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CONDUCTED BY

THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ANIMAL AND PLANT HEALTH INSPECTION SERVICE

FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON GLYPHOSATE TOLERANT (ROUNDUP READY) ALFALFA DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT

DOCKET NO. APHIS-2007-0044

HELD ON FEBRUARY 4, 2010 FROM 4 P.M. TO 7 P.M. AT THE HOLIDAY INN HAYMARKET 141 NORTH 9TH STREET LINCOLN, NEBRASKA 68508

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 2 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MR. ABEL: My name is Sid Abel. I'm the 3 senior deputy administrator for Biotechnology 4 Regulatory Services. I'll be involved in chairing 5 the meeting. 6 Today's meeting is the third public 7 meeting to solicit comments from the public on the 8 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Services Draft 9 Environment Impact Statement evaluating the potential 10 environmental impacts of deregulating alfalfa 11 genetically engineered to be resistant to the 12 herbicide glyphosate, known commercially as Roundup. 13 The GE alfalfa is commonly referred to as Roundup 14 Ready Alfalfa in the EIS. The GE alfalfa is also 15 referred to as glyphosate-tolerant or GT alfalfa. 16 APHIS considered two alternatives in the 17 Draft EIS, grant nonregulated status for two lines of 18 Roundup Ready alfalfa or to maintain the status as 19 regulated. APHIS analyzed these alternatives with 20 regards to their potential impacts on gene flow 21 between the Roundup Ready alfalfa and non GE alfalfa, 22 on weed development, on wildlife species, and on 23 species with protected status, also known as 24 endangered or threatened species. 25 The Draft EIS also analyzes the

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 3 1 alternatives with regard to their impact on herbicide 2 use, plant species, socioeconomic factors, including 3 conventional and organic alfalfa markets, dairy and 4 beef markets and general trade; human health and 5 safety, land use and production practices and the 6 physical environment including the soil, the climate, 7 air quality and water. 8 The alfalfa Draft EIS addresses two 9 aspects of the National Environmental Policy Act 10 implementation. The analysis and consideration of 11 potential impacts of the proposed Federal action and 12 the consideration of a range of alternatives. 13 APHIS prepared this Draft EIS to comply 14 with the February 2007 judgment and order by the 15 United States District Court for the Northern 16 District of California. The Court did not overturn 17 APHIS's 2005 conclusion regarding the safety of 18 Roundup Ready alfalfa for food and meat purposes, but 19 rather concluded that APHIS had not adequately 20 documented the potential or the lack of potential 21 environmental impacts. 22 Based on the impact analysis in the Draft 23 EIS APHIS has preliminarily concluded that there is 24 no significant impact on the human environment in 25 granting nonregulated status to Roundup Ready

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 4 1 alfalfa. However, I would like to emphasize that 2 this is a Draft EIS and not a final decision of the 3 regulatory status of Roundup Ready alfalfa. 4 APHIS will consider all public comments 5 submitted during the comment period before finalizing 6 the EIS or making any final decisions regarding the 7 regulatory status of Roundup Ready alfalfa. The 8 comment period on the draft EIS is 60 days and 9 comments are due by midnight, February 16th, 2010. 10 As part of the public participation 11 process we are holding this meeting and other public 12 meetings to solicit comments from the public on the 13 draft EIS. Comments provided today, both verbally 14 and in writing, will be made part of the official 15 public record and evaluated during the preparation of 16 the final EIS. 17 Before continuing I'd like to recognize 18 the staff here with APHIS who assisted with the 19 public meeting and the development of the Draft EIS. 20 To my left is Andi Huberty who is the branch chief of 21 our regulatory and environmental analysis branch and 22 also our -- the lead person on the Draft EIS. 23 In front of me here is Rebecca 24 Stankiewicz-Gabel. She is an environmental 25 protection specialist who will be taking over the EIS

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 5 1 to get it to a final and will be our timekeeper today 2 for verbal comments. 3 In the back is David Reinhold. He is the 4 assistant director of the environmental risk analysis 5 program and also the lead for the deregulatory 6 implementation team. 7 And then to his left is Mike Pina who is 8 a legislative and public affairs specialist, so if 9 anybody here's from the press he'll help us. 10 We are providing speakers two minutes to 11 present their information. If you did not denote 12 that on the sign in and you wish to present your 13 comment, please do so now at the sign in table. 14 Rebecca will be our timekeeper and will let you know 15 when your two minutes are up. We appreciate everyone 16 being polite in responding. 17 In order to give everyone an equal 18 opportunity to speak it is necessary for us to 19 enforce the two minute time limit. Unfortunately 20 even if you are not finished within that time we will 21 have to move on to the next speaker. We appreciate 22 your cooperation and understanding. 23 When your name is called please come to 24 the front of the room so Rebecca can provide you with 25 a microphone. Please begin by stating and spelling

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 6 1 your name for our court reporter and stating your 2 organization you are representing. Your two minutes 3 begin at that point. 4 If you haven't already done so, please 5 provide Rebecca with a written version of your 6 statement at the end of your two minute time period. 7 If we have time after all our speakers have finished 8 with their remarks we will have an informal poster 9 session in the back of the room. The purpose of the 10 poster session is to answer clarifying questions, not 11 to discuss and debate the issue or the analysis of 12 the draft EIS. 13 It is important to remember that any 14 comments made during this time are not part of the 15 record. All comments must be provided either during 16 the verbal session or as written comments. We have 17 provided a table with the Draft EIS and forms for 18 written comments. Comment forms also provide 19 information on how to submit your comments. 20 We will take the speakers in order of 21 sign in. And I'd like to remind you once again, 22 please come to the microphone, if you will state your 23 name, spell your name for our court reporter, that 24 would be appreciated. 25 Our first speaker today will be Mr.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 7 1 Howard Vlieger. 2 MR. VLIEGER: My name is Howard Vlieger, 3 V-l-i-e-g-e-r. I have been involved in biological 4 crop production since 1989. I appear today to demand 5 that the USDA delay the approval of Roundup Ready 6 alfalfa until adequate research and testing is 7 completed. 8 All GMO crops raised in the U.S. have 9 been approved with reckless abandon by the regulatory 10 agencies in the U.S. The FDA, EPA and USDA have all 11 failed miserably in properly measuring the risks 12 associated with GMO crops. Show us the research and 13 the long-term testing that has been conducted by an 14 accredited, independent third-party on any GMO 15 crops. Show us the long-term animal testing by any 16 independent third-party researcher that has been 17 completed without showing any side effects of GMO 18 crops. Where is any of the research that should be 19 mandatory for producing any genetically modified crop 20 in the food chain in the U.S. 21 In my written comments I will provide you 22 information supporting negative side effects to every 23 Roundup Ready crop grown in the U.S., soybeans, corn, 24 cotton, canola and sugar beets. There is 25 overwhelming evidence of the negative effects of

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 8 1 Roundup Ready crops and the use of glyphosate 2 herbicide. This is proven by research from 3 accredited university professors such as Johal Huber 4 from Perdue University and Dr. Kremer from the 5 University of Missouri. I will provide these in my 6 comments, along with public papers from scientific 7 journals proving the negative effects of glyphosate 8 crops and the use of glyphosate on these crops in the 9 environment. 10 There are numerous incidents of toxins 11 showing up in the grain supply all across the U.S. 12 that can be directly traced back to the opportunistic 13 fungi, that being Fusarium, Pythium, Phytophthora, 14 Rhyzoctonia, Sclerotium, Sclerotinia that proliferate 15 in the soil with the use of the glyphosate resistant 16 crops. These toxins are causing poor performance, 17 ill health and death in every livestock species 18 raised in the U.S. that's being fed GMO grain. I 19 again demand that you not approve Roundup Ready 20 alfalfa until the proper research and testing is 21 completed. Thank you. 22 MR. ABEL: Thank you. Next speaker, Mr. 23 Robert Sage. If you will state your name and spell 24 it for us, please. 25 MR. SAGE: I'm Robert Sage, S-a-g-e. My

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 9 1 brother and I are sixth generation farmers in 2 Wabaunsee County, Kansas. We have a cow/calf 3 operation, as well as crops. Our crops consist of 4 wheat, corn and soybeans. We also raise alfalfa for 5 our cattle operation. We both coexist conventional 6 and Roundup Ready alfalfa in our operation for the 7 different needs of our cattle. 8 I'd like to back up and give you a little 9 history. The last two years I participated in the 10 Power Plant in Kansas which is the Kansas Agriculture 11 Group Leadership Development Program. At the end of 12 that two year course at Kansas State University we 13 toured India for two weeks. In two and half year -- 14 or two weeks I learned many valuable things about the 15 India society and culture. There's also 1.2 billion 16 people and growing daily in India. 17 The reason I bring that up is I think 18 it's very easy to detect that we have a growing world 19 population. As we try and meet the needs of the 20 growing population in this world. We need to create 21 more food for those people. 22 A high quality, safe food supply for the 23 American and world society is very important. We 24 will not keep other industries, such as automobile, 25 manufacturing, computers, slow down or stop their

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 10 1 technology to become a better product for their 2 stock. GMO created products are also very important 3 for the development of the food supply of the world. 4 I, as a sixth generation farmer, feel 5 like we are the original environmentalists of the 6 land, stewardship and producing high quality food on 7 our land for many generations to come is what I 8 intend to do. We need GMO's to help us do that. 9 Thank you. 10 MR. ABEL: Thank you. The next speaker is 11 Mr. Daren Nelson. 12 MR. NELSON: I am Daren Nelson from St. 13 Ed, Nebraska, D-a-r-e-n N-e-l-s-o-n, representing 14 Nelson Farms. I guess I would take the liberty of 15 coming here to speak from the heart. I'm not going 16 to give a written speech or something. 17 For me and a four generation family farm 18 the use of biotechnology, Roundup Ready alfalfa has 19 proved to be a very important part of our operation. 20 Along with Roundup Ready alfalfa I also grow organic 21 alfalfa. I see the benefits of Roundup Ready alfalfa 22 outweigh the organic product for production. 23 As farmers we strive to try to feed the 24 world. I feel that biotech crops are the wave of the 25 future and they need to be embraced. I feel that

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 11 1 there's science in back of these crops and we need to 2 show more support for them. 3 To me I guess it means more for people to 4 see that these -- that it will be good for them, not 5 somebody reading something off of the Internet and 6 making a list without the full facts and everything 7 on how it impacts the economy, the environment, or 8 the producers and the economy. 9 We need to take advantage of the produced 10 biotechnology and not go to other parts of the 11 world. I think we have a duty, a better appreciation 12 for biotech crops if our population had ever gone 13 hungry. 14 Our population does not understand where 15 their food comes from and it's very important for 16 them to learn that, if they do not want to become a 17 little hungry or starve at some time. It would be 18 really I think a detriment to our society and to our 19 farm economy if we do not approve the Roundup Ready 20 alfalfa. And I really thank you. 21 MR. ABEL: Thank you. The next speaker 22 is Mr. Dale Strickler. 23 MR. STRICKLER: Hi. I'm Dale Strickler, 24 S-t-r-i-c-k-l-e-r. I'm a small rancher in north 25 central Kansas. And I saw something -- or learned

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 12 1 something a while back, there's a place in Iraq where 2 an unknown scientist has crops, taken genetics from 3 four different plants and crops. And he began 4 planting that and it spread rapidly. And next year, 5 that's the plant that's going to cover about 500 6 million acres around the world. Sounds pretty scary, 7 until you find out that happened 4,000 years ago and 8 the plant's called wheat. 9 Likewise, in Central America, between 1 10 and 2,000 years ago some unknown scientist took genes 11 from three different plants, crossed them together 12 and produced what we now call corn. And it's going 13 onto probably about 300 million acres around the 14 world. 15 Now, I'm sure at some point that story of 16 those two plants evolutions were pretty scary. There 17 was an unknown risk there. But think where we'd be 18 today without the evolution of those plants. 19 I think there's a question here. Do we 20 let fear mongering or science rule the day. One 21 recent development in our society has been that fear 22 makes money. You can spread a scary story and people 23 will send you money, especially with the advent of 24 the Internet. And I think that's a trend we need to 25 stop and we need to let science rule the day.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 13 1 If GMO's are safe, let them see the 2 market. If they're not safe, they're stopped. But 3 all the science that I've seen and I've been privy to 4 a lot of it, says they're safe. And I support the 5 deregulation of Roundup Ready alfalfa. 6 MR. ABEL: Thank you. The next speaker, 7 Mr. Jim Kesler. 8 MR. KESLER: Thank you. My name is Jim 9 Kesler, K-e-s-l-e-r. I live in northeast Kansas, 10 town of Sabetha. I'm a commercial hay grower, have 11 350 to 400 acres of alfalfa. We currently have about 12 190 to 195 acres of Roundup alfalfa. We use 13 technology on our farm for a number of years. We 14 help advance technology. A good sample of soil, 15 there's a lot less to burn with lime and fertilizer, 16 we glyphosate them and also show that we're using our 17 farm. Our goal is to produce and grow hay and where 18 the alfalfa is and we do not harvest any seed. 19 On my land I have traditional alfalfa 20 that coexists with Roundup alfalfa with no 21 detriment. I have -- these two grow side by side in 22 the field and we've had no drift problems with 23 management. I also have an organic grower that is 24 across the road from me. He's growing organic crops 25 less than 100 feet from my Roundup alfalfa. We've

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 14 1 had no drift problems with the Roundup over on his 2 crops, no complaints. We have a good farming 3 relationship side-by-side. He in fact right now has 4 got one of his organic fertilizers sitting in my hay 5 shed. So we have no problems coexisting there. 6 The first field that I planted to Roundup 7 alfalfa was planted in the spring. We had a drought 8 that year that hurt production. And if I had not 9 been being Roundup alfalfa I would have had a field 10 of grass, weeds and maybe had to replant. But with 11 Roundup technology we were able to keep that clean. 12 It didn't get much height and we had to cut it first 13 over again. Didn't get a lot. Without the Roundup 14 technology this wouldn't have happened. 15 I've got an older field of traditional 16 alfalfa that's now out of production, but the last 17 three, four years, we fought -- fought and cleaned up 18 pigweed and water hemp. We've tried two different 19 products two different years to control this without 20 success. And with the Roundup technology we could 21 have kept this field clean. I appreciate the USDA 22 people's work and their fine work, on work they've 23 done and request they deregulate alfalfa. Thanks. 24 MR. ABEL: Thank you. And the last 25 speaker who signed in is Ms. Katie Mack.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 15 1 MS. MACK: Katie Mack, K-a-t-i-e 2 M-a-c-k. I'm from Minnesota. My family owns a 3 diversified crop and livestock operation. As the 4 daughter of a managing farmer I want to be a part of 5 the future of my family operation, agriculture and 6 the change of ag. As a child of the technology 7 generation I'm making it my goal to become an 8 agriculture activist, a story teller and share my 9 practices and priorities in being a good steward of 10 my land and the surrounding environment. 11 Roundup Ready alfalfa is the future, 12 biotechnology and practices in other areas have been 13 embraced and should be in agriculture. The American 14 farmer has embraced GPS, Blackberrys, Internet and 15 such technologies. As they embraced this they have 16 been saved by biotechnology practices in hospitals, 17 cars and use technology. 18 The solution to our issue is to embrace 19 change, pass the knowledge to the consumers and let 20 them know how we are good farmers. And good farmers 21 are the choice for the future. I want the choice to 22 manage my operation into the future of agriculture. 23 Thank you. 24 MR. ABEL: Thank you. That ends the 25 speakers who have signed in today. At this point

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 16 1 we'll give you the opportunity to let anyone else, if 2 they want to sign in to feel like you have an 3 opportunity for a presentation today. Otherwise we 4 will be here until approximately 7 o'clock tonight. 5 And if anybody else comes in they will have an 6 opportunity also to give an oral comment. 7 So we'll be around. We'll be in the 8 back. We also have another comment table in the back 9 if you'd like to provide some written comments, 10 you're welcome to. And we'll be here to answer any 11 questions. Thank you for coming tonight. 12 13 **PUBLIC HEARING ADJOURNED** 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 17 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Linda A. Norris, Electronic Reporter and 4 General Notary Public, do hereby certify that the 5 foregoing Transcript of Public Hearing is correct and 6 complete, and contains all matters required to be 7 included herein; and that the Transcript of Public 8 Hearing was reduced to writing by me or under my 9 direction; 10 That the foregoing Transcript of Public Hearing 11 was taken by me at the time and place herein 12 specified; 13 That I am not counsel, attorney or relative or 14 otherwise interested in the outcome event of this 15 matter. 16 In testimony whereof, I have placed my hand and 17 notarial seal this ______ day of ___________, 2010. 18 19 20

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