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# Commonwealth o f Kentucky Court of Appeals

NO. 2020

- CA

- 0266

- MR

RIVER CITY FRATERNAL ORDER OF P OLICE LODGE NO. 614, INC. APPELLANT

APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT v. HONORABLE BRIAN C. EDWARDS , JUDGE ACTION NO. 18

- CI

- 00 6171

LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT; and KENTUCKY LABOR CABINET APPELLEES

OPINION AFFIRMING
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BEFORE: CALDWELL, KRAMER , AND MAZE , JUDGES

. KRAMER , JUDGE: The overarching question presented in this appeal is whether the appellee, Louisville/Jefferson County Metro Government, by and through its police de partment (“LMPD”), committed an unfair labor practice by requiring one of its employees, Sgt. David Mutchler , who wa s a member and

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these events

– P resident of appellant River City Fraternal Order of Police, Lodge No. 614, Inc. (“FOP”) to submit to an investigative interview from LM P D’s Professional Standards Unit (“PSU”). This question was adjudicated by the Kentucky Labor Cabinet (“Cabinet”) and reviewed by the Jefferson Circuit Court ; and both tribunals answered in the negative. Upon r eview, we affirm.

We begin with a discussion of the relatively brief interview it self , which occurred on August 2, 2017 , and concerned a disciplinary matter

. Mutchler , testifying not as a party but as a witness, did so in relevant part as follows:

Q: August 2. All righty. And it is 10:47. Okay. Sergeant Mutchler, thanks for having me over. Ah, as you are aware the Chief initiated an investigation into Lieutenant Donny George as filing of a hostile working environment. This investigation is to determine whether these documents that were submitted were deceptive in nature, okay? Ah, during the course of the investigation, there was a memo that turned up by Sergeant Armand [sic] White and that, ah, he indicated that he did not authorize the fili ng of this hostile working environment by Lieutenant Donny George. In his memo he indicated that he spoke with you as the FOP President regarding this situation. Ah, do you recall having a conversation with Sergeant White, ah, regarding this incident?
M UTCHLER: Um, yes. Ah, and I do need to say that, um, I am obviously complying with the department and the Chief’s orders to provide this statement. Um, and I’m, I will obviously do that. Ah, but I do wanna note that, ah, the statement is under protest as we believe, ah, the lodge believes that, ah, request for representation and conversations with the collective bargaining representative, ah, are somewhat privileged. But yes, I do recall a conversation with, ah , with Sergeant White.- 3

- Q: Okay. In his m emo, ah, and just let the record show I’m looking at the , the memo right now. In his memo he states that, um, they spoke to you by phone and he stated that , that Sergeant Mutch l er, he said, did say that, “He thought if I had a problem I would’ve come to him directly.” Let, let me ask you this. At any time during your conversation with Sergeant White, did he indicate that he did not authorize the filing of this hostile working environment or did he indicate that this was filed without his permission?
MU TCHLER: I do not recall that we actually spoke about the hostile work environment filing I guess is, is the proper word. Um, I spoke with him, ah, and I did mention to him that normally, ah, officers would reach out on their own if they had some sort of issue. Um, but it’s not, I mean, it’s happened before where officers have called or COs have called on other officers, on another officer’s behalf. Um, ah, what I recollect from the conversation is generally that, um, he just wanted to be in a situation where he knew who was going to be giving him his orders and his job tasks so he could follow that, ah, and that he did, you know, was, didn’t want to be involved in conflicts with those above his rank. Q: Mm

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MUTCHLER: Um, he just wanted to do his j ob, basically. Um, I don’t recall if, I don’t recall the chronology as far as, I don’t remember when I was informed that there even was a filing of a, of a hostile work environment. I just knew that I had spoken with Sergeant White, and previously [sic] speaking to him I had spoken with Lieutenant George but I, I don’t remember, I don’t recall that we did that, if that was discussed or not and I am definitely not saying that that didn’t come up. Q: Mm

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- MUTCHLER: But I don’t recall in the conversati on if he mentioned the hostile working environment or, or even mentioned that he didn’t want it to be filed. I don’t, unfortunately I talk to hundreds of people and I just don’t recall whether that even came up. Q: Okay. MUTCHLER: Um, but it’s very po ssible that it did. Q: Mm

- hm. MUTCHLER: I have to say that. I just, I simply don’t recall. Q: Okay. Ah, that’s all I have for you. Thank you so much for letting me come down and I will conclude this interview at 1052 hours. In short, PSU asked Mutchler t hree questions : (1) Did he recall having a conversation with Sgt. Arm in White? (2) If so, was the conversation about a “hostile work ing environment” complaint that Lt. Donny George filed on his behalf? And i f so, (3) had Sgt. White stated whet her he had authorized George to file it on his behalf? Essentially, M utchler’s answers to those three questions

were : (1) yes ; (2) I can’t remember ; and (3) I can’t remember

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As the substance of what is set forth above tends to indicate, Mutchler

was interviewed as part of a PSU investigation relating to a “hostile work ing environment” complaint that Lt. George

– an LMPD officer and one of Sgt. White’s supervisors

– submitted to his superiors , purportedly on Sgt. White’s
behalf in January 2017

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Sgt. White denied making the complaint or authorizing Lt. George to file any complaint on his behalf

. Consequently, PSU focused its investigation upon whether Lt. George had filed a false report.

As the s ubstance of the August 2, 2017 interview further indicates, PSU investigators only sought to interview Mutchler for a limited reason. Specifically, Sgt. White stated to PSU investigators that he had had a brief telephone conversation with Mutchler relatin g to this matter at some point after January 2017, but that he did not recall saying anything to Mutchler during their conversation about a purported hostile work environment or about any complaint
to that effect . By interviewing Mutchler, PSU wished to c orroborate Sgt. White’s

statement. As indicated at the onset of this opinion, however, whether Lt. George did or did not file a false report is irrelevant. Rather, t he present appeal is exclusively concerned with what Mutchler stated at the onset of his PSU interview:

I do wanna note that, ah, the statement is under protest as we believe, ah, the [FOP] believes that, ah, request for representation and conversations with the collective bargaining representative, ah, are somewhat privileged. In other word s, Mutchler (and the FOP) believed that the LMPD acted improperly at the August 2, 2017 interview because it had required him to divulge privileged information , i.e. , information protected by a “union business” privilege. Moreover, on June 26, 2017

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knowledge of its scope

– the FOP filed a “charge of unfair labor practice” with the Kentucky Labor Cabinet. There, the FOP set forth its position, stating in relevant part: [A]n effort to interrogate the Lodge President regarding

actions in his role representative of officers in disciplinary matters, constituted unlawful coercion pursuant to provisions of KRS [ 1 ] 67C.400, et seq. (the Kentucky statutes establishing collective bargaining between FOP 614 and Louisville Metro), including specifically KRS 67C.406(1)(a) and KRS 67C.402(1), which provisions are based on analog provisions of the National Labor Relations Act.

. . . Louisville Metro’s actions as described above consti tute unlawful coercion as prohibited by and made an unfair labor practice in KRS 67C.400 et seq. As an aside, the bulk of the FOP’s arguments before this Court and below have primarily focused upon the following two propositions: (1) Based upon “provisi ons of the National Labor Relations Act,” a “union business” privilege has been recognized in jurisdictions outside of Kentucky; and (2) because KRS 67C.406(1)(a) and KRS 67C.402(1) share similarities with those “provisions”
of the National Labor Relations Act, a “union business” privilege should now be recognized in Kentucky.

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- Regarding what the “union business privilege” is and why it applied here , however, the FOP has never provided any substantive analysis. Instead, and from all appearances of its vari ous pleadings below and brief before this Court, the
FOP has simply adopted Mutchler’s lay understanding of what it is and why it applied . As illustrated by hi s October 5, 2017 testimony before the Cabinet regarding the FOP’s charge of “unfair labor practice” against LMPD , Mutchler described his understanding of this “privilege” in relevant part a s follows:

MUTCHLER: I think that discussions that I have with members as the FOP president as their elected re presentative, I think a large majority, if not all of those are privileged

. Q: All of them? You think all of them are? MUTCHLER: I said all or a large majority. Q: No matter what the circumstances leading to that conversation are?
MUTCHLER: No. O bviously I may even seek legal assistance regarding that. If a member called me up and said they just killed their wife, I don’t think that’s privileged. So I think it would depend on the circumstance. But if it involved administrative issues where they ’re speaking to me whether officially or peripherally about representation, I do believe that that should be privileged. Q: Do you think that’s true whether that person is the subject of an investigation or not? MUTCHLER: I think that when they’re contacting me because they may be or may soon be the subject of an- 8

- investigation and they want representation and they need to give me a general idea of what’s going on so I can direct them to the appropriate representa tion, I think that should be privileged. I think once that occurs, and they found the representation they need, and then they’re told, hey, you are officially told you’re under investigation and don’t discuss this, I think that my role is, for the most pa rt over in that circumstance until of course, you know, it comes up again. For instance, if an officer is disciplined and they appeal that discipline obviously I assist in representing them at the merit board. Or if anything else occurs that they need re presentation for peripherally, I would be, but I don’t, there’s no need for me to know details, extreme details of something. I don’t ask for that and I’m usually not given that. I just need to know how I need to get them the representation. I think tha t part should be privileged, yes. Q: So I think your position is, with limited exceptions, the conversations you’re having with membership in your capacity as FOP president should be subject to a blanket

- type of privilege ; is that right?
MUTCHLER: I th ink so, yes

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. . . Q: Do you agree that Sergeant White/Lieutenant White was in a position to waive any conversations he may have had with you, any privilege that may have applied? MUTCHLER: Well, first I became aware of the waiver via Lodge counsel, M r. Leightty and no, I don’t believe that regardless what personally Sergeant White or Lieutenant White may feel, I don’t believe he has the authority to waive for the Lodge. Q: Who do you think has the authority to waive any, let’s just say the privilege of the Lodge while we’re all- 9

- sitting here today? Who do you think has the authority to waive it? MUTCHLER: I don’t think it should be waived at all. Q: Ever, by anyone? MUTCHLER: I can’t sit here and think of every circumstance that could potential ly happen that none of us may accept, but I mean, for the most part I think it’s a privilege that shouldn’t be waived. Obviously I made a comment earlier, you know, I mean, if somebody comes to me and tells me that they’ve committed crimes obviously there ’s potential it should be waived . I would obviously contact Lodge counsel about that. On administrative matters I believe that I’m the elected representative for them, and that they should be able to have candid conversations with me and that I should no t be able to waive for them and they should not be able to waive for the Lodge

. (Emphasis added .)

As emphasized, Mutchler understood a “union business privilege” blanketly applie d to (and thus, in a disciplinary context, exempted him from testifying abou t) discussion s he has had with union membership while functioning
in his role as a union representative

. Mutchler also believed this privilege could not be voluntarily waived by any individual union member, defining the only “potential” exception to this privilege as , “ i f somebody comes to me and tells me that they’ve committed crimes .”- 10

- Since Mutchler testified, t he FOP has somewhat refined its understanding of this “privilege

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summar izes it as follows:

Appellant submits that because a labor organization cannot fulfill its statutory duty to represent members regarding “conditions of employment”

— which include matters of discipline [ FN]

— and any of its agents who are employees of LMPD (as FOP president Mutch ler was) would be forced to warn any represented employee seeking assistance regarding a disciplinary [sic] against disclosing the facts of the situation because, in effect, I can be compelled by LMPD to divulge what you disclose to me there must be protec tion against coerced disclosures of the agent’s communications with employees in the course of disciplinary matters. [FN] See, e.g., Nat’l Licorice Co. v. NLRB , 309 U.S. 350 (1940), affirming an NLRB order that an employer cease bypassing negotiation with the union regarding disciplinary discharge. The term “privilege” has been applied to this protection in many of the cases, and throughout this case. However, the protection is so specific and limited that “privilege” may be an exaggerated description:

• The “privilege” applies only in the collective

bargaining context, and only when the union agent in question is employed by LMPD

— non - LMPD employees are of course not subject to LMPD orders. (As it happens, the current FOP 614 president, Ryan Nichols, is r etired from LMPD and thus immune from any coercive power of LMPD.)- 11

- • It applies only to information the union agent has gathered in order to assist an officer in “anticipated or ongoing disciplinary proceedings.”[FN] [FN] See, e.g., Bell v. Village of Str eamwood , 806 F.Supp.2d 1052, 1056 (N.D. Ill. 2011 ), discussed infra.

• The “privilege” has no application to court proceedings, or administrative proceedings other than the disciplinary proceeding for which the communications were made. The main point is t hat this limited privilege is necessary for the purposes of the applicable collective bargaining statutes to be effected, and therefore the Legislature must be deemed to have intended it. With that said, perhaps the best clue to what the “union business privilege” actually is , and why no such privilege could have appl ied here, is found
in the second footnote of the FOP’s own argument, i.e. , its citation to Bell v. Village of Streamwood , 806 F. Supp. 2d 1052 (N.D. Ill. 2011) . The re, the “union business privilege” was defined as follows:

Union representatives . . . may have various duties, including representing union members in disciplinary proceedings and internal investigations. In the course of representing a union member accu sed of some wrongdoing, a union representative may receive confidential information. This role is not unlike that of an attorney. As with the attorney

- client privilege, there is a strong interest in encouraging an employee accused of wrongdoing to commun icate fully and frankly with his union representative, in order to receive accurate advice about the disciplinary process. See U.S. Dept. of Justice v. Fed. Labor Relations Auth. , 39 F.3d 361, 368

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- Cir. 1994) (recognizing an employee

- union represe ntative privilege in the context of labor law). The Court therefore holds that an employee

- union representative privilege will extend to communications made (1) in confidence; (2) in connection with “representative” services relating to anticipated or ong oing disciplinary proceedings; (3) between an employee and his union representative; (4) where the union representative is acting in his or her official representative capacity. Cf. United States v. BDO Seidman, LLP , 492 F.3d 806, 815 (7th Cir. 2007) (def ining attorney

- client privilege). Like the attorney

client privilege, the employee

- union representative privilege is limited in that it extends only to communications, not to the underlying facts. Discussing a relevant fact with a union representative wi ll not shield it from discovery. See Upjohn Co. v. United States , 449 U.S. 383, 395, 101 S.Ct. 677, 66 L.Ed.2d 584 (1981) (holding the attorney

- client privilege protects the disclosure of communications but does not protect the client from disclosing the underlying facts.) The expectation of confidentiality is critical to the employee

- union representative privilege. Without confidentiality, union members would be hesitant to be fully forthcoming with their representatives , detrimentally impacting a union representative ’ s ability to advise and represent union members with questions or problems. Absent an expectation of confidentiality, there is little need to protect the communications

. Id . at 1056

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Thus, contrary to Mutchler’s understanding ( which the FOP has always adopted in this matter ), the “union business privilege,” where it has been recognized , is not a “blanket

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that a union representative has with a union member. Ra ther, where it has been recognized, it has been deemed comparable to the “attorney

- client” privilege.

And, i n the words of another Court that discussed more of the legal underpinnings of this “privilege” :

[It] appears to originate from a decision by the Federal Labor Relations Authority (“FLRA”) in U.S. Department of the Treasury Customs Service Washington, D.C. (Respondent) & Nat’l Treasury Employees Union (Charging Party) , 38 F.L.R.A. 1300 (Jan. 8, 1990). In that case, the privilege was recognized for the benefit of the employee: “that the employee be free to make full and frank disclosure to his or her representative in order that the employee have adequate advice and a proper defense.” Id . at 1308 (emphasis added). In the few cases that have recog nized this privilege, the privilege has been asserted for the benefit of protecting employee disclosures, not those of the union representative. See U.S. Dep’t of Justice v. Fed. Labor Relations Auth. , 39 F.3d 361, 368

- 69 (D.C. Cir. 1994); Bell v. Vill. o f Streamwood , 806 F. Supp. 2d 1052, 1058 (N.D. Ill. 2011); Long Beach Naval Shipyard Long Beach, California (Respondent) & Fed. Emps. Metal Trades Coun

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- CIO (Charging Party/union) , 44 F.L.R.A. 1021, 1038 (Apr. 29, 1992). The union representative

ba rgaining unit member privilege is analogous to the attorney

- client privilege, whose purpose is also to [sic] “to encourage full and frank communication between attorneys and their clients.” Upjohn Co. v. United States , 449 U.S. 383, 389, 101 S.Ct. 677, 66 L.Ed.2d 584 (1981). And just as the attorney

- client privilege “is that of the client, not that of the attorney,” Am. Standard Inc. v. Pfizer Inc. , 828 F.2d 734, 745 (Fed. Cir. 1987), if there is a union representativ e - bargaining unit member privilege, it belongs to the employee and not the union representative

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Martin v. Department of Homeland Security , 810 F

. App ’x 867, 871 ( Fed. Cir. 2020) ( some emphasis added).

In short, it is unsurprising that the FOP’s understa nding of who m the “union business privilege” belongs to derives from the testimony of Mutchler

– a lay witness

– rather than any form of legal authority. T he “union business privilege,” in the limited cases where it has been recognized , does not belong to the union or its representative . Just as the attorney

- client privilege belongs to the client , the union business privilege belongs to the employee

. Id

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Recall, when Mutchler testified during the administrative proceedings
before the Cabinet, he was as ked about and acknowledged that there had been a “waiver” from Sgt. White of “any privilege” that might have applied to any conversation they may have had relative to this matter. Specifically, on June 23, 2017, Sgt. White executed a written waiver stating:

This letter is to notify the Professional Standards Unit that I Sergeant Armin White waive any client privilege that may or may not exist regarding my conversations with the FOP Lodge 614 regarding Professional Standards Unit case 17

- 034. I consent to the Professional Standards Unit investigators speaking to FOP Lodge 614 regarding my conversations with FOP President Sgt. David Mutchler.
To be cle ar, Mutchler and the FOP have never disputed that Sgt. White’s waiver, set forth above, was knowing, voluntary, and intentional. See- 15

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Mullins v. Picklesimer , 317 S.W.3d 569, 578 (Ky. 2010) (discussing elements of waiver). Indeed, Sgt. White testified duri ng the administrative proceedings before the Cabinet that it was knowing, voluntary, and intentional; and, the FOP did not question his testimony at all. Instead, the FOP’s argument has always been one of authority , i.e. , that the “union business privileg e” belong ed to the FOP , not Sgt. White. In its own review of this matter, the Cabinet determined in its dispositive order that LMPD did not commit an unfair labor practice by requiring Mutchler to submit to the PSU interview because: (1) “there is no ind ication that Sgt. Mutchler was asked to divulge any information that may have been considered confidential” ; and, in any event, because (2) there is no established union business privilege in Kentucky. The Jefferson Circuit Court made the same determinati ons.

Now on appeal, as noted, the FOP once again directs most of its arguments toward the proposition that we should recognize a union business privilege in Kentucky. W hile that is an interesting question, we cannot answer it
on the case before us becau se even if such a privilege could be recognized (which we have strong reservations about), it belonged to Sgt. Whi t e. And, he did not- 16

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deem his conversation with Mutchler confidential and waived any privilege in writing. 2
I t is enough to say , however, that while opinions differ on this subject across many jurisdictions, 3 the Kentucky Supreme Court has promulgated no rule recognizing such a privilege; nothing in KRS Chapter 67C explicitly recognizes any such privilege; and, simply inferring a privilege from a statute is , as our caselaw amply demonstrates, a strongly disfavored practice. See Kentucky Rule of Evidence (KRE) 501 (providing that privileges can be granted by the Constitution, rules promulgated by the Kentucky Supreme Court, or by statute) ; s ee also Collins v. Braden , 384 S.W.3d 154, 159 (Ky. 2012) (explaining “ the almost universally accepted rule that testimonial privileges are generally disfavored and should be strictly construed.” ( c itation omitted)). If the FOP wishes to pursue the recogn ition and protection of the privilege , that is more appropriately the prerogative of the legislative branch or the Kentucky Supreme Court. Hence, given this and in light of Sgt. White’s wavier, any further discussion of case law from other jurisdictions

a s cited by the FOP is a futile endeavor.

2 The FOP also asks this Court to consider whether the privilege might have applied, had LMPD questioned Mutchler about any conversations Mutchler may have had with Lt. George

– someone who did not execute a waiver of any kind of privilege. We decline to do so because it is not our prerogative to render advisory opinions. See Bingham Greene baum Doll, LLP v. Lawrence , 567 S.W.3d 127, 129

- 30 (Ky. 2018).

3 See, e.g. , Michael D. Moberly, Extending a Qualified Evidentiary Privilege to Confidential Communications Between Employees and Their Union Representatives , 5 N EV
. L.J . 508 (2004)

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- In sum, a reviewing court may only overturn the decision of an agency if the agency acted arbitrarily or outside the scope of its authority, if the agency applied an incorrect rule of law, or if the decision itself is not supported by substantial evidence on the re cord. Ky. State Racing Comm’n v. Fuller , 481 S.W.2d 298, 300

- 07 (Ky. 1972). Here, the FOP’s sole contention is that the Cabinet misapplied the law discussed above . W e disagree . For the reasons discussed above, w e therefore AFFIRM.

MAZE, JUDGE, CONCURS AND FILES SEPARATE OPINION. CALDWELL, JUDGE, DISSENTS AND FILES SEPARATE
OPINION. MAZE, JUDGE, CONCURRING: I fully agree with the reasoning and the result of the majority opinion. I write separately to emphasize the reasons why thi s is not the case to recognize a union business privilege. First and foremost, as the majority opinion aptly states, Sgt. White made a knowing and voluntary waiver of any privilege. I agree with the majority that the FOP has no standing to assert a privi lege.

Furthermore, our legislature has the exclusive authority to adopt privileges on matters outside of courtroom proceedings. Co mmonwealth , Cabinet for Health and Family Servs. v. Chauvin , 316 S.W.3d 279, 286 (Ky. 2010). When courts are called upon to address the issue, the issue is generally whether the- 18

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General Assembly expressed a clear intent to establish a privilege, either through the express language of the statute or by necessary implication. In Chauvin , the General Assembly enacted legislation limiting the disclosure of KASP E R 4
information. Id. Similarly, in Manns v. Commonwealth , 80 S.W.3d 439 (Ky. 2002), the Court discussed a statutory provision restricting disclosure of juvenile records. And in Sisters of Charity Health Systems., Inc. v. R aikes , 984 S.W.2d 464 (Ky. 1998), the legislation limited the disclosure of peer

- review hospital records in medical malpractice suits. In each of these cases, the Court inferred the General Assembly’s intent to create a privilege from statutory language e xcluding certain specifically identified records from disclosure.

Here, the FOP does not cite to any specific statutory language creating an exception from disclosure of identified information. Rather, the FOP argues that this Court should infer the exi stence of a privilege as a necessary implication of the collective bargaining scheme in KRS Chapter 67C. The FOP points out that other jurisdictions have inferred the existence of a union business privilege from similar statutory language. The National L abor Relations Board (NLRB) recognized the existence of an implied union business privilege under the National Labor Relations Act in Cook Paint and Varnish Co., 258 N

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N

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. 1230, 1981 WL 21122 (1981). However, the NLRB has been del egated

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broad authority to enforce the Act’s provisions prohibiting employers from engaging in any unfair labor practice affecting commerce. May Dep’t Stores Co. v.
N.L.R.B. , 326 U.S. 376, 390, 66 S. Ct. 203, 211

- 12, 90 L. Ed. 145 (1945). The FOP does no t identify any similar delegation of authority to the Labor Cabinet.

Nevertheless, the FOP points out that courts in other states have adopted similar interpretations of their collective bargaining statutes. But to date, only two states, New York and Alas ka, have applied the Cook Paint reasoning to their statutes. See City of Newburgh v. Newman , 421 N.Y.S.2d 673, 70 A.D.2d 362 (N.Y. App. Div. 1979), and Peterson v. State , 280 P.3d 559 (Alaska 2012). Illinois has expressly adopted a statutory union agent

– union member privilege. Bell v. Vill. of Streamwood , 806 F. Supp. 2d 1052 (N.D. Ill. 2011) ( citing 735 I LL
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- 803.5 ) . And three other states, Calif ornia, New Hampshire , and Massachusetts, have declined to apply the Cook Paint reasoning to their collective bargaining statutes. American Airlines, Inc. v. Superior Court , 114 Cal. App. 4th 881, 891, 8 Cal. Rptr. 3d 146 (2003) ; In re Grand Jury Subpoena , 155 N.H. 557, 560

– 561, 563, 926 A.2d 280 , 283 (2007) ; and Chadwick v. Duxbury Pub. Sch s . , 475 Mass. 645, 655, 59 N.E.3d 1143 , 1151 (2016).

Thus, the weight of precedent does not overwhelmingly favor the interpretation of KRS Chapter 67C advocated by the F OP. In any event, Kentucky law does not favor broad assertions of privilege because they contravene the- 20

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fundamental principle that the public has a right to every man’s evidence. Raikes , 984 S.W.2d at 468. For this reason, our courts generally refrain f rom recognizing privileges merely by implication of statute. See Caldwell v. Chauvin , 464 S.W.3d 139, 159

- 60 (Ky. 2015) ( holding that the f ederal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act ( HIPAA ) does not create a privilege prohibiting interview s of nonexpert treating physicians ) . I am convinced that this Court is not authorized to adopt such a broad reading of the statute. Rather, that prerogative is left to either the Kentucky General Assembly or our Supreme Court, not to an intermediate
appe llate court. As a result, even if the proposed privilege had not been clearly waived, I would decline to recognize the existence of a union business privilege in this case. CALDWELL, JUDGE, DISSENTING: I respectfully dissent. In the narrow context of d etermining whether unfair labor practices occurred in the course of internal disciplinary proceedings and investigations, Kentucky Revised Statutes (KRS) 67C.400 et seq
. implicitly creates a limited “privilege” such that the FOP representative cannot be co mpelled to disclose the content of communications with union members about internal disciplinary proceedings to the employer. Further, while I believe the majority opinion is correct that this limited “privilege” would belong to the employee and not the u nion, the Kentucky Labor Cabinet did not make a finding that the employee had validly waived this privilege.- 21

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Therefore, I would reverse the Jefferson Circuit Court’s judgment and remand with directions to vacate the Cabinet’s denial of the unfair labor pr actice charge and remand to the Cabinet to determine if the “ privilege ” was validly waived

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Of note, while both parties and the courts have used the term “privilege,” and it is not inaccurate, it also imbues a meaning of consequence far more reaching th an what I perceive is sought. I would express no opinion as to whether a union business privilege exists other than as implicitly arising under
KRS 67C.400 et seq
. in the specific context discussed herein. In other words, I would not reach whether Kentucky law generally recognizes a union business privilege nor whether a union business privilege arises under any other statute, regulation , or other legal authority. I would simply recognize that the communications between an employee and his union representative regarding internal disciplinary proceedings in the specific context here are confidential. And I would recognize that it is an unfair labor practice in this co ntext for an employer to compel disclosure of those communications under threat of further disciplinary actions or other coercive measures. For ease of reference, I will refer to a “union business privilege” to signify the protection from disclosure of c onfidential communications between union representatives and members regarding internal disciplinary proceedings

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- I must disagree with the circuit court’s opinion , and the co ncurring majority opinion, accepting the Cabinet’s argument that it lacked authority to recognize a union business privilege because “KRS 67C.402 and KRS 67C.406 contain no language which would lead to the creation of a union business privilege between a u nion representative and its members.” And while I do not fundamentally disagree with the circuit court’s view of the legislature as having power to create privileges, I construe the legislature’s adoption of KRS 67C.400, et
seq . to necessitate by implicat ion the creat ion of this limited union business privilege , particularly in light of authority in existence at the time of its adoption

— such as Cook Paint and Varnish Co., 258 N.L.R.B. No. 166, 258 N

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. 1230 (1981). Despite any lack of specific languag e explicitly recognizing a privilege or the confidentiality of certain communications, I believe such a privilege is implied reading all words and phrases in the governing statutes in their proper context. In short, I disagree with the Cabinet’s conclusio n that the existence of this privilege is precluded by a lack of explicit language specifically referring to a “privilege” or information deemed “confidential.”

KRS 67C.402(1) states: Police o fficers of a consolidated local government shall have, and shall be protected in the exercise of, the right of self

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- wages, hours, and other conditions of employment f ree from interference, restraint , or coercion.
O ur legislature has long called for liberal construction of statutes , “with a view to promote their objects and carry out the intent of the legislature

. . . . ” KRS 446.080(1) (enacted in 1942 ). Further , i n construing statutes, we must consider all words or phrases in a statute and not ignore some words or phrases. Pearce v. University of Louisville, by and through its Board of Trustees , 448 S.W.3d 746, 751 (Ky. 2014); Krieger v. Garvin , 584 S.W.3d 727, 72 9 (Ky. 2019).

So, when construing KRS 67C.402(1)’s language “ t o bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing on questions of wages, hours, and other conditions of employment free from interference, restrain t, or coercion” there is simply no logical way to not include internal disciplinary proceedings as an “other condition [] of employment.” (Emphasis added.) In fact, when considering “other conditions of employment” outside of those relating to wages and hou rs, it is difficult to think of one more significant than conduct codes and rules regarding internal disciplinary measures.

As FOP points out, many provisions KRS 67C.400 et seq . are nearly identical to provisions of the National Labor Relations Act (NLR A). 5 Thus, I find

5 See KRS 67C.402(1) & (3), providing: (1) Police officers of a consolidated local government shall have, and shall be protected in the exercise of, the right of self

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persuasive outside authority construing the NLRA or other similar statutory provisions to recognize a limited union business privilege in the context here. See Cook Paint and Varnish Co. , supra ; City of Newburgh v. Newman , 421 N.Y.S.2d 673, 70 A.D.2d 362 (N.Y. App. Div. 1979)

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While Kentucky courts may not be required to follow Cook Paint or federal or other state court cases construing the NLRA or similar statutes to determine if a union business privilege exists, we may certainly consider whether we find such outside authority persuasive, particularly when there is no Kentucky

a ny labor organization, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing on questions of wages, hours, and other conditions of employment free from interference, restraint, or coercion.

. . . (3) Labor organizations recognized by a consolidated local government as the exclusive representative or so designated in accordance with the provisions of this section shall be responsible for representing the interest of all police officers in the unit without discrimination. Compare 29 U.S.C . (United States Code) § 157, providing in part: “Employees shall have the right to self

- organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted ac tivities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection . . .” with KRS 67C.406(1)(a), providing: “Except as provided in KRS 336.130(3), consolidated local governments, their representatives, or their agents are prohibited from : Interfering, restraining, or coercing police officers in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in KRS 67C.402 [.] ” Compare 29 U.S.C. § 158(a)(1), providing: “It shall be an unfair labor practice for an employer

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- to interfere with, restrain, or coerce e mployees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in section 157 of this title” with KRS 67C.410(1), providing: “Violations of the provisions of KRS 67C.406 shall be deemed to be unfair labor practices remedial by the cabinet . . .”
C f. 29 U.S.C. § 160(a), providing: “The Board is empowered, as hereinafter provided, to prevent any person from engaging in any unfair labor practice (listed in section 158 of this title) affecting commerce.”- 25

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case directly on point. Kentucky’s appellate C ourts have often cited federal case law construing federal statutes that are similar to Kentu cky statues to interpret said statutes. This has occurred even when our state statutes make no explicit reference to those similar federal statutes. See , e.g . , Com monwealth , Dep ’t of Agriculture v.
Vinson , 30 S.W.3d 162, 169 (Ky. 2000) ; Kentucky New Era , Inc. v. City of Hopkinsville , 415 S.W.3d 76, 80 n.3 (Ky. 2013).

Further, I agree with FOP that it makes sense to infer that communications between union representatives and union members are confidential and prohibited from coerced disclosure , in cert ai n contexts , in order to allow union representatives to effectively perform their statutory duties under KRS
67C.400 et seq . I do not believe Sgt. Mutchler was far off point with his lay understanding of what a union business privilege would entail. And, w hile courts interpret statutes, statutes are written by the legislature for all people, not just lawyers. It is not unheard of for a common understanding to be the intent of legislation. It is perhaps best said in Cook Paint :

[T]he very facts sought were the substance of conversations between an employee and his steward, as well as the notes kept by the steward, in the course of fulfilling his representational functions. Such consultation between an employee potentially subject to discipline and his unio n steward constitutes protected activity in one of its purest forms. To allow Respondent here to compel the disclosure of this type of information- 26

- under threat of discipline manifestly restrains employees in their willingness to candidly discuss matters w ith their chosen, statutory representative s . 258 N

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. at 1232. The Federal Labor Relations Authority 6 relied heavily on the analysis in Cook Paint to explicitly recognize a “privilege” just like the limited union business privilege I urge recognizing here in U.S. Department of the Treasury Customs Service Washington , D.C. and National Treasury Employees
Union , 38 F.L.R.A. 1300 , 1308

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Though Louisville /Jefferson County Metro Government (LMG) points out that various federal and state courts have determined that no union business privilege existed even where federal or state statutes may resemble the NLRA, many of these decisions con cerned a significantly different context than here. Rather than concerning court review of an administrative agency action about whether questioning of a union representative amounted to an unfair labor practice, often these decisions involved discovery d isputes in civil litigation. See
De g randis v. Children’s Hospital Boston , 203 F. Supp. 3d 193 (D. Mass. 2016); Chadwick v. Duxbury Pub

. Schs

. , 475 Mass. 645, 59 N.E.3d 1143 (2016 ). In contrast, in the context of determining whether an unfair labor practi ce resulted from compelling disclosure of communications between union representatives and

6 The Federal Labor Relations Authority is the ind ependent federal administrative agency that administers the labor

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members about internal disciplinary proceedings, other authorities have recognized the limited privilege I urge recognizing here. See Cook Paint; City of Newbur gh ; U.S. Department of Treasury , supra .

As for waiver of any such privilege, LMG correctly argues that privileges may be waived. But though LMG points to Sgt. White ’s signing a document indicating he intended to waive any privilege applicable to him, the
C abinet did not make a definitive finding that Sgt. White waived the privilege. And FOP has asserted Sgt. White did not even have an opportunity to consult counsel before signing the document.

As FOP argues , the purpose of the privilege is to encourage individual union members to make candid disclosures to their union representatives, regarding the individual union member as the holder ; therefore, it makes sense to prohibit disclosure of communications with the representative unless the individual membe r waives the privilege. And FOP has not cited any authority to support its argument that the union or union representative is the holder of the privilege

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Although there is not a plethora of published authority on the question, an unpublished federal a ppellate court decision held that a union business

- type privilege would be held by the represented employee and not by the union representative. See Martin v. Department of Homeland Security , 810 F

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App ’x 867 (Fed. Cir. 2020 ). On the issue of waiver, I a gree with the majority that it is the employee, and not the union, that holds the union business privilege.

However, neither t he circuit court’s opinion , nor the majority’s, definitively stat e s whether a union business privilege existed

. Instead, they
i ncorrectly distinguished this case from Cook Paint based on Sgt. White ’s not being subject to investigation and having waived the privilege

— contrary to the Cabinet’s findings

— to find that any privilege did not apply or was waived.

The circuit court states on page five of its opinion and order that Sgt. White “was not the subject of the PSU investigation.” But the Cabinet’s factual findings included a statement that the PSU investigator had testified that “Sgt. White had been served a notice by the time of the interview and was therefore considered by the PSU to be under investigation.” And the Cabinet further explained in a footnote that: “Officers generally receive a ‘48

- Hour Notice’ before they are questioned if they face the possibility of disciplinar y action in relation to the subject matter of the questioning.” Sgt. White received such a 48

- Hour Notice.

In short, Sgt. White was the holder of the privilege recognize d herein pertaining to his communications with his union representative (Sgt. Mutchler) about internal disciplinary matters

. But the Cabinet made no finding whether he validly waived any privilege. As the circuit court functioned as an appellate court
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reviewed only the findings actually made by the Cabinet rather than making its own findings on matters not decided by the Cabinet. And this Court similarly
should not make the initial d etermination about whether the privilege was waived. See Klein v. Flanery , 439 S.W.3d 107, 122 (Ky. 2014) (“As an appellate court, we review judgments; we do not make them.”) ; Calhoun v. CSX Transp., Inc. , 331 S.W.3d 236, 245 (Ky. 2011) (“ In this Commonwe alth, it is axiomatic that appellate courts are not fact

- finders

. . . the Court of Appeals exceeded its scope of review when it made factual findings regarding the validity of some of Appellants ’ evidence. ”). Even though Sgt. White initialed a form purp orting to waive any privilege applying to him, signing a waiver form does not always mean that a waiver is valid. See Humphrey v. Commonwealth , 153 S.W.3d 854, 858 (Ky. App.
20 04 ) (despite juvenile’s signing form indicating he was waiving his right to a
p reliminary hearing before transfer to circuit court, “ based on the record, we are not convinced that the waiver was valid .”). FOP suggested to the decision

- makers below that Sgt. White did not validly waive a privilege as it emphasized he did not consult with union representatives or counsel before signing the waiver form. But the Cabinet did not determine whether the waiver was valid

— a matter which can involve questions of fact as well as law. See generally 5 C.J.S

. Appeal and Error § 824 (202 1 ) (waiver of attorney

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and fact). Rather than attempt to make our own findings of fact or conclusions of law regarding the validity of Sgt. White’s waiver, I believe it is more appropriate
to remand to the C abinet to address this matter.

So, I would recognize a limited union business privilege in this specific context , and I would reverse the trial court with directions to vacate the denial of the unfair labor practice charge and to remand to the Cabinet f or the limited purpose of determining whether Sgt. White validly waived th is union business privilege

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BRIEF S AND ORAL ARGUMENT FOR APPELLANT: David Leightty Louisville, Kentucky BRIEF FOR APPELLEE , LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT : Michael J. O’Connell Jefferson County Attorney J. Daniel Landrum Wendy C. Hyland Assistant Jefferson County Attorneys Louisville, Kentucky
ORAL ARGUMENT FOR APPELLEE, LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT : Wendy C. Hyland Assistant Jefferson Coun ty Attorney Louisville, Kentucky
BRIEF AND ORAL ARGUMENT FOR APPELLEE, KENTUCKY LABOR CABINET: John R. Rogers Frankfort, Kentucky