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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE PUBLIC FORUM ON GLYPHOSATE-TOLERANT ALFALFA ENVIROMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT

Date: February 24, 2010 Time: 4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. Location: U.S. Department of Agriculture 4700 River Road Riverdale, Maryland

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 2 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MR. GREGOIRE: Good afternoon and welcome to 3 our public meeting on USDA's Draft Environmental Impact 4 Statement. My name is Michael Gregoire. I'm the deputy 5 administrator of Biotechnology Regulatory Services in 6 USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. 7 This is the fourth and final meeting that we're having 8 on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement. 9 USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection 10 Service has prepared a draft environmental impact 11 statement that evaluates the potential environmental 12 effects of deregulating alfalfa that's been genetically 13 engineered to be resistant to the herbicide glyphosate, 14 commercially known as Roundup. And in the EIS that 15 APHIS prepared and published, the agency considered two 16 alternatives in the draft EIS. One was to grant non17 regulated status to two lines of Roundup Ready alfalfa, 18 and then the second alternative was to maintain this 19 alfalfa as a regulated article under the agency's 20 regulations. 21 APHIS analyzed these alternatives with regard 22 to the potential impacts on gene flow between Roundup

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 3 1 Ready alfalfa and non-genetically engineered alfalfa. 2 We also looked at weed development on wildlife species 3 and on species with special status. The draft EIS also 4 analyzes the alternatives with regard to their impact 5 on herbicide use, plant species, socioeconomics, human 6 health and safety, land use and production practices, 7 and the physical environment. 8 APHIS prepared this draft environmental 9 impact statement to comply with the February 2007 10 judgment and order by the United States District Court 11 for the Northern District of California. This draft 12 EIS is not a final decision on the regulatory status of 13 Roundup Ready alfalfa. APHIS will consider all 14 comments, all public comments, submitted during the 15 comment period before finalizing an environmental 16 impact statement, which will be published and making 17 any decisions regarding the regulatory status of 18 Roundup Ready alfalfa. So a final EIS would be 19 published before that final regulatory determination is 20 made. Now, the comment period on the draft EIS is 75 21 days and comments are due by March 3rd, 2010. 22 With respect to the meeting logistics, we

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 4 1 have, I think at this point, 9 or 10 speakers that have 2 signed up to speak. We're providing speakers two 3 minutes to present their information. That will be 4 sort of a soft two-minute time frame. We found that 5 amount of time worked pretty well in the other public 6 meetings that we had. We asked people to sign up at 7 the sign-in sheet if they wanted to speak. If you 8 haven't signed up, please let one of our staff people 9 know so that we can be sure to give you the opportunity 10 to speak. 11 Rebecca will be our timer, and we'll let you 12 know when your time is up. We appreciate everyone 13 being polite and responding civilly, and Rebecca will 14 provide you with a microphone when it's your time to 15 speak. 16 Sid will call people's names in the order 17 that they signed up to speak. And when your name is 18 called, we ask that you come to the front of the room 19 and begin by stating and spelling your name for our 20 court reporter and stating your organizational 21 affiliation if you're representing an organization. 22 Once you've made those introductory remarks, we'll

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 5 1 begin the timing. 2 After we give everyone the opportunity to 3 speak, we will have a poster session back there. So 4 members of the Biotechnology Regulatory Services staff 5 will be available to talk to you and answer your 6 questions. Those discussions are not recorded for the 7 record. Also, if you wanted to leave written comments 8 today, there's a table set up in the back there with 9 pink sheets of paper or if you prefer to leave a 10 written comment, you can do that as well. If you're 11 reading a statement and have that written out as well, 12 we ask that you leave that with us, too, so that we can 13 be sure to get the full text into the public record. 14 So with that, I think we'll begin with our 15 first speaker. 16 Sid? 17 MR. ABEL: Once again, we're going to take 18 the names in order of sign in, and our first person for 19 today is Elaine Dubin. If you'll come forward. Once 20 again, if you'll repeat your name and spell it for our 21 court reporter, we'd appreciate it. 22 MS. DUBIN: My name is Elaine Dubin, that's

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 6 1 D-U-B-I-N, and I'm a concerned citizen with an organic 2 backyard garden. I've submitted a more detailed 3 comment to the docket online that has not yet been 4 posted. 5 The impact to agriculture and human health 6 from GT alfalfa should be given more consideration than 7 the cursory determinations of safety assumed as fact in 8 this EIS. Regarding bees, the key argument in the EIS 9 for the low potential for gene spread is that "Bees 10 clean themselves quite thoroughly back at the hive." 11 Using this portion of the more extensive bee12 cleaning process as a way to justify that bees won't 13 transport pollen or cause contaminate seems dishonest 14 and purposely so. Bees will carry nectar and pollen 15 from one flower to another and one field to another, 16 regardless of the type of alfalfa in the field. That's 17 how pollination works. 18 The rest of the EIS clearly shows the strong 19 relationship between bees and alfalfa, noting that bees 20 are the only pollinator for the crop and that honey 21 bees are often kept on alfalfa fields. Due to the 22 nature of pollination and the large numbers of bees

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 7 1 involved, it is impossible to say that bee pollination 2 will not spread GT alfalfa, which would impose a 3 significant impact on organic alfalfa. BAS (ph) has 4 also not addressed the potential for harm to bee 5 populations vital to the U.S. agricultural system 6 because this could be the first GT crop solely 7 pollinated by bees. 8 I would like to stress that this action if 9 approved cannot be undone. If scientific evidence at a 10 later date finds that genetically modified food has 11 adverse impact, GT alfalfa will be impossible to 12 remove. Biotech and chemical products that were not 13 stringently tested and therefore arbitrarily assume to 14 be safe have been shown time and time again to be 15 toxic, including DDT, PCBs and CFCs, which still 16 persist in the environment decades after their banning. 17 The APHIS determination of "not a plant pest" does 18 include the risk to animals or humans and is therefore 19 not an acceptable conclusion to base the entire EIS on. 20 The EIS states that infants should eat fruit, and every 21 person who eats vegetables are at risk of adverse 22 effects from acute glyphosate exposure.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 8 1 There are many other concerns noted but not 2 adequately addressed by the EIS, including the cycle of 3 increasing glyphosate use and impact on trade, but 4 above all, the potential harm to human health and the 5 potential for unregulated, uncontrollable spread of GT 6 alfalfa. Therefore, the EIS is insufficient and the 7 deregulation of GT alfalfa should be denied or delayed, 8 pending additional studies. Thank you. 9 MR. ABEL: Our next speaker is Scott 10 Sullivan. 11 MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Sid. 12 My name is Scott Sullivan, S-C-O-T-T, S-U-L13 L-I-V-A-N. I'm here to advocate permanent deregulation 14 of Roundup Ready alfalfa. I have a master's degree 15 from the University of California at Davis in plant 16 protection and pest management. And I'm familiar, and 17 have always advocated the use of integrated pest 18 management and sustainable farming practices. 19 I work for Ag Seeds Unlimited, which is a 20 diversified seed retailer, servicing the needs of 21 conventional and organic farmers in the Sacramento and 22 San Joaquin valleys of California. Ag Seed has been in

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 9 1 business for 36 years. There are 600,000 acres of 2 alfalfa in the 16 counties that Ag Seed services. 3 Our grower customers that planted Roundup 4 Ready alfalfa in 2005 and 2006 have enjoyed benefits of 5 reduced cost to production, longer stand life, higher 6 quality hay. Their herbicide use is down, resulting in 7 fewer worker safety issues and less active ingredient 8 in the environment. Our Roundup Ready fields are still 9 producing weed-free hay that is popular amongst hay 10 buyers and commands a higher price. Common comments I 11 get from Roundup Ready alfalfa growers are, "It's 12 safer, it's cheaper, it's easier to grow, and we get 13 paid more for it. When we will get it back?" 14 It's uncommon for alfalfa fields to be cut 15 with more than 10 percent bloom. Cutting hay that is 16 flowering reduces its quality and is undesirable for 17 growers and buyers alike. This simple cultural 18 practice significantly reduces the potential for pollen 19 transfer. 20 Roundup Ready alfalfa works for hay growers, 21 hay consumers and the public at large. When making 22 your final determination, please disregard the emotions

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 10 1 surrounding the use of this technology and consider the 2 science and the experience of alfalfa growers currently 3 using it. 4 MR. ABEL: I guess Scott has another -- I 5 guess representing another organization. 6 Scott? 7 MR. SULLIVAN: Yes. I was asked to read 8 comments from the Yolo County Farm Bureau. Their 9 president, Chuck Dudley, C-H-U-C-K, D-U-D-L-E-Y, asked 10 me to present their comments. 11 Yolo County Farm Bureau has 1,318 members in 12 Yolo County, and Farm Bureau in California has 81,000 13 members. Yolo County Farm Bureau members support the 14 deregulation of alfalfa engineered for tolerance for 15 their herbicide glyphosate. The Roundup Ready alfalfa 16 system provides dependable, cost-effective control of 17 broadleaf and grassy weeds for the life of the alfalfa 18 stand. Roundup Ready alfalfa delivers quality forage 19 and hay that is comparable to conventional varieties 20 with fewer weeds and proven feed safety. It improves 21 the opportunity for high quality and certified weed22 free hay.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 11 1 The Roundup Ready alfalfa system delivers 2 improved environmental qualities compared to 3 alternative crops or herbicides. It provides no or low 4 mobility and non-persistence in soil and is compatible 5 with no-till, reduced till and long rotation crop 6 systems. No runoff encourages increased use of alfalfa 7 in weedy or erosion-prone fields. Since it does not 8 leach into ground water wells, it replaces alternative 9 herbicides where these issues exist. 10 We operate the Irrigated Lands Program for 11 the Yolo County growers and are acutely aware of off12 site movement of any pesticide. Glyphosate stays in 13 place and is not a risk to move off site. Thus, there 14 is an environmental benefit. Additionally, there is a 15 benefit to the consumer of hay that have weed-free, 16 high TDN hay. There is also an energy savings in 17 growing, bailing and hauling hay, not weed. 18 Roundup Ready is a good tool for the hay 19 producer and the hay consumer. Farm Bureau strongly 20 urges the USDA to consider biotechnology's long history 21 of success and allow alfalfa growers to join other 22 American farmers in the benefits and new opportunities

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 12 1 offered by biotechnology. 2 Respectfully submitted by Chuck Dudley. 3 MR. ABEL: Our next speaker is Bob Haberman. 4 MR. HABERMAN: My name is Bob Haberman, H-A5 B-E-R-M-A-N. I farm with my brother Brad and my oldest 6 son Scott. We raise 205 acres of Roundup Ready 7 alfalfa. Also with my brother Brad, we own a forage 8 export business that exports products to the Pacific 9 Rim. My farm is located in Ellensburg, Washington. It 10 is a family operation that consists of 1,100 acres of 11 crop production. 12 The main crop grown in our region is Timothy 13 hay. It is a grass forage crop fed to cattle and 14 horses. Our initial reasoning for planting Roundup 15 Ready alfalfa was to use it as a rotational crop. We 16 would be able to spray our field with Roundup to 17 control bluegrass. Bluegrass is a fine stem grass that 18 is hard to control in Timothy and it is undesirable by 19 our foreign customers. Our plan is to have this 20 alfalfa crop for three years, then spray it out in air 21 seed Timothy, with a goal of having a clean field, a 22 field with no bluegrass seeds left to germinate and

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 13 1 ruin our high-valued Timothy crop. 2 With Roundup Ready alfalfa, we have 3 transitioned into a no-till system. We have saved 4 money and fuel, labor and repairs, all while saving our 5 soil. The biggest change that we saw after planting 6 Roundup Ready alfalfa was in our fertilizer and 7 chemical application. We no longer apply the massive 8 amount of chemicals to control grasses in our alfalfa 9 field. We will just spray Roundup maybe once in the 10 spring and maybe once in the fall. Our field has no 11 weeds. It's just a beautiful, clean alfalfa field. 12 We also noticed the soil benefits. The soil 13 was holding more water. We are irrigating less. We 14 would see worms and other positive organisms living and 15 growing in the soil. Having the legume crop, such as 16 Roundup Ready alfalfa, has been a great addition to our 17 crop rotation. Not having the ability to raise Roundup 18 Ready alfalfa will prevent us from growing alfalfa due 19 to our cold springs. The chemicals needed to control 20 grasses in alfalfa does not make for good 21 accommodation. 22 We also have an exporting business that works

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 14 1 with our customers in Japan who we export Roundup Ready 2 alfalfa to since 2007. They have accepted this crop 3 and like the cleanliness of the product. When 4 exporting Roundup Ready alfalfa, we make sure that the 5 customer in Japan knows and accepts Roundup Ready 6 alfalfa. 7 We encourage the immediate deregulation of 8 the use of glyphosate-tolerant alfalfa. Thank you. 9 MR. ABEL: The next speaker is Richard 10 Wilkins. 11 MR. WILKINS: Good afternoon. I'm Richard, 12 R-I-C-H-A-R-D, Wilkins, W-I-L-K-I-N-S. 13 Good afternoon. For the USDA employees here, 14 thank you for your service and allowing us the time to 15 comment. My name's Richard Wilkins from Greenwood, 16 Delaware. I operate a diversified farming operation, 17 which I'm proud to say we operate in a sustainable 18 manner, exercising good stewardship practices. We 19 produce grain, commercial hay, vegetables and cattle. 20 We also run a retail farm supply store, which we 21 provide feed and farm supplies, including the hay that 22 we produce to a broad spectrum of customers.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 15 1 Our customers really like the Roundup Ready 2 alfalfa that we've been producing for them. Before 3 Roundup Ready alfalfa, it was difficult to control 4 weeds in our crop. The horses' digestive system is 5 very susceptible to foreign matter in their hay. With 6 the Roundup Ready alfalfa, we're able to produce for 7 them a very clean, top-quality, top-notch product 8 that's good for their animals' health. We also provide 9 hay for customers with companion animals, such as 10 goats, pygmy goats and of course pleasure horses. We 11 also provide hay for sport horses, competitive horses. 12 Also, in our region on the East Coast, 13 there's a great potential for an export market for hay. 14 This time in our country's climate, being able to 15 develop a new export business, have a product that we 16 can export out, will certainly help with the balance of 17 trade and help with new job development. 18 I urge you to grant the Roundup Ready alfalfa 19 non-regulated status. My personal experience with 20 Roundup Ready alfalfa is before we had that available 21 to us, in our region, because of very dry summers, we 22 only have about a 50/50 chance of survival when we

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 16 1 established a new alfalfa stand. The year and a half 2 that we were able to use Roundup Ready alfalfa, we saw 3 100 percent stand establishment. It also helps us to 4 extend the longevity of those stands. It gives us 5 better weed control, controlling weeds such as henbit, 6 chickweed, curly dock, lamb's quarter, crabgrass and 7 many others. It really gives us great economic 8 benefits. 9 In our region, we also have several niche 10 marketers that are producing things such as grass-fed 11 beef, all natural beef, organic vegetables, organic 12 produce. We coexist with those growers very well. 13 There's been no problems with cross-contamination. 14 Alfalfa is a hay crop. It's cut pre-bloom, so there's 15 no chance of pollen spread. 16 Please regrant non-regulated status. It will 17 certainly be a key to my health and prosperity. Thank 18 you. 19 MR. ABEL: Our next speaker is Tim Wagoner. 20 MR. WAGONER: My name is Tim Wagoner, and I'm 21 an alfalfa seed farmer from Washington State, and I 22 have recently been elected president of the Washington

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 17 1 State Alfalfa Seed Commission. As president, it is my 2 job to promote and represent alfalfa seed in my state. 3 This includes organic, if there is any, seed grown for 4 export, as well as seed for domestic use. Releasing 5 Roundup Ready alfalfa has the potential to positively 6 change the alfalfa seed landscape in my state by 7 increasing demand for our seed, reducing noxious weeds, 8 reducing pesticide use, and minimizing erosion by 9 eliminating the need to cultivate. 10 My farm did not raise GT alfalfa when it was 11 originally released, but some of the farmers in my 12 valley chose to. I came here today to tell you that I 13 believe that since the EIS found no environmental harm 14 in growing GT alfalfa, my neighbors, as well as I, 15 should be allowed to choose what we want to grow. If 16 there is strong market potential, and my neighbor wants 17 to grow Roundup Ready alfalfa, I do not think it will 18 adversely affect my conventional field to the point 19 that I would not be able to sell it. 20 In 2009, my farm raised approximately 1.2 21 million pounds of conventional alfalfa seed. Much of 22 it was grown for the export market, and that is a

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 18 1 market that I do not want to jeopardize because of high 2 contamination levels of their Roundup Ready gene. I 3 believe that the stewardship practices, the isolation 4 standards, and the best management practices adopted by 5 NAFA allow Roundup Ready alfalfa and conventional seed 6 to coexist. 7 In conclusion, as a young alfalfa seed 8 grower, I look forward to the benefits of 9 biotechnology, making alfalfa more competitive as a 10 feedstock, less expensive to raise, and more 11 environmentally friendly to produce. The EIS went to 12 great lengths to find out the potential harm in their 13 re-release of Roundup Ready alfalfa, and having found 14 none, I strongly recommend that Roundup Ready alfalfa 15 be deregulated. 16 MR. ABEL: Our next speaker is Don Cameron. 17 MR. CAMERON: Good afternoon and thank you. 18 My name is Don Cameron. I farm in the central cell of 19 King Valley of California. I farm about 6,000 acres, 20 about 26 different crops, and 10 percent of the farm is 21 farmed organically. One of the crops that we grow on 22 the farm is alfalfa. We grow conventional, organic,

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 19 1 and Roundup Ready alfalfa. Our buyers are primarily 2 dairies, and they demand a high quality alfalfa hay 3 from whatever method that we use to farm. 4 We've been coexisting on our farm with 5 Roundup Ready alfalfa since 2005. We're growing our 6 Roundup Ready alfalfa 200 yards away from our organic 7 alfalfa, and I plant it side by side with no fear of 8 cross-contamination. We cut our hay on a 30-day 9 schedule. There's very little, if any, bloom, and 10 definitely no seed produced during that time. My 11 Roundup Ready alfalfa is sought out by buyers, 12 especially when markets are soft or oversupplied, 13 looking for clean quality, weed-free hay. 14 I guess you ask why would I grow the Roundup 15 Ready alfalfa. We've got excellent weed control, stand 16 establishment. We have absolutely no weed competition 17 once we put a round of application on. Our first 18 cutting is completely clean. We get $75 a ton, higher 19 than a conventional field that's not treated with some 20 type of herbicide. The same with the organic. Our 21 first cutting of a new field of organic hay is full of 22 weeds. It usually goes to a feed lot to be ground at

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 20 1 an extremely low price. 2 We have no residual herbicides being used, 3 which is really important for us. We have no ground 4 water contamination issues. We rotate with various 5 vegetable crops that are extremely sensitive to any 6 residual herbicides, so we don't have to worry about 7 plant back issues. Our growing costs after 8 establishment are $22 per acre versus $65 per acre for 9 weed control. 10 Our employee safety, and my own safety, as I 11 live on the farm, is extremely important. We don't use 12 any restricted materials on our Roundup Ready alfalfa 13 where we would have to on conventional fields. These 14 attributes allow us to produce high quality alfalfa in 15 a very sustainable manner. Economically it's more 16 profitable. Socially it's safer for our employees. 17 And environmentally, there is no residual herbicides 18 being used. 19 Our farm's an excellent example of how 20 coexistence between organic and biotech can work 21 together in the real world. I support the deregulation 22 of the Roundup Ready alfalfa. Thank you very much.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 21 1 MR. ABEL: The next speaker is Dale Scheps. 2 I apologize if I got the name wrong. 3 MR. SCHEPS: I'm Dale Scheps, S-C-H-E-P-S. I 4 farm a dairy farm in Wisconsin with my wife Sandy. In 5 2006, we used Roundup Ready alfalfa, and it was the 6 best year I ever had to establish a new stand of 7 alfalfa. There were no chemicals to be used. I used 8 one pass with Roundup and I had no weed pressure nor 9 any grasses. In the past, I've used different 10 chemicals, Select, Raptor, Pursuit, Bucktril, to try to 11 kill off the grasses with mixed results. 12 Since using Roundup Ready alfalfa, I have a 13 higher quality of forage. I can feed my cows when I 14 plant it early, and I get four cuts off of it. With a 15 higher quality forage, it lowers my input costs, so I 16 have less sources of other proteins I have to purchase 17 for my cows. 18 I strongly support the use of Roundup Ready 19 alfalfa. Farmers need to be able to adapt to new 20 technology, and this is another tool that would be very 21 useful for farmers. 22 MR. ABEL: Our next speaker is Bob Husband.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 22 1 MR. HUSBAND: Bob Husband, H-U-S-B-A-N-D. I 2 farm in western Kansas and have been there most of my 3 life. Alfalfa has been a part of my life ever since I 4 was a young man helping smaller farmers put up hay for 5 their livestock. It's grown to be a big, big business 6 today. In the '60s, the cattle-feeding industry was 7 born in western Kansas, and I live right in the middle 8 of a million head of cattle that are on feed at all 9 times. We live close to a town called Dodge City, 10 Kansas. 11 In '73, I planted my first large circle -- or 12 field, if you want to call it -- of alfalfa. That was 13 used as a cash crop. It became evident right away that 14 quality alfalfa was our goal and Roundup Ready alfalfa 15 gives us this tool to produce a good quality product. 16 Within the time I have, I'd like to relay 17 information about a business my son started a few years 18 ago. He started a hay brokering business, and he lives 19 about 300 miles from me, off the farm in a big city. 20 He called me up one day, and he said, "Dad, a truck's 21 going to be on the farm. I sold my first load of 22 alfalfa. It's going to Michigan." It was from my farm.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 23 1 "It's got to be good quality," he said. Okay. We had 2 that. But Roundup Ready alfalfa has given us a tool to 3 produce this good quality. 4 But back to the business my son is running 5 today. Since 2004, he has grown this business to a $20 6 million business -- this is growth -- and he operates 7 this business out of his home. He can't do this 8 business without quality hay. 9 When we buy corn, wheat, soybeans, we have 10 standards that help you buy this. And with alfalfa -- 11 meeting standards would be corn, 56 pounds a bushel; 12 wheat, 60 pounds a bushel, certain qualities. With 13 alfalfa, it's one person on a phone selling the hay to 14 another person on the phone. So if they can convey to 15 each other that this is Roundup Ready alfalfa, it 16 narrows it down to where this product can carry a 17 quality that can be moved over the phone. 18 I would strongly urge the USDA to grant 19 Roundup Ready alfalfa to be used. It's a tool that 20 will make agriculture stronger, not only in my area, 21 but it will make American agriculture stronger and more 22 sustainable. Thank you.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 24 1 MR. ABEL: Our last speaker for this session 2 is Brian -- I apologize if I get the name wrong -- 3 Dillehay. 4 MR. DILLEHAY: Brian Dillehay, D-I-L-L-E-H-A5 Y. I have a master's and a Ph.D. from Penn State. My 6 Ph.D. 7 was in weed science. For my dissertation, I 8 spent my four years working on Roundup Ready alfalfa; 9 basically, applied uses of it; how we can use it in the 10 northeast; is it potential for mixtures with grasses; 11 how easy is it to kill it; is it any better or worse 12 than the products that we have out there? 13 One of my papers that I will talk about first 14 was my intercropping with grass mixtures with Roundup 15 Ready alfalfa that's been published in the Agronomy 16 Journal. We were successfully able to establish a 17 mixture crop using Roundup Ready as a tool to get the 18 alfalfas established, and then coming in later on and 19 interseeding grass into it to be able to have a good, 20 clean stand. 21 After three years of study, we found there 22 was no major difference between conventional alfalfa

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 25 1 seeded together or alfalfa in a mixture with Roundup 2 Ready alfalfa. The big difference was the first year, 3 the very first year, was entirely weed free, which had 4 a significant dollar value to the crop. 5 The second paper that I worked on, that's in 6 press with Weed Technology, has to do with Roundup 7 Ready alfalfa and the other competitive conventional 8 products out there. What we found was that in some 9 cases there was little to no difference with the weed 10 control. In other cases, there was a large difference 11 in weed control, depending on the product that was 12 used. 13 During the first year, we looked at yield and 14 quality. There were significant differences in the 15 quality from the different weeds that were controlled 16 versus the other crop. Later on in the season, we took 17 the studies out three years. We found that with a good 18 weed control effort at the beginning, any sort of other 19 herbicide application in my area in central 20 Pennsylvania was not needed. So a single application 21 of Roundup right after planting was sufficient for the 22 next three years with no other weed control necessary.

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 26 1 I work as an agronomist after graduating, and 2 I've talked to some other growers locally that have 3 used Roundup Ready alfalfa, and have told me that they 4 as well have gone three or four years without another 5 application of a herbicide. So I think it's a 6 significant tool for us to move away from more toxic 7 herbicides as well as reducing the amount of herbicides 8 that we're using. 9 MR. ABEL: That concludes the speakers that 10 we have signed up for this portion of the session. At 11 this time, we can adjourn. If anyone has any 12 questions, we'll be in the back to answer those 13 questions during the poster session. And if we get 14 more people coming in during the next hour or so, 15 we'll, of course, reopen the oral presentation session 16 so they can all have a chance to speak as well. Thank 17 you. 18 (Whereupon, at 4:46 p.m., the session 19 was concluded.) 20 21 22

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(866) 448 - DEPO www.CapitalReportingCompany.com © 2010 27 1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 2 3 I, JANET EVANS-WATKINS, do hereby certify that the 4 foregoing proceedings were taken by me and thereafter 5 reduced under my direction to typewritten form; that 6 this transcript is a true record of the proceedings; 7 that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor employed 8 by any of the parties to this action; and, further, 9 that I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or 10 counsel employed by the parties hereto, nor financially 11 or otherwise interested in the outcome of the action. 12 13 14 15 ________________________ 16 JANET EVANS-WATKINS 17 Electronic Court Reporter 18 19 20 21 22

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