From: Bob Smith [mailto:bsmith@federalpacific.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:09 AM 

To: Michael Rivest; Brian Coffey 

Cc: 'Robert Greeson' 

Subject: FW: LV Negotiating Group Technical Subcommittee 

Importance: High 

Mike & Brian:

Rob’s comments on the data needed for manufacturer validation.

Regards,

Bob Smith, PE 

Product Manager 

Federal Pacific

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Bristol, VA 24201 

  

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From: Robert Greeson [mailto:rgreeson@electro-mechanical.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:12 AM 

To: Bob Smith 

Subject: FW: LV Negotiating Group Technical Subcommittee 

Bob, 

Here are my comments on the data template from Navigant. 
Robert S. Greeson 

Engineering Manager, P.E.

Federal Pacific Company 

P.O. Box 8200 

Bristol, Virginia 24203-8200 

Phone - 276-645-8210 | Fax 276-645-8956 

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From: Robert Greeson [mailto:rgreeson@electro-mechanical.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:55 AM 

To: 'Brian Coffey'; 'Rob Greeson'; 'thomas.patzner@schneider-electric.com'; 

'vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com' 

Cc: 'Matthew Nardotti'; 'Chris Bolduc'; 'Richard Parker'; Bob Smith (bsmith@electro-mechanical.com) 

Subject: RE: LV Negotiating Group Technical Subcommittee 

Brian, 

The committee was formed to look at LVDT only but we may want to extend it to 

MVDT’s as well. I think the liquid manufacturers are satisfied with their costs but I could 

be wrong. 

There are two different potential problems here. (1) is design accuracy and (2) is 

pricing accuracy. 

The first problem will be hard to pinpoint as there are many different designs that will 

yield the same outcome. However, provided we are looking at lowest first cost, they 

should be relatively similar or at least similar from a cost standpoint. 

The second problem is pricing accuracy. More cost detail is probably needed. 

Therefore, I recommend using a Template that the NEMA member manufacturers which 

I have attached. 
Adding the following additional items could be of use from the standpoint of dry-types. 

1. Primary Conductor $ 

2. Secondary Conductor $ 

3. Total Winding Insulation $ 

4. Total Winding $ 

5. Core Steel $ 

6. Core and Coil Parts $ (includes insulation, clamps, terminals, buss, phase 

barriers, insulators etc) 

7. Enclosure $ 

8. Total Labor and Overhead $ 

9. Total Cost $ 

NOTE – We at Federal are assuming standard close coupled unit substations for pricing 

as these are the most common configurations for the dry-types. 

(There might be some other costs related to liquid not shown here if we do any work in 

this area) 

Total Material Cost = (4) + (5) + (6) + (7) 

Total Cost = Total Material Cost + (8) 

If we then show our predicted pricing, the mark-ups would be available for examination. 

This is quite a bit of work to be done but some data is better than none. I would like 

other’s comments on this. 

Let me also say, that I have been working directly with OPS on some of this as well and 

I hope to be able to identify 

I am assuming you want us to use the material costs 

Robert S. Greeson 

Engineering Manager, P.E.

Federal Pacific Company 

P.O. Box 8200 

Bristol, Virginia 24203-8200 

Phone - 276-645-8210 | Fax 276-645-8956 

Email: rgreeson@federalpacific.com
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From: Brian Coffey [mailto:brian.coffey@navigant.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:04 PM 

To: Rob Greeson; thomas.patzner@schneider-electric.com; vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com

Cc: Matthew Nardotti; Chris Bolduc; Richard Parker 

Subject: LV Negotiating Group Technical Subcommittee 

Rob, Thomas, Vijay,

I was not able to attend last Wednesday’s LV Negotiation Committee meeting, unfortunately, but

learned of the establishment of a LV Technical Committee convened to look specifically at the

engineering analysis. First, are there others that I ought to be including? Second, what steps did you

have in mind for us to begin working? I will start by including a template I sent to the MV Committee

members this afternoon that could be used to facilitate an bidirectional exchange of engineering data.

I believe we have standing nondisclosure agreements with Federal and Schneider, Rob and Thomas.

Vijay, I would be happy to set one up if you wished to provide confidential engineering data to Navigant.

I’ll copy/paste my email to the MV group below.

Best,

Brian

MV Committee Members,

Several of the group have proposed that DOE facilitate a bidirectional exchange of engineering data.

Attached is one kind of template that could be used to compare the ways in which different parties can

achieve certain efficiency levels. DOE would populate the spreadsheet with detailed design information

for the least cost transformers able to achieve the draft efficiency levels using different steels.

Data provided to DOE could then be compared to the DOE designs and differences explained. Because

this data would likely be considered confidential, Navigant is willing  to enter into nondisclosure

agreements with any party submitting such data. This process would first be used to verify the

engineering analysis of the current representative units and could be expanded to analyze scaling

relationships.

We welcome comments and specific suggestions of how this process could be implemented.

Best,

Brian Coffey
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