IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS

FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT

No. 10-60925

ALLAN GUILLERMO RAMOS-GARCIA,

Petitioner

v.

ERIC H. HOLDER, JR., U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL,

Respondent

Petitions for Review of an Order of the

Board of Immigration Appeals

(A039 029 122)

Before KING, HIGGINBOTHAM, and HAYNES, Circuit Judges.

PER CURIAM:*

Allan Guillermo Ramos-Garcia, a permanent resident ofthe UnitedStates,

was ordered removed to his native country of Honduras as a consequence of his

2002 conviction for indecent behavior with juveniles. He challenges the Board

of Immigration Appeals’s decision on the grounds that his conviction was not for

a removable offense, that the Board abused its discretion by denying his motion

for reconsideration, and that his military service makes him a national of the

United States Court of Appeals

Fifth Circuit

F I L E D

August 6, 2012

Lyle W. Cayce

Clerk

Pursuant to 5TH CIR. R. 47.5, the court has determined that this opinion should not *

be published and is not precedent except under the limited circumstances set forth in 5TH CIR.

R. 47.5.4.

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United States. For the reasons below, we deny Ramos’s consolidated petitions

for review.

I. 

Petitioner Allan Guillermo Ramos-Garcia (Ramos), a native and citizen of

Honduras, was admitted to the United States in August 1985 as a lawful

permanent resident. In 2002 Ramos pled guilty to indecent behavior with

juveniles, in violation of La. Rev. Stat. 14:81. Specifically, he was charged with

“wilfully, unlawfully, knowingly and intentionally commit[ting] lewd or

lascivious acts upon...or in the presence of a juvenile [ages 13 and 15]...with the

intention of arousing or gratifying the sexual desires of either person, in

violation of the provisions of R.S. 14:81.” He received a suspended three year

sentence and five years probation, which he successfully completed in 2007.

On July 1, 2009 the Department of Homeland Security served Ramos with

a Notice to Appear, charging he was subject to removal from the United States

as a result of his 2002 conviction. Through counsel, Ramos admitted to the

factual allegations contained in the notice. He also conceded the charge of

removability at a hearing before an Immigration Judge (IJ). The IJ entered an

order of removal to Ramos’s native country of Honduras. Ramos appealed to the

Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA), claiming the conduct proscribed by La.

Rev. Stat. 14:81 does not constitute sexual abuse of a minor, and therefore is not

an aggravated felony subjecting him to deportation. Because Ramos had

previously conceded his conviction subjected him to deportation, the BIA

concluded he was foreclosed from arguing otherwise and dismissed the appeal.

Ramos filed two motions to reconsider. He reiterated his argument that

his conviction under La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 was not for an aggravated felony, and

claimed ineffective assistance of counsel prevented him from reasonably

presenting his case during his removal hearing before the IJ. He also claimed

he could not be removed from the United States because his military service

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made him a national. The BIA rejected Ramos’s second contention. It

concluded, however, that he had substantially satisfied the requirements for a

claim of ineffective assistance by showing he was prejudiced by his counsel’s

concession of removability. The case was remanded to the IJ.

On remand, Ramos again argued the conduct proscribed by La. Rev. Stat.

14:81 does not constitute sexual abuse of a minor. The IJ disagreed, as did the

BIA on appeal. The BIA also denied Ramos’s motion for reconsideration on the

grounds that he failed to identify any error of fact or law in its decision that

would have altered the outcome of the appeal. Ramos timely filed two petitions

for review with this court.

II. 

Although a Court of Appeals generally does not have jurisdiction to review

“any final order of removal against an alien who is removable by reasons of

having committed” an aggravated felony, we do have jurisdiction to review 1

“constitutional claims or questions of law raised upon a petition for review,” such

as whether a prior conviction qualifies as an aggravated felony. In making this 2

determination, we give substantial deference to the BIA’s interpretation of the

INA, but “review de novo whether the particular statute that the prior conviction

is under falls within” the INA’s definition of aggravated felony. If it does, we do 3

not have jurisdiction to review the removal decision. This court may only 4

 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(C). 1

8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(D); see also Larin-Ulloa v. Gonzales, 462 F.3d 456, 460-61, 461 2

n. 6 (5th Cir. 2006).

Martinez v. Mukasey, 519 F.3d 532, 538 (5th Cir. 2008) (quoting Omari v. Gonzales,

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419 F.3d 303, 306 (5th Cir. 2005)); see also Nolos v. Holder, 611 F.3d 279, 281 (5th Cir. 2010)

(“While we owe deference to the BIA’s interpretation of the INA under the principles of

Chevron..., our review of the legal questions posed here is de novo.”)

Martinez, 519 F.3d at 538.

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review the decision of the BIA, though it will also review the ruling of the IJ

where it affected the BIA’s decision.5

III.

Ramos first argues that a violation of La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 is not

necessarily an aggravated felony for which an alien may be deported. Because

we conclude that his violation of the statute constituted sexual abuse of a minor

under § 1101(a)(43) and thus was an aggravated felony under the INA, Ramos

is not entitled to relief on this point.

Under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii), “[a]ny alien who is convicted of an

aggravated felony at any time after admission is deportable.” Crimes qualifying

as aggravated felonies are listed under § 1101, and include “murder, rape, or

sexual abuse of a minor.” Ramos pled guilty to violating La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 in 6

2002. The record of conviction does not provide any information about the

specific conduct with which Ramos was charged beyond identifying the victims’

ages. At the time of Ramos’s conviction La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 criminalized

indecent behavior with juveniles, meaning

the commission of any lewd or lascivious act upon the

person or in the presence of any child under the age of

seventeen, where there is an age difference of greater

than two years between the persons, with the intention

of arousing or gratifying the sexual desires of either

person. Lack of knowledge of the child’s age shall not

be a defense.7

To determine whether a guilty plea conviction is an aggravated felony for

removal purposes, we apply a “categorical approach” under Taylor v. United

Zhu v. Gonzales, 493 F.3d 588, 593 (5th Cir. 2007).

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 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(A). 6

La. Rev. Stat. 14:81(A) (2002). In 2006 this portion of the statute was moved to 7

Subsection (A)(1). See La. Rev. Stat. 14:81(A)(1) (2007).

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States. Under this approach, we consider whether the statutory elements of the 8

offense and the minimum conduct necessary for conviction qualify as sexual

abuse of a minor. The underlying facts of the particular conviction are

irrelevant. If the statute of conviction defines multiple offenses, at least one of 9

which is not an aggravated felony, we apply a “modified categorical approach.” 

This requires us to consider the conviction court’s record to determine if the

guilty plea necessarily met the criteria for an aggravated felony. Because the 10

INA does not specifically define the enumerated § 1101(a)(43) offense of “sexual

abuse of a minor,” we use its “generic, contemporary meaning and should rely

on a uniform definition regardless of the labels employed by the various States’

criminal codes.”11

In determining what constitutes sexual abuse of a minor, the BIA

considers 18 U.S.C. § 3509(a)(8), which states that “‘sexual abuse’ includes the

employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement, or coercion of a child to

engage in, or assist another person to engage in, sexually explicit conduct or the

rape, molestation, prostitution, or other form of sexual exploitation of children.” 

The BIA has explained, as it did in its decision below, that this is a “useful

identification of...those crimes that can reasonably be considered sexual abuse

of a minor.” It has also emphasized, however, that “[w]e are not adopting [§ 12

3509(a)(8)] as a definitive standard or definition but invoke it as a guide in

 495 U.S. 575 (1990). 8

See United States v. Ramos-Sanchez, 483 F.3d 400, 402 (5th Cir. 2007). 

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Larin-Ulloa, 462 F.3d at 464 (citing Shepard v. United States, 544 U.S. 13, 20-21

10

(2005)).

See United States v. Dominguez-Ocha, 386 F.3d 639, 642-43 (5th Cir. 2004) (internal

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quotation marks and citations omitted) (citing Taylor, 495 U.S. at 592, 598).

In re Rodriguez-Rodriguez, 22 I. & N. Dec. 991, 995-96 (BIA 1999).

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identifying the types of crimes we would consider to be sexual abuse of a

minor.”13

In addition to the guidance provided by § 3509(a)(8), we can look to the

many cases in which this circuit has defined the generic crime of “sexual abuse

of a minor” under § 1101(a)(43). We have explained that “the structure of §

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1101(a)(43) counsels against applying a narrow reading of the phrase” sexual

abuse of a minor. Congress grouped this offense with the generic terms 15

“murder” and “rape” and, unlike other offenses listed in § 1101(a)(43), did not

expressly limit the meaning of “sexual abuse of a minor,” or define it “by

expressly referencing other provisions of the United States Code, as it did in

several other parts of § 1101(a)(43),” all of which “strongly suggests an intent to

give a broad meaning” to the term.16

“Sexual abuse of a minor” under § 1101(a)(43) contains three elements: “(1)

the conduct must involve a ‘child’; (2) the conduct must be ‘sexual’ in nature; and

(3) the sexual conduct must be ‘abusive.’” The children involved in this case, 17

ages thirteen and fifteen, were clearly minors. An act is sexual if it is “[o]f, 18

pertaining to, affecting, or characteristic of sex, the sexes, or the sex organs and

their functions,” and includes any act whose purpose is “sexual arousal or

Id. at 996.

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Most of the cases discussing the definition of “sexual abuse of a minor” under §

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1101(a)(43) do so in a sentencing rather than an immigration context. Ramos presents no

reason, and we find none, why those cases are not applicable here for purposes of determining

the generic meaning of “sexual abuse of a minor” under the same statutory provision. See

United States v. Najera-Najera, 519 F.3d 509, 512 n. 2 (5th Cir. 2008).

United States v. Zavala-Sustaita, 214 F.3d 601, 605 (5th Cir. 2000). 15

Id. at 605-07. 16

United States v. Esparza-Andrade, 418 Fed. Appx. 356, 358 (5th Cir. 2011) (per 17

curiam) (unpublished) (citing Najera-Najera, 519 F.3d at 511).

See Zavala-Sustaita, 214 F.3d at 604 (internal quotation marks omitted).

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gratification.” Abusive conduct is similarly broadly defined. Abuse means “to 19

use wrongly or improperly or to hurt or injure by maltreatment.” A sexual act 20

does not require physical contact with a minor to be abusive, since psychological

harm may occur even without such contact. Furthermore, “we have established 21

a per se rule that gratifying or arousing one’s sexual desires in the presence of

a child is abusive because it involves taking undue or unfair advantage of the

minor.” We have therefore held that sexually suggestive contact with or in the 22

presence of a minor is sexual abuse.23

Ramos’s conviction involved all three of these elements, and therefore was

“sexual abuse of a minor.” The statute requires that the conduct involve a

person “under the age of seventeen,” and Ramos specifically pled guilty to a

charge involving a thirteen and a fifteen year old. It also requires a sexual act, 24

since the defendant must commit a “lewd or lascivious act...with the intention

Id. (modification in original) (quoting AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY 1124 (2d 19

College ed. 1982)); see also United States v. Izaguirre-Flores, 405 F.3d 270, 275 (5th Cir. 2005)

(“Webster’s Third New International Dictionary defines ‘sexual’ as ‘of, relating to, or associated

with sex as a characteristic of an organic being.’ It is therefore clear that a [N.C. Gen. Stat.]

Section 14-202.1(a)(1) violation is sexual because it must have sexual gratification as its

purpose.”) (footnotes omitted); United States v. Diaz-Ibarra, 522 F.3d 343, 349 (4th Cir. 2008)

(finding that the common meaning of sexual is “of or relating to the sphere of behavior

associated with libidinal gratification.”); Bahar v. Ashcroft, 264 F.3d 1309, 1312 (11th Cir.

2001) (“[T]he word ‘sexual’ in the phrase ‘sexual abuse of a minor’ indicates that perpetrator’s

intent in committing the abuse is to seek libidinal gratification.”)

Zavala-Sustaita, 214 F.3d at 604 (internal modifications and quotation marks 20

omitted) (quoting AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY 70 (2d College ed. 1982)).

Id. at 604, 605; see also Diaz-Ibarra, 522 F.3d at 349-50. 21

United States v. Acosta, 401 Fed. Appx. 972, 973 (5th Cir. 2010) (internal

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modifications and quotation marks omitted).

United States v. Balderas-Rubio, 499 F.3d 470, 473 (5th Cir. 2007); see also Izaguirre- 23

Flores, 405 F.3d at 275-76 (“Gratifying or arousing one’s sexual desires in the actual or

constructive presence of a child is sexual abuse of a minor.”) 

 La. Rev. Stat. 14:81. 24

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of arousing or gratifying the sexual desires of either person.” Under Louisiana 25

law, lewd and lascivious conduct means an act “which is lustful, obscene,

indecent, tending to deprave the morals in respect to sexual relations, and

relating to sexual impurity or incontinence carried on in a wanton manner.”26

The statute also requires that the act be committed with “the intention of

arousing or gratifying the sexual desires” of the defendant or the minor.27

Finally, the sexual act must be done to the minor’s person, or in the minor’s

presence, both of which constitute abusive conduct under § 1101(a)(43). For 28

these reasons, Ramos’s violation of La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 constitutes sexual abuse

of a minor under § 1101(a)(43). 

29

Ramos challenges this conclusion with several arguments, none of which

are availing. He contends that “[s]exual abuse of a minor requires sexual

conduct performed against a minor by an adult,” and therefore that sexual

actions in the presence of a minor but not against the minor’s person cannot

constitute an aggravated felony. As discussed above, however, we have

Id. 25

State v. Interiano, 868 So.2d 9, 15 (La. 2004) (quoting State v. Holstead, 354 So.2d 26

493, 497-98 (La. 1977)); see also Acosta, 401 Fed. Appx. at 973 (holding that lewd and

lascivious actions are inherently sexual).

La. Rev. Stat. 14:81; see also State v. Borden, 986 So.2d 158, 167 (La. App. 5 Cir. 27

2008) (“Indecent behavior with a juvenile is a specific intent crime for which the State must

prove the offender’s intent to arouse or gratify his sexual desires....”)

La. Rev. Stat. 14:81; Balderas-Rubio, 499 F.3d at 473; Izaguirre-Flores, 405 F.3d at 28

275-76. 

We note that La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 closely resembles Section 800.04(3) (1987) of the 29

Florida Code, which provides for the conviction of “[a]ny person who...[k]nowingly commits any

lewd or lascivious act in the presence of any child under the age of 16 years without

committing the crime of sexual battery.” The Eleventh Circuit held in United States v.

Padilla-Reyes, 247 F.3d 1158 (11th Cir. 2001) that a violation of this statute constitutes sexual

abuse of a minor under § 1101(a)(43). Like the Florida statute, the Louisiana statute does not

require the child be “a stimulus for the sexual display,” since the child may be harmed by the

display even if it was not motivated by the child’s presence. See Interiano, 868 So.2d at 16.

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repeatedly held that sexual abuse may occur when a sexual act is performed in

the presence of a minor. Ramos also claims that La. Rev. Stat. 14:81's 30

prohibition against “lewd and lascivious conduct” criminalizes acts such as

kissing that could not constitute sexual abuse of a minor under federal law.31

Even if we were to accept Ramos’s contention that kissing alone is not sufficient

to constitute sexual abuse of a minor under § 1101(a)(43), his argument would

fail. The Supreme Court has held that

to find that a state statute creates a crime outside the

generic definition of a listed crime in a federal statute

requires more than the application of legal imagination

to a state statute’s language. It requires a realistic

probability, not a theoretical possibility, that the State

would apply its statute to conduct that falls outside the

generic definition of a crime. To show that realistic

probability, an offender, of course, may show that the

statute was so applied in his own case. But he must at

least point to his own case or other cases in which the

state courts in fact did apply the statute in the special

(nongeneric) manner for which he argues.32

Ramos identifies no case in which La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 has been used to

prosecute a defendant solely for kissing a minor, or for kissing another person

See, e.g., United States v. Balderas-Rubio, 499 F.3d at 473; Izaguirre-Flores, 405 F.3d 30

at 275-76; Zavala-Sustaita, 214 F.3d at 605; see also Diaz-Ibarra, 522 F.3d at 350 (“[O]nce a

defendant misuses the minor with the intent to achieve sexual gratification, the act of abuse

is complete, irrespective of whether the minor suffered some physical or psychological injury.”)

(citing United States v. Baron-Medina, 187 F.3d 1144, 1147 (9th Cir. 1999); Padilla-Reytes, 247

F.3d at 1163)).

Ramos relies on James v. Mukasey, 522 F.3d 250, 258 (2d Cir. 2008), which concluded

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that kissing could not constitute sexual abuse of a minor. The Second Circuit based this on

its interpretation of 18 U.S.C. § 3509(a)’s definition of sexual abuse. Although the BIA looks

at § 3509(a) for guidance in defining sexual abuse of a minor, it has not adopted that definition

as a “definitive standard.” See Rodriguez, 22 I. & N. Dec. 991, 996.

Gonzales v. Duenas-Alvarez, 549 U.S. 183, 193 (2007). 32

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in the presence of a minor. He therefore has not identified a reasonable 33

probability that the statute would be applied in this manner.

Ramos also contends a defendant could be convicted under La. Rev. Stat.

14:81 merely for committing a lewd and lascivious action within a child’s

physical proximity. The Louisiana Supreme Court held in State v. Interiano,

however, that a defendant only violates 14:81 if he knowingly commits “a sexual

act such that the child sees or senses that a sexual act is taking place.” We 34

have held that this suffices to constitute sexual abuse of a minor under §

1101(a)(43). Ramos objects to any reliance on the reasoning of Interiano on the 35

basis that it was decided two years after his conviction. This argument is

unpersuasive. Once again, Ramos has identified no case in which a state court

ever applied the statute in this broad and theoretical manner. He therefore has

not shown a reasonable probability that the statute creates a crime outside the

generic definition of sexual abuse of a minor.36

Finally, Ramos urges us to adopt the more narrow definition of “sexual

abuse of a minor” contained in 18 U.S.C. § 2243. We have previously rejected

 Ramos relies on State v. Anderson, 38 So.3d 953 (La. App. 5 Cir. 2010) and State v. 33

Rollins, 581 So.2d 379 (La. App. 4 Cir. 1991). Both of these cases involved more than just

kissing. The defendant in Anderson was prosecuted based on a minor’s claim that they

repeatedly french kissed in a parking lot for hours at a time and discussed the minor’s sexual

experiences. The court noted that cases of indecent behavior with a juvenile in which kissing

had occurred uniformly involved more than just kissing, that the defendant’s behavior had

been repeated numerous times, and that the surrounding circumstances indicated “the

defendant intended to arouse or gratify” sexual desires through his actions. See 38 So.3d at

958-59 (citing State v. Louviere, 602 So.2d 1042, 1044 (La. App. 4 Cir. 1992)). In Rollins,

minors claimed not only that the defendant kissed them, but also that he rubbed their bodies,

forced them to sit on his lap while he moved up and down, and rubbed their bodies down the

front of his own body. See 581 So.2d at 382-83.

Interiano, 868 So.2d at 16. 34

See Zavala-Sustaita, 214 F.3d at 604 (holding that sexual abuse of a minor occurs 35

when a defendant commits a sexual act “with knowledge of the child’s presence.”)

See Duenas-Alvarez, 549 U.S. at 193.

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the claim that “sexual abuse of a minor” must be defined by reference to § 2243. 

Congress chose not to expressly reference § 2243 in § 1101(a)(43), indicating its

intent not to incorporate that section’s definition of sexual abuse into §

1101(a)(43). Ramos gives us no reason to find otherwise here. 37

Because Ramos’s conviction under La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 constitutes “sexual

abuse of a minor” under § 1101(a)(43) and therefore is an aggravated felony for

removal purposes, we do not have jurisdiction to review the removal order.38

Ramos’s petition for review on this issue is denied.

IV.

Ramos next claims the BIA erred by denying his motion for

reconsideration. “We review the denial of a motion to reconsider for abuse of

discretion.” Such a motion may be granted if the petitioner identifies “a change 39

in the law, a misapplication of the law, or an aspect of the case that the BIA

overlooked.” In his motion to reconsider, Ramos reiterated the same 40

arguments he had previously made before the Board, and which we rejected

above. On appeal, he also contends the Board erred because it focused on the

legislative intent behind La. Rev. Stat. 14:81 instead of on the essential elements

of the offense. This second argument was not made in Ramos’s motion to

reconsider and is therefore an unexhausted claim of error that we lack

jurisdiction to review. Even if we agreed with Ramos, however, any alleged

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errors were harmless because the BIA properly concluded that Ramos is subject

Zavala-Sustaita, 214 F.3d at 607 n. 8. 37

Martinez, 519 F.3d at 538.

38

Zhao v. Gonzales, 404 F.3d 295, 301 (5th Cir. 2005).

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Id. (citing Pierre v. INS, 932 F.2d 418, 422 (5th Cir. 1991)); 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(c)(6)(C);

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8 C.F.R. § 1003.2(b)(1). 

See Omari v. Holder, 562 F.3d 314, 320 (5th Cir. 2009); 8 U.S.C. § 1252(d).

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to deportation based on his 2002 conviction. His petition for review on this issue

is therefore denied.

V. 

Finally, Ramos contends he is not subject to removal because he is a

national of the United States.

A national of the United States is not subject to deportation for having

committed an aggravated felony. Whether a petitioner is a national is a purely

legal issue that this court decides de novo, so long as there is no genuine issue

of material fact regarding the petitioner’s nationality claim. There are two 42

ways in which a person may become a national: “by birth or by completing the

naturalization process.”43

Ramos does not allege or present evidence showing that he is a national

by birth or that he has completed the naturalization process. His only claim is

that his service in the United States Army and Louisiana National Guard from

1987 to 1994, and the oath of allegiance he took in connection with that service,

make him a national. This Court, like several of our sister circuits, has rejected

the argument that military service and the taking of the oath of allegiance make

a person a national of the United States. Ramos gives us no reason to reach a

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different conclusion here, and his petition for review on this issue is denied.

VI. 

For the foregoing reasons, we deny Ramos’s petitions for review.

 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(5); Alwan v. Ashcroft, 388 F.3d 507, 510 (5th Cir. 2004).

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Omolo v. Gonzales, 452 F.3d 404, 408-09 (5th Cir. 2006). 43

Warmington v. Keisler, 254 Fed. Appx. 287, 289 (5th Cir. 2007) (per curiam)

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(unpublished) (“Service in the armed forces of the United States and taking the standard

military oath does not make a person a national.”); see also Dragenice v. Gonzales, 470 F.3d

183, 188-89 (4th Cir. 2006); Marquez-Almanzar v. INS, 418 F.3d 210, 218-19 (2d Cir. 2005);

Reyes-Alcarez v. Ashcroft, 363 F.3d 937, 940 (9th Cir. 2004).

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