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Tuesday , Octobe r 18 , 201 1 Th e above-entitle dmatte r cam e o n fo r hearin g vi a teleconference , pursuan t t o notice , a t 3:0 0 p.m . BEFORE : TH E HONORABL E RONNI E A . YODER , Chie f Administrativ e La wJudg e



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O nBehal f o f th e Respondent : BRIANWALLAESA , pr o s e 1127 2 Wortha mCres t Circl e Manassas , V

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O nBehal f o f th e Complainant : JOH NC . STUART , JR. , ESQ . Attorne y Offic e o f th e Chie f Counse l Enforcemen t Division , AGC-30 0 of : Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n 80 0 Independenc e Av e S W Washington , D C 2059 1 (202 ) 267-995 8



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2 2:5 9 p.m . 3 JUDG E YODER : Thi s i s a pre 4 hearin g telephon e conferenc e i nth e matte r o f 5 Bria nWallaesa , Wallaesa , i s tha t right ? 6 MR . WALLAESA : Wallaes a i s th e 7 correc t name , sir . 8 JUDG E YODER : I'l l tryt o ge t i t 9 right . 1 0 MR . WALLAESA ; That' s okay . 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Okay . FA ADocke t 1 2 CPIOWPOOIO , FDM S No . FAA-2010-06 2 8 . 1 3 O nth e phon e w e hav e fo r th e 1 4 Complainant , Joh nC . Stuart , Jr . , an dw e hav e 1 5 th e Respondent , Bria nWallaesa , appearin g pr o 1 6 se . 1 7 W e als o hav e a cour t reporte r wh o 1 8 wil l transcrib e th e proceeding . Acop yo f th e 1 9 transcrip t automaticall ygoe s t o th e Judg e an d 2 0 t o th e FAA , whic hpay s fo r th e transcript . I f 2 1 yo unee da copy , Mr . Wallaesa , you'l l nee dt o 2 2arrang e tha t wit hth e cour t reporter . 

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th e docket , bu t I can' t tel l yo u 4 jus t ho wlon g tha t wil l be . I thin kit' s 5 suppose dt o b e withi n4 8 hour s o r s o afte r i t 6 i s prepare dbyth e reporter . W e normall yge t 7 eithe r fiv e o r ten-da ytranscript , whic hi s 8 workin g days . And , I ' mno t sur e whic hi s 9 bein g applie dhere . 1 0 Fo r th e reporter' s information , w e 1 1 expec t yo ut o kee p contro l o f th e record , an d 1 2 i f ther e ar e anyquestion s tha t arise , yo u 1 3 don' t understan danywords , yo usto p an das k 1 4 S O w e win dup wit ha transcrip t that' s 1 5 correct . 1 6 Ar e w e clea r o nthat ? 1 7 COUR T REPORTER : Yes , You r Honor . 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Okay , f ine . Al l 1 9 right , let' s proceed . 2 0 Mr . Wallaesa , le t m e jus t clarif y 

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. 20005-370 1 www.nealrgross.co m1 MR . WALLAESA : No , I a mnot .

2 JUDG E YODER : Okay . No wI hav e 3 som e question s fo r th e Complainant . 4 I gues s th e mos t recen t thin g w e 5 receive dfro m th e Complainan t wa s a motio nfo r 6 a hearin g date . Yo ufile dthat ? 7 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . 8 Tha t wa s file do nJul y8th . 9 JUDG E YODER : Tha t wa s file db y 1 0 you , Mr . Stuart ? 1 1 MR . STUART : That' s correct . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : Di dyo ukno wyo u 1 3 file di t fo r th e Administrator ? 1 4 MR . STUART : I se e that . You r 1 5 Honor . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : D o yo ukno wtha t yo u 1 7 don' t represen t th e Administrator ? 1 8 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . 1 9 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Yo ukno wtha t 2 0 yo ufile di t i na cas e calle dBabbit t v . 2 1 Wallaesa ? 2 2 MR . STUART : Okay . I se e that . 

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2suc hcase . Yo ufile da motio nfo r a non-part y 3 i na cas e tha t doesn' t exist . 4 MR . STUART : Yes , I se e it . Yes , 5 You r Honor , I see . 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . I nanyevent , 7 tha t motio nha s bee novertake nby 8 circumstances , bu t i t i s importan t tha t th e 9 peopl e wh o appea r i nthes e proceeding s 1 0 understan dwh o the yar e an dwh o the y 1 1 represent . 1 2 Mr . Wallaesa , fo r you r benefit , 1 3 th e Complainan t her e i s a sectio no f th e FAA . 1 4 I t i s no t th e Administrator . Th e 1 5 Administrato r is , i nfact , th e perso nwh o 1 6 review s th e decisio no f th e ALJ , i f ther e i s 1 7 anyreview , andh e i s th e fina l decisio nmake r 1 8 i nth e case . 1 9 Now , par t o f th e reaso nfo r th e 2 0 confusio ntha t Counse l ha s jus t reflecte di s 2 1 tha t i nsom e case s Mr . Stuar t doe s represen t 2 2 th e Administrator . Whe nh e goe s t o th e NTSB , 

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### 1 it' s a complain t file dbyth e Administrato r

2 agains t th e respondent . And , Mr . Stuar t woul d 3 represen t th e Administrato r i ntha t case . 4 I nth e civi l penalt yproceedings , 5 however , h e doesn' t represen t th e 6 Administrator . Th e Administrato r i s th e 7 ultimat e decisio nmaker . 8 I' m jus t tryin g t o kee p yo uup 9 wit hwha t th e procedura l conversatio ni s 1 0 about . Okay ? 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : I than kyou . I d o 1 2 believe , though , I di dmak e a correctio no n 1 3 tha t point . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Okay . I don' t kno w 1 5 wha t yo umea nbymakin g a correction . 1 6 MR . WALLAESA : I submitte dmy 1 7 documentatio ntha t I submitted , roughly , 1 8 almos t a yea r go , November , Novembe r o f las t 1 9 year . I file dsevera l document s i na packet , 2 0 andon e wa s tha t yo uwer e th e Complainan t 2 1 instea do f th e Administrato r i nth e case . 2 2 JUDG E YODER : Well , let' s see , I' m


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2 Decembe r 2 0 filing ? 3 MR . WALLAESA : I believ e s o - - no , i t woul dhav e bee nearlie r tha nthat . I t woul dhav e bee nearl yNovember .

You r Honor , I se e tha t Mr . Wallaes a file do nNovembe r 15 , 2010 , severa l documents , includin g six . On e wa s a motio nt o 9 dismis s complain t file dJul y28th . Th e secon d 1 0 wa s a nobjectio nt o th e motio nfo r protectiv e 1 1 order , I' mno t sur e i f that ' s th e on e he' s 1 2 referrin g to . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : I t reall ydoesn' t 1 4 matter , Mr . Wallaesa , bu t i f yo ufinda 1 5 referenc e t o th e documen t yo uar e talkin g 1 6 abou t i f yo uca nsuppl ytha t fo r us . 1 7 MR . WALLAESA : I wil l . I 1 8 apologiz e fo r no t havin g i t ready . 1 9 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . Now , 2 0 let' s see . Let' s tak e a loo ka t th e 2 1 violation s allege di nth e complaint , Mr , 2 2Stuart
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allege dfo r failur e t o faste na sea t belt , i s tha t correct ?

MR . STUART : That' s correct . JUDG E YODER : I s ther e a factua l allegatio ni nth e complain t tha t h e faile dt o faste nth e sea t belt ?

MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor , it' s Paragrap h4 unde r Sectio n2 .

JUDG E YODER : Jus t a momen t Wher e doe s i t sa yh e faile dt o faste nth e sea t belt ? MR . STUART : Paragrap h4 says , "Durin g th e flight , whe nth e sea t bel t sig n
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severa l time s b ycre wmember s t o tak e hi s seat , bu t h e refused. "

JUDG E YODER : I se e tha t . M y questio nwas , wher e doe s i t alleg e tha t h e faile dt o faste nth e sea t belt ?

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1 Paragrap h4 . 2 JUDG E YODER : I woul dj us t 3 suggest , sir , tha t whe nyo u ar e drawin g 4 conclusion s base do nallegation s i nth e 5 complaint , yo u nee dt o alleg e wha t yo u ar e 6 proposin g t o conclude . I t neve r say s tha t h e 7 faile dt o faste nhi s sea t belt . I t say s h e 8 refuse dt o tak e hi s seat . 9 MR . STUART : I understand , You r 1 0 Honor
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### 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . 1 2 MR . STUART : I mad e myentr y 1 3 appearanc e i nthi s cas e o nNovembe r 10 , 2010 , 1 4 an dI di dno t fil e thi s complaint . I t wa s 1 5 file dpreviously . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . The nyo u sa y 1 7 tha t h e faile dt o compl ywit ha directio nt o 1 9 tak e hi s seat . That' s th e onl ydirectio ntha t 1 9 - - thi s i s th e onl yparagrap htha t allege s 2 0 anythin g abou t failin g t o tak e hi s seat , i s 2 1 tha t correct ? 2 2MR . STUART : Th e precedin g


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1 paragraph , 3 , states , "Durin g th e passenge r 2 briefin g prio r t o th e flight , th e passenger s 3 wer e advise do f th e regulation s requirin g the m 4 t o compl ywit hth e cre wmembe r instruction s 5 durin g th e flight. " 6 JUDG E YODER : I understan dthat . 7 I s Paragrap h4 th e onl yparagrap hi nth e 8 complain t tha t refer s t o hi s bein g directe db y 9 a cre wmembe r t o d o anything ? 1 0 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Ther e ar e n o othe r 1 2 fact s allege di nth e complain t wit hrespec t t o 1 3 failur e t o compl ywit hinstructions . 1 4 MR . STUART : I t doesn' t appea r 1 5 tha t way . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Ca nyo utel l m e ho w 1 7 yo upropos e t o prov e thes e tw o portion s o f th e 1 8 complaint ? Tha t is , th e failur e t o faste n 1 9 sea t belt , an dfailur e t o follo winstructions . 2 0 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . W e 2 1 hav e witnesse s fro mth e flight , th e fligh t 2 2 attendants , wh o wil l testif ythat , o r ar e


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1 expecte dt o testify , tha t th e passenger s wer e 2 notifie do f th e regulations , includin g th e 3 requiremen t t o faste nth e sea t bel t whe nth e 4 sea t bel t sig ni s on . And , i nParagrap h4 , w e 5 hav e allege dtha t Responden t wa s aske dsevera l 6 time s t o tak e hi s seat , bu t h e refused . Tha t occurre dwhil e th e sea t bel t sig nwa s fastened . So , withi n4 , h e wa s no t i nhi s sea t wit hhi s sea t bel t fastened . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Okay . And , wha t 1 1 cre wmember s d o yo uhav e i nmin dtestifyin g 1 2 wit hrespec t t o thos e tw o matters ? 1 3 MR . STUART : Ther e ar e tw o fligh t 1 4 attendants . On e i s name dWend yMoorman , an d 1 5 th e secon di s name dRober t Dumond . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Yo umentione d 1 7 a numbe r o f witnesse s i nyou r statemen t o f 1 8 witnesse s tha t yo upropos e t o call . Ar e thes e 1 9 th e onl ytw o witnesse s yo upropos e t o call ? 2 0 MR . STUART : W e inten dt o cal l 2 1 thos e tw o witnesses . You r Honor . The nJame s 2 2 Mollica , wh o wa s a noff-dut yU.S . Marshal l wh o


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1 wa s o nth e flight . 2 Th e Complainan t doe s no t inten dt o 3 cal l Ms . PennyGreen . W e d o no t inten dt o 4 cal l her . 5 JUDG E YODER : Okay . 6 MR . STUART : But , w e di dinten dt o cal l th e othe r fou r wh o ar e liste di nth e witnes s lis t an dsummar yo f testimony .

JUDG E YODER : Doe s tha t includ e 1 0 th e woma nwh o i s th e subjec t o f th e protectiv e 1 1 motion ? 1 2 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : D o yo upropos e t o 1 4 cal l he r a s a witnes s withou t namin g her ? 1 5 MR . STUART : O ntha t point , th e 1 6 Complainan t doe s hav e a noutstandin g motio no f 1 7 protectiv e order , base don , yo uknow , th e 1 8 conduc t tha t occurre do nth e aircraft . 1 9 JUDG E YODER : Tha t wa s th e reaso n 2 0 fo r myquestion . D o yo upropos e t o cal l tha t 2 1 perso nwithou t namin g her ? 2 2 MR . STUART : No , You r Honor . W e


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### 1 4 woul dnam e her , an dno wI've bee nmad e awar e tha t Mr . Wallaes a know s he r name . So , i t 3 migh t b e a moo t issue , bu t I kno wtha t th e 4 passenge r doe s no t wan t anyothe r informatio n 5 released , an yothe r o f he r personal 6 informatio nreleased .

MR . WALLAESA : You r Honor , ma yI spea ko nthi s matter ?

JUDG E YODER : Let' s findou t wha t 1 0 he' s sayin g first . 1 1 Wha t othe r informatio nd o yo uhav e 1 2 i nmind ? 1 3 MR . STUART : Suc ha s he r address , 1 4 o r anythin g tha t migh t b e discoverabl e byMr . 1 5 Wallaes a i nth e cours e o f preparin g fo r th e 1 6 hearing . 1 7 JUDG E YODER : Well , i f yo upresen t 1 8 he r fo r - - a s a witness , yo uar e goin g t o - - 1 9 she' s goin g t o b e subjec t t o cros s 2 0 examination . 2 1 MR . STUART : Yes . 2 2 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uhav e i nmin d



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ar e jus t intereste di nprotectin g he r persona l address , an dhe r contac t information .

JUDG E YODER : And , yo udon' t propos e t o as khe r addres s whe nyo uidentif y he r a s a witness ?

MR . STUART : Well , give nth e circumstance s o f th e case , sh e ha s requeste d tha t Mr . Wallaes a no t kno whe r persona l addres s o r an yothe r information . S o - -

JUDG E YODER : Mr . Stuart , I didn' t

as kyo uwha t she' s requested .

MR . WALLAESA : You r Honor , ma yI speak ? JUDG E YODER : I' maskin g wha t yo u propos e t o d o i npresentin g you r case .

MR . STUART : I f ther e wa s som e wa y t o kee p he r addres s private .

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1 it' s goin g t o com e fro myou . And , s o fa r yo u 2 hav e file da motio nfo r protectiv e order , th e 3 style dmotio nb yth e Administrator , who , o f 4 course , can' t fil e anythin g i nthes e 5 proceedings . And , o f course , yo udon' t 6 represen t him . 7 And , tha t motio nrefer s t o 8 sexuall yexplici t comments . Ar e thos e i n 9 eithe r o f th e statement s tha t yo usubmitte d 1 0 wit hth e motion ? 1 1 MR . STUART : I believ e so , You r 1 2 Honor . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uwan t t o poin t 1 4 tha t ou t t o me ? 1 5 MR . STUART : On e moment . 1 6 MR . WALLAESA : You r Honor , ma yI 1 7 spea ko nthi s matter ? 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Well , wh ydon' t yo u 1 9 jus t wai t a moment , Mr . Wallaesa . W e ar e 2 0 goin g t o ge t aroun dt o you . 2 1 MR . WALLAESA : N o problem . I 2 2 alread yhav e th e address . 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 address . JUDG E YODER : Yo ualread yhav e th e

MR . WALLAESA : Yes . I alread y hav e he r name , address , phon e number .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . Di dyo uhea r that , Mr . Stuart ?

MR . STUART : I did , You r Honor . The nthi s seem s t o b e a moo t issu e then , wit h th e protectiv e orde r tha t is .

MR . WALLAESA : Ther e wa s als o a crimina l tria l an dthroug hdiscover yi nth e crimina l tria l tha t informatio nwa s released .

JUDG E YODER : I' msorry , yo umean , ther e wa s a crimina l proceedin g wit hrespec t t o thi s case , wit hrespec t t o th e fact s involve di nthi s case ?

MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Wer e yo uawar e o f that , Mr . Stuart ?

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2 I nou r case , w e ar e allegin g 3 separat e charges . 4 JUDG E YODER : I' msur e o f that , 5 Mr . Stuart . 6 Yo udon' t thin ktha t anyo f th e 7 fact s tha t cam e up i ntha t crimina l proceedin g 8 migh t b e relevan t i nthi s case ? 9 MR . STUART : No , You r Honor . I 1 0 thin ktha t th e fact s woul db e relevant , t o 1 1 som e extent . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : I see , bu t yo u 1 3 didn' t thin kyo uneede dt o tel l u s abou t that ? 1 4 MR . STUART : Well , I certainl y 1 5 woul dhav e gotte nt o it . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Stuart , let' s b e 1 7 clear . I f thi s i s goin g t o a hearing , yo u 1 8 wil l provid e fo r th e recor dth e entir e recor d 1 9 fro m

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JUDG E YODER : Di dyo ueve r certif y a recor dfo r a nappeal ?

MR . STUART : Ca nyo usa ytha t again . You r Honor ?

JUDG E YODER : Hav e yo ueve r certifie da recor dfo r appeal ?

MR . STUART : I don' t kno wtha t I have . JUDG E YODER : Okay . Well , basically , it' s th e sam e kin do f thing . Yo u nee dt o provid e m e wit hever yscra p o f pape r tha t wa s involve di ntha t proceeding .

No war e w e clear ? MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : Okay . D o yo ukno w ho wtha t proceedin g cam e out .

MR . STUART : No . JUDG E YODER : It ' s a publi c

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1 proceeding , right ? 2 MR . STUART : Yes . I believ e h e 3 wa s acquitte do nth e charges . 4 JUDG E YODER ; Wha t wer e th e 5 charges ? 6 MR . STUART : Th e charge s wer e 7 interferin g wit ha fligh t cre wmember , an di t 8 wa s 4 9 us e 4650 4 wa s charged , an dthe n1 8 US C 9 1114 , assault , resistin g o r impedin g certai n 1 0 officers , wa s als o charged . 1 1 JUDG E YODER : I see . Wa s ther e a 1 2 writte ndecisio ni nth e case ? 1 3 MR . STUART : I' mno t - - I' mno t 1 4 sure . You r Honor . 1 5 JUDG E YODER : Wa s i t a jur ytrial ? 1 6 MR . STUART : I t wa s a jur ytrial . 1 7 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Al l right . 1 8 Whe nwa s tha t begun ? 1 9 MR . STUART : Tha t wa s i nDecember , 2 01 believ e mi dDecembe r o f 2010 . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : Whe ndi di t end ? 2 2 MR . STUART : I t wa s - - I thin ki t



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1 wa s a tw o day , tw o o r thre e da ytrial . 2 JUDG E YODER : Yo umea ni t starte d 3 i nDecembe r andwa s trie dwithi ntw o days ? 4 MR . STUART : I believ e i t wa s trie dwithi na wee ka t th e most ,

JUDG E YODER : Withi na wee kafte r th e complain t wa s filed ?

MR . WALLAESA : No . 9 MR . STUART : Ther e wa s a separat e 1 0 1 1 JUDG E YODER : I aske dyo uwhe nth e 1 2 proceedin g began . 1 3 MR . STUART : - - I' m- - 1 4 JUDG E YODER : No t whe nth e tria l 1 5 began , whe ndi dth e proceedin g begin ? 1 6 MR . STUART : D o yo umea nth e 1 7 crimina l proceedin g o r th e - - 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Yes , sir , that' s 1 9 wha t I mean . 2 0 MR . STUART : I' mno t - - I' mno t 

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MR . WALLAESA : Th e 15t ho f Novembe r o f 2009 . 4 JUDG E YODER : Okay , Novembe r 15th , 5 2009 . And , ho wdi dyo uhea r o f it ? 6 MR . WALLAESA : I t wa s - - I wa s 7 arraigne di nLa s Vega s a t tha t time . 8 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Now , Mr , 9 Stuart , you r motio nfo r protectiv e orde r als o 1 0: relie s o n13.22 0o f 1 4CFR ? 

### 1 1 MR . STUART : 13.220 ? 1 2 JUDG E YODER : Yes , sir . 1 3 MR . STUART : Yes . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Yo udi dfil e tha t 1 5 motion , Mr . Stuart , i s tha t correct ? 1 6 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor , sur e 1 7 did . 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Paragrap h5 ? 1 9 MR . STUART : Yes . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : D o yo ukno wtha t 

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1 motio nfo r protectiv e order ? 2 MR . STUART : Yes , I se e that . 3 JUDG E YODER : Di danyon e fil e a 4 reques t fo r discover yhere ? Correction , di d 5 Mr . Wallaes a fil e a reques t fo r discover y 6 here ? 7 MR . STUART : H e ha dpreviousl y file da discover yschedule . 9 JUDG E YODER : Di dh e fil e a 1 0 reques t fo r discovery ? 1 1 MR . STUART : But , no , no t a 1 2 request . You r Honor . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Let' s loo ka t 1 4 th e penalt yaspec t o f thi s case . Ca nyo utel l 1 5 m e ho wth e penalt ywa s calculated ? 1 6 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . 1 7 Unde r ou r Statute , he' s subjec t t o a maximum 1 8 penalt yo f $11,000 , an dth e Complainan t wen t 1 9 ou t wit ha $5,50 0 civi l penalty . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : Ho wman yviolation s 2 1 ar e yo ualleging ? 2 2 MR . STUART : Well , w e ar e allegin g



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 i nth e complain t thre e violations . You r Honor ,

th e 1 4 CF R121.580 .

JUDG E YODER : I se e th e complaint , Mr . Stuart , yo udon' t hav e t o rea di t back . Ther e ar e thre e violation s alleged ?

MR . STUART : Ther e ar e thre e violations , yes .

JUDG E YODER : And , a maximumo f $1,10 0 fo r each , $11,00 0 fo r each ? Or , ar e yo usayin g it' s a maximumo f $11,00 0 fo r al l three ? MR . STUART : It' s - - i t woul db e a maximumo f $11,00 0 fo r eac hviolation .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . Now , ca nyo u tel l m e ho wyo ucalculate dth e penalty , propose dpenalty ?

MR . STUART : You r Honor , give nth e maximum

o f $11,000 , an dagain , I mad e my initia l appearanc e afte r th e sanctio nha dbee n calculated . Bu t - -

JUDG E YODER : That' s no t goin g t o b e answe r a t th e hearing , Mr . Stuart .

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MR . STUART : Righ t . Yes , You r Honor . W e referenc e ou r sanctio n 4 guidance , an dw e decide dtha t tha t woul db e a n 5 appropriat e penalty . 6 JUDG E YODER : That' s no t goin g t o 7 b e answe r either , Mr . Stuart . Yo uar e goin g t o hav e t o tel l m e ho wyo uarrive da t thi s 9 penalt ylevel . Yo uar e sayin g yo ujus t picke d 1 0 ou t a numbe r ou t o f th e ai r becaus e yo uha d 1 1 thre e penalties . I s tha t wha t yo uar e saying ? 1 2 MR . STUART : No , You r Honor , w e 1 3 coul dhav e gon e ou t wit ha muc hhighe r penalt y 1 4 tha nw e did . 1 5 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Stuart , I' mno t 1 6 askin g yo uwha t yo ucoul dhav e done . I' m 1 7 askin g yo uwha t yo udid , an di f yo udon' t kno w 1 8 wha t yo udi dthe nyo unee dt o hav e someon e o n 1 9 th e phon e wh o doe s know . That' s whyw e hav e 2 0 pre-hearin g conferences , t o findou t wha t i s 2 1 a t issue . 2 2 D o yo uunderstand ?



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1 MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . I 2 kno wtha t w e ca ng o ou t with , yo uknow , up t o 3 $11,00 0 unde r ou r sanctio nguidanc e andunde r 4 th e Statute . An d- - 5 JUDG E YODER : I don' t kno wwha t 6 yo umea nbywha t yo ujus t said , Mr . Stuart . 7 Ther e ar e thre e violations , $11,00 0 each . 8 Tha t woul db e $33,000 . Ar e yo utellin g m e 9 tha t yo uonl yhav e on e violation ^ o r tha t yo u 1 0 Ca nonl yg o ou t fo r $11,00 0 o nthre e 1 1 violations , unde r you r guidelines ? 1 2 MR . STUART : You r Honor , w e - - 1 3 ther e ar e thre e violation s here , andeac hon e 1 4 W e coul dhav e gon e ou t fo r $11 , 00 0 a s a 1 5 maximum . But , w e use dou r discretio nt o 1 6 arriv e a t th e civi l penalty , an d- - 1 7 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Stuart , relyin g 1 8 O nyou r discretio ndoesn' t hel p me , whe ni t 1 9 Come s t o tellin g m e ho wyou'v e calculate da 2 0 penalty . I nee dt o kno who wmuc ho f thi s 2 1 penalt yrelate s t o eac ho f th e allege d 2 2 violations . Ca nyo utel l m e that ?



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1 N o i s a nanswer , i f that ' s you r 2 answer . I t won' t b e a satisfactor yanswe r a t 3 th e hearing , i f ther e i s a hearing . But , i f 4 yo udon' t know , sayyo udon' t know . 5 MR . STUART : Well , You r Honor , I 6 don' t kno wothe r tha nw e wen t ou t belo wth e 7 maximum , andI don' t kno wtha t I ca nassig na n 8 amoun t t o eac hviolation . 9 JUDG E YODER : Well , i t ma yb e tha t 1 0 yo ucan' t righ t now , bu t yo uar e goin g t o nee d 1 1 to , andyo ushoul db e abl e t o now . That' s why 1 2 w e hav e th e pre-hearin g conference . 1 3 D o yo uunderstand ? 1 4 MR . STUART : Yes . 1 5 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . Now , di d 1 6 yo ud o an yresearc ho nprecedent s fo r thi s 1 7 leve l o f penalty ? 1 8 MR . STUART : You r Honor , I di d 1 9 loo kint o som e o f th e factua l allegations , bu t 2 0 no t th e - - 

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. Di dyo u loo ka t an ypreviou s proceedings ?

MR . STUART : Yes , You r Honor . I looke dat , one , fo r example , woul db e FF Av Davi dStout . Tha t wa s a cas e fro m1998 , an d i t involve dsimila r violations .

JUDG E YODER : What' s th e citation ? MR . STUART : It' s FA AOrde r N o 98-12 . JUDG E YODER : Okay . Al l right .

I f thi s hearin g - - i f thi s goe s t o hearing , yo uwil l nee dt o brie f th e compose d leve l o f civi l penalty . Le t m e jus t aler t yo u t o thre e case s o f whic hI a maware . Okay ?

MR . STUART : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Ther e i s Digenova , D-I-G-E-N-O-V-A , whic hi s a 200 7 case . I t i s CP07WP007 . MR . STUART : Okay .

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Adocke t numbe r goo denoug h fo r you ? MR . STUART : Yes , sir , tha t wil l b e fine. JUDG E YODER : Okay . Ther e i s a Sarl i case , S-A-R-L-I . Tha t wa s a smokin g case , wit ha penalt yo f $2,200 , smokin g i nth e lav . An dthe nther e wa s a Schwage r case , S-C-H-W-A-G-E-R . Tha t wa s a nattemp t t o ope na cockpi t door , andtha t wa s a $5,00 0 penalty . Th e Schwage r cas e wa s CP06SW0010 .

Sarl i wa s CP09AL0006 . Okay ? MR . STUART : Go t it . JUDG E YODER : Okay . Al l right . Well , let' s mov e on . Mr . Wallaesa . MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . JUDG E YODER : Thi s i s you r chance . W e ha dsom e troubl e gettin g document s t o you ?



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MR . WALLAESA : No . JUDG E YODER : I se e i nth e fil e 3 tha t ther e wer e thre e attempt s mad e t o delive r 4 document s tha t weren' t claimed . 5 MR . WALLAESA : Throug hth e FA Ao r 6 throug h- - 7 JUDG E YODER : Delivere dt o you , certifie dreceip t requested .

MR . WALLAESA : I' mno t sur e o f 1 0 that . I don' t kno wi f - - 1 1 JUDG E YODER : D o yo upic kup you r 1 2 mai l whe nit' s sen t t o yo ucertified ? 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Di dyo uprovid e Mr . 1 5 Wallaes a wit hth e informatio ntha t you'v e 1 6 provide dme . Mr . Stuart ? 1 7 MR . STUART : Th e lates t document s 1 8 I sen t t o you . You r Honor ? 1 9 JUDG E YODER : No , al l th e 2 0 document s yo usen t t o me . 2 1 MR . STUART : Yes , I've provide d- - 2 2 yo uaske dfo r th e discover ydocument s tha t I


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1 ha dsen t t o Respondent , bu t ha dno t sen t t o 2 You r Honor , whic h- - so , yes . Responden t ha s 3 receive dthose . 4 MR . WALLAESA : Ther e wer e th e las t 5 thre e documents , You r Honor , tha t wer e no t 6 included . Yo uwer e no t include do nth e 7 recipien t list , an dI refuse dt o ente r any 8 request s o nthos e document s becaus e yo uwer e 9 no t copie do nth e list . 1 0 MR . STUART : You r Hono r - - 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Wha t document s ar e 1 2 yo ureferrin g to , Mr . Wallaesa? 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : Yo uha dsen t a n 1 4 orde r ou t tha t anydocumentatio nmus t cop yth e 1 5 FA

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1 MR . STUART : You r Honor , Mr . 2 Wallaes a wouldn' t hav e know ntha t i f h e hadn' t opene dth e mail , o r claime dth e mail .

I hav e returne dfro mMr . Wallaes a 5 th e motio nfo r protectiv e order , th e lette r 6 fro m

Jun e 17th , th e lette r I sen t date dJun e 7 27th . JUDG E YODER : I hav e a Novembe r 1 5 9 documen t tha t reflect s no ndelivery , Novembe r 1 0 15 , 2010 . D o yo uhav e that , Mr . Stuart ? 1 1 MR . STUART : Woul dtha t b e - - 1 2 woul dtha t b e th e Complainant' s - - th e witnes s 1 3 lis t an dsummar yo f testimon ytha t w e serve d 1 4 o nth e Respondent ? 1 5 JUDG E YODER : I f i t ha s a Novembe r 1 6 1 5 non-deliver ycertificat e attached , i t woul d 1 7 be . Th e on e I' mreferrin g t o i s on e tha t ha s 1 8 a Novembe r 15 , 201 0 non-deliver ycertificate . 1 9 MR . STUART : Okay . Fro mtha t date , 2 0 I hav e th e witnes s lis t an dsummar yo f 2 1 testimon ytha t I originall ysen t t o Mr . 2 2 Wallaesa . And , I' mshowin g tha t h e receive d



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1 that . 2 I hav e th e gree ncertifie dretur n 3 receip t car dtha t ha s bee nsigned . 4 JUDG E YODER : Date dNovembe r 15th ? 5 MR . STUART : Novembe r 15th . 6 JUDG E YODER : Subsequen t t o then ? 7 Or , yo uhav e th e on e fro mNovembe r 1 5 t h 8 returne dreceip t signed ? 9 MR . STUART : Th e documen t fro m 1 0 Novembe r 15t hha s a signe dretur nreceipt . I t 1 1 wa s tha t on e tha t You r Hono r wa s askin g about . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : Yes . Ho wabou t th e 1 3 Jun e 1 8 an dJun e 28 ? 1 4 MR . STUART : No , thos e wer e 1 5 returned . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : And , wha t di dthe y 1 7 relat e to ? 1 8 MR . STUART : Thos e wer e th e - - 1 9 thos e wer e letter s tryin g t o finis hth e 2 0 discover yprocess , i nwhic hI tol dMr . 2 1 Wallaes a tha t I ha dgive nhi m- - ha dalread y 2 2 give nhi mou r discovery , tha t a t tha t poin t h e


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1 ha dno t serve danydiscover yrequest s o nme , 2 andpleas e le t m e kno wi f h e ha danydiscover y 3 request s o f me . 4 JUDG E YODER : What' s th e dat e o f 5 tha t letter ? 6 MR . STUART : Jun e 17t hwa s th e 7 firs t lette r tha t I sent , andJun e 27t hwa s 8 th e secon dletter . 9 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Di dh e eve r 1 0 ge t those ? 1 1 MR . STUART : No t tha t I ca ntell , 1 2 becaus e I hav e th e retur nenvelope s here . 1 3 The ywer e liste da s unclaimed . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Wallaesa , ca n 1 5 yo utel l m e whythes e wer e unclaimed ? 1 6 MR . WALLAESA : I' mno t sur e abou t 1 7 th e documents , You r Honor . Al l I kno wi s tha t 1 8 ther e wer e severa l attempt s from , I believ e i t 1 9 a s Mr . Stuart , t o contac t m e withou t copyin g 2 0 You r Hono r o nth e file s an dth e documentation . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Wallaesa , thes e 2 2 ar e envelope s tha t wer e sen t t o yo utha t wer e



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1 i t wa s fro mMr . Stuar t o r no t fro m Mr . Stuart , 2 ther e wa s attempt s t o mak e communicatio nwit h 3 m e outsid e o f copyin g th e judge , yourself , o n 4 th e documentation . 5 JUDG E YODER : Well , I don' t kno w 6 wha t yo uar e referring , Mr . Wallaesa , bu t i f 7 yo uhav e suc h--i f yo uhav e evidenc e o f suc h 8 attempt s yo unee dt o le t m e hav e them . 9 MR . STUART : You r Honor , I don' t 1 0 thin kh e does , becaus e I hav e al l th e returne d 1 1 envelopes . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : I understan dthat . 1 3 Mr . Wallaesa , I shoul dmentio n 1 4 tha t a s th e Responden t appearin g pr o s e i n 1 5 thi s proceeding , yo unee dt o understan dtha t 1 6 whil e yo uaren' t unde r oat hthing s tha t yo u 1 7 sayd o becom e par t o f th e recor di nth e 1 8 proceeding . 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : I full yunderstand , 2 0 You r Honor . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : And , consequently , 2 2 thing s tha t yo usa yca nb e use di nth e hearin g



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1 proceeding , whic hca nb e use di nth e 2 proceedin g i nwhateve r wa yi s appropriate . 3 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' m saying ? 4 MR . WALLAESA : I d o understand , 5 You r Honor . 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Well , yo u 7 understan dtha t whe nyo uge t document s i nthi s 8 proceeding , i t i s no t satisfactor yt o refus e 9 t o receiv e them . 1 0 MR . WALLAESA : I d o understan d 1 1 that . You r Honor . Th e onl ythin g I ca noffe r 1 2 i s tha t whe ninformatio ni s delivere dt o m e 1 3 vi a mail , th e posta l officia l place s th e 1 4 receip t o r th e document , whateve r yo ucalle d 1 5 th e littl e card , i f I hav e somethin g t o pic k 1 6 up , betwee nth e fram e o f mydoo r an dmyfron t 1 7 door . And , m yfron t doo r i s expose dt o th e 1 8 elements , an dI coul dhav e los t on e o r two , 1 9 andthat' s th e onl ythin g I ca ngive . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Wallaesa , wer e 2 1 yo urepresente dbycounse l i nyou r crimina l 2 2 trial ?



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MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I was . 2 JUDG E YODER : But , yo uar e no t 3 represente db ycounse l now . 4 MR . WALLAESA : No , I a mnot . 5 JUDG E YODER : And , yo uhaven' t 6 bee nrepresente db ycounse l a t an ytim e i nth e 7 cours e o f thi s proceeding . MR . WALLAESA : No , I hav e not . 9 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . Now , w e 1 0 ha da numbe r o f thing s file db yyou . On e wa s 1 1 t o dismis s th e complaint . 1 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : Becaus e i t wa s mor e 1 4 tha n2 0 day s afte r th e reques t fo r hearing . 1 5 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : And , i ntha t motio n 1 7 yo ustate dtha t th e tim e perio dbega no nJul y 1 8 1 4 an dende do nJul y24 . 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : So , i t wa s mor e tha n 2 1 2 0 days . 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : Uh-huh . 

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1 JUDG E YODER : Yo ucan' t sa yuh

2 huh , you'v e go t t o answe r orally , w e can' t - - 3 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . Yes , You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : Okay . So , Jul y1 4 t o Jul y2 4 i s 2 0 days ?

MR . WALLAESA : No , i t i s not , i t i s te ndays .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . So , tha t 1 0 motion , I gather , i s withdrawn . 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I'l l withdra w 1 2 that . That' s a mistak e o nmypart , an dI 1 3 apologiz e fo r that . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Okay . I jus t wan t 1 5 t o clea r up al l thes e outstandin g things . 1 6 The nyo ufile da motio nfo r 1 7 extensio no f time , andI thin kw e already 1 8 denie dthat , becaus e yo udidn' t nee d- - yo u 1 9 didn' t nee dth e extensio no f time , becaus e 2 0 ther e wasn' t anytim e perio destablished . I s 2 1 tha t right ? MR . WALLAESA : Tha t i s correct . 

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1 JUDG E YODER : Now , th e othe r cas e 2 tha t yo ureferre dt o i nyou r motio nfo r 3 extensio no f time , wa s tha t th e crimina l 4 proceedin g tha t yo ujus t described ? 5 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 6 And , le t m e mak e a correctio no nthat . 7 JUDG E YODER : Yes . MR . WALLAESA : I gav e yo uth e
wron g - - incorrec t informatio no nth e dates , th e dat e tha t I receive dth e information . Th e
correc t date s ar e Novembe r 9 , 200 9 i nth e beginning , an dth e tria l wa s Decembe r 13t h throug hth e 16th , 2010 .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . Al l right . The nw e hav e th e questio no f you r filin g you r
answe r i nthi s proceeding . And , m y understandin g i s tha t yo usai dyo ufile da lat e answe r becaus e yo umisunderstoo dm y order . MR . WALLAESA : Ar e yo uspeakin g abou t th e - -

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1 you r answe r t o th e complaint . 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , i nSeptembe r 3 o f 2010 ? Augus t o r Septembe r o f 2010 . 4 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Tha t wa s 5 receive db yu s Septembe r 20 , an ddate d 6 Septembe r 17th . MR . WALLAESA : Tha t probabl ywoul d hav e bee ncorrect , yes . 9 JUDG E YODER : So , yo urecogniz e 1 0tha t tha t answe r wa s late
. 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : I di dno t believ e 1 2 i t wa s late , You r Honor . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : Oh . D o yo ustil l 1 4 thin km yorde r sai dyo ucoul dfil e i t b ytha t 1 5 date ? 1 6 MR . WALLAESA : I' msorry , sir ? 1 7 JUDG E YODER : D o yo ustil l thin k 1 8 m yorde r sai dyo ucoul dfil e i t b ytha t date ? 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : Well , o f course , m y 2 1 orde r didn' t sa ytha t yo ucoul dfil e b ytha t 

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1 referre dt o filin g i t withi n3 0 day s afte r 2 service . 3 D o yo uhav e m yorder ? 4 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . Hol do n 5 on e second , You r Honor . 6 JUDG E YODER : Loo ka t pag e 1 o f 7 th e order . MR . WALLAESA : I' msorry , You r 9 Honor . I hav e th e response , bu t I' mno t - - I 1 0 don' t se e - - 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Well , tha t wa s a n 1 2 orde r serve dAugus t 20 , 2010 . Th e firs t pag e 1 3 o f tha t orde r refer s t o th e Rule s o f Practic e 1 4 an dsay s tha t th e rule s provid e tha t th e 1 5 Responden t mus t fil e a writte nanswe r withi n 1 6 3 0 day s afte r servic e o f th e complaint . 1 7 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . I wa s 1 8 confuse dabou t th e - - I' msorry . You r Honor . 1 9 JUDG E YODER : Now , pag e 2 say s 2 0 tha t o no r befor e Septembe r 2 0 yo uha dt o fil e 2 1 an yamendmen t o f th e complain t o r answer . 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : Right , an dI too k



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1 tha t a s th e filin g date . 2 JUDG E YODER : Yo utoo ktha t wrong . 3 Okay . I j us t wante dyo ut o b e clear . You r 4 answe r wa s late , an dthere' s nothin g ambiguou s 5 abou t th e order . But , let' s pres s o nan dse e 6 wha t w e d o wit hyou r answer . 7 I' mgoin g t o hol da decisio no n 8 whethe r you r answe r wa s lat e unti l w e complet e 9 thes e pre-hearin g discussions . 1 0 Now , you r answer , di dyo ub y 1 1 chanc e rea dth e regulation s wit hrespec t t o 1 2 ho wyo uha dt o answe r th e complaint ? 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : I f I can , i f you'l l 1 4 allo wm e a second . You r Honor , I d o hav e the m 1 5 i nfron t o f me . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Wha t I mean t was , 1 7 di dyo urea dthe ma t th e tim e befor e yo ufile d 1 8 you r answer ? 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : I' msorry , sir ? 2 0 JUDG E YODER : Wha t I mean t was , 2 1 di dyo urea dthe ma t th e tim e befor e yo ufile d 

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1 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I did . 2 JUDG E YODER : Yo udid ? 3 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I did . You r 4 Honor . I rea dth e regulations , an dthat' s 5 wha t mad e m e believ e - - I believ e I di dwrit e 6 tha t i nmyresponse . 7 JUDG E YODER : Wei1 , on e o f th e provision s i nth e regulation s i s tha t yo uhav e 9 t o respon dt o eac hallegatio ni nth e 1 0 complaint . And , on e o f th e problem s wit hyou r 1 1 answe r i s tha t yo udidn't . 1 2 Wha t w e ar e goin g t o tryt o d o i s 1 3 ge t you r respons e t o eac ho f thos e 1 4 allegations . Wha t you'v e don e i s t o repea t th e 1 5 firs t allegation , which , essentially , 1 6 constitute s a nadmissio no f tha t allegation . 1 7 The nth e secon dparagrap hsay s 1 8 the ywer e operatin g unde r Par t 12 1 o f th e 1 9 Federa l Aviatio nRegulations . Yo udidn' t say 2 0 anythin g abou t tha t allegation , s o unde r th e 2 1 rule s tha t effectivel yi s a nadmissio no f tha t 2 2allegation
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1 D o yo uhav e an yproble mwit htha t 2 allegation ? 3 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . 4 JUDG E YODER : What' s you r problem ? 5 MR . WALLAESA : Whic hallegatio n 6 wa s that , You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : "O nth e abov e occasion . Southwes t Airline s Fligh t 3 0 4 9 wa s operatin g unde r Par t 12 1 o f th e Federa l 1 0 Aviatio nRegulations. " 1 1 D o yo uhav e an yproble mwit htha t 1 2 allegation ? 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : I thin kI do . You r 14 Honor , base do nth e researc hI ha ddone . I d o 1 5 no t hav e tha t i nfron t o f me . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Yo uwan t t o den y 1 7 tha t allegation ? 1 8 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . 1 9 JUDG E YODER : But , yo udidn ' t d o 2 0 so . D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ? 2 1 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . You r 2 2 Honor . 

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1 JUDG E YODER : Failin g t o d o s o 2 means , i neffect , yo uadmitte dit . 3 Now , Paragrap h3 says , "Durin g th e 4 passenge r briefin g prio r t o th e flight , 5 passenger s wer e advise do f th e regulation s 6 requirin g the m t o compl ywit hcre wmembe r 7 instruction s durin g th e flight. " 8 D o yo uagre e wit htha t allegation ? 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Yo udo
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1 JUDG E YODER : Di dyo uanswe r tha t 2 allegatio ni nyou r answer ? 3 MR . WALLAESA : Sorry ? 4 JUDG E YODER : Yo udidn' t answe r 5 tha t i nyou r answe r t o th e complaint , s o 6 failin g t o answe r i t woul deffectivel ymea n 7 yo uadmitte dtha t allegation .

I s tha t true , wer e yo uaske d
severa l time s t o tak e you r seat ? Let' s tak e 1 0 i t on e piec e a t a time. Wer e yo uaske dby 1 1 cre wmember s severa l time s t o tak e you r sea t 1 2 whil e th e sea t bel t ligh t wa s on ? 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : I wa s aske dt o tak e 1 4 mysea t severa l times . I d o no t kno wi f th e 1 5 sea t bel t sig nwa s o no r not . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Al l right . 1 7 And , whe nthe yaske dyo ut o tak e 1 8 you r seat , di dyo urefuse ? 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : I d o no t believ e I 2 0 refused . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : Well , di dyo utak e 2 2 you r sea t eac htim e the yaske dyo ut o tak e


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1 you r seat ? 2 MR . WALLAESA : I too kmysea t 3 severa l times . 4 JUDG E YODER : I thin kwha t I aske d 5 yo uwas , di dyo utak e you r sea t eac htim e the y 6 aske dyo ut o tak e you r seat ? 7 MR . WALLAESA : I believ e so . 8 JUDG E YODER : Yo ubeliev e yo udid . 9 Al l right . 1 0 So , wha t I' mwritin g i nher e i s 1 1 tha t yo uar e denyin g knowledg e o r informatio n 1 2 a s t o whethe r th e sea t bel t sig nwa s lit , and 1 3 tha t yo uar e denyin g tha t - - an dyo uar e 1 4 admittin g yo uwer e aske dsevera l time s t o tak e 1 5 you r seat , bu t yo uar e denyin g tha t yo u 1 6 refused . 1 7 Mr . Wallaesa , that's , o f course , 1 8 no t wha t yo usai di nyou r answer . I nfact , i n 1 9 you r answe r yo udidn' t disagre e wit htha t 2 0 statemen t a t all , whic hconstitute s a n 2 1 admissio no f tha t allegation . 2 2 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ?

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MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 2 JUDG E YODER : Okay . 3 MR . WALLAESA : Th e wa yyo uhav e 4 broke ni t up andplace dit , that' s wha t - - 5 JUDG E YODER : That' s wha t yo u 6 woul dlik e t o d o i f yo uha da chanc e t o d o it , 7 bu t yo udidn't . 8 MR . WALLAESA : No , no , no . No , no . 9 That' s wha t I believ e happened . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : No , I understan d 1 1 that . That' s wha t yo uwoul dlik e t o alleg e 1 2 wit hrespec t t o th e complaint , i f yo uha da n 1 3 opportunit yt o d o so , bu t yo udi dno t d o i t i n 1 4 you r answer . 1 5 MR . WALLAESA : Okay . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Thi s i s why 1 7 sometime s som e peopl e ge t attorney s t o 1 8 represen t them . 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . An dthe n 

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2 And , i nyou r respons e yo usay , i n 3 you r reques t fo r assistanc e yo udi dno t 4 interfer e wit hth e performanc e o f th e duties . 5 That' s wha t w e cal l a non-matchin g answer , Mr . 6 Wallaesa . 7 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ? 8 MR . WALLAESA : No , I d o no t 9 understan dwha t yo uar e saying . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Wha t the y 1 1 allege dwa s tha t i ndoin g thes e thing s up her e 1 2 yo uinterfere dwit hth e performanc e o f th e 1 3 cre wmembers ' duties . 1 4 And , wha t yo usai di s that , i n 1 5 askin g fo r assistanc e yo udidn' t interfere . 1 6 MR . WALLAESA : Correct . 1 7 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Tha t leave s 1 8 th e othe r questio nhanging , s o yo usor t o f 1 9 hal f answere dthi s question , bu t no t 2 0 completely . 2 1 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ? 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 

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1 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . Sinc e 2 yo usa yyo udidn' t d o o r didn' t kno wwhethe r 3 yo udi dth e thing s i nth e previou s paragraph , 4 tha t sor t o f addresse s th e sam e question . 5 Now , yo uhav e alread ysubmitte d 6 somethin g wit hrespec t t o whethe r yo uha dan y 7 witnesse s t o call . 8 MR . WALLAESA : That' s correct . 9 JUDG E YODER : Yo usai dyo uha dn o 1 0 witnesses ? 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : M ywitnesse s ar e 1 2 th e sam e witnesse s a s th e Complainant . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : But , yo ufile d 1 4 somethin g sayin g yo udidn' t hav e an y 1 5 witnesses . I s tha t right ? 1 6 MR . WALLAESA : Tha t i s correct . 1 7 JUDG E YODER : Yo udon' t propos e t o 1 8 b e witnes s i nthi s proceeding ? 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor , 2 0 bu t I' mals o th e Respondent . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : Yo udidn' t identif y 2 2 yoursel f a s a witnes s tha t yo uwer e goin g t o


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### call . MR . WALLAESA : No , I di dnot . 3 JUDG E YODER : Tha t yo uweren' t 4 goin g t o cal l an ywitnesses . 5 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ? 6 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : Yo udidn' t cal l an y witnesses . The ywoul dbrin g thei r witnesses . 9 The ywoul dpresen t thei r case , an dthe nthe y 1 0 woul drest , an dyo uwoul dpresen t n o witnesse s 1 1 an dyo uwoul dlose . 1 2 D o yo uunderstand ? 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . Or , yo u 1 5 migh t no t lose , the ymigh t d o a lous yjob , bu t 1 6 they'v e alread yfile dtw o statement s a s t o 1 7 wha t thei r peopl e ar e goin g t o testif yto . 1 8 D o yo uhav e thos e documents ? 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : I believ e I do , 2 0 sir , yes . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uhav e the mi n 2 2 fron t o f you ?



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1 MR . WALLAESA : I hav e everythin g 2 i nfron t o f me , You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : That' s no t a 4 response . D o yo uhav e a document , Attachmen t 5 At o th e motio nfo r protectiv e order , date d 6 Decembe r 3 , 2009 , t o who mi t ma yconcern , and , 7 apparently , submitte dby ' a nFB I agent . 8 MR . WALLAESA : Jame s Mollica , sir ? 9 JUDG E YODER : Well , m ycop yha s - - 1 0 oh , no , excus e me , that' s th e - - that' s b yth e 1 1 - - that' s b yth e passenger . Excus e me . 1 2 Decembe r 3 , that' s b yth e 1 3 passenger . D o yo uhav e tha t document ? 1 4 MR . WALLAESA : I foun dth e 1 5 documen t fo r th e Administrato r whic hlist s th e 1 6 summar yo f testimony . 1 7 JUDG E YODER : No , I' mtalkin g 1 8 abou t th e woma nwh o yo utalke dwit ho nth e 1 9 plane . D o yo uhav e he r statement ? 2 0 MR . WALLAESA : I a mcurrentl y 2 1 lookin g fo r that . You r Honor . Yes , I hav e i t 2 2 righ t here . 

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1 JUDG E YODER : Di dsh e appea r i n 2 th e crimina l trial ?

MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sh e did . 4 JUDG E YODER : Di dsh e testify ? 5 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sh e did .

JUDG E YODER : Well , di dsh e testif ysubstantiall yalon g th e line s tha t ar e state di nthi s statement . Attachmen t A ?

MR . WALLAESA : It' s bee na whil e 1 0 sinc e I rea dit . I' mjus t skimmin g ove r i t no w 1 1 t o confir mo r denythat . 1 2 Slightl ydifferent , bu t prett y 1 3 close . Ther e wer e som e - - 1 4 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uhav e any 1 5 reaso nt o assum e tha t she ' s no t goin g t o 1 6 testif ysimilarl yt o thi s i f sh e appear s i n 1 7 th e proceedin g her e o nth e civi l penalt y 1 8 question? 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : I' dassum e i t woul d 2 0 b e relativel yclose . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : Ho wabou t th e - - ho w 2 2 abou t th e statemen t submitte dbyth e FB I



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MR . WALLAESA : Mos t probabl ynot , You r Honor . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Wer e yo uunde r 1 1 psychiatri c car e a t th e tim e o f thi s incident ? 1 2 MR . WALLAESA : No , I wa s not . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : Wer e yo uo ndrugs ? 1 4 MR . WALLAESA : N o prescription . 1 5 Actually , yes , yo uma yactuall y- - 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Yo uunderstan dho w 1 7 importan t i t i s tha t thing s yo usa yt o m e b e 1 8 true . 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : - - no , I' mno t - - 2 0 JUDG E YODER : I jus t wante dt o 2 1 mak e - - th e answe r t o tha t i s yes . 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : A t th e tim e I ha da


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1 prescriptio nfo r a nanti-depressant . 2 JUDG E YODER : Tha t wa s no t m y 3 question . D o yo uunderstan dho wimportan t i t 4 i s tha t th e thing s yo usa yt o m e b e true ? 5 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . 7 MR . WALLAESA : 10 0 percent . 8 JUDG E YODER : I' mth e onl yFedera l 9 administrativ e la wjudg e wh o ha s successfull y 1 0 referre da cas e o f perjur ybefor e hi mfo r 1 1 prosecutio nb yth e Justic e Department . 1 2 MR . WALLAESA : I full yunderstand . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : Jus t s o yo u 1 4 understan dth e seriousnes s wit hwhic hw e tak e 1 5 th e statement s tha t ar e mad e i nthes e 1 6 proceedings . 1 7 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ? 1 8 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . You r 1 9 Honor , I understan d- - 2 0 JUDG E YODER : M yquestio nwas , 2 1 wer e yo uo ndrug s a t th e tim e o f thi s 

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1 MR . WALLAESA : Legal , no t illegal , 2 bu t yes . 3 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Yo umea n 4 prescriptio ndrugs ? Yo usai dprescriptio n 5 drugs . Wha t drug s wer e yo uon , Mr . Wallaesa? 6 MR . WALLAESA : I ha da nan t i - depressant , an dI - - fo r fea r o f sayin g th e wron g name , I can' t remembe r i f i t wa s - - I can' t remembe r whic hon e i t was . I d o hav e 1 0 th e prescription , andI hav e th e bottle . 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . And , d o 1 2 yo ukno wwha t dosag e o r you r frequenc yo f tha t 1 3 dru g was ? 1 4MR
. WALLAESA : It' s tw oyears , I 1 5 don' t

remember
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. WALLAESA : Iha dthat , and , 2 1 yes , Ials oha da nalcoholi cdrin k o nth e 2 2flight
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1 JUDG E YODER : Wha t wa s that , Mr . 2 Wallaesa ? MR . WALLAESA : I ha da nIris h coffee . 5 JUDG E YODER : Di dyo uhav e an y 6 drink s befor e yo ugo t o nth e flight ? 7 MR . WALLAESA : (No audibl e response. ) 9 JUDG E YODER : Ar e yo ustil l there ? 1 0 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . 1 1 JUDG E YODER : I didn' t hea r you r 1 2 answer . 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : I apologize . I ha d 1 4 n o drinks . I ha dth e prescriptio nan dth e 1 5 drink , an dthat' s wha t I had . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Okay . Whe ndi dyo u 1 7 tak e th e prescription ? 1 8 MR . WALLAESA : Befor e I lef t m y 1 9 house. ' I don' t kno wth e exac t time . I can' t 2 0 remember , I don' t hav e - - I don' t remembe r th e 2 1 detail s o f th e flight . 2 2 JUDG E YODER : Okay . 

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2 tw o hour s befor e th e flight . 3 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uunderstan d 4 wh yI aske dtha t question , Mr . Wallaesa ? 5 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir , i f I wa s stil l unde r th e influenc e - -

JUDG E YODER : I' mno t sur e I hear d al l o f that . You'1 1 hav e t o spea kup . 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yo uwer e askin g 1 0 whethe r I wa s stil l considere dunde r th e 1 1 influenc e o f tha t prescriptio na t tha t time . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : Well , I aske d 1 3 becaus e o f som e o f th e statement s i nth e FB I 1 4 agent' s statement . Now , you'v e rea dhi s 1 5 statement . Yo ukno wwha t h e said , an dyo u 1 6 hear dhi mtestif ya t th e crimina l proceeding . 1 7 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Havin g rea dhi s 1 9 statemen t again , yo ustil l conten dtha t yo u 2 0 whe nyo uwer e aske dt o si t dow nyo usa t dow n 2 1 eac htim e yo uwer e asked ? 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I did . 

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1 actually . 2 JUDG E YODER : Accordin g t o Mr , 3 Mollica , "Fligh t attendant s ha dtol dhi m t o 4 retur nt o hi s sea t whil e h e wa s i nth e aisle . 5 Fligh t attendant s the nbrough t th e whit e mal e 6 t o th e fron t o f th e plane . I t appeare dthe y 7 continue dt o tal kt o him . On e o f th e fligh t 8 attendant s looke dth e writer' s way , pointe d 9 andsaid , 'We nee dyou r hel p now ' . On e o f th e 1 0 fligh t attendant s state dtha t Bria nwa s 1 1 harassin g a femal e o nth e flight . H e ha d 1 2 move dhi s sea t t o th e bac ko f th e plan e 1 3 becaus e h e woul dno t leav e th e femal e alone . 1 4 Fligh t attendan t advise dfurthe r tha t Bria n 1 5 wa s ordere dt o sta yi nhi s seat , an dha s com e 1 6 t o th e fron t o f th e plan e agai nan di s causin g 1 7 a disruption . Write r explaine dt o Bria ntha t 1 8 h e neede dt o liste nt o th e fligh t attendant s 1 9 andtak e hi s seat . Bria nstate dtha t h e wa s 2 0 no t takin g hi s sea t unti l h e ha da chanc e t o 2 1 tal kt o th e person. " 2 2Doyo use ethat ?
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MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : "Bria nstate dtha t 3 h e wa s no t sittin g dow nanywher e unti l h e 4 talke dt o her . Write r expresse dagai ntha t h e 5 woul dlik e t o solv e th e proble mth e easies t 6 wa ypossible . Bria nstate dh e didn' t car e and wante dt o tal kt o th e person. "

Now , Mr . Wallaesa , i f thi s goe s t o 9 hearing , thi s FB I agen t i s expecte dt o 1 0 testify , i s tha t correct ? 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : Tha t i s correct , 1 2 sir . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : And , I gathe r thi s 1 4 ladyi s als o expecte dt o testify . 1 5 MR . WALLAESA : That' s correct . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : And , I gathe r tha t 1 7 th e fligh t attendant s ar e als o expecte dt o 1 8 testify . 1 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 2 0 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uunderstan d 2 1 wha t thei r testimonyi s goin g t o say , Mr . 2 2 Wallaesa?



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MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . You r Honor . 3 JUDG E YODER : An dso , let' s sa y 4 ther e ar e tw o fligh t attendants , an da nFB I 5 agent , an dth e woma ntestifyin g o non e hand , 6 an dyo utestifyin g o nth e othe r hand . 7 D o yo uunderstan dwha t th e burde n
o f proo f i nthi s cas e is ?

MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Th e burde ni s o nth e 1 1 FAAt o prov e thei r cas e b ya preponderanc e o f 1 2 th e evidence . Tha t mean s the yhav e t o hav e 1 3 mor e evidenc e supportin g thei r versio no f th e 1 4 event s tha nyo ud o supportin g you r versio no f 1 5 th e events . 1 6 D o yo uunderstand ? 1 7 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Ther e ar e goin g t o 1 9 b e fou r peopl e sayin g thei r versio ni s 2 0 correct , an dyo uar e goin g t o b e sayin g you r 2 1 versio ni s correct . D o yo uge t som e ide a o f 2 2 ho wthat' s goin g t o com e out ?



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1 MR . WALLAESA : I wa s acquitte di n 2 th e crimina l trial . You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : I nth e crimina l 4 trial , yo uhav e a differen t statute , yo uhav e 5 differen t allegations , an dyo uhav e t o prov e 6 guil t beyon da reasonabl e doubt . That' s a 7 totall ydifferen t standard , Mr . Wallaesa . MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . You r Honor . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : I hop e yo uaren' t 1 1 bein g misle db yassumin g tha t thi s tria l i s 1 2 goin g t o b e lik e th e crimina l trial . 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : I d o not . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Ther e i s n o jur y 1 5 here . And , ther e i s n o standar do f beyon da 1 6 reasonabl e doubt . Al l the yhav e t o d o i s sho w 1 7 tha t it' s mor e likel ytha t thei r versio ni s 1 8 tru e tha nyou r versio ni s true . 1 9 D o yo uunderstand ? 2 0 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : And , that' s poin t 2 2 numbe r one . 

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1 Poin t numbe r tw o is , yo udidn' t 2 fil e you r answe r o ntime. 3 Poin t numbe r thre e is , whe nyo u 4 file di t yo udidn' t denyth e operativ e 5 allegation s o f th e complaint . 6 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying , 7 Mr . Wallaesa? 8 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir , You r 9 Honor . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Yo uar e i na 1 1 difficul t position . Al l right ? Al l right . 1 2 Let' s jus t se e i f we'v e covere d- - 1 3 Mr . Stuart ? 1 4 MR . STUART : Yes , Judge . 1 5 JUDG E YODER : Hav e yo umad e any 1 6 effor t t o settl e thi s case ? 1 7 MR . STUART : I've bee nunabl e t o 1 8 contac t Mr . Wallaes a a t all , You r Honor . 1 9 Ther e wer e effort s mad e whe nth e previou s 2 0 attorne ywa s assigne dt o th e case , whic hwer e 2 1 unsuccessful . I thin kthos e wer e mad e durin g 2 2 th e informa l conference . 

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1 JUDG E YODER : Thes e ar e goin g t o 2 b e mor e successful . 3 MR . STUART : You r Honor , I' m- - 4 JUDG E YODER : Numbe r one , yo uar e 5 goin g t o ge t i ntouc hwit hMr . Wallaesa . 6 Mr . Wallaesa , i s ther e an yreaso n 7 wh yMr . Stuar t can' t ge t i ntouc hwit hyou ? 8 MR . WALLAESA : No . I'v e bee n- - 9 I'v e responde dt o you r - - thi s number , th e 20 2 1 0 number , I believ e it' s you r secretary' s 1 1 number , wheneve r sh e ha dcalle dme . 1 2 Th e onl ydifficult yw e had , w e ha d 1 3 thi s - - sh e wa s o nvacatio nsom e tim e i n 1 4 August , an dI wasn' t abl e t o reschedul e th e 1 5 conference . 1 6 MR . STUART : I thin ktha t wa s wit h 1 7 th e othe r attorney , bu t sinc e I'v e trie dt o 1 8 contac t yo uthi s summer , you'v e no t returne d 1 9 m ycalls , an dyo uhaven' t answere dth e mail . 2 0 So , I'v e bee nunabl e t o reac hyo ut o discus s 2 1 anythin g abou t th e case . 2 2JUDG E YODER : D o w e hav e you r


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1 telephon e number , Mr . Wallaesa ? 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , yo udo . 3 JUDG E YODER : Wha t i s it ? MR . WALLAESA : 570-778-1335 , whic h 5 I file dth e documentatio nfo r i nth e response . 6 JUDG E YODER : Well , wha t I' mgoin g 7 t o d o is , I' m goin g t o as kyo ufolk s t o reaso n togethe r an dse e i f yo ucan' t com e u p wit ha sensibl e settlemen t o f thi s case . 1 0 I thin kw e hav e itemize denoug h 1 1 problem s wit hbot hside s i nthi s proceedin g 1 2 t o giv e anybod ypause . 1 3 I' dlik e - - yo ugiv e m e a dat e b y 1 4 whic hyo uthin kyo uca ndiscus s this . 1 5 Mr . Wallaesa , you'v e go t - - you'v e 1 6 go t tw o motion s pendin g tha t coul dresul t i n 1 7 a defaul t judgmen t agains t you . 1 8 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' msaying ? 1 9 Yo ufile dyou r answe r late . Yo udidn' t den y 2 0 th e allegation s o f th e complaint . 2 1 MR . WALLAESA : I d o no t believ e I 2 2 file dth e answe r late . 

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### 7 0 JUDG E YODER : Well , Mr . Wallaesa , 2 i t doesn' t matte r wha t yo ubelieve , I jus t 3 rule do nth e questio ntha t - - i f I rul e tha t 4 yo ufile di t late , yo ufile di t late. 5 D o yo uunderstan dwha t I' m saying ? 6 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor .

JUDG E YODER : Al l right . And , th e answe r di dno t respon dt o th e complaint , an d 9 th e allegation s i nit . 1 0 Now , s oyou'v e go t thos e tw o 1 1 problem s wit hyou r case , an dw e coul dente r a 1 2 defaul t o nthi s cas e no wan dlimi t th e 1 3 questio nt o th e leve l o f civi l penalty . 1 4 I f w e di dthat , wha t we' dwin dup 1 5 wit hi s a determinatio na s t o ho wmany 1 6 violation s shoul db e accepte da s proved , and 1 7 wha t th e leve l o f penalt yfo r eac ho f the m 1 8 shoul dbe . 1 9 Now , Mr . Stuart , you ' v e go t 2 0 you ' v e go t a nallegatio ntha t h e faile dt o 

### 2 1 faste nhi s sea t bel t i nth e conclusions , a s 2 2 on eo f

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And , th e thir dviolatio ni s 3 dependen t o nth e othe r two , andyo udon ' t 4 alleg e anythin g wit hrespec t t o interference , 5 othe r tha nfailin g t o si t down . I s tha t right ? 6 MR . STUART : Let' s see , You r Honor . Okay . Th e firs t poin t abou t no t fastenin g hi s sea t belt , I thin kthat' s 9 containe dwithi nParagrap h4 , th e fac t tha t 1 0 th e Responden t wa s no t - - 1 1 JUDG E YODER : I hear dyo usa ytha t 1 2 before , Mr . Stuart . It' s n o mor e convincin g 1 3 no wtha ni t a s then . 1 4 I f yo uwan t t o conclud e thing s 1 5 wit hrespec t to , an ddra wlega l conclusions , 1 6 yo unee dt o alleg e fact s andsuppor t them . 1 7 Yo utol dm e befor e tha t yo udidn' t 1 8 draf t th e complaint . Unfortunately , i t i s th e 1 9 complaint , whethe r yo udrafte di t o r not . 2 0 But , mypoin t jus t no wwa s tha t 2 1 there ' s nothin g i nher e tha t relate s t o 2 2 interference , othe r tha nth e allegatio ntha t



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1 h e didn' t si t dow nwhe nh e wa s aske dto . 2 Isn' t tha t correct ? 3 MR . STUART : That' s correct . 4 JUDG E YODER : That' s al l yo uar e 5 goin g t o b e abl e t o prov e i norde r t o 6 establis hthat . So , it' s a reall ya dependen t 7 violation . Yo uaren' t provin g anythin g beyon d 8 th e earlie r violation , i norde r t o attemp t t o 9 establis htha t thir dviolation . 1 0 Yo ushoul dtak e al l thos e thing s 1 1 int o consideration . Tr yt o com e up wit hsom e 1 2 reasonabl e settlemen t wit hMr . Wallaesa . 1 3 I f yo udon' t ge t a settlement , I 1 4 wan t a brie f o nyou r leve l o f penalty . I wan t 1 5 t o kno who wyo ucompute dit , an dI wan t t o 1 6 kno wyou r precedent s fo r it . 1 7 I'l l rul e o nth e motion s wit h 1 8 respec t t o th e timelines s o f th e complaint , o f 1 9 th e answer , andth e completenes s o f th e 2 0 answer , onc e I hea r bac kfro myo ufolk s an dw e 2 1 ge t you r brie f o nth e leve l o f penalty . 2 2 MR . STUART : So , jus t t o clarify , NEA LR

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1 You r Honor . First , you' dlik e u s t o hav e a 2 settlemen t discussion . I f w e ar e unabl e t o reac ha settlement , the n- -

JUDG E YODER : The nI wan t a brief . 5 MR . STUART : - - the nyo uwan t a 6 brie f o nth e amoun t o f sanction .

JUDG E YODER : Well , I wan t t o kno w ho wyo ucompute dit , an dwha t you r basi s fo r i t i s . 1 0 MR . STUART : Right . 1 1 JUDG E YODER : Includin g precedent s 1 2 fo r it . 1 3 MR . STUART : Right . 1 4 JUDG E YODER : And , you r precedent s 1 5 nee dt o relat e t o wha t you'v e allege di nth e 1 6 complaint , no t t o wha t you'v e adde do nbyth e 1 7 wa yo f thes e factua l submissions , othe r 1 8 people' s statements . 1 9 MR . STUART : I understand . You r 2 0 Honor . 2 1 JUDG E YODER : D o yo uunderstan d 2 2 wha t I' m

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1 allege dal l th e thing s tha t ar e i nthes e 2 statement s you'v e submitted . Yo uhaven' t 3 allege dthem . 4 MR . STUART : I understand . JUDG E YODER : Th e issue s ar e 5 frame db ywha t you'v e alleged . Yo ucan' t 7 expec t someon e t o prepar e fo r a hearin g unles s yo ualleg e th e fact s tha t yo upropos e t o pu t 9 a t issu e i nth e proceeding . 1 0 MR . STUART : I understand . You r 1 1 Honor . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : Al l right . So , ca n 1 3 yo ud o tha t i ntw o weeks ? 1 4 MR . STUART : Tha t wil l b e fin e o n 1 5 m yend . You r Honor . 1 6 JUDG E YODER : Yo ufolk s talk , ge t 1 7 bac kt o m e i ntw o weeks . Le t m e kno wwhethe r 1 8 thi s cas e i s settlin g o r whethe r yo uwan t t o 1 9 g o t o hearing . 2 0 I f yo uwan t i t t o g o t o hearing , 2 1 the nyo ufil e you r brief . Whe ni s tha t goin g 

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1 MR . STUART : Coul dyo urepea t 2 that , You r Honor ? 3 JUDG E YODER : Th e firs t one , tw o 4 week s woul db e Novembe r 1 . Th e secon done , tw o weeks , woul db e Novembe r 15 . 6 MR . STUART : Okay . Th e firs t tw o 7 week s fo r th e settlemen t discussion . Th e
secon dtw o weeks ? 9 JUDG E YODER : Fo r th e brief . 1 0 MR . STUART : Fo r th e brief , i nth e 1 1 even t tha t w e canno t settle . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : That' s right . 1 3 MR . STUART : An d- - 1 4 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Wallaesa , i f yo u 1 5 wan t t o repl yt o tha t brief , we'l l giv e yo ua 1 6 wee kafte r Novembe r 15 , unti l Novembe r 22 . 1 7 MR . WALLAESA : Okay . 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Anybod yhav e an y 1 9 proble mwit hthos e dates ? 2 0 MR . STUART : None , You r Honor . I 2 1 jus t wan t t o ge t som e har ddate s here . So , 2 2 Novembe r 1s t wil l b e th e deadlin e fo r a


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1 settlemen t discussion . The ntw o week s afte r 2 tha t wil l b e Novembe r 15th . 3 JUDG E YODER : Novembe r 1 i s th e 4 dat e o nwhic hyo uwil l notif ym e a s t o whethe r 5 th e cas e i s settling . 6 MR . STUART : Than kyou , You r 7 Honor . I hav e that . And , a s fo r th e outstandin g - - th e 9 Complainant' s outstandin g motio nt o dee meac h 1 0 allegatio nadmitted , wil l tha t jus t - - wil l 1 1 tha t b e o nhold ? 1 2 JUDG E YODER : Yes , that' s wha t w e 1 3 wer e saying , tha t w e wil l hol dtha t unti l 1 4 afte r w e receiv e thes e filings . 1 5 MR . STUART : Okay . And , m ynex t 1 6 questio nwoul djus t be , Mr . Wallaes a wa s 1 7 unwillin g t o settl e earlier . I s h e willin g t o 1 8 settl e now ? 1 9 JUDG E YODER : That' s somethin g yo u 2 0 nee dt o tak e u p wit hhim . I f yo udon' t 2 1 settle , you'l l ge t th e pleasur e o f appearin g 2 2 befor e m e i na hearing . 

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1 MR . STUART : Okay . I gues s I jus t 2 wan t t o mak e sur e tha t I'l l b e abl e t o contac t 3 Mr . Wallaes a afte r thi s phon e conversation . 4 JUDG E YODER : I f yo ucan' t contac t 5 Mr . Wallaesa , yo ule t m e know . 6 MR . STUART : Okay . 7 MR . WALLAESA : H e wil l b e abl e t o 8 contac t me . 9 MR . STUART : Al l right . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Mr . Wallaesa . 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , sir . 1 2 JUDG E YODER : I expec t yo ufolk s 1 3 t o negotiat e i ngoo dfait ht o tr yt o achiev e 1 4 a settlemen t o f thi s case . Otherwise , yo uge t 1 5 - - yo uge t t o a hearin g an dyou ' v e go t n o 1 6 contro l ove r wha t you r penalt yi s goin g t o be . 1 7 I t wil l b e whateve r I sa yit' s goin g t o be . 1 8 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , You r Honor . 1 9 JUDG E YODER : Ar e w e clear ? 2 0 MR . WALLAESA : I full yunderstand . 2 1 JUDG E YODER ; Okay . Al l right . 2 2 Anythin g further ?



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