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HEARING

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

UNITED STATES SENATE

EIGHTY-NINTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

BUFORD ELLINGTON, of Tennessee, to be Director of the Office of

Emergency Planning

KENNETH E. BELIEU, of Oregon, to be Under Secretary of the

Navy

GRAEME C. BANNERMAN, of the District of Columbia, to be an

Assistant Secretary of the Navy

FEBRUARY 18, 1965

Printed for the use of the Committee on Armed Services

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

44-197 WASHINGTON : 1965
COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

RICHARD B.

JOHN STENNIS, Mississippi

HARRY FLOOD BYRD, Virginia

STUART SYMINGTON, Missouri

HENRY M. JACKSON, Washington

SAM J. ERVIN, Ja., North Carolina

HOWARD W. CANNON, Nevada

ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia

STEPHEN M. YOUNG, Ohio

DANIEL K. INOUYE, Hawaii

THOMAS J. McINTYRE, New Hampshire

DANIEL B. BREWSTER, Maryland

CHARLES B. Krznow, Chief Clerk

II

RUSSELL, Georgia, Chairman

LEVERETT SALTONSTALL, Massachusetts

MARGARET CHASE SMITH, Maine

STROM THURMOND, South Carolina

JACK MILLER, Iowa

JOHN G. TOWER, Texas
CONTENTS

Statement of: Page

Bannerman, Graeme C., nominee for Assistant Secretary of the Navy_ 9

Bass, Hon. Ross. U.S. Senator from Tennessee 2

Ellington, Buford, nominee for Director, Office of Emergency Planning_ 4

Fulton, Hon. Richard H., Congressman from Fifth District of Tennessee 3

Gore, Hon. Albert, U.S. Senator from Tennessee 2

III

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THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1965

U.S. SENATE,

COMIVII1 rEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, D .0 .

The committe met, pursuant to notice, at 10: 35 a.m., in room 212,

New Senate Office Building.

Present: Senators Stennis (acting- chairman), Symington, Jackson, Cannon, Byrd of West Virginia, Young of Ohio, Inouye, McIntyre, Brewster Saltonstall, Smith, and Thurmond.

Also present: William H. Darden; T. Edward Braswell, Jr., Gordon A. Nease, professional staff members; Charles B. Kirbow, chief

clerk; and Herbert S. Atkinson, assistant chief clerk.

NOMINATION OF BUFORD ELLINGTON TO BE DIRECTOR

OF THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY PLANNING

Senator STENNIS. The committee will please come to order.

This is our regular meeting day. Our chairman, as you know, is

still in the hospital; but is doing splendidly. He wanted this meeting held today, as we had some nominations that need to be passed

on. I wish to say just a few words about these gentlemen and then

proceed with the questioning.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator STENNIS. The first nomination we have today is that of

former Gov. Buford Ellington, of Tennessee, to be Director of the

Office of Emergency Planning. Governor Ellington is with us, sitting at the other end of the table. For himself and for the committee, the acting chairman extends congratulations to Governor Ellington and expresses our great pleasure in having him with us this

morning.

The nomination reference and biography of Governor Ellington

follow:

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

February 1 (legislative day January 29), 1965.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on

Armed Services:

Buford Ellington, of Tennessee, to be Director of the Office of Emergency

Planning,

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BIOGRAPHY OF BUFORD ELLINGTON

Born: Holmes County, Miss., June 27,1907.

Education: Goodman Agricultural College and Millsaps College, Jackson,

Miss.

Professional experience: Manager, Tennessee Farm Bureau Insurance Co.,

1947-51; member, Tennessee House of Representatives, 1949-50; commissioner

of agriculture, State of Tennessee, 1953-58; Governor of Tennessee, 1959-63; and

vice president, Louisville & Nashville Railroad, 1963 to date.

Other activities: Chairman, Southern Governors' Conference, 1961-62; member, Executive Committee, National Governors' Conference, 1961-62; member of

Governors' Conference Committee on Roads and Highway Safety, 1959-60,

chairman, 1960-61; chairman, Southern Region Education Board, 1961-62; and

chairman, Cordell Hull Foundation.

Family: Married to former Catherine Cheek, of Nashville, Tenn.; two children, John Earl and Ann.

Senator STENNIS. Before Governor Ellington testifies, Senator Bass,

of Tennessee, is present to make a statement for himself, and the Chair

understands he is speaking also for Senator Gore, of Tennessee.

We are also delighted to have the Governor's Congressman with us,

Congressman Fulton of Tennessee, and I am going to call on him, also.

Senator Bass, if you are ready, you may proceed.

STATEMENT OF HON. ROSS BASS, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE

OF TENNESSEE

Senator BASS. Mr. Chairman, thank you, very much, and distinguished members of the committee. It is a pleasure for me to be here

this morning and present to the committee our distinguished former

Governor, Buford Ellington.

First, I should like to say that my distinguished colleague, Senator

Gore, is away on official business and cannot be here, but he has asked

me to file a statement on his behalf. With the permission of the committee, I have a joint statement here by Senator Gore and myself

which I would like to present on behalf of both of us.

Senator STENNIS. Very well.

(The joint statement of Senators Albert Gore and Ross Bass is as

follows:)

Mr. Chairman, it is an honor and a privilege for us to commend

to you our distinguished fellow Tennessean, the Honorable Buford

Ellington, on this occasion of his embarking into Federal service.

Governor Ellington has a distinguished record of service to the people

of Tennessee and the Nation. His background includes extensive and

successful experience in the fields of government, business, and agriculture.

While this is his first venture into Government service at this level,

it is by no means his first tour in Government, nor his first contact

with issues of national scope and importance. While serving as Governor of the State of Tennessee he participated actively in both the National Governors' Conference and the Southern Governors' Conference. In fact, he served a term as chairman of the latter group. He

was also one of the original members of the Appalachian Governors'

Conference which was instrumental in the development of the Appalachian Regional Development Act, the first major piece of legislation to pass the Senate this session.
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As Director of the Office of Emergency Planning, however, Governor Ellington will also be working with State and local problems.

In this area he is also eminently qualified, having not only served as

Governor of the State of Tennessee but also as commissioner of agriculture for 5 years and as a member of the Tennessee Legislature. His

experience in dealing with the problems of the States and his close

association with officials of these States with which he will be working

afford him a good background of experience.

For the past several years he has served as vice president of the

Louisville & Nashville Railroad which brought him into daily contact

with the problems of industrial development and has gained for him

an insight into the structure and strength of the Nation's industrial

base.

The President has expressed great concern over the plight of our

rural communities and Governor Ellington will be working with

some of these problems. Again, he is singularly qualified having

not only served as commissioner of agriculture, but also having owned

and lived on a farm.

Mr. Chairman, in our opinion Governor Ellington has the ability,

the experience, and the sense of public duty to qualify him eminently

for the position for which he has been nominated. We, therefore, are

proud to commend him to this committee and urge that the committee

give its immediate recommendation and we urge prompt action in

the Senate Chamber to advise and consent to this nomination.

Senator BASS. At this time I would like to say I have known the

nominee, Governor Ellington, for many, many years. T have known

him personally, socially, and professionally and having come formerly from the State of the distinguished chairman of the committee

today, Mississippi, and having lived in Tennessee for many, many

years, I know that Governor Ellington has the basic knowledge and

certainly the ability to carry out the functions of his office. Certainly

it gives me a great deal of pleasure to recommend my fellow Tennessean, our former Governor, a former businessman, a man of many

talents and abilities, to be the Director of the Office of Emergency'

Planning. I recommend that the committee give favorable consideration to his nomination and that the Senate go along with it.

Thank you, very much.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you, Senator.

We are glad to have you here.

Congressman Fulton.

STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD H. FULTON, A REPRESENTATIVE

IN CONGRESS FROM THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OF

THE STATE OF TENNESSEE

Mr. FULTON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the committee,

I am deeply appreciative of the opportunity to appear here in behalf

of our former Governor and my very good friend. I concur wholeheartedly in the remarks made by Senator Bass.

In 1957, Buford Ellington pledged to the people of Tennessee as

candidate for Governor that he would have an economical government, that he would give to the people a dollar's value for every

dollar received. In 1962, at the end of his term as Governor, he had
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carried out this pledge. I think he will bring this same type of

administration into this new office should this committee see fit to

endorse him.

Thank you, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you, gentlemen. We appreciate your being here.

Another nomination to come before this committee today in open

hearing is that of Mr. Kenneth BeLieu Assistant Secretary of the

Navy, who has been nominated for Under Secretary of the Navy.

Mr. BeLieu appeared personally before the committee here 4 years

ago at the time of his nomination to the office he now holds, and has

been serving since.

Under our precedents Mr. BeLieu is not required to appear personally again, but he happens to be with us this morning. If any

member of the committee desires to question him, he is available. The

other nomination is that of Mr. Graerne C. Bannerman of the District

of Columbia, who has been nominated to the Office of Assistant Secretary of the Navy to assist Mr. BeLieu. Mr. Bannerman has not

previously been before the committee. He is here and will be asked

to testify shortly.

Now, Governor Ellington, many members of this committee have

known you personally for a long time. All of us have known you by

reputation, which is good. Do you have a written statement for the

committee ?

STATEMENT OF BUFORD ELLINGTON, NOMINEE FOR THE POSITION

OF DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY PLANNING

Mr. ELLINGTON,. No sir, I do not have.

Senator STENNIS. You may proceed as you wish. Then you will be

asked questions.

Mr. ELLINGTON. Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, Senator

Bass, Congressman Fulton, I believe all of you have before you a

resume of my background as far as governmental service is concerned.

As mentioned by Senator Bas

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S I was born and reared in Mississippi

and I attended Holmes County Agricultural Junior College and Millsaps College, from there to a salesman with! a machinery company,

moving to Cincinnati in 1939, in the general mercantile business and

farming, which I still have. During this period, I served with the

Tennessee Farm Bureau in an unofficial capacity for a while. I served

as a member of the State Legislature of Tennessee in 1949. In 1953, I

was made commissioner of agriculture of Tennessee, which I served

until 1958.

In 1959, I entered the office of Governor and served 4 years there.

Since then, I have been vice president of L. 86 N. Railroad, which

it is my purpose to resign if approved by this committee and the

Senate and devote my full time to the job ahead. I, of course, would 

not pose as an expert in this field which I am entering. However, I

feel that with my background of business and Government, I intend

to do a job which you as committee, the Senate, and the President,

would be proud. I certainly would not attempt the job unless I felt

like I could be a credit to my country.

Mr. Chairman, I am ready for any questions you. may ask.
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Senator STENNIS. Senator Smith, this is Gov. Buford Ellington who

has been nominated for the Office of Emergency Planning, the Director

Of that Office.

Senator SMITH. Thank you very much, Senator. I am sorry, I had

to be late.

Senator STENNIS. That is all right.

This Office also carries with it under statutory powers the position

of being a member of the special advisers to the President with reference to security and includes jurisdiction over civil defense in its

broadest significance. I mention that because I think it is one of the

most important parts of the responsibility of this important office.

Now, Governor, we have the so-called conflict of interest statute

that always comes up. With reference to any corporate holdings of

bonds or stocks with reference-to any company that might have business with the Federal Government, what is your situation?

Mr. ELLINGTON. Senator, I do not own any that would be in conflict

at all. 

I do not own any stocks or bonds that would be in conflict with the

rules of the Senate or any stocks or bonds with any company doing

business with the Government.

Senator STENNIS : Based on our conversation yesterday, I believe

you mean by that that you do not own any stock in any manufacturer

or industrial plant, anything like that; that has contracts or will

possibly have contracts with the Government?

Mr. ELLINGTON. That is true, sir.

Senator STENNIS. I believe you said the only bonds you had were

Government bonds?

Mr. ELLINGTON. That is correct, sir.

Senator STENNIS. And the nature of your holdings, I believe you

said, was some stock in a bank?

Mr. ELLINGTON. Bank stocks and real estate.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

Senator Saltonsta,11, do you have any questions, sir?

Senator SALTONSTALL. I just have one question.

Governor, it is customary with the committee to file a statement,

for its confidential use, of any holdings that you may have. You

would have no objection to doing that?.

Mr. ELLINGTON. I have such a statement and I would be very happy

to do it, Senator.

Senator SALTONSTALL. Thank you, very much.

Mr. ELLINGTON. Thank you, sir.

Senator SALTONSTALL. Mr. Chairman. I have no questions. If this

gentleman is the chairman of the Cordell Hull Foundation, it would

be hard for me to vote against him. I always had the most utmost

respect for Mr. Hull, when I knew him and when he was Secretary

of State_

Senator STENNIS. Thank you, Senator.

Senator Symington, any questions?

Senator SYMINGTON. Mr. Chairman, I have known Governor Ellington for many years. Those of us who do know him know he is a man

Of high character and responsibility. I am glad the President has submitted this nomination and I am glad he has accepted it. I might ask

One question of him.
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Senator Thurmond, Senator Young, and I, I think, are the members here who worked very hard on a bill S. 28, the Materials Reserve

and Stockpile Act of 1965 and passed the Senate unanimously the

other day. Governor, I would ask if you would help us get rid of as

much of this surplus material as possible in your position, which

would be the most important position in this field from the standpoint of what is best for the Government, and what is best for the

industry at the same time.

Mr. ELLINGTON. As I told you yesterday, I would be most happy to

meet with you and talk with you and do my best to cooperate in the

line of what is right.

Senator SYMINGTON. Thank you. I have no questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Smith?

Senator SMITH. I have no questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Jackson?

Senator JACKSON. I have no questions. I have known Governor

Ellington for some time and it is with great pride and delight that I

know of his nomination.

Senator STENNis. Senator Thurmond?

Senator THURMOND. I have no questions. I have known Governor

Ellington for a number of years and I know of his fine record of service. It will be a pleasure for me to support his confirmation.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Cannon?

Senator CANNON. No questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Brewster?

Senator BREWSTER. No questions, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Young?

Senator YOUNG. Mr. Chairman, our President made a fine nomination and I have no questions whatever.

Senator STENNIS. Senator McIntyre?

Senator MCINTYRE. No questions, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Inouye?

Senator INOUYE. I wish to congratulate the administration for convincing the Governor to take the job and I congratulate the Governor

for taking the job. I am impressed by his record.

Senator S'TENNIS. There seems to be unanimity at the table here. I

hope you will be able to get that same unanimity in the Senate.

We are all convinced that this is a very important office. The title

that goes with it does not tell the full story. We certainly wish you

well if you undertake these burdens and responsibilities and hope that

2 years from now, you will look as fresh and fine as you do today.

If there is nothing more, Governor, we will ask Mr. Bannerman to

take the witness chair.

(The nomination of Mr. Ellington to be Director of the Office of

Emergency Planning was subsequently approved by the committee

in executive session and confirmed by the Senate on February 19,1965.)

NOMINATION OF KENNETH E. BeLIEU TO BE UNDER

SECRETARY OF THE NAVY

Senator STENNIS. Mr. BeLieu's nomination to be Under Secretary

of the Navy is the next nomination to be considered. As I stated previously, he appeared before the committee for the position he now

holds and we will just pass on and not make another record on that

unless someone makes such a request.
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Senator SALTONSTALL. Mr. Chairman, off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

(The nomination reference and biography of Mr. BeLieu follow:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

Ordered, That the

Armed Services:

Kenneth E. BeLieu,

Burgess Fay, Junior,

KENNETH E. BELIEu,

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

February 8, 1965.

following nomination be referred to the Committee on

of Oregon, to be Under Secretary of the Navy vice Paul

resigned.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (INSTALLATIONS AND

LOGISTICS)

Mr. BeLieu was born in Portland, Oreg., on February 10, 1914. He is the

son of Ila Jean BeLieu and the late Perry G. BeLieu, of Oregon. He is married to the former Margaret Katherine Waldhoff, of Anoka, Minn., and has two

sons, Kenneth E., Junior, and Christopher Michael.

He attended Roosevelt High School (class of 1933) in Portland, Oreg., the

University of Oregon, Eugene, Oreg. (class of 1937), and the Harvard Business

School (advanced management program, 1955).

After 3 years in business in Portland, in 1940 Mr. BeLieu volunteered for

active duty with the U.S. Army and was commissioned a second lieutenant of

infantry. His World War II service carried him from the Normandy landings

through the campaigns in France, the Battle of the Bulge, and into Germany

and Czechoslovakia. He was awarded the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze

Star, Purple Heart, and Croix de Guerre for gallantry in action. He was discharged from the Army in 1945 with the rank of lieutenant colonel.

Shortly after returning to civil life, he was offered a commission in the

Regular Army, which he accepted in July 1946. He was ordered to Washington, D.C., where he served in various assignments in Department of the Army

Headquarters. In July 1950, Mr. BeLieu volunteered for action in Korea and,

while there lost his left leg below the knee in November of 1950 and was returned to the United States. While in Korea, Mr. BeLieu was decorated by

both the United States and Korean Governments. From the spring of 1951

until his retirement in October of 1955, he served as executive officer to two

Secretaries of the Army.

In November 1955, Mr. BeLieu became a professional staff member of the

Senate Armed Services Committee. In January 1959, he assumed two principal

responsibilities. First, he became staff director of the Senate Committee on

Aeronautical and Space Sciences—the committee which has jurisdiction to survey

and review all aeronautical and U.S. space activities and analyze all legislation

dealing with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Second, Mr.

BeLieu became staff director of the Preparedness Investigating Subcommittee

of the Senate Committee on Armed Services. This committee has broad authority

to review, investigate, and make recommendations on all aspects of the Nation's

military policies, programs, and operations. The Senate Committee on Aeronautical and Space Sciences and the Preparedness Investigating Subcommittee

of the Senate Committee on Armed Services were chaired by the then Senator

Lyndon B. Johnson.

Mr. BeLieu was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on February 6, 1961, and sworn

in as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Installations and Logistics on February 7, 1961.

(The nomination of Mr. BeLieu to be Under Secretary of the

Navy was subsequently approved by the committee in executive session and confirmed by the Senate on February 19, 1965.)
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NOMINATION OF GRAEME C. BA.NNERMAN TO BE AN

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY

Senator STENNIS. We will proceed, then, to Mr. Graeme Bannerman, of the District of Columbia, who has been nominated to be

Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

(The nomination reference and biography of Mr. Bannerman follows:)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,

SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,

February 8, 1965.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on Armed

Services:

Graeme C. Bannerman, of the District of Columbia, to be an Assistant Secretary

of the Navy vice Kenneth E. BeLieu.

BIOGRAPHY OF GRAME C. BANNERMAN

Graeme C. Bannerman is a career civil servant and a native of Washington,

D.C.

He was born in Washington, D.C., in 1910, and attended the public schools of

this city.

He later attended Hamilton College, Clinton, N.Y., where he majored in mathematics and physics, receiving a bachelor of science degree in 1931.

He received degrees of bachelor of law in 1936 and master of law in 1938 from

the George Washington University in this city where he was on the staff of the

George Washington Law Review. He has been a member of the bar of the District of Columbia since 1936.

With the exception of 2 years, 1946-48, Mr. Bannerman's entire career has been

associated with Federal procurement activities and primarily in the field of defense procurement.

Prior to World War II he was employed 4n positions of increasing responsibility

in the Procurement Division of the Treasul'y Department.

For a brief period during World War II he was employed by the Defense Supplies Corporation, a subsidiary of RFC.

He then entered naval service and was assigned, for most of his naval duty, to

the Naval Aviation Supply Office in Philadelphia. He left the Navy as a lieutenant.

In 1948 he was employed by the Bureau of Ships as a contract negotiator. In

1953, by which time he had been promoted to Deputy Director of Contracts in the

Bureau of Ships, Mr. Bannerman was traneerred to the Office of Naval Material.

• From 1957 to 1961 Mr. Bannerman served as Director of Procurement Policy

in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. In February 1961 he was appointed

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (Procurement) by Secretary McNamara.

Mr. Bannerman has received citations for meritorious performance and, in

1963, received the Career Service Award of the National Civil Service League.

Mr. Bannerman and his wife live at 3506 T Street NW., Washington, D.C. They

have two daughters, Susan Campbell Bannerman and Martha Graeme Bannerman.

Senator STENNis. Mr. Bannerman, you understand the procedure.

You have been very highly recommended, according to information

that reaches me, in the field of procurement and we understand you

have a Government background already. Give us a summary of that

background, if you will, please, and then refer to any holdings you

may have with any concerns who are in any way likely to have business

with the Department of Defense.
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STATEMENT OF GRAEME C. BANNERMAN, NOMINEE FOR

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY

9

Mr. BANNERMAN. I have been a resident of the District of Columbia

all my life. I was educated here, in the College of New York, .and in

the law schools here. I have been working for the Government for

some 28 years now. I am a career civil service employee of the Government, presently employed as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense

for Procurement.

I served in the Navy during the war 'and about 10 years of my

service with the Government has been in the Navy Department. I

have no holdings whatsoever, stocks or bonds, hence no conflict of

interest.

Senator STENNIS. Well, as I said, you come very highly recommended to me.

Senator Saltonstall, do you have any questions?

Senator SALTONSTALL. I would like to ask two questions, Mr. Bannerman, not necessarily on your qualifications, but on your ideas.

You are going to be in charge of procurement for the Navy. With

relation to new equipment and procurement, what are your ideas on

competition in procurement, the inspection by naval officials over the

contraCtor as he moves it along, and your thoughts on that general

subject? I mention this because I filed a bill a few years ago, S. 500,

on the question of procurement and the question Of inspection by naval

officers and so on. I would just like to get your views on that.

Mr: BANNERMAN. Senator, I feel very strongly that as high a percentage of our procurement as is feasible and logical should be made

on the basis of price competition. I think that when contracts are

awarded on the basis of price competition, we have to worry considerably about the quality of the products that are delivered. I also

think that purchasing on that basis not only allows us, but tends to

require us, to keep our hands off the way contractors perform.

, 'Senator SALTONSTALL. I think that is very important.

, In other words, you give .a contractor the contract to do a job,

particularly on some new instrument or new equipment; you want to

give him as much opportunity to proceed, providing he stays on time

and providing the work is being satisfactorily done.

Mr. ,BANNERMAN. And provided we can assure ourselves that the . .

items being delivered- are of the requisite quality.

Senator SALTONSTALL. Another question, a local question. The Boston Navy Yard—we have heard a lot about Navy yards in recent

months. The Navy yard is getting some additional procurement in

the utilities that make it possible to repair ships and so on, but we are

desperately in need of dryclocks, additional drydocks, and perhaps

some further installation in the Boston Navy Yard. Have you had

an opportunity to go into that question. at 'all?

Mr. BANNERMAN. No, sir, I have not.

• Senator SALTONSTALL. Would you do so?

Mr. BANNERMAN. I would be glad to.

Senator SALTONSTALL. I think we feel that quite strongly in our

area.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Symington?
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Senator SYMINGTON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, I have known Mr. Bannerman for many years. He

has, in my opinion, an extraordinary record; his degrees in the law and

his knowledge of procurement. I note that he has been given the

Career Service Award of the National Civil Service League back in

1963. In the years that I have been associated one way or another

with the Department of Defense, I think it is generally agreed that

he knows as much about protecting the Government's interest and

negotiating on a fair basis with manufacturers as any other employee of the Department of Defense. I would hope that he carries on

the same way in the future in his position as he has in the past. He

is known as an outstanding public servant and I am glad the President has seen fit to send his appointment up.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Smith?

Senator SMITH. No questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Jackson?

•Senator JACKSON. No questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Cannon?

Senator CANNON. No questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Young?

Senator YOUNG. No questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Brewster?

Senator BREWSTER. No questions.

Senator STENNIS. Senator McIntyre?

Senator MCINTYRE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Bannerman, did you participate in any depth at all in the

studies that led to the recommendation to the Secretary of Defense

concerning the closing of shipyards?

Mr. BANNERMAN. No sir, I did not.

Senator MchrryitE. Your soon predecessor, who is here today to

become Under Secretary of the Navy, at all times during the 2 years

I have been here, has been most sympathetic and understanding of the

problems in my home State of New Hampshire, which is not the

actual geographical location but is a very important economic factor

hi the employment of people in my State, and it has been affected,

of course, by this decision. I notice that you are what is termed

a career civil servant. I just wonder if you have any feeling for the

situation that Senators and Congressmen find themselves in in dealing with these problems as far as, let's say, if nothing- more just

sympathetic understanding, or are you one of these fellows who is

just going to say, that is it, a dollar is a dollar and competition is

all-important?

Mr. BANNERMAN. Senator, I think I understand quite well the

problems that you have and I hope that I can be a little sympathetic.

I feel quite sure I can.

Senator MCINTYRE. My brief experience, Mr. Chairman, has indicated that sometimes when these career men come into a position, all

of a sudden I have a hard time talkino-

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to them. So I want to make

it clear that at least with Secretary BeLieu, I found at all times

a sympathetic and helpful gentleman over there concerned with a

very important factor and economic consideration of New Hampshire.

I certainly want to take this opportunity to let you know that I will

probably be talking to you many, many times.
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Mr. BANNERMAN. Senator, anytime.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Inouye?

Senator INOUYE. Mr. Chairman, I am greatly impressed with the

background of Mr. Bannerman. I am very happy over the appointment and I am especially pleased to note that he is a graduate of

George Washington University Law School.

Senator STENNIS. Mr. Bannerman

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it seems like we have another

unanimous situation here. I congratulate you on that and wish you

well in the discharge of your duties. I am glad to see someone of

your competence, a career man, so to speak, being given these added

responsibilities. If you are approved by the Senate, we certainly wish

you well.

Thank you, very much, for coming in.

The committee will now go into executive session.

(Whereupon, at 10:57 a.m., the committee proceeded in executive

session.)

(The nomination of Mr. Bannerman to be an Assistant Secretary of

the Navy was subsequently approved by the committee in executive

session and confirmed by the Senate on February 19, 1965.)

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