Exhibit 22 

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In The Matter Of: 

NEONODE SMARTPHONE LLC, vy. 

SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO. LTD. Et Al 

 

MAGNUS GOERTZ 

June 2, 2022 

 

EUROPEAN 

DEPOSITION 

SERVICES 

 

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Original File witness Magnus Goertz - June 2_ 2022 Thursday 

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EXHIBIT 

v. NEONODE 

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1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 

2 WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS 

3 WACO DIVISION 

4 

NEONODE SMARTPHONE LLC, ) 

5 ) 

Plaintiff, ) 

6 ) Civil Action No. 

) 6:20-cv-00507 

7 Vv. ) 

) 

8 ) 

SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CoO. LTD. ) 

9 and SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS ) 

AMERICA, INC., ) 

10 Defendants.) 

) 

11 

NEONODE SMARTPHONE LLC, ) 

12 ) 

Plaintiff f,) 

13 ) Civil Action No. 

) 6:20-cv-00505 

14 Vv ) 

) 

15 ) 

APPLE INC., ) 

16 Defendant.) 

) 

17 

18 DEPOSITION OF 

19 MAGNUS GOERTZ 

20 Thursday, June 2, 2022 

21 at 9:26 a.m. 

22 

23 

Reported by: 

24 SHERRY YAN, 

RPR, California CSR No. 14442 

25 Job No. 5183794 

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1 APPEARANCES: 

2 

3 Judge Jakob Hedenmo, Stockholm District Court 

4 

5 For Plaintiff: 

6 HAGENS BERMAN SOBOL SHAPIRO LLP 

BY: PHILIP J. GRAVES 

7 301 North Lake Avenue, Suite 920 

Pasadena, CA 91101 

8 Telephone: (213) 330-7147 

Facsimile: (213) 330-7152 

9 E-mail: philipg@hbsslaw.com 

10 

ADVOKATFIRMAN LINDAHL KB 

11 BY: DAVID ACKEBO 

BY: ERIK OREHALL 

12 Nybrogatan 17 

114 39 Stockholm, Sweden 

13 E-mail: erik.Orehall@lindahl.se 

14 

15 

For Defendants Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Samsung 

16 Electronics America, Inc.: 

DLA PIPER LLP 

17 BY: Zachary Loney 

401 Congress Avenue, Suite 2500 

18 Austin, TX 78701-3799 

E-mail: zachary.loney@us.dlapiper.com 

19 

20 ADVOKATFIRMAN DLA PIPER SWEDEN KB 

BY: Karl Oscar Dalin 

21 BY: Anton Sahlén 

Sveavagen 4, 103 90 

22 Stockholm, Sweden 

23 

24 

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Al 

1 touch and glide motion? 

2 A. I think it could be read from the patent and 

3 what was exactly invented by the time this document was 

4 written. I have a hard time to remember. 

5 Q. As we sit here today, do you recall what 

6 functionality is represented by the fingerprint and the 

7 up arrow and the left arrow? 

8 A. It's typical. I£ you look at the patents, you 

9 have the file icon, where you put your finger and then 

10 drag it up, but that's fixed on the printed on the 

11 phone. For the keyboard, you put the finger on the 

12 keyboard and slide it up. 

13 Q. So those are touch and glide movements on the 

14 display to open an application? 

15 A. Yes. 

16 Q. So that functionality is something that you 

17 were already thinking about at the time you created 

18| Exhibit 7? 

19 MS. CHEN: Objection. Leading. 

20 THE WITNESS: I would've set a date, but I 

21 cannot remember which date I invented the different 

22 parts on that. 

23 Q. BY MR. GRAVES: I am not asking you for a 

24 specific date, but I'm trying to relate those file 

25 manager and keyboard functionalities you've just 

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1 CERTIFICATE OF COURT REPORTER. 

2 

3 I, Sherry Yan (California CSR 14442, 

4 Registered Professional Reporter, Member of the National 

5 Court Reporters Association,) do hereby certify that 

6 MAGNUS GOERTZ was duly sworn/affirmed by Judge Hedenmo, 

7 that I took the stenograph notes of the foregoing 

8 statement under oath/affirmation and that the transcript 

9 thereof is a true and accurate record transcribed to the 

10| best of my skill and ability. 

11 I further certify that I am 

12 neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any of 

13 the parties to the action in which the deposition was 

14 taken, and that I am not a relative or employee of any 

15 attorney or counsel employed by the parties hereto, nor 

16 financially or otherwise interested in the outcome of 

17 the action. 

18 wy) 

19 Signed <ssesilescscsasaavsvsses 

20 Sherry Yan 

21 Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 

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