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suss= Memo for Record - Telephone Call from Gen Schriever 6 Au t 1960

to General Ritland 'r

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General Schriever asked if General Ritland.had thought any more

on the matter of how General Greer fits into the picture. General Ritland

stated that he had worked on it in considerable detail and felt that we

might press for the development force approach and establish a division

feir security surveillance -- in fact, that the name Security Surveillance 23 •

Division might be considered and such a division might encompass the

majority of people and effort being done right now at AFBMD under the

channels stated in past discussions. By doing this, General Greer would

have division status -- the same staff and same support functions will

apply. General Ritland stated that we may not want to present it this

way exactly but by putting him on an equal level, it goes back to the

original organization General Schriever looked at. He further stated

that many versions were considered and it was generally concluded that

if this is not possible, the next choice would be a Vice Commander for --

which would probably do from a command control point of view. This

would mean the same staff would be performing it for two divisions,

giving them an operational entity. General Ritland stated he considered

it mandatory that General Greer have direct control over the test wing

at Pala Alto since he will be deeply rooted in this and as such, should be

a Commander. The test wing could be placed directly under his operational control and later on as it goes down the line and grows and expands,

all space systems could be put under him. This means you take what we

have now and elevate it in stature. General Schriever questioned whether

the new organization would have a "force" title -- Western Development

Force, perhaps.

General Ritland explained that he went through the whole thing from

the DOD on down looking at the narre s, designation, and AF structure by

name and felt that things have changed quite rapidly -- the term "air" has

become quite obsolete and is semi-dated. He felt that the term R&D

must be in the title and, furthermore, with the applied research projects,

we should probably have this term in there too. He stated you about run

out of names after you consider "command," "division, " "center, " and

"force." Then, of course, you need a prefix to that -- aerospace,

ballistic missile and space, or just plain space research and development

force.
General Ritland pointed out that he would not want to present this

now, but that when we make a move now, we should use a long term

objective. He feels that U the title "Special Assistant for Space Security

Surveillance" is used, it will have a connotation that it may end after a

certain length of time. By using an all-encompassing name, on the other

h and, it could be divided up into earth surveillance, space surveillance ,

etc. , and it would not be unreasonable to consider the term moon

surveillance. With respect to the organization chart, General Ritland

feels it is extremely important that General Greessnarne be in the top

command box. General Greer has said that a lot of people are saying

that this would be supported by AFBMD but not subordinate to -- namely,

General Ritland and General Greer could run on the same level. Another

suggestion would be to make General Greer deputy commander to General

Schriever with this title and with the support of AFBMD. General Ritland

feels that any of these would work effectively -- the command line being

to General Schriever. General Schriever didn't consider this a very good

idea.

General Ritland stated it looks like we are working toward five

divisions. Taking all of these versions here, he would like to consider

putting this office into a special project since he feels it falls very neatly

into a long-range plan. General Schriever said it might make some sense

to make the present AFBMD a "force" having under it the AFBMD and

another division, the Commander having the special staff and all support

f unctions, however, that such an organizational structure would be out of

context with the rest of the command. General Ritland felt we shouldn't

make a decision on this particular point without considering the long term

aspects. General Schriever added that this also introduces other problems

it is harder to do in terms of getting approval instead of the straight

approach of making it Vice Commander for ---.

General Ritland said he had many charts to pull this off as a separate

entity. The important thing, he feels, is how the top box looks with lines.

The question is what is the Gillette line on this thing -- out of AFBMD or

directly out of his office?

General Schriever stated that General Greer should be given a high

degree of economy with one person to boss it -- this person would be

General Ritland. He doesn't want a deputy commander to him and support

from AFBMD -- he feels that this will never work. General Ritland agreed

and feels he should be made a Vice Commander. As to physical location,

Gene ral Ritland stated he considers it ideal to remove General Greer

completely from the hectic activities here perhaps putting him in the

Douglas plant or elsewhere such as the R&D Center.

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In this regard. General Ritland stated that Dr

completely sold on integre r 'act personnel with

people -- he feels that D emit understand how e

this type of integration is.

General Ritland feels that when you get right down to it, it will"

end up by putting a line off AFBMD Commander and call General Greer

Vice Commander for ---. General Schriever thinks this is probably

the way it will have to be done -- he thinks the force idea complicates

things too much. It would probably create a problein throughout the

rest of the command. He thinks a straight forward approach would be

to designate him as a Vice Commander for --- and then in terms of

the internal arrangements out here, General Ritland is to give him the uum,

highest degree of independence and economy consistent with management.

As far as channels an up to the Pentagon are concerned, he personally

has no objection in a channel direct to the Pentagon as far as Hq ARDC

is concerned. He doesn't anticipate any problems in working out the •

necessary arrangements. He proposes to talk to the Chief about this

on Monday. He feels that if the Air Staff takes a strong position on the

• basis of their prerogatives, that we may lose the whole thing. General

Ritland said that he has given a great deal of thought to all the channels

and U you really look at the effectiveness, you can't improve upon the

directives General Schriever received in 1954 and 55 with regard to the

BMC operation. This is something he feels shouldn't be presented but

would like to give General Schriever our thoughts on it. Some of the

rumors seem to indicate that they are after a DOD operated organization -

something like the ARPA deal. According to General Schriever who has

talked with Dr. Charyk and Mr. Rubel this is not true.

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General Ritland asked when we should come in to brief General

Schriever who suggested that we give ourselves all next week to get

everything shaken down. General Ritland is to talk to Dr. Charyk and

then send General Schriever a wire in which we tell him we recommend

that any briefing to the Pentagon be delayed until the following week .

The wire is to be shown Dr. Charyk and General Ritland should tell him

that General Schriever feels that this is absolutely essential. While he

is out here, he should be given the local feel. General Schriever would

like to have General Ritland come in next F cessarily bringing

the whole team but maybe three people -- ps, and they

will discuss this over the week-end. Then we z

repared sometime during the following week - Tuesday or Wednesday - to go into the

Pentagon to present primarily 'the detailed management arrangement plus

the numbers of people, organisational structure, etc. The thing that

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worries General Schriever most, particularly with respect to the

program re-orientation is (1) that we go out to industry in a manner

that is completely consistent with our admitted requirement for

further technical study and analysis and that we really don't come up

with all of the details of the re-oriented and expanded program until

about 1 October. But, he said, this shouldn't necessarily delay our

going out to industry. He wants to be sure we do this in a way that

we don't find ourselves irrevocably committed to something we don't

want. He thinks we can get an outstanding group during the month of

August to devote a lot of time to this thing between now and the first

of October. He has a list of names and has talked to Dr

and thinks we can get some of these people out here du

of. August so that the month of September could be devoted to a major

technical review of everything available plus further analysis leading

to what could be considered the best possible approach to the over-all

re-oriented program. Some of these peop

to a year, and oche r.. become permanen

stated that we have got the job of creating

from 30 days

tubers. He

the prestige

of the operation and this can be done only by having names of people

that will create confidence on the part of the people doing the judging

and then come up with a program with a sound platform so that we can

roll with the punches that will be forthcoming.

General Ritland stated that insofar as he is concerned, he is

totally in agreement with this thing and is going to put good people in

there -- he is hoping to get the best people in there and still build up

the other space systems.

General Schriever will call General Ritland again either late today

or tomorrow and give him a list of officer personnel - some which we

have and others whom we must get. On the Vice Commander position,

General Ritland stated he intends to move the command control of the

wing under him to which General Schriever agreed. -

General Schriever wants General Ritland to show Dr. Charyk all

our plans and wants him to come in no later than Friday, 12 August.

He is going to get in touch with General Hozapple to have him come in

for the meeting next week-end.

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