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UNITED STATES SENATE

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REYNOLDS, OF NEW YORK, TO BE UNDER

SECRETARY OF LABOR, AND THOMAS R. DONAHUE, OF

MARYLAND, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF LABOR

FEBRUARY 2, 1967

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COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE

LISTER HILL, Alabama, Chairman

WAYNE MORSE, Oregon

RALPH YARBOROUGH, Texas

JOSEPH S. CLARK, Pennsylvania

JENNINGS RANDOLPH, West Virginia

HARRISON A. WILLIAMS, JR., New Jersey

CLAIBORNE PELL, Rhode Island

EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts

GAYLORD NELSON, Wisconsin

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, New York

STEWART E. MCCLURE, Chief Clerk

JoRN S. FORSYTHE, General Counsel

FRANK CUMMINGS, Minority Counsel

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JACOB K. JAVITS, New York

WINSTON L. PROUTY, Vermont

PETER H. DOMINICK, Colorado

GEORGE MURPHY, California

PAUL J. FANNIN, Arizona

ROBERT P. GRIFFIN, Michigan
CONTENTS

Pate Donahue, Thomas R 6

Biography oL 6

Pell, Hon. Claiborne, a U.S. Senator from the State of Rhode Island__. 5

Reynolds, James J 2

Biography of 2

Wirtz, Hon. W. Willard, Secretary of Labor 1

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THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 1967

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE,

Washington, D.C.

The committee met at 10:20 a.m., pursuant to call, in room 4232,

New Senate Office Building, Senator Lister Hill (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Hill (presiding), Yarborough, Williams of New

Jersey, Kennedy of Massachusetts, Nelson, Prouty, Murphy, and Griffin.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will kindly come to order.

We have before us the nomination of Mr. James J. Reynolds, of

New York, to be Under Secretary of Labor; the nomination of Mr. Thomas R. Donahue, of Maryland, to be an Assistant Secretary of Labor.

We are delighted to have with us this morning the Secretary of Labor, Secretary Wirtz.

Mr. Secretary, we will be happy now to have you make any statement you see fit. We are glad to have you here.

STATEMENT OF HON. WILLARD W. WIRTZ, SECRETARY OF

LABOR

Secretary WIRTZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman; it will be a brief

-statement.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, it is in an official capacity I introduce these two gentlemen to the committee. There

has rarely been the occasion to combine an official function with personal pleasure.

May I say beyond this that these two nominations come to the committee from the President: As far as I am concerned, I can only

say to you, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, that on the basis of a long, close working association with Mr. Reynolds and from

an opportunity to come to know Mr. Donahue very well, those are two appointments which will strengthen very greatly the Department of

Labor. Really there is nothing more for me to say than I commend

these gentlemen to the committee with my unqualified support.

The CHAIRMAN. You strongly commend both of them?

Secretary WIRTZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Reynolds, will you come around please.

We will include the biographical sketch of Mr. Reynolds in the

record at this point.

(The biographical sketch follows:)

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BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF JAMES J. REYNOLDS, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF LABOR

James J. Reynolds, whose appointment as Assistant Secretary was announced

by President Kennedy January 7, 1961, and confirmed by the Senate March 2,

is widely experienced in labor-management relations, both by virtue of his work

in private industry and as a former member of the National Labor Relations

Board.

He was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., on January 8, 1907, attended primary and

secondary schools there, and graduated from Columbia University in 1928. His

father, James J. Reynolds, Sr., was assistant superintendent of schools for New

York City.

After working in various Wall Street offices for 6 years, Mr. Reynolds became

a member of the New York 'Stock Exchange in 1934. Five years later, in 1939,

he left Wall Street for the United States Pipe and Foundry Co. in Bessemer, Ala.,

where he worked in various capacities, including that of director of industrial

relations.

Mr. Reynolds entered the Navy in 1943 as a lieutenant junior grade and was

discharged in 1946 with the rank of commander. During this time he served as

an adviser to the Under Secretary of the Navy on labor-management problems.

In 1946 Mr. Reynolds was appointed by President Truman to a 5-year term

on the National Labor Relations Board. Shortly after being reappointed to a

second term, he resigned from the Board to rejoin the United States Pipe and

Foundry Co. as vice president in charge of employee relations. In 1953 he became

vice president of manufacturing services for ALCO Products, Inc., of Schenectady,

N.Y.

Mr. Reynolds has been a member of the New York State Governor's Business

Advisory Council and also an employer representative in the New York State

Advisory Council on Employment and Unemployment Insurance, and was

chairman of a Conference on Occupational Health and Safety sponsored by New

York State in 1958.

He was married in 1938 to the former Ursula Blanke.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Reynolds, we would be happy to have you

make any statement you see fit as to your qualifications for the

position of Under Secretary of Labor.

STATEMENT OF JAMES J. REYNOLDS

Mr. REYNOLDS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have prepared a

very brief statement here and perhaps the best way would be to read

it and then I will invite any questions from you or your distinguished

colleagues and I will attempt to answer them.

To tell you a little about myself: in the first place, my name is

James J. Reynolds, as you stated. My position at present is Assistant

Secretary of Labor for Labor-Management Relations to which I was

appointed with a great deal of satisfaction by the late President John

F. Kennedy.

I was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., educated in the public and parochial

schools of that community and graduated from Columbia University.

The CHAIRMAN. What is your class?

Mr. REYNOLDS. 1928.

The CHAIRMAN. You are a little bit behind me.

Senator YARBOROUGH. Mr. Chairman, may I make an observation

here since I am forced to go to another committee?

Looking at the resume of these two fine gentlemen I note that the

Secretary is leaning pretty heavily on the Navy here, us old Army

boys didn't get a look in.

The CHAIRMAN. Because Texas has so many Army installations.

What committee are you going to now?

Senator YARBOROUGH. Judiciary, but I hope to be back as soon

as I can.
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The CHAIRMAN. Fine.

Mr. REYNOLDS. Thank you, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. All right, Mr. Reynolds.

Mr. REYNOLDS. Mr. Chairman, I pursued a career in finance and industry, having been many years ago a member of the New York Stock Exchange and more recently the vice president of operations of the American Locomotive Co.

I went to your fine State, Mr. Chairman, and started in as a common laborer and rose up through the ranks.

The CHAIRMAN. Where was that; Bessemer?

Mr. REYNOLDS. Yes; south of Birmingham—Birmingham is a sub- urb of Bessemer.

I subsequently served in the Naval Reserve, and I was labor adviser to Secretary Forrestal and Secretary Gates as a Navy commander on matters pertaining to civilian labor problems. Upon completion of military service I was appointed by President Truman as a member of the National Labor Relations Board in 1946 and served during the period of transition from the Wagner Act to the Taft-Hartley Act. I participated in the makeup of the new five-man board.

As Assistant Secretary for Labor-Management Relations my duties include by delegation of our very fine Secretary, general ad- ministration over the Labor Manpower Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959, better known as the Landrum-Griffin Act, the Welfare and Pension Plans Disclosure Act, the Fair Labor Standards Act, the reemployment provisions of the Universal Military Training and Service Act and those functions assigned the Department of Labor under the Urban Mass Transportation Act, and Executive Order 10988 dealing with employee-management relations in the Federal service, and I fulfill the Department's responsibilities under the Urban Mass Transportation Act.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. How is that working out?

Mr. REYNOLDS. It's working out fine, Senator. The provision of

course, that we administer is that which must assure that the employees Who might be affected by a grant will be equitably treated. Some- times it is a difficult problem in getting those terms set. We are having a difficult situation in Boston now, Senator Kennedy, but it is working out.

Today I am having the various unions and the people in the De- partment of Urban Transportation in for consultation.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. We had some real labor pains in getting that provision in.

Mr. REYNOLDS. By and large it is working well, Senator Williams,

I am pleased to be able to say.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. Thank you.

Mr. REYNOLDS. On occasion I work with Secretary Wirtz on difficult labor disputes when the normal statutory means of re- solving 

The CHAIRMAN. Difficulties, you say, sir?

Mr. REYNOLDS. Somewhat difficulties, sir, I work at Secretary

Wirtz' side and under his leadership in this area and many others very proudly.

As President Johnson has now nominated me to be Under Secretary I very humbly trust that this committee and the Senate will
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deem it appropriate to confirm that nomination and if they do it

is my intention to devote such energy and talent as I have to further

public service under the leadership of a truly wonderful Secretary

of Labor.

Mr. Chairman, that is all. I most respectfully invite questions

of you or your colleagues.

The CHAIRMAN. Any questions, gentlemen?

Senator Kennedy?

Senator KENNEDY of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I would like

to just mention how fortunate I think we are to have Mr. Reynolds

serve in this capacity. I think we are extremely fortunate to have

his interest and have his participation. I would also like to ask at

this time that Senator Robert Kennedy regrets he could not be here.

I notice in this brief sheet, Mr. Reynolds, that you also were charged

with the responsibility on the reemployment provisions of the Selective Service Act.

I am wondering if you could give us a word about that.

Mr. REYNOLDS. I am sorry I neglected to read that portion of it,

Senator Kennedy.

The Department of Labor has the responsibility of seeing to it

that young men who are leaving the service to return to civilian employment get their positions back and get all of the rights that have

accrued to them during the period of their military service. We have

worked out a very felicitous arrangement with the Department of

Defense so that every young man leaving the service is aware of the

existence of our agency and our interest in his welfare so that we

have been able to assist many young men in getting their jobs back.

Now, unfortunately, a great many youngsters who are in the service

never had a job. This is another problem; and here the Department

of Labor is devoting its interest in different ways, to give them training if necessary, give them assistance in their first employment

experience.

The provisions are working very well.

The CHAIRMAN. Any questions, gentlemen?

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. No questions, Mr. Chairman, but

I think the Nation should be grateful, indeed, that a man of Mr.

Reynold's talents is willing to serve—No. 1.

No. 2. I don't see how you could have done so much and look so

young. [Laughter.]

And No. 3 

The CHAIRMAN. Excuse me—off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. No. 3. I know a very close

friend of the new Under Secretary, Senator Claiborne Pell, wants to

file a statement and I ask unanimous consent that be allowed.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection it will be done.

(The statement of Senator Pell follows:)
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STATEMENT OF HON. CLAIBORNE PELL, A U.S. SENATOR FROM

THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND

Senator PELL. I am delighted to support the nomination of James

F. Reynolds to the post of Under Secretary of Labor. I have known,

liked, and admired Mr. Reynolds for some years and have followed

with very real interest his remarkably able work on tough problems.

I know what a great help he has been, too, in working out acceptable

solutions to some of the problems each of us are concerned with as

members of the Senate Committee on Labor and Public Welfare, and

in this connection he has assisted me as chairman of the Railroad

Retirement Subcommittee.

From a more personal viewpoint, I have always had the highest

regard for him and his family. This appointment will give particular

pleasure to his uncle, Judge Jeremiah T. Mahoney, who is also a

remarkable and exceedingly able man and an old family friend.

It is with very real joy, then, that I congratulate our administration

on its nomination of Mr. Reynolds to the post of Under Secretary of

Labor and heartily urge the committee to approve the nomination.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Griffin?

Senator GRIFFIN. I would like to be recognized but not for a particular question, but to join in the tribute being paid to Mr. Reynolds.

It has been a very difficult role you have had to play and I am

aware, as I know many others are, of the great contributions you

have made in settling some very difficult strikes.

As you move on and upward in the Labor Department, frankly one

of the things that concerns me is that I hope you will not discontinue,

in fact I think maybe you will be used more in the capacity. I

wonder if you have any basis for comment?

Secretary WIRTZ. Could I speak to that, Mr. Chairman?

Senator GRIFFIN. Yes. If this means that he is not going to do

that and somebody else is, well, the country might bc 

Secretary WIRTZ. I would like to make the record clear on two

points.

First, Mr. Reynolds' statement of our relationship of the handling

of disputes in the past has understated his role greatly. He has become in the judgment of all of us one of the great national assets in

the handling of these disputes; it would be my full intention that he

would continue in full participation in that role.

It is the expectation that Mr. Donahue, assuming his confirmation,

will be working with him, but it is recognized on all sides, Mr. Donahue

and I sharing as we do, that we have an opportunity to rely on Mr.

Reynolds' continued operation in this area.

Senator GRIFFIN. I think that is a fine statement to have for the

record and we certainly will appreciate your continued efforts in this

very difficult area. You have had a lot of experience and made a

wonderful contribution.

Mr. REYNOLDS. Thank you very much, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Reynolds has been a very fine, effective, and

efficient public servant.

Mr. REYNOLDS. Thank you, Senator.

Senator NELSON. Mr. Chairman, I have not had an opportunity

to know Mr. Reynolds but based upon what the rest of you have said

I want to wholeheartedly endorse his nomination.
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Mr. REYNOLDS. Thank you very much, Senator Nelson.

The CHAIRMAN. We want to thank you very much, Mr. Reynolds.

Mr. Donahue.

As you know, gentlemen, we also have before us the nomination of

Mr. Thomas R. Donahue to be an Assistant Secretary of Labor.

As this point in the record we will include the biographical sketch of

Mr. Donahue.

(The biographical sketch follows:)

BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF THOMAS R. DONAHUE

Executive Assistant to the President: Building Service Employees' International

Union, AFL—CIO Washington, D.C., May, 1960 to present.

Labor Program Coordinator and Administrative Officer: Free Europe Committee,

Inc. (Paris and New York) March, 1957 to May, 1960.

Assistant to President and Director of Contract Department: Local 32B, Building

Service Employees' International Union, AFL—CIO, New York City; April, 1952

to March, 1957.

Director of Education and Public Relations: Local 32B, Building Service Employees' International Union, AFL—CIO, New York City; July, 1949 to April,

1952.

Instructor in Labor-Management: Manhattan College, New York City; parttime, 1951, 1954-55.

Born September 4, 1928; married, two children.

B.A.

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Manhattan College, 1949; LL.B., Fordham University (Evening Division), 1956.

U.S. Navy:

Active Duty, 

September, 

1945 to August, 1946.

Seaman—PCE (R) 851, U.S.S. Vulcan (AR-5).

Inactive Reserve, August, 1946 to August, 1958.

Public Member, Eighteenth Selection Boards (1964), Department of State.

Member, Institute of International Education, National Advisory Board,

Development Fellowship Programs.

Member, Association of the Bar of the City of New York.

Member, Industrial Relations Research Association.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Donahue, we will be happy to have you make

any statement you see fit to make about your qualifications.

STATEMENT OF THOMAS R. DONAHUE

Mr. DONAHUE. I have a short statement and I will read it.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, my name is Thomas

R. Donahue. I reside at 5108 Wessling Lane, Bethesda, Md. I

am currently serving as executive assistant to the president of the

Building Service Employees' International Union, AFL—CIO.

I was born in New York City on September 4, 1928. I attended

elementary school and high school there.

I enlisted in the Navy in 1945 and served 1 year. I attended Manhattan College and received a B.A. degree in 1949. I attended

Forham University Law School at night, received my LL.B. in 1956

and was admitted to the New York bar that same year.

I married Natalie Kiernan on November 11, 1950. We have two

children, Nancy, a fifth-grader, and Thomas R., III, a second-grader.

After graduating from college I entered the labor movement as

editor and director of education for Local 32B of the Building Service

Employees International Union, in New York City. During the 5

years from 1952 to 1957 I served as director of the contract division

of this 42,000-member local union.
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In 1957 I was appointed coordinator of the European labor program

and administrative officer in Paris for the Free Europe Committee,

Inc., the parent organization of Radio Free Europe. In the past I

was liaison officer with the exiled trade unionists from CentralEastern Europe and with the West European trade unions and the

International Confederation of Free Trade Unions.

Returning to the United States in 1960 I was named to my present

position. I also serve as secretary of the union's Civil Rights Committee.

I was a public member of the Department of State's Foreign Service

Officer Selection Boards in 1964. I am a member of the National

Advisory Board, development fellowship program of the Institute of

International Education, and a member of the Industrial Relations

Research Association, the National Catholic Social Action Conference,

and the New York City Bar Association.

I am honored, Mr. Chairman, to have been nominated by President

Johnson for the post of Assistant Secretary for Labor-Management

Relations for the Department of Labor and if I am confirmed, I shall

do everything in my power to effectively administer the Department's

labor-management relations programs and activities, in accordance,

obviously, with the views expressed by this administration and

Congress. I would do that without fear or favor, as fairly as I know

how, and with the conviction that law should be administered evenly

and that those programs and activities which tend to secure industrial

peace and social justice should be pursued most vigorously.

I want to express my appreciation to you, Mr. Chairman, and the

members of the committee, for permitting me to appear today on

behalf of my appointment. If this committee should have any questions I shall be most anxious to try to answer them.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Donahue, in this position as Assistant Secretary, just what will your duties be, if I may?

Mr. DONAHUE. I will be, as Assistant Secretary, serving as Administrator of the Department's Labor-Management Services Administration, having the general supervision over the operation and

administration of the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure

Act, Welfare and Pension Plans Disclosure Act, the Wage and Hour

Public Contracts Division—all of the functions, administratively,

which Mr. Reynolds now has.

The CHAIRMAN. Any questions, gentlemen?

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. Could I?

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Williams?

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. In 1957 you were appointed

coordinator of the European labor program and administrative officer

for the Free Europe Committee. This was when you held what

position?

Mr. DONAHUE. I left the local union with which I had worked

from 1946 to 1957 and I was employed by the Free Europe Committee

at that point. I worked for the committee for about 6 months in

New York and then went to Paris as administrative officer for five

European offices and as coordinator of the European labor program.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. I don't get the American labor

movement. I don't understand the association of the American labor

movement with the European labor situation.
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Mr. DONAHUE. The Free Europe Committee—as part of its role

of maintaining the position of the exiles from the Central European

countries and assisting them in those years—carried on a variety of

programs to maintain the presence of the exiles in the Western World.

Some of those programs involved the exiled trade union leaders from

the Central European countries who were then living for the most

part in Western Europe with some few in the United States.

I worked with them in an effort to help them develop effective

propaganda and publicity programs, and in the development of political

action programs designed to dramatize and demonstrate the plight of

their home countries. I was at that time out of the American labor

movement and an employee of the Free Europe Committee.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. Senator John Kennedy, Senator

Humphrey, and I and some Members of the House were successful

in authorizing zloties for the building of a children's hospital in

Poland and one of the ideas we had was to send men from the building

trades over there to help supervise the work and that was turned down

by the building trades union.

Were you familiar with that?

Mr. DONAHUE. Not with that particular incident, Senator, but the

position of the AFL—CIO is very clearly that it will have no relationships whatsoever with the trade unions or so-called trade unions of the

satellite countries of Central Eastern Europe.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. Why is that?

Mr. DONAHUE. Because very simply they are not, in the term of

reference of the American trade union movement they are not free

trade unions. They have been excluded by the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions on the same basis.

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. All we wanted to do was put

up a hospital. By the way, the hospital is up, I went over for the

dedication, but there were a lot of pangs in getting that hospital

up because of the lack, well, unfortunate lack of labor technicians,

but it is there and the kids are being served.

I really regretted the fact that the building trades of this Nation

did not offer any assistance to that program. You were not in on

it so you are exonerated.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Griffin?

Senator GRIFFIN. Mr. Donahue, you have an impressive background and certainly excellent educational qualifications to commend

you. Your whole background is with the AFL—CIO segment of

the organized labor and I am conscious, of course, that there are

other unions that are not affiliated with the AFL—CIO, and who

would expect and want fair and equal treatment and I was glad

that you emphasized that you are determined to administer the laws

without fear or favor, and your past connections with this particular

union in the AFL—CIO are all going to be severed, is that correct,

as you assume the duties?

Mr. DONAHUE. Yes sir.

Senator GRIFFIN. -1;-ou do, of course, recognize the legitimacy of

other unions—the past I think maybe as an officer of the AFL—CIO

anybody who didn't belong to the AFL—CIO could hardly be a

legitimate union, but you are going to change the view on that?

Mr. DONAHUE. I don't know that I need change any views Senator,

but certainly I feel that in my approaches as Assistant Secretary I
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would certainly administer the law and regulations fairly and operate

equally with any legitimate union.

Senator GRIFFIN. This is most important, I don't believe it is

necessarily, but you know, some people say you have been selected

by George Meany to fill his role and you have to prove that is not the

case. Would you comment on that?

Mr. DONAHUE. Well, I don't know how you go about proving

your objectivity or fairness. I expect only that over the long run

performance does that. My past record, I think, would support

the kind of analysis and judgments people have about me. I think

I am regarded as a fairly reasonable, objective person, and it would

be against my every instinct to in any way be a person who would

favor one side or another, to favor one person at the expense of

another.

Senator MURPHY. I think what the Senator means is that you

would not be unduly influenced in your judgments because of your

association with George Meany or the AFL—CIO.

Mr. DONAHUE. No; I certainly would not. I wouldn't think so,

Senator.

Senator MURPHY. As an old labor hand I will be watching very

closely to see that you are not acting as an organizer; I am very

sensitive to that.

Mr. DONAHUE. Senator, I think that anyone in public life is

bringing to his position some experience and consequently some

backgroud of years in a specific area. But I don't think anyone

who performs effectively in public life is necessarily swayed or unduly

influenced by his past.

Senator GRIFFIN. I notice that you were in charge of education

for a particular union that you served and I don't know how or what

the education consisted of with reference to the so-called LandrumGriffin bill. Do you have any serious problems or reservations about

enforcing that particular part of the law?

Mr. DONAHUE. No; none whatsoever, Senator.

Senator GRIFFIN. I am quite conscious of the fact that it is not a perfect piece of legislation and there may be some areas that we can improve on, but in general, you can conscientiously enforce that

particular statute, can you?

Mr. DONAHUE. Again, Senator, I think that I or any public

servant, any public official must be willing to uphold the law and I am

willing to enforce and administer that legislation. Incidentally, in

terms of the education programs, while I was in local 32B, it was in

years prior to the passage of Landrum-Griffin, but we did run the

most thoroughgoing program we could in terms of shop steward

training and membership education to inform them of their rights and

responsibilities as workers and union members.

Senator GRIFFIN. There is some attitude or talk going around that

there is too much democracy in unions these days. Do you share

that view?

Mr. DONAHUE. No; I don't at all, Senator. I think that it would

be hard for me to see the situation in which there would be too much

democracy in any area. I think maybe people who speak of too much

democracy really mean irresponsibility and I think we should not

condone or appreciate irresponsibility wherever it exists. But I don't

think that that should be presented as too much democracy.
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Senator GRIFFIN. I think a lot of people had the misconception

that there is something in the law that requires a secret ballot vote to

ratify union contracts. Many people think that is in the LandrumGriffin bill. Of course it isn't. The principal thing it does is provide

a safeguard in connection with the election of union officers and I

hope you will never get away from the basic, fundamental recognition

that at least that much democracy is justified.

Well, I have no further questions and I wish you well and I am

impressed with your attitude and your answers.

Mr. DONAHUE. Thank you, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions?

Senator Kennedy?

Senator KENNEDY of Massachusetts. Will the administration of

the immigration labor provisions be under your responsibility? That

is in the recent immigration act.

Mr. DONAHUE. I think, Senator, that program is more particularly

within the Manpower Administration of the Department of Labor.

Senator KENNEDY of Massachusetts. I have just mentioned we have

had conversations with the Secretary of Labor a number of times and

had good exchanges on this, this has been one of the aspects which, the

labor provisions and the clearances has been one of the aspects which

has held down what has been normally considered the normal flow of

immigration because of the extraordinary amount of paperwork in this

field. What obviously we are interested in is the protection of the

workers in the United States, the working conditions, the hours and

the wages, but there has been movement within the Department to

try and do by classification what is normally now being done case by

case, a case-by-case kind of study in order to improve the efficiency,

shorten the time, and still provide the adequate protections.

This is something which I think has been making some progress,

something which I am deeply interested in and we have had good

exchanges with the Secretary. It is something I just wanted to bring

to your attention.

Senator WILLIAMS. Mr. Chairman?

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Williams?

Senator WILLIAMS of New Jersey. I did not express my personal

feeling and appreciation that you are willing to serve in this position

and I just got word that Senator Randolph is chairing the committee

that is dealing with problems of Appalachia, but he wanted me to

express to both you and to Mr. Reynolds his feeling that he is glad

you will serve and he looks forward to working with you.

Mr. DONAHUE. Thank you, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions?

Senator PROUTY. Mr. Chairman, I have just one.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Prouty?

Senator PROUTY. Mr. Donahue, have you any suggestions as to

what might be done to strengthen the national emergency strike provisions of the Labor Relation Act and the Railway Labor Act?

Mr. DONAHUE. No, Senator; I would be quick to say I have no

ready formulas for what could or should be done in that area. I

know a great deal of work is being done and this has been the subject

matter of a great number of meetings and conferences we have all been

in and read of lately. As to what the Department's position is,

obviously I haven't been in the Department and wouldn't comment on
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that. I don't know that I have any preconceived notion of what might be acceptale or advisable legislation in that area.

Senator PROUTY. Well, you will be engaged in mediating, will you not, under your new 

Mr. DONAHUE. To a certain extent. The Secretary had explained earlier that that function will stay with Mr. Reynolds because of the wonderful work he has done in that area and as we go along I will work into it and participate in it.

Senator PROUTY. I have no further questions. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions?

Secretary Wirtz, we want to thank you very much for your presence this morning. We are happy to have had Mr. Reynolds and Mr. Donahue with us.

The committee will now go into executive session.

(Whereupon, at 10:50 a.m., the committee proceeded to other business in executive session.)

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