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HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

UNITED STATES SENATE

NINETIETH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

ON

BRIG. GEN. TOM E. MARCHBANKS, JR., U.S. AIR FORCE

RESERVE, FOR APPOINTMENT AS CHIEF OF AIR FORCE

RESERVE, AND MAJOR GENERAL, AIR FORCE RESERVE

WILLIAM K. BREHM, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF

THE ARMY (MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS)

J. WILLIAM DOOLITTLE, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE (MANPOWER AND RESERVE

AFFAIRS)

RANDOLPH S. DRIVER TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY

OF THE NAVY (MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS)

BARRY JAMES SHILLITO, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (INSTALLATIONS AND LOGISTICS)

FEBRUARY 15, APRIL 4, 1968

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COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

RICHARD B. RUSSELL, Georgia, Chairman

JOHN STENNIS, Mississippi

STUART SYMINGTON, Missouri

HENRY M. JACKSON, Washington

SAM J. ERVIN, JR., North Carolina

HOWARD W. CANNON, Nevada

ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia

STEPHEN M. YOUNG, Ohio

DANIEL K. INOUYE, Hawaii

THOMAS J. McINTYRE, New Hampshire

DANIEL B. BREWSTER, Maryland

HARRY F. BYRD, JR., Virginia

WILLIAM H. DARDEN, Chief of Staff

CHARLES B. KIRBOW, Chief Clerk

MARGARET CHASE SMITH, Maine

STROM THURMOND, South Carolina

JACK MILLER, Iowa

JOHN G. TOWER, Texas

JAMES B. PEARSON, Kansas

PETER H. DOMINICK, Colorado.

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CONTENTS

Statements of: Page

William K. Brehm to be an Assistant Secretary of the Army 16 J. William Doolittle to be an Assistant Secretary of the Air Force_ _ _ 22 Randolph S. Driver to be an Assistant Secretary of the Navy 20 Brig. Gen. Tom E. Marchbanks, Jr. for appointment as Chief of Air

Force Reserve and major general, Air Force Reserve 3

Barry James Shillito to be an Assistant Secretary of the Navy 14

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BRIG. GEN. TOM E. MARCHBANKS, JR., TO BE CHIEF OF

AIR FORCE RESERVE AND MAJOR GENERAL, AIR

FORCE RESERVE

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 1968

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, D.C.

me committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:05 a.m., in room 212,

Old Senate Office Building.

Present: Senators Stennis (presiding) Symington, Jackson, Cannon, Young (Ohio), Brewster, Byrd, Jr. (Virginia), Smith, and

Miller.

Also present: -William H. Darden, chief of staff, T. Edward Braswell, Jr., and Gordon A. Nease, professional staff members, Charles

B. Kirbow, chief clerk; and Herbert S. Atkinson, assistant clerk.

Senator STENNIS. The committee will come to order.

At the end of the open hearing this morning the committee will

hold a brief executive session to act on pending nominations.

Brig. Gen. Tom E. Marchbanks, Jr., has been nominated for appointment as Chief of the Air Force Reserve and as major general in the

Air Force Reserve.

The office of Chief of Air Force Reserve was created by legislation

considered by this committee in the last session of the Congress.

The acting chairman thought it advisable to invite General Marchbanks before the committee today in order that we might receive his

views on the functions of his office and inform him of the importance

we attach to the functions that he will perform.

(The nomination reference and report, and biographical data for

General Marchbanks follow:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

December 14, 1967.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on Armed Services:

Brigadier General Tom E. Marchbanks, Junior, FV669752, United States Air

Force Reserve, for appointment as Chief of Air Force Reserve and major gen- eral, Air Force Reserve, under the provisions of section 8019, title 10, of the United States Code.

BRIG. GEN. TOM E. MARCHBANKS, JR., FV669752

A. Personal data

1. Born 27 June 1922, San Benito, Texas. Father—Tom E. Marchbanks, Sr.; Mother—Josie Moody Marchbanks.

2. Married 26 February 1944; Wife—Sue Herrick Marchbanks; Children—

Tom E., III, and Nancy.

3. Home Address: 205 College Blvd., San Antonio, Texas.

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B. Education

1. Graduate, Mercedes High School, Mercedes, Texas, 1939.

2. Texas A&M College, College Station, Texas, 1939-1942.

C. Service dates

1. March 1942-January 1943—Pilot Training, Lackland AFB, Texas.

2. February 1943-June 1944—Squadron Commander, Advanced Pilot Training

Program, Blackland Army Air Field, Waco, Texas.

3. November 1944-June 1945—Squadron Operations Officer and Squadron

Commander, 601st Bomb Squadron, 398th Bomb Group, Eighth Air Force,

England.

4. June 1945-June 1946—Operations Officer, Central Instructor's School,

Randolph AFB, Texas.

5. June 1946—Assistant to Base Commander, Kelly AFB, Texas. Released

from Active Duty June 1946.

6. July 1951-December 1951—Operations and Training Officer, 3510th Combat

Crew Training Group, Randolph AFB, Texas.

7. December 1951-September 1952—Director of Combat Operations, 67th

Tactical Reconnaissance Group, and Squadron Commander, 45th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron, Fifth Air Force, Korea.

8. October 1952-November 1952—Director of Reconnaissance, Ninth Air Force,

Pope AFB, North Carolina.

9. July 1953-26 June 1962—Assigned to 433d Troop Carrier Wing, Med

(Reserved) , Kelly AFB, Texas, in several key staff positions including Operations Officer, Wing Inspector, Squadron Commander, and Deputy Commander.

Designated Commander of the 433d Troop Carrier Wing on 26 June 1962.

D. Decorations and awards

Distinguished Flying Cross with one Oak Leaf Cluster, May 1945.

Air Medal with Seven Oak Leaf Clusters, May 1952.

Combat Readiness Medal.

World War II Victory Medal.

European/African/Middle-Eastern Campaign Medal.

Korean Service Medal, 1951.

Vietnam Service Medal, 1967.

United Nations Service MedaL

National Defense Service Medal.

Armed Forces Reserve Medal.

Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation.

Air Force Outstanding Unit Award, 1965.

Rated Command Pilot, 22 January 1958.

E. Promotions

Rank and date of rank:

2nd Lieutenant, 14 January 1943.

1st Lieutenant, 23 February 1944.

Captain, 23 March 1945 ( Temporary ) .

Captain, 4 April 1946 (Permanent).

Major, 30 April 1951.

Lieutenant Colonel, 3 May 1958.

Colonel, 1 June 1962.

Brigadier General, 10 February 1966.

Major General.

F. Unusual experiences

1. While serving with the Eighth Air Force in the European Theatre during

World War II, compiled 252 combat hours (B-17) on 35 aerial missions.

. 2. During the Korean Conflict, compiled 165 combat hours on 100 combat missions as an RF-80 and RF-51 pilot.

Senator STENNIS. This is an office created by a special act. The same

act also provided that there will be a Chief of the Army Reserve.

General Marchbanks, we welcome you here before the committee,

and we congratulate you on your appointment.

Before questioning by members of the committee, would you give us

a brief oral summary, please, of your background and experience?
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This hearing was called in order to have a clear understanding of

what your concept of your duties are.

Will you proceed now, General, in your own way?

STATEMENT OF BRIG. GEN. TOM E. MARCHBANKS, JR., TO BE

CHIEF OF AIR FORCE RESERVE

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir, Senator Stennis.

I am certainly glad at least to realize this moment, the moment I

would refer to as the act itself rather than my appearance here, because

this gives us the tool that we are going to need if we are going to have

an effective Air Force Reserve from this date forward.

As to my experience and qualifications for this particular job,

probably you would have to look at my participation as an Air Force

Reservist. This is most important, because the connotation on the job

heretofore has not been Air Force Reservist and this is one thing that

I am very proud of.

For the first time we are injecting Reserve management into the

picture where it has been needed so long.

I have been in the Reserve program since my return from Korea in

1952, in the active end of it, I should say, in the unit program, and

I have progressed up through the raiiks of major to my present position as a wing commander down in Texas.

The last 10 years of my experience have been as a technician in this

program, and I have been frequently related with affairs affecting the

administration at the unit level or on the recipient end of many things

which we feel have been a management fault in the past.

That is my experience to this moment.

Senator STENNIS. General, I have some questions.

Do you understand that under the law creating your office, you are

to be the adviser to the Chief of Staff on Air Force Reserve matters?

General MARCHBANK. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Do you understand that as adviser, not just as an

dviser, but as the adviser set up by law, you are expected to present

your advice based upon what you think is best for the Air Reserve, and

that you are not bound by any professional policy or guidelines that

have been or may be laid down?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. What we want to avoid is setting up a policy in

advance before you give your advice, and then make you feel like you

are bound by the policies. We want you to feel your responsibility

is to give advice, and then policy matters come later.

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Do you feel now, and do you expect to always

feel so far as you are concerned, free to reach independent decisions

as to this advice, based on your own judgment?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir. It would be completely ineffective if

we had any other approach.

Senator STENNIS. You are ready to advance these judgments and

stay with them as long as you feel they are in the best interests of the

Air Reserve, bearing in mind, of course, your recommendations do not

have to be accepted. That is for someone else to say.

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir.
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Senator STENNIS. -We want an effective man in this place who is

dedicated to what we wrote out in this law. You feel it is your duty

and responsibility, and that you will pursue this course; is that right?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir I do.

Senator STENNIS. Do you now believe

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as you understand it, that

you will be furnished the resources, the staff and authority necessary

to do your job?

General MARCHBANKS. I think there is sufficient language in the intent of the law and that it is very well defined. My interpretation that

I am using goes right by these guidelines. I anticipate no problems.

Senator STENNIS. Do you think that you will be given the proper

staff?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir. I am presently making proposals to

the the Chief of Staff on a suggested organization, which I believe

-will answer every intent of the law. If this is accepted, and I have

no reason to feel that it won't be, we will then have every vehicle we

need to manage the Air Force Reserve.

Senator STENNIS. As I recall, we debated how far we would go in

writing out the staff requirements. We decided not to try to spell it

all out. There had to be some discretion. But we all agreed that we

wanted you to have an adequate staff, and not just be a figurehead.

If you don't get an adequate staff we expect you to let the committee

know.

General MARCHBANKS. That is why I am here, Mr. Stennis that is

right.

Senator STENNIS. Do you want to say anything further about what

you think is necessary for you to carry out your functions, either as to

staff or any other matter?

General MARCHBANKS. Specifically, no. Generally I would like to

make a statement that the things we are about to do in the Air Force

Reserve will in some form produce a drastic change, and this does not

speak against any system. It rather speaks to a lack of system that we

have had in the past, and I hope through empathy of the status of

the reservist and the important role in national defense that he has,

that we will come up with something in an area of turmoil in the past

that will now be a smoothly oiled part of our national defense concept.

Senator STENNIS. On this matter of being adviser to the Chief of

Staff, that will require a personal access to the Chief. You expect to

get that, do you?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. And you will insist on it?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir I will.

Senator STENNIS. I think it is the intent to put Air Force Reserve,

too, on the same level as the Air National Guard.

Getting into the field of equipment and supplies we have insisted

that new emphasis be placed on obtaining adequate equipment for

those Reserve units, including the Guard. I assume you are acquainted

with that and fully in sympathy with that provision of the law?

General MARCHBANKS. I certainly am.

Senator STENNIS. That is included in your duties as adviser to the

Chief of Staff?

General MARCHBANKS. It certainly is. We have strong feelings about

equipment, and if we are going to have a role in the defense picture
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and a contingency status, we are going to have to have equipment to

do this with. Obviously right now our first priority comes to our forces

in Vietnam. We are content with what we have as long as we can

maintain skills for the active force.

Senator STENNIS. As I have understood it, you have already said

that you are expecting not just minor changes, but major changes?

General MARSHBANKS. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. As a matter of policy here in reference to implementing this law regarding the Air Force section, there is one other

matter. Section 801 (9) , paragraph C, provides that you are appointed

for a term of 4 years

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and may be removed only for cause. The term of

4 years is prescribed in order that the officer holding this position can

be free from any fear or threat of transfer, dismissal for any action.

This was done in order that you have freedom from any restrictions in

policies, and that you would have the opportunity to advance and follow your convictions as to what should be done for the Air Force

Reserve.

We don't mean to suggest that you are given any superior immunities, but you understand that you do have this full freedom of action.

You have a 4-year term that cannot be arbitrarily terminated.

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, Senator, I understand.

Senator STENNIS. And you will use it in the context of this 4-year

term?

General MARCHBANKS. I will.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Smith, do you have any questions?

Senator SMITH. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

Some Air Force Reserve leaders have expressed great concern that

the air staff and the Regular Air Force organization will not give General Marchbanks the power and authority intended by the legislation

creating his position and the organization under him. They are hopeful that this confirmation hearing will clearly establish the intent of

the Congress that the legislation enacted did not merely change the

title of the office and organization, and only make minor changes in

the old organization to comply with the new law.

This concern has been very clearly stated by the director of military

relations of the Air Force Association, Col. Jackson V. Rambeau, in

his article in the Air Force magazine January 1968 issue entitled "Off

the Hook—Or on It?"

Because of its excellence, I ask that it be placed in the record of this

hearing.

Senator STENNis. Without objection it will be put in the record.

(The article referred to follows:)

[From the Air Force Magazine, January 1968]

OFF THE HooK?-011 ON IT?

(By Jackson V. Rambeau, AFA Director of Military Relations)

WASHINGTON, D.C., December 12.—Did the Senate get the Air Force "off the

hook" in modifying that provision of the Reserve Forces Bill of Rights which

calls for an Office of Air Force Reserve at Hq. USAF?

That was the question being argued in the Air Staff in December. Last March

at AFA's National Convention in San Francisco, Maj. Gen. Bertram C. Harrison,

Director for Manpower and Organization, DCS/Programs & Resources, described

the reorganization called for in H.R. 2, which has since been signed by the

President and has become Public Law 90-168, with an effective date of January 1, 1968.

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"Frankly," said General Harrison at that time, "the Office of Air Force Reserve

. . . is patterned after the Air Section of the National Guard Bureau, and covers

essentially the same functions as that organization. This was not a case of

following the line of least resistance, but that of carrying out the spirit and

intent of the proposed legislation."

General Harrison indicated that the plans developed by his staff called for

an Office of Air Force Reserve of up to 200 people. And, he added:

"We do not feel Continental Air Command is absolutely necessary to command

the Reserve units when and if a top-echelon management organization is established in the Air Staff in Washington. . . ."

As well as we can tell at this writing, it was and is the intent of Congress that

the Air Reserve Bureau should be set up along the lines described by General

Harrison.

This point was made by Sen. John C. Stennis (D.-Miss.) in explaining the bill

to the Senate before it voted.

"The bill would create a military chief of the Army Reserves and the chief

of Air Force Reserves—these are military officers," Senator Stennis said. "This

office would be headed by a Reserve major general who would be appointed by

the President, confirmed by the Senate for a four-year term. This office will

serve to provide the Army and Air Force Reserves with an arrangement similar

to that now existing for the Chief of the National Guard Bureau."

Senator Stennis added that the Senate Armed Services Committee had "deleted

the House version which would have created a statutory staff for the Chief of

the Army and Air Force Reserves," because it felt this was an "internal matter"

to be handled by the services. "The present system has been satisfactory for

the National Guard Bureau," he said. "They have always had sufficient staff,

and we believe that these Reserve officers will have sufficient staff." But, he

warned, "If they do not get it, . . . we would consider mandatory language."

From present indications, it would appear that "mandatory language" may

be necessary, for in a presentation to the Chief of Staff following passage of

PL 90-168, senior staff members are reported to have advised General McConnell

that to comply with the law only three relatively modest changes were necessary

in the present office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Reserve Forces: (1) that

the office be renamed the Office for Air Force Reserve; (2) that functions pertaining to the Air National Guard be deleted; and (3) that an Air Force Reserve

general officer be called to active duty to head it. They suggested that he would

need only a small increase in the present staff—perhaps to about thirty members,

and that the present structure and missions of CAC should be retained.

If this report is substantially correct, we believe some elements of the Air

Staff have misinterpreted the intent of Congress, and that the Air Force General

Counsel should be consulted without delay. USAF, whose congressional relations—in contrast to those of DoD—have been generally cordial, seems to be

letting itself in for warranted criticism if it deliberately ignores the will of

Congress.

The Senate Was to have an opportunity to clarify its intent in hearings on

confirmation Of the White House nominee for the post of Chief of the Air Reserve

Office. At this writing, it was understood that Brig. Gen. Tom Marchbanks, Commander of the 443d Tactical Airlift Wing at Kelly AFB, Tex., and a long-time

member of AFA's Reserve Council, was in line for the post.

Despite some flaws in interpretation, however, PL 90-168 effectively takes

care of, in one package, many of the ills that have plagued the Air Reserve

Forces for years. Though action OD Title II has been deferred, National Guard

technicians have been reassured at the highest levels in Congress that action

on this measure will be renewed early in 1968. For the passage of this legislation, Reserve Forces personnel—and indeed the entire military establishment—

owe a giant debt of gratitude to the remarkable insight, parliamentary skill, and

dogged perseverance of the father of H.R. 2, Rep. F. Edward Hebert of Louisiana.

Senator SMITH. Mr. Chairman, I have several questions. I hope

that I do not repeat those you have asked.

Senator STENNIS. Please proceed.

Senator SMITH. General, since Public Law 90-168 calls for the

establishment of the Office of Air Force Reserve, what are your

thoughts on the kind of organization which should be established

and what is being done about it?
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General MARCHBANKS. Senator Smith, in a determination of our

studies of what we were actually trying to create here, we went to

the history of the law and also what we thought was the intent of

the law. The language is very clear to me, and we are going to create 

something which is similar in function to the National Guard Bureau,

which will functionally get us the same results that they get in the

National Guard Bureau.

We are presently, and I will restate this, considering three proposals

which will be presented. All three of them will originate from my

office, and we will present these to the Chief of Staff. All of them

will be evaluated in light of intent of the law itself.

Senator SMITH. Do you believe the Air Staff is fully cognizant to

the intent of Congress in the implementation of the "Reserve Bill of

Rights"?

General MARCHBANKS. I think there might be some question on the

Air Staff as to the intention, but certainly not if it referred to the

history of the law. Anything that is new is controversial to some

extent. The Air Staff is not privy at this moment to our proposals, and

I think that they will be very receptive to them once we have them

developed.

Senator SMITH. Since you have served as an Air Reserve technician,

what is your opinion of that program and do you think it should be

extended?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, I do. I think it should be extended. I

think that probably the key to the success we have had in our Reserve

force in the Air Force is that it has given us the continuity and the

hard-core stability which enables us to have combat-ready units that

we have today. In our recent recall, all of our units were at a very high

state of readiness. I attribute this to the Air Reserve technicians

program.

I think, though, we are going to have to probably develop this program to include nonflying units, so we can get the full realization

across the spectrum in Air Force Reserve activities.

Senator SMITH. Do you believe the image of the Air Force Reserve is satisfactory at present, or, in your opinion, does it need

improvement?

General MARCHBANKS. I think that our image is not what we would

want it to be. I think it can be much better. Probably we are more

formidable to foreign nations than we are right here to our own people

at home. There are many factors to consider. Our image can be better,

and we intend to develop it. I think that it needs more attention. It

certainly will get it through our new organization.

Senator SMITH. Has the image of the Air Force Reserve diminished

any because Reserves have not been mobilized for the Vietnam conflict?

General MARCHBANKS. Well, it has, as all Reserve images have decreased because they haven't been mobilized for this conflict, but now

this has almost been taken over by events in our recent callup and I

think it has given us stature that we needed.

Senator SMITH. Having had years of experience in the Air Force

Reserve, what do you consider to be the major problems existing right

now?
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General MARCHBANKS. I don't think we have any major problems.

I think that our problems are a group of small problems that come

out of the management system that existed in the administration of

the Air Force Reserve program over a period of years, from Korea

to the moment. I think that with our new proposed reorganization

under the intent of this new law that we have, we will eliminate all of

these.

Senator SMITH. Based on your experience, is there a need for a pilot

training program for direct input into the Air Force Reserve units?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, there is. There is a very strong need for

it. Basically you don't have a demand without a resource, and this is

the position we find ourselves in in the Air Force Reserve. The fallout from the active establishment is not sufficient to supply us with

the combat-ready pilots that we need for a strong and creditable backup force to the active Air Force. We are going to have to realize some

day pilot training on the part of the Air Force Reserve. There are

pilot training programs in existence, but we in the Air Force Reserve

don't participate. I think it is always referred to as Air Reserve Forces

and the National Guard does have a very fine pilot training program.

But we in the Air Force Reserve must have a similar program.

Senator SMITH. Do you think the aircraft assigned to the Air Force

Reserve are adequate to accomplish its training purposes?

General MARCHBANKS. I will refer to a former answer I gave in that

I think they are adequate from the standpoint of maintaining skills.

When you get to a position of priorities, and obviously our priorities

must go to our support of the Vietnam war, and we don't have too

many planes in the Air Force anyway, we will be satisfied to maintain our skills with what we have. The moment we can realize and upgrade our equipment we will, because we want it. We do want to keep

these people current and efficient on existing weapons systems, not

semi-obsolescent.

Senator SMITH. What is the Air Force doing to reduce your overages in grades lieutenant colonel and major?

General MARCHBANKS. We are holding a board, a screening board

in June, I think it is June 10, to consider an overage that we have to

ceilings in the grades of lieutenant colonel and major. This must be

done in very good taste and we intend to do it that way, and give individuals who are not active or who are not participating an opportunity to withdraw or get more active, or respond to the screening

process that we set up. We intend to reduce the number of overages in these grades to an acceptable ceiling.

Senator SMITH. How soon do you expect that you will be prepared

to respond to the possible future needs of the Air Force Reserve in

context with the future requirements of the Air Force?

General MARCHBANKS. You are talking to me personally or to the

organization?

Senator SMITH. I am talking to you personally.

General MARCHBANKS. I am ready to respond right now and am

perfectly capable of responding. I think we have been in that business

now for a sufficient length of time that all we need is a vehicle, and we

are ready to go.

Senator SMITH. And that is what you have in mind?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, Senator.
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Senator SMITH. Have you any thoughts on the future relationship of the Office of Air Force Reserve with the air section of the National Guard Bureau?

I think you answered that in part in response to Senator Stennis' question.

General MARCHBANKS. I did in comparing the two organizations. As far as relationship with the National Guard Bureau, and there has been this in previous years we created sort of a splinter force action in the Air Force, I think, when we considered a merger and things of this nature which are dead issues now. We intend to have a very fine relationship with the National Guard Bureau and similar organi- zations with like objectives. We intend to capitalize on this, and I

think as a team the Air Reserve Force team, that we can do much in

areas where both complement each other in our organization and operation.

Senator SMITH. I gather you are optimistic in this.

General MARCHBANKS. I am very optimistic.

Senator SMITH. General, is there any possibility that your office will be considered for location in an area outside the confines of the Pentagon?

General MARCHBANKS. I would certainly hope not. I can't imagine

a more effective spot to operate from, let me put it that way. I think

we would have to be on the scene to be effective, and responsive. Things like this are important. We would need to be in the building. I would hope we would be. I have no indication that we will not be.

Senator SMITH. That was m37 next question.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, if the general in reading the transcript has anything he would like to add, I would like him to do so.

Senator STENNIS. Without objection it is certainly agreed to.

I commend you for your good questions, Senator Smith.

May I just say one word. Senator Smith has inserted an article in the record about this new position. And the article refers to the fact that the committee of the Senate has left out the mandatory features

of the House bill as to staff, as we thought it was an internal matter.

But speaking for the committee on the floor of the Senate, I said that if this should prove inadequate, that we would favor mandatory language. I want to reiterate that sentiment of the committee. We have

gotten this far along and we don't propose to let this be crippled now

because of lack of staff.

Senator SMITH. Thank you for that addition.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Symington.

Senator SYMINGTON. How many Reserve unit§ to the best of your knowledge are combat ready?

General MARCH-BANKS. Well, rather than give you a number, I

would say they all are at this moment. There is not one that we couldn't deploy with a high clegree of effectiveness.

Senator SYMINGTON. All over the United States?

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir.

Senator SYMINGTON. Your testimony is that all of the Reserve Wings in the Air Force Reserve today are combat ready.

General MARCHBANKS. Yes, sir; they are all combat ready.

Senator SYMINGTON. Thank you, General.
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No further questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Miller.

Senator MILLER. I have no questions.

I would just like to make this comment. I would be hopeful that

you personally would see fit to take time out of a very busy schedule

which I am sure you will have, to get out into the field to some of the

small Air Reserve units, so that you can hear personally from the

men in those units regarding their needs for more meaningful Reserve duty.

General MARCHBANKS. I would like to respond to that in this form,

in that not only will we do that, we have called people in from these

small units, consulting them as to the present organization regarding

proposals. Everything that we do is going to be a major change

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and

I would like to reiterate that. We can't have the business that we have

been having. Everything is going to be a major change.

Senator MILLER. I think it is all right to call in some senior officer

from one of these Reserve units, but in my judgment there is nothing

that can take the place of you personally getting down to the small

unit and talking to some of the more junior members of that unit, and

finding out what their thoughts are.

General MARCHBANKS. I couldn't agree with you more.

Senator MILLER. I am afraid that we have not had that transmitted

to higher headquarters adequately in previous years.

General MARCHBANKS. I am afraid you are right.

Senator MILLER. And I think that you have offered the potential for

that to be done, but it is going to necessitate, as I say, your taking

time out of what would be a very busy schedule to do this. I think in

the long pull it would pay dividends.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Cannon.

Senator CANNON. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. I am very

happy to see this job being created and the position being filled, and

I want to wish General Marchbanks the best of luck in his new

assignment,

I don't have any questions this morning.

Senator' STENNIS. Thank you, Senator.

Senator Young.

Senator YOUNG. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have no questions but

I am going to be very happy to vote in favor of this nomination,

General MARCHBANKS. Thank you Senator.

Senator STENNIS. You have finished, Senator?

Senator YOUNG. Yes; I think this is a step forward and I am glad

it is being taken.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Brewster.

Senator BREWSTER. General, would you address yourself in a general

fashion to the status of the equipment of the Air Force Reserve ? Do

you have your full complement of equipment and is it up to date?

General MARCHBANKS. I am not hedging here. I would like to address this. Up to date is a relative term. When you need an airplane,

any airplane you have is up to date. Right now I think we do need

airplanes. I would like to restate that we would like to train in more

modern equipment, but this is certainly a problem that the active

forces themselves have. Specifically, no; we are not in the most modern equipment. We certainly do need more modern equipment. I cer-
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tainly realize the limitations placed on it. Historically we get our

equipment as a result of fallout from the active establishment, either

through excess in numbers or change in use of the equipment, but the

important think for us is that we always have a vehicle which is less

than obsolescent that we can train and maintain skills in as a potential

for the active establishment.

Senator BREWSTER. Thank you, sir. No further questions.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you, Senator.

Are there any other questions?

Senator STENNIS. General, is there anything else you wish to say?

General MARCHBANKS. No, sir; except that it has been very pleasant

being here.

Senator STENNIS. It has been very pleasant for us. We certainly wish

you well in your undertakings. We want to hear from you from time

to time and to know how things are working out.

General MARCHBANKS. res, sir.

Senator STENNIS. We will now go into executive session.

(Whereupon, at 10:35 a.m. the committee went into executive

session.)

(The nomination of General Marchbanks to be chief of Air Force

Reserve, and major general in the Air Force Reserve, was subsequently

approved by the committee in executive session, an confirmed by the

Senate on February 16, 1968.)

NOMINATIONS OF BARRY JAMES SHILLITO TO BE AN

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY; WILLIAM K.

BREHAI TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE

ARMY; RANDOLPH S. DRIVER TO BE AN ASSISTANT

SECRETARY OF THE NAVY; AND J. WILLIAM DOOLITTLE TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE

AIR FORCE

THURSDAY, APRIL 4, 1968

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington,D.C.

The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room 212,

Old Senate Office Building.

Present: Senators Russel (presiding) , Stennis, Symington, Cannon,

Byrd of Virginia, Smith, Thurmond, and Pearson.

Also present: William H. Darden, chief of staff, T. Edward Braswell, Jr., and Gordon A. Nease, professional staff members Charles B.

Kirbow, chief clerk and Herbert S. Atkinson, assistant clerk.

Chairman RUSSELL. ,Four nominations to fill civilian statutory

offices in the Department of Defense are pending before the committee.

The first of these is that of Mr. Barry James Shillito of Ohio to be

an Assistant Secretary of the Navy vice Mr. Bannerman who has resigned.

The other thtee involve nominees to three new positions created

under legislation considered by the committee in the last session.

These are Assistant Secretaries of the military departments for

Manpower and Reserve Affairs.

Mr. William K. Brehm, of Michigan, is nominated to be Assistant

Secretary of the Army.

Mr. Randolph S. Driver, of Pennsylvania, has been nominated to be

Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

And Mr. J. William Doolittle, of Illinois, has been nominated to be

an Assistant Secretary of the Air Force.

NOMINATION OF BARRY JAMES SHILLITO TO BE AN ASSISTANT

SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (INSTALLATIONS AND LOGISTICS)

Chairman RUSSELL. Mr. Shillito, we are glad to have you before the

committee and we congratulate you on your appointment.

Mr. SHILLITO. Thank you, sir.

(13)
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Chairman RUSSELL. We would like to have you give us a brief summary of your biography and a statement on whether you own any

securities in companies doing business with the Department of Defense.

(The nomination reference and report, andthe biographical data

follow:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

March 26, 1968.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on

Armed Services:

Barry James Shillito, of Ohio, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Navy vice

Graeme C. Bannerman, resigned.

BARRY JAMES SHILLITO

Born: Dayton, Ohio, January 1, 1921; son of Lucian W. and Mary Ellen

(O'Connor) Shillito.

Marital status: Married Eileen Elizabeth Cottman, December 2, 1942. Children—Barry L., Elaine A., Daniel G., James K., Colleen A.

Military service: Army Air Corps fighter and bomber pilot 1942-1945. German

POW. Decorated Purple Heart.

Education: B.S., University of Dayton, 1949. Executive Management Course,

UCLA, 1957-1958.

Employment since 1949: Supervisory Contract Specialist, Procurement Division, USAF Headquarters Air Materiel Command, Wright-Patterson Air Force

Base, Ohio, 1949-1954. Director of Materiel, Hughes Aircraft Company, Culver

City, California, 1954-1958; Director of Sales, 1958-1959. Executive Vice President, Houston Fearless Corporation, Los Angeles, 1959-1960; President 1960-

1962. President, Logistics Management Institute, Washington, D.C. 1962-.

Organizations: Member Armed Forces Management Association; Young President's Organization; Society of Logistic Engineers; Alumini Association, University of Dayton and UCLA; Advisory Board of National Contract Management

Association; Advisory Board, Small Business Administration; American Legion; Knights of Columbus; Kenwood Country Club, Washington, D.C. ; Moraine Country Club, Dayton, Ohio.

Address: 5004 Baltan Road, Sumner, Maryland 20016.

STATEMENT OF BARRY JAMES SHILLITO, TO BE AN ASSISTANT

SECRETARY OF THE NAVY VICE GRAEME C. BANNERMAN, RESIGNED

Mr. SHILLITO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It is an honor to be with you this morning.

My name is Barry Shillito. I was born in Dayton, Ohio, in January 1921.

I attended schools in Dayton, Ohio, up through the University of

Dayton, and the beginning of World War II. My educational career

was interrupted as a result of my enlisting in the service in World

War II. I went through the Army Air Force and became an Army

pilot during World War II. I went back to school after the war.

Concurrently with going back to school I was general manager of

the Harris-Lincoln Supply Co., in Dayton, Ohio. This was primarily

a production, welding, sales, and installation organization.

I completed my undergraduate work in 1949.
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In 1949 I also went to work at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,

became a contracting officer and section chief and chairman of the

interceptor and fighter fire control systems phasing group, which is an

operation somewhat comparable to our program management concept

today. This operation was responsible for the acquisition and support

of fire control systems for the Air Force.

In 1954 I went to Hughes Aircraft Co., became corporate director

of materiel for Hughes, and director of administration for Hughes.

In 1958 I became director of marketing for Hughes Aircraft Co.,

and completed the advanced management program in UCLA also in

1958.

In 1959 I became executive vice president and shortly thereafter

president of the Houston Fearless Corp. and had been in that capacity

prior to joining the Logistics Management Institute in 1962. I have

been president of the Logistics Management Institute since 1962. LMI

is a factfinding research, study organization, primarily economics,

mathematics, and industrial engineering oriented. We have been doing

work for the Department of Defense since late 1961.

I live in Sumner, Md., with my wife of 25 years, and five children.

As far as securities, I gave the committee a statement of my holdings,

and listed five securities, and have made arrangements with counsel as

regards one of these securities. I plan to obtain release of an investment

letter that I have with regard to this one security, even though the

company involved does not presently do business with the Department

of Defense. Indications are that they may be doing business with the

Department of Defense in the not too distant future. I am making

arrangements therefore to obtain a release on this investment.

Chairman RUSSELL. Your background experience would seem to fit

you admirably for this position, Mr. Shillito.

Have you any fixed limitation on your service here? Do you plan to

stay here 1 year, 2 years?

Mr. SHILLITO. No, sir; I don't. If confirmed, I will be severing my

relations with LMI, both as its president and as a member of its board

of directors.

Chairman RUSSELL. Thank you very much, Mr. Shillito.

Mr. SHILLITO. Thank you very much., sir.

(The nomination of Mr. Shillito to be an Assistant Secretary of the

Navy was subsequently approved by the committee in executive session

and confirmed by the Senate on April 8, 1968.)

NOMINATION OF WILLIAM K. BREHM, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE ARMY (MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS)

Chairman RUSSELL. The next nominee is Mr. William K. Brehm of

Michigan, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Army.

Please give us a brief biography and an indication of whether you

have any securities in companies doing Defense business.
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(The nomination reference and report and the biographical data follow:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

March 26, 1968.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on

Armed Services:

William K. Brehm, of Michigan, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Army.

WILLIAM KEITH BREHM

Present position: Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (Land Forces Programs)

Home address: 8957 Colesbury Place, Fairfax, Virginia 22030

Born: Dearborn, Michigan, March 29, 1929

Martial status: Married to Delores Soderquist. Two children: Eric, born January 11, 1957; Lisa, born August 13, 1959

Education: B.S., 1950, university of Michigan, with honors; M.S., 1952, University of Michigan

Positions held:

Oct 1950—Apr 1952: Research Associate, Engineering Research Institute,

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Apr 1952—Jan 1958: Design Specialist, Engineering Department, Convair,

San Diego, California

Jan 1958—Dec 1959: Chief of Operations Analysis, Convair (Astronautics),

San Diego, California

Dec 1959—Sep 1961: Executive Staff Assistant to the Vice President (Planning), Convair Division, General Dynamics Corporation, San Diego, California

Sep 1961—Aug 1962: Director, Advanced Product Planning, General Dynamics/Astronautics, San Diego, California

Aug 1962—Oct 1964: Corporate Director, Development Planning, North

American Aviation, Inc., El Segundo, California

Oct 1964—Oct 1967: Director, Land Forces Division, Office of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (General Purpose Programs), Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense ( systems Analysis)

Oct 1967—to date: Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (Land Forces

Programs), Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense ( Systems Analysis)

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM K. BREHM, TO BE AN ASSISTANT

• SECRETARY OF THE ARMY

Mr. BREHM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I was born in Michigan in 1929.

I was educated in that State, attending the University of Michigan,

from which I received a master's degree in mathematics in 1952.

During my graduate work, I held a full-time position with the engineering research institute of the university, during which time I

worked on operations analysis studies in support of a subcontract to

the Boeing Co. on the Bomarc missile program.

Following my graduation in 1952 Mrs. Brehm and I were married

and moved to San Diego, Calif., where I accepted a position with the

Consolidated Vultee Aircraft Corp. For the next 5 years I worked in

the field of operations analysis on such programs as the F-102 manned

interceptor and the Atlas ICBM.

In 1957 I was asked to become chief of operations analysis at the

newly formed Astronautics Division of Convair, and during that time

I organized a group of operations analysts. There my work was de-
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voted primarily to studying the effectiveness of the Atlas ICBM and

its basing concepts.

In 1959 I was asked to become assistant to the vice president of

planning for Convair in the Convair general offices in San Diego, and

there I continued to work in the general operations analysis field, expanded in scope to include the broader planning problems of the

corporation.

In 1962 I accepted a position at North American Aviation as corporate director of development planning. About a year after that I

received a call from Dr. Alain Enthoven, head of Systems Analysis in

the Office of the Secretary of Defense, who invited me to come to

Washington. Then after 8 or 9 months of soul searching I decided to

leave industry and to join the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Dr.

Enthoven asked me to organize a land forces team for analysis of

Army and Marine Corps programs, which I did, and 3 years later,

last October, I was promoted to Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Land Forces.

Two topics on which I have worked in the last 3 years I think might

be of interest in regard to this nomination.

I worked very 'closely t with the Army to develop a system for displaying and reviewing manpower requirements. Manpower programing has become a very complex and difficult task as a result of our support of the war in Southeast Asia. I think we have made a great deal

of progress, although we have a long way to go in that regard.

The other task on which I worked closely with the Army was the

broad force structure program for the reorganization of the Reserves.

My task there, in working with the Army, was to try to see that we

did in fact have the one-Army concept, in which the divisions in the

Reserves had their full measure of support in the way of support

forces, and that the Reserves also had the support forces necessary to

round out the Active Army.

During the past 31/2 years I have developed a very deep respect for

the Army. I am looking forward very much to this opportunity of

working even more closely with them.

I filed a statement concerning my outside interests. I have no stockholdings or other affiliations which in any way could cause a conflict

in interest. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman RUSnLL. Mr. Brehm has filed a letter with the committee. It indicates that he has cleared himself of any conflict of interest

in fiscal holdings with the attorney for the Department of Defense

and there is no conflict whatever in that respect.

Your principal connections with the Reserve organizations have been

in the last two positions you have held?

Mr. BREHM. Yes, that is true.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Stennis,

Senator STENNIS. Mr. Chairman, I did want to ask this gentleman

a few questions, and I will be as brief as I can.

Of course, you are familiar with the terms of H.R. 2. the law passed

last year, with reference to Reserves.

Mr. BREHM. Yes, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. We in Congress feel we have had a rather hard

time getting the Reserves recognized, getting them a place in the

sun, and their program considered. The other view may be that some
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of the Reserve units themselves, have been wanting. But Congress as

a whole is very much concerned and proceeded on this course to get

something done about it.

We were talking here yesterday about the mounting cost of weapons.

One submarine costs $90 million and another type discussed costs $180

million. This shows the mounting climb in weaponry. I think all of

those things have to do with the Reserves and reliance on the Reserves.

On the matter of equipment and supplies there have been some

mighty strong promises made about getting this equipment. Right

now there is some discussion about, callups. The President has made

the announcement, and some of those units are woefully short in

supplies and equipment.

What is your attitude about those matters? I am not wanting to be

personal but why did you agree to accept this position.

Mr. BREHM. Senator, first of all I feel that the Reserves have a

very clear place in the one-Army concept, and in fact I believe that,

the work that I have done jointly with the Army makes that extremely clear

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in showing their force structure and their relationship,

to the active forces. I can assure you that one of my principal tasks,

both because it is law and because I firmly believe that it should be

done, is to see that the Reserves get the equipment they require, have

the proper training programs, and have realistic readiness objectives.

Senator STENNIS. Will you pursue that course with vigor?

Mr. BREHM. I certainly will, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. Just a few years ago the proposal was to wipe

out the Army Reserve, abolish it. The Congress, though, took the

other view and set up this law, and your position here is one of the

results.

Mr. BREHM. I understand, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. You expect, then, to pursue with vigor and

determination the idea of quality Army Reserves, fully equipped and

supplied, and recognition in the Pentagon, is that right?

Mr. BREHM. That is certainly correct, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. I don't want to prolong this, but if you have

made up your mind on that, you will be the man we are looking for

as I see it: You feel free to advise with the Congress? I know you

have superiors in the Pentagon, but you feel free to promptly and

fully answer all questions thta may be submitted to you in your field

of responsibility?

Mr. BREHM. Absolutely.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Thurmond.

Senator THURMOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to congratulate you on your appointment. I hope you enjoy

your work.

I was interested in the same line of questioning as Senator Stennis.

I have also conceived the Reserve as being a vital part of our national

defense program. The cost of the Reserve is only about one-seventh,

probably, as much as the regular soldier, but they train on weekends

or monthly, and with proper guidance and leadership, with proper

equipment in my judgment they can be combat ready.

Is it your conception that the Reserves should be combat ready?

We live in a fast age now. We don't have time to wait. If an emergency

breaks out, the Reserves should be ready to move. Is it your thinking
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that is the kind of Reserve you want, or is it the kind of Reserve we

have had in the past that is not combat ready. There has been criticism

against the Reserve because some people haven't understood that the

Pentagon has not provided that.

I would like to see this alleviated, because I feel there is a definite

role for the Reserve, and I feel it is absolutely essential. We can't maintain on active duty the size forces we need to protect this country. It

would cost so much this Nation couldn't stand it. But we can do it with

a Reserve, which is so much less costly. That type of Reserve is not serving its best purpose or its true function, unless it is ready to go, unless

they are ready to fight, unless they are ready to perform their duties,

and unless they are ready to step into the picture when they are needed.

Now, is it going to be your purpose to see that they are ready to step

into the picture when they are needed?

Mr. BREHM. Senator Thurmond, my views on the objectives for the

Reserves coincide exactly with yours. I am pleased to say that and I

sincerely believe it.

Senator THURMOND. And you intend to see, then, that they will have

the right leadership, that they will have the proper training, and

that they will have the proper equipment, and they will be considered

just as important in their role as the regular establishment is in its

role. Is that right?

Mr. BREHM. Yes, Senator.

Senator THURMOND. That is all. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Byrd.

Senator BYRD of Virginia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator Stennis' questions satisfied me and I have no further questions. I do want to congratulate the nominee.

Mr. BREHM. Thank you, Senator Byrd.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Smith, do you have any questions?

Senator SMITH. I have no questions. Thank you.

Chairman RUSSELL. Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary.

Mr. BREHM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

(The nomination of Mr. Brehm to be an Assistant Secretary of the

Army was subsequently approved by the committee in executive session and confirmed by the Senate on April 8, 1968.)

NOMINATION OF RANDOLPH S. DRIVER TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS)

Chairman RUSSELL. Mr. Driver is the next nominee. We are glad to

have you here, Mr. Driver.

We congratulate you on your appointment.

You may proceed with a sketch of your qualifications.

(The nommation reference and report, and the biographical data

follow:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

March 26, 1968.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on Armed

Services:

Randolph S. Driver, of Pennsylvania, to be an Assistant Secretary of the

Navy.
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RANDOLPH SCARBOROUGH DRIVER

Present position: Deputy Under Secretary of the Navy (Manpower)

Washington address: 3408 0 Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20007

Born: Ridley Park, Pennsylvania, May 5, 1911

Marital status: Married to Cynthia Milward-Oliver. One daughter: Susan

(Mrs. Frederick S. Crysler) , born July 24, 1941

Education: B.A. 1932, University of Pennsylvania; M.A. 1933, University of

Pennsylvania

Positions held:

1933-1937: Faculty Member, University of Pennsylvania and Swarthmore

College

1937-1965: Various positions with Atlantic Richfield Company, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; rose from Personnel Assistant to Manager of Personnel

Administration to Director of Training

1965-August 16, 1967: Manager of Industrial Relations, Atlantic Richfield

Company, Philadelphia, Penna.

August 16, 1967 to date: Deputy Under Secretary of the Navy (Manpower)

1941-1945: Consultant to the Training within Industry Division, War

Manpower Commission

1960 and 1966: Employer Delegate to the International Labour Organization

Organizations: Member, Chamber of Commerce of Greater Philadelphia; Member, National Industrial Conference Board; Member, American Management Association; Member, Industrial Relations Association of Philadelphia; Member,

Industrial Relations Research Association; Member, American Petroleum Institute; and Member, American Psychological Association.

Legal and Voting Residence: 211 Ladbroke Road, Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania

STATEMENT OF RANDOLPH S. DRIVER, NOMINEE TO BE AN

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY

Mr. DRIVER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Briefly, my background is this. I was born in a suburb of Philadelphia. I have lived in the Philadelphia area all my life. I attended

schools in the Philadelphia area, and the University of Pennsylvania,

from which I graduated in 1932, and from which I received a master's

degree in 1933. I taught there and took additional graduate work until

1937.

In 1937 I was employed by the then Atlantic Refining Co., which is

now Atlantic Richfield Co., in the industrial relations department.

This is manpower in the industrial sense. I continued my association

with that company until August of 1967.

During that time I held a succession of jobs, and finally manager of

industrial relations, which is a top job in the organization. My experience covered all phases of personnel procedure for a large corporation with worldwide holdings.

In June 1967, the then Secretary of the Navy asked if I would serve

in the position of Deputy Under Secretary for Manpower, and I was

happy to do so.

I have served in that capacity since August and am still in that

capacity for the Navy. This particular capacity, as you recognize, is

replaced by the Assistant Secretaryship which is before you now.

I have been married approximately 27 years, and I have two children. One of them is deceased.

Insofar as securities are concerned, I filed a list of securities, and

have indicated that if confirmed I would dispose of those which have

any defense contracts.
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Chairman RUSSELL. I have your letter here which covers that.

In the discharge of your duties as Deputy Under Secretary for Manpower of the Department of the Navy for the last few years I assume

you have become familiar with the organization of the Naval Reserve

forces throughout the country.

Mr. DRIVER. Yes, sir. I have been with the Navy since August of

1967, but I have taken a substantial interest in the Reserves, trying

to learn as much as I possibly could in the time that I have been there

about the Reserves and their problems.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Smith.

Senator SMITH. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Stennis.

Senator STENNIS. Mr. Chairman, I would just say to the gentleman

you heard the questions that I asked a minute ago with reference to

the Army Reserve.

Mr. DRIVER. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Do you agree with the substance and sentiment of

his answers that he gave to those questions as to the general

propositions?

Mr. DRIVER. Yes, sir. I am very proud of the Marine Reserves. In

addition to your questions, I am proud of their state of readiness. I

think it is a very fine operation.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you very much, sir. That is all I have.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Symington?

Senator SYMINGTON. No questions, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Byrd.

Senator BYRD, Jr. of Virginia. No questions, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman RUSSELL. Thank you very much, Mr. Driver. We are glad

to have you here.

Mr. DRIVER. Thank you.

(The nomination of Mr. Driver to be an Assistant Secretary of the

Navy was subsequently approved by the committee in executive session

and confirmed by the Senate on April 8, 1968.)

NOMINATION OF J. WILLIAM DOOLITTLE TO BE AN ASSISTANT

SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE (MANPOWER AND RESERVE

AFFAIRS)

Chairman RUSSELL. The last nominee is J. William Doolittle of Illinois. He is to be Assistant Secretary for Manpower and Reserve Affairs in the Air Force.

We are glad to have you here this morning, Mr. Doolittle. We will

be glad to hear something about your past experience.

(The nomination reference and report, and the biographical data

follow:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

March 26, 1968.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on Armed

Services:

J. William Doolittle, of Illinois, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Air Force.
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J. WILLIAM DOOLITTLE

Present position: General Counsel, Department of the Air Force.

Home address: 4238 50th Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20016.

Born: Wheaton, Illinois, May 19,1929.

Married: Annette D. Bush, 1962. Two children: Danforth B., born February 19,

1965, and Alice W., born February 23,1967.

Education: B.A., 1951, DePauw University (Phi Beta Kappa) ; LL.B., 1954,

Harvard Law School (magna cum laude).

Military service:

Private, U.S. Army, 1954-1955.

1st Lieutenant (Judge Advocate General Corps) , U.S. Army, 1955-1957).

U.S. Army Reserve (inactive) 1957-1962.

Positions held:

1957-1958 Law clerk to Justice Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court of the

United States.

1958-1961 Associated with law firm of Covington and Burling, Washington,

D.C.

1961-1963 Assistant to the Solicitor General, U.S. Department of Justice.

1963-1966 First Assistant to the Assistant Attorney General, Civil Division, 1963-1966 (Acting Assistant Attorney General, Civil Division, Sept.-

Nov. 1966).

1966-date General Counsel, Department of Air Force.

STATEMENT OF J. WILLIAM DOOLITTLE, NOMINEE TO BE AN

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE

Mr. DOOLITTLE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am proud to have this opportunity to appear before the committee.

I was born in Illinois in 1929, and was raised there.

I attended DePauw University in Indiana and then the Harvard

Law School.

After that I served 3 years in the Army, first as an enlisted man

for a year and then as a Reserve officer on active duty for 2 years.

Thereafter I served as law clerk for Mr. Justice Frankfurter for

a year, and then engaged in private practice of law here in Washington

for 3 years.

In 1961 I entered Government service in the Department of Justice,

serving for 2 years as assistant to the Solicitor General, and then as

first assistant in the Civil Division of the Department of Justice.

In late 1966 I came over to the Air Force as General Counsel and

have served in that capacity ever since.

I am married to the former Annette Bush and have two children.

I have filed a letter with the committee advising that I have one

small holding in a corporation doing business with the Department

of Defense, and if confirmed, I will dispose of that.

Chairman RUSSELL. You have a very fine legal background, Mr.

Doolittle, but have you had any experience in any way with the

Reserve components of the Air Force?

Mr. DoorATTLE. I served in the year and a half that I have been

general counsel of the Department of the Air Force as the legal adviser to the Deputy Under Secretary for Manpower, and in that connection I have had frequent occasion to become involved in the affairs

and problems of both the Active and Reserve Forces. I was also quite

active in working with that office and the other offices in the Air Force

in their working with the Congress in the development of H.R. 2,

which became, of course, Public Law 90-168, and since the passage of
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the act I have been active in assisting the Air Force to comply with

the terms of the statute.

Chairman RUSSELL. You believe in a strong Air Force Reserve?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I believe in that very strongly, sir.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Smith.

Senator SMITH. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Doolittle, in early 1965 Secretary McNamara issued a directive

to bar Senators, Members of Congress and key Government employees

from being in the Active Reserve and from being eligible for promotion, pay, and earning of retirement points. Subsequently there was a

modification of that for a selected and favored few who were given

exemptions from the ban on promotion and earning of retirement

points. What are your views on this?

Mr. DOOLITI'LE. Well, Senator Smith, I have not had occasion to

study the matter very carefully. I would suppose that these individuals would be in a position to perform very effective service if

they should be mobilized, but I am afraid that beyond that I am

really not in a position to express any more detailed views.

Senator SMITH. You will give it some attention?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I will do that, Senator.

Senator SMITH. There are now nine special exempted Air Force

Reservists made eligible for promotion to brigadier general and

major general, specially exempted from the McNamara directive. Do

you think it is right to give such exemptions and favoritism?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I think I had better leave my response as I did with

the last one, Senator. I will look into it.

Senator SMITH. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And let me

know.

Mr. DoomrrLE. Yes, senator.

Chairman RUSSELL. You have no familiarity, no intimate familiarity with it?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I am generally aware of the problem but I have no

intimate familiarity with it.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Stennis?

Senator STENNIS. Mr. Doolittle, without repeating the questions I

asked the other gentlemen, you heard the questions that I asked them?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I did, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. You are in sympathy with the spirit of their

answers?

Mr. Doom-rm. I am in sympathy with the sentiment that you expressed in the questioning and with the answers given, Senator

Stennis.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you. One other thing. Your title will be

Manpower and Reserves, and I am not deemphasizing the manpower

and I don't want to deemphasize the Reserves.

The original proposal was that there be an Assistant Secretary for

the Reserves, and the Senate committee here decided, before increasing it by a great number, that we could combine the two, with the

distinct understanding that that was in no way downgrading the

proposal that there be an Assistant Secretary for 'Reserves. I bring

that to your attention as a part of the background of this legislation,

H.R. 2. And even though you have this dual role, in a way it is dual,
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you understand that the Reserve is a major part of your obligations

and your duties, is that correct?

Mr. Doourrix. I certainly do, Senator Stennis. The Senate's, indeed the entire Congress's intentions in this regard are clearly understood in the Air Force.

Senator STENNIS. Yes.

Mr. DOOLITTLE. And I think it quite fair to say that the Air Force

and I in particular are in full sympathy with that view.

Senator STENNIS. That is fine. I like your responses very much.

In other words, you think we do need to emphasize the quality, the

strength of the Air Force Reserves.

Mr. DOOLITTLE. There is no question in my mind, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. That carries the idea of them having the supplies,

the equipment and the tools to do the job, is that correct?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. That is certainly correct, Senator.

Senator STENNIS. And you want to be a part of that new program

and push it with vigor, is that correct?

Mr. DoolaTrix. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. That is fine. Thank you very much.

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Cannon.

Senator CANNON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Doolittle, getting back to Senator Smith's question

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do I take

it that you would review this matter independently and not be bound

by any preconceived ideas of your successors in office or any previous

Secretary of Defense?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I will certainly do that, Senator.

Senator CANNON. And you would let this committee have the benefit

of your views independently and irrespectively of what previously

the policy may have been in that regard?

Mr. DOOLITTLE. I will certainly give the committee my views.

Senator CANNON. And there is also an additional problem there

that is involved, and that is whether or not a member of Congress

should have the:right to determine for himself, if he certifies that he

is available in .a Reserve category, as to whether or not he would be

able to remain in a Ready Reserve position, rather than have someone

else make that determination for him. Do you believe that the member himself should have the right to make that determination?

Mr. DoolarrLE. Senator Cannon, on this point, too, I am really not

in a position to give you a well thought out answer.

Senator CANNON. Would you check that phase as well as the question raised by Senator Smith and report back to this committee as

soon as you have the opportunity to review it?

Mr. DooLITTLE. I will do so.

Senator CANNON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

(NOTE.—At the time these hearings went to press the information

requested by Senators Smith and Cannon had not been received. Upon

receipt it will be made a part of the committee files.)

Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Pearson.

Senator PEARSON. Mr. Chairman, I don't think I have any questions. I think Mr. Doolittle appears very well qualified and I certainly

wish him well in his service.

Mr. DOOLITTLE. Thank you, Senator.

Senator Byrd.
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Senator BYRD of Virginia. No questions.

Chairman RUSSELL. Thank you, Mr. Doolittle.

Mr. DOOLITTLE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman RUSSELL. The committee will now go into executive session.

(Whereupon, at 10:35 a.m. the committee went into executive

session.)

(The nomination of Mr. Doolittle to be an Assistant Secretary of

the Air Force was subsequently approved by the Committee in executive session and confirmed by the Senate on April 8, 1968.)

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