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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY or DEFENSE

SUBJECT: Space Council Meeting of October 17, 1966

The Space Council met on October 17. 1966 to receive a report

from the FAA on aeronautical planning (with emphasis on now

safety developments) and to be informed of the progress made in

regard to activities for increasing international cooperation in .

space. The Vice President chaired the meeting. In response to

your request, I attended the meeting as your representative;

attachment (1) is a full list of attendees.

The following summarises the principal points of the discussions.

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The Vice President raised the question of the recent announcement .

by the Department of Interior concerning the EROS Program

(Earth Resources Observation Satellite). -Ho expressed his con.

cern and apparent annoyance that neither the President nor he knew

anything about the project prior to its announcement. He empha. •

in the future and wondered whether policy level consideration was

sized the need for their receiving the information on a timely basis . ;.

needed. Mr. Webb responded with an extended discussion. He

agreed that it was a very real problem that impinged on questions

of military security. He indicated that there was a NSAM now

being considered for the purpose of informing other agencies such

as Agriculture and Department of Interior that NASA has the

central responsibility in regard to civil space programs. Ho felt

that NASA should serve as an intermediary for all other agencies.

Dr. Welsh pointed out that NASA was explicitly given the reepetnsibility for civilian space research and development by the Space Act

of 1958. The Vice President endorsed this view and requested that

the Council's observations be passed along.

Mr. Leonard Marks expressed concern that the COMSAT Corpora.

Um, which in the eyes of the world appears to be speaking officially

for the U.S., has been making public statements concerning broad,.,,,_

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satellites. He pointed out that this is a controversial subject and

highly sensitive to smaller nations who fear its use for propaganda. L.

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Aeronautical Planning,.

As a result of his visit to the FAA facility in Atlantic City, the

Vice President expressed a desire to be more fully informed on

new safety developments and provieions to handle the rapidly increase

sag air traffic. General William F. McKee, Administrator of FAA,

reviewed present air traffic conditions and projected the situation to

1975. As an example he indicated that the current 70 billion passenger

miles per year would grow to 200 billion passenger miles per year

by 1975. Similarly, air freight is expected to expand dramatically -

from its present level of 1.7 billion ton miles per year and reach 7

to V. billion ton miles per year by 1975.

General McKee than commeatcd on the SST situation. Ho noted

that the French and British are pursuing the Concord Program very -

seriously as indicated by the fact that the French are reported to be

working a throe-shift basis on the project. Their completion date is

expected to be 1971. This compares to the U.S. completion of an

SST by' 1974. He stressed the ireport:usce of the SST to such countries

as Australia and Japan who have indicated that this aircraft would

bring thorn more effectively into the 'world market.

In regard to general aviation, General McKee characterised the

growth as fantastic, particularly as more business jets are entering

the picture.

Mr. David D. Thomas, Deputy Administrator of FAA reviewed

current methods of air traffic control and indicated efforts for

improvements. For the future system FAA plans to use computers

and incorporate altitude information in the radar displays.

Mr. Thomas than discussed the problem of accident fatalities.

The preserit record indicates two fatal accidents per 100.000 hours

flown and an expectation of 1,250 fatalities this year. Among the

efforts to improve the record he listed as: •

experiments with jelly fuel. -

improvement of exits from aircraft.

better seating arrangements, and

semi•automatic landing techniques.
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In conclusion, Mr. Thomas' crephasised that their biggest problem

continuos to be the weather, that is. how do they get the information

and how do they use it. Ho also commented that communications

over the North Atlantic presents one of their major problems since

during the transit, an aircraft is out of communication most of the

time. As one moans of corre•cting the situation the FAA is consider•

ing using communications satellites. Ho stated that the COMSAT

Corporation is presently engaged in developing a proposal for them •

for this purpose. •

Air. Webb commented on the ability to land an aircraft fully

automatically. He stated that "it was absolutely astonishing what

can bo done technically" and appeared convinced that the capability

exists now to land an aircraft under 0-0 conditions without a man.

He was uncertain as to how those technological accomplishments

can be accepted and introduced into the system. To a large extent

he thought it was a question of Policy.

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Intcrnational Seam: Exhibit.

In response to the request of the Vico President at the Space Council

meeting of March 23, 1966, Mr. Leonard Marks. Director USIA, • with cooperation of representatives of NASA, DoD and other agencies,

developed a proposal for an exhibit of U.S. space programs. Those

exhibits. -the first to open in the Fall of 1967. would be shown in

major cities throughout the world. It is expected that it will take

three years to complete the display of the exhibits to the proposed .-

50 cities. The total cost of the program is estimated at $10.9

million.

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In response to the Vice President's question. Mr. Marks recom•

mended that the USIA be given the administrative responsibility for

carrying out the program.

A discussion ensued concerning the best moans for obtaining the

estimated funds of $10.9 million. Mr. Marks stated that the funding'

could be spread over a three-year period and that there were two

alternative approaches. Either the USIA could request allocation

of the entire amount from the Bureau of the Budget or NASA. DoD •

and other agencies could mako appropriate contributions from its —

respective budgets. If the first approach were to be pursued,

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Mr. le:arke stated that it would be important to have the Space

Councils e written endorsement. Daced co a suggestion from

2.f.r. Webb, the Vice President stated that the Space Council would

draft a resolution ranking appropriate recommendations to the

President. Bofors preoenting the resolution to the President, a •

draft is to bo reviewed first by Mr. Marks, Mr. Webb and Mr.

2.:cDian-aara.

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. Pro:Trost: Report of the DeVoloarnent of n Plati for ImorovIen 

International Coonoraticm in Snace.

At the March 23, 1966 mooting of the Space Council the Vice

President requested U. Alexis Johnson, at that time the Deputy

Under Secretary of State. working in concert with DoD. NASA and •

other agencies, to develop recommendations for moans of enhanc• • •

ing the U.S. international cooperation in apace. The State Department presented an interim report.

Secretary flunk emphasized the need to establish precise guidelines

on the limitations and the degree to which the U. S. can and cannot

cooperate in apace ventures. He observed that •oven senior officials

appear to be uncertain as to what those limitations are and, as a

• consequence, occasionally find themselves) in embarrassing pools

tions as a result of negotiations withloreign representatives). The

=lost important questions, ho observed, bad to do with release of

launch vehicle information (MAM 294) and technology for com-inni..

cation satellites (NSAM 333).

Mr. Webb discussed at some length the problems in carrying oat

=AM 333 and stated that ho thought the policy to be a foolish one. •

2.:r. Herman Pollack, Acting Director of the State Department's

Bur eau of International Scientific and Technological Affairs,

presented the report (attachment (a)) of a Working Group which

liras engaged in examining those policies. He noted that the Working

Group gave its first attention to cooperation with ELDO. The now

policy that evolved.. NSAM 354. encourages support of ELDO and • has boon made known to U. S. industry and to the ELDO nations.

In regard to 1CAM 338 (Communication Satellite) Mr. Pollack

stated that its currant wording and manner in which it has been

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applied has inhibited some international cooperation. Mr. Janes D.

O'Connell. Special Assistant to tho ?recident for Tolocarnmunica•

tions has boon requested to • ndertliko a review of the policy which

is currently in progress.

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NORM/MS. PAUL .

Under Secretary of the Air Force

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SPACE COUNCIL MEETING

October 17, 1966

Executive Office Building, Room 213

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Vice President Humphrey, Chairman

Secretary of State, Dean. Rusk

Under Secretary of the Air Force, Mr. Norman S. Paul

(representing Mr. McNamara)

NASA Administrator, James Webb •

AEC Administrator, Dr. Glen Seaborg

Invited Guests 

General William F. McKee, Administrator, FAA

Mr. David Thomas, Deputy. Administrator, FAA '

Mr. Leonard Marki, Director, USIA

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Dr. Edward Welsh, Executive Secretary

Dr. Charles Sheldon

Mr. Paul Means

Mr. Mrozinsld

Mr. Hirsch

Mr. R. Hale

Mr. W. Berg

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