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 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY 

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 PUBLIC MEETING ON TEST PROCEDURES 

 FOR MICROWAVE OVENS 

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 TUESDAY, 

 MARCH 5, 2013 

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 The meeting convened in Room 

8E-089 of the Department of Energy, 1000 

Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D.C., 

at 9:00 a.m., Doug Brookman, Facilitator, 

presiding. 

PRESENT: 

DOUG BROOKMAN, Public Solutions, Inc., 

 Facilitator 

ARI ALTMAN, DOE 

ASHLEY ARMSTRONG, DOE 

JAMES BATTAGLIA, Navigant Consulting 

JENNIFER CLEARY, Association of Home Appliance 

 Manufacturers 

STEPHEN B. LEYBOURN, Association of Home 

 Appliance Manufacturers 

JOANNA MAUER, Appliance Standards Awareness 

 Project 

JUDITH REICH, Navigant Consulting 

CALLIE REIS, Navigant Consulting 

MARK SHARP, Panasonic 

MASA YAMAUCHI, Panasonic 
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 C-O-N-T-E-N-T-S 

Call to Order and Opening Remarks 3 

 Doug Brookman 

 Facilitator 

Opening Remarks 3 

 Ashley Armstrong 

 DOE 

Introductions 4 

Agenda Review 5 

 Doug Brookman 

 Facilitator 

Presentation by 8 

 James Battaglia 

 Navigant Consulting 

 Questions and Comments 45 

Closing Remarks 48 

 Ashley Armstrong 

 DOE 

 Questions and Comments 49 
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 

2 9:00 a.m. 

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Good morning, 

4 everyone, and welcome. 

5 This is the U.S. Department of 

6 Energy's public meeting on test procedures for 

7 microwave ovens. Today is March 5th, 2013, 

8 here at the Forrestal Building in Washington, 

9 D.C. 

10 My name is Doug Brookman from 

11 Public Solutions in Baltimore. 

12 I am so glad you could join us 

13 this morning. 

14 We are going to start off this 

15 morning with welcoming remarks from Ashley. 

16 MS. ARMSTRONG: Hi. My name is 

17 Ashley Armstrong with DOE. 

18 I welcome you guys to what is, 

19 hopefully, going to be a pretty short public 

20 meeting today on microwave ovens and the 

21 active mode test procedure. 

22 We are going to go through some of 
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1 the stuff pretty quickly. Most of our test 

2 data is in the Notice or in the back. 

3 If you have questions, feel free 

4 to speak up throughout the presentation. We 

5 are happy to engage. And, yes, we look 

6 forward to the dialog. 

7 Thanks. 

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. 

9 Let's start with introductions, as 

10 we typically do. I will start to my immediate 

11 left, and you can get used to turning the 

12 microphones on and off. Your name and 

13 organizational affiliation, please. 

14 MR. SHARP: Mark Sharp with 

15 Panasonic. 

16 MR. YAMAUCHI: Masa Yamauchi from 

17 Panasonic. 

18 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary with 

19 the Association of Home Appliance 

20 Manufacturers. 

21 MS. MAUER: Joanna Mauer, 

22 Appliance Standards Awareness Project. 
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1 MS. REICH: Judith Reich, 

2 Navigant. 

3 MR. BATTAGLIA: James Battaglia, 

4 Navigant. 

5 MR. ALTMAN: Ari Altman with DOE, 

6 GC's Office. 

7 MR. BROOKMAN: We will go next to 

8 you. 

9 MS. REIS: Oh, sorry. Callie 

10 Reis, Navigant. 

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, and I guess 

12 that is all of us. 

13 All of you received a packet of 

14 information as you entered the room this 

15 morning. 

16 I will do a very brief agenda 

17 review. After this agenda review, there is an 

18 opportunity for anyone that wishes to do so to 

19 make brief summary remarks about issues that 

20 are of importance to you. And following that, 

21 we will have an introduction in regulatory 

22 history. And then, immediately following 
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1 that, covered products consumer usage, moving 

2 on to test methods and microwave-only ovens. 

3 We will take a break mid-morning 

4 round about 10:45, or as needed. And then, 

5 following that, test methods for convection6 only microwave ovens, measures of energy 

7 consumption compliance with other EPCA 

8 requirements. 

9 And then, at the end of the day, 

10 whenever we get there today, an opportunity 

11 again for closing remarks; that is, other 

12 issues that we haven't covered sufficiently 

13 for your needs here. 

14 And we will adjourn following 

15 those closing remarks and a review of how you 

16 submit your comments. 

17 Questions and comments about the 

18 agenda? 

19 (No response.) 

20 Seeing none, I would ask for your 

21 consideration. Please speak one at a time 

22 today, and say your name for the record each 
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1 time you speak. 

2 There will be a complete 

3 transcript of this meeting. 

4 If you could keep the focus here, 

5 limit your sidebar conversations, and turn 

6 your cell phones on silent. 

7 I am told we have some individuals 

8 joining us via the web. Yes? How many? Just 

9 two. Welcome. 

10 The Department is trying to make 

11 these meetings accessible to everyone via the 

12 web. Those of you joining by the web, if you 

13 would keep your telephones on mute, and you 

14 can raise your hand if you wish to join this 

15 conversation, and we will get you in the 

16 conversation as soon as possible. 

17 So, I think that is all the 

18 preliminary stuff. 

19 Who is going to start off? James 

20 is going to start it off? James Battaglia. 

21 All of you received a packet of 

22 information. These PowerPoint slides will be 
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1 the basis for both presentation and queuing 

2 discussion and comment. 

3 MR. BATTAGLIA: Okay. Hi, 

4 everybody. I am James Battaglia. 

5 Just to quickly give some 

6 background information, the NOPR published on 

7 February 4th, and I think the other key date 

8 here is the date for the comments, the written 

9 comments, is April 22nd. 

10 And just some quick background, 

11 unless there are any questions on any of this, 

12 the test procedure was originally established 

13 in a final rule in 1997. That incorporated by 

14 reference IEC 705. That test procedure was 

15 later repealed in the final rule in July of 

16 2010, and DOE determined in that rule that the 

17 microwave oven active mode test procedure did 

18 not produce representative and repeatable test 

19 results. 

20 DOE held a public meeting in July 

21 of 2010 to initiate a new rulemaking process 

22 to address active mode, and we also published 
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1 a Request for Information notice in October of 

2 2011 to request information and comments on 

3 representative and repeatable methods for 

4 microwave active mode. 

5 And DOE also published in June of 

6 2012 a NODA to present test results and 

7 approaches that it was considering for 

8 potential amendments for microwave oven active 

9 mode, considering the different cooking modes 

10 for microwave-only, convection-only, and 

11 convection-microwave cooking. 

12 So, now just to discuss the 

13 products that are covered by this rulemaking, 

14 the proposed amendments will be applicable to 

15 microwave ovens which are defined in DOE's 

16 regulations as a class of kitchen ranges and 

17 ovens that consist of a compartment designed 

18 to cook or heat food by means of microwave 

19 energy, and that includes microwaves with or 

20 without thermal elements designed for surface 

21 browning and, also, convection microwave 

22 ovens. 
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1 And DOE determined that ovens 

2 equipped with microwave capability, including 

3 convection microwave ovens, are covered under 

4 that definition. And DOE adopted a definition 

5 of convection microwave ovens in a January 

6 2013 test procedure final rule that addressed 

7 standby and off mode for microwave ovens, and 

8 DOE defined convection microwave ovens as 

9 microwave ovens that incorporate microwave 

10 capability, convection features, and any other 

11 cooking means in a single compartment. 

12 DOE has also determined that all 

13 products that combine a microwave with any 

14 other appliance functionality would also be 

15 considered covered products. And that 

16 includes products such as a 

17 microwave/conventional range or 

18 microwave/conventional oven, a 

19 microwave/conventional cooking top, or other 

20 combined products such as a microwave plus a 

21 refrigerator. 

22 However, DOE is not proposing to 
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1 require that such combined products be tested 

2 according to the proposed amendments that we 

3 will be discussing today. That is because of 

4 a lack of information regarding appropriate 

5 testing methods and proper apportionment of 

6 the energy use between the different 

7 functional components of the combined 

8 products. 

9 So, as part of developing the test 

10 procedure amendments, DOE considered available 

11 consumer usage data, and DOE noted that 

12 Lawrence Berkeley National Labs conducted a 

13 consumer usage survey to evaluate the consumer 

14 usage habits for microwave ovens. That survey 

15 collected data for microwave-only oven users, 

16 and that was for over 2200 households, and, 

17 also, over 650 households that had convection 

18 microwave oven users. 

19 And you can see the data from that 

20 study here. You can see that the microwave21 only cooking mode was used the most 

22 frequently. However, you can see that for the 
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1 convection-only and convection-microwave 

2 cooking modes, those have significantly longer 

3 cycle times than the microwave-only cycle. 

4 So, now getting into the test 

5 methods that we will be discussing for the 

6 microwave-only ovens, before being repealed, 

7 DOE's previous test procedure for microwave 

8 ovens incorporated by reference IEC 705, which 

9 was the IEC procedure for microwave active 

10 mode cooking. And that procedure measured the 

11 amount of energy needed to heat 1 kilogram of 

12 water by 10 degrees Celsius. And the test 

13 procedure also provided a calculation for the 

14 EF, which is a measure of cooking efficiency, 

15 as the ratio of the usable output power over 

16 the input power. 

17 IEC published an updated version 

18 which was redesignated as 60705, and the 

19 latest published version is the fourth 

20 edition, which was published in April of 2010. 

21 However, that procedure used the same basic 

22 test methods that the IEC 705 used. 
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1 DOE also noted that the IEC is in 

2 the process of revising its current test 

3 standard for microwave ovens, and then, the 

4 latest draft version that DOE was aware of was 

5 the November 2011 draft version. 

6 Now that November 2011 draft 

7 version included a new test method that 

8 continued to use water as the cooking load. 

9 So, that draft test method measured the energy 

10 consumption needed to heat three different 

11 load sizes, so the 275-gram, 350-gram, and 

12 1,000-gram water loads in different size test 

13 containers, first, by 45 to 50 degrees 

14 Celsius, and then, a separate test heating the 

15 load by 50 to 55 degrees Celsius. 

16 And the results from each load 

17 size were then used to interpolate the energy 

18 consumption needed to heat the load by exactly 

19 50 degrees. The cooking cycle energy 

20 consumption for each load size was then 

21 weighted based on consumer use, based on the 

22 factors in the IEC procedure, to calculate an 
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1 average weighted per-cycle energy consumption. 

2 The draft IEC method also included 

3 a method for measuring the cooling-down energy 

4 consumption after the completion of a 50-

5 degrees C temperature rise test. That 

6 procedure measured the energy use at the end 

7 of the cycle for a fixed period of 15 minutes. 

8 Now, although this procedure could 

9 be used to measure all microwave ovens, 

10 including those that just revert back to 

11 standby or off mode after the cooking cycle, 

12 the IEC procedure noted that this procedure 

13 was designed to measure the energy consumption 

14 associated with ventilating the microwave 

15 oven, which is to say operating a fan to cool 

16 down the cavity. And that draft method 

17 included this as an informative annex that was 

18 not required to be conducted. 

19 Now in the June 2012 NODA, DOE 

20 presented its testing results from testing the 

21 data according to the draft IEC method. And 

22 you can see here the average-per-cycle energy 
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1 consumption ranged from about 38 to about 115 

2 watt-hours per cycle, and the test-to-test 

3 variation was about half a percent to about 1 

4 percent. 

5 And DOE also conducted testing to 

6 evaluate the cooling-down test method after 

7 the completion of the microwave-only cycle. 

8 And again, test results showed minimal 

9 variation in the measured cooling-down energy 

10 consumption. And for all the units that DOE 

11 tested, none actually contained a fan that 

12 operated at the end of the microwave-only 

13 cooking cycle. And when the door was closed, 

14 the products all reverted back to standby 

15 mode. 

16 DOE also noted that the European 

17 Committee for Electrotechnical 

18 Standardization, which is known as CENELEC, 

19 they also conducted a round-robin testing 

20 program to evaluate the draft test method. 

21 That consisted of five manufacturer test labs 

22 and five independent test labs using four 
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1 different microwave oven models. And based on 

2 that testing, the results shown in the table, 

3 CENELEC determined that the repeatability and 

4 reproducibility for that draft test method 

5 were deemed to be acceptable. 

6 So, based on DOE and CENELEC 

7 testing, DOE believes that the test methods in 

8 the November 2011 draft IEC 60705 produced 

9 repeatable and reproducible results. So, DOE 

10 is proposing to include provisions for 

11 measuring the microwave-only active mode 

12 energy consumption based on that draft test 

13 method. And we are also proposing some 

14 additional language to clarify those 

15 provisions that we will get into in the next 

16 few slides. 

17 So, first, for the definitions, 

18 the current DOE test procedure includes 

19 definitions of built-in and freestanding, but 

20 DOE is proposing to also add a definition for 

21 over-the-range to describe the installation 

22 configuration for certain microwaves that are 
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1 intended to be installed in the cabinetry 

2 above the conventional cooking top or range. 

3 And DOE is also proposing to include in that 

4 definition that such products are supported by 

5 the cabinetry walls or other similar 

6 structures on the sides, top, and/or rear of 

7 the product. 

8 Again, for over-the-range 

9 microwave ovens, those products are generally 

10 equipped with a fan that is designed to vent 

11 air out of the cooking cavity. And those 

12 offer two different installation 

13 configurations. 

14 The first is such that the vent 

15 exhausts air from the cooking cavity to the 

16 outdoors, and the second is such that the vent 

17 recirculates air back into the room. Now DOE 

18 is proposing to require that over-the-range 

19 ovens be installed with the exhaust vent 

20 recirculation fan installed in the 

21 recirculation configuration, and this was 

22 based on DOE's review of the products in its 
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1 test sample, that this was generally the 

2 default configuration for most products that 

3 we had in our sample, and it will also 

4 minimize burden by not requiring additional 

5 requirements for the test room to be capable 

6 of venting outdoors. So, DOE is proposing 

7 this to provide a consistent method across all 

8 different products. 

9 Now, for the setup of testing, the 

10 November 2011 draft IEC 60705 specifies that 

11 at the beginning of the test the oven shall 

12 not have been operated for a period of at 

13 least six hours before each test. The draft 

14 test method also specifies that the 

15 temperature of the magnetron and the power 

16 supply must be within 2 degrees Celsius of the 

17 ambient temperature and that forced air may be 

18 used to cool the microwave oven to the ambient 

19 conditions. 

20 Currently, the DOE test procedure 

21 specifies for testing that all areas of the 

22 appliance shall attain what is called the 
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1 normal non-operating temperature before any 

2 tests. And that is defined in the test 

3 procedure as the temperature that the 

4 appliance would achieve if it remained in the 

5 test room for 24 hours, plus or minus 2.8 

6 degrees Celsius. 

7 And DOE is not proposing to amend 

8 that definition of the normal non-operating 

9 temperature currently specified in the DOE 

10 test procedure. Now we recognize that it is a 

11 slightly larger range. However, DOE noted 

12 that both of these methods essentially specify 

13 that the product be at the ambient condition. 

14 So, DOE wasn't aware that the change in the 

15 temperature range would have an effect, a 

16 measurable effect, on the efficiency. 

17 Now the November 2011 draft test 

18 method also specifies, when making temperature 

19 measurements, that the water loads be placed 

20 on a thermally-insulating pad. DOE is just 

21 proposing an additional clarification to 

22 require that the pad have a heat capacity of 
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1 1.3 kilojoules per kilogram kelvin or less, 

2 which is the heat capacity of polystyrene, 

3 which is a readily-available material that 

4 will effectively insulate the water load in 

5 making those temperature measurements. 

6 Jenn? 

7 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. 

8 I just have a question, and it is 

9 just sort of related to the setup, but not to 

10 something you presented. 

11 MR. BATTAGLIA: Okay. 

12 MS. CLEARY: In Section 2.9.3.1, 

13 it indicates that the test room temperature 

14 indicating system shall have a minimum 

15 resolution of 0.18 degrees Fahrenheit or 0.1 

16 degrees Celsius and a max error no greater 

17 than those things, 0.18 degrees Fahrenheit and 

18 0.1 degrees Celsius. We are just wondering if 

19 that is an error because the IEC max error is 

20 1 degrees Celsius. 

21 MR. BATTAGLIA: That may be. We 

22 will take a look at it. We should be using 
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1 those same parameters for the temperature 

2 measurement. So, we will take a look at that. 

3 MS. CLEARY: Okay. Yes, it just 

4 seemed like a pretty big difference. 

5 MR. BATTAGLIA: Yes, yes. Okay. 

6 Thank you. 

7 All right. So, DOE is proposing 

8 to include test methods for measuring the 

9 energy consumption of the fan-only mode while 

10 the microwave is cooling down after the end of 

11 the microwave-only active mode cycle. 

12 As we discussed, none of the 

13 products in DOE's test sample were actually 

14 equipped with a fan that operated at the end 

15 of the microwave-only cooking cycle, but, 

16 instead, just reverted back to standby and off 

17 mode when the load was removed and the door is 

18 closed. However, DOE recognizes that products 

19 could be made available that do have a fan 

20 that operated in that fan-only mode after the 

21 end of the cycle. 

22 So, we are proposing that the fan-
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1 only mode be measured for only those products 

2 equipped with a fan that operates at the end 

3 of the microwave-only active mode cycle. So, 

4 we are proposing to add a definition of fan5 only mode as a mode that is not user6 selectable and in which a fan circulates air 

7 internally or externally to the microwave oven 

8 for a finite period of time after the end of 

9 the cooking cycle. 

10 So, for products that are capable 

11 of operating in fan-only mode, DOE is 

12 proposing that the fan-only mode be measured 

13 based on the provisions in the November 2011 

14 draft IEC 60705 with an additional 

15 modification that, instead of being measured 

16 for a fixed period of 15 minutes, the energy 

17 consumption and duration of the fan-only mode 

18 would be measured just until the end of that 

19 fan-only mode. 

20 Now DOE is not aware of the 

21 typical duration of fan-only mode since none 

22 of the products in its test sample were 
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1 capable of such a mode. Now we noted that the 

2 November 2011 draft test method specifies that 

3 the load should be removed and the door closed 

4 within 30 seconds after the 50-degrees C 

5 temperature rise when making that fan-only 

6 mode measurement. And as you will see in a 

7 few slides, we are requesting comment on 

8 whether that 30-second period will 

9 sufficiently capture the fan-only mode energy 

10 consumption. That is just for the door being 

11 closed, so whether the duration of the fan12 only mode is such that the 30 seconds won't 

13 affect the fan-only mode energy consumption. 

14 Now the draft IEC test method does 

15 not require multiple repeat test runs. 

16 However, DOE believes that requiring multiple 

17 runs will improve the accuracy of test 

18 results. So, we are proposing to require that 

19 the full microwave-only test be repeated three 

20 times unless the total per-cycle energy 

21 consumption for the second measurement is 

22 within 1.5 percent of the value from the first 
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1 measurement. 

2 So, here we have our first comment 

3 request, and that is for the proposed methods 

4 for measuring the active mode energy use, 

5 based on the provisions in the IEC, draft IEC 

6 test method. And we are also seeking comments 

7 on the number of repeat test runs. 

8 Jennifer? 

9 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. 

10 I have a few questions. First, 

11 just regarding the testing, do you recall what 

12 the age of the products that were tested? I 

13 know it was for the notice, so it was a while 

14 ago. But do you know what age those products 

15 were? 

16 MR. BATTAGLIA: We would have to 

17 go back and look to see exactly what those 

18 were. 

19 MS. CLEARY: And did DOE take a 

20 look at what percentage of the market, like in 

21 terms of shipments, the test sample 

22 represents? 
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1 MR. BATTAGLIA: I don't know that 

2 we have specific data on specific model of 

3 shipments. 

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes. Well, I 

5 would just say, typically, we picked units 

6 that were typical of those that were high 

7 shipments, but I don't think that we did 

8 specific shipments. But I think you could say 

9 they are pretty representative -- 

10 MR. BATTAGLIA: Yes, we tried 

11 to -- 

12 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- of typical 

13 microwaves on the market. 

14 MR. BATTAGLIA: Yes. In the NOPR, 

15 you can see we try to capture a wider range of 

16 product, the cavity volumes and power ratings. 

17 MS. CLEARY: And then, my final 

18 question is regarding the three test runs. I 

19 guess it is a little unclear why DOE is 

20 deciding to go with three when IEC determined 

21 that the repeatability and reproducibility was 

22 acceptable and is requiring only one test run. 
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1 So, I am just wondering a little bit about 

2 what additional data DOE might have that is 

3 requiring three and how it is determined that 

4 three is the appropriate number as well. 

5 MR. BATTAGLIA: That provision is 

6 based on the previous IEC 705. We are 

7 certainly open to comments on whether that 

8 number is required or is necessary to 

9 accurately represent the results. 

10 MS. CLEARY: Thank you. 

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. 

12 Additional comments based on this 

13 comment box? 

14 (No response.) 

15 Okay. 

16 MR. BATTAGLIA: Okay, and the next 

17 topic we are seeking comment on is the fan18 only mode proposal and the proposal to only 

19 measure it for those products that are capable 

20 of operating in fan-only mode. 

21 We are also seeking comment on 

22 whether the 30-second period to remove the 
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1 test load from the microwave and close the 

2 door would accurately measure the microwave3 only fan-only mode energy use. 

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Jen? 

5 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary 

6 again. 

7 I gather, since I didn't see any 

8 data, that DOE hasn't done any additional 

9 testing since the NODA? 

10 MR. BATTAGLIA: No. No, anything 

11 that is in the NOPR, I believe it just 

12 presents the results from the NODA. 

13 MS. CLEARY: Okay. So, then, I 

14 guess, based on that, then, DOE has not done 

15 any testing on the proposal as it is proposed 

16 in the NOPR? 

17 MR. BATTAGLIA: Well, for fan-only 

18 mode, we didn't have any products that 

19 operated in fan-only mode. So, based on this 

20 proposal, that was -- 

21 MS. ARMSTRONG: That is correct. 

22 MR. BATTAGLIA: Yes. 
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Ashley. 

2 MS. CLEARY: Thank you. 

3 MR. BATTAGLIA: Okay. One last 

4 topic for microwave-only ovens. Just that in 

5 the NODA, DOE presented results from testing 

6 to evaluate mixtures that would simulate food 

7 loads that are heated in the microwave. And 

8 those mixtures were composed of water and 

9 basic food ingredients with a total combined 

10 mass of 350 grams. Those ingredients 

11 composing each mixture were based on 

12 nutritional labels of commonly-microwaved 

13 foods. 

14 And DOE also conducted some 

15 additional testing with just one or two key 

16 ingredients to see whether that would improve 

17 the repeatability of results. However, the 

18 test results that we presented in the NODA 

19 showed a higher range in average test 

20 variation compared to the water-only tests. 

21 So, DOE is not proposing to require the use of 

22 real or simulated foods for microwave-only 
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1 mode. 

2 Okay. Now getting into the test 

3 methods for convection microwave ovens, 

4 convection microwave ovens typically can be 

5 operated using different cooking modes. So, 

6 the microwave-only cooking mode, the 

7 convection-only, and the convection microwave 

8 mode. 

9 DOE noted that convection 

10 microwave ovens represent a significant number 

11 of shipments and warrant separate testing 

12 methods. And DOE noted that convection 

13 microwave ovens represent about 4 percent of 

14 microwave shipments, and that equates to about 

15 400,000 annual shipments. 

16 And based on DOE's testing that we 

17 will present a little later, the convection18 only cooking mode represents about 28 percent 

19 of the total annual energy consumption and the 

20 convection microwave cooking mode represents 

21 about 17 percent. 

22 So, for convection microwave 
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1 ovens, for the microwave-only mode, DOE is 

2 proposing to use the same basic test method 

3 that we described in the last section for 

4 measuring the microwave-only mode. That is 

5 based on the November 2011 draft, IEC 60705. 

6 We are just seeking comment on that 

7 specifically for convection microwave ovens 

8 here. 

9 Okay. For the June 2012 NODA, DOE 

10 investigated whether a test procedure could be 

11 developed to measure the convection-only 

12 cooking mode for convection microwave ovens. 

13 And for the June 2012 NODA, DOE developed a 

14 test method based on the DOE conventional oven 

15 test procedure. 

16 That procedure first requires that 

17 you set the temperature controls for the 

18 convection cooking cycle, so that the 

19 temperature inside the cavity is 325 degrees 

20 Fahrenheit higher than the room ambient 

21 temperature. Then, the test requires that you 

22 heat an 8.5-pound cylindrical aluminum test 
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1 block from the ambient temperature until the 

2 test block temperature has increased by 234 

3 degrees Fahrenheit above its initial 

4 temperature. And the measured energy 

5 consumption from the cycle is, then, used to 

6 measure the cooking efficiency and the energy 

7 factor. 

8 Now DOE noted that the cavity 

9 temperature requirement of 325 degrees 

10 Fahrenheit higher than the room ambient 

11 temperature would result in a temperature 

12 setting close to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Now, 

13 based on DOE's review of products on the 

14 market, a number of convection microwave ovens 

15 do not have a 400-degree Fahrenheit 

16 temperature setting, but all the products that 

17 DOE surveyed had a 375-degree setting. 

18 As a result, DOE modified the test 

19 method for the NODA to conduct the testing 

20 using the 375-degree temperature setting, 

21 again, to heat the aluminum block to 234 

22 degrees above the initial temperature. And 
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1 DOE also specified for the testing that the 

2 aluminum test block be placed on the metal 

3 cooking rack that is provided with the product 

4 by the manufacturer. 

5 So, here we just have the results 

6 from testing. And you can see, for this 

7 method, it showed minimal test-to-test 

8 variation. And that was about 1.3 percent on 

9 average. 

10 So, based on the testing analysis, 

11 DOE is proposing to amend the cooking test 

12 procedure to measure the convection-only 

13 cooking mode, based on the test method that we 

14 described previously, along with some 

15 additional clarifications. 

16 Specifically for the turntable, 

17 DOE is proposing to require that, if the 

18 product allows for that turntable to be turned 

19 on or off, it shall be tested with the 

20 turntable turned on. And this is because DOE 

21 noted that the turntable is typically turned 

22 on by default. So, as a result, that would be 
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1 likely the most common configuration used by 

2 consumers. 

3 Now, for fan-only mode, DOE again 

4 is proposing to require that the energy use 

5 and duration of that mode be measured until 

6 the end of the fan-only mode at the end of the 

7 convection-only cooking cycle. And again, 

8 this was based on different durations of the 

9 mode. So, DOE noted in its testing that the 

10 fan-only mode duration was between zero and 

11 seven minutes. DOE also believes that the 

12 added test time for the fan-only mode will be 

13 minimal compared to the overall convection14 only test cycling. 

15 So, DOE is also proposing to add 

16 new sections to calculate the convection 

17 microwave oven convection-only cooking cycle 

18 energy consumption, using the same basic 

19 calculations that are currently in the DOE 

20 conventional oven test procedure. Now the 

21 convection-only cooking cycle and fan-only 

22 mode energy consumption would be added 
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1 together to calculate the convection-only mode 

2 energy consumption. And DOE is also proposing 

3 to apply a field-use factor to the convection4 only mode energy consumption to account for 

5 the typical consumer use of this mode, using 

6 the data that we presented earlier. 

7 So, DOE determined that field-use 

8 factor is 0.26, based on the average 

9 convection-only cooking cycle length, based on 

10 the consumer use data, which was 18.7 minutes 

11 divided by the average measured test cycle 

12 length for units in DOE's test cycle, which 

13 was about 73 minutes. 

14 And again, here DOE is again 

15 proposing to require that the test be repeated 

16 three times, unless the second measurement is 

17 within 1.5 percent of the value obtained for 

18 the first measurement. And again, that is to 

19 improve the accuracy of the test results. 

20 So, here we are seeking comments 

21 on the proposed convection-only mode test 

22 method that is based on the DOE convection 
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1 test procedure. And we are also seeking 

2 comment, again, on the requirement to repeat 

3 the test runs. 

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Jennifer? 

5 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. 

6 Again, I have a number of 

7 questions. I'm sorry. 

8 MR. BROOKMAN: That is okay. 

9 MS. CLEARY: First, I was just 

10 wondering if DOE considered any safety issues 

11 that might be associated with testing 

12 convection? Or did you encounter any while 

13 you were doing investigative testing? 

14 MR. BATTAGLIA: For the 

15 convection-only ovens, DOE did not observe any 

16 safety issues. It was essentially the same 

17 procedure as convection ovens. So, it is not 

18 using the microwave function during that 

19 convection-only test. 

20 MS. CLEARY: Since the turntable, 

21 if there is a turntable and it can be turned 

22 off or on, will be turned on, can DOE clarify 
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1 where it is thinking the thermocouple junction 

2 would be? 

3 MR. BATTAGLIA: So, the 

4 thermocouple junction, there is still a hole 

5 in the test block, so that the thermocouple is 

6 inserted inside the test block. We don't have 

7 any issues, if the test load is placed at the 

8 center of the turntable, we didn't have any 

9 issues with the contact or anything like that. 

10 So, I don't think there were any issues with 

11 that, that we experienced at least. 

12 MS. CLEARY: Okay. Thank you. 

13 And my last set of questions. I 

14 guess DOE is proposing to use the same test 

15 block as is currently used in the convection 

16 cooking product test procedure. So, I am just 

17 wondering if DOE did any kind of study to 

18 determine that the food load that would be in 

19 the convection portion of the microwave would 

20 be similar to a typical conventional cooking 

21 product. 

22 MR. BATTAGLIA: Right. I think 
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1 that is sort of how we created that field-use 

2 factor. We don't have data at this time about 

3 the typical size of cooking loads. So, the 

4 field-use factor would attempt to account for 

5 the duration of a load. 

6 MS. CLEARY: Thank you. 

7 MR. BATTAGLIA: Uh-hum. 

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional 

9 comments? 

10 (No response.) 

11 MR. BATTAGLIA: Okay. And again, 

12 we are seeking comments here on measuring the 

13 fan-only mode for the convection-only cooking 

14 cycle length. 

15 Okay. Now, in the June 2012 NODA, 

16 DOE presented test results to evaluate 

17 different test loads and methods for measuring 

18 the convection-microwave cooking mode. And 

19 DOE tested real food loads including 

20 shortening, potatoes, and boneless chicken 

21 breasts, and, also, one simulation load, which 

22 was a TX-151 solidifying gel, which is a 
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1 powder that hydrates when different amounts of 

2 water are added to it. 

3 And the test results for both the 

4 real and simulation food loads showed high 

5 test-to-test variation. And DOE also noted 

6 that the lab-to-lab reproducibility would also 

7 be difficult to maintain, given the 

8 variability and food loads as they are either 

9 grown or produced. So, as a result, DOE is 

10 not proposing to require the use of real or 

11 simulated food loads for measuring the energy 

12 consumption of convection microwave ovens. 

13 Okay. Because DOE was unable to 

14 identify a test load that produces repeatable 

15 and reproducible results for the convection16 microwave cooking mode, DOE is proposing to 

17 use the results from the microwave-only and 

18 convection-only test cycles, measured energy 

19 consumption from those test cycles. 

20 First, because the convection21 microwave cooking cycle length is different 

22 from the microwave-only and convection-only 
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1 cooking cycle lengths, DOE is proposing to 

2 apply a field-use adjustment based on the 

3 ratio of the convection-microwave cooking 

4 cycle length to either the microwave-only 

5 cycle length or the convection-only cooking 

6 cycle length. So, for the microwave-only 

7 cycle length, that would be 5.91, and for the 

8 convection-only cooking cycle length, that 

9 would be 0.8. And those are based on the 

10 consumer usage data. 

11 DOE is proposing that the per12 cycle energy consumption calculation would 

13 apportion the microwave-only cooking and 

14 convection-only cooking energy consumptions. 

15 And that would be based on the amount of time 

16 a typical convection microwave oven uses each 

17 of the cooking modes during a single 

18 convection-microwave cooking cycle length. 

19 And based upon DOE's review of the products, 

20 the default convection-microwave cooking mode 

21 program cycled back and forth between 

22 convection-only and microwave-only during the 
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1 single cycle. 

2 Now DOE is proposing to use 

3 weighting factors of 30 percent for the 

4 microwave-only cooking and 70 percent for the 

5 convection-only cooking. And that was based 

6 on DOE's testing and review of manuals that 

7 showed that, for a single cycle, the 

8 microwave-only accounted for about 30 percent 

9 of the total cooking time and the convection10 only for the remaining 70 percent. 

11 So, here we are seeking comment on 

12 the proposal to calculate consumption for the 

13 convection-microwave cooking mode based on the 

14 results from the microwave-only and 

15 convection-only mode. 

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Joanna? 

17 MS. MAUER: Joanna Mauer. 

18 So, this proposal is because DOE 

19 wasn't able to develop a method for actually 

20 measuring energy consumption of that type of 

21 cycle? 

22 MR. BATTAGLIA: That is correct, 
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1 yes. All the food loads that we tested were 

2 not repeatable or reproducible. So, DOE used 

3 this method to calculate the convection 

4 microwave mode. 

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Thanks. 

6 MR. BATTAGLIA: Okay. Next, 

7 again, to the energy use metric. DOE 

8 considered the data from the LBNL Consumer 

9 Usage Survey that is presented here in the 

10 table. And we also, just for information 

11 purposes, we also included our average test 

12 cycle average power, and calculated the 

13 average annual energy use. So, based on the 

14 testing and the consumer usage data for 

15 microwave-only ovens, the active mode 

16 accounted for about 75 percent of the total 

17 annual energy consumption. 

18 And again, here we have the 

19 convection microwave oven annual energy use. 

20 And again, here, let's see, the fan-only mode 

21 was estimated based on the units in DOE's test 

22 sample. So, this is for a microwave that 
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1 would be capable of fan-only mode after the 

2 convection-only and convection-microwave oven 

3 cycles. And for these products, the annual 

4 energy use accounted for, I believe it was 

5 about 84 percent of the total annual energy 

6 consumption. 

7 So, DOE is proposing to use the 

8 estimates of consumer use for each operating 

9 mode to calculate the total annual energy 

10 consumption for both microwave-only and 

11 convection microwave ovens. And for 

12 microwave-only ovens, that would be calculated 

13 as, first, taking the product of the total 

14 weighted microwave-only per-cycle energy 

15 consumption and the total number of annual 

16 microwave-only cooking cycles, and then, also, 

17 taking the product of the average standby and 

18 off mode power, and the allocated annual hours 

19 for each of those modes, and then, summing the 

20 results and converting to kilowatt hours. 

21 And again, similarly for 

22 convection microwave ovens, DOE is proposing 
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1 that, first, you would calculate the product 

2 of the microwave-only, convection-only, and 

3 convection-microwave per-cycle energy 

4 consumption and the number of annual cooking 

5 cycles for each mode for a convection 

6 microwave oven based on the consumer usage 

7 data. 

8 And then, again, the same as for 

9 microwave-only ovens, the average standby and 

10 off mode power would be calculated based on 

11 the number of hours for each of those modes, 

12 and then, again, summing the results and 

13 converting it to kilowatt hours. 

14 So, the total number of standby 

15 mode and off mode hours would be equal to the 

16 total number of non-active mode hours. And 

17 that would be calculated as the number of 

18 total hours in a year minus the average 

19 cooking cycle times based on consumer use and 

20 the measured fan-only mode times for each 

21 cooking mode. 

22 DOE is proposing for the split 
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1 between standby and off mode hours that those 

2 hours would be split evenly. DOE is not aware 

3 of any products currently on the market that 

4 are capable of operating in both standby and 

5 off mode. So, that is why we are proposing 

6 the even split between those products. 

7 Now, for the fan-only mode hours, 

8 DOE is proposing to scale those times using 

9 the convection-cycle cooking cycle length 

10 field-use factor that we discussed before, 

11 which was 0.26. And that is because the 

12 convection-only fan-only mode time was based 

13 on the proposed test method, which was using a 

14 longer cooking cycle. 

15 Now, for the convection microwave 

16 mode fan-only mode hours, DOE believes that 

17 the fan-only mode time would likely be 

18 equivalent for the convection-only cooking 

19 cycle and the convection microwave cooking 

20 cycles of the same length. DOE observed that 

21 microwave ovens that operated in fan-only mode 

22 after the convection-only cooling cycle also 
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1 operated in fan-only mode after the convection 

2 microwave cooking cycle. And DOE noted that 

3 the fan-only mode was either based on the 

4 cavity temperature or a fixed time based on 

5 the cooking cycle length. 

6 So, DOE is proposing to use the 

7 convection-only fan-only mode time, but 

8 further scaling that to account for the 

9 difference between the average convection10 microwave cooking and the convection-only 

11 cooking cycle lengths based on the consumer 

12 usage data. 

13 So, here we are seeking comment on 

14 that annual energy use metric and, also, we 

15 are welcoming any additional data on the 

16 consumer usage habits for all of the operating 

17 modes for both microwave-only ovens and 

18 convection microwave ovens. 

19 Okay. Just to go over a few other 

20 EPCA requirements, EPCA requires that test 

21 procedures be reasonably designed to produce 

22 test results that are representative of 
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1 average use and must not be unduly burdensome 

2 to conduct. 

3 So, looking at that test burden, 

4 the proposed amendments would add, for 

5 microwave-only mode, would add those methods 

6 based on the draft IEC test method. And DOE 

7 noted that the test equipment would be similar 

8 to the requirements for the previous DOE test 

9 procedure, except that it would require two 

10 additional sized test containers, and those 

11 are the 600-milliliter and 900-milliliter 

12 sized containers. 

13 DOE estimated that the one-time 

14 investment for test equipment would be on the 

15 order of about $3,000, which is about $300 

16 more than the previous DOE test procedure, and 

17 that is for those additional sized test 

18 containers. 

19 And DOE also estimated for the 

20 labor for testing, for testing a single model, 

21 it would cost between about $3,000 and $4,200, 

22 depending on the number of repeat tests 
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1 required. And that would be about $2,600 to 

2 $3,600 more than the previous test procedure. 

3 Now, for convection-only mode, 

4 again, those procedures have similar 

5 requirements to the DOE conventional oven test 

6 procedure. And in addition to the microwave7 only test equipment, testing for this mode 

8 would add about $400 for the test block for 

9 that testing. And based on DOE's estimates, 

10 for the labor DOE estimated that it would cost 

11 between $600 and $850 to test a single model, 

12 depending on the number of repeat tests 

13 required. 

14 And DOE does not expect these 

15 costs or time commitments to represent a 

16 significant burden, and we are tentatively 

17 concluding that the proposed test method would 

18 not be unduly burdensome to conduct. 

19 So, here we are seeking comment on 

20 the test burden associated with both the 

21 microwave-only and convection-only test 

22 methods. 
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: No additional 

2 comments? 

3 (No response.) 

4 As we promised first thing this 

5 morning, now is an opportunity for anybody 

6 that wants to to make final comments, 

7 additional thoughts on what was covered today. 

8 Joanna? 

9 MS. MAUER: Joanna Mauer. 

10 Just on the integrated metric, I 

11 am wondering about the relationship of this 

12 test procedure to the recently-finalized test 

13 procedure for standby and off mode. 

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley? 

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: This is Ashley 

16 from DOE. 

17 That has been finalized. As you 

18 know, we are in the process of a standards 

19 rulemaking for standby and off for microwaves. 

20 At this point, that is in the final rule 

21 development stage. 

22 This is our proposal for active 
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1 mode. Should we go down the pathway of 

2 finalizing this procedure, after we get 

3 comments, we would evaluate how they work 

4 together as part of the final rule. And it 

5 would more be a prospective thing than a 

6 retrospective thing. 

7 Okay? 

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Additional, 

9 perhaps final, comments or questions? 

10 Yes, Jennifer? 

11 MS. CLEARY: I am just not sure I 

12 totally understood what you said, Ashley. 

13 Jennifer Cleary. 

14 Are you saying that the final rule 

15 for standby and off mode standards could be 

16 published before this active mode test 

17 procedure is finalized? And so, it might 

18 change, based on this test procedure? 

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: I don't think I 

20 said it may change. At this point in time, 

21 the NOPR has been issued for the test 

22 procedure; the NOPR has been issued for the 
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1 standards. Which one comes first is unclear, 

2 but it is likely that the final rule for 

3 standby and off would be based on the 

4 previously-promulgated standby and off test 

5 procedure. 

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Ashley. 

7 Okay. Final comments? 

8 (No response.) 

9 Nothing additional? 

10 Ashley, do you want to tell us 

11 about this final slide? 

12 MS. ARMSTRONG: Oh, sure. Sure. 

13 I would just like to thank 

14 everyone for coming and participating. I hope 

15 everyone gets out before the big winter storm 

16 hits. 

17 As you can see, this is how you 

18 submit written comments. The comment period 

19 closes on April 22nd. And if you have 

20 additional questions or clarities, if you 

21 happen to run testing between now and then, 

22 feel free to send us an email and followup. 
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1 We are happy to always answer. 

2 Thanks. 

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Thanks. 

4 Take care. 

5 MR. SHARP: Mark with Panasonic. 

6 Just a quick question. I am 

7 refreshing constantly. When will this 

8 presentation be posted to the DOE website? 

9 MS. ARMSTRONG: Give us a couple 

10 of days. Typically, we post them pretty 

11 quick. Yes, that will be up, but the 

12 transcript will be about a week or so later. 

13 MR. SHARP: But the 

14 presentations -- 

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes, we can get 

16 that up pretty quick, yes. 

17 MR. BROOKMAN: And we should thank 

18 those that joined us via the web. 

19 Take care. 

20 (Whereupon, the above-entitled 

21 matter went off the record at 9:53 a.m.) 

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requiring 18:4

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response 6:19

26:14 37:10 48:3

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rise 14:5 23:5

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17:17 18:5 19:5

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round-robin 15:19

rule 8:13,15,16

10:6 48:20 49:4

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run 25:22 50:21

runs 23:15,17 24:7

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safety 35:10,16

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saying 49:14

scale 44:8

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second 17:16 23:21

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seconds 23:4,12

section 20:12 30:3

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seven 33:11

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slide 50:11

slides 7:22 16:16

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speak 4:4 6:21 7:1

specific 25:2,2,8

specifically 30:7

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stage 48:21

standard 13:3

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standards 1:17

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standby 10:7 14:11

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43:9,14 44:1,4

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start 3:14 4:9,10

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STEPHEN 1:16

storm 50:15

structures 17:6

study 11:20 36:17

stuff 4:1 7:18

submit 6:16 50:18

sufficiently 6:12

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usable 12:15

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28:8 38:2

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14:1 42:14

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welcoming 3:15

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4:16,16

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Z

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$400 47:8

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2010 8:16,21 12:20

2011 9:2 13:5,6

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2012 9:6 14:19 30:9

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2013 1:6 3:7 10:6

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275-gram 13:11

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30-second 23:8

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325 30:19 31:9

350 28:10

350-gram 13:11

375-degree 31:17

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400 31:12

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400-degree 31:15

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5 1:6 2:8

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50-degrees 23:4

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600-milliliter 46:11

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650 11:17

7

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