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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION 

OFFICE OF HEARINGS 

WASHINGTON, D.cRECEIVEc:~ 

IN THE MATTER OF: 

M,t1Y 0 1 2015 

HEARING DOCKET 

FEDERAL AVIATION 

ADMINISTRATION FDMS No. 

FAA-2014-0812 

Complainant, 

v. 

NORTHEASTERN AVIATION 

CORPORATION, 

Respondent. 

Thursday, 

April 16, 2015 

Via Teleconference 

The litigation scheduling conference 

began, pursuant to notice, at 1:32 p.m. 

BEFORE: THE HONORABLE J.E., SULLIVAN, 

Administrative Law Judge 

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APPEARANCES: 

On Behalf of the Complainant: 

ZACHARY M. BERMAN, ESQ. 

Office of Regional Counsel, 

Eastern Region 

Federal Aviation Administration 

1 Aviation Plaza 

Jamaica, NY 11434 

(718) 553-3258 

On Behalf of the Respondent: 

Mr. Edward J. Longosz II 

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of: Eckert Seamans Cherin & Mellott, LLC 

12th Floor 

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1717 Pennsylvania Ave., NW 

Washington, DC 20006 

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1 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 

2 1:31 p.m. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: We're on the record in 

4 the matter of Northeastern Aviation Corporation. 

5 This is Docket Number FAA-2014-0812. 

6 Today is Thursday, April 16, 2015, and 

7 the parties have convened for a second litigation 

8 scheduling conference. 

9 I'll note that the conference was 

10 originally set let me just double check my 

11 material -- was originally set for April 7, 2015, 

12 at 1:30 p.m. As the record should show, we had 

13 some power outages on April 6, 2015, which then 

14 carried over into April 7, 2015. And, as a 

15 result we didn't have access to phones or a 

16 computer, and the matter was continued to today' s 

17 date and time. 

18 So, thank you all for your patience in 

19 this regard. I will note that present on behalf 

20 of the FAA is Mr. Zachary M. Berman. Present on 

21 behalf of the Respondent is Mr. Edward J. 

22 Longosz, II. 

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l Counsel, I'll quickly note that I also 

2 had a chance to take a look several times at your 

3 jointly proposed scheduling/discovery call that 

4 was filed with the office on March 26, 2015, and 

5 we need to talk about a couple things, and then I 

6 think we'll have a better idea of what our time 

7 line is. 

8 In essence, in the material that you 

9 submitted, you indicated that you would be ready 

10 for a hearing in New York City in or around the 

11 week of January 12, 2016, which is a wonderful 

12 place to start. 

13 And, I mentioned to Mr. Berman last 

14 week, on April 7, 2015, I' actually, am 

15 scheduling, or have been scheduling a little 

16 farther into 2016 at this point, and I had 

17 originally suggested the week of April 25, 2016 

18 to him in our brief dialogue. He advised me at 

19 that time that that was not a good week for him. 

20 So, Mr. Berman, I am going to start with 

21 you, and let's talk about your calendar 

22 availability shortly after the week of April 25, 

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1 2015. Do you have any preferred times, or dates, 

2 or non-preferred times, or dates? 

3 MR. BERMAN: Let me check my schedule on 

4 my calendar here. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

6 MR. BERMAN: I guess I'm open pretty much 

7 any time after, well, Monday, May -- on May 2nd 

8 or thereafter. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, for example, would 

10 you be able to travel on May 2nd, or is May 2nd a 

11 backout date? 

12 MR. BERMAN: I'd be able to travel May 

13 2nd. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Let's turn to 

15 you, Mr. Longosz. Do you have any particular 

16 blackout times at this point, say, the week of 

17 May 2nd? 

18 MR. LONGOSZ: The week of May 2nd, 

19 actually, is a good week, Your Honor. 

20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well then, let's 

21 plan on the week of May 2nd. And, as I 

22 understand from your material, you are fairly 

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1 confident that a two-day trial will be sufficient 

2 for everything. Mr. Berman? 

3 MR. BERMAN: Yes, I would agree with 

4 that. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and Mr. Longosz? 

6 MR. LONGOSZ: I would agree. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. Berman, do 

8 you have a preference for whether you want to 

9 have the trial Tuesday and Wednesday, Wednesday 

10 or Thursday? 

11 MR. BERMAN: Either would be fine. 

12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Longosz, same 

13 question to you. 

14 MR. LONGOSZ: Either is fine with us, 

15 Your Honor, whichever you prefer. 

16 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well, why don't 

17 we set this for Wednesday, the 4th and Thursday 

18 the 5th, with travel on Tuesday, the 3rd, and 

19 travel on Friday, the 6th. And then, that will 

20 help us decide what kind of little tweaking we 

21 might want to do with some of the other materials 

22 that you've provided. 

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1 Let's see, I went through-- you had 

2 indicated starting the general discovery request 

3 on or about May 4. My question to you is, and 

4 I'll start with Mr. Berman, have you already 

5 exchanged initial disclosures, as described under 

6 generally, described under Rule 2 6 (A) ( 1)? 

7 MR. BERMAN: No, we have not. 

8 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well, why don't 

9 we have those exchanged by May 1, 2015, and then 

10 we can start general discovery on May 4, 2015 --

11 I'm sorry, yes, 2015. Does that work for you, 

12 Mr. Berman? 

13 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, Mr. Longosz? 

15 MR. LONGOSZ: Yes. 

16 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then let's talk 

17 a little bit about some of the other dates. You 

18 had indicated expert disclosures to be exchanged 

19 on July 1, 2015. Do you want simultaneous expert 

20 disclosures with follow-up expert rebuttal 

21 reports if needed. Is that what you are telling 

22 me, Mr. Berman? 

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1 MR. BERMAN: Yes, that's the way I would 

2 want it. Yes. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, what about you, Mr. 

4 Longosz? 

5 MR. LONGOSZ: That's fine, Your Honor. 

6 Usually, I like to have it staggered, but as long 

7 as we have follow-up rebuttal we can provide 

8 whatever information rebuttal to Claimant's 

9 expert. 

10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, if we had follow11 up, because we have some time. 

12 MR. LONGOSZ: Right. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I can put July 1, 2015 

14 for the FAA. Would two weeks out give you enough 

15 time to then provide your expert items, and then 

16 we can have rebuttal after that? 

17 MR. LONGOSZ: That would be fine, Your 

18 Honor, yes. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, July 1, 2015 

20 for the FAA, July 15, 2015 for the Respondent. 

21 Would August 7th work for both of you for 

22 providing any expert rebuttal? 

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1 Mr. Berman? 

2 MR. BERMAN: Yes, that would work. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, Mr. Longosz? 

4 MR. LONGOSZ: Yes, Your Honor, that would 

5 work. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then let's talk 

7 about completion of discovery. You had indicated 

8 an August 3, 2015 deadline for completion of 

9 discovery. And, obviously, we can push that back 

10 a little bit. Obviously, if you want to finish 

11 by then you are welcome to do so, but we don't 

12 need to set the deadline so short, particularly, 

13 if we are not going to be at hearing until May 2 

14 or 3, 2016. 

15 How about this? Let's talk first about 

16 when you want to exchange your final list of 

17 witnesses and your exchange of exhibits, prior to 

18 the hearing date on Wednesday, May 5, 2016, and 

19 then we can backtrack from there for some of the 

20 other matters. 

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1 Mr. Berman? 

2 MR. BERMAN: Yes, that would be fine. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: You had indicated in 

4 your proposal about a six-week spread of time 

5 between the time you do that and the hearing. Is 

6 that still preferred, or do you have a preferred 

7 other bank of time that you want to work with? 

8 MR. BERMAN: I that six-week time frame 

9 would work. 

10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, Mr. Longosz, is 

11 that still acceptable to you? 

12 MR. LONGOSZ: It is, Your Honor, yes. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, in looking at 

14 my 2016 calendar, that would put you at about 

15 March 26th for exchanging your list of witnesses 

16 and exhibits prior to the hearing. 

17 MR. LONGOSZ: This is Ed Longosz, Your 

18 Honor. I guess we would back March 26th 

19 appears to be a Saturday, a weekend. 

20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes, I'm looking at the 

21 2016 calendar, and according to my calendar it's 

22 a Tuesday. 

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1 MR. LONGOSZ: March 16? 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: March 2 

3 MR. BERMAN: March 26. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm 

5 looking at April 26. 

6 So, March 22, excuse me, thank you for 

7 pointing that out. Does that work better? 

8 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 

9 MR. LONGOSZ: Ed Longosz, Your Honor, 

10 yes, it does for me. 

11 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, let's 

12 backtrack a little farther than that. We need to 

13 talk about a deadline for completing discovery 

14 and a deadline for filing dispositive motions. 

15 Why don't we-- I'm going to suggest some things, 

16 and you can look at your calendars and then tell 

17 me if this will work. 

18 If we had a deadline of November 6, 2015 

19 for completing general discovery, we could then 

20 set a deadline for filing dispositive motions 

21 around December 4, with answers in early January, 

22 say, January 8th, replies late in January, say, 

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1 January 22nd, and then set the telephone motion 

2 conference, let's say, February 9 or 10. That 

3 would give me enough time to issue a meaningful 

4 summary judgment order, if such is needed, prior 

5 to you filing any witness lists and/or 

6 compilation of exhibits. 

7 But, I'm happy to play a little bit with 

8 those dates, if you have something that works 

9 better. 

10 Mr. Berman, why don't we start with you, 

11 what are your thoughts about that? 

12 MR. BERMAN: The dates you proposed sound 

13 fine. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. Longosz, how 

15 about you? 

16 MR. LONGOSZ: They sound fine, Your 

17 Honor. It misses the holidays, and I think it 

18 would work very well with my calendar. Thank 

19 you. 

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JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well then, let's talk 

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1 dispositive motion or cross motions are filed 

2 December 4, we could set the response time for 

3 either January 8th or January 15th, and then the 

4 reply for either January 22nd or January 29. 

5 Mr. Berman, do you have a preference? 

6 MR. BERMAN: A preference for either 

7 January -- for the --

8 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, the first option 

9 is for the date for filing an answer to any 

10 dispositive motion, and that would be either 

11 January 8th or January 15, 2016. 

12 MR. BERMAN: I would opt for the latter, 

13 the 15th. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: The 15th? 

15 Mr. Longosz, how about for you? 

16 MR. LONGOSZ: That's fine. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

18 MR. LONGOSZ: I'm agreeable to that. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Then how about setting 

20 the reply date for January 29? 

21 Mr. Berman, is that acceptable? 

22 MR. BERMAN: Yes, that sounds fine. 

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1 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And, Mr. Longos z? 

2 MR. LONGOSZ: Yes, Your Honor, that's 

3 fine. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then let's take 

5 a look at -- I'm just checking to see what my 

6 calendar is like -- how about February 9th or 

7 lOth for a telephone motion conference. And, 

8 this would be for 90 minutes total. We may not 

9 need all of that time, but I want to schedule it 

10 just in case. 

11 Mr. Berman, do you have a preference, or 

12 do either of those days work? 

13 MR. BERMAN: Yes, either of those days 

14 would work. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Do you have a 

16 preference for morning or afternoon? 

17 MR. BERMAN: February 9th is what day of 

18 the week? 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: It's a Tuesday. 

20 MR. BERMAN: No, no preference to morning 

21 or afternoon. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Longosz, same 

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1 question to you. 

2 MR. LONGOSZ: I'm okay either way, Your 

3 Honor. The 9th is a Tuesday, the lOth is a 

4 Wednesday, either day is fine, any time those two 

5 days. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Let's do it on 

7 FebruarylO, 2016, andlet'splanforlO:OOa.m., 

8 to 11:30 a.m. And then, if no dispositive 

9 motions are filed, this matter will remain on the 

10 calendar, and it will be automatically converted 

11 to a pre-hearing status conference. So, keep it 

12 on your calendar. 

13 In addition, I'm going to be sending out 

14 a litigation procedural order that will contain 

15 all of these dates in it. It will also identify 

16 how to mark your exhibits, how to bring them to 

17 the hearing. It will identify how to file for 

18 motions, when to file ideally, what to do if you 

19 need to get on the court's calendar for other 

20 matters, you are certainly welcome to contact the 

21 attorney with whom I work, Mr. Smith, and ask him 

22 to look at my calendar and see when I'm 

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1 available, so that you both can have something 

2 set on the calendar that works with your 

3 calendars as well. 

4 And, typically, when that happens you 

5 want to talk to each other first, identify three 

6 or four mutually agreeable dates, and then 

7 contact Mr. Smith about what, if any of those 

8 would work. 

9 So, there's also information in this 

10 litigation procedure order about what to do if 

11 you need to modify it. Let's see, attorney 

12 withdrawal if there's a problem in any way, shape 

13 or form, and you need to withdraw, how to do that 

14 before the court and so forth. 

15 So, starting with you, Mr. Berman, is 

16 there anything else that we need to address for 

17 your client today? 

18 MR. BERMAN: No, JUDGE. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. Longosz, on 

20 behalf of your client? 

21 MR. LONGOSZ: Your Honor, the only thing 

22 I would ask is, Number 7 and Number 8 on the 

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1 proposed scheduling order, will that be addressed 

2 in the litigation procedural order for the time 

3 when witnesses and exhibits are exchanged? Or, 

4 are we going with the March 22 date for witnesses 

5 and exhibits? 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: That 1 s what I would like 

7 to do. We had talked about scheduling it on 

8 March 22nd. 

9 MR. LONGOSZ: Okay, I have that down 

10 then. 

11 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. But, I will 

12 include all of the dates that we've talked about 

13 and agreed to in this litigation procedural 

14 order, all of them. 

15 So --

16 MR. LONGOSZ: Then on Number 8, Your 

17 Honor --

18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. 

19 MR. LONGOSZ: is that something 

20 that's embedded in your litigation procedural 

21 order? 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. 

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1 MR. LONGOSZ: Okay. So, we don't have 

2 the December 1 date. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Correct. 

4 MR. LONGOSZ: Okay, thank you. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. What you have done 

6 is, you have proposed when you filed on March 26, 

7 2015, the jointly proposed scheduling/discovery 

8 plan. We've convened today to talk about it, and 

9 to talk about whether it's going to work or not 

10 with the court's calendar. 

11 And, I have, as you know, indicated that 

12 much as I would like to, I do not have time 

13 available the week that you proposed for hearing, 

14 which is January 12th and 13th of 2016. But, I 

15 do have time in April and May, 2016. 

16 So, we pushed out many of the dates that 

17 you originally proposed to new dates, which we've 

18 talked about in the record, and which I will 

19 codify in writing in the litigation procedural 

20 order that I will issue. And, you will probably 

21 see it faxed to your office tomorrow. 

22 MR. LONGOSZ: Okay, Your Honor. 

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1 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And then, if you see any 

2 errors or things that strike you as not okay, or 

3 that you had reconsideration on, you can always 

4 set up a new conference. I'm very good about 

5 keeping to what -- I mean, what you'll see is 

6 what we've talked about, are the dates that we've 

7 talked about and agreed to. 

8 Does that answer your question? 

9 MR. LONGOSZ: Yes, Your Honor. I was 

10 just knowing that some procedural orders have 

11 some additional things that may be embedded in 

12 them, that works what we discussed. But, it does 

13 answer my question, thank you, I have the dates, 

14 appreciate that. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. You 1 ll find in this 

16 procedural order that it will talk about how you 

17 cannot serve more than 30 interrogatories 

18 pursuant to the regulation, that if you want to 

19 file a motion for limiting discovery how to do 

20 that, what to do, how to file a motion to compel 

21 discovery, that you have to supplement an event 

22 discovery, and I will cite to the regulations for 

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1 all of those different things. 

2 I haven't spoken, specifically, about 

3 them, because they are contained in the 

4 regulations, but I do identify it in the 

5 litigation procedural order, which is about four 

6 and a half pages long. 

7 But again, if there's anything in this 

8 order that comes as a surprise to you, or that 

9 you think should be changed, there's a method to 

10 modify the order, and that's listed on page five, 

11 in paragraph I. So, hopefully, it will meet all 

12 of your needs and it will be very pleasing for 

13 you when you receive it. 

14 With that --

15 MR. LONGOSZ: Very well, Your Honor, 

16 thank you very much. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: okay, you are 

18 welcome -- with that, it appears our business is 

19 complete. I'm going to thank both counsel for 

20 your work in preparing the proposed scheduling 

21 plan and for your presence today, and for your 

22 patience with the court's computer outages last 

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2 We can go off the record, and I wish you 

3 all a good day. Thank you. 

4 MR. BERMAN: Thank you, Your Honor. 

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method 20:9 

minutes 14:8 

misses 12:17 

modify 16:11 20:10 

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9:1815:4 

week 4:11,14,17,19,22 

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18:13 21:1 

weekend 10:19 

weeks 8:14 

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C E R T I F I C A T E 

This is to certify that the foregoing transcript 

In the matter of: Northeastern Aviation 

Before: DOT 

Date: 04-16-15 

Place: teleconference 

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under 

my direction; further, that said transcript is a 

true and accurate record of the proceedings. 

(202) 234-4433 

Court Reporter 

NEAL R. GROSS 

COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 

1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. 

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005·3701 www.nealrgross.com