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BEFORE : RICHAR D C . GOODWI N U.S . Administrativ e La wJudg e Th e above-entitle dmatte r cam e o nfo r Hearin g a t 9:0 0 a.m. , pursuan t t o Notice , i n th e Fourt hFloo r Courtroo mo f th e Holme s Building , 10 1 Larr yHolme s Drive , Easton , Pennsylvania , whe nwer e present , o nbehal f o f th e parties :



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O nBehal f o f th e Respondent : MICHAE L SELIG , MD , FACC , CFl- H Respondent' s Representativ e 281 6 Orefiel dRoa d Allentown , P A1810 4 (610 ) 360-395 3 O nBehal f o f th e Complainant : CHARLE S RALLY , ESQ . Attorney , Enforcemen t Divisio n AGC- 3 0 0 Offic e o f th e Chie f Counse l Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n 80 0 Independenc e Ave. , S.W . Washington , D.C . 2 0 5 9 1 (202 ) 267-335 7



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### 26 6 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G- S 9:0 3 a.m . JUDG E GOODWIN : An ypreliminar y matters ? MR . RALEY : No , You r Honor .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms . Frankel , d o yo u wan t t o retur nt o th e stand ? Whereupon , AM YFRANKE L 1 0 wa s recalle da s a witnes s byCounse l fo r th e 1 1 Complainan t and , havin g bee npreviousl ydul y 1 2 sworn , assume dth e witnes s stand , wa s examine d 1 3 an dtestifie da s follows : 1 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : Dr . Selig ? 1 5 DR . SELIG : A mI o nexhibi t 8 ? 1 6 JUDG E GOODWIN : Dr . Selig , wha t I 1 7 hav e i s Exhibi t 8 i s th e CF RSectio n135 , s o 1 8 i f thi s i s a ne wexhibit , i t woul db e exhibi t 1 9 9 . 2 0 DR . SELIG : Di dI alread ygiv e yo u 2 1 25 1 and- - tha t i s a differen t one , I' msorry , 2 2 i t i s no t . 

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1 {Whereupon , th e above-reference d 2 t o documen t wa s marke da s 3 Responden t Exhibi t No . R- 9 fo r 4 identification. ) CROSS-EXAMINATIO N B YDR . SELIG : Q Wha t I' mshowin g yo u - - JUDG E GOODWIN : Don' C forget , i f 9 yo u wal k awa yfro mth e microphone , sh e can' t 1 0 hea r you . 1 1 DR . SELIG : Doe s thi s mi c work ? 1 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : No , I don' t thin k 1 3 so . 1 4 B YDR . SELIG : 1 5 Q Wha t I' mshowin g yo u - - well , 1 6 firs t o f all , wha t doe s tha t loo k like , ho w 1 7 woul dyo u identif ytha t document ? 1 8 AI hav e n o ide a wha t thi s documen t 1 9 is . 2 0 Q Thos e ar e m yoperationa l 2 1 specifications , whic hwer e develope din , 2 2 basically , th e yea r 2002 . 

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An dthes e wer e signe doff , 2 complianc e statements . S o wha t I woul dlike , 3 I woul dlik e yo u t o state , o ntha t document , 4 wher e doe s i t infor mm e wha t that , numbe r on e 5 I' m

t o loo k a t a certai nwebsite , t o chec k ou t 6 th e res t o f tha t document , presen t questions . 7 I' dlik e yo u t o tel l me , lik e yo u 8 t o tel l m e i f ther e wa s anythin g abou t 9 moonlightin g o ntha t document , i f ther e wa s 1 0 anythin g about , tha t Mr . Bake r neede dt o b e o n 1 1 myspecifi c dru g tes t - - 1 2 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor
. 1 3 JUDG E GOODWIN : Le t hi mfinis hth e 1 4 question . G o ahead , doctor . 1 5 B YDR . SELIG : 1 6 Q S o tha t i s a complianc e statemen t 1 7 tha t I wa s tol dt o produce , an di t wa s 1 8 approve db yth e FAA . I' dlik e t o kno who wa m 1 9 I suppose dt o know , i f ther e i s absolutel yn o 2 0 reference , t o an yothe r externa l document , ho w 2 1 t o b e complian t i nan ymatter ? Ca nyo u se e i t 2 2 there ?

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1 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 2 i t i s a compoun dquestio ntha t h e i s 3 developing . 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : I understand . 5 Overruled . I f yo u ca nanswe r th e question , d o 6 so . I f yo u can't , stat e yo u can' t answe r th e 7 question . 8 TH E WITNESS : Th e documen t tha t 9 I' mreadin g say s tha t M£c RHelicopter s wil l 1 0 provid e wit hth e provision s o f FA RPar t 1 1 135.25 3 i nregar dt o employee s wh o perfor m a 1 2 functio nliste di nappendi xJ t o par t 12 1 o f 1 3 thi s chapter , an dse t forth . 1 4 S o yo u aske dm e quit e a fe w 1 5 questions . Bu t i t state s tha t yo u wil l compl y 1 6 wit hth e dru g an dalcoho l regulations . 1 7 0 Al l right , an ds o whe nyo u rea d 1 8 thi s document , i t state s that , basically , I 1 9 wil l ensur e tha t anycontracto r wh o perform s 2 0 maintenanc e o nthi s aircraf t i s covere dbya n 2 1 FA

Aapprove ddru g testin g program . 2 2 S o Mr . Bake r wa s o na dru g testin g


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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 program . S o i f yo u weren' t a nFA Asupervisor , andunderstoo dthes e regulation s ver ywell , an dyo u wer e jus t a la yperson , lik e myself , andyo u wer e readin g this , wouldn' t i t appea r tha t M& Rwa s i ncomplianc e wit hthi s statement , knowin g tha t Mr . Bake r wa s o nAi r Methods ? MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , call s fo r speculation , askin g wha t a lay perso nwoul dkno wwit hregar dt o - -

JUDG E GOODWIN : T o tha t exten t I wil l sustai ni t . Rephras e you r question , doctor . B YDR . SELIG : Q Doe s it , woul di t appear , fro m thi s statement , th e fac t tha t Mr . Bake r wa s o n a dru g an dalcoho l program , woul di t b e consisten t wit hthi s par t o f 251 ? AA t th e tim e thi s documen t wa s drafted , yes . Q Okay , al l right . Now , withou t knowin g tha t ther e wa s ~ - ther e i s a secon d

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1 par t t o this , I' msorry . I t i s al l basicall y 2 th e sam e issue , th e sam e exac t phrasin g o n 3 255 , s o I jus t wan t t o mak e tha t fo r th e 4 record , s o thes e tw o ar e basicall yth e same. 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : Jus t as k a question , doctor .

B YDR . SELIG : Q Okay , now , s o fro mthi s documen t I woul dneve r kno wwher e t o loo k fo r material 1 0 change s i nth e dru g an dalcoho l abatemen t 1 1 program ? 1 2 Base do nthi s document , ther e i s 1 3 n o reference s t o anywher e t o look , t o tr yt o 1 4 se e i f yo u ca nfind , o r anyinstructio ntha t 1 5 is , a t all , ho wt o look , find , anytyp e o f 1 6 dru g andalcoho l amendments ? 1 7 AI f th e - - JUDG E GOODWIN : I s tha t a 1 9 question , doctor ? 2 0 DR . SELIG : Yes . 2 1 B YDR . SELIG : 2 2 Q I'msaying , doe s thi s tel l m e


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1 0 wher e t o loo k fo r dru g an dalcoho l amendments ,

ye s o r no ? AYes , i nappendi xJ , par t 121 , i t say s Par t J , appendix , par t 121 . 0 A mI lookin g i na medica l textbook , yo u know , I don' t kno wwher e - - i t doesn ' t tel l yo u wher e t o look , i t doesn ' t tel l yo u a website , doe s it ?

MR . RALEY : Objection , aske dan d answered . Sh e ha s tol dhi mtha t th e regulatio ni s cite di nth e documen t tha t h e ha s provided .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . B YDR . SELIG : Q I s ther e any , doe s i t giv e m e d.x\ Y method s o f compliance ? D o yo u kno wwha t method s o f complianc e are , d o yo u kno wwha t tha t ter mmeans ?

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1 compliance ? 2 ANo .

Q Defin e those ? ANo . 5 Q Okay . Method s o f complianc e are , 6 basically , a procedur e i nwhic ha noperato r 7 woul dhav e t o follow , i norde r t o follow , i n orde r t o b e i naccordanc e wit hth e requlations . 1 0 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 1 1 h e i s testifying . 1 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Coul dyo u - - 1 3 B YDR . SELIG : 1 4 Q Okay , s o therefore , whe nw e loo k 1 5 a t thes e othe r OpSpecs , thi s A449 , d o yo u kno w 1 6 ho wthos e OpSpec s work , o r wh o write s those ? 1 7 Ar e yo u awar e o f wha t goe s int o thos e 1 8 particula r OpSpecs ? 1 9 AI' m no t a nexper t o nOpSpecs . 2 0 Q Well , I' monl ylookin g a t th e 2 1 A449
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 9 2 here ? Q Yes , i t i s alread y- - i t wa s Mr .

Raley' s exhibit , whic hI ca nsho wyou , bu t i t shoul db e u p there .

But , I mean , basicall ythi s i s a referra l to , i t i s exactl yth e sam e information . Fo r instanc e thi s i s - -

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , remember , yo u hav e t o b e nea r a microphone , o r sh e can' t pic k yo u up .

DR . SELIG : Well , I can' t - - JUDG E GOODWIN : S o sho whe r th e exhibit . DR . SELIG : Okay .

JUDG E GOODWIN : An dthe ng o bac k t o you r chair .

B YDR . SELIG : Q S o i ncas e yo u didn' t know , whic h I' m a littl e shocke dtha t yo u don' t know , bu t ther e wer e basicall ytw o document s tha t w e carried . On e i s th e complianc e statement , an d th e othe r on e ar e th e OpSpecs , right ?

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A U hhum . Q No w- - JUDG E GOODWIN : Th ewitnes s ha s t o 4 answe r ye s o r no . Whe nyo u - - i nnorma l 5 conversatio nal l o f us , typically , th e proble m 6 i s tha t whe nsh e transcribe s sh e doesn' t kno w 7 wha t th e soun dmeans . 8 TH E WITNESS : I wasn' t sur e i f 9 tha t was , actually , a question . I apologize . 1 0 Yes , I understand . 1 1 B YDR . SELIG : 1 2 Q I hav e t o giv e background , becaus e 1 3 yo u don' t see mt o kno w- - 1 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , i f yo u ar e 1 5 tryin g t o as k a hypothetical , the nse t u p a 1 6 hypothetical . 1 7 B YDR . SELIG : 1 8 Q Okay , Ms . Frankel , wh o i s 1 9 responsibl e fo r thes e OpSpecs , wh o write s 2 0 thes e OpSpecs ? 2 1 AFligh t standards . 2 2 0 Okay , good , fligh t standards .

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thes e OpSpecs ; whic har e kep t i nth e aircraft , ho wam I t o kno wo f regulatio nchange ? AT don' t understan dth e question . I' msorry . Q Okay . Anoperator , basicall ythi s i s ou r bible . S o w e hav e t o follo wthes e OpSpecs . S o th e questio nis , wh o update s thes e OpSpecs ? AFligh t standards . Q Okay , w e ar e there . Q Now , i f fligh t standard s doe s no t updat e thes e regulations , ho wi s - - bein g tha t thi s i s th e onl yreferenc e tha t th e operator s have , o na routin e basis , reviewe do na routin e basis , ho wi s th e operato r t o kno wa regulatio nchange ? ADr . Selig , a s a certificate d operator , th e operato r i s responsibl e t o kno w an dkee p up t o dat e wit hth e regulation . Q Al l right , okay , w e wil l g o there . Al l right , now , al l right . S o yo u ar e sayin g

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### 27 7 tha t th e operato r ha s t o updat e themselves , right ? AWo . The yhav e t o educat e 4 themselves , an dstaywit hth e regulations . 5 The yhav e t o updat e an dstaywit hth e 6 regulation . Th e aviatio nindustr yi s a highl y 7 regulate dindustry .

An di t i s up t o th e operato r t o remai nawar e o f th e regulations . 1 0 0 Okay . S o yo u ar e sayin g tha t 1 1 ther e i s n o instructio ngiven , whatsoever ? 1 2 Surel yth e responsible , th e operator , despit e 1 3 OpSpec s tha t saysomethin g differen t tha nwha t 1 4 th e regulation s say ? 1 5 I s tha t wha t yo u ar e saying ? I t 1 6 i s completel yth e operator' S - - 1 7 AI di dno t say- - 1 8 JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , Doctor , 1 9 don' t argu e wit hhe r abou t wha t he r - - yo u ar e 2 0 arguin g wit hth e witness , yo u ar e no t 2 1 enquirin g o f th e witness . 2 2 He r statemen t i s i nth e record . 

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an dtha t i s wha t th e Cour t wil l consider .

B YDR . SELIG : 3 Q Al l right , now , i n200 4 yo u state d 4 tha t th e regulatio nchange dwhich , basically , 5 pu t m e i nviolation , correct ? 6 ATh e regulatio nchange di n2004 . 7 Q Okay . Wha t i s th e grac e perio d 8 fo r becomin g complian t wit htha t regulation ? 9 ATher e ar e differen t grac e period s 1 0 fo r differen t regulatio nchanges . 1 1 Q Okay . Well , let' s tal k abou t thi s 1 2 200 4 one . D o yo u kno wwha t i t wa s fo r that , 1 3 wa s i t fiv e years ? 1 4 AOn e moment . 1 5 (Witnes s review s document. ) 1 6 TH E WITNESS : Th e regulatio n 1 7 change , tha t w e ar e discussing , tha t happene d 1 8 i n2004 , th e Notic e o f Propose dRulemakin g wa s 1 9 i n200 2 . 2 0 I t wa s announced , i nth e Federa l 2 1 Register , o nJanuar y12th , 2004 , an dth e 2 2 amendment s withi nthi s regulatio nbecam e


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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 effectiv e o nFebruar y11th , 2004 . B YDR . SELIG : Q Okay . S o afte r Februar y11t hwha t grac e perio ddi dI hav e t o becom e complian t wit hthi s regulation ? Ho wlon g di dI hav e t o becom e complian t wit hit ?

I t doesn' t sa ythat , doe s it ? ANo t tha t I' mawar e of . I haven' t

rea dthi s document . Q I understand , I understand . Al l right , now , s o w e don' t kno wwha t th e grac e perio dis . Unles s w e hav e thi s po p u p o nou r desktop , o na dail ybasis , w e wil l neve r reall ykno wthi s ha s changed , i f yo u ar e no t lookin g fo r it , yo u ar e no t goin g t o fin dit , typ e o f thing , right ?

Tha t i s a correc t statement , i f yo u ar e no t lookin g fo r it , yo u ar e no t goin g t o fin dit ? Ye s o r no .

JUDG E GOODWIN : I f yo u ca nanswe r it , answe r it . I f yo u can't , answe r i t an d jus t sa yyo u can' t answe r it .

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B YDR . SELI G Q S o yo u ar e sayin g tha t yo u gav e mai l notificatio nt o me ?

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , - - MR . RALEY : Objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : wit hth e witness . yo u ar e arguin g

DR . SELIG : I' maskin g a question . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yo u aske da question , yo u go t a nanswer . Yo u ar e arguin g wit hth e witnes s abou t wha t sh e said .

DR . SELIG : Okay . JUDG E GOODVilN : Tha t i s no t helpfu l t o th e Court .

DR . SELIG : Okay , You r Honor . B YDR . SELIG : Q Al l right , s o yo u alread ystate d tha t ther e wa s n o notificatio nprocess ?

MR . RALEY : Objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained .

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DR . SELIG : I' mno t I hadn' t

4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 finishe dmyquestion . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yo u aske da question , h e objected , I' msustainin g it .

DR . SELIG : I onl ygo t t o th e firs t par t o f it , ther e wa s a secon dpar t t o tha t question .

JUDG E GOODWIN : No , you r questio n
was , ther e wa s n o notice .

DR . SELIG : Okay . JUDG E GOODWIN ; I f yo u wan t t o restat e something , yo u ma yd o that .

Q B YDR . SELIG : I f ther e wa s n o notic e the na t wha t tim e interva l wa s I suppose dt o chec k whateve r websit e i t ma ybe , wha t i s th e tim e 1imit ? MR . RALEY : Ob j ec t ion .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Overruled . I f yo u know , yo u ma yanswer .

MR . RALEY ; You r Honor , th e wi tnes s - -

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### 28 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Th e witnes s ca n 2saywhethe r sh e know s o r not . 3 MR , RALEY : Well , th e witnes s ha s neve r sai dtha t th e wa s notification . H e i s 5 characterizing , h e i s sayin g tha t sh e - - 6 JUDG E GOODWIN : You r objectio ni s 7 overruled . MR . RALEY : Yes , sir . 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : I f yo u ca nanswer , 1 0 yo u ma yd o so . 1 1 TH E WITNESS : Ther e wa s a notic e 1 2 o f propose drulemaking , distribute di n2002 . 1 3 B YDR . SELIG : 1 4 Q Than k you , okay . An dtha t notic e 1 5 wa s maile dt o me ? Ho wwoul dtha t notic e come , 1 6 ho wwa s I t o kno wabou t tha t notice , tha t i t 1 7 wa s o nsom e remot e website ? 1 8 ATh e Federa l Registe r i s wher e al l 1 9 o f th e notic e o f propose drulemakings , an d 2 0 rulemakings , andfina l rules , ar e published . 2 1 Q Al l right . I f I didn' t kno wtha t 2 2 registe r existed , ho wwoul dI know ?



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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADr . Selig , th e aviatio nindustr y

i s a highl yregulate dindustry . And , a s a certificat e holder , i t i s you r responsibilit y t o compl ywit hth e regulation , an dkno wwher e t o g o t o mak e sur e tha t yo u ar e followin g th e regulation . Q Suppos e I didn' t hav e interne t access , o r I wasn' t verse dan dskillfu l i n accessin g th e web . An dI didn' t kno wther e wa s a change . Wha t woul dI d o then ?

Doe s tha t mea n- - wha t woul dI d o then , wha t option s ar e ther e fo r me ? AYo u coul dcontac t th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministration . Q Bu t tha t woul dassum e tha t I kne w tha t a regulatio nchanged , an dI coul dfin d out , bu t I didn' t eve nkno wtha t th e regulatio nchanged . AI t i s you r responsibility , a s a certificat e holder , t o kno wan dsta yabreas t o f wha t regulation s ar e changin g tha t affec t yo u andyou r certificate .

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1 Q Doe s i t stat e tha t i na nOpSpecs , 2 i nan y- - tha t I' mrequire dt o chec k a 3 website , o r whateve r basis , t o mak e sur e tha t I remai ncompliant ? 5 Doe s i t sa yit ? I' mjus t curious , 6 I' mconfused . Mayb e i t say s i t an dI ' m missin g it . AOn e moment , please .

(Witnes s review s document. ) 1 0 TH E WITNESS : Th e documen t yo u 1 1 hande dme , R-9 , 135.253(a ) M& RHelicopter s 1 2 wil l compl ywit hprovision s o f FA R135.25 3 i n 1 3 regar dt o employee s wh o perfor ma functio n 1 4 liste di nappendi xJ t o Par t 12 1 a s thi s 1 5 chapter , a s se t fort hbelow . 1 6 JUDG E GOODWIN : Jus t fo r purpose s 1 7 o f th e record , tha t i s actuall yR- 9 fo r 1 8 identification . I t i s a correction . 1 9 B YDR . SELIG : 2 0 Q I' msorry , ar e w e bac k t o A449 ? 2 1 JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , i t i s 2 2 Respondent' s 9 fo r identification , i s th e


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He r testimon yis , citin g t o th e paragrap htha t sh e jus t referenced . S o Respondent' s 9 , fo r identification , 135.253(b) , sh e ha s stated , repeatedly , tha t i t wa s th e certificat e holder' s obligatio nt o compl ywit hthat .

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1 is , bu t w e wil l assum e tha t I jus t chec k th e 2 regulation . 3 An dho wofte namI suppose dt o 4 chec k that , wha t i s th e frequency , th e 5 recommende dfrequenc yfo r checking? 6 AA s a busines s holde r tha t woul db e 7 you r decision .

0 S o i t i s jus t random ? Random , 9 wheneve r yo u fee l lik e it , yo u ca nd o it . 1 0 AA s a busines s holde r tha t woul db e 1 1 you r decision . 1 2 Q I t wa s sai dtha t Vincen t Root s ha d 1 3 n o requiremen t t o infor mM& Ro f th e regulatio n 1 4 change , despit e bein g fac e t o face , i nth e 1 5 sam e offices , i n2004 , afte r th e regulatio n 1 6 changed . 1 7 I s tha t polic ywritte nsomeplace , 1 8 o r - - 1 9 AI hav e n o experienc e wit hth e 2 0 inspectio ntha t Mr . Root s gav e t o M&R . I d o 2 1 no t kno wwha t wa s sai di ntha t conversation , 2 2 I wa s no t witnes s t o tha t conversation , I d o


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yoffice , fac e t o face , goin g ove r 1 7 everything , isn' t ther e a provisio nfo r 1 8 training , an dcorrectio no f errors ? 1 9 ANo t tha t I' mawar e of . 2 0 Q Well , I mean , i t i s eve ni n 2 1 LaTony a Williams , sh e mad e recommendation s fo r 2 2 correctio nwhich , essentially , woul drequir e



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1 employee s wer e alway s unde r a dru g an dalcoho l 2 program , an dtha t th e employe r wa s abl e t o 3 hav e acces s t o thos e tes t records , an dt o b e 4 abl e t o conduc t reasonabl e suspicio ntesting . 5 Q Okay , I' mlookin g a t thi s A-1 1 6 which , b yth e way , shoul dcom e wit ha bottl e 7 o f Motrin , an da ne wpai r o f eyeglasse s - - 8 JUDG E GOODWIN : Docto r - - 9 MR . RALEY : Objection . 1 0 JUDG E GOODWIN : Thos e comment s ar e 1 1 no t helpfu l t o th e Court . 1 2 DR . SELIG : Okay . 1 3 B YDR . SELIG : 1 4 Q Now , i t says , throughou t thes e 1 5 documents , tha t ther e ar e basicall ytw o 1 6 reason s fo r al l thi s re-write . An dd o yo u 1 7 agre e tha t i t wa s fo r clarity , an dconvenien t 1 8 relocatio no f th e regulations ? 1 9 AA-11 ? 2 0 Q Yes , A-1 1 wa s 200 0 - - actuall yi t 2 1 mention s jus t a rewrit e o nthis . Thi s wa s fo r 2 2 clarity , th e 200 4 document ?



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1 AOn e moment , please . 2 (Witnes s review s document. ) 3 TH E WITNESS : Th e summar yo npag e 4 1840 , o f th e Federa l Register , whic hi s 5 Exhibi t A-11 , a s a resul t o f a numbe r o f year s 6 o f experienc e inspectin g th e aviatio n 7 industry' s anti-dru g an dalcoho l misus e 8 preventio nprogram , th e FAAi s clarifyin g 9 regulator ylanguage , increasin g consistenc y 1 0 betwee nth e anti-dru g an dalcoho l misus e 1 1 preventio nprogra mregulations , wher e 1 2 possible . 1 3 B YDR . SELIG : 1 4 Q Than k you . 1 5 AAn deliminatin g regulator y 1 6 provision s tha t ar e n o longe r appropriate . 1 7 Q Ver ygood , okay . S o thi s wa s 1 8 rewritte nbecaus e ther e wer e som e issue s wit h 1 9 clarity , okay ? S o ther e wa s a definit e reaso n 2 0 fo r this , an di t i s th e sam e reaso ntha t I' m 2 1 sayin g tha t ther e wa s n o clarity . 2 2 Now , s o thes e regulation s

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1 basicall ychange dtw o times , fo r clarity . 2 Now , coul di t b e tha t th e regulation s wer e 3 change dbecaus e th e operator s coul dno t find 4 th e regulations , o r the ywer e difficul t t o 5 understand ? 6 MR . RALEY : Objection , call s fo r 7 speculation . 8 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . Ther e 9 i s n o basis , n o foundatio nfo r th e question . 1 0 B YDR . SELIG : 1 1 Q Ms . Frankel , whywer e thes e 1 2 regulation s relocated , wha t wa s th e reaso nfo r 1 3 that ? 1 4 MR . RALEY : Objection . 1 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . Ther e 1 6 i s n o - - ther e i s n o foundatio nfo r th e 1 7 question , doctor . 1 8 B YDR . SELIG : 1 9 Q D o yo u agre e tha t th e regulation s 2 0 wer e change dfo r clarity , s o i t woul dimprov e 2 1 complianc e an dsafet yo f th e public ? 2 2 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . 

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . 2 DR . SELIG : Essentiall yI jus t 3 paraphrase dit . I t say s i t here , th e propose d 4 chang e i s t o improv e safet yan dlesse n 5 administrativ e burdens . MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . B YDR . SELIG : Q Now , whe nI rea dthi s A-11 , doe s 9 i t stat e anywher e th e method s o f compliance ? 1 0 I nthi s document , I' mjus t addressin g thi s A
1 1 11 . 1 2 AWhe nyo u rea dit ? I' mno t 1 3 understandin g th e question . 1 4 Q Thi s document , A-11 , doe s i t sa y 1 5 anywher e ho wth e method s o f compliance , s o 1 6 thi s wa s basicall ywha t w e wer e referrin g to , 1 7 an dho wofte nI wa s suppose dt o chec k this , o r 1 8 - - I mean , ho wwa s I suppose dt o compl ywit h ,1 9 this ? 2 0 MR . RALEY : Objection , aske dan d 2 1 answered . 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . 

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sorry , I don' t understan dyou r 9 question . 1 0 0 Th e - - I' msorry , yes , sh e wa s 1 1 her e yesterday , bu t okay . 1 2 I presente dOrde r 8900 , whic hwa s 1 3 th e initiatio no f th e fligh t standard s 1 4 informatio nsystem . An dth e testimon y 1 5 yesterda ywa s tha t thi s wa s a differen t 1 6 websit e locatio no f wher e th e dru g an d 1 7 abatemen t regulation s ar e placed . 1 8 I s tha t a tru e statement ? 1 9 MR . RALEY : Objection . 2 0 JUDG E GOODWIN : Overruled . I f yo u 2 1 ca nanswer . 2 2 TH E WITNESS : Th e fligh t - - i f I' m


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Awebsite s becam e activ e 2007 . 1 0 So , automatically , i t woul db e 1 1 impossibl e fo r m e t o b e complian t wit hthos e 1 2 2 0 0 4 changes , i s tha t correct ? 1 3 MR . RALEY : Objection , assumin g 1 4 fact s no t i nevidence . 1 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . 1 6 B YDR . SELIG : 1 7 Q Base do nwha t yo u jus t said , i t 1 8 appear s tha t i t ma yb e tha t thos e 200 4 1 9 regulation s wer e no t availabl e o nawebsit e 2 0 fo r m e t o review . 2 1 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Ther e i s n o


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1 questio npending . Tha t i s a statement , 2 doctor . 3 B YDR . SELIG : 4 Q D o yo u agre e t o tha t statement ? 5 ATh e regulation s hav e alway s bee n 6 availabl e t o peopl e wh o hav e certificates . 7 I' mno t sur e abou t th e website , bu t 8 regulation s andth e FAR s hav e alway s bee n 9 availabl e fo r certificat e holders , t o mak e 1 0 sur e tha t the yca nfollo wthem . 1 1 Q Well , th e earlie r discussio nwa s 1 2 tha t I wa s require dt o loo k a t th e websites , 1 3 o r t o findth e regulations , yo u know . Federa l 1 4 Registry . Bu t no wyo u ar e tellin g m e tha t - - 1 5 o r i t appear s tha t yo u ar e no t reall ysur e 1 6 whe ntha t informatio nwa s goin g o nth e 1 7 website ? 1 8 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . 1 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . 2 0B YDR . SELIG : 2 1 Q Ar e yo u awar e o f ho wth e method s 2 2 o f compliance , fo r instance , fo r you r A449 ,

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1 th e OpSpecs , ar e yo u awar e o f th e method s o f 2 complianc e fo r that ? 3 AWit hth e A44 9 paragraph ?

Q Ye s . AYe s . 6 Q An dd o yo u - - ar e yo u awar e tha t 7 thos e OpSpec s perhap s othe r tha nth e A449 , al l 8 o f th e othe r chapter s o f th e OpSpec s ar e 9 updated , rewritten , printed , an dthe n 1 0 physicall yreplace dpages , whic har e 1 1 substantivel yre-signe do f f , an dconfirmed , by 1 2 th e operator , tha t h e i s awar e o f th e recen t 1 3 changes ? 1 4 Ar e yo u awar e o f tha t i s ho wth e 1 5 othe r OpSpecs , everythin g els e i nth e OpSpec s 1 6 operate ? I t i s a ver yphysica l fac e t o fac e 1 7 process . Ar e yo u awar e o f that ? 1 8 MR . RALEY : Objection , assumin g 1 9 fact s no t i nevidence . 2 0 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . I t i s 2 1 no t relevan t doctor . Thi s cas e i s no t abou t 2 2 th e OpSpecs . 

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DR . SELIG : Bu t i t i s abou t not i fication .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , th e Cour t wil l determin e wha t th e cas e i s about .

DR . SELIG : Yes , sir . Yes , You r Honor . B YDR . SELIG : Q I f yo u wer e a layperson , an d 9 weren' t a smar t superviso r o f thes e OpSpecs , 1 0 an dkne wthemwell , andyo u kne wabou t thes e 1 1 othe r method s o f compliance , wit hth e printe d 1 2 pages , an dthing s lik e that , wouldn' t yo u - - 1 3 wouldn' t i t follo wsui t tha t yo u woul dthin k 1 4 th e othe r part s o f th e OpSpec s woul dfollo w 1 5 th e sam e procedure ? 1 6 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . 1 7 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . 1 8 B YDR . SELIG : 1 9 Q W e mentione dth e moonlightin g 2 0 provision . Tha t i t occurre dsom e tim e i n 2 1 2009 . Tha t ther e wa s a definit e mentio nt o 2 2 th e moonlighting . 

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phraseolog yo f tha t wa s neve r reall y determined , i t wa s no t brough t up , i t sor t o f go t sidetracked .

Ca nyo u direc t m e t o wher e tha t moonlightin g provisio nwas , tha t disallowe d moonlightin g o f a nA& P mechanic? AOn e moment , please . (Witness'review s document. ) TH E WITNESS : O npag e 184 3 o f th e Federa l Register , Volum e 69 , numbe r 7 - -

B YDR . SELIG : Q I' msorry , whic hexhibit ? AThi s i s exhibi t A-11 . Q A-11 . AWhic hi s th e Federa l Registe r Volum e 69 , numbe r 7 , pag e 1843 . Th e firs t complet e paragraph , i nth e firs t columnreads :

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operato r havin g a certificate , perhap s mistakenl yno t liste da s inactive , neve r conductin g flights , eithe r before , during , o r afte r th e violatio nperiod ?

Th e operation s inspecto r wa s notifie do f th e suspension , wrot e th e lette r tha t suspende doperations , bu t faile dt o registe r th e certificat e inactive , perhap s du e t o medica l leave .

Thes e ar e th e underlyin g condition s tha t I jus t wan t t o se e i f yo u woul dfollo wsui t with , an di f yo u agre e tha t maximumsanction s mayb e shoul dno t b e determine dbecaus e o f al l o f thes e mitigatin g factors ? DR . SELIG : I f I ma yfinish ?

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , tha t i s a compoun dquestion .

MR . RALEY : 1 1 i s compound . DR . SELIG : Well , I' msettin g th e premise .

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Aofficer , o f documen t 6 o r listings , concernin g a dru g progra m 7 website . 8 Ther e wa s neve r notificatio no f 9 th e 200 4 regulatio nchange . Ther e wa s neve r 1 0 notificatio nabou t moonlightin g exclusion s 1 1 prio r t o 200 4 . 1 2 I t wa s no t reasonabl e --s o base d 1 3 o nal l thos e mitigatin g circumstances , an dI 1 4 agre e th e situatio ni s complex . Bu t th e poin t 1 5 bein g i s n o flight s wer e flown . 1 6 D o yo u believ e maximu msanction s 1 7 ar e warranted ? 1 8 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 1 9 assumin g fact s no t i nevidence . 2 0 JUDG E GOODWIN : Overruled , i f yo u 2 1 ca nanswer . I f yo u ca nanswe r th e question . 2 2 TH E WITNESS : I believ e th e


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B YDR . SELIG : 5 Q Now , thi s A-13 , i s th e lega l 6 interpretation , d o yo u believ e tha t thi s i s a 7 reasonabl e comment , eve nthoug hi t doe s no t pertai nt o a companywher e a certificat e ma y b e inactive , wa s i nsuspension , ha d 1 0 restructured , ha dn o vali dOpSpecs , ha dn o 1 1 pilot , di dno t flights , durin g an dafte r th e 1 2 violatio nperiod ? 1 3 D o yo u thin k tha t yo u ca nappl y 1 4 thi s interpretatio nt o m ycas e scenario? 1 5 AI don' t kno wwher e yo u ar e - - ca n 1 6 yo u tel l m e wher e yo u ar e reading ? O nA-13 , 1 7 ar e yo u readin g o nA-13 ? 1 8 Q Yes , basicall yi t i s th e secon d 1 9 page , an di t talk s abou t whethe r th e aircraf t 2 0 i s flowni s no t relevant . I t i s th e las t 2 1 paragraph , i t i s jus t a shor t littl e brie f 2 2 answer , tha t someon e asked . 

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1 AYes , I kno wwher e yo u ar e - - I 2 don' t remembe r th e question . 3 Q Th e questio nis , d o yo u thin k tha t 4 thi s interpretatio nshoul dappl yt o th e cas e 5 o f MSTR

### Helicopters ? 6 AYes . 7 Q Eve nthoug hther e wa s n o activ e certificate , i t wa s i nsuspension , an dal l th e 9 othe r parameter s tha t complicat e thi s matter , 1 0 th e OpSpec s wer e invalid , n o notificatio n 1 1 process . 1 2 D o yo u stil l thin k tha t shoul d 1 3 apply ? Ther e i s n o pilot ? 1 4 ATh e violatio nwoul doccu r i f 1 5 substantiv e maintenanc e i s performed , an d 1 6 whethe r th e aircraf t i s flowni s no t relevant . 1 7 I' magreein g wit htha t statement . 1 8 Q Okay . Now , I presente dtw o cas e 1 9 lawprecedent s fo r thi s matter . D o yo u 2 0 believ e - - d o yo u kno wo f anycas e la wtha t 2 1 follows ? Thi s i s jus t somethin g - - someon e 2 2 writin g t o thi s assistan t fo r regulations . 

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 D o yo u kno wo f an ycas e la wtha t

support s tha t statement ?

MR . RALEY : Objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . B YDR . SELIG : Q Now , yo u submitte dA-12 , o r A-1 2

wa s submitted , whic hI objecte dto , becaus e thi s i s a - -

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , as k a question . B YDR . SELIG : Q Coul dyo u pleas e tel l m e how , explai nt o m e ho wthi s 200 9 documen t pertain s t o a violatio ni n2008 ? Ho wdoe s thi s documen t pertai nt o a 200 8 violation ? ATh e Federa l - - A-12 , th e Federa l Registe r Volum e 74 , numbe r 92 , jus t talk s abou t ho ww e pu t ou r appendice s int o it s ow n part . An dI gues s I don' t understan dth e ques t ion . Q Okay , s o th e purpos e o f thi s document , tha t yo u presente dth e Court , eve n

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1 thoug hi t doesn' t appl yt o m yparticula r case , 2wa s jus t t o sho wtha t al l thes e regulation s 3 wer e relocated , i s tha t correct ? 4 AThe ywer e combine dan dmove dint o 5 thei r ow npart . 5 Q Right , combined , shifte daround , 7 okay . S o i t look s a s i f th e Agenc yreall y 8 wen t t o a lo t o f effor t t o tr yt o organiz e 9 these , s o i t woul db e eas yfo r peopl e t o find , 1 0 basically . I s tha t a fai r assumption ? 1 1 ANo . The ycombine dth e regulation , 1 2 the ywer e i nappendices , tw o separat e 1 3 appendices , the ywante dt o mov e i t t o it s ow n 1 4 part , an dmak e i t on e singl e part . 1 5 Q T o simplif ythem ? 1 6 AT o combin e an dmak e i t into

- it s 1 7 ow npart . I S 0 Okay , good . Woul di t b e a fai r 1 9 statemen t t o saytha t MSc Rreall ygo t caugh t u p 2 0 i nth e cross-fir e o f regulatio nchanges , an d 2 1 change s i nth e notificatio nprocess , becaus e 2 2 ther e wer e som e flaw s somewher e a lon g tim e - -

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 A No .

Q Okay . And , again , I gues s yo u ar e sayin g tha t A-12 , als o jus t require dtha t a n operator , randoml ygoin g o na website , someho w an ddiggin g thi s out , throug hhundred s o f page s o f regulations , tha t ther e i s reall yn o direction , o r assistance , t o tr yt o hel p th e operato r t o findthis ?

Becaus e yo u woul djus t hav e t o g o searchin g fo r i t . I s tha t prett ymuc hho w thi s works ? AAcertificat e holde r I S 

### responsibl e fo r stayin g update dwit hth e regulation s - - Q A I understand .

tha t hi s certificat e fall s under . Q I understand . Ms . Floraponto , an d Ms . Williams , the ywor k i nyou r department ? ANo . Ms . William s work s fo r th e - - JUDG E GOODWIN : 

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### questio npending . TH E WITNESS : Okay , sorry , yo u ar e right . Sorry .

Q B YDR . SELIG : Now , documen t 120.lAl , whic hi s i n th e documen t library , specificall ysay s tha t lega l enforcemen t actio ninclud e circumstance s wher e seriou s safet yissue s ar e involved , o r ther e i s a patter no f non-compliance , tha t indicate s a ninabilit yo r a nunwillingnes s t o compl ywit hregulator yrequirements .

Now , ca nyo u cite , t o me , wha t - - ho wi s tha t phrasin g involve s seriou s safet y issues , ho wbyno t flyin g th e aircraft , afte r Mr . Bake r di dth e maintenance , ho wdi dI involv e seriou s safet yissue ? AA1 3 5 certificat e holde r mus t maintai nthei r aircraf t t o 13 5 specifications , whic hinclude s anymaintenance , o r preventiv e maintenance , tha t i s don e o nth e aircraft , mus t stayt o 13 5 standards . Q Okay .

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1 ATha t mechani c mus t b e unde r eithe r 2 th e company' s dru g an dalcoho l program , o r 3 thei r owndru g andalcoho l program . 4 Q Than k you , go t it . S o yo u ar e 5 saying , speculativ e - - I' musin g Mr . Raley' s 6 work , speculatively , potentially , ther e wa s a 7 safet yissue , correct ? I t i s speculative ? 8 I t speculativel ycoul dhav e bee na 9 seriou s safet yissue . 1 0 ATher e coul dhav e bee na safet y 1 1 issue . 1 2 Q Speculativ e statement ? 1 3 ATher e coul dhav e bee na safet y 1 4 issue , a catastrophi c safet yissue . 1 5 Q Now , thi s statemen t doe s no t ente r 1 6 anyspeculation , i t say s involved , an dh e pu t 1 7 seriou s i nthere , seriou s safet yissues , 1 8 involve dseriou s safet yissues . 1 9 The yar e no t leavin g roo mfo r 2 0 speculation . 2 1 AI' mno t familia r wit hth e 2 2 document . D o I hav e tha t up here , s o I ca n

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rea dit ? Q Well , I hav e th e websit e whic h- - 3 okay , i t i s Federa l Aviatio n 4 Administra t ion.comdoclibrary/media / - -

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , i f sh e doesn' t hav e a nexhibi t i nfron t o f her , sh e can' t describ e it .

DR . SELIG : Well , I ca nsho whe r wha t th e phrasin g is . 1 0 JUDG E GOODWIN : Ar e yo u markin g 1 1 tha t fo r identification . 1 2 DR . SELIG : I don' t hav e a cop yo f 1 3 this . I ca ngiv e on e copy . 1 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : As k th e questio n 1 5 an dw e wil l g o fro m there . 1 6 DR . SELI Gr Okay . Well , ca nI 1 7 cit e th e reference ? 1 8 JUDG E GOODWIN : Yo u ca nas k a 1 9 question . Th e Cour t i s no t her e t o - - 2 0 DR . SELIG : Okay . 2 1 B YDR . SELIG : 2 2 Q S o tha t phrasin g i s reall yth e


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d o yo u believ e tha t phrasing , involve s seriou s safet yissue , applie s t o cas e wher e w e didn' t hav e a nacciden t o r a nincident ?

MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . I' m
no t intereste di nwha t th e witnes s believes .

DR . SELIG : Okay . B YDR . SELIG : Q Wa s ther e a nunwillingnes s t o compl ywit hregulations ? A Ye s . Q Ther e wa s unwillingness ? AWell , I fee l tha t b ystatin g tha t ther e wasn' t reall ya violation , tha t ther e i s
a nunwillingnes s t o accept , b yth e operator , tha t a violatio noccurred . Q Well , tha t i s no t wha t wa s said . Bu t I thin k th e poin t bein g i s tha t - -

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , as k a question , an dsto p arguin g th e witness .

B YDR . SELIG :

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correc t it ? AI believ e so . 5 Q Yes , okay . S o ther e wa s n o 6 unwillingness , okay , al l right . Yo u jus t 7 change dyou r stance , okay . S MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : Th e comments , 1 0 doctor , ar e no t helpful . 1 1 DR . SELIG : Yes , You r Honor . 1 2 B YDR . SELIG : 1 3 Q S o i t i s you r premis e tha t - - bac k 1 4 t o th e initiatio no f thi s certificat e issue . 1 5 Excus e me , le t m e rephras e that . 1 6 I f ther e wa s a ninactiv e 1 7 certificate , i f tha t certificat e wa s properl y 1 8 mad e inactive , woul dth e violatio nstil l b e i n 1 9 place ? 2 0 AI f th e violatio n- - i f th e 2 1 certificat e wa s mad e inactiv e b yfligh t 

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inspection . Q Okay . Well , coul di t b e tha t th e FA Aofficer , no t office r - - okay , well , tha t i s a - - s o eve nthoug hI tol dMs . William s tha t I wa s inactive , ha dn o pilot , change dth e name , sh e pursue dth e - - sh e pursue dth e investigation , anyway .

MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : I s tha t a question , doctor ?

Q B YDR . SELI G S o tha t i f I state dt o Ms . William s tha t I wa s inactive , shouldn' t sh e no t hav e ha dm e audited ? A Th e certificat e wa s active . Q I gues s tha t i s wher e w e g o back . Doe s a certificat e depen do nOpSpec s bein g curren t an daccurate ? AI' mno t a fligh t standard s expert . Q Well , tha t i s a problem , w e don' t hav e a ninformatio nbasi s tha t i s accurate .

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1 JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , yo u ar e 2 arguin g th e case. Tha t i s th e Court' s area . 3 DR . SELIG : Yes , You r Honor . I 4 hav e n o questions , n o mor e questions . 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : An yredirect? 6 MR . RALEY : Yes , You r Honor . 7 REDIREC T EXAMINATION 8 B YMR . RALEY : 9 Q I' dlik e t o direc t you r attentio n 1 0 t o Exhibi t A-1 , whic hha s bee nadmitte dint o 1 1 evidence . 1 2 Coul dyo u pleas e rea dth e firs t 1 3 paragraph , underneat hth e box , i nth e cente r 1 4 o f th e firs t page ? 1 5 ATh e certificat e holde r shal l 1 6 conduc t thes e kind s o f operations , i n 1 7 accordanc e wit hth e specifi c authorizations , 1 8 limitations , an dprocedures , i nthes e 1 9 operation s specification , an dal l appropriat e 2 0 part s o f th e CFR . 2 1 Q Woul dPar t 12 1 appendice s I an dJ , 2 2 b e anappropriat e par t o f th e CFR ?



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AYe s . Q I woul dlik e t o direc t you r attentio nt o exhibi t A-2 . AYes . 5 Q Unde r sectio nA , ca nyo u pleas e 5 rea dthat ?

AYes . Th e certificat e holder , wh o operate s unde r Titl e 14 , Cod e o f Federa l 9 Regulations , Par t 135 , certifie s tha t i t wil l 1 0 compl ywit hth e requirement s fo r 14CF RPar t 1 1 121 , appendice s I an dJ , an d4 9 CF RPar t 40 , 1 2 fo r it s anti-dru g an dalcoho l misus e 1 3 preventio nprogram . 1 4 Q Doe s thi s provisio nnotif yth e 1 5 operato r o f wher e the yca nlocat e thes e 1 6 regulations ? 1 7 AYes . 1 8 Q Wha t regulations ? 1 9 AThese . 2 0 Q I' dlik e t o direc t you r attentio n 2 1 t o A-11 . Wha t dat e wa s th e Notic e o f Propose d 2 2 - - wha t year , let' s g o wit hth e year , wha t



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begun ? AOn e moment , please .

(Witnes s review s document. ) B YMR . RALEY : Q I direc t you r attentio nt o pag e

AThan k you . DR . SELIG : I' msorry , thi s i s AMR . RALEY : Yes . 184 1 .

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TH E WITNESS : O npag e 1841 , o f Exhibi t A-11 , Federa l Register , Volum e 69 , Numbe r 7 , th e firs t paragrap hreads :

O nFebruar y28th , 2002 , th e FAA publ i she da Notic e o f Propose dRulemaking , notic e 02-04 .

B YMR . RALEY : Q Than k you . Wha t dat e wa s thi s rul e publishe di nth e Federa l Register ? AThi s rul e wa s publishe do nMonday , Januar y12th , 2004 .



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1 Q Wha t dat e di dthi s rul e becom e 2 effective ? 3 AThi s becam e effectiv e Februar y 4 11th , 2004 . 5 Q Wha t yea r di dthes e violation s 6 occur , tha t ar e allege dhere , i nthi s hearin g 7 today ? 8 AI n2008 . 9 Q I' dlik e t o direc t you r attentio n 1 0 t o pag e 184 0 o f A-11 . 1 1 AYes , sir . 1 2 Q A t th e botto mo f th e firs t column , 1 3 th e heading , Availabilit yo f Rulemakin g 1 4 documents . Ca nyo u pleas e rea dwha t i t say s 1 5 i ntha t section ? 1 6 AYes . Availabilit yo f Rulemakin g 1 7 Documents . Yo u ca nge t a nelectroni c copy , 1 8 usin g th e interne t b yone , searchin g th e 1 9 Departmen t o f Transportation' s electroni c 2 0 docke t managemen t syste mwebpage . An di t 2 1 give s th e webpage . 2 2 Numbe r 2 , visitin g th e offic e o f



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 rulemaking' s webpage , an di t give s th e email ,

o r th e webpage , excus e me .

Numbe r 3 , accessin g th e Governmen t Printin g Office' s webpage , an di t cite s th e webpage . Yo u ca nals o ge t a cop yb y submittin g a reques t t o th e Federa l Aviatio n Administration , offic e o f Rulemaking , ARM- 1 80 0 Independenc e Avenue , SW , Washington , D.C . 20591 , o r b ycallin g are a cod e 202-267-9680 .

Mak e sur e t o identif yth e amendmen t number , o r docke t numbe r o f thi s rulemaking . Q Than k you . I' dlik e t o direc t you r attentio nt o A-12 . O npag e 2264 9 o f A-1 2

AYes ? Q - - th e cente r colum n- ~ AYe s . Q - - fo r furthe r informatio ncontac t

- - woul dyo u pleas e rea dthat ? AYes . Fo r furthe r informatio n contac t Raphae l Ramos , Offic e o f Aerospac e

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1 Medicine , Dru g Abatemen t Division , a t 80 0 2Federa l Aviatio nAdministration , 8 0 0 3 Independenc e Avenue , SW , Washington , D.C . 4 20591 , telephon e .numbe r 202-267-8442 , 5 facsimil e 202-267-5200 , emai l 6 drugabatement@faa.gov . 7 Q Than k you .

MR . RALEY : On e moment , You r 9 Honor . 1 0 (Pause. ) 1 1 B YMR . RALEY : 1 2 0 Jus t t o b e clear , Ms . Frankel , 1 3 wher e ar e thes e rules , an di nwha t document , 1 4 wha t se t o f documents , wha t volume , ar e thes e 1 5 rule s locate din ? 1 6 AThes e rule s ar e availabl e i nCFR , 1 7 1 jus t wan t t o mak e sur e I sayi t right . 1 4 1 8 CF RPar t 12 0 currently . 1 9 Q Bu t th e - - I' msorry , I wasn ' t 2 0 ver yclea r here. Th e rulemaking , wher e i s th e 2 1 rulemakin g published ? 2 2 ATh erulemakin g i s publishe di nth e


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1 Federa l Register . 2 MR . RALEY : Than k you , n o furthe r 3 questions . You r Honor . 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : Ar e yo u finishe d wit hthi s witness ?

MR . RALEY : Yes . JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms . Frankel , yo u ma yste p downan dI' mgoin g t o instruc t yo u 9 no t t o discus s you r testimonywit hanybod y 1 0 prio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing . 1 1 DR . SELIG : I f i t ma ypleas e th e 1 2 Court ? 1 3 JUDG E GOODWIN : What ? 1 4 DR . SELIG : I f I ma yjus t hav e a 1 5 brie f rebuttal ? 1 6 JUDG E GOODWIN : W e haven' t - - 1 7 rebutta l what ? 1 8 DR . SELIG : Well , I mean , I jus t 1 9 hav e som e - - base do nwha t h e ha s jus t entere d 2 0 int o evidence , I hav e som e questions . 2 1 JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms . Frankel , 2 2 retur nt o th e sea t . Yo u ma yas k question s


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1 onl ybase do nth e question s aske dbyMr . 2 Raley . 3 DR . SELIG : Okay . 4 RECROSS-EXAMINATIO N 5 B YDR . SELIG : 6 Q Bac k t o A-11 , 1040 , an dyo u rea da 7 ver ynic e sectio nabou t th e availabilit yo f 8 rulemakin g documents . 9 Thi s woul dhav e bee na ver y 1 0 helpfu l i f on e kne wabou t thi s document , 1 1 wouldn' t yo u agre e i t is , mor e o r less , lik e 1 2 th e car t befor e th e hors e typ e cas e scenario ? 1 3 " Tha t i f yo u didn' t kno wtha t thi s 1 4 documen t existed , an dwit hn o referenc e i nth e 1 5 OpSpec s o r complianc e statement , an dperhap s 1 6 yo u weren' t internet , yo u weren' t a skille d 1 7 interne t browser , yo u wouldn' t kno wabou t 1 8 this ? 1 9 MR
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AI rea da fe wthings . 9 Q 1840 . 1 0 AOkay . 1 1 Q I t is , basically , availabl e i n 1 2 rulemakin g documents . 1 3 AOkay . 1 4 Q Now , i f tha t wa s i nth e OpSpecs , 1 5 an dth e complianc e statement , thi s probabl y 1 6 woul dhav e neve r bee na nissue , right ? 1 7 M R. RALEY : Objection , 1 8 speculation . 1 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained , i t i s 2 0 beyon dth e scope . 2 1 DR . SELIG : N o furthe r questions , 2 2 You r Honor . 

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1 JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms . Frankel , yo u 2 ma yste p down .

Now , w e too k witnesse s ou t o f 4 order , t o giv e Dr . Seli g a nopportunit yt o 5 prepar e fo r cross . Yo u wer e excuse dher e 6 yesterday , s o tha t th e Court' s revie wo f th e 7 postur e o f th e cas e i s tha t th e FA A effectivel yreste dyesterday , subjec t t o Dr . 9 Selig' s opportunit yt o cross-examin e Ms . 1 0 Frankel . 1 1 Dr . Selig , d o yo u hav e any 1 2 witnesses , anyfurthe r - - 1 3 .DR . SELIG : I jus t hav e a closin g 1 4 statement . 1 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : Bu t ther e i s n o 1 6 furthe r evidence , o r testimony , i s tha t 1 7 correct ? 1 8 DR . SELIG : Correct . 1 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u hav e any 2 0 rebuttal? 2 1 MR . RALEY : I do , You r Honor . W e 2 2 recal l Ki mBarnett e fo r rebuttal . 

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1 JUDG E GOODWIN : I t i s 10:07 , 2 accordin g t o - - yo u d o th e sam e thin g I do . 3 Dr . Seli g jus t reflexivel yturne dt o th e bac k 4 o f th e courtroom , whic hI kno wexactl ywher e 5 yo u ar e comin g from . 6 W e ar e goin g t o tak e a 1 5 7 minut e break , w e wil l com e bac k o nth e recor d 8 a t 10:20 . 10:25 , I' msorry . S o w e ar e of f th e 9 record . 1 0 {Whereupon , th e above-entitle d 1 1 matte r wen t of f th e recor da t 1 2 10:07a.m . an dwen t bac k o nth e 1 3 recor da t 10:2 8 a.m. ) 1 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : O nth e record . 1 5 MR . RALEY : You r Honor , I woul d 1 6 lik e t o cal l Mr . Ki mBarnette , fo r rebutta l 1 7 purposes . 1 8 Whereupon , 1 9 KI MBARNETT E 2 0 wa s calle da s a witnes s byCounse l fo r th e 2 1 Complainan t and , havin g bee ndul ysworn , 2 2 assume dth e witnes s stand , wa s examine dan d



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1 testifie da s follows : 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Pleas e b e seated , 3 stat e you r ful l nam e fo r th e record , an dspel l 4 you r first'an dlas t name . 5 TH E WITNESS : M ynam e i s Ki m 6 Barnette , K-I-M , B-A-R-N-E-T-T-E . 7 DIREC T EXAMINATION

B YMR . RALEY : 9 Q Mr . Barnette , ar e yo u currentl y 1 0 employed? 1 1 AYes , sir , I am . 1 2 Q Wit hwho mar e yo u currentl y 1 3 employed ? 1 4 AWit hth e Federa l Aviatio n 1 5 Administration . 1 6 Q An dwha t i s you r j o ba t th e 1 7 Federa l Aviatio nAdministration ? 1 8 AI' ma nai r worthines s safet y 1 9 inspecto r fo r genera l aviation , an dAM S 300 , 2 0 an dal l • writin g policies , procedures , 2 1 regulation s fo r aircraf t maintenance . 2 2 Q Ho wlon g hav e yo u bee ni ntha t


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1 position? 2 AI hav e bee ni ntha t positio nsinc e 3 Septembe r o f ' 0 1 . 4 Q Prio r t o Septembe r o f '0 1 wha t wa s 5 you r job ? 6 APrio r t o Septembe r o f '01 , I wa s 7 a naviatio nsafet yinspector , airworthiness , 8 Easter nFiel dOffices . I wa s i nBrandis e fro m 9 Septembe r o f 199 0 t o 1994 . 1 0 I nJun e o r Jul yo f 199 4 I move dt o 1 1 Baltimor e an dserve dthere , an dI wa s a n 1 2 airworthines s inspecto r an dprincipa l 1 3 inspecto r fo r maintenance . 1 4 Q Mr . Barnette , wha t federa l 1 5 regulation s cove r commute r an don-deman d 1 6 operations ? 1 7 APar t 135 . 1 8 Q Wha t federa l regulation s cove r 1 9 maintenanc e performe do naircraf t tha t ar e 2 0 liste do npar t 13 5 OpSpecs ? 2 1 APar t 13 5 an dpart s 43 . 2 2 Q Isal l maintenanc e performe do n


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1 aircraf t liste do npar t 13 5 OpSpecs , require d 2 t o b e don e unde r th e regulation s i npar t 135 ? 3 AYes , sir . 4 0 Doe s tha t includ e adherenc e t o th e 5 dru g an dalcoho l regulation s formerl y 6 containe di nPar t 12 1 appendice s I an dJ ? 7 AYes , i t does . 8 Q Wha t ca na holde r o f a par t 11 9 9 certificate , wit hoperation s specifications , 1 0 authorizin g a par t 13 5 operations , d o i f the y 1 1 d o no t wan t t o adher e t o th e regulation s 1 2 containe di npar t 135 , an dpar t 12 1 appendice s 1 3 I an dJ ? 1 4 AMaintenanc e o f a regula r 1 5 certificate . 1 6 Q A s th e holde r o f par t 13 5 1 7 operation s specs , woul dResponden t b e require d 1 8 t o perfor mal l maintenanc e i naccordanc e wit h 1 9 Par t 135 ? 2 0 AYes . 

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12 0appendice s Ian dJ ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 

### A Ye s .

9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 0 Woul dth e maintenanc e performed ,

o na naircraft , liste do nRespondent' s par t 13 5 operatio nspecifications , b e require dt o b e performe db ya mechani c tha t wa s unde r a testin g program , a s delineate di npar t 12 1 appendice s I an dJ ? 

### A Ye s . Q Unde r par t 119 , i s a par t 11 9 certificat e holde r require dt o compl ywit h thei r operatio nspecifications. ? AYes , the yare . Q Eve ni f the yar e no t conductin g par t 1 3 5 operations ? AYe s . Q I f Responden t i s onl yconductin g par t 9 1 operations , doe s i t stil l hav e t o compl ywit hth e dru g an dalcoho l regulations , containe di npar t 121 , appendice s I an dJ ? 

### A Yes . Q Doe s Responden t hav e t o maintai n it s aircraft , liste do nhi s operatio n

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 specifications , i naccordanc e wit hPar t 135 ?

ACoul dyo u repeat , please ? Q Doe s Respondent , i nthi s case , hav e t o maintai nth e aircraf t tha t i s liste d i nit s operatio nspecifications , tha t authoris e par t 13 5 operations , i naccordanc e wit hPar t 135 ? A Yes . Q What , i f any , document s di dyo u revie wi nthi s matter ? A I reviewe dth e vita l informatio n containe di nth e FA Adat a bas e fo r wh o th e operato r was , an dI reviewe dth e PTRS , th e progra mrecor dtrackin g subsyste mrecords , fo r surveillanc e an dinspection s o f th e operato r fo r th e pas t te nyears . Q I woul dlik e t o sho wyo u wha t i s bein g marke da s Complainant' s Exhibi t A-15 .

{Whereupon , th e above-reference d t o documen t wa s marke da s Complainan t Exhibi t No . A-1 5 fo r identification. )

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 B YMR . RALEY :

Q Mr . Barnette , d o yo u recogniz e thi s document ? AYes , I do . Q Wha t i s thi s document ? AThi s documen t i s a printin g o f th e VI S dat a containe di nth e vita l informatio n system . An dal l fo r 13 5 operato r certificat e numbe r i s Mike , Romeo , 3 , alpha , 02 0 Kilo , fo r
a 13 5 operator , operatin g a Bel l 20 6 helicopter . Th e record s sho wm e tha t the yar e i nproces s o f a nam e change . Q Woul da nam e change , chang e th e certificat e number ? ANo , i t wil l not . Q Wha t i s th e dat e tha t thi s certificat e wa s las t validated ? A Las t validatio nfo r thi s certificat e wa s 6-1 0 o f 2011 . Q I s thi s documen t contained , o r maintaine di nth e norma l cours e o f busines s a t

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministration ?

AYes , i t is . Q Di dyo u produc e thi s document ? AYes , I printe dth e document . MR . RALEY : A t thi s tim e I woul d

mov e t o hav e exhibi t A-1 5 entere dint o evidence .

ob j ection ?

Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Dr . Se l ig , an y

DR . SELIG : N o objections . You r

JUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y15 , fo r identification , i s receive dint o evidenc e a s Agenc y15 . (Th e documen t referre dto , havin g

bee npreviousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Complainan t Exhibi t No . A-1 5 wa s admitte di n evidence. ) B YMR . RALEY : Q I woul dlik e to , now , sho wyo u wha t ha s bee nmarke da s Complainant' s Exhibi t

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 A-1 6 . (Whereupon , th e above-reference d t o documen t wa s marke da s Complainan t Exhibi t No . A-1 6 fo r identification. ) JUDG E GOODWIN : Sixteen ? MR . RALEY : Sixteen , one , six . Yes , You r Honor .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , I though t yo u sai d15 .

B YMR . RALEY : Q Mr . Barnette , d o yo u recogni2: e thi s document ? AYes , thi s i s a recor do f th e surveillanc e activitie s performe dno wfo r a 13 5 operator , designato r Mike , Romeo , 3 , Alpha , betwee nMarc ho f 200 4 throug hNovembe r
o f 2010 . Q And , t o b e clear , i s thi s th e repor t fo r Responden t i nthi s case ? AYes . QHowman yinspections , o r

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thi s dat e range ? A12 2 . 0 Whe nwa s th e las t inspection ? ATh e las t inspectio nwa s 11-29

- 201 1 . MR . RALEY : On e moment .

(Pause. ) B YMR . RALEY : Q Doe s th e Federa l Aviatio n Administratio nconduc t surveillanc e inspection s fo r complianc e wit hPar t 11 9 certificat e regulation s o f entitie s tha t hav e

- - tha t n o longe r hav e OpSpecs ? ANo , i t di dnot . Q S o i f a nentit yha s curren t operations , tha t trigger s th e curren t operatio nspecifications , tha t trigger s thes e surveillanc e inspections ? AYes , i t does . MR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 on e moment . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . MR . RALEY : I' msorry . You r Honor ,

(Pause. ) MR . RALEY : A t thi s tim e I woul d lik e t o mov e Complainant ' s Exhibi t A-1 6 b e
move dint o evidence .

JUDG E GOODWIN : An yobjection ? DR . SELIG : No , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y16 , fo r identification , i s receive dint o evidenc e a s Agenc y16 .

Q 201 2 (Th e documen t referre dto , havin g

bee npreviousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Complainan t Exhibi t No . A-1 6 wa s admitte di n evidence. ) JUDG E GOODWIN : An ycross ? CROSS-EXAMINATIO N B YDR . SELIG : A-1 5 i s a lis t o f - - date d1-18

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1 certificat e wa s active . 2 Wha t procedur e woul db e utilize d 3 i norde r t o mak e this , list s thi s a s a 4 suspende doperation ? Ar e yo u awar e o f th e 5 procedur e tha t woul db e required? 6 AI f t o mov e th e operato r int o 7 inactiv e require s eithe r a lega l enforcemen t 8 action , wit ha cour t order , o r th e operato r 9 himsel f voluntaril ysurrender s hi s 1 0 cer t ificate . 1 1 Q Suppos e yo u jus t wante dt o 1 2 temporarily , unde r 119.6-9 , huma nfactors , 1 3 tha t jus t becaus e a singl e pilo t operato r 1 4 can' t perfor mth e operations , can' t perfor m 1 5 th e flights , rathe r tha nsurrenderin g th e 1 6 certificate , jus t puttin g i t i nsuspension , 1 7 jus t temporary , a temporar ymeasure . I s ther e 1 8 a temporar ymeasure ? 1 9 ATher e ar e n o temporar ymeasure s i n 2 0 ou r system . 2 1 Q I see . An di f yo u wer e goin g t o 2 2 appl yt o mak e a certificat e - - i f yo u wer e



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1 goin g t o surrende r a certificate , throug hsom e 2 forma l process , wha t d o yo u nee dt o d o fo r 3 that ? 4 ATher e i s a formproces s fo r that . 5 Q Okay . Now , thi s A-16 , I' mno t 6 familia r wit hit . Coul dyo u pleas e explain ? 7 Thes e ar e inspection s o nth e aircraft ? 8 AThes e ar e inspection s o nth e 9 operations , som e bein g inspection s fo r th e 1 0 aircraft , som e o f the mar e fo r recordkeepin g 1 1 wit hth e operations , som e o f the mar e fligh t 1 2 checks . 1 3 Q I see . 1 4 AAn dthi s i s th e total , thi s look s 1 5 a t th e entir e operation , i t look s a t 1 6 personnel , operator , an dth e equipment . 1 7 Q Okay , I see . Now , thes e 1 8 inspections , ho w- - ar e thes e performe dby 1 9 variou s techniques ? Fo r instance , wa s m y 2 0 aircraf t - - myaircraf t inspecte ddurin g tha t 2 1 time , whe ni t i s a t th e airpor t fro m 2 0 04 , 2 2 let' s say ?



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ATher e ar e record s i nher e wher e 2 th e aircraf t ha s bee ninspected . Som e o f the m 3 wer e routin e inspections , righ t u p t o - - ther e 4 ar e a coupl e o f record s i nher e tha t wer e 5 actuall y- - wher e th e aircraf t wa s inspecte d 6 whil e i t wa s i nth e sho p fo r maintenance . 7 Q Okay . An ds o ther e woul dno t b e 8 an yindication , o nthes e records , tha t ther e 9 wa s n o pilot , an dther e wer e n o flights ? 1 0 ANo . 1 1 Q Okay . Now , I jus t wan t t o 1 2 understan dsomething . S o m yoperation , m y 1 3 maintenanc e inspector , ca nyo u tel l m e i f h e 1 4 ha dabsolutel yn o obligation , whil e inspectin g 1 5 thes e aircraft , t o questio nth e peopl e 1 6 performin g service s o nthi s aircraft ? 1 7 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 1 8 vague . Th e questio n- - 1 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : Answe r th e 2 0 questio ni f yo u ca nanswe r it . I f yo u can't , 2 1 sa yso . 2 2 TH E WITNESS : Woul dyo u repea t th e


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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 reviewe dever ytw o months , becaus e w e ar e s o

convenient , i t i s righ t acros s fro mth e Allentow nFSDO , righ t acros s th e street .

Now , a t anypoin t i ntim e woul di t occu r t o thi s maintenanc e inspector , t o conside r whethe r o r no t thi s individua l wh o wa s performin g servic e o nth e aircraft , wa s o n a dru g an dalcoho l progra mo r whic hon e h e wa s on ? ATha t i s no t th e purvie wi nal l th e fligh t standard s fo r a nairworthines s inspector . Q I see . Now , i s i t standar d- - I d o remembe r bac k whe nMr . Bake r di dstar t performin g maintenance , an dth e onl y requiremen t tha t wa s requeste do f Mr . Henenge r wa s a nA& P licens e an devidenc e o f a dru g progra m I s tha t a standar dpractic e byth e inspector , byth e maintenanc e inspector ?

MR . RALEY : Objection , assumin g fact s no t i nevidence .

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . TH E WITNESS : I don' t kno w- - JUDG E GOODWIN : I t ha s bee n sustained . 5 TH E WITNESS : Okay . 6 DR . SELIG : Ca nI rephras e tha t 7 statement , You r Honor ? Tha t question ? JUDG E GOODWIN : Try . B YDR . SELIG : 1 0 Q Doe s a maintenanc e inspecto r eve r 1 1 reques t certai ndru g information , o r 1 2 credentia l information , t o b e i nth e record ? 1 3 AThe ywil l ask , an dall , i f ther e 1 4 i s a napprove dprogram . 1 5 Q Tha t i s th e exten t o f it ? 1 6 ATha t i s th e exten t o f it . 1 7 Q I see . Woul dther e eve r b e a tim e 1 8 whe na maintenanc e inspecto r woul dquestio no r 1 9 mak e someon e aware , eithe r th e operation s 2 0 inspectio nperson , o r som e othe r personnel , a t 2 1 th e FSD O t o enquir e abou t thi s kin do f thing ? 2 2 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 aske dan danswered . H e alread yaddresse d- - JUDG E GOODWIN : H e ca nanswe r th e ques t ion , overruled .

TH E WITNESS : Th e dru g enforcemen t i s no t a fligh t standard s issue .

B YDR . SELIG : Q I f doe s no t fl ya naircraft , afte r a certai nservic e wa s done , i s tha t --d o yo u loo k a t tha t a s wha t i s referre dt o a s a seriou s safet yissue ?

I nothe r words , servic e wa s don e -

JUDG E GOODWIN : Doctor , yo u hav e aske da question , no wallo wth e witnes s t o answe r it . TH E WITNESS : Withou t knowin g precisel ywha t service s wer e performe dno , I woul dnot , I woul dno t offe r a nopinion .

B YDR . SELIG : Q Well , let' s sayth e mechani c di da roto r balance , trackin g balance . An da t tha t poin t i ntim e h e wa s no t o nmyspecifi c dru g

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1 an dalcoho l program , bu t h e wa s o nanothe r 2 company' s dru g an dalcoho l program . 3 S o tha t trac k an dbalanc e wa s 4 performed . However , th e aircraf t wa s neve r 5 flownpar t 135 , durin g tha t tim e wher e tha t 6 trac k an dbalanc e wa s repeated , whe nh e wa s o n 7 myspec i f i c dru g an dalcoho l program . 8 Th e questio nbeing , woul dtha t b e 9 considere da seriou s safet yissue ? 1 0 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 1 1 i t ha s bee naske dan danswere dan di t i s 1 2 outsid e th e scop e o f th e testimon yo f th e 1 3 witness , here. 1 4 JUDG E GOODWIN : I wil l allo wth e 1 5 question , i f h e ca nanswe r it . 1 6 TH E WITNESS : Th e balanc e 1 7 tracking , th e blade s an dal l o f th e 1 8 helicopter , i s safet ycritical , no t 1 9 necessarily , yo u know , bu t yo u ar e gettin g 2 0 int o qualification s o f personnel , an dI' mno t 2 1 sur e o f exactl ywha t yo u ar e lookin g for . 2 2 O r othe r than , lik e I said , fo r

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1 safet ycritica l fo r a nindividual , regardles s 2 o f wh o the yare . 3 B YDR . SELIG : 4 Q Well , I' mjus t goin g byth e 5 violatio no f seriou s safet yissue s involved . 6 Tha t i s phrasin g tha t you r maintenanc e 7 protocol , fo r issuin g o f a violation . 8 M yquestio nis , s o tha t ha s t o b e 9 a seriou s safet yissue . Now , myquestio nis , 1 0 d o yo u believ e tha t i f a trac k an dbalanc e wa s 1 1 done , bu t wa s repeate d- - I' msorry , i t wa s 1 2 don e wit hMr . Bake r no t bein g o nmyspecifi c 1 3 dru g an dalcoho l program , th e aircraf t wa s no t 1 4 flown , a t all , durin g tha t time . 1 5 An dthe nh e repeate dit , a t 1 6 anothe r poin t i ntime , whe nh e wa s o nprope r 1 7 dru g an dalcoho l program . I s tha t - - woul d 1 8 yo u conside r tha t a seriou s safet yissu e 1 9 involved ? 2 0 MR . RALEY : Objection , You r Honor , 2 1 assumin g fact s no t i nevidence . 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Sustained . Tha t


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se t o f these . I hav e a se t o f these , yes .

DR . SELIG : Okay , the nI motio nt o ente r thes e int o evidence .

JUDG EGOODV^IN : Counsel , d o yo u hav e an yobjection ?

MR . RALEY : Several , You r Honor . W e ca n star t wit hR- 3 . I objec t t o thi s receip t o f a n anti-dru g progra mpolic y receive da s no t relevant .

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MR . RALEY : I n 2008 . I believ e Dr . Seli g hasn' t claimed , a t an ytime , tha t Mr . Bake r wa s unde r ERA , th e dru g progra ma t

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identificatio na s Responden t 9 Exhibi t R- 1 wa s admitte di n 1 0 evidence. ) 1 1 JUDG E GOODWIN : Respondent' s 2 , 1 2 fo r identification , i s receive dint o evidenc e 1 3 a s Respondent' s 2 . 1 4 (The documen t referre dto , havin g 1 5 bee npreviousl ymarke dfo r 1 6 identificatio na s Responden t 1 7 Exhibi t R- 2 wa s admitte di n 1 8 evidence. ) 1 9 JUDG E GOODWIN : Respondent' s 3 , 2 0 fo r identification , i s receive dint o evidenc e 2 1 a s Respondent' s 3 . 2 2 (The documen t referre dto , havin g


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case , s o th e objectio ni s sustained . 9 An yothers , counsel ? 1 0 MR . RALEY : R-7 , You r Honor . 1 1 JUDG E GOODWIN : Respondent' s 5 fo r 1 2 identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e a s 1 3 Respondent ' s 5 . 1 4 (Th e documen t referre dto , havin g 1 5 bee npreviousl ymarke dfo r 1 6 identificatio na s Responden t 1 7 Exhibi t No . R
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MR . RALEY : Respondent' s 7 , You r Honor , i s no t relevant . I mean , reques t fo r a nam e change , wit hth e Pennsylvani a Departmen t o f State , ha s n o bearin g o nth e certificat e statu s o f Respondent' s operation .

DR . SEhlG : Ma yI rebutt . You r Honor ? JUDG E GOODWI Nr No . You r objectio ni s noted . I' mgoin g t o allo wit , bu t i t i s goin g t o g o t o weight .

MR . RALEY : Yes , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Th e objectio ni s overruled . Ther e wa s testimony , o r ther e wa s argumen t - - I wil l b e fran k abou t this , Dr .

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Court ? JUDG E GOODWIN : No . S o Respondent' s 7 i s admitte dove r objection .

(Th e documen t referre dto , havin g bee npreviousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Responden t Exhibi t No . 7 wa s admitte di n evidence. ) JUDG E GOODWIN : Respondent' s 6 wa s admitte dint o evidence . D o yo u hav e an y ob j ectio nt o 7 , whic hi s th e CFR ?

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nam e . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yo u ar e right . Wha t I mean t was , d o yo u hav e an yobjectio nt o Respondent' s 8 , whic hi s - - I don' t kno wwha t i t is , bu t i t appear s t o captur e th e CFR .

An yobjectio nt o 8 o r 9 ? MR . RALEY : Nine , You r Honor .

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Respondent' s 8 , 8 fo r identification , i s receive dint o evidenc e 9 a s Respondent' s 8 . 1 0 {The documen t referre dto , havin g 1 1 bee npreviousl ymarke dfo r 1 2 identificatio na s Responden t 1 3 Exhibi t No . 8 wa s admitte di n 1 4 evidence. ) 1 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : Respondent' s 9 , 1 6th eobjectio ni s sustaine da s n o 1 7 authentication , n o foundation . An yothe r 1 8 matter s befor e th e Court ? 1 9 MR . RALEY : No , You r Honor . 2 0 JUDG E GOODWIN : Wha t w e ar e goin g 2 1 t o d o wit hrespec t t o closin g argument , i s a s 2 2 I indicate da t th e beginnin g o f th e trial . 

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MR . RALEY : No , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : W e ar e of f th e record , tha t conclude s th e hearing .

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