Re: Today's call 

Jeff Ryan to: David Ogulei 10/02/2012 08:56 AM

Cc: Charles Hall, Dan Bivins, Kim Garnett, Sarah Marshall

Glad I asked. I think we're mostly on the same page then. Lilly is happy to talk about their operating 

experiences. Discussing what's going on at Evonic DeGussa is not something thay want to talk about, but 

you can always ask.

I do think the papers and presentations are helpful, especially regarding the alternative monitoring plan 

petition and implementation which Dan can speak to as well. 

I've already asked about stack at Tippe - ~ 8% moisture at 140 F. Not like Veolia. Pall said they can 

handle 40% moisture no problem.

I think the best outcome of making contact with Lilly is getting the presentations and paper.

Note: Keith Beach with EDeG is the lead and therefore corresponding author. I think it would be 

appropriate to call them and find out why they are no longer operating the MM CEM.

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 Jeff Ryan

 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

 Office of Research and Development

 National Risk Management Research Laboratory

 Air Pollution Prevention and Control Division

 Air Pollution Technology Branch

 109 T.W. Alexander Drive

 Mail Drop E305-01

 Research Triangle Park, NC 27711

 (919) 541-1437 (919) 541-0554 FAX

 "And all this science, I don't understand." 

 "It's just my job 5 days a week"

 Elton John - Rocket Man

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David Ogulei Hi Jeff, Glad you asked. There are two parrallel... 10/02/2012 09:33:04 AM

From: David Ogulei/R5/USEPA/US

To: Jeff Ryan/RTP/USEPA/US@EPA

Cc: Charles Hall/R5/USEPA/US@EPA, Dan Bivins/RTP/USEPA/US@EPA, Kim 

Garnett/RTP/USEPA/US@EPA, Sarah Marshall/R5/USEPA/US@EPA

Date: 10/02/2012 09:33 AM

Subject: Re: Today's call

Hi Jeff,

Glad you asked. There are two parrallel interests here in Region 5: the permitting group is primarily 

interested in all available information regarding the current status, reliability and availability of the 

multimetals CEMS for monitoring purposes at a HWI. We would like to explore Eli Lilly's experience with 
the MM CEMS and identify any technical issues that would prevent the MM CEMS from being

immediately deployable at a HWI. For permitting purposes, we would be interested in both the pros and 

cons of having the MM CEMS at a HWI (right now) in lieu of monitoring operating parameters. What 

benefits did Eli Lilly experience? How did the CEMS data compare with the predicted MACT 

concentrations based on feedstream analysis? Is Evonik Degussa currently operating the unit? Do we 

know of any issues with the unit since 2010? Are there other commercially available MM CEMS in the 

market?

I believe enforcement is looking for factual information related to both the Hg CEMS and the MM CEMS 

but I will let them speak. 

Thanks!

-David

David Ogulei 

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Region 5 | Air & Radiation Division | A-18J 

77 West Jackson Blvd. | Chicago, Illinois 60604 

Phone: (312) 353-0987 | Fax: (312) 692-2080

Ogulei.David@epa.gov

Jeff Ryan I'm glad I did speak with Rick and Mike 1st. I ne... 10/02/2012 08:14:01 AM

From: Jeff Ryan/RTP/USEPA/US

To: Charles Hall/R5/USEPA/US@EPA, Dan Bivins/RTP/USEPA/US@EPA, David 

Ogulei/R5/USEPA/US@EPA, Kim Garnett/RTP/USEPA/US@EPA, Sarah 

Marshall/R5/USEPA/US@EPA, 

Date: 10/02/2012 08:14 AM

Subject: Today's call

I'm glad I did speak with Rick and Mike 1st. I needed to know their boundaries. 

But I also want to make sure that we hit on as much as possible what you guys need to know. To be 

honest, last we spoke you guys were interested in Hg CEMs. Not sure how MM CEMS are now front and 

center.

To me, what you guys are most interested in is the status and readiness of MM CEMs. Am I correct? Do 

you have specific questions?

The main reason I ask is so that we have some structure to the call. I'm not positive of the purpose. If we 

can narrow that down, that would help.

I think to start off, we should hear what info or topics you guys would like to discuss. At least go over your 

objectives and go from there. Did you guys have an agenda in mind?

____________________________________________________

 Jeff Ryan

 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

 Office of Research and Development

 National Risk Management Research Laboratory

 Air Pollution Prevention and Control Division

 Air Pollution Technology Branch

 109 T.W. Alexander Drive
 Mail Drop E305-01

 Research Triangle Park, NC 27711

 (919) 541-1437 (919) 541-0554 FAX

 "And all this science, I don't understand." 

 "It's just my job 5 days a week"

 Elton John - Rocket Man

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