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June 6, 1969 

MEMORANDUM2 FOR COLONEL WORTHMAN 

SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation2 from Messrs and Krueger ~-~ 

Assuming you have read my June 5 memo on this same subject, 

I would like to continue here then the story ofl r Krueger Place. 

Much to my surprise, Joyce had listed for me this AM a tentatively 

scheduled meeting with Messrs~ __ and Krueger at 2 PM -- a 

meeting for which the subject was to be supplied later on this morning 

by Claire. 

My skepticism led me immediately to the conclusion that these 

two gents were about to swing on in here and discuss rather officially 

with me those same two camera systems which they were obviously 

being pressured on by their programmatic people (Mr. Jaffe). Not 

that I am a panty-waist, you mind, but I was very concerned that I 

might be led down the primrose path by these two gents in their 

hurried attempts at some quick coordination and approval to relieve 

the pressure they were receiving in their own house. Perhaps I 

was seeing ghosts, but perhaps not. I chose not to take a chance and 

so I called Mr.~-- and asked him for details on what it was he 

and Myron wanted to discuss. Mr.~-- admitted that they were 

being pressured on this very issue and that they were hoping to get 

some "action" started. I explained to ~-~again very succinctly 

that I was not yet fully aware of all the machinations that had gone 

before on this issue, nor for that matter of any feelings on tie partl 

of DOD SACC members with reEpect to this issue. I advised 

that while I would be happy to meet with he and Myron, it seemed to 

me that such a discussion would be sort of non-productive. 

of course, was a bit unhappy but admitted that he understood my 

position. I suggested very strongly that he and Myron hold off the 

NASA pressure until such time as you/ Allen/ Palley were here in 

order that something worthwhile might result from any discussions. 

He still insisted that I hold this afternoon open but that he would 

talk further with Myron. 

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Myron called me at 1345 to say that they agreed that the discussion could be delayed until Monday, but that they felt very strongly 

that they must have the meeting sometime Monday. Myron took the 

occasion then of this call to say just a bit more about the issue. The 

following is an account of what he provided: 

Myron has discussed these camera systems on a couple of 

occasions with Col Williamson. Col Williamson's concerns appear 

to center around the risk of NASA moving into earth-pointing applications of these very nice systems rather than just the lunar scientific 

exercises. Myron has been in touch also with Itek on the 24 11 optical 

bar panoramic camera. This contact started when Itek called Myron 

indicating that Houston had been in touch with Itek asking about the 

availability of this camera system. Itek' s check with Myron, of 

course, was t,o ascertain whether or not Houston could be serious. 

Itek apprised Myron then that these cameras were available on-theshelf and were being advertised for general availability and advised 

Myron that a'-----------~ {who the directory shows as a member 

of the AFRDR staff) was the Air Force contact for Itek on this system. 

Myron then has had several discussions wit~ I Through these 

discussions Myron has learned that these cameras are coming off the 

Itek line in sufficient number to enable the Air Force to offer four or 

five of the systems for immediate sale to NASA. So Myron's position 

is that there no longer is a question of availability of the system but 

rather only the question of how NASA would contract to purchase the 

cameras and the more important question of our providing Len Jaffe a 

paper for his Pear 1 Harbor file. Jaffe obviously knows of their 

immediate availability and is pushing Myron since the issue is no 

longer academic (and here it is important to note that Jaffe has both 

program authorization and money, which was not the case at the 

time of the last SACC meeting). 

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was also on the line I found out at about this point, because 

he began to address the other camera system, i.e., the 3 11 mapping 

camera. His very cryptic sentence indicated that NASA was ready 

to do this particular acquisition in either of two ways: (1) pick up 

the pieces (whatever that means), (2) buy the glass and have the 

technology redone. 

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I thanked these gents for this most interesting discussion and 

told them I would certainly pass this information on to you and 

c perhaps attempt this afternoon to do some of the checking with 

[ _ -j On second thought, I felt I should not yet touch base With [:::::_=] until I talk With you and so I have decided against such a 

contact. I wiJJ await your guidance with interest. I trust I have 

remained peripheral enough to the problem so as not to muck it up. 

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Of CALI. 

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