From: Bob Smith [mailto:bsmith@federalpacific.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:30 AM 

To: 'Richard Parker' 

Cc: 'Rosenstock, Steven'; 'Timothy Ballo'; 'Wes Patterson'; ahofmann@publicpower.org; Brian Coffey; 

brian.kaja@ge.com; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; Michael Rivest; 

rgreeson@federalpacific.com; rick.anderson@faypwc.com; 'Nadel, Steve'; 'Simmons, Chuck' 

Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting 

Richard:

It is hard for words to emphasize the critical requirements of a network system.  You simply cannot

allow our committee to establish efficiency criteria that cause the size of network transformers to

exceed the limits in IEEE C57.12.40 and/or cause major  utilities serving downtown buildings to increase

the size of their underground vaults beneath sidewalks to accommodate larger equipment.  Causing

utilities to increase the size of their vaults to accommodate larger transformer having a 1⁄2% point of

higher efficiency is to me tantamount to our military’s ordering fighter aircraft that are so large that we

would have to increase the size of our aircraft carriers to accommodate them.    

Pictures and videos are very helpful in aiding the understanding of what a network system does and

where constraints exist on equipment size.  Yet there is no substitute for seeing the real thing and

having someone who designs and operates the network equipment explain its features and importance

to the sustainability and reliability of our downtown electrical grids.

Respectfully,  

Bob Smith, PE 

Product Manager 

Federal Pacific

601 Old Airport Road

Bristol, VA 24201 

  

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From: Richard Parker [mailto:richardparkerdc@gmail.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:45 AM 

To: Simmons, Chuck 

Cc: Rosenstock, Steven; Timothy Ballo; Wes Patterson; ahofmann@publicpower.org; 

brian.coffey@navigant.com; brian.kaja@ge.com; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com; Bob Smith; 

john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; mrivest@navigant.com; rgreeson@federalpacific.com; 

rick.anderson@faypwc.com; Nadel, Steve 

Subject: Re: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting 

I like all this positive energy and information. Thanks for the videos, Chuck. 

As for Pepco visit, my sense is that we should focus on pics and videos as default scenario, but if 

Steve can get Pepco to do a short presentation at a spot very near APPA and before the meeting, 

that might be instructive for those wishing to attend. We do need to start meeting on time, 

however. 

All best, 

Richard 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Simmons, Chuck <Chuck.Simmons@pgnmail.com> wrote: 

I’ve uploaded one short video clip showing a vacuum switch in a vault and a few pictures to the 

SharePoint site / “Shared Documents” folder. I’ve got some more videos, but can’t get them uploaded 

(the SharePoint site stops the upload due to the size or time required to upload). If anyone wants to see 

these videos, I could bring to the next meeting. 

Regards,

Chuck Simmons, P.E.

Distribution Standards

Progress Energy

Voice Net: 745-6033

Bell: 919-662-6033

From: Rosenstock, Steven [mailto:SRosenstock@eei.org] 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:47 PM 

To: Timothy Ballo; Parker Richard; Wes Patterson 

Cc: ahofmann@publicpower.org; brian.coffey@navigant.com; brian.kaja@ge.com; 
bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com; Bob Smith; Simmons, Chuck; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; 

mrivest@navigant.com; rgreeson@federalpacific.com; rick.anderson@faypwc.com; Nadel, 

Steve 

Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting 

 

Also, as another option, if people have photos of network installations that could be 

shown to the group....

Like I said, I would be happy to contact PEPCO if people would like.

Steve Rosenstock

Manager, Energy Solutions

Edison Electric Institute

srosenstock@eei.org

202-508-5465

From: Timothy Ballo [mailto:tballo@earthjustice.org] 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:37 PM 

To: 'Parker Richard'; 'Wes Patterson' 

Cc: Rosenstock, Steven; 'ahofmann@publicpower.org'; 'brian.coffey@navigant.com'; 

'brian.kaja@ge.com'; 'bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com'; 'Bob Smith'; 'chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com'; 

'john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov'; 'mrivest@navigant.com'; 'rgreeson@federalpacific.com'; 

'rick.anderson@faypwc.com'; Nadel, Steve 

Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting

 
Richard, Wes, and others, 

 

I agree with Richard and wouldn’t want to take up the whole committee’s time with this, but if 

this field trip is something that can be done during lunch, or maybe before the meeting starts, it 

might be useful, particularly as we can also use that time to discuss the definitional criteria. 

There certainly is a lot that I don’t know about these units, and if the manufacturers believe that 

this would be a good opportunity to clear up some misconceptions, I’m happy to wake up early 

for this. 

 

-Tim 

 

From: Parker Richard [mailto:richardparkerdc@gmail.com] 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:08 PM 

To: Wes Patterson 

Cc: Rosenstock, Steven; ahofmann@publicpower.org; brian.coffey@navigant.com; 

brian.kaja@ge.com; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com; Bob Smith; 

chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; mrivest@navigant.com; 

rgreeson@federalpacific.com; rick.anderson@faypwc.com; Nadel, Steve; Timothy Ballo 

Subject: Re: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting 

 

I would be interested in the Advocates take on this. Though i am naturally curious, my 

gut instinct is that field trip idea is worth pursuing iff physically seeing the unit will help 

us write the specification. otherwise our incredibly scarce time might be better spent on 

writing the spec and the sub-standard. 

 

Richard 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Wes Patterson <wes.patterson@us.abb.com> wrote: 
Thanks Steve 

Richard - is this something worth pursing? 

Best regards 

Wes 

"Rosenstock, Steven" 

<SRosenstock@eei.org> 

11/21/2011 09:59 AM 

To Wes 

Patterson/SouthBoston/USTRA/ABB@ABB, 

"Bob Smith" <bsmith@federalpacific.com> 

cc <rgreeson@federalpacific.com>, 

<ahofmann@publicpower.org>, 

<brian.coffey@navigant.com>, 

<brian.kaja@ge.com>, 

<bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com>, 

<chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com>, 

<richardparkerdc@gmail.com>, 

<rick.anderson@faypwc.com>, "Nadel, Steve" 

<snadel@aceee.org>, 

<tballo@earthjustice.org>, 

<john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov>, 

<mrivest@navigant.com> 

Subject RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting 

 

PEPCO is the electric distribution company that serves Washington DC. I can send an email or make a call to see if they would be able to arrange a visit (however, there are 

probably strict security and safety protocols that would have to be followed). 

 

Steve Rosenstock 

Manager, Energy Solutions 

Edison Electric Institute 

srosenstock@eei.org 

202-508-5465 

 

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From: Wes Patterson [mailto:wes.patterson@us.abb.com]

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:40 AM
To: Bob Smith

Cc: rgreeson@federalpacific.com; ahofmann@publicpower.org; 

brian.coffey@navigant.com; brian.kaja@ge.com; bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com; 

chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com; richardparkerdc@gmail.com; 

rick.anderson@faypwc.com; Nadel, Steve; Rosenstock, Steven; tballo@earthjustice.org; 

john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; mrivest@navigant.com

Subject: RE: DOE Negotiating Committee Meeting 

 

Hi Bob 

Your suggestion that we might try to have the committee look a network feeding one of 

our meeting locations is quite good. 

I have copied Richard and some others to see if they have an interest. 

============================ 

Suggestion from Bob Smith: 

"One stupid idea: I suppose that at least one of our next meetings will be in a building 

served by a network transformer. More than likely I could get someone from the local 

utility to open a sidewalk vault and go over the components in the vault needed to supply 

uninterruptible power to our building." 

============================ 

Best regards 

Wes