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Subject: RE: MV Liquid

‐ immersed LCC an d NIA Results

Since the objective is to save energy, $/mWh saved may be a more informative number.

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Subject: RE: MV Liquid

‐ immersed LCC and NIA Results

Christopher:

Will you be s upplying "$/Watt saved" (as compared to the current, DSL 0, efficiency requirements)

information to the group such that we can see the true cost

‐ to

‐ benefit ratio? I think this will be very

helpful for the group to see what the up

‐ front cost will be for the various proposals.

Regards,

Chuck Simmo ns, P.E.

Distribution Standards

Progress Energy

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Subject: Re: MV Liquid

‐ immersed LCC and NIA Results

Greg,

Thank you very much, for your questions.

> 1. Overall

‐ So that we can more effectively analyze this new

> information, could you please provide a brief summary of significant

> changes from the

> 9/09/2011 results?

We plan to have a me mo of changes ready for committee member prepared for tomorrow evening (Nov

4, 11)> 2. Designs Used

‐ Can we assume that the designs defined in the 8/23

> and

> 9/08/2011 Engineering Data files are the same designs used for this

> analyses, excluding the ZDMH core designs?

Yes, the engineering data used is the same data that was previously distributed to the committee. ZDMH

core desig ns were excluded only from the basecase, but persist in the standards cases. We plan to

release results, as a sensitivity, with ZDMH excluded entirely from the analysis later tonight or tomorrow

morning.

> 3. Chart 16

‐ The label above the top table reads "Summary Results by

> TSL for > Li quid

‐ immersed Transformers". We believe this label should

> read

"Summary

> Results by EL for Liquid

‐ immersed Transformers". Are we correct?

You are correct.

> 4. Chart 18

‐ This chart describes 6 draft TSLs. However, the chart

> then shows 7 TSLs. While TSL6 and TSL7 appear to be the same, is

> th ere significance to this additional TSL?

There is no significance to the addition TSL its inclusion was an oversight

‐ it will be removed.

Thank you,

‐ Chris>

> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Christopher Bolduc < cabolduc@lbl.gov >

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Committee Members,

>>

>> Please find the draft LCC and NIA results for liquid

‐ immersed

>> medium

‐ voltage transformers (design lines 1

‐ 5) attached.

>>

>> A summary of changes and additional sensitivities will be distributed

>> before next week's meeting.

>>

>> Thank you,

>> ‐‐ Chris Bolduc

>>

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> Greg Coulter

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