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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION 

4 In the matter of: 

5 AERO TECH, LLC. No. FAA-2016-4270 

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TELEPHONIC PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 

10 Tuesday, August 16, 2016 

11 1:00 p.m. 

12 The Honorable Douglas M. Rawald 

13 Administrative Law Judge 

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15 ON BEHALF OF THE FAA: 

16 NO APPEARANCE. 

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18 ON BEHALF OF THE RESPONDENT: 

19 RANDY KNUDSON, ESQ. 

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21 ALSO PRESENT: Kevin Sipe 

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24 Reported telephonically by: 

25 Christine Edwards, CER 
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4 JUDGE RAWALD: Let's go ahead and go on 

5 the record. 

6 This is Administrative Law Judge Doug 

7 Rawald, and this is the prehearing conference in 

8 the case of Aero Tech, LLC, Docket Number 

9 FAA-2016-4270. The date is August 16th, 2016, 

10 and it's 1:00 p.m. eastern time. 

11 On the call is, on behalf of the 

12 Respondent's counsel, Mr. Stephen Doerr, is 

13 Mr. Knudson, is appearing on his behalf. The 

14 FAA attorney has not appeared on this case, 

15 Mr. Kyle Lomazow, nor anyone on his behalf. I'm 

16 also joined in my office by a legal intern, 

17 Mr. Kevin Sipe. 

18 I find that because the government 

19 counsel is not here, he has waived his right to 

20 a stay of this discussion or prehearing matters, 

21 and let me turn to Mr. Knudson. 

22 Mr. Knudson, are you familiar with this 

23 case or are you just calling in because 

24 Mr. Doerr was not available? 

25 MR. DOERR: Your Honor, let me 

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1 represent to the Court that our office can't 

2 find any indication of a notice -- that we 

3 received notice of this hearing. We are 

4 conscientious and good lawyers, and we don't 

5 miss hearings unless there's some particular 

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7 JUDGE RAWALD: I may not have done a 

8 16. I issued an initial procedural order which 

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9 had, in Part D, a prehearing conference date set 

10 for August 16th, 2016, at 1:00 p.m. eastern 

11 time, with instructions how to call in. 

12 So, that same memo also asked for a 

13 proposed litigation schedule to be provided by 

14 the parties, which the parties did respond to. 

15 So, it looks like both parties did receive the 

16 order and responded to it --

17 MR. KNUDSON: Yes, sir. 

18 JUDGE RAWALD: -- but did not observe 

19 the fact that there was a prehearing conference 

20 required to discuss the memo that they 

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22 So, do you have that order I'm 

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MR. KNUDSON: I'm assuming that I do, 

Your Honor. I'm not familiar with the file, and 

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2 can't --

3 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. Well, let's go 

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4 ahead and do this, then, since really you're not 

5 prepared to speak about the case either. I will 

6 go ahead and issue a notice to show cause to 

7 Mr. Lomazow, asking him why he did not appear 

8 for the call. 

9 I will note that you appeared for the 

10 call. And then we will reschedule the call for 

11 a future date after I hear back from Mr. Lomazow 

12 about why the Government decided not to appear 

13 for the call today. 

14 We will take it from there, but I will 

15 note that you did appear on behalf of your 

16 client, and for whatever reason we're unaware 

17 of, but, in fact, the phone call was scheduled 

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19 Anything else, Mr. Knudson? 

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MR. KNUDSON: Thank you, Your Honor. 

JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. I appreciate your 

time today. Please let Mr. Doerr know that this 

23 was an order in my initial procedural order, so 

24 he should look for that, and we will issue that 

25 order, and that's all. We will go ahead and go 

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MR. KNUDSON: Thank you, sir. 

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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 

4 I, Christine Edwards, do hereby certify 

5 that the foregoing telephonic proceedings were 

6 recorded by me via digital audio recording and 

7 reduced to typewriting under my supervision; 

8 that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor 

9 employed by any of the parties to the action in 

10 which these proceedings were transcribed; and 

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11 further, that I am not a relative or employee of 

12 any attorney or counsel employed by the parties 

13 hereto, nor financially or otherwise interested 

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CHRISTINE EDWARDS, CER 

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