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IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT

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MARIUS VADUVA , ALINA VADUVA, VALENTINO CONSTANTIN, ALEX VADUVA, DENIS VADUVA, FABIO VADUVA, Petitioner s ,

versus
U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL, Respondent.

________________________ Petition for Review of a Decision of the Board of Immigration Appeals

________________________ ( December 28, 2020 ) USCA11 Case: 18-14585 Date Filed: 12/28/2020 Page: 1 of 62 Before JILL PRYOR , NEWSOM and ANDERSON , Circuit Judges.
PER CURIAM: P etitioner s Marius Vaduva and Alina Vaduva, along with their four children , ( together, the “Vaduvas”) petition for review of the Board of Immigration Appeals ’ (“BIA”) order denying their motion to terminate removal proceedings

. 1
A fter the Vaduvas entered the United States without inspection , the Department of Homeland Security issued them notices to appear , alleging that they were subject to removal under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(A)(i). None of the notices identified the time , date , or location of t he removal hearings proceedings. The Vaduvas now argue the BIA erred in denying their motion to terminate proceedings. They say that the agency lacked jurisdiction over their removal proceedings under the reasoning of Pereira v. Sessions , 138 S. Ct. 2105 (2018) , because their notices to appear failed to set forth the time and place of their removal hearing s . Because this argument is foreclosed by our precedent, we deny their petition. 2

1 In the same order, the BIA also affirmed the IJ’s decision denying the Vaduvas’ application for asylum, Marius’s application for withholding of removal, and Marius’s application for protection under the Convention Against Torture. The Vaduvas do not seek review of this portion of the BIA’s order , and we do not address it further. 2 We review de no v o the BIA’s legal determination s and interpretations of law or statutes. See Castillo

- Arias v. U.S. Att’y Gen. , 446 F.3d 1190, 1195 (11th Cir. 2006). USCA11 Case: 18-14585 Date Filed: 12/28/2020 Page: 2 of 63 The Immigration and Nationality Act (“INA”) provides that an immigration judge shall conduct proceedings to determine whether a noncitizen is removable from the United States. 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(a)(1). The statute does not explicitly state the conditions upon which jurisdiction vests with an immigr ation judge , but regulations provide that “[j]urisdiction vests . . . when a charging document is filed with the Immigration Court.” 8 C.F.R. § 1003.14(a). A notice to appear is a type of charging document

. Id. § 1003.13. By statute, a notice to appear must specify, among other things, the time and place at which a removal hearing will be held.
8 U.S.C. § 1229(a)(1)(G)(i). But under the regulatory framework, a notice to
appear is not required to specify the time or place of the removal hearing. See 8 C.F.R. § 1003.15 (b), (c)

. 3
In Pereira , the Supreme Court addressed when a noncitizen was eligible for cancellation of removal, a type of discretionary relief available to nonpermanent residents who ha ve accrued 10 years of continuous physical presence in the United
States. 138 S. Ct. at 2109. The Court considered whether the INA’s stop

- time rule, which specifie s that a noncitizen’s period of physical presence is deemed to end when he is served with a notice to ap pear , applied when the notice to appear

3 The r egulations specify that a notice to appear sha l l include time and place information for the removal hearing “where practicable.” 8 C.F.R. § 1003.18(b). When a notice omits this information, the regulations permit an immigration judge to later provide the information to the noncitizen

. Id.

USCA11 Case: 18-14585 Date Filed: 12/28/2020 Page: 3 of 64 that the noncitizen received failed to specify the time and place of the removal hearing. Id. at 2109

– 10. The Supreme Court reasoned that a “putative notice to appear that fails to designate the specific time or place of the noncitizen’s removal proceedings is not a ‘notice to appear under section 1229(a),’ and so does not trigger the stop

- time rule.” Id. at 2113

– 14 (quoting 8 U.S.C. § 1229b(d)(1)).
A lthough the Supreme Court in Pereira stated that it was deciding only a “narrow question” about an eligibility requirement for cancellation of removal, it acknowledged that the flaw present in the case

— the failure to specify the time or place of the removal hearing

— was present in nearly ever y notice to appear that had been issued in recent years. Id. at 2110

– 11. After Pereira , some noncitizens, like the Vaduvas, assert ed that their removal proceedings were void because their proceedings were purportedly commenced by a “putative notice to ap pear” that was “not a notice to appear under section 1229(a).” Id. at 2113

– 14 ( internal quotation marks omitted). We have considered whether a notice to appear that failed to state the time
and date of a noncitizen’s hearing deprive d the agency of jurisdiction over the removal proceedings. See Perez

- Sanchez v. U.S. Att’y Gen

. , 935 F.3d 1148, 1150 (11th Cir. 2019). We determined that such a notice to appear was “unquestionably deficient” under § 1229(a )

. Id. at 1153. And w e reasoned that Pereira foreclosed any argument that this statutory defect in the notice could be cured by a subsequent

USCA11 Case: 18-14585 Date Filed: 12/28/2020 Page: 4 of 65 notice that informed the noncitizen of the time and date of the removal hearing. Id

. at 115 3

– 5 4.
W e nonetheless held in Perez

- Sanchez that a defective notice to appear did not deprive the agency of jurisdiction over the removal proceedings because the statutory “time

- and

- place requirement” did not “create a jurisdictional rule,” but
instead set forth a “claim

- processing rul e.” Id. at 1154

– 55. We also considered whether the immigration judge lacked jurisdiction under 8 C.F.R. § 1003.14

. Id. at 1154. We questioned whether the regulation , which purported to set forth when immigration proceeding s commenced, should be given effect, because it was contrary to the unambiguous language in the statute

. Id. B ut even assuming the statute was ambiguous and the regulation should be given effect, we determined that the outcome remained the same because the regulation “set[] forth only a
claim

- processing rule.” Id. at 1155

– 57. E ven though the regulation expressly referred to the vesting of jurisdiction in the agency, we held that it was not a jurisdictional rule because agencies cannot set or limit their own jurisdiction. Id. at 1155. Because neither 8 U.S.C. § 1229(a) nor 8 C.F.R. § 1003.14 spoke to jurisdiction , we concluded that “the IJ and the BIA properly exercised jurisdiction over [the peti ti oner’s] removal hear ing” based on the authority conferred un der the INA, even though the petitioner received a defective notice to appear, and denied the petition as to the Pereira claim. Id. at 1157.

USCA11 Case: 18-14585 Date Filed: 12/28/2020 Page: 5 of 66 O ur decision in Perez

- Sanchez forecloses the Vaduvas’ argument that the agency lacked jurisdiction over their removal proceedings. Because the requirement that a notice to appear include time and place information is a claim

processing, rather than jurisdictional, rule, we cannot say that the BIA erred when it denied their motion to terminate removal proceedings

. Accordingly, we deny their petition for review. PETITION DENIED . USCA11 Case: 18-14585 Date Filed: 12/28/2020 Page: 6 of 6