From: Bob Smith [mailto:bsmith@federalpacific.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:30 AM

To: 'Richard Parker'

Cc: 'Rosenstock, Steven'; 'Timothy Ballo'; 'Wes Patterson'; ahofma nn@publicpower.org; Brian Coffey; brian.kaja@ge.com; bruce.r.hi rsch@bge.com; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; Michael Rivest; rgreeson@federalpacific.com; rick.anderson@fa ypwc.com; 'Nadel, Steve'; 'Simmons, Chuck' Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

Richard:

It is hard for words to emphasize the critical requirements of a network system. You simply cannot

allow our committee to establish efficiency criteria that cause the size of network transformers to

exceed the limits in IEEE C57.12.40 and/or cause major utilities serving downtown buildings to increase

the size of their underground vaults beneath sidewalks to accommodate larger equipment. Causing

utilities to increase the size of their vaults to accommodate larger transformer having a 1⁄2% point of
higher efficiency is to me tantamount to our military’s ordering fighter aircraft that are so large that we
would have to increase the size of our aircraft carriers to accommodate them.

Pictures and videos are very helpful in aiding the understanding of what a network system does and

where constraints exist on equipment size. Yet there is no substitute for seeing the real thing and
having someone who designs and operates the network equipment explain its features and importance

to the sustainability and reliability of our downtown electrical grids.

Respectfully,

Bob Smith, PE Product Manager

Federal Pacific 601 Old Airport Road Bristol, VA 24201

TEL: (276) 645-8836

FAX: (276) 645-8956
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Email: bsmith@federalpacific.com

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:45 AM

To: Simmons, Chuck

Cc: Rosenstock, Steven; Timothy Ballo; Wes Patterson; ahofmann@publicpower.org ; brian.coffey@navigant.com ; brian.kaja@ge.com ; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com ; Bob Smith; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov ; mrivest@navigant.com ; rgreeson@federalpacific.com ; rick.anderson@faypwc.com ; Nadel, Steve Subject: Re: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting



### I like all this positive energy and information. Thanks for the videos, Chuck.

As for Pepco visit, my sense is that we should focus on pics and vi deos as default scenario, but if Steve can get Pepco to do a short presentation at a spot very near APPA and before the meeting, that might be instructive for those wishing to attend. We do need to start meeting on time,

however.

All best,

Richard

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9: 39 AM, Simmons, Chuck < Chuck.Simmons@pgnmail.com > wrote:

I’ve uploaded one short video clip showing a v acuum switch in a vault and a few pictures to the

SharePoint site / “Shared Documents” folder. I’ve got some more videos, but can’t get them uploaded (the SharePoint site stops the upload due to the si ze or time required to upload). If anyone wants to see these videos, I could bring to the next meeting.

Regards,

Chuck Simmons, P.E.

Distribution Standards

Progress Energy

Voice Net: 745-6033

Bell: 919-662-6033

From: Rosenstock, Steven [mailto: SRosenstock@eei.org ]



### Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:47 PM

To: Timothy Ballo; Parker Richard; Wes Patterson

Cc: ahofmann@publicpower.org ; brian.coffey@navigant.com ; brian.kaja@ge.com ;

### bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com ; Bob Smith; Simmons, Chuck; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov ; mrivest@navigant.com ; rgreeson@federalpacific.com ; rick.anderson@faypwc.com ; Nadel,

Steve

Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

Also, as another option, if people have photos of network installations that could be shown to the group....

Like I said, I would be happy to contact PEPCO if people would like.

Steve Rosenstock

Manager, Energy Solutions

Edison Electric Institute

srosenstock@eei.org

202-508-5465

From: Timothy Ballo [mailto: tballo@earthjustice.org ]

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:37 PM

To: 'Parker Richard'; 'Wes Patterson'

Cc: Rosenstock, Steven; ' ahofmann@publicpower.org '; ' brian.coffey@navigant.com ';

' brian.kaja@ge.com '; ' bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com '; 'Bob Smith'; ' chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com ';

' john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov '; ' mrivest@navigant.com '; ' rgreeson@federalpacific.com ';

' rick.anderson@faypwc.com '; Nadel, Steve Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

### Richard, Wes, and others,

I agree with Richard and wouldn’t want to take up the whole comm ittee’s time with this, but if this field trip is something that can be done dur ing lunch, or maybe before the meeting starts, it might be useful, particularly as we can also use that time to discuss th e definitional criteria. There certainly is a lot that I don’t know about these units, and if the manufacturers believe that this would be a good opportunity to clear up so me misconceptions, I’m happy to wake up early

for this.

-Tim

From: Parker Richard [mailto: richardparkerdc@gmail.com ]

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:08 PM

To: Wes Patterson

Cc: Rosenstock, Steven; ahofmann@publicpower.org ; brian.coffey@navigant.com ; brian.kaja@ge.com ; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com ; Bob Smith; chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com ; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov ; mrivest@navigant.com ; rgreeson@federalpacific.com ; rick.anderson@faypwc.com ; Nadel, Steve; Timothy Ballo Subject: Re: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

I would be interested in the Advocates take on this. Though i am naturally curious, my gut instinct is that field trip idea is worth pursuing iff physically s eeing the unit will help us write the specification. otherwise our incr edibly scarce time might be better spent on writing the spec and the sub-standard.

Richard

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On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Wes Patterson < wes.patterson@us.abb.com > wrote:

### Thanks Steve

Richard - is this something worth pursing?

Best regards

Wes

"Rosenstock, Steven"

< SRosenstock@eei.org >

11/21/2011 09:59 AM To Wes Patterson/SouthBoston/USTRA/ABB@ABB,

"Bob Smith" < bsmith@federalpacific.com >

cc < rgreeson@federalpacific.com >,

< ahofmann@publicpower.org >,

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Subject RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

PEPCO is the electric distri bution company that serves Washington DC. I can send an email or make a call to see if they would be able to arrange a visit (however, there are probably strict security and safety protoc ols that would have to be followed).

Steve Rosenstock Manager, Energy Solutions

Edison Electric Institute srosenstock@eei.org

202-508-5465

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From: Wes Patterson [mailto:wes.patterson@us.abb.com]

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:40 AM

### To: Bob Smith

Cc: rgreeson@federalpacific.com ; ahofmann@publicpower.org ; brian.coffey@navigant.com ; brian.kaja@ge.com ; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com ; chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com ; richardparkerdc@gmail.com ; rick.anderson@faypwc.com ; Nadel, Steve; Rosenstock, Steven; tballo@earthjustice.org ; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov ; mrivest@navigant.com Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

Hi Bob

Your suggestion that we might try to have the committee look a network feeding one of our meeting locations is quite good.

I have copied Richard and some others to see if they have an interest.

================== ========== Suggestion from Bob Smith:

"One stupid idea: I suppose that at least one of our next meetings will be in a building served by a network transforme r. More than likely I could get someone from the local utility to open a sidewalk vault and go over th e components in the vault needed to supply uninterruptible power to our building."

================== ==========

Best regards

Wes