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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION 

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QUENTON T. BROWN ) FDMS No. FAA-2011-1009 

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Suite 600, Conference Room 

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Washington, D.C. 

Friday, 

March 23, 2012 

The parties met, pursuant to the notice, at 

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BEFORE: HONORABLE J.E. SULLIVAN g 

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QUENTON T. BROWN, Pro Se 

On Behalf of Agency: 

MARK G. CAMACHO, Esquire 

Office of the Regional Counsel 

Central Region, ACE-7 

Federal Aviation Administration 

901 Locust, Room 506 

Kansas City, Missouri 64106-2641 

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3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Quenton T. Brown. This is 

4 Docket No. FAA-2011-1109. Today is Friday, March 23, 

5 2 012, and the parties have convened by telephone for 

6 a telephone conference. I'll note that the Federal 

7 Aviation Administration is represented by its attorney 

8 of record, Mark. G. Camacho. The pro se litigant, 

9 Quenton T. Brown is not present, and there is no 

10 explanation for his absence. 

11 Prior to going on the record this afternoon, 

12 the legal secretary in my office convened this 

13 conference and notified everyone present that she had 

14 tried to call Mr. Brown at his telephone number of 

15 record which is (321)594-8501. She was not able to 

16 reach. Mr. Brown, but she did leave a message for him 

17 reminding him of this conference and that his 

18 appearance was requested. 

19 I'll also note that prior to today's;date, 

20 my legal secretary called Mr. Brown on March 19, 2012 

21 at approximately 10:12 a.m. She left him a detailed 

22 message advising him of this telephone conference, and 

23 including her name, phone number and asking him to 

24 return her call if he had any question about this 

25 conference. 

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1 To date, we have not heard from Mr. Brown 

2 either by telephone or in writing. So we are going to 

3 proceed without him. Mr. Camacho, I should ask you if 

4 you have had any contact with Mr. Brown prior to 

5 today's conference, say in the last two weeks? 

6 MR. CAMACHO: No, Judge. I have not had any 

7 contact with him since back, I think, I'm going on my 

8 best recollection, probably December 2011, something 

9 like that, other than that one and only time when he 

10 appeared on the teleconference that all of us were on. 

11 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then let's talk 

12 about the motion for default judgment which this Court 

13 received on March 1, 2012 by fax. And I wanted to 

14 chat with you a little bit about it.because there are 

15 some concerns I have•about the motion, and I thought 

16 we could just clear that up by a short conference and 

17 obviously address other matters if Mr. Brown had 

18 joined us today. In the motion for summary judgment -

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2 0 MR. CAMACHO: It's not a summary judgment. 

21 It's a default judgment. Judge. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you. In the motion 

23 for default judgment, you have laid out a statement of 

24 the case with some legal authority. You have argued 

25 that the issue is ripe for a default judgment. But 

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1 then you plead different relief. 

2 MR. CAMACHO: I'm sorry. Plead that from 

3 what? 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Pled different relief. So 

5 if you go to page 4 of your motion for default 

6 judgment. 

7 MR. CAMACHO: Let me go there. Let me pull 

8 it up. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

10 MR. CAMACHO: Yes, page 4. 

11 JUDGE SULLIVAN: The last paragraph starts 

12 with the word "wherefore" all in caps. 

13 MR. CAMACHO: Yes. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Would you read that 

15 silently to yourself for a moment? 

16 MR. CAMACHO: Judge, that is an error. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. 

18 MR. CAMACHO: My apologies. That is an 

19 error. That is actually, that actually, doggone it. 

2 0 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. 

21 MR. CAMACHO: I'm going to just state it for 

22 what it is. When my paralegal assisted me in putting 

23 this prayer of relief together, she copied the prayer 

24 of relief that was put in the motion to have the 

25 allegations deemed admitted, and this is not what I 

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1 wrote. And that's my responsibility. 

2 So I have, the onus is on me. I should have 

3 been more careful in reviewing it, but I've been with 

4 her for 22 years and I know that that's a poor excuse. 

5 But that is not the prayer of relief. That is 

6 improper. That is not what I intended to write. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Right. Because, as you 

8 know, I already granted the motion to --

9 MR. CAMACHO: Right. Right. That is 

10 correct. It's inconsistent with the body that's above 

11 it, and it is not what I intended to have in there. 

12 And it's not what I wrote originally. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well, that's 

14 helpful. And then I'm going to ask you also to, I'm 

15 going to ask you to correct that, number one. And 

16 then I'm going to ask you to do something else in 

17 addition to that. 

18 MR. CAMACHO: I'm anticipating what you're 

19 going to ask me, and I've sort of prepared myself. 

20 But I'll wait until I hear it, Judge. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. You probably know 

22 this already, but when there's a motion for default 

23 judgment, I have to establish that there is sufficient 

24 facts to support a money judgment. 

25 MR. CAMACHO: That may well be, Judge. But 

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1 go ahead. 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. And I can give you 

3 authority for that if you need to. 

4 MR. CAMACHO: No, I don't. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Sometimes we can establish 

5 that by just looking at the pleadings. 

7 MR. CAMACHO: And I'm going to suggest to 

8 you that in this case you can, but go ahead. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you. And sometimes 

10 when I look at the pleadings, I don't have sufficient 

11 fact. In this particular case, and I should say, in a 

12 default judgment, default judgments I look at the 

13 evidence in a light most favorable to the moving party 

14 as opposed to a summary judgment where I'm required to 

15 look at the evidence in a light most favorable to the 

16 non-moving party. 

17 So obviously in default judgments, I always 

18 give the nod of the hat to the moving party. As I 

19 read, and I want to chat with you about this, I tend 

2 0 to use the rules and resources explaining the rules 

21 pretty frequently in my judicial practice. 

22 And one of my favorite resources this year 

23 is the Federal Civil Rules Handbook, which was 

24 published in 2011 by a group of writers. The first 

25 one being Baicker-McKee (B as in boy, A as in apple, I 

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1 as in igloo, C as in cat, K as in kitten, E as in egg, 

2 R as in Robert) hyphen (M as in Mary, C as in cat, K 

3 as in kitten, E as in egg, E as in Edgar). 

4 In their discussion of Rule 55, and in my 

5 own experiences over the years as sitting as a judge, 

6 default judgments for factual findings typically are' 

7 preferred to have some way of showing how you got the 

8 money judgment that you are asking for. 

9 So it's supposed to stand the test of 

10 appellate review. It's supposed to be, on its face, 

11 easy for someone to take a look at, nod their head and 

12 say, oh, that makes sense to me. I can see where you 

13 got that money. 

14 An affidavit works. Another document would 

15 work. But simply saying that $11,000 is what you want 

16 and should have, in my opinion, isn't a sufficient 

17 factual basis to support a default judgment. 

18 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. And I would agree with 

19 you. Judge. And I would agree with you wholeheartedly 

20 if it were, because it would seem to be, as you 

21 stated, it would appear to be somewhat arbitrary and 

22 capricious which the law does not favor and obviously 

23 if you can't be there, you can't make a decision based 

24 on an absence of anything. And that makes sense. 

2 5 However - -

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2 note that the complaint - -

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And I'm looking at it. 

4 MR. CAMACHO: -- typically cites the 

5 statutory authority for that civil penalty which 

6 authorizes that. Our sanction guidance tables which 

7 we use, we'd be anxious to use it, authorizes that 

a level of civil penalty. 

9 The egregiousness of the facts alleged, 

10 which already have been deemed admitted, authorize it. 

11 Moreover, the approach, and I'm going to suggest this 

12 to you in terms of just digressing ever so slightly. 

13 The approach that in my experience the DOT 

14 office with regard to civil cases has taken^ does not 

15 seem to necessarily lend itself to relying strictly on 

16 Rule 55. I cited that as one of the authorities, one 

17 of the ways which, if you needed to, you could say do 

18 I have the authority to enter a default judgment? 

19 Yes, of course you do. Let me give you 

20 cites for two different cases, and one of them is a 

21 decision that was rendered by Judge Goodwin in a case 

2 2 very, very similar to this one where there was no 

23 answer to the complaint, and there was repeated 

24 efforts to try to get an answer, and he entered a 

25 default judgment for $340,000 upon motion. 

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1 And on review, the decision maker who at the 

2 time, this is a 2009 case , 2008 case , the decision 

3 maker who was then acting, Robert Sturgell, S-T-U-R-G4 E-L-L, now no longer with the agency, retired. 

5 The decision maker notes that while the 

6 Respondent company points out that the law does not 

7 favor default judgment, he goes on t o write, while 

8 that is true, the Rules of Practice in 14 C.F.R. Part 

9 13 (g) still require a showing of good cause to excuse 

10 a default because this default judgment was entered. 

11 And he goes on to say that as a conclusion, 

12 that because the Respondent failed to show good cause 

13 for its failure to file timely answer to the 

14 complaint, he decided to affirm the administrative law 

15 judge's order including the $340,000 civil penalty. 

16 That was not, there was no demonstrative 

17 showing on the part of the agency that had to do a 

18 line item breakdown as to how they got to the 340,000. 

19 Another decision entered by one of your 

20 colleagues. Judge Isaac Bankin as recently as October 

21 16, 2009, in the matter of Jason Arly, Respondent. 

22 Similarly, he failed to answer a complaint who was 

23 charged with smoking in the lavatory of an aircraft, a 

24 Northwest flight that was going from Michigan to 

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1 And he didn't answer the complaint. He 

2 didn't answer the motion for default, and the Judge, 

3 Judge Bankin writes, "In these circumstances, I have 

4 no alternative except to find and determine the 

5 Respondent has a legitimate complaint and allegations 

6 which allege that he did these various violations, and 

7 is liable for a civil penalty on accoun t of such 

8 violations. 

9 "The complaint alleges that the civil 

10 penalty of $2,200 is appropriate. Respondent's 

11 failure to file an answer seems to have been admitted, 

12 is deemed to have admitted this latter allegation 

13 also. That requires me to hold that the Respondent 

14 had a civil penalty in the amount of $2,200." 

15 And he so ordered it. That was not 

16 appealed. And I understand, of course, in terms of 

17 controlling, I'm just giving you something that's 

18 right on point for me in my position. Now, and the 

19 reason that I'm bringing this up is because I do not 

20 believe that the agency has an additional burden. 

21 Now, Judge, that's my position with regard 

22 as the representative for the agency, and forgive me 

23 if it sounds as if I'm being flippant when I tell you 

24 this, but I've been prosecuting these cases for going 

25 on 23 years. 

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1 I've never had a judge put me to the task of 

2 having to justify the dollar amount where we have 

3 these sets of facts versus having a trial where 

4 everything is being litigated. 

5 And, of course, I have a continuing ongoing 

6 burden relative to the civil penalty because it is 

7 being contested. We have no contest here, and we have 

8 a total failure on the part of this Respondent even to 

9 assert what his position is. 

10 He has actually not only been able to do 

11 that, but the facts have been deemed admitted. His . 

12 total lack of involvement demonstrates to me a 

13 willingness to at least on the face of it, arguably , 

14 withdraw his appeal, abandon his appeal, and basically 

15 sit and wait to take his licks whichever way they 

16 come. 

17 Our assessment of this, our proposal to 

18 assess the civil penalty is based on the guidance that 

19 we use internally, but more importantly, I cited the 

20 statutory authorities for that. That and the 

21 egregiousness of the facts alleged now are not in 

22 contest, certainly justify $11,000. 

23 In fact, historically, on cases similar to 

24 this, I've gone as high as 17,000 to 25,000 where 

25 there's been actual movement toward an assault versus 

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1 a somewhat removed quasi-assault type thing where 

2 people throw things within a contained aircraft, I 

3 mean a capsule flying at 35,000 feet. 

4 At any rate, that's my position. And if you 

5 believe that that is insufficient to carry the day, 

6 then, you know, I '11 have to do whatever I have to do 

7 beyond correcting the prayer of relief that's in the 

8 motion. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you very much, Mr. 

10 Camacho, and I appreciate the references that you have 

11 given me. And I understand that there has been some 

12 practice here by some judges to simply accept the 

13 notice of complaint on its face. 

14 I would note, however, that I have been 

15 sitting as a judge for almost 30 years. I have to 

16 think about the amount of time. Maybe closer to 25 

17 years, excuse me. I started in 1989. And it has been 

18 my experience in all those years and obviously we've 

19 been practicing in different areas --

2 0 MR. CAMACHO: Ye s. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: That when you have a sum, 

22 there has to be some actual assertion beyond what I 

23 have before me that the sum is reasonable and that 

24 there is a proof that the sum is justified. 

25 So whether that could be as simple as an 

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1 affidavit from you saying that you've reviewed the 

2 sum, that it meets all the criteria of the elements 

3 you're supposed to prove had this case gone to trial 

4 or whether it is a copy of the sheet that you have 

5 internally that caused you to come up with this 

6 figure. 

7 MR. CAMACHO: Understood, Judge. I 

8 understand, and I can provide that. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Good. 

10 MR. CAMACHO: I wanted to just state my 

11 position, and I understand that you would prefer to 

12 have that kind of evidence or that kind of 

13 documentation before you render a decision on the 

14 motion. 

15 And I will certainly•comply with your wishes 

16 because there's no reason not to. I can do it, but I 

17 did feel compelled to bring to your attention the 

18 experience that I have limited in this particular type 

19 of case based on cases rendered by your colleagues. 

20 But, you know, you're the Judge, and I've 

21 got a motion in front of you. And if you're not going 

22 to rule on it until you get this kind of stuff, these 

23 documentations that you've requested, I can provide it 

24 and I will. 

25 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you. What I would 

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1 like to have you do if you would be so kind is to 

2 simply file an amended motion for default judgment 

3 that amends your prayer for relief essentially so that 

4 I can act on it. 

5 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And that also adds whatever 

7 you feel would be a factual proof basis that 

8 supplements your notice of complaint so that I "can 

9 sign an order saying I have been provided a factual 

10 basis that will stand the test of appeal. 

11 MR. CAMACHO: I can do that. 

12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And it can be something 

13 very simple that could be generated in your office 

14 without too much ado I think. 

15 MR. CAMACHO: Right. Right. I can do that, 

16 Judge. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And in the meantime, I 

18 would be happy to read the cases you have cited and 

19 then look for some more of my own. 

2 0 MR. CAMACHO: Good. Good. Let give you 

21 that, let me give you, if I may, forgive me for 

22 overstepping you, but I think I failed to give you the 

23 citation on the first case which is, if you're ready. 

24 It's cited In the Matter of Global Peace 

2 5 Initiative, Inc. That's the one where Judge Goodwin 

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1 rendered a decision. Global Peace Initiative, Inc. 

2 The FAA order is, actually which number is the one 

3 that's easiest to find? The FDMS No. or Docket No.? 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Either one. 

5 MR. CAMACHO: The Docket No. is CP07EA0013, 

6 CP, Charlie Pappa 07EA0013, and it was served on 

7 August 21, 2008. And that comes from the decision 

8 maker based on a prior default judgment entered by 

9 Judge Goodwin on October 24, 2007 for $340,000. 

10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

11 MR. CAMACHO: The other decision rendered by 

12 Judge Bankin which did not go up on appeal is In the 

13 Matter of Jaso n h . Sarli, S-A-R-L-I. FAA Docket No. 

14 CP, Charlie Pappa 09AL, I gather that's for Atlantic, 

15 0006. Aiid that was served October 16, 2009. 

16 Again, this was the Judge's order granting 

17 motion for default judgment. That amount was only 

18 $22,000. So those are the two that I found and I 

19 didn't go any further. I figure they were pretty much 

20 on point relative to the facts. 

21 And the outcome seemed to support our 

22 position based on experience. But, you know. Judge, 

2 3 again, you're the Judge. And, you know, when the 

24 Court wants something in order to try to get to the 

25 next level of where we have to move forward on, I'm 

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1 happy to do what has to be done. 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. I appreciate that, 

3 and I would just note.for you that I do appreciate 

4 your expertise in this matter. I simply, in my 

5 experiences since sitting on the bench beginning my 

6 service on the bench in 1989, my experiences have been 

7 different. 

8 MR. CAMACHO: I understand. 

9 MR. CAMACHO: And so I'll ask you to take 

10 care of that matter. How long do you think you'll 

11 need to file? 

12 MR. CAMACHO: Judge, I'll get it to you 

13 . within one week from today. You'11 have it even 

14 before then. 

15 • JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Great. Then I will 

16 look forward to it, and thank you very much for this 

17 educational conference. Is there anything else that I 

18 need to address for you and your client? 

19 MR. CAMACHO: No, Judge, but there is 

20 something I'm curious about. And I guess it's kind of 

21 a matter of interesting protocol. And for me, it will 

22 help me understand better. At one point, I had a 

23 discussion with you as an alternative to motions. 

24 No. You actually asked me a question, and 

25 when I filed the motion to have the motion that was 

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1 filed to have the allegations admitted had, as part of 

2 its prayer of relief, a request that the matter be 

3 somewhat bifurcated so that we had a hearing on only 

4 the issue of sanction. 

5 Why? Because that's what historically as 

6 experienced with the judges who once addressed the 

7 issue of sanction which is now the topic of this 

8 teleconference. 

9 At that point, you indicated to me that that 

10 may not be necessary because it really was an 

11 unnecessary expenditure of time, effort, energy. And 

12 these are my words, but I interpreted it that way. 

13 And I said, okay. Well, then, you know, if 

14 we can do it by motion, that would be great. It has 

15 never been my experience with regard to sanctions to 

16 not have a hearing on the sanction portion of it 

17 because judges always want to have, they want to hear 

18 the testimony. 

19 The judges have always wanted to have a 

20 hearing for the very purpose that you're seeking, 

21 which is to have a record of why is it that you think 

22 the sanction is what it is or can you justify it or 

23 something like that. 

24 However, one would want to frame that. I 

25 think we're on the same page except that instead of 

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1 having the hearing, I think what you're doing in large 

2 measure is seeking, is putting documentation- rather 

3 than having the expenditure of time, effort, and 

4 energy in a venue someplace and a hearing and travel. 

5 I just have not had the opportunity to look 

6 at it or experience it the way that you're addressing 

7 it today. But I believe that the end result that was 

8 previously sought with the "lets have a hearing on the 

9 sanction only" seeks to arrive at the same place. 

10 I have to believe that because it makes 

11 sense. The practice of law has some consistency, 

12 inherent consistency in terms of being subject to 

13 review and the Judge wants to have the decision 

14 sustain that review. 

15 I mean, withstand scrutiny such that it's 

16 upheld. I mean, I know you know that, but at any 

17 rate, I just wanted to make sure we're on the same 

18 page because in the future should we find ourselves 

19 addressing another case, I would expect that you, if 

20 we get into a similar situation, you would again not 

21 seek to have a hearing on the sanction issue, and I 

22 would not request that. I would request that probably 

23 with Judge Goodwin because he has, his practice is 

24 everything west of the Mississippi. 

25 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I understand that. In 

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1 essence, I believe you and I are on the same page in 

2 that for me, if a case if ripe for a default judgment, 

3 there's no reason to bifurcate the motion to achieve a 

4 default judgment. 

5 In essence, if someone, say like in this 

6 case, has basically dropped out of sight and has 

7 evinced through behavior and action absolutely no 

8 interest in pursuing any type of hearing. 

9 That seems to cry out for the expedient use 

10 of a motion for default judgment as opposed to a 

11 motion to deem allegations admitted, a motion for a 

12 hearing on sanction only or, in the alternative, a 

13 second motion for. default judgment on the civil 

14 penalty portion. 

15 I think it can all be done in one motion, 

16 and that can either be a motion for summary judgment 

17 or a motion for default. The motion for default 

18 obviously is to the moving party's advantage because 

19 the Court is required to look at all evidence and 

20 documentation in a light most favorable to the 

21 movement since the responding party has disappeared. 

22 In default judgments, typically even if the 

23 totality of the documents that are referred to or 

24 attached to the motion of default support, you know, 

25 the finding of violation, as I understand default 

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1 judgments as a generality, there still must be, within 

2 that motion, some statement that shows that the sum 

3 requested not only has been pled specifically, and in 

4 these cases, you usually plead a specific amount. 

5 But also that the sum can be proven by 

6 computation in some way, shape or form, that it's not 

7 just an amount that was pulled out of the air. When 

8 that happens, then any reviewing body who is 

9 confronted by a motion to --

10 MR. CAMACHO: Set the default judgment 

11 aside. 

12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: -- set the judgment aside, 

13 has to look at not only whether there's good cause for 

14 the absence, but whether there's any basis to set 

15 aside the amount because of a^ legitimate defense. 

16 So it makes the default judgment sort of 

17 appellate-proof, in my opinion, and it makes the 

18 confidence of the reviewing body in the default 

19 judgment itself much more certain. 

20 So it is a protective measure I think that 

21 was built into the rules to help people who seek a 

22 default judgment not have to come back a year or two 

23 later and litigate the whole thing. 

24 MR. CAMACHO: Very well. Understood. And I 

25 appreciate that explanation. That's very good. I 

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1 think because I've been in government for so long and 

2 I stepped out of being a JAG officer doing seven years 

3 of criminal prosecution and defense, and came into, I 

4 did not practice in the civil sector except, again, 

5 only doing criminal cases. 

6 So I don't have historically, the experience 

7 of actually going to court, seeking judgment, money 

8 judgements, trying to get, you know, trying to get 

9 them enforced, et cetera, such that I have a good 

10 grasp of the type of support that I would need for 

11 that. 

12 My experience then is limited in the last 23 

13 years to this agency as far as this practice, and 

14 historically it's been different. Experientially, it 

15 hasn't been, similar to what you're suggesting here, 

16 it has been different. 

17 So, you know, I think the better practice is 

18 the way you're doing it, you're suggesting today. And 

19 I'm going to work at adopting that and interweaving 

20 that into future cases with Judge Goodwin who is 

21 predominantly the judge that I see because we're on, 

22 west of the Mississippi. 

23 Thank you for explaining that to me, and I 

24 appreciate that. I think it's a matter of good 

25 practice. As a lawyer, I can see the wisdom in that. 

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1 And as a judge clearly, that would bode even more so 

2 because you don't want to have your decisions 

3 overturned. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Not only that, but it puts 

5 you in a, I think, a very persuasive position with 

6 your respondents as well. Particularly, if you add 

7 that kind of information into your original notice. 

8 MR. CAMACHO: Right. Because then it does 

9 shift the burden and they're going to have to overcome 

10 that which sometimes can be done. People who have 

11 good lawyers, they'll find an argument or make an 

12 argument that at least is facially, you know, worth • 

13 listening to. Whether it has merit or not in the 

14 bottom line is another question. 

15 Judge, thank you very much. I don't have 

16 any other issues to address or any other questions. I 

17 understand fully. Within a week, you'll have the 

18 amended motion and you'll have supporting 

19 documentation with regard to the sanction. 

2 0 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Thank you so much, 

21 Mr. Camacho. It looks like our business is complete. 

22 I'll wish you a very good day, and we ca n go off the 

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24 MR. CAMACHO: Thank you, Judge. 

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