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 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

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 GRAIN INSPECTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING

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 THURSDAY

 MAY 13, 2021

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 The Committee Meeting met via

Video/teleconference at 11:00 a.m. EDT, Matthew

Kerrigan, GIAC Vice-Chair, presiding. 

PRESENT: 

DAVID AYERS, Champaign Danville Grain Inspection,

Inc. 

RANDALL BURNS, Arkansas Bureau of Standards

JANICE COOPER, Wheat Marketing Center

CURTIS ENGEL, The Scoular Company

NICHOLAS FRIANT, Cargill Inc.

MATTHEW KERRIGAN, EGT, LLC

RYAN KUHL, Northern Plains Grain Inspection

Service 

JOHN LINDGREN, United Grain Corporation

ROBERT SINNER, SB&B Foods, Inc.

ERROL BRENT TURNIPSEED, South Dakota State

University Seed Testing Lab

MARK WATNE, Jamestown ND 

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ALSO PRESENT: 

LEE CAPPER, FGIS Chief Innovation Officer

ANTHONY GOODEMAN, Director, FGIS Field Management

Division 

EDWARD JHEE, Director, FGIS Technology and

Science Division 

KENDRA KLINE, FGIS Chief of Staff and the

Advisory Committee Specialist

JESS MCCLUER, NGFA Vice President of Safety and

Regulatory Affairs

ARTHUR NEAL, FGIS Deputy Administrator, DFO

DENISE RUGGLES, FGIS Executive Program Analyst

BRUCE SUMMERS, AMS Administrator

PAT MCCLUSKEY, Branch Chief, FGIS Policy,

Procedures, and Marketing Analysis Branch

BARRY GOMOLL, FGIS Grain Marketing Specialist 

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 CONTENTS 

Call to Order and Welcome. . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 

FGIS FDA MOU Discussion 

Anthony Goodeman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 

Public Comments. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .38 

Discuss Recommendations. . . . . . . . . . . . . .39 

Lunch. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .50 

Discuss Recommendations. . . . . . . . . . . . . .50 

Break. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .83 

Officer Elections. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .94 

Discuss Agenda Items for Next Meeting. . . . . . 103 

Closing Remarks 

Matthew Kerrigan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 

Arthur Neal. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 115 

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P R O C E E D I N G S

 (11:02 a.m.)

 MR. KERRIGAN: Good morning, everybody, 

again. I'm showing 8:02. Arthur, Kendra, how 

are we doing for a quorum this morning?

 MS. KLINE: I can count ten for sure. 

So we have a quorum.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. 

MS. KLINE: So we can at least 

continue.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Perfect. That's all 

we're looking for, right? So just want to start 

off again by saying thank you to FGIS, all the 

staff time, the GIAC members -- I know we are all 

in no shortage of things to do, by any means --

and obviously, those of you that have a vested 

interest in this, who are silently and quietly 

behind your black screens, watching this meeting 

take place.

 So with that, we have a quorum. I'll 

call this day-two meeting to order. I'm assuming 

that everybody still has the agenda. For the 

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most part, today is going to be the FGIS FDA MOU 

discussion. So public comments and then 

recommendations before we get into next-meeting 

elections, and, again, agenda topics.

 Yes, always want to make sure that we 

recap. If anybody has any pressing questions 

regarding day one, that we'd like to get out in 

the open? Okay. Arthur, do you have any opening 

comments on day two, before we run into the MOU 

discussion?

 MR. MCNEAL: Opening comments: I 

thought yesterday we had some pretty good 

discussions, so I look forward to today's 

continuation of what we started yesterday. And 

I'm sure what Tony's going to bring to the table 

will add to that. So looking forward to another 

good day.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Don't get your hopes 

too high up here.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. With that, Tony, 

the show is yours.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Oh, great. I used up 

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all my energy yesterday talking about regulatory 

policies. It's going to be a tough act to 

follow, with FDA first in the morning here.

 Okay. So good morning, everybody. 

Can everybody hear me okay? Kind of sorry to hear 

that. Okay. Here we go. So it was a 

recommendation from the committee, to look at the 

MOU with the Food and Drug Administration. Just 

as background, I'll read a couple notes just for 

clarity about our MOU.

 The MOU with the Food and Drug 

Administration was initially established in 1980. 

It's been in place for a long time. The basic 

premise of this agreement, since all of FGIS and 

our official agencies are out in the field, 

seeing these products that FDA has some 

regulatory authority over, is that we will report 

certain things that we see, to FDA; we call these 

actionable lots. Those are defined by FDA 

regulations and they're outlined in our MOU with 

FDA.

 Once FGIS reports an actionable lot to 

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the Food and Drug Administration, FDA takes over. 

FGIS can assist, we can witness grain transfers, 

we can seal bins, things of that nature, but we 

don't mandate nor approve any mitigation plans. 

Some examples of our really common actionable 

items include insect-damaged kernels in wheat. 

Like, if it goes over a threshold -- think it's 

33 in 100 grams, 33 insect-damaged kernels in 100 

grams of wheat -- that's actionable. Insects in 

milled rice, whether they're alive or dead, are 

actionable to FDA. Animal filth or animal 

excreta in grain is actionable. Anything that is 

called distinctly low quality.

 Basically, anytime we have a really 

strange situation -- these are very rare. Like, 

we've had hydraulic fluid accidentally get 

spilled on grain, or somehow fuel gets spilled on 

grain. Potentially, flood-damaged grain. Really 

strange things. If we find an animal carcass or 

something in grain.

 Kind of the wild card for FGIS, for 

our inspectors, is something that's totally 

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unusual and not really defined in the standards; 

we call that grain distinctly low quality, DLQ. 

Anything in that category is reported to FDA. 

That also includes deer droppings. We say, if we 

find deer droppings, we consider that to be a 

large-animal filth, and it's reportable to FDA. 

We've seen that in recent years.

 The last two that I'll mention just as 

common actionable lots are commercially 

objectionable foreign odors. Anytime we find an 

odor, in grain, that's not common to grain, we 

report that. This could be some kind of a 

masking agent. This could be grain was 

contaminated in some way. And then aflatoxin: 

over 20 parts per billion is reportable.

 So the committee asked us to look at 

our MOU and our directive because, in some of the 

discussion, some of the references were outdated. 

We agree with that assessment. In these past 

couple of years, we've worked very closely with 

FDA. We've also determined that it's not in our 

best interest to update the MOU. The MOU 

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framework is still valid. We are updating our 

directive. And so we've worked alongside FDA to 

make updates to our directive, and we anticipate 

-- you know, those changes are becoming ready for 

publication.

 The biggest thing, though, that I 

think the committee was looking for when we 

talked with industry is more pre-approved 

mitigation plans, because sometimes as we notify 

FDA, there can be delays in how quickly FDA 

responds. Some of those are very meritus, 

because they need to evaluate, you know, the 

risks and the human health concerns. Others are 

just because they may not see violations very 

regularly and just need to get up to speed. And 

just the availability; they may not have staff 

available on a weekend, for example, when 

something like this comes up at midnight, you 

know, Friday night, Saturday morning, and the 

elevator's got some kind of a carrier tied up, be 

it a shipping bin or railcar. They want to know 

what they can do with that. The industry seems 

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like they're very interested in these 

pre-approved plans.

 And so what FDA informed us is that 

they typically work with industries to develop 

those plans and to receive those ideas. From the 

FGIS side, we're very willing to help carry that 

and help relay the significance to FDA and then 

do whatever we can, once they're approved, to 

help shepherd that process. So if FDA does have 

some kind of recognized pre-approved plan, we 

will then help carry out whatever that is, 

because it's in the interest of everyone to get 

that handled smoothly and not have anything bad 

in the food chain there.

 So I think that's the primary update 

that I wanted to give. I'm sorry that I'm not 

going to drone on for 30 minutes on the FDA MOU. 

But I do want to get feedback from you; I think 

it's really important. Like, the biggest thing I 

think that this committee or the industry could 

provide is what are the incidences that are most 

critical that we should look at; and then, on top 

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of that, what would the pre-approved-plan 

proposals be -- it's a lot of Ps, pre-approved 

plan proposals -- that we'd like to send to FDA 

for consideration. So would that be -- and I 

mentioned a lot of things there. Would it be 

deer droppings? And if it is, what would be the 

proposed plan to mitigate that situation?

 The same for insects and rice perhaps, 

IDK in wheat, because a lot of times we hear from 

companies that they end up -- there might be some 

time for approval, but they end up approving 

similar things in similar situations, whether 

that be a reconditioning in some way, whether 

that be, you know -- in the rare case, we have to 

take it to a landfill or destroy the product. It 

ends up being similar in these varied situations.

 So I'm going to look to Arthur to make 

sure that I covered everything, and see if 

there's anything else we want to touch on. But 

we're really looking for feedback from you-all, 

as to where we can best direct these efforts and 

what would be those top situations and, you know, 

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reconditioning options we'd like to run with.

 MR. NEAL Yes, thanks, Tony. I think 

you've covered everything. The purpose of 

bringing this back to the committee is we're 

really going to need the committee's thoughts and 

support in getting input from industry on what 

Tony just ended with, on reconditioning methods 

or strategies to help us try to speed up an 

approval process by FDA so that customers aren't 

waiting, you know, weeks at a time for a 

response.

 With all of the things going on in the 

country, the more work we can take off of some of 

these agencies in trying to figure out, you know, 

what's appropriate, what's sufficient, what's 

good enough, I think it'll help us in the long 

run. Not only that; we're believing that if we 

can come to them with these -- I'm calling them 

pre-approved; we're seeking their pre-approval --

with these pre-approval options, that it'll also 

help the approval process, in terms of getting a 

document, where we can get blessed by FDA and we 

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can begin using out in the field.

 FGIS will not be able to come up with 

those options, because FDA has conveyed to us 

they need to hear from the industry. They can 

hear from us, that's fine, but the weight comes 

from the industry, not from FGIS. And so that's 

why we're coming back to the Grain Inspection 

Advisory Committee, as you-all have connections 

to all of the stakeholders and represent the 

voice of the stakeholders. Doesn't mean that 

your recommendation alone should be the end-all, 

be-all, but we do believe that it will help as we 

try to stress the significance and importance of 

this issue and the need for attention.

 MR. KERRIGAN: So if I can ask you to 

clarify maybe one comment with that, Arthur, that 

you had mentioned there regarding that the 

recommendations, you know, need to come from 

industry. What does that look like, I guess, 

from the GIAC? Or does that mean, you know, that 

we should work with our parent -- our individual 

companies that are dealing with this, the trade 

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groups? Or can there be, you know, some document 

that actually comes out of the GIAC, that you 

guys can use in -- or make sure that I understand 

kind of the process with the GIAC and what we are 

able to provide out there that's actually of use, 

I guess?

 MR. NEAL Yes. Great question. No, 

it can look a lot of different ways. One, Matt, 

individual companies can send in information to 

us, FGIS. Individual companies can respond also 

to the GIAC or through members of the GIAC, with 

ideas that help serve as these remedial plans for 

these lots that have been identified.

 The GIAC could present a document that 

summarizes some of those options to FGIS for 

consideration; that way, it could represent a 

collective body of work. The GIAC could also, 

amongst yourself, take up some of that work if 

they feel that there's enough members or, like, 

there's enough knowledge around the issues, and 

you can create a recommendation around that 

internally through subcommittees. Or 

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subcommittees could do some work and then present 

that body of work to the overall GIAC to 

consider, and then make that a recommendation.

 You know, and there are probably other 

ways that it could look. But we're bringing it 

to you-all, you know, now because we're going to 

need help getting an organized body of solutions 

that we can present to FDA for consideration.

 MR. FRIANT: So, Arthur, this is Nick. 

Just for a point of clarification on that. Based 

on what you said, a potential action that the 

advisory committee could recommend is forming a 

task force then, right? I think you used the 

term --

MR. NEAL Subcommittee.

 MR. FRIANT: -- subcommittee or task 

force could be an approach? Okay.

 MR. NEAL Yes. Yes. It doesn't have 

to be a subcommittee. Task force is just as 

effective. And with respect to a task force, 

Nick, in this context, it could be led by a GIAC 

member or a couple of members, and it could 

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include members of the industry that are outside 

of GIAC. And they can bring that information to 

the GIAC, for consideration by the whole.

 MR. FRIANT: You must've read my mind. 

That was my next question on membership.

 MS. KLINE: Yes.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Yes, I think 

that that provides an awful lot of clarity. And 

frankly, thank you very much to Tony for digging 

into this and getting some clarity, especially 

with the FDA, because, you know, definitely while 

quite a bit of time has gone by, not to any fault 

of anybody else, just because of COVID and such, 

because it does still feel like a long time ago 

-- but that's a great step, frankly, from my 

standpoint, that they are potentially open to it 

or have seen a process, you know, for that in the 

past; that I think that the industry definitely 

can provide something.

 And then it's just kind of up to how 

we get that information. And really appreciate 

you guys being willing to liaise, you know, not 

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only on presenting this information to them, on 

what you guys can and can't kind of assist with, 

I guess, with those remediation plans and 

moderating it, but then on that moderation as 

well.

 So just for the group, I want to kind 

of clarify here. Some of those typical items, 

Tony, is DLQ, IDK, deer droppings, floodwaters, 

aflatoxin above 20. Are there any other -- we 

will go out to the group to see kind of what else 

is out there, what they've seen. But is there 

anything of the heavy hitters -- those are 

definitely the ones that I know I've been a part 

of, from my experience in industry. Are there 

any others that you've seen or have heard about 

or -- whether it's Tony or anybody else on the 

GIAC or call, that we want to make sure that we 

get on that shortlist, to make sure, if we can 

come up with some form of standardized plan, that 

we address it? 

MR. FRIANT: Matt, could I ask you to 

run through that list you just rattled off, 

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again? I couldn't write quite quick enough.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes. Sorry about that. 

DLQ; that's the distinguished low quality -- or I 

don't have the D right. Sorry.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Distinctly low quality, 

yes.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Distinctly low quality. 

IDK, insect-damaged kernels. Large-animal 

droppings; typically I think it's been deer, 

which has --

MR. GOODEMAN: Deer droppings have 

been -- yes. 

MR. KERRIGAN: -- come up quite a bit. 

Grain that has been touched by floodwaters. 

Aflatoxin above 20 parts.

 MR. GOODEMAN: And then I would say --

this is not grain, but insects in milled rice has 

been a common issue too. Again, that's --

MR. SINNER: Well --

MR. GOODEMAN: -- not grain, so -- but 

I know that was an issue in the past.

 MR. SINNER: Well, I think you also 

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talked about contamination from different 

liquids, whether it's hydraulic fluid, antifreeze

 MR. GOODEMAN: Yes, those -- Yes, we 

do see that, and we also see the commercially 

objectionable foreign odors. I would not put 

those in the common category necessarily. And I 

would say, just as insight, it seems like the 

grain contaminated by those petroleum products --

it doesn't have a bright future. It does not end 

up getting reconditioned, usually or, you know --

but, like --

MR. KERRIGAN: But part of this, 

though, much like with grain that's been touched 

by floodwaters, is -- for the most part, we know 

what's going to happen with it, right --

MR. GOODEMAN: Right. Right. Right.

 MR. KERRIGAN: -- Is that, almost 

every single instance, it --

MR. GOODEMAN: Right. Right.

 MR. KERRIGAN: -- Needs to be 

quarantined and then go to a landfill or some 

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other disposal mechanism.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Right.

 MR. KERRIGAN: But if that is 

designated of what needs to happen to it, it 

allows us to at least move forward --

MR. GOODEMAN: Right. Right. Right.

 MR. KERRIGAN: -- instead of it tying 

up the bin space, the belt space, everything, 

correct?

 MR. GOODEMAN: It's a very good point. 

Yes. Yes.

 MR. SINNER: So, Tony, I mean, you say 

large-animal droppings. I mean, are we including 

rabbits, squirrels, other thing that can get onto 

grain piles? I mean --

MR. GOODEMAN: It's a great question. 

So generally speaking -- it's always funny 

talking about this. But generally speaking, we 

say that large-animal droppings -- cow, you know, 

livestock -- is generally too large to enter a 

sampling device. And so basically if we ever see 

anything that's too large to enter a sampling 

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device -- concrete in the rare -- like, you see 

weird things. When you handle as much grain as 

you-all do, you just see weird things time to 

time; pieces of belt coming off, or metal. We 

say, okay, our sample's not representative, 

because this big piece of concrete is in the 

grain, we can't sample that, this is distinctly 

low quality, you know, this is not something that 

is represented in this sample here.

 We include large-animal droppings in 

that. We draw the line at deer. Basically, deer 

and larger is -- anything smaller than that would 

not be. I hope that answers your question.

 MR. SINNER: Yes.

 MR. GOODEMAN: We would only count 

those if they ended up in our 1,000-gram portion, 

and we'd weigh it out. We have a tolerance, in 

most of the standards, for rodent droppings.

 MR. SINNER: Okay.

 MR. KERRIGAN: John, I think you had 

your hand up there for a second. Did you have a 

question or comment? 

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MR. LINDGREN: Yes. It just went up 

before Tony. He mentioned rice. Because I know 

rice was a concern at the last meeting that we 

had together. So once he mentioned rice on that, 

that pretty well took care of that.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Okay.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So it kind of 

sounds like here obviously, from a 

GIAC-membership industry standpoint, that we kind 

of have a path forward, but we have some work to 

do. I don't think that necessarily in the middle 

of this meeting its right to make the sausage, 

personally.

 I think Nick was alluding to 

potentially creating a task force. Because of 

the outside entities from this committee, I think 

it'd be wise for us to reach out to other 

members; industry -- you know, there are a lot of 

different personnel that each of our companies 

and outside the company definitely tend to take 

the lead with FDA, that I think we should 

approach to start this process. 

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So I think it'd be my recommendation 

that we get a few volunteers, we set out a task 

force with an update at the next meeting, to 

hopefully try and provide some vetted solutions 

-- sorry, some vetted potential remediation plans 

that can be submitted as part of this. Please 

let me know if anybody feels differently with 

that. Okay. Arthur, Kendra, as far as creating a 

task force, I do not have my GIAC handbook handy 

and how we create a task force formally. Can you 

assist me with -- is that a voting item? I just 

need, you know, to garner some volunteers and 

then kind of set that aside? Or how does that 

work?

 MR. FRIANT: Matt, this is Nick. 

Based on the reading of that, I think my 

preference would be we put a recommendation in 

for this, so then we've got a -- and then, Arthur 

maybe, or Kendra, they're -- that's not 

necessarily based on it being in the procedures 

manual. But I would say, when we get to that 

point for talking about recommendations, we 

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should just have a recommendation round, forming 

a task force. We can work on the wordsmithing, 

but --

MR. NEAL Yes, I agree, Nick. I was 

talking on mute. Apologies. Yes, it'll need to 

be a recommendation and vote, because you also 

need to have those individuals who are going to 

be on the GIAC, who's leading the task force, 

identified. So that will be something you need 

to consider; any recommendation.

 The process about how we populate that 

task force -- since we're talking about giving 

folks an opportunity to participate outside of 

the GIAC, we'll need to work that out here 

because we'll need to make sure there's 

transparency in that process and folks have an 

opportunity to express interest. So typically 

how we formed task force in the past, we've put 

out some type of notice, and people would respond 

to that notice, that they would want to be a part 

of the task force.

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between a task force and a subcommittee to 

explore this topic could be individuals -- could 

a GIAC member individually solicit information 

but then bring it back to just the subcommittee 

members for discussion?

 MR. NEAL Yes.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Is that the big 

difference with that?

 MR. NEAL It would be simpler to do a 

subcommittee. Why? Because a subcommittee would 

be formed of GIAC members, and you can solicit 

information from whoever you want, and bring that 

information back together. Forming a task force 

means we'll basically have to go out with a 

public notice, soliciting participation from the 

public, for individuals who are interested. And 

then there's a process to select those members. 

So it's going to take a little longer. May take 

a lot longer to establish that task force. 

MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Let's throw it 

back to Nick and some of the other GIAC members. 

What's your thoughts? 

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MR. FRIANT: Yes. This is Nick. I 

mean, I guess I can go first. I hadn't thought 

of that aspect, Arthur, and I'm glad that you 

raised that. I guess, just for me personally, I 

needed to chew on it a little bit more. I think 

we want to make sure that we've got inclusion, 

Matt, as you alluded to; some of our key trade 

associations that have a key interest in 

supporting and fostering this work. I think, 

right, a couple that we could probably all guess: 

NAEGA and NGFA would be really keen on being a 

part of it or aware of it.

 But I think we also do need to act 

with a little bit of a sense of urgency since 

this has been out there for a couple of years, 

and it's questions that continue to arise, 

particularly for handlers, you know, when we get 

these actionable lots of grain. You know, I'm 

willing to roll with the flow of the committee on 

this one, but I'm not sure that going through 

that full process of, you know, the notice and 

comment period to form a task force -- if that 

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just makes this drag on longer and longer. You 

know, I'm not the only voice in this one, for 

sure.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes. It kind of feels 

to me, because of that time aspect, you know, 

given that several members of the GIAC have 

direct contacts to NAEGA, NGFA, and, frankly, our 

individual companies, that we may be able to, if 

nothing else, start with a subcommittee, bring 

that information back. If we feel that we don't 

have a good cross-section or, frankly, good 

feedback, then we can always go to a task force 

to expand it, you know, at the next meeting, 

which we'll get into. I'm assuming we're going 

to attempt to have a second meeting yet in '21.

 So that could be a way to kind of see 

if we can garner enough good information, I 

guess, even if not for the full list but for some 

of the heavy hinders, assuming expediency is 

still the main name of the game, because once it 

comes down to GIAC, I'm assuming then it's going 

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have some back-and-forth work, you know, before 

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plans.

 MR. NEAL Yes, this is Arthur. Once 

we get the recommendation from GIAC, we would run 

it up the chain through leadership across the 

street, make sure secretary's fully aware of what 

the recommendations say. Then we'd engage FDA 

accordingly. We may have to partner, depending 

on what comes out of the recommendation.

 I kind of sense that we'll need to do 

some of this negotiation work. And, Tony, you 

know, correct me if I'm wrong. We'll need to 

make sure that industry is poised to engage. 

Industry will have to be poised to engage. And 

that's another good reason why having a 

consolidated recommendation that takes into 

account of industry makes sense; that way, folks 

would be on the same page and not coming at it 

from different angles.

 MR. GOODEMAN: I don't know if you're 

interested; we've got Pat McCluskey and Barry 

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And I don't know if they've got insights as to 

some of the comments they've made, Pat or Barry, 

but might be helpful to the conversation.

 MR. MCCLUSKEY: One thought I had from 

-- can you hear me okay?

 MR. GOODEMAN: Barely, but yes. There 

we go.

 MR. MCCLUSKEY: One thought I had from 

working with FDA over the years on this -- we 

work with the Center for Food Safety and Applied 

Nutrition, CFSAN. And of course, their focus is 

a lot on -- is very much targeted at food safety. 

They think a lot about microbiology. So I just 

want to make sure you get a good understanding 

for yourself, for your subcommittee, on what they 

think about what's important to them; get very 

acquainted with them.

 And just by way of example, to 

continue Tony's story about deer droppings: When 

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we discussed deer droppings with them, I don't 

know, three, four years ago and tried to come up 

with a plan that was acceptable to them, they 

said, Well, you know, if there are deer 

droppings, there is potentially also deer urine 

in there, so we better start looking for some 

kind of microbiological presence of bacteria from 

deer urine.

 And I said, well, that's probably not 

going to be a big deal to you. And then I went 

through and explained -- and this is in wheat. 

So I explained to them about the process of 

cleaning wheat before it goes into a flour mill, 

and a lot of technical stuff, and kind of talked 

them off the ledge of going down that road.

 But I say that to you by way of 

getting familiar with what they're looking for, 

as you come up with your remediation plans that 

you want to submit to them, because, you know, 

they have a lot of high-level scientists that sit 

on these committees, and you just want to make 

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 MR. NEAL Well, this is another thing 

too, Matt: When the subcommittee is established, 

we'll make sure that we also have a resource 

person from FGIS that assists, so that the type 

of perspective that Pat just raised -- we're 

making sure that we're helping to think through 

this, along with the subcommittee; it's not that 

you're off on your own, you know, without any 

support, any guidance, any direction.

 MR. KERRIGAN: These are great 

comments and a great piece of information to know 

regarding that subcommittee. You know, Pat, to 

your point, where I kind of see maybe, you know, 

some of this industry knowledge going is --

obviously, there's a number of members that have 

dealt with this -- I don't want to say on a 

regular basis, but obviously it's come up that 

maybe we start with, frankly, polling our 

internal industry on these specific items and, 

you know, what the end-up outcome was from it, 

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of get an idea of maybe what has been approved on 

that one-off basis, to see, you know, how common, 

you know, that is with it, and trying to evaluate 

those concerns that could be outliers; for 

instance, in your case, you know, should that be 

expanded, or what information that they 

definitely took into account to actually come to 

that.

 MR. MCCLUSKEY: And another thing I 

think we've observed over the years -- and I 

think Nick can probably speak to this more than 

me. But I think we've seen over the years that 

they tend to have regional policies, where 

you-all want a national policy. And so as you 

put forth your recommendations, that might be 

something to gently work into your presentation 

as well. Nick, would you say that's kind of 

accurate?

 MR. FRIANT: You must be a 

mind-reader, Pat, because that's exactly what I 

was just thinking. And especially, like, the 

example around the large-animal excreta. We see 

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important to call out. We got to take that into 

consideration and be thinking about that.

 MR. MCCLUSKEY: That's my two cents' 

worth.

 MR. GOODEMAN: That's worth more than 

two, Pat, for sure on that one.

 MR. MCCLUSKEY: I'll send you a bill.

 MR. ENGEL: Pat, this is Curt. I 

thank you for the comments. This has a little 

bit of a potential to be creating a solution that 

goes looking for a problem.

 Tony, does FDA have a targeted list? 

I mean, there has to be some number of these type 

of contamination issues that are recurring, that 

are vexing for the industry as well as FDA. I 

mean, is there a target focus here?

 MR. GOODEMAN: Is there a target 

focus? You know, when we first presented on this 

topic, we counted up -- and we had a busy year 

for actionable lots; I think this was in 2019. 

So it was a particularly -- I think conditions 

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actionable lots; we had about 100 in a calendar 

year.

 And I think the information, how that 

was broken down, roughly, we -- I think the 

industry would probably know more about the real 

pain points there. Aflatoxin, for example -- I 

meant to mention this earlier, but we have an 

existing policy of how you can recondition a hot 

aflatoxin sample: run it over the cleaners, test 

both portions, the whole grain and the broken 

pieces, and, if the whole grain is good and the 

broken pieces are still hot, you know, you're 

pretty free to release the whole grain. So I 

mention that because that would be an example of 

a common actionable lot, but I don't know if it's 

necessarily a pain point for the industry, given 

that there's already options.

 MR. ENGEL: Thank you. You know, in 

my career, I've run across a number of these 

types of issues, and knowing what to do has 

generally been the largest part of the problem. 

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MR. GOODEMAN: Right.

 MR. ENGEL: -- What do we do now? And 

there's been --

MR. GOODEMAN: Right.

 MR. ENGEL: -- no clear understanding 

of the problem, and no clear path to a solution. 

So --

MR. GOODEMAN: It seems like there's 

a lot of interest in trying to, you know, as 

opposed to starting from scratch each time, say, 

okay, if you've got deer droppings, if you've got 

bugs in milled rice, here's what ends up 

happening in almost every situation; let's just 

do that; that way, we don't have all these bins 

tied up, all this -- or a railcar tied up, 

whatever it is, while we try to figure out what 

to do and then days or weeks or more go by.

 MR. ENGEL: Precisely.

 MR. GOMOLL: Tony, you mind if I cut 

in here for a second? 

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I can't hardly hear you.

 MR. GOMOLL: Oh, I'm sorry. Can you 

hear me currently? My mic might not be picking 

up.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Little bit. Give it a 

shot.

 MR. GOMOLL: Okay. So the FDA 

maintains compliance policy guides, or CPGs, for 

different actionable criteria, and one of the 

back-and-forths right now is talking with them 

about what we report and what we include in our 

directive, for factors that we report, whether 

they line up with the compliance policy guides or 

not.

 And in some cases -- for instance, 

COFO odors. They don't have any specific CPG to 

cover COFO orders, but we have been reporting 

them every time. And I'm trying to get a little 

more clarification on when we need to report; if 

we should only report factors that have a clear 

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continue reporting things like that that might 

indicate some other underlying factor that could 

cause that grain to be -- actionable might not 

necessarily be the word, but unsanitary or unfit 

for consumption.

 So that's one of the ongoing things 

right now as far as our directive goes. And I 

can't tell you anything right now, but there may 

be changes in what we report, based on whether we 

just want to go strictly along with those CPGs or 

continue to have a bit more of an overarching 

reporting. Thanks, Tony.

 MR. GOMOLL: Thanks, Barry.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. I think that's 

some really good discussion. Anybody else? 

Again, really, really appreciate all the work on 

the FGIS side to assist with this group in 

understanding maybe the process forward here, you 

know, for something that -- you know, I think 

we-all accept it as just the way it is, versus 

trying to find a proactive way to maybe make it 

easier for all of us. 

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or so to think about some of this, I guess we're 

going to move on to public comments.

 MS. KLINE: I have received no 

requests to do a public comment.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. FRIANT: Wait. Matt, this is --

MR. KERRIGAN: Yes.

 MR. FRIANT: -- Nick Friant. Kendra, 

I have a question on that. And, you know, I'm 

not sure, Kendra, if it's for you or Arthur, all 

the above. And it's more clarification from some 

of the discussion we had yesterday, around how 

the committee works and whatnot. So is there 

opportunity for folks to raise items that were 

not included on the agenda during the period for 

public comments, whether that's, you know, 

yesterday or today, or, if anyone wants to make 

public comments, those have to be made in 

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MR. NEAL So thanks, Nick. Was that 

one question or two questions?

 MR. FRIANT: Yes.

 MR. NEAL That's fine.

 MR. FRIANT: I guess it's really one, 

right -- or two. I don't know.

 MR. NEAL Let me answer it this way, 

the way I think I heard it: in terms of raising 

issues for the committee to take up, the 

committee cannot take up new work that has not 

been identified prior to the meeting.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. NEAL Why? Because there may be 

people who are interested in that topic, who did 

not have an opportunity to be made aware of it. 

And the committee will make a decision on that 

topic, without people being made aware of it, and 

they may want to have issued or participated in 

that discussion, through public comment or 

providing some documentation that would counter, 

that would support the committee's position. So 

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that's for agenda-item work.

 Someone could make public comment. 

They should let us know that they want to make 

public comment. The challenge that you have 

doing this virtually, I think -- this is our 

first time -- is that if no one signed up and we 

have, you know, a lot of people on virtually, 

that want to comment publicly but have not 

notified us that they want to comment, then we 

don't have any type of order to our process.

 So for today, if someone wants to 

comment, they should notify us that they want to 

comment, so that we can have order in our 

process. So they still can comment, but they 

need to let us know that they want to comment 

during the public comment period.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay. That helps. And 

then just to carry that a step further, then --

and I don't know of anybody that has any public 

comment, so this isn't a pre-loaded question; I'm 

just trying to learn the new process. If someone 

from the public does make some comments, if that 

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was not already on the agenda as an approved 

agenda item, the committee could not take action, 

then, on whatever -- you know, if we had a 

test-kit manufacturer come talk about their new 

latest ethyl methyl test kit, the advisory 

committee could not take any action on that 

unless that had been a pre-notified agenda item? 

Is that a correct interpretation?

 MR. NEAL Correct. The --

MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. NEAL -- Committee could note that 

comment and they could take that item up for the 

agenda for the next meeting, if that's what they 

chose to do or you chose to --

MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. NEAL Yes.

 MR. FRIANT: Clear. Thank you. I 

appreciate that.

 MR. NEAL Yes, sir. And FYI: This 

change is not something that's random. We're 

doing this based on the Federal Advisory 

Committee Act rules. This is how Federal 

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Advisory Committee boards and committees should 

handle business under the act, for transparency 

and inclusion.

 MR. KERRIGAN: I appreciate that 

information. We do have a significant amount of 

new members on the GIAC. Obviously, there's some 

that have participated in the past as well, you 

know, as well as obviously a renewed focus on the 

GIAC, from yourself, Arthur. And appreciate 

that, especially, experience from the organic 

side, and kind of how all of that works. So --

MR. NEAL No, we appreciate the 

partnership and the openness and the progress 

that's being made. And I'll share this -- one of 

the things we talked about -- well, I guess that 

was 2019, right? Man -- was wanting to make sure 

that the work of the committee was valued, was 

valuable, and that had the necessary impact that 

drew the type of attention and participation that 

the industry needs. And I believe that that's 

exactly where it's headed, based on the type of 

agenda items taken up, how we facilitate 

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participation from industry, in helping to 

resolve some of those issues. It will definitely 

elevate the impact and status of the committee.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Well, we are 

well, well ahead of schedule here, everybody. 

With no public comments, what's going to come up 

next here is recommendations. What I'd like to 

do -- do you want to take a longer lunch or do 

you want to take a short break before we delve 

into that topic?

 MR. NEAL Oh. We would --

MR. KERRIGAN: We're about --

MR. NEAL It's 11:48. Public comments 

at 12:00. Lunch is at 1:15. It's really up to 

you and the committee, in terms of whether or not 

you want to -- we need to keep lunch at 1:15. 

Why? Because on the agenda it says we'll take up 

those recommendations at 2:15. So what you 

choose to do between now and 1:15 -- you can have 

a discussion about that whether or not you talk 

-- you know, have pre-conversation whether or not 

you take a break. We'll not take up the formal 

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 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So we can't 

discuss recommendations until the 12:30 time? 

Because there's --

MR. NEAL Yes. I'm sorry, I said --

MR. KERRIGAN: -- a section there for 

lunch.

 MR. NEAL 2:15. Yes. 12:30. I said 

the wrong time.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So 12:30. So 

we've got about 40 minutes here before we can 

take that up. I want to take a few minutes here 

and then we will take an extended break here. 

When we start talking about recommendations --

again, we just went through the process of 

potential recommendations. Again, had to be 

agenda items for us to take up a recommendation.

 There's essentially four agenda items 

that we've discussed; it was the corn borer, the 

average inspection flexibilities, that falling 

number, and then the FDA MOU. From my notes from 

yesterday, the corn-borer issue is an item that 

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does not fall under the USGSA; thus, the GIAC 

cannot -- or it wouldn't be actionable, I guess, 

if GIAC decided to make a recommendation to FGIS, 

even, you know, engage APHIS or Department of 

Ag., because you wouldn't be able to do it, 

correct? So that is kind of a non-item for the 

group. Is that the way I understand that, 

Arthur? I believe that --

MR. NEAL As a committee 

recommendation and action item, because that 

issue does not fall under USGSA, it would not 

hold any weight for the secretary to have to 

respond to that, because it would fall outside 

the scope of the USGSA.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So if it doesn't 

hold weight, it doesn't hold weight, right? So 

that is something for the committee to think 

about; not to lead the committee into anything. 

But the average inspection flexibilities -- kind 

of sound like, Tony, that there may be some work 

on both sides of the table, for some additional 

research on capabilities, as well as, there were 

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not only some trade organizations with U.S. 

wheat; NAEGA as well, who handles a lot of our 

contract terms; to garner some more information 

on there.

 The falling-number item: There is an 

ongoing, I guess, evaluation, I guess I'll call 

it maybe, within FGIS, regarding how it falls 

underneath of AMA for the authority, and how 

that's applied officially and unofficially. And 

then we've had a lot of discussion regarding the 

FDA MOU and how the FDA could perceive some 

recommended pre-approved remediation plans for 

certain actionable items. However, there is a 

strong emphasis on industry involvement versus 

FGIS just as a liaison.

 Those are very, very quick summaries, 

but I did want to follow back and touch on all 

those topics, for everybody to kind of be 

thinking about here, once we come back from 

break. If there's anything else, anything in 

that, I guess, Arthur, that I've misstated 

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know, please.

 MR. NEAL No, I think you summarized 

it well, even with the first item you mentioned 

concerning the corn borer; it's still on the 

record, and --

MR. KERRIGAN: Sure.

 MR. NEAL -- we've got input, through 

dialogue, on what options are. And so we've 

registered that loud and clear.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Okay. Any 

comments, questions, discussion, before we go 

into break? My intention is to take a break 

until that 12:30 time, and then we'll come back 

and circle back with the entire group, on each of 

those items, if anybody wants to propose a 

recommendation and go through that process. Does 

anybody have any other comments before we go do 

that?

 MR. GOODEMAN: I'm sorry, what time 

are we coming back?

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 MR. GOODEMAN: Thank you.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Matt, this is Brent.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes. Yes. 

MR. TURNIPSEED: Can I ask a question 

about something that was discussed earlier 

yesterday? Quick question.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: It's more for Arthur. 

Just because I'm questioning -- our FGIS -- our 

GIAC board had been reapproved, and they had 

approved recommendations. Did they approve the 

recommendations to extend the committee members' 

length of terms?

 MR. NEAL The committee members' 

length of terms -- well, let me let you know how 

I heard that question, first.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Okay.

 MR. NEAL There was a recommendation 

made that existing members who were on the 

committee at the time that recommendation was 

made, have their terms extended before the 

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 MR. TURNIPSEED: Okay.

 MR. NEAL However, the reauthorization 

of the USGSA did allow for committee members to 

serve two consecutive terms should they be 

reappointed by the secretary.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Okay.

 MR. NEAL So I think I may have gotten 

to that aspect.

 MS. KLINE: And also, Arthur, just to 

add to that, you have to reapply.

 MR. NEAL Right.

 MS. KLINE: So when we go out for --

so there's five members rolling off at the end of 

next month. We're working on the nomination 

announcement. And if you want to be selected to 

continue or be part of the next five selected, 

you have to go reapply. So you have to send in 

the form like you've done previously.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: I think I'm one of 

those rolling off, so I was curious. I just 

wanted to make sure I was interpreting that 

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 MR. NEAL No, I appreciate that, 

Brent.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Any other 

questions, comments, concerns? Okay. Let's take 

about 34 minutes here and we'll be back at 12:30 

Eastern Time and we'll delve into 

recommendations. Thank you.

 MR. NEAL All right. Thank you.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Thank you.

 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter 

went off the record at 11:56 a.m. and resumed at 

12:31 p.m.)

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Welcome back, 

everybody. I'm hoping that we have the group 

here again. As discussed -- or I guess I'll open 

it up. Given Zoom, I know there's difficulties. 

I know I keep asking, and I get a lot of silence, 

but is there anything else, you know, comments 

that anybody wants to make, before we jump into 

recommendations? Okay. Well, we will get into 

it. We'll take them in order. And, you know, 

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again, as we rehashed right before our break, 

there's, I guess, three or four things that the 

committee can decide to do: We can make a formal 

recommendation. We can do absolutely nothing and 

move on. And, as Arthur noted, our discussion, 

you know, is documented and taken notice. You 

know, we have the ability to kind of punt and ask 

that it be put as an agenda item on the next 

meeting. And we can also create a subcommittee, 

which would have some subcommittee/task force to 

continue work on it until the next meeting.

 So on the topic of the corn borer, is 

there anybody who would like, or thinks, that the 

GIAC should make a recommendation of some sort 

regarding the corn-borer topic? 

MR. FRIANT: Matt, this is Nick. As 

sponsor or presenter of the topic, I guess I'm 

not sure how much I procedurally can or cannot 

say or should or should not say. But I guess, 

from my seat, I would say no action from the 

committee at this time, and not do anything 

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MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. I'm hearing no 

calls for a recommendation. Nick has suggested 

that, for the GIAC, no subcommittee, no task 

force, no recommendation, no need to keep it as 

an agenda item, moving forward. We don't really 

need a vote on this. I guess, kind of a last 

call for GIAC members if they feel otherwise 

before we move past it? Okay. I'm not hearing 

anything from any GIAC member, regarding the 

corn-borer agenda item, so we're going to move 

forward. Average inspection flexibilities: This 

is one that I was the champion sponsor of. I see 

there was a lot of discussion there. As champion 

of it, again, if any GIAC member feels otherwise, 

they'll let me -- as chairperson, you write it .

 I kind of think that maybe there's 

some more background information that even I 

would like to gather, and some other working 

groups that I would like to discuss with. Given 

that Mr. Goodeman has already stated that there's 

some kind of, you know, potentially more 

information that they need to look into regarding 

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this, and after the dialogue and discussion, it 

would be my recommendation that we do not do a 

formal recommendation to the secretary.

 I also don't think at this point in 

time that we're ready for a task force or 

subcommittee, but rather would like to see this 

added as a continuing agenda item at the next 

meeting, to possibly give some updates from both 

sides, both the GIAC membership as well as from 

FGIS, regarding just potential information, 

capabilities, and things of that nature, to move 

forward.

 So with those comments, does anybody 

feel differently, that they would like to, I 

guess, recommend a recommendation to the 

secretary? 

MR. FRIANT: Matt, this is Nick. I 

guess just beyond recommending, I agree with you 

that -- keep this as an agenda item for the next 

committee meeting and then allow advisory 

committee members to go back to their respective 

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some more info. So I think that is a good 

approach. And I would agree: probably no need, 

at this point, for a formal recommendation.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MS. COOPER: I concur with your 

recommendation as well, Matt. I think that's a 

good path forward. I think it's an important 

topic. There's a lot more information that I 

think we need to gather before moving to a more 

formal recommendation.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Thank you, Janice.

 MR. AYERS: David Ayers. Do we need 

a motion to put it on the agenda for the next 

meeting?

 MR. KERRIGAN: I believe that it's 

kind of an informal at this point, that we will 

go out as a committee -- or, sorry, prior to the 

next meeting, there will be a request for topics 

before it gets issued to the Federal Register. I 

don't believe -- Kendra, you can correct me if 

I'm wrong -- if we need a motion on that or not.

 MR. NEAL So this will be old 

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business. It's carrying over.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Anything else? 

Okay. Moving on to the falling-number item. 

John Lindgren, as the champion of that, do you 

have any comments that you'd like to make after 

all the discussion in the last day, 

day-and-a-half?

 MR. LINDGREN: Well, through most of 

the discussions yesterday and what my original 

recommendations were, it appears to capture 

recommendation 1, which was to get people doing 

it the same way. Simply moving falling numbers 

from AMA to USGS would solve that first 

recommendation. And always looking for new ways 

to -- different ways, competitive ways, for other 

results. I leave that on.

 The concern, I'm sure, through 

discussions yesterday, is: to move it over to 

USGSA would require all official agencies to use 

the 2:2 method. So I don't know if there's any 

leeway on that option, to allow some to run 1:2, 

you know, because it's going to turn into a 

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required to run 2:2 method, with it being under 

USGSA. 

So I'm not sure -- you know, I mean, 

as a group, that's what we need to discuss. If 

we simply recommend to the secretary that it be 

moved from AMA to USGSA, which FGIS was looking 

at anyway, our recommendation, I would assume, 

would further that movement along. I'm just 

concerned for some of the official agencies out 

there that still want to run 1:2.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Go ahead, Arthur.

 MR. NEAL Just a question. Whatever 

you choose to do in making a recommendation or 

not making a recommendation, if you do make a 

recommendation, ask yourself, whatever you're 

recommending, is it helping to solve the problem, 

because what I hear the problem is: 

falling-number tests at origination -- different 

from the results at destination.

 And also here, we need efficiency for 

railcars. And so if you're not ready to make the 

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recommendation, don't do so. Really take time to 

look at the issues and see if you can come up 

with a workable solution, because if you make a 

recommendation and we move forward with it, 

there's an industry response that's going to also 

have to be addressed. And so I just want to make 

sure; before you do what you do, feel comfortable 

with whatever choice you're going to.

 MR. LINDGREN: So as a group, I'm 

assuming we would have to vote on whether or not 

to make the recommendation? That's --

MR. KERRIGAN: If we wanted to make --

MR. LINDGREN: -- True or --

MR. KERRIGAN: If we want to make a 

recommendation, we would need to finalize some 

language regarding what was in that 

recommendation, and then we would vote on that 

verbiage -- or settle verbiage for that specific 

recommendation, yes. So, informally, I guess, 

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recommendation would look like?

 To John's point, to Arthur's point, I 

think we understand that FGIS is already looking 

at potentially moving it from AMA to, you know, 

USGSA. There are definitely some positives. 

That solves one. But I think we-all acknowledge 

-- or the discussion around it seems to 

acknowledge that it may create some pretty 

significant issues on the other side, right? So 

I think where we're at is: do we feel that the 

group is comfortable to start working on verbiage 

for a formal recommendation out of this meeting?

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excuse me -- I don't know that we're ready to 

work on that verbiage yet, because I think 

there's too many unknowns on the impact on if it 

would have to be the 2:2 method, which it 

currently is. So, you know, and as a group, we 

can certainly move it forward and continue to 

discuss. But, you know, talking with other 

individuals, just within the Grain Inspection 

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the committee, one of the biggest concerns is the 

timeliness of delivery of service, based on that. 

And I assume -- Tony, you can correct me if I'm 

wrong -- if FGIS chooses to try to move this to 

USGSA, it'll go through the Federal Register, and 

comments and all that stuff have to have happen 

as well, correct?

 MR. GOODEMAN: We're exploring that 

piece but, in talking with Pat, we think that, at 

a minimum, it'd be a Federal Register Notice --

(Simultaneous speaking.)

 MR. FRIANT: Yes, this is --

MR. GOODEMAN: -- At a minimum.

 MR. FRIANT: This is Nick. My 

follow-up question on that was going to be: yes, 

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actually, during the next reauthorization of the 

Grain Standards Act, that this one would be taken 

up?

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it couldn't be resolved legislatively, but --

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MR. FRIANT: Okay. It could be 

handled, though, through the --

MR. GOODEMAN: Yes. 

MR. FRIANT: -- notice and the comment

 MR. GOODEMAN: And everything we've 

got so far --

MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. GOODEMAN: -- Says that it can be 

handled even just as a policy matter; just an 

interpretation, something at a very low level. 

But again, since it's such a big issue, we want 

to be very transparent and upfront about -- I 

don't think we have to change our regulations. 

We may have to update our fee schedule, something 

like that, you know, from the AMA column over to 

the USGSA side. Again, and our initial review 

would probably be a notice in the Federal 

Register that this was taking place, if we did 

that -- if we went this route.

 MR. LINDGREN: So I believe, at this 

point, then, that there shouldn't be a formal 

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you know, it's under old business like the other, 

until we get a better handle on what it is 

everybody doesn't need. We'll have to see.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Tony, what's -- sorry. 

I guess, can you give maybe a little rehash, a 

flavor of exactly where you're at with this kind 

of discussion review or what you think the next 

steps are with timing? Obviously, there's a lot 

of stuff going on, you know, with staffing, with 

COVID, and things like that. What's your 

expectation? And kind of maybe more thinking 

about between now until, let's just say, this 

fall, do you think that you guys will come back 

with much information or kind of thoughts on 

where you guys might be at? Do you think that 

you may be able to get to that point, or is that 

being a little bit presumptuous, with everything 

that's going on, to where this is just kind of an 

open item that's hanging out in the background, 

that you're just kind of mulling around?

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priority for us. It's one of our internal Field 

Management Division goals for this fiscal year, 

which ends in September: to evaluate options. 

And I think we're probably, you know, pretty far 

along in that process. But I think one thing 

that may help this committee is just what that 

looks like in implementation. And that's 

something that we can look at more closely is, if 

we went this route, what steps would we have to 

take, what would the time line be. I mean, 

generally with big policy changes, we try to 

allow as much time as possible.

 You might remember, with the most 

recent round of falling-number changes back in 

the spring of 2019 -- I think we published those 

in the fall, for May implementation, I think is 

the time line. And so, you know, for something 

pretty big like this, I think we'd probably look 

for a similar, you know, notice. But again, we'd 

want to confirm, and that's something that we can 

do, that's a part of our, you know, project, is 

to evaluate exactly what that would look like if 

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we made this change, what steps we'd go through. 

Arthur --

MR. NEAL Tony, questions: In reality 

now, the falling-number test can be performed by 

official agencies and unofficial inspection 

companies, right?

 MR. GOODEMAN: Right.

 MR. NEAL So whatever we did, you 

still have the possibility that you've got 

unofficial companies performing the test, right? 

But what we'd be saying -- or is there a 

potential that they would no longer be able to 

perform the test?

 MR. GOODEMAN: Right. Yes, so no 

matter what we do, unofficials -- and I hate to 

name company names but, you know, just so people 

know.

 MR. NEAL Don't name them.

 MS. KLINE: You know, any unofficial, 

non-FGIS overseeing company can run anything they 

want, unofficially, now, and can run anything 

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they could run it unofficially in the future.

 And one thing that we're trying to 

align is that anytime that you see, you know, 

Northern Plains, Champaign, Danville, state of 

Missouri, whatever it is -- anytime you see that 

name on a certificate, we want to make sure that 

there's clarity this was run according to 

official procedures, because right now with the 

test being run under the less restrictive Ag. 

Marketing Act, any of these official agencies, 

cooperators, they're allowed to run it just on 

their own letterhead. They don't have to follow 

the procedures. They don't have to use two 

tubes. They don't have to use licensed 

personnel. They don't have to go by a USGSA fee 

schedule -- or, I'm sorry, a AMA fee schedule. 

They operate in that manner, exactly like -- or 

could operate exactly like an unofficial company.

 And so if we made this change, 

according to the USGSA, because of the 

restrictive language in the USGSA and the 

regulations, they'd no longer be allowed to wear 

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two hats. They could only wear the official hat, 

only do it by the book.

 MR. NEAL And so if I'm not mistaken, 

a lot of the catalog -- some of the examples that 

were brought to us of the differing results from 

the variation -- some of those tests were run by 

unofficial companies. And so --

MR. GOODEMAN: Right.

 MR. NEAL -- though we could make a 

change on our end that affects our official 

agencies, we still have the problem that 

companies may be using unofficials, and the 

results they'd get at origination still don't 

pair up with the results they get at destination.

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Private third parties, unofficials, and house 

graders, you know, company graders, yes, no 

obligation to do things officially, unless 

there's anything at the state level that would 

mandate something different. But no obligation 

to follow our rules; that's correct.

 MR. NEAL So -- I'm just talking out 

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loud -- it appears that there may need to be a 

broader discussion to really figure out where can 

we get something in place, because, no matter 

what, it's almost as if -- there's a business 

decision almost, too. If you're trying to go for 

speed and efficiency and just get some idea of 

what a one-drop test will get you, you know, you 

can do that, but you run the risk, on the back 

end, not having or not have shipped which you 

thought you wanted to ship.

 If we go 2:2 method, there's the 

feedback that it's going to slow things down when 

you're dealing with a unit train; not going to be 

move; at low-risk fast, make those decisions; may 

cost more; those type of decisions. But on the 

back end, you will have probably greater 

alignment in results, from origination to 

destination.

 I don't know currently how many folks 

are using third parties versus official agencies 

in the process. I think that some information 

that will be helpful to the committee, in terms 

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of processing whatever we recommend, will this 

actually help address the situation, because we 

could be changing something that has no impact or 

very little impact. 

MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. KUHL: So --

MR. KERRIGAN: Some more --

MR. KUHL: Oh.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes, go ahead, Ryan.

 MR. KUHL: Hey, Tony. You said that 

there would be a notice in the Federal Registry. 

Would that be just a notice or would that be 

available for comment?

 MR. GOODEMAN: That's something we 

have to look at. I suppose I'd say, at a 

minimum, a notice. Like, I think we've got --

Pat, could you help me out? We just did a notice 

on some rating procedural changes, interpretation 

changes, in edible beans, and I'm trying to think 

if that was a notice and comment or just a 

notice.

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 MR. GOODEMAN: Yes. So that was a 

notice-and-comment period. It's reasonable for 

us to evaluate and consult with our internal 

processes, to see what a change like this would 

necessitate. There are things that we do with a 

notice. It's just a notice: here's what's 

happening and here's when it's happening. And 

there are things that we do -- here's what we're 

looking to do, we'll accept comments. Or, you 

know, I think it's a notice-and-comment period: 

this is going to be effective; unless we receive 

adverse comments -- we have a lot options, I 

think.

 MR. NEAL And there's also the 

possibility that we could do a notice for comment 

on this problem in general, and seek input from 

industry, on what type of options they think 

exist that could help resolve this, and provide 

that feedback. And we can say in the comment 

maybe that, you know, we'll be using this to 

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Advisory Committee, you know, to help come up 

with a proposed recommendation on how we should 

move forward and address it. That's another 

option.

 Now, that's time too, because we have 

to write that notice up, get it through the 

clearance process, allow people to comment. We 

want to try to have all of that done before our 

next meeting, hopefully, in the fall, which is 

roughly, what, five to six months away, less than 

that. I don't know -- yes.

 MR. KUHL: John, what is your thoughts 

on the time for this? We're getting closer to a 

idea.

 MR. LINDGREN: Well, from my point of 

view -- if you said John, meaning me, Ryan --

MR. KUHL: Yes.

 MR. LINDGREN: Yes. It really simply 

comes down to -- everything is about time, speed, 

and efficiency. And I don't want to strap down 

official agencies with what they're currently 

doing, because that may not even be what all the 

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exporters want. 

To Arthur's point, any time an 

exporter chooses to use third party, whether it's 

through the falling number or even just simply 

grading, you know, that's the risk that we-all 

take, if that third party is used, on whether or 

not they're doing it properly. You know, the 

fallback is always to go to official agency. If 

you're not using official agency, you can, to 

make sure that it's going to align with how we 

export grain.

 And the official agency -- I certainly 

don't want to strap official agencies down to 

having to do something that may not make any 

difference to anybody anyway, because they may 

still use unofficial if that's what they choose 

to do. And then when they fall back to using 

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they know what rules are going to be followed.

 So from this standpoint, you know, 

through this discussion, I believe we're getting 

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closer, but I don't think it's anywhere near a 

formal recommendation, without further checking 

with everybody that is affected by it, because 

there's a heck of a lot more people than just 

those that are listening to this conversation 

right now. So I don't know --

MR. FRIANT: And this is Nick. Sorry, 

John.

 MR. LINDGREN: No. Go ahead, Nick.

 MR. FRIANT: I agree with you; I don't 

think at this point we have enough information. 

Like you said, there's some other pretty 

important stakeholders that I think would want to 

connect with advisory-committee members, for 

input. I think the question I would ask is: do 

we need, you know -- and this is for you, Tony 

and Arthur, I think -- you know, can you continue 

to provide updates on the work that FGIS is doing 

and/or, you know, different options on how we 

might address it, or make a recommendation 

between now and the next meeting.

 So in other words, will the agency 

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keep advising the advisory committee on options 

in what you're exploring, or do we need to have a 

recommendation on that, because I do think it's 

important for us, as the advisory committee, to 

keep up to speed on the work that you guys are 

doing and the options that we could pursue. Is 

that part of the normal operations, where you'll 

continue to give the advisory committee updates, 

or do we need to make a recommendation that says, 

Hey, make sure you guys keep giving the committee 

updates? 

MR. NEAL I think that's necessary. 

I think we'll keep you --

MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. NEAL -- Updated on progress. One 

of the things I will try to research and find 

out, I guess, after our break, after lunch, is 

whether or not there's an opportunity for the 

committee to make a request for input on a 

problem or a challenge that does not have to go 

through the Federal Register.

 I don't know, I've got to explore 

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this. Say, for instance, out of this meeting, 

you want to get input from industry on this 

particular issue, and there's a set of questions 

that you want people to respond to. Can we post 

that on our website, notify folks that it's 

there, and they provide responses through 

Regulations.gov so that you can have that input 

to factor in before our next meeting? I don't 

know if that's possible, but I'll try to figure 

that out and research it before when we get back 

after our break. And what that does, it 

potentially helps to facilitate a more timely 

response to the challenge and get you information 

quicker.

 MR. GOODEMAN: I think that would be 

good info to have.

 MS. COOPER: If I could make just a 

general comment about the falling-number test. 

The cause for differences between the results 

from origin to destination can be caused by many 

things, not only the method of testing. And 

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the tests. But in this one in particular, it can 

be problematic. You can get different results 

from the same field if you use exactly the same 

testing method.

 So I just wanted to note that there's 

a lot of reasons for results to be different, so 

I just wanted to remind us all of that so that 

we're not looking just for alignment in method as 

the solution for this particular problem. So 

just wanted to mention that.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So I think, in 

summary, what I'm hearing is that there is not a 

need for, at this meeting anyhow, a formal 

recommendation to the secretary. Going to pause 

there and ask, if any GIAC member feels 

otherwise, to speak now. Okay.

 MR. KUHL: Yes. Sorry. I'm not sure 

if this is possible, but can we recommend or talk 

about -- if FGIS decides to throw this over to 

GSA, can we recommend not to do it soon, so we 

have time to figure out the best way? 

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could, but I think, from what I heard from Arthur 

and Tony, and especially what we-all know -- no 

offense to how quickly the federal government 

moves -- is that I don't think it's going to 

happen quick; and even with just the public 

notice, that it's still, you know, five months 

out, even if they probably submit it today.

 And so I guess my general thoughts on 

that is that, you know, we'll definitely be well 

into/past at least the 2021 wheat harvest, you 

know, before anything of that nature happens. 

And the intention would be that we would have 

another meeting by that point in time, to likely 

be able to get an update.

 I guess what I'm getting from Tony is 

I don't think they're at a position and a place 

here today to even start that process of moving 

it over, is what I'm hearing.

 MR. GOODEMAN: That's an accurate 

assessment. I mean, even if -- again, just from 

a policy standpoint, for a change like this, we'd 

try and do it at the, you know, beginning of the 

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marketing year. We wouldn't want to do it right 

before harvest, for example; that might be 

problematic.

 Again, I'll hearken back to what we 

did two years ago with the procedural changes in 

falling number. We gave a significant amount of 

advancement -- it's not quite a year, but a lot 

of notice, and had made the change in May. You 

know, I'd hate for it to drag out too long if 

this is a genuine issue that we could help make 

progress on. You know, in every harvest that 

goes by, we could have other issues that come up 

and -- but you're right, it's not a real quick 

process. So I'd hate to delay it too much, but I 

definitely understand the need to evaluate it 

properly and provide appropriate notice.

 MR. NEAL So if I'm going to --

MR. GOODEMAN: I think that that is 

important, like, how much notice you might need; 

that's important; or how urgent this issue is. 

You know, even coming away with this, you know, 

without a resolution, saying this is a terrible 

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idea, stop now, I think is, you know, noteworthy, 

just to continue to look at it. I think it's all 

really good information.

 MR. NEAL So just upon quick review; 

there may be a possibility for the committee to 

craft a request for public comments. You know, 

and there'll be a need to frame the issue, what 

it is, you know, that's challenging the industry, 

and how you want the public to comment, you know, 

what kind of information you're looking for. 

There may be a possibility for that to be done 

without us going through the Federal Register, 

for the committee. I'll confirm that.

 But what I'm seeing, there could be a 

possibility that that exists. So after lunch, 

I'll have an answer for you on that and, that 

way, the committee can take up whether or not you 

want to develop a recommendation that requests 

public comment on this issue, and that can get 

you data to formulate potentially a more firm 

recommendation to us, on how you think it can be 

handled. And we'll still continue to do our part 

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on the back end, assessing options from our 

perspective.

 MR. KERRIGAN: I'll ask the GIAC 

members: is there anybody who, on that initial, I 

guess -- what Arthur's going to check into, that 

that could be a benefit? Or would that add value 

to anybody on the GIAC, before Arthur spends this 

time over lunch, researching something?

 MR. FRIANT: Yes, this is Nick. I 

think there's value in it. I got to kind of chew 

on it a little bit more. But I think there's 

potentially some value in that.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Because, you 

know, the other option, I think as John alluded 

to, is with FGIS continuing to work, you know, 

with maybe some of the -- I don't want to call 

them revelations, but maybe clarity on 

official/unofficial, both inside of the, I guess, 

official agencies, but then also maybe the 

realization of all of the independent surveyors 

who are not, you know, held to this in general; 

that there's definitely -- that probably built 

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the data set of concern, that we could just leave 

it on as an agenda item, kind of carry it to the 

next meeting as well. And I think what Arthur is 

alluding to as a step further on, if there's a 

need for actual public comment leading up to the 

next meeting, to gather information, because 

there's kind of two levels of information 

gathered there.

 Any other thoughts or comments on this 

falling-number item? Okay. If not, we'll stay 

that, I guess, until we -- if we think that there 

could be some value with what Arthur's going to 

look into, we kind of make kind of final decision 

on that, once we hear backup for some clarity on 

that. Okay?

 The fourth and final topic for us to 

consider is the discussion around the FGIS FDA 

MOU, specifically regarding coming up with kind 

of a agreed-upon sample remediation for various 

actionable items that've been discussed. It 

doesn't sound like we are at a level of 

recommendation; however, I will pause to see if a 

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-- sorry, a recommendation to the secretary. 

I'll pause there to make sure that we kind of get 

that out of the way. It sounds like we're at the 

level of likely a subcommittee. Nick, I believe 

that you had expressed some consideration for 

recommending the creation of a subcommittee. Is 

that correct?

 MR. FRIANT: Yes. I would be 

interested in recommending a subcommittee to take 

a look at it.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. FRIANT: So let me ask a question: 

From a process perspective, what does that look 

like? So that is --

MR. KERRIGAN: We would need to draft 

some language regarding the creation of the 

subcommittee. Then I believe we would then take 

a roll-call vote, yea/nay, on the creation of 

that subcommittee, once we have the verbiage on 

that creation and what its intent is, settled.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay. And that's just 

internal to the advisory committee; that's not 

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something that would be a recommendation that 

goes up to the secretary, then?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Arthur, is that 

correct?

 MR. FRIANT: Yes, I guess --

MR. NEAL Well, all of the 

recommendations -- we're going to make sure the 

secretary is aware of it. And so this is going 

to be an output -- well, no. So in answering, I 

guess no. We will inform the secretary, of the 

body of work that resulted from this meeting. 

But this is not an actual recommendation you're 

asking USDA to take action on.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Can you scroll up, 

Kendra, to the main subcommittee, not the task 

force. There we go.

 So I believe the key here in 

discussion regarding the subcommittee is: 

responsible for conducting research and analyses 

in drafting proposals for consideration by the 

full GIAC. So, Nick, is this something that 

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sounds like you'd like to propose that we work on 

the recommendation for, to create a subcommittee? 

MR. FRIANT: Yes. Yes. You got it.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Do you have a --

MR. FRIANT: During the break, I --

MR. KERRIGAN: -- Suggested language?

 MR. FRIANT: I started on some 

suggested language during the previous break. I 

notice we're kind of getting up close to the 

second break here. What's the easiest way? 

Should I send this to you, Kendra, for the -- and 

it's a draft, so I'm totally open to the 

committee slicing and dicing and getting it the 

exact way we want it. But I do have something we 

can at least start with.

 MS. KLINE: I would suggest sending it 

to Brent, since he's the acting secretary for the 

committee.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: I've got a --

MR. FRIANT: Okay. Will do that.

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something.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay. 

MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Well, if you'd 

like to send that over to Brent. And we are 

coming right up here on lunch. Maybe we take the 

hour lunch and then, when we come back, we will 

wordsmith that to be able to hopefully take the 

recommendation to a roll-call vote. Arthur will 

have some clarity regarding gathering public 

comment without the Federal Register; we can make 

a decision on that and then continue on to finish 

the meeting.

 So with that, let's go ahead and take 

just over an hour for lunch. We'll reconvene 

back at 1:15 Eastern Time. Is that right? Oh, 

I'm sorry, 2:15 Eastern Time. And we will start 

right where we left off here with this 

subcommittee. Thank you.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Thank you.

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 MR. KERRIGAN: All right. I see 

everybody we need, on. Brent has a proposed 

verbiage regarding the establishment of a 

subcommittee for the GIAC to review FDA 

actionable items. I think we kind of focus in on 

the number two there, that, quote/unquote, final 

verbiage. If everybody'd like to take a couple 

of minutes to take a look at that, and we'll open 

the floor for any comments for revision.

 MR. FRIANT: So this is Nick. Maybe 

while people are chewing on it, I'll call up a 

couple areas that I just struggled with writing, 

that I want to make sure folks are comfortable 

with. You know, the identification of the 

topics, I labeled them FDA actionable items. Does 

that resonate with folks? That was one area that 

I want to make sure folks are comfortable with 

how that was spelled out.

 And then the second piece was in the 

second sentence; start talking about should also 

propose what actions/activities would be 

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required. Does that use of the words: actions 

and activities be required under pre-approved 

reconditioning plan --

MR. KERRIGAN: Do we need to put in 

the --

MR. FRIANT: -- Does that language 

resonate?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Tony, I think one of 

the words that I heard you use quite a bit was 

the remediation. Is that the technical that the 

FDA is looking for, or are we playing semantics?

 MR. GOODEMAN: It might be semantics. 

I think reconditioning -- I might've been using 

the wrong word, actually. I think reconditioning 

is probably what they term it if you're going to 

try and, you know, eliminate the problem or make 

the grain, you know, better and get rid of it; 

whatever the issue was. Think the reconditioning 

is probably the better term.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Would 

slash-remediation be better? Because, some 

situations, you're going to want disposing of it. 

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MR. GOODEMAN: Right. Sometimes you 

have to.

 MR. FRIANT: I think that's a good 

suggestion.

 MR. SINNER: So, Tony, just back to 

when you presented this. These are actionable 

items that were identified by FDA, correct, and 

that's why it's stated this way?

 MR. GOODEMAN: Technically, they'd be 

identified or first-noticed by FGIS or one of our 

official agencies, and then reported to FDA. We 

call them actionable lots; I think it's how 

they're termed in our directive and our FGIS 

instructions. But they're actual because FDA --

that's why they set up an MOU when they're 

actionable, because of FDA regulations.

 MR. KERRIGAN: So would we revise that

 MR. FRIANT: FDA --

MR. KERRIGAN: So would we revise that 

to say: to review FGIS actionable lots which were 

reported to FDA? 

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MR. GOODEMAN: Probably semantics 

there. I think that, you know, they're only 

actionable because of our MOU with FDA.

 MR. FRIANT: FDA defines --

MR. KERRIGAN: A lot of us --

MR. FRIANT: I was just going to say, 

Tony, FDA defines what's actionable, right?

 MR. GOODEMAN: Exactly. And a lot of 

us, at least on the FGIS side, we refer to them 

as FDA-actionable so we kind of know what lane 

it's going down and what instructions will apply.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. FRIANT: How about FDA-actionable 

conditions instead of items? 

MR. KERRIGAN: It kind of sounds like 

-- if Tony feels we're playing semantics with it, 

then, like I say -- you know, this is a 

subcommittee here. I mean, I think the intent is 

pretty clear, as long as, frankly, Arthur and 

Tony -- probably more Arthur, I guess, is good 

with that language.

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interfere, but I think I understand what you're 

getting at there. Of course, I had been in the 

weeds on this the whole time, so it'd almost be 

better if an outsider, you know, wanted to check 

it out. But I certainly understand what you're 

trying to convey here: I mean, a subcommittee to 

review the actionable items and for which a 

pre-approved reconditioning plan can be 

developed; propose what actions or activities 

will be required under the pre-approved 

reconditioning remediation plan; work in 

conjunction with staff; propose findings for the 

next meeting. I mean --

MR. TURNIPSEED: That need to be 

defined as FGIS staff? 

MR. NEAL What was the question?

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Do we need to define 

that as FGIS staff there that we'd work with on 

this?

 MR. NEAL We understand. But for 

clarity, that doesn't hurt.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Nick, is that 

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MR. FRIANT: Yes, I agree with Arthur: 

for clarity. The example from last meeting, the 

recommended subcommittee did not include FGIS. 

But I think, for clarity, we should include that.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Any other 

comments, revisions, questions, concerns? Okay. 

So I'm assuming, Nick, you would like to make a 

motion regarding the, quote/unquote, final 

verbiage to create a subcommittee, as written. 

Is that correct?

 MR. FRIANT: So moved. Yes.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Can I get a second? 

MR. AYERS: Dave Ayers. I'll second.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: David Ayers?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. And then I want 

to go through one by one here. I need either a 

yea or a nay. Yea will be to, obviously, approve 

the establishment of the subcommittee, and nay 

would be to not approve.

 So David Ayers? Dave? How you doing?

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you're on the phone.

 MR. BURNS: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Janice Cooper?

 MS. COOPER: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Curt Engel?

 MR. ENGEL: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Nick? 

MR. FRIANT: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: I will also be a yea. 

Ryan Kuhl?

 MR. KUHL: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: John Lindgren?

 MR. LINDGREN: Aye.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Bob Sinner?

 MR. SINNER: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Brent?

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Yeah.

 MR. KERRIGAN: And Mr. Watne? 

MR. WATNE: Yeah.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Did I miss any GIAC 

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interesting regarding a request for comments?

 MR. NEAL Did. So there's a blended 

approach. I was wrong in the fact that we cannot 

ask for comments outside of a Federal Register 

Notice. But because we do have an active Federal 

Register Notice for this meeting, we can create 

an active request for comments on the agenda item 

for this meeting. So that's positive.

 So we got an active agenda item, which 

is the falling number. What we could do -- and 

we also have a document on the website, regarding 

this issue. What could happen is that the 

committee could take that document and figure out 

how it wants to craft a request for comment on 

that topic, and we could have the public comment 

on that topic. And the comments will be 

collected through Regulations.gov and be 

available for the public to review, as well as 

all committee members.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So we have a lot 

of discussion regarding the falling number. I 

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guess I'll put that to the GIAC back again. It 

did not sound like there was a movement earlier 

to do a formal recommendation to the secretary; 

however, with this new information regarding 

comments potentially, to gather that from any 

interested party, is there anybody on the GIAC 

who would like to try and move forward with that? 

Otherwise, this would remain as an open item for 

the next meeting, as an update.

 MR. NEAL Hey, Matt, I apologize for 

interrupting. There's one thing I forgot to also 

state. We have to also identify a closing date 

for the comment period.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So let's start 

with the first question there: Do we feel that we 

have enough information to request specific 

comments regarding the falling-number item as 

presented? Not hearing anything, do we want to 

continue without requesting public comments, but 

continuing to keep this on our agenda item, to 

come back for the next meeting, to get a further 

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information from GIAC members? 

MR. LINDGREN: I think the second one 

is a better plan of attack, just because I don't 

know if we would capture everything we wanted for 

comments, to put it in the register.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. FRIANT: This is Nick. That's a 

little bit my concern too, is if we had to put 

together, like, this afternoon what we would want 

for account requests in the Federal Register, I 

don't know that -- I don't feel comfortable --

that feels rushed to me, I guess is the way to 

say it.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Any other 

commentary from GIAC members?

 MS. COOPER: This is Janice. I would 

support just keeping it on our agenda as old 

business and discussing it at the next meeting.

 MR. KUHL: I would agree as well.

 MR. BURNS: Agree.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. We do not need 

a motion for that. I just want to make sure that 

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nobody feels otherwise for anything that we do 

need recommendations for. So I'll kind of give a 

moment here for anybody else if they want to 

counter that proposed move forward.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Want me to stop 

sharing my screen so you don't see my typing?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Sure. That's fine.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Okay.

 MR. KERRIGAN: It kind of sounds like, 

Brent, for the time being, that, hearing no other 

items, we have one recommendation for a 

subcommittee. The other items we'll move to old 

business at the next meeting. Okay. Simple, 

short session compared to the last one I was a 

part of.

 All right, Arthur, we're another 45 --

almost an hour ahead of our agenda again. Can we 

move to officer elections or do we need to wait 

until that time comes up?

 MR. NEAL Because this doesn't involve 

the items including the public debate, you can 

continue to move forward. Okay. 

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MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Nick --

MR. FRIANT: And --

MR. KERRIGAN: -- Did you have 

something there?

 MR. FRIANT: Yes. Sorry to interrupt. 

Before we do that, just a point of procedure or 

process: For the subcommittee -- and I'm asking 

you, I guess, Arthur -- how does that work? Is 

that discussion amongst the committee now, on who 

wants to be part of it? Do we need to have a 

chair of that subcommittee? I didn't see 

anything about a chair in the procedures 

document. So maybe just a little bit of guidance 

on how we should proceed with that subcommittee.

 MR. NEAL Yes, there should be a 

discussion here about who would chair that 

committee, so there's a point on it. And you can 

make those -- you know, to self-nominate, or 

someone could nominate someone else for it, and 

you-all decide as a committee if you agree, 

disagree. And we also need members of that 

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 MR. KERRIGAN: Thank you, Nick and 

Arthur.

 Would anybody want to nominate or 

self-nominate to chair the FDA MOU subcommittee?

 MR. FRIANT: This is Nick. I'd like 

to --

MR. ENGEL: This is Curt. I'd like to 

nominate Nick, and I'll volunteer to be on it.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Do we need to 

vote if there's only one nomination for the 

chair? No. Nick, looks like you are the chair 

of the subcommittee.

 MR. FRIANT: I accept.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. I --

MR. FRIANT: Who else besides Curt?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes, we got Curt. I 

would be happy to volunteer for the subcommittee.

 MR. FRIANT: Just my opinion: I think 

it'd be good to have someone from the official 

agencies as well.

 MR. KERRIGAN: We'll have a staff 

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liaison anyhow, correct? Oh, I'm sorry, you're 

talking about the other --

MR. FRIANT: Yes.

 MR. KERRIGAN: -- official agency.

 MR. FRIANT: Yes, Dave or Ryan or 

Jimmy or somebody.

 MR. KUHL: I will be able if -- unless 

you want it, Dave. I can.

 MR. AYERS: I can do it. I have 

plenty of time.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. I'm pretty sure 

we can -- I know we had to have a minimum of 

three. I think we can go over three if anybody 

else would like to participate.

 MR. FRIANT: Janice, is this something 

that you would be interested in, from the Wheat 

Marketing Center perspective?

 MS. COOPER: Actually, with all 

respect, no. It's not within my purview.

 MR. FRIANT: Sure. I wanted to make 

sure to ask.

 MS. COOPER: Thank you. Appreciate 

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 MR. KERRIGAN: All right.

 MR. KUHL: I can as well, if you're 

looking for more.

 MR. KERRIGAN: We'll go ahead and keep 

you clued in, Ryan. We'll put you on that; that 

way, it'll be a little bit easier to make sure 

that we maintain our minimum for any discussions 

that we have.

 Okay. Any further self-nominations, 

requests to be a part of it? Basically, I have 

Nick as the chair, we have Curt, Matt, David, and 

Ryan as members of the FDA MOU subcommittee.

 Okay. And then, Nick, we'll just need 

to take a look, being back on the policies and 

procedures. We don't need to do any Federal 

Register Notice, but we do need to meet on a 

regular basis and make sure that, obviously, 

we're documenting our conversations to present to 

the full GIAC, then.

 MR. FRIANT: Okay. Do we need to hear 

from FGIS on staff liaison or -- going to go out 

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on a limb and say it's either Tony or Pat. 

MR. NEAL I think, from our 

perspective, you know, we're definitely going to 

have someone committed to it; it could vary, who 

it is. It could be more than one. It just 

depends on what issues -- but you definitely got 

us on the hook to be connected at the hip with 

you on the subcommittee.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Well, we will 

make sure to let everybody know, I guess, on that 

first conversation. Will likely be a kickoff 

conversation. And we'll kind of play it by ear 

from there.

 Okay. Anything else that I may have 

missed, I apologize about that, regarding the 

recommendations or anything else, I guess, moving 

forward here, before we go into officer elections 

and next-meeting and agenda items? Okay. All 

right. Now, the fun part. Let me see if I can't 

find -- Kendra, do you have a current list of the 

members who are not rolling off next month, that 

you could put up? Otherwise, I have an older 

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one. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, the five 

members that are currently rolling off are Randy 

Burns, John Lindgren, Rick Robinette, Brent 

Turnipseed, and Mark Watne. 

MS. KLINE: I believe so. This is the 

only list I have.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. So basically, 

everybody except for those five individuals will 

be eligible for nomination/self-nomination for an 

officer position. I believe we have a chair, a 

vice chair, and a secretary position to fill. 

Would anybody like to nominate or self-nominate 

for either one of those positions?

 MR. AYERS: Matt, David Ayers. I'd 

like to nominate you as the chair, and Janice 

Cooper as the vice chair.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. FRIANT: This is Nick. I will 

second that nomination.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Who seconded that 

motion? 

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Sorry.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Okay. And who made 

the motion? I didn't even --

MR. KERRIGAN: David Ayers.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Okay. Okay. Thanks.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Do we have a nomination 

for secretary? Nick, would you have any interest 

in doing it?

 MR. FRIANT: I was just going to say 

I could be secretary. Sure.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Since I was nominated 

by -- or seconded by you, I will be happy to 

nominate you.

 MR. SINNER: I'll second that. Bob 

Sinner.

 MR. KERRIGAN: And we can have 

competing elections here. So if anybody else is 

interested or would like to nominate or 

self-nominate, by all means.

 MR. WATNE: If we're not hearing any, 

can we do a motion to cast unanimous ballot for 

the candidate for president, secretary, and vice 

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president? Can we do that? Is that legal?

 MR. KERRIGAN: I am staring at Kendra 

right now; she is giving a thumbs-up, that that 

is an option.

 MR. WATNE: So I will so-move that.

 MR. ENGEL: This is Curt. I'll second 

it.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. One second here; 

I'm also keeping notes. All right. So we've got 

a motion to accept those as -- we've got a 

second. I believe I will need to go through roll 

for the 11 members.

 Yea or nay, Mr. Ayers?

 MR. AYERS: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Randy Burns?

 MR. BURNS: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Janice Cooper?

 MS. COOPER: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Curtis Engel?

 MR. ENGEL: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Nick?

 MR. FRIANT: Yea. 

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MR. KERRIGAN: I will be a yea. Ryan? 

MR. KUHL: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: John?

 MR. LINDGREN: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Bob?

 MR. SINNER: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Brent? Brent 

Turnipseed?

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Yea. I'm sorry. My 

computer must have muted me.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Fine. And Mr. Watne?

 MR. WATNE: Yea.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Have I missed 

anybody? We have 11 yeas for Matt Kerrigan as 

chair, Janice Cooper as vice chair, and Nick 

Friant as secretary, for the coming session. All 

right. Moving along here. Just cruising. The 

next item I have is: discuss agenda items for 

next meeting. I believe we have -- far as old 

business, think all of our items are remaining, 

if I'm not mistaken.

 We also have one new item that has 

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been requested, regarding the timeliness or time 

reporting of shuttle train arrivals, and its 

impact on the inspectors. That was presented by 

Mr. Jimmy Williams. I spoke with him last night; 

he is not able to be on the phone today to 

discuss that further. He will have a kind of 

one-page white paper to present it to the group, 

prior to the next meeting. But he did ask that 

we include that as an agenda item as well.

 Little bit of a background on that is 

-- if any of you have worked with shuttle-train 

loadings, we get free advice usually four or five 

days before, and then the railroad will adjust 

that time. Obviously, with a shuttle train, you 

know, 110 to 115 cars typically takes at least 

eight hours to load. That can expand out to as 

much as 10, 12, you know, 15 hours, sometimes 

more.

 And the problem lies -- you know, as 

you're getting closer and closer, that time will 

start to either move up or move back, which makes 

it very difficult for the scheduling of 

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inspectors, which then you start to run into 

excessive fatigue, just scheduling challenges, 

and which does impact not only overtime and pay 

but also especially the retaining of employees, 

because of the unknown schedule; nights, 

weekends, and things of that nature.

 So that is a summary on that. Let's 

say Jimmy will have more information. Other than 

kind of what's been discussed, are there any 

other known agenda items that anybody would like 

to request at this point in time, for the next 

meeting?

 MR. AYERS: Matt, David Ayers. I'd 

like to have an update on the exception program.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. AYERS: If that would be a okay 

topic, Arthur?

 MR. NEAL Yes, sir.

 MR. AYERS: Thank you. 

MS. COOPER: Dr. Jhee mentioned 

yesterday that they're working on a process for 

approving new technology in the official system. 

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I'd be very interested in getting a whole reading 

on the status of that and maybe, you know, look 

at some recommendations, depending on how that's 

going.

 MR. NEAL Feedback on that: In Dr. 

Jhee's comments, what we plan on doing is having 

a document for the community to review prior to 

the meeting.

 MS. COOPER: That'd be great.

 DR. JHEE: We'll be sending the 

document as well as some focus questions on those 

areas that I mentioned yesterday we kind of hit 

some sticking points on and wanted to get some 

industry input.

 MR. GOODEMAN: This is Tony. I have 

just a clarifying question, out of curiosity: 

Will there be, like, a Federal Register Notice 

seeking topics as well, or some kind of outreach 

to the committee, to gather more topics in 

advance of the next meeting, or is this the 

opportunity?

 MR. NEAL So the committee can meet 

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ahead of the next meeting -- I'll probably have 

multiple meetings ahead of the next meeting -- to 

discuss further agenda items.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Okay. Thank you.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Anything else at this 

point in time that anybody would like to request? 

As Arthur said, this is not the last opportunity 

leading up to the next meeting, but if there's 

anything known that we want to get on the docket, 

to make sure that we have time to prepare and, 

frankly, don't miss it? 

MR. KUHL: I possibly would like to 

ask some more official agencies their thought. 

But possibly one to review would be the OCIS.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Just an update? Or you 

think that there's going to be something specific 

when you talk to some of the other agencies 

regarding it?

 MR. KUHL: I would like to ask what 

their thoughts would be if falling numbers were 

to take that path, to see -- on how that would 

work. I know that there's going to be quite a 

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few OCIS agreements, possibly in the hundreds, 

for each agency that runs falling numbers. I'd 

like to review the OCIS myself as well as talk to 

other to OAs, to see if it should be discussed in 

this committee. So can I potentially add that as 

the agenda?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Sure.

 MR. KUHL: Okay.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Yes, we can mark that 

down. Like I say, we do have plenty of 

opportunity to revise the agenda items before 

that goes to the Federal Register Notice, prior 

to the next meeting.

 MR. NEAL And also for consideration 

on that topic, Ryan: if it's connected to that 

falling-number issue, you can think about 

handling a lot of that, too, through the 

subcommittee.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: I think I captured 

that, but my lights have quit working in my 

office.

 MR. GOODEMAN: Was there a 

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subcommittee on the falling number?

 MR. KUHL: Not to my knowledge.

 MR. KERRIGAN: No.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Oh.

 MR. KERRIGAN: There's only a 

subcommittee on the FDA MOU. We were going to --

MR. GOODEMAN: Okay.

 MR. KERRIGAN: -- Basically use it as

 MR. GOODEMAN: Yes, business item. 

Yes, yes.

 MR. KERRIGAN: -- An old-business 

item, to kind of have everyone, like, collect 

some information, bring it back to the next 

meeting.

 MR. NEAL Yes, thanks for -- I got the 

issues mixed up, Tony. Thanks.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Arthur's getting ahead 

of himself on what we're going to do at the next 

meeting.

 No, Brent, if you could turn yourself 

into a cat as well, while you're kind of fading 

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in and out there, it would bring a nice end to 

this meeting.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Technology beyond me.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Anything else for 

agenda items? Okay. I'll just end with closing 

remarks for myself. I do want to really thank 

everybody for their time over the past two days. 

I want to thank all the staff members at FGIS, 

for the updates as well as all the cooperation. 

I really think that we're all getting a lot 

better at this technology thing and remote 

meetings. While it may not be preferred, I 

actually think this is one of the smoother group 

meetings that have had, what, upwards of 50 

people on, most of the time. So thank you very 

much for making this go very, very well.

 Thank you for all the cooperation. 

Been a very, very good discussion on these 

topics. I know that some are little surprised 

because of past meetings and the sheer number of 

topics, but I feel that the quality of these 

items and the impact, you know, on the industry, 

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at various levels, with the impact that FGIS can 

have and vice versa, has been great. So on 

behalf of me, thank you very, very much to the 

GIAC, FGIS, as well as all the other 

participating members, and come back.

 I'm going to turn it over to Arthur. 

There is a little bit of a question. If you can: 

not only end the closing remarks; kind of talk 

about maybe the plan for -- you know, what your 

thoughts are for next meeting, rough time line, 

and things of that nature.

 MR. NEAL Excuse me. Well, first of 

all, I want to say thank you. Thank you for 

flowing with us. When I say flowing, this is 

different. But everybody was very flexible in 

this process, coming up to this meeting date; 

very participative. And I just really wanted to 

say thank you for being great partners and, you 

know, servants to the industry, in this way, on 

this committee.

 I want to say thank you for those 

members rolling off: Rick, Randy, John, Brent, 

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a full three years together, but the time that we 

did have to connect has really been a pleasure. 

And I hope we have an opportunity to do it more, 

whether it's through GIAC or some other venue.

 For those that are going to be staying 

for the ride: This is a evolutionary process as 

we improve how we interact with each other and 

with our stakeholders, and how we provide more 

prepared, more structured, thoughtful 

recommendations that could impact the industry.

 I'm really grateful to be a part of 

FGIS. This is an organization that stands for 

excellent service. You know, and as I, you know, 

meet with employees, it just iterates the spirit 

of excellence that flows throughout the industry, 

in terms of providing quality product and us 

providing quality service to help market the 

products that are being produced, shipped 

worldwide.

 So I think this has been a great 

meeting. I look forward to the next meeting. In 

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terms of time, that's going to really be -- I 

guess it's a shared responsibility. We're 

anticipating better, more free movement in the 

fall; that's an anticipation. I didn't get a 

chance to read it thoroughly; I did see the date 

that the CDC came out with guidance that said 

people who were fully vaccinated no longer had to 

wear masks outdoors or indoors. What does that 

mean for us in terms of travel? I don't know. 

But I'm hopeful that we'll get the green light 

that we can start traveling again.

 I've already put the request, you 

know, to Bruce, our administrator, that we have a 

desire to want to meet in person for our next 

meeting. We have to wait before -- you know, 

wait for the White House to give us the okay to 

start traveling and gathering together on behalf 

of the federal government. But that's our goal.

 We were looking at a time line of 

November to get us past any potential COVID 

issues. I think if we target any date sooner 

than that, we may not have clarity. And it's 

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going to take a lot of planning on our end to 

make it happen. As we don't want to facilitate 

that meeting in the National Grain Center, we'll 

probably target a hotel. And so that means 

getting a contract in place and the like, making 

sure we got audio-visual in place. You know, we 

got to get your flights arranged, and things of 

that nature. So it'll take a little bit more 

coordination and so we need to make sure we've 

given ourselves enough time to plan for that, and 

adjust for any unexpected circumstances that we 

hope not to occur.

 So that's my thoughts on a future 

meeting. It gives the committee and 

subcommittees plenty of time to work on issues, 

reach out to stakeholders, have conversations, 

bring information back. It gives us the time 

that we need to continue working on items as 

well, in partnership with you.

 I think our next meeting's going to be 

a even greater meeting than this one. And I feel 

like this has been fairly productive, considering 

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the topics that we had on the table. And some of 

these topics that we had for this meeting were 

rollovers from when we were planning in March, I 

think, of 2000.

 So, lot's happened since then. I'm 

sure there's more that may pop up between now and 

our meetings, to plan for the next GIAC meeting. 

So that's my perspective. Any questions or 

additional thoughts on that?

 MS. COOPER: Arthur, you said you 

weren't planning on using the National Grain 

Center. Does that mean that you might have the 

meeting somewhere else besides Kansas City?

 MR. NEAL No, we're still looking at 

Kansas City.

 MS. COOPER: Okay. Perfect.

 MR. NEAL Kansas City right now -- you 

know, when we have these meetings, -- this is my 

thought process. I could be wrong. And it's not 

all up to me. If there are locations that 

you-all think we should look at, feel free to 

recommend those to us. Cost is always going to 

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one, because of cost. We were planning to have 

our in-person meeting in Kansas City at a hotel, 

if we were to have met in 2020. We had a good 

deal with the hotel.

 Kansas City is pretty central to a lot 

of our stakeholders, so people can get to it 

fairly easily, whether by driving or flying in. 

We'd like to be able to move our meetings across 

the country, to other parts of, you know, grain 

country, but those locations need to be such that 

it's easy for us to access our stakeholders.

 So that's kind of our thought process, 

is that when we meet in public, we want people to 

be able to participate and us not be too far out 

of reach from them. Any additional thoughts, 

comments? Before we meet next time, we should 

have an undersecretary in place here for our 

Marketing and Regulatory Program. If there are 

any other changes administratively through 

appointments, we'll do our very best to make sure 

we keep you-all apprised. And if there's an 

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opportunity for us to get those individuals in 

front of you, we'll do our very best to do that 

so that you have an opportunity to meet them and 

know who they are. And that's about all I have, 

you-all.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Anything else 

from anybody? Hearing none --

MR. NEAL Let me ask a quick question 

to make sure I --

Dave Ayers -- Dave, you're on with us 

for another year, right?

 MR. AYERS: Yes.

 MR. NEAL Yes. Okay. Just wanted to 

make sure I didn't forget you. I didn't think 

you were off. Okay.

 MR. AYERS: You're not getting rid of 

me that easy.

 MR. NEAL Right. I haven't been able 

to do it yet, so --

MR. KERRIGAN: Okay. Well, I will 

entertain a motion to adjourn.

 MR. AYERS: So moved. 

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MR. KERRIGAN: And a second?

 MR. FRIANT: Second.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Okay.

 MR. TURNIPSEED: Who made the motion?

 MR. KERRIGAN: Meeting's adjourned. 

MR. MCCLUSKEY: David Ayers, Nick 

Friant.

 MR. FRIANT: Yes.

 MR. NEAL Thank you-all. You-all 

continue to be safe.

 MR. KERRIGAN: Thank you-all.

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step 16:15 40:18 79:4 

steps 61:9 62:9 63:1 

sticking 106:13 

stop 77:1 94:5 

story 29:22 

strange 7:15,19 

strap 69:20 70:13 

strategies 12:8 

street 28:7 

stress 13:13 

strictly 37:10 

strong 46:15 

structured 112:10 

struggled 84:13 

stuff 30:14 59:7 61:10 

subcommittee 15:15 

15:16,19 25:1,4,10,10 

27:9 29:18 31:3,8,13 

51:9 52:3 53:6 80:4,6 

80:9,17,19 81:16,19 

82:2 83:19 84:5 87:18 

88:6 89:4,10,19 94:12 

95:7,11,14 96:5,13,18 

98:13 99:8 108:18 

109:1,6 

subcommittee/task

51:10 

subcommittees 14:22 

15:1 114:15 

submit 30:19 75:7 

submitted 23:6 

sufficient 12:15 

suggest 82:16 

suggested 52:2 82:6,8 

suggestion 86:4 

summaries 46:17 

summarized 47:3 

summarizes 14:15 

summary 74:12 105:7 

SUMMERS 2:7 

support 12:6 31:10 

39:22 93:17 

supporting 26:9 

suppose 67:15 

surprised 110:19 

surveyors 78:20 

system 105:22 

T

table 5:15 45:21 115:1 

taken 42:22 51:6 59:19 

takes 7:1 28:17 104:15 

talk 41:4 43:20 74:18 

107:17 108:3 111:8 

talked 9:8 19:1 30:14 

42:15 

talking 6:1 20:18 23:22 

24:5,12 36:11 44:14 

58:21 59:10 65:22 

84:21 97:2 

target 33:17,18 113:21 

114:4 

targeted 29:15 33:13 

task 15:13,16,19,20 

22:15 23:2,9,10 24:2 

24:8,12,18,21 25:1,13 

25:19 26:22 27:12 

52:3 53:5 81:16 

technical 30:14 85:10 

technicality 47:1 

Technically 86:9 

technology 2:3 105:22 

110:3,11 

tell 37:8 

ten 4:6 

tend 22:20 32:13 

term 15:14 70:18 85:15 

85:19 

termed 86:13 

terms 12:21 39:9 43:15 

46:4 48:14,16,22 49:5 

66:22 112:17 113:1,9 

terrible 76:22 

test 34:10 41:5 63:4,10 

63:13 64:9 66:7 73:18 

test-kit 41:4 

testing 1:17 73:21 74:4 

tests 56:19 65:6 74:1 

thank 4:13 16:9 33:10 

34:19 41:17 48:2 50:8 

50:9,10 54:11 83:19 

83:20 96:2 97:22 

105:19 107:4 110:6,8 

110:15,17 111:3,13 

111:13,18,21 118:9 

118:11 

thanks 12:2 37:12,13 

39:2 101:5 109:16,17 

That'd 106:9 

that've 79:20 

they'd 64:22 65:13 86:9 

things 4:15 6:18 7:3,19 

11:5,12 12:12 21:2,3 

37:1,6 42:15 51:2 

53:11 61:11 65:18 

66:12 68:6,9 72:16 

73:21 105:6 111:11 

114:7 

thinks 51:13 

third 65:16 66:20 70:3,6 

thoroughly 113:5 

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thought 5:12 26:2 28:2 

29:7,11 66:10 107:13 

115:19 116:13 

thoughtful 112:10 

thoughts 12:5 25:22 

61:15 69:12 75:8 79:9 

107:20 111:10 114:13 

115:9 116:16 

three 30:2 51:2 97:13 

97:13 112:2 

threshold 7:7 

throw 25:20 74:19 

thumbs-up 102:3 

THURSDAY 1:5 

tied 9:20 35:17,17 

time-sensitive 56:1 

timeliness 59:3 104:1 

timely 73:12 

times 11:9 

timing 61:9 

today 5:1 38:20 40:11 

75:7,17 104:5 

today's 5:13 

tolerance 21:17 

Tony 5:20 12:2,7 16:9 

17:8,16 20:12 22:2 

28:12 33:13 35:21 

37:12 45:20 59:4 61:5 

63:3 67:10 71:16 75:2 

75:15 85:8 86:5 87:7 

87:16,20 99:1 106:15 

109:17 

Tony's 5:15 29:22 

top 10:22 11:22 

topic 25:2 33:20 39:15 

39:18 43:10 51:12,15 

51:17 54:8 79:16 

91:16,17 105:17 

108:15 

topics 5:4 46:19 54:18 

84:16 106:18,19 

110:19,21 115:1,2 

totally 7:22 82:12 

touch 11:19 46:18 

touched 18:14 19:14 

tough 6:2 34:1 

trade 13:22 26:7 46:2 

53:22 

train 66:13 104:2,14 

transfers 7:2 

transparency 24:16 

42:2 

transparent 60:13 

travel 113:9 

traveling 113:11,17 

tried 30:2 

true 57:13 73:22,22 

try 12:8 13:13 23:4 

35:18 59:5 62:11 69:8 

72:16 73:9 75:22 

85:16 92:7 

trying 12:14 32:3 35:11 

36:19 37:21 40:21 

64:2 66:5 67:19 88:6 

tubes 64:14 

turn 55:22 109:21 111:6 

Turnipseed 1:16 48:3,5 

48:9,18 49:2,7,20 

82:20,22 85:20 88:14 

88:17,22 89:15 90:18 

94:5,8 100:4,20 101:2 

101:5 103:8,9 108:19 

109:4 110:3 118:4 

two 5:9 8:8 33:4,7 39:3 

39:7 49:5 64:13 65:1 

76:5 79:7 84:7 110:7 

tying 20:7 

type 24:19 31:5 33:14 

40:10 42:19,21 66:15 

68:18 

types 34:21 

typical 17:7 

typically 10:4 18:9 

24:17 104:15 

typing 94:6 

U

U.S 1:1 46:2 

unanimous 101:21 

underlying 37:2 

underneath 46:9 

undersecretary 116:18 

understand 14:3 30:22 

45:7 58:4 76:15 88:1 

88:5,20 

understanding 29:17 

35:7 37:18 

unexpected 114:11 

unfit 37:4 

unit 66:13 

United 1:15 

University 1:17 

unknown 105:5 

unknowns 58:17 

unofficial 63:5,10,19 

64:18 65:7 70:16 

unofficially 46:10 63:21 

64:1 

unofficials 63:15 65:12 

65:16 

unsanitary 37:4 

unusual 8:1 

unwilling 35:1 

update 8:22 10:15 23:3 

60:15 75:14 92:9,22 

105:14 107:15 

Updated 72:15 

updates 9:3 53:8 71:18 

72:8,11 110:9 

updating 9:1 

upfront 60:13 

upwards 110:14 

urgency 26:14 

urgent 76:20 

urine 30:5,8 

USDA 81:13 

use 14:3,5 55:19 64:13 

64:14 70:3,16,19,19 

74:3 85:1,9 109:8 

USGS 55:13 

USGSA 45:1,11,14 49:4 

55:19 56:3,7 58:6 

59:6 60:17 63:22 

64:15,20,21 

usually 19:11 104:12 

V

vaccinated 113:7 

valid 9:1 

valuable 42:18 

value 78:6,10,12 79:12 

valued 42:17 

variation 65:6 

varied 11:16 

various 79:19 111:1 

vary 99:4 

venue 112:5 

verbiage 57:18,18,20 

58:12,16 80:19 84:4,8 

89:10 

versa 111:2 

versus 37:20 46:15 

66:20 

vested 4:16 

vetted 23:4,5 

vexing 33:16 

vice 2:5 100:11,16 

101:22 103:15 111:2 

Vice-Chair 1:8 

Video/teleconference

1:8 

view 69:16 

violations 9:14 

virtually 40:5,7 

voice 13:10 27:2 

volunteer 96:9,18 

volunteers 23:2,12 

95:22 

vote 24:6 52:6 57:10,17 

80:18 83:9 96:11 

voting 23:11 

W

wait 38:9 94:18 113:15 

113:16 

waiting 12:10 

wanted 10:16 49:22 

57:12 66:10 74:5,7,10 

88:4 93:4 97:20 

106:13 111:17 117:13 

wanting 42:16 

wants 38:20 40:11 

47:16 50:20 91:15 

95:10 

wasn't 35:1 

watching 4:18 

Watne 1:17 90:19,20 

100:4 101:20 102:5 

103:11,12 

way 8:14 11:13 14:16 

27:16 28:18 29:21 

30:16 35:16 37:20,21 

39:8,9 45:7 55:12 

74:21 77:17 80:3 

82:10,14 86:8 93:12 

98:7 111:19 

ways 14:8 15:5 55:14 

55:15,15 

we-all 37:20 58:7 70:5 

75:2 

wear 64:22 65:1 113:8 

website 73:5 91:12 

weeds 88:3 

weekend 9:17 

weekends 105:6 

weeks 12:10 35:19 

weigh 21:17 

weight 13:5 45:12,16 

45:16 

weird 21:2,3 

Welcome 3:2 50:14 

went 22:1 30:10 44:15 

50:12 60:20 62:9 

83:22 118:13 

weren't 115:11 

whatnot 38:16 

wheat 1:12 7:6,9 11:9 

30:11,13 46:3 75:10 

97:16 

white 104:7 113:16 

wild 7:21 

Williams 104:4 

willing 10:6 16:22 26:19 

wise 22:17 

witness 7:2 

word 37:4 82:22 85:14 

words 71:22 85:1,9 

wordsmith 83:8 

wordsmithing 24:2 

work 10:4 12:13 13:21 

14:17,18 15:1,2 22:10 

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28:1,12 29:1,13 32:16 

37:16 39:11 40:1 

42:17 45:20 51:11 

58:16 71:18 72:5 

78:15 81:11 82:1 

88:11,18 95:8 107:22 

114:15 

workable 57:3 

worked 8:20 9:2 104:11 

working 29:2,12 49:15 

52:18 58:1,12 105:21 

108:20 114:18 

works 38:16 42:11 

worldwide 112:20 

worth 33:5,6 

wouldn't 45:2,5 76:1 

write 18:1 52:15 69:6 

writing 84:13 

written 89:10 

wrong 28:13 44:9 54:21 

59:5 85:14 91:4 

115:19 

X

Y

yea 89:18,18,22 90:3,5 

90:7,9,10,12,16 

102:13,14,16,18,20 

102:22 103:1,2,4,6,9 

103:12 

yea/nay 80:18 

year 33:20 34:3 62:2 

76:1,7 117:11 

years 8:7,20 26:15 

29:12 30:2 32:10,12 

76:5 112:2 

yeas 90:22 103:14 

yesterday 5:12,14 6:1 

38:15,20 44:22 48:7 

55:9,18 105:21 

106:12 

you-all 11:20 13:8 15:6 

21:3 32:14 95:20 

115:21 116:22 117:5 

118:9,9,11 

Z

zero 90:22 

Zoom 50:17 

0

1

1,000-gram 21:16 

1:13 83:22 

1:15 43:14,16,19 83:16 

1:2 55:21 56:11 

10 104:17 

100 7:8,8 34:2 

103 3:17 

11 90:22 102:12 103:14 

11:00 1:8 

11:02 4:2 

11:48 43:13 

11:56 50:12 

110 3:20 104:15 

115 3:21 104:15 

12 104:17 

12:00 43:14 

12:30 44:3,8,10 47:14 

47:22 50:6 

12:31 50:13 

13 1:5 

15 104:17 

1980 6:12 

2

2:15 43:18 44:8 83:17 

2:19 84:1 

2:2 55:20 56:2 58:18 

66:11 

20 8:15 17:9 18:15 

2000 115:4 

2019 33:21 42:16 62:15 

2020 116:4 

2021 1:5 75:10 

21 27:15 

3

3:02 118:13 

30 10:17 

33 7:8,8 

34 50:6 

38 3:5 

39 3:7 

4

4 3:2 

40 44:11 

45 94:16 

5

50 3:9,11 110:14 

6

6 3:3 

7

8

8:02 4:4 

83 3:13 

9

9:30 48:1 

94 3:15 

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C E R T I F I C A T E 

This is to certify that the foregoing transcript 

In the matter of: Grain Inspection Advisory Committee

Before: USDA

Date: 05-13-21

Place: teleconference

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under 

my direction; further, that said transcript is a 

true and accurate record of the proceedings. 

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Court Reporter 

NEAL R. GROSS 

COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 

1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. 

(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.com