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INITED STATES SENATE

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FIRST SESSION

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'H L. MANGUM TO BE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY

OF THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TECHNOLOGY,

AUTOMATION, AND ECONOMIC PROGRESS

MARCH 5, 1965

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U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

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COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE

LISTER HILL,

PAT McNAMARA, Michigan

WAYNE MORSE, Oregon

RALPH YARBOROUGFI, Texas

JOSEPH S. CLARK, Pennsylvania

JENNINGS RANDOLPH, West Virginia

HARRISON A. WILLIAMS, JR., New Jersey

CLAIRBORNE PELL, Rhode Island

EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts

GAYLORD NELSON, Wisconsin

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, New York

Alabama, Chairman

JACOB K. JAVITS, New York

WINSTON PROUTY, Vermont

PETER H. DOMINICK, Colorado

GEORGE MURPHY, California

PAUL J. FANNIN, Arizona

STEWART E. MCCLURE, Chief Clerk

JOHN S. FORSYTHE, General Counsel

STEPHEN KURZMAN, Mirtzority Counsel
CONTENTS

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Statement of Dr. Garth L. Mangum, Utah 3

Biographical sketch 1

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NOMINATION OF DR. GARTH L. MANGUM

FRIDAY, MARCH 5, 1965

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE,

Washington, D.C.

The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:15 a.m., Senator

Lister Hill (chairman of the committee) presiding.

Present: Senators Hill (presiding), McNamara, Morse, Clark, Javits,

Prouty, Dominick, and Fannin.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

Senator JAVITS. Mr. Chairman, before we start the business of the

meeting may I have the privilege of presenting to the Chair, in

accordance with what is the tradition of the committee, a new gavel,

as I am the new ranking minority member.

May I say, Mr. Chairman, that this is a tradition with which I am

extremely familiar. As generally speaking in the Army I was the

junior officer present and I always paid the tab. [Laughter.]

The CHAIRMAN. May I express my deep appreciation and say this:

When I was in the Army I was just a shavetail lieutenant; I know

exactly what the Senator is talking about. I certainly appreciate it.

Senator JAVITS. I know the entire minority shares my view.

Senator PROUTY. I hope the chairman will have no occasion to

use it.

The CHAIRMAN. I assure you the chairman is very sparing in his

use of it and is deeply grateful to you gentlemen.

Dr. Garth L. Mangum, of Utah, would you come around, please.

Your nomination is before this committee to be the Executive Secretary of the National Commission on Technology, Automation, and

Economic Progress. We would be happy to have you make any

brief statement you might see fit with reference to your background

and experience and your qualifications for this position.

Dr. MANGUM. All right, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. I may say here, sir, that each member of the committee has a copy of Dr. Mangum's biographical sketch before him.

(The biographical sketch of Dr. Mangum follows:)

BIOGRAPHY OF DR. GARTH L. MANGUM

Born: July 23, 1926, at Delta, Utah.

Married to Marion Poll Mangum; three children.

EDUCATION

Brigham Young University: B.S., 1956.

Harvard University: M.P.A., 1958; Ph. D., 1960.

Thesis: "Wildcat Strikes and Union Pressure Tactics in American Industry."

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GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE

Executive Director, President's Committee on Manpower, Cabinet-level committee to coordinate manpower policy.

Research director, Senate Subcommittee on Employment and Manpower, 1963-64.

Directing extensive study of Nation's manpower problems.

Mediator, 1962-63, Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service and Department

of Labor. Served as special mediator in construction labor disputes on Government installation.

Consultant, Bureau of the Census, 1962. Advising on feasibility and methodology

of a census of the construction industry.

Senior staff analyst and consultant, Presidential Railroad Commission, 1961.

Made studies for Commission on wage incentive and seniority practices throughout American industry and grievance and arbitration procedures of railroad

industry.

Consultant, Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1960. Secretary of Labor's study of

"Collective Bargaining in the Basic Steel Industry." Interviewed officials

of most of the large basic steel companies and attended Steelworkers convention

and interviewed union leaders in attempt to ascertain causes of the 1959 steel

strike and other postwar steel strikes.

ACADEMIC EXPERIENCE

Associate professor of economics, Brigham Young University, 1960-63 (presently

on leave).

Research professor, Ford Foundation, 1962-63, studying economics and structure

of the construction industry.

Research associate, Harvard Graduate School of Public Administration, 1959-60.

Studying construction industry labor relations and writing history of International Union of Operating Engineers.

Research assistant, Brookings Institution, 1957-59, engaged in study under

direction of Sumner H. Slichter, James J. Healy, and E. Robert Livernash

which resulted in the book, "Impact of Collective Bargaining on Management,"

material gathered from extensive interviews with 150 companies and 40 unions

on every conceivable phase of industrial relations.

Instructor in economics, Harvard University, 1959-60.

Teaching fellow, Harvard University, 1957-59.

OTHER EXPERIENCE

Ten years as an employee and small businessman in trucking, mining, and construction.

Two and one-half years as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints (Mormon).

Army Air Force, World War II.

PUBLICATIONS

The Operating Engineers: Economic History of a Trade Union, Harvard University Press, 1964.

Wage Incentive Systems, Institute of Industrial Relations, University of

California, Berkeley, 1964.

Editor, Exploring the Dimensions of the Manpower Revolution, U.S. Senate,

Committee on Labor and Public Welfare, 88th Congress, 2d session

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1964.

Editor, The Labor Market Role of the State Employment Services, U.S. Senate,

Committee on Labor and Public Welfare, 88th Congress, 2d session, 1964.

Editor, Lessons from Foreign Labor Market Policies, U.S. Senate, Committee

on Labor and Public Welfare, 88th Congress, 2d session, 1964.

Editor, Apprenticeship and Manpower Development: United States and Abroad,

U.S. Senate Committee on Labor and Public Welfare, 88th Congress, 2d

session, 1964.

Editor, The Manpower Revolution: Selections from Senate Hearings, Joint

Council on Economic Education, 1964.

"Automation, Employment and Human Values," the Educational Record, spring,

1964.

"The Development of Local Union Jurisdiction in the International Union of

Operating Engineers," Labor History, fall, 1963.

"Alternative Investment Outlets for Idle State Operating Funds," State Government, summer, 1963 (with R. Joseph Monsen).
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"Integration of Seniority Lists in Transportation Mergers," Industrial and Labor

X,Relations Review, April 1963 (with Daniel H. Mater).

"Are Wage Incentives Obsolete?" Industrial Relations, fall, 1962.

The Investment of Idle State Funds, Utah Bankers Association, 1962 (with

R. Joseph Monsen).

"A History and Analysis of the National Railroad Adjustment Board, First

Division," Presidential Railroad Commission, Studies Relating to Railroad

Operating Employees, volume III, 1962.

"A Summary of Incentive Practices in American Industry," Ibid., volume IV.

"Seniority Practices—Railroad Operating Employees and Other Industries,"

loc. cit. (with Daniel H. Mater and John Gentry).

"Grievance Procedures for Railroad Operating Employees," Industrial and Labor

Relations Review, July 1962.

"The Benefit Principle: An Unexploited Source of Municipal Revenues and

Investment Decisions," Municipal Finance, February 1962.

Contributor to Bureau of Labor Statistics, Collective Bargaining in the Basic

Steel Industry, 1961.

"The Interaction Between Contract Administration and Contract Negotiation

in the Basic Steel Industry," Labor Law Journal, August 1961.

"One Union's Experience with the LMRDA," Symposium on the L MRD A,

Claitor, 1961.

"Taming Wildcat Strikes," Harvard Business Review, March—April 1960.

STATEMENT OF DR. GARTH L. MANGUM, OF UTAH

Dr. MANGUM. It is a pleasure for me to be here this morning,

Senator Hill. I think I might say whatever qualifications I have

for this position were primarily gained right here in a year as research

director of Senator Clark's subcommittee in which we went rather

deeply into some of these same areas that the Automation Commission

will go into—is already going into—so in some sense I look at this as

a continuation of that effort and, of course, it was during that period

of time that the bill was being considered which created the Commission, though it was passed after I had left.

The CHAIRMAN. But you worked with Senator Clark on the

legislation, did you not, quite a bit?

Dr. MANGUM. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. And heard the testimony of the witnesses?

Dr. MANGUM. Yes; during the period we were considering Senator

Javits' Resolution 105 that led up to this.

The CHAIRMAN. Research director on Senator Clark's subcommittee is one of Dr. Mangum's previous jobs, also a consultant with

the Bureau of the Census.

Senator CLARK. Senator, could I say just a word?

The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

Senator CLARK. I would not want to take credit foihaving invented

Dr. Mangum but I certainly want to take some credit for having discovered him and brought him here to Washington to work on the

Manpower Subcommittee for a better part of a year. He was intelligent, faithful, and very, very able. I hated to lose him to the Department of Labor. I have only high praise for his abilities and confidence 

that in his new position he is not only going to do a lot of splendid

work which this committee will strongly approve of, but within the

limits of loyalty and security I think he will be an invaluable source

of additional information for us.

Senator MORSE. An excellent appointment.

The CHAIRMAN. Any questions, gentlemen?

Senator JAVITS. Mr. Chairman?

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Javits.

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Senator JAVITS. I would assume that the Senators from Dr. Mangum's home State have approved this nomination?

The CHAIRMAN. Both of the Senators from Utah, Senator Moss and

Senator Bennett, have approved it and the clerk of the committee

advises me that both of the Senators are enthusiastic about this

appointment.

Senator PROUTY. Mr. Chairman, I may add I know Dr. Mangum

and I agree with everything Senator Clark expressed.

Senator JAVITS. May we ask one question?

The CHAIRMAN. Certainly.

Senator JAVITS. Dr. Mangum, what is the time limit to do this job

for the Commission? Is there any time under the bill?

Dr. MANGUM. Yes; the legislation requires a report to the President

and Congress on January 1, next.

Senator JAVITS. Do you think it can be done within that time?

Dr. MANGUM. Much can be done, everything could not be done

over 10 years. I think what the Commission could do within that

time, they can do much of the examination, much to put the picture

into perspective, and I think they can do much to recommend further

efforts and perhaps recommend some ongoing mechanisms by which

technological change that could be monitored in the future could

grow out of this.

Senator JAVITS. When you speak of an ongoing mechanism, do I

sense that you have such a dedication to this particular enterprise

that you would feel if you could possibly do it a responsibility to carry

on to see whatever is recommended was actually implemented?

Dr. MANGUM. I suppose we will have to wait until next January

to see about that. I am supposedly on leave from a university which

I continue to go on leave year after year but someday I suppose I

am going to have to either go back or resign.

Senator JAVITS. But you feel a commitment to this?

Dr. MANGUM. Yes; as I said, Senator, this is much that you and

others on this subcommittee were working very hard on and will

really require many years of continued effort to see that we get

adjusted to it and take advantage of all of the possibilities that come

out of this.

Senator JAVITS. I am certainly satisfied with this.

The, CHAIRMAN. Any further questions, gentlemen?

Senator CLARK. Mr. Chairman, may I have the privilege of moving

confirmation of the nominee?

The CHAIRMAN. The Senator from Pennsylvania moves the nomination be reported favorably to the Senate.

Is there any discussion?

[There was no response.]

The CHAIRMAN. All in favor of the motion signify by saying "Aye."

[There was a chorus of "ayes."]

The CHAIRMAN. Opposed, "No"?

[There was no response.]

The CHAIRMAN. The motion is unanimously carried, sir. We will

be happy to have you come before the committee and will be calling

you back again soon.

Dr. MANGum. I certainly hope SO. Thank you very much.

(Thereupon, at 10:20 a.m., the committee proceeded to other

business.)

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