Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US

02/13/2008 02:18 PM To Jim Berlow/DC/USEPA/US@EPA, Peter 

Grevatt/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

cc Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US@EPA, Steve 

Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA

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Jim, 

Please see below for information about manufacturing the standard.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste 

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard), 

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

----- Forwarded by Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US on 02/13/2008 02:14 PM -----

Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US

02/11/2008 09:41 AM To Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

cc Joseph Ferrario/GMPO/USEPA/US@EPA, Steve 

Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA

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 Re: Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate(4)

Shen-yiAnka Gelbin (spelling probably butchered) who is the head of Accustandard's custom synthesis 

group contacted me today regarding a message I left asking if they were willing to make this 

standard available. She said it would probably be a four figure (some multiple of $10,000) 

project. I would think that the companies ordering the standard who would have to pay for it, but 

she said they might need money to get the project off the ground. Her phone # is 203.786.5290 

ex 108. I don't know how the standard manufacturers decide what should and shouldn't be in a 

given standard mix, if they're in contact with someone in EPA. At any rate, it sounds like they'd 

be willing to make this compound as a standard if we give them 4-6 weeks lead time and money.

Troy J Strock, chemist

US Environmental Protection Agency

Chicago Regional Lab

536 S. Clark St 10th Floor

Chicago IL 60605

office phone # 312.353.8362

fax # 312.886.2591
Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US

02/04/2008 02:47 PM To Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US@EPA

cc Joseph Ferrario/GMPO/USEPA/US@EPA, Steve 

Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA

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Re: Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate(5)

Many thanks.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste 

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard), 

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US

02/04/2008 02:07 PM To Joseph Ferrario/GMPO/USEPA/US@EPA

cc Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA, Shen-Yi 

Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

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JoeHope you're doing fine on this fat tuesday eve. OSW is looking for a standards manufacturer to 

supply this carbamate pesticide as an analytical standard. Do you have an idea of where they 

might be able to obtain it? If not, do you have a standards supplier whose service you would 

recommend for them to get a custom synthesis quotation from? The commercial lab person who 

did some of the leg work to try to get a standard of this compound already was told by Ultra, 

Chem Service, SPEX Certiprep, O2SI, and Crescent Chemical that they wouldn't provide it as a 

custom synthesis (details in the e-mail thread below). I sent an e-mail to Michele Schantz at 

NIST too to see if she could provide any leads.

Troy J Strock, chemist

US Environmental Protection Agency

Chicago Regional Lab

536 S. Clark St 10th Floor

Chicago IL 60605

office phone # 312.353.8362

fax # 312.886.2591

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Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US

02/04/2008 10:31 AM To Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA, Troy 

Strock/R5/USEPA/US@EPA

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Hi Steve and Troy:

Please see below for the email exchanges. Is there other alternative? Thanks.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste 

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard), 

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

----- Forwarded by Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US on 02/04/2008 11:23 AM -----

Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

02/04/2008 09:21 AM To Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

cc Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com

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Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Shen-Yi,

Please see the following message thread regarding the analytical 

standard we are looking for. It seems that suppliers are unable to 

provide a custom standard due to lack of raw material. Do you have 

other thoughts on how we can obtain data?

Thank you for your assistance!

Nancy Paddock

Environmental Engineering Specialist

Veolia ES Technical Solutions

618.271.2804 ext. 115

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"Renee Patterson" 
 <rpatterson@appli To: 

<Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com> 

 nc.com> cc: 

<Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com> 

 Subject: Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate 

 02/01/2008 10:04 AM 

 

 

 

Nancy,

I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. Our LC supervisor 

made additional inquiries about obtaining a custom standard for mcumenyl methylcarbamate. Please see her reply which follows.

Renée

Hi Renee,

I called Donna at Ultra, as your 1-29-08 email indicated for

m-cumenyl-methylcarbamate. They can not supply the standard as a 

custom. See email below. I also called Chem Service, SPEX Certiprep, 

O2SI and Crescent Chemical and none of them can supply a custom for mcumenyl methylcarbamate.

Sharon Dehmlow, LC Supervisor

4203 W. Swift

Fresno, CA 93722

ph 559-275-2175

----- Original Message -----

From: "Avery Dickinson" <ultra@ultrasci.com>

To: <sdehmlow@applinc.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:54 PM

Subject: Custom request

Dear Sharon:

Thank you for you request for a custom quotation. Unfortunately, we

cannot find a source for the raw material you requested. Thanks for 

thinking of ULTRA Scientific for your standards needs.

ULTRA Custom Quotations Dept.

----- Original Message -----

From: <Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com>

To: <rpatterson@applinc.com>

Cc: <Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com>

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:44 AM

Subject: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Dear Renee,
 I have been in contact w/ USEPA over the past several months 

regarding the unavailability of m-cumenyl methylcarbamate as an 

analytical standard.

 Please see the following e-mail which gives details on purchasing a

custom made standard from ULTRA. Will you please contact ULTRA 

Scientific regarding this custom order and provide a quote for me which 

details the additional cost of this individual compound being analyzed 

as part of our usual panel of compounds?

The ARF for our most recent sample set is 55057 and the APPL ID is

AX71710. If you need additional information to help identify the data 

package we receive from APPL, feel free to call.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Nancy Paddock

Environmental Engineering Specialist

Veolia ES Technical Solutions

618.271.2804 ext. 115

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Yang.Shen-Yi@epamail

 .epa.gov To: Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

 cc:Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com, 

Berlow.Jim@epamail.epa.gov,

 01/15/2008 02:04 PM 

Berlow.Jim@epamail.epa.gov

, Young.Jan@epamail.epa.gov

 Subject: Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Dear Ms. Paddock:

Thanks for your inquiry.

As we discussed via phone on January 10, I agree with you that the

compound Mr. Barry Lesnik suggested, promecarb (C12H17NO2, RCRA waste

code P201, molecular weight 207.2718) has a different molecular 

formula and molecular structure than the reference standard you are 

searching for, m-cumenyl methylcarbamate (CAS Number: 64-00-6, RCRA 

waste code P202, C11H15NO2, molecular weight 193.245). Even though 

Promecarb is a very similar carbamate in chemical structure, but it 

would be an inappropriate standard for the quantitation of m-cumenyl

methylcarbamate.

I did check with a number of large chemical standard suppliers and it

appears at one point this was a commonly stocked standard. However, I

suspect that the demand has dwindled to the point that it is no longer

feasible for them to keep it as part of their common catalog standards

All of the suppliers I checked do have the ability to prepare custom

standards, and this would probably be the best option for m-cumenyl

methylcarbamate. Here are the links to the suppliers I checked:

http://www.o2si.com/

http://www.alfa.com/alf/index.htm
http://www.accustandard.com/

http://www.isotope.com/cil/products/index.cfm

http://www.rt-corp.com/default.aspx

http://www.eraqc.com/

Also, m-cumenyl methylcarbamate is a RCRA target analyte listed in

Method 8318 and many of the standard suppliers do offer calibration

mixes for Method 8318, however, m-cumenyl methylcarbamate is not

included. This is further indication that the monitoring demand and

analysis for this compound has decreased such that it is no longer

routinely analyzed.

To place a custom standard order for m-cumenyl methylcarbamate, you 

may contact Ms. Donna Theroux of Customer Service of ULTRA Scientific 

at 1-800-338-1754 ext. 520 or 1-401-294-7670 Fax, or csr@ultrasci.com.

Hope this helps you to located the standard.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard),

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

Jan Young/DC/USEPA/US

 To

 Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

 12/20/2007 01:56 PM cc

 Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com,

 Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA,

Peter Grevatt/DC/USEPA/US@EPA,

 Jim Berlow/DC/USEPA/US@EPA 

Subject

 Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

(Document link: Shen-Yi Yang

Thank you for your email, Nancy.

As I explained in our conversation, Shen-yi may be able to help with 

general pointers or insights regarding standard development working 

with NIST, and perhaps suggestions in addition to what Barry has 

already provided. Also she can then better advise the division 

director and me concerning the scope of this issue and any options 

there may be for moving forward. FYI, the suggestion you made to Barry 

of documenting for your compliance files that procarbemar would be an 
equivalent standard is not necessarily a straightforward or quick thing 

to accomplish; as I explained Shen-yi currently has numerous competing

demands on her time due to Barry's retirement.

(I will also forward to Shen-yi the information that Barry left you on

your voice mail.)

Most of us will also be out until Jan. 2 or 3, so we can resume

discussion at that time.

Best wishes for a happy holiday.

Jan Young, Associate Director

Economics, Methods and Risk Analysis Division

U.S. EPA Office of Solid Waste

1200 PA Ave., NW

Mail Code 5307-P

Washington, DC 20460

703-308-1568

Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

 To

 12/20/2007 01:11 PM Jan Young/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

 

cc

 Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com

 Subject m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Jan,

Thank you for taking the time to discuss my issue this morning. To

summarize, I work for a hazardous waste incineration facility and am

responsible for LDR compliance. Incineration residues are 

periodically sampled and analyzed to verify that all UTS are met. I 

was recently contacted by the outside laboratory we use to provide data 

for the carbamate compounds and was told that a standard for the 

compound m-cumenyl methylcarbamate (waste code P202) can no longer be 

found. I checked with all of the other outside labs that we use and 

they in turn, checked with their suppliers; the standard is not 

available, not even in Europe.

Barry Lesnik stated that we should use promecarb as the standard for

m-cumenyl methylcarbamate. I would be happy to do that, but since

promecarb represents a different waste code (P201,) has a different

molecular formula and molecular structure, I requested something in

writing from Barry to document this choice for our compliance files. 

Barry has not yet replied to the December 13th request I made via email.

 I understand that Shen-Yi Yang will likely be taking over this 

aspect of Barry's work upon his retirement. If she can discuss this 

issue with me and verify his guidance or provide an alternative, that 

would be greatly appreciated.

After today, I will be out of the office until January 2nd. I look
forward to discussing the situation with Shen-Yi at her earliest 

convenience. My contact information can be found below.

Thank you again for your time this morning and I hope that you enjoy

this> Holiday Season!

Sincerely,

Nancy Paddock

Environmental Engineering Specialist

Veolia ES Technical Solutions

618.271.2804 ext. 115

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