## UTAH REGIONAL HAZE PROPOSED RULE

PUBLIC HEARING 01/26/2016

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### PUBLIC HEARING

EPA's Proposed Rulemaking Action: Utah Regional Haze State Implementation Plan (SIP) and Federal Implementation Plan (FIP) for Regional Haze

January 26, 2016 - 1:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m.

Location: Salt Lake City Public Library 4th Floor Conference Room 210 East 400 South Salt Lake City, Utah 8411

Reporter: Teri Hansen Cronenwett Certified Realtime Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter Notary Public in and for the State of UtahAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### A P P E A R A N C E S 2 

### Elyana Sutin, Administrative Hearing Officer 3 

### Monica Morales, EPA Region 8 4

### Gail Fallon, EPA Region 8 5 

### Rich Mylott, EPA Region 8 6 

### Jaslyn Dobrahner, EPA Region 8 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### January 26, 2016 1:02 p.m. 2 

### P R O C E E D I N G S 3 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Good afternoon 4

### everyone. I think we're going to get started so if we 5 

### could quiet the room. We have a lot of people here 6 

### today, so thank you all for coming. 7 

### My name is Elyana Sutin. I'm with the EPA in 8 

### Denver, Colorado. I will be presiding over the hearing 9 

### this afternoon as well as this evening. This hearing is 10 

### now officially in session. 11 

### The subject of today's hearing is the 12 

### Environmental Protection Agency's co-proposal for Utah's 13 

### Regional Haze State Implementation Plan or SIP. Our 14

### rulemaking action co-proposes two different approaches. 15 

### The first approach fully approves Utah's Regional Haze 16 

### SIP, addresses the requirements of the federal rules for 17 

### regional haze. 18 

### The second approach partially approves and 19 

### partially disapproves Utah's Regional Haze SIP, 20 

### proposing a Federal Implementation Plan or FIP for those 21 

### elements of the SIP for which we are proposing 22 

### disapproval. You will hear more detail regarding the 23 

### two approaches in the proposed action from Monica 24

### Morales, who is sitting next to me, momentarily. 25 

### The fact sheet on the table in the back of theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### room explains how you may submit written comments to 2 

### EPA's proposed action, and also gives the Federal 3 

### Register citation for the proposed action. 4

### Jaslyn Dobrahner is seated at the back of the 5 

### room, although I think at the moment she might be out. 6 

### But she will be seated at the back of the room. She is 7 

### holding up her hand. Can you do that again, Jaslyn? 8 

### Thanks. 9 

### She can assist you with obtaining a fact sheet 10 

### or completing a registration card if you wish to speak. 11 

### I will explain a little bit more about the registration 12 

### card in a moment. 13 

### This hearing is a means for EPA to listen to 14

### your comments on the proposed action that has been 15 

### published as a Federal Register proposed rule. Before I 16 

### turn it over to Monica, let me explain a bit about the 17 

### process and a few ground rules for the hearing. 18 

### When EPA takes action on a State 19 

### Implementation Plan or a Federal Implementation Plan, it 20 

### is required to do so through rulemaking. This 21 

### rulemaking is governed by laws passed by Congress. For 22 

### SIPs, it's the Administrative Procedures Act. For FIPs, 23 

### it's the Clean Air Act. 24

### In either case EPA must publish a proposed 25 

### rule in the Federal Register, take public comment on theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### proposed rule, and publish a final rule in the Federal 2 

### Register after considering comments. 3 

### In the case of FIPs, EPA is also required to 4

### conduct a hearing which is what we're doing today. 5 

### After considering all the comments, EPA may decide to 6 

### make changes to the proposed rule or it may decide to 7 

### move forward and finalize one of the approaches in the 8 

### proposed rule. 9 

### We are here today to listen to your comments. 10 

### We will attempt to answer any clarifying questions about 11 

### the process or what's contained in the proposed action. 12 

### But we are not here today to explain the basis for the 13 

### proposed action. The Federal Register notice does that. 14

### We cannot engage in a back-and-forth discussion of the 15 

### proposed action or respond to your comments during this 16 

### hearing. The purpose of the hearing is to receive your 17 

### input. We will consider and then respond to all 18 

### comments received during this hearing, as well as any 19 

### written comments in a final Federal Register rule. 20 

### If you have already made comments, there is no 21 

### need to repeat them today. They will be included. We 22 

### are recording our proceedings here today. So be assured 23 

### that your comments will be considered. 24

### The court reporter, sitting to my left, will 25 

### be preparing a transcript of today's proceeding. ThatAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### will be available for anyone who wants to see it. The 2 

### transcript is part of the record and will be included in 3 

### the rulemaking docket. The rulemaking docket is where 4

### EPA collects materials it has considered in its 5 

### rulemaking action, including public comments. 6 

### The docket is available on the Internet for 7 

### review at regulations.gov, or you can view a hard copy 8 

### at EPA's Denver office. Specific instructions for 9 

### accessing the docket are described in the Federal 10 

### Register notice, the proposed rulemaking and on the fact 11 

### sheet that we've made available. The transcript of this 12 

### hearing will also be available in the rulemaking docket. 13 

### Before we begin taking your comments, first 14

### allow me to take a moment to set the stage; that is, to 15 

### explain how the hearing will be run. After I speak, 16 

### Monica Morales will explain the details of the proposed 17 

### action. She will explain EPA's proposed action to 18 

### approve the state SIP, as well as what EPA is proposing 19 

### in its FIP, based on the federal Clean Air Act 20 

### requirements for regional haze. 21 

### I will then call people to speak based on the 22 

### registration card that was filled out when you arrived. 23 

### I will provide the registration card to the court 24

### reporter to assist in the spelling of your name. Please 25 

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### are reading from a written statement, it would be 2 

### helpful, though not required, if you could provide a 3 

### copy of your statement to the court reporter or our 4

### staff at the registration table, after you make your 5 

### remarks. 6 

### Please speak slowly and clearly so the court 7 

### reporter can accurately capture your statement. Also, 8 

### there is space on the back of the registration card for 9 

### providing short written comments if anyone wishes to do 10 

### so. If you are only here to observe, there is no need 11 

### to fill out a registration card. 12 

### I would like to stress that we have quite a 13 

### few people here today. I don't know that everybody 14

### wants to speak, but I want to ensure that everyone has 15 

### the opportunity to speak about the proposed action. To 16 

### that end, please consider, after you have made your 17 

### statement, leaving so that those -- if you look behind 18 

### you, all those people out there are trying to also come 19 

### in and make a statement. So if you could please allow 20 

### them the opportunity and the time to come in, it would 21 

### be greatly appreciated by everyone. 22 

### In order to have things move quickly, I need 23 

### to keep people's comments brief, three minutes or less 24

### at least in the beginning. Please try to be as succinct 25 

### and on point as you can. If I find that we are strayingAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### from the topic at hand, I will interrupt and ask that 2 

### you please return to the issue before us. 3 

### If we have time at the end and everyone has 4

### had a chance to speak, you -- and you have more to say 5 

### then the time you were given, then I'll allow people to 6 

### get back up and finish their comments. 7 

### Also, please know that this first hearing ends 8 

### as five o'clock today. We'll take an hour break and 9 

### we're back here at 6:00. So if you do not have a chance 10 

### to speak and want to come back at six o'clock, you can 11 

### do so. 12 

### Gail Fallon, sitting on the other side of 13 

### Monica, will assist with monitoring speaker times by 14

### raising a yellow card when 30 seconds of time remains 15 

### and raising a pink card when your time has expired. So 16 

### that's how we will proceed. 17 

### We're going to get started here. Next to 18 

### speak will be Monica Morales from EPA. After Monica, 19 

### Bryce Bird from the Utah Department of Environmental 20 

### Quality will speak after her. Thank you. 21 

### MONICA MORALES: Good afternoon. My name is 22 

### Monica Morales. I'm the unit chief for the air quality 23 

### planning unit in EPA's Region 8 office in Denver. As 24

### you heard from Ms. Sutin, this hearing concerns EPA's 25 

### proposed action on a portion of Utah's Regional HazeAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### State Implementation Plan that addresses the 2 

### requirements pertaining to particulate matter and 3 

### nitrogen oxide and visibility impacts, those pollutants 4

### have wilderness areas and national parks, also known as 5 

### Class 1 areas under the Regional Haze Rule. 6 

### Our proposed action was published in the 7 

### Federal Register on January 14, 2016. You should have 8 

### received a regional haze fact sheet when you signed in. 9 

### This fact sheet provides a general background on EPA's 10 

### Regional Haze Rule and explains some of the terms and 11 

### acronyms that will be discussed during the hearing. I 12 

### encourage those of you who are not familiar with the 13 

### Regional Haze Rule to take a look at the fact sheet. We 14

### have also posted the fact sheet on EPA's Region 8 15 

### website. 16 

### The portion of Utah's Regional Haze State 17 

### Implementation Plan or SIP upon which one of EPA's 18 

### proposed action is based includes requirements for 19 

### PacifiCorp's Hunter, Huntington and Carbon coal-fired 20 

### plants. These plants are located in central Utah. 21 

### PacifiCorp operates as Rocky Mountain Power in Utah. 22 

### Our January 14, 2016 rulemaking action 23 

### co-proposes two different approaches. The first 24

### approach fully approves Utah's regional haze SIP, 25 

### addressing the requirements of the Regional Haze RuleAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### under 40 Code of Federal Regulations 51.309(g). And the 2 

### second approach partially approves and partially 3 

### disapproves Utah's regional haze SIP proposing a Federal 4

### Implementation Plan or FIP, for those elements of the 5 

### SIP for which we are proposing disapproval. 6 

### Under our first approach, EPA is proposing to 7 

### fully approve the two Regional Haze SIP revisions 8 

### submitted by Utah in 2015. Specifically, we are 9 

### proposing to approve the following: The state's 10 

### particulate matter best available retrofit technology, 11 

### or what we call BART, determinations for PacifiCorp's 12 

### Hunter Units 1 and 2 and Huntington Units 1 and 2. The 13 

### states's nitrogen oxide BART alternative for 14

### PacifiCorp's Hunter Units 1, 2 and 3, Huntington Units 1 15 

### and 2 and Carbon Units 1 and 2. The state's monitoring, 16 

### recordkeeping and reporting requirements in part H of 17 

### Utah's SIP for the particulate matter BART 18 

### determinations and the nitrogen oxide BART alternative. 19 

### Under our second approach, we are proposing to 20 

### approve only the portion -- portions of the state's SIP 21 

### that pertain to particulate matter BART and the 22 

### associated particulate matter monitoring, recordkeeping 23 

### and reporting requirements for the BART sources. We are 24

### proposing to find that some aspects of the Utah Regional 25 

### Haze SIP are inconsistent with the regulatory andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### statutory requirements. 2 

### As a result, we are proposing to disapprove 3 

### the state's NOx and nitrogen oxygen BART alternative for 4

### PacifiCorp's Hunter Units 1, 2 and 3, Huntington Units 1 5 

### and 2 and Carbon Units 1 and 2, and the associated 6 

### nitrogen oxide monitoring, recordkeeping and reporting 7 

### requirements for the nitrogen oxide BART alternative. 8 

### We are proposing the promulgation of a FIP to 9 

### address the deficiencies in those portions of the 10 

### state's SIP which we are proposing to disapprove. 11 

### The co-proposed FIP includes the following 12 

### elements: NOx BART determinations and emission limits 13 

### for PacifiCorp's Hunter Units 1 and 2 and Huntington 14

### Units 1 and 2, and also the monitoring, recordkeeping 15 

### and reporting requirements applicable to the four BART 16 

### units for which there is a FIP emission limit. 17 

### As part of the public comment process, EPA 18 

### specifically is requesting that interested parties 19 

### provide any additional information or analysis regarding 20 

### the proposed action. For example, modeled visibility 21 

### benefits of the BART alternative compared to BART, and 22 

### whether the interested parties think EPA should consider 23 

### options that differ somewhat from the proposed BART 24

### alternative or the BART control technology option, which 25 

### could be finalized as our FIP if we disapprove the UtahAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### SIP in our final action. 2 

### EPA will consider all public comments and 3 

### information received, including additional options for 4

### control technology and timing, before issuing our final 5 

### action. 6 

### We anticipate that there will be differing 7 

### views regarding the state's BART alternative SIP and 8 

### what course of action EPA should take. This is because 9 

### of the complex nature of the BART alternative, the 10 

### analysis that supports it, consideration of that 11 

### analysis under the statutory regulatory framework and 12 

### the implications of EPA's actions. 13 

### Given these considerations, EPA decided to 14

### solicit comments to support either a proposed action to 15 

### approve the state's SIP in its entirety, or a proposed 16 

### action to partially approve and partially disapprove the 17 

### state SIP and propose a FIP. 18 

### As it has done with other states, EPA would 19 

### work with the state on a revised state plan should a 20 

### partial disapproval and FIP be finalized. If EPA 21 

### finalizes our federal plan and the state finalizes a 22 

### revised plan that adequately addresses regional haze, 23 

### our federal plan could be superseded upon our approval 24

### of the state's revised plan. 25 

### We are accepting written comments for 60 daysAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### after the proposed action was published in the Federal 2 

### Register on January 14th, 2016. Written comments must 3 

### therefore be received by EPA on or before March 14th, 4

### 2016. 5 

### Your comments are encouraged. We will 6 

### consider all comments in finalizing our action on the 7 

### state's Regional Haze Plan and our federal plan. 8 

### Thank you. We appreciate your attendance 9 

### afternoon. And now I'll turn it over to Mr. Bryce Bird 10 

### with the state of Utah as our first commenter. 11 

### BRYCE BIRD: Good afternoon. My name is Bryce 12 

### Bird, B-R-Y-C-E, and B-I-R-D. I am the air quality 13 

### division director of the Utah Department of 14

### Environmental Quality. We appreciate this opportunity 15 

### to comment on EPA's dual proposal to either approve or 16 

### partially approve and disapprove the Utah Regional Haze 17 

### State Implementation Plan. 18 

### Utah supports the EPA's finding that full 19 

### approval of the alternative to BART section of the 20 

### Regional Haze SIP meets all of the requirements of the 21 

### current Clean Air Act and the Regional Haze Rule. We 22 

### also note our support of EPA's finding that the BART 23 

### alternative provides a greater visibility benefit than 24

### BART. 25 

### Throughout the SIP development process, weAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### have worked as regulatory partners, closely and 2 

### extensively with EPA staff, to ensure that Utah's 3 

### alternative to BART SIP revisions met all of the 4

### requirements of the Clean Air Act and was approvable by 5 

### EPA. The EPA should approve of the option that Utah 6 

### developed in close consultation with EPA and not the 7 

### option that Utah was not even aware it was being 8 

### prepared or under consideration until it was signed by 9 

### the regional administrator. 10 

### As the EPA evaluates comments and makes its 11 

### final decision on the Utah SIP submitted, we remind EPA 12 

### that the goal of the Regional Haze Rule, according to 13 

### the Clean Air Act, is the prevention of any future and 14

### the remediating of any existing impairment of visibility 15 

### in mandatory Class 1, federal areas. 16 

### Though we acknowledge that exposure to NOx has 17 

### health impacts, the purpose of this SIP and the Regional 18 

### Haze Rule is to improve visibility. It does not 19 

### establish any health standards. Additionally, we note 20 

### that the region is currently in attainment for all 21 

### health standards, including oxides of nitrogen. 22 

### Preserving and improving visibility at our 23 

### national parks is very important to the state of Utah 24

### and its citizens. That is why Utah has been working for 25 

### decades on this issue. The BART alternative submittedAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### by Utah is just the latest piece of comprehensive 2 

### strategy developed to address regional haze. 3 

### Let me share with you what Utah has done over 4

### the decades to address this issue. Utah's visibility 5 

### protection programs and Utah's prevention of significant 6 

### deterioration programs were adopted in the early 1980s 7 

### to address the visibility goals established in the 1977 8 

### Clean Air Act. 9 

### In the mid 1980s, Utah's Governor Bangerter 10 

### appointed the Task Force on Visibility Protection to 11 

### determine the appropriate level of protection for Utah's 12 

### Class 1 areas, and to determine sources of impairment of 13 

### visibility in those areas. After more than a year of 14

### investigation, the task force recommended that all Utah 15 

### Class 1 areas needed protection, and the biggest cause 16 

### of visibility impairment is not an individual industrial 17 

### source, but rather regional haze from a multitude of 18 

### sources that is transported over long distances. 19 

### In 1991 EPA established the Grand Canyon 20 

### Visibility Transport Commission as required by the 1990 21 

### Clean Air Act. Utah's Governor Bangerter was the vice 22 

### chair of the commission, and Utah was an active 23 

### participant in this process. 24

### In 1996, the commission finalized a 25 

### comprehensive series of recommendations that addressedAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### the multiple emission sources and pollutants that 2 

### contributed to regional haze on the Colorado Plateau. 3 

### These recommendations were the basis of Utah's Regional 4

### Haze SIP. 5 

### Utah was an active participant in the Western 6 

### Regional Air Partnership. That was the follow-up 7 

### organization to the Grand Canyon Visibility Transport 8 

### Commission. Utah's Governor Leavitt co-chaired the 9 

### Western Regional Air Partnership, and Utah 10 

### representatives were cochairs or members of many of the 11 

### WRAP's forums. 12 

### The WRAP established an extensive 13 

### stakeholder-based process to further develop the Grand 14

### Canyon Visibility Transport Commission's recommendations 15 

### and to improve the technical understanding of the causes 16 

### of regional haze in the western states. They used these 17 

### recommendations and the technical understanding to 18 

### develop effective strategies to improve visibility to 19 

### Class 1 areas throughout the West. Throughout this 20 

### process, Utah has worked closely with the National Park 21 

### Service, the EPA and other western states. 22 

### Utah's Regional Haze SIP was focused on 23 

### reducing emissions of sulfur dioxide from stationary 24

### sources because sulfur dioxide is the most significant 25 

### anthropogenic pollutant contributing to the haze on theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Colorado Plateau. The SIP was adopted five years 2 

### earlier than was required for the rest of the country 3 

### due to the significant work in Utah, that Utah, EPA and 4

### federal land managers and other stakeholders had done 5 

### together to address the visibility on the Colorado 6 

### Plateau through the Grand Canyon Visibility Transport 7 

### Commission. 8 

### The current control strategies in the state's 9 

### Regional Haze SIP have improved visibility at the 10 

### federal Class 1 areas in the state, and have also 11 

### benefitted Class 1 areas outside of Utah that might be 12 

### impacted by emissions from Utah and met all requirements 13 

### of the first planning period. 14

### The emissions reduction strategies in Utah's 15 

### Regional Haze SIP have been implemented and are 16 

### effective. The State of Utah has developed the Utah 17 

### Smoke Management Plan that provides operating procedures 18 

### for federal and state agencies that use prescribed fire, 19 

### wildfire and wildland fire on federal, state and private 20 

### lands in Utah. Mobile oxide nitrogen emissions have 21 

### decreased state-wide in line with the level of 22 

### reductions in the four main urban counties of Weber, 23 

### Davis, Salt Lake and Utah where emissions are projected 24

### to decrease by 42,000 tons per year, or 61 percent by 25 

### 2018 from 2002 levels.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### It is important to point out that even greater 2 

### initial reductions will be achieved by 2018 than have 3 

### been anticipated in the Utah Regional Haze SIP due to 4

### federal Tier 3 rule and vehicle standards that were 5 

### adopted in 2014. The alternative to BART measures 6 

### included the proposed revision of Utah's -- in the 7 

### proposed revision of Utah's SIP will have decreased SO2 8 

### emissions by 27,947 tons and NOx emissions by 15,258 9 

### tons from the 2002 levels by 2015. 10 

### The Grand Canyon Visibility Transport 11 

### Commission set a goal of achieving 10 percent of 12 

### electrical generation from renewable sources by 2005 and 13 

### 20 percent by 2015. Significant progress has been 14

### achieved toward meeting these regional goals. Thirteen 15 

### percent of electricity generation in Utah was from 16 

### renewable resources in 2012, and significant new 17 

### resources are currently under construction. 18 

### In summation, Utah's Regional Haze SIP 19 

### reflects the state's commitment to improve visibility 20 

### and focus on the strategies that will provide the best 21 

### benefit to visibility in Class 1 areas. 22 

### As I've already mentioned, Utah has achieved 23 

### significant reductions in haze-causing pollutants. 24

### While the visibility modeling predicted a significant 25 

### improvement in visibility due to emissions reductionsAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### made during the current planning period, there has not 2 

### been an equivalent actual improvement in visibility at 3 

### mandatory Class 1 areas. Based on actual observations, 4

### it appears that the current model consistently 5 

### over-predicts the visibility benefits. 6 

### Therefore, the actual monitored data should be 7 

### considered more heavily than modelling when determining 8 

### the efficiency of visibility controls. However, due -- 9 

### however, to the extent that the model can be relied 10 

### upon, we note that the alternate BART scenario shows a 11 

### greater improvement to regional visibility than 12 

### requiring selective catalytic reduction to control 13 

### oxides of nitrogen on the Huntington and Hunter subject 14

### to BART units. 15 

### EPA's second proposed action to finalize the 16 

### Federal Implementation Plan states that averaging the 17 

### number of days with impacts greater than 1.0 deciview 18 

### across all affected Class 1 areas is not a relevant 19 

### metric. The proposal further states that because of 20 

### averaging, the results for the total number of days with 21 

### impacts of -- sorry -- over 1.0 deciview on Class 1 22 

### area-by-area basis are not clear in supporting the BART 23 

### alternative. 24

### EPA has applied the average impairment metric 25 

### consistently in other states, as allowed by the regionalAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### haze rules, and should do so in this case. Furthermore, 2 

### averaging visibility improvement is the best way to 3 

### measure it because it counts each Class 1 area as equal. 4

### An evaluation that claims improvements at some sites are 5 

### greater under BART versus the alternative gives more 6 

### importance to one Class 1 area over another. 7 

### In its FIP proposal, the EPA states that it is 8 

### not appropriate to combine all three pollutants in the 9 

### annual emissions comparison test. However, an 10 

### evaluation that considers each pollutant individually 11 

### gives great weight to one pollutant over another and is 12 

### contrary to the stated goal to improve visibility. 13 

### Under Utah's proposed alternative to BART 14

### scenario, two of the three haze-causing pollutants, 15 

### sulfur dioxide and the PM10 are reduced more than under 16 

### the BART scenario. Therefore, the overall pollution 17 

### reduction is greater under Utah's alternative to BART 18 

### scenario. 19 

### Our monitoring data indicate that ammonia is 20 

### the limiting factor in the formation of nitrate and 21 

### sulfate. Therefore, reducing nitrogen oxide and sulfur 22 

### dioxide emissions is not anticipated to have a 23 

### corresponding improvement to visibility. Because the 24

### visibility modeling used a much higher value for ammonia 25 

### than is actually present, this could explain theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### discrepancy between the model's over-prediction and the 2 

### lack of measured visibility improvement. 3 

### In EPA's dual proposal, the EPA is considering 4

### two options, the first being approval of the Utah 5 

### Regional Haze SIP. The second will be a partial 6 

### disapproval of the SIP and imposition of a FIP or 7 

### Federal Implementation Plan that requires selective 8 

### catalytic reduction on the Hunter and Huntington units. 9 

### Because Utah has already implemented controls 10 

### under the first option, imposing a FIP under the second 11 

### option would effectively require all controls from both 12 

### options. The cost effectiveness of this option to 13 

### partially disapprove the Utah SIP and impose a FIP 14

### should be evaluated based on the cost to implement all 15 

### controls from the beginning to the end of the current 16 

### planning period. The visibility benefit of the cost of 17 

### controls should factor heavily in EPA's justification 18 

### for requiring SCR. 19 

### A simple reliance on NOx emissions reductions 20 

### and questionable cost estimates to install the controls 21 

### results in imposed cost without corresponding visibility 22 

### benefits and should be rejected as not meeting the 23 

### stated goal to improve visibility. 24

### The precedent established by imposing a FIP 25 

### after the controls required in the SIP were alreadyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### installed will provide interest to current and future 2 

### SIP development processes. Based on this action, no 3 

### SIP-affected source would ever begin to design or 4

### install any SIP-required control measure until after the 5 

### SIP was fully approved by the EPA. 6 

### The EPA's proposal to partially disapprove of 7 

### the Regional Haze SIP is based on an analysis that 8 

### accounts for conditions as they are currently. This is 9 

### inconsistent with the Regional Haze Rule which requires 10 

### all options to be evaluated from beginning of the 11 

### current planning period. This is the standard that was 12 

### required for Utah. We respectfully request that EPA 13 

### adhere to the same standard. 14

### The EPA acknowledges that in the proposed -- 15 

### in the proposal to approve that the controls required by 16 

### the Utah Regional Haze SIP are installed and therefore 17 

### meet the requirement that all necessary emissions 18 

### reductions take place during the period of the first 19 

### long-term strategy for regional haze. 20 

### The EPA states in its proposed FIP that 21 

### installation SCR or the BART controls would be fully 22 

### implemented between to 2019 and 2021. According to the 23 

### Regional Haze Rule, this is not allowed as it is past 24

### the end of the current planning period. 25 

### Throughout the current planning period, UtahAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### has worked closely and in good faith with the EPA and 2 

### federal land managers to evaluate and implement 3 

### appropriate controls for improving visibility. Up to 4

### the point of the current proposal, the EPA has indicated 5 

### to Utah that the alternative to BART approach and 6 

### analysis was acceptable. 7 

### The state will continue to evaluate the legal, 8 

### technical and procedural elements of EPA's proposal and 9 

### will follow up this testimony with detailed written 10 

### comments following the review and prior to the end of 11 

### the comment period. 12 

### Again, we appreciate the opportunity to 13 

### provide comments on EPA's proposals. We strongly urge 14

### you to fully approve the Utah alternative to BART SIP as 15 

### demonstration as contained in first proposal and 16 

### withdraw from consideration the second proposal to 17 

### finalize the Federal Implementation Plan because it is 18 

### not necessary to achieve the requirements of the Clean 19 

### Air Act or the Regional Haze Rule. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Bird. 22 

### Okay. We're going to get started with the 23 

### rest of the commenters. Our first commenter will be 24

### Bill Lawson from PacifiCorp Rocky Mountain Power. I 25 

### want folks to know that PacifiCorp combined their timeAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### of several people who wanted to comment. So their 2 

### comments will be a little bit longer, about five and a 3 

### half minutes. But most people will have three minutes. 4

### Thank you, Mr. Lawson. 5 

### BILL LAWSON: Good afternoon. My name is 6 

### Bill, B-I-L-L, Lawson, L-A-W-S-O-N. I'm the director of 7 

### Rocky Mountain Power's Environmental Services Group, 8 

### which is responsible for administering environmental 9 

### rules and regulations at all of our thermal electric 10 

### generating facilities, including coal, natural gas, and 11 

### geothermal. 12 

### Rocky Mountain Power and its customers have a 13 

### vested interest in the outcome of this ruling, as it 14

### will significantly impact the costs and operation of 15 

### Rocky Mountain Power's Hunter Unit 1, Hunter Unit 2, 16 

### Huntington Unit 1 and Huntington Unit 2 located in Emery 17 

### County, Utah. These impacts will not only be felt by 18 

### Rocky Mountain Power and our customers, but also by 19 

### Deseret Power Electric Cooperative, Utah Associated 20 

### Municipal Power Systems, and Utah Municipal Power Agency 21 

### due to their partial ownership in the Hunter plant. 22 

### I appreciate the opportunity I have today to 23 

### comment, and will follow up these comments with more 24

### detailed written comments at a later date. 25 

### Rocky Mountain Power supports Option 1 ofAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### EPA's proposed rule and believes that Option 2 is not 2 

### legally sustainable. The State of Utah completed a 3 

### rigorous public process to develop its Regional Haze SIP 4

### in accordance with EPA's rules. Given the flexibility 5 

### provided states under those rules, for states to develop 6 

### and implement their own regional haze programs, the very 7 

### fact that EPA developed an analysis and rationale in 8 

### support of Utah's SIP is reason enough to accept it as 9 

### written. 10 

### However, in light of the EPA's request for 11 

### additional input, I provide the following. First, 12 

### following -- some imply that Option 1 is a do-nothing 13 

### plan. This is simply not true. Since 2007 Rocky 14

### Mountain Power has taken the following actions as 15 

### required by Utah's Regional Haze SIP, which is reflected 16 

### as EPA's Option 1. 17 

### In 2007, we installed low NOx burners, a 18 

### sulfur dioxide scrubber and a bag house on Huntington 19 

### Unit 2. In 2008, we installed low NOx burners on Hunter 20 

### Unit 3. In 2011, we installed low NOx burners, sulfur 21 

### dioxide scrubber upgrades and a bag house on -- 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: I'm sorry, Mr. Lawson, 23 

### I hate to interrupt. We need to have the door -- people 24

### at the door not speaking so loudly we can't hear. Thank 25 

### you. Go ahead, Mr. Lawson.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### BILL LAWSON: In 2011, we installed low NOx 2 

### burners, sulfur dioxide scrubber upgrades and a bag 3 

### house on Huntington Unit 1. 4

### In 2012, we installed low NOx burners, 5 

### scrubber upgrades and a bag house on Hunter Unit 2. 6 

### In 2014, we installed low NOx burners, 7 

### scrubber upgrades and a bag house on Hunter Unit 1. And 8 

### in 2015, we closed the Carbon plant and removed it from 9 

### service. 10 

### Those significant capital costs projects have 11 

### cost over half billion dollars, and their visibility 12 

### benefits started being realized back in 2007. EPA 13 

### itself has projected that the -- that these projects 14

### that have been installed on these BART-eligible units 15 

### will reduce emissions of SO2 and nitrogen oxides by more 16 

### than 19,000 tons between 2012 and 2018. 17 

### And the remissions reductions associated with 18 

### the retirement of the Carbon plant, and the installation 19 

### of low NOx burners on Hunter Unit 3, will add an 20 

### additional 12,500 tons of annual emission reductions. 21 

### Moreover, the regional haze program is not 22 

### designated -- or is not designed to require that all 23 

### possible controls be installed immediately during the 24

### first planning period. Rather, it's a long-term 25 

### program, and Rocky Mountain Power will be an activeAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### participant in all phases of that program. 2 

### Second, Option 1 has been fully implemented in 3 

### accordance with the BART requirements. EPA's 4

### coproposals do not represent an either/or alternative as 5 

### the proposed rule implies. If EPA chooses to impose 6 

### Option 2, it will require both Option 1 and Option 2. 7 

### This is not an allowable approach under the proposal to 8 

### implement one option or the other. 9 

### Third, Option 1 produces greater reasonable 10 

### progress at significantly lower costs than Option 2. 11 

### Under EPA's rules, the State of Utah was required to 12 

### compare its alternative measure SIP against the most 13 

### stringent NOx control technology and emission limits as 14

### BART. Utah in fact did this and properly concluded that 15 

### Option 1 not only produces greater reasonable progress, 16 

### including lowering emissions and improved visibility, 17 

### but it does so at the total capital cost savings of over 18 

### 700 million dollars to electric customers. 19 

### In other words, the alternative measure 20 

### proposed by the State achieves visibility improvements 21 

### than would be achieved by requiring selective catalytic 22 

### reduction at these four units. And it does so at a 23 

### significant lower cost. 24

### The importance of this cannot be overstated. 25 

### This presents a classic win-win scenario. VisibilityAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### proponents win because the alternative measure results 2 

### in greater reasonable progress, and electric customers 3 

### win because the greater -- that greater reasonable 4

### progress is achieved at a much lower cost than 5 

### installing the additional controls. 6 

### In summary, EPA should approve Option 1 7 

### because one, it complies with EPA's Regional Haze Rules 8 

### as EPA itself has concluded. Two, it has already been 9 

### fully implemented. Three, it provides the required 10 

### visibility improvements; and four, it saves over 700 11 

### million dollars in total capital costs to electric 12 

### customers while still achieving greater reasonable 13 

### progress. 14

### Rocky Mountain Power encourages the EPA to 15 

### approve Option 1 and accept Utah's Regional Haze 16 

### Implementation Plan as proposed. Thank you. 17 

### (Applause). 18 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. All right. 19 

### Now, next if we can have Karin Madsem. I am going to 20 

### have to ask folks -- there are a lot of people here, and 21 

### we want to make sure everyone who wants to be here can 22 

### be here. But I also want people to feel like they could 23 

### testify comfortably and not being intimidated. So if 24

### there are any kinds of distractions, I am going to have 25 

### to ask people to leave. So please be respectful of allAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### of those folks who are testifying today. Thank you. 2 

### KARIN MADSEM: Good afternoon. My name is 3 

### Karin Madsem, K-A-R-I-N, M-A-D-S-E-M. 4

### I was born, raised and lived in Carbon County 5 

### for 30 years. I'm an environmental engineering 6 

### technician for four of our local coal mines. My 7 

### father's worked his entire career at the power plant, 8 

### and my husband is a coal miner. 9 

### Some of the people here today, who have not 10 

### spoken yet, are in support of over-regulating our 11 

### coal-fired power plant because you are under the 12 

### delusion they are causing ungodly amounts of pollution 13 

### and haze, threatening your skies, your lungs and your 14

### livelihood. 15 

### Let me tell you something about livelihood. 16 

### Our livelihood, the livelihood of citizens of Carbon and 17 

### Emery counties, the citizens who took the entire day to 18 

### get here to attend this meeting that's being held in 19 

### Salt Lake City, 150 miles away from the communities this 20 

### rule would impact, communities who work hard every day 21 

### to provide you all with reliable and cost-effective 22 

### coal-fired power, the same coal-fired power that this 23 

### rule aims to destroy. 24

### The regional -- I disapprove of the Regional 25 

### Haze Rule because it claims that these power plants areAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### producing enough pollution to impact Utah's air in the 2 

### national parks. This is ludicrous. This meeting was 3 

### held here today with the ulterior motive of wanting 4

### people to believe the haze here in the city is the 5 

### result of these power plants, but simply is not. 6 

### Data found on EPA's own website clearly shows 7 

### the haze you all see when you walk outside this building 8 

### is caused by vehicles and not by power plants. It's 9 

### clearly not our power plants. 10 

### Feel free to visit any one of Utah's national 11 

### parks and see for yourself the beautiful sky, clean 12 

### fresh air and clear clean waters. On your way you might 13 

### get to drive through Carbon and Emery County and take a 14

### big deep breath of some of the cleanest air you'll ever 15 

### come across. 16 

### Federal operations is becoming more of a 17 

### problem. The lies and half truths used to push the 18 

### anti-coal agenda is a disappointment. If not careful, 19 

### we'll be over-regulated into a corner we won't be able 20 

### to get out of. Thank you. 21 

### (Applause). 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Ms. Madsem. 23 

### Next if we could Phillip Jensen. 24

### PHILLIP JENSEN: Good afternoon. My name is 25 

### Phillip Jensen. P-H-I-L-L-I-P, J-E-N-S-E-N. I'd likeAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### to thank you for the opportunity to speak today. 2 

### I have lived in Carbon County, Utah for the 3 

### majority of my 45 years. I am an engineering tech 4

### working with permitting and environmental quality issues 5 

### at Utah American Energy Incorporated. But I speak for 6 

### myself today. 7 

### In opening, I find it disgraceful that we are 8 

### having this hearing with such short public notice on a 9 

### weekday, and over 120 miles away from the very 10 

### communities that you are trying to decimate. Is that so 11 

### you don't have to face these people? You cowards. 12 

### I can only hope that this inquisition is 13 

### concerned with facts and not beliefs, feelings or 14

### contrived data. Fact, the prevailing winds of the 15 

### United States are westerly, which generally blows from 16 

### the west to the east and northeast. Fact, these two 17 

### power plants, Huntington and Hunter, that we are 18 

### discussing, are located north and northwest of Utah's 19 

### national parks. 20 

### In order for the plant's emissions to reach 21 

### these parks, they would have to travel contrary to the 22 

### prevailing winds, which is physically not possible. 23 

### Therefore, these two power plants are not the likely 24

### sources of the haze that we are discussing today, as the 25 

### EPA is stating they are. That source of haze is mostAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### likely from outside the state of Utah. 2 

### According to the EPA's own website, 2001 -- 3 

### 2011 data is the latest I could find. I find that very 4

### curious. But according to the EPA's website, southern 5 

### California vehicles alone produce over 10 times the 6 

### amount of the NOx emissions than these two power plants 7 

### currently do combined. And the prevailing winds are in 8 

### a direct line between southern California and Utah's 9 

### national parks. When you add Clark County, Nevada, that 10 

### equals 12 times the amount of NOx emissions. 11 

### Now, how can we prove that this comes from 12 

### southern California? Any time there's a storm in Los 13 

### Angeles, it always, almost always goes right through 14

### southern Utah and our national parks. Furthermore, any 15 

### time there's a wildfire in California, Utah is assailed 16 

### by that smoke. And just for comparison purposes, 17 

### according to the EPA's website again, Salt Lake County 18 

### produces more NOx emissions from vehicles than these two 19 

### carbon -- than these two coal-fired power plants 20 

### currently do. 21 

### Furthermore, again according to EPA's own 22 

### website, vehicles produce over half of the smog-forming 23 

### VOCs, over half of the NOx emissions and about half of 24

### all toxic air emissions. Therefore, coal is not the end 25 

### all boogie man that so many people portray it to be.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### The EPA really needs to look at the reality of 2 

### pollutants and their sources and stop trying to destroy 3 

### these industries. Stop trying to destroy whole 4

### communities and stop trying to destroy the people's 5 

### lives, all for this holier than thou crusade of yours. 6 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Mr. Jensen, your time 7 

### is up. 8 

### PHILLIP JENSEN: Two more things. This is 9 

### intended for political agenda only. Stop it and leave 10 

### the good, hard working people of eastern Utah alone. 11 

### Thank you. 12 

### (Applause). 13 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next if we 14

### can have John Prehn. Sorry if I am not saying that 15 

### right. 16 

### JOHN PREHN: My name is John Prehn, P-R-E-H-N. 17 

### And I am here to support Heal Utah, the Utah Physicians 18 

### For a Healthy Environment and the Sierra Club. 19 

### I support the Clean Parks Plan to 20 

### substantially clean up some of the pollution -- some of 21 

### the pollution generated by coal-burning power plants. 22 

### Utah is a natural jewel. Globally unique. It is being 23 

### degraded by numerous irresponsible industry actions, one 24

### of which is burning coal without emission controls. 25 

### I call on the EPA to impose stricter controls,Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### comparable to those enforced in neighboring western 2 

### states, since our state officials are unwilling to do 3 

### so. 4

### We have learned two things in recent years at 5 

### least. We have enough multi billionaires like Warren 6 

### Buffet. They can afford to clean up their acts. Two, 7 

### we must stop burning coal to produce electricity. Coal 8 

### is a dirty, lethal business from its mining to the 9 

### exhaustion of poisonous chemicals into the atmosphere 10 

### during burning. Until we can transition away from coal, 11 

### we should at least get relatively clean coal, scrubbed 12 

### of some of these chemicals as promised by promoters of 13 

### coal for years now. 14

### This is not a privileged, optional or cosmetic 15 

### issue. Our environment is in crisis. Utah can no 16 

### longer be considered the Wild West where anything goes. 17 

### Thank you. 18 

### (Applause). 19 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Prehn. 20 

### Next, if we could have Dave Levanger. 21 

### DAVE LEVANGER: Hello. My name is Dave 22 

### Levanger, L-E-V-A-N-G-E-R. I'm a director of planning 23 

### for Carbon County, Utah and wish to speak today in 24

### support of the state's implementation plan for regional 25 

### haze; in other words Option 1, in our national parks andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### echo previous comments. 2 

### My understanding is that by being prudent and 3 

### responsible in their planning, along with the 4

### cooperation of PacifiCorp, I am talking about the state 5 

### of Utah, with their planning, and by spending over 500 6 

### million dollars at five power generating stations in our 7 

### area, we have achieved a goal set for reduction of 8 

### nitrous oxide, sulfur dioxide and particulate matter in 9 

### our atmosphere. 10 

### I further understand that by taking the 11 

### approach that has been taken by the state, in the 12 

### electrical generating industry in eastern Utah, our 13 

### electrical power rate payers have saved around 700 14

### million dollars or will save that if they are not forced 15 

### to do Option 2. 16 

### This amounts to economic justice for all of 17 

### our citizens and especially for the poor, who must pay 18 

### for electricity as well. 19 

### I also understand that coal provides nearly 50 20 

### percent of the electrical energy generated in America 21 

### and around 80 percent here in Utah. Our consumers and 22 

### businesses in Utah deserve the lowest cost power they 23 

### can obtain. That keeps us all working. 24

### I maintain that in order to comply with the 25 

### spirit of our system of laws, the EPA should recognizeAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### the real progress that has been made through the 2 

### cooperation of PacifiCorp, the Rocky Mountain Power in 3 

### retrofitting the Hunter plants 1, 2, and 3, and 4

### Huntington plants 1 and 2. 5 

### I would also add that we in Carbon County feel 6 

### that we have already paid the price of the closure of 7 

### the Carbon plants 1 and 2 at Castle Gate which added to 8 

### the reduction of the air pollutants. We see no reason 9 

### for EPA to not accept the achievements already made and 10 

### stay the course with the Utah plan. 11 

### While we can all see that wind and solar, 12 

### along with nuclear energy, will be a part of the future 13 

### of our energy, our best course of action now is to 14

### support the compliant generation of electricity in Emery 15 

### County. And if you don't believe it's nice and clear 16 

### down there, come on down and leave some of your money in 17 

### Carbon on the way. 18 

### (Applause). 19 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next if we 20 

### can have Bill King. 21 

### BILL KING: My name is Bill King. B-I-L-L, 22 

### K-I-N-G. I am a civil engineer for Canyon Fuel Company. 23 

### I want to discuss a little bit about the options that 24

### the EPA has today. 25 

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### faced by the world today, and saving the planet has 2 

### become a household term. You may believe everything you 3 

### hear on the subject is true, or you may have your 4

### doubts. In both cases we are victimized by countless 5 

### myths. 6 

### No doubt, yes, air pollution exists, and yes, 7 

### we do need to do something about it. Therefore, are we 8 

### truly working together to clean Utah's regional haze or 9 

### are we just trying to hinder and shut down industry? 10 

### I have read the reports from EPA concerning 11 

### Utah's Regional Haze State Implementation Plan or SIP 12 

### with respect to the Clean Air Act, and I want to share 13 

### the following. 14

### EPA's evaluation and proposal -- proposed 15 

### approval of Utah's Regional Haze State Implementation 16 

### Plan states: We propose to concur with Utah's findings 17 

### that the BART alternative will achieve greater SO2 and 18 

### PM10 emission reductions and greater aggregate emission 19 

### reductions of all pollutants. We propose to concur with 20 

### Utah's findings that SO2 emission reductions should 21 

### provide visibility benefits in all seasons and that 22 

### sulfate is the largest contributor to visibility 23 

### impairment at the class -- at the affected Class 1 24

### areas. 25 

### Furthermore, we propose to find theseAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### observations suggest that the BART alternative is likely 2 

### to achieve greater reasonable progress, which that is 3 

### what we are after. This importance cannot be 4

### overstated. In other words, the alternate measures in 5 

### the Utah Regional Haze State Implementation Plan 6 

### achieves better visibility and improvements than will be 7 

### achieved by the normal BART plan. 8 

### This presents, as Rocky Mountain Power, said a 9 

### win-win scenario, a win for environment and a win for 10 

### the people for our economy, for our hard-working workers 11 

### through Carbon and through Salt Lake and Utah. Like we 12 

### said, 80 percent of Utah's power comes from coal. It 13 

### will directly affect everyone. 14

### Avoiding the unnecessary major incremental 15 

### compliance expenditures under the EPA's second proposal 16 

### option for NOx emissions, which will not produce 17 

### meaningful visibility improvements above those already 18 

### achieved, is in the best interests of Utah and the 19 

### stakeholders. 20 

### Again, are we truly trying to clean the air or 21 

### are we just trying cripple to industry, jobs and our way 22 

### of life? We need to approve Utah's current Regional 23 

### Haze Implementation Plan. Thank you. 24

### (Applause). 25 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. NextAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Robbie Gray. 2 

### ROBBIE GRAY: Name's Robbie Gray. 3 

### R-O-B-B-I-E, G-R-A-Y. I live in Helper, Utah. Ladies 4

### and gentlemen, thank you for giving me the opportunity 5 

### to speak today. I have worked in the energy industry 6 

### all my adult life. From the oil and gas fields in the 7 

### Uintah Basin, to coal production in Carbon County. 8 

### This work has provided well paying jobs in our 9 

### area, with health and retirement benefits that are fast 10 

### becoming lost in the rest of the state. The coal we 11 

### produce here in our own state keeps electricity rates 12 

### among the lowest in the nation. Even Governor Herbert 13 

### last week said Utah has one of the fastest growing job 14

### markets in the nation. 15 

### The state of Utah has very capable people that 16 

### introduced the SIP plan to balance air quality with 17 

### consumer rates and cost to Rocky Mountain Power. 18 

### I live in Helper, Utah where the Castle Gate 19 

### Power Plant was shut down last year. It is very 20 

### apparent what this has done to our local economy. The 21 

### job loss to local vendors, to highly skilled workers 22 

### that rebuild these plants, welders, pipe fitters, 23 

### electrical workers, the list is long. My wife is a 24

### manager for two local convenience stores in Helper, and 25 

### she tells of the immediate effect this plant closing hasAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### done to our local economy. 2 

### Putting unreasonable and unobtainable cost 3 

### restrictions on these power plants with little or no 4

### gain in air quality is not in the best interest for the 5 

### state of Utah. With overreaching current EPA plans on 6 

### air quality, we will see adverse growth and the fallout 7 

### that will surely come with the EPA's plan. We will see 8 

### higher unemployment. We will see lower quality of life. 9 

### We will see higher crime rates. Along with that comes 10 

### higher drug use. These are some of the things that we 11 

### have to look at. 12 

### What does this have to do with the state's SIP 13 

### plan? Let Utah take care of this with their very 14

### capable division of air quality. We can and will solve 15 

### these issues without the federal EPA involvement. Thank 16 

### you for listening. Thank you for this opportunity. 17 

### (Applause). 18 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Gray. 19 

### Next, if we can have Marry McGann. 20 

### MARRY McGANN: My name is Marry McGann. 21 

### M-A-R-R-Y, M-C capital G-A-N-N. I live in Moab, Utah 22 

### which is located in Grand County. I am an elected 23 

### member of the Grand County Council. Today I am speaking 24

### to you as a citizen, not as a council representative. I 25 

### appreciate this opportunity to address the EPA on thisAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### important issue. 2 

### Should the state of Utah be required to use 3 

### the Clean Parks Plan, which implements the best possible 4

### technology for controlling nitrogen oxide emissions at 5 

### the Hunter and Huntington coal power plants? The Clean 6 

### Park Plan would reduce the emissions of nitrogen oxide 7 

### by two thirds. Or should Utah be allowed to continue 8 

### letting these coal power plants release large quantities 9 

### of nitrogen oxide into the air? 10 

### For eight years in a row, Utah takes the top 11 

### ranking for the best economic outlook in the nation. A 12 

### state with this type of economic outlook does not need 13 

### nor deserve a pass on using the best technology 14

### available for controlling nitrogen oxide emission. 15 

### The state of Utah has the ability to support 16 

### the Hunter and Huntington power plants financially so 17 

### that the plants can afford to implement the best 18 

### technology possible. Utah can afford this, and its 19 

### citizen and visitors deserve the best quality air 20 

### protection possible. 21 

### The EPA site states current scientific 22 

### evidence links short-term nitrogen oxide exposure with 23 

### adverse respiratory effects. It would be reckless of 24

### the EPA to give a state that can well afford the extra 25 

### cost of installing the best available technology a passAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### on not using that technology. 2 

### As I stated earlier, I live in Moab, Utah, 3 

### which is located next to two magnificent national parks, 4

### Arches and Canyonlands, and an amazing state park, Dead 5 

### Horse Point. The Hunter and Huntington coal power 6 

### plants contribute to the increased haze in these 7 

### remarkable parks. The recreational value of Grand 8 

### County's land contributes to the state -- strength of 9 

### Utah's economic outlook. This resource must be 10 

### protected. 11 

### The state of Utah can help these plants. They 12 

### do not have to carry the burden themselves. We can 13 

### protect the jobs and the environment. We do not need to 14

### choose. 15 

### Please protect Utah's health, environment and 16 

### tourist industry. Require Utah to implement the Clean 17 

### Park Plan. Thank you very much. 18 

### (Applause). 19 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Miss 20 

### McGann. Next, Rick Fredrickson. 21 

### RICK FREDRICKSON: My name is Rick 22 

### Fredrickson. R-I-C-K, F-R-E-D-R-I-C-K-S-O-N. I want to 23 

### first thanks for the -- giving me a few minutes of your 24

### time to speak in behalf of myself and some of my fellow 25 

### coworkers. After reading about this hearing and I feltAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### it was important for me to stand here and speak on the 2 

### issue. 3 

### You look at what the PacifiCorp has already 4

### done. They met or exceeded the expectations for this 5 

### issue by the EPA on their own standard. Now EPA wants 6 

### more. In whose interest? Is that in the public's 7 

### interest or in the government's interest? I feel the 8 

### U.S. government isn't for the general population any 9 

### more. It's obvious if you watch the debates that are 10 

### going on now for the presidential race. 11 

### I was in city council for two four-year terms 12 

### in Moroni. As a council, we tried to do what was best 13 

### for the people of our community, not for us 14

### individually. We don't see this in the U.S. government 15 

### today. So what is best for our people? 16 

### Sanpete is already the lowest income per 17 

### capita in the state of Utah. By doing what EPA wants 18 

### strategically, closing our coal mines, it would 19 

### devastate our communities in many ways economically. 20 

### Hundreds or thousands of jobs directly or indirectly 21 

### would be impacted by this. 22 

### Our local stores would suffer or close. The 23 

### banking institutes would be hit with foreclosures, 24

### bankruptcy, defaults on loans. Unemployment would go 25 

### sky high. Crime goes up with unemployment. So doesAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### drug usage and alcoholism. It would put only -- it 2 

### would not -- it would put not only Sanpete but Carbon, 3 

### Emery and other counties in a financial whirlwind. 4

### Price would become a ghost town. 5 

### I have lived in Sanpete 40 of my 54 years. I 6 

### choose to live here because it is a great place to raise 7 

### a family. I have spent a lot of time in our state's 8 

### national parks in the mountains and valleys surrounding 9 

### us. The only place I have personally witnessed this 10 

### so-called haze is in Utah and Salt Lake counties farther 11 

### north. 12 

### This hearing does not address the real issue 13 

### of haze. We as people, not -- need to stand up and do 14

### our part and let the U.S. government -- instead of 15 

### letting the U.S. government take over. Our state has 16 

### done wonders to try to help and cooperate with the U.S. 17 

### government, and we have to choose this today if we can 18 

### afford -- if this kind of stuff keeps going on, we are 19 

### going to have to choose whether we have electricity or 20 

### whether we have food on our tables. 21 

### In short, I ask that the EPA does what's right 22 

### for Utah. Let the state make its own rules with your 23 

### recommendations. We need to back PacifiCorp for what 24

### they have done. They have put a lot of effort into 25 

### following your own rules to stop this so-called haze.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Instead of punishing all of us for the EPA's 2 

### hidden interest to close all the coal mines down, we 3 

### need to look hard and as a state make these decisions on 4

### our own and not let them come from the nation's capital. 5 

### In close, I'd just like to say thanks for the 6 

### time and do the right thing. 7 

### (Applause). 8 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 9 

### Mr. Fredrickson. Next, Caroline, I'm sorry, I'm having 10 

### a hard time reading your last name, Gleith. 11 

### CAROLINE GLEITH: Gleith. 12 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Sorry about that. 13 

### MS. GLEITH: Thank you. Hello. My name is 14

### Caroline Gleith. That's C-A-R-O-L-I-N-E. Last name, G 15 

### as in George, L-E-I-T-H. I am a professional skier and 16 

### outdoor adventurer based here in Utah. I travel all 17 

### around the world to pursue human-powered outdoor 18 

### recreation. When I meet people and tell them where I am 19 

### from, I'm tired of having to defend my decision to call 20 

### Utah home. 21 

### It seems the world knows two different Utahs, 22 

### the Utah that is the most beautiful place, and the Utah 23 

### that is known for its outdated energy portfolio, dirty 24

### air and exploitation of natural resources. 25 

### I love to rock climb, hike, and camp andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### recreate in Utah's national parks. I have seen the haze 2 

### generated from coal-burning power plants over Arches 3 

### National Park, obstructing the scenic views of the 4

### surrounding red rock. The haze is not only dampening 5 

### people's respect for Utah and their travel plans here, 6 

### it's endangering our health. 7 

### We need to clean up the air to keep our 8 

### tourism and outdoor industries vibrantly growing. 9 

### Utah's outdoor recreation industry generates 12.2 10 

### billion dollars annually. Coal plants in Colorado, 11 

### Arizona and New Mexico have already installed these 12 

### controls. 13 

### When people are deciding where to go on 14

### vacation, the reputation of a state matters. The 15 

### outdoor consumer is savvy and well educated. They want 16 

### to invest in places and companies that care about the 17 

### health of people and the environment. 18 

### I choose to make Utah my home, and I consider 19 

### myself an ambassador to the state. It's important to me 20 

### to make sure our tourist economy stays vibrant and that 21 

### Utah air stays clean so our national parks remain 22 

### iconic. 23 

### I urge the EPA to order Utah's coal power 24

### plants to install state-of-the-art pollution control 25 

### technologies and to choose the plan that will do theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### most to clean up our air and protect the Utah that I 2 

### love and enjoy. Thank you very much. 3 

### (Applause). 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, Brody Leven. 5 

### BRODY LEVEN: Hi. I'm Brody Leven. That's 6 

### B-R-O-D-Y, L-E-V-E-N.com is my website, if you're 7 

### interested. You know what, I spend a lot of time 8 

### outside because as a professional adventurer, 9 

### professional skier, that is my office. Not this. I 10 

### should be out there today. 11 

### But that's new. Until recently my office was, 12 

### like many other people's, behind a computer. And it 13 

### doesn't matter if I am going outside for work or for 14

### pleasure, nothing has changed insofar as I moved to Utah 15 

### nine years ago because of the natural environment, not 16 

### for a job. 17 

### My friends and I are the people that this is 18 

### truly hitting. Because our livelihoods, like some of 19 

### the other peoples, depend on clean, clear air and 20 

### abundant recreational tourism. But we are also the 21 

### people making Utah home throughout the state. We are 22 

### taxpayers and homeowners. We're young entrepreneurs. 23 

### We patronize your businesses. We shop locally. We 24

### graduate from Utah colleges with Utah debt in Utah 25 

### banks.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### We also make annual pilgrimages to EPA and to 2 

### the White House to explain the vital importance and 3 

### economic viability of clean clear air. 4

### The nature of my work allows me to live 5 

### anywhere in the world, but I have chosen to make my home 6 

### here in Utah, like everyone else in this room. But this 7 

### luxury is in jeopardy. This isn't about another powder 8 

### day of skiing or another fun rock climb. 9 

### It's about the tourism-choked economy that so 10 

### many of us live in being drained of its vitality, about 11 

### the inexplicable freedom of exploring natural national 12 

### parks being ripped from our children by unwanted and 13 

### unhealthy haze. And without adequately stringent 14

### attention and regulation on our primitive coal-fired 15 

### power plants, we, and the EPA, are inviting a ruined 16 

### right to co-exist with nature, and we have only 17 

### ourselves to blame. 18 

### Personally, I am embarrassed by a need to be 19 

### here today. But it exists. I am ashamed that the state 20 

### that I have chosen to adopt as my home, like everyone 21 

### else in this room, has become the laughing stock of the 22 

### tourism, recreation and outdoor community. 23 

### I consistently speak to national, 24

### international media. Let me repeat that. I 25 

### consistently speak to national and international mediaAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### about living in Utah. And my decision to live here is 2 

### constantly being questioned. We are ambassadors for the 3 

### state. What happens when people stop coming to Utah and 4

### its threatened public lands because of our inability and 5 

### indifference? 6 

### The haze has dampened the public's respect for 7 

### Utah and the tourism dollars that they bring here. The 8 

### youth cares. Let's fix it now. Let's fix it before 9 

### it's too late. 10 

### Because I don't know if you guys realize how 11 

### our generation and our jobs work, but this video that 12 

### Caroline's taking will be online in the next five 13 

### minutes, and there will be hundreds of thousands of 14

### people, primarily tourists, watching this video from 15 

### around the world as they consider their choice of where 16 

### to move or visit. 17 

### Let's stop the embarrassment. Let's stop the 18 

### economic suffering. There's a solution that we can all 19 

### agree on. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, Sarah Fields. 22 

### SARAH FIELDS: My name is Sarah Fields. 23 

### S-A-R-A-H, F, as in Frank, I-E-L-D-S. Thank you for the 24

### opportunity to speak, though I do wish that the 25 

### department division of air quality had made a betterAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### effort to work with the EPA to get a better venue where 2 

### there would have been seats for everyone and no 3 

### distracting noise in the hall. 4

### I live in southeast Utah. I live in Moab. I 5 

### am a PacifiCorp paying customer. I support Option 2. I 6 

### believe, as some other speakers have expressed, that we 7 

### should have the maximum amount of pollution controls in 8 

### the coal-fired power plants in Utah. And there are a 9 

### number of reasons for that. 10 

### There's the reason for health, and also 11 

### there's a reason of cumulative impacts. Earlier this 12 

### year -- well, in late last year, I had the need to drive 13 

### up to Price to deliver some documents, and the pollution 14

### in Green River and the pollution in Price was very high. 15 

### And that was probably because of the fires in other 16 

### states. 17 

### So when you are looking at compliance with 18 

### Utah at a certain level, when there is no -- a lot of 19 

### pollution isn't coming from other areas, you are not 20 

### really dealing with what often is happening throughout 21 

### the year because of winds, because of fires, because of 22 

### other sources of pollution. 23 

### So if we can use our laws, our regulatory 24

### authority to bring those pollution levels as -- down, 25 

### then it means when we do have fires, that we do haveAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### uncontrolled sources of pollution, it won't be as 2 

### hazardous. 3 

### Also, a few -- I believe and agree with one of 4

### the speakers that you should have had hearings in 5 

### southeast Utah, in Carbon County, in Orem, in Utah 6 

### County. Because whatever decisions that you are going 7 

### to make primarily impacts the people in that area. 8 

### Something else. Oh, as far as jobs, I don't 9 

### think this is an anti-coal miner issue. PacifiCorp is a 10 

### very well-to-do corporation. It has a lot of money. 11 

### And I am sure that they have the funds available to put 12 

### in pollution -- additional pollution control. 13 

### (Applause). 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Miss 15 

### Fields. Next. If we can have Jake Mellor, Mellon? 16 

### JAKE MELLOR: It's Jake Mellor, M-E-L-L-O-R. 17 

### I have the fortunate opportunity or curse to be the 18 

### Carbon County commissioner. I don't -- I say a curse in 19 

### congeniality, because honestly, we do live in Paradise 20 

### down there. I, in good favor, tell everybody come on 21 

### down to Paradise, Price and we'll show you what clean 22 

### air really looks like. 23 

### Honestly, it is interesting and it is sad that 24

### we have to on a weekday leave our work and leave our 25 

### area to come and defend our livelihood. And to come andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### express to you the importance of where we are. 2 

### It would be much more self-explanatory if you 3 

### would just visit with us the areas that are affected by 4

### these rulings, and as many have already, invite you to 5 

### come to our place where we call home to, where we call 6 

### paradise and see what tourism and see what amazing 7 

### things we're able to do all together at one time. 8 

### There's been several comments made, several 9 

### good points. I'd like to just talk about cooperation. 10 

### I'd like to talk about redundancy. I'd like to talk 11 

### about the EPA's role, and I'd like to talk about what we 12 

### do in Carbon and Emery and eastern Utah. 13 

### First of all, jobs, economy, clear skies, 14

### clean air, we have all of that where we're at. The 15 

### State of Utah, Bryce Bird, air quality division 16 

### director, he is doing what you proposed to do in a much 17 

### more efficient way. 18 

### And I say that because he's here with boots on 19 

### the ground. It is much easier for him, and much more 20 

### effective for him as proven to our history and the 21 

### results that we've already received, not through models, 22 

### but through actual monitored data, what we are able to 23 

### do as far as emission controls. 24

### And if you are looking for an emission 25 

### culprit, a cause for emissions, if you wanted to reallyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### attack what is polluting our air or the main source, it 2 

### might kill tourism, but it's our airports. More so than 3 

### any refinery. More so than any emissions from any 4

### vehicle on any freeway. It's the Salt Lake 5 

### International Airport. Colorado, I believe, relocated 6 

### their airport for similar reasons. 7 

### Now, I am not here to tell you how to do your 8 

### jobs. I believe the reason and purpose for why the EPA 9 

### was created when it was created, though I fear that the 10 

### pendulum has swung to the other extreme, and that there 11 

### is an overstep. 12 

### We are agencies funded by government, by 13 

### taxpayer money, and I feel that you are trying to 14

### reproduce something that is already working. The State 15 

### of Utah has an air quality control division that is 16 

### working, and for the EPA to step in and implement 17 

### something completely different without I feel fully 18 

### looking at what has been done and what is being done, is 19 

### unjust and unresponsible for our taxpayer money. 20 

### There is a little bit of delusion as far as 21 

### what is clean air, where is clean air. I say that 22 

### because there's been a lot of comments, a lot of 23 

### emotions, a lot of passion. But I'm a person who likes 24

### to dwell on the facts. 25 

### Part of the plan has been mentioned in the FIPAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### plan to replace the Utah SIP is not necessarily legally 2 

### sustainable, and perhaps through the models will not 3 

### actually create the reality proposed. We have monitored 4

### data that shows what can be done through the current 5 

### efforts and from actual data gathered, we can create 6 

### better models. 7 

### I also fear that through the overreach that 8 

### you are working towards by implementing this plan that 9 

### was not fully reviewed or even provided on a timely 10 

### basis to the state air quality division, that that's 11 

### going to further the efforts of the congressional 12 

### oversight committee led by Chaffetz to continually look 13 

### at defunding part of the EPA. 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Mr. Mellor, your time 15 

### is up. 16 

### JAKE MELLOR: I appreciate this process. I 17 

### appreciate you being here. I appreciate the opportunity 18 

### to speak. I would just ask that we would cooperate and 19 

### that we would look at what's currently being done, not 20 

### seek to be redundant but seek to cooperate. 21 

### (Applause). 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 23 

### we could have Frank Nederhand. 24

### FRANK NEDERHAND: Hi. Thank you very much for 25 

### letting me come here to speak today. My name is FrankAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### A. Nederhand. Spelled F-R-A-N-K, Nederhand, spelled 2 

### N-E-D-E-R-H-A-N-D. I actually live in Wasatch Front, 3 

### and I do have a prepared statement, but I'm going to 4

### deviate somewhat from that to save time for other people 5 

### to speak. 6 

### I am -- would like to go on the record, public 7 

### record, supporting EPA's move to disapprove Utah's SIP. 8 

### And I am sorry, Administrator Bird, but I also encourage 9 

### EPA to go much further than just this to look closer 10 

### than just the regional haze issue and consider taking 11 

### Utah's right to regulate air quality on behalf of the 12 

### citizens of Utah away. Here are a couple of points why. 13 

### Utah is the only state that I am aware of that 14

### allows some of its largest emitters of pollutants to 15 

### operate without a Title 5 permit. And for those that 16 

### don't know, that is operating permit program that 17 

### Congress requires every state to have, and they do not 18 

### have Title 5 permits. They are not under a Title 5 19 

### permit because it's not available for the public to see 20 

### it on their web page. 21 

### The state I work with, Georgia, has their web 22 

### page up 15 years ago and never misses having all their 23 

### Title 5 permits on that. It is easy technology, and the 24

### state of Utah is not doing their job. How can we expect 25 

### them -- expect them to do the right by regional haze?Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Second of all, there is a big power plant that 2 

### was built not far from where I live in Utah Valley. 3 

### This was built by the same company that operates 4

### Huntington and Hunter. Instead of replacing those 5 

### plants with that plant, the state-of-the-art plant, and 6 

### cleaning the air up here both in the Wasatch Front and 7 

### in the Emery and Carbon counties, they built it here 8 

### instead. The state knows that that is the largest 9 

### single emitter of PM2.5 there is, and we are in a 10 

### nonattainment area here. So how can we trust the state 11 

### of Utah? 12 

### That's another reason why I want them to move, 13 

### one of the things that's never discussed about poor 14

### Castleton. Now, I know the people there are probably 15 

### used to it, but how would Salt Lake like 200 plus trucks 16 

### a day bringing coal through Main Street, every day? I 17 

### don't think they would appreciate that. 18 

### One last thing I'd like to say since I only 19 

### have 30 seconds. I want to thank the coal miners and 20 

### other people that came up from Carbon and Emery 21 

### counties. I want to assure you that the NOx controls 22 

### required by EPA are not going to make you lose jobs. I 23 

### work with the largest coal plant in the United States, 24

### and they have these controls, and I speak from 25 

### experience. It did not -- it is not a problem, and youAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### can do it here too. Thank you again and good luck. 2 

### (Applause). 3 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 4

### Mr. Nederhand. Next, if we can have Gary Cox. 5 

### GARY COX: My name is Gary Cox. G-A-R-Y, 6 

### C-O-X. I'm the senior system business manager for IBEW 7 

### Local 57. Local 57 represents the bargaining unit 8 

### employees of Rocky Mountain Power in Utah, Idaho and 9 

### Wyoming, at least the southwest portion of Wyoming. We 10 

### represent approximately 250 workers that would be 11 

### impacted by these regulations if they are imposed. I 12 

### appreciate this opportunity to express my concerns on 13 

### behalf of our membership. 14

### Prior to accepting employment with Local 57, I 15 

### was an employee of PacifiCorp and its predecessors for 16 

### approximately 25 years. The majority of my career with 17 

### PacifiCorp was spent as an instrument and control 18 

### technician at the Naughton plant which is located near 19 

### Kemmerer, Wyoming. 20 

### I had the unique opportunity to be involved 21 

### with multiple projects related to environmental 22 

### compliance with both state and national air quality 23 

### regulations. I was the Naughton plant lead technician 24

### assigned to the installation and maintenance of new CMs, 25 

### and other equipment associated with Part 75 regulation.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### The regulation required the company to continuously 2 

### monitor, measure and report SO2, NOx, CO, O2, opacity 3 

### and total air flow. 4

### In recent years the company has been required 5 

### to install monitors that measure mercury emissions as 6 

### well, even though they are not measurable. Coal 7 

### emissions across the country have been reduced by 80 8 

### percent since 1980. 9 

### I was also asked to maintain Method 9 10 

### certification, which is an alternate method to evaluate 11 

### the amount of opacity or particulate matter that is 12 

### being emitted by a source. 13 

### In 2013, I was asked to attend a meeting to 14

### discuss the closure of PacifiCorp's Carbon plant. The 15 

### reasons given for closing the facility were to meet the 16 

### new MATS and regional haze requirements. While this 17 

### meeting was being conducted, several trains loaded with 18 

### coal were headed to foreign destinations. The Carbon 19 

### plant has ceased operations as agreed in the state plan. 20 

### The next attack of course will be to stop the trains. 21 

### I am an avid outdoorsman who wants clean air 22 

### as much as anyone else. My wife and I average 7500 23 

### miles a year on a motorcycle, and I have visited 18 24

### national parks over the last four years, many of them 25 

### multiple times. We have witnessed firsthand the impactsAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### of haze. Ironically, some of the worst haze witnessed 2 

### was on a cruise ship in Glacier Bay, Alaska, where there 3 

### were obviously no U.S. coal-generating stations that 4

### could contribute. 5 

### The vast majority of regional haze is linked 6 

### to wildfires and other sources that are beyond the scope 7 

### of and control of both the state and EPA regulators. 8 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Mr. Cox, your time is 9 

### up. 10 

### GARY COX: One more thing. I find it very 11 

### difficult to believe that we should switch to more 12 

### expensive energy and burden ourselves with wind and 13 

### solar which costs many times more. Thank you. 14

### (Applause). 15 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 16 

### we can have Brent Donohue. 17 

### BRENT DONOHUE: Hi. My name is Brent Donohue. 18 

### B-R-E-N-T, D-O-N-O-H-U-E. Good afternoon. I come 19 

### before you today not to give scientific data or not to 20 

### spread a new theory about cleaning the air. I come in 21 

### front of you today because I care about Utah and air 22 

### quality as much as any resident in the state. 23 

### I call for you to reconsider and uphold the 24

### State Implementation Plan in its entirety. The state's 25 

### plan allows responsible economic development and takesAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### air quality into account. 2 

### The state's plan is very practical and is a 3 

### strong plan for reducing haze from industrial sources. 4

### The state's plan is well reasoned. It will improve the 5 

### visibility and air quality. It moves in the right 6 

### direction. With it there will be incremental change for 7 

### better air balance, with real world economic factors. 8 

### Citizens will see and will feel a difference 9 

### if the state's plan is adopted in its entirety. Thank 10 

### you. 11 

### (Applause). 12 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 13 

### Mr. Donohue. James Newman. 14

### JAMES NEWMAN: Thank you. James Newman, 15 

### N-E-W-M-A-N. I'm a mining engineer. I was actually 16 

### born and raised right here in smog Salt Lake County and 17 

### moved down to clean air Carbon. I make that comment 18 

### because I have really a lot of trouble with my breathing 19 

### sometimes. Only when I visit up in here, where we do 20 

### have the smog problem. 21 

### I mean we're all for fresh air. We all want 22 

### good, clean air. I don't know anyone who wants bad air. 23 

### And the major problem with the haze is transportation, 24

### the cars. 25 

### The EPA in their report, unlike the state whoAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### focused on many aspects, focused only on the power 2 

### plants. Using only data when we have the three running 3 

### in, sorry -- the Carbon when we had Carbon running. But 4

### has not supplied any data since the shutdown of that 5 

### plant. 6 

### Instead of focussing on the issues, they have 7 

### gone on to a political point, that it must be the coal 8 

### plants, even though they are not in the correct wind 9 

### patterns for the very national parks that we are saying 10 

### we are trying to protect. 11 

### But Los Angeles, which is in an attainment 12 

### area is, and we get a lot of their junk. But instead of 13 

### looking at that, they battle the power plants because it 14

### must be the power plants. It can't be anything but the 15 

### power plants, even though they are outside of the area, 16 

### outside of the wind patterns. 17 

### And they did some good modeling, but 18 

### arbitrarily skipped on the connection points and just 19 

### automatically said, hey, if we take this much from the 20 

### power plants, this is going to reduce the amount in the 21 

### national parks. Gave no connection on how they were 22 

### doing that in their report. 23 

### And then, as part of the report, they are 24

### required to talk about the economy, and the different 25 

### areas. That's 13 CFR 121.2012. Now, they spent over aAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### paragraph defining what that is and less than a 2 

### paragraph saying that it would have no economic. Gave 3 

### no fact, no reason, nothing. There was no data given at 4

### all. Merely a blanket statement saying, yes, we're sure 5 

### it won't affect the economy in the area at all. 6 

### Meanwhile, in just the last year, we have had 7 

### the extreme buffer rule. We have had the freeze on all 8 

### new coal leases. We have the attempt also to increase 9 

### royalty rates on new leases, all these things happening 10 

### at the same time the last year so that the EPA can 11 

### follow their edict from Joe Biden that you can build a 12 

### power plant but we'll shut it down. 13 

### We are ignoring what the real problem is here. 14

### And we are just focussing on the power plants because 15 

### they are the political issue. 16 

### I think what Utah has done is great. They 17 

### have cleaned. They have followed the EPA's guidelines, 18 

### but never will they reach it until they have shut us all 19 

### down. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Newman. 22 

### Next, if we can have Mark Hillson, Hallson. 23 

### MARK HEILESON: Thank you for this opportunity 24

### to speak. My name is Mark Heileson. I do work for the 25 

### Sierra Club. However, I am speaking on behalf of myselfAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### today. 2 

### I am a six generation pioneer to this state. 3 

### My family came over in 1864 with the Mormon migration, 4

### and we settled in Sevier County where some of my family 5 

### still resides today. I, however, grew up in Provo, 6 

### Utah, where I developed a strong passion for exploring 7 

### the red rock country of the state. And by far the crown 8 

### jewels are the vistas. The most incredible views are 9 

### those found in our national parks. 10 

### Unfortunately, over time growing up, I have 11 

### noticed some days you just can't see as well. You can't 12 

### see as far. Things are not as sharp. Where I first 13 

### noticed that was on the Waterpocket Fold in Capitol Reef 14

### National Park and some of the ridges around the San 15 

### Rafael Swell. 16 

### And as the haze got worse, you could start to 17 

### see it on the rims around Moab above Canyonlands. And 18 

### if you get up in the Mahos outside of Monticello, Utah, 19 

### above the Needles District of Canyonlands, sometimes you 20 

### can really see how the haze is set in. And where it 21 

### comes from is a very obvious compass arrow right back to 22 

### the Highway 10 corridor where the power plants are. 23 

### The national parks really are a financial 24

### backbone of our state, especially for rural economies. 25 

### That's not necessarily my words. Governor HerbertAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### explained that a couple years ago, when they had the 2 

### government shutdown and the state actually pumped in 3 

### taxpayer money from the State of Utah to open up the 4

### parks in cooperation with the federal government to keep 5 

### that money from recreation flowing. 6 

### And there was a lot of case being made if 7 

### those parks are closed, even for a short time, the 8 

### economies of that corner of the state would crash. And 9 

### that's a real hand tip. The State knows how important 10 

### these parks are to our economy, and it should be all the 11 

### reason why we don't take any chances with the views and 12 

### how much they mean to our economy. That should be 13 

### paramount that they should be protected and that's all 14

### we're asking for today. 15 

### I wasn't aware that this was a hearing about 16 

### closing coal mines or power plants. This is about 17 

### cleaning up, using the best available technology. And 18 

### this is why I believe that the SCR technology is best. 19 

### I don't think that's going to cost jobs. I think it's 20 

### going to create them. Let's get the hard working people 21 

### of Emery and Carbon County to put the scrubbers in those 22 

### tanks and maintain them. This is what we're asking for 23 

### today. 24

### Our parks are our heritage. It's just like -- 25 

### people who love them come to see. People travel forAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### miles, sometimes from other countries to see our 2 

### national parks, and they will only come if they could 3 

### see them. And that's what we should be talking about 4

### today. 5 

### And you know, let's face it, PacifiCorp, 6 

### Warren Buffet, these are pretty well healed companies 7 

### and CEOs. They can afford that technology, and they 8 

### should hire people locally to put those in and get them 9 

### this work. And again, thank you for your time. 10 

### (Applause). 11 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 12 

### we can, Jason Marietti. 13 

### JASON MARIETTI: Right on, cool, thank you. 14

### Yes. My name's Jason Marietti. J-A-S-O-N, 15 

### M-A-R-I-E-T-T-I. Anyway, I am not going to go with the 16 

### facts. I'm just going to tell you, I have lived in 17 

### Price basically my whole life, been to all these parks. 18 

### The only time you ever see haze is on a fiery day where 19 

### there's a fire in California or wherever. 20 

### And all I can tell you is, I am a coal miner, 21 

### proud to be a coal miner. And if we're so worried about 22 

### our environment, why don't we attack issues that are 23 

### really there? I agree with all these guys saying 24

### transportation is our biggest issue. So why don't we 25 

### fix that? Because we're not going to do any better onAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### our power plant. 2 

### You have heard, I have read four different 3 

### things that says four different things. Who's got the 4

### facts? Show us the facts. Give them to us. That's all 5 

### I got. Thanks. 6 

### (Applause). 7 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Is it Fred 8 

### Marietta? 9 

### FRED MARIETTI: Hey, right on. My name is 10 

### Fred Marietti. I was MSHA coal mine inspector and miner 11 

### for 36 years. I've lived in Carbon County most of my 12 

### life. I don't have all these facts and figures on 13 

### tests, how they test for NO2 and all them things. But I 14

### have lived down there, and I am a sky watcher. And I 15 

### live in Emery County. I lived in Carbon County. 16 

### And I agree with Mr. Lawson when he says seven 17 

### years ago the plants have made moves to clean up their 18 

### air through scrubbers and stuff. And I used to look 19 

### down there by Hunter power plant and them, and I used to 20 

### see some nitrous oxides floating. But they are floating 21 

### kind of northwest. I don't know that they go over Moab 22 

### that much. 23 

### But anyway, it's just air stream pattern, and 24

### all I can say is since '07, I'd say it is, I've looked 25 

### down there many days, and the air is clear. I see someAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### steam generated. And you see that in there. But I 2 

### don't see the nitrous oxides layers floating over the 3 

### country any more. 4

### And I think they have made great progress in 5 

### improving what they are doing, and I think from what 6 

### Mr. Lawson said that they are doing more improvements 7 

### and going to increase the No. 3 unit and whatever. 8 

### And I have been to the parks in different 9 

### places. And yeah, you have hazy days. That's just in 10 

### the climate. But you know, are you going to -- what you 11 

### going to attribute it to? The one guy there says they 12 

### directly come down from Highway 10 corridor over to 13 

### there. Well, I got to tell you Monticello to Hunter 14

### plant is a little bit southeast not northeast. 15 

### Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. 16 

### (Applause). 17 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: The court reporter 18 

### needs to take a break. We'll take a 10 minute break and 19 

### then we'll be back here at 2:45. 20 

### (Recess from 2:37 p.m. to 2:54 p.m.) 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Everyone, we're 22 

### going to get started again in a couple of minutes. So 23 

### if we could move one of the speakers outside the room so 24

### the folks outside can hear. Are you able to hear us out 25 

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### again. 2 

### Okay. If I can have Larry Castle-Fericks. 3 

### LARRY CASTLE-FERICKS: Good afternoon. My 4

### name is Larry Castle-Fericks. And that's L-A-R-R-Y, 5 

### after my grandfather. And C-A-S-T-L-E dash 6 

### F-E-R-I-C-K-S. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 7 

### We're all passionate about the air we breathe 8 

### because it's really important to us. I am a Salt Lake 9 

### resident, so I get to breathe this lovely air all the 10 

### time. And I just came today because I'd like to urge 11 

### the EPA to support implementation of any current 12 

### technology to provide clean air for all of us to 13 

### breathe, and to reduce the haze impacting the vistas in 14

### our national parks. 15 

### As a lifelong Utah resident, I have grown up 16 

### appreciating the magnificent scenery surrounding us. 17 

### You only need to drive along I-70 and be humbled by the 18 

### enormity of the landscape as the San Rafael Swell rises 19 

### up before you. This is why people come here from around 20 

### the world and actually end up choosing to move here. 21 

### The haze that's generated by any power plant 22 

### does not belong here due to the enormity of the scenery. 23 

### It does not belong -- the arches that cover the La Sal 24

### Mountains so that you no longer see their snow capped 25 

### peaks.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Not only is our health at stake, but our 2 

### economy, in the tourist industry and the many jobs that 3 

### are supported -- that support the power industry itself. 4

### We have technology to manage these problems. We're a 5 

### smart country. And we are developing new technologies 6 

### all the time. We are downwind of a lot of pollutants in 7 

### this state just because of air patterns. We should do 8 

### what we can to eliminate those things we can control. 9 

### And that's why I support the use of any clean 10 

### air technology that can be implemented, and I support 11 

### the fact that the EPA and Utah Division of Air Quality 12 

### are working and striving towards creating a breathable 13 

### air for all of us. Thank you. 14

### (Applause). 15 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, is 16 

### it Jae Potter? 17 

### JAE POTTER: Jae Potter. J-A-E, P-O-T-T-E-R, 18 

### like Harry. I am a Carbon County commissioner, and I am 19 

### here today speaking in behalf of the commission and the 20 

### citizens of Carbon County. That means I represent about 21 

### 19,000 people, the majority of which would support the 22 

### state plan. And that's why I am here is to tell you 23 

### that we support the state's implementation plan, not 24

### what the federal government through the EPA is 25 

### proposing.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Now, I am very grateful to those that have 2 

### traveled up here. It is too bad that you did not choose 3 

### a better location than downtown Salt Lake. It's also a 4

### very poor choice of facilities. We have facilities in 5 

### our counties that you could have enjoyed a day out of 6 

### the city and also appreciated the clean air that is 7 

### there. 8 

### My hope today is to help you understand what 9 

### the impacts really of your plan -- of the federal plan 10 

### would mean to our area. We are counties, and I speak 11 

### for Carbon and Emery, that are reliant upon the 12 

### economies of mineral extraction and power generation. 13 

### 80 percent of our economy is impacted because of that. 14

### That is where the work is provided. 15 

### If we were to lose another power plant, which 16 

### we have already sacrificed the Carbon plant two years 17 

### early to reach the attainment in the BART alternative, 18 

### and if we are to lose more coal mines, perhaps we will 19 

### all come and live with you in Salt Lake, compete for 20 

### your jobs, pollute your air, and in the meantime you 21 

### should keep your haze in your own valley. 22 

### As I came up over the summit today, I could 23 

### see it just settle into Utah County, and I look back my 24

### direction, and it was a nice day. 25 

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### about, the air currents, and it's hard for me to 2 

### believe, as I have been in the national parks, that any 3 

### of the pollution, the haze that you want to talk about, 4

### the NOx and so forth, from the power plants reaches any 5 

### of the power plant -- or any of the state or national 6 

### parks. 7 

### I know that there are many things that could 8 

### be done. In a recent air permitting hearing in 9 

### Wellington, we had one of our local physicians stand up 10 

### and said, if you really want to cure the problems that 11 

### are with respiratory and with the illnesses that are 12 

### always attributed to the pollution, do a great campaign 13 

### and get rid of smoking. That would save lives. 14

### Another citizen said what you are really 15 

### trying to do is tell us that what we should do to clear 16 

### up the air up here in Salt Lake and other regional areas 17 

### is, why don't we restrict the use of cars in Salt Lake 18 

### Valley. Nobody up here can drive a car. But when I 19 

### come visit you, I'll be happy to drive my car up. 20 

### That's exactly what you're telling us about 21 

### clean power plant and also about the regional haze, is 22 

### let's impact the areas, let's take the attacks on the 23 

### culture and upon the businesses that made their 24

### livelihood through those particular projects. 25 

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### early, and this is the phase of what we're talking 2 

### about, was 75 jobs at the power plant. Compound that by 3 

### approximately five, and you will have at least 300 jobs 4

### that were either done away with or jeopardized. 5 

### In addition to that there's the ancillary 6 

### jobs. You talk about a coal mine that closes, it's 7 

### again five times. So that has impacted every bit of our 8 

### market, our stores, our tourism, our real estate, and 9 

### the people that want to live and make a living in our 10 

### area. 11 

### I would like to again ask you to support the 12 

### state-implemented plan. They have already done wonders 13 

### in improving the air quality and especially the 14

### visibility. I really don't believe that the EPA can put 15 

### attainment areas in a box, and until you bring forth 16 

### plans that show what you are going to do in other areas 17 

### and not just in Carbon and Emery counties against the 18 

### power plants, I don't have great faith in what your 19 

### proposal is. So again I support the state plan. Thank 20 

### you. 21 

### (Applause). 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Potter. 23 

### Next, if we can have Garrett Atwood. 24

### GARRETT ATWOOD: Good afternoon. My name is 25 

### Garrett Atwood. G-A-R-R-E-T-T, A-T-W-O-O-D. I work inAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### the coal industry and was born and raised in central 2 

### Utah. Like many of you, I grew up in the outdoors of 3 

### central Utah. Even as I drove through Carbon and Emery 4

### County on my way here this morning, I was impressed by 5 

### how beautiful it is, and the scenery is easy to see 6 

### because the air is so clear. 7 

### I echo the comments that were made early that 8 

### it would be nice to have this hearing down in Carbon and 9 

### Emery County because the air is so beautiful, and 10 

### instead of coming to Salt Lake City and seeing the haze 11 

### that's up here and probably is influencing people's 12 

### opinions of what the air is like in Carbon and Emery 13 

### County. 14

### I support the State Implementation Plan as 15 

### it's been proposed by the state. I commend our state 16 

### officials for the correct approach in working with the 17 

### industry to meet and exceed the emissions criteria 18 

### imposed by the EPA. I think it's amazing that a rule 19 

### was given by the EPA. A criteria was set. The state 20 

### has achieved it or exceeded it, and yet we are still 21 

### having this discussion. It makes me wonder what the 22 

### real agenda is. 23 

### Allowing our federal government to mandate 24

### excessive and expensive emissions controls and retrofits 25 

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### around 700 million dollars. PacifiCorp pass these 2 

### expenses on to customers in Utah through the rate 3 

### increases. Businesses and residents would feel the 4

### effect of this. 5 

### I would urge the EPA to approve Option 1 as 6 

### the SIP is proposed by the state. And I believe it's a 7 

### more cost effective approach to achieving the mandated 8 

### emissions criteria, and I thank you for your time. 9 

### (Applause). 10 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Atwood. 11 

### Jeff Sego. 12 

### JEFF SEGO: My name is Jeff Sego. J-E-F-F, 13 

### S-E-G-O. I appreciate the opportunity to speak here 14

### today. I am here because I am a concerned citizen. I 15 

### am concerned about the environment, and I'm concerned 16 

### about the people of our state and their overall 17 

### wellbeing. I believe everyone attending here today is 18 

### concerned about the environment in general. We all want 19 

### to preserve the things that we enjoy for our children 20 

### and those that follow us. 21 

### My family and I enjoy many outdoor activities 22 

### in the areas of concern. We have spent many vacation 23 

### hours in our national parks, and we go to the San Rafael 24

### Swell yearly. I have never seen the haze I hear talked 25 

### about in these areas coming from these plants. Any hazeAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### in the national parks and recreational areas, I believe 2 

### is grossly overstated. 3 

### I understand the concerns about pollution. I 4

### understand the haze concerns coming from living in areas 5 

### of the Wasatch Front where many of us in attendance 6 

### today live. 7 

### To truly solve a problem or exposure, you need 8 

### to look for root cause. I believe people are trying to 9 

### do that with problem solving, but many times we quit too 10 

### soon or are not willing to accept what root cause really 11 

### is. 12 

### The power plants are not the root cause of the 13 

### pollution issues here in this state, neither the 14

### national parks or the Wasatch Front. I encourage people 15 

### to go out there and visit those areas, as many of you 16 

### that have spoken previously have suggested. 17 

### The EPA has already accepted and approved the 18 

### changes made at these power plants as meeting the 19 

### necessary requirements. I believe we should all 20 

### seriously question EPA's real motives in having this 21 

### hearing today, including the location in relationship to 22 

### the areas of concern. 23 

### To mandate newly proposed changes at these 24

### plants would have huge repercussions to the economy of 25 

### Utah, would have a quick and direct negative impact onAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### the rural communities of our state. I know that's not a 2 

### concern for many you here today, but please do not be 3 

### naive enough to think that many more of you would not be 4

### affected in other ways negatively. 5 

### The tax base for the state would suffer 6 

### tremendously. The consumer will suffer substantial 7 

### energy increase -- increases in their rates, and our 8 

### state would no longer be attractive for outside business 9 

### development. A mandate like this hurts us all. Nobody 10 

### should be naive about that, not just the guy in the 11 

### small town that we don't care about. 12 

### We have geographical challenges with these 13 

### beautiful mountain valleys, and they are prone to 14

### inversion and haze. That we cannot change. So I urge 15 

### everyone in attendance to truly look at and be willing 16 

### to accept root cause for pollution and the haze issues 17 

### in Utah. It's likely that 95 percent of us contributed 18 

### to that today. I doubt there's many of us who walked 19 

### here or even carpooled. It's easy to see if you are 20 

### willing to accept it. 21 

### The answer to our concerns about air quality 22 

### is not to mandate new rules or requirements at the cost 23 

### of crippling our urban communities, rural counties or 24

### the state in general. The solution to our concerns will 25 

### take us all working together, but the first step isAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### identifying the real problem. 2 

### In closing, I urge the EPA to back Option No. 3 

### 1 and do so in using the statements of myself and the 4

### fellow citizens here today that are concerned about the 5 

### citizens of Utah and their overall wellbeing. 6 

### (Applause). 7 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. If we 8 

### could have Sara Straw. 9 

### SARA STRAW: Sara Straw. S-A-R-A, S-T-R-A-W. 10 

### I live in Sevier County. I moved to Utah in 1975. I 11 

### was blown away by the astonishing beauty of the state 12 

### and said I'm living here and I don't care how poor I 13 

### have to be to do so. And sure enough, I am poor. 14

### My husband did work at the Sufco coal mine in 15 

### Sevier County for a few years. But in 1985, a whole 16 

### bunch of the coal miners just lost their jobs. Dam 17 

### environmentalists. No, actually it was the mine. They 18 

### brought in the long wall. So, you know, change happens. 19 

### You lose your job and move on and do something else. 20 

### And I am afraid coal is one of those things, 21 

### like buggy whips and film for cameras, that's time is 22 

### moving onward, and eventually it will be gone. And I 23 

### don't want anyone to lose their job, but on the other 24

### hand, you know, I don't want my grandchildren to lose 25 

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### because we have decimated the plant. 2 

### And so I am for the federal plan to have 3 

### stricter regulations. And I am sure that all the coal 4

### plants will abide and the people will keep their jobs, 5 

### and will clean up the air, and eventually coal will go 6 

### the way of the buggy whip and we'll have cleaner, 7 

### sustainable energy. 8 

### Our grandchildren will have a chance to have 9 

### grandchildren of their own and life will be good. So 10 

### that's what we need to do. We all want electricity. 11 

### And we all want happy, healthy grandchildren, and so 12 

### let's do that. 13 

### (Applause). 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Tim 15 

### Wagner. Tim Wagner. (No response). Okay. Next, if we 16 

### could have Matt Pancenza. Matt P-A-N-C-E-N-Z-A. 17 

### RICH MYLOTT: Matt's definitely here. 18 

### MATT PANCENZA: Good afternoon. My name is 19 

### Matt Pancenza. I am the executive director of Heal 20 

### Utah, and I appreciate the opportunity to comment today. 21 

### Before I quickly urge the EPA to take a 22 

### particular action, I wanted to raise the possibility of 23 

### considering having another hearing. I think, you know, 24

### we appreciate the passion of folks from Carbon and Emery 25 

### County who have made their way up here, and clearly theyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### have strong feelings about the potential impact of this 2 

### rule upon their livelihoods. 3 

### I think we can all agree in retrospect, it 4

### would have been ideal to have a hearing down there and 5 

### perhaps one up here. One of the things we witnessed out 6 

### in the hallway today is there have been dozens, if not 7 

### hundreds, of people who have come to try to speak but 8 

### then, intimidated by the length of the line and the size 9 

### of the crowd, they turned away. So I am not sure the 10 

### balance of speakers so far accurately reflects the 11 

### intention of folks who did want to speak. So hopefully 12 

### we can come up with a way to hear from other people as 13 

### well. 14

### You know, some people in the room do not want 15 

### to hear this, but we do believe that it is appropriate 16 

### and necessary to order SCR on the Hunter and Huntington 17 

### coal-fired power plant units. 18 

### We live in a time when there's bad news and 19 

### good news, and the bad news is we do have demonstrated 20 

### effects of burning coal power on our visibility, on our 21 

### health and on a wide range of things. The good news is, 22 

### there's incredibly talented scientists and engineers 23 

### that have developed technology in order to clean a lot 24

### of that. 25 

### And I don't think we are lobbying for the endAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### of coal power. I think we are lobbying for taking 2 

### advantage of the state-of-the-art technologies that can 3 

### make dramatic differences in pollution that comes out of 4

### the smokestacks. 5 

### And I think we would point out there's jobs in 6 

### creating these technologies. There's jobs in installing 7 

### these technologies. There's jobs in maintaining these 8 

### technologies. So jobs and environmental improvement do 9 

### not need to be at odds in this particular case. 10 

### So we do strongly believe that the EPA needs 11 

### to install and require SCR. We believe that the studies 12 

### that have been done by independent consultants, the 13 

### expertise, the arguments that have been made by Heal, by 14

### the Sierra Club and many others would certainly reach 15 

### that conclusion. 16 

### So I'm going to end my time. There's a lot of 17 

### people that want to speak. Again, I appreciate 18 

### everyone's passion here. I'm glad we are all here. 19 

### Let's try to do it again where we can give more and more 20 

### people a chance to speak, not just the few who have 21 

### managed to crawl the top the of line. 22 

### So thank you very, very much. Thanks for 23 

### coming to Salt Lake. 24

### (Applause). 25 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next if weAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### could have James Cutler. 2 

### JAMES CATLIN: My name is James Catlin, is 3 

### that what's on the card? 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Yeah, sorry. 5 

### JAMES CATLIN: J-A-M-E-S, C-A-T-L-I-N. I'm a 6 

### retired scientist and I live in Salt Lake City. Thank 7 

### you for coming to Salt Lake. This is an important 8 

### hearing. It's about Utah's quality of life. It's about 9 

### the economy. I am in favor of increasing emission 10 

### controls and emission equipment on the power plants in 11 

### question. 12 

### I think that this is a case where we are going 13 

### to see significant amount of money spent that is going 14

### to keep the coal industry there longer. Now, I am 15 

### willing to pay more for my electricity, more in my 16 

### utility rates in order to help this happen. 17 

### I know this is necessary to do this, in part 18 

### because I remember growing up in Utah, more than 50 19 

### years ago, traveling with my family to remote places in 20 

### Utah, capitol Reef National Park being one of them. I 21 

### remember it was views without the slightest hint of any 22 

### degradation in air quality. 23 

### And over the years, I now work as a scientist 24

### in these rural places and remote places, and you never 25 

### see that kind of air quality again. It's exceedinglyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### rare except after a storm that you have that experience. 2 

### This is something that people across the United States 3 

### don't have. 4

### You know, I think we can do this and still 5 

### have an energy industry. And we can still have the 6 

### multi billion dollar outdoor industry that employs over 7 

### a hundred thousand people directly in Utah. And this is 8 

### about jobs and about the future. The future is going to 9 

### be different, and I think that we need to be ready for 10 

### it. 11 

### The governor, preparing this energy proposal 12 

### for the future, looked at how many jobs were now in 13 

### different sectors of the energy industry. He found 14

### there were quite a few in the coal industry. But what 15 

### was amazing is that he found there were even more in 16 

### renewable energy. Even though we have only about 2 17 

### percent of our energy today in renewable, we have more 18 

### jobs in that area. 19 

### I think we can have both. I think we can 20 

### continue to support the workers and families that are in 21 

### need of jobs. But we have to look to an economic 22 

### difference in the future. Well, thank you for this 23 

### opportunity. 24

### (Applause). 25 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Catlin.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### I'm sorry I got your name wrong. Is Suzanne Sensa still 2 

### here? 3 

### FEMALE VOICE: She had to go. She's not here. 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Next, if we can 5 

### have Randy Pickett. 6 

### RANDY PICKETT: I don't know if I can do 7 

### justice to what I have to say, because I don't have much 8 

### of a voice, due to cancer. You know, it's a funny thing 9 

### about cancer. There's a line down there called Sevier 10 

### County, and radiation only goes to that line and stops. 11 

### Because it knows that it doesn't affect anyone beyond 12 

### it. My dad died from complications of cancer. Hundreds 13 

### of people in our valley died from complications of 14

### cancer, because the winds blow from down by Las Vegas up 15 

### this way. Not from us that way. 16 

### Those parks never have been affected, only but 17 

### once in a blue moon by the winds. You know, the jet 18 

### stream, if you watch, you will have a high pressure, and 19 

### the only time that jet stream bends is when it hits a 20 

### high pressure. And it bends and goes around it. But 21 

### basically it goes from west to east. 22 

### I looked up on the Internet last night. The 23 

### winds in Utah, 26 percent of them come from the south. 24

### 24 percent come from the southeast. That's almost 50 25 

### percent of our -- do you know how much of it goes fromAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### here that way? 18 percent. So those power plants, 2 

### although we do need the clean air, do not affect our 3 

### parks. 4

### Maybe we should understand what the fight 5 

### really is. Maybe the winds coming out of California 6 

### bring all that pollution up to those parks. Maybe we 7 

### ought to do something about those pollutants, not worry 8 

### about five little power plants. 9 

### Now, I also looked up what pollutants come 10 

### from power plants. And I looked up what comes from 11 

### cars. Guess what? They are exactly the same. Only 12 

### there is millions, millions of cars, not just five. 13 

### There's millions of them. 14

### So why -- and you say oh, we have done 15 

### something about it. We put restrictions on those cars. 16 

### Yeah, now what used to get 20 miles to the gallon gets 17 

### five, seven. You should be getting 50 or 60. And then 18 

### you would only burn a gallon of gas. What a novel idea. 19 

### To solve some of our pollution. But, no, we'll worry 20 

### about a power plant that's going to put lots of people 21 

### out of a job. Thank you for your time. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 24

### Mr. Pickett. Jeff Noyes. 25 

### JEFF NOYES: I appreciate the opportunity toAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### voice my opinion. My name is Jeff Noyes. J-E-F-F, 2 

### N-O-Y-E-S. I am a life-long resident of Carbon and 3 

### Emery County. I am an employee of Sufco coal mine. And 4

### I am a supporter of Option 1. In my life experience in 5 

### Carbon and Emery county, I have witnessed the over -- I 6 

### am looking for, over regulated, over regulating, I have 7 

### witnessed devastation to these two counties by over 8 

### regulating. And I urge you, as the EPA, to support 9 

### Option 1, and help us save our jobs as coal miners, 10 

### power plant workers, coal truck drivers. The trickle 11 

### down effect is tremendous. 12 

### And in closing, I'd just like to say I'm proud 13 

### to be a coal miner. Proud to work with -- and be 14

### associated with the best damn coal miners in the world. 15 

### (Applause). 16 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 17 

### we can have Mark Thomas. Marc Thomas. He's gone. If 18 

### he shows up, I'll let him speak. John Wysheit. John 19 

### Wysheit. No? Okay. Larry Olsen. 20 

### LARRY OLSEN: Hi. My name is Larry Olsen. 21 

### That's O-L-S-E-N. I am here as a concerned citizen and 22 

### a concerned coal miner. I am from Carbon County. Up 23 

### until a year ago, we had four of them in a hundred mile 24

### radius. I have lived there all my life. A life-long 25 

### resident.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### We do, as many people have said, have the 2 

### clearest air around. Not just certain days, but every 3 

### day, you can wake up and see clear across the valley. 4

### And from my house, you can pretty well see the Hunter 5 

### power plant, and it's very clear. 6 

### I would love to say that a lot of these people 7 

### are uninformed that are opposing this. But I won't. We 8 

### are here to talk to the EPA, and you know what? It -- 9 

### this administration has really been after coal mines and 10 

### anything to do with fossil fuels. Let's stop and let's 11 

### look at the information that's not being provided to you 12 

### from your people on what you want to hear. Let's look 13 

### at reality. Our air is clear. 14

### The national parks, like many of have said, 15 

### are not being fed from these power plants, and that's 16 

### what we're here to talk about is these two power plants. 17 

### The third one is idled as you heard, even though it was 18 

### mentioned earlier. That's what it's about. 19 

### I strongly disagree that you need to put more 20 

### on these power plants because they are not being 21 

### affected as the information that you're being told. 22 

### Quit looking at the paper. Look outside and 23 

### look at the air. It's clear. I have no health issues 24

### due to breathing bad air or anything, and neither does 25 

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### be raised in Carbon and Emery counties. So I'll just 2 

### keep it short. That's all I have to say. Thank you. 3 

### (Applause). 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Gail Solomon. Gail 5 

### Solomon. 6 

### RICH MYLOTT: Gail Solomon. No. No. 7 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Paul Balo. 8 

### Paul B-A-L-O. 9 

### RICH MYLOTT: Paul Balo. B-A-L-O. No. 10 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Wyn Smith. Wyn 11 

### Smith. 12 

### RICH MYLOTT: Wyn Smith. 13 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Mimi Trudeaux. Mimi 14

### Trudeaux. 15 

### RICH MYLOTT: No. 16 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Jay, is it Vestal? 17 

### Jay Vestal, V-E-S-T-A-L. 18 

### FEMALE VOICE: Never mind. He didn't want to 19 

### comment. 20 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Alan Peterson. Alan 21 

### Peterson. 22 

### ALAN PETERSON: Hey. 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Oh, there you are. 24

### ALAN PETERSON: Can I bring a picture up 25 

### front?Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Sure. 2 

### ALAN PETERSON: Thank you for the opportunity. 3 

### I did not come prepared. I'm winging it. The yellow 4

### card was my ticket to get in this room. My main purpose 5 

### for coming up today, I jumped in with three other guys 6 

### this morning, was to bring a picture of the Hunter power 7 

### plant and the beautiful blue skies and the beautiful 8 

### white steam that is coming out of the building towers 9 

### and the stacks. That's what's on the picture in front 10 

### of you. 11 

### I'm going to assume that EPA people probably 12 

### have not visited Emery County. Perhaps you have never 13 

### seen the Hunter power plant or the Huntington plant that 14

### this discussion is about. I am also going to venture a 15 

### guess that 90 percent of the people in opposition have 16 

### also never been to Emery County, Carbon County, and seen 17 

### those plants. 18 

### I encourage everybody to do that, to see why 19 

### we love living in rural Utah, including Sanpete and 20 

### Sevier, to see why it's important to us to be able to 21 

### raise our families there. We love our children more 22 

### than you ever will, and that's where we want them to be 23 

### raised. 24

### The talk today is about haze and evidently 25 

### where this haze comes from and where it goes. ThisAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### picture in front of you I took on January 1. I was 2 

### headed down on the desert with my dogs to chase dead 3 

### Indians, and the locals might know what that means. 4

### And I stopped four different times to take 5 

### pictures of the Hunter power plant because the beauty 6 

### and because of the controversy. And what goes through 7 

### my mind is, how can this, what you see on that picture, 8 

### turn into the haze that these valleys up here in 9 

### northern Utah are faced with? 10 

### I come late to this party because I have been 11 

### trapped outside. So I don't know what all has been 12 

### talked about. I don't know what all has been said. But 13 

### I do know that the power company has installed what they 14

### were told they had to install, with the agreement that 15 

### it made, and now to change the rules -- yeah. 16 

### The best technology is a good thing. Our 17 

### scientists that were mentioned, the people who develop 18 

### this stuff, those are all good things. My question and 19 

### challenge to the EPA is, you do the research. What 20 

### percentage are we talking about? 21 

### If we've already cleaned say 95 percent of all 22 

### emissions out, is this fight over the last five, or have 23 

### we already cleaned 99 and this fight is over the last 24

### one? And then what percentage does coal burn in the 25 

### United States, compared to worldwide?Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### One last thing I want to mention. I sent this 2 

### picture to the four news stations a few weeks ago to 3 

### their meteorologists. I got responses back from Channel 4

### 13 and Channel 4. And in that e-mail I asked, please 5 

### explain how the blue skies, the beautiful blue skies at 6 

### this plant turn into the smog and haze in Salt Lake that 7 

### I hear about. 8 

### I specifically asked about up here not the 9 

### parks because they never entered my mind because I visit 10 

### the parks in San Rafael weekly. And the two that 11 

### responded said absolutely no connections. The emissions 12 

### from those power plants do not affect Salt Lake Valley. 13 

### Our problems are local. 14

### He did encourage me to go to the state's 15 

### website, which I did, the Division of Environmental 16 

### Quality. I found an article on there about Asian 17 

### pollution, and it tracked it through satellite imagery 18 

### coming from China across the ocean and in California and 19 

### Nevada and into Utah. And in the article it said that 20 

### pollution is picked up on monitoring in Utah. But it's 21 

### not produced in Utah. So how can it be regulated in 22 

### Utah? Thank you. 23 

### (Applause). 24

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Marc 25 

### Thomas.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### MARC THOMAS: Thank you. It's good to see a 2 

### lot of friendly faces here today. Hi. My name is Mark 3 

### Thomas. I'm from Moab, Utah. 4

### It's very simple. In its plan submitted to 5 

### the EPA, the Utah Department of Environmental Quality 6 

### should have required the Hunter and Huntington 7 

### coal-fired power plants to install selective catalytic 8 

### reduction emission control systems to convert dangerous 9 

### nitrogen oxide into more benign chemicals. 10 

### SCR technology is required usage in New 11 

### England and in our neighboring states of New Mexico, 12 

### Arizona, Colorado and Wyoming. Why does this state 13 

### always have to be an outlier when it comes to enacting 14

### effective regulation controls on industries whose 15 

### emissions impact the health and wellbeing of its 16 

### citizens? Even a place that believes in limited 17 

### government is supposed to put the health of its 18 

### citizenry above all else. 19 

### Just look at what is happening today in Flint, 20 

### Michigan when that guiding principle is overlooked. If 21 

### the use of SCR technology is important enough to protect 22 

### the citizens living in neighboring states, then it 23 

### should be required use in coal power plants in Utah to 24

### protect our quality of life. 25 

### Both the state and PacifiCorp greatlyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### over-estimate the cost of retrofitting the plants with 2 

### this technology. Upgrades elsewhere have proven cost 3 

### effective, and they under-estimate its benefits. Your 4

### own studies show the systems reduced nitrogen oxide 5 

### emissions by 70 to 90 percent. Anyone who suffers from 6 

### a respiratory condition, asthmatics, children, the 7 

### elderly, pays the price when these emissions become 8 

### particulates in the air that we breathe. 9 

### The state has been dragging its heels since 10 

### 2003 in coming up with a best available practices haze 11 

### and nitrogen oxide reduction plans. The fact that one 12 

### of your own sister agencies, the Southeast Utah Group of 13 

### the Utah National Park Service, which manages both 14

### Arches and Canyonlands, finds the state plan lacking and 15 

### wants to see SCR technology implemented, speaks volumes 16 

### about the current plan's shortcomings. 17 

### I have a personal recollection. Twenty years 18 

### ago when I was trying to convince my wife that moving to 19 

### rural southern Utah from urban Chicago wasn't a 20 

### hair-brained idea, I took her to the Green River 21 

### Overlook in Canyonlands. There she had her aha moment 22 

### as she gazed down at the Green River snaking around 23 

### Turk's Head, with deeply incised canyons below her and 24

### the majestic buttes of the Maze off in the distance. 25 

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### years ago we moved permanently to Moab. 2 

### Proud of the beauty where I live, I am worried 3 

### that today's visitor standing at the canyon overlooks in 4

### southern Utah wouldn't experience their own aha moments. 5 

### Sadly when friends visit, I now hesitate to take them to 6 

### Grand View Point, Green River Overlook or Dead Horse 7 

### Point, for fear, as the National Park Service has 8 

### documented, that more than 80 percent of the time haze 9 

### has degraded these view sheds. 10 

### I am urging you to reject the Utah DEQ 11 

### Regional Haze Plan in favor of one that requires the 12 

### installation of SCR systems for the control of nitrogen 13 

### oxide. To do so will hold this state to the same 14

### standards as our neighboring states and be in line with 15 

### the goals of the 1970 Clean Air Act, the 2012 Regional 16 

### Haze Plan and the 2015 Clean Power Plan, all of which 17 

### are key building blocks in reducing our nation's air 18 

### pollution. 19 

### Thank you for your time. I appreciate you 20 

### letting me speak at this forum. 21 

### (Applause). 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: John Weisheit. I 23 

### don't know if I am saying that right. John. Coming. 24

### Oh, great. 25 

### JOHN WEISHEIT: My name is John Weisheit.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### That's spelled W-E-I-S-H-E-I-T. I live in Moab, Utah. 2 

### I have lived there since 1986. Before that I lived in 3 

### Maricopa County in Arizona, along the Salt River, and 4

### before that I lived in Los Angeles County, drinking 5 

### water from the metropolitan water district. 6 

### The Colorado River has been in my life since 7 

### infancy. My first boat trip was in 1959. I am 8 

### currently 62 years old. I became a full-time river 9 

### guide in 1980. I have done over 350 river trips down 10 

### Canyonlands National Park. I have done 50 trips in the 11 

### Grand Canyon. 12 

### I wrote a book with two other authors 13 

### published by the University of Utah press called Grand 14

### Canyon. In that book we described how the changes are 15 

### occurring in Canyonlands National Park. Our beaches are 16 

### not as big as they used to be. Our fish are more 17 

### endangered. The effects of climate change are affecting 18 

### our vegetation. 19 

### You are not supposed to see these kinds of 20 

### changes in your lifetime. I have managed to see them in 21 

### less than 30 years. 22 

### As a person who does a lot of river trips and 23 

### spends a lot of time in the outdoors for over six 24

### decades, I can tell you that we are negatively impacting 25 

### our natural resources. And I should say that as aAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### private river runner, I have done the San Rafael River. 2 

### I have done Dirty River or Muddy River, excuse me, and 3 

### the Dirty Devil River, and which are, of course the 4

### water supply for the two coal plants in question. 5 

### So I have seen a change in the air quality of 6 

### the region that I work and play in. I don't think that 7 

### they are going to take my job away, but I think they are 8 

### making my job more and more unattractive when I can't 9 

### enjoy clean air and vibrant resources and vibrant 10 

### ecology, and my customers want these assets to be 11 

### restored in Canyons Lands region and the Colorado River 12 

### Basin in general. 13 

### So I would ask the EPA to please put 14

### restrictions that will also not take jobs away. It will 15 

### actually improve our air and improve our livelihoods and 16 

### our quality of life together. So I would like to see 17 

### our -- the jobs that these resource provided to be a 18 

### sustainable environment, and I encourage the EPA to 19 

### please make our air cleaner. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Paul Balo, 22 

### Paul. 23 

### PAUL BALO: Good afternoon. My name is Paul 24

### Balo. B-A-L-O. And I am a resident of Moab, Utah. I 25 

### did submit written comments, although I may stray fromAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### them some. I'm speaking in favor of the Clean Parks 2 

### Plan. I speak for the neighbors and friends who have 3 

### experienced respiratory problems. Some of them cannot 4

### tolerate the air in Salt Lake City and avoid this area. 5 

### Healthy air quality is important to everyone 6 

### in the area, residents and visitors alike. The 7 

### enjoyment of the outdoors is negatively affected by the 8 

### haze. 9 

### I do not want to give a free pass to the 10 

### Hunter and Huntington power plants. This is not 11 

### acceptable. Lack of selective catalytic reduction, SCR, 12 

### does not utilize the required best available technology. 13 

### Do not be distracted. These plants should be commended 14

### for efforts to reduce particulates and sulfur emissions 15 

### and the installation of low NOx burners. But these are 16 

### not keeping up with the available means for continuous 17 

### improvements. 18 

### And by the way, I am a miner. I have worked 19 

### on the metal side. So I do identify with the problems 20 

### people in the mining industry have. And I am also 21 

### concerned that without installing these controls that 22 

### the plants are going to be more susceptible to being 23 

### shut down in the future because they would be on a list 24

### of the dirty plants. 25 

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### our miners. I do identify with them. Utah depends upon 2 

### the revenue encouraged. It's 700 million dollars per 3 

### year. And if transportation and recreation are 4

### included, this impact is 7 billion dollars per year. 5 

### Maybe sharing these figures will get action to protect 6 

### our visual resources and clear the air. 7 

### In social media we like to put our best foot 8 

### forward, and I'm guilty of doing that. What I am 9 

### advocating is, we begin to show photographs to our 10 

### contacts when conditions are poor in comparison to the 11 

### few days we have clearer air. 12 

### In addition to this request to support the 13 

### Clean Parts Plan, to take action to illustrate these 14

### comparisons, I avoid going to the scenic vistas, like 15 

### John mentioned just before me, whenever the air is hazy. 16 

### And I think I have been complicit in providing views 17 

### that is less than accurate just this week when I went to 18 

### share views on social media that the average visitor 19 

### will see less than 25 percent of the time. 20 

### What I am asking for is people to share 21 

### comparison photographs of what clear air is like versus 22 

### less than ideal situations. I believe that many people 23 

### do not even recognize what clear air looks like. 24

### Statistics and data are very important to 25 

### quantify what's happening. But on visual resources, theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### photograph is much easier to digest and provide impacts. 2 

### This is my equivalent of the transparency and openness 3 

### we demand from our leaders and regulators. Thank you 4

### for your time and attention. 5 

### (Applause). 6 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Balo. 7 

### Dick Comminski. Dick Comminski. Mark Barone. Mark 8 

### Barone. Libby Ellis. 9 

### LIBBY ELLIS: Thank you. My name is Libby 10 

### Ellis, and I am proud to stand here today on behalf 11 

### Black Diamond Equipment. At Black Diamond, 12 

### headquartered here in Salt Lake City, we design, 13 

### engineer, manufacture and sell innovative outdoor 14

### equipment, apparels for climbers, back country skiers 15 

### and Alpine skiers. 16 

### Black Diamond contributes significantly to 17 

### Utah's business and tourist economy. On any given day, 18 

### whether in our national parks, forests or wilderness 19 

### areas, our products are used by outdoor enthusiasts, 20 

### helping them enjoy their experiences to the fullest. 21 

### While our business depends upon the health of 22 

### our national parks, the soul of our business, the 23 

### inspiration from which we draw our ideas and our 24

### passions, depends upon the protection even more so. 25 

### Today, our state's iconic landscapes, Arches, Escalante,Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Grand Canyon, Canyonlands and on are being harmed by 2 

### dangerous haze-causing pollution. This air pollution is 3 

### coming in part, in part from the Hunter and Huntington 4

### coal-burning power plants in southern Utah. 5 

### Black Diamond is here today to urge the EPA to 6 

### require that the Huntington and Hunter coal plants be 7 

### upgraded with SCR pollution controls. This technology 8 

### has been used successfully, without taking away jobs, to 9 

### lower air pollution in over 250 coal plants throughout 10 

### the country already. 11 

### The Regional Haze Rule of the Clean Air Act 12 

### requires you, the EPA, to return our national parks' 13 

### natural visibility by 2060. Please don't wait until 14

### 2060 to protect our parks' air sheds and air quality. 15 

### Require retrofitting of Hunter and Huntington 16 

### coal-burning plans with industry-accepted pollution 17 

### controls. Thank you. 18 

### (Applause). 19 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Richard 20 

### Parkins. 21 

### RICHARD PARKINS: I will defer until later 22 

### because some have to leave. 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Can we have 24

### Rebecca Hinsell. Rebecca Hinsell. Beth Hayes. Beth 25 

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### please. 2 

### HEILA ERSHADI: Good afternoon. First off, 3 

### thank you for your time and consideration today. I know 4

### there are knowledgeable, intelligent people coming down 5 

### on different sides of this issue, and I appreciate that 6 

### you have a difficult and important job to receive a 7 

### whole lot of input and use that to make a wise decision. 8 

### I am actually glad I had to wait such a long 9 

### time to speak because it gave me a chance to talk to 10 

### many great people on all sides of the issue. Once 11 

### again, I am reminded how great the people of Utah are 12 

### regardless of their stance on regional haze or other 13 

### issues. 14

### My name is Heila Ershadi. H-E-I-L-A, 15 

### E-R-S-H-A-D-I, and I have traveled here today all the 16 

### way from Moab for the opportunity to weigh in on 17 

### Regional Haze Rule. I am a member of Moab city council 18 

### and a mother of two children who have been born and 19 

### raised in Moab. 20 

### As a mother and a city council member, I am 21 

### concerned about air pollution and its effects on both 22 

### visibility and health. I realize that the regional haze 23 

### rule addresses visibility only, but the health 24

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### discounted, particularly in an area where people come 2 

### not only to enjoy the views but to get out and move and 3 

### breath deeply. 4

### Moab, as we all know, is a gateway community 5 

### surrounded by several national parks as well as a host 6 

### of other scenic wonders. Many people have moved to Moab 7 

### largely out of love for the vibrant, unparallel 8 

### landscapes, and there are many people with deep roots in 9 

### our community whose families have treasured the area for 10 

### generations. 11 

### Our national parks with their world-class 12 

### vistas bring people from all over the world, creating a 13 

### multi-million-dollar tourism industry that is the 14

### keystone of our economy. But the intrinsic value of 15 

### clear, healthy air is much greater, and that's why the 16 

### Regional Haze Rule was created to protect our national 17 

### park as the commonly held treasures that they are. We 18 

### need to be able to see their worth. 19 

### PacifiCorp deserves the credit for what they 20 

### have already done to increase energy efficiency and 21 

### reduce emissions from the plants, all while providing 22 

### affordable power for their consumers, and there are 23 

### regulations that can unfairly burden utility providers, 24

### and we do face uncertainty in what future regulations 25 

### may mandate.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Legally that can't influence the decision in 2 

### the case of regional haze, but we do well to consider 3 

### that just as important as enforcing legislation that 4

### makes sense is getting rid of expensive red tape. 5 

### Pollution controls may be less controversial if the 6 

### power companies and by extension their consumers and 7 

### employees are not so burdened in other ways. 8 

### We need to change the conversation around 9 

### clean air and regulation. Conservation and power 10 

### companies and regulatory agencies need to sit down and 11 

### find common ground to figure out how we can get more 12 

### benefit and less impact from regulations. As our region 13 

### grows -- take actions to prevent that. Let's make sure 14

### our regulations make sense. 15 

### Selective catalytic reduction technology does 16 

### make sense, which is why it's being used in neighboring 17 

### states. National Park Service has done an excellent job 18 

### of making it comprehensible to the public. They have 19 

### meticulously documented the likely visibility benefits 20 

### and the regulatory language that requires the best 21 

### available retrofit technology. 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Ms. Ershadi, your time 23 

### is up. So can you wrap up, please. 24

### HEILA ERSHADI: Oh, sure. And so I stand with 25 

### the National Park Service and many other groups inAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### asking the EPA to adopt fair clean air protection that 2 

### include industry standard pollution technology that will 3 

### improve visibility in parks and as well as clean the 4

### air. Thank you. 5 

### (Applause). 6 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Edith O'Brian. Edith 7 

### O'Brian. Michael Shea. Michael Shea. 8 

### RICH MYLOTT: Michael Shea is here. 9 

### MICHAEL SHEA: Hello. My name is Michael 10 

### Shea. I'm with Heal Utah. First off, thank you so much 11 

### for the EPA for taking the time to come out and hear the 12 

### very diverse group of opinions being talked about today. 13 

### You know, I have been sitting here waiting and listening 14

### to everybody's different opinions about, you know, why 15 

### this is necessary or why this shouldn't happen, and I 16 

### mean, it's incredibly difficult. 17 

### We have an industry that is part of a 18 

### community that's helped create jobs and give them 19 

### livelihood to many, many people and their families. And 20 

### I can see how where everybody here is coming from. But 21 

### on the other hand, our national parks are an incredibly 22 

### valuable resource, and any -- any haze, any type of 23 

### pollution that impedes people from being able to enjoy 24

### those parks, it needs to be controlled. And it is 25 

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### together as a community. 2 

### I am native Utah. I am born and raised here. 3 

### Just trying to come up with solutions. But I think in 4

### the meantime, we need to listen to the scientific voices 5 

### of our country who are saying that this is a very 6 

### dangerous pollutant and that these scrubbers do need to 7 

### be installed. Because the national parks are an 8 

### incredibly productive and economically viable industry 9 

### that's going to continue with us long into the future. 10 

### And while I do greatly feel for all the proud 11 

### coal miners that are here today, I think that in the 12 

### long run it is what needs to be done. And I just hope 13 

### we can all sort of co-up around saying that the Denver 14

### Broncos are going to win the Super Bowl this -- two 15 

### weeks from now. But thank you so much, and we 16 

### appreciate you coming out today. 17 

### (Applause). 18 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Tim Wagner. Is 19 

### Mr. Wagner here? Kathryn Albury. Kathryn Albury. 20 

### RICH MYLOTT: Kathryn is here. 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: No? Okay. Randy 22 

### Tatton, Tatton. T-A-T-T-O-N. 23 

### RANDY TATTON: Good afternoon. Thanks for the 24

### opportunity to be here. My name is Randy Tatton. 25 

### R-A-N-D-Y, T-A-T-T-O-N. And I am in support of OptionAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### 1. I am a retired coal miner, or semiretired, and glad 2 

### to have the opportunity to come here and speak to you 3 

### just a bit today. 4

### I worked my entire career in the coal 5 

### industry. But for the last 15 years, due to some 6 

### business opportunities, I moved to Salt Lake City. So 7 

### trust me, I have seen the haze firsthand. I see it 8 

### every day. And it is frustrating. And I want to see it 9 

### cleaned up as well. 10 

### But let me tell you what's more frustrating to 11 

### me. I also live next door to Bingham High School. And 12 

### I don't know how many students they have, but it's 13 

### thousands, and trust me, I think every one of those kids 14

### drive their car every day to school. They will drive 15 

### through haze you can't even see through to get their car 16 

### to school. 17 

### So why aren't we addressing those kind of 18 

### issues? And that's happening all over the country. Not 19 

### only in Salt Lake City, South Jordan, it happens in 20 

### California, and it's got to be a big root of the 21 

### problem. 22 

### Now, let me say that when I first retired, 23 

### about 10 years ago, in 2006, I did some consulting. And 24

### I did a lot of work back east in the coal fields in the 25 

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### two years. Why? Because the coal mines and the power 2 

### plants are shutting down. 3 

### Now, when you talk to the people back there, 4

### nobody talks about pollution. They talk about the war 5 

### on coal and what it's done to it, and it has devastated. 6 

### And so, you know, what is the real agenda here? 7 

### Also, I worked for all of my career for 8 

### PacifiCorp. And I know that PacifiCorp is a good 9 

### environmental citizen. And I think the reason we don't 10 

### try as hard to address the automobiles and some of the 11 

### other pollutions, because it's so much easier to go for 12 

### a company like PacifiCorp. 13 

### Everybody here heard all the money they have 14

### spent and the things they have done to improve. But 15 

### yet, it's easy just to say, let's add different controls 16 

### and all of this expensive equipment on the machines. 17 

### You know, when I was -- and this is me, and I know it 18 

### will never happen and I know it can't happen. But I 19 

### wish PacifiCorp just one day would say, we are going to 20 

### shut down half of our units. And when the lights start 21 

### going off, the computers, the TVs, a lot of priorities 22 

### in this room would probably change. 23 

### (Applause). 24

### I only have 30 seconds. So again, I 25 

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### you will really consider all the facts. You know, I 2 

### lived for 15 years here in the valley. I lived the rest 3 

### of my life in Price, Utah. And incidentally I never saw 4

### the haze, I never saw the pollution like I see here. 5 

### Now, my time has expired so I appreciate the opportunity 6 

### to be here. 7 

### (Applause). 8 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Craig 9 

### Hilton. Craig Hilton. 10 

### CRAIG HILTON: I appreciate the opportunity to 11 

### give you some thoughts today. My name is Craig Hilton. 12 

### C-R-A-I-G, H-I-L-T-O-N. And I want to dwell on some of 13 

### the points. Although there's many I agree with, 14

### especially the wind and what -- I was the oldest boy in 15 

### a family of five. I understand, I understand well what 16 

### it is to be wrongly accused. And you know, if my 17 

### parents disciplined me for something I didn't do, it 18 

### didn't help the problem. And I think that's what we are 19 

### aiming at here, is we're just barking up the wrong tree. 20 

### No one appreciates more the clean air of 21 

### southern Utah than those of us who live there. I have 22 

### been a resident for 40 years and have observed times of 23 

### haze and clean air, and it's much better recently. But 24

### the haze that I do experience, you can smell it. And 25 

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### I would just like to point out one thing that 2 

### hasn't been brought up yet. I have read some 3 

### publications recently where the Sierra Club and the 4

### Wildlife Guardians have bragged about shutting down over 5 

### 200 coal-fired power plants. And so to say that there 6 

### will be no economic effect, this is the very purpose of 7 

### what they are doing. Thank you. 8 

### (Applause). 9 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Hilton. 10 

### John Byers. 11 

### JOHN BYERS: My name is John Byers, J-O-H-N, 12 

### B-Y-E-R-S. I'm a taxpayer and a third generation coal 13 

### miner. I have lived in Utah for approximately 35 years 14

### and lived about five out of the state. I love the state 15 

### of Utah. I support the state's Regional Haze SIP and 16 

### have observed no regional haze that can be attributed to 17 

### coal-fired power plants. 18 

### Most of the haze that I have seen has come 19 

### from forest fires, which I question whether we should 20 

### allow controlled burns and other things with the impacts 21 

### to the air. It's -- at times in southern Utah, it's 22 

### worse than being up here. And primarily from the forest 23 

### fires in California. 24

### My family, grandparents, great grandparents 25 

### have lived in this area since 1980s or the late 1800s.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### My entire family has been supported by these power 2 

### plants, and these EPA-imposed rules impact my family's 3 

### ability to stay in the area. 4

### I strongly support the state's implementation 5 

### plan and think that the EPA needs to provide some -- 6 

### like one of the other individuals indicated, some 7 

### justification for why they are not looking at other 8 

### things that create this regional haze. 9 

### And when it's easy to say to implement 700 10 

### million dollars, but I know economics. I know how it 11 

### works. It's coming to me, my family. And through how 12 

### it's going to be paid and how it's going to be handled, 13 

### it's going to go to my children and they are going to 14

### deal with this. 15 

### And if this 700 million dollars was going to 16 

### do something, and I had the scientists with the state of 17 

### Utah telling me that -- you know, they're smart 18 

### individuals as well, and I trust them a lot more than I 19 

### trust the EPA. And they are telling me that, you know, 20 

### the state's telling me that this plan isn't going to 21 

### affect -- is not or what the EPA wants to do will not 22 

### increase the air quality in the state of Utah, for 700 23 

### million dollars. 24

### And I think, you know, if we were going to 25 

### spend 700 million dollars, what would we do with thatAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### money to put it to a good use? Not just for emotional 2 

### views of what it's going to do for the environment. 3 

### Because I have lived in the area for, you 4

### know, over 35 years and I have enjoyed recreating out 5 

### there, and I don't see the regional haze that they are 6 

### talking about. And I do want clean air in Utah. Thank 7 

### you. 8 

### (Applause). 9 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Byers. 10 

### Craig Brown. Mimi Trudeou, T-R-U-D-E-O-U. 11 

### MIMI TRUDEOU: My name is Mimi Trudeou. Do I 12 

### need to spell it? Okay. 13 

### I am speaking to you today as a Utah resident, 14

### mother, taxpayer, and Rocky Mountain Power ratepayer. 15 

### In order to ensure the health and welfare of my family 16 

### and future generations, I am asking you to support the 17 

### Clean Parks Plan to industry-accepted pollution controls 18 

### that are already in use at more than 250 comparable 19 

### coal-burning plants throughout the country. 20 

### Two major issues are at stake. The first is 21 

### our health. The Hunter and Huntington plants are 22 

### responsible for 40 percent of the dangerous nitrogen 23 

### oxide pollution emitted by the electricity sector. This 24

### pollution significantly compromises and endangers our 25 

### health.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Given the fact that the proposed pollution 2 

### controls would cut emissions by 76 percent, and 3 

### neighboring states have already taken meaningful steps 4

### to reduce these dangerous and harmful emissions, it is 5 

### incomprehensible to me that the government of Utah is 6 

### fighting this. Why is the health of Utah residents 7 

### worth less than the people in Arizona, Colorado and New 8 

### Mexico? 9 

### The second issue involves the economy. 10 

### Communities across Utah depend on tourism and the 11 

### outdoor recreational industries as a source of 12 

### livelihood and prosperity. In 2014 alone, over 10 13 

### million visitors traveled to visit our national parks, 14

### generating 730 million dollars for Utah's economy. The 15 

### tourism industry supports about 132,000 jobs, or about 16 

### one out every 10 jobs in the state. It is a major 17 

### sector of the economy, and it is seeing the highest 18 

### year-to-year growth rate. 19 

### My family and friends have been visiting Utah 20 

### for over 30 years. They remember crystal days and 21 

### visibility for miles. These days are fewer and farther 22 

### between. The mountains are often now lost in the haze. 23 

### According to monitoring by National Park 24

### Service researchers, the visibility at Arches and 25 

### Canyonlands is impaired by human-caused haze 83 percentAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### of the time. Does the government really want to risk 2 

### this unique and precious asset to toxic, haze-causing 3 

### pollution that could easily be controlled in 4

### cost-effective ways nationwide? 5 

### People have lost trust in government agencies. 6 

### Even the EPA is perceived as a captured agency. 7 

### Demanding that Hunter and Huntington coal plants be 8 

### upgraded and retrofitted with selective catalytic 9 

### reduction pollution controls would help restore faith in 10 

### the government. 11 

### Coal is an inefficient, old, dirty, unhealthy 12 

### technology that could be significantly improved by 13 

### coming up to the best industry operating standards. We 14

### need to be transitioning to Utah's economic strengths 15 

### and future rather than clinging to the past. If 16 

### necessary, I am willing to pay more in utilities rates 17 

### to ensure the best for the environment, our health and 18 

### the economy. Thank you. 19 

### (Applause). 20 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, if we can, Sam 21 

### Schoppe, S-C-H-O-P-P-E. 22 

### SAM SCHOPPE: Schoppe. 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 24

### Mr. Schoppe. 25 

### SAM SCHOPPE: My name is Sam Schoppe, S-A-MAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### S-C-H-O-P-P-E. I appreciate the opportunity to be here 2 

### today and speak on behalf of coal miners, and I want to 3 

### thank everybody that made the trip up here today. I 4

### know a lot of people carpooled up here. 5 

### As I drove into the valley, the ironic thing 6 

### is, I look over to my right on the freeway, and 90 7 

### percent of the cars have one person in it. Why don't we 8 

### address that? 9 

### I am a life-long resident of Utah, live in 10 

### Sanpete County, Utah, Spring City in particular. And I 11 

### enjoy the outdoors and the national parks just as much 12 

### as anybody in this room. I have floated almost every 13 

### river, rock climb, recreate and I love clean air. But 14

### we're going to lose a lot of jobs if this happens here. 15 

### I have got a solution. We're all concerned 16 

### about the national parks and seeing through them, and we 17 

### have already mentioned how much profit they bring in. 18 

### Let's let them pay for it. 19 

### I want to ask everybody here today, how many 20 

### of you got up this morning and flipped on a light 21 

### switch? How many of you took a hot shower? Okay. How 22 

### many woke up to a warm home this morning? Those are the 23 

### things we need to be thinking about. Thank you for your 24

### time. 25 

### (Applause).Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Dr. Robert 2 

### Nohavec. Robert Nohavec. Nicholas Nielsen. 3 

### NICHOLAS NIELSEN: My name is Nicholas 4

### Nielsen. N-I-C-H-O-L-A-S, N-I-E-L-S-E-N. I was born 5 

### and raised in Carbon County, and as long as I can 6 

### remember, I have loved being outside. I have loved 7 

### playing around in the hills, and I can't ever remember 8 

### any haze other than when there has been controlled 9 

### burns, forest fires, that type of stuff. 10 

### I disagree with the EPA making additions to 11 

### the approved SIP. It's surprising how many people have 12 

### got up here and said that they agree with retrofitting 13 

### the power plants with items to control the haze. But 14

### they are agreeing with Option 1. 15 

### I disagree with the EPA supporting documents 16 

### that demonstrate additional changes are needed based on 17 

### the CALPUFF modeling system, aside from the state's 18 

### previously approved model. The justification for the 19 

### additions used many assumptions, and the EPA's 20 

### interpretation of the results demonstrate miniscule 21 

### benefit. 22 

### Omitting important information from the model 23 

### such as location of highways, mobile sources and 24

### populated areas relative to national parks, supports 25 

### faulty findings and promotes an agenda directed towardAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### coal-fired power. 2 

### The primary document itself, in Section 5.1, 3 

### paragraph 2, admits but fails to include in the modeling 4

### that, quote, "We further propose to recognize that not 5 

### all pollutants impact visibility equally, and that the 6 

### total emissions reductions of all pollutants is not 7 

### necessarily a direct indicator of whether the BART 8 

### alternative or the BART benchmark will achieve greater 9 

### reasonable progress." End quote. 10 

### The EPA's interjection to the state's SIP is 11 

### focussed on the wrong contributor. The model's results 12 

### demonstrate a change in measurable haze at the power 13 

### plants, but provides no commonly known scale to 14

### demonstrate the overall reduction in the regional haze. 15 

### Justification for additional restrictions have 16 

### been primarily based from these assumptions and these 17 

### models. No data or improvements in measurable haze has 18 

### been provided to the public from the Carbon plant 19 

### shutting down to drive additional restrictions. 20 

### Energy has made central Utah. Starving a 21 

### community of jobs, affordable power and a sense of pride 22 

### in an industry is too great sacrifice for little proven 23 

### improvement. 24

### I fully support the already proved SIP in its 25 

### entirety. I disprove of the EPA restricting the state'sAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### level -- the state level government's decision making 2 

### and forcing additional financial burdens to the people 3 

### in Utah industries. Thank you. 4

### (Applause). 5 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 6 

### Mr. Nielsen. Wendell Kutz. 7 

### WENDELL KUTZ: I'm going to relinquish my 8 

### time. 9 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Chad Stone. 10 

### Chad Stone. 11 

### CHAD STONE: Right here. All right. My name 12 

### is Chad Stone, S-T-O-N-E. Thanks for the opportunity to 13 

### speak today. I was born -- excuse me. I was born, 14

### pretty much raised in Carbon County. I moved several 15 

### times, and I tend to move back. I moved once to join 16 

### the army and another time to study at the University of 17 

### Utah. 18 

### I graduated with a bachelor's of science in 19 

### environmental and sustainable sciences. I was -- so 20 

### long story short, I care about my community. Yeah. I 21 

### care about local interests. I think that local 22 

### interests are looked at best by local jurisdiction. I 23 

### think that Utah State Department of Air Quality has set 24

### a good standard, the SIP, and I am for that. Basically, 25 

### yeah. I appreciate your time. I am for that SIP.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Thanks. 2 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, Scott Steinberg. 3 

### Scott Steinberg. Gregg Galecki. 4

### GREGG GALECKI: Here. My name is Greg 5 

### Galecki. G-R-E-G-G, G-A-L-E-C-K-I. A lot of things 6 

### have already been brought up. So I'll try to be brief. 7 

### Primarily I have worked in industry and the regulatory 8 

### world for over 30 years. I bring that up because I am 9 

### also a professional geologist and environmental 10 

### engineer. 11 

### So I want to talk about the Clean Air Act. 12 

### From the specifics of it, when we talk about the package 13 

### that was -- that we are looking at today, part of the 14

### Clean Air Act, the purpose of it is to have reasonable 15 

### progress towards having natural visibility goal. Along 16 

### those lines, I think that the state has demonstrated 17 

### over the last -- since 2003, they have had six updates 18 

### to their State Implementation Plan. 19 

### So you look at that. It's saying that it's a 20 

### dynamic plan. It's not stationary. It's not static. 21 

### It's always changing. They are looking at what the best 22 

### technologies are, and they are trying to improve that. 23 

### The other part, using technology. The things 24

### that they implemented, they have had improvements in 25 

### SO2, in NOx, PM10. They have showed that throughAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### that -- the modeling that they have done with it. The 2 

### state trying to be prudent in engineering and pragmatic 3 

### in their approach is that they have -- their own 4

### modeling says they have looked at the SCR technologies. 5 

### But they wouldn't have benefits that's necessary or the 6 

### types of improvements that we want. 7 

### I fully support the State's SIP in its 8 

### entirety, and I hope the EPA will look at that, and then 9 

### let's see. And the cost of compliance, that's another 10 

### part of the Clean Air Act, subpart -- Section 169, 11 

### subpart 3. When you look at the cost of implementation, 12 

### 700 million dollars, for a small, small benefit, what's 13 

### going on isn't good use of the state funds, and that's 14

### why I support the State plan in its entirety. Thanks. 15 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Craig 16 

### Brown. 17 

### CRAIG BROWN: Good afternoon. I am an 18 

### engineer who has spent my entire career in the energy 19 

### industry. I grew up in rural Utah and have spent much 20 

### of my time recreating in the Class 1 areas discussed in 21 

### this action. I have backpacked into wilderness areas 22 

### and visited several national parks each year. 23 

### I value clean air, magnificent views and 24

### nonpolluted air sheds. I feel that being a part of both 25 

### these worlds is not a conflict but rather complimentAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### each other very well. Loving the outdoors heightens my 2 

### awareness and environmental sensitivity, and increases 3 

### my resolve to create a workplace that is considerate of 4

### the impact it has. 5 

### The proposed State Implementation Plan and 6 

### Federal Implementation Plan are forced creations from 7 

### the EPA's Regional Haze Rule as a method of improving 8 

### visibility in Class 1 areas of Utah. This rule does not 9 

### consider actual environmental or personal health effects 10 

### as a result of NOx, SO2 or PM10. 11 

### Essentially what the EPA tells us by enacting 12 

### this plan is that they do not truly care about the 13 

### underlying health of the people it reports to, or the 14

### environment it supposedly protects. And are in reality 15 

### willing to spend the hard-earned money of the citizens 16 

### of Utah just to improve the visibility of the properties 17 

### they control. 18 

### The proposed plan will require to spend nearly 19 

### 700 million dollars. Rocky Mountain Power, the owner of 20 

### the power plants in question, has a customer base of 21 

### approximately 83,000 households. The Federal 22 

### Implementation Plan, if forced on us, will cost each of 23 

### these households $8,434. This hurts every citizen of 24

### that system, especially the low and fixed income 25 

### families. And for what?Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### The EPA states in their own plans that there 2 

### will be less than one deciview on average of 3 

### improvement, which is not even noticeable to the human 4

### eye. The bottom line is the federal government is 5 

### forcing the rate payers of Utah to pay a great cost for 6 

### something that we cannot even see. 7 

### As an outdoor enthusiast and someone whose 8 

### livelihood is based on energy, I feel that something 9 

### does need to be done about pollution in this state, but 10 

### not just in Class 1 areas, not just for visibility and 11 

### not at a cost of $8,434 per household. 12 

### If this plan had any chance of marked 13 

### improvement and was aimed at the health and wellbeing of 14

### our environment and our people, I would support it. But 15 

### because the benefit does not match the cost and comes at 16 

### the expense of so many of us, I highly encourage the EPA 17 

### to approve the State Implementation Plan in its 18 

### entirety. 19 

### (Applause). 20 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Jeremiah 21 

### Armstrong. 22 

### JEREMIAH ARMSTRONG: My name's Jeremiah 23 

### Armstrong. I'm an environmental engineer. I've got a 24

### bachelor's and master's degree in wildlife and wildlands 25 

### management. I'm currently employed as an environmentalAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### engineer. I have a bachelor's and master's degree in 2 

### wildlife and wild lands conservation. And I want to say 3 

### first of all, that I support, fully support and 4

### encourage the approval of the State of Utah's SIP plan 5 

### as presented and as partially implemented. 6 

### Second, the EPA's insistence on installation 7 

### of SCR technology at the Huntington and Hunter plants is 8 

### essentially an implementation of both options that have 9 

### been presented, as the plants have already implemented 10 

### the state's requirement and have seen significant and 11 

### sufficient reductions in PM10, SO2 and NOx. 12 

### Third, I would like to point out, and get into 13 

### the weeds a little bit, that the main justification for 14

### the EPA's proposed takeover of the Regional Haze Plan 15 

### from the state is based on the 98 percentile deciview 16 

### impact at the Class 1 air sheds in question. This was 17 

### the only measure which the state's plan didn't show 18 

### significant improvement over the EPA's BART baseline. 19 

### Now, deciview is new to me until a few days 20 

### ago. But a deciview is a unit of measure of the 21 

### transmission of light through the air. One deciview 22 

### correlates to the relevant change the human eye can 23 

### actually perceive. Using information provided in the 24

### docket folder for this proposed action, which is tables 25 

### H.5 through H.8, six of the nine Class 1 areas haveAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### substantially less than 1.0 deciview model improvement 2 

### on the worst of days. 3 

### At Canyonlands, the most impacted area in the 4

### model, the sum of the model improvements for all the 5 

### proposed power units is only 2.3 deciviews on the very 6 

### worst day of the year. These occur primarily in the 7 

### winter months when park visitorship is fairly low. 8 

### In the EPA's proposed action, which is 9 

### installing SCR technology at the Hunter and Huntington 10 

### plants, the average improvement using the BART baseline 11 

### over the state's BART alternative, is a paltry 0.14 12 

### deciviews, .14 of what the human eye can see. 13 

### We are asked to foot the bill for 700 million 14

### dollars for a assumed modeled improvement that is not 15 

### even perceptible to the human eye, and has zero impact 16 

### on human health. 17 

### Again, I recommend and fully support the 18 

### state's SIP plan and recommend that the EPA focus on 19 

### issues that actually impact the health and welfare of 20 

### the citizens of the United States, rather than push 21 

### political agenda. Thank you. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Jamie Riccobono. 24

### JAMIE RICCOBONO: Good afternoon. My name is 25 

### Jamie Riccobono, J-A-M-I-E, R-I-C-C-O-B-O-N-O. I am theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### executive director for the American Lung Association in 2 

### Utah, and thank you for this opportunity. 3 

### I am here today to testify against the current 4

### state plan and in favor of revising it to include 5 

### pollution control measures for Rocky Mountain Power's 6 

### Hunter and Huntington coal-fired power plants. These 7 

### pollution control measures will have the greatest 8 

### benefit for overall public health. And it isn't just 9 

### NOx that we're worried about. 10 

### The American Lung Association in Utah works 11 

### very hard to improve lung health and prevent lung 12 

### disease. And we know that climate change can harm 13 

### public health through degraded air quality, wild fires, 14

### drought, heat waves and more. 15 

### We also know that climate change worsens the 16 

### burden of the 57,800 children and 177,000 adults that 17 

### have asthma in Utah. According to the 2015 state of the 18 

### air report for the American Lung Association, the Salt 19 

### Lake County area ranked at the seventh most polluted 20 

### city in the country for short-term particle pollution, 21 

### followed by Logan, Utah in the eighth position. Uintah 22 

### County ranked seventh most polluted county for ozone, 23 

### and Duchesne, Utah, ranked as the 15th most polluted 24

### county for ozone. 25 

### Ozone pollution, also known as smog, isAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### dangerous and sometimes even lethal. It can send people 2 

### to the emergency room and even cause premature death. 3 

### High ozone levels can impact anyone's health, but some 4

### groups are particularly vulnerable to the health harms 5 

### from ozone, including children, the elderly, people with 6 

### asthma and other lung diseases, people with heart 7 

### disease and people who work and exercise outdoors, as 8 

### well as people who have low incomes. 9 

### Low income communities have suffered the 10 

### consequences of pollution exposures from our nation's 11 

### coal-fired power plants for far too long. They have 12 

### lived near these plants where they have breathed the 13 

### worse pollution, including toxic emissions like arsenic, 14

### lead, and carcinogens like benzene spewed into their 15 

### air. 16 

### They are suffering more from what climate 17 

### change brings since research shows that air pollution 18 

### disproportionately harms poorer humans, in part because 19 

### they are more likely to have diseases like asthma. 20 

### Public health is our number one priority. 21 

### Everyone deserves the right to breathe clean air. 22 

### Everyone. That is why the American Lung Association is 23 

### in favor of revising the state plan to include pollution 24

### control measures for Rocky Mountain Power's Hunter and 25 

### Huntington coal-fired power plants. Thank you.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### (Applause). 2 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Melanie McCoard. 3 

### MELANIE McCOARD: I'd like to talk to you a 4

### little bit about process. I am from Provo. Provo has 5 

### its own municipal power company. We are a member of 6 

### UMPA, U-M-P-A, Utah Municipal Power Agency, the largest 7 

### municipal power agency in the state. UMPA owns part of 8 

### the Hunter plant, a small interest in it. We also buy a 9 

### great deal of our power from both Deseret Transmission 10 

### and also PacifiCorp. 11 

### UMPA is the agency which is tasked to keep the 12 

### residents who use their power, UMPA's power, informed 13 

### about what's going on. That never happens. 14

### UMPA recently passed an IRP for five years. 15 

### They had a public hearing about the kind of money that 16 

### was going to be spent improving both the Hunter plants 17 

### and the Bonanza plant out in the Uintah Basin, and as 18 

### far as I know, I am the only person in all of Utah 19 

### Valley that read it, that IRP. UMPA's policy is to fly 20 

### under the radar. 21 

### You have got a group of citizens here who are 22 

### very willing and ready and eager to participate. But 23 

### there are hundreds of thousands of energy users in Utah 24

### Valley, the cities of Provo, Spanish Fork, Salem, Nephi, 25 

### Manti and Levan, who buy power through UMPA and haveAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### virtually no say in how that money is spent or the kind 2 

### of policy decisions that are made. 3 

### The mayor of Provo, Mayor John Curtis, is the 4

### board of directors -- is the chairman of the board of 5 

### directors of UMPA. He is in a position to have some 6 

### policy making power. But we don't get any press 7 

### coverage. We don't get any information. We don't get 8 

### any notification that there is public hearing occurring. 9 

### And so the process that you are hearing today, 10 

### there are a lot of coal miners and there are a lot of 11 

### environmentalists, but you are not hearing from the rank 12 

### and file energy users. Especially not in Utah County. 13 

### Especially not in those seven cities. Because we depend 14

### totally upon that agency, UMPA, to inform us. 15 

### They are supposed to be doing public outreach. 16 

### Never happens. So I very strongly encourage and 17 

### recommend that you hold additional hearings in Utah 18 

### County. I know it's hard for you to come from wherever 19 

### it is that you are located. But you need to come down 20 

### and hold an additional hearing in Provo especially for 21 

### UMPA users, power users. 22 

### We own a publicly held power company. We own 23 

### an interest in the Hunter plant, and we should have much 24

### more opportunity. There are two of us, I believe, here 25 

### from Provo today. Please give us an opportunity.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Please come. Thanks. 2 

### (Applause). 3 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 4

### Ms. McCoard. Joe Brinton. 5 

### JOE BRINTON: My name is Joe Brinton. J-O-E, 6 

### B-R-I-N-T-O-N. I come here today representing the coal 7 

### industry, but I want to speak more on behalf of what I 8 

### feel as a citizen and as a father of six children. I'll 9 

### start with a story of my 10-year-old son. 10 

### He is in the cub scouts, and we were talking 11 

### recently for a citizenship badge about the rule of law. 12 

### And the example I used is, if you are going 35 miles 13 

### down -- 35 miles an hour down a road that's posted 35, 14

### and a policeman pulls you over, he doesn't have the 15 

### right to give you a speeding ticket for obeying the law 16 

### if he interprets the law different than is written. 17 

### What it has to do with today's discussion is 18 

### that if the state of Utah is complying with the law, 19 

### they should be allowed to comply with the law. The rule 20 

### of law says that we need to be able to depend upon the 21 

### laws that are written and not take them as willy-nilly 22 

### interpretations of that law. 23 

### I'll tell a second story about my son. He 24

### always asks for more. If we give him one jelly bean, he 25 

### asks for another. And if we give him yet another heAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### will always ask for another. And finally we say, "When 2 

### is it going to stop?" 3 

### I bring this up because this has a lot to do 4

### with a lot of the recent environmental action against 5 

### the fossil fuel industry. If we give a little, they ask 6 

### for more. If they give a little more, they continue to 7 

### ask for more. The question is, when is it going to 8 

### stop? At what point will we satisfy their requirements? 9 

### And I urge you to consider that, because I 10 

### think there may not be an answer to that. I think there 11 

### may not be a final point that they are trying to get at. 12 

### The third story I will tell about my son is, 13 

### he always thinks he has the answer to everything. And I 14

### warn him that if the answer is easy, if somebody's told 15 

### you the answer is really easy, it's just that simple, 16 

### you might ought to double-think that. You might ought 17 

### to question their logic. 18 

### If haze reduction were just as easy as putting 19 

### in SCRs, we'd have done it a long time ago. If it were 20 

### just that effective as we've heard it said, that if we 21 

### put in SCR and all the haze would be gone from the 22 

### national parks forever, we would have done it a long 23 

### time ago. It's not as simple as that, of course. 24

### So I urge all of you who are in the position 25 

### of considering this, to keep those points in mind that IAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### advise my son. That it's -- if someone tells you that 2 

### it's a simple answer, you probably ought to double-check 3 

### that. 4

### So in case it wasn't made clear, I support the 5 

### State's Implementation Plan, and I encourage you to do 6 

### the same. Thank you. 7 

### (Applause). 8 

### HEARING OFFICER: Matt Romsell, It's R-O-M, I 9 

### think it's an S, E-L-L. Matt Romsell. Geneva Lawrence. 10 

### Geneva Lawrence. Jim Ireland. 11 

### RICH MYLOTT: He's on his way in. Jim's here. 12 

### JIM IRELAND: Hi. Good afternoon and thank 13 

### you for allowing us the opportunity to address this 14

### important issue. My name is Jim Ireland. I'm the Utah 15 

### State Court agent for the National Park Service and the 16 

### superintendent of the Timpanogos Cave National Monument. 17 

### In June of 2015, the National Park Service submitted 18 

### extensive formal comments and analysis in this matter. 19 

### We appreciate your consideration of them as you 20 

### carefully consider Utah's proposed State Implementation 21 

### Plan. 22 

### This is a complex legal and technical subject. 23 

### I have great appreciation for the challenges you face, 24

### and the EPA, the State of Utah and the industry for that 25 

### matter, addressing this problem of regional haze. AsAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### the previous speaker said, he took the words out of my 2 

### mouth, if there were a simple and easy solution, we 3 

### would have done it long ago. 4

### Since 1916, a hundred years this August, the 5 

### National Park Service has been dedicated to the mission 6 

### given to us by the American people, including everyone 7 

### in this room, to protect these areas unimpaired, for the 8 

### enjoyment of this and future generations. 9 

### Congress fully recognized and amplified the 10 

### significance of these areas in 1977 when it amended the 11 

### Clean Air Act to prior program for protecting 12 

### visibility, specifically in national parks and 13 

### wilderness areas. 14

### Early parks were often compared to islands 15 

### protected by their isolation. But today we recognize 16 

### that these precious areas are constantly impacted by 17 

### things outside of our boundaries and our control, 18 

### notably for today's purposes, air. 19 

### The EPA in this matter absolutely shares the 20 

### mission of the National Park Service of protecting our 21 

### national parks unimpaired for future generations. 22 

### Clearly, this is not just a technical engineering 23 

### problem. Any approach to reducing haze will have 24

### social, political and economic implications, as 25 

### evidenced by all the people in the room and outside theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### room. 2 

### So we know that our people will speak to 3 

### public health concerns, technical analyses of the 4

### proposals or other perspectives. 5 

### I would like to briefly address parks, tourism 6 

### and economic impacts associated with this issue. Others 7 

### have spoken to this already, but tourism is a 8 

### significant contributor to the overall economy of Utah. 9 

### In 2013, tourists did spend 7.5 billion dollars in the 10 

### state of Utah, resulting in 1 billion dollars of 11 

### estimated revenue at the state and local tax levels, 3.7 12 

### billion in total towards related wages and the 13 

### employment of approximately 132,000 people. 14

### The National Park Service estimates that in 15 

### 2014, Utah park visitors alone spent approximately 730 16 

### million in our local gateway communities directly 17 

### supporting 12,600 jobs and 376 million in labor income. 18 

### That year saw 10.5 million recreational visits in Utah's 19 

### national park. 20 

### But this past year, 2015, that number grew by 21 

### 12 percent with a record breaking 11,800,000 22 

### recreational visitors. Increased visitation will only 23 

### increase this economic impact. 24

### It's notable that much of this increase can be 25 

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### campaign by Utah State Office of Tourism. The state has 2 

### brilliantly capitalized on the scenic beauty of its 3 

### natural parks in this highly successful, award-winning 4

### campaign with images of Delicate Arch and other iconic 5 

### Utah park scenes everywhere from magazine ads, to the 6 

### sides of taxicabs. This scenery clearly has economic 7 

### value which must be considered in the evaluation of 8 

### these proposals. 9 

### I am joined today by superintendents of four 10 

### of the five parks. They will speak to their parks 11 

### individually and the specific impact of this proposal on 12 

### those parks. 13 

### I know that the State of Utah shares our 14

### concern over air quality in general. It's already been 15 

### identified as one of the key issues in the 2016 16 

### legislative session which opened yesterday. It only 17 

### makes sense for the tourism industry and the agencies 18 

### that promote it to do everything possible to reduce haze 19 

### and increase visibility of our beautiful scenery. 20 

### The EPA must pursue the course of action with 21 

### the greatest reasonable progress possible to this end. 22 

### In fact, the EPA notes in its overview of the proposed 23 

### action in the December 16 Federal Register letter, 24

### "Several of the metrics in the state analyses do not 25 

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### achieves greater reasonable progress." 2 

### I respectfully support your proposal to 3 

### disapprove the BART alternative and go with Option 2 if 4

### that what is what your analysis truly finds provides the 5 

### greatest protection for our national parks. Thank you. 6 

### (Applause). 7 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Fred Armstrong. 8 

### FRED ARMSTRONG: Good afternoon. Thank you 9 

### for the opportunity to speak. My name is Fred 10 

### Armstrong, Division Chief for Natural and Cultural 11 

### Resources At Zion National Park. 12 

### Zion was the first national park unit 13 

### established in the state of Utah, over 100 years ago, 14

### initially as national monument and later elevated to 15 

### national park status. Excerpts from legislation cite 16 

### that park lands were established "for the benefit and 17 

### enjoyment of the people," and speak of the superlative, 18 

### "brilliantly colored strata and remarkable canyons with 19 

### highly ornate and beautifully colored walls." 20 

### Regional haze threatens the scenic values and 21 

### the associated visitor experiences that are fundamental 22 

### to the establishment and purposes of the park. On clear 23 

### days, visitors at high elevation viewpoints are not only 24

### rewarded with stunning contrasts in colors and textures 25 

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### miles in distant on the Colorado Plateau are 2 

### discernible. 3 

### On moderately hazy days, hikers to the popular 4

### destination of Observation Point on the rim of Zion 5 

### Canyon can barely see the outline of Canyon Mountain, a 6 

### mere 13 miles in distant, while the intensity of the hue 7 

### in canyon walls is diminished to drab oranges and grays. 8 

### Air quality monitoring at Zion from the year 9 

### 2000 to the present indicates that visibility and 10 

### clarity of distant scenic views are impaired by 11 

### human-induced haze approximately 80 percent of the time, 12 

### as compared to the annual average level of 13 

### natural-induced haze. 14

### Diminished visibility does not equate solely 15 

### to the spoiled vistas, but the altered air chemistry 16 

### includes elevated ozone, which damages sensitive plants 17 

### such as quaking Aspen forests, and nitrogen oxide that 18 

### causes nitrogen deposition to soils. This atmospheric 19 

### nitrogen deposition stimulates growth of nonnative 20 

### invasive grasses that can contribute to the catastrophic 21 

### wildfires that we have experienced in recent years and 22 

### also allows them to out compete native vegetation. 23 

### Airborne toxins including mercury are 24

### deposited with rain and snow and are then accumulated in 25 

### the organisms in the area's reproductive andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### neurological systems. 2 

### From 2008 to 2012, a USGS sampling in Zion of 3 

### speckled dace, a small native fish consumed as prey, 4

### showed mercury concentrations that exceed levels 5 

### recommended for human consumption. And at this level 6 

### they are considered unhealthful for fish and wildlife 7 

### that prey on them. 8 

### The state of Utah clearly values and derives 9 

### economic benefit from the millions of domestic and 10 

### international visitors who come to the area to 11 

### experience our world class wonders. More than 3.6 12 

### million visitors were drawn to Zion in 2015. Visitors 13 

### expect to immerse themselves in the iconic landscapes 14

### promoted in coffee table books, travel posters and 15 

### calendar photographs. These visitors contribute 233 16 

### million dollars annually to the local economy around 17 

### Zion National Park. 18 

### The managers at Zion National Park urge the 19 

### EPA to take measures to ensure that Utah's regional haze 20 

### State Implementation Plan be one that's to remedy 21 

### existing visibility impairment and restore air quality 22 

### for the benefit of local residents, park visitors and 23 

### the protection of park fundamental resources and values. 24

### Thank you. 25 

### (Applause).Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 2 

### Mr. Armstrong. Leah McGinnis. 3 

### LEAH McGINNIS: Hi. I'm Leah McGinnis. I am 4

### Superintendent at Capitol Reef National Park. Capitol 5 

### Reef National Park has been described in many different 6 

### ways. However, none are as eloquent as geologist 7 

### Clarence Dutton, whose first impression from atop 8 

### Boulder Mountain overlooking the valley in 1877 were 9 

### described as follows: 10 

### "It is a sublime panorama. The heart of inner 11 

### plateau country is spread out before us in a bird's eye 12 

### view. It is a maze of the cliffs and terraces, red and 13 

### white domes, rock platforms gashed with profound 14

### canyons, burning plains barren even of sage -- all 15 

### glowing with bright color and flooded with blazing 16 

### sunlight. It is the extreme of desolation, the blankest 17 

### of solitude, a superlative desert." 18 

### The Capitol Reef National Park is a geologic 19 

### park with striking features of scientific interest 20 

### including the scenic Waterpocket Fold. Expanding for 21 

### nearly 80 miles, the Waterpocket Fold is recognized as 22 

### the largest exposed monocline in North America. 23 

### This and the other remarkable geologic 24

### features and formations of Capitol Reef National Park, 25 

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### Valley, are widely recognized for their scenic value. 2 

### Visitors often ask where they can go to get the best 3 

### view of these iconic features as the ruggedness of the 4

### country prevents travel through much of the area. 5 

### Visitors to some of the park's scenic 6 

### overlooks are astonished to clearly see the La Sal or 7 

### Abajo Mountains over a hundred miles distant. To be 8 

### able to see such a distance with clarity is an 9 

### exceedingly rare experience for most visitors, and it 10 

### can be an intensely emotional experience to realize how 11 

### much the boundaries of the world have expanded. 12 

### Last year 988,516 visitors traveled to Capitol 13 

### Reef National Park to experience what might be an 14

### unforgettable, once-in-a-lifetime experience for some. 15 

### This is an 18 percent increase over previous years' 16 

### visitations, for a third year in a row, and we certainly 17 

### expect to see the same increase in 2016 as we celebrate 18 

### the National Park Service's 100th anniversary. 19 

### Unfortunately, monitoring data indicates the 20 

### visibility and the clarity of distant views are impaired 21 

### by anthropogenic haze approximately 79 percent of the 22 

### time, relative to the annual average level of natural 23 

### haze. 79 percent of the time our visitors do not 24

### experience those extraordinary views to which clear and 25 

### clean air is essential.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Capitol Reef National Park is a Class 1 area 2 

### under the Clean Air Act and must be managed responsibly 3 

### to protect air quality related values, including 4

### visibility. Clean, clear air contributes to the 5 

### brilliant night skies that make Capitol Reef National 6 

### Park an international Dark Sky Park. 7 

### Capitol Reef offers a wilderness opportunity 8 

### in 82 percent of the parks 241,000 acres. As emphasized 9 

### in the Wilderness Act of 1964, wilderness values and 10 

### purposes, "shall be devoted to the public purposes of 11 

### recreational, scenic, scientific, educational, 12 

### conservational and historical use." 13 

### Expansive vistas extending to far horizons, 14

### vivid night skies, superb scenic views and exceptional 15 

### wilderness experience; clean, clear air is paramount to 16 

### each of these, and we owe it our visiting public. 17 

### Therefore, Capitol Reef National Park supports 18 

### installation of additional NOx controls. Thank you very 19 

### much. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you Miss 22 

### McGinnis. Kate Cannon. 23 

### KATE CANNON: Hello. I'm Kate Cannon. I am 24

### the superintendent for the National Parks Service at 25 

### Arches and Canyonlands National Parks, and I'd like toAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### speak today simply about the essential role of the 2 

### clean, clear air at the national parks, particularly to 3 

### Arches and to Canyonlands National Parks, which on a 4

### clear day offer some of the most spectacular scenic 5 

### views in the country, and which are now among those in 6 

### Utah most adversely affected by regional haze. 7 

### Arches National Park offers sweeping views of 8 

### striking colorful geological features in the foreground, 9 

### against the towering La Sal Mountains in the distance. 10 

### A scene full of color and contrast, but now, often 11 

### fading behind a gray veil of haze. 12 

### Canyonlands National Park offers stunning long 13 

### views across astonishing, varied and colorful landscapes 14

### on all sides, which now fade and disappear behind the 15 

### haze. Currently visitors to Arches and to Canyonlands 16 

### see hazy views to some degree much of the time, we 17 

### estimate perhaps over 80 percent of the time. 18 

### Modeling indicates that NOx emissions from the 19 

### Hunter and the Huntington power plants cause that 20 

### impairment about 20 percent of the time it exists, and 21 

### contribute to that impairment most of the rest of the 22 

### time. 23 

### So looking to the future, with the 24

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### substantial improvement, also shown in the modeling, 2 

### with visibility impairment reduced by about 60 percent 3 

### on the worst days, and significantly reduced on most if 4

### not all of the other days. 5 

### But at what cost? If we look at what costs 6 

### surrounding states have undertaken and consider to be 7 

### cost effective for similar installations, the cost of 8 

### SCR for Hunter and Huntington are similar to those costs 9 

### of the surrounding states. And those states found those 10 

### costs justified in the light of the substantial 11 

### visibility benefits they offered. 12 

### SCR at Hunter and Huntington would provide 13 

### substantial visibility benefits at a reasonable cost, 14

### while the proposed alternative provides no improvement 15 

### over the current conditions. Visibility impairment 16 

### would be reduced by 60 percent with SCR installation on 17 

### those worst days compared to no improvement at all with 18 

### the proposed alternative. 19 

### We have a chance here to clear up the air for 20 

### all of us, and to restore lost visibility to Utah's 21 

### national parks. So we recommend that EPA take that 22 

### step. Require installation of NOx reduction at Hunter 23 

### and Huntington and clear the air. Thank you. 24

### (Applause). 25 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Mr. Parkins, do youAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### want -- you deferred. Would you still like to speak? 2 

### RICK PARKINS: I'd like to speak before five 3 

### if I could. 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Yes. So why don't you 5 

### come up now. 6 

### RICK PARKINS: My name is Rick Parkins. 7 

### That's R-I-C-K, P-A-R-K-I-N-S. I'd like to thank you 8 

### for the opportunity to address you today and I 9 

### appreciate the chance to be included in your decision. 10 

### I want you to know right up front that I 11 

### support the implementation of the state SIP, without 12 

### rejecting any portion of the plan. 13 

### I work in the coal industry, and have been 14

### proud to do my part to provide coal to these powers 15 

### plants, and reliable low cost energy to PacifiCorp's 16 

### customers. I worked with some of the safest and most 17 

### productive coal miners in the world, and they are people 18 

### that you can trust. When they say something, and they 19 

### agree to something, you can count on them to follow 20 

### through. I hope that the EPA would aspire to those 21 

### values. 22 

### My children live and work in Utah County, in 23 

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### available on the Wasatch Front. 2 

### Increased electricity costs will increase the 3 

### possibility that these jobs will no longer be as likely 4

### to stay in the region. Big data is big energy. The NSA 5 

### facility did not locate at Point of the Mountains 6 

### because of the available resources from the colleges. 7 

### It located there because that is a low cost area for 8 

### electric power. 9 

### So it's not just the coal miners of Carbon and 10 

### Emery County and Sevier County that are impacted by this 11 

### decision. 12 

### I have enjoyed the beautiful vistas and clear 13 

### air of eastern Utah over the past 30 years. And I have 14

### always felt that the Huntington power station has a 15 

### remarkably small impact on the environment. 16 

### Have you been there? Have you seen it? In 17 

### the summer there are many days that no plume of any sort 18 

### is visible. In the winter, it appears to me that the 19 

### only plume there is steam, as was evidenced by the 20 

### picture of the Hunter power station. Huntington should 21 

### be the poster child for environmentally friendly power 22 

### as it currently stands. 23 

### I drive I-70 probably more than anybody in 24

### this room. I am back and forth on that highway all the 25 

### time. The vista of the La Sals is something that IAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### greatly appreciate. I have never driven that highway 2 

### when I felt that vista was impacted in any way by the 3 

### Huntington and Hunter power stations. 4

### I have seen the influence of fires in 5 

### California. I have seen the influence of what I believe 6 

### is pollution from LA, but I have not seen the impact 7 

### from those power stations. 8 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Your time has expired. 9 

### RICK PARKINS: Oh, I'm sorry. I have one 10 

### quick thing. I support the State Implementation Plan as 11 

### submitted. I believe it will achieve the reductions 12 

### required in the federal plan. Forcing the federal plan 13 

### on the state without consideration of the state sounds 14

### to me like it's autocratic and insensitive. 15 

### And forcing the PacifiCorp rate payers to pay 16 

### 700 million dollars without any real benefit seems 17 

### inappropriate. 700 million dollars is a lot of money to 18 

### those of us here. It may not be a lot to the federal 19 

### government. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: The next person wrote 22 

### down Jordan F. Is Jordan F here? Jordan just last name 23 

### F initial. 24

### Ronnie Derasary. Ronnie Derasary. If you're 25 

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### in session here. Keith Brody, Brady. B-R-A-D-Y maybe. 2 

### Keith Brady. 3 

### KEITH BRADY: It is Brady, B-R-A-D-Y. 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Sorry about that. 5 

### KEITH BRADY: All right. My name is Keith 6 

### Brady. I'm a commissioner with Emery County. And I 7 

### support the state's implementation plan in its entirety 8 

### and ask you to do the same. According to the SIP Rocky 9 

### Mountain Power acted in good faith and has met or 10 

### exceeded the reduction of particulate matter, SOx and 11 

### NOx. They have complied, according to the SIP, 12 

### implemented BART bag houses for particulate matters, 13 

### scrubbers for SOx, and alternative methods that meet or 14

### exceed BART levels for NOx with low NOx burners and 15 

### over-fire air. 16 

### Rocky Mountain Power spent about 500 million 17 

### dollars to meet or exceed the requirements of the 18 

### particulate matter for SOx and NOx emissions. And the 19 

### cost to implement the SCRs in the five units is 20 

### estimated to be 700 million dollars. The cost is always 21 

### passed to the rate payers. 22 

### The further reduction of NOx with the SCRs 23 

### would not make a visible difference. I have visited the 24

### plants and seen the operations and met with the 25 

### employees. They have clean working environment, and theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### employees seem to love their jobs. 2 

### The economic impact to the Hunter and 3 

### Huntington power plants is a large portion of our 4

### economy in Emery County. The economic impact Rocky 5 

### Mountain Power has had to the economy in direct and 6 

### indirect jobs is about 800 plus jobs. They have been a 7 

### good partner in the area. I mention this because of the 8 

### direct and indirect cost to the power plants. Coal is 9 

### still the lowest cost producer of energy in our area. 10 

### According to the regional health department 11 

### there have been no deleterious health effects to the 12 

### citizens of Emery County based -- by these power plants 13 

### comparing to surrounding counties. 14

### Due to Emery County having these power plants 15 

### located within its borders, it would seem logical Emery 16 

### County would have the highest haze levels from these 17 

### power plants. But our blue skies would say otherwise. 18 

### The further you get in the power plant, the more 19 

### disbursed the emissions become. 20 

### There is no evidence. There is only 21 

### speculation, model, and anecdotal information that the 22 

### haze over these Class 1 areas comes from Huntington and 23 

### Hunter power plants. It seems the majority of the 24

### numbers of the worst haze areas over the Class 1 areas 25 

### last year were due to forest fires from California andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### government control burns in Utah. 2 

### If those areas want to reduce haze, they 3 

### should look at themselves with the numbers of visitors 4

### and car emissions and look at ways to reduce emissions 5 

### near the Class 1 areas. 6 

### The problem we have is that people making 7 

### rules for these areas have never been to these areas. I 8 

### am disappointed in the EPA for many reasons by having 9 

### their meeting here in Salt Lake. One reason in 10 

### particular, by not having the -- this hearing is about 11 

### the Hunter and Huntington plants. 12 

### Two hours in Emery County would have shown you 13 

### and given you firsthand knowledge and witness of our 14

### lack of haze that these power plants produce. The blue 15 

### skies in our area is a rule not the exception. And I 16 

### will be submitting photos with my remarks later so you 17 

### can see them. 18 

### And again, I encourage you to support the 19 

### State Implementation Plan in its entirety. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Carol Walters. 22 

### (Discussion off the record.) 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: We're actually going 24

### to end the hearing for this afternoon, and we will be 25 

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### and you haven't spoken yet, you will be first up at six 2 

### o'clock. So thank you all for coming. This hearing is 3 

### closed. 4

### (Recess from 4:59 p.m. to 6:03 p.m.) 5 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Good evening, 6 

### everyone. We're going to get started. My name is 7 

### Elyana Sutin, and I am from the EPA in Denver, Colorado, 8 

### and I am presiding over this hearing tonight. I will be 9 

### keeping things moving as quickly and as efficiently as 10 

### we can so everyone has a chance to speak that would like 11 

### to. This hearing is now officially in session. 12 

### The subject of tonight's hearing is the 13 

### Environmental Protection Agency's co-proposal for Utah's 14

### Regional Haze State Implementation Plan or SIP. Our 15 

### rulemaking action co-proposes two different approaches. 16 

### The first approach fully approves Utah 17 

### Regional Haze SIP addressing the requirements of the 18 

### Federal Rules For Regional Haze. 19 

### The second approach partially approves and 20 

### partially disapproves Utah's Regional Haze SIP, 21 

### proposing a Federal Implementation Plan or FIP for those 22 

### elements of the SIP for which we are proposing 23 

### disapproval. You will hear more detail regarding the 24

### two approaches in the proposed action from Monica 25 

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### momentarily. 2 

### We ran out of fact sheets, but the fact sheet 3 

### can be found on EPA Region 8 website, and this explains 4

### how you may submit written comments on EPA's proposed 5 

### action and also gives the Federal Register citation for 6 

### the proposed action. 7 

### Jasyln Dobrahner is sitting at the back the 8 

### room. Jasyln, you want to wave your hand? And she can 9 

### assist you with obtaining any information on how to 10 

### supply written comments or if you need a registration 11 

### card if you wish to speak. I'll explain a bit more 12 

### about the registration cards in a moment. 13 

### The hearing is a means for EPA to listen to 14

### your comments on the proposed action that has been 15 

### published as a Federal Register proposed rule. Before I 16 

### turn it over to Monica, let me explain a bit about the 17 

### process and a few ground rules. 18 

### When EPA takes action on a State 19 

### Implementation Plan or a Federal Implementation Plan, it 20 

### is required to do so through rulemaking. This 21 

### rulemaking is governed by laws passed by Congress. For 22 

### SIPs, this is the Administrative Procedures Act. For 23 

### FIPs, the Clean Air Act. 24

### In either case, EPA must publish a proposed 25 

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### proposed rule, and publish a final rule in the Federal 2 

### Register after considering the comments. In the case of 3 

### a FIP, EPA is also required to conduct a hearing, which 4

### is what we're doing today. After considering all of the 5 

### comments, EPA may decide to make changes to the proposed 6 

### rule or it may decide to move forward and finalize one 7 

### of the approaches in the proposed rule. 8 

### We are here tonight to listen to your 9 

### comments. We will attempt to answer any clarifying 10 

### questions about the process or what's contained in the 11 

### proposed action, but we are not here to explain the 12 

### basis of the proposed action. The Federal Register 13 

### notice does that. We cannot engage in a back and forth 14

### discussion of the proposed action or respond to your 15 

### comments during this hearing. 16 

### The purpose of the hearing is to receive your 17 

### input. We will consider and then respond to all 18 

### comments received during the hearing, as well as written 19 

### comments in a final Federal Register notice. If you 20 

### have already made comments, there is no need to repeat 21 

### them today. We are recording our proceeding here 22 

### tonight, so be assured that your comments will be 23 

### considered. 24

### The court reporter sitting to my left will be 25 

### preparing a transcript of tonight's proceeding. ThatAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### will be available to anyone who wants to see it. The 2 

### transcript is part of the record, and will be included 3 

### in the rulemaking docket. The rulemaking docket is 4

### where EPA collects materials it has considered in the 5 

### rulemaking action, including public comments. 6 

### The docket is available on the Internet for 7 

### review at regulations.gov, or can you view a hard copy 8 

### at EPA's Denver office. Specific instructions for 9 

### accessing the docket are described in the Federal 10 

### Register notice for the proposed rulemaking and on the 11 

### fact sheet. The transcript of this hearing will also be 12 

### available in the rulemaking docket. 13 

### Before we begin taking your comments, first 14

### allow me to take a moment to set the stage; that is, to 15 

### explain how the hearing will be run. After I speak, 16 

### Monica, who is sitting with me, will explain the details 17 

### of the proposed action. She will explain EPA's proposed 18 

### action to approve of the state SIP as well as what EPA's 19 

### proposing in its FIP based on the Federal Clean Air Act 20 

### requirements for regional haze. 21 

### I will then call people to speak based on the 22 

### registration card that was filled out when you arrived. 23 

### I will provide the registration card to the court 24

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### are reading from a written statement, it would be 2 

### helpful, though not required, if you could provide a 3 

### copy of your statement to the court reporter or our 4

### staff at the registration table after you have finished 5 

### your remarks. 6 

### Please speak slowly and clearly so the court 7 

### reporter can accurately capture your statement. Also, 8 

### there is space on the back of the registration card for 9 

### providing short written comments. If you are only here 10 

### to observe, there is no need to fill out a registration 11 

### card. 12 

### We have quite a few people here tonight. I 13 

### don't know that everybody wants to speak, but I want to 14

### ensure that everybody has the opportunity to speak about 15 

### the proposed action. So in order to do that, I need to 16 

### keep people's comments brief, three minutes or less. At 17 

### least for now. If we have time at the end, people can 18 

### speak more. 19 

### Please try to be as succinct and on point as 20 

### you can. If I find that we are straying from the topic 21 

### at hand, I will interrupt and ask that you please return 22 

### to the issue before us. If we have time and everyone 23 

### has had the chance to speak, I will allow people to get 24

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### me with monitoring speaker times by raising a yellow 2 

### card when 30 seconds of time remains and raising a pink 3 

### card when time has expired. So that's how we will 4

### proceed. 5 

### Next to speak will be Monica Morales, who will 6 

### explain the proposed action. Thank you. 7 

### MONICA MORALES: Good evening. My name is 8 

### Monica Morales. I am the unit chief of the Air Quality 9 

### Planning Unit for EPA's Region 8 office in Denver. As 10 

### you heard from Ms. Sutin, this hearing concerns EPA's 11 

### proposed action on a portion of Utah's Regional Haze 12 

### State Implementation Plan that addresses the 13 

### requirements pertaining to particulate matter and 14

### nitrogen oxides and visibility impacts those pollutants 15 

### have on wilderness areas and national parks, also known 16 

### as Class 1 areas under the Regional Haze Rule. 17 

### Our proposed action was published in the 18 

### Federal Register on January 14th, 2016. 19 

### The portion of Utah's Regional Haze State 20 

### Implementation Plan or SIP upon which one of EPA's 21 

### proposed action is based includes requirements for 22 

### specific PacifiCorp's Hunter, Huntington and Carbon 23 

### coal-fired power plants. These plants are located in 24

### central Utah. PacifiCorp operates Rocky Mountain Power 25 

### in Utah.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Our January 14th, 2016, rulemaking action 2 

### co-propose two different approaches. The first approach 3 

### fully approves Utah Regional Haze SIP addressing the 4

### requirements of the Regional Haze Rule under 40 Code of 5 

### Federal Regulations 51.309(g). And the second approach 6 

### partially approves and partially disapproves Utah's 7 

### Regional Haze SIP, proposing a Federal implementation 8 

### plan, or FIP, for those elements of the SIP for which we 9 

### are proposing disapproval. 10 

### Under our first approach, EPA's proposing to 11 

### fully approve the two Regional Haze SIP revisions 12 

### submitted by Utah in 2015. Specifically, we are 13 

### proposing to approve the following: 14

### The state's particulate matter best available 15 

### retrofit technology, or BART, determinations for 16 

### PacifiCorp's Hunter Units 1 and 2 and Huntington Units 1 17 

### and 2, the state's nitrogen oxide BART alternative for 18 

### PacifiCorp's Hunter Units 1, 2 and 3, Huntington Units 1 19 

### and 2 and Carbon Units 1 and 2, the state's monitoring, 20 

### recordkeeping and reporting requirements in part H of 21 

### Utah's SIP for the particulate matter BART 22 

### determinations and the nitrogen oxide BART alternative. 23 

### Under our second approach, we are proposing to 24

### approve only the portions of the state SIP that pertain 25 

### to the particulate matter BART and the associatedAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### particulate matter monitoring, recordkeeping and 2 

### reporting requirements for the BART sources. We are 3 

### proposing to find that some aspects Utah Regional Haze 4

### SIP are inconsistent with the regulatory and statutory 5 

### requirements. 6 

### As a result, we are proposing to disapprove 7 

### the state's nitrogen oxide BART alternative for 8 

### PacifiCorp Hunter Units 1, 2 and 3, Huntington Units 1 9 

### and 2 and Carbon Units 1 and 2, and the associated NOx 10 

### monitoring, recordkeeping and reporting requirements for 11 

### the nitrogen oxide BART alternative. 12 

### We are proposing the promulgation of a FIP to 13 

### address the deficiencies in those portions of the 14

### state's SIP which we are proposing to disapprove. 15 

### The co-proposed FIP includes the following 16 

### elements: Nitrogen oxide BART determinations and 17 

### emission limits for PacifiCorp's Hunter Units 1 and 2 18 

### and Huntington Units 1 and 2 and the associated 19 

### monitoring, recordkeeping and reporting requirements 20 

### applicable for these four BART units for which there is 21 

### a FIP emission limit. 22 

### As part of the public comment process, EPA is 23 

### specifically requesting that interested parties provide 24

### any additional information or analysis regarding the 25 

### proposed action. For example, modeled visibilityAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### benefits of the BART alternative compared to BART and 2 

### whether the interested parties think EPA should consider 3 

### options that differ somewhat from the proposed BART 4

### alternative or the BART control technology option which 5 

### could be finalized as the FIP if we disapprove the 6 

### state's SIP submitted in our final action. 7 

### EPA will consider all comments and information 8 

### received, including additional options for control 9 

### technologies and timing, before issuing a final action. 10 

### We anticipate that there will be differing 11 

### views regarding the state's BART alternative SIP and 12 

### what course of action EPA should take. This is because 13 

### of the complex nature of the BART alternative, the 14

### analysis that it supports and consideration of that 15 

### analysis under statutory and regulatory framework and 16 

### implications of EPA's actions. 17 

### Given these considerations, EPA decided to 18 

### solicit comments to support either a proposed action to 19 

### approve the state's SIP in its entirety or a proposed 20 

### action to partially approve and partially disapprove the 21 

### state's SIP and propose a FIP. 22 

### As is done with other states, EPA would work 23 

### with the state on a revised state plan should a partial 24

### disapproval and FIP be finalized. If EPA finalizes our 25 

### federal plan and the state finalizes a revised plan thatAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### adequately addresses regional haze, our federal plan 2 

### could be superseded upon approval of the state's revised 3 

### plan. 4

### We are accepting written comments for 60 days 5 

### after the proposed action was published in the Federal 6 

### Register on January 14th, 2016, and written comments 7 

### must therefore be received by EPA on or before March 8 

### 14th, 2016. Your comments are encouraged. We consider 9 

### all comments in finalizing our action on the state's 10 

### regional haze plan and our federal plan. 11 

### Thank you. And we appreciate your attendance 12 

### tonight, and I'll turn it back over to Ms. Sutin to call 13 

### up our first commenter. 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. When I call 15 

### your name, if you can please come to the podium and make 16 

### your remarks. Our first speaker will be Kathryn Albury. 17 

### KATHRYN ALBURY: My name is Kathryn Albury. 18 

### K-A-T-R-H-R-Y-N, A-L-B-U-R-Y. Miss Chairman and EPA 19 

### representatives, I thank you for being here today and 20 

### listening to the words of a public -- of the public. I 21 

### know this has been a long day for you, and you have 22 

### heard many of the same ideas over and over again. 23 

### Please keep in mind that we are the public speaking. 24

### We, the public are not paid to come here and speak. 25 

### Since many of us have divested of ourAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### interests in fossil fuels, we don't make any money from 2 

### these power plants. We are speaking here because we are 3 

### truly concerned about air quality in our state. 4

### The power plants in question today are far 5 

### away and near the little towns of Huntington and Castle 6 

### Dale in the shadow of the Manti-La Sal National Forest 7 

### with eight national parks within 85 miles, all with 8 

### beautiful vistas. 9 

### Unfortunately, they are unable to keep their 10 

### air in only Emery County, and with its haze their air 11 

### gets blown around until it's spread all over the state 12 

### and far beyond. Truly, whatever goes out of the 13 

### smokestacks at these two plants goes all over the world 14

### and contributes to the greenhouse effect that is 15 

### changing our climate. 16 

### Our responsibility here is to protect the 17 

### people, the people of Castle Dale and Huntington, the 18 

### people on the Wasatch Front, the people of Utah, and the 19 

### United States, and indeed the whole world. 20 

### I understand there are two plans before you. 21 

### One is business as usual. The other adds modern 22 

### pollution control devices to these smokestacks. These 23 

### are old plants, built in the 1970's well before there 24

### was so much concern about the now well understood health 25 

### effects of dirty air.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### These plants are owned by a tangle of mega 2 

### corporations, and I'm sure their officers are concerned 3 

### about how safety regulation relating to the burning of 4

### coal will damage their businesses. I hope they are just 5 

### as worried about how business as usual degrades the 6 

### quality of life in Utah and beyond. 7 

### But times are changing. So what else is new? 8 

### The times are always changing. We know now how to 9 

### eliminate some of the health robbing pollutants from 10 

### these smokestack emissions. So why not do that? 11 

### I would ask that you go the next step and 12 

### remove all CO2 emissions. Sadly, I think that is beyond 13 

### the scope of today's hearing. I am sure that if the 14

### public were asking for more electricity, these companies 15 

### would be glad to gear up and build more plants. This 16 

### member of the public is asking for cleaner air. 17 

### Hopefully the companies that own Hunter and Huntington 18 

### plants would be as responsive to that request. 19 

### I ask that you, as the regulatory agency 20 

### protecting my best interest, hold them to that. Please 21 

### adopt the second plan, the FIP. Thank you for your 22 

### patience and your attention. 23 

### (Applause). 24

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Miss 25 

### Albury. Next, we can have Carol Walters. CarolAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Walters. Martha Waters. Richard Dillon. Lindon 2 

### Emerson. Sandy Hill. Cory MacNulty. 3 

### CORY MacNULTY: Thank you for the opportunity 4

### to comment today. I am Cory MacNulty. C-O-R-Y, 5 

### M-A-C-N-U-T-L-Y. And I am speaking on behalf of the 6 

### National Parks Conservation Association, a nearly 7 

### 100-year-old organization long committed to the 8 

### conservation and protection of our country's national 9 

### parks and their cherished resources, and our more than a 10 

### million members and supporters across the country. 11 

### We see only one real choice of the two options 12 

### advanced by the EPA, and that choice is cutting 9,886 13 

### tons per year of nitrogen oxide emissions, a 76 percent 14

### reduction from Units 1 and 2 at both Hunter and 15 

### Huntington. The state's best available retrofit 16 

### technology eligible sources under the Clean Air Act. 17 

### Everyone from PacifiCorp to the state and EPA 18 

### to the National Park Service and other public interest 19 

### groups like NPCA acknowledge that pollution from Hunter 20 

### and Huntington contribute to haze in eight national 21 

### parks, including Utah's mighty five, Arches, 22 

### Canyonlands, Bryce, Capitol Reef and Zion, as well as 23 

### Grand Canyon, Mesa Verde and Black Canyon of the 24

### Gunnison National Park. 25 

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### of the landscape that should be visible through Delicate 2 

### Arch at Arches National Park, and from the Island in the 3 

### Sky viewpoint at Canyonlands. 4

### PacifiCorp should be held to the same 5 

### standards as over 250 similar facilities across the 6 

### country which are required to operate selective 7 

### catalytic reduction to cut nitrogen oxide pollution. 8 

### We ask the EPA to reject the state's 9 

### alternative proposal. It would cut zero 10 

### visibility-impairing pollutants from two of the state's 11 

### largest coal plants polluting our parks and unjustly 12 

### claim that pollution reductions already achieved by the 13 

### closure of the Carbon plant are a victory for our future 14

### and victory for the parks. The alternative is a lost 15 

### opportunity, not a victory. 16 

### With the concentration of extraordinary 17 

### national parks in Utah that draw over 10 million 18 

### visitors from around the world, and that add 730 million 19 

### dollars to Utah's economy, we urge the EPA to require 20 

### the same level of pollution controls on Hunter and 21 

### Huntington as our neighboring states, and bring months 22 

### of the additional cleaner air days to southwestern 23 

### national parks. 24

### Now, if I may, I would like to add a more 25 

### personal comment as a mother and as someone who lovesAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### our national parks. Last year my family, including my 2 

### two young sons, took spring break in Capitol Reef 3 

### National Park, where we journeyed down Notom road, up 4

### the Burr Trail Switchbacks and hiked to an overlook 5 

### along the Upper Muley Twist Canyon. 6 

### The goal of that adventure was to see the 7 

### length of the Waterpocket Fold, but when we reached the 8 

### top, the expansive view was cut by haze, and the vivid 9 

### layers of colors were muddy. 10 

### I know that the coal pollution alone didn't 11 

### cause that level of haze. But with Capitol Reef less 12 

### than 85 miles from Hunter and Huntington, it was likely 13 

### a contributing factor. We have the opportunity and the 14

### ability right now to significantly cut pollution from 15 

### these coal plants and remove it from the equation. 16 

### Living in Utah, my children will probably have 17 

### another chance to see Capitol Reef from that vantage 18 

### point, hopefully on a clear day. But many visitors only 19 

### get one chance to create those memories. Thank you. 20 

### (Applause). 21 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, 22 

### Ms. MacNulty. Catherine Sharpsteen. 23 

### CATHERINE SHARPSTEEN: Hello. I am Catherine 24

### Sharpsteen. Do you need me to spell my name? 25 

### C-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E, S-H-A-R-P-S-T-E-E-N. I can't pretendAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### to have technical expertise, But I do know what it's 2 

### like to view Utah's world class scenery through haze. 3 

### When haze blurs those vistas, we have lost something 4

### vital, not just to our enjoyment, but to the very 5 

### wellbeing of ourselves and of the land itself. 6 

### I don't have expertise, but I do hold the 7 

### value that short-term profits should never be considered 8 

### over long-term health. 9 

### I don't have expertise, but I do know that if 10 

### there exists a technical solution for this pollution 11 

### problem, such as selective catalytic reduction, it 12 

### should be used. Better yet it would be to find an 13 

### alternative to coal-fired power production. It may be 14

### more expensive, but we are worth it. 15 

### I am taking your time to say this not because 16 

### it's a unique thought, but because, for every commenter 17 

### like me, there are many others who feel the same way, 18 

### and -- but aren't able to comment. 19 

### I am advocating for the most stringent 20 

### controls on air pollution in coal-fired power plants on 21 

### behalf of all of us. Thank you. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Cindy 24

### King. 25 

### CINDY KING: My name is Cindy king. K-I-N-G.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### I am for the second option, the Federal Implementation 2 

### Plan for Regional Haze for three reasons. Thirty years 3 

### ago my husband was a Division of Air Quality official, 4

### sat on a panel called the integrated vistas for 5 

### protection of our national parks. The state of Utah did 6 

### nothing. 7 

### Second reason. NOx is a precursor of haze and 8 

### ozone and secondary particulates. If NOx is present, 9 

### CO2 is present, known as a climate chaos compound as 10 

### part of the public trust doctrine that is incorporated 11 

### in the Clean Air Act. 12 

### Three, the only cost looked at was Rocky 13 

### Mountain coal power plants, between 7 and 8 million 14

### dollars. No other costs was looked at like tourism, 15 

### Native America culture sites, public health or 16 

### environmental degradation. 17 

### Thank you so very much for your time. 18 

### (Applause). 19 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Jen Colby. 20 

### Jen Colby. Pat Clay. Pat Clay. Jill Merritt. 21 

### JILL MERRITT: Thank you for creating this 22 

### public process for us, and for allowing me to speak on a 23 

### nontechnical way from my heart. 24

### I am a product of what I think of very fondly 25 

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### ago, I sat with my classmates in bolted-down wooden 2 

### desks at Irving Junior High and learned about Utah 3 

### history. Miss Law was our teacher. 4

### She taught us about the geography of Lake 5 

### Bonneville, the people who lived here before the 6 

### pioneers came, the importance of achieving statehood, 7 

### and the meaning of citizenship in a state, part of a 8 

### larger entity, the United States of America. 9 

### Other classes and other teachers have taught 10 

### me that people belong to the land, not the other way 11 

### around. That beautiful landscapes in our national parks 12 

### need to be preserved for all people to enjoy, that the 13 

### air over the parks can be protected from the dirty haze 14

### produced by coal plants. And that working within public 15 

### structures can succeed in pulling humanity back from the 16 

### very brink of disaster. I hope so. I guess we'll see. 17 

### (Applause). 18 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Ian Wade. Ian Wade. 19 

### Allison Jones. Allison Jones. Margie McCloy. Margie 20 

### McCloy. Victoria Sethunya. Did I say that right? 21 

### Victoria Sethunya. Helen -- or excuse me, Helene Cuomo. 22 

### Helene Cuomo. Jerry Urlacher. 23 

### JERRY URLACHER: Close. 24

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Sorry. 25 

### MR. URLACHER: Hello. My name is JerryAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Urlacher. That's J-E-R-R-Y, U-R-L-A-C-H-E-R. I came to 2 

### Utah in 1973, that's 43 years ago, after being released 3 

### from active duty having served in the U.S. Navy in 4

### Vietnam. I came to Utah to pursue my education at Utah 5 

### State University, and I have a degree in wilderness 6 

### recreation management. 7 

### And I came to Utah to enjoy this world class 8 

### skiing and to spend time in Utah's spectacular 9 

### wilderness, backpacking, hiking, canyoneering, outdoor 10 

### pursuits that I didn't have much of an opportunity to 11 

### pursue while growing up in rural North Dakota. And I 12 

### have been exploring Utah's national parks and wilderness 13 

### for almost 43 years, and I continue to do so in my 14

### current retirement. 15 

### And over those years, I have observed a 16 

### deterioration of the air quality. Fewer crystal clear 17 

### days and an increase in the haze with skies that have 18 

### become a little less blue. I feel that pollution from 19 

### coal-fired power plants threatens our skies, our health 20 

### and our livelihoods. 21 

### Here in Utah we pride ourselves on the beauty 22 

### of our world-renowned national parks. Visitors to our 23 

### parks come from all across the world, and adds some 12 24

### billion dollars to the state's economy which supports 25 

### about 130,000 jobs. And that's about one out of everyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### 10 jobs in our state. 2 

### Unfortunately though, now too many of our 3 

### visitors aren't greeted by those amazing vistas and 4

### clear skies they came for, but by vistas that are now 5 

### partially obscured by haze pollution from coal-fired 6 

### power plants. 7 

### I urge the EPA to implement the Clean Parks 8 

### Plan and require cuts of coal-fired power plant 9 

### pollution by requiring installation of industry-accepted 10 

### pollution controls, SCR, pollution controls that are 11 

### already in use at more than 250 coal burning U.S. power 12 

### plants. 13 

### We cannot wait until 2060, that's 2060, to 14

### protect our national parks and wilderness areas to 15 

### return them to natural visibility. Thank you. 16 

### (Applause). 17 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next Ashley Soltysiak. 18 

### Is that wrong? S-O-L-T-Y-S-I-A-K. Nick Mills. Nick 19 

### Mills. Mark Compton. Mark Compton. Steve Moore. 20 

### Steve Moore. Jay Marple. 21 

### JAY MARPLE: Good evening. My name is Jay 22 

### Marple. J-A-Y, M-A-R-P-L-E. I work in the Price and 23 

### live in Price, Utah area. I am general manager for 24

### Savage. You know, we're a Utah-based transportation and 25 

### logistics company with 70 years experience in that area,Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### and we have more than 200 operating locations across 2 

### North America and globally. 3 

### We have worked closely with PacifiCorp and 4

### Bowie Resource Partners and have a long history of 5 

### providing supply chain solutions for our customers' 6 

### power plant and coal mining operations in Utah. Savage 7 

### agrees with the position taken by PacifiCorp and Bowie 8 

### on this issue. 9 

### We believe the Utah Department of 10 

### Environmental Quality Regional Haze State Implementation 11 

### Plan provides a greater reasonable progress towards 12 

### visibility goals at a significantly lower cost than does 13 

### the EPA co-proposal that would require the installation 14

### of selective catalyst reduction. 15 

### From 2007 to 2015 the requirements imposed by 16 

### the Utah's Regional Haze State Implementation Plan and 17 

### revision have been fully implemented. Therefore, we 18 

### encourage the EPA to approve the state plan as 19 

### submitted. 20 

### The alternative measure included in the Utah 21 

### Regional Haze State Implementation Plan revision would 22 

### result in lower total emissions and improve visibility. 23 

### It would also save PacifiCorp customers hundreds of 24

### millions of dollars as compared to the cost of 25 

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### limits being proposed by the EPA. 2 

### For these reasons we support Option 1 of EPA's 3 

### proposed rule allowing for the implementation of Utah's 4

### state plan. It is in the best interests of Utah 5 

### residents to avoid the unnecessary costs that EPA's 6 

### second proposed option for NOx emissions would impose, 7 

### without producing meaningful visibility improvements 8 

### above those already achieved. 9 

### On a personal note also, I do live in Carbon 10 

### County. It's where my family is from. And right now, 11 

### we have up to, you know, a hundred employees and 12 

### families that work for us that depend on these power 13 

### plants for jobs. So thank you for your time. 14

### (Applause). 15 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next 16 

### Sharon Clark. 17 

### SHARON CLARK: Thank you for allowing me to 18 

### speak to you this evening. My name is Sharon Clark. 19 

### S-H-A-R-O-N, C-L-A-R-K. Living in Utah we value 20 

### wilderness areas and breathing clean air. Technology is 21 

### now available that will reduce 75 percent of harmful air 22 

### pollution that is currently polluting our air at eight 23 

### national parks, including Arches, Canyonlands and 24

### Capitol Reef National Parks. 25 

### The Hunter and Huntington plants areAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### responsible for 40 percent of the dangerous haze-causing 2 

### nitrogen oxide pollution emitted by the electricity 3 

### sector. 4

### Pollution from the plants contributes to 11 5 

### premature deaths and 233 asthma attacks every year, 6 

### according to the Clean Air Task Force. One death is a 7 

### tragedy, but this pollution contributes to 11 premature 8 

### deaths per year. I don't know that you can put a price 9 

### tag on that. 10 

### Let us be proactive in taking care of the 11 

### environment, our people and visitors to the great state 12 

### of Utah, as our neighbors in New Mexico, Colorado and 13 

### Arizona have done. 14

### I believe we should reject the State of Utah's 15 

### proposal and implement the federal proposal that will 16 

### support long lasting change and provide for cleaner air 17 

### in the concerned areas. Thank you. 18 

### (Applause). 19 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 20 

### we can have Marjorie Rasmussen. 21 

### MARJORIE RASMUSSEN: Thank you. Every time I 22 

### visit one of our national parks, I am overwhelmed by 23 

### their beauty. These are places as a Utah resident that 24

### I can visit in just a day's drive. How amazing is that? 25 

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### these areas are protected. Arizona does it. New Mexico 2 

### does it. Colorado does it. Why not Utah? 3 

### Our communities, our economy and our visitors 4

### deserve the Clean Parks Plan, the second one. 5 

### Installing modern pollution controls on two aging coal 6 

### plants in the disputable area will make the air we 7 

### breathe cleaner, and it will keep the view spectacular 8 

### for millions of people. The parks are for all the 9 

### people. 10 

### The EPA recently put in place the fair 11 

### protections of the Clean Parks Plan. Allowing 5,000 12 

### pounds of nitrogen oxide to pour out of these plants 13 

### every hour of every day is frightening, and simply 14

### should not be considered an option. 15 

### Closure of the Carbon plant was a benefit, but 16 

### the state's plan to use this as a bank simply robs Peter 17 

### to pay Paul and it doesn't make sense. It really 18 

### doesn't. 19 

### We all deserve better. These are the people's 20 

### parks, our parks and our home. And that is why I am 21 

### here in favor of the Clean Parks Plan and asking the EPA 22 

### to be in favor of it also. Thank you. 23 

### (Applause). 24

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, if we can have 25 

### Cordell Roy.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### CORDELL ROY: Hi. My name is Cordell Roy. 2 

### C-O-R-D-E-L-L, R-O-Y, last name. Improvement in 3 

### regional haze benefits us all. Congress recognized 4

### national parks and wilderness areas because of their 5 

### outstanding air-quality-related values as worthy of the 6 

### highest level of protection. And because they are 7 

### identifiable, specific areas located throughout our 8 

### nation, those areas are indicators of regional air 9 

### quality. 10 

### Deterioration or lack of improvement of 11 

### regional air quality adversely affects us all because 12 

### air we can't see through really is not good for us to 13 

### breathe. Of course, I advocate for protection of Class 14

### 1 areas to the highest degree. I submit that we all 15 

### benefit as visitors to those iconic Class 1 areas from 16 

### air quality improvement. But also as residents of those 17 

### regions. It follows that improved air quality inside a 18 

### Class 1 area extends far beyond that area's boundary. 19 

### Excuse me. 20 

### Haven't these regional haze considerations 21 

### been going on long enough? A State Implementation Plan 22 

### that was supposed to begin in 2007 is still dragging on 23 

### in 2016. Surely Class 1 areas in Utah deserve better 24

### than that. 25 

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### Regional Haze Plan as it makes no meaningful improvement 2 

### to the regional haze problem, and recommend the 3 

### implementation of best availability retrofit technology 4

### by requiring selective catalytic reduction at Hunter and 5 

### Huntington Units 1 and 2. 6 

### (Applause). 7 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, 8 

### Lucas Earl. Lucas Earl. Stan Holmes. 9 

### STAN HOLMES: Good evening. My name is Stan 10 

### Holmes. S-T-A-N, H-O-L-M-E-S. And I'm with the Utah 11 

### Citizens Advocating Renewable Energy. I'd like to thank 12 

### you for this opportunity for public input. 13 

### Our group was formed two years ago to 14

### challenge Berkshire Hathaway's, operating here as Rocky 15 

### Mountain Power, PacifiCorp, efforts to punish rooftop 16 

### solar producers. We have several interests at UCare in 17 

### regional haze reduction. 18 

### Of course, we all look at the pollution 19 

### threats to our families and our state. We also look at 20 

### the ongoing obstacles to clean energy, clean air 21 

### development because the fossil fuel industry has 22 

### tremendous power in our otherwise sunny state. 23 

### We have raised concerns about haze and 24

### haze-related issues on many occasions over the past 25 

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### of coal extraction, combustion and disposal are 2 

### incorporated into policy formulation. 3 

### The state government of Utah has not been 4

### particularly cooperative. We first weighed in with the 5 

### public comment to the DAQ, Division of Air Quality, in 6 

### December of 2014, on the Regional Haze SIP progress 7 

### report. And in that submission, we recognized that the 8 

### focus on haze is really in fact a focus on air quality 9 

### degradation by pollution. 10 

### Most adults know that haze means the air is 11 

### polluted with contaminants that were not healthy for 12 

### humans. And this document and three other documents are 13 

### included on the CD that we are submitting for the 14

### hearing record. 15 

### We are concerned that the health care and 16 

### other economic costs, as well as environmental costs, 17 

### associated with haze generating were not quantified or 18 

### otherwise addressed. 19 

### We felt and still feel that the societal costs 20 

### of electrical generation units, EGUs, and the identified 21 

### BART coal-fired plants specifically should have been 22 

### identified and factored into the determination of 23 

### reasonable costs of -- for the reducing levels of sulfur 24

### dioxide, nitrous oxide and other harmful pollutants. 25 

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### basically we asked for some addition of what are 2 

### sometimes referred to as externalized societal costs. 3 

### That was not done. 4

### We learned that in 2010 Senna Energy Economics 5 

### had conducted a report for the state of Utah in which it 6 

### assumed that there were hundreds of premature deaths 7 

### connected to EGUs in Utah, as well as perhaps a billion 8 

### dollars in health care costs. But on the bright side, 9 

### to a certain extent, I suppose in a twisted way, is that 10 

### most of those premature deaths were downwind in 11 

### Colorado. So we have Colorado downwinders. 12 

### We support Option 2 and would like the federal 13 

### government to step in where the state has failed. Thank 14

### you. 15 

### (Applause). 16 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Holmes. 17 

### Bob Brister. Bob Brister. Kyle, is it Lore? 18 

### KYLE LORE: Lore. Kyle Lore. K-Y-L-E, 19 

### L-O-R-E. Brief statement, sorry. Just a brief comment. 20 

### I'm a chef by trade. Allowing the state to continually 21 

### shortcut modernization in the mining and energy sector 22 

### has led us to the point where we are known for bad air. 23 

### As a chef and avid outdoorsman, it has a 24

### direct affect on my income and my quality of life. As a 25 

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### discretionary income. I have both watched and 2 

### participated over the years as Utah has slowly moved 3 

### from a resource-stripping-based economy to a more 4

### diverse business and tourist-based economy especially in 5 

### the regions that are near the national parks. 6 

### In all aspects this movement has insulated our 7 

### economy from the boom to bust mining economy of the past 8 

### and given us a better economic growth through the 9 

### recession than other states. 10 

### The state has been historically slow to change 11 

### in matters of environmental impact. At some point the 12 

### importance of the sustainable resource that our clean 13 

### environment provides to a greater number of citizens, by 14

### bringing the adventure tourist dollars to all areas of 15 

### our state, has to be seen as more important than 16 

### allowing PacifiCorp and their parent company, Berkshire 17 

### Hathaway, to do business as usual. 18 

### Their own facilities in many other states are 19 

### modernized and Berkshire Hathaway list among it's 20 

### corporate principles regulatory integrity and 21 

### environmental respect. What a great opportunity for 22 

### them abide by those core principles. 23 

### For the State of Utah Department of 24

### Environmental Quality to allow have them to have an 25 

### ongoing 12 year hall pass on basic modernization isAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### unacceptable. The time to force their hands has come. 2 

### We are demanding clean parks. 3 

### (Applause). 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Kenwyn Derby. 5 

### KENWYN DERBY: Hi. Thank you. My name is 6 

### Kenwyn Derby. K-E-N-W-Y-N. Last name, D-E-R-B-Y. And 7 

### I am a citizen representing my family and friends. I am 8 

### here to advocate for the second plan, the clean parks 9 

### federal plan, and rejection of the state's alternative 10 

### plan. 11 

### I think about this a lot, and I think, what is 12 

### the real question? This is a democracy, and while we 13 

### are also a capitalist nation that encourages and 14

### benefits from entrepreneurism and outputs from energy, 15 

### and we need energy. 16 

### As a democracy, we should prioritize the good 17 

### of the community, which here includes such a vast 18 

### majority of our citizens as to almost equal 100 percent 19 

### of us, over the profits of a very few. 20 

### I sympathize with the coal companies workers 21 

### and all of the associated companies that work with them. 22 

### I sympathize with their fears regarding their 23 

### livelihood. But I think we would be naive to think that 24

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### their very sizable profit. 2 

### If other coal burning facilities and 3 

### especially similar and conservative states near us can 4

### install these modern pollution reduction controls, why 5 

### not here? 6 

### We need energy. But it doesn't mean we have 7 

### to suffer with haze and reduced enjoyment of our 8 

### gorgeous country that drives a lot of our economy, or 9 

### most importantly, sickness and death of the workers 10 

### themselves as well. 11 

### These pollution controls do something. The 12 

### company seems to argue that they won't make much of a 13 

### difference. But then why do 250 other facilities have 14

### these already installed? It is in the state's interest 15 

### to lower medical costs, to raise tourism revenues and to 16 

### care about their citizens. And if the EPA won't side 17 

### with health and environment over private profits, who 18 

### will? 19 

### We have a democracy because we work together 20 

### to provide protections for ourselves. This is not an 21 

### oligarchy. And there isn't a good reason to not go with 22 

### the Clean Parks Plan. Thank you. 23 

### (Applause). 24

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, Charles 25 

### Trentalman.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### CHARLES TRENTALMAN: Thank you. That's 2 

### Charles, common spelling, Trentalman. 3 

### T-R-E-N-T-A-L-M-A-N. Thank you. I won't claim to know 4

### the difference between a FIP and a SIP. But I just 5 

### wanted to talk about some of the direct costs to Utah's 6 

### dirty air. The Department -- Utah Department of Health 7 

### says that close to 10 percent of all residents in the 8 

### state suffer from asthma. I am one of them. If you 9 

### know someone with asthma, you know that Utah's bad air 10 

### days make the problem worse. 11 

### Asthma can be controlled with drugs. Last 12 

### week I renewed my prescription for rescue inhaler to 13 

### deal with sudden attacks, and a steroid inhaler to 14

### prevent attacks. These two medications are standard and 15 

### very common, and I would be happy to show the receipts. 16 

### Between my copay and what my insurance paid, 17 

### these two drugs cost about $450 dollars. These were 18 

### meant to last one month. Although I, like many people, 19 

### stretch that out, because I don't have that much money 20 

### either. So what? Insurance pays. But it gets the 21 

### money from you and me in the form of insurance premiums. 22 

### My own insurance is PEHP, which means my 23 

### premiums cost money from Utah taxpayers to pay for my 24

### drugs. It's the same no matter which insurance you 25 

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### When an asthma sufferer buys their drugs, we 2 

### all pay. How much? If you do the math, monthly 3 

### medications for Utah's nearly 300,000 asthma sufferers 4

### cost about 135 million dollars every month. That is 5 

### money you and I pay every month. When the air is bad, 6 

### we pay more. 7 

### My night in an emergency room three years ago 8 

### cost you and me and everyone in the state $5,000. And 9 

### the surgery from pneumonia three months later was more 10 

### than $40,000, all costs made worse by bad air. Thank 11 

### you. 12 

### (Applause). 13 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next 14

### Matthew Hope. 15 

### MATTHEW HOPE: How are you guys doing today? 16 

### Ain't America awesome. Hear everybody. See what we got 17 

### to say. I have a lot going through my brain right now. 18 

### Should have written it all down, but whatever comes out 19 

### comes out. I just want to talk to an open heart and an 20 

### open mind. We all have our way of life. We all live in 21 

### this world. We all do our best. Don't we? 22 

### VOICE: Not always. 23 

### MATTHEW HOPE: Not always. Live and learn, 24

### right? But the question is, if you take away my job, 25 

### what am I going to do? Am I going to sit downstairs andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### ask for food? I don't know what I am going to do. I 2 

### got three kids to take care of. 3 

### This is my way of life. I didn't plan for 4

### this. But here I am thrown in the mix, war of words, 5 

### whatever you want to call it. But we're all healthy. 6 

### We got our inhalers, I guess. I don't know. But we're 7 

### healthy. We're here. Isn't that something? I mean, I 8 

### think we need to focus on this and then focus on someone 9 

### else. 10 

### Come down to the coal mines. Come and see 11 

### what we're about. If you don't know us, get to know us, 12 

### and we'll get to know you, too. Because we're united, 13 

### and if we're not, we're something worse. So let's be 14

### together. Let's find a solution because we all got to 15 

### live. Thanks. 16 

### (Applause). 17 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Mr. Hope. 18 

### Next Dave Thomas. 19 

### DAVE THOMAS: Dave Thomas. D-A-V-E, 20 

### T-H-O-M-A-S. I am speaking as a citizen. I am asking 21 

### the EPA to reject the State Implementation Plan. I'd 22 

### like to say that this is not easy for me. I live in 23 

### Utah, but I was born and raised in Montana. My father 24

### was a coal miner. His father was a coal miner. He died 25 

### of black lung disease.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### My mother's father was a coal miner. Her 2 

### brothers were coal miners. So I am well aware of the 3 

### things that happen when coal mines and jobs close down 4

### and that sort of thing. But I am still asking the EPA 5 

### to reject the State Implementation Plan. 6 

### My basic logic on this is that I have 7 

### absolutely no faith that the environmental regulators in 8 

### Utah will do anything to clean up haze or air in Utah 9 

### unless there is a federal presence. 10 

### (Applause). 11 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Tom 12 

### Benhard. 13 

### TOM BENHARD: Benhard. 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Benhard. 15 

### TOM BENHARD: I'd like to thank you for having 16 

### me. Tom Benhard. B-E-N-H-A-R-D, last name. I 17 

### appreciate the opportunity to take a few minutes. Like 18 

### the couple of previous, I don't have anything written. 19 

### But I would like to say I've participated with the Utah 20 

### Physicians For Healthy Environment in this area and have 21 

### done some presentations regarding the negative 22 

### externalities; in other words, the health impacts of bad 23 

### air. And even though the EPA is using the terms haze, 24

### as people have mentioned, it's a health issue. 25 

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### events, there's arrhythmias. There's also -- it's also 2 

### been linked to, as mentioned, premature deaths. Also 3 

### genetic mutations that can go down multiple generations. 4

### So -- and I empathize with the coal workers. 5 

### But just realize that his family is also exposed to this 6 

### air, and those mutations are going to be manifested in 7 

### their families as well. 8 

### As far as costs goes, you know, PacifiCorp, I 9 

### lecture up there, is responsible for the extraction. 10 

### But our taxpayer dollars are subsidizing those coal 11 

### leases. And so I encourage the implementation of the 12 

### FIP, the federal plan, and know that we need some 13 

### federal oversight to clean up our air. And I thank you 14

### for your time. 15 

### (Applause). 16 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 17 

### we could have Jared Carson. 18 

### JARED CARSON: Jared Carson. J-A-R-E-D, 19 

### C-A-R-S-O-N. I am in favor of the State Implementation 20 

### Plan. I currently work as a coal miner. Going to 21 

### school to become an engineer. But it seems like, from 22 

### my personal observation, the majority of us in favor of 23 

### the state or of the federal plan speak of the value of 24

### air quality, and that's something that people on both 25 

### sides value.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Ironically, one of the major reasons that 2 

### people live in the communities that they do that provide 3 

### your energy, the reason they live there is because of 4

### the high air quality. 5 

### One of the problems a lot of people have in 6 

### Salt Lake, they view bad air quality. They view Utah as 7 

### having bad air quality. But the air quality, that's -- 8 

### you can see in Salt Lake Utah Valley, that's not coming 9 

### from those power plants. And more restrictions on those 10 

### power plants isn't going to change it. That's a 11 

### separate problem. 12 

### Also, most of the pollutants above these 13 

### national parks we are talking about, admittedly from the 14

### directors of the parks, isn't coming from those power 15 

### plants either. 16 

### Utah has been working on improving the air 17 

### quality. They did shut down one plant. That is 18 

### significant. That does a lot more than just putting 19 

### retrofitting. That removes all of the pollutants from 20 

### that plant production. 21 

### They speak of the plants about them being 22 

### built in the seventies, complaining that they haven't 23 

### been retrofitted since the seventies. They have been 24

### retrofitted in the 2000s. It is not the -- it is not 25 

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### I value clean air. And you know, if I had to 2 

### live in Salt Lake in this air, I would probably be 3 

### willing to pay quite a bit to fix it. One of the 4

### reasons I don't live here is because of that. And many 5 

### people on the -- who are proponents of more regulation, 6 

### they seem to have the mentality of all possible controls 7 

### at any cost. But we need to look at what the 8 

### improvements are going to be, when they are only 9 

### marginal improvements for a huge amount of money. 10 

### There is talk about naivety. The owners, 11 

### PacifiCorp, is not going to just pull out of their 12 

### pocket and pay for it. That money is going to get 13 

### passed on to all the rate payers. That money is going 14

### to come from everyone else. If we are not going to get 15 

### value out of that money, there's no point in paying it. 16 

### If technology improves and we can get better 17 

### technology to make more meaningful progress on 18 

### pollution, that money is already spent is pretty much 19 

### wasted. 20 

### So anyway, I am in favor of the State 21 

### Implementation Plan, thanks. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Kate Bowman. 24

### KATE BOWMAN: Hello. My name is Kate Bowman. 25 

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### Utah Clean Energy. We are a nonprofit, nonpartisan 2 

### clean energy advocacy organization based in Salt Lake, 3 

### and we have been working in Utah for 15 years. 4

### Thank you for coming to Salt Lake to hear 5 

### comments on this important issue. Utah Clean Energy 6 

### works to prevent wasteful energy use, create clean 7 

### energy and build smart energy features. 8 

### Climate change dictates that we make a quick 9 

### and proactive transition to a diverse portfolio of clean 10 

### energy resources, including distributing clean energy 11 

### efficiency resources. Utah Clean Energy's work to this 12 

### end is guided by a vision of healthy driving 13 

### communities, empowered and sustained by clean energy. 14

### Our national parks are a unique and 15 

### spectacular part of Utah's character and are the 16 

### foundation of a exciting and growing recreation and 17 

### tourism industry in Utah. 18 

### Speaking personally, I, like many other 19 

### people, love living here in part because of the 20 

### incredible access to outdoor recreation in and around 21 

### our national parks, and air quality is one of the 22 

### reasons I am most concerned about continuing to live in 23 

### Utah. 24

### Thus, in support of our vision of a healthy 25 

### and thriving community, Utah Clean Energy supportsAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### strong protection from the harmful and haze-causing 2 

### pollution from Utah's Hunter and Huntington power 3 

### plants. Thank you. 4

### (Applause). 5 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Miss 6 

### Bowman. Next, we can have Sarah Matsumoto. Sarah 7 

### Matsumoto. Samantha Weintraub. 8 

### SAMANTHA WEINTRAUB: Hi. My name is Samantha 9 

### Weintraub. S-A-M-A-N-T-H-A, W-E-I-N-T-R-A-U-B. Thanks 10 

### for giving me the opportunity to be here and make a 11 

### comment. I am an ecosystem ecologist with a Ph.D. in 12 

### ecosystem ecology and biochemistry. And -- 13 

### (Reporter asked for repetition.) 14

### SAMANTHA WEINTRAUB: Biochemistry is my 15 

### specialty. I'm a Ph.D. researcher, although I am not 16 

### here speaking from the university. I am here speaking 17 

### on my own behalf. So just going to touch on two issues. 18 

### One, I have some professional expertise and 19 

### that's the effects of the nitrogen deposition on desert 20 

### echo systems. And the other just has to do with, you 21 

### know, quality of life here in Utah, which I can just 22 

### speak to personally. 23 

### So desert ecosystems are very sensitive to 24

### nitrogen pollution, nitrogen deposition, and this isn't 25 

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### powered plants are -- not only in desert ecosystems in 2 

### Utah but also throughout the Colorado Plateau. The 3 

### nitrogen generated here doesn't stay here overall. It's 4

### all connected through our common air shed. 5 

### And so a range of ecosystem services can in 6 

### fact be affected by high levels of nitrogen deposition, 7 

### the ability of biological soil crusts to maintain the 8 

### soil and prevent erosion, plant community composition 9 

### and carbon sequestration. 10 

### There are a lot of issues. There's a -- we 11 

### call this a nitrogen cascade. Nitrogen deposition can 12 

### have a lot of cascading consequences on ecosystem system 13 

### composition and function. 14

### And so I am concerned about high levels of 15 

### nitrogen deposition, and I see these pollution controls 16 

### as kind of a no-brainer way to reduce nitrogen 17 

### deposition in Utah and more broadly out in the Colorado 18 

### Plateau. 19 

### And so I think because it's an issue that's 20 

### broader than Utah, this justifies the federal government 21 

### being involved and not leaving this to be an issue for 22 

### the state only. 23 

### And then, of course, as so many people have 24

### touched on, as a fairly new resident in Utah -- I have 25 

### lived here just under two years -- it's so clear why soAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### many people move here. Because of our amazing natural 2 

### resources, right? I have actually kind of fallen in 3 

### love with Utah surprisingly. 4

### And so I would say nature here is our best 5 

### resource, and allowing that to become degraded, if there 6 

### is anything we can do to prevent that, we have to take 7 

### action and apply the most stringent controls we can, 8 

### especially when the technology is available and other 9 

### states are doing it. 10 

### So thank you so much. Have a good night. 11 

### (Applause). 12 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Tim Wagner. 13 

### TIM WAGNER: Good evening. Thank you. My 14

### name is Tim Wagner. I serve as the executive director 15 

### for Utah Physicians For Healthy Environment here in Salt 16 

### Lake City. We are an organization made up of about 350 17 

### medical professionals around the state, and several 18 

### thousand supporter members and friends and just 19 

### downright good people who support the things we do. 20 

### I am not going to talk about the things I was 21 

### going to plan on talking about this evening because I 22 

### think you have heard a lot of good reasons why so many 23 

### people support the federal plan, which would require 24

### Rocky Mountain Power to install SCR on these projects. 25 

### We support almost any policy that's going toAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### advocate for the protection of public health and put 2 

### that as a number one priority, and that obviously needs 3 

### to be number one, we truly believe. 4

### I do want to talk a little bit about the 5 

### health of some of the residents who live in the vicinity 6 

### of Hunter and Huntington coal plants. I did a little 7 

### bit of research, and based on some health statistics put 8 

### out by the state, Carbon County is rated 27th out of 27 9 

### counties in Utah for the health of its citizens. Its 10 

### rate of premature death is more than twice the national 11 

### average. 12 

### Emery County isn't quite as high. It's rated 13 

### 18th out of 27 counties, and it's rate of premature 14

### death of its citizens is about 50 percent higher than 15 

### what the national average is, even much higher than 16 

### Utah's average. That concerns me. 17 

### I am not going to stand up here and say that 18 

### the reason for this is because of the pollution coming 19 

### from Hunter and Huntington coal plants, but I believe 20 

### they are a factor. I think that needs to be considered. 21 

### But I also want to say that I believe that so 22 

### many that have been here before you before today are 23 

### using the argument this is about jobs versus clean air. 24

### I think that's bunk. That's not what this is about. 25 

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### are going to go away, they have been led to believe a 2 

### false scare put forth by those who don't want to spend 3 

### any money to clean those plants up, where we are talking 4

### about spending 400 million dollars, 700 hundred million 5 

### dollars or somewhere in between. We are talking about 6 

### one huge job training for Carbon and Emery County. 7 

### That's a lot of jobs, and the multiplier 8 

### effect that would have a tremendous impact on long-term 9 

### effects of the economy for Emery and Carbon County. So 10 

### I believe we need to be considering what would the means 11 

### of cleaning up the air but also what it could do for the 12 

### local economies down there. That to me is a win-win for 13 

### everybody. Thank you. 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Gabrielle Roh. 15 

### GABRIELLE ROH: My name is Gabrielle Roh. 16 

### G-A-B-R-I-E-L-L-E, R-O-H. Thank you for this public 17 

### forum. I would like to reject the state's proposal and 18 

### urge the EPA to adopt the second FIP. As a fifth grade 19 

### teacher and a grandmother of 11, I want to add my voice 20 

### to those who advocate for more stringent emission 21 

### controls for the Hunter and Huntington power plants. 22 

### I want to give an example of why I feel like 23 

### we need the EPA's presence. Several years ago, I had 30 24

### of my fifth grade students write personal letters asking 25 

### Governor Herbert to persuade MagCorp of America toAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### follow the EPA guidelines for their smokestacks. In 2 

### case anyone's not aware, we have had the number one air 3 

### polluter in the nation right down the road from us in 4

### the west desert. My students never received personal 5 

### answers. 6 

### We had always had the tradition to write 7 

### letters to the president, and I thought, how cool. 8 

### Let's write to the governor and talk to him about 9 

### something that was an important issue. My students did 10 

### not receive personal letters. I received a nasty gram 11 

### from the governor. 12 

### My superintendent and my principal contacted 13 

### me asking me why would I bother teaching my children 14

### about something that was an important source of income. 15 

### I should spend my time teaching the children how 16 

### important carpooling is. So instead of looking at the 17 

### worst contributor to air pollution in the United States 18 

### for a decade, probably more like 20 years, I was 19 

### reprimanded and made to feel like I was going to lose my 20 

### job. 21 

### I share this to let you know our governor is 22 

### not interested in clean air. He gives lip service to 23 

### it. We need the EPA to be our voice. We need the EPA 24

### to stand up for our health, our livelihoods, our future 25 

### generations, our health and quality of life.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### I am not advocating closing the plants. I am 2 

### asking the EPA to support our desire for cleaner air and 3 

### a better environment. This means adopting Option 2. 4

### (Applause). 5 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you, Ms. Roh. 6 

### Next, Dan Robrecht and family. 7 

### DAN ROBRECHT: So we are Dan, Rebecca, Rose, 8 

### Agnes and Collin Robrecht. R-O-B-R-E-C-H-T. We are 9 

### locals here. I am a physician. But I'll leave comments 10 

### about my son's asthma and the effects that our air 11 

### pollution has on that to our local air pollution 12 

### discussions. 13 

### I also am not in the best position to speak on 14

### the best ways to keep our national parks pristine, 15 

### although I understand that nitrogen oxides are an 16 

### important -- have an important role to play in that. 17 

### What I did want to speak more on was, you 18 

### know, as a family we have sat on the red rocks and 19 

### looked under Delicate Arch at the distant, snow-covered 20 

### mountains. We have climbed Angels Landing and 21 

### Observation Point, and these are the memories that our 22 

### lives are made of. 23 

### What it comes to, what I hope to leave behind 24

### and the whole dream that the national parks are, I 25 

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### state that I have found them throughout my life. 2 

### REBECCA ROBRECHT: Thank you. 3 

### (Applause). 4

### ROSE ROBRECHT: Rose Robrecht. But I just 5 

### wanted to say that recently I was -- I went -- I had an 6 

### experience at the Havasu by the Grand Canyon, and we 7 

### looked -- when we were at the top of the canyon, we 8 

### looked over, and it was very like foggy. You couldn't 9 

### see all the way across, like my mom had described it to 10 

### me previously. 11 

### So I think that if we can do something to 12 

### improve the state of our air, that would be very 13 

### wonderful as it's a miraculous view. Thank you. 14

### (Applause). 15 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next, if we could have 16 

### Lindsay Beebe. 17 

### LINDSAY BEEBE: Hi. My name is Lindsay Beebe. 18 

### L-I-N-D-S-A-Y, B-E-E-B-E. I am a resident of Salt Lake 19 

### City. I work for the Sierra Club, but I am here 20 

### representing myself. And I moved to Utah about five 21 

### years ago, not expecting to fall in love with it as much 22 

### as I have. And that's all due to the really remarkable 23 

### landscape and beautiful just scenery that we have here 24

### in the state. 25 

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### the best available retrofit technology for Hunter and 2 

### Huntington coal-fired power plants, the only two power 3 

### plants in Utah that are eligible to be considered under 4

### the Regional Haze Rule of the Clean Air Act. 5 

### According to the EPA's own designation, for 6 

### many of our neighboring western states and at over 250 7 

### plants across the country, the best available retrofit 8 

### technology to address nitrogen oxide pollution is 9 

### selective catalytic reduction, or SCR. 10 

### The state's current proposal that aims to 11 

### substitute cuts at the Carbon power plant, which is a 12 

### non-BART-eligible plant, does not satisfy requirements 13 

### for the better than BART alternative, and should be 14

### disapproved. The state's plan would not result in 15 

### greater visibility improvements at our national parks 16 

### and therefore should be rejected. 17 

### The state overestimates costs and 18 

### underestimates visibility improvements, in its -- 19 

### according to the EPA's own analysis. And in reality the 20 

### cost per ton to remove nitrogen oxides from Hunter and 21 

### Huntington are equivalent or actually well below that of 22 

### similar plants in Wyoming and Arizona where the EPA has 23 

### found SCRs to be warranted. 24

### The EPA has proposed two plans to address 25 

### nitrogen oxide, but there's really only one choice thatAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### would clear the air for Utah parks and citizens. I urge 2 

### the EPA to please require selective catalytic reduction 3 

### for our parks, for our lungs, and for our vibrant 4

### recreation and tourism economy that depends on clear 5 

### skies. Thank you. 6 

### (Applause). 7 

### HEARING OFFICE SUTIN: Thank you. Sven 8 

### Solvik. 9 

### SVEN SOLVIK: Hi. I'm Sven Solvik. S-V-E-N, 10 

### S-O-L-V-I-K. The corporate owners of Hunter and 11 

### Huntington plants are not the only corporations that 12 

### feel that profit is more important than healthy, clean 13 

### air. Recent revelations of Volkswagen Corporation's 14

### deceptions regarding diesel emissions sparked worldwide 15 

### outrage. 16 

### The primary pollutant emitted by these cars 17 

### was nitrogen oxide, which was 70 times greater than the 18 

### EPA was led to believe. California's, oh, no, excuse 19 

### me. Volkswagen will be paying hundreds of millions and 20 

### possibly billions of dollars in fines or penalties as a 21 

### result of these deceptions. 22 

### California's Department of Environmental 23 

### Quality estimated that 5,000 tons of nitrogen oxide 24

### emissions per year will be produced from the half 25 

### million Volkswagen diesels in the state. Hunter,Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Huntington plants produce more than three times the 2 

### amounts of annual emissions as these 500,000 dirty 3 

### diesels. 4

### So the question is, I don't think the EPA's 5 

### going to let Volkswagen get away with this kind of 6 

### nitrogen oxide pollution. Are they going to let the 7 

### owners of Hunter and Huntington produce three times as 8 

### much nitrogen oxide? Thank you. 9 

### (Applause). 10 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Elizabeth Watson. 11 

### ELIZABETH WATSON: It's Elizabeth, 12 

### E-L-I-Z-A-B-E-T-H. Watson, W-A-T-S-O-N. So I have 13 

### actually worked for the chemical industry. I have a 14

### bachelor's degree with a major in chemistry. Worked for 15 

### chemical industry for about -- almost 25 years. 16 

### And I have worked with the environmental 17 

### community. I have worked with EPA. I have worked with, 18 

### you name it, in the Washington, D.C. area. And I worked 19 

### on stratospheric ozone and global climate change issue 20 

### for about 10 of those, more than 10 of those years. 21 

### And I feel -- and I am here now. And forget 22 

### my children. My grandchildren are here, my two 23 

### granddaughters. 24

### And I think that we have got the technology. 25 

### And I think we need to implement it, wherever we can.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### And I believe it's cost of doing business. I think if 2 

### it benefits both the natural resources that we are all 3 

### drawn to here and if it can in any way increase the 4

### health of this community, I think we have got to do 5 

### whatever we can, whenever we can because there are so 6 

### few opportunities in this state. 7 

### And I think what industry needs to understand 8 

### is that is good business. And at the end of the day, it 9 

### limits their liability. And when we can all get on the 10 

### same page, I am certain we can -- my father was a 11 

### machinist. I understand unions. I understand having 12 

### jobs, second generation, Italian immigrant. And I think 13 

### we've got to come up with win-wins. We all have to be 14

### on the same page. 15 

### And I think that the coal miners may think 16 

### that they have to give up their job or they have to give 17 

### up their pay, possible pay increases or benefits. And I 18 

### think that that's just false thinking. 19 

### I think at the end of the day we all are going 20 

### to go down with this or we're going to go up with this. 21 

### And I really believe we have a really good opportunity 22 

### for EPA to come in and go ahead and implement their 23 

### plan. Because without it, I think that the first 24

### step -- and I think without it I think the rest of us 25 

### that live in this valley that have all kinds of healthAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### issues because of the haze, a lot of it is industry 2 

### pollution. 3 

### This is one of the dirtiest places I've 4

### actually been in. And I have been even in Katmandu 5 

### where it's two stroke engines, and we've -- I've been to 6 

### Houston, New Jersey, New York state. And we can do a 7 

### whole lot better. And there's no excuse not to. 8 

### And at the end of the day I think it's good 9 

### business. It's ethical and it's moral, and at the end 10 

### of the day it reduces industry's liability and they 11 

### should care about that over everything else. And it's 12 

### their legacy, and it's ours too. Thank you. 13 

### (Applause). 14

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Dr. Howie 15 

### Garber. 16 

### HOWIE GARBER: I'm Howie Garber, H-O-W-I-E, 17 

### G-A-R-B-E-R. I am a physician and a board member of Utah 18 

### Physicians For Healthy Environment. Requiring Rocky 19 

### Mountain Power to clean up their act has obvious health 20 

### benefits for the people who live near these power 21 

### plants. Keeping the status quo benefits only Rocky 22 

### Mountain Power. 23 

### Using best available technology confers health 24

### benefits and clears the air for all the citizens of the 25 

### world who visit our wonderful national parks. AirAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### pollution, particularly regional haze and mercury 2 

### toxicity, are not local problems. They're regional 3 

### problems and appropriately regulated only by the EPA. 4

### Isn't it time for our state DAQ to show that 5 

### individuals matter more than special interests? Thank 6 

### you. 7 

### (Applause). 8 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Okay. Next, can we 9 

### have Dr. Brian Moench. 10 

### BRIAN MOENCH: Thank you. I am Dr. Brian 11 

### Moench, president of the Utah Physicians for a Healthy 12 

### Environment. Our physicians group is profoundly 13 

### disappointed that our state agency has endorsed the plan 14

### that does not require SCR installation at the Hunter and 15 

### Huntington plants, with the justification that it would 16 

### cost Rocky Mountain Power 340 million dollars. 17 

### But our state agency knows full well there is 18 

### considerable economic and human cost to the pollution 19 

### from these plants. This may be a hearing on regional 20 

### haze, but that haze has serious public health 21 

### consequences. In fact, a 2010 study tracking deaths, 22 

### heart attacks, asthma attacks, and hospital admissions 23 

### precipitated by pollution from just these two plants, 24

### concluded that the economic repercussion of these 25 

### outcomes cost the victims 212 million dollars per year,Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### including 27 annual deaths. Over 20 years that's over 2 

### 4.2 billion dollars and 540 lives lost. 3 

### So DAQ has endorsed a plan that excuses Rocky 4

### Mountain Power from having to spend 340 million but 5 

### hands to the public a bill of over 4.2 billion and ends 6 

### the lives of 540 people. 7 

### Yet even these calculations are a significant 8 

### underestimation because they do not quantitate the many 9 

### other health consequences that have been proven to be 10 

### precipitated from these plants' pollution since that 11 

### study was published, such as a myriad of pregnancy 12 

### complications and poor pregnancy outcomes, Cancer, 13 

### chromosomal damages that can be passed on to subsequent 14

### generations, and neurodegenerative diseases like 15 

### diminished intelligence, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, 16 

### attention deficit and hyperactivity disorder and even 17 

### autism. 18 

### These plants emit about 200 pounds of mercury 19 

### into the atmosphere every year, 4,000 pounds in 20 20 

### years. SCR can be expected to reduce not just the NOx 21 

### from these plants but also the mercury. 22 

### Several years ago, the CDC and the EPA 23 

### concluded that one in six American women of 24

### child-bearing age harbor enough endogenous mercury that 25 

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### development. 2 

### The U.S. geological survey tested fish from 3 

### 300 streams throughout the country in 2009 and found 4

### mercury in every single fish. As of 2014, 24 waterways 5 

### in Utah had advice against eating the fish because of 6 

### high levels of mercury. 7 

### The Great Salt Lake already has the highest 8 

### levels of mercury in any inland body of water in the 9 

### country. The country's only mercury advisories against 10 

### eating waterfowl are right here in Utah. 11 

### The nation is currently looking at the 12 

### lead-contaminated water scandal in Flint, Michigan and 13 

### realizing that government officials at the state, local 14

### and national levels ended up causing irreversible 15 

### neurologic harm, which is a euphemism for brain damage, 16 

### to thousands of children because of incompetence, 17 

### ignorance, arrogance and callousness towards the 18 

### victims. 19 

### Mercury is by far the most neurotoxic 20 

### substance we know, up to 1000 times more toxic to fetal 21 

### brain developments than lead. If the EPA allows a plan 22 

### that does not factor in health protection, they will be 23 

### encouraging the same kind of perception that our 24

### government doesn't really care about the people it 25 

### should be serving. Thank you.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### (Applause). 2 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next, if 3 

### we could have Patrick Sullivan. 4

### PATRICK SULLIVAN: Hello. I'm Patrick 5 

### Sullivan. P-A-T-R-I-C-K, S-U-L-L-I-V-A-N. I am Utah -- 6 

### or a resident of Utah. I am here to tell you about my 7 

### personal experiences. I am one of the stats you have 8 

### heard about tonight. 9 

### I've grown up, born and raised with asthma. 10 

### It's not a big deal for me because I have had it my 11 

### whole life, but it has had such consequence as me 12 

### missing recess in elementary school, finding I can't run 13 

### up a hill without having to go to ER, worrying about 14

### getting a cold because of my respiratory problems will 15 

### exacerbate that, Just crazy stuff. So that's just me 16 

### personally. 17 

### As you have heard, that's not me alone in the 18 

### state. Actually it's sort of fairly common. A lot of 19 

### my friends have asthma. It's ridiculous. And as I am 20 

### sure you know, there is the strong correlation of these 21 

### pollutants that come out of the power plants and asthma. 22 

### Wherever these pollutants are, asthma increases in the 23 

### population. And so that for medical reasons, that's why 24

### I would urge you to vote for the Clean Parks Plan. 25 

### Now, on to reasons or, yeah, reasons we canAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### all look to. Excuse me. Now on to -- excuse me, I'm 2 

### sorry. Public speaking. Anyway, the visibility issue. 3 

### I consider myself a bit of an outdoors enthusiast and as 4

### of recently, because of my medicine, that would have 5 

### been considered an oxymoron, because I also have asthma. 6 

### But we have the technology to fix me. So why not fix 7 

### these plants? 8 

### I grew up hiking all around southern Utah, 9 

### whether it be national parks, state parks, random desert 10 

### patches. And a common theme on all of these trips is my 11 

### dad would often say, "Well, Pat I used to be able to see 12 

### clear over to Henry Mountains." Or we could see 200 13 

### miles past where can you see now. 14

### But on a clear day you will be able to see it. 15 

### A sad reality is I've had three or four of those clear 16 

### days in my life, and I wish I could have more of those. 17 

### I wish I could enjoy these views, and I wish everyone in 18 

### the state to enjoy views that this natural landscape 19 

### provides us. 20 

### And so for these reasons, I would urge you to 21 

### go for the Clean Parks Plan. Yeah. Thank you. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Mary Paul. 24

### MARY PAUL: My name is Mary Paul. M-A-R-Y, 25 

### P-A-U-L. I'm a citizen. I am also a 4th generationAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Utahan, and like my pioneering ancestors I'm hoping to 2 

### help forge positive change for future generations. 3 

### I am not here to disrespect the hard working 4

### coal industry workers in attendance. My own sister was 5 

### a coal miner for a number of years. Why I am here is to 6 

### stand up for all citizens, in particular our most 7 

### vulnerable, the poor, the elderly and children. 8 

### My own daughter suffers from pollution-induced 9 

### asthma and respiratory infections. Every day we commute 10 

### across the valley so I may work and my daughter may go 11 

### to school somewhere above the smog level. 12 

### Unfortunately, many citizens do not have such luxury. 13 

### It is imperative that immediate effective measures are 14

### taken to put Utah's coal plants on track with current 15 

### standards 250 other facilities are already meeting 16 

### across the country. 17 

### It is unacceptable for Utah's taxpaying 18 

### citizens, such as myself and my family and my loved 19 

### ones, to suffer debilitating medical bills and lost 20 

### wages from caring for loved ones because coal industry 21 

### executives refuse to take responsibility for the 22 

### hazardous byproducts of their business. Thank you. 23 

### (Applause). 24

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. It's 7:30. 25 

### We're going to take a 10 minute break so the courtAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### reporter can rest for a minute. We'll be back in 10 2 

### minutes. 3 

### We did announce that the hearing was until 4

### eight o'clock. We have quite a few people that still 5 

### would like to speak. So we're going to stay until 8:30. 6 

### If folks can stay until then and give their testimony, 7 

### that would be great. If you can't, we understand and 8 

### we're sorry. We did our best to try and accommodate 9 

### everybody. But hopefully you can stay until 8:30 if you 10 

### want to give comments. Thank you. 11 

### (Recess from 7:34 p.m. to 8:34 p.m.) 12 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: If everyone could have 13 

### a seat, we're going to get started again. If I can have 14

### Katie Christensen. 15 

### KATIE CHRISTENSEN: My name is Katie 16 

### Christensen. K-A-T-I-E, C-H-R-I-S-T-E-N-S-E-N. And 17 

### tonight you have all been presented by the -- with the 18 

### facts about our competent air community. You may have 19 

### committed them to memory. By now you've heard them all. 20 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Ms. Christensen, I'm 21 

### sorry to interrupt. The folks who are not listening, 22 

### please leave the room. Thank you. I'm sorry. Go 23 

### ahead. 24

### MS. CHRISTENSEN: You have also heard from 25 

### honest workers who are afraid of maybe losing their jobsAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### or have taken cuts in pay. I'd like to offer an 2 

### additional perspective. When we think of the word 3 

### industry, we think of coal or we think of oil. However, 4

### there is another industry we may have overlooked this 5 

### evening. I believe the solutions are not either/or but 6 

### both, and so I appeal to your sense of fairness tonight. 7 

### I'd like to speak as an ally of another 8 

### industry and that is tourism. In Utah we value being 9 

### good neighbors. And we are not talking about shutting 10 

### down coal plants. We are not talking about limiting 11 

### jobs. This is simply a question of asking industry 12 

### executives to be good neighbors by installing up-to-date 13 

### reasonable pollution control. This is the same 14

### technology already used in over 250 plants. 15 

### If coal plants are going to be allowed to 16 

### operate near national parks, they must take every 17 

### reasonable precaution to mitigate the effects to those 18 

### parks. If the coal industry is going to center the 19 

### discussion around the economic impact as our primary 20 

### value, then we must not allow one industry to stamp out 21 

### another. 22 

### According to reports by the University of Utah 23 

### business school entitled the State of Utah's Tourism, 24

### Travel and Recreation Industry, nonresident tourists and 25 

### travelers spent 7.5 billion dollars in the Utah economyAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### in 2013. Travellers spending generated a record 1.2 2 

### billion dollars in state and local taxes. For context 3 

### that's higher than California, Texas, Illinois and even 4

### New York generated in travel-based employment. 5 

### More than 40 percent of the total private jobs 6 

### in Daggett, Garfield, Grand, Kane, Wayne and Summit 7 

### counties were in the leisure and hospitality sector in 8 

### 2013. Tourism-related revenue grew 22 percent from 2009 9 

### to 2013. As long as our parks exist, tourism will be a 10 

### profoundly important part of Utah's economy. 11 

### Should the guests of Utah, our tourists from 12 

### all over the world, find the beauty they come to see 13 

### compromised by coal generated haze, they will be less 14

### inclined to come again, and the economic impact will 15 

### potentially -- it will impact the tourism industry, 16 

### dwindling it because people will not want to come back. 17 

### They will not want to come from all over the world just 18 

### to see haze. 19 

### I do want to add on a personal note that we 20 

### know better than mercury and we know better than air 21 

### pollution. We know better than those things, and we 22 

### have the technology to protect people. 23 

### Speaking on a very personal note, I want to 24

### add, once you lose your health, you don't get it back. 25 

### And if you get it back, you may not have what you hadAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### before. To me, it's unthinkable that industry would 2 

### battle installing pollution control devices when they 3 

### could impact the health of children, elderly, and even 4

### young adults aren't immune from the impacts. So thank 5 

### you for taking our comments. 6 

### (Applause). 7 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Brandy Hill. 8 

### BRANDY HILL: Hello. My name is Brandy Hill. 9 

### I am speaking on behalf of myself. I'm a graduate 10 

### student at the University of Utah, and my focus is in 11 

### environmental chemistry and sustainability. I'm not a 12 

### Utah native. I'm from Michigan, and my family and I 13 

### moved here six years ago. And I have never seen air 14

### pollution anywhere that I have seen like here. It's -- 15 

### it's something that we worry about all the time in our 16 

### family. 17 

### But aside from that, just in my graduate 18 

### school study, I've learned a lot about the EPA and the 19 

### role that environmental policy has in our nation. And 20 

### just simply put, the -- our air doesn't have state 21 

### boundaries. And based on that premise alone, I think 22 

### that the EPA should be involved here in Utah and that 23 

### the EPA should be involved in every state in a 24

### collaboration across the nation to help improve 25 

### technologies to reduce emissions. Thank you.Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### (Applause). 2 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Kyle 3 

### Hayes. 4

### KYLE HAYES: My name is Kyle Hayes. No 5 

### relation to regional haze. I am a student at the 6 

### University of Utah. Recently our sustainable campus 7 

### initiative fund issued a grant for $11,000 for air masks 8 

### so that students on red quality air days can take 9 

### transportation, biking, walking, and it can be healthy 10 

### for us. 11 

### Now, it's my hope that you would implement the 12 

### federal plan over the state plan. Many reasons. Chief 13 

### among them would be that this will be a statement of the 14

### people, of the direction that we are looking to move. 15 

### We will be going over the head of our state 16 

### environmental agencies, which are very reluctant to 17 

### march forward, towards a goal that's been stated by our 18 

### president, that's been stated by many of the countries 19 

### of the world at our Paris conference, and it's about 20 

### time that Utah gets involved. 21 

### In regard to the lack of jobs in the coal 22 

### industry, my rebuttal to that would be the fastest 23 

### growing industry in the country which is renewables. 24

### So it's my hope that we will adopt the Clean 25 

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### these ridiculous air masks just to ride a bike during 2 

### the winter. Thank you. 3 

### (Applause). 4

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Marykate Glenn. 5 

### MARYKATE GLENN: Thank you. My name is 6 

### Marykate Glenn. M-A-R-Y-K-A-T-E, G-L-E-N-N. And I 7 

### biked here with one of those ridiculous face masks on. 8 

### It helped a little bit. 9 

### I have heard wonderful arguments from 10 

### everyone, I won't repeat the points that they made. I 11 

### am also compelled by the argument that the costs of 12 

### health care are not taken into account. The costs of 13 

### environmental resources being lost are not taken into 14

### account. Therefore, I would urge EPA to enforce the FIP 15 

### plan. 16 

### I have an old truck, and to pass emissions, I 17 

### have to, you know, replace -- I have a catalytic 18 

### converter. I have to have regular maintenance and 19 

### upkeep to do my part. And I would hope that the EPA 20 

### would enforce the coal companies to do the same. Thank 21 

### you. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Fulassi 24

### Fashawn. Fulassi Fashawn. Nathan Gilbert. 25 

### NATHAN GILBERT: Hello. My name is NathanAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### Gilbert. N-A-T-H-A-N, G-I-L-B-E-R-T. Forgive -- thank 2 

### you for having this forum, and please forgive me for 3 

### speaking extemporaneously on this topic tonight. 4

### I am originally from eastern Kentucky, The 5 

### coal section of the state. I have lived in Utah for 10 6 

### years, over 10 years, and I fell in love with the 7 

### beautiful vistas and the natural wonders that are 8 

### available in this state. And I strongly support Option 9 

### 2, the Clean Parks Plan, that the EPA is proposing. 10 

### I know we have heard a lot of arguments today. 11 

### There's not much more I can add, but it's not going to 12 

### stop me from talking anyway. 13 

### So business is always going to take the path 14

### of least resistance. In this case that means what's 15 

### going to eat less into their profits. So of course they 16 

### are naturally going to be against any kind of 17 

### regulation, even though we have technology to improve 18 

### the air quality of the state in that specific area of 19 

### the state. 20 

### I'll go out on a limb here to say that I don't 21 

### think anyone in this room has personal power over what 22 

### Rocky Mountain Power does. About the only time they 23 

### care what I think is if my bill is past due. That said, 24

### collectively we have power through the United States 25 

### Government, of which you are the environmentalAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### regulatory body, and I would urge you to enforce Option 2 

### 2 and follow our collective will. 3 

### So again, I thank you for this public forum, 4

### and I urge the Option 2 Clean Parks Plan. Thank you. 5 

### (Applause). 6 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Next Nicholas 7 

### Bradberry. 8 

### NICHOLAS BRADBERRY: Hi. My name is Nicholas 9 

### Bradberry. N-I-C-H-O-L-A-S. Bradberry, 10 

### B-R-A-D-B-E-R-R-Y. I'm a citizen, and I am not going 11 

### to -- I am going to talk on behalf of most of the 12 

### younger generation that is eventually going to have to 13 

### inherit these issues from coal emissions being generated 14

### and destroying our environment. 15 

### I am not going to really try to voice my 16 

### concerns on the effects due to pollution. The EPA, I am 17 

### sure, have heard the conversations for both for and 18 

### against. And Utah people have done an amazing job of 19 

### voicing all the concerns that we have about this issue. 20 

### I want to go and say, I do not blame coal 21 

### miners and I do not blame the coal industry for the 22 

### emissions created currently. I understand why coal 23 

### miners are fighting to keep power on and to keep their 24

### jobs that allow them to provide for their families. I 25 

### would even go as far as to say as the coal industry hasAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### done us helpful in terms of getting us to where we are 2 

### currently. I understand that these families are 3 

### Americans just as much as us. 4

### I can understand the need for clean air. So 5 

### at this time, I reject the state plan but at the same 6 

### time I reject the federal EPA plan. The entire state of 7 

### Utah will benefit from removing these pollutants and gas 8 

### for the long term. 9 

### However, I do not agree with the EPA ruling in 10 

### the situation. I think EPA has not done enough to stand 11 

### up for the common people. The requirements to install 12 

### these air quality improvements to coal plants Hunter 1 13 

### and 2 will not solve our problem, and they will 14

### eventually lead to higher prices for the production of 15 

### electricity in the state of Utah. 16 

### I feel this does not address the actual issue 17 

### we're trying to do at the moment, which is reverse the 18 

### decline of air quality, not reduce. So instead I offer 19 

### an alternative plan that the EPA should take under 20 

### advisement. The goal for installing selective catalytic 21 

### conduction in coal plants would reduce pollutants but 22 

### not rid the people of them entirely. 23 

### I would suggest that the part of the 400 24

### million to 700 million dollars that these plants would 25 

### use to retrofit their old plants be put -- be insteadAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### put towards subsidizing the production of clean energy 2 

### like solar, winds, geothermal, tidal and nuclear 3 

### energies. 4

### Additionally, part of the funds should go to 5 

### research and development of clean transportation methods 6 

### to further reduce the air quality -- overall air quality 7 

### climate change affects. 8 

### Lastly, a portion of this money should be 9 

### given back to the community for their health concerns 10 

### and environmental damage that has been caused. 11 

### This has to be matched with a reduction of 12 

### coal plants over the next five years to be replaced 13 

### entirely with the methods already stated. It's been 14

### proven time and time again this will create more jobs 15 

### for Utahans and provide the families working for coal 16 

### plants with an alternative for there jobs. 17 

### This is what we call a win-win scenario. The 18 

### entire community will benefit from these changes. We 19 

### don't have time to revisit this issue in several years. 20 

### The change has to be made now while the issue is still 21 

### correctible. 22 

### We are the taxpayers. We are Americans. We 23 

### decide what is done with our money, and we decide what 24

### is done with our land. Thank you. 25 

### (Applause).Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Warren 2 

### Becroft. 3 

### WARREN BECROFT: Hello. My name is Warren 4

### Becroft. I am the president of the University of Utah 5 

### Student Clean Air Network and a bartender here in Salt 6 

### Lake. I -- with a new federal moratorium on coal leases 7 

### on federal lands, the future of the coal industry in 8 

### Utah is limited to the extent of existing leases on 9 

### public lands. 10 

### With this in mind, I support the Federal 11 

### Implementation Plan and reject the SIP or the State 12 

### Implementation Plan on the grounds that the State 13 

### Implementation Plan unproportionally places burden upon 14

### citizens to reduce emissions while allowing industry to 15 

### increase emissions over the same period. 16 

### The sulfur-containing aerosols that are the 17 

### primary factor in scattering light and decreasing 18 

### visibility because of air pollution are caused 19 

### predominantly by coal extraction and combustion. That's 20 

### all I have to say. Thank you. 21 

### (Applause). 22 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Rebekah 23 

### Boyd. 24

### REBEKAH BOYD: My name is Rebekah Boyd. 25 

### R-E-B-E-K-A-H, B-O-Y-D. I'm a student at BYU, and I amAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### part of the Echo Response Club there. So one of my kind 2 

### of mottos is to be happy and go outside. And when I 3 

### learned about the air quality in Utah and how it's some 4

### of, if not the worst, air quality in the U.S., I was 5 

### very concerned and shocked. 6 

### And as I -- since I have grown up here and I 7 

### spend countless hours outside, I love the national 8 

### parks. I visit them multiple times a year. Many of my 9 

### strongest memories have been formed there. And I would 10 

### just like to be able to be confident and secure in 11 

### knowing that I can continue to live here and eventually 12 

### raise a family here. 13 

### And so I do not support the State 14

### Implementation Plan, and I would like the Clean Parks 15 

### Act to go forward. So thank you. 16 

### (Applause). 17 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Dave Pacheco. 18 

### DAVE PACHECO: Can I give my time to someone 19 

### who has been waiting longer than me? 20 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: If you would like. 21 

### DAVE PACHECO: Sure. I would like to defer my 22 

### time to Beth Haynes here. 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Beth Haynes. 24

### BETH HAYNES: Thank you. Yes, I was here at 25 

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### So I appreciate your making time for me. 2 

### My name is Beth Haynes. B-E-T-H, H-A-Y-N-E-S. 3 

### I was born and raised in Illinois, but about 25 years 4

### ago I traveled west for the first time to the Rocky 5 

### Mountain National Park, and that trip made a lifelong 6 

### impression on me. I became enthralled with the 7 

### mountains, wildlife and wild places. I vowed to visit 8 

### all the national parks in the United States and so far 9 

### have made it to 24. I also dreamt that some day would I 10 

### live near mountains in wonderful landscapes like that. 11 

### About 18 years ago I discovered my inner 12 

### athlete, and I have run many marathons, triathlons, 13 

### kayaking and you get the idea. I love being outdoors 14

### and active. The last year life events led me to the 15 

### conclusion that it's now or never. 16 

### So after living for 50 years in Illinois, I 17 

### resigned my job of 21-plus years, put my house on the 18 

### market and said good bye to my wonderful friends and 19 

### family. I arrived in Utah in June, after visiting 20 

### Yellowstone and the Tetons on my way. I took some time 21 

### between jobs and have visited all five of the national 22 

### parks in Utah since June. 23 

### What amazing, unique landscapes that we have 24

### here. I can't even explain the joy I get from simply 25 

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### being immersed in them. 2 

### It shocks me that air pollution is such a 3 

### hotly debated topic here. Personally it's very 4

### upsetting to consider not being able to run outside 5 

### because of poor air quality when I moved here for the 6 

### outdoor recreation. And it's always in the back of my 7 

### mind. Is this the day I'll breathe that particle that 8 

### will cause me to have cancer 10 years down the road or a 9 

### heart condition? 10 

### Aside from the health threats, I remember when 11 

### we were at Bryce this summer looking at unbelievably 12 

### far-reaching vistas, and my partner informed or 13 

### explained to me the reason I couldn't clearly see Powell 14

### Point was not the space between us, but due to air 15 

### pollution, the haze. It was then I noticed a slightly 16 

### brownish color in the air. 17 

### How could this country with so much raw 18 

### beauty, places that are completely unique, which have 19 

### been set aside, preserved and protected as national 20 

### parks for all of us, be infiltrated by air pollution? 21 

### This denies everyone, whether traveling from Illinois, 22 

### Utah or another country, the opportunity to view our 23 

### national parks for the reasons they were created. 24

### They have value, both intrinsic and economic. 25 

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### couldn't see down into it? Who would trek to Angels 2 

### Landing at Zion National Park if all you could see was 3 

### the rock you stood on. 4

### These power plants have an opportunity to make 5 

### a big difference in our future for either good or bad, 6 

### and I ask that you choose for the good. Thank you. 7 

### (Applause). 8 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Next is 9 

### Samantha, and I'm sorry. I can't see your last name. 10 

### SAMANTHA HAWKINS: Hawkins? 11 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Yeah, Hawkins, sorry. 12 

### SAMANTHA HAWKINS: Hi. I'm Samantha Hawkins. 13 

### S-A-M-A-N-T-H-A, H-A-W-K-I-N-S. I am here to urge you 14

### to reject the state proposal. I am a college student. 15 

### I go to Brigham Young University. And the outdoor 16 

### recreation industry has been a huge part of my entire 17 

### life. It's shaped my world view. I have grown up going 18 

### to the national parks a couple times a month, and I am a 19 

### big part of the outdoor recreation community. 20 

### I think that it's important to recognize that 21 

### these are not just parks for the outdoor recreation 22 

### community though. They are Utah's lands and they are 23 

### also America's lands. And every American should have 24

### the opportunity to go to Bryce Canyon and look at one of 25 

### the best night skies in the entire world. And inAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### addition to that, they are not only America's lands, but 2 

### we need do our part as part of the worldwide community. 3 

### As you know, COP21, Paris climate change 4

### conference, 200 countries committed to reduce their 5 

### emissions, and though it has yet to be ratified by 6 

### Congress, we still have -- I think we have a commitment 7 

### to keep to our world to reduce our emissions. 8 

### So I would urge you to reject the state 9 

### proposal as part of a local community and the American 10 

### community and the worldwide community. Thank you. 11 

### (Applause). 12 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Chad Taylor. Chad 13 

### Taylor. Brian Ellison. 14

### BRIAN ELLISON: Thanks. My name is Brian 15 

### Ellison, second generation Utahan, and I live in Salt 16 

### Lake City. I want to come today to show my support for 17 

### the Clean Parks Plan. I've really loved southern Utah 18 

### for a long time. I was fortunate enough, starting when 19 

### I was three, my parents bought some land down there, and 20 

### we used to go down and camp when I was a little kid. So 21 

### I was lucky enough to have a lot of great adventures in 22 

### the Capitol Reef, hiking there, playing in the mud, 23 

### whatever, all the fun things kids want to do. 24

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### in college I got to go down there on my own and on 2 

### different times would get up on top of these mountains, 3 

### and I could see so far, you know. 4

### Just one time in particular, I was up above 5 

### Capitol Reef I could see out past Capitol Reef, I could 6 

### see the Henry Mountains, I could see out there towards 7 

### the desert, and I could see kind of the curvature of the 8 

### earth. And I just realized how blessed this is. 9 

### There's been a lot of times I have gone back 10 

### to some of those places, but most of the time it's hazy, 11 

### because you can't see that kind of distance. I mean the 12 

### view is still wonderful, but it seems like, you know, 13 

### for whatever reason, you got to have the jet stream 14

### going in the right direction on the right day to really 15 

### get the best view out of those places. 16 

### But, as I said, I fell in love with that, and 17 

### I like it so much my wife and I actually got married 18 

### down in Capitol Reef. Something important to us there. 19 

### We took our family down. We wanted to share that with 20 

### all of them. Besides saying thanks for my parents for 21 

### all they had done to get us down there, something we 22 

### could share with all our cousins and everyone else in 23 

### the family. 24

### Today I am continuing to share the love of the 25 

### place with my children. I have a three andAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### six-year-old, and when I am gone, the land that's down 2 

### there will belong to them. You know, I'm hoping they 3 

### will continue to pass it on through the family, and, you 4

### know, hopefully they will get to see those really clear 5 

### views on every day, not just the day when the wind's 6 

### blowing the right way. 7 

### I know that miners and other people talk a lot 8 

### about jobs and the economy and how that's important to 9 

### them, and I understand that. My grandpa, he worked 10 

### mining in uranium in southern Utah, and he was -- he had 11 

### three kids, and that was how they paid the bills. They 12 

### were actually living in a tent out by the mine, and that 13 

### was how he got his money and how he ended up, you know, 14

### raising a good family. So I understand how people, you 15 

### know, want those jobs and want to keep them. 16 

### But I've also seen from my personal experience 17 

### in Torrey, just outside of Capitol Reef, how much 18 

### tourism can really change an economy there. When I was 19 

### young, you know, I remember the population signs at a 20 

### hundred on this side of town and there was one gas 21 

### station, one hotel and one restaurant. They were closed 22 

### a lot of time during the year. Well, now there's 23 

### several. Probably have a dozen hotels, dozen bed and 24

### breakfast, many restaurants, coffee shops. There's 25 

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### biking or ATVs. 2 

### So I really think that the -- when it comes to 3 

### looking at the economy, tourism will continue to grow 4

### forever, whereas a lot of the natural resources will go 5 

### away and can actually cause problems to, you know, 6 

### discourage the tourism. 7 

### So I want to show my support to the Clean 8 

### Parks Plan be adopted. Thank you. 9 

### (Applause). 10 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. Is it Jim 11 

### Webster? 12 

### JIM WEBSTER: My name is Jim Webster. J-I-M, 13 

### W-E-B-S-T-E-R, like the dictionary. I am a resident of 14

### Salt Lake, environmental planner. I am a graduate in 15 

### landscape architecture and environmental planning from 16 

### University of Oregon and Harvard. I have been working 17 

### in the coal industry as a planner. I have looked at 18 

### alternative sites for residential living in Kemmerer, 19 

### and also in Carbon County. So I am familiar with that 20 

### industry. 21 

### I can tell you that there's a huge contrast 22 

### between the fossil fuel industry and other industries 23 

### with whom I have worked as an environmental planner and 24

### coal and phosphate projects and things of that nature. 25 

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### including coal, seems to be entitled, and they don't 2 

### really address the environmental issues in the same way 3 

### that other very polluting industries do. For whatever 4

### reason, I'm not sure. 5 

### I had the misfortune of living on Red Butte 6 

### Creek when the Chevron oil spill happened. I have lived 7 

### there for 40 years. I have been diagnosed with multiple 8 

### myeloma. Fortunately that has been abated, at least I 9 

### hope. I keep watching. I go in every six months for 10 

### blood tests. I just went in yesterday. There's just 11 

### not a whole lot more we can do. 12 

### What we're hoping for is not clean air. 13 

### That's a euphemism. What we're looking for is 14

### relatively clean air. That's about all we seem to be 15 

### able to hope for. So I applaud the EPA to be last week 16 

### meeting on PCE plume. EPA is doing a wonderful job in 17 

### addressing that in the community involved and associated 18 

### with that. 19 

### I have been involved with geothermal as well 20 

### as a consultant, the Steamboat Springs project in 21 

### western Nevada. It's an excellent way. That's also the 22 

### binary plant where you don't use up the resource. You 23 

### reinject, and it's a totally renewable situation. 24

### One of the renewables that we don't seem to be 25 

### willing to look at is low head hydro. That's anotherAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### one in addition to solar and tidal and all the other 2 

### opportunities we have. 3 

### One of the things we have talked about is 4

### economics. Some of these jobs could be created, as the 5 

### president has pointed out, if these jobs were diverted 6 

### from extraction to solar industry. But another aspect 7 

### to that is, I have had clients come into this valley, 8 

### and pick them up at the airport, and have them drive 9 

### very few miles, and all of a sudden have them say, "Turn 10 

### around, I am going home. The air is so bad here. We 11 

### don't want to be associated with this valley." 12 

### And that's something that doesn't show up 13 

### necessarily in the economic statistics of the state, and 14

### economic development. And so I just would think that we 15 

### need to do whatever we can and be as aggressive as we 16 

### possibly can, whether it's the EPA plan or something 17 

### even more aggressive, and grateful to have the 18 

### opportunity to address this group. Thank you. 19 

### (Applause). 20 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. It's 21 

### getting loud again out there. Maybe we need to tell 22 

### them to move or close the door. Josh Anderson. 23 

### JOSH ANDERSON: Hello. My name is Josh 24

### Anderson. J-O-S-H, A-N-D-E-R-S-O-N. I am a firefighter 25 

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### like to share a perspective from that that relates to 2 

### this. And that's that when I got into the fire service, 3 

### about 10 years ago, for that we go into every bay in any 4

### fire house, and you would find the walls pretty much 5 

### covered in soot, black. And the reason for this is 6 

### because of the diesel fumes in the exhaust in the fire 7 

### trucks. 8 

### Kind of interesting note is that back in the 9 

### seventies and eighties when respiratory protection first 10 

### became, you know, really big and got to all the 11 

### volunteer fire departments, they thought that they would 12 

### see huge reductions in the number of firefighters' 13 

### deaths and early firefighters' deaths due to lung cancer 14

### and whatnot, because we now had respiratory protection 15 

### in fires. 16 

### But now what they found is that those deaths 17 

### didn't really decline all that much because we were 18 

### still dealing with the nitrous oxide emissions in the 19 

### fire houses that were emitted by the fire engines. And 20 

### so in the last few years, the EPA started requiring 21 

### nitrous oxide and similar systems to what's going to 22 

### be -- what's proposed to be installed in the coal plants 23 

### here. 24

### And so what I am here for is to speak in 25 

### support of EPA Option No. 2, because the effects in theAgren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### fire house have been drastic. They actually just in the 2 

### last couple of years painted all the walls in our fire 3 

### houses, and they are still white. It's pretty amazing 4

### because all the fire engines have been converted to 5 

### these systems that convert the nitrous oxide, as well as 6 

### the other particulates in there that are very similar to 7 

### the particulate and the pollutants that you'll find 8 

### coming out of these coal plants. 9 

### So once again, just want to sum up, the NOx is 10 

### the same. NOx that's in the fire engines that we were 11 

### able to clean up there is the same as in these coal 12 

### plants. And if you think otherwise, you are just going 13 

### to be kind of fooling yourself, because firefighters' 14

### deaths were directly attributed to those things. 15 

### And as far as the jobs go, jobs are going to 16 

### be shifted, not lost. There actually -- there is a huge 17 

### solar farm going in down in southern Utah. So if 18 

### anybody needs a job, I'm sure we can shift that over 19 

### there. Any of the money that would be spent on this you 20 

### could put over there as well, if that's going to put 21 

### PacifiCorp out of business. So thank you for your time. 22 

### (Applause). 23 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you. 24

### Mr. Pacheco, you are our last speaker. Do you still 25 

### want to speak?Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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### DAVE PACHECO: Sure. My name is Dave Pacheco. 2 

### D-A-V-E, P-A-C-H-E-C-O. I am fourth generation Utahan. 3 

### I didn't prepare remarks tonight, but I just speak from 4

### the heart. A couple things jump out to me. And I 5 

### haven't studied the plans. 6 

### My grandfather was a coal miner also, out here 7 

### in the Lark mine in Bingham Canyon. He passed away from 8 

### a number of injuries that he had in the mines and also 9 

### had black lung. You know, he always used to say to me, 10 

### you know, do what you think is right. Do what you think 11 

### is best. 12 

### And I've just always taken that to heart. 13 

### Subsequently I am environmental activist. I am 14

### full-time organizer for environmental causes related to 15 

### public lands here in Utah. And I can relate to the same 16 

### sort of things that were going on with our public lands 17 

### as going on with this decision that you need to make 18 

### here in regards to our air, and that is, think about the 19 

### long-term effects. 20 

### The jobs are there. The people who spoke 21 

### earlier are genuine. They spoke from the heart, just 22 

### like these folks here are tonight. The jobs can be 23 

### transferred. The jobs will change. Change is 24

### inevitable. 25 

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### heads in the sand and say things are going to continue 2 

### to be just rosy the way that we are, the way we've 3 

### always done it, because it's decided that profits are 4

### made from. 5 

### Our job tonight is to let you know what the 6 

### people think, and not what the profits dictate. And I 7 

### think that's where we need to make the decision here. I 8 

### am so in support of the clean parks option, Option No. 9 

### 2. I think that's the right way to go. 10 

### My partner spoke earlier about going to the 11 

### parks out here. I have been to the parks for a long 12 

### time in Utah. I've visited them several times a year. 13 

### I've seen changes. I've seen changes in the way that I 14

### can't -- I can't see as far as I used to. From those 15 

### same points I couldn't see Navajo Mountain this year 16 

### that I was able to in the past, from Bryce, from those 17 

### overlooks. 18 

### There's a reason for that, and the reason is 19 

### that we're increasing our output of coal. And those 20 

### power plants in that region, they have been fingered as 21 

### the, you know, the guilty party, and I think we ought to 22 

### err on the side of caution there. 23 

### The point was made earlier about tourism, and 24

### I just want to reinforce that the state of Utah itself 25 

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### call it the mighty five. And they are bringing people 2 

### here from all over the world, and that is the future of 3 

### this state. 4

### Of the -- we all speak about one thing. We 5 

### all have one thing in common here in Utah and that this 6 

### is a beautiful place, and the decisions we make today to 7 

### keep it that way are going to be the most important 8 

### decisions of our state going forward; not to think in 9 

### the nineteenth century about burning coal for our fuels, 10 

### but to look forward into the twenty-first century where 11 

### we are now and make decisions today that will benefit 12 

### those future generations. 13 

### Because it's not about the job we have today. 14

### It's about the job and the place that we leave for our 15 

### future generations. Thank you. 16 

### (Applause). 17 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: Thank you all for 18 

### coming. The hearing is officially over. If you want to 19 

### submit written comments, please do so. We ask that you 20 

### submit them sooner rather than later so that EPA has 21 

### more time consider them in our decision. And we 22 

### appreciate your patience. It was -- there were a lot of 23 

### people here. 24

### FEMALE VOICE: Can I ask a quick question? I 25 

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### me my return as to show me a document of what I sent as 2 

### an e-mail, it eliminated all of the links to articles 3 

### and stuff that I put in my entire e-mail. Why is that? 4

### GAIL FALLON: If you want to call me, I'll 5 

### give you my number. If you check the handout, Gail 6 

### Fallon on there, I can try and work through that with 7 

### you on the phone maybe. 8 

### FEMALE VOICE: Can I just send it to your 9 

### e-mail to that and then see if it gets to you without 10 

### eliminating the links? 11 

### GAIL FALLON: That would be fine. 12 

### HEARING OFFICER SUTIN: The written comment 13 

### period closes March 14th. Thank you, everybody. Good 14

### night. 15 16 

### (The hearing concluded at 8:21 p.m.) 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25Agren Blando Court Reporting & Video, Inc.

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