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March 27, 1972

MEMORANDUM FOR DR.. McLUCAS

SUBJECT: Humphrey Remarks

Senator Humphrey again has publicly mentioned

reconnaissance satellites, this time in connection

with the Space Shuttle. The letter to the right

requests Mr. Helms' good offices in pointing out

to Mr. Humphrey the adverse impact of his public

statements. It is recommended that you sign the

memorandum to the right.

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MR. DO}:RLDSON: Melc=s to I3 •V. •'.1 =mina, sz„...to.r.

Senator Muskio yeaterney in Mc:en g in aq:trecsd you dtut...r.:.

ly as the man hs raid WWI using political expediency in takini;

positions and da:Lded your positions on tha epee* eauttle,

the IBM, and the Lockhtad lean, he said you volre a promisu-r iday candidate who was :refusing to Z AC4 the hard choicas.

Do you plead at least a little bit guxltr:

SPRATMa RUMMY: Sot 1004. Not oas bit guilty.

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I would avoid discussion of personalitlos t that I would.

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I ramenbar and recall awn I entered thd primaries I had

less than what I would have likod in the rating of public

opinion. I have followed the course of action I have outlined,

a frank dismal:ion of Was Usual: of the day without indulging

in attacks upon ny fello • Democrats whom I respact.

After all, r salected Ed Nuskia asny vice-presideitial

running mate and I think highly of him. I believe this

course of action that I purstcd has baan what the people want.

I thinh rumple orn tired n! any kind of personal attack and

I want to also Swap in and that we have an election in

Revszbax and the political opponent that I see is not my fellow

Dinocrats but Mk. Nixon.

MR. DMIALDSCE: It wnn not particularly a personal

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Is that unfair in a Denceratic primary where Ht. Nixon is

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Octebar and N •voct• , and that is why T. have baan omowadingly

careful. I haven't basiettod to addrasa sisal/ to the issues.

?or example, 2 happan to ballcve that lobe are important and

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when I voted for a guurantaa of a loan to Lockheed I did

it for jobs and it prodneod 12.003 jobs it Lockhuad that

wouldn't have bean there, and I think the vex:kers appreciate

that voto. There has bean no moray from the governmant.

12,000 people want off unemployeant compansatiOn. 12,000

people are paying taxes. 12,000 more paopls are earning

income. I think that vas a protty good ate. I also have

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to say that, on the AEg, thmt I have Casa sns of tho op anof the antiballistic missals systce. I also was :Ins

that advocated no deployment of tha MIRV because I felt

that was a dangerous escalation of the arms aeon. I didn't gat

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are negotiating with the Russians. I felt that . I **cold

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against the ABM, and yat said that the two ABU missile siecs

that they had approved prior should be cantinusid simply as i

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bargaining tool when we sit down with the Russians. I don't

believe you can bargain with the Russians iron nothing.

MR.1DONALOS012 May I as just ono moro guostioa in

this series about the space shuttle? I gather from what

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MR. GILL: Senator, hnother issue you were very

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Senator Muskie says he is com plaining a bit that you come-out

for the spaco . shuttle in Florida, which is vary important. but

you don't talk such about it in Wisconsin, where perhaps

other prioritise are important.

ORM= =OHM: Yesterday I spoke considerably about

the wboia space proem', including the' space shuttle. I caret

back away from it a bit. It is solid economy. It is jobs.

It is economic advancseant, it is scientific advancemeit. It

represents real econsey in the apace program.

Fora:temple, this space shuttle will make possible the

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tians satellite. it can actual :1.7 aava our space program over IS

the mint tan-tualve y2ers, millions, hundreds of millions,

rye billions of dollars rather than having to destroy a

cummuniuctions satellite that no longer works.

A space shuttle will permit you to repair it. I would

join on the space ebottle in Floridaa was chairman of the Spec

COnnoil for fotr yOcra. 1 :sow the S'ace ftogram. Maybe I knmw

it a little bit better than some el my opponents.

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busing. I thought he ::vita it wry clear that ho was

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La Congress and you gat a ruling from the court, but you have i

severwly criticised him for that uhi/e inaicattmg some type o..

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iS • SENATOR 10.1/1032Y: Well, let's just gat the cwplicatsd

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7 moratorium, no Presidont can withhold th..1 action of tha

courts.

'I seriously doubt its constitutionzlity and think that

it is most likely unconstitutional.

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balance by busing7 That is not what uPdarstcco 4 n tha

is background briefings and what latar was brought out by tha

14 President, and you did indionta that you vare guastIcning tha :

timing of the moratorium, so again X will ark you, uou/d you

support a moratorium until ths issue i3 rattler' either in

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sonny not bo be additional mowy, but merely the shifting of

funds in progcans pram:May pal:ding in the Congroes.

NU. DONALDSON: There are place's wharo the courts .

have said: Busing is the bast way to try to break down the

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110 have it all over America. The coneolidsted school syates

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many people do. I think 7cs • Amamicans ara far-min:sad:

they'd like to sue a chi.ld hays a bettor *duct:Um:a opportunity and an intagratad educatioanl opportunity frail: busing

from a poor 'school to a geed schmol. How, that is 'what the

court has suggested and that is . what I a du:matins.

MR. DOKAINDISCHIt As I undarstand it, bsgInning with Brown

vs. the Board of Education, the Leona was not quality

education, although I think all of us can assnms that is

the goal.

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what school was good or bad if it was docepasvtod bocause of

the de lure situation it was Label-aptly unfair and rust be

corrected so, without regard to whether the school is good

or bad, will you continue a very strong drive to include

the use of busing go break down segregation?

MAWR IMTBREY: I would inSsed, and nay I say do

care segregation is by . law.' That is unconstituiicnal. Da

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SXNATOR BUNPRREY: And that is a kind ofenew kind of

segregation. Pconoeic segragation, social segregation. I

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NR. GILL: Sonata: Numpbray, big lztor, Oecrsv. Menny,

and the President, soma to ba nmu at define :a odes.

• Hr. Meany has taken the Alol•-CIO, as you tamo, of of the

Pay Soa:d. With all that you .knov about the economy of the

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1 SENATOR NUNPHREY: I can surely ondarstand the move

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if . later, but for people all across this country.

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ti 1, indications There have baan seven thouenne applications for

ri I price incroasos, and only 107 have bean denied, and five have 1

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'bare are just hundreds and hundreds of cases. Let me "

give you anoth3r one. The ITT, ' Im have heard.a lot about that.

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increases in 26 different cubsidiaries and diffarant items and;

all 25 uers grantad; up as high an 14.9, about 15 pax cent. .-

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had karats increase of 35 par cant. 0 •,arall coaporate

profits hove gone up about 19 par cont. Ina huncred of the

larnutt corporatLons have voila up 75 pov:cena.

Now, the pimple in this counLry who ewpocted tb have an

anti-inflation persgrnm when their wages ware had dcra,

whether they were organits3d or not -- a school tocci-s3r, 90ms-

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body working in a shop o. a filling atatixa those wages

have been frozen and over hora on the other sins is this Prima

Commission that has let these prices get totally out of hano.

Mr.'Neany didn't speak just !or organise° labor: ha

spoke for millions ano millions of hovaowtans in thAs country

that know that prices ars going up and kn, •w that :be iirlfUtfmn

program is not working, that know they ars Wag tahon at the

same time that their husbands coming hams with tits paychsch' or

a woman working in an office cr a factory coin hona win that

paycheck finds that it won't mast .the bills. Paw, that is what

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the motives than of tha Mminirtratinn end the Pre:ticket.

would dcdum f_ at that that you acre .saylug the effort

as established ani operating is nothing but a political

facade but at the sama time their answer is that the

prico of food is the greatest offendarin this, with the

neat picas, tha fresh produce. Sou would you answer that?

SENATOR DUMMY: First, Mr. Nixon said it was all the

workers' fault that 40 had inflation. Than he got around

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faraors' fault. NOw h.: says it is the middleman's

Mayba the Pro3i6ant shnuld really take a led and see

whose rault it is. zee acid that 11r. Meany had walked

off the lob on the figLt on inflation. I charge that Mr.

Nixon has walUeg off the f,ob three and a half years ago.

There is no anti-inflation program in this country.

Interest ratan, bank profits, corporate profits.have

gone u fantsmtical/y. Prices have gone up.

The conncrer has not bare' protected. Hr. Nixon's antiinflation program just doesn't work, and it hasn't worked,

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suggect that the AdoenUtration go get a big mirror and take

a look in it and sae whose trouble it really is.

May have co program.

NR. DONALDSON: If it hasn't worked, let's make you
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he isn't doing?

SEHLTOR Valle if you =04 could you 1.12=10

me that we would have Ca-A nuccesu =me m= cn the first

part, of being Pres•.6ant7

HR. DONALDSOU: tats noutrel.

• MAWR HUMPHRET: V111, don't 'Ja.

What in muted is enforctment.

What is needed is 4:1 ovon-hazdtd policy. W%at in :weds!

is just simply fairn4ss. If you are coins to ack

workers -- ca I is rot. just talkfc.7o f orsarirc4 I:cm:zero.

I em talking of a, school tvechsr, I m telti•a about it

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people carom: this couttry who ara livin5 on fixed imxwas.

I to talking abcut the eldse.:7 uho are really 'etc victims

of inflation, almost noro that' cnyho4y else, becaur.:a of their

fixed iv-comes. I cm sayin7 that- if you ire going to have

if you are going to have wags co trol, than you have got

to have price control, and you cannot have it just lackadaisicalf wilh 45 percent of your rental unit not

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RR. DONALDSOU: Should we cover them?

8311ATOR 1=1211Ms i thine if you are gnus to

have wags control, you have'got to have even-handed

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giant inLereatn of the country, and let . ce say-this

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in behalf of the super. rich, the large corporate structures

of this country and the price fixers of this country.

to MR. DONALDSON: Mille should vs ncx put controls

St on unprocessed fern p=oducts?

12 MAT= UUMPHITCf: %I don't need to Co that. Ue

is didn't even do it in World Mar II. tb didn't it

Ls in the Xoraan war. Form prices have guns up on the average

of six percent in the last 20 years. Wholesale food

prices have gone up 19 percent. -Retail food prices

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le entire. cost of food is at the middlixan level. Only 33 perean4

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a total investigation orthe entire anti-inflation program

and'I have called for it because

I consider it to be a hoax and a ahem aad it is working

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Ibt. DONALDSON: You don't think that it use a rt1:1.e rr

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MAYOR 1SDIPRNEY: Not one thing. Listen, the laLor

people wero promised when they e came on the bear:: they would

have a fair shake, and they haven't gotten iu.

106 SILL: You have long had the support o; =swami I

labor, Senator Humphrey. Labor now appears to to in their oln:

public statements hesitant, with some exceptioaa -- some 1

important exceptions -- to give you the endorseuant that we

might have expected for a abort Sumphrey from orgaaisef

labor. That encouragenlent'ao yoll have that you are

Wing to be able to persuade these that you can mein this

in order to get their andocsasent before this con7ontion7

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it and it is coming. The International, the Executive

Council, the 71710-CIO didn't try to pinpoint or earmnrk

one candidata. There are a number of good •

candidates in the Democratic party, and many of this have

records with orgttinsd ai.d I think this proves

again that the labor movemont is attcroting to be fair

and not to dominate the political scene in the Democratic.

Party. Out I will tell you vhct has bean happaning.

In Penasylvalia when i net with the APL-CIO representatives,

I got 04 pornent of the vats is the straw' ballot, secret

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ballot. In TONCS. I got es-1/2. At a recent meeting

of threa /tans in the Chiang° area -- Wicaonsine

Ohio and Illinois Viaccnaing• Michigan and

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Illinois -- I received f' SO percent out of all of

the Domocratic candidates. So I.nm earning it and by the

way I think I ougtt to have to go out and earn it and

I am gaining it, eo I an vary plersid.

MR. DONALDSOU: May I move ahead to the problem of George

Wallace in Wisconsin, and nationally the Democratic ..

Party. Soma of your cop.eaypesi.wiCo are running for the

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to mind and Mayor Lindsaye •have criticised, Mr. Wallace very

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S is to take Mr. Whllens on on the imams, and I vill anntinue

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• ?lariat. I have taken hi:: on oa the issues of taxes,

I have tecen him or cm the issues of education, I

have tesen his on on the issues does ho really repraeont

the little gny, and the answer is he doss not, and

can doeweat the case, and I coutiuu'a to do it. I don't thin!:

personal vaificatioa is going to help. r think it makes

a martyr oat of him, rathar than to weaken his chances.

Cklananetr.ants)

AR. 0010LOSOU: soing to ask you vhat I adst.t is a

locdea cusstion. You have just told us that you think

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Isn't that what gives rise to these complaints that you real

in he public press about you these days that it Las

political expeditncy that is guiding, your campaign, rather

than principle?

exam,. ntraeuRsy: Set a bit, Mr. Donaldson. Let ma

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Wow, Oa pale show you oat front. Can ritu toll ma erectly

how important you think it is? To chat extant mill the

rosults of thLt Wisconsin primary actually determine th*

Democratic manes for 7residant7

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as you have said, it appaars now According to what some of

you say that I as out front. It would be nice if I could

say that I won thtt it was tho make-or-break, but I doubt

that. I thhk other candidates will go on and will be vary

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fres a win is really vary, vary'helpfol to you. But each

primary is a battla unto itself. Frey Wisconsin we go into

PennsylviAnin and Ohio, into aichigan, and vs have to fight

it out cno at a tima.

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removed, then Hr. Xleindienst ought not to be Attornay Gamma/

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SRXRPOR RUWEREY: Only if all the allegatiena whish have

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ono who has ton anything asico from OovornorIallaca. He said

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anything. We have picked up a few delegates dot in Fleriet,

which was my first effort, an3 he picked up none. Ana that

is when we wars* in thoL ootteat ivuether. It is =the= difficult to compare hre wo do if we don't meet in a contest.

Row we are in a second context in Wisconsin. I think

I am the one progressive Ds=oczat that can deisat George

Wallace in these primaries. I think I am the one progrossive

Democrat that can defaet Mt. Nixon. I received 32 million

votes in"my last eftert against him. It won't take many

more to defeat him.

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Dewaornt." Gho aro th: *unprogressive Democrats" who are

running tcm against Governor Wallace?

CZWATOR BUEPPAEY: I didn't try to say othars ware not.

I said I think I sm the one progiessive Democrat that can defeat nr. Wallace and can de2aat Mr. Nixon. I have a good track

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112.20/MLOSOE: Some pacple think the word 'progressive'

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