**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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1 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

2 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2014, 2015, AND 2016 STANDARDS

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22 Kansas City, Kansas 66101**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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### PARTICIPANTS 2 

### EPA MEMBERS: 3 

### BECKY WEBER, Chair 4 

### PAUL ARGYROPOULOS 5 

### WARD BURNS 6 

### BEN HENGST 7 

### MADISON LE 8 

### JOSH TAPP 9 

### LESLYE WERNER 10 11 

### PANEL 2: 12 

### BOB GRECO 13 

### JOE JOBE 14 

### KENLON JOHANNES 15 

### RANDALL DOYAL 16 

### TOM BUIS 17 

### JAMES ZOOK 18 19 

### PANEL 4: 20 

### JOHN BULLOCK 21 

### ALAN WEBER 22 

### KELLY GILBERT

Page 3 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 4 (CONTINUED):** 3 **KEVIN HERDLER** 4 **BERNIE HOFFMAN** 5 **JENNIFER WEAVER** 6 7 **PANEL 6:** 8 **JOHN CAUPERT** 9 **TIM PHELPS** 10 **BROOKE COLEMAN** 11 **MONTE SHAW** 12 **LUCY NORTON** 13 **GRANT MENKE** 14 15 **PANEL 8:** 16 **SCOTT AVERHOFF** 17 **WESLEY SPURLOCK** 18 **KENNETH HARTMAN** 19 **JEFF JARBOE** 20 **WAYNE ANDERSON** 21 **ADAM NIELSEN** 22 Page 4

1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 10:** 3 **CHARLIE GOOD** 4 **GENE YOUNGQUIST** 5 **JIM LEITING** 6 **RAY DEFENBAUGH** 7 **SALLY STRICKER** 8 **R. TIMOTHY COLUMBUS** 9 10 **SPECIAL PANEL:** 11 **CURT FRIESEN, Nebraska Unicameral Legislature** 12 **WHITNEY WESTERFIELD, Kentucky State Senate** 13 **DAVID BRACHT, Nebraska Energy Office** 14 15 **PANEL 12:** 16 **KIRK SPIKES** 17 **THOMAS W. ROBB** 18 **CHRISTOPHER G. STANDLEE** 19 **BRENDA HEFFELFINGER** 20 **JOE REGNERY** 21 **DAVID A. COX** 22

Page 5 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 14:** 3 **GREG KRISSEK** 4 **KEN MCCAULEY** 5 **PAT ROSS** 6 **DENNIS GENGENBACH** 7 **HANNAH BORG** 8 **JON HOLZFASTER** 9 10 **PANEL 16:** 11 **DON BLOSS** 12 **SARAH SEXTON-BOWSER** 13 **JOHN DUFF** 14 **VERN JANTZEN** 15 **STEVE NELSON** 16 17 **PANEL 18:** 18 **STEVE MARKHAM** 19 **CARSON KLOSTERMAN** 20 **JEFF ENGER** 21 **MIKE CLEMENS** 22 **KEVIN SKUNES Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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Page 7 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 24 (CONTINUED):** 3 **JED BOWER** 4 5 **PANEL 26:** 6 **BOB BOWMAN** 7 **LYNN CHRISP** 8 **JEFF GUTZ** 9 10 **PANEL 28:** 11 **PERRY BACON** 12 **ROCK ORMISTON** 13 **TOM WILLIS** 14 **JEFF BRIGGS** 15 **SASHA FORSEN** 16 **BRIAN ENGEL** 17 18 **PANEL 30:** 19 **AUSTIN LUDOWESE** 20 **DAVE MANGINE** 21 **CARL SITZMANN** 22 **JERRY JOHNSON, Nebraska State Senate** Page 8 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 32:** 3 **CARSON BERGER** 4 **DAVE SOVEREIGN** 5 **JERRY A. CALEASE** 6 **CHRIS TINGLE** 7 **PAUL BACKMAN** 8 **MARVIN OERKE** 9 10 **PANEL 34:** 11 **CHRISTOPHER VEIT** 12 **CRAIG AMMANN** 13 **BRYAN DIEDIKER** 14 **JOHN BECKER** 15 **RICK HANSEN** 16 **JANE KLEEB** 17 18 **PANEL 36:** 19 **MIKE JERKE** 20 **JEFF SCHARPING** 21 **MICHAEL J. CHISAM** 22 **MARK MARQUIS**

Page 9 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 36 (CONTINUED):** 3 **STEVE ROE** 4 **BRUCE PATTERSON** 5 6 **PANEL 38:** 7 **EDWARD L. CONDON** 8 **BRIAN CAHILL** 9 **NICK BOWDISH** 10 **DAVID KRAMER** 11 **RHETT ADAMS** 12 13 **PANEL 33:** 14 **CHRIS VAN ROEKEL** 15 **CORAL DIDION** 16 **PAUL BERTELS** 17 **MARK BEEMER** 18 19 **FINAL PANEL:** 20 **BRIAN BAALMAN** 21 **DEREK PEINE** 22 **JOE KREUTZER Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **P R O C E E D I N G S** 2 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Good morning, everyone. I'd** 3 **ask everybody if you could please take your seats. I** 4 **see most of our Panel 2 members are already up here,** 5 **but I would request that Panel 4 please come to the** 6 **staging area, which is over here to your right, to our** 7 **left.** 8 **That's Mr. Bullock, Kelly Gilbert, Alan Weber,** 9 **Jennifer Weaver, Kevin Herdler, and Bernie Hoffman,** 10 **please. Over to the staging area.** 11 **With that, I'm going to have Becky Weber begin the** 12 **hearing.** 13 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Paul.** 14 **Good morning to everyone, and welcome. And thanks** 15 **for joining us today.** 16 **My name is Becky Weber. I'm the EPA Region 7** 17 **Office of Air and Waste Director, which is here in** 18 **Kansas City.** 19 **We are pleased that our Air Office from** 20 **Headquarters, Office of Transportation and Air Quality,** 21 **is hold the hearing here today in the heartland of** 22 **America. And I heard from many of you, and I know** Page 12

1 **you're equally as pleased that they're having it here** 2 **for travel purposes. I know that they want to hear as** 3 **many views as possible on the Renewable Fuel Program.** 4 **And as always, the Midwest has been a terrific** 5 **host so far. They've already been on an ethanol tour** 6 **and been treated to the great barbecue here in Kansas** 7 **City.** 8 **We'll be hearing testimony today on the Notice of** 9 **Proposed Rulemaking for the 2014, '15, and '16** 10 **standards under the Renewable Fuel Program, as well as** 11 **the required volume for biomass-based diesel in 2017.** 12 **The proposed rulemaking was signed by the Administrator** 13 **on May 29th and was published on June 10th.** 14 **The rule proposes both the volume requirements and** 15 **the corresponding percentage standards for cellulosic** 16 **biofuel, biomass-based diesel, advanced biofuel, and** 17 **total renewable fuel for 2014, '15, and '16. It also** 18 **proposes the 2017 volume requirement for biomass-based** 19 **diesel.** 20 **EPA is inviting comment on all aspects of the** 21 **proposed rulemaking, and we specifically ask** 22 **stakeholders to provide us relevant and up-to-date data**

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1 **and analysis on many issues discussed in the proposal** 2 **concerning the supply of renewable fuels. EPA looks** 3 **forward to continued engagement with our stakeholders** 4 **as we work in consultation with the Departments of** 5 **Agriculture and Energy toward the development of the** 6 **final rule.** 7 **I'm going to hand it over quickly to Ben Hengst,** 8 **who will do a quick summary of the rule.** 9 **MR. HENGST: Thank you, Becky.** 10 **My name is Ben Hengst. I'm the Associate Office** 11 **Director for the Office of Transportation and Air** 12 **Quality. With me from the Headquarters office, Madison** 13 **Le and Paul Argyropoulos, who both are involved in the** 14 **RFS program.** 15 **So, as Becky said, I'm just going to give a quick** 16 **introduction to the proposed rule itself, then hand it** 17 **over to Becky to talk a little bit about how we're** 18 **going to run the hearing today, and then we'll go ahead** 19 **and get started.** 20 **So, with respect to the proposal, under the Clean** 21 **Air Act, EPA is required to determine renewable fuel** 22 **standards each year. While Congress specified volumes Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **for each year for all four categories of renewable** 2 **fuel, Congress also provided the authority to EPA to** 3 **change those volume requirements under certain** 4 **conditions.** 5 **The cellulosic biofuel standard must be based on** 6 **the volume projected to be available using EIA** 7 **projections and assessments of production capability** 8 **from industry.** 9 **The applicable volume of biomass-based diesel must** 10 **be determined for 2013 and beyond, as the statute does** 11 **not specify the applicable volumes for years after** 12 **2012. The biomass-based diesel volume requirement can** 13 **be no lower than 1 billion gallons, but it can be** 14 **higher following an analysis of a number of factors** 15 **listed in the statute.** 16 **With regard to advanced biofuel and total** 17 **renewable fuel, the statute provides several waiver** 18 **authorities that permit reductions in the required** 19 **volumes under certain circumstances. We believe those** 20 **circumstances are upon us.** 21 **More specifically, due to the fact that cellulosic** 22 **biofuel has not come online as fast as we had hoped,**

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1 **coupled with the current constraints in the fuel market** 2 **to accommodate increasing volumes of ethanol, the** 3 **volume targets specified by Congress in the Clean Air** 4 **Act for 2014, '15, and '16 cannot, in our opinion, be** 5 **achieved.** 6 **Simply setting the standards at the levels** 7 **targeted by Congress and trusting this will** 8 **sufficiently incentivize the market to achieve the** 9 **mandates in physical gallons for 2016 would, in our** 10 **opinion, not be appropriate. The gap between the** 11 **volume target and the statute and the actual level of** 12 **cellulosic production is simply too big, on the order** 13 **of 4 billion gallons.** 14 **This gap cannot be closed in the next 12 to 18** 15 **months. This is not to say that over time we don't** 16 **think it can be closed, just not on this timeframe.** 17 **At the same time, we recognize that the statutory** 18 **volume targets were intended to be ambitious. Congress** 19 **set targets that envisioned growth at a pace that far** 20 **exceeded historical growth rates. Congress clearly** 21 **intended the RFS program to incentivize changes that** 22 **would be unlikely to occur absent the RFS program.** Page 16

1 **Thus, while we're proposing to use the tools** 2 **provided by Congress to reduce the volumes below the** 3 **statutory levels, we are proposing standards that are** 4 **consistent with Congress' clear goal of increasing** 5 **renewable fuel production and use over time. The** 6 **proposal has been specifically designed to overcome the** 7 **E10 blend wall.** 8 **The proposed volumes would require significant** 9 **growth in renewable fuel production and use over** 10 **historical levels. We believe the proposed standards** 11 **to be ambitious, but within reach of a responsive** 12 **marketplace.** 13 **Finally, in addition to today's hearing, I just** 14 **want to make clear there is also an opportunity to send** 15 **us written comments. I'm sure many of you know this** 16 **already. There is some paper on the desk out front** 17 **that explains exactly how to submit those comments.** 18 **The comment period closes on July 27th.** 19 **So, with that, let me hand it back to Becky to** 20 **talk about how we're going to run the hearing itself.** 21 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you, Ben.** 22 **We're conducting the hearing in accordance with**

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1 **Section 307(d)(5) of the amended Clean Air Act, which** 2 **requires the EPA to provide interested persons an** 3 **opportunity for oral presentation in addition to the** 4 **written submissions. The official record of this** 5 **hearing will be kept open for 30 days to provide for** 6 **submission of rebuttal and supplemental testimony.** 7 **The hearing will be conducted informally, and** 8 **formal rules of evidence will not apply. I will be** 9 **serving as the presiding officer of today's hearing,** 10 **and as such, I will strike statements from the record** 11 **which are irrelevant or needlessly repetitious and will** 12 **apply reasonable limits on the duration of the** 13 **statement of any witness.** 14 **Because we have a very long list of those wishing** 15 **to testify today, each person will be given no more** 16 **than 3 minutes to provide his or her verbal testimony.** 17 **I and other EPA personnel at the table will be keeping** 18 **close track of testimony times and will be reminding** 19 **each testifier when your time is up. Please be** 20 **courteous to those that follow you and keep your** 21 **comments to no more than 3 minutes.** 22 **We will be using a panel format for today's Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **testimony. Six individuals at a time will sit at the** 2 **tables up front and will provide their testimony in** 3 **succession. Witnesses must state their name and** 4 **affiliation prior to making their statement.** 5 **When each witness is finished his or her** 6 **presentation, the EPA panel will have an opportunity to** 7 **ask questions related to the testimony. Witnesses are** 8 **reminded that any false statements or false responses** 9 **to questions may be in violation of the law.** 10 **In order to streamline the process, members of** 11 **each panel should be in the room well in advance of** 12 **their projected panel time and should make their way to** 13 **the staging area to the side of the panel tables while** 14 **the previous panel members are finishing their** 15 **testimony. The screen behind me will show which panel** 16 **is presenting.** 17 **If any members of the audience wishing to testify** 18 **have not already signed up, please submit your name at** 19 **the registration table reserved for those giving verbal** 20 **testimony. We'll try to accommodate everyone who wants** 21 **to testify. Everyone attending should sign the** 22 **register whether or not you testify.**

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1 **Thank you very much. And with that, I believe our** 2 **first panel is ready to go.** 3 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Just a couple of other points** 4 **before we begin. First, I want to remind all panelists** 5 **that you need to state your name and organization or** 6 **affiliation clearly for our court reporter.** 7 **Also, we do have the 3-minute limit, and we are** 8 **going to be pretty diligent on that. There was an** 9 **indicator there with lights -- red, yellow, and green.** 10 **The green will start when you commence to testifying.** 11 **At 1 minute, there will be a yellow light, and we** 12 **would ask that you wrap up your comments at that point.** 13 **And when the red light goes off, that is your reminder** 14 **that your time has expired.** 15 **Also while we are here, we are here as a hearing.** 16 **So we will be listening and listening very intently.** 17 **However, no one here on the panel or out of the** 18 **audience will be able to ask us any questions.** 19 **And with that, I think what we'll do is we'll just** 20 **go down in the order of seating. So, again, that's why** 21 **it's important that you state your name and** 22 **affiliation. We'll start with Mr. Greco.** Page 20

1 **Thank you.** 2 **MR. GRECO: Good morning, and thank you for the** 3 **opportunity today.** 4 **I am Bob Greco, downstream group director at the** 5 **American Petroleum Institute. API is the only national** 6 **trade association representing all facets of the oil** 7 **and natural gas industry. API's more than 640 members** 8 **include large, integrated companies, as well as** 9 **exploration and production, refining, marketing,** 10 **pipeline, marine businesses, and service and supply** 11 **firms.** 12 **Our members' primary RFS concern is the ethanol** 13 **blend wall. Serious vehicle and retail infrastructure** 14 **compatibility issues exist with gasoline containing** 15 **more than 10 percent ethanol. We are encouraged that** 16 **EPA has proposed to address this reality. Gasoline** 17 **demand increases projected in 2007 did not materialize,** 18 **and Congress granted EPA the authority to balance its** 19 **aspirational goals with reality.** 20 **API supports EPA's use of its explicit RFS waiver** 21 **authorities in 2014, '15, '16, and beyond to avoid** 22 **negative impacts on America's fuel supply and to**

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1 **prevent harm to American consumers. E85 is not the** 2 **answer to the ethanol blend wall. We remain very** 3 **concerned that EPA presumes E85 demand will drive total** 4 **ethanol volumes to exceed 10 percent of gasoline supply** 5 **in 2016 and beyond.** 6 **History demonstrates that motorists have largely** 7 **rejected E85 because, according to AAA data, the fuel** 8 **economy penalty ends up costing consumers more money in** 9 **the long run. It is unrealistic for EPA to assume any** 10 **significant near-term E85 volume increases.** 11 **EPA's unrealistic market scenarios fail to account** 12 **for the significant retail investments that are needed,** 13 **particularly when only 6 to 7 percent of vehicles on** 14 **the road can even use the fuel, and Federal action to** 15 **sunset the CAFE credit removes the future incentive for** 16 **automakers to produce flex-fuel vehicles.** 17 **The ethanol-to-gasoline ratio should not exceed** 18 **9.7 percent through 2016. This small tolerance is** 19 **needed to account for the difficulty in blending** 20 **ethanol into every gallon, to ensure a fungible RIN** 21 **market, and to preserve a market for consumers to** 22 **choose E0 or clear gasoline. EPA minimizes the demand Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **for E0 when, in fact, consumers clearly prefer clear** 2 **gasoline to both E85 and E15.** 3 **It is also inappropriate and invalid for EPA to** 4 **increase the biomass-based diesel standard beyond 2017.** 5 **The statute requires any increase in the biomass-based** 6 **diesel volumes to be finalized at least 14 months prior** 7 **to the start of the compliance year.** 8 **Finally, EPA still does not have an acceptable** 9 **model for predicting cellulosic production capacity in** 10 **the time it takes to ramp up production. API** 11 **recommends that EPA use actual demonstrated production** 12 **and demonstrated ramp-up rates.** 13 **In closing, we support the EPA's proposal to waive** 14 **the RFS volumes in recognition of the blend wall. This** 15 **action is appropriate and necessary to avoid near-term** 16 **economic harm. Until Congress repeals or significantly** 17 **reforms the RFS, EPA must continue to address the** 18 **obsolete volume requirements by exercising its waiver** 19 **authorities and revert to the timeline as required by** 20 **the statute.** 21 **Thank you again for the opportunity to discuss** 22 **these issues, and I'm happy to answer your questions.**

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1 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Thank you. Next presenter,** 2 **please?** 3 **MR. JOBE: Good morning. I'm Joe Jobe, CEO of the** 4 **National Biodiesel Board.** 5 **Thank you for your recent efforts to get the RFS** 6 **program back on schedule and growing and for your** 7 **approach in proposing to set category targets at** 8 **maximum achievable volumes. It's a common sense** 9 **approach that was abandoned on the biomass-based diesel** 10 **category.** 11 **You stated that -- that where you set those** 12 **volumes doesn't matter because production will** 13 **ultimately be driven by the total advanced category.** 14 **You also acknowledge Congress intended for biomass** 15 **based diesel to have its own category and that** 16 **increasing that category can add confidence and** 17 **stability.** 18 **But you proposed small increases in '16 and '17,** 19 **stating that these volumes will serve as a minimum. It** 20 **is inconsistent to propose maximum achievable volumes** 21 **for all categories in the program, but only minimum** 22 **volumes for biomass-based diesel.** Page 24

1 **Your concern over competition among noncellulosic** 2 **advanced biofuels can be addressed by increasing D4s** 3 **and D5s by the same amount. You proposed 1.8 billion** 4 **gallons for 2016. We hit that in 2013. We can easily** 5 **supply 2.4 billion gallons in '16, but it would be** 6 **unreasonable for you to set it below 2 billion gallons** 7 **in 2016.** 8 **Adding a diesel category to the RFS was the** 9 **purpose for the RFS2. RFS1 was just a gasoline market.** 10 **That is specifically why then-Senator Obama introduced** 11 **the alternative diesel standard in the American Fuels** 12 **Act of 2006, which was the precursor policy that became** 13 **the EISA. It called for 2 billion gallons of biodiesel** 14 **by 2015.** 15 **We disagree with your approach requiring biofuels** 16 **to compete for reduced volumes in the D5 category.** 17 **While encouraging competition among biomass-based** 18 **diesel and sugarcane ethanol may sound like a good** 19 **thing, it is a flawed approach. These are completely** 20 **different fuels with different market dynamics that do** 21 **not move in unison.** 22 **It is as flawed as expecting freight trains to**

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1 **compete against passenger cars. They serve different** 2 **purposes and markets. Artificially forcing an** 3 **either/or situation is not the kind of healthy** 4 **competition that would normally lead to efficiencies.** 5 **False competition between products in different markets** 6 **defeats the goal of stability and ultimately will** 7 **defeat the goal of reducing the cost of the program.** 8 **Increase the volumes for 2016 and 2017, and you** 9 **will improve the entire program.** 10 **Thank you.** 11 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 12 **MR. JOHANNES: Welcome to warm and sunny Kansas.** 13 **My name is Kenlon Johannes, and I'm the CEO of the** 14 **Kansas Soybean Association, and I played a major role** 15 **in the beginning of the biodiesel industry in the U.S.** 16 **I hope to take you back to the start of the** 17 **industry, where we have come, and where we are now.** 18 **I'm confident there is room for additional growth in** 19 **the current proposed numbers.** 20 **Just over 20 years ago, soybean farmers were** 21 **struggling to find a market for excess soybean oil,** 22 **which is a co-product when soybeans are processed into Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **animal feed and soy foods. Soybean oil surpluses were** 2 **causing storage problem and lowering prices. Soybean** 3 **farmers recognized that the biodiesel market would** 4 **increase that demand for soybean oil and offer a** 5 **domestic supply of renewable energy.** 6 **From the very beginning, the goals were to have a** 7 **safe, domestic, clean, renewable fuel to clean the air,** 8 **bolster our economy, and provide a fuel feedstock** 9 **diversity. Working together, several States pooled** 10 **their soybean checkoff funds to begin the research and** 11 **technical work to pave the way for what would become** 12 **America's first advanced biofuel, biodiesel.** 13 **Today not only does biodiesel support domestic** 14 **soybean prices, but it also delivers more significant** 15 **greenhouse gas emissions reductions than any other** 16 **domestic commercial-scale fuel. It is supporting tens** 17 **of thousands of jobs across the country, and perhaps** 18 **most importantly, it's helping diversify our fuel** 19 **supply.** 20 **Our dependence on a single commodity -- oil --** 21 **threatens not only our economic stability, but our** 22 **national security. Following the intent of the RFS, we**

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1 **should be working as aggressively as we can to** 2 **encourage the development of clean, alternative fuels** 3 **so that we aren't leaving the future generations to a** 4 **continued dependence on what could be a finite** 5 **resource.** 6 **I urge you to include additional biodiesel growth** 7 **in the RFS volumes. While recent proposal for these** 8 **under the program is a step in the right direction, I** 9 **don't think it fully capitalizes on what biodiesel can** 10 **do. Substituting higher amounts of biodiesel for** 11 **diesel fuel is the simplest way to handle that.** 12 **It's clear the U.S. biodiesel industry has the** 13 **ability and the capacity to increase production above** 14 **and beyond the standards called for in the proposal,** 15 **particularly when you consider the potential for** 16 **sharply increased imports under the RFS. When farmers** 17 **in 1992 considered doing the research and development** 18 **for biodiesel, they did it based on two at that time** 19 **recent pieces of legislation, the Energy Policy Act of** 20 **1992 and the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.** 21 **They felt comfortable that these two acts would be** 22 **there for the biodiesel industry in the future. The** Page 28

1 **RFS is the future of those two pieces of legislation,** 2 **and it's EPA's role to continue that legacy.** 3 **I ask you to reconsider the standards in your May** 4 **proposal, finalize stronger standards in 2016 and 2017.** 5 **While I continue to believe these volumes are readily** 6 **achievable and sustainable, I ask that you set the** 7 **standards for not less than 2 billion gallons for 2016** 8 **and 2.3 billion gallons for 2017.** 9 **Thank you very much.** 10 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 11 **And also if I could remind the speakers to put the** 12 **mike closer to them? Thank you.** 13 **MR. DOYAL: Good morning. My name is Randall** 14 **Doyal. I'm CEO of Al-Corn Clean Fuel, a farmer-owned,** 15 **50 million gallon per year corn ethanol facility in** 16 **Claremont, Minnesota. I also currently serve as the** 17 **chairman of the RFA.** 18 **Al-Corn Clean Fuel was founded as a cooperative in** 19 **1994 by local farmers who wanted to add value to their** 20 **corn crop, stimulate the local economy, and contribute** 21 **to the enhanced energy security and a cleaner** 22 **environment. We are adamantly opposed to EPA's**

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1 **proposed rule reducing the RFS volumes from the levels** 2 **envisioned by Congress.** 3 **The RFS has been a tremendous success and has** 4 **worked exactly as intended to drive growth in biofuel** 5 **production and consumption. The program has played a** 6 **pivotal role in reducing petroleum imports, lowering** 7 **gas prices, improving air quality, and strengthening** 8 **the economic health of rural America. We simply do not** 9 **understand why EPA is proposing to move backward on a** 10 **program that has undoubtedly delivered on its promise.** 11 **Moreover, the Clean Air Act statute does not** 12 **permit EPA to take into account factors that affect** 13 **consumption, such as purported infrastructure** 14 **constraints or the so-called blend wall, in determining** 15 **whether to grant a general waiver of the RFS. By** 16 **embracing the blend wall concept, the EPA proposal not** 17 **only violates the law, but also undermines the** 18 **incentive to expand biofuel production and distribution** 19 **capacity.** 20 **This allows oil companies to blend only as much** 21 **renewable fuel as they're comfortable using. Even** 22 **though gasoline consumption may be slightly lower today Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **than Congress anticipated in 2007 when RFS2 was** 2 **adopted, it was always the intent of the program to** 3 **push well beyond the so-called blend wall and increase** 4 **the share of renewable fuels in our nation's fuel** 5 **supply.** 6 **EPA may grant a waiver based on an inadequate** 7 **domestic supply of renewable fuel only if the biofuels** 8 **industry lacks the capability to produce the required** 9 **volumes of renewable fuel needed to meet the statutory** 10 **requirements, but that is clearly not the situation** 11 **today given record production in 2014 and the** 12 **forecasted supply of ethanol and carryover RIN credits** 13 **in 2015 and 2016.** 14 **It also strikes us as illogical that the EPA would** 15 **ignore RIN stocks in determining whether supply is** 16 **adequate to meet statutory volumes. Because carryover** 17 **RINs represent physical gallons that are or were in the** 18 **fuel supply, they must be included in the calculating** 19 **the proper RVOs.** 20 **Over the past 10 years, the RFS has provided** 21 **stability and certainty needed for our business to** 22 **invest in multiple expansion projects, as well as new**

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1 **technologies to increase production efficiencies,** 2 **decrease environmental impacts, and diversify product** 3 **streams. We're greatly concerned that backtracking on** 4 **the RFS, as EPA is proposing to do, will cause RIN** 5 **stocks to swell to burdensome levels, undermining** 6 **further innovations and investments in ethanol** 7 **production and distribution.** 8 **On behalf of both Al-Corn Clean Fuel and the RFA,** 9 **I urge you to get the RFS back on track. We encourage** 10 **you to abandon the illegal blend wall methodology and** 11 **let farmers and ethanol producers respond to the** 12 **challenge set forth by Congress in 2007.** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 15 **MR. BUIS: Good morning, and thank you for the** 16 **opportunity to testify today.** 17 **My name is Tom Buis. I'm CEO of Growth Energy.** 18 **Growth Energy represents 87 ethanol plants, and about** 19 **90 associate members around the country are involved in** 20 **the value chain of producing ethanol.** 21 **Our members produce ethanol from corn and sorghum** 22 **and are leaders in innovating second-generation fuels** Page 32

1 **like cellulosic ethanol from corn stover, algae, and** 2 **other plant waste. We see the renewable fuel standard** 3 **as a modern American success story that's created jobs,** 4 **revitalized rural America, injected much-needed** 5 **competition into the vehicle fuels market, lowered the** 6 **price at the pump, improved the environment, and made** 7 **our nation more energy independent.** 8 **Unfortunately, while somewhat better than the** 9 **previous proposed rule, your latest RVO proposal to** 10 **waive the statutory renewable volume obligations would** 11 **eviscerate the promise of the RFS. It would cause** 12 **severe harm to farmers, the biofuels industry, the** 13 **nation's economy, and consumers. The proposal is** 14 **already creating great uncertainty throughout the** 15 **industry.** 16 **The RFS was approved by a bipartisan majority in** 17 **Congress and enacted into law 8 years ago. And since** 18 **that time, the oil industry has used its considerable** 19 **power to delay, litigate, and undercut the RFS at every** 20 **step.** 21 **Now, by refusing to take any steps to allow higher** 22 **biofuel blends into the consumer marketplace, the oil**

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1 **industry is claiming the statutory volumes of the RFS** 2 **cannot be met because of the so-called blend wall. The** 3 **EPA proposal to waive the statutory renewable fuel** 4 **volumes mistakenly accepts this logic.** 5 **It ignores the potential for E15 and higher blends** 6 **in biodiesel. It ignores the large surplus of RINs,** 7 **which could be used. It ignores increased gasoline** 8 **demand, and most fundamentally, it ignores the** 9 **congressional intent in creating the RFS in 2007.** 10 **The program was designed to spur investment in** 11 **renewable fuels, not to punish those who invested while** 12 **rewarding those who have impeded development. Since** 13 **the RFS's inception, the ethanol industry has produced** 14 **ample biofuel to meet the obligations of the RFS.** 15 **With this proposal and waiving the statutory** 16 **volumes on the ground that there is insufficient demand** 17 **for higher blends, notwithstanding the fact the** 18 **obligated parties have refused to give consumers a** 19 **choice at the pump. The statutory level -- excuse me.** 20 **Also according to most recent figures, fuel** 21 **consumption is going up, 80,000 barrels per day in 2014** 22 **and expected increase of another 130,000 barrels per Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **day in 2015.** 2 **Let me summarize very quickly by just saying if** 3 **you seek to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and to** 4 **create jobs here in America that cannot be outsourced** 5 **and strengthen our rural economy, and if you truly want** 6 **cleaner air, reduced greenhouse gas emissions, a better** 7 **environment for our children, and lower gas prices for** 8 **American consumers, then you need to change this flawed** 9 **proposal.** 10 **As Ronald Reagan implored to Mikhail Gorbachev 30** 11 **years ago, tear down this blend wall. Don't tickle it.** 12 **Don't brush up against it. Tear down the wall.** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **MS. WEBER: Sir? Sir, I want to ask you to** 15 **conclude your comments.** 16 **MR. ZOOK: Good morning, and thank you for the** 17 **opportunity to testify.** 18 **My name is Jim Zook, and I'm the executive** 19 **director for the Michigan Corn Growers Association.** 20 **We're based in Lansing, Michigan.** 21 **Our organization represents more than 1,400 corn** 22 **growers across the State. Michigan is home to five**

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1 **ethanol facilities. Every ethanol facility in our** 2 **State buys their corn locally, usually within an hour** 3 **or two drive of the plant.** 4 **Thanks to local ethanol production, corn growers** 5 **have a local market for their product. This is** 6 **especially important at a time when corn prices in** 7 **Michigan and nationwide are below the cost of** 8 **production.** 9 **Ethanol production is also important for the rural** 10 **communities we call home. Every one of Michigan's** 11 **ethanol plants is located in a rural area, and they** 12 **collectively employ a few hundred workers.** 13 **In fact, every year, Michigan-made ethanol results** 14 **in more than a billion dollars in plant and ancillary** 15 **wages that are pumped back into the rural communities.** 16 **These ethanol companies buy American-made first and** 17 **hire local contractors.** 18 **In addition to the local economic benefits our** 19 **State enjoys from ethanol production, corn growers have** 20 **a sense of pride in creating a product that competes** 21 **with the oil industry. First, because ethanol is a** 22 **cleaner-burning product, a study last year by Michigan** Page 36

1 **State University researchers showed that the use of** 2 **ethanol in Michigan reduces dangerous greenhouse gas** 3 **emissions entering our atmosphere by 1.4 million metric** 4 **tons annually. That is one of the goals of the RFS2.** 5 **And using EPA's estimates, this greenhouse gas** 6 **reduction is equivalent to the emissions of about** 7 **300,000 cars in our State, and that's every year. As a** 8 **result, researchers have shown ethanol is creating a** 9 **healthier environment for our families while protecting** 10 **our air, land, and the Great Lakes. Reducing the** 11 **volumes of ethanol called for in the RFS will reverse** 12 **the advancements made in this greenhouse gas** 13 **reductions.** 14 **Second, we're proud that ethanol plays an** 15 **important role in boosting national security. The use** 16 **of ethanol prevents more than $44 billion every year** 17 **from being sent to other nations to pay for imported** 18 **oil, and our military doesn't need to be deployed to** 19 **defend our cornfields.** 20 **We believe that we can build on the tremendous** 21 **accomplishments achieved to date by America's biofuels** 22 **industry. Ethanol has revitalized rural communities in**

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1 **Michigan, reduced our dependence on foreign oil, and** 2 **reduced our greenhouse gas emissions not just in** 3 **Michigan, but across the nation. It's a product corn** 4 **growers take pride in.** 5 **On behalf of more than 1,400 members of our** 6 **association, I ask that the EPA act to restore the** 7 **renewable volume obligations for each year to the** 8 **statutory amount. The RVO should not be limited by** 9 **petroleum industry market agreements or their lack of** 10 **desire to install infrastructure.** 11 **Thank you again for this opportunity to testify.** 12 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, James.** 13 **Any questions from the panel?** 14 **(No response.)** 15 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you to the first** 16 **panel.** 17 **If Panel 4 could come to the table, and then** 18 **you're going to call Panel 6?** 19 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Yes, if Panel 6 could please go** 20 **over to our staging area over on your right? Brooke** 21 **Coleman, Tim Phelps, Grant Menke, Lucy Norton, Monte** 22 **Shaw, and John Caupert. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **(Pause.)** 2 **MS. WEBER: All right. Panel 4 can begin.** 3 **MR. BULLOCK: Thank you.** 4 **Good morning. My name is John Bullock. I'm chief** 5 **strategy officer for Darling Ingredients. Darling has** 6 **been at the forefront of advanced biofuels, producing** 7 **both biodiesel and renewable diesel.** 8 **I'd like to start today by saying something that I** 9 **suspect you're probably not going to hear very much** 10 **today. Nice Job.** 11 **We particularly appreciate you altering your** 12 **position on biomass-based diesel and the advanced fuel** 13 **mandates. Darling appreciates the serious and** 14 **conscientious manner in which the EPA has evaluated the** 15 **merits of biomass-based diesel and its contribution to** 16 **both environmental and fuel policy.** 17 **We were very pleased to see the EPA acknowledge** 18 **the industry as a leader in providing cost-efficient,** 19 **carbon-reducing fuels. Indeed, the track record is an** 20 **American success story. The industry has not only** 21 **provided enough biodiesel and renewable diesel to** 22 **fulfill the mandated volumes, but it's provided**

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1 **additional gallons, which help fulfill the larger** 2 **advanced bucket.** 3 **It is important to note that this has been** 4 **accomplished while producing fuels that reduce** 5 **greenhouse gas emissions at levels exceeding those** 6 **required for cellulosic.** 7 **However, you have to know that no compliment can** 8 **go unpunished today. And so, while Darling applauds** 9 **the EPA for altering your course and increasing those** 10 **volume obligations from the numbers originally proposed** 11 **for '14 and '15, we believe that the EPA has not** 12 **provided enough runway for biomass-based diesel,** 13 **considering all the benefits and the track record of** 14 **the industry.** 15 **We would like to see the EPA reconsider its** 16 **approach for '16 and '17 for both biomass-based diesel** 17 **and advanced biofuels. Darling will submit comments** 18 **supporting targets of 2 billion for '16 and 2.3 billion** 19 **for 2017 for biomass-based diesel, with corresponding** 20 **increases in the advanced biofuel category.** 21 **All of the elements are in place to support these** 22 **proposed volumes in the coming years. The industry** Page 40

1 **possesses all of the capabilities. Feedstocks,** 2 **particularly those with the substantial ability to** 3 **reduce greenhouse gas emissions, processing capacity,** 4 **and distribution infrastructure are in place.** 5 **The industry has exceeded its mandate every year,** 6 **despite a great recession, an unreliable and largely** 7 **retroactive tax policy, and uncertainty concerning the** 8 **RVOs. Given this track record of accomplishment and** 9 **the clear concept established in the proposed rule of** 10 **encouraging expansion of advanced biofuels, it is both** 11 **sound logic and common sense that the EPA would** 12 **increase the mandates above those proposed in the rule.** 13 **Darling today represents over 180 million gallons** 14 **of biomass-based diesel. We stand ready to increase** 15 **both our biodiesel and renewable diesel platforms if we** 16 **see that there is a sufficient growth path established** 17 **for the industry.** 18 **Finally, I recognize that the EPA is concerned** 19 **about expanding the RVO for biomass-based diesel beyond** 20 **the limits of the industry's capacity. However, the** 21 **volumes we ask for today do not do this. Instead, it** 22 **accommodates the existing capacity and encourages**

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1 **growth while leaving for growth in the cellulosic** 2 **category.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MS. WEBER: Thank you. Go ahead.** 5 **MR. WEBER: So good morning. My name is Alan** 6 **Weber. I'm a partner with MARC-IV. Our firm provides** 7 **technical and economic support to the National** 8 **Biodiesel Board.** 9 **And given our constraints in terms of time today,** 10 **I just want to briefly introduce three topics on our** 11 **industry -- economic modeling, the impacts of a growing** 12 **biodiesel industry on animal agriculture, and then** 13 **interaction of the RFS with other Federal programs,** 14 **namely, the most recently passed farm bill.** 15 **So each year, our economic team, we work to** 16 **analyze both current as well as future market demand** 17 **scenarios. We rely primarily upon partial equilibrium** 18 **modeling, models that were developed by WAEES, and** 19 **you'll have a chance actually later today to hear** 20 **directly from Dr. John Kruse. He'll explain more about** 21 **the model, as well as some of our results.** 22 **So I'd like to just take a step backwards and note Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **a couple of things. The first is that last year,** 2 **January 2014, we actually conducted a series of** 3 **economic runs as it related to our carbon analysis. We** 4 **presented that information to you, as well as other** 5 **Federal agencies.** 6 **And looking back at that work, what I'd like to** 7 **note is that we're actually within 1 percent of** 8 **forecasting the weighted feedstock cost for 2014. So I** 9 **know there's nothing exact in the world of economics,** 10 **but our modeling effort is doing a very reasonable job** 11 **of forecasting price trends, as well as relative cost.** 12 **Second, feedstock production or feedstock costs** 13 **right now are at some of the lowest levels in recent** 14 **history, and our modeling suggests that those feedstock** 15 **costs will remain stable. If we look, for example, at** 16 **crude degummed soybean oil last year, it averaged** 17 **around 38 cents a pound. First 5 months of this year,** 18 **less than 32 cents a pound. We haven't seen those** 19 **levels since pre-2009, and yet we're producing at** 20 **levels that are historically at some of the highest** 21 **levels.** 22 **Our economic forecasting suggests that even if we**

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1 **set the D4 RVO at 2.1 this year, an increase by 300** 2 **million gallons a year, which is obviously higher than** 3 **the proposed rule, that we would still see stable** 4 **pricing in the future in terms of feedstocks.** 5 **So I should also note that in addition to my day** 6 **job, I still farm with my family in central Missouri,** 7 **or at least this year we're trying to farm. We're a** 8 **diversified crop and livestock operation. So all** 9 **aspects of agriculture are important to me, including** 10 **livestock.** 11 **And I think I can sum up the impacts of biodiesel** 12 **on livestock in just three easy points. More biodiesel** 13 **equals more meal because we use soybeans, equals** 14 **decreased feed costs. And this has been documented** 15 **empirically.** 16 **More biodiesel equals increased carcass values** 17 **because of the use of animal fats, which results in** 18 **higher revenue streams for livestock producers. This** 19 **also has been documented empirically.** 20 **And more biodiesel equals more glycerin, which** 21 **provides additional options for livestock producers in** 22 **terms of energy for their rations.** Page 44

1 **Finally, last week, USDA's Farm Service Agency,** 2 **they announced some of the statistics in terms of** 3 **enrollment from growers as part of the Agricultural Act** 4 **of 2014. Essentially, there are provisions there to** 5 **provide a safety net for farmers.** 6 **And our economic forecasting, our economic** 7 **modeling actually details the fact that where you set** 8 **the D4 RVO does impact expenditures at the Federal** 9 **level, and specifically, a higher level would result in** 10 **lower costs.** 11 **Thank you so much, and as always, I'm happy to** 12 **follow up.** 13 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Al.** 14 **MS. GILBERT: Hello. I'm Kelly Gilbert. I work** 15 **for Metropolitan Energy Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit** 16 **in Kansas City. Our company is host to the Kansas City** 17 **Regional Clean Cities Coalition.** 18 **I'm here to talk about why the RFS is important to** 19 **the Clean Cities mission of reducing petroleum** 20 **consumption in the U.S. and why we should retain** 21 **aggressive national targets for renewable petroleum** 22 **replacements. My job supports the goals of the**

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1 **Alternative Motor Fuels Act of 1988, the Clean Air Act** 2 **Amendments of 1990, as well as the Energy Policy Act of** 3 **1992.** 4 **These laws encourage the production and use of** 5 **alternative fuel vehicles and the reduction of vehicle** 6 **emissions. In my job, I provide technical assistance** 7 **to fleets deploying alternative fuel vehicles and** 8 **advanced vehicles, including large fleets that operate** 9 **in multiple States.** 10 **Before truck manufacturers widely warranted** 11 **equipment for B20, a local municipal fleet was using** 12 **blends of 20 percent biodiesel in winter and 50 percent** 13 **in summer. The fleet manager didn't pick and choose** 14 **which trucks and tractors to use it in. It went into** 15 **the municipal underground storage tanks and was** 16 **dispensed to all of the diesel equipment.** 17 **He didn't warn the mechanics. He didn't warn the** 18 **drivers. In fact, he kept it very quiet so he could** 19 **track the material impact that biodiesel had on his** 20 **fleet.** 21 **It turns out there was no increase in unscheduled** 22 **service calls, no increase in mechanical failures, and Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **as you all know, a decrease in air emissions. This is** 2 **a terrific success story, right? Unfortunately, the** 3 **price of biodiesel spiked and stayed high, due in part** 4 **to regulatory uncertainty.** 5 **Our work also brought us into contact with a** 6 **school district in central Kansas. They very much** 7 **wanted to use biodiesel in his fleet to support the** 8 **farmers in his community and State, whose livelihood** 9 **include farming biodiesel feedstocks.** 10 **However, none of his suppliers offer biodiesel.** 11 **It shouldn't be that hard to buy a product that is** 12 **made, feedstock to refined product, within his own** 13 **State. Regulatory uncertainty is hurting this slice of** 14 **the economy in mid America.** 15 **Now I could tell you some success stories for** 16 **biodiesel or ethanol, and I could tell you more like** 17 **what I just did as well. In fact, I have a** 18 **heartbreaker. But it's clear by now that it's** 19 **imperative that my stakeholders, the public agencies** 20 **and private businesses of Kansas and Missouri, not to** 21 **mention the farmers and their families and the biofuel** 22 **refineries, imperative that they have a stable**

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1 **regulatory environment so a mature biodiesel market can** 2 **finally maturely develop.** 3 **If biodiesel -- if biofuels are so great, why do** 4 **we need a cumbersome regulation to support them? The** 5 **short answer is the entrenched petroleum industry.** 6 **That industry is currently vital to our way of life,** 7 **including our economy and national security. This fact** 8 **makes it difficult for consumers, including large** 9 **corporations, to make a decision -- to support domestic** 10 **renewable fuels just because it's good for the nation.** 11 **It's clear that the U.S. biodiesel industry has** 12 **the ability to produce quality products and the** 13 **capacity to increase production above and beyond the** 14 **standards called for in your recent proposal. We** 15 **should be building our domestic industry, and doing so** 16 **requires strong policy signals.** 17 **I ask that you reconsider the biodiesel standards** 18 **and urge you to set the standards for no less than 2** 19 **billion gallons for 2016 and 2.3 billion gallons for** 20 **2017.** 21 **Thank you.** 22 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Kelly.** Page 48

1 **MR. HERDLER: Hi, I'm Kevin Herdler, and I'm with** 2 **the St. Louis Clean Cities Program. We promote** 3 **American fuels, advanced vehicle technologies and** 4 **vehicles. Our mission is to reduce our dependence on** 5 **foreign oil, replace that oil with American-made fuels** 6 **and technologies. By doing so, we improve our air** 7 **quality, we create energy security, and most** 8 **importantly, we create jobs.** 9 **Today, I would like to emphasize how important** 10 **biodiesel is to that mission. In 2014, St. Louis** 11 **displaced almost 12.4 million gallons of gasoline and** 12 **diesel. Fifty percent of that number was biodiesel.** 13 **Biodiesel truly has an impact on the St. Louis region,** 14 **and it has created and maintained jobs.** 15 **I know how important emissions are to you. I've** 16 **been involved in 10 clean diesel grants and hoping for** 17 **my 11th. St. Louis is currently in nonattainment for** 18 **ozone and PM2.5. To go along with the 12-plus million** 19 **gallons we displaced in '14, we reduced greenhouse** 20 **gases by 111,000 tons. Eighty percent of that was** 21 **directly related to biodiesel.** 22 **According to EIA, in '13, the U.S. imported**

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1 **3,000,574,781,000 barrels of crude oil and petroleum** 2 **products. That cost the United States $388 billion on** 3 **imported oil. Think of what we could accomplish if we** 4 **put that money into our own economy by growing** 5 **dependent on American fuels.** 6 **I want to thank you for the most recent proposal.** 7 **It is a step in the right direction, and it provides** 8 **continued growth. But I feel it doesn't go far enough.** 9 **The proposed increase for '17 is only slightly higher** 10 **than the 1.8 billion that was produced in '13.** 11 **For the final rule, I'm asking that you increase** 12 **that to at least 2.4 for '16 and 2.7 for '17, or even** 13 **more. I know the biodiesel industry can handle it, not** 14 **to mention we're seeing sharp increases in imported** 15 **biodiesel from places like Argentina that qualify for** 16 **this RFS.** 17 **I'd like to ask for some safeguards that gives the** 18 **U.S. biodiesel an upper hand over foreign imports.** 19 **Remember jobs.** 20 **In closing, we improve our U.S. energy security by** 21 **using American fuels. Renewable fuels like biodiesel** 22 **are diversifying the U.S. fuel supplies and expanding Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **domestic refining capabilities so that our economic** 2 **stability and national security are not so vulnerable** 3 **to global oil markets. That improves U.S. energy** 4 **security that because despite U.S. oil production,** 5 **petroleum is still a global commodity that is sharply** 6 **shaped by geographical factors beyond our control.** 7 **Thank you for taking time today in this important** 8 **issue that affects so many and can improve America's** 9 **energy, economic, and environmental security.** 10 **Thank you.** 11 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Kevin.** 12 **MR. HOFFMAN: Good morning. Madison, Ben, Paul,** 13 **Becky, thank you.** 14 **My name is Bernie Hoffman, and I'm here** 15 **representing a company called WB Services. And I want** 16 **to share that I'm here 100 percent in support of the** 17 **RFS as enacted and voice my concern and disappointment** 18 **over the current proposed RVO.** 19 **But I want to frame that a little bit by sharing** 20 **that I am a petroleum engineer by undergrad education.** 21 **I spent 20 years in the petroleum industry. I was** 22 **also a past president of a regional Society of**

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1 **Petroleum Engineers.** 2 **I ride a Harley-Davidson, and I put ethanol** 3 **blended fuels in it all the time. And I drive a flex** 4 **fuel truck. That means that you're going to hear a lot** 5 **about things like energy independence, rural jobs,** 6 **clean air. I agree wholeheartedly.** 7 **But I want to focus today on WB Services, the** 8 **company that I'm a partner in and am here representing** 9 **because I think WB is a perfect example of what the RFS** 10 **means to the United States. It came into being in 2007** 11 **with four people who had a vision to help the ethanol** 12 **industry grow, diversify, become more efficient, and** 13 **today, WB Services is about 180 employees, has worked** 14 **in about 100 ethanol plants. And we think we've been** 15 **responsible for helping the industry become more** 16 **efficient.** 17 **In 15 years, we've seen ethanol plants increase** 18 **yield, nearly double their energy balance in their** 19 **efficiency, reduce natural gas consumption by over a** 20 **third, and continue to move down that path. We've also** 21 **implemented, as some of you learned yesterday, a new** 22 **technology taking corn oil to a drop-in fuel,** Page 52

1 **converting to renewable diesel, which we think is a** 2 **tremendous benefit and would not be possible without** 3 **the host ethanol plants that we intend to build these** 4 **and integrate them with.** 5 **We're also working on some other technologies** 6 **involving niche opportunities to create cellulosic** 7 **ethanol, which I believe is the future for the** 8 **cellulosic, not -- and I give kudos to people like** 9 **DuPont and POET and Abengoa for their efforts. But I** 10 **think the real future for cellulosic will be a niche** 11 **small, integrated facility at an existing ethanol** 12 **plant.** 13 **So WB, I think, is an example of what the RFS has** 14 **meant to this country. We're among the thousands and** 15 **thousands of indirect jobs created, not the direct jobs** 16 **that are obvious, and I think there are dozens of other** 17 **WBs in the United States that would not exist if it** 18 **were not for this industry and the RFS.** 19 **Thank you.** 20 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Bernie. Good morning.** 21 **MS. WEAVER: Good morning. I'm Jennifer Weaver.** 22 **I've served for the past 14 years as the OEM outreach**

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1 **and education program specialist for the National** 2 **Biodiesel Board.** 3 **I'm pleased to report that automaker support for** 4 **the use of biodiesel blends in their diesel vehicles** 5 **has grown immensely over the past 14-plus years. Now** 6 **every major manufacturer producing diesel engines or** 7 **vehicles for the U.S. market supports at least 5** 8 **percent biodiesel blends, or B5, and over 75 percent of** 9 **the diesel vehicles coming off of production lines** 10 **today are approved for use with B20 biodiesel blends.** 11 **These vehicles include the heavy duty and medium duty** 12 **trucks that account for more than 92 percent of the** 13 **actual diesel and biodiesel fuel usage in the United** 14 **States.** 15 **While we believe that the most recent EPA proposal** 16 **has significantly improved language regarding biodiesel** 17 **blending levels and engine manufacturers, we do believe** 18 **that it maintains flawed and misleading language** 19 **regarding OEM warranties that should be corrected.** 20 **First, it's important to note that original** 21 **equipment manufacturers, or OEMs, do not warranty fuel** 22 **at all, no matter if that fuel is biodiesel, diesel, Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **gasoline, or otherwise. Rather, the OEMs only warrant** 2 **the actual parts and workmanship of the vehicle or** 3 **engine that they themselves produce, and they simply** 4 **provide recommendations for the types of fuel,** 5 **lubricants, et cetera, that are suggested for use in** 6 **those vehicles.** 7 **For example, Caterpillar states within their** 8 **commercial diesel engine fluids recommendations that** 9 **when auxiliary devices, accessories, or consumables,** 10 **such as filters, oil, additives, catalysts, fuel, et** 11 **cetera, made by other manufacturers are used on** 12 **Caterpillar products, the Caterpillar warranty is not** 13 **effective simply because of such use.** 14 **Failures that result from the installation or** 15 **usage of other manufacturers' auxiliary devices,** 16 **accessories, or consumables, however, are not** 17 **Caterpillar factory defects and, therefore, are not** 18 **covered by Caterpillar's warranty.** 19 **Our goal is to work with every equipment** 20 **manufacturer to provide credible and truthful** 21 **information, along with working to secure their** 22 **approval for B20 in every diesel engine moving forward.**

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1 **We recognize that the approval level that exists for** 2 **each individual company, these approvals in no way** 3 **impact the individual warranty statements.** 4 **The good news is that we have hard, real-world** 5 **data demonstrating that blends above B5 are incredibly** 6 **effective, even in older vehicles where higher blends** 7 **were not necessarily foreseen. Illinois has had a tax** 8 **incentive encouraging the use of B11 since 2004, and** 9 **for more than a decade, hundreds of thousands of** 10 **vehicles have been successfully using B11 biodiesel** 11 **fuel in that State.** 12 **Minnesota passed a B10 requirement last year, and** 13 **we've seen successful implementation without any uptick** 14 **in engine problems resulting from fuels.** 15 **The United States biodiesel industry has been and** 16 **always will remain, excuse me, absolutely committed to** 17 **doing the work necessary to ensure to the successful** 18 **use of biodiesel and its many applications. The** 19 **National Biodiesel Board highly values our strong** 20 **working relationship with the EPA, and we look forward** 21 **to the opportunity to provide you with additional** 22 **relevant factual and credible data to support a strong** Page 56

1 **national energy policy, including the increasing use of** 2 **an advanced biofuel such as biodiesel.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Jennifer.** 5 **Any questions from the EPA panel? No?** 6 **(No response.)** 7 **MS. WEBER: Thank you to Panel 4. Panel 6, if you** 8 **can proceed to the front?** 9 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And also Panel 8, if you could** 10 **make your way over to the staging area over on your** 11 **right? Scott Averhoff, Wesley Spurlock, Jeff Jarboe,** 12 **Kenneth Hartman, Adam Nielsen, and Wayne Anderson.** 13 **And it doesn't matter where you sit, if you just** 14 **please be reminded, you need to state your name,** 15 **affiliation.** 16 **MS. WEBER: All right. Go ahead. Thank you.** 17 **MR. CAUPERT: Yep. Good morning. My name is John** 18 **Caupert. I'm the executive director of the National** 19 **Corn-to-Ethanol Research Center. I want to thank you** 20 **for the opportunity to testify this morning and discuss** 21 **the impact of the proposed RVOs.** 22 **As a nationally recognized center dedicated to the**

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1 **research, development, and commercialization of** 2 **technologies utilized to produce biofuels, we're on the** 3 **front lines of this debate. As stated in The Hill on** 4 **Thursday, June 18th of 2015, when the public and** 5 **private sectors work together to tackle big problems,** 6 **it benefits society as a whole. That's exactly what** 7 **we're doing at our center. We're a shining example of** 8 **a public-private partnership that works.** 9 **The first 6 years of our existence more than 90** 10 **percent of our funding came through public sources.** 11 **Today, more than 90 percent of our funding comes in the** 12 **form of contractual research we perform for the private** 13 **sector, with our remaining funds coming In the form of** 14 **competitive grants.** 15 **Over our 12 years of existence, more than $36** 16 **million of contractual research has been performed by** 17 **our center, resulting in more than 50 products and** 18 **technologies now in the commercial marketplace. These** 19 **50 technologies have produced 5,000 direct jobs and are** 20 **generating in excess of $5.5 billion of annual revenue.** 21 **Due to our dependence on private sector** 22 **contractual work, we feel the immediate impact of Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **policy unrest. Why? Policy unrest leads to market** 2 **uncertainty. Market uncertainty leads to investment** 3 **uncertainty. And when the investment community feels** 4 **uncertain, research, development, and commercialization** 5 **stops.** 6 **There is a direct overlap between R&D and** 7 **employment. We've trained over 600 unemployed and** 8 **underemployed persons to gain skills necessary to go to** 9 **work in the new bioeconomy. Ninety-three percent of** 10 **these trainees are now gainfully employed in the** 11 **biofuels sector. If this proposal becomes final, these** 12 **600 people, along with thousands more, will potentially** 13 **find themselves back on the unemployment lines.** 14 **Our center is staunchly opposed to the proposed** 15 **level of RVOs. This proposal has created uncertainty** 16 **in the marketplace, resulting in millions of dollars of** 17 **biofuels contractual research projects to be postponed.** 18 **If the proposed levels are finalized, the result** 19 **will be financially devastating to many sectors of the** 20 **U.S. economy. Why? Because with this level of RVOs,** 21 **investment in research, development, and** 22 **commercialization won't be postponed, it won't slow**

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1 **down, it'll stop.** 2 **In closing, I'd like to draw everyone's attention** 3 **to the pin that's on my lapel. I was awarded this pin** 4 **Wednesday, June 10th of this year, as authorized by the** 5 **Office of the Secretary of Defense. This pin** 6 **symbolizes my support of the United States military.** 7 **This pin was awarded to me as recognition for** 8 **being an employer of men and women serving in active** 9 **military reserves and the National Guard. But this pin** 10 **symbolizes something much greater than that. It** 11 **symbolizes the dedication and sacrifice of all who** 12 **serve in the United States military.** 13 **You see, ladies and gentlemen, the RFS, it's not** 14 **just about clean air, job creation, economic** 15 **opportunity, and energy independence. It's also about** 16 **national security. Due to the global war on terror and** 17 **our nation's continued dependence on imported foreign** 18 **oil, thousands of our servicemen and women have paid** 19 **the ultimate sacrifice.** 20 **The proposed level of RVOs are an insult to all** 21 **who have served and a disgrace to all who have died on** 22 **behalf of our nation's national security. They fought** Page 60

1 **for us. Now it's time that we fight for them and ask** 2 **to return to the RVOs to the statutory levels.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, John. Congratulations on** 5 **your recognition.** 6 **MR. CAUPERT: Thank you.** 7 **MR. PHELPS: Good morning. My name is Tim Phelps.** 8 **I represent the Indiana Ethanol Producers Association,** 9 **the Hoosier State's leading trade association for the** 10 **interests of the biofuels industry.** 11 **Indiana has 14 ethanol plants that together** 12 **produce approximately 1 billion gallons of renewable** 13 **fuels annually, ranking the State fourth nationally in** 14 **production with almost 8 percent of the market.** 15 **Indiana also produced over 3 million tons of DDGs and** 16 **approximately 180 million pounds of industrial-grade** 17 **corn oil.** 18 **According to a recent study of the renewable fuel** 19 **sector in Indiana, including conventional, cellulosic,** 20 **biodiesel, advanced biodiesel and their suppliers** 21 **generate a total of $6.1 billion in economic activity** 22 **annually. In Indiana, this economic activity means**

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1 **jobs, often in rural communities where they need them** 2 **the most.** 3 **The same study found that the sector supported** 4 **over 25,000 jobs in the State, generating over $1.2** 5 **billion in wages. All these numbers about ethanol's** 6 **importance to the State of Indiana are critical because** 7 **the proposed reduction in the RVO for 2016 is greater** 8 **than the entire annual ethanol production capacity in** 9 **the State of Indiana.** 10 **It is clear the renewable fuel standard has been a** 11 **tremendous success for the Indiana economy, cleaning** 12 **our air while reducing our dependence on foreign oil.** 13 **Efforts to change the RFS will do nothing but** 14 **jeopardize this progress while creating uncertainty for** 15 **Hoosiers whose livelihood depends on the promises that** 16 **the Government made through the RFS.** 17 **The RFS gave each stakeholder a different charge.** 18 **Farmers were asked to find a way to grow more** 19 **feedstocks. Ethanol producers were asked to produce** 20 **more renewable fuel. And finally, oil companies and** 21 **retailers were asked to find a way to put that fuel** 22 **into the nation's fuel supply. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Ethanol and renewable energy producers, along with** 2 **Hoosier farmers, have lived up to their end of the deal** 3 **set forth in the RFS, doing it by doing more with less,** 4 **innovating to squeeze every ounce of fuel and food out** 5 **of each kernel.** 6 **Oil companies, on the other hand, have not held up** 7 **their end of the deal and have been unwilling to** 8 **install the infrastructure needed to introduce higher** 9 **blends into the marketplace. And now they're using** 10 **this refusal as justification for lowering the RVO.** 11 **It's time for the administration to honor the** 12 **commitments made in the renewable fuel standard instead** 13 **of giving in to those demands who refuse to comply with** 14 **the law.** 15 **The RFS is America's most successful energy policy** 16 **in the last 40 years, and now is not the time to take a** 17 **step backwards. The proposed rule is bad for Indiana,** 18 **and it's bad for the country. The EPA should return** 19 **the RVO to the statutory volume signed by Congress.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MS. WEBER: Thank you. Go ahead.** 22 **MR. COLEMAN: Hi, my name is Brooke Coleman,**

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1 **Advanced Ethanol Council. I'll take his 14 seconds and** 2 **add it onto mine, if you don't mind.** 3 **(Laughter.)** 4 **MR. COLEMAN: In terms of what we're going to talk** 5 **about today, first is the good news. We represent** 6 **cellulosic biofuel producers, all of the ones you guys** 7 **are putting in the cellulosic table. DuPont, POET-DSM,** 8 **Abengoa, Quad County -- we represent those companies.** 9 **And so, from a good news perspective, we** 10 **appreciate that you're at least moving towards erasing** 11 **policy uncertainty. We understand and appreciate that** 12 **the advanced numbers are better and that you're trying** 13 **to project into the marketplace, you're going to go** 14 **through the blend wall, and we appreciate that.** 15 **The problem is, as I'm putting on my attorney hat** 16 **here, is that we have a problem structurally with the** 17 **regulation. And any time you set a goal in a Clean Air** 18 **Act regulatory standpoint -- from a Clean Air Act** 19 **regulatory standpoint, from an RFS Clean Air Act** 20 **regulatory standpoint, once you've agreed where you** 21 **want to go, the next most important discussion is under** 22 **what conditions those obligations are waived.** Page 64

1 **And that's, of course, as you know, as the best** 2 **regulators in the world, that's the critical** 3 **discussion. Because at that point, that's where --** 4 **that's where the rub is in the regulation. And what we** 5 **have and when we had this discussion in 2005 and 2007,** 6 **which is instructive for today, we knew that from an** 7 **investment standpoint, we could live with if the** 8 **renewable fuel is too expensive then we don't have to** 9 **use it. And that's severe economic harm.** 10 **We knew that we could live with the second waiver** 11 **provision, which is if there's inadequate domestic** 12 **supply, i.e., not enough of the renewable fuel, we** 13 **could live with that. Because if we didn't produce it,** 14 **of course, you're going to waive it.** 15 **We knew then that what we could not live with was** 16 **what we call distribution waivers. Senator Inhofe** 17 **proposed it in 2005. It was rejected in the final** 18 **bill. It was scratched from the law. It was scratched** 19 **from the law for a very, very, very specific reason,** 20 **and that's because the oil industry controls** 21 **distribution.** 22 **And so that if you send a signal to the**

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1 **marketplace that you really, really wanted to have the** 2 **numbers be bigger and the cellulosic biofuel industry** 3 **be more robust, but simultaneously tell the oil** 4 **industry that every gallon of renewable fuel that they** 5 **avoid from a distribution and sales standpoint will get** 6 **waived from the RFS, and every gallon of renewable fuel** 7 **that you actually voluntarily buy and distribute will** 8 **get mandated for use going forward, the oil industry is** 9 **not stupid. They are not going to sign long-term** 10 **offtake agreements with our industry.** 11 **And when long-term offtake agreements are not** 12 **signed, financing does not flow. And so, we have a** 13 **problem here that we need to fix. EPA is saying we've** 14 **got to fill up the bucket, but EPA has also got a big** 15 **hole in the bottom of the bucket.** 16 **And so, if we can clean up by November the** 17 **problems that you guys have in both the general waiver** 18 **authority bucket and the D3 cellulosic waiver bucket,** 19 **then this RFS will return to where we need it to go** 20 **very, very quickly. If we can't, we're not going to** 21 **see the innovation that EPA wants to see.** 22 **And I appreciate very much the EPA is trying to do Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **that. We can get there. If you look at the industry** 2 **and why that chain reaction of waiver problems is** 3 **happening, it's an unforced error. We have an industry** 4 **that has 15 billion gallons of capacity. You're not** 5 **counting billions of carryover RINs.** 6 **We can get to the statute that would allow you to** 7 **erase the waiver problems that is creating the** 8 **consternation that you're going to see in the room** 9 **today.** 10 **Thank you.** 11 **MS. WEBER: Thank you. Go ahead, Monte.** 12 **MR. SHAW: All right. Monte Shaw with the Iowa** 13 **Renewable Fuels Association.** 14 **First, I want to thank you for holding this** 15 **hearing a little closer to Des Moines, Iowa, than** 16 **Washington, D.C., and I am told that some of the EPA** 17 **staff who are here in Kansas City for the hearing took** 18 **advantage of that to go visit a nearby ethanol** 19 **biorefinery. And for some, it was their first time to** 20 **see one firsthand, and I really hope that did serve to** 21 **demystify the efficiency and environmental stewardship** 22 **of modern ethanol production.**

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1 **But at the same time, I must confess to being** 2 **mystified by EPA's recent RVO proposal, given its also** 3 **recently released analysis of RINs and their impact on** 4 **retail motor fuel cost and their role in incentivizing** 5 **greater access to higher renewable fuel blends of** 6 **ethanol and biodiesel.** 7 **I will focus on this today because much of the** 8 **data in that study and the market observations came** 9 **from our home State of Iowa. The takeaways from EPA's** 10 **OTAQ assessment of RIN market dynamics, prices, and** 11 **effects are clear. First, RINs do not impact overall** 12 **fuel prices.** 13 **Number two, RINs can reduce the wholesale and** 14 **retail cost of fuels with high renewable content, like** 15 **E85 and B20.** 16 **Three, the RIN program provides a market-based** 17 **mechanism to allow compliance flexibility for obligated** 18 **parties.** 19 **Four, the extent -- to the extent that some** 20 **obligated parties are impacted differently, those** 21 **impacts are due to individual business decisions. And** 22 **most importantly, RIN prices are the primary way the** Page 68

1 **RFS program can incentive the increased blending and** 2 **consumption of renewable fuels in the U.S.** 3 **In fact, this EPA analysis concluded, and I'll** 4 **quote, "The RIN market seems to be functioning** 5 **generally as expected, providing an incentive for** 6 **continued growth of renewable fuels in the** 7 **transportation fuel market without causing overall** 8 **increases to the retail price of transportation fuel."** 9 **Now, of course, that conclusion was written based** 10 **on data before the recent RVO proposal was made public.** 11 **The RVO proposal before us today I believe ignores** 12 **each and every one of those conclusions from EPA's own** 13 **internal analysis.** 14 **To justify the RVO proposal, the EPA cited a lack** 15 **of biodiesel -- or excuse me, biofuel distribution** 16 **infrastructure masquerading as a supply shortage. And** 17 **since the proposal was made public, RIN values have** 18 **dropped precipitously. That reduces the incentive** 19 **retailers have for offering those higher blends of** 20 **ethanol and biodiesel, and it increases relative to** 21 **unblended fuels the cost of E85 and other renewable** 22 **fuel blends.**

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1 **The EPA is not responding to an infrastructure** 2 **shortage for higher ethanol blends with this proposal.** 3 **The EPA is creating it. By slashing the RFS, the EPA** 4 **slashes the very incentive to install higher blend** 5 **infrastructure.** 6 **This fundamental flaw in the EPA's understanding** 7 **of the RFS and market dynamics must be addressed and** 8 **corrected if we are ever to achieve the market** 9 **competition goals that Congress outlined when passing** 10 **the RFS.** 11 **So, finally, the bottom line remains clear. There** 12 **is no legal, marketplace, or consumer rationale for** 13 **reducing the conventional biofuel level below the RFS** 14 **statutory requirements. The EPA must enforce the RFS** 15 **as Congress wrote the law.** 16 **Let the RINs do their job. Don't mess with the** 17 **RFS.** 18 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Monte.** 19 **MS. NORTON: Good morning. I'm Lucy Norton with** 20 **the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association, and in my role, I** 21 **work with retailers to increase the blend levels of** 22 **ethanol and biodiesel in their product offerings at Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **convenience stores, as well as cooperatives.** 2 **Since the approval of E15 as a registered fuel,** 3 **the IRFA has focused on making this new fuel widely** 4 **available so Iowans have access to another fuel option** 5 **and the lowest-cost fuel on the market today. Our** 6 **efforts to make it widely available have been met with** 7 **resistance from retailers once they realize they cannot** 8 **sell it year round. Iowa has lost E15 retailers due to** 9 **the summer blending restrictions.** 10 **The other impediment, regardless of how** 11 **enthusiastic a retailer is about E15, are the** 12 **restricted branded oil contracts that outright prohibit** 13 **the sale of E15 or make it so cumbersome or so costly** 14 **that retailers are willing to forego the additional** 15 **revenue they can generate by selling E15.** 16 **Those retailers, though, that have overlooked this** 17 **limited time only availability have had great success,** 18 **and we have seen where E15 has outsold E10 in some** 19 **cases. Retailers who have switched from offering E15** 20 **as a flex fuel only have had dramatic increases in** 21 **sales. We've had retailers whose sales have increased** 22 **by 93 percent when they offer E15 as a registered fuel**

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1 **versus a flex fuel.** 2 **Retailers are seeing E15 capture 27 to 47 percent** 3 **of their total fuel sales. Adding E15 as an option** 4 **increases sales volumes, and it brings in new** 5 **customers.** 6 **Prohibiting the sale of E15 in States like Iowa,** 7 **where we don't have access to low vapor pressure blend** 8 **stock, causes E15 sales to plummet during the summer** 9 **season. As an example, we have a retailer in northern** 10 **Iowa with vigorous E15 sales during the season. When** 11 **summer comes around, those sales drop by over 70** 12 **percent.** 13 **Retailers are losing sales revenue during the** 14 **summer months because they cannot sell E15 as a** 15 **registered fuel. We do have retailers who have had** 16 **great success with E15 when they're allowed to sell it.** 17 **Consumer demand is high. Contrary to the blatantly** 18 **false claims that a blend wall exists, even more** 19 **motorists would buy E15 if it were just available.** 20 **In a recent poll by the Tarrance Group, people** 21 **were asked if they would buy E15 if they owned a 2001** 22 **and newer vehicle and it was cheaper than E10, and 71** Page 72

1 **percent said yes. What was even more eye opening was** 2 **that 76 percent of these respondents said they'd drive** 3 **out of their way to get E15 if it was 5 to 10 cents** 4 **cheaper and not available at their regular station.** 5 **So it's obvious that motorists are more loyal to** 6 **their wallets than they are to any store brand, and** 7 **maybe that's why branded oil companies are doing** 8 **everything they can to make the so-called blend wall** 9 **impenetrable.** 10 **It's obvious motorists want more affordable** 11 **American-produced fuel choices. The oil company** 12 **statements about the inability to blend more ethanol** 13 **are downright false. It can be done.** 14 **The answer to more ethanol blending lies in the** 15 **hands of the EPA. Make the most successful energy** 16 **policy today even more successful by granting** 17 **registered E15 a waiver.** 18 **Thank you.** 19 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Lucy.** 20 **MR. MENKE: I'm Grant Menke with Iowa Renewable** 21 **Fuels Association.** 22 **First, let me state that EPA's proposal for**

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1 **biomass-based diesel volumes under the RFS for 2014 to** 2 **2017 is an improvement over the November 2013 proposal.** 3 **It's a positive that the proposal allows for graduated** 4 **volume increases, but we still believe there is plenty** 5 **of room for improvement.** 6 **Specifically, IRFA urges the EPA to increase its** 7 **biomass-based diesel targets to at least 2 billion** 8 **gallons for 2016 and at least 2.3 gallons -- billion** 9 **gallons, excuse me, for 2017 in the final rule.** 10 **In support of this request, I want to share some** 11 **Iowa-specific data with you today, courtesy of the Iowa** 12 **Department of Revenue, to demonstrate the remarkable** 13 **growth in availability and use of higher biodiesel** 14 **blends in our State over the past few years, data which** 15 **runs contrary to the inaccurate suggestion that there** 16 **are engine warranty limitations on the use of biodiesel** 17 **for the current in-use fleet.** 18 **Since 2010 when RFS2 went into effect, both** 19 **biodiesel production and biodiesel sales in Iowa have** 20 **soared, multiplying by a factor of roughly 4.5.** 21 **Biodiesel production has jumped from 48 million gallons** 22 **in 2010 to 227 million gallons in 2014, while total Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **B100 sales in Iowa have expanded from 7.4 million** 2 **gallons in 2010 to 33.3 million gallons in 2014.** 3 **Even more remarkable is the growth in the average** 4 **blend level of biodiesel-blended gallons sold. In** 5 **2010, the average blend level of biodiesel-blended** 6 **gallons sold in Iowa was 3.1 percent. By 2014, the** 7 **average blend level had more than tripled to 9.4** 8 **percent.** 9 **Think about that. Of all biodiesel-blended** 10 **gallons sold in Iowa in 2014, the average blend level** 11 **was a B9.4. Now I'm not a mathematician, but you** 12 **simply can't get to B9.4 without selling a significant** 13 **amount of B10 and B20.** 14 **If there was ever any question on whether blends** 15 **above B5 can be sold year round, Iowa's record of** 16 **success should put that argument to rest. And the fact** 17 **that Iowa drivers haven't had any issues using these** 18 **increasingly higher blends of biodiesel, even in the** 19 **cold winter months, really shouldn't come as any** 20 **surprise, especially considering that more than 75** 21 **percent of diesel engine and vehicle manufacturers** 22 **approve the use of up to B20.**

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1 **If higher biodiesel blends can be successfully** 2 **utilized in Iowa, as well as other cold weather States** 3 **such as Minnesota and Illinois, then there is no reason** 4 **that this model cannot be replicated nationwide with** 5 **the right policy framework in place.** 6 **As stated above, Iowa has been a case study on the** 7 **success of higher biodiesel blends. The remarkable** 8 **growth in the availability and use of higher biodiesel** 9 **blends in Iowa since the implementation of RFS2 is just** 10 **one of many compelling reasons the EPA can and should** 11 **increase its proposed biomass-based diesel volumes for** 12 **2016 and 2017 to at least 2 billion and 2.3 billion** 13 **gallons, respectively.** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Grant.** 16 **Any questions?** 17 **(No response.)** 18 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you to Panel 6.** 19 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Okay. As the next panel makes** 20 **its way, just a reminder, we do have our timer there.** 21 **Please be cognizant of that.** 22 **I'll ask the next panel, Panel 10 representatives,** Page 76

1 **to please move over to the staging area over there on** 2 **your right. Gene Youngquist, Jim Leiting, Ray** 3 **Defenbaugh, Charlie Good, Sally Stricker, and Tim** 4 **Columbus.** 5 **MS. WEBER: All right. Panel 8. Scott, do you** 6 **want to get it started?** 7 **MR. AVERHOFF: My name is Scott Averhoff, and I'm** 8 **speaking against the proposed renewable fuel volumes** 9 **for calendar year 2014, '15, and '16.** 10 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.** 11 **I'm a corn, cotton, wheat, and sorghum farmer from** 12 **Waxahachie, Texas, which is just south of the Dallas** 13 **Fort Worth metroplex. I currently serve on the board** 14 **of the Corn Producers Association of Texas and am** 15 **speaking on behalf of our association's membership and** 16 **myself.** 17 **The State of Texas has four operating ethanol** 18 **plants, which produce ethanol at a nameplate capacity** 19 **of 390 million gallons. While my State may not be** 20 **among the largest ethanol producers, we are amongst the** 21 **largest ethanol users of the product. In 2014, Texas** 22 **consumed 1.2 billion gallons of ethanol, approximately**

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1 **9 percent of the domestic consumption.** 2 **This doesn't take into account the considerable** 3 **amount of ethanol's co-product, distillers grains, used** 4 **in Texas feedlots and dairies.** 5 **Living in a nonattainment area, I can appreciate** 6 **that ethanol lowers the level of toxic emissions in** 7 **vehicle exhaust gas compared to gasoline. Energy** 8 **experts estimated global ethanol use to reduce** 9 **greenhouse gas emissions by 100 million metric tons in** 10 **2012, equivalent to taking 20.2 million vehicles off** 11 **the road.** 12 **The EPA should not halt progress made to reduce** 13 **air pollution, improve human health, and reduce** 14 **greenhouse gas emissions by moving forward with this** 15 **proposal. Despite increases in the amount of coarse** 16 **grains used for ethanol over the years, the amount of** 17 **land dedicated to such crops, including corn, has** 18 **actually decreased 6.9 percent globally from 1980 to** 19 **2013.** 20 **Farmers in Texas plant approximately 2 million** 21 **acres of corn each year and have done so since before** 22 **the RFS. The agriculture industry has been able to Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **meet the rising demands of all uses primarily by** 2 **increasing the crops' yields through advancements in** 3 **technology and management practices.** 4 **In this regard, it is important to also note that** 5 **the same bushel of corn used to make this fuel is also** 6 **making distillers grains, a high-protein feed for** 7 **livestock. Disrupting demand for corn used for ethanol** 8 **as put forth by your proposal would have a rippling** 9 **effect to the agricultural commodities market that will** 10 **impact more than just corn farmers.** 11 **Lessening the demand in the ethanol market for** 12 **corn will cause farmers to plant alternative crops, in** 13 **turn increasing those crops' production and decreasing** 14 **their price. This not only impacts farmers, but** 15 **taxpayers as well through increased layouts of** 16 **commodity and crop insurance programs.** 17 **Since the beginning -- since the inception of the** 18 **RFS, American corn farmers have risen to the challenge** 19 **of increasing our production to meet the demand for** 20 **this renewable fuel while still providing for existing** 21 **markets and maintaining a surplus. U.S. consumers have** 22 **benefited by having a clean-burning, domestically**

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1 **produced fuel.** 2 **The EPA should not turn its back on Americans and** 3 **halt the progress toward cleaner air and access to** 4 **renewable fuel resources. The proposal put forth by** 5 **your agency would be detrimental to our nation. I urge** 6 **the EPA to restore the renewable volume obligations for** 7 **each year to the statutory amount and maintain a strong** 8 **methodology.** 9 **Thank you.** 10 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Scott. Wesley?** 11 **MR. SPURLOCK: Good morning. My name is Wesley** 12 **Spurlock, and I'm from Stratford, Texas, in the Texas** 13 **Panhandle. And I currently serve as a director on the** 14 **Corn Producers Association of Texas and am speaking for** 15 **our association's membership. And I'm speaking against** 16 **the proposed volumes that have been placed for '14,** 17 **'15, and '16.** 18 **While the oil and gas industry may play a** 19 **prominent role in the Texas economy, the ethanol and** 20 **renewable fuels are important not only to myself and** 21 **the growers, but also to our State's economy as a** 22 **whole. The renewable fuels sector generates $12.6** Page 80

1 **billion total economic output in Texas. This sector** 2 **also has 53,000 jobs that it touches and works with and** 3 **has salaries of $2.9 billion per year. It also pays** 4 **$563 million in Federal taxes.** 5 **From an environmental standpoint, it could be** 6 **argued that no one has a greater stake in looking out** 7 **and caring for the natural resources than the farmers.** 8 **I'm a fourth-generation farmer. The fifth and sixth** 9 **generations of our family work on the farm at this** 10 **time, and the seventh generation is playing in the** 11 **dirt.** 12 **I can only do -- and this legacy of our family, we** 13 **cherish, and we want to continue this and go down this** 14 **path for future generations. I can only do this by** 15 **preserving our family's land and natural resources.** 16 **By implementing better management strategies and** 17 **new technologies, I can produce the same bushel of corn** 18 **my father did for half of the water, and that's 53** 19 **percent decrease in what we've done in the past. Land** 20 **use, 30 percent less. Soil erosion is 67 percent less.** 21 **And energy use on our farms is 43 percent less than a** 22 **few years ago. Our greenhouse gas emissions are 36**

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1 **percent less.** 2 **However, as I look at the overall sustainability** 3 **of my farm, I must consider the economics. As a** 4 **businessman, this has been tricky in recent months as** 5 **the corn prices drop below the cost of production.** 6 **Your agency's proposal will displace 1.5 billion** 7 **bushels of corn. This action will negatively impact** 8 **the price of corn and drive it further below the cost** 9 **of production.** 10 **These implications reach beyond the farmers'** 11 **wallets and can easily increase Government outlays and** 12 **risk management. However, I think everyone in this** 13 **room can agree that we don't want that.** 14 **Texas is the second-largest agricultural State due** 15 **to the crop production and also the vast livestock** 16 **industry. Many Texas farmers are both crop and** 17 **livestock producers. With this diverse background, I** 18 **can appreciate the importance of the ethanol market to** 19 **the agricultural industry as a whole. Even with the** 20 **growing demand for corn for ethanol, livestock feed** 21 **remains the largest use for U.S. corn.** 22 **While our nation's farmers have continued to meet Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **the demands for feed in the ethanol industry, this** 2 **introduced an arguably equal amount of feed coming back** 3 **from the ethanol industry into the livestock industry** 4 **with our distillers grains. The availability of** 5 **distillers grains places approximately --** 6 **MS. WEBER: Sir, please conclude your comments.** 7 **MR. SPURLOCK: -- 1 billion bushels of corn in the** 8 **livestock rations, providing an efficient, high** 9 **quality, and high-value feed product for livestock** 10 **domestically and internationally. As such, the effect** 11 **of ethanol on the cost of feeding livestock is minimal,** 12 **and this is evident with the current prices of corn.** 13 **The renewable fuel standard is an entirely -- is** 14 **entirely is an invaluable program for the nation and** 15 **the economics and the environmental standpoint. The** 16 **RFS pushes our nation to meet and exceed standards that** 17 **will make America the ideal environment to live in** 18 **while encouraging positive domestic economic growth.** 19 **The proposal put forth by the EPA this year is a** 20 **huge step backwards from all programs and everything it** 21 **has gained since the inception of the RFS. I urge the** 22 **EPA to restore the renewable volume obligations for**

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1 **each year to the statutory amount.** 2 **Thank you.** 3 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Wesley. Go ahead.** 4 **MR. HARTMAN: My name is Kenneth Hartman,** 5 **president of the Illinois Corn Growers Association.** 6 **I farm with my family near Waterloo, Illinois,** 7 **which is 25 miles southeast of St. Louis. My wife and** 8 **I have three daughters, one attending Kansas State** 9 **University and two in high school still living at home,** 10 **helping us on the farm. My middle daughter was just** 11 **elected to the Illinois FFA Section 22 president.** 12 **My family has been involved in agriculture all our** 13 **lives, participating in Farm Bureau, 4-H, FFA, Gateway** 14 **FS Cooperative, as naming a few. I'd like to think** 15 **there are many opportunities ahead for my family,** 16 **should they want to come back on the farm.** 17 **My family raised -- milked registered Holsteins,** 18 **grew corn, soybeans, alfalfa, hay, and wheat. We no** 19 **longer have our dairy, but we have two ethanol plants** 20 **within 45 miles of our farm, creating another source of** 21 **demand for our crops.** 22 **Eighteen months ago, on December 5, 2013, I** Page 84

1 **participated in a similar hearing. Now 18 months** 2 **later, you are proposing to reduce the volume numbers** 3 **for 2014 from 14.4 billion gallons down to 13.25** 4 **billion gallons. And for 2015, down from a statutory** 5 **number of 15 billion gallons of conventional ethanol,** 6 **down to 13.4. The proposed volume for 2016 is 14** 7 **billion instead of 15 billion gallons.** 8 **Illinois farmers are still wondering what are you** 9 **thinking, and where is the authority? The facts are** 10 **that we produced 14.1 billion gallons of conventional** 11 **ethanol in 2013 right after a 100-year drought, which** 12 **was above the statutory requirement of 13.8 billion** 13 **gallons for 2013 established by Congress. This was 1** 14 **billion gallons more than what you proposed for 2014.** 15 **Where is the logic in this statement?** 16 **In 2015, we are expected to produce over 14.4** 17 **billion gallons, which, again, is 1 billion gallons** 18 **more than your proposal for 2015. Currently, the** 19 **production capacity of the current ethanol industry is** 20 **15.7 billion gallons, well above the RFS standard** 21 **limits on the conventional ethanol.** 22 **In the crop year following my testimony of**

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1 **December 5, 2013, U.S. corn farmers grew a record crop** 2 **of over 14.2 billion bushels of corn, with an expected** 3 **carryout of 1.95 billion bushels. We are on pace in** 4 **2015 to grow another exceptional crop.** 5 **Your proposal for 2015 is sending an illogical** 6 **signal to the market that according to U.S. EPA, we** 7 **don't have -- we don't need 350 million bushels of corn** 8 **for the 1 billion gallons of ethanol, and you're also** 9 **signaling that the oil industry does not need to comply** 10 **with the original statute.** 11 **When this proposal was announced, the price of** 12 **RINs dropped, and what happened to the E85 price? Some** 13 **of our more aggressive marketers had to raise their** 14 **price for E85 fuel, which did what? It reduced the** 15 **sale of E85.** 16 **You have violated the intent of Congress and the** 17 **RFS2 by protecting oil monopoly on the gasoline market** 18 **by reducing the volume numbers of fuel that is cheaper,** 19 **cleaner, and more valuable. EPA is definitely not** 20 **picking -- EPA is definitely picking a winner, siding** 21 **in with big oil as the winner over farmers and** 22 **consumers. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Thank you.** 2 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: I just want to remind our** 3 **panelists, please be cognizant of the time. We have a** 4 **lot of people to get through. So we appreciate you are** 5 **respectful for that.** 6 **Thank you.** 7 **MR. JARBOE I'll speak quickly. My name is Jeff** 8 **Jarboe. I'm a farmer from Loda, Illinois, and I farm** 9 **corn and soybeans with my wife and my family. I serve** 10 **on the Illinois Corn Growers Association as a vice** 11 **president, and I am the immediate past chairman of the** 12 **Illinois Council on Best Management Practices.** 13 **The Illinois Corn Growers Association opposes the** 14 **administration's proposed conventional biofuels volume** 15 **numbers for 2014, '15, and '16. We suggest that there** 16 **is adequate supply of corn feedstocks and conventional** 17 **ethanol to fulfill the RFS2 requirements for** 18 **conventional biofuels for the 2014, '15, '16 years.** 19 **If this rule is finalized, as proposed, we believe** 20 **it violates the statutory responsibility of the U.S.** 21 **EPA and the intent of Congress. The argument that** 22 **there is not an adequate supply of corn-based ethanol**

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1 **based on lack of infrastructure for higher blends is** 2 **simply not true. The U.S. EPA and the administration** 3 **have chosen to give the obligated parties a waiver to** 4 **the rule and statutes. By doing so, they're making** 5 **farmers and consumers the losers, saddling us with this** 6 **proposal.** 7 **Ultimately, the EPA is walking away from its core** 8 **mission, which is to protect the environment within the** 9 **parameters established by Congress. Prior to your** 10 **agency's recent interference, the RFS standard has been** 11 **a model of resounding success for the environment.** 12 **Additionally, it has provided benefits to** 13 **consumers, national energy security interests, and** 14 **rural economies. It's also reduced our dependence on** 15 **foreign oil. This was the vision that Congress had** 16 **when they passed the second renewable fuel standard in** 17 **2007.** 18 **Based on the intent of Congress and the law, the** 19 **ethanol industry has invested and constructed** 20 **production capacity to over 15 billion gallons to meet** 21 **the requirements of conventional biofuels for 2015 and** 22 **2016. Little did the ethanol plants know that this** Page 88

1 **investment may sit idle so the petroleum industry would** 2 **not have to sell more E85 or E15 to more than 85** 3 **percent of the vehicles currently capable of using the** 4 **fuel.** 5 **Based on the proposed RVO numbers for 2014, '15,** 6 **and '16, I expect that the other feedstock technologies** 7 **will be more hesitant in making the investments in** 8 **future capacity. Additionally, based on the** 9 **congressional intent and the law, corn farmers across** 10 **our nation stepped up, invested in new genetics and** 11 **traits, enhanced our sustainability, improved on-farm** 12 **infrastructure, and delivered the corn crop that we** 13 **said we could for the purposes of enhancing our** 14 **nation's air quality and improving lives.** 15 **We delivered our part of the bargain. It's time** 16 **you delivered yours. Congress provided the tools for a** 17 **successful biofuels policy. All you have to do is to** 18 **implement the RFS2 requirements in the law and move the** 19 **volume numbers for 2015 and '16 to 15 billion gallons,** 20 **as passed by Congress.** 21 **I respectfully submit these comments today in full** 22 **expectation they be considered thoughtfully and with**

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1 **due credit along with the hundreds of other biofuel** 2 **supporters who have shown up in Kansas City today.** 3 **Thank you very much.** 4 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 5 **MR. ANDERSON: Good morning. My name is Wayne** 6 **Anderson, and I am a grain farmer from Geneseo,** 7 **Illinois. I serve as a director on the Illinois Farm** 8 **Bureau, representing a five-county region in and around** 9 **the Quad Cities. I also serve as an interlocking** 10 **director for the Illinois Corn Growers Association.** 11 **I am here this morning representing myself, my** 12 **State and county farm bureaus, and my many friends and** 13 **neighbors who benefit directly and indirectly from the** 14 **strong renewable fuel standard.** 15 **Early on, I recognized potential that renewable** 16 **fuels had to chew up enormous piles of corn that were** 17 **sitting outside of every country elevator. These piles** 18 **were a visible indicator of some of the lowest real** 19 **prices of corn over the past century.** 20 **So I took a risk and bought into ethanol's** 21 **potential, investing my money in Algona, Iowa, ethanol** 22 **plant. I was a strong advocate 10 years ago for the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **first renewable fuel standard and 2 years later for the** 2 **RFS2.** 3 **The energy policy worked. The market for ethanol** 4 **expanded. Corn prices began their steady rise and** 5 **finally topped the magic $3 mark. Yeah, it's hard to** 6 **imagine a time when $3 corn was considered bullish.** 7 **Today, I'm fortunate to live and farm 15 minutes** 8 **away from a CHS ethanol plant in Annawan and just 25** 9 **minutes away from Big River Resources in Galva. The** 10 **two plants in my county have a combined annual** 11 **production capacity of 240 million gallons.** 12 **I supply corn to both of these plants. These** 13 **plants are getting more efficient. The CHS plant will** 14 **soon convert corn oil into biodiesel, and they began a** 15 **year ago capturing the steam to produce 30 percent** 16 **electricity that they use in their plant.** 17 **Not only have these plants created construction** 18 **jobs, full-time jobs, steady markets for me and my** 19 **neighbors, they have lifted the Henry County economy.** 20 **They have generated tens of millions of dollars worth** 21 **of economic activity. Stores which probably would have** 22 **closed are still open.**

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1 **And how did it happen? It happened because** 2 **Congress took a bold step when our country recognized a** 3 **need to rely more on domestically produced,** 4 **environmentally friendly bio-based fuels.** 5 **Ethanol and biofuels are fulfilling that promise.** 6 **Advanced biofuels are no longer 10 years away. They** 7 **are a reality. Now those of you who write the rules** 8 **and determine the RVOs for the next year, this year and** 9 **the next year have the legal obligation to keep your** 10 **promise to Congress and to the American people and to** 11 **blend a significantly higher renewable fuel into the** 12 **proposal.** 13 **Congress set the standard. EPA must meet it** 14 **without making excuses, without rewriting the law,** 15 **because Henry County, Illinois, depends upon it.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 18 **MR. NIELSEN: Good morning. I'm Adam Nielsen.** 19 **I'm the national legislative director for Illinois Farm** 20 **Bureau, providing testimony on behalf of our 80,000** 21 **farmer members and for our president Rich Guebert, who** 22 **was unable to make it today. He's planting soybeans.** Page 92

1 **I'd like to begin by stating that while Illinois** 2 **Farm Bureau strongly opposes the agency's proposed RVOs** 3 **for this year and next, that compared to the last** 4 **proposal, at least you are proposing to place renewable** 5 **fuel volumes on a slightly upward trajectory.** 6 **Based on the feedback you received, you must have** 7 **recognized your November 2013 proposed rule amounted to** 8 **a monumental slap in the face to the industry and to** 9 **people like Wayne and Ken and Jeff, and many of the** 10 **other farmers here in the room. Although we have our** 11 **doubts, we hope the 2-year cloud of uncertainty created** 12 **by the agency that hangs over the industry and would-be** 13 **investors will, in fact, be partially lifted in** 14 **November.** 15 **We appreciate your attempts to more accurately** 16 **account this time around for the amount of motor fuel** 17 **actually being consumed in the United States, and we** 18 **hope that's a number that you will continue to monitor** 19 **until the day the rule becomes final. Bottom line is** 20 **we think there is room for a much steeper trajectory** 21 **for the RVOs, and we urge you to find it.** 22 **After listening to us and to our adversaries**

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1 **today, it might feel like you have found a policy sweet** 2 **spot. But the fact of the matter is that over time EPA** 3 **has clearly taken the teeth out of the RFS. By** 4 **redefining "inadequate supply," you have made it up as** 5 **you've gone along and in doing so thumbed your nose at** 6 **congressional intent and rendered the law meaningless.** 7 **It all seems so arbitrary.** 8 **As an organization that pushed hard to pass the** 9 **RFS2, we urge you to find a way to reverse the damage** 10 **you've done. It's not too late.** 11 **Finally, we feel obligated to point out that EPA's** 12 **disappointing lack of enthusiasm for biofuels is wildly** 13 **inconsistent for an agency and administration that has** 14 **been willing to pull out all the stops to pursue a** 15 **vigorous climate change agenda. It's incomprehensible** 16 **that an agency and administration so single-minded** 17 **fails to recognize and take full advantage of the** 18 **scientifically proven GHG reduction contributions of** 19 **corn-based ethanol, biodiesel, and next-generation** 20 **renewable fuels.** 21 **If addressing climate change is your goal, please** 22 **recognize we are part of the solution. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Thank you.** 2 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Adam.** 3 **Any questions?** 4 **(No response.)** 5 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you to the panel.** 6 **Thanks for your travels from Texas and Illinois.** 7 **All right. Panel 10, please proceed to the front.** 8 **Do you want to call the next panel?** 9 **(Pause.)** 10 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: For our next panel, we're going** 11 **to have Senator Curt Friesen from Nebraska, Senator** 12 **Whitney Westerfield from Kentucky, and also Director** 13 **David Bracht from Nebraska Energy Office.** 14 **MS. WEBER: Go ahead. Thank you.** 15 **MR. GOOD: I'm Charlie Good from Nevada, Iowa.** 16 **I'm a retailer here representing myself.** 17 **And the ethanol fuels industry, for me, I'm just** 18 **completing my second year. Ninety-two percent of my** 19 **total sales were ethanol based. With the addition of** 20 **E15 to E85, I increased my sales the first year by 18** 21 **percent. This year, I am up another 7.5 percent, and** 22 **that is even with the waiver in place where I cannot**

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1 **sell it as a registered fuel through the summer driving** 2 **season.** 3 **I'm a small independent with two major chains,** 4 **with four stores against me, and I continue to increase** 5 **my sales because I have something to offer that they** 6 **don't. The other thing is this 10 percent blend wall** 7 **that the oil companies have dreamed up, if that's** 8 **correct, I wouldn't have increased by 18 percent, and I** 9 **wouldn't be increasing by another 7.5 this year.** 10 **The RFS, the decrease in the RFS will cause -- in** 11 **our area we've already seen a lack of investment by** 12 **major corporations that are willing to put into the** 13 **renewable fuels industry. As a retailer, I also have** 14 **an auto repair business. I'm an ASE-certified auto** 15 **tech. These are the same motors that have been tested** 16 **by your Government agency that could use E15 and higher** 17 **blends.** 18 **And when the Department of Energy calls me and** 19 **says how come more people aren't using E15? Well, the** 20 **answer is very simple. It's because you're not letting** 21 **us with these rules and regulations that we can't sell** 22 **during the driving season, that this will somehow hurt** Page 96

1 **the warranties of the vehicles.** 2 **And the Government has tested these vehicles, and** 3 **these are the same vehicles that are being used in** 4 **Brazil right now that's getting ready to raise its** 5 **ethanol content to 27 percent. So that when the big** 6 **oil companies and the car manufacturers are sitting** 7 **here with stock investments, they're not going to let** 8 **us get into this market.** 9 **Clean air technology, direct injection technology** 10 **on the new motors is more suited for ethanol-blend** 11 **fuels than regular blend. And as a small retailer,** 12 **it's helped me bring in business.** 13 **I've learned a lot about the industry and stuff,** 14 **but the one thing that I do know is that the American** 15 **people have stock in the American farmer and the** 16 **American economy and the American security. And when** 17 **you continue to want to send money overseas when we** 18 **could make the fuels right here, it's something that** 19 **the American public doesn't understand.** 20 **And 20 years ago, we were told we were going to be** 21 **out of fuel and we needed to do something different.** 22 **So we did, and now we're being penalized for it.**

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1 **Thank you.** 2 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Charlie.** 3 **MR. YOUNGQUIST: Good morning. My name is Gene** 4 **Youngquist, and I'm a fourth-generation farmer from** 5 **Cameron, Illinois. I presently serve on the board of** 6 **directors of Big River Resources, LLC.** 7 **When I retired from farming 15 years ago, my three** 8 **sons who were involved in our family farm, and we made** 9 **the decision to diversify our livestock, grain, and** 10 **seed corn production by investing in ethanol. I joined** 11 **15 other producers from Iowa and Illinois in developing** 12 **a new generation co-op whose main offices are in West** 13 **Burlington, Iowa.** 14 **The co-op made a major decision to build a 40** 15 **million gallon ethanol plant. We were successful in** 16 **raising over 55 percent of the construction cost by** 17 **convincing over 500 corn producers that processing** 18 **ethanol from abundant corn supplies was the answer for** 19 **adding jobs to our shrinking rural communities while at** 20 **the same time increasing feed supplies with DDGs for** 21 **the livestock producer.** 22 **Also, ethanol is a high-octane renewable fuel to Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **be used as an option to stretch our shrinking fossil** 2 **fuel supply and to balance our imports by reducing our** 3 **demand for Middle East crude oil. The decision by the** 4 **EPA to reduce the goals set by our legislators that** 5 **would have gradually expanded the production of a** 6 **proven and successful industry is not only a punch** 7 **below the belt but is considered illegal by a majority** 8 **of Midwestern voters.** 9 **If the EPA does not honor the intent of the** 10 **legislation, many jobs will be lost, and family farm** 11 **investors will lose their investment and investment** 12 **income. It will destroy the economic advantages that** 13 **rural communities have developed from the many** 14 **individual businesses and contractors serving the** 15 **ethanol plants.** 16 **Earlier, I mentioned Big River Resources started** 17 **with an ethanol plant producing 40 million gallons of** 18 **ethanol a year. That was in 2004. We now have 4** 19 **production plants which employ over 240 people.** 20 **These 4 plants annually produce the following:** 21 **approximately 400 million gallon of ethanol, 11.6** 22 **million gallon of nonfood oil, and 1.1 million tons of**

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1 **dried distillers grain, which is a co-product produced** 2 **from the production of ethanol and is used as a high** 3 **protein livestock feed.** 4 **Big River Resources also has 6 elevator facilities** 5 **in 3 counties, which provide 15 million bushels of** 6 **grain storage for our producers. Big River has made a** 7 **huge impact with economic development in our rural** 8 **communities.** 9 **Please consider carefully the information I have** 10 **presented, as our rural communities need the ethanol** 11 **industry.** 12 **Thank you.** 13 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 14 **MR. LEITING: Good morning. My name is Jim** 15 **Leiting. I am the chief operating officer for Big** 16 **River Resources, which, as Gene has explained, is a** 17 **locally owned ethanol producer in Iowa, Illinois, and** 18 **Wisconsin. I'm here to testify on the inequity of the** 19 **proposed renewable volume obligation levels.** 20 **The renewable fuel standard was developed and** 21 **passed into law by Congress to provide market access** 22 **for renewable fuels. That market is controlled mainly** Page 100

1 **by the oil industry, with over 50 percent of the retail** 2 **fuel stations. In order to access that market, they** 3 **need the obligation to provide the higher blends for** 4 **what the standard allows.** 5 **Additionally, the standard was set to reduce our** 6 **nation's dependence on foreign oil. We all remember $4** 7 **gas in 2008 when oil was $140 a barrel. Today, it is** 8 **$60 a barrel.** 9 **Reduce the cost of fuel to the consumer. The** 10 **benefit today, the consumer enjoys $1.50 savings on** 11 **gasoline from the peak.** 12 **Improve the environment with clean air from** 13 **oxygenated fuels. Ethanol provides that oxygen to the** 14 **fuels.** 15 **Provide lower carbon intensity fuels. Ethanol is** 16 **20 percent less in carbon intensity. So we reduce** 17 **greenhouse gases in our environment.** 18 **And provide the incentive to invest and develop a** 19 **domestic fuel industry, providing economic benefits of** 20 **value-added products and jobs throughout the Midwest** 21 **and the nation. As Gene has indicated here today, that** 22 **has happened.**

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1 **The renewable fuel standard has been the most** 2 **successful program passed by Congress into law in** 3 **decades. The proposed renewable volume obligations** 4 **defeat the intended purpose of the renewable fuel** 5 **standard and threatens those benefits that have** 6 **achieved success by this program.** 7 **I request the EPA reconsider the proposed levels** 8 **of renewable volume obligations to reinstate the** 9 **program as Congress had intended and allow our** 10 **industry, our communities to continue to flourish.** 11 **Thank you.** 12 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Jim.** 13 **MR. DEFENBAUGH: Good morning. I'm Ray** 14 **Defenbaugh, president and CEO, chairman of the board of** 15 **Big River Resources and also a board member of Absolute** 16 **Energy. And I'm here to urge you to keep the RFS on** 17 **track and to restore the renewable fuel obligations.** 18 **And I am opposed to the EPA proposals for a number of** 19 **reasons.** 20 **Big River, a 400 million gallon plant, 4 different** 21 **companies. I'm a member also of the Urban Air** 22 **Initiative. I'm a banker, chairman of the board of a Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **$400 million bank, and it concerns me as to the effect** 2 **it'll have in our rural customer base. It'll be a** 3 **negative effect.** 4 **I'm chairman of Priming the Pump. I'm a member of** 5 **the Grains Council, and I am a farmer. So we are** 6 **dependent somewhat on foreign oil, have been a little** 7 **less now as a result of our renewable fuels.** 8 **I've taught in Russia and Moldova, and I've seen** 9 **what poor government policy can do. And if we are** 10 **dependent on other countries for our energy and if we** 11 **destroy agriculture such as other countries have done -** 12 **- and I've seen this in the Ukraine, and I've seen it** 13 **in Moldova, and I've seen it in Russia as well. If we** 14 **destroy agriculture and are dependent on other nations** 15 **for our food, we won't get that back.** 16 **They haven't got it back, and we won't, and it'll** 17 **bring this country to their knees. And I don't think** 18 **that's a situation we want to get into.** 19 **I think if this proposal is put into effect, it'll** 20 **raise gasoline prices between 4 and 6 cents.** 21 **Consumption will increase. Ethanol sales will fall by** 22 **2.6 billion gallons. Greenhouse gases will increase by**

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1 **10 million metric tons, and it'll be a $22 billion** 2 **windfall for an oil industry. I don't think that's** 3 **something that the Government should be doing.** 4 **EPA's proposal for 2014, 2015, and 2016 RVOs takes** 5 **the RFS program backward. It violates the law, and** 6 **we've got over 2 million people in prison for violating** 7 **the law. And I don't know why EPA thinks they can** 8 **violate the law. It's proposing that inadequate** 9 **domestic supply is necessary, and I don't think that's** 10 **a problem.** 11 **The EPA's proposal rewards bad behavior by the** 12 **obligated parties. The proposal damages the RIN** 13 **mechanism and reduces incentives to invest in renewable** 14 **fuel infrastructure, and it denies the fact that the** 15 **blend wall can be overcome.** 16 **EPA's proposal discourages investment in the next** 17 **generation of biofuels. And with that, I conclude my** 18 **remarks by repeating keep the RFS on track.** 19 **Thank you.** 20 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Ray. Sally?** 21 **MS. STRICKER: Hi. My name is Sally Stricker, and** 22 **I work at Joe's Auto Service in Portland, Michigan. As** Page 104

1 **you consider the future of the renewable fuel standard,** 2 **I'd like to share with you a personal story.** 3 **I work about 28 miles from my home, and in 2010, I** 4 **decided to purchase a brand-new Ford Fusion for my 50th** 5 **birthday. I wanted something I liked, something I** 6 **could depend on, and something that was good on gas** 7 **mileage, especially since the economy was not doing** 8 **well and I drive more than 28 miles a day to work.** 9 **At that time, gas cost me over $200 a month just** 10 **to drive to work. And for a single mom, that's getting** 11 **pretty tough.** 12 **One day in the fall of 2013, one of my customers** 13 **came in and he was talking about the carbon green** 14 **bioenergy and this yellow hose campaign, which promotes** 15 **savings from the E85 gas. To be honest, I never** 16 **thought I could use E85 because I didn't really know** 17 **what it was.** 18 **After the customer left, I asked my boss. I said,** 19 **"So what is he talking about?" My boss looked at me** 20 **and said, "You mean you don't use that? You have that** 21 **little emblem on your car. You can use that."** 22 **So Joe filled in me in on just how much money I**

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1 **could save driving in to work using E85 gas and how it** 2 **wouldn't hurt my car. He was right. Today, I fill up** 3 **with E85 every time, and it's saving me more than $80 a** 4 **month. Let me tell you, being a single mom, that's a** 5 **lot of money.** 6 **I am lucky that the gas station a mile and a** 7 **quarter down the road from me, they carry it. I went** 8 **in there and personally thank the manager, Wesley, all** 9 **the time just for carrying that. So convenient.** 10 **I do lose gas mileage, but saving 70 cents a** 11 **gallon still gets money in my pocketbook. Today, I** 12 **have a yellow hose sign in front of my desk. People** 13 **come in all the time. They're so uninformed and** 14 **unaware of what it really is, and they get excited just** 15 **talking about it.** 16 **I tell everyone I can about the opportunity to use** 17 **E85. It's amazing just how many people don't know.** 18 **I appreciate the chance to tell my story today. I** 19 **wanted to let you know what a big difference it's** 20 **really played in my life.** 21 **Thank you.** 22 **MS. WEBER: Thanks, Sally. Thanks for sharing. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **MR. COLUMBUS: All right. Good morning, members** 2 **of the panel. My name is Tim Columbus. I'm partner at** 3 **Steptoe & Johnson in Washington. I appear today on** 4 **behalf of our client, the Society of Independent** 5 **Gasoline Marketers of America.** 6 **Earlier this morning, I filed at the registration** 7 **area a much more substantial statement, which I ask be** 8 **included as a part of the record, and the National** 9 **Association of Convenience Stores joins that statement.** 10 **SIGMA's approximately 265 members across the** 11 **country sell something over 40 percent of the retail** 12 **fuels consumed in the United States. While they are** 13 **generally supportive of the RFS, SIGMA believes two** 14 **things.** 15 **Number one, there is a blend wall, i.e., there's a** 16 **limit on how much biofuels the market can and will** 17 **absorb. Number two, breaching that blend wall would** 18 **generate terribly negative economic consequences for** 19 **the country.** 20 **I think I'm the third person today who's looked up** 21 **and said we support the adoption of the proposal as** 22 **proposed, and I'll explain why. We believe that it**

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1 **strikes a reasonable balance to require more biofuels** 2 **be introduced into the fuel pool while not reaching the** 3 **blend wall. However, I will tell because we're in** 4 **Kansas City and I'm a fan of Rodgers and Hammerstein,** 5 **we think you've gone about as far as you can go right** 6 **now.** 7 **There are two things you need to understand up** 8 **front. Number one, obligated parties for the most part** 9 **in this country do not control the flow of fuel to the** 10 **consumer. Obligated parties, most people think of as** 11 **the integrated oil companies, you know, control and** 12 **operate less than 4 percent of the retail outlets in** 13 **the United States. Ninety-six percent plus of the** 14 **retail outlets in the United States are controlled by** 15 **independent marketers and independent dealers.** 16 **The second thing is that "build it, and they will** 17 **come" only worked once. It was in a movie. It was** 18 **Kevin Costner. And I'm telling you supply will be** 19 **pulled by demand. If, in fact, consumers come in and** 20 **demand higher blends of ethanol, then something will** 21 **happen that will generate higher-blended fuels in the** 22 **market.** Page 108

1 **However, it is also very important that you** 2 **understand that there is a limit to retailers' ability** 3 **to sell products containing more than 10 percent** 4 **ethanol with the existing infrastructure. There are** 5 **legal constraints, including regulations under the** 6 **Occupation Safety and Health Act, State laws, and local** 7 **laws.** 8 **Recently, in an NRL study, NRL diminished this as** 9 **a concern saying, well, there's lots of compatible** 10 **equipment. My friends, it is not -- compatibility is** 11 **essential. It is not sufficient.** 12 **A retailer is obligated to know as a matter of law** 13 **what equipment is being employed underground. That's** 14 **not just the tanks. That's the pipe dope. That's the** 15 **couplings.** 16 **Since 1990, well over 40 percent of the retail** 17 **outlets in the United States have changed hands. Many** 18 **people who are operating retail outlets do not know** 19 **exactly what they have underground every day.** 20 **Now if you are selling more than E10 and you don't** 21 **know that your equipment is compatible, you are** 22 **violating not only OSHA. You are violating EPA's**

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1 **recently, like Monday, promulgated underground storage** 2 **tank rules.** 3 **In conclusion, SIGMA believes that EPA has done** 4 **the best it can under tough circumstances in striking a** 5 **balance between its statutory objective and market** 6 **realities. And I'm happy to respond to any questions** 7 **that my testimony may have raised.** 8 **I urge you to adopt these standards promptly to** 9 **return some certainty to our market. Thank you very** 10 **much.** 11 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Tim.** 12 **Any questions?** 13 **(No response.)** 14 **MS. WEBER: No? Thank you to the panel.** 15 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Our next panel, please join us.** 16 **And I'll also call Panel 12 over to the staging area.** 17 **Christopher Standlee, Kirk Spikes, Tom Robb, David** 18 **Cox, Brenda Heffelfinger, and Joe Regnery.** 19 **MR. FRIESEN: Good morning. My name is Curt** 20 **Friesen. I'm a fourth-generation corn farmer and** 21 **senator in Nebraska's Unicameral Legislature,** 22 **representing District 34. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **My district contains a large amount of the corn** 2 **grown in Nebraska and the most ethanol plants across** 3 **any district in the State. Expanding out, Nebraska is** 4 **the second-largest producer of ethanol and the third** 5 **largest producer of corn in the nation. But Nebraska's** 6 **ethanol industry didn't start out that way.** 7 **Up until the Energy Policy Act of 2005 was passed,** 8 **Nebraska had just a few ethanol plants, with one of** 9 **those operating sporadically throughout the year. The** 10 **true incentive and support for today's modern ethanol** 11 **industry came when Congress passed the Energy** 12 **Independence and Security Act of 2007 that updated the** 13 **renewable fuel standard with biofuels usage totaling 36** 14 **billion gallons and specifically conventional biofuels** 15 **of 15 billion gallons.** 16 **The support from Congress and the President gave** 17 **great incentive and especially certainty for rural** 18 **economic development to happen that now includes 24** 19 **ethanol plants across Nebraska and over 100 across the** 20 **U.S. And with any successful economic development** 21 **program, you don't withdraw support midway through the** 22 **program.**

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1 **But if you finalize the 2015 and 2016 RVOs as** 2 **proposed, this is exactly what you're doing and thus** 3 **showing a lack of incentive for rural economic** 4 **development and job creation, and you're slashing** 5 **certainty for the current and the next generation of** 6 **biofuels.** 7 **And I'm going to defer a little bit from my** 8 **written testimony and talk a little bit about the blend** 9 **wall, and I think that seems to have been a recurring** 10 **theme here. But the blend wall is actually existent** 11 **only because we do not have the cooperation of the oil** 12 **industry in allowing the different blends to be under** 13 **the canopy.** 14 **And I know they talk a lot about the independent** 15 **stations that are out there that can do whatever they** 16 **want. But in reality, if they do not follow what the** 17 **franchisees' agreement is, they will jerk their name** 18 **off the canopy. And so there is a blend wall, and** 19 **that's only occurred because of the oil industry's** 20 **reluctance to blend more fuel.** 21 **So my message today is clear and concise. Don't** 22 **mess with the RFS. Show the industry some certainty** Page 112

1 **through 2022 and beyond.** 2 **Because of the renewable fuel standard, the** 3 **ethanol industry in Nebraska and the nation is booming.** 4 **Nebraska produces nearly 2 billion gallons of ethanol** 5 **each year, and this, in turn, employs over 1,300** 6 **employees mainly across rural Nebraska counties.** 7 **Nebraska has one of the lowest unemployment rates** 8 **in the nation, thanks to agriculture and the markets,** 9 **such as ethanol, that have been created. Rural** 10 **communities that Nebraska's ethanol plants are located** 11 **in have seen a revival that has not been witnessed** 12 **since rural electricity across the State.** 13 **As you propose, reducing the RFS numbers from what** 14 **Congress passed will only hurt Nebraska and every** 15 **agricultural State in the nation. Jobs will be lost.** 16 **Rural communities will struggle, and State revenues** 17 **will shrink. And consumers will lose choices, and the** 18 **environment will lose an ally.** 19 **I am proud to say that I, along with 41 out of 49** 20 **State senators, co-signed onto a letter to EPA** 21 **Administrator Gina McCarthy, asking the EPA not to** 22 **change the RFS. To paraphrase this letter, we said**

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1 **don't mess with the RFS.** 2 **I and other Nebraska senators understand the** 3 **importance of the ethanol industry not only in** 4 **Nebraska, but for the nation. When you can get more** 5 **than 85 percent of your colleagues to come together in** 6 **urging the EPA Administrator to leave the RFS alone,** 7 **you're making a big statement.** 8 **And this statement needs to be heard by you today.** 9 **The adverse effects with the reduced numbers are too** 10 **great to mention.** 11 **Two years ago when my daughter and son-in-law and** 12 **their three children said they wanted to come back to** 13 **the family farm, he was a professor at Cal Poly in** 14 **California, and he saw the opportunity to come back to** 15 **the farm. I -- you know, I was kind of thrilled. They** 16 **were going to be the fifth-generation farmer.** 17 **And so, I thought it would be a good idea. I knew** 18 **the corn market was variable, and we go through these** 19 **cycles regularly, and the corn market would go up and** 20 **down. But we would have some low cycles in the market.** 21 **The ethanol industry has created a great market** 22 **for corn farmers and an opportunity for my daughter and Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **her family to return to the family farm, and many** 2 **others like her. The corn market was stable and helped** 3 **corn prices rise to profitable levels. And** 4 **unfortunately, today we're operating at or below the** 5 **cost of production because of supply and demand.** 6 **If we reduce the RFS numbers below the level that** 7 **Congress passed, then the corn markets will only become** 8 **worse. My family farm, other multi-generational farms,** 9 **and young farmers are the key to the future of** 10 **agriculture. They are motivated entrepreneurs. They** 11 **know they have to feed 9 billion people by the year** 12 **2050.** 13 **And how do we feed 9 billion people? Young** 14 **farmers, they know how. They use the knowledge and** 15 **skills today along with technology to grow more with** 16 **less. We already have plans in place to feed 9 billion** 17 **people. We grow more corn using less land and fewer** 18 **inputs.** 19 **The last couple of years, we have produced bumper** 20 **crops, and we have relied on markets, especially** 21 **ethanol, to consume our record crops. We need the** 22 **ethanol market to continue and to expand our market for**

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1 **corn. We are producing the corn to feed the world, and** 2 **now we need the ethanol market to keep up with corn** 3 **production.** 4 **In conclusion, the ethanol industry has provided** 5 **great opportunities -- opportunities for the next** 6 **generation of family farmers, opportunities for rural** 7 **America, and opportunities for our environment. Now we** 8 **just need you, the EPA, to step up and continue to** 9 **provide opportunities for consumers and increase** 10 **choices at the fuel pump.** 11 **You have heard from many today, and my message** 12 **will be the same. Support the original intent of** 13 **Congress and the people, and don't mess with the RFS.** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Senator. Thanks for coming** 16 **from Nebraska.** 17 **MR. WESTERFIELD: Good morning. My name is** 18 **Whitney Westerfield. I'm the State senator from** 19 **Christian County, Kentucky, the 3rd Senate District.** 20 **It's a three-county district in west Kentucky.** 21 **Three of the biggest rural ag counties Kentucky can** 22 **claim, Todd, Christian, and Logan County. Together, a** Page 116

1 **little over 25 million bushels of corn produced last** 2 **year in those three counties. Needless to say, I would** 3 **ask that you reverse your course and maintain the** 4 **statutory requirements of the RFS.** 5 **I want to highlight specifically just the economic** 6 **impact to Hopkinsville and Kentucky, and really** 7 **Tennessee even for that matter, because of the ethanol** 8 **plant that exists there in Christian County. It's one** 9 **of the most successful ethanol plants in the country.** 10 **Not necessarily the biggest, but certainly one of the** 11 **most successful.** 12 **It has -- while it pulls from farmers all over the** 13 **region, it actually is a farmer-owned co-op, revenue** 14 **sharing arrangement there. So you've got farmers in 59** 15 **of Kentucky's 120 counties that are enjoying profits** 16 **from this ethanol plant. It also has some farmers in** 17 **Tennessee that are enjoying revenues from this ethanol** 18 **plant.** 19 **The district, my Senate district and the rest of** 20 **the commonwealth has benefited from the RFS and from** 21 **the ethanol plant that's come there. Commonwealth** 22 **Agri-Energy is that plant. It's safe to say that the**

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1 **money that it makes is plowed directly back into this** 2 **community, my community, and the communities in those** 3 **other 59 counties and those farms and those families.** 4 **The five or six counties around the plant supply** 5 **the majority of the corn needed for the 35 million** 6 **gallons that it can produce. But I also want to talk** 7 **about not just that, but also the benefits within the** 8 **community outside of directly related to the farmers.** 9 **The Commonwealth Agri-Energy ethanol plant farmers** 10 **are business leaders and community leaders. They serve** 11 **on school boards, fire departments, economic** 12 **development groups, like all the others -- many others** 13 **you've heard today.** 14 **A strong farm economy means more agribusinesses to** 15 **supply those inputs, machinery, et cetera. Family** 16 **businesses not farming related thrive as well. These** 17 **are the supporters of farm operations, like welders for** 18 **grain bins, electricians for grain dryers, mechanics** 19 **for tractors. The jobs that agribusiness has created** 20 **in the community that I'm familiar with and that I** 21 **represent are solid, important, and critical to the** 22 **economy of western Kentucky and the rest of the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Commonwealth.** 2 **We'd like to say a farm family's corporate** 3 **headquarters are not in a foreign country or even** 4 **another State. They are at the kitchen table. Money** 5 **made in ag stays in the community.** 6 **That helps everyone in the community, from the** 7 **grocery to the car dealer. And at least in Kentucky,** 8 **estimates show that ag dollars roll over in the** 9 **community six or seven times, that they're spent there** 10 **in that local economy.** 11 **The ethanol plants also added an additional buyer** 12 **for corn growers in the area. That's helped to create** 13 **a premium price for grain delivered there, and I see** 14 **that I'm out of time.** 15 **I want to summarize this so that I can be quiet** 16 **and that red light will quit blinking. You've built --** 17 **you asked for a grain infrastructure to support this.** 18 **You have called upon the farmers of the entire country** 19 **to develop this, and they've done that.** 20 **It's driven innovation. It's driven their** 21 **investments. And you know that to create a farming** 22 **operation is not cheap. It takes a lot of capital**

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1 **investment on the front end and ongoing investment, and** 2 **you asked for that, and you've allowed this apparatus** 3 **to exist and to grow and develop.** 4 **And now you're considering pulling the rug out** 5 **from underneath them, and I think that's going to do** 6 **more harm than good. And I would advise you, I would** 7 **plead and ask that you remember what investments have** 8 **been made by the farmers not just in Christian County** 9 **and west Kentucky and Tennessee, but everywhere else** 10 **that you've heard from today, remember that investment** 11 **and remember what you've asked them to do.** 12 **And consider that when you -- consider that** 13 **seventh generation that's playing in the dirt or the** 14 **seven or eight kids from my old high school that were** 15 **here that rode on a bus to come and listen to this and** 16 **take part in this. They're the next farmers, and they** 17 **need to take advantage of what you all have asked to** 18 **have set up, this industry, this economy.** 19 **Thank you.** 20 **(Applause.)** 21 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Senator.** 22 **MR. BRACHT: Thank you, panel.** Page 120

1 **And my name is David Bracht. I am the director of** 2 **the Nebraska Energy Office.** 3 **First, I want to thank you for allowing testimony** 4 **an issue that has a significant impact on agriculture** 5 **industry, on agribusiness, on all U.S. citizens, and** 6 **specifically on the Nebraska farmers, ethanol industry** 7 **workers, and rural communities who I am here today to** 8 **represent.** 9 **My comments today represent not only my concerns** 10 **as director of the Energy Office for the State of** 11 **Nebraska, but also the concerns of Nebraska Governor** 12 **Pete Ricketts and Nebraska Director of Agriculture Greg** 13 **Ibach.** 14 **Nebraska is the second-largest ethanol State in** 15 **the nation. We have 24 active plants, 1,300 direct** 16 **employees and many other supporting employees, and an** 17 **annual impact of $5 billion. Our State will be** 18 **impacted significantly by this policy.** 19 **Soon after the Environmental Protection Agency** 20 **proposed cuts to the volumes for 2014, 2015, and 2016** 21 **that were mandated by the renewable fuel standard,** 22 **leaders from ethanol-producing States and national**

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1 **ethanol industry officials voiced their concerns that** 2 **the reduced RFS volumes would cool investment in** 3 **ongoing development and innovation within the sector.** 4 **I'm here today to tell you that prediction has already** 5 **come true.** 6 **Last week, Nebraska Governor Ricketts was in** 7 **Copenhagen, Denmark, as one of many stops during a** 8 **European trade mission that focused in part on** 9 **recruiting bioscience investment into Nebraska. While** 10 **there, Governor Ricketts met with the chief executive** 11 **officer of Novozymes, which currently operates a** 12 **manufacturing facility in Blair, producing industrial** 13 **enzymes used by the ethanol industry.** 14 **That plant employs over 100 people. When it was** 15 **first opened in Nebraska in 2012, their investment was** 16 **$200 million. In 2014, they turned a $382 million** 17 **profit.** 18 **The Novozymes facility in Blair is but one part of** 19 **a bioscience and renewable processing campus that has** 20 **grown over the last 20 years to support the ethanol** 21 **industry. Today, five companies operate there, with an** 22 **aggregate investment of over $2 billion. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **With its great success, Novozymes had been** 2 **considering expansion, and Nebraska was in the running** 3 **for that development. However, during his visit last** 4 **week, Governor Ricketts was directly informed by** 5 **Novozymes officials that they were pulling back from** 6 **additional U.S. investment in the ethanol sector due to** 7 **the EPA proposal to cut the RFS.** 8 **As our Governor pointed out on the trip, when the** 9 **EPA changes the rules, it creates uncertainty and** 10 **hampers job creation. I've had personal experience of** 11 **the results of that uncertainty.** 12 **Prior to becoming the director of the Nebraska** 13 **Energy Office, as an attorney in the renewable energy** 14 **sector, I represented a company developing an advanced** 15 **ethanol processing facility. After a significant** 16 **investment time, years in fact, and money from the** 17 **founders and initial investors, that project was** 18 **terminated at the end of last year due in large part to** 19 **the uncertainty created by the rule changes proposed by** 20 **EPA.** 21 **Federal Government proposals once set should not** 22 **be returned to "what if" scenarios. When the renewable**

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1 **fuel standard was established in 2005 and updated in** 2 **2007, Nebraska corn and biofuel sectors set themselves** 3 **on a course of action. They recognized the value this** 4 **policy had in diversifying the U.S. domestic fuel** 5 **supply while providing economic benefits for healthy,** 6 **sustainable rural communities.** 7 **Our plants represent $5 billion in economic** 8 **impact, jobs that generally pay above the average in** 9 **these small communities and an increase in value of** 10 **each bushel of corn produced by area farmers. Our** 11 **State has joined with others in the Midwest to improve** 12 **our ability to create a supply chain that has and can** 13 **fulfill a consistently growing demand for ethanol.** 14 **We've done it, and we can continue to do it, if given** 15 **the chance.** 16 **Finally, I'm confused by an administration that** 17 **claims to want cleaner, less carbon-producing sources** 18 **of overall energy for the nation and then makes a** 19 **policy proposal that does exactly the opposite. The** 20 **scientific evidence exists to support ethanol's claims** 21 **as a cleaner-burning fuel than conventional gasoline.** 22 **And Nebraska ethanol producers continue to make** Page 124

1 **improvements as their plants -- to improve efficiency** 2 **and get more value out of the basic inputs. Many also** 3 **have been looking at next-generation biofuels but have** 4 **said that the administration's ongoing waiver in the** 5 **RFS policy has given them pause.** 6 **In closing, I urge the administration to maintain** 7 **the commitments made in 2007 when the Energy** 8 **Independence and Security Act was improved. Steady** 9 **growth in the renewable fuel standard has helped to** 10 **reduce harmful emissions, decreased our dependence on** 11 **foreign sources of fuel, and created an economic driver** 12 **for many rural economies across the Midwest.** 13 **Again, thank you for allowing me to testify today.** 14 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, David.** 15 **Any questions?** 16 **(No response.)** 17 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you to the senators** 18 **and everybody. Appreciate your time and travels here.** 19 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: All right. If our next panel** 20 **will please come up? And following the conclusion of** 21 **the remarks from this panel, we're going to take a very** 22 **brief 10-minute break. So I'm going to not call up the**

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1 **next panel until after we return.** 2 **So following the conclusion of this, a brief 10-** 3 **minute break, and then we'll come back promptly.** 4 **(Pause.)** 5 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Go ahead. Thank you.** 6 **MR. SPIKES: My name is Kirk Spikes, and I work** 7 **for Abengoa Bioenergy's Crop Residue Division. I have** 8 **been involved in their cellulosic ethanol effort since** 9 **2009. I am a native of southwest Kansas and was born** 10 **and raised in Hugoton, Kansas. Hugoton is the site of** 11 **Abengoa's second-generation cellulosic ethanol plant.** 12 **My family has been involved in the agricultural** 13 **community around Hugoton and southwest Kansas since the** 14 **1940s. We have farmed and operated grain elevators.** 15 **In the late 1960s, we started and ran an alfalfa** 16 **merchandising, processing, and transportation business** 17 **for 40 years.** 18 **This agricultural background and specifically the** 19 **handling of alfalfa and other types of biomass give me** 20 **an insight into the inherent challenges of handling** 21 **crop residues. A lifetime of work in the Hugoton and** 22 **southwest Kansas agricultural community have allowed me Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **to deal with farmers, land owners, and other related** 2 **businesses. These longtime family, friend, and** 3 **business relationships bestow on me a special community** 4 **trust.** 5 **Farmers in the southwest Kansas area and the** 6 **western high plains still remember the Dust Bowl days** 7 **of "the dirty '30s." From this history lesson, they** 8 **have developed a nurturing and conservation-based love** 9 **of the land, water, crops, and livestock industries.** 10 **Now they look forward to the benefits of managing crop** 11 **residues for better farming practices, less CO2** 12 **footprint, and as an additional source of revenue.** 13 **The new second-generation biofuels are becoming a** 14 **reality. As second-generation biofuel technology** 15 **industrializes and as first-generation biofuels** 16 **continue in our quest for energy independence, it is** 17 **imperative that we stay on track with renewable fuel** 18 **standards.** 19 **The reduction of renewable fuel standards will** 20 **have a negative impact on the price of grains and** 21 **probably on grain production. You asked farmers to see** 22 **the biofuels industry as a major contributor to their**

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1 **revenues and as a better substitute to USDA farm** 2 **programs. Abengoa and other first-generation biofuel** 3 **producers need the renewable fuel standards to stay the** 4 **course and not be reduced.** 5 **I respectfully ask that you reconsider your** 6 **intentions to reduce targets on first-generation** 7 **renewable fuels. First-generation biofuels are the** 8 **springboard, the economic driver, and technology** 9 **innovators of our new second-generation biofuels.** 10 **Thank you for your time.** 11 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 12 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Thank you.** 13 **MR. ROBB: My name is Tom Robb, and I work for** 14 **Abengoa Bioenergy. I have been involved in Abengoa's** 15 **cellulosic ethanol effort since its conception within** 16 **our company.** 17 **As one of the few members of Abengoa staff with an** 18 **agricultural background, I was tasked with leading** 19 **efforts to identify locations for our commercial-scale** 20 **cellulosic ethanol plant. Once we had selected** 21 **southwest Kansas, I was responsible for securing the** 22 **plant location, infrastructure requirements, including** Page 128

1 **water, and to start to establish relationships with** 2 **people in the community.** 3 **Once the infrastructure requirements were** 4 **obtained, my efforts were focused on obtaining** 5 **feedstock commitments from local farmers for the** 6 **plant's needs. Working with the farmers in the area** 7 **around Hugoton, Kansas, has been extremely rewarding to** 8 **me on a personal basis, and I have particularly enjoyed** 9 **working on behalf of Abengoa to support development of** 10 **policies and procedures that promote sustainable** 11 **harvest of a portion of the agriculture residues from** 12 **local area farm land.** 13 **I have observed a growing sense of pride in local** 14 **farmers, knowing that the crops they produce are** 15 **helping to provide transportation fuel for America,** 16 **making America more energy independent, and providing** 17 **an additional economic benefit for the area. The fact** 18 **is that first-generation biofuels has had a positive** 19 **impact on the price of product they produce, making** 20 **their business profitable and sustainable, and has led** 21 **to second-generation production that further enhances** 22 **the value of their land and crop residues.**

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1 **It is extremely important for rural America. This** 2 **is even more important today, as crop prices are** 3 **approaching recent lows and farm margins are being** 4 **squeezed. Reducing the RFS volume requirements for** 5 **advanced and cellulosic biofuels is a bad idea and will** 6 **cause irreparable harm to the agricultural community.** 7 **Reducing renewable fuel standard for first-generation** 8 **biofuels is an even worse idea.** 9 **The rule proposed by EPA will have negative impact** 10 **on the price of grain, putting farmers into the** 11 **situation that we have had in the past where farmers** 12 **needed support payments to be able to survive and be** 13 **able to continue to produce the crops that our nation** 14 **needs for food production.** 15 **It will also force advanced and cellulosic** 16 **biofuels to fight with conventional biofuels, and each** 17 **will have to try to cannibalize each other's markets,** 18 **reducing margins even further for all. Abengoa does** 19 **applaud your intentions to increase cellulosic** 20 **renewable fuel quotas over the numbers you have** 21 **proposed in your 2013 draft. However, the increase in** 22 **biogas production is likely to consume a majority of Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **that increase.** 2 **You must realize that the resource for almost** 3 **every company active in the development and** 4 **commercialization of second-generation biofuels depends** 5 **on revenues generated from first-generation facilities.** 6 **I respectfully request that you reconsider your** 7 **intentions to reduce targets for both first-generation** 8 **conventional renewable fuels and for cellulosic** 9 **biofuels and that these volume obligation be set as** 10 **targets equal to anticipated production capacity for** 11 **each of the applicable years.** 12 **Thank you.** 13 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Thank you.** 14 **MR. STANDLEE: Good morning. My name is Chris** 15 **Standlee, and I'm the executive vice president of** 16 **global affairs for Abengoa Bioenergy. The Bioenergy** 17 **Division of Abengoa is an international producer of** 18 **renewable fuels, with 15 commercial-scale biorefineries** 19 **in operation on 3 continents and production capacities** 20 **approaching 900 million gallons per year.** 21 **Largely because of the promise of the RFS, we** 22 **employ over 500 permanent employees in the U.S. and**

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1 **have invested over $2 billion in developing our 8 U.S.** 2 **ethanol production facilities, including a cellulosic** 3 **pilot plant and one of the world's first commercial** 4 **scale cellulosic ethanol plants, which we are currently** 5 **in the final stages of commissioning.** 6 **Today, we're here because we're frustrated with** 7 **EPA's failure to implement the RFS as required by law.** 8 **After first proposing the 2014 volume rule over 18** 9 **months ago, then publicly admitting that EPA got it** 10 **wrong in that proposal, the final proposed rule is not** 11 **significantly different.** 12 **We do commend you for some of the language of the** 13 **proposed rule, indicating the intention to implement** 14 **ambitious increases in biofuel blending in the U.S. and** 15 **also for the attempt to get back on track with** 16 **statutory proposal deadlines by issuing rules for 2014** 17 **through 2016.** 18 **However, that commendation fades after reading the** 19 **artfully worded characterization of distribution and** 20 **infrastructure issues as "inadequate supply." This** 21 **issue was proposed and debated during the negotiation** 22 **of the original law by Congress in 2005, and EPA's** Page 132

1 **characterization was expressly rejected.** 2 **Fortunately, this waiver characterization is not** 3 **necessary beyond cellulosic ethanol gallons. The U.S.** 4 **ethanol industry has current installed production** 5 **capacity in excess of 15 billion gallons per year, and** 6 **the statute includes volumes that would allow** 7 **conventional corn ethanol to contribute to that 15** 8 **billion gallons per year in both 2015 and '16.** 9 **However, EPA's proposed rule cuts that opportunity** 10 **to 13.4 and 14 billion gallons, respectively, over a** 11 **billion gallons short of actual production capacity** 12 **today, even for 2016 volumes. This does not seem to be** 13 **a rule calculated to expand investment and production** 14 **of biofuels when it does not even allow utilization of** 15 **existing capacities.** 16 **Now, just as private companies like ours have** 17 **invested billions of dollars in new technologies based** 18 **upon this promise, EPA has chosen to reward the failure** 19 **of obligated parties to prepare for compliance with a** 20 **loosening of the rules and a free pass, effectively** 21 **announcing that compliance with the Clean Air Act is** 22 **voluntary.**

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1 **As a result of the initial volume proposal in** 2 **2013, Abengoa began development efforts on cellulosic** 3 **ethanol facilities in both Brazil and in France. The** 4 **current proposal does nothing to change our direction** 5 **in that regard.** 6 **We're asking the EPA to follow the language and** 7 **intent of the statute, to take advantage of the** 8 **existing production capacity of the industry, and to** 9 **incentivize additional investment to continue to** 10 **develop new technologies and new capacities by adopting** 11 **the statutory volumes for total and advanced biofuels,** 12 **modifying only the cellulosic numbers in accordance** 13 **with the intent of the law.** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 16 **MS. HEFFELFINGER: Good morning. I'm Brenda** 17 **Heffelfinger, and I'm business lead for DuPont's grain** 18 **processing business. I'm here today to raise major** 19 **concern with the proposed RFS rule.** 20 **Consistent with the feedback we provided in the** 21 **December 2013 RFS hearings, DuPont believes this** 22 **proposed rule is a major step backwards. It's not Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **consistent with EPA's authority under the Clean Air Act** 2 **and will create uncertainty in the renewable fuel** 3 **market that will deter future growth.** 4 **Since the RFS was first enacted, the U.S. has** 5 **quickly risen to lead the world in biofuels technology** 6 **and execution. But that leadership is now hanging in** 7 **the balance, dependent upon the actions of EPA on** 8 **correctly administering this policy.** 9 **Make no mistake. Investments in additional** 10 **cellulosic ethanol capacity and plants in the U.S. are** 11 **absolutely dependent on EPA fulfilling its obligations** 12 **to the existing biofuels industry. For all 3 years in** 13 **this proposal, EPA is undermining corn ethanol volumes** 14 **and stifling the growth that Congress intended when it** 15 **passed the RFS.** 16 **EPA has invented a novel interpretation of the** 17 **general waiver provision, going beyond the authority** 18 **provided in the Clean Air Act. The general waiver** 19 **provision is clear, and EPA's interpretation is** 20 **contrary to the plain wording of the statute, the 2010** 21 **implementing regulations of the RFS2, and the** 22 **legislative history and intent of the 2007 energy bill.**

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1 **DuPont's business model for cellulosic ethanol is** 2 **to license the technology here in the U.S. and around** 3 **the world. This approach has generated tremendous** 4 **interest. However, all of those announcements,** 5 **negotiations, and conversations are happening outside** 6 **of the U.S. Not a single one is happening here, and as** 7 **long as EPA continues to undermine existing biofuels** 8 **capacity, capabilities in the U.S., the situation will** 9 **continue, creating a scenario where the benefits of** 10 **U.S. innovation and technology advances are realized** 11 **overseas.** 12 **The proposed RFS rule fails to meet the RFS** 13 **objectives to improve energy security, reduce** 14 **greenhouse gas emissions, and promote domestic** 15 **economies. Therefore, DuPont suggests that the best** 16 **course of action is for the EPA to abandon the proposed** 17 **rule, go back to the drawing board, and issue a new** 18 **proposal based on the directive that Congress provided** 19 **when the RFS was passed.** 20 **Thank you for the opportunity to submit our** 21 **concerns with the proposed RFS rule. DuPont will** 22 **provide additional analysis and recommendations as part** Page 136

1 **of the comment process.** 2 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 3 **MR. REGNERY: Good morning. My name is Joe** 4 **Regnery. I'm the chief commercial officer of ZeaChem.** 5 **ZeaChem is a biorefining organization that** 6 **operates a 250,000 gallon production demonstration** 7 **scale facility in Boardman, Oregon, that is looking to** 8 **expand that facility up to a 22 million gallon capacity** 9 **production facility.** 10 **As an operator of a demonstration-scale, second** 11 **generation biorefinery with commercial expansion plans,** 12 **ZeaChem thanks the EPA for eschewing its proposed 2014,** 13 **2015, and 2016 RVOs and eagerly awaits its issuance of** 14 **final RVOs in November.** 15 **Regarding the EPA's proposed 2014, 2015, and 2016** 16 **RVOs, ZeaChem requests that the EPA revise its numbers** 17 **to reflect the previous year's renewable fuel installed** 18 **production capacity and renewable fuel production** 19 **capacity additions that are to be mechanically complete** 20 **within the applicable year, based on data provided by** 21 **the U.S. Energy Information Administration.** 22 **Setting RVOs based solely on publicly available**

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1 **forecasted renewable fuel production capacity data** 2 **provides transparency and predictability to the market** 3 **on which developers such as ZeaChem, suppliers,** 4 **customers, and investors can make reasoned** 5 **participation decisions.** 6 **Factoring in other variables which can be** 7 **influenced by individual market participants, such as** 8 **blending ratio biases, pump availability, and perceived** 9 **logistical challenges negates that regulatory** 10 **certainty, impeding the ability of developers,** 11 **suppliers, customers, investors to make those reasoned** 12 **participation decisions.** 13 **As a developer and supplier of renewable fuels, we** 14 **need a predictable, transparent regulatory framework on** 15 **which we can rely to achieve the renewable fuel** 16 **production goals of the Energy Independence and** 17 **Security Act of 2007.** 18 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify before** 19 **you today.** 20 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 21 **MR. COX: David Cox, director of the Coalition for** 22 **Renewable Natural Gas. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **First, thank you for your work on the proposed** 2 **rule, and God bless you for sitting through all this** 3 **testimony.** 4 **I'm going to change things up a bit and talk about** 5 **biogas, natural gas, and I'm probably the only one** 6 **today. So let me get here.** 7 **Also, with only 3 minutes, I'm going to focus on** 8 **our more constructive comments, but generally I just** 9 **want to express our support for RFS2 and also** 10 **appreciation for the multiyear cellulosic RVO.** 11 **Congress intended that RFS to create and grow a** 12 **cellulosic biofuels market in the United States. They** 13 **may not have gotten the timetable right, but in 2015,** 14 **their intent is finally becoming a reality, and** 15 **especially with renewable natural gas. And that is CNG** 16 **and LNG from biogas sources.** 17 **Monthly D3 production has increased from 4.1** 18 **million in January to 7.7 million gallons in March to** 19 **9.5 million in May, and by August, we expect to see 13** 20 **million gallons plus per month.** 21 **Cellulosic biofuels like renewable natural gas are** 22 **critical to meeting our nation's energy security and**

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1 **greenhouse gas reduction needs. But if we want the** 2 **industry to thrive, we must continue to send positive** 3 **and consistent signals to the market. This is not the** 4 **time to scale back. It's time to push forward.** 5 **The Renewable Natural Gas Coalition provided EPA** 6 **with project-specific D3 volume data, which we vetted** 7 **extensively, and you established the 2015, 2016** 8 **cellulosic RVO using, first, EMTS data for past** 9 **production and, second, using, among others, our** 10 **numbers within your methodology for the production** 11 **projections.** 12 **I'm here to tell you today that renewable natural** 13 **gas will outproduce this cellulosic RVO. You need to** 14 **incorporate the most recent EMTS data since March. You** 15 **need to incorporate the registrations that were pending** 16 **at the time of the April assessment, and in doing that,** 17 **we believe that you'll see that you need to increase** 18 **the 2015 cellulosic RVO by at least 25 million gallons.** 19 **Regarding the methodology, renewable CNG and LNG** 20 **projections should take into account project history,** 21 **not just D3 production history. And this will produce** 22 **a stronger D3 data, we believe.** Page 140

1 **EPA's methodology calculated low and high ends of** 2 **a range of potential production volumes at the 50** 3 **percentile for all facilities that have previously** 4 **generated cellulosic biofuel RINs from renewable** 5 **natural gas and at the 25 percent for facilities that** 6 **have not generated cellulosic biofuel RINs.** 7 **The vast majority of RNG projects which have not** 8 **generated cellulosic biofuel RINs are not new projects.** 9 **They've generated pipeline-quality gas for years and** 10 **some for decades. Their production volumes are not** 11 **theoretical. They are known, quantifiable, and based** 12 **on actual production performance, meeting high natural** 13 **gas pipeline injection standards.** 14 **In registration, these projects demonstrated their** 15 **commitment to D3 production, including showing you** 16 **their end-use contracts. These are proven, registered** 17 **projects that are contracted to produce D3 CNG or LNG** 18 **and shouldn't be discounted in a 25th percentile as** 19 **that being the likelihood that they're going to follow** 20 **through with this production. We need to, at the very** 21 **least, move them up to the 50 percentile.** 22 **And finally, I know I'm out of time, but we need**

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1 **to promulgate regulations to clarify that an obligated** 2 **party must demonstrate that it's attempted but failed** 3 **to purchase RINs before the agency will sell them** 4 **cellulosic waiver credits.** 5 **Thank you for your time.** 6 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 7 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Yeah, so slight change of plans** 8 **if our next panelists are here. So Panel 14, Greg** 9 **Krissek, Ken McCauley, Pat Ross, Dennis Gengenbach.** 10 **Excuse me. Gengenbach, thank you -- sorry. Hannah** 11 **Borg and Jon Holzfaster. Are those panelists all here?** 12 **Okay. If you could, we'll go ahead and begin** 13 **then. If you guys could come up?** 14 **And then for the next panel, Panel 16, if you** 15 **could go to the staging area, it's Don Bloss, John** 16 **Duff, Sarah Bowser, David -- actually, David already** 17 **spoke. Steven Nelson and Vern Jantzen.** 18 **Oh, and the order doesn't matter. Just please** 19 **take a seat and just be reminded you need to state your** 20 **name and organization for the court reporter, and we** 21 **also will have our timer running. So be cognizant of** 22 **the time. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Thank you.** 2 **MR. KRISSEK: Thank you for the opportunity to** 3 **present comments today. I'm Greg Krissek, CEO of** 4 **Kansas Corn Growers.** 5 **In my 26 years of experience working on biofuels** 6 **industry development, employed both in the public and** 7 **the private sectors, I have never witnessed a program** 8 **as important to the Midwest and Kansas agriculture as** 9 **what comes about in the value-added opportunity in** 10 **expanding and growing the fuel ethanol industry in the** 11 **United States.** 12 **Through several factors, but mostly due to the** 13 **existence of the renewable fuel standard, in the past** 14 **decade, I have seen ethanol production capacity in** 15 **Kansas grow tenfold and create rural economic stability** 16 **and valuable benefits for farmers, consumers, and** 17 **livestock producers in our State.** 18 **Investments by thousands of farmers, local** 19 **citizens, and small business owners helped this** 20 **industry become reality, with them believing the** 21 **Federal Government would honor its statutory** 22 **commitments. Today, the ethanol industry in Kansas**

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1 **provides over $4 billion in economic impact to the** 2 **State, creates a market for thousands of farmers to** 3 **supply nearly today 200 million bushels of corn to be** 4 **processed into high-octane fuel, which is cleaner** 5 **burning, less polluting, and costs less than its** 6 **traditional gasoline competitor.** 7 **So consumers, farmers, and others in this value** 8 **chain benefit from ethanol. Why would we ignore** 9 **requirements of Federal law and stymie use of more** 10 **ethanol in our transportation fuels portfolio? U.S.** 11 **EPA's proposal to reduce the RVO levels from those** 12 **currently in Federal statute baffles me.** 13 **That said, predicting gasoline demand and economic** 14 **conditions into the future is very difficult, but the** 15 **result of the proposed rule and its RVO levels today** 16 **continues to reinforce the E10 blend wall for ethanol** 17 **consumption. There will be little motivation for the** 18 **marketplace to increase ethanol use with these levels.** 19 **The traditional gasoline fuels industry has had** 20 **many years to prepare for implementation of increased** 21 **use -- increased levels of ethanol and other biofuels.** 22 **U.S. EPA will give that industry a pass by not** Page 144

1 **maintaining the RVO levels as laid out by the statute.** 2 **There are multiple pathways for increased use of** 3 **ethanol, such as E15 and E85, and even new** 4 **opportunities in mid-level blends that the agency** 5 **should foster and stimulate, both for meeting the RFS,** 6 **but also to assist with other greenhouse gas-related** 7 **programs administered by the U.S. EPA.** 8 **Information also continues to become available** 9 **from Federal agencies about current gasoline** 10 **dispensers' ability to distribute higher ethanol** 11 **blends, such as E15. Ethanol and biofuels can and will** 12 **play an important role in our nation's transportation** 13 **fuels portfolio. If U.S. EPA adopts this proposed rule** 14 **with RVO levels lower than that provided in the** 15 **statute, the negative results will include more air** 16 **pollution, higher gasoline prices, instability in both** 17 **the overall and rural economy, and increased reliance** 18 **on fossil fuels.** 19 **As a former State regulator myself, I recognize** 20 **the internal and external stakeholder pressures you** 21 **face, including Federal regulatory economists who don't** 22 **seem to recognize the realities of who benefits in the**

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1 **transportation fuels value chain long before a consumer** 2 **fills a vehicle with gasoline. If the agency continues** 3 **on this path blocking increased use of biofuels with** 4 **the rule, we all will be negatively impacted.** 5 **I strongly urge you to reinstate the RVO levels** 6 **which exists in Federal statute today.** 7 **Thank you.** 8 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 9 **MR. MCCAULEY: Good morning. I'm Ken McCauley, a** 10 **farmer from White Cloud here, representing the Kansas** 11 **Corn Growers Association. I'm also past president of** 12 **the National Corn Growers Association.** 13 **My wife and I and our son each operate a 2,200** 14 **acre farm. My wife and I live in the house my great** 15 **grandfather built 100 years ago and continue to farm** 16 **his farm today. I'm here to tell you not to lower the** 17 **legal limits of the RFS.** 18 **In 2007, I had the privilege to lobby for the** 19 **current renewable fuel standard. Our message at that** 20 **time was 15 billion gallons from 15 billion bushels of** 21 **corn in 2015. That message resonated with Congress and** 22 **was a big factor in the passage of the RFS. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **At that time, corn was approximately $3.50 per** 2 **bushel, as it is today, and we had large carryovers of** 3 **supply. Today, in 2015, we should not be here talking** 4 **about lowering the RFS. It should be left at 15** 5 **billion gallons, as the law states.** 6 **In 2014, we had another record crop in corn** 7 **production at 14.2 billion bushels, and the ethanol** 8 **plants continue to improve their efficiencies as well,** 9 **making more gallons of ethanol from bushels of grains.** 10 **You only have to look at today's lower corn prices to** 11 **know that we are producing plenty of corn for feed,** 12 **food, and homegrown, clean-burning fuel.** 13 **As farmers, we have a true message of** 14 **sustainability. You can see it in our farms as we** 15 **adopt conservation practices like no-till farming,** 16 **through our efforts with organizations and industry to** 17 **show the value of our sustainable efforts.** 18 **According to the Field Market Alliance for** 19 **Sustainable Agriculture, from 1980 to 2011, farmers** 20 **decreased land use by 30 percent and soil erosion by 67** 21 **percent. Those numbers are significant. With new** 22 **advances in technology and farming practices, our**

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1 **sustainability will only continue to increase.** 2 **The RFS has boosted rural communities and farm** 3 **income all across the United States, more than any** 4 **other rural development effort I can think of. The RFS** 5 **is what gives us access to sell ethanol in a market** 6 **controlled by the oil industry. To lower the volumes** 7 **of the RFS today would set back this economic engine** 8 **dramatically and put rural America in a tailspin.** 9 **Farmers have geared up to produce enough corn to** 10 **meet the RFS as it is written. Our family farms are** 11 **businesses that rely on supply and demand, and we are** 12 **growing corn to meet that demand and to meet the needs** 13 **of our customers.** 14 **It's blatantly unfair for EPA to arbitrarily** 15 **reduce that demand based on politics and bad** 16 **information. I implore you to not lower the volumes of** 17 **the RFS and leave them as they are written into the** 18 **law.** 19 **I do appreciate this opportunity to be here, but** 20 **I'd much rather be home helping my son on the farm. I** 21 **think it's important that we be here. So thank you** 22 **very much.** Page 148

1 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 2 **MR. ROSS: Good morning, and thank you for taking** 3 **time to hear our concerns. My name is Pat Ross. I'm a** 4 **corn and soybean farmer and cattle feeder from** 5 **Lawrence, Kansas, just 40 miles west of here. And I** 6 **also serve as treasurer of the Kansas Corn Commission.** 7 **Baseball, apple pie, hamburgers, sweet corn, and** 8 **ethanol, what is more American than that? Ethanol is** 9 **efficient, renewable, and 50 percent cleaner burning** 10 **than gasoline. The EPA should be especially supportive** 11 **of a cleaner-burning energy source.** 12 **Not one American life has ever been lost trying to** 13 **protect our ethanol supply. Ethanol supports** 14 **approximately 390,000 jobs in the United States and** 15 **generates over $8 billion in Federal and State tax** 16 **revenues.** 17 **As a corn grower, I appreciate the increase in** 18 **demand for my crop. We growers have met head-on the** 19 **need for food, fiber, and fuel for our country and have** 20 **also fulfilled all import needs for many other** 21 **countries of the world.** 22 **As a livestock producer, I really enjoy and**

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1 **utilize the distillers grain byproduct for use in our** 2 **cattle ration. It is high quality and a tremendous** 3 **asset to our feeding operation.** 4 **In closing, I just want to say, you know, this** 5 **isn't rocket science. It's just common sense. I ask** 6 **the EPA to fulfill their RVO requirement, as required** 7 **by law.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 10 **MR. GENGENBACH: Good morning. My name is Dennis** 11 **Gengenbach. I am a chairman of the Biofuels Committee** 12 **for the Nebraska Corn Checkoff Board and vice president** 13 **of the Ethanol Committee for the National Corn Growers** 14 **Association.** 15 **I'm a former -- former researcher at Cornell** 16 **University and now farm at Smithfield, Nebraska, no** 17 **till, raising corn and soybeans. While at Cornell, I** 18 **worked measuring hormone changes following** 19 **synchronization in cows with prostaglandin. Benzine,** 20 **toluene, and zylene were used in these assays to** 21 **measure blood hormone changes.** 22 **Every time I utilized one of these chemicals, I Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **had to work under a ventilated hood wearing protective** 2 **clothing because these chemicals are extremely toxic** 3 **and carcinogenic. Each bottle was labeled with the** 4 **skull and crossbones as a warning.** 5 **These are the same chemicals now added to gasoline** 6 **as an octane booster. After working with these** 7 **chemicals so extensively, I have annual physicals to** 8 **screen for cancer and any other possible adverse** 9 **effects.** 10 **Everyone is vulnerable to these chemicals in the** 11 **form of tiny particles in the gasoline. These** 12 **particles are known to enter the lungs and potentially** 13 **cause lung and brain cancers, asthma, and other health** 14 **issues. I worry about my grandchildren and yours** 15 **because they are breathing these chemicals while** 16 **they're waiting for their bus in the city, where there** 17 **is a concentrated use of gasoline in motor vehicles.** 18 **How can we reduce this exposure to these deadly** 19 **toxins? The answer is ethanol. While optimizing the** 20 **motors in my vehicles, I use ethanol. We are not only** 21 **cleaning up our environment, but we are also improving** 22 **mileage as a great side benefit when used in an**

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1 **optimized engine where higher–octane enhances fuel** 2 **efficiency.** 3 **As I produce a new crop of corn each year, I** 4 **utilize ethanol from my last year's production for my** 5 **pivots for irrigation. I use approximately 20,000** 6 **gallons of ethanol. I know I am not only helping the** 7 **environment, but I am using a product that I grow.** 8 **But I am also saving money each year by utilizing** 9 **this ethanol. In years such as this, where we are** 10 **operating at and in many cases below the cost of** 11 **production, we have to do what we can to save money.** 12 **It is because of ethanol's use as a fuel additive that** 13 **we have another market for my corn. We can grow enough** 14 **corn to fuel and feed the world.** 15 **My story with ethanol, which began 45 years ago,** 16 **continues today. My career began with benzene,** 17 **toluene, and zylene. I now know we need to add more** 18 **ethanol to our fuel instead of these carcinogens, which** 19 **are similar to the lead and the MTBE that were used** 20 **previously.** 21 **What I'm asking from you, the EPA, is to raise the** 22 **RFS numbers to the level Congress set in statute. The** Page 152

1 **decisions you make today impact our children,** 2 **grandchildren, and generations to come. As you set the** 3 **2014, '15, and '16 RVO numbers, I ask that you consider** 4 **corn farmers, the environment, your health, and the** 5 **health of generations to come.** 6 **Thank you.** 7 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 8 **MS. BORG: Good morning. Thank you for this** 9 **opportunity.** 10 **My name is Hannah Borg, and I'm going to be a** 11 **freshman at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. I'm a** 12 **farmer's daughter from Allen, Nebraska, a small, rural** 13 **community with a population of 410. I'm a 10-year 4-H** 14 **member and a third-year FFA member.** 15 **I am aware of how the RFS is a Federal policy that** 16 **has done what it was intended to do. It has impacted** 17 **my family and community in a positive way.** 18 **I'm the sixth generation on our 133-year-old** 19 **family farm operation, where we raise corn, soybeans,** 20 **alfalfa, and background cattle. As an FFA member, I** 21 **have also learned here are amazing career opportunities** 22 **in the agriculture field, but I also am well aware of**

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1 **the challenge my generation is tasked with, feeding 9** 2 **billion people with the same land and water we have** 3 **today.** 4 **This challenge becomes even more difficult as** 5 **rulings and regulations, such as the renewable fuel** 6 **standards, are changed. If the RFS isn't increased to** 7 **original numbers, as outlined in the statute, and** 8 **subject to annual review, as proposed, American** 9 **agriculture, rural communities, and youth like myself** 10 **will be left to wonder what might happen next?** 11 **Will I have the opportunity to return to our** 12 **community after college graduation? And with the aging** 13 **populations of farmers, who will want to return to the** 14 **farm and do the hard work?** 15 **I know farming is not for the frail, and I'm** 16 **learning more about the financial risks are huge. As** 17 **mentioned, our family farm includes backgrounding** 18 **cattle, and we feed distillers grain, a byproduct of** 19 **ethanol. Distillers has helped play an important role** 20 **in feed and our rations.** 21 **They have lowered our input costs while still** 22 **providing the world with great-tasting beef. We know Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **that beef provides a great source of protein, and with** 2 **more mouths to feed, we will need all the sources of** 3 **protein available at the lowest cost of production.** 4 **So with every kernel of corn that goes into an** 5 **ethanol plant, we're getting a renewable fuel made in** 6 **the United States, high-quality feed, and jobs. And** 7 **there is nothing wasted when ethanol is made. It is my** 8 **hope that the Environmental Protection Agency will** 9 **raise the RFS numbers to the statute that Congress** 10 **passed.** 11 **I have learned from my parents and the FFA that** 12 **working hard, keeping my word, learning how to grow** 13 **more with fewer resources, and showing the world why** 14 **American farmers can always deliver makes us the** 15 **greatest supplier of food, feed, and fuel.** 16 **In a competitive speech I researched and presented** 17 **during school, I stated ethanol may be gold, but it** 18 **produces green results. Ethanol is one of the best** 19 **tools we have to fight air pollution from vehicles,** 20 **says Mueller in a 2010 article from the Renewable Fuels** 21 **Association.** 22 **Using ethanol in place of gasoline helps reduce**

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1 **carbon dioxide emissions by an average of 34 percent,** 2 **compared to gasoline. Another fact is when corn** 3 **ethanol is used in cars instead of gas, the greenhouse** 4 **gases can be reduced from 20 to even 80 percent.** 5 **The renewable fuel standard is a commitment that** 6 **Congress made to America and youth like myself.** 7 **Personally, I simply don't understand why we wouldn't** 8 **want to do everything that we can to maintain our rural** 9 **America, provide opportunities for my generation and** 10 **future generations, and improve the air we breathe.** 11 **Now is not the time to jeopardize my future and** 12 **the futures of generations to come.** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 15 **MR. HOLZFASTER: Good morning. My name is Jon** 16 **Holzfaster. I currently am a Nebraska Corn Grower** 17 **member. I sit on the Nebraska Corn Marketing Board. I** 18 **am the third of four generations to call our southwest** 19 **Nebraska farm home. We grow corn, wheat, soybeans,** 20 **edible beans, and we feed cattle.** 21 **From my previous affiliations, I would assume you** 22 **would think that I would share some wisdom on the corn** Page 156

1 **side of the industry, but I'm going to choose to focus** 2 **on the cattle feeding side and share with you the** 3 **dependence that the cattle feeding industry has come to** 4 **depend on the ethanol industry and the value of the** 5 **distillers grain, which we like to refer to as a co** 6 **product, rather than a byproduct.** 7 **In my feedyard, I've been able to increase my** 8 **efficiencies by nearly 25 percent. This is through an** 9 **increased conversion ratio. What used to take 7 pounds** 10 **of feed to produce one marketable unit now only takes 5** 11 **pounds. It's through a more palatable and nutrient** 12 **dense feedstuff that I'm able to accomplish this.** 13 **We've got healthier cattle. The distillers grain** 14 **virtually eliminates acidosis, which was the leading** 15 **cause of loss in my feedyard. So the death loss has** 16 **been reduced phenomenally by the use of this feed** 17 **product.** 18 **I guess to kind of summarize, for me, that** 19 **anything that may cause my local supply of distillers** 20 **grain, if my local ethanol plant has to ramp down or** 21 **even shut down, it will send ripples or basically a** 22 **tsunami through the feeding industry if we lose this**

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1 **very valuable feedstuff.** 2 **I had mentioned earlier of multi-generational on** 3 **our farm, and one of the very simple bits of wisdom** 4 **that I've been imparted on me over the years was that** 5 **if it's not broke, don't fix it. You've heard it** 6 **several times today. Don't mess with the RFS. Quite** 7 **frankly, it's not broke, and it doesn't need fixed.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 10 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Okay. Thank you all for your** 11 **testimony.** 12 **Our next panel, please come up, and also Panel 18,** 13 **if you could go over to the staging chairs, please?** 14 **Steve Markham, Carson Klosterman, Jeff Enger, Kevin** 15 **Skunes, Tom Lilja, and Mike Clemens?** 16 **MS. WEBER: Good morning. Go ahead. Thank you.** 17 **MR. BLOSS: Good morning. I'll get to where I can** 18 **--** 19 **I'm Donald Bloss. I'm a sorghum, corn, and** 20 **soybean farmer from southeast Nebraska. I also serve** 21 **on the board of National Sorghum Producers, and I'm** 22 **here today to comment on the proposed renewable fuel Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **blending requirements for 2015 and 2016, which should** 2 **be raised to meet the intent of Congress, as defined by** 3 **the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.** 4 **Like I said, I'm a grain farmer. I'm kind of at** 5 **the intersection of the sorghum belt and the corn belt** 6 **in the heart of the Midwest. This has given me a** 7 **firsthand look at the effect the ethanol industry has** 8 **had on rural communities not only in Nebraska, but** 9 **across the country.** 10 **Ethanol is once our State's most steadfast** 11 **domestic market for grain and our best feedstuffs** 12 **producer, annually providing over $1 billion in** 13 **distillers grains to Nebraska's livestock. Ethanol** 14 **plants in the State also support about 1,300 direct** 15 **jobs and contribute over $50 million to the State's** 16 **business tax base.** 17 **The ethanol industry has had immeasurable impact** 18 **on my family farm. It has created opportunities for us** 19 **to grow and improve that we would not have had** 20 **otherwise.** 21 **We have two sons who have returned to the farm.** 22 **We also have two daughters. One is an attorney --**

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1 **mother of our two beautiful grandchildren, by the way -** 2 **- and one who is a loan official at a local bank,** 3 **who've also returned to our hometown. None of them can** 4 **continue to progress with the price of grain where it** 5 **is today.** 6 **We're very proud of our children wanting to return** 7 **to our hometown, but we're also very concerned about** 8 **their future here. We cannot afford the exodus of** 9 **young farmers from the farms similar to what we had in** 10 **the 1980s.** 11 **Ethanol lowers the price of the gasoline I put in** 12 **my vehicle by as much as $1 a gallon, and it reduces** 13 **the presence of smog-inducing, aromatic compounds found** 14 **in alternative octane agents. The fuel also reduces** 15 **our dependence on foreign oil, saving the U.S. economy** 16 **about $49 billion in 2014.** 17 **The intent of Congress with the Energy** 18 **Independence and Security Act of 2007 was to increase** 19 **market access for renewable fuel producers, and this** 20 **proposal does not go far enough in meeting this goal.** 21 **Therefore, I urge EPA to raise the renewable fuel** 22 **blending requirements for 2015 and 2016.** Page 160

1 **Thank you for giving me the opportunity to comment** 2 **on this.** 3 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Don. Sarah?** 4 **MS. SEXTON-BOWSER: Good morning. My name is** 5 **Sarah Sexton-Bowser, and my husband and I farm in** 6 **northeast Kansas. We raise diversified grains,** 7 **including corn and sorghum, and also manage a cow-calf** 8 **operation.** 9 **While my husband and his brother are the day-to** 10 **day managers of our farm, I work for National Sorghum** 11 **Producers as a regional field director. Key to our** 12 **ability to start a farm nearly 8 years ago is the** 13 **economic development driven through the ethanol** 14 **industry for rural America.** 15 **A Kansas legislative research report done in 2010** 16 **highlights the economic value driven by the ethanol** 17 **industry back to my State of Kansas. This report** 18 **highlights that value and quantifies it, stating that** 19 **over $2 million in real property taxes, $100,000 in** 20 **personal property taxes, $53 million to the trucking** 21 **industry, and over 380 direct jobs come through the** 22 **ethanol industry.**

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1 **Let me convey the significance of the ethanol** 2 **industry to grain farmers. Last year, the 2014 Kansas** 3 **sorghum crop was a bin-busting 199 million bushels. On** 4 **an annual basis, the Kansas ethanol industry adds value** 5 **to over 180 million bushels. Clearly, grain farmers** 6 **are seeing economic value and opportunity to our rural** 7 **communities because of the value-add applications that** 8 **ethanol offers.** 9 **Serving as a direct consumer of grain, the ethanol** 10 **industry has helped to stabilize the price of bases for** 11 **not only my farm, but also for farmers across the** 12 **country. The multiplier effect of the ethanol industry** 13 **serves to promote the development of our rural** 14 **economies.** 15 **As mentioned in your EPA regulatory announcement,** 16 **"Congress clearly intended the RFS program to** 17 **incentivize changes that would be unlikely to occur** 18 **absent the RFS program." The deviation reduction of** 19 **volume requirements in your proposed rule is a setback** 20 **to both Congress and the administration's RFS goals.** 21 **The technology and the innovation of the ethanol** 22 **industry continues to amaze all of us and has made Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **significant milestones in the past decades. Our** 2 **ability to meet the RFS goals, originally stated goals,** 3 **is directly tied to market access. Market access has** 4 **and continues to be the renewable fuel industry's** 5 **greatest limitation.** 6 **The regulatory announcement highlighted the** 7 **administration's admirable goals, including reducing** 8 **greenhouse gas, expanding the nation's fuel sector, and** 9 **reducing reliance on foreign oil. Let me add to the** 10 **list of benefits a very personal benefit, the** 11 **opportunity to live and work in rural America and start** 12 **a business with my husband and my husband's brother's** 13 **family.** 14 **The landscape of rural Kansas communities and** 15 **rural communities across the Midwest relies on value** 16 **added applications for grain production to sustain** 17 **basic community resources from schools to banks.** 18 **Thanks for the opportunity to share my concerns,** 19 **and the personal impact that the ethanol industry has** 20 **had on my family farm.** 21 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 22 **MR. DUFF: I'm John Duff, strategic business**

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1 **director for National Sorghum Producers. I'm here** 2 **today to voice my concerns over the proposed rule for** 3 **2015 and '16 blending requirements.** 4 **NSP feels EPA's proposal does not go far enough in** 5 **enforcing clear congressional will, as spelled out by** 6 **the Energy Independence and Security Act, as well as** 7 **the renewable fuel standard. Both of these were** 8 **designed primarily to help renewable fuel producers** 9 **gain market access.** 10 **The U.S. sorghum industry is made up of over** 11 **50,000 farmers, my father included. And it generates a** 12 **total annual economic activity of over $1.5 billion.** 13 **First-generation ethanol serves as a steady and fair** 14 **market for almost a third of our crop, and it is widely** 15 **seen as the reason the sorghum industry exists today.** 16 **Sorghum ethanol producers support almost 9,000** 17 **jobs and contribute over $1.2 billion to the national** 18 **GDP as they take a relatively low-value, raw product in** 19 **grain sorghum and turn it into multiple high-value** 20 **commodities in fuel ethanol and distillers grains,** 21 **among others.** 22 **Sorghum distillers grains are about 40 percent** Page 164

1 **protein, making them the smart choice in feed** 2 **ingredients among cattle feeders, swine feeders, and** 3 **dairymen. These markets recognize this value and have** 4 **structured their operations around the product.** 5 **The octane value in ethanol is also undeniable,** 6 **and refiners are using this to their advantage,** 7 **capturing a larger amount of value themselves while** 8 **also passing on significant savings to consumers. And** 9 **this says nothing of ethanol-based octane's impact on** 10 **our national security and health.** 11 **In 2014, we needed 515 million fewer barrels of** 12 **foreign oil because of ethanol, and we took the $49** 13 **billion we could have sent to individuals and** 14 **organizations that want to destroy America and invested** 15 **it in cleaner-burning alternatives that have measurable** 16 **impact on air quality.** 17 **Ethanol is a value proposition to all involved,** 18 **from feeder to farmers and refiners to American** 19 **consumers. National Sorghum Producers encourages EPA** 20 **to enforce congressional will and raise 2015 blending** 21 **requirements to the level set forth by the Energy** 22 **Independence and Security Act and the renewable fuel**

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1 **standard.** 2 **Thank you for the opportunity to comment.** 3 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 4 **MR. JANTZEN: My name is Vern Jantzen. I'm the** 5 **vice president of the Nebraska Farmers Union.** 6 **Thank you for this opportunity to share my** 7 **organization's view of the recent EPA announcement for** 8 **2014, 2015, and 2016 ethanol production targets.** 9 **As vice president, it is my job today to present** 10 **the testimony of the Nebraska Farmers Union that** 11 **represents 5,671 farm and ranch families and has been** 12 **championing their interests for 102 years. Nebraska** 13 **Farmers Union continues to be the State's leading** 14 **advocate for all kinds of renewable energy,** 15 **development, and utilization, including our efforts to** 16 **establish the Nebraska Ethanol Board that began in the** 17 **mid 1960s.** 18 **So first let's look at timing. EPA is inexcusably** 19 **late with their decision. EPA was under obligation to** 20 **set the production targets and propose and finalize the** 21 **rules well before the 2014 production year began to** 22 **give the ethanol industry the certainty it needs to Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **prepare for the next year.** 2 **The 2014 production year has already come and** 3 **gone. The 2015 rules will not finalized until the year** 4 **is almost over. It remains to be seen if the proposed** 5 **rule is finalized before the 2016 production year** 6 **begins. In our view, EPA's failure to set production** 7 **targets in advance of production years is very** 8 **disappointing and damaging to the ethanol industry by** 9 **virtue of the uncertainty it creates.** 10 **Next, let's look at production levels. EPA flat** 11 **out blew the setting of targets. We believe the** 12 **proposed targets are not consistent with the intent of** 13 **Congress. In our view, EPA bought a bogus blend wall** 14 **problem argument from the oil industry.** 15 **The oil industry is the source of any real or** 16 **imagined blend wall problem by virtue of the fact that** 17 **they have failed to make higher retail ethanol blend** 18 **options available to the consuming public. They have** 19 **denied fuel consumers the ability to purchase E85, E30,** 20 **and E15 blends, and then claimed there is a blend wall** 21 **problem. EPA's proposed production targets rewards the** 22 **oil industry for dragging their feet on the retailing**

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1 **of higher-grade ethanol blends.** 2 **Finally, in summary, EPA's proposed ethanol** 3 **production targets are not consistent with the** 4 **administration's efforts to reduce the carbon emissions** 5 **that drive global warming, not consistent with the** 6 **intent of Congress, not consistent with our nation's** 7 **efforts to improve air quality, and not consistent with** 8 **the needs of production agriculture and rural America** 9 **that is facing a dramatic downturn in commodity prices** 10 **for corn.** 11 **EPA's proposed production targets hurt our ethanol** 12 **industry and our nation's corn producers and the rural** 13 **communities that we live in. We urge EPA to pull back** 14 **their proposed rule and stick with the 15 billion** 15 **gallon targets for 2015 and 2016.** 16 **Thank you again for the opportunity to testify** 17 **today.** 18 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 19 **MR. NELSON: Good morning. My name is Steve** 20 **Nelson. I'm president of the Nebraska Farm Bureau, and** 21 **I'm here testifying today on behalf of both Nebraska** 22 **Farm Bureau and the American Farm Bureau Federation.** Page 168

1 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify and** 2 **provide production agriculture's perspective on the** 3 **proposed rule.** 4 **I farm with my son near Axtell, where we raise** 5 **corn, soybeans, and hybrid seed corn. Scott represents** 6 **the sixth continuous generation farming in Kearney** 7 **County, Nebraska. Our farm is located near a farmer** 8 **owned and farmer-managed ethanol facility that is the** 9 **primary market for the majority of the corn grown** 10 **around it.** 11 **We are also located in the heart of Nebraska's** 12 **vital cattle feeding industry, the largest in the** 13 **nation. In our area, we complete the golden triangle** 14 **of corn production, which includes both ethanol and** 15 **livestock facilities. This story is not unique to** 16 **Nebraska, however, and this synchronization of corn,** 17 **ethanol, and livestock production is repeated all over** 18 **this great nation.** 19 **Let me be clear. EPA's decision not to follow the** 20 **intent of Congress when it developed the RFS in 2007 is** 21 **highly disappointing to all of agriculture. As you** 22 **have heard and will continue to hear for the rest of**

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1 **the day, renewable fuels, and more specifically corn** 2 **based ethanol, has been a tremendous success story for** 3 **our nation as a whole and for Nebraska's economy in** 4 **particular.** 5 **According to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln,** 6 **the ethanol industry in our State provides $5 billion a** 7 **year to Nebraska's economy. The RFS has reduced our** 8 **country's dependence on foreign crude oil, reduced air** 9 **pollution, increased farm incomes, and has provided** 10 **good-paying jobs across rural America. EPA's proposal** 11 **is a step in the wrong direction and ignores the** 12 **benefits that ethanol and biofuels have provided.** 13 **As the second-largest producer of ethanol in** 14 **Nebraska -- or in the nation, Nebraska is also home to** 15 **a number of business which produce products related to** 16 **the ethanol -- to ethanol production. You heard** 17 **earlier about the trip that Governor Ricketts from** 18 **Nebraska took to Europe and the visit with Novozymes in** 19 **Denmark and how they have made the determination that** 20 **because of the uncertainty that there is because of the** 21 **proposal from EPA related to the RFS, that they're** 22 **choosing not to expand in Nebraska at this time. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **This is very concerning to us, and it's only one** 2 **example of how EPA's failure to meet the bio blending -** 3 **- biofuels blending objectives under the RFS standard** 4 **has -- as outlined by Congress doesn't just affect** 5 **Nebraska farmers, but other hard-working citizens** 6 **across the nation as well.** 7 **Thank you.** 8 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Steve.** 9 **Any questions?** 10 **(No response.)** 11 **MS. WEBER: No? Thank you.** 12 **Panel 18, come up.** 13 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And I'll ask the** 14 **representatives for Panel 20 to also please go over to** 15 **the staging area, please. Gabe Corey, Mick Henderson,** 16 **Greg Olsen, Mark DeVries, Steve Murphy, William Howell,** 17 **and Jim Galvin.** 18 **MR. MARKHAM: Good afternoon. My name is Steve** 19 **Markham, and I'm here to speak on behalf of CHS, Inc.** 20 **Thank you for holding this hearing in the middle** 21 **of the country to give the public an opportunity to** 22 **share its thoughts on your RFS proposal.**

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1 **I'm a senior trader in charge of distillers dried** 2 **grain for CHS, the nation's largest farmer-owned co-op.** 3 **We are headquartered at Inver Grove Heights,** 4 **Minnesota, and are owned by over 600,000 producers** 5 **across the country.** 6 **CHS is a globally integrated Fortune 100 company** 7 **involved in many different lines of business, including** 8 **crop nutrients, grain marketing services, animal feed,** 9 **insurance, financial and risk management services, and** 10 **food and food ingredients. We are also a major** 11 **supplier of energy to rural America. CHS is the** 12 **nation's largest cooperative refiner, with refiners** 13 **located in Montana and just west of here in McPherson,** 14 **Kansas.** 15 **We are also a major marketer of renewable fuels,** 16 **and with recent purchases of two plants in Illinois, we** 17 **are now a major producer of renewable fuels. CHS owns** 18 **the Cenex energy brand, which includes a network of** 19 **1,400 convenience stores.** 20 **As both a fossil fuel refiner and a producer of** 21 **renewable fuels, as well as fuel retailer, CHS has a** 22 **unique perspective on the renewable fuel standard that** Page 172

1 **I would like to share with you. But first, some brief** 2 **background.** 3 **CHS was one of the first in the industry to offer** 4 **ethanol-blended fuels and the first to allow E85 and** 5 **mid-level ethanol fuels under our branded canopy.** 6 **Today, we are the leading retailer of branded E85, and** 7 **last year, CHS moved nearly 1 billion gallons of** 8 **ethanol to domestic customers and a growing number of** 9 **international destinations.** 10 **Regarding your blending proposal, let me say up** 11 **front that CHS supports a stronger renewable fuel** 12 **standard. We support the RFS because it supports** 13 **American farmers and because it is setting the U.S.** 14 **renewables industry on a path to economic viability.** 15 **The RFS has proven vital to the rural economy.** 16 **Ethanol production supports the price of corn, and** 17 **accounts for nearly 400,000 jobs in rural America.** 18 **Ethanol also provides CHS additional market opportunity** 19 **to add domestic and global value to our farmer owners.** 20 **We also believe ethanol will continue to serve as** 21 **a key component of our global energy platform as an** 22 **excellent, cost-effective oxygenate and octane booster**

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1 **for our refined fuels. Ethanol is a key part of the** 2 **supply chain for both agriculture and petroleum, and** 3 **the RFS is needed to ensure it remains that way.** 4 **CHS supports the flexibilities that have been** 5 **built into the RFS, such as those that allow the EPA to** 6 **consider the fluctuation in actual consumption and** 7 **production levels. We believe the annual blending** 8 **requirements should be set with a focus on long-term** 9 **impacts on the economy rather than short-term crop and** 10 **market conditions.** 11 **We also strongly urge the EPA to set these** 12 **blending requirements statutory -- by statutory** 13 **deadlines. Delays in the requirements have caused** 14 **unnecessary uncertainty for our growers and ethanol** 15 **producers. They also contribute to the volatility of** 16 **RINs, which increases cost for refineries.** 17 **On a final note, CHS is a member of some of the** 18 **renewable fuels and petroleum industry associations** 19 **present here. We appreciate their work and represent** 20 **interests in the respective industries. However, we** 21 **are concerned that the effort to influence EPA,** 22 **Congress, and the public on the merits or faults of the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **RFS has confused our customers about the proper use of** 2 **ethanol.** 3 **The public deserves a single set of facts backed** 4 **by science, recognized by the fuels and vehicle** 5 **manufacturers of the industries. That gives them** 6 **confidence in the choice they make. We urge all** 7 **parties affected by the RFS to work together on an** 8 **advocacy plan that recognizes both the usefulness of** 9 **ethanol as well as the realities and challenges of the** 10 **nation's transportation fuel infrastructure.** 11 **Thank you.** 12 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Steve.** 13 **MR. KLOSTERMAN: Good afternoon to you all.** 14 **Before voicing my thoughts regarding the proposed rule** 15 **on RVO and RFS, I'd like to introduce myself.** 16 **I'm Carson Klosterman. I farm in a partnership** 17 **with my wife, Haley, and we farm alongside my father,** 18 **Tom, and older brother Tyler. I'm here on behalf of** 19 **the North Dakota Corn Growers, representing** 20 **approximately 1,300 members throughout our State. And** 21 **we believe that the ethanol industry has been to date** 22 **the best successful economic development for rural**

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1 **America.** 2 **Let's take a moment to look at the ethanol** 3 **industry at a mile-high view. What you see are several** 4 **industries capitalizing with one another, developing** 5 **the rural economy to what you see today. It's a domino** 6 **effect, from the individual who sells a property to** 7 **build the ethanol plant to the land value increasing** 8 **due to the building of the facility, to the tax --** 9 **increase on the tax rates on the property, which** 10 **translates to more school revenue.** 11 **You have a construction company, which would hire** 12 **local residents to build the facility, local** 13 **businesses, such as gravel pits, ready-mix concrete** 14 **plants, power companies, rural water districts** 15 **supplying the materials to build and run it. Hotels,** 16 **gas stations, restaurants, all of these benefit from** 17 **workers and activities.** 18 **Along with providing immediate short-term economic** 19 **growth, it supplies long-term growth as well. To name** 20 **a few, the good-paying, middle-class jobs for those who** 21 **run the facility, local millwright and crane crews** 22 **coming to do repairs and maintenance, trucking** Page 176

1 **companies moving products in and out of the facility,** 2 **and the livestock industry getting an excellent cost** 3 **effective feed source for their animals.** 4 **The ethanol industry also promotes economic rural** 5 **development by producing factories outside of the** 6 **cities, giving Americans reasons to move away from the** 7 **urban areas. Creating these facilities in rural** 8 **settings and spaced randomly throughout America also** 9 **could benefit in times of war and peace.** 10 **From 2008 to 2012, North Dakota corn industry has** 11 **contributed $9.73 billion to the economy. We have 5** 12 **ethanol plants with an average of 50 workers, salaries** 13 **of $45,000 to $48,000, and those 250 people use a total** 14 **of 163 million bushels of corn, produce 435 million** 15 **gallons of ethanol, and 1.3 million tons of distillers** 16 **grains for high-quality livestock feed. And North** 17 **Dakota fuel stations on percent basis are selling more** 18 **than the current mandated rate.** 19 **The numbers I've just briefly touched on emphasize** 20 **that ethanol has been the single-largest factor in** 21 **rural development, and I will leave you with this** 22 **question. Now that the ethanol industry is up and**

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1 **running, subsidy free, producing more gallons than** 2 **currently stated in the RFS, would you take the legs** 3 **out from underneath its steady forward pace?** 4 **Thank you for this opportunity to testify.** 5 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 6 **MR. ENGER: For the record, my name is Jeff Enger.** 7 **I serve in North Dakota Corn Grower Board. I farm** 8 **8,000 acres in partnership with my brother, son, and** 9 **nephew near Marion, North Dakota. We also operate a** 10 **thousand-head feedlot with hoop barns.** 11 **The feedlot was a $700,000 investment for our** 12 **operation. Our feedlot is located within 17 miles of a** 13 **65 million gallon per year ethanol plant that just went** 14 **into production in May of 2015.** 15 **I want to focus on three points that the renewable** 16 **fuel standard and ethanol has meant to our farming** 17 **operation and rural community -- real economic** 18 **improvement, sustainability, and lessening our carbon** 19 **footprint.** 20 **First, in my long farming career, there has not** 21 **been one single policy that has done more to revitalize** 22 **our area than the renewable fuel standard. In the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **1980s, with low market prices, we lost an entire** 2 **generation of farmers. The RFS has reversed the trend** 3 **of young people leaving rural areas.** 4 **Since 2005, 14 young persons have come back to our** 5 **community to farm. This has added young families to** 6 **our rural school districts and our local churches. We** 7 **have also seen a large build-out of grain-handling** 8 **infrastructure with the increased yields that corn has** 9 **proven in our area.** 10 **Secondly, ethanol production has allowed our farms** 11 **to become more sustainable. We purchase the high** 12 **protein wet distiller grains, or DDGs, a co-product of** 13 **the ethanol production process, to feed our cattle.** 14 **DDGs are a high-quality and high-value feed product to** 15 **our operation. The cattle have allowed us to diversify** 16 **our operation so that we are not exposed strictly to** 17 **the risk of grain market prices.** 18 **The manure from our feedlot fertilizes 1,000 of** 19 **our crop acres. On these acres, we have eliminated the** 20 **need for phosphorous. We have also reduced our** 21 **nitrogen and potassium needs. The livestock manure has** 22 **an increased -- has also increased our soil organic**

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1 **matter.** 2 **Thirdly, ethanol production has reduced our carbon** 3 **footprint as we meet the demands of a growing world** 4 **population and is environmentally friendly in air** 5 **quality improvements. The EPA recognizes that corn** 6 **ethanol provides a 21 to 52 percent greenhouse gas** 7 **reduction compared to ordinary gasoline.** 8 **Global ethanol production and use is estimated to** 9 **reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 100 million metric** 10 **tons in 2012, according to energy experts, the** 11 **equivalent of taking 20.2 million vehicles off the** 12 **road.** 13 **In conclusion, I want to state that reduction in** 14 **corn ethanol volumes will threaten the economic** 15 **viability of corn growers and ethanol producers and** 16 **will diminish the reductions in greenhouse gas** 17 **emissions that we have recently seen. Our local rural** 18 **communities will suffer.** 19 **I ask that you return to the original renewable** 20 **volume obligation, as intended by Congress.** 21 **Thank you for your time.** 22 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** Page 180

1 **MR. CLEMENS: Good afternoon. Mike Clemens is my** 2 **name. I (audio gap) production of ethanol. That's** 3 **part of the key that we see in North Dakota to educate** 4 **the consumers in our State about using ethanol.** 5 **Instead of going up to "What's that yellow hose all** 6 **about," you're teaching them all about using it.** 7 **Anyway, on behalf of the council, we'd like to** 8 **voice our concern regarding the recent proposal for the** 9 **rule of the 2014-'16 RVOs as a requirement or part of** 10 **the RFS which keeps RVOs below the statutory levels.** 11 **The ethanol industry plays an important role in our** 12 **State's diverse energy sector, and the proposed rule** 13 **would be detrimental to our State's economy.** 14 **With this type of proposal, the administration is** 15 **quitting on the 15th year of the certainty of the RFS.** 16 **In fact, one of the last plants that got built in the** 17 **State of North Dakota had a permit that was issued 2** 18 **years ago by the EPA as an RFS2 certified ethanol plant** 19 **to get into that next level of marketing. And so, it's** 20 **very efficient. It's a low carbon facility.** 21 **So we've done our part by expanding our production** 22 **in our State, doing it the best we can and the most**

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1 **efficient way we can, lowering our carbon footprint.** 2 **We've talked a lot about jobs in the State. A lot** 3 **of people have hit on that from other States. It is no** 4 **different in the State of North Dakota. Major jobs** 5 **with good salaries and employment.** 6 **It seems like consumer savings is a real ticket** 7 **here, what we're trying to get across to everybody.** 8 **The one gal this morning talked about the savings with** 9 **her car, picking up the yellow hose, E15.** 10 **You know, on our way down today, I looked at the** 11 **different prices. We stopped at a blender station.** 12 **Sixty-two cents a gallon between E85 and E15, 9 cents a** 13 **gallon between E15 and E10, 25 cents a gallon between** 14 **E10 and super.** 15 **Other stations we went to, there was a 30-cent** 16 **spread between unleaded gasoline and 10 percent blend.** 17 **Can you imagine if we had all these stations all with** 18 **flex-fuel pumps and blender pumps in them how much more** 19 **we could increase the volume of ethanol into the** 20 **consumers' hands, saving them a minimum of $1,000 to** 21 **$1,500 a year, depending on their driving.** 22 **The dependence on foreign oil never goes away. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **You know, we went from 35 to 28 percent in the last few** 2 **years with the use of ethanol into the marketplace.** 3 **That is a huge, quite an undertaking for the ethanol** 4 **industry and the farmers who supply the corn to the** 5 **industry and the new generation of ethanol. So we ask** 6 **for a reconsideration on your proposals and stick to** 7 **the original statutory levels.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 10 **MR. SKUNES: Good afternoon. My name is Kevin** 11 **Skunes. I'm a fourth-generation farmer from Cass** 12 **County, North Dakota.** 13 **On behalf of the North Dakota Corn Growers** 14 **Association, let me thank you for the opportunity to** 15 **testify on an issue so important to us.** 16 **In 2009, our State legislature invested in the** 17 **future of ethanol by passage of game-changing** 18 **legislation, which included $1 million in grants for** 19 **biofuel blender pumps. This legislation was unique.** 20 **Its sponsors were the majority and minority leaders in** 21 **the State House of Representatives and Senate. In a** 22 **time of political gridlock, all sides came together to**

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1 **move both the agriculture and energy industries forward** 2 **by partnering North Dakota's cornfields with our oil** 3 **fields.** 4 **Thanks to North Dakota Corn Growers and the State** 5 **of North Dakota, we know boast over 200 blender pumps** 6 **throughout the State, and the use of biofuels has risen** 7 **by an impressive amount despite naysayers trying to** 8 **pretend otherwise.** 9 **One of the arguments that you have heard today is** 10 **that there is a 10 percent blend wall that cannot be** 11 **exceeded due to market constraints. Petro Serve USA, a** 12 **local fuel distributor in North Dakota, has numbers,** 13 **which I will provide with you today, that shows this** 14 **just isn't the case.** 15 **Two of our State's major fuel markets are Fargo** 16 **and Bismarck-Mandan. Fargo has three pipelines which** 17 **converge and has traditionally had the lowest wholesale** 18 **gasoline prices in the State. Bismarck-Mandan, which** 19 **is served by a single facility, has traditionally been** 20 **15 to 20 cents per gallon higher than Fargo.** 21 **In reviewing the Petro Serve USA numbers for the** 22 **Fargo stores that distribute E15 and other mid-level** Page 184

1 **ethanol blends, the overall ethanol volume sales for** 2 **comparable months show a 9.18 percent market share in** 3 **2013, increasing to 12.54 percent in 2015. However,** 4 **the Bismarck-Mandan numbers really deserve your** 5 **attention.** 6 **As a higher-priced fuel market, the numbers show a** 7 **jump from 10.0 percent -- 10.09 percent in January 2013** 8 **to 17.26 percent in April of 2015. Looking at their** 9 **overall market, numbers for E15 and mid-level ethanol** 10 **blends are consistently over the 12 percent volume.** 11 **This number alone indicates that a blend wall really is** 12 **a false pretense.** 13 **By enacting a sound public policy, ethanol will** 14 **continue to meet consumer demand of quality product at** 15 **an affordable price. That's why today we ask you to** 16 **consider recent actions and be bold leaders in setting** 17 **new, higher volume obligations. Doing so will be a** 18 **win-win for our nation overall, as it has been the case** 19 **in our State.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 22 **MR. SKUNES: Tom Lilja could not make it today.**

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1 **He was on this panel.** 2 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you. Thank you to** 3 **the panel.** 4 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 5 **MS. WEBER: Next panel come up, please.** 6 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And then also we'd ask our** 7 **Panel 22 representatives -- Michael Whitney, Danielle** 8 **Brannan, Bob Morton, Scott Williams, Tom Brooks, and** 9 **John Kruse -- if you could please come over to our** 10 **panelist staging area?** 11 **Thank you.** 12 **MS. WEBER: All right. Gabe, go ahead.** 13 **MR. COREY: Good afternoon. My name is Gabe** 14 **Corey. I am the commodities and risk manager for** 15 **Carbon Green BioEnergy. We produce ethanol in Lake** 16 **Odessa, Michigan, that is distributed across the State** 17 **and nationally.** 18 **I want to focus my testimony on the job-creating** 19 **benefits of ethanol, discuss our opportunity to** 20 **leverage higher-blended ethanol fuel on the market, and** 21 **urge you to ensure that the renewable volume** 22 **obligations for each year under the RFS are set to the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **statutory amount.** 2 **We're proud of the many positive economic impacts** 3 **of our facility, and job creation is at the top of that** 4 **list. At Carbon Green BioEnergy, we employ more than** 5 **40 local workers in high-skill positions. Across our** 6 **State, more than 22,000 jobs are connected to the** 7 **production of renewable fuels like ethanol.** 8 **In addition to the jobs we create, Carbon Green** 9 **BioEnergy has a far-reaching impact on our local** 10 **economy. We use corn grown on more than 500 Michigan** 11 **farms, all within a 2-hour drive of our facility to** 12 **produce our ethanol.** 13 **We also contract locally for as many services as** 14 **possible. This includes everything from professional** 15 **services like banking, advertising, to office supplies,** 16 **uniforms, to industrial needs like welding and** 17 **pipefitting. We buy Michigan made and American made** 18 **first.** 19 **We are more advanced and sustainable than ever,** 20 **putting our facility on a strong pathway to growth into** 21 **the future. I also want to emphasize the work we've** 22 **done to bring higher-blend ethanol fuels to the market.**

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1 **We are working hard to offer consumers alternative** 2 **choices at the fuel pump.** 3 **For example, we created the yellow hose campaign** 4 **in Michigan to market higher-blend ethanol products,** 5 **including E15, E30, and E85. We have worked closely in** 6 **partnership with retailers and consumers to promote** 7 **these higher blends. These efforts have worked, and** 8 **they'll continue to work if statutory RVO amounts are** 9 **in place.** 10 **Our company is proof that when we partner with** 11 **retailers to make higher-level ethanol blends available** 12 **to consumers, they overwhelmingly choose ethanol** 13 **blended fuels. And when they do, they can save money** 14 **at the pump while choosing a cleaner-burning fuel that** 15 **reduces greenhouse gas.** 16 **But our future success depends on the RFS. With** 17 **so many economic and environmental benefits coming from** 18 **Michigan-made ethanol, now isn't the time to roll back** 19 **a policy that has allowed the U.S. biofuel industry to** 20 **grow and expand.** 21 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify.** 22 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** Page 188

1 **MR. HENDERSON: Hi. I'm Mick Henderson, general** 2 **manager at Commonwealth Agri-Energy, a 35 million** 3 **gallon a year ethanol plant in Hopkinsville, Kentucky.** 4 **I thought about keeping to a tight script, and I** 5 **thought about making three valid points. And everyone** 6 **has so many details, I think I'll stick with the three** 7 **valid points, okay?** 8 **You can hear all the details from everyone, but I** 9 **think you heard from our Senator Whitney Westerfield** 10 **earlier about how it's been a success story for our** 11 **business, for our community, for agriculture in western** 12 **Kentucky, and we're very proud to be part of an** 13 **integrated part of agriculture. And you hear that all** 14 **over the country.** 15 **I can say it's not just in Iowa. It's in western** 16 **Kentucky, and you heard from a gentleman from Texas.** 17 **It's wherever corn can be raised. It's wherever** 18 **agriculture can take root and grow. We can also be** 19 **part of the fuel supply.** 20 **The EPA's proposal for 2014 through 2016 violates** 21 **the law, and it contradicts Congress' intent. You** 22 **can't -- I'm not a lawyer. You can't understand the**

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1 **details of that maybe without a lot of work and a lot** 2 **of time. So let's just say if we stay to the intent of** 3 **the law, do we not do better for the country? Do we** 4 **not do better for urban areas as well as ag areas? I** 5 **think we do.** 6 **EPA may grant a waiver request based on inadequate** 7 **domestic supply of renewable fuel only when it finds** 8 **that the renewable fuels industry lacks the capability** 9 **to produce it. I think we've proven we can produce it.** 10 **The EPA needs to understand that consumers deserve** 11 **a choice at the pump. Ethanol is cheaper, cleaner** 12 **burning, renewable, American made. The EPA should** 13 **maintain the statutory requirements of the RFS.** 14 **If you know where our plant is, Hopkinsville,** 15 **Kentucky, it's about 20 miles due north of Fort** 16 **Campbell, the Army installation where 101st Airborne** 17 **Division and others essential to the security and** 18 **safety of this nation are housed. In fact, our plant** 19 **is right on the lineup for the C-5, C-130s coming in** 20 **from Europe and the Middle East when they straighten** 21 **out to land.** 22 **On 9/11, Air Force One found safe haven with Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **President Bush onboard at Fort Campbell. So we're** 2 **really proud of that installation in our community, and** 3 **those soldiers fight and die for Middle Eastern oil.** 4 **So we're really proud to be part of that solution that** 5 **can be homegrown and part of agriculture that can't be** 6 **shipped overseas and can't be held hostage.** 7 **Thank you.** 8 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 9 **MR. OLSEN: Good afternoon. My name is Greg** 10 **Olsen. I'm the general manager of POET Biorefining** 11 **Corning in Corning, Iowa.** 12 **At our plant, we have 44 full-time employees who** 13 **together worked to produce 73 million gallons of** 14 **ethanol and over 207,000 tons of animal feed last year.** 15 **We pay over $480,000 in taxes to the county, and we're** 16 **an active member in the local community.** 17 **There have been a lot of statements made here** 18 **today, both for and against the proposed rules issued** 19 **by the EPA. I've heard a lot of angry people speak up.** 20 **Instead of banging my fist on the table or pointing my** 21 **finger, I hope to use my short time here to provide a** 22 **picture of why I'm so concerned about the future of my**

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1 **plant and the small town our team so dearly loves.** 2 **The company I work for, POET, recently launched** 3 **the first of its kind cellulosic facility in** 4 **Emmetsburg, Iowa. It's not too far from Corning. In** 5 **conversations I've had with executives from our** 6 **corporate headquarters back in 2013 and earlier, they** 7 **spoke about how I would need to prepare our plant to** 8 **build on a new cellulosic project in the future.** 9 **I was not the only POET general manager to have** 10 **those discussions. In fact, all of us across the 27** 11 **POET plants were told that cellulosic would be the** 12 **future of our facilities and that we each would be** 13 **turning both corn and biomass into ethanol in the very** 14 **near future.** 15 **For Corning, that would mean a whole new plant** 16 **constructed and a lot of new jobs created. It would** 17 **mean new revenues for our 1,860 farmer suppliers and** 18 **more trucks that need driving to bring the biomass to** 19 **our facility.** 20 **Since those initial conversations, the talk has** 21 **taken a decidedly different turn, a turn for the worse,** 22 **unfortunately. Now I hear from my executives words** Page 192

1 **like "regulatory uncertainty" and "lack of market** 2 **access" and "unclear path to commercialization."** 3 **I'm told the original proposal for the 2014 RVO** 4 **and this current version are the cause of that** 5 **uncertainty and that I should be prepared that a** 6 **cellulosic plant in Corning is unlikely to materialize** 7 **unless "EPA fixes the rule." If this is the case, then** 8 **the only request I have for you today is please do** 9 **whatever you can to assure those in charge at POET feel** 10 **there is enough certainty to keep rolling out new** 11 **plants.** 12 **If what is on those 100 pages of the RVO proposal** 13 **is not strong enough, please make it stronger. Our** 14 **company and our town has done everything that has been** 15 **asked of us under the RFS. We have created a** 16 **significant amount of American-made fuel that is** 17 **cheaper and cleaner for American drivers, and we are** 18 **ready to do more.** 19 **Give our company's leadership the confidence it** 20 **needs to build, and Corning will make sure a cellulosic** 21 **plant is up and producing even cleaner biofuels in the** 22 **future.**

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1 **Thank you for your time and attention.** 2 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 3 **MR. MURPHY: Good afternoon. My name is Steve** 4 **Murphy, and I am the general manager for two POET** 5 **biorefining plants. One is located in Laddonia,** 6 **Missouri, and the other in Macon, Missouri. These are** 7 **2 of the 27 POET plants in the country.** 8 **Between these two plants, we have 90 full-time** 9 **employees who together worked to produce 105 million** 10 **gallons of ethanol, 300,000 tons of animal feed last** 11 **year. Additionally, both plants produce corn oil,** 12 **liquefy carbon dioxide, and co-generate 25 megawatt** 13 **hours of combined heat and power electricity for the** 14 **grid through a partnership with our local rural** 15 **electric co-ops.** 16 **Both plants are over 80 percent owned by local** 17 **farmer investors who supply the corn and sorghum we** 18 **process. We employ dozens more people indirectly and** 19 **did over $300 million of economic activity in 2014,** 20 **which has a very big impact in rural counties like** 21 **ours.** 22 **I am here to make one and only one point today. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **What this proposed rule does will harm those who have** 2 **tried to abide by the renewable fuel standard as passed** 3 **and reward those who have sought to stymie its purpose** 4 **since day one. I ask you to take a step back and ask** 5 **yourselves should the men and women who have worked** 6 **hard and invested to make these ethanol plants a** 7 **reality be penalized while oil companies get their wish** 8 **and maintain the 90 percent mandate for gasoline,** 9 **otherwise known as the blend wall?** 10 **Much is made over the supposed 10 percent mandate** 11 **for biofuels, but rarely, if ever, do you hear these** 12 **rules referred to as a 90 percent mandate for oil.** 13 **When the RFS was passed, the people in our industry** 14 **were given a promise. Produce clean fuels, and there** 15 **will be a place for them in the marketplace.** 16 **Perhaps we are a bit too honest here in this part** 17 **of the country, but we thought a deal was a deal. So** 18 **our industry went ahead and built out the capacity to** 19 **supply 15 billion gallons of renewable fuel.** 20 **Now with this rule, the EPA is saying, well, yes,** 21 **that is what the legislation said, but the oil** 22 **companies, also known as the obligated parties, aren't**

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1 **quite as obligated to use your renewable fuel as you** 2 **were led to believe.** 3 **Meanwhile, we hear about the blend wall and how** 4 **they can't sell the fuel and don't control the retail** 5 **sector. Are you really suggesting that the** 6 **sophisticated marketers that the oil companies employ** 7 **can't find a way to incentivize retailers to buy and** 8 **offer mid-level blends?** 9 **The standard ethanol blend in Brazil is now 27.5** 10 **percent ethanol. How can a developing country like** 11 **Brazil convert all their infrastructure and vehicles to** 12 **run on 27.5 percent ethanol and the USA can't even** 13 **manage 15 percent ethanol with cars from the same** 14 **automakers?** 15 **One must assume Brazil also has boats and small** 16 **engines. How can Brazil accomplish the seemingly** 17 **impossible feat and the USA can't?** 18 **Cut through all the jargon and the rhetoric and** 19 **the soundbites and what are you left with? A rule that** 20 **tells oil companies they don't have to lift a finger to** 21 **comply with the statute. Oil companies are rewarded** 22 **for limiting competition.** Page 196

1 **You also heard our investor corn farmers who are** 2 **trying to break even with a record corn supply, reduced** 3 **Government crop subsidies, and corn prices at a 5-year** 4 **low. You are telling the people that built out the** 5 **biofuel supply chain to produce the over 15 billion** 6 **gallons called out in the law that they lose for** 7 **trusting the Government to apply the law as written.** 8 **So on behalf of all of my teammates, my town, and** 9 **my industry, let's get this law back on track. On** 10 **behalf of rural America, lower fuel prices, higher** 11 **octane performance, and cleaner air, let's do what we** 12 **set out to do and build diversity and competition into** 13 **the fuels market.** 14 **And on behalf of all Americans, let show some** 15 **foresight and do it while oil prices are low so that** 16 **when fuel prices come back up, consumers have an option** 17 **to deal with them.** 18 **Thank you.** 19 **MR. GALVIN: Good afternoon. My name is Jim** 20 **Galvin. I'm going to try and bring a bit of Irishness** 21 **to proceedings here.** 22 **Lakeview Energy is an Irish-owned agribusiness and**

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1 **renewable energy company based in Chicago with** 2 **investments in two biorefineries, Plymouth Energy in Le** 3 **Mars, Iowa, and Three Rivers Energy in Coshocton, Ohio.** 4 **I am the CEO of the company, and I'm also one of the** 5 **owners of the business.** 6 **I believe the U.S. is the envy of many countries** 7 **around the world for enacting a policy as successful as** 8 **the renewable fuel standard in helping to rejuvenate** 9 **agriculture and rural communities, along with providing** 10 **food and clean, renewable fuel to consumers and for** 11 **breaking down the monopoly enjoyed by big oil for** 12 **decades in the fuel industry. And guess what? It** 13 **requires absolutely no subsidies.** 14 **I want to applaud the politicians and Government** 15 **agencies that had the foresight, the courage, and the** 16 **vision in 2005 and 2007 to enact the renewable fuel** 17 **standard. Despite all the dire predictions made from** 18 **some of the so-called experts that are still around the** 19 **place today, this has been a true success story of** 20 **American ingenuity and hard work. We make products** 21 **that are truly made in America.** 22 **Why did we choose to invest in the U.S.? We liked Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **the way business was conducted here and the scale and** 2 **potential in agriculture. What really amazed me was** 3 **the fact that we could produce and ship ethanol from Le** 4 **Mars, Iowa, to Ireland cheaper than what we could** 5 **produce it for in Ireland.** 6 **The U.S. biofuels industry today continues to be** 7 **the cheapest, lowest-cost producer of this renewable** 8 **fuel in the world. But apart from those attributes,** 9 **one of the key reasons we chose the U.S. was because of** 10 **stable government and, more importantly, stable** 11 **policies to ensure that when businesses invest, they** 12 **will not have to deal with political risks that exist** 13 **in many other countries.** 14 **The renewable fuel standard is not a sprint. It's** 15 **a marathon. We, as owners in this industry, have put** 16 **our trust in the policies put in place by Government.** 17 **Let's hope that Government and its agencies hold up to** 18 **its end of the bargain and that it can see beyond the** 19 **misguided information peddled out there by big oil and** 20 **food companies whose sole interest is to protect their** 21 **monopolies, preserve their profits, and deny consumers** 22 **access to cleaner, cheaper, renewable fuel.**

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1 **I will leave you with a famous quote from Harold** 2 **R. McAlindon. "Do not follow where the path may lead.** 3 **Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."** 4 **I would ask you to take that path. Thank you.** 5 **(Applause.)** 6 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 7 **MR. DEVRIES: Good afternoon. My name is Mark** 8 **DeVries, and I work for POET Ethanol Products in** 9 **Wichita, Kansas. We are the marketing arm of POET,** 10 **LLC, and in this role, we market ethanol for 34 ethanol** 11 **refineries, including POET's 27 plants.** 12 **The EPA indicated in its proposed rule that it** 13 **encourages both the rollout of advanced biofuel** 14 **production and investment in the infrastructure needed** 15 **to distribute higher blends of ethanol. We have** 16 **reviewed the proposed rule and conclude that these** 17 **stated goals will not be accomplished.** 18 **With this rule, there remains little to no** 19 **incentive for the obligated parties that control 50** 20 **percent of the retail supply chain to make investment** 21 **in new blending equipment. In addition, the lack of** 22 **infrastructure stifles investment in cellulosic** Page 200

1 **production by creating uncertainty in market access for** 2 **cellulosic ethanol gallons.** 3 **When the RFS was passed in 2007, it was** 4 **anticipated that there would be investment required to** 5 **break through the E10 blend wall. In theory, the EPA** 6 **approval of E15 for the majority of vehicles in the** 7 **U.S. made meeting the statutory blending levels much** 8 **easier, and yet today, the number of retail stations** 9 **offering E15 remains negligible despite the fact that** 10 **ethanol is less expensive than petroleum blend stock** 11 **and provides higher octane.** 12 **The EPA has mistakenly interpreted the lack of E15** 13 **consumption as lack of consumer demand. In reality,** 14 **consumers are prevented from buying E15 because the** 15 **major oil companies refuse to allow market access.** 16 **None of the major brands allow E15 to be offered** 17 **under their standard brand agreements and do not offer** 18 **E15 blends at their blending terminals for their** 19 **unbranded customers. The handful of private brands** 20 **that have made voluntary investments in the** 21 **infrastructure required to offer E15 are proof that** 22 **meeting the statutory RFS volumes is not only possible,**

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1 **it is profitable.** 2 **The reduction in the RFS volumes will also have a** 3 **chilling effect on future investment in ethanol** 4 **cellulosic production. To date, POET and other** 5 **producers have invested hundreds of millions of dollars** 6 **in this area in the belief that the RFS would remain** 7 **intact and there would be a market for their** 8 **production.** 9 **These are long-term decisions based on consistent** 10 **energy policy. By reducing the RFS volumes and** 11 **providing no incentive for infrastructure development,** 12 **the EPA has signaled that additional investment in** 13 **cellulosic ethanol production is not justified.** 14 **The RFS was intended to be a forward-looking** 15 **regulation that fostered increasing amounts of** 16 **renewable fuels through a combination of targets and** 17 **market incentives. It was not meant to be a backward** 18 **looking accounting exercise that placed the burden of** 19 **infrastructure investment solely on the biofuels** 20 **community.** 21 **We respectfully request the EPA to reconsider and** 22 **revise the renewable volume obligations to their Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **original statutory levels.** 2 **Thank you.** 3 **MS. WEBER: Thank you. Paul?** 4 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Yeah, thank you all for your** 5 **testimony, and it's not a question really. It's just a** 6 **request.** 7 **Last year, POET had a grand opening of a facility** 8 **in Emmetsburg. I had the opportunity of participating** 9 **and going there. It's great. It's a very impressive** 10 **facility. I would like that you would carry back a** 11 **request from the agency to give us an update on the** 12 **status of when that facility is actually going to be** 13 **producing any ethanol.** 14 **So I understand there are some technical issues** 15 **they've been going through, but it'd be good for us to** 16 **have that updated as we go into setting our final** 17 **standards.** 18 **Thank you.** 19 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you.** 20 **Next panel, Panel 22?** 21 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And also if Panel 24** 22 **representatives could please come up to the staging**

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1 **area over on your right? Steve Nogel, Anthony Bush,** 2 **Chad Kemp, and Jed Bower.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MS. WEBER: All right, Michael. You get to go** 5 **first.** 6 **MR. WHITNEY: Well, good afternoon. My name is** 7 **Michael Whitney. I work for Musket Corporation.** 8 **Musket Corporation is the supply and trading arm** 9 **of the Love's Travel Stops and Country Stores. Love's** 10 **is headquartered in Oklahoma City, and we operate a** 11 **nationwide chain of 288 travel stops and truck stops,** 12 **as well as 61 convenience stores. We're in 40 States.** 13 **Quite simply, we sell fuel to truckers, and that's** 14 **what we're here to talk about is the impact that the** 15 **RFS has on our customers and why biodiesel is important** 16 **to us. We're not environmentalists. We sell fuel to** 17 **truckers. You'll hear me say that a lot.** 18 **We do it because it is cheaper, and as part of our** 19 **commitment to our customers to provide the most** 20 **competitively priced fuel, we put biodiesel into the** 21 **fuel. As part of that promise, they demand typically** 22 **discounts for biodiesel blended into the diesel fuel.** Page 204

1 **So it's a very virtuous circle.** 2 **We have a cheaper feedstock to put into what we** 3 **sell at the stores, and we pass that on to our** 4 **customers. When we pass on discounts to customers,** 5 **that's not just, hey, these guys got a cheaper tank of** 6 **gasoline. This means that they are able to transport** 7 **goods back and forth from the market to the grocery** 8 **store and everywhere else to make goods cheaper** 9 **throughout the country. So it has a very virtuous** 10 **effect on the overall economic environment.** 11 **The other thing that this does is it puts pressure** 12 **on our other primary supplies, which are petroleum** 13 **companies, who we buy a lot of diesel from. To the** 14 **extent that we are buying less diesel from the** 15 **petroleum companies and buying more biodiesel, we're** 16 **putting more pressure for them to meet lower price** 17 **points to try to come and meet our demand on price.** 18 **The other thing I want to talk to you about was** 19 **just how the RINs work in this market. As part of my** 20 **job there, I actually have to buy and sell and transact** 21 **these things. So many people on the panels who've** 22 **spoken today talk about RINs in the sort of theoretical**

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1 **point of view, but I actually transact them and have** 2 **transacted several million of them today as part of our** 3 **risk management.** 4 **The RIN in the biodiesel program is a part that is** 5 **working. It's a clearing mechanism for the price via** 6 **supply and demand. When the RIN prices are high, it** 7 **incentivizes people to produce more biodiesel and blend** 8 **more biodiesel, which creates more supply and drives** 9 **them down. Thus, it comes back into equilibrium around** 10 **where the RVO targets are set.** 11 **The other thing to think about on the biodiesel** 12 **RIN perspective is it is a very beneficial RIN for the** 13 **rest of the RIN complex. We like to call the biodiesel** 14 **RIN the O-negative blood of the RIN world because you** 15 **can freely donate it to the other categories. And if** 16 **you run into other rigidities around the supply chain,** 17 **whether they be an ethanol blend wall, you can use** 18 **biodiesel and D4 RINs to go help alleviate some of the** 19 **shortcomings because of the nestings in the categories.** 20 **As we look at the proposal set forth right now,** 21 **there is some consternation on whether or not these** 22 **targets are big enough or too big, et cetera. We think Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **that the numbers are extremely conservative.** 2 **Unlike other fuels that have been talked about** 3 **today, we have plenty of capacity existing and being** 4 **built at this stage to put more biodiesel into the fuel** 5 **supply. Across our 300-plus stations, we're doing** 6 **around 6 to 7 percent of biodiesel into our total fuel** 7 **supply, and we have existing idle capacity, and we have** 8 **more capital projects online without having to add more** 9 **facilities.** 10 **In summary --** 11 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Could you grab that other** 12 **microphone? I think your battery went.** 13 **MR. WHITNEY: So, in summary, what I'd like to say** 14 **is that the biodiesel mandate is working because it's** 15 **working for Love's and Love's customers. It makes our** 16 **diesel cheaper. It also makes fuel more available in** 17 **times of inclement weather, extreme weather conditions,** 18 **and that the targets set forth are easily achievable** 19 **with the existing infrastructure.** 20 **Thank you for your time.** 21 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 22 **MR. MORTON: Hello. My name is Bob Morton. I**

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1 **represent Newport Biodiesel, the only biodiesel** 2 **producer in Rhode Island and one of several small** 3 **producers in the New England area.** 4 **I'm also a member of the governing board of NBB.** 5 **In that role, I have helped to draft our response to** 6 **the RFS rulemaking process.** 7 **I'm aware of the complexity of establishing RVOs** 8 **for the next several years, but I'd like to present** 9 **some basic principles that I feel should guide EPA in** 10 **establishing future RVO values.** 11 **First and foremost, EPA should recognize and** 12 **emphasize that the primary objective of the RFS is to** 13 **reduce greenhouse gas emissions through the use of** 14 **advanced biofuels. This is stated clearly in the** 15 **executive summary of the proposed rule, and it should** 16 **be the driving force behind the final volumes proposed.** 17 **However, that concept tends to get lost in the** 18 **many machinations of the rulemaking process. I** 19 **personally believe that climate change is the defining** 20 **issue of our time and that the RFS is an important step** 21 **in addressing that issue. Climate change was the main** 22 **reason that I joined with others to form Newport** Page 208

1 **Biodiesel, with the goal of producing a clean fuel that** 2 **would help to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in Rhode** 3 **Island while creating substantial number of green jobs.** 4 **For several years, we were quite successful in** 5 **expanding our business. Then -- and 2013 was our best** 6 **year by far, as a robust RFS and the biodiesel blenders** 7 **tax credit combined to create a strong market for** 8 **biodiesel.** 9 **Then, in 2014, EPA proposed RVOs that were well** 10 **below what the biodiesel industry had already proven it** 11 **could produce, and the tax credit expired. This** 12 **created an extremely difficult business climate that** 13 **caused many small producers like us to close and from** 14 **which we are still struggling to recover.** 15 **We appreciate that EPA has improved the RVO** 16 **numbers and that the volumes increase with time.** 17 **However, these volumes remain well below what the** 18 **industry can produce, and they are far from an** 19 **aggressive approach to expanding biodiesel production.** 20 **There is little we can do regarding 2014 and '15, but** 21 **we can take a more aggressive stance on 2016 and '17.** 22 **NBB has proposed a very reasonable 2.4 billion**

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1 **gallons for 2016 and 2.7 for 2017. I feel these** 2 **volumes should be strongly considered. Anything less** 3 **than 2 billion gallons per year certainly misses the** 4 **opportunity to help meet the climate change objectives** 5 **of this administration.** 6 **A second concept that must be considered is the** 7 **effect of imported biodiesel on a domestic industry.** 8 **It is critical that EPA be realistic in addressing the** 9 **potential for much more biodiesel to be imported in the** 10 **coming years. Unless EPA accounts appropriately for** 11 **this increased volume, small producers, such as Newport** 12 **Biodiesel, will be soon priced right out of the market.** 13 **I have heard EPA estimates of imported biodiesel** 14 **to be in the vicinity of 100 million gallons per year,** 15 **but I'm sure that NBB will provide definite evidence** 16 **that the potential for such impacts -- imports is three** 17 **or four times higher.** 18 **As a growing industry operating in a market** 19 **dominated by the heavily subsidized oil industry,** 20 **biodiesel needs a strong RFS. I urge EPA to listen to** 21 **this evidence and to be more aggressive in specifying** 22 **appropriate RVOs to make the RFS a truly important tool Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **in addressing climate change.** 2 **Thank you.** 3 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 4 **MS. WEBER: Thank you, Bob.** 5 **DR. KRUSE: Esteemed EPA team members, my name is** 6 **John Kruse. I am the principal and director of** 7 **quantitative analysis for a company called World** 8 **Agricultural, Economic, and Environmental Analysis. We** 9 **provide quantitative analytical support to many** 10 **different industries, including agricultural companies** 11 **and biofuels companies.** 12 **Thank you for the opportunity to comment on EPA's** 13 **proposed rule.** 14 **Since 2005, I've been analyzing biofuels policies** 15 **in the United States and internationally, particularly** 16 **focusing on their effects on agricultural markets.** 17 **Over the past 6 years, I have provided econometric** 18 **modeling support to the National Biodiesel Board to** 19 **objectively measure the implications of alternative** 20 **volume obligations, the blenders credit, the blend** 21 **wall, international biofuels policies, and other market** 22 **issues on both the biofuels and agricultural sectors**

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1 **globally.** 2 **In order to measure these impacts in an** 3 **increasingly complex global biofuels marketplace, my** 4 **team and I utilize the WAEES global agricultural and** 5 **biofuels partial equilibrium modeling system. The** 6 **model includes 45 countries and regions that capture** 7 **all of global agriculture and the biofuel sectors in** 8 **the 12 countries and regions accounting for the** 9 **majority of biofuels production and use.** 10 **The model includes over 30 agricultural** 11 **commodities, as well as ethanol and biodiesel. Our** 12 **U.S. biofuels models are very complex, simulating** 13 **supply and demand in the RIN markets and their** 14 **interrelationship with biodiesel and ethanol and** 15 **ultimately agricultural markets. The WAEES model** 16 **captures the inner working of biofuel feedstock markets** 17 **and measures the impact that volume obligations have on** 18 **these markets, accounting for the sectors that compete** 19 **for the same feedstocks.** 20 **I have placed some emphasis on the mechanics of** 21 **the WAEES model because the biofuels markets and** 22 **feedstock markets must balance competing demand and** Page 212

1 **supply at an equilibrium price. In short, the model** 2 **does not allow one to cheat in the sense of drawing** 3 **more feedstocks into one sector without having** 4 **implications for competing demands in feedstock prices.** 5 **Today, I'd like to briefly highlight the** 6 **implications of an alternative scenario to the proposed** 7 **biodiesel volume obligations. The alternative scenario** 8 **included a biodiesel volume obligation of 2.1 billion** 9 **gallons in 2015, 2.4 billion gallons in 2016, and 2.7** 10 **billion gallons in 2017.** 11 **As you are aware, the biodiesel industry has** 12 **greatly diversified its feedstock mix over the past few** 13 **years, and most notably, distillers corn oil is a** 14 **growing source of supply for biofuels. Distillers corn** 15 **oil is primarily used as an energy source in livestock** 16 **rations and with falling grain prices is expected to** 17 **find higher value in biodiesel production.** 18 **In addition, as per your January 2015** 19 **announcement, the Argentine biodiesel sector now has** 20 **increased ability to earn D4 RINs, even as other** 21 **international markets for Argentine biodiesel have** 22 **diminished. The available Argentine supply, in**

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1 **combination with abundant distillers corn oil and other** 2 **feedstocks, lessens the impact of increased volume** 3 **obligations on feedstock prices.** 4 **In this scenario, with a 2.7 billion gallon volume** 5 **obligation in 2017, the WAEES model simulates soybean** 6 **oil prices in the range of 34 to 35 cents per pound.** 7 **By comparison, soybean oil prices exceed 50 cents per** 8 **pound in 2011-'12 and 2012-'13 marketing years.** 9 **The prices have fallen in the past few years and** 10 **are expected to average 33 cents for 2014 and '15.** 11 **Thank you for your attention.** 12 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 13 **MS. BRANNAN: My name is Danielle Brannan. I'm a** 14 **longtime employee of New Leaf Biofuel, a small refinery** 15 **in San Diego that converts used cooking oil into** 16 **biodiesel.** 17 **As a small company -- oh, sorry, lost my place** 18 **already. As a small company that is producing the** 19 **lowest carbon fuel of any biofuel company in the world,** 20 **I'm here today to discuss how the RFS volumes proposed** 21 **for 2016 and 2017 will likely lead to very negative** 22 **consequences for our company. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **When I was hired in 2010, the RFS was just getting** 2 **off the ground, and we had 12 employees. In 2012, we** 3 **began a multimillion dollar project to increase** 4 **production. By early 2013, we had 28 employees, and we** 5 **enjoyed our most prosperous year ever.** 6 **And then the 2014 NPRM was proposed. In a matter** 7 **of months, New Leaf went from producing 24 hours a day,** 8 **7 days a week, and never being able to make enough** 9 **biodiesel to laying off a third of our staff.** 10 **Ironically, but sad, one year ago today, on June** 11 **25, 2014, every half hour, I watched my CEO walk** 12 **another employee and another friend of mine out the** 13 **door, both with tears in their eyes. We lost 10** 14 **employees that day.** 15 **That horrible day was a direct result of there** 16 **being more biodiesel supply than demand. When EPA** 17 **makes our market smaller, as you did in 2014, then** 18 **biodiesel made from used cooking oil is often the first** 19 **casualty, which means my company is the first to close** 20 **its doors.** 21 **In 2014, we were forced to scale back the plant,** 22 **and we watched as other plants that produce used**

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1 **cooking oil biodiesel went out of business. This is** 2 **why we are so concerned about the proposed rule. If** 3 **our goal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and the** 4 **EPA has demonstrated numerous times that that's its top** 5 **priority, then it's extremely important that the EPA** 6 **get the numbers right for biomass-based diesel and** 7 **other advanced biofuels.** 8 **We worry that the 2016-'17 RVO will lead to a** 9 **repeat of June 25, 2014. In 2013, the industry** 10 **produced 1.8 billion gallons, the same number now** 11 **proposed for 2016, and in 2013, Argentina didn't have a** 12 **pathway into the U.S. for biodiesel.** 13 **We understand that the EPA intends for biodiesel** 14 **to also contribute to the advanced pool, but we are** 15 **very concerned that this volume will be met by** 16 **sugarcane ethanol, putting more pressure on the blend** 17 **wall. Or we will face ships passing in the night,** 18 **sugarcane ethanol from Brazil bound for the U.S.** 19 **passing a South American-bound vessel with corn** 20 **ethanol, burning bunker fuel the whole way.** 21 **The proposed 2015 number is a full 10 percent less** 22 **than 2013 production. Your agency just released the** Page 216

1 **May 2015 production number for biomass-based diesel,** 2 **169.4 million, which can be annualized at 2.03 billion.** 3 **The EPA repeats numerous times in the proposal** 4 **that it intends to stimulate growth in the D4 category,** 5 **but these May numbers show that the 2016-'17 proposed** 6 **volumes are not strong enough to do that.** 7 **We're very lucky to have survived the last 12** 8 **months. If we hadn't dramatically scaled back a year** 9 **ago, we wouldn't be here right now. We hope the EPA** 10 **will reconsider the 2016 and '17 proposals to what our** 11 **industry originally proposed, 2.4 and 2.7 billion** 12 **gallons.** 13 **On behalf of small biodiesel plants across the** 14 **country, please reconsider how your proposal will** 15 **stifle production of biodiesel from recycled sources.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 18 **MR. BROOKS: Good afternoon. I'm Tom Brooks,** 19 **general manager of Western Dubuque Biodiesel, located** 20 **in Farley, Iowa.** 21 **Our company, a 30 million gallon facility,** 22 **provided the first new hiring opportunity in our town**

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1 **of 900 in the past 15 years. These are well above** 2 **average pay jobs. Currently, we have a payroll of** 3 **$1.65 million for our employees and another contract of** 4 **$2.2 million for our leased drivers.** 5 **The market will only support half the biodiesel** 6 **currently produced based on your proposed RVO with the** 7 **industry projected imports included. This means** 8 **potentially half our industry will be either laid off** 9 **or terminated for this year and next. This means for** 10 **my facility a $2.5 million to a $4 million loss in** 11 **revenues in 2015.** 12 **In 2014 -- or 2013, we projected what our volumes** 13 **and losses would be based on the proposed RVO. We** 14 **projected a $3.8 million loss, and I'm here today to** 15 **tell you we suffered a $3.2 million loss because of the** 16 **proposed RVO that was released in 2013.** 17 **Our company and its 557 local investors is** 18 **disappointed in the EPA's proposed biodiesel RVO for** 19 **2015 and '16. EPA's most recent proposal is a step in** 20 **the right direction, provides some growth for** 21 **biodiesel, but it does not go far enough.** 22 **The proposed increase to 1.9 billion gallons in Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **2017 is only slightly higher than the biodiesel** 2 **industry's record production of 1.8 billion gallons in** 3 **2013. For the final rule, I'm asking you for** 4 **additional growth of at least 2 billion gallons for** 5 **2016 and 2.3 billion gallons for 2017 to account for** 6 **these added imports.** 7 **It's clear that the EPA has chosen a winner and a** 8 **loser if the proposed RVO is not changed to account for** 9 **the growing imports. Biodiesel, that has done** 10 **everything that has been asked of it as an industry,** 11 **will be the clear loser with this proposal. The** 12 **petroleum industry and importers will thrive under this** 13 **proposal.** 14 **I'm a U.S. Air Force officer veteran who served in** 15 **the Gulf, and I'm concerned about improving U.S. energy** 16 **security. The biodiesel industry is increasing** 17 **domestic energy production, diversifying fuel supplies,** 18 **and expanding domestic refining capacity so that we're** 19 **not so vulnerable to global oil markets and associated** 20 **refining bottlenecks.** 21 **This improves U.S. energy security because no** 22 **matter how much oil we discover domestically, consumers**

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1 **will continue to be at the mercy of heavily manipulated** 2 **global petroleum prices until we have diversity in our** 3 **market.** 4 **Biodiesel is not ethanol. The gasoline pool is** 5 **shrinking while the diesel pool is growing. If your** 6 **goal is to address the blend wall, then you've** 7 **dramatically missed the mark.** 8 **You can generate a workable, responsible, and** 9 **stable program for biodiesel that grows gradually** 10 **without compromising the RFS. Place more gallons in** 11 **the biomass-based category with less in the advanced.** 12 **This will minimize the sugarcane imports and provide** 13 **market certainty for U.S. biodiesel plants.** 14 **Thank you for your time.** 15 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 16 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 17 **MR. NOGEL: My name is Steve Nogel, and I work for** 18 **Ag Processing, Inc., as vice president for renewables.** 19 **Thank you for the opportunity to share our** 20 **company's view on the importance of biodiesel and the** 21 **Federal policies that enable the industry.** 22 **AGP is a farmer-owned cooperative and a major** Page 220

1 **processor and refiner of soybeans and soybean oil in** 2 **the United States with operations and facilities in** 3 **seven States and internationally. AGP is one of the** 4 **nation's leading biodiesel producers and feedstock** 5 **providers with combined production capacity over 120** 6 **million gallons of biodiesel.** 7 **The biodiesel industry has created thousands of** 8 **jobs and provides clean-burning and high-performance** 9 **transport fuel for our country. The industry needs** 10 **regulatory stability in a multiyear framework to** 11 **maximize production capabilities. However, recent** 12 **delays in the implementation of the RFS has led to** 13 **uncertainty and hardship for U.S. biodiesel producers.** 14 **Lost economic activity, reduced commodity prices,** 15 **and layoffs at many of these production facilities has** 16 **resulted. Thus, we appreciate and pleased with the** 17 **proposed 2014, '15, '16, and '17 biomass-derived diesel** 18 **renewable volume obligation proposals detailed in your** 19 **current RFS rulemaking. The rulemaking appropriately** 20 **recognizes the vital contribution biodiesel plays in** 21 **our nation's energy and agricultural economies, and the** 22 **proposed growth of the obligations over a multiyear**

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1 **period for the biomass-derived diesel RVO beyond 1.28** 2 **billion gallons is appreciative.** 3 **However, we believe the biodiesel industry can** 4 **grow beyond 1.9 billion gallons and that it was** 5 **Congress' specific intent to provide the EPA with** 6 **options to stimulate the domestic biodiesel industry.** 7 **Various mechanisms inside the statute recognize that** 8 **the RFS RVOs should accurately reflect our current** 9 **industry's realities and production capability levels** 10 **in future years.** 11 **That being said, we hope that any attempt by EPA** 12 **to create growth opportunity through the RFS should** 13 **recognize that the RFS is primarily a domestic fuels** 14 **policy. From a competitiveness perspective, the EPA** 15 **should not intentionally or unintentionally support** 16 **foreign producers of biodiesel at the expense of our** 17 **domestic industry.** 18 **For example, multilateral organizations such as** 19 **the World Trade Organization have deemed practices such** 20 **as differential export taxes for Argentine-produced** 21 **biodiesel is trade distorting. Such fuel should not** 22 **qualify for the RFS. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **In addition, in the terms of volume, if the RVO** 2 **numbers do not reflect the actual import levels from** 3 **foreign biodiesel producers or massively underestimate** 4 **them, then the RVO numbers are not the right numbers** 5 **and, in fact, could lead to many bad outcomes, such as** 6 **loss of jobs and a decrease in commodity prices.** 7 **Biodiesel has been an outstanding success story** 8 **for our country and rural America. Please do all you** 9 **can to continue to appropriately grow this vital** 10 **industry in a responsible manner.** 11 **Thank you.** 12 **MS. WEBER: Thank you.** 13 **MR. NOGEL: And I was in Panel 24, and she moved** 14 **me to 22.** 15 **MR. HENGST: Got it. Thank you.** 16 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: We just updated over here.** 17 **(Laughter.)** 18 **MS. WEBER: All right. Thank you to the panel.** 19 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 20 **MS. WEBER: Next panel, please come up.** 21 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Will Panel 26 representatives** 22 **please come up to your right over there along the wall**

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1 **for the staging area? That's Bob Bowman, Lynn Chrisp,** 2 **Amy Gregor, Bill Steffen, Jay Paul MacIntosh, and Jeff** 3 **Gutz, or Gutz.** 4 **MR. HENGST: All right. Please go ahead. Thank** 5 **you.** 6 **MR. TEGELS: Good afternoon. My name is Jerry** 7 **Tegels, and I am the ethanol team leader for Buckman** 8 **North America, and I live in Ankeny, Iowa.** 9 **Buckman is a third-generation, privately owned** 10 **company based in Memphis, Tennessee. We are a** 11 **specialty chemical manufacturer and are a supplier to** 12 **the ethanol industry, as well as many other industries,** 13 **including pulp and paper, power generation, refining,** 14 **chemical plants, et cetera.** 15 **Buckman is very supportive of the biofuels** 16 **industry. We are members of Growth Energy, Renewable** 17 **Fuels Association, the American Coalition for Ethanol,** 18 **Iowa Renewable Fuels Association, as well as other** 19 **groups. We participate in trips to Washington, D.C.,** 20 **to lobby for the industry, and we also advocate for the** 21 **industry in other ways.** 22 **I and pretty much everyone else at Buckman are** Page 224

1 **very passionate about the success of biofuels in the** 2 **U.S. I invested in the industry for several reasons.** 3 **I grew up in northwest Iowa and still have** 4 **relatives that farm in the area. I've seen the** 5 **benefits of ethanol and biodiesel industries in rural** 6 **America. In the past 15 years, the ethanol industry is** 7 **one of the few growth industries in the rural parts of** 8 **the Midwest. Ethanol is green, and it is better for** 9 **the environment than oil-derived fuels.** 10 **The ethanol industry is a true American success** 11 **story. I have seen high-paying job opportunities for** 12 **engineers and other professionals in the rural areas** 13 **where these people have grown up and where many of** 14 **these plants are located.** 15 **Ten to 15 years ago, these people may have been** 16 **working in the southern or western U.S. and have been** 17 **able to relocate back to the rural Midwest since there** 18 **are now good jobs for them there. I travel to plants** 19 **all over the country and all over North America and** 20 **have seen the same thing happen, whether it's in Iowa** 21 **or Minnesota, or Tennessee or California, or wherever.** 22 **Being a vendor to the industry, we have many good**

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1 **jobs, good-paying jobs in the Midwest and at our** 2 **headquarters in Memphis that can be positively or** 3 **negatively affected by the ethanol industry. Jobs in** 4 **the field, like my own, as well as purchasing,** 5 **management, production, research and development, and** 6 **product development jobs are all affected in some way.** 7 **Our company is one of hundreds of vendors to this** 8 **industry, and an uncertain ethanol industry will** 9 **negatively affect many companies, not just the ethanol** 10 **plants and the corn suppliers. The uncertainty created** 11 **by the delays in issuing the RVO has stifled growth in** 12 **the ethanol industry, especially with respect to** 13 **cellulosic and advanced ethanol production.** 14 **In summary, a strong ethanol industry and biofuels** 15 **policy is good for everyone, from economic,** 16 **environmental, and national security standpoints.** 17 **Thank you for taking the time to listen to me and** 18 **to all the speakers today.** 19 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 20 **DR. WILLIAMS: I was on Panel 22 and didn't get** 21 **that memo about the switch. So I'm sitting in Steve's** 22 **seat now. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **My name is Dr. Scott Williams. I serve as the** 2 **managing director of the Omaha Biofuels Cooperative, a** 3 **member-owned and operated group with the mission to** 4 **produce, use, and promote biofuels in order to reduce** 5 **the use of fossil fuels. We work with local restaurant** 6 **partners to collect used cooking oil and recycle it** 7 **into biofuels, including biodiesel.** 8 **The members of our cooperative do the work to** 9 **produce our fuel, and the members can then use our fuel** 10 **in our own cars, trucks, and other engines. We started** 11 **doing this 7 years ago because we want, we need better** 12 **fuel, and it just isn't available where we live and** 13 **work.** 14 **Biofuels are better. Our fuels are clean burning,** 15 **renewable, locally produced, nontoxic, nonflammable,** 16 **nonvolatile, noncarcinogenic, biodegradable, and carbon** 17 **neutral. By contrast, out of that entire list,** 18 **petroleum fossil fuels don't meet a single one of those** 19 **descriptions.** 20 **I thank you for organizing this hearing today, all** 21 **of you from the EPA, the Environmental Protection** 22 **Agency. And I'm asking you to do your duty to the**

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1 **mandate of your namesake, to protect the environment.** 2 **The way to do this is simple. Raise the RFS.** 3 **The Omaha Biofuels Cooperative strongly supports** 4 **efforts to encourage research, development,** 5 **demonstration, and deployment of advanced biofuels for** 6 **our society. RFS has been a fundamental, essential** 7 **tool on that path. Please don't backslide now. Don't** 8 **cut the volumes of biofuels in the RFS.** 9 **Our cooperative isn't the biggest fuel producer** 10 **you'll hear from today, and it's pretty likely that** 11 **we're the smallest. We pay fuel taxes, State and** 12 **local, on every gallon we produce, but we've never** 13 **claimed a tax credit, blender credit, or subsidy.** 14 **We've never sold a RIN. So we probably don't end up in** 15 **any of the biofuels gallon totals.** 16 **We started our cooperative to meet local demand** 17 **for clean biofuels. We responded to signals, signals** 18 **just like the RFS sentence to encourage producers to** 19 **expand production capacity.** 20 **If you want to cut the limits because of the claim** 21 **that production capacity can't meet the volumes, we** 22 **will make sure that our admittedly modest capacity is** Page 228

1 **counted in the total from here into the future. We** 2 **will help prove that we can make the fuels that** 3 **Americans want and need. What I ask of you is that the** 4 **biomass diesel RVO be set at no less than 2 billion** 5 **gallons in 2016 and 2.3 billion gallons in 2017.** 6 **Thank you for your time.** 7 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 8 **MR. KEMP: My name is Chad Kemp. I'm representing** 9 **the Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers Association. I'm from** 10 **Lewisburg, which is in southwest Ohio, where I proudly** 11 **farm corn, soybeans, and wheat with my wife, my** 12 **parents, my children.** 13 **My wife and I also have two children at the ages** 14 **of 1 and 3 who enjoy being outside and spending time** 15 **with Daddy on the farm. We hope they will have the** 16 **opportunity to farm with us as they grow into adults,** 17 **eventually taking over our roles on the farm.** 18 **I am here today to offer my displeasure with the** 19 **proposal of the renewable volume obligations numbers in** 20 **the renewable fuel standards for '14, '15, and '16.** 21 **While I appreciate the concerns over the E10 blend** 22 **wall, let's not forget the day that the Energy**

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1 **Independence and Security Act of 2007 was passed.** 2 **We all knew that we would need renewable fuel** 3 **blends much higher than 10 percent to reach the goal of** 4 **36 billion gallons of renewable fuel by 2022. This** 5 **arbitrary decision to lower the RVO numbers** 6 **incentivizes the obligated parties to continue to use** 7 **the E10 blend wall as a red herring and drag their feet** 8 **on building infrastructure to expand the availability** 9 **of cleaner, more domestic renewable fuels.** 10 **As a farmer, outdoorsman, and environmentalist, I** 11 **treasure rural America. I cannot begin to tell you how** 12 **much the RFS has benefitted my community, and I am hard** 13 **pressed to think of another policy in my lifetime that** 14 **has had a more positive effect on rural America.** 15 **As a full-time farmer with other commitments and** 16 **responsibilities to my community, along with my wife,** 17 **who is a kindergarten teacher, I've seen firsthand the** 18 **positive effects that the RFS has had on rural America.** 19 **The RFS has certainly helped bring about a new corn** 20 **market for my corn and, as a result, has increased the** 21 **value of America's farm land.** 22 **While I'm not here to advocate for higher taxes, Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **we have seen significant increases in taxes from** 2 **farmers like me, which directly benefit my local** 3 **schools and my community. By not increasing the RFS, a** 4 **potentially real unintended consequence will be** 5 **devaluation of farm land throughout America, shrinking** 6 **an already overstressed rural tax base and taking** 7 **resources away from my school, my local government, and** 8 **my community.** 9 **The RFS has been a tremendous success and** 10 **continues to reach many of the goals it set out to** 11 **achieve. The more renewable fuels we use, the more we** 12 **reduce greenhouse gas emissions, decrease our reliance** 13 **on foreign energy sources, lower gasoline prices for** 14 **consumers, thus keeping billions of dollars here in our** 15 **economy, stabilize the tax base in rural America, and** 16 **continue to keep the door open for new innovations for** 17 **other renewable fuels.** 18 **At the end of the day, this decision will penalize** 19 **the American consumer. Let's not take a knee-jerk** 20 **reaction to issues that we can overcome. We farmers** 21 **continue to step up and answer all the calls for the** 22 **demands of our products.**

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1 **We will produce a corn crop this year that even** 2 **after all the needs have been met for food, livestock** 3 **feed, ethanol, and exports, we will have enough corn** 4 **left over to fill the Empire State Building 66 times.** 5 **It is food and fuel, not food versus fuel.** 6 **I am proud of my small role in helping America and** 7 **providing for our energy needs. Let's not scale back** 8 **on a resoundingly successful program in the RFS.** 9 **Thank you for your time and consideration and** 10 **giving me the opportunity to share some thoughts with** 11 **you.** 12 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 13 **MR. BUSH: Hello. My name is Anthony Bush. I'm** 14 **here representing the Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers as** 15 **well.** 16 **I'm also a grain farmer from Mount Gilead, Ohio,** 17 **where I farm 1,400 acres of corn, soybeans, and wheat** 18 **along with my wife, Teresa, who works off the farm; my** 19 **daughter, Amanda, who is 19 and a junior at The Ohio** 20 **State University majoring in ag communications; as well** 21 **as my son Darren, who is a junior at Mount Gilead High** 22 **School with aspirations of some day returning to the** Page 232

1 **family farm.** 2 **I will make just a few points here in my time** 3 **today. Number one, this is kind of how I see this** 4 **here. When the RFS was signed into law, the Federal** 5 **Government in effect entered into a contract with the** 6 **American farmer. They asked us to produce enough corn** 7 **to meet a growing demand for renewable fuel to help us** 8 **reduce our dependence on foreign oil from countries** 9 **that hate us.** 10 **The American farmer rose to this challenge and** 11 **held up our end of the deal. By moving forward with** 12 **this RVO proposal, the Federal Government has pulled** 13 **the rug out and not held up their end.** 14 **Every farmer I know has invested heavily to meet** 15 **this demand. Farmers have added grain storage, bigger,** 16 **newer, faster, higher-tech equipment, more semis, built** 17 **more machine shops to maintain their investments. All** 18 **this translates into jobs. The agriculture industry** 19 **has never been stronger with help from the RFS.** 20 **I strongly believe without a shadow of a doubt** 21 **that nothing Washington, in all of its infinite wisdom,** 22 **has ever done has brought more of the next generation**

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1 **back to the farm more than the RFS. People already do** 2 **not like the words "factory farm" or "corporate farm,"** 3 **but if you proceed with this RVO proposal, you could** 4 **very well be spelling the end of the family farm.** 5 **Thank you.** 6 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 7 **MR. BOWER: Good afternoon. My name is Jed Bower.** 8 **I am also here representing Ohio Corn and Wheat** 9 **Growers.** 10 **I am a grain farmer from Washington Court House in** 11 **central Ohio. We farm 1,000 acres of corn and soybeans** 12 **with my wife and kids.** 13 **Two of the things I dislike are being away from my** 14 **family and being away from my farm. I am here before** 15 **you today, away from my farm and away from my wife and** 16 **kids, and that is how important the RFS is to me and** 17 **all the corn producers in this country.** 18 **We had an extreme drought in 2012, and it drove** 19 **the price of corn through the roof and had many** 20 **livestock farmers screaming mad and blaming the high** 21 **input cost on ethanol. However, this anger was** 22 **misplaced. The drought drove up the corn prices, not Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **ethanol.** 2 **Since then, we have seen a bumper crop of grain,** 3 **and the price of corn has dropped from what it was in** 4 **2012 to between $3.50 and $4 a bushel locally today,** 5 **much lower than what it costs to produce. These prices** 6 **are declining even with the RFS and ethanol industry in** 7 **place, highlighting once again that there are so many** 8 **other factors contributing to the corn price.** 9 **We in the agriculture industry need access to all** 10 **the markets for our products that we can get, and not** 11 **increasing the RFS just opens the door to a massive** 12 **oversupply of the corn, artificially cheapening it, and** 13 **that will hurt us all. I strongly feel that changing** 14 **the renewable fuel standard will create an atmosphere** 15 **allowing for an oversupply of milk, beef, poultry, and** 16 **pork and once again make it hard to make a decent** 17 **living in agriculture.** 18 **I have an ethanol plant within 13.5 miles of my** 19 **farm. It allows me a great market for my corn. And** 20 **without that market, I would have to haul my product** 21 **farther and take less money for it.** 22 **Unfortunately for agriculture, the world has seen**

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1 **a great division within our community between the grain** 2 **farmers and livestock producers on the importance of** 3 **the RFS and the ethanol industry. For the agriculture** 4 **industry to be strong, all of the agriculture must be** 5 **strong, and I'm certain nothing is stronger than** 6 **American agriculture.** 7 **The RFS will be helping make agriculture stronger** 8 **than we are now just starting to see the benefits. We** 9 **should be continuing to increase the standard, raising** 10 **the ceiling, increasing the market, and strengthening** 11 **American agriculture.** 12 **Thank you for your time and your consideration.** 13 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you for your** 14 **testimony.** 15 **Will Panel 26 report to the front, and then Panel** 16 **28, if you would report to the on deck area, please?** 17 **MR. HENGST: And so, for Panel 28, if you can go** 18 **to the staging area? Perry Bacon, Rock Ormiston, Tom** 19 **Willis, Jeff Briggs, Sasha Forsen, and Brian Engel,** 20 **please.** 21 **(Pause.)** 22 **MR. TAPP: Okay, great. Bob, would you like to** Page 236

1 **begin?** 2 **MR. BOWMAN: Sure would. Good afternoon, and** 3 **thank you for hearing us today. My name is Bob Bowman.** 4 **I'm a farmer involved in several commodities in** 5 **production agriculture in extreme eastern Iowa along** 6 **the Mississippi River.** 7 **My farm is a family farm currently involving my** 8 **son and myself. Previously, parts of it have been** 9 **passed on from generation to generation. We are** 10 **continually improving our business, increasing our** 11 **production, as well as efficiency, becoming more** 12 **sustainable using more technology, less fuel, less** 13 **fertilizer, less pesticides per unit of production.** 14 **I have contributed and worked for many years in** 15 **the corn industry as a volunteer on the State, local,** 16 **and national level. I go way back to when back in the** 17 **early '80s and before when we were doing pump** 18 **promotions for a product called gasohol.** 19 **We've promoted corn and its many uses, including** 20 **sweeteners, animal feed, industrial uses, and corn** 21 **based ethanol. We developed these uses for corn** 22 **because corn has continually been plentiful in supply,**

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1 **low in price, and exceeding the demand that we have** 2 **here domestically and worldwide.** 3 **Many years in the past in my farming career, I've** 4 **had to use Government programs to survive and sometimes** 5 **exclusively for my profit. Corn-based ethanol has** 6 **given us another marketing opportunity, as well as** 7 **helping my community, my State, and my nation** 8 **financially and in the areas of cleaner air, more jobs,** 9 **and cheaper fuels.** 10 **Renewable corn-based ethanol has helped me on my** 11 **farm be a more viable producer, allowing me to invest** 12 **in those technologies and improve my efficiencies and,** 13 **like I said, becoming more sustainable in utilizing the** 14 **resources that we have at hand -- the sun, the land,** 15 **the water, and labor.** 16 **Even though I do not have an ethanol plant close** 17 **by me -- we have river outlets. That's been a lot of** 18 **our market, and the wet milling industry has been my** 19 **market. Corn ethanol has benefited all of us** 20 **producers, even if we don't have a plant close by.** 21 **It's also benefited our consumers. Maintaining** 22 **the levels of production allowed by the RFS I believe Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **is critical. We need to be allowed to produce those** 2 **levels of production not only for our current corn** 3 **ethanol business, but also for the future. I believe** 4 **that advanced biofuels will not be developed or be** 5 **totally successful if the path laid out by the RFS is** 6 **not followed.** 7 **I thank you again for your time you have devoted** 8 **today in hearing our message. Corn-based ethanol is** 9 **important, and the RFS is vital to me, my community,** 10 **our State, and the nation for many reasons.** 11 **Thank you.** 12 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 13 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 14 **MR. CHRISP: My name is Lynn Chrisp, and I'm here** 15 **representing our farm and other small farms across the** 16 **country.** 17 **Thank you for this opportunity to comment in** 18 **person on the renewable volume obligation numbers, as** 19 **proposed by the EPA.** 20 **It is with regret that I'm the one here today** 21 **relaying a message of consequences to the EPA's action** 22 **on this matter. I would have much preferred that my**

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1 **son, a fifth-generation family farmer be sitting here** 2 **sharing the positives of a good decision and what that** 3 **means to his future in agriculture and his** 4 **contributions to the environment.** 5 **Unfortunately, that cannot happen because Brandon** 6 **and Jessi made the decision to leave the farm in March.** 7 **This decision ended four generations of heritage** 8 **started shortly after the Civil War.** 9 **In 3 years of mastering areas of expertise that** 10 **successful farmers need, the stark fact was obvious to** 11 **Brandon that the two most difficult threats that needed** 12 **risk management were weather and the markets. In the** 13 **case of weather, the risk is partially offset by making** 14 **a choice for Federal crop insurance. Extreme weather** 15 **happens.** 16 **In my 40-year career, there's only been a handful** 17 **of extremely good price opportunities where crop supply** 18 **was unusually tight due to a weather event, mainly** 19 **drought. In the case of market opportunity, it is all** 20 **about the demand for the crop, a crop which** 21 **unfortunately is most of the time in abundant supply.** 22 **The biggest positive game changer for rural** Page 240

1 **America in my career has been the demand created by** 2 **ethanol through the renewable fuel standard. It has** 3 **given farmers the opportunity to provide renewable crop** 4 **where two-thirds of what is processed goes into the** 5 **fuel supply as a positive component and our environment** 6 **and the balance is used for feed and livestock.** 7 **I have spoken about the risk management and how** 8 **good it is to have the ability to purchase crop** 9 **insurance to address weather threats. Unfortunately,** 10 **farmers cannot buy insurance against the threat of a** 11 **decision by EPA and its impact on the market.** 12 **As Brandon and I saw it, the situation arising** 13 **from this decision was our second-biggest threat now** 14 **and going into the future. For this reason, I'm asking** 15 **that the EPA restore the RVO numbers as committed to in** 16 **the 2007 renewable fuel standard. We don't need this** 17 **kind of pressure on our next generation.** 18 **The damage on our farm cannot be undone, but a** 19 **better future still remains possible if there is a** 20 **return to the RFS, as passed by Congress.** 21 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you.** 22 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.**

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1 **MR. GUTZ: Hi. My name is Jeff Gutz. I'm with** 2 **Husker Ag from Plainview, Nebraska.** 3 **RFS obligations can be met if the desire to do so** 4 **is there. The RFS is worth it to carry on.** 5 **I'm an ethanol producer. My dad has a small farm** 6 **in Nebraska. I'm a flex-fuel vehicle owner. We have** 7 **the ability to produce it. Give us the ability to use** 8 **it.** 9 **Ethanol demand is there, and with 17 million** 10 **vehicles on the road, flex-fuel vehicles on the road** 11 **designed to run on higher blends, the potential to use** 12 **nearly 10 billion gallons of ethanol is there also.** 13 **Retail infrastructure takes time to develop, but more** 14 **and more E15, E30, and E85 is becoming available for** 15 **sale to consumers every day as incentives to install** 16 **this infrastructure takes place. And our very own** 17 **ethanol plant is helping with that.** 18 **Husker Ag is helping build that infrastructure by** 19 **providing incentives with about a dozen local retail** 20 **blender stations by the end of this year. We are** 21 **talking about a high-octane, high-quality, clean fuel** 22 **that is a bargain for the consumer. Saving an average Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **of $1 per gallon of fuel, it's estimated that ethanol** 2 **saves motorists more than $100 billion at the pump** 3 **annually.** 4 **With value and savings, demand for higher blends** 5 **of ethanol is sure to climb if the oil lobby doesn't** 6 **influence the EPA by trying to diminish the value of** 7 **the RFS. The renewable fuel sector generates $184.5** 8 **billion in annual output, supports 852,000 jobs, and** 9 **$14.5 billion in taxes.** 10 **According to USDA, the value of agriculture** 11 **products has increased nearly $100 billion in the U.S.** 12 **since the RFS2 was enacted in 2007. Fuels America** 13 **estimates that the RFS has saved about $10 billion per** 14 **year by reducing the need for farm program payments.** 15 **The RFS is working to retain young people in rural** 16 **communities by helping create jobs and a tax base right** 17 **here in the heart of America.** 18 **The renewable fuels industry isn't looking for** 19 **handouts. We voluntarily gave up our tax credit in** 20 **2011 and are simply asking for market access and the** 21 **opportunity to compete. Renewable fuels are the only** 22 **sustainable option, and for that to happen, there has**

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1 **to be an incentive for the oil company-owned blenders** 2 **to blend renewable fuel.** 3 **Reduced market share is not an incentive. So** 4 **that's where the Government steps in and makes blending** 5 **a requirement to enhance the fair market. This has** 6 **been working until the oil companies lobby for more** 7 **market share.** 8 **So are we going to give up on what's working, or** 9 **are we going to stay strong, moving against the** 10 **monopoly current and strengthen our energy supply,** 11 **strengthen our American economy, and allow a fresh,** 12 **clean energy industry to grow?** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **MR. TAPP: Thank you. Any questions?** 15 **(No response.)** 16 **MR. TAPP: Thank you for your testimony.** 17 **Panel 28, if you would please report to the front,** 18 **and Panel 30, if you would report to the staging area?** 19 **MR. HENGST: And for Panel 30, as we do the** 20 **switchover, Amber Smith, Austin Ludowese -- pardon me** 21 **if I mispronounced that -- Barb Rogers, Bonnie Murphy,** 22 **Brook Obr, Michael Gorton, and Carl Sitzmann.** Page 244

1 **MR. TAPP: Thank you. Okay, Panel 28, would you** 2 **like to begin?** 3 **MR. BACON: Good afternoon, and thank you for the** 4 **opportunity to speak. My name is Perry Bacon, and I'm** 5 **not a farmer, and I'm not employed by any ethanol** 6 **company. I'm a private investor and in that capacity** 7 **sit on the board of Conestoga Energy Partners.** 8 **Our private investment group has two primary** 9 **focuses, that the enterprise in which we invest has the** 10 **opportunity to create significant economic value for** 11 **its investors and, secondly, that it has a positive** 12 **impact, not a degrading impact on the environment.** 13 **Some of the metrics that we look at include that** 14 **the ethanol industry has created and supports nearly** 15 **400,000 jobs; that ethanol reduces gas prices by 78** 16 **cents a gallon, which is a consumer savings of over** 17 **$100 billion; that the ethanol industry contributes in** 18 **excess of $44 billion to the nation's taxable income;** 19 **creates a steady market for corn and other grain. It** 20 **helps reduce Federal farm program costs.** 21 **In an environment like 2013 and '14 when the** 22 **ethanol industry produces over 13 billion gallons,**

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1 **greenhouse gas emissions are reduced by 38 million** 2 **metric tons. That's the equivalent of removing roughly** 3 **8 million automobiles from the road. And finally,** 4 **grain ethanol decreases greenhouse gas emissions by up** 5 **to 57 percent.** 6 **So what seems clear is that the ethanol industry** 7 **creates substantial benefit to its employees, to the** 8 **communities in which it operates, and to its** 9 **shareholders and investors. And furthermore, by** 10 **reducing significantly greenhouse gas emissions, it** 11 **contributes to the improvement of the environment.** 12 **What seems less clear is why the EPA would want** 13 **anything but more of the same. Thank you.** 14 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you.** 15 **MR. ORMISTON: Thank you for the opportunity to** 16 **address.** 17 **My name is Rock Ormiston, and I'm from southwest** 18 **Kansas, where I'm involved in a large, integrated** 19 **family farm, which produces mostly irrigated corn and** 20 **soybeans. I am also on the board of Conestoga from the** 21 **beginning, which owns two ethanol plants locally,** 22 **producing over 165 million gallons per year and at an Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **investment cost of roughly $300 million, a little over,** 2 **most of which came locally from producers like myself.** 3 **This company currently employs over 160, and** 4 **indirectly, who knows? Countless. When the RFS was** 5 **formed 8 years ago in 2007 by a bipartisan Congress,** 6 **supported by the President, our local community** 7 **embraced the concept and joined many others and** 8 **capitalized these plants almost overnight. The** 9 **enthusiasm was incredible.** 10 **And we went on to be successful in producing** 11 **renewable fuels. We are, as well as many of my** 12 **neighbors, have ramped up our own infrastructure and** 13 **farm. Myself, I've put in a $2.5 million grain** 14 **facility because I could deliver to an end-user.** 15 **All of this capital and sweat labor is now at risk** 16 **when the EPA backed away from the commitment to grow** 17 **this industry. Our industry and the American farmer** 18 **answered that call and produced the volumes demanded by** 19 **the ambitious RFS, only to have it -- the EPA pull the** 20 **carpet out from underneath us.** 21 **Please reinstate the standards that our industry** 22 **was built on and interested -- intended to be. We have**

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1 **a big investment, and we want to keep this thing** 2 **rolling.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you.** 5 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 6 **MR. WILLIS: My name is Tom Willis. I'm the CEO** 7 **of Conestoga Energy Partners Holding. We have three** 8 **renewable energy plants that produce about 230 million** 9 **gallons of renewable fuel a year.** 10 **In addition to that, around 2 million tons of a** 11 **high-protein and energy feed that is consumed locally** 12 **by our feedyards, cattle, swine. Represents, as my** 13 **partner Rock said, about $320 million of investment,** 14 **that risk capital.** 15 **We were the first ethanol plant to sequester CO2** 16 **into the ground and, when combined with our use of** 17 **water-efficient grain sorghum, gives our carbon** 18 **footprint one of the lowest in the country.** 19 **I'm here today, obviously, to say please keep the** 20 **original RFS2 RVO standards and blending obligations.** 21 **It's been one of the most successful programs,** 22 **Government programs in the last 20 years. I've seen** Page 248

1 **it, what it's done to rural America by -- I farm as** 2 **well. And proven by the reduction in direct payments** 3 **to producers, it has vitalized rural America.** 4 **We've added over 200 direct jobs, 300 indirect** 5 **jobs in our area. And really, more importantly, it's** 6 **allowed many of our young families to move back to our** 7 **community who would not have been there.** 8 **It produces a cleaner, environmentally friendly** 9 **fuel. It saves consumers money at the pump, and in** 10 **short, the program works.** 11 **It decreases our dependence on foreign oil.** 12 **Realizing that oil is a little cheaper today than it** 13 **has been, we still import oil. As a father, excuse me,** 14 **of a son who lost seven men in combat with weapons that** 15 **were purchased with dollars that came from the United** 16 **States for oil, I don't know of anybody that's been** 17 **killed raising ethanol, or producing ethanol.** 18 **Purpose of the blending credit that expired 2011** 19 **was to help the obligated parties offset the cost of** 20 **infrastructure. They knew this day was coming. They** 21 **didn't use the money wisely. The blending wall was** 22 **self-induced and meant to keep the consumer from having**

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1 **a choice of fuel at the pump.** 2 **E15 is the most widely tested fuel we've ever had,** 3 **and it's been proven safe. And all we're asking is** 4 **that Congress keep its word, allow the program to work,** 5 **and sunset at its conclusion.** 6 **We're ready to invest an additional $100 million** 7 **into next-generation fuels, but there is absolutely no** 8 **way I can go to my fellow investors and put that money** 9 **at risk when we don't know what's going to happen from** 10 **year to year. We've had two D5 proposed pathways** 11 **submitted to EPA for 4 years, and we've had very little** 12 **feedback on how they're progressing.** 13 **So, again, in closing, I'd ask that you restore** 14 **the 2016 and forward RVO blending requirements back to** 15 **the original RFS law because it's working.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 18 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 19 **MR. BRIGGS: Good afternoon, and thank you for the** 20 **opportunity to be here today. I am Jeff Briggs, chief** 21 **operating officer for Green Plains, Incorporated.** 22 **Green Plains began with our first 50 million Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **gallon ethanol plant that commenced production in** 2 **August of 2007 in Shenandoah, Iowa. Since then, we** 3 **have grown to 12 ethanol plants producing in 6 States,** 4 **with over 850 employees. In addition, we have become** 5 **the third-largest consolidated owner of ethanol** 6 **production assets in North America, with over 1 billion** 7 **gallons of production capacity.** 8 **We process 10 million tons of corn, which is 2** 9 **times more corn than China imports from the USA. We** 10 **produce 3 million tons of livestock feed and 250** 11 **million pounds of corn oil for feed and biodiesel** 12 **markets. Finally, we generate over $3 billion in** 13 **revenues and have been profitable for the last 6 years.** 14 **A growing and predictable biofuels market has been** 15 **a driver in enhancing our ethanol assets and has** 16 **allowed us to make investments in other technologies** 17 **and businesses, such as growing and harvesting algae** 18 **and cattle feedyards. We continue to invest in our** 19 **plants to make them run more efficient, using less to** 20 **get more, technology such as selecting milling** 21 **technology that improves the amount of ethanol we can** 22 **produce out of each bushel of corn, as well as corn oil**

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1 **extraction technology that creates another product and** 2 **income stream for us.** 3 **The RFS should be used as the vehicle for higher** 4 **ethanol blends in the United States. It has been the** 5 **most successful energy legislation in this country's** 6 **history and has reduced our dependence on foreign oil,** 7 **cleaned the air we breathe, created jobs across rural** 8 **America, and created a strong secondary market for** 9 **farmers to sell their corn. More ethanol into the fuel** 10 **supply is a positive for not just the Midwest, but for** 11 **the United States.** 12 **As an industry, we have successfully introduced** 13 **higher blends into the marketplace, proving that there** 14 **is no blend wall. E15 is growing in availability to** 15 **drivers on the road today, and more and more** 16 **manufacturers are certifying E15 for use in their new** 17 **models.** 18 **Many retailers like Kum & Go, Mapco, and Sheetz,** 19 **Cenex, Murphy, and Minnoco have committed to providing** 20 **their consumers with the opportunity to choose which** 21 **blended fuel works best for them. Moving to E15 means** 22 **more jobs here at home, more octane in your gas tank,** Page 252

1 **and an even cleaner-burning fuel and, more importantly,** 2 **giving consumers the right to choose.** 3 **I would ask how does a country like Brazil, where** 4 **they drive the same Ford, Chevys, and Toyotas that we** 5 **do here, blend 27 percent ethanol in their motor fuel** 6 **and have for over a decade, while the U.S. cannot get** 7 **past 10 percent? The answer? It's big oil's death** 8 **grip on the U.S. consumer.** 9 **Don't undermine our ability to invest in domestic** 10 **fuel alternatives that are a catalyst to our economy.** 11 **Don't deprive consumers of choices at the pump by** 12 **ceding market share to big oil.** 13 **The real mandate in this country is the 90 percent** 14 **mandate that the petroleum fuel market has in the U.S.** 15 **that the oil industry has in place and will stop at** 16 **nothing to protect. Efforts to replace fossil fuels** 17 **with domestic renewable fuels will continue to benefit** 18 **the economy, environment, and public health.** 19 **At Green Plains, we want to continue to invest in** 20 **jobs, technology, and value-added processing of** 21 **cleaner-burning renewable fuels. It's important to use** 22 **those fuels domestically as intended by the 2007 RFS**

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1 **and important to allocate capital in a market that is** 2 **growth-oriented and predictable.** 3 **We stand ready to make additional investments in** 4 **biofuel production and technology. We stand ready to** 5 **support biofuel infrastructure growth through market** 6 **development partnerships with private and public** 7 **partners who support the fuel choices among consumers.** 8 **Those choices are readily available if the RFS is** 9 **maintained.** 10 **On behalf of Green Plains and myself, I want to** 11 **thank you again for the opportunity to express support** 12 **for the RFS.** 13 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 14 **MS. FORSEN: Good afternoon, and thank you for the** 15 **opportunity to express my support today for the** 16 **renewable fuel standard.** 17 **My name is Sasha Forsen, and I am the public** 18 **relations manager for Green Plains, Inc., a 1 billion** 19 **gallon ethanol producer headquartered in Omaha,** 20 **Nebraska.** 21 **I have deep roots in agriculture in the Midwest.** 22 **I am the proud daughter of a farmer who farms with his Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **father, my grandfather. And I have two younger** 2 **brothers, one who bought a home near the family farm in** 3 **Herman, Nebraska, so he's not too far from work on the** 4 **family farm every day. And I have another little** 5 **brother who just graduated from high school, not** 6 **starting college until January because he just could** 7 **not miss harvest this year.** 8 **So as it is with farming, this is more than just a** 9 **job to my family. It's a way of life.** 10 **I'm honored that my work at Green Plains has an** 11 **impact on not only the livelihood of my family, but** 12 **also for the many hard-working men and women who remain** 13 **committed to their farms and jobs despite the** 14 **uncertainty that goes with planting a seed in the** 15 **ground and hoping the weather turns out just right.** 16 **It was only a few short years ago many of our** 17 **crops were underwater due to flooding, then a drought** 18 **the following year. These are not predictable** 19 **circumstances, but we plant seeds in the ground anyway.** 20 **There are some things that can be certain, though,** 21 **and since 2007 it's been the RFS2. But now, to the** 22 **disappointment of farmers and ethanol producers**

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1 **everywhere, we are finding ourselves with unnecessary** 2 **uncertainty due to the proposal to reduce the RVO and** 3 **the renewable fuel standard, something that today** 4 **should have remained constant in an environment of** 5 **absolute uncertainties.** 6 **The RFS has been a win for farmers, including** 7 **those who feed their cattle distillers grains like our** 8 **feedlot here in Kansas. It's been a win for the** 9 **additional jobs it's helped to create, for our national** 10 **security, and for the consumers who now have something** 11 **other than E0 to use at the pump.** 12 **It's really not surprising that big oil has fought** 13 **so hard to limit access to the consumer, but it's not** 14 **because their product is good for the air we breathe.** 15 **It's not because their product strengthens economies in** 16 **rural America right here in the heartland, and it's not** 17 **because their product is renewable. It's because that** 18 **they've seen a real industry with a product that has** 19 **become the definition of our fuel today, and they don't** 20 **want to give up any more real estate on the fuel tank.** 21 **And that's the unfortunate reason we are here today.** 22 **People like my dad, my grandpa, and my brothers** Page 256

1 **are our customers. Our friends and some of our** 2 **employees are even farmers themselves. My colleagues** 3 **at our headquarters and at the plants are hard-working** 4 **people who are proud to go to work every day for a** 5 **company who prides itself on safety and operational** 6 **excellence.** 7 **A career at Green Plains has been rewarding for us** 8 **all, and many of us have seen our company and this** 9 **industry grow into something that is here to stay. We** 10 **are producing a product that benefits consumers** 11 **everywhere. So please don't limit my access as a** 12 **consumer and a producer because big oil wants a** 13 **monopoly on U.S. drivers.** 14 **As a driver, I want access to E15 and higher** 15 **blends, and I think that retailers -- and I thank the** 16 **retailers so far who have committed to bringing more** 17 **choice at the pump. As an employee of this great** 18 **industry, I want to see companies who continue to** 19 **invest in the future of fuel. And as the daughter of a** 20 **farmer, I want farmers to have the opportunity to** 21 **continue to create additional demand for their product** 22 **and not have the uncertainty of the RFS, something that**

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1 **in no question should be fully in place today and that** 2 **so many of us have counted on.** 3 **Thank you for the opportunity to be here today on** 4 **behalf of my hard-working family and my friends and** 5 **colleagues at Green Plains.** 6 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 7 **MR. ENGEL: Good afternoon, and thank you for this** 8 **opportunity to testify.** 9 **My name is Brian Engel, and I'm the general** 10 **manager of vegetable oil trading for Green Plains at** 11 **its headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska.** 12 **I have over 25 years of experience in agriculture** 13 **commodity marketing, trading, and processing, and I've** 14 **made career marketing and investment decisions based on** 15 **the very first passage of the renewable fuel standards.** 16 **Needless to say, those decisions have not been easy to** 17 **make with the constant delays, changes, and lack of** 18 **clarity through the EPA's proposals to change the law** 19 **from what Congress had established.** 20 **In 2000, I started a company that launched the** 21 **first biodiesel plant in the State of Indiana in 2005.** 22 **The plant was located in Hammond, which is the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **furthest northwest corner of the State near Chicago and** 2 **was also located adjacent to a large petroleum** 3 **refinery.** 4 **The investment created jobs in a very high** 5 **unemployment and economically depressed area.** 6 **Unfortunately, with the uncertainties around RFS, the** 7 **facility has closed, and the employees were laid off.** 8 **I bring this up because within Green Plains, I am** 9 **responsible for the group that markets and trades corn** 10 **oil extracted from the ethanol process. Along with** 11 **corn oil, my group also trades other fats and oils,** 12 **both domestically and internationally.** 13 **In 2007, I developed markets for some of the first** 14 **production of corn oil recovered from the ethanol** 15 **process. Thus, as a group, we can closely relate to** 16 **what our corn oil biodiesel customers have been going** 17 **through year after year.** 18 **Within Green Plains, we continually develop** 19 **markets for corn oil, as well as other fats and oils** 20 **across fuel, feed, food, and industrial applications.** 21 **Thus, I wanted to relay my thoughts on the impact of** 22 **the proposed RFS RVO from the perspective of a supplier**

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1 **to each of these industries.** 2 **As a feedstock for biodiesel fuel, corn oil has** 3 **been one of the key supplies that has helped generate** 4 **investments in new biodiesel processing technologies,** 5 **driving efficiencies and capacity in the industry. One** 6 **of the key aspects of the proposed RVO is not only the** 7 **volumes themselves, but the fact that the volumes for** 8 **biodiesel be set through 2017.** 9 **Having a firm volume established at least 2 years** 10 **out is very helpful for our corn oil biodiesel** 11 **customers. This gives our customers the ability to** 12 **make better forecasts and thus make longer-term** 13 **investments, in return giving the fuel industry a** 14 **constant biodiesel supply.** 15 **In addition to the consistent supplies, California** 16 **recognizes a very low-carbon index value for corn oil,** 17 **thus generating a good alternative to meet their carbon** 18 **reduction targets. We expect other west coast States** 19 **will follow California's lead.** 20 **One of the major concerns for our biodiesel** 21 **customers is the 70 to 75 cents per gallon export** 22 **incentive that Argentina has for biodiesel relative to** Page 260

1 **their soybean oil. We are starting to see the very** 2 **negative impact to our customers caused from Argentine** 3 **biodiesel vessels arriving at United States ports.** 4 **Another ongoing concern for our biodiesel** 5 **customers has been the very slow response from EPA** 6 **regarding requests for clarifications and guidance on** 7 **many issues. Some requests for what would appear to be** 8 **straightforward points of clarification have taken up** 9 **to 1 year to receive guidance on, and many times the** 10 **guidance generates more questions for clarification.** 11 **In regard to our feed customers, the meat industry** 12 **is starting to recognize the benefits and customer** 13 **preferences for meat produced from all-natural or all** 14 **vegetable based diets. Corn oil from the ethanol** 15 **industry has been a good go-to replacement for animal** 16 **fats in feed rations.** 17 **Without a viable biodiesel market, the animal fats** 18 **produced in the meat industry would struggle to find a** 19 **ready market. In regard to food customers, corn oil** 20 **from the ethanol industry is competitively priced into** 21 **the biodiesel and feed market, thus replacing soybean** 22 **oil as a feedstock and making it available for the food**

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1 **market.** 2 **In regard to our industrial customers, corn oil** 3 **gives them more pricing certainty for the products they** 4 **produce. Corn oil is priced and traded out 12 months** 5 **or longer in comparison to animal fats, which price 30** 6 **to 45 days out.** 7 **As I have quickly outlined, it is easy to see that** 8 **corn oil from the ethanol industry is bringing value to** 9 **consumers across fuel, feed, food, and industrial** 10 **applications. It also outlines how creative,** 11 **resourceful, and flexible we have been in developing** 12 **new markets and uses. So why can't they be as** 13 **creative, resourceful, and flexible in utilizing the** 14 **fuels we produce?** 15 **On behalf of myself and Green Plains, I would like** 16 **to thank you for taking the testimony and for your** 17 **attention this afternoon.** 18 **MR. TAPP: Thank you. Any questions?** 19 **(No response.)** 20 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Will Panel 30 please move up to** 21 **the front and Panel 32 into the staging area?** 22 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And as part of Panel 30, we Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **welcome also Senator Jerry Johnson from Nebraska to** 2 **please join the Panel 30.** 3 **Panel 32, we'd request that you go over to our** 4 **staging area. Bill Couser, Dave Sovereign, Jerry** 5 **Calease, Chris Tingle, Paul Backman, and Carson Berger.** 6 **MR. TAPP: All right. Please proceed.** 7 **MR. LUDOWESE: My name is Austin Ludowese. I'm a** 8 **22-year-old student at the University of Wisconsin** 9 **Stout and a fourth-generation farmer. I'm opposed to** 10 **the EPA's proposed rule for 2014 through '16 RFS** 11 **levels, and I encourage EPA to get the program back on** 12 **track.** 13 **I was born and raised on a family farm in southern** 14 **Minnesota and will be returning to that farm following** 15 **graduation. In my short 22 years, I've seen dramatic** 16 **changes within the rural community. The towns have** 17 **gotten smaller, farmers have gotten older, and farming** 18 **operations have gotten bigger.** 19 **But the development of a strong ethanol industry** 20 **in Minnesota has provided new opportunities in rural** 21 **communities, and ethanol is one of the main reasons** 22 **that farmers in my area have been able to maintain**

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1 **profitability. There is no doubt that the RFS has** 2 **played a huge role in giving farmers like my dad and** 3 **other Minnesotans the confidence they need to invest** 4 **their hard-earned money in ethanol plants.** 5 **Ethanol and the RFS have provided us with** 6 **assurance to invest our time and money into planting** 7 **the seeds, caring for them, and harvesting the crop in** 8 **the fall. And most importantly, the RFS has provided** 9 **an incentive for young farmers like myself to return to** 10 **the farm and continue the family legacy that our** 11 **parents and grandparents started decades ago.** 12 **The average age of a U.S. farmer is 58. That** 13 **number continues to climb each and every year, and only** 14 **5.7 percent of farmers are between the ages of 18 and** 15 **37. Letting the RFS policy move backwards sends a** 16 **negative signal to people my age who are considering** 17 **careers in ag.** 18 **Without a strong RFS and strong ethanol industry,** 19 **there is less incentive for young farmers to return to** 20 **the farm and continue their family legacy, and it makes** 21 **it nearly impossible for anyone that does not have a** 22 **family farm to start one up. The RFS was put in place** Page 264

1 **to promote innovation, to provide a steadily growing** 2 **market for ag commodities, and to provide a cleaner** 3 **alternative fuel source for Americans.** 4 **Backtracking on this commitment only dampens** 5 **innovation. It slows investment, and it discourages my** 6 **generation from entering the farm industry that is in** 7 **desperate need for young farmers.** 8 **It was not long ago that nearly every kid that** 9 **grew up in a rural community wanted to be a farmer.** 10 **And as times have changed, fewer people have had any** 11 **desire to return to the farm because they see the** 12 **turbulent time that the farmers face and the** 13 **misunderstanding about farming from the general public.** 14 **While volatility in farming may be inevitable, the** 15 **RFS has dramatically helped smooth out the rough** 16 **patches and has allowed farmers to stay afloat.** 17 **Ethanol has shown my generation that there is a career** 18 **possibility in one of the most important industries in** 19 **the world.** 20 **In closing, backtracking on the RFS would** 21 **undermine what the U.S. ag industry prides itself on,** 22 **on being innovative and self-sustaining, producing the**

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1 **highest quality products, and protecting small** 2 **communities and the environment. I strongly urge the** 3 **EPA to reconsider this proposal and evaluate the impact** 4 **that your decision will not only have on today's ag and** 5 **ethanol industry, but more importantly the younger** 6 **generation's desire to enter an industry that is** 7 **hurting for youth.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you.** 10 **MR. MANGINE: Thank you for allowing me testify** 11 **today. My name is Dave Mangine --** 12 **My name is Dave Mangine. I'm the industrial sales** 13 **manager for Hawkins, Incorporated. We're a chemical** 14 **distributor that distributes to the ethanol industry** 15 **within the five-State region. We employ over 350** 16 **employees throughout the Midwest.** 17 **I'm here today to express our deep concerns about** 18 **the recent proposed rule of the 2014-2016 renewable** 19 **volume obligations, RVOs, as part of the renewable fuel** 20 **standards. The RFS has provided us a tremendous impact** 21 **in the growth of our business.** 22 **Over the past decade, the RFS has enabled Hawkins Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **to grow by adding infrastructure, sales volume, jobs.** 2 **We also had branches, terminals in Iowa, Nebraska,** 3 **South Dakota, North Dakota, Illinois, Wisconsin to help** 4 **Hawkins service these industries.** 5 **The cuts that you are proposing will impact our** 6 **business greatly, which, in turn, will also affect the** 7 **other businesses that rely on us to help service this** 8 **industry. The EPA should not back away from the** 9 **commitment made by the bipartisan Congress 8 years ago** 10 **and should continue to move the program forward as the** 11 **Congress and President intended in 2007.** 12 **Thank you.** 13 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 14 **MR. SITZMANN: Good afternoon. I want to thank** 15 **the EPA for allowing me to present testimony at the** 16 **hearing today. My name is Carl Sitzmann. I am the CEO** 17 **of E Energy Adams. I got moved on the docket there.** 18 **So --** 19 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Thank you for letting us know.** 20 **MR. SITZMANN: Yes. I'm the CEO of E Energy** 21 **Adams, an ethanol-producing facility located just** 22 **outside Adams, Nebraska, a town of approximately 450**

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1 **people.** 2 **We have 48 employees, and our operation supports** 3 **at least twice that number in indirect jobs. We have** 4 **830 shareholders, many of whom are either farmers or** 5 **ag-related individuals or entities.** 6 **The village of Adams and the surrounding community** 7 **is dependent on us for their prosperity. Over the past** 8 **7 years, we have supported our local community through** 9 **property taxes and sales and use taxes totaling $10.3** 10 **million.** 11 **We have over 500 farmers supplying us with corn at** 12 **elevated prices relative to historical levels, thus** 13 **reducing subsidies. We supply high-protein distillers** 14 **grains to more than 1,000 livestock feeders in our** 15 **area. We produce distillers oil, which is sold to** 16 **livestock feeders or biodiesel producers for renewable** 17 **fuels.** 18 **And finally, we provide to the national market** 19 **over 65 million gallons of environmentally friendly** 20 **ethanol each year. In summary, we are integral part of** 21 **the community in which we thrive and continue to grow,** 22 **and our growth decisions are dependent on and impacted** Page 268

1 **by the decisions that the EPA is making right now** 2 **relative to the renewable fuel standard.** 3 **A few months ago, we made a decision to become** 4 **only the second ethanol company in the United States to** 5 **install a new technology known as fiber separation** 6 **technology. It's a $30 million investment, which will** 7 **increase our capacity to 80 million gallons per year.** 8 **But more importantly, it creates a platform that will** 9 **allow us to take the separated fiber and convert it to** 10 **cellulosic ethanol in the future.** 11 **These financial decisions we've made are part of a** 12 **long-term strategic plan and are based in no small part** 13 **on the existence and proper execution of the RFS. When** 14 **we ponder major strategic business decisions, we often** 15 **look back to our roots and our mission statement to** 16 **make sure we are holding true to them. This is what** 17 **I'm asking you to do today.** 18 **The EPA was created in 1970 for the purpose of** 19 **permitting coordinated and effective Government action** 20 **on behalf of the environment. The EPA is an agency of** 21 **the executive branch of our Government and as such is** 22 **responsible for enacting and enforcing the laws that**

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1 **our legislative branch have created.** 2 **And so, I ask you to continue to enforce the** 3 **Energy Independence and Security Act, as it was passed** 4 **and as it was intended by Congress back in 2007;** 5 **protect the environment, as is your charter; and** 6 **finally, with all due respect, do your job and maintain** 7 **the original RVO levels of the RFS.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. TAPP: Thank you. Senator Johnson?** 10 **MR. JOHNSON: Thank you, and thank you for coming** 11 **here to the Midwest to the heart of the ethanol** 12 **industry.** 13 **My name is Jerry Johnson. I'm one of 49 State** 14 **senators in the Nebraska Unicameral. I am chairman of** 15 **the Ag Committee and also serve on the Natural Resource** 16 **Committee.** 17 **My business background was serving 42 years in the** 18 **cooperative system as a business specialist turning** 19 **companies around. My career included six local** 20 **cooperatives.** 21 **With that background, I have seen firsthand the** 22 **development of the ethanol industry, at least in Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Nebraska, with the first gasohol pumped in 1964 in** 2 **pumps that were located in the co-op where I was** 3 **employed. At the last cooperative that I managed, we** 4 **were one of the first stations to put in E85 pumps in** 5 **2003.** 6 **Nebraska ranks second in ethanol production.** 7 **Nebraska's value of ethanol and distillers grain has** 8 **averaged about $5 billion over the past 3 years. The** 9 **production produces a value that averages 60 percent of** 10 **the total value of corn that's produced in Nebraska and** 11 **57 percent of the value compared to cattle sales.** 12 **This is done through 27 plants in the State, 2.077** 13 **billion gallons of ethanol, and employs over 1,300** 14 **people in rural Nebraska.** 15 **Nebraska is one of the largest exporters of** 16 **biofuels, with 96 percent of our production exported** 17 **into 7 deficit States. We also export in three export** 18 **terminals -- Los Angeles, Laredo, and Houston** 19 **Galveston.** 20 **The DDG production is utilized to the maximization** 21 **inclusion of rations in beef cattle, dairy, poultry,** 22 **and hog production in Nebraska. Most of Nebraska's**

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1 **DDGs are used in Nebraska. This has been a factor in** 2 **making Nebraska the number-one beef producing State in** 3 **the United States.** 4 **This success is a multiplying factor of the** 5 **business climate in Nebraska, impacting over 400** 6 **businesses. Employment in rural Nebraska has been** 7 **enhanced by that.** 8 **What I bring to you today as a senator -- I have** 9 **introduced legislation, I have passed legislation in** 10 **the State legislature -- a strong appreciation for what** 11 **goes into making a law. Once that law is made, it** 12 **needs to be implemented and enforced the way it was** 13 **intended by the authors of the bill.** 14 **I don't believe this is currently happening with** 15 **the EPA as it relates to the RFS. I would ask you to** 16 **return to the intent of the RFS as originally passed** 17 **and return to the volumes originally outlined in the** 18 **standards. It's a win for the environment. It's a win** 19 **for our economy.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you. Any questions?** 22 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** Page 272

1 **MR. TAPP: Thank you very much.** 2 **Okay, will Panel 32 please move forward and Panel** 3 **34 move to the staging area?** 4 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Also, one quick announcement.** 5 **There is a white Honda that is parked across the street** 6 **that is blocking the exit for the buses. So if you own** 7 **a white Honda and you don't want to get it pancaked by** 8 **a bus, you may want to get over there quickly and move** 9 **it. Again, a white Honda across the street.** 10 **Panel 34 members -- Mark Beemer, Christopher Veit,** 11 **Craig Ammann, Bryan Diediker, John Becker, and Rick** 12 **Hansen -- if you could please go to the staging area** 13 **over on the right?** 14 **MR. TAPP: Please proceed.** 15 **MR. BERGER: First of all, I'd like to say thank** 16 **you for you guys taking the time to come out here** 17 **today. It's probably been long sitting there.** 18 **So my name is Carson Berger. I'm the commodities** 19 **risk manager of Denco II, which is an ethanol** 20 **production facility located in Morris, Minnesota.** 21 **We employ 30 people and buy 8 million bushels of** 22 **grain per year from over 250 Minnesota farms. We**

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1 **process this corn into 25 million gallons per year of** 2 **ethanol, 85,000 tons of high-quality distillers grains,** 3 **and 300,000 gallons of corn oil per year. The RFS has** 4 **been a success for not only our local economy** 5 **surrounding Morris, Minnesota, but for our nation as** 6 **well.** 7 **When the RFS was established in 2005 and expanded** 8 **in 2007, rural America responded by building out an** 9 **entire industry that supports over 400,000 jobs and** 10 **accounts for $53 billion of America's gross domestic** 11 **product. Congress made a commitment to America, and** 12 **the private industry of rural America responded by** 13 **investing billions of dollars into biofuel production.** 14 **The industry has continued reinvesting in itself,** 15 **perpetually reducing natural gas, electricity, and** 16 **water usage, all while increasing ethanol yield per** 17 **bushel, as well as adding vital value-added co-products** 18 **such as corn oil. This is similar to that of the** 19 **American farmer doing more with less.** 20 **Congress' commitment also signaled our industry to** 21 **make a significant investment in the growth of E85,** 22 **E15, and other mid-level blend infrastructure and Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **market development. On a local level, our facility,** 2 **Denco II, has made investments similar to that of the** 3 **rest of the industry. We are currently under a major** 4 **renovation in order to reduce our energy and water** 5 **consumption at our facility, which will improve the** 6 **carbon footprint of our fuel.** 7 **Our board of directors is also evaluating two** 8 **projects, one of which would increase our energy or our** 9 **production by 30 percent, and another would be bolt-on** 10 **cellulosic technology. Each time the conversation** 11 **comes up when we're evaluating those projects, we need** 12 **a strong renewable fuel standard in order to, you know,** 13 **move forward with those projects and get the confidence** 14 **from our investment group.** 15 **We've also invested over $100,000 into blending** 16 **equipment in order to offer E85 directly to retailers.** 17 **We then devote much time, money, and effort in order** 18 **to price that fuel relative to gasoline at a sharp** 19 **enough discount in order for consumers to use the fuel.** 20 **We've increased our sales volume by 4 to 7 percent or** 21 **4 to 7 times that than it was on prior, and we've saved** 22 **our local area within 50 miles or more over $2 million.**

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1 **Largely, the oil industry has responded to the RFS** 2 **in an opposite manner than that of the biofuels** 3 **industry. Even though Congress allowed for ample time** 4 **to adjust to meeting the statutory requirements, the** 5 **oil industry has refused to make investments similar to** 6 **that of ourselves. The oil industry has, in fact,** 7 **discouraged fuel retailers from offering higher-level** 8 **ethanol blends through stringent franchise and supply** 9 **agreements.** 10 **Unless the EPA enforces the RFS as Congress** 11 **originally intended, this behavior will continue. The** 12 **EPA simply cannot continue to reward this type of** 13 **behavior.** 14 **As you move forward in putting together a final** 15 **rule, I hope you will consider the fallout the rule** 16 **will have on ethanol plant workers, family farms, and** 17 **investors who rely on the ethanol production facilities** 18 **around the country.** 19 **Thank you.** 20 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, Carson. Next?** 21 **MR. SOVEREIGN: I'm Dave Sovereign from Cresco,** 22 **Iowa, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to** Page 276

1 **present my comments here this morning.** 2 **In my home community of Cresco, Iowa, I wear many** 3 **hats. Most days I wear the hat of a farmer raising** 4 **corn, soybeans, hogs mostly for feed, fuel, and fiber.** 5 **Renewable fuels are important to our family farm** 6 **operation because they add value, and they also create** 7 **a local market for our products.** 8 **Some days I wear the hat of a fuel retailer.** 9 **After some unsuccessful attempts at convincing three** 10 **local existing fuel stations to offer our homegrown** 11 **renewable fuels, I partnered with 28 other Cresco** 12 **residents, and we built our own unattended biofuel** 13 **fueling station.** 14 **Our station offers E10 unleaded, as well as higher** 15 **levels of ethanol, along with biodiesel blends of B2,** 16 **B5, and B10. We opened it to the public in September** 17 **of 2012. Since opening, we've observed only positive** 18 **economic results for our motorists and for our** 19 **community.** 20 **This past sales data, for instance, shows that 73** 21 **percent of our total gasoline sales volume have** 22 **included ethanol blends of the E15, E20, E30, and E85,**

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1 **while sales of unleaded and E10 have comprised just 27** 2 **percent of our total volume of our sales. When** 3 **consumers have a choice, there is no blend wall.** 4 **Some days I wear the hat of an ethanol producer.** 5 **I serve on the board of directors for two locally owned** 6 **biorefineries. These local biorefineries and their** 7 **products have brought quality jobs to our rural** 8 **communities.** 9 **Only time will tell us how many of the children of** 10 **these new community members will be making large** 11 **contributions to our society in the future. The** 12 **renewable fuel industry is a relatively young industry,** 13 **yet it is real and an ongoing success story, having** 14 **already made significant positive contributions to our** 15 **country's security, economy, and providing savings to** 16 **consumers.** 17 **Every day, I wear the hat of a husband, father,** 18 **grandfather, and community member striving to make our** 19 **corner of the world a little bit better place to live** 20 **and raise a family. Midwestern youth just seem to have** 21 **a better perspective and outlook on life and death from** 22 **their experiences tending and caring for livestock and Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **crops.** 2 **Nobel Peace Prize winner Norman Borlaug, who was** 3 **recognized and credited with saving over a billion** 4 **lives for his work developing wheat varieties, grew up** 5 **and received his primary education in my hometown and** 6 **community. Five United States Navy admirals can trace** 7 **their roots back to Cresco, Iowa, where we call home** 8 **and where they received their primary education.** 9 **We need strong rural economies and communities** 10 **generating strong schools who can provide and enable** 11 **our youth with the leadership skills and education. If** 12 **we do this, they will be poised and prepared to seize** 13 **the opportunity to lead and be successful, much like** 14 **the individuals I have mentioned above.** 15 **The proposed standards for 2014, '15, and 2016** 16 **fall woefully short in the promotion and growth of our** 17 **homegrown renewable fuels as a chief source of motor** 18 **fuel for automobiles. I'm opposed to these proposed** 19 **standards. We need a plan for growth, a plan with** 20 **greater inclusion of renewable fuels in our fuel** 21 **supply, such as the plan that was originally passed by** 22 **Congress in the RFS2.**

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1 **Let's not mess with the RFS. It's the law. Let's** 2 **not waiver. Let's just enforce it.** 3 **And we don't want to be at odds with the EPA as an** 4 **industry or as the farmers or community. I believe** 5 **that all of our goals are very much in line. So** 6 **please, if we can be a resource or if I can be a** 7 **resource, feel free to ask me questions or reach out.** 8 **We'd be happy to provide you with any additional** 9 **information you might need.** 10 **Thank you.** 11 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thanks, Dave. Next?** 12 **MR. CALEASE: Paul, Joshua, Ben, and the rest of** 13 **your staff, I thank you for this opportunity.** 14 **My name is Jerry Calease. I am a proud citizen of** 15 **the United States of America. I am also a farmer** 16 **investor in several ethanol plants in northern Iowa and** 17 **Minnesota. Today, I bring to you a farmer's** 18 **perspective of the EPA's decision to lower the RVOs of** 19 **the RFS2.** 20 **As a child from a farm family of 10, I would go** 21 **with my father to help measure ASCS Government acres in** 22 **Butler County, Iowa. When I asked my dad why we had** Page 280

1 **Kennedy acres, his direct answer was because some years** 2 **we farmers can produce too much corn. That is also why** 3 **we have so many Government loan seal stickers on the** 4 **corn cribs we would go to measure as the farmers put** 5 **their corn under loan to the farmer-owned reserve.** 6 **On my 21st birthday, April 6th of '73, my wife and** 7 **I started farming, and our landlord, a retired attorney** 8 **who lived through the Depression and the New Deal era,** 9 **also advised us to participate in the Government** 10 **programs. His viewpoint was the U.S. Government knew** 11 **best how to keep the economy growing and that if the** 12 **farmers had dollars to spend, it would help everyone.** 13 **Well, we have had to learn many acronyms and** 14 **programs in the past 42 years, from ARC to LDP to PIK,** 15 **plus many more like countercyclical payment, CSP, and** 16 **CRP. Each program had a purpose and run for a period** 17 **of years.** 18 **Today, with over 5 billion bushels of corn making** 19 **its first stop at an ethanol plant to be processed into** 20 **ethanol, corn oil, and DDGs, I have to wonder just how** 21 **big the farmer-owned reserve would be and how low the** 22 **price of corn would be without the RFS2.**

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1 **As a child, we thought 80 to 100 bushel corn was** 2 **great yield. Today, we produce in excess of 200** 3 **bushels using much less commercial fertilizer per** 4 **bushel. We also use best management practices to** 5 **sustain our soils and protect our waterways with CRP** 6 **buffer strips.** 7 **Our farm equipment and technologies, as well as** 8 **the seed germplasm, is so much better today than in** 9 **past years. Just think of the yield increases our** 10 **farmers have produced since the RFS1 was passed in** 11 **2005. This incremental increase in yield per acre** 12 **should be in of itself been enough to make the RVO for** 13 **dry grind corn ethanol go up.** 14 **The American farmer answered the challenge of** 15 **former President George W. Bush when he asked us to** 16 **help end our addiction to foreign oil. We not only** 17 **grew the corn, but we have also helped build a** 18 **renewable fuels industry that went from 300 million** 19 **gallons of production to a capacity of over 14 billion** 20 **gallons.** 21 **Many of these plants were built and financed** 22 **similar to Golden Grain Energy, LLC, with 700-plus Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **shareholders investing their hard-earned dollars to** 2 **create jobs and markets for their corn. Unfortunately,** 3 **the EPA has created an aura of distrust and uncertainty** 4 **over the past couple years due to their inability to** 5 **make timely, positive growth decisions for the RFS2.** 6 **If the EPA has, indeed, the authority to decrease** 7 **the RVO of the RFS2 by congressional intent, under what** 8 **scenario or circumstances will the EPA increase the dry** 9 **grind portion of corn ethanol? Obviously, the EPA did** 10 **not feel necessary when we produced 2 years back-to** 11 **back of 14 billion bushel corn crops, and corn prices** 12 **have plummeted over 50 percent. Or when E85 blends are** 13 **selling in northern Iowa for $1 less per gallon than** 14 **regular gas.** 15 **I cannot understand the EPA's possible reasoning** 16 **for lowering the RVOs for dry grind corn ethanol** 17 **production. I have no doubts our farmers and our** 18 **industry can produce all the ethanol needed to move to** 19 **E15 and higher blends nationwide. This would help** 20 **immensely in reaching our goals nationally for less** 21 **than 25 percent imported fuels by 2025.** 22 **I fully understand the economic impact of the RFS**

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1 **and the RFS2 has had on our rural communities and the** 2 **jobs in the peripheral industries as well. The EPA's** 3 **indecision of the past has stymied investment** 4 **opportunities not only for dry grind corn ethanol, but** 5 **also for the biofuels technologies as well.** 6 **I visited with EPA Administrators Karl Brooks and** 7 **Janet McCabe before about this, and I sincerely hope** 8 **you not only hear today, but listen to what the people** 9 **here in Kansas City have to inform you. Together, we** 10 **can build a stronger, more energy self-reliant nation** 11 **and a robust economy. Does the EPA want to support the** 12 **RFS or the farmer-owned reserve with higher** 13 **governmental cost?** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you.** 16 **(Applause.)** 17 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And pardon the interruption,** 18 **panel. There is now a white truck from Plymouth Energy** 19 **that is now blocking the buses. It may not get** 20 **pancaked like the car, but if somebody could please go** 21 **move that so that they could exit from the parking** 22 **garage? So a white truck from Plymouth Energy.** Page 284

1 **And also I'd remind our panelists to please be** 2 **respectful of the time limit. You can always submit** 3 **the full context of your text for the record.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **MR. TINGLE: Good afternoon. My name is Chris** 6 **Tingle, and I'm the head of marketing for Enogen corn** 7 **enzyme technology with Syngenta. I'm here to express** 8 **deep concern regarding the recently proposed rule for** 9 **the 2014 through 2016 renewable volume obligations, or** 10 **RVOs, as required as part of the renewable fuel** 11 **standard, RFS.** 12 **Syngenta is one of the world's leading companies,** 13 **with more than 29,000 employees in over 90 countries** 14 **dedicated to our purpose of bringing plant potential to** 15 **life. Through world-class science, global reach, and** 16 **commitment to our customers, we help to increase crop** 17 **productivity, protect the environment, and improve the** 18 **health and quality of life.** 19 **Our investment in technology for the ethanol** 20 **industry underpins that dedication to serving our** 21 **customers and the planet. The RFS, with unadulterated** 22 **implementation, is a proven driver of billions in**

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1 **economic activity across America. Eight hundred fifty** 2 **thousand jobs, over $184 billion of economic output,** 3 **$46.2 billion in wages, $14.5 billion in taxes each** 4 **year is a clear indicator that this policy is a** 5 **success, especially when the activity creates a** 6 **multiplier effect throughout the economy, as employees** 7 **and suppliers re-spend these dollars.** 8 **The drastic cuts proposed by the EPA with the 2014** 9 **through 2016 RFS will have a devastating impact on** 10 **agriculture, rural economies, and will stifle** 11 **investment in ethanol plants throughout the nation. By** 12 **backtracking from congressional intent, the agency is** 13 **sending a signal that the Government no longer supports** 14 **the production of biofuels, which would have an** 15 **especially chilling effect to further investment in** 16 **cellulosic ethanol by private investors.** 17 **Syngenta has demonstrated its commitment to the** 18 **cellulosic industry through the development of Enogen** 19 **corn enzyme technology and a partnership with the Quad** 20 **County Corn Processors and their state-of-the-art** 21 **Cellerate process.** 22 **Enogen is a shining example of what the RFS has Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **enabled through private investment in biofuels. Our** 2 **company has dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars** 3 **to the development of this revolutionary technology** 4 **that has been proven to provide a premium back to the** 5 **farm economy and deliver unparalleled environmental** 6 **benefits to the ethanol production process.** 7 **In fact, trial results have concluded that per 100** 8 **million gallon ethanol plant, Enogen corn enabled** 9 **efficiency improvements have saved more than 68 million** 10 **gallons of water, nearly 10 million kilowatts of** 11 **electricity, and more than 350 billion BTUs of natural** 12 **gas while reducing CO2 emissions by more than 100** 13 **million pounds. Those results translate into increased** 14 **economic efficiencies for the ethanol plants and** 15 **increased revenues for corn growers by making them now** 16 **enzyme suppliers in addition to delivering corn to the** 17 **ethanol plant.** 18 **By combining Enogen and Cellerate, we are now able** 19 **to deliver innovation to the RFS, especially the RFS2** 20 **that was designed to deliver. If the foundation is** 21 **ripped out from under the policy, there will be no** 22 **indication of certainty that Syngenta and other**

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1 **companies can count on in order to make large** 2 **investments in the biofuel space.** 3 **Syngenta applauds the agency for holding this** 4 **timely hearing. We appreciate the opportunity to share** 5 **our concerns on a policy that is critical to our** 6 **nation's energy independence, the rural American** 7 **economy, and the environment.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **(Applause.)** 10 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you. Next?** 11 **MR. BACKMAN: Hi. My name is Paul Backman. I'm** 12 **also with Syngenta. I am the head of plant operations** 13 **for Syngenta, and I'm here to express deep concern** 14 **regarding the recently proposed rule for the 2014** 15 **through '16 renewable volume obligation as required as** 16 **part of the renewable fuel standard.** 17 **The drastic cuts proposed by the EPA will have a** 18 **shattering impact on the rural economy and will stifle** 19 **investment in the ethanol plants throughout the nation.** 20 **If the EPA and the Government turn their backs on** 21 **production of the current conventional biofuels, it'll** 22 **result in devastation for the full-scale** Page 288

1 **commercialization of the next biofuels.** 2 **The industry has just begun the commercialization** 3 **of these next-generation biofuels, such as cellulosic.** 4 **Syngenta is one of the world's leading companies in** 5 **our investment and our 29,000 employees worldwide, and** 6 **we have a commitment to our customers as well as to our** 7 **investors as to bringing plant potential to life.** 8 **Syngenta has demonstrated its commitment to the** 9 **cellulosic ethanol industry through the development of** 10 **Enogen, as my colleague just described. Enogen is a** 11 **perfect example of what the RFS has enabled through** 12 **private investment in biofuels.** 13 **Our company has dedicated hundreds of millions of** 14 **dollars into the development of this revolutionary** 15 **technology that has proven to provide premium back to** 16 **the farm economy and delivered unparalleled** 17 **environmental benefits to ethanol production process.** 18 **Syngenta asks that the EPA does the following when** 19 **considering issuing a final proposal for 2014 through** 20 **'16 RFS targets. Number one, get the proposals back on** 21 **track with the congressional intent. This deviation is** 22 **stifling for any chance the RFS has of reaching**

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1 **fruition.** 2 **Number two, take into account that the blend wall** 3 **does not actually exist, but hold the obligated parties** 4 **accountable for what the law says they need to blend.** 5 **And third, limit the issuance of cellulosic waiver** 6 **credits. These credits were designed to be issued only** 7 **in circumstances of cellulosic feedstock shortfalls.** 8 **The RFS is a driver of billions of dollars in** 9 **economic activity across America and is responsible for** 10 **hundreds of thousands of jobs and $184 billion of** 11 **economic output. $46.2 billion in wages and $14.5** 12 **billion in taxes each year is a clear indicator that** 13 **this policy is a success.** 14 **Now is not the time to take the wind from the** 15 **sails of progress. Please get this program back on** 16 **track. Syngenta applauds the agency for holding this** 17 **timely hearing today and to hear about our concerns.** 18 **And it is critical that we lead our nation's energy** 19 **independence and the rural American economy and the** 20 **environment.** 21 **Thank you.** 22 **(Applause.) Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **MR. TAPP: Thank you. Next?** 2 **MR. OERKE: I got moved up. So my name is Marvin** 3 **Oerke. And if you see the name, it's kind of hard to** 4 **recognize it because it starts with an O. But that's** 5 **my great-grandfather, who came from Germany.** 6 **And so, I've been farming all my life and have** 7 **been kind of a person that would have a little bit of a** 8 **vision. And so, I'm supporting the gasohol sign here** 9 **because it was made for American Agri-Fuels** 10 **Corporation, a public stock company. It has offices in** 11 **1006 Grand, Kansas City, Missouri, 10th floor.** 12 **And we tried -- from 1978 to '81, we tried to** 13 **develop an ethanol plant in the area. We had a plant** 14 **site west of Rockport, Missouri, 4 miles west. And we** 15 **had a plant site there. And what we did was we found** 16 **out that the molecular sieve product was available. It** 17 **was used for taking water out of oil.** 18 **And so, we tested it, taking the water out of the** 19 **ethanol. At that time we called it fuel alcohol, and** 20 **so that worked, and so we developed and built 10 units.** 21 **That's 10,000 gallons a day at Rockport.** 22 **Then we run onto a problem. It seemed as though**

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1 **the petroleum companies didn't want us to use ethanol** 2 **to make gasohol, so much so that they wouldn't use it.** 3 **Then we asked to buy some gasoline from them. They** 4 **said, no, we won't sell you any gasoline.** 5 **So we took our lawyer and went to Washington,** 6 **D.C., and got a Federal court order demanding, finding** 7 **that the petroleum fuel companies would have to sell** 8 **American Agri-Fuels gasoline so we can make gasohol.** 9 **Now when the RFS2 came along, I believe that** 10 **that's a big step because that was the problem was if** 11 **most of the people, most of the fuel is through big** 12 **suppliers, they're not very interested in it. So** 13 **anyway, I want you to try to get it back to the regular** 14 **standard. I might say that we've got an ethanol plant** 15 **in Missouri here that's been very efficient. We keep** 16 **getting more efficient all the time, and we also was in** 17 **biodiesel.** 18 **We started Prairie Pride, Incorporated, down in** 19 **Deerfield, Missouri, and we had over 1,050 members and** 20 **invested $50 million in that project. But because the** 21 **State and the Federal dropped the incentive, we lost it** 22 **and we had to be partner with ADM. So we're partnering** Page 292

1 **up there.** 2 **So, anyway, thank you for your time. I hope you** 3 **keep on keeping the standard like it was before.** 4 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you. Any questions?** 5 **(No response.)** 6 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 7 **(Applause.)** 8 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Will Panel 34 move forward,** 9 **please? Panel 36 to the staging area.** 10 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And Panel 36, we have listed** 11 **Mike, and forgive me for not pronouncing this** 12 **correctly, and I'm not sure if it's Jerke?** 13 **MR. JERKE: Jerke.** 14 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Jerke? Thank you. Jeff** 15 **Scharping, Michael Chisam, Bruce Patterson, Steve Roe,** 16 **and Mark Marquis.** 17 **MS. KLEEB: There's a girl on this panel. So it** 18 **could get crazy.** 19 **(Laughter.)** 20 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Please proceed.** 21 **MR. VEIT: Hi. I'm Christopher Veit, director of** 22 **business development for Mascoma, LLC, a division of**

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1 **Lallemand, Inc., a global company specialized in yeast** 2 **and bacteria-related products for a wide variety of** 3 **applications, including biofuels. Mascoma, LLC, is** 4 **located in Lebanon, New Hampshire, and employs 40** 5 **people, almost all scientists who are focused on the** 6 **research and development of novel engineered yeasts for** 7 **the biofuels industry.** 8 **Since its inception in 2006, Mascoma has invested** 9 **over $200 million to develop and launch new yeast** 10 **products for both first- and second-generation** 11 **biofuels. Key to enabling this investment was the** 12 **stability of the first-generation industry and a desire** 13 **to provide new enabling products for second-generation** 14 **biofuels as supported by the RFS.** 15 **Since Mascoma's inception in 2006, we have seen** 16 **firsthand the positive impact the RFS has had on local** 17 **economies and throughout the U.S., as the biofuels** 18 **industry grew dramatically and realized major** 19 **efficiency gains via the adoption of new technologies** 20 **and better practices.** 21 **The instability in the biofuel market since 2013** 22 **resulting from EPA's lack of a long-term and stable Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **energy policy has increased the risk for potential** 2 **investors and discouraged further investments in the** 3 **next generation of biofuels. Though three cellulosic** 4 **biofuel plants began production in 2014 and a fourth is** 5 **scheduled to begin production in 2015, no additional** 6 **cellulosic facilities have been announced since 2013.** 7 **The uncertainty around the changing RFS has been a** 8 **factor in this drop.** 9 **While appreciating the fact that the EPA is trying** 10 **to be aggressive on the blending targets for advanced** 11 **biofuels, the conditions under which those targets are** 12 **waived has emerged as a key issue. Companies trying to** 13 **limit advanced biofuels will be able to secure waiver** 14 **credits rather than work with the biofuels industry to** 15 **increase the use of biofuels via higher biofuel blends.** 16 **Though the technical rationale is weak and the** 17 **work done to prove that higher blends of ethanol in our** 18 **gasoline provide an excellent and clean-burning fuel,** 19 **the blend wall has become the stumbling block for** 20 **slowing the growth of the biofuels industry. Since the** 21 **early 2000s, much of my focus has been on working with** 22 **scientists and innovative companies to bring enabling**

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1 **enzymes and yeasts to future second-generation** 2 **producers.** 3 **It has been a struggle, yet since the RFS was put** 4 **into place in 2006, great strides have been made, and** 5 **cellulosic-based biofuels are now being produced on a** 6 **large scale. A stable RFS without loopholes for the** 7 **competition is an essential component for cellulosic** 8 **biofuels to grow and realize commercial viability.** 9 **We are at a crossroads, and Lallemand and** 10 **Mascoma's future investment in developing technologies** 11 **for second-generation biofuels will end if this market** 12 **cannot move forward. As it stands, this proposal** 13 **discourages us from investing further in the** 14 **technologies needed to make second-generation biofuels** 15 **a commercial reality.** 16 **I thank you for your time.** 17 **MR. TAPP: Thank you, Christopher. Next?** 18 **MR. AMMANN: Good afternoon. I'm Craig Ammann,** 19 **director of sales for North America from Lallemand** 20 **Biofuels and Distilled Spirits, located in Duluth,** 21 **Georgia. We're a fermentation ingredients company that** 22 **manufactures yeast and supplies antibiotics and** Page 296

1 **nutrients to the industry as well.** 2 **As a supplier to this industry, we have developed** 3 **and introduced many new products for fermentation into** 4 **the first- and second-generation markets. Most** 5 **recently, biotech yeast strains that help plants** 6 **minimize costly overhead in fermentation.** 7 **The RFS has been a tremendous success not only for** 8 **our local economy, but also for our nation as well.** 9 **The ethanol industry answered the call and has produced** 10 **necessary volumes of renewable fuels to meet the** 11 **ambitious goals of the RFS. Yet the major oil** 12 **corporations have failed to do their part, and the EPA** 13 **is rewarding them for their failure to invest in the** 14 **higher ethanol blends.** 15 **If there was ever an industry capable of** 16 **championing the cause to further our country's** 17 **dependence on foreign oil, it is the petroleum** 18 **corporations that continue to post record-setting** 19 **profits quarter over quarter. Further, these same** 20 **entities fund a continual negative spin machine,** 21 **keeping the American public confused and resistant to** 22 **renewable fuels. Only by increasing the level of**

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1 **renewable fuel can we break our nation's dangerous** 2 **addiction to foreign oil.** 3 **As a veteran, I proudly served in the Middle East** 4 **in support of Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm.** 5 **As a logistics supervisor at the division level, I saw** 6 **firsthand the unfathomable amount of physical and** 7 **monetary resources required to protect our interest in** 8 **foreign oil, a fight, as we all know, that continues** 9 **today.** 10 **Why would we not utilize and, more importantly,** 11 **proliferate all means available to lessen our** 12 **dependence on others in the world to fuel this** 13 **country's transportation requirements? With this** 14 **thought process in mind, it is clear that decreasing** 15 **the RFS requirements is not only a step backwards, but** 16 **only shows the EPA's clouded vision to work toward** 17 **energy independence in a fair and timely fashion.** 18 **Further, the RFS has been critical to our nation's** 19 **agricultural and rural economy. Ethanol production has** 20 **provided an essential market for our nation's grain** 21 **farmers and has revitalized rural communities around** 22 **the country while saving taxpayers billions of dollars Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **in farm program payments and subsidies.** 2 **The RFS gives American consumers a true choice at** 3 **the pump. It helps provide market access for higher** 4 **ethanol blends like E15, E20, E30, and E85. Without** 5 **the RFS, the major oil corporations who control the** 6 **fueling infrastructure will continue to stonewall and** 7 **protect their monopoly on gasoline.** 8 **We as a nation must move forward beyond this** 9 **mindset that this country can only rely on legacy** 10 **technology and continuing dig up our country's** 11 **backyards in the constant pursuit of more oil. Let us** 12 **not forget when an oil reservoir runs dry, it runs dry** 13 **for good.** 14 **The RFS was designed to force the oil industry to** 15 **change the status quo, not to perpetuate it. The blend** 16 **wall is a creation of the oil corporations' failure to** 17 **respond appropriately to the very clear market signal** 18 **given upon passage of the 2007 Energy Independence and** 19 **Security Act.** 20 **Oil companies and their downstream partners knew 8** 21 **years ago when the RFS2 was adopted that the policy** 22 **would eventually drive demand for ethanol blends above**

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1 **the 10 percent blend, or E10. Yet these corporations** 2 **failed to make any meaningful investments in the** 3 **terminal and retail infrastructure needed to distribute** 4 **higher-level blends like E85, E15, and others.** 5 **Infrastructure constraints do not appear in the statute** 6 **and were expressly rejected by Congress when the RFS** 7 **was passed.** 8 **In closing, the proposed reduction to the current** 9 **RFS is not only irresponsible, it sends a clear signal** 10 **to the people of the United States that the EPA cannot** 11 **smartly manage policy or stand up to the onslaught of** 12 **the oil industry's negative spin machine and bottomless** 13 **checkbooks.** 14 **I would respectfully ask the EPA to not** 15 **procrastinate, rather proliferate the existing RFS in** 16 **place today. I thank the panel for your time and** 17 **attention.** 18 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, Craig. Next?** 19 **MR. DIEDIKER: Good afternoon, and thank you for** 20 **the opportunity to speak here today.** 21 **My name is Bryan Diediker. I'm the environmental** 22 **health and safety manager at Plymouth Energy in** Page 300

1 **Merrill, Iowa. I am one of 400,000 hard-working** 2 **Americans who rely on a strong renewable fuel standard** 3 **for our independence, our freedom of choice, and our** 4 **ability to provide for our families.** 5 **Americans in our part of the country believe in** 6 **hard work, being honest, and using a common sense** 7 **approach when making decisions. It's becoming more and** 8 **more evident that common sense is fading from this** 9 **world, and a reduction of the renewable volume** 10 **obligations supports this theory.** 11 **According to the Argonne National Laboratory,** 12 **ethanol reduces greenhouse gases by up to 57 percent,** 13 **compared to conventional gasoline. In 2013, the 13** 14 **billion gallons of ethanol produced reduced greenhouse** 15 **gas emissions by 38 million metric tons.** 16 **The working class I'm speaking on behalf of would** 17 **undoubtedly agree that decreasing emissions is what's** 18 **best for our country and something the Environmental** 19 **Protection Agency should consider before making their** 20 **final rule.** 21 **In conclusion, I feel responsible to stress the** 22 **concerns of all green-collared, hard-working Americans**

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1 **and ask that you reconsider your renewable volume** 2 **obligations. Keep these jobs available to our rural** 3 **communities, give us the freedom to choose at the pump,** 4 **and help us to make this world a better place to raise** 5 **our families.** 6 **A Native American proverb reads, "We do not** 7 **inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it** 8 **from our children."** 9 **Thank you.** 10 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you, Bryan. Next?** 11 **MR. BECKER: Thank you today for coming to the** 12 **Midwest. We really appreciate that.** 13 **My name is John Becker. I managed a feed and** 14 **grain co-op for 37 years, and I'm currently investor** 15 **and director of Plymouth Energy, a 55 million gallon** 16 **per year ethanol plant located in Merrill, Iowa. I'm** 17 **here today as a renewable fuel supporter to encourage** 18 **the EPA to finalize the RFS that matches up to the** 19 **volumes specified in the law.** 20 **Up until the early 2000s the price of corn was** 21 **regularly less than $2 a bushel, which was well below** 22 **the cost of production. As a result, Government was Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **subsidizing the farmers, which cost Government billions** 2 **of dollars. Yields in northwest Iowa were running from** 3 **125 to 160 bushels per acres, and farmers were just** 4 **getting by.** 5 **Farm kids weren't coming back to the farm because** 6 **low commodity prices did not prove enough income to** 7 **support two families. As a result, many of the farm** 8 **kids ended up abandoning agriculture and going to the** 9 **city to get a job, and frankly, I was wondering where** 10 **that next generation of kids were going to come from.** 11 **Then, in the mid 2000s, the ethanol industry took** 12 **off. In a short few years, farmers were able to raise** 13 **a crop based on the market rather than relying on a** 14 **check from Uncle Sam. The transformation of** 15 **agriculture allowed seed companies to invest in better** 16 **genetics, improve manufacturing to implement --** 17 **manufacturers to accelerate the development of** 18 **incredible technology breakthroughs, and farmers to** 19 **modernize management practices and maximize** 20 **efficiencies.** 21 **Now roughly a decade later, our yields in** 22 **northwest Iowa average 200 bushels per acre, and as**

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1 **technology and efficiency have flourished the past 10** 2 **years also has production. Some of the most profitable** 3 **years we have ever seen in agriculture, and it's no** 4 **accident that these profit years coincide with the RFS.** 5 **The success of the rural economy in my area alone** 6 **is a testimony to the importance of the RFS. As** 7 **ethanol production increased, local access to co** 8 **products, such as high-protein distillers grain, helped** 9 **to bring down feed cost for livestock producers.** 10 **Today, we have more hogs and cattle in our area, which** 11 **allowed the co-op to put up a new feed mill and** 12 **increase efficiency.** 13 **The co-op sells corn to the ethanol plant and** 14 **brings distillers grain to the feed mill. We have seen** 15 **dramatic increases in construction of cattle and hog** 16 **buildings, and young farmers are returning to the farm.** 17 **The county supervisor said because of the ethanol** 18 **plant being here and paying property taxes, they could** 19 **replace two much-needed bridges. With all the new** 20 **buildings, new feed mills, new grain bins, new** 21 **machinery, and new infrastructure to go along with** 22 **increase in farm income and land values, it's clear** Page 304

1 **that the growth in the ethanol industry as a result of** 2 **the RFS has been a huge win for rural America.** 3 **It's been good for farmers. It's been good for** 4 **consumers, as ethanol has lowered fuel prices,** 5 **increased choices at the pump. It's been good for** 6 **local, State, and Federal Government as revenues have** 7 **increased. It's been good for our growing small** 8 **communities. It's been good for air quality. It's** 9 **been good for national security.** 10 **Let American ingenuity thrive. Farmers will meet** 11 **the challenges. So let's get back to the levels that** 12 **Congress intended it to be.** 13 **Thanks for your consideration.** 14 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, John. Next?** 15 **MR. HANSEN: Hello. I'm Rick Hansen, and I got** 16 **the most important job in the world. I'm a grandpa.** 17 **I did have the privilege of addressing you all in** 18 **Washington, D.C., in 2013. I'm sure you remember that** 19 **I farm and feed cattle in northwest Iowa, and I** 20 **probably don't have to remind you how great the ethanol** 21 **byproducts have been for my business.** 22 **However, today I'm here to talk to you about**

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1 **something that's important to all of us -- baseball,** 2 **grandkids, and the future of this country.** 3 **Let's start with baseball. Due to the jobs** 4 **created by the ethanol business, myself and a lot of my** 5 **neighbors do not have to travel a great distance to** 6 **watch our grandkids play baseball. Our communities are** 7 **flourishing.** 8 **Our young people are staying on the farm and in** 9 **our small communities. Now, to me, that's as American** 10 **as it gets.** 11 **Now we all know it costs a lot to raise a family** 12 **today. That's why we need to keep our jobs here in the** 13 **United States. That's just common sense. Let's quit** 14 **sending billions of dollars to countries who hate** 15 **Americans and wish to bring us all harm.** 16 **When was the last time you heard of a farmer** 17 **carrying a gun or a bomb into a plane or a crowded** 18 **building? Why, they don't even fit in our overalls.** 19 **Do you see where I'm headed here?** 20 **I don't want my grandkids to go from the baseball** 21 **field to the battlefield to protect something that** 22 **isn't even ours. We can produce ethanol fuels here in Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **America cleaner, cheaper, and a lot safer.** 2 **Now after everyone is done here today giving you** 3 **all of their reasons and trying to influence your** 4 **decision, please do what's right for all our families'** 5 **futures. It's simple. Made in the USA. Use your God** 6 **given common sense. Don't do it for the money. Do it** 7 **because it's the right thing to do.** 8 **Remember, ethanol. Cleaner, cheaper, safer,** 9 **American made. Made in the USA. Made in the U -- that** 10 **has a ring to it, doesn't it? There could even be a** 11 **song about that, yeah.** 12 **(Laughter.)** 13 **MR. HANSEN: Thank you.** 14 **(Applause.)** 15 **MR. TAPP: Thanks, Rick. Next?** 16 **MS. KLEEB: Hi there. My name is Jane Kleeb, and** 17 **I am with a group called Bold Nebraska.** 18 **Big oil is anti-farmer. Always has been. Always** 19 **will be. Whether it's trying to shove a tar sands** 20 **pipeline in a farmer's field so when it bursts it** 21 **destroys their livelihoods or whether it's trying to** 22 **decrease the amount of ethanol that's blended with the**

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1 **gasoline at the pump, big oil is anti-farmer.** 2 **The good news is the EPA has stood with family** 3 **farmers for generations. Whether it's coming up with** 4 **solutions to save water or working with the Department** 5 **of Agriculture to encourage no-till farming, practices** 6 **like that, that farmers of everybody in this room and** 7 **across the State of Nebraska do, help combat climate** 8 **change and help save our land and water.** 9 **Bold Nebraska is a group with one foot in the** 10 **environmental community and one foot in the property** 11 **rights and agriculture community. And so, we** 12 **understand some of the environmental community's** 13 **concerns about ethanol, but we sure don't buy big oil's** 14 **spin about the false food versus fuel debate, and we** 15 **certainly don't think and would never pretend to** 16 **believe that any of the junk environmental science that** 17 **they call -- that they call it that big oil puts out** 18 **that somehow putting Keystone XL through our land and** 19 **water to the export market to China would be worse for** 20 **our climate than producing ethanol.** 21 **The EPA and the Department of Agriculture science** 22 **is crystal clear. Producing ethanol and biofuels** Page 308

1 **decreases carbon emissions from anywhere from 34 to 100** 2 **percent. And the last time I looked, no farmer has** 3 **soaked a dolphin in a bunch of oil, and no farmer has** 4 **destroyed somebody's livelihood by a tar sands or an** 5 **oil pipeline bursting into their wheat or corn field.** 6 **Those of us that live in rural America know that** 7 **when a farmer drops off his seed to the ethanol** 8 **facility, that that single piece of corn represents** 9 **more than putting gas into our car. It represents** 10 **building our communities. It represents plastics that** 11 **reduce the amount of carbon in our communities, and it** 12 **represents a seed of resistance that in rural** 13 **communities we know what that means.** 14 **It means that we have the grit and the resiliency** 15 **to get off of foreign oil and to start getting off oil,** 16 **period, because we have the ability to grow America's** 17 **energy, whether that's with biofuels, whether that's** 18 **with solar, or whether that's with wind.** 19 **So for decades, big oil has had their boot on our** 20 **necks, and it's a really crystal clear way that the EPA** 21 **can help lift that boot off of our families' neck.** 22 **It's to raise the renewable fuel standard. That is a**

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1 **power shift that will significantly change not only our** 2 **rural communities, but will actually start to prove** 3 **that we can combat climate change.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **(Applause.)** 6 **MR. TAPP: Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much.** 7 **Will Panel 36 move up to the front, and Panel 38** 8 **to the staging area?** 9 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: And I'd like to identify our** 10 **panelists and make sure they're here. So for Panel 38,** 11 **Edward Condon, Nick Bowdish, Brian Cahill, David** 12 **Kramer, and Rhett Adams. Are all those people here?** 13 **(Pause.)** 14 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Okay. Thank you.** 15 **(Pause.)** 16 **MR. TAPP: All right. Go ahead.** 17 **MR. JERKE: Good afternoon, and thank you for the** 18 **opportunity to testify here today.** 19 **My name is Mike Jerke, and I am the chief** 20 **executive officer for Guardian Energy. Guardian** 21 **currently owns three ethanol production facilities --** 22 **one each in Minnesota, Ohio, and North Dakota -- that Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **have a combined capacity of just over 300 million** 2 **gallons per year. Those three facilities employ 135** 3 **people.** 4 **Our company is unique in that it was created and** 5 **is owned by six farmer-owned ethanol producers that are** 6 **located in Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, and South Dakota.** 7 **Each of these producing companies has between 500 and** 8 **1,000 owners. Ultimately then, Guardian's ownership** 9 **consists of nearly 4,000 farmers. And while they are** 10 **from different geographic locations, they all shared a** 11 **same vision of rural revitalization, energy** 12 **independence, and environmental stewardship.** 13 **The RFS was created, debated, and passed by** 14 **Congress for the express purpose of creating targets** 15 **that would provide certainty to the industry and** 16 **investment community. Provisions were included for two** 17 **very specific reasons that the congressional authority** 18 **authorized targets, that is, could be reduced.** 19 **One was if there was an economic harm created by** 20 **the statute, and the other was if the ethanol industry** 21 **was unable to supply the required amounts. Beyond** 22 **these off ramps, the legislation included allowance for**

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1 **a credit trading system in lieu of utilizing the** 2 **physical gallons. This provision was created in large** 3 **part to address concerns raised by the petroleum** 4 **industry.** 5 **The concern we have is that the EPA proposed rule** 6 **that brings us here today completely deviates from the** 7 **legislation. Yes, the rule is less of a reduction than** 8 **previously suggested. But we cannot lose sight that** 9 **any proposed reduction, unless it is based on the black** 10 **letter language of the law, is misguided, and EPA needs** 11 **to reverse this course.** 12 **Our owners invested significant dollars and took** 13 **significant risk based on the vision I previously** 14 **mentioned. As their investment has borne fruit, they** 15 **consistently express desire to reinvest in the** 16 **industry.** 17 **Removing targets that were established by Congress** 18 **does not provide the certainty that gives them** 19 **confidence to continue with that approach.** 20 **Specifically, as we review new technologies that allow** 21 **for the production of ethanol from cellulose, it is not** 22 **unreasonable to believe that if the EPA is willing to** Page 312

1 **make adjustments, that we're not part of the statute** 2 **once, they may do it again.** 3 **Many issues we face are complex. This one is** 4 **straightforward. Stick to the statute. Leave the** 5 **targets within the RFS as originally drafted. Do not** 6 **move forward with the proposed reduction. In short,** 7 **don't mess with the RFS.** 8 **Thank you for your attention, and please consider** 9 **these comments as you move toward final rulemaking.** 10 **(Applause.)** 11 **MR. TAPP: Thank you, Mike. Next?** 12 **MR. SCHARPING: Hello. I'm Jeff Scharping with** 13 **ICM. ICM has designed and built 102 ethanol plants,** 14 **including the one you visited yesterday in Garnett,** 15 **Kansas.** 16 **In the past, the producers' credit dollars went to** 17 **big oil with the intent to increase blending** 18 **infrastructure. They did not do their job. If you** 19 **want blending infrastructure rapidly expanded at the** 20 **retail level, lowering the RVO will have the opposite** 21 **effect.** 22 **Instead, extend the 1-pound waiver to higher**

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1 **blends of ethanol, such as E15. The vapor pressure** 2 **restriction is the biggest roadblock to letting** 3 **retailers such as Sheetz and Minnoco offering consumers** 4 **the choice at the pump.** 5 **The EPA can quickly act on this, and it supports** 6 **the congressional intent of the RFS. Allow the** 7 **retailers to do their job.** 8 **ICM's job is to continuously develop new** 9 **technology for more efficient and lower-cost production** 10 **of ethanol. Cellulosic ethanol from the corn fiber is** 11 **ready today, with our Generation 1.5 technology. This** 12 **bolt-on technology is completely integrated into the** 13 **existing plant, using no additional water or chemicals.** 14 **ICM's DOE-sponsored demonstration plant is just 30** 15 **minutes up the road in St. John, Missouri, and has just** 16 **successfully completed a second 1,000-hour cellulosic** 17 **run.** 18 **With the cellulosic add-on, an existing plant can** 19 **yield an existing 10 percent more ethanol as cellulosic** 20 **from the same amount of corn. That's 12 million** 21 **gallons per plant from the same volume of corn. That's** 22 **a 3.1 gallons a bushel efficiency, which is amazing. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **But at a $25 million price tag, my customers need** 2 **RIN stability of at least 4 years into the future for** 3 **planning. Unfortunately, since the rumors started in** 4 **2012 of the EPA changing the statute volumes, it hit** 5 **the cellulosic customer like a wet blanket.** 6 **Cellulosic ethanol must stand on the shoulders of** 7 **a strong starch, corn-starched ethanol industry. We** 8 **need the stability of the original, congressionally** 9 **mandated RVO volumes. Allow the ethanol industry to do** 10 **its job. Keep the RFS on track.** 11 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you.** 12 **(Applause.)** 13 **MR. TAPP: Next?** 14 **MR. CHISAM: Good afternoon, and thank you for the** 15 **opportunity to testify. My name is Michael Chisam, and** 16 **I am president and CEO of Kansas Ethanol, LLC, in** 17 **Lyons, Kansas.** 18 **Our facility has been in operation since May 1,** 19 **2008, and would not have come to fruition without the** 20 **creation and implementation of the renewable fuel** 21 **standard, the most successful energy policy in America** 22 **in the last 40 years. The platform created by this**

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1 **policy allowed willing investors, courageous workers,** 2 **and innovative leaders to come together to fulfill the** 3 **intentions of the RFS and much more.** 4 **As intended by the Energy Independence and** 5 **Security Act, we have helped reduce our dependence on** 6 **foreign oil by 50 percent in the last decade and** 7 **improve national security. We have also revitalized** 8 **our small, rural communities across the country.** 9 **At our facility alone, we've increased direct** 10 **employment from 36 to 46 people since our inception and** 11 **support well over 100 indirect jobs in our local area.** 12 **These employees receive an average salary in excess of** 13 **$50,000 and have exceptional benefits. These** 14 **individuals pay taxes and spend their hard-earned cash** 15 **with local businesses.** 16 **The positive economic benefit of having an ethanol** 17 **facility in your community cannot be understated. But** 18 **the benefits reach well beyond an ethanol facility's** 19 **local community.** 20 **The industry supplies a year-round market for** 21 **local farmers' grain and provides value-added co** 22 **products to regional livestock owners. Farmers receive** Page 316

1 **better prices for their grain, and livestock owners** 2 **receive a consistent, high-quality feed for a** 3 **reasonable price.** 4 **The partnership that has evolved between local** 5 **farmers, livestock producers, and the ethanol** 6 **facilities is synergistic and is truly a win-win-win** 7 **situation. This synergistic relationship, especially** 8 **between farmers and the ethanol industry, has allowed** 9 **the U.S. Government to decrease farmer subsidy payments** 10 **by billions in the last several years.** 11 **Consumers also benefit greatly from the RFS. At** 12 **the pump, they have a choice, and they have saved 10** 13 **cents or more per gallon when filling with E10 and** 14 **could save an additional 5 to 10 cents more per gallon** 15 **with greater availability of E15 in the market.** 16 **Even the major oil companies benefit from the use** 17 **of ethanol. Not only is it a low-priced input for** 18 **their gasoline, it is also a superior source of octane** 19 **needed for blending with the suboctane gasoline stock** 20 **currently refined in the U.S. today.** 21 **Clearly, the RFS is a success today. It has** 22 **provided the platform that launched the biofuels**

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1 **industry, an industry that supports nearly 400,000** 2 **American jobs that cannot be outsourced, an industry** 3 **that has helped reduce our nation's dependence on** 4 **foreign oil by 50 percent. It has also helped to** 5 **reduce our carbon emissions.** 6 **It's an industry that has saved consumers money,** 7 **and it is an industry that has revitalized small, rural** 8 **communities across the country. The RFS has and will** 9 **continue to work, if implemented as intended by the** 10 **President and Congress in 2007. I respectfully request** 11 **that you increase the renewable volume obligations to** 12 **the statutory-dictated levels.** 13 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify, and** 14 **thank you for listening.** 15 **(Applause.)** 16 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 17 **MR. MARQUIS: My name is Mark Marquis. I'm the** 18 **president of Marquis Energy.** 19 **Along with my cousin, our families operate two** 20 **ethanol plants, Marquis Energy in Hennepin, Illinois,** 21 **and Marquis Energy Wisconsin in Necedah, Wisconsin. We** 22 **currently produce 230 million gallons per year of Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **ethanol.** 2 **Based on the commitments made by Congress in the** 3 **RFS2 that there would be an annual escalating** 4 **requirement for the usage of ethanol for the next 15** 5 **years through 2022, I sold two agriculture-related** 6 **businesses, opened an ethanol plant in 2008, and** 7 **purchased another ethanol plant in 2010. I did this on** 8 **the basis that demand for ethanol would be there going** 9 **forward.** 10 **The purpose of the RFS2 was to give investors** 11 **certainty that there would be a growing renewable fuels** 12 **business in the United States. The waiver authority** 13 **granted to the EPA in the RFS2 was only to be used in** 14 **the event that there was an inadequate domestic supply** 15 **of ethanol.** 16 **Last year, 800 million gallons of U.S. ethanol was** 17 **exported. It's obvious that there was not a lack of** 18 **domestic supply of ethanol.** 19 **Obligated parties, including oil companies, failed** 20 **to comply with the system that was set up and instead** 21 **complain about high RIN cost. This does not give EPA** 22 **the basis needed to waive the statutory requirement.**

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1 **Obligated parties have had 7 years to take action** 2 **and put in place the necessary infrastructure to offer** 3 **higher blends of ethanol. The fact that they refused** 4 **to make that investment and then claim that there is a** 5 **blend wall is a self-imposed problem.** 6 **The term "blend wall" was not included in the RFS** 7 **and is consequently not listed as a criteria for a** 8 **waiver. Furthermore, a reduction in miles driven or an** 9 **increase in average miles per gallon was also not** 10 **included or cited in the RFS2 as a criteria for waiver** 11 **authority for the EPA.** 12 **We are being cheated by the improper application** 13 **of a waiver, and the reason cited has nothing to do** 14 **with an inadequate supply of domestic ethanol. In** 15 **addition, ethanol is currently trading at 50 cents per** 16 **gallon below gasoline. EPA's improper actions are** 17 **forcing hundreds of millions of gallons of ethanol to** 18 **be sold to foreign buyers at a price 50 cents a gallon** 19 **cheaper than gasoline, a savings that could be provided** 20 **to U.S. motorists if the obligated parties were** 21 **incentivized by threat of high-cost RINs to invest in** 22 **appropriate infrastructure to market higher volumes of** Page 320

1 **low-cost, clean-burning renewable fuels.** 2 **In closing, I invested significant sums of money** 3 **in two ethanol plants based on the promises of my** 4 **government, and now my family is being penalized** 5 **because the EPA is giving the obligated parties a pass** 6 **on the obligation required by the renewable fuel** 7 **standard.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **(Applause.)** 10 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you. Next?** 11 **MR. ROE: My name is Steve Roe. I'm the general** 12 **manager of Little Sioux Corn Processors located in** 13 **Marcus, Iowa. I thought it was imperative that I make** 14 **my case today because of its importance to our industry** 15 **and our country.** 16 **Little Sioux is a grassroots organization. We** 17 **have over 800 investors who made an investment in** 18 **Little Sioux, hoping to raise the price of corn and** 19 **improve the economic well-being of their community.** 20 **They knew full well the venture carried risk, but they** 21 **moved forward anyway.** 22 **Little Sioux began production in April of 2003 as**

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1 **a 40 million gallon production plant. We have expanded** 2 **twice and are undergoing our third expansion this year.** 3 **The third expansion will take our capacity beyond** 4 **135 million gallons of annual production. The third** 5 **expansion exceeds the grandfathered production limit of** 6 **120 million gallons and was approved by the EPA** 7 **demonstrating greenhouse gas reductions greater than 20** 8 **percent through the Efficient Producer Program.** 9 **Without the RFS and its mechanism for market** 10 **access, the industry would have never grown this fast.** 11 **The law has had an economic effect on northwest Iowa** 12 **that cannot be understated.** 13 **The EPA has a decision to make on the RFS. It can** 14 **side with the oil industry and its inherent 90 percent** 15 **mandate by capping the required ethanol inclusion in** 16 **our gasoline supply at 10 percent, or it can stand up** 17 **for American jobs, farmers, and clean energy** 18 **innovation.** 19 **With this cap, innovation and investment in our** 20 **industry will die, and the dramatic strides that our** 21 **industry has made in the efficiencies will skid to a** 22 **halt. There has been a tremendous amount of capital Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **invested in transportation services, technical** 2 **expertise, and other support industries. Thousands of** 3 **jobs are at risk, and the perceived level of certainty** 4 **of the law is lost if the EPA continues its present** 5 **course.** 6 **The law was designed to push the barrier. It was** 7 **not designed to be comfortable for the obligated party.** 8 **It was designed to allow market access and give the** 9 **obligated party a mechanism to control their fate in** 10 **the marketplace.** 11 **Every gallon of ethanol produced in the United** 12 **States has a RIN attached to it. The RIN is free. The** 13 **marketplace creates a value for the RIN, but blending** 14 **over the 10 percent level does not push RIN values** 15 **higher. The marketplace does. And a value for the RIN** 16 **doesn't make gasoline prices move higher either.** 17 **I close with urging the EPA to reconsider. Basing** 18 **the RFS on an E10 blend wall violates the law as it was** 19 **intended by Congress.** 20 **Thank you for your time today.** 21 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, Steve.** 22 **(Applause.)**

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1 **MR. TAPP: Next?** 2 **MR. PATTERSON: My name is Bruce Patterson. I'm** 3 **here today representing Leaf Technologies, a business** 4 **unit of the Lesaffre Group.** 5 **We make and supply yeast for production of** 6 **biofuels. Lesaffre is the largest yeast company in the** 7 **world, with approximately 8,000 employees and 49** 8 **production sites around the globe.** 9 **I also come today individually, having ties to** 10 **many ag families, including Jay Lundeen of Fowler,** 11 **Kansas -- Jay cannot be here today, he's harvesting** 12 **wheat -- all of whom are direct beneficiaries of a** 13 **strong RFS.** 14 **Before you, a picture of Jay standing in front of** 15 **corn stover, which was used at the Abengoa plant in** 16 **Hugoton, Kansas. Jay is farming 5,000 acres, producing** 17 **corn, wheat, and soybeans. Now with corn stover and** 18 **wheat straw, Jay has a new cash crop that adds to his** 19 **bottom line.** 20 **See, by removing the residual from the field, Jay** 21 **saves time and money, has quicker emergence, and** 22 **improved yields. On top of that, he was paid by the** Page 324

1 **local ethanol plant for his collected biomass. Jay** 2 **hopes the demand for biomass will reach a point where** 3 **he can also plant switchgrass on dedicated CRP lands in** 4 **order to further contribute to our bioeconomy.** 5 **We at Lesaffre share Jay's vision and hope for the** 6 **future. In fact, Lesaffre has committed significant** 7 **time and resources in developing biocatalysts for** 8 **biofuel production. We see production of biofuel from** 9 **lignocellulosic materials as a platform for eventual** 10 **production of chemicals and building-block molecules** 11 **from renewable resources.** 12 **Beginning in 2008, we began working on** 13 **ethanologens that would convert these C5 sugars into** 14 **ethanol. As part of this development work, Lesaffre** 15 **has literally spent millions on acquiring the necessary** 16 **IP to commercialize its five carbon sugar organism,** 17 **which is used in the production of second-generation** 18 **ethanol in the United States and many other parts of** 19 **the world.** 20 **We have also begun construction of a multi-million** 21 **dollar production facility dedicated to the manufacture** 22 **of specialized yeasts which were required for the**

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1 **production of these advanced biofuels. An MCAN for our** 2 **first product has been submitted to EPA, and the plant** 3 **is scheduled to begin operation soon.** 4 **These investment decisions were made in order to** 5 **meet the 36 million gallon per year production targets** 6 **of the RFS. However, the proposed RVO falls way short** 7 **of expectations.** 8 **Without ambitious volumetric targets and strong** 9 **support by the EPA, investment into infrastructure and** 10 **expansion will be limited. Nor will it take advantage** 11 **of these new emerging technologies that are** 12 **commercially available today and close to economic** 13 **feasibility. The EPA should not back away from the** 14 **commitment made by a bipartisan Congress 8 years ago** 15 **and should continue to move forward as Congress and the** 16 **President intended.** 17 **Lastly, just a few weeks ago at the G-7 summit,** 18 **President Obama and other world leaders pledged to** 19 **eliminate the use of fossil fuels by the turn of the** 20 **century. If we're going to eliminate fossil fuels and** 21 **their harmful effects on our environment, we need to** 22 **continue our path, and we cannot abandon the RFS. We Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **trust the EPA will respond and act accordingly.** 2 **Thank you for your time and attention.** 3 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 4 **Any questions?** 5 **(Applause.)** 6 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Will Panel 38 please report to** 7 **the front, and Panel 40 to the staging area?** 8 **MR. ARGYROPOULOS: Actually, a slight change.** 9 **Yes, please, Panel 38 please come up. Panel 40,** 10 **because some people aren't here yet -- they haven't** 11 **checked in -- we're actually going to hold on Panel 40.** 12 **We applaud all of the people testifying because we are** 13 **not only on schedule in our room, but we're ahead of** 14 **schedule.** 15 **So, unfortunately, we're being penalized for that,** 16 **but -- but we are now going to be taking on Panel 33.** 17 **So they'll be our next panel that needs to be staged** 18 **over here up in the front on the right, and I'll ask** 19 **those panelists to please move forward. Bill Bracht,** 20 **Paul Bertels, Chris Van Roekel, and Coral Didion.** 21 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Please proceed.** 22 **MR. CONDON: To the members of the EPA who are**

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1 **here in Kansas today, thanks for being here. Welcome** 2 **to Kansas.** 3 **My name is Ed Condon. I'm a director of Conestoga** 4 **Energy Holdings, which operates -- owns and operates** 5 **two plants in southwest Kansas, and it operates a third** 6 **in the Panhandle of Texas. And what we do in the plant** 7 **is we put sugar to its highest and best use.** 8 **What we do then with -- you know, the misnomer** 9 **that we consume corn is exactly that, a misnomer. We** 10 **don't consume anything, except the sugar, and then the** 11 **nutrients go down the pathway to the cattle farmer.** 12 **The cattle raisers have -- cattle have no biological** 13 **need for sugar. They're not missing a thing. They** 14 **literally urinate away the sugar.** 15 **And so, because of that, we're employing the whole** 16 **kernel. We're getting more value. We're putting it to** 17 **a higher value, and because we're not wasting a key** 18 **component, the deficiency payments to farmers have gone** 19 **away. And the ethanol industry has done that.** 20 **RFS has worked. I don't know of any other energy** 21 **policy in this country that has worked as well. It has** 22 **displaced 10 percent of what would otherwise be** Page 328

1 **petroleum fuel that all come at the margin from OPEC.** 2 **So RFS has worked.** 3 **And to the extent that somebody may disagree and** 4 **say, well, it's not perfect. Well, guess what?** 5 **Nothing is. However, it does sunset. So until it** 6 **sunsets, let's follow the law.** 7 **Congress considered and rejected the notion of** 8 **using prior years' levels of blending to determine the** 9 **next years'. They rejected that. And so, when EPA** 10 **decides to use that, what they're really doing is** 11 **rewarding big oil's intransigence.** 12 **If big oil were in a competitive environment, was** 13 **not acting with monopoly power, was not acting with** 14 **oligopoly power, they could not afford to not include** 15 **our cheaper, better, cleaner product. However, they do** 16 **have that kind of market power, and then they have a** 17 **worse market power, which is the monopsony power of** 18 **being the only buyer of our product.** 19 **And so, for all those reasons, what we need to do** 20 **is not reward big oil for refusing to include a product** 21 **that so benefits the American people. With respect to** 22 **infrastructure, big oil has already been paid. They**

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1 **got the blending credit.** 2 **They went around, told lies, and said ethanol was** 3 **subsidized. No, we didn't get that money at the** 4 **ethanol plant. The 44-cent per gallon blending credit** 5 **went to the blenders, folks who are members of the** 6 **American Petroleum Institute. They got the money to** 7 **fund their infrastructure. If they used it for** 8 **something else, shame on them.** 9 **The use of the monopoly power has always been** 10 **regarded in this country as anti-social, anti** 11 **competitive, and unjust. So if the Americans want to** 12 **shrink our total liquid motor fuel pool, petroleum** 13 **based, which is good for all Americans, we're going to** 14 **need high-compression engines with high mileage that** 15 **will need high octane, and that is in America's** 16 **interest.** 17 **That interest happens to be antithetical to big** 18 **oil's interest. So we're asking EPA to side with** 19 **America and American energy independence.** 20 **I would urge that EPA make their rulings** 21 **consistent with the law. And if nothing, we simple** 22 **folk in flyover country, we often shake our head at Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **what goes on in D.C., and we say, well, why did EPA and** 2 **Department of Energy go to all the trouble of testing** 3 **E15, spending millions and millions of dollars, but** 4 **then block the access to the marketplace?** 5 **So what we want to do is even if my logic, my** 6 **facts, my data you reject entirely, I'm okay with that** 7 **because you're still obligated to follow the law. So** 8 **please follow the law.** 9 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, Ed.** 10 **(Applause.)** 11 **MR. CAHILL: Good afternoon. My name is Brian** 12 **Cahill. I'm general manager of Southwest Iowa** 13 **Renewable Energy, also president of the Iowa Renewable** 14 **Fuels this year.** 15 **And you know, like so many others here, I'm at an** 16 **ethanol plant. I represent -- our facility has over** 17 **800 investors, 60 employees. About $200 million was** 18 **invested for ethanol based on, you know, the renewable** 19 **fuel standard that provided a market.** 20 **And we've got the production, the 15 billion** 21 **gallons. The industry, the producers have all stepped** 22 **up. And the market is there. Now we need to follow**

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1 **the law and get to the 15 billion gallons in the** 2 **market.** 3 **My background is a little different in that I grew** 4 **up in Chicago. I'm a city kid. I'm really not -- did** 5 **not grow up on a farm and, you know, gradually in the** 6 **1980s got involved with ethanol. And you know, I hope,** 7 **as we're talking about numbers, the parties that make** 8 **these decisions really get a good understanding of the** 9 **ag economy and rural environment and how important** 10 **agriculture and food supply is not just to our national** 11 **security, but our leadership in the world.** 12 **You know, one of the things we hear is that we're** 13 **falling behind in this or that, manufacturing or other** 14 **areas. But you never hear that about agriculture. We** 15 **continue to grow, invest, and a lot of that is due to** 16 **ethanol and biofuels because the market has been** 17 **provided with -- for the producer to grow and develop a** 18 **product profitably so that you can put money back in** 19 **for reinvestment, innovation, and to do the things that** 20 **we need to do.** 21 **I heard earlier, you know, to get to a world of 8** 22 **billion people, we're going to need a supply of corn** Page 332

1 **and other crops out there, and that's what ethanol** 2 **provides a springboard for.** 3 **Several things that, you know, I think you have to** 4 **ask yourself the question. You know, one is do we want** 5 **to promote investment in manufacturing and technology** 6 **in the United States? I'd say definitely, yes, ethanol** 7 **provides that.** 8 **Do we want the Government, the Federal Government** 9 **not to have to pay price supports through subsidies or** 10 **price protection to farmers and producers? We** 11 **definitely don't need any more money spent from the** 12 **Federal Government for price supports. Ethanol has** 13 **provided a market that doesn't require price supports.** 14 **Will octane become more important in the future as** 15 **we get to higher-compression engines and provided in** 16 **the gasoline pool? Ethanol definitely does that, both** 17 **environmentally friendly and is really that is one of** 18 **the best qualities for ethanol is octane. I think we** 19 **all remember MTBE, and we don't want to be there again.** 20 **Do consumers want lower gasoline prices at the** 21 **pump? Obviously, I think everybody in this room wants** 22 **that.**

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1 **Do we want a strong agriculture economy, which** 2 **provides jobs not only to rural America, but throughout** 3 **the country? That is very important for independence,** 4 **both energy and food independence, and I think ethanol** 5 **provides that.** 6 **Do we want the United States to become less** 7 **dependent on foreign oil? I think that goes without** 8 **question.** 9 **Do we expect ourselves, our kids, our employees,** 10 **our employer, and our Government to live up to** 11 **commitments? In my world, I say we do.** 12 **And I guess, finally, should we allow big oil to** 13 **get away with not living up to their commitment? No** 14 **way. I think what we need is for the U.S. EPA to live** 15 **up to the law and come up, when you review this, all** 16 **the comments and review that, I think you need to come** 17 **up to the realization that this is very important to** 18 **the future of our country and, you know, just live up** 19 **to what the law requires.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **(Applause.)** 22 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, Brian. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **MR. BOWDISH: Good afternoon. My name is Nick** 2 **Bowdish. I'm 30 years old, and thanks to the RFS,** 3 **already in my career, I have helped develop successful** 4 **ethanol projects, and I've managed a corn ethanol plant** 5 **for 5 years.** 6 **Today, I'm self-employed. I've worked with your** 7 **agency, and particularly Aaron Levy, on more than a** 8 **dozen Efficient Producer applications. And I work with** 9 **Al's Corner Oil Company, which is an owner and operator** 10 **of 27 Sinclair-branded Sparky's One Stop stores, 2 of** 11 **which have dispensers of ethanol blends of E15, E30,** 12 **and E85.** 13 **I'm pretty fired up about this proposal. I** 14 **disagree with your logic to implement the general** 15 **waiver authority in Section 2(a)(2) based on your** 16 **interpretation and subsequent defining of inadequate** 17 **domestic supply, which you yourself have written as** 18 **ambiguous.** 19 **While your lawyers have certainly spent much time** 20 **contemplating the terms and other like uses within the** 21 **Clean Air Act, the cognizant choice EPA is making to** 22 **include distribution capacity in that definition has**

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1 **the flat-out result of remaining the status quo. I** 2 **encourage you to retreat from the use of a general** 3 **waiver authority and stick to the statute.** 4 **You have stated in your proposal that your** 5 **objective is to set these volume requirements as** 6 **precisely as possible between a supply that is** 7 **inadequate and a supply that is adequate and noted it's** 8 **a challenging task. My advice to you gentlemen is get** 9 **out of the way. Let the RIN-driven marketplace sort it** 10 **out.** 11 **In Section 2(d)(2) on page 33-129, you've stated** 12 **that RIN prices are likely to be higher than historical** 13 **levels based on your interpretation of striking this** 14 **perfect balance. Take note. Immediately after your** 15 **proposal was released, RIN prices dropped from 70 cents** 16 **per gallon to less than half that.** 17 **The RVOs are clearly too low. You spell out all** 18 **the reasons in the proposal we want high RIN prices,** 19 **but then you offer a proposal that does exactly the** 20 **opposite.** 21 **In Section 2(b)(2) on page 33-119, you've** 22 **beautifully described what we do at Al's Corner Oil** Page 336

1 **Company. By lowering our effective purchase price of** 2 **biofuels, which, in the end, takes the non law-abiding** 3 **compliance payment from the obligated party and puts it** 4 **in the pocket of the biofuel consumer at our retail** 5 **station via cheaper prices than what would otherwise be** 6 **possible.** 7 **We see our blend rate across all gallons at about** 8 **E17 with strong RIN prices. Since your proposal, and** 9 **these RINs have dropped back, our price components, of** 10 **course, have changed, and our blends are retreating** 11 **closer to E10. We see the data every week.** 12 **The elephant in the room is that there is a cost** 13 **to transform the United States fuel market distribution** 14 **from status quo today to a market that consumes fuels** 15 **with lower greenhouse gas emissions. The statute** 16 **placed the cost on obligated parties. This proposal** 17 **audaciously removes that obligation and surrenders the** 18 **entire statute to status quo.** 19 **In closing, if you retreat from the use of a** 20 **general waiver authority and stick to the statute,** 21 **either obligated parties or small family-owned** 22 **businesses like Al's Corner are going to transform that**

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1 **distribution infrastructure. They simply need a clear** 2 **signal of certainty from your agency and will** 3 **accomplish it with a RIN-driven marketplace.** 4 **Gentlemen, I have two proposals on my desk today** 5 **to swap out two more of our convenience stores. This** 6 **proposal has put us completely in paralysis. We need a** 7 **clear signal from your agency, and we will spend the** 8 **money and we will put in the infrastructure. We need** 9 **the RIN price to be high.** 10 **Thank you very much.** 11 **(Applause.)** 12 **MR. TAPP: Thank you for that testimony. Next?** 13 **MR. KRAMER: Good afternoon. I'm Dave Kramer, a** 14 **founding member of Sterling Ethanol, Yuma Ethanol, and** 15 **Bridgeport Ethanol started in 2005.** 16 **Before I want to talk about my ethanol plants, I** 17 **thought it would be only appropriate to give you a** 18 **little background about myself. I'm a farm kid from** 19 **southern Minnesota. My mom and dad, born and raised in** 20 **southern Minnesota. Born on a farm, we raised cattle** 21 **and corn and soybeans. I graduated from high school in** 22 **1979 and went to school at the University of Minnesota Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **for ag business.** 2 **And in the '80s, going back to the family farm** 3 **wasn't an option for me. Lucky enough, we were also** 4 **DEKALB dealers. So I had inside information with a lot** 5 **of DEKALB technology and traits being a kid from a** 6 **dealer. So I got hired by DEKALB, transferred out to** 7 **Colorado in '84, and worked with the farmers in eastern** 8 **Colorado and western Nebraska for 22 years.** 9 **In 2004, I came up with the brilliant idea with** 10 **the RFS being talked about is to start an ethanol** 11 **plant. I am the founding member, like I said, one of** 12 **the owners. I have 26 of my closest friends that I** 13 **work with, with DEKALB-Monsanto as large cattle** 14 **feeders, as well as large corn farmers in eastern** 15 **Colorado, western Nebraska.** 16 **We produce approximately 160 million gallons of** 17 **ethanol, produce 1.250 million tons of wet distillers** 18 **grains for the cattle industry, and use approximately** 19 **55 million bushel of corn. Our plants are ICM** 20 **designed. They are one of the most efficient plants in** 21 **the country.** 22 **We do not dry any of our feed. Our feed is all**

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1 **sold 100 percent wet. It all stays within a 50-mile** 2 **radius. No corn leaves the area. No feed comes in the** 3 **area.** 4 **All our ethanol stays in the area. All of it goes** 5 **to Denver. Ninety-five percent of it goes to Denver** 6 **and eastern Colorado.** 7 **We also produce 40 percent of our own electricity.** 8 **I put high-speed turbines in, and they produce 40** 9 **percent of our own electricity off of excess steam. So** 10 **these plants are the most efficient plants in the** 11 **country.** 12 **Our CO2 is getting contracted to go into -- back** 13 **into the ground for enhanced oil recovery on abandoned** 14 **wells that were shut down years ago. So please, I** 15 **urge, we have a self-contained system in eastern** 16 **Colorado, western Nebraska where none of it leaves the** 17 **marketplace. It's generating at least 5 to 10 cents a** 18 **pound reduction in cost for animal feed.** 19 **I call these more of feed mills than I do ethanol** 20 **plants because we take a kernel of corn that has 12** 21 **percent protein and 4 percent fat and give a product** 22 **that has 33 percent protein and 12 percent fat. In** Page 340

1 **fact, we even took corn oil out of it to make a better** 2 **feed product for the cattle industry because it was** 3 **wasted oil in the feed.** 4 **In addition to that, now we're selling corn oil to** 5 **biodiesel, as well as the poultry industry. So I urge** 6 **you to reconsider and stick to the RFS and move** 7 **forward.** 8 **Thanks. And thank you for letting this farm kid** 9 **from southern Minnesota live the American dream.** 10 **(Applause.)** 11 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 12 **MR. ADAMS: Thank you. Can you hear me?** 13 **I'm Rhett Adams. I'm a sales manager with The** 14 **Andersons, Incorporated.** 15 **The Andersons produces 375 million gallons of** 16 **clean-burning, high-octane ethanol annually. We are** 17 **also the largest marketer of blended E85 direct to** 18 **retail stores in the United States.** 19 **The calculated method EPA used to determine the** 20 **2014 RVO was flawed in that there was a deduction of** 21 **all exported ethanol from the total 2014 ethanol** 22 **blended. In spite of the fact that there were 386**

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1 **million gallons of undenatured ethanol that was** 2 **exported will not retire RINs because the RINs are** 3 **never generated in the first place for an undenatured** 4 **ethanol shipment.** 5 **The resulting understatement of the 2014 actual** 6 **ethanol blending and its carry-forward effects on EPA's** 7 **estimates for 2015 and '16 blend year requirements will** 8 **have the effect of leaving the RVO significantly below** 9 **the so-called blend wall. If it was the EPA's intent** 10 **to stretch the blend wall beyond 10 percent but keep it** 11 **to a manageable level, you have failed miserably.** 12 **Proof that the proposed rule will not achieve the** 13 **intended stretch of the blend wall can readily be seen** 14 **in the price actions of RINs today. Immediately after** 15 **the new proposed rulemaking announcement, RIN prices** 16 **plunged to half their value held prior to the** 17 **announcement and have only recovered modestly in the** 18 **last couple of weeks.** 19 **Earlier, I mentioned that we are a large marketer** 20 **of E85 in the U.S. We blend ethanol with natural** 21 **gasoline at each of our plants and deliver directly to** 22 **retailers. Because we are the blender of record, we Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **detach the RINs and sell them to the obligated parties.** 2 **The value of the RIN is deducted from our ethanol** 3 **price so that we are able to offer E85 at a competitive** 4 **price that is fully discounted to the consumer.** 5 **Yesterday, our price of E85 direct to retailers was** 6 **less than $1.25 per gallon. Prior to the announcement,** 7 **we were offering it for 95 cents.** 8 **All of that change is due to the decline in RIN** 9 **prices. The decline of RIN prices has affected how** 10 **competitively our priced offering is relative to** 11 **gasoline. Expanding E85 is one achievable path around** 12 **at least expanding the blend wall beyond 10 percent.** 13 **Further, once retail stations have added E85,** 14 **those that choose to do so can add E15 to their sales** 15 **mix by blending E85 with E10. This is another way to** 16 **surpass the blend wall.** 17 **We also cannot comprehend why the EPA would want** 18 **to encourage ethanol imports by raising the advanced** 19 **biofuel RVO beyond our current domestic production** 20 **capacity. Imported ethanol competes with domestically** 21 **produced ethanol, yet requires additional** 22 **transportation to get here.**

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1 **Sugar ethanol is the exact same clean-burning,** 2 **high-octane ethanol molecule as corn ethanol that we** 3 **produce here in the United States. In addition, Brazil** 4 **is set to establish a 12 percent import tariff on U.S.** 5 **ethanol while we're encouraging imports from Brazil.** 6 **Why would we want to move our energy dependence from** 7 **the Middle East to South America is beyond** 8 **comprehension.** 9 **By keeping a low conventional ethanol RVO and an** 10 **advanced biofuel RVO that is beyond our capacity to** 11 **domestically produce, EPA has inflated D5 versus D6 RIN** 12 **prices and created a market that has created a** 13 **situation for sugarcane ethanol to be imported and** 14 **force U.S. production capacity to slow or we're going** 15 **to have to export the excess.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you.** 18 **Any questions?** 19 **(No response.)** 20 **MR. TAPP: No? Thank you.** 21 **MR. HENGST: Thank you.** 22 **MR. TAPP: So we're going to call Panel 33 up now** Page 344

1 **and going to proceed with Panel 35?** 2 **MR. HENGST: Right. So after Panel 33, we're** 3 **going to have folks -- a combination of folks who are** 4 **on Panel 35 and Panel 37. So I'm going to, excuse me,** 5 **read some names out. And if I call your name, please** 6 **go over to the staging area.** 7 **Carl Sitzmann, who I think testified already, Joe** 8 **Kreutzer, Michael Erhart, Al Giese, Richard Hanson,** 9 **Brian Baalman, and Derek Peine.** 10 **Again, those are a combination of Panels 35 and** 11 **37. Also I would like to ask if anyone who is** 12 **currently scheduled to be on Panel 40 is, if you could** 13 **raise your hand or stand up? This would -- Kris** 14 **Johnson, Marilyn Barb, Marvin Oerke, Mevini Meister,** 15 **Michael Alloway?** 16 **No? Okay. I don't think we have anyone.** 17 **MALE SPEAKER: I'm on 42. Are you getting to** 18 **that?** 19 **MR. HENGST: We're going to get to 42. It's just** 20 **that we don't have anyone from Panel 40 here. So thank** 21 **you. That's helpful.** 22 **Okay. Sorry for the interruption, and please**

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1 **proceed. Thank you.** 2 **MR. VAN ROEKEL: Good afternoon, panel. Thank you** 3 **for the opportunity to testify before you today.** 4 **My name is Chris Van Roekel, and I'm a mechanical** 5 **engineering graduate research assistant at the Engines** 6 **and Energy Conversion Lab on the campus of Colorado** 7 **State University. My research at the Engines and** 8 **Energy Lab is focused on the feasibility and advantages** 9 **of ethanol use in diesel engines.** 10 **As you well know, the first bullet point in the** 11 **EPA mission statement is to, and I quote, "ensure that** 12 **all Americans are protected from significant risks to** 13 **human health and the environment where they live,** 14 **learn, and work."** 15 **Motor vehicles, regardless of fuel, emit several** 16 **pollutants that the EPA classifies as known or probable** 17 **human carcinogens, such as benzene, formaldehyde,** 18 **acetaldehyde, 1,3-butadiene, and particulate matter.** 19 **In addition to this, motor vehicles also emit other air** 20 **pollutants, such as nonmethane hydrocarbons, carbon** 21 **monoxide, and nitric oxides.** 22 **In numerous published peer-reviewed research Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **papers, too many to name here, plant-based renewable** 2 **fuel, such as ethanol and biodiesel, have been shown to** 3 **have a positive impact on vehicle emissions, especially** 4 **in the emissions of particulate matter, benzene, and** 5 **1,3-butadiene. Another positive aspect of plant-based** 6 **fuels is their inherent carbon-neutral lifecycle.** 7 **The U.S. Department of Energy published that, and** 8 **I quote, "Carbon dioxide released when ethanol is** 9 **burned is balanced by the carbon dioxide captured when** 10 **the crops are grown to make ethanol. On a lifecycle** 11 **analysis basis, corn-based ethanol production and use** 12 **reduces greenhouse gas emissions by up to 52 percent,** 13 **compared to the gasoline production and use."** 14 **Regardless of market response or constraints, I** 15 **ask you to consider taking ownership and fulfilling the** 16 **first bullet point in your mission statement. I** 17 **encourage you to lead by example and to be bold and** 18 **ambitious in adhering to the mandates for renewable** 19 **fuel used for 2015 and beyond.** 20 **If your mission is to promote a healthier life for** 21 **Americans and a cleaner environment, you will not just** 22 **uphold the standards Congress set for renewable fuels**

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1 **but will promote the use of E10 and beyond.** 2 **Thank you.** 3 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you for your** 4 **testimony. Next?** 5 **MS. DIDION: Good afternoon. I'm Coral Didion,** 6 **general counsel at Didion Milling and member of the** 7 **Wisconsin Biofuels Association. I think I was called** 8 **on a previous panel. So I apologize.** 9 **I'm sure you've heard a lot about the food versus** 10 **fuel argument, and today I'd like to talk about how** 11 **food versus fuel is actually a misconception that we** 12 **are diverting farm land and crops toward biofuel** 13 **production to the detriment of the food supply.** 14 **Didion Milling, where I work, is proof that that** 15 **is a myth. Didion has been in business since 1972,** 16 **producing cornmeal, flour, grits, and cones as food** 17 **ingredients and food products. We are one of the** 18 **largest U.S. producers of corn-soy blend, or CSB, for** 19 **the World Food Program, which uses our products to feed** 20 **the poorest children in the world.** 21 **We're also an ethanol plant. Our ethanol plant** 22 **uses the less desirable parts of corn that remain after** Page 348

1 **the milling process is complete. From those less** 2 **desirable parts, we create ethanol and the dried** 3 **distillers grains, which is a high-protein animal feed.** 4 **We create food, feed, and biofuel. No farm land** 5 **is ever used solely for biofuel production. At Didion,** 6 **it isn't food versus fuel. It's food and fuel.** 7 **In a very real sense, our ethanol production** 8 **directly supports the global feeding program. It** 9 **allows us to provide a better price to the USDA, AID,** 10 **and the World Food Program.** 11 **Without the RFS to support ethanol use, we could** 12 **not continue to produce our ethanol, and the price of** 13 **our food products would increase, including the price** 14 **of the CSB that we send overseas to feed the hungry** 15 **children. The RFS allows us to send aid to more** 16 **children with the same amount of appropriated dollars.** 17 **We support the RFS also because it represents a** 18 **good energy policy for America. It's moving us toward** 19 **energy independence, which we can all agree is vital.** 20 **The RFS is also good food policy. It helps Didion** 21 **provide the best possible price to those who rely on** 22 **our food ingredients and products, and the RFS is good**

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1 **job policy. Together, ethanol plants like ours have** 2 **created hundreds of thousands of jobs, many in** 3 **otherwise forgotten or overlooked rural communities.** 4 **The proposed guidelines will undermine all of the** 5 **positive achievements, progress, and humanitarian** 6 **efforts Didion has worked so hard to build over the** 7 **past 43 years. We have invested and worked hard, based** 8 **on the promise that the EPA would fulfill the goals of** 9 **the RFS through 2022.** 10 **On behalf of Didion and the Wisconsin Biofuels** 11 **Association, our workers, vendors, suppliers, and the** 12 **thousands of corn growers who continually produce** 13 **higher yields of corn with less inputs, we respectfully** 14 **ask that the EPA reconsider the recent proposed rule** 15 **and reinstate Congress' requirements for renewable** 16 **fuels before the damage is done.** 17 **Thank you.** 18 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you. Next?** 19 **MR. BERTELS: Good afternoon. My name is Paul** 20 **Bertels, and I'm a fifth-generation farmer from Dorsey,** 21 **Illinois.** 22 **Like many small farmers, I took off-farm Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **employment as an economist to support my passion in** 2 **life, farming. Today, you've heard many of my friends** 3 **and peers explain the importance of RFS and the dire** 4 **consequences that your decisions hold. I'll spare you** 5 **a repeat of those points.** 6 **However, you may note a tone of sarcasm in my** 7 **comments. I believe it is well placed because of EPA's** 8 **disregard for the law and the environment.** 9 **I believe your proposed reduction in the RVO,** 10 **especially conventional volumes, not only violates the** 11 **intent of the RFS but is a violation of the statute.** 12 **Your justification of inadequate domestic supply is, at** 13 **best, the height of creative economics.** 14 **It baffles me how you can confuse demand, over** 15 **which you have no statutory waiver authority, with** 16 **supply. Perhaps "creative" is an appropriate term for** 17 **EPA's actions.** 18 **As you have heard several times even on the last** 19 **panel, you miscalculated export volumes by nearly 400** 20 **million gallons, unnecessarily lowering the** 21 **conventional RVO. I guess that's creative math.** 22 **Now your NPRM for 2014 is nearly 2 years late. I**

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1 **guess that's creative timekeeping.** 2 **As farmers, your creativity has put us in an** 3 **awkward position. First, your refusal to allow the RFS** 4 **to work as designed does not incentivize the petroleum** 5 **industry to invest in infrastructure, offer higher** 6 **blends, or accurately price biofuels. Okay, since you** 7 **won't let the law work, farmers have and will invest** 8 **millions of dollars with the ethanol industry in** 9 **infrastructure.** 10 **Frankly, almost every problem with the renewable** 11 **fuels can be resolved by the EPA. I urge you to return** 12 **the RVO, especially the conventional biofuels, back to** 13 **the statutory level and grant E15 the 1-pound RVP** 14 **waiver so we can move those volumes forward. You have** 15 **that statutory authority.** 16 **Now lest I leave you on a sour note, I do admire** 17 **your ability to sit for hours on end.** 18 **(Laughter.)** 19 **MR. BERTELS: And please tell your colleagues this** 20 **morning I saw a monarch butterfly over by the bank** 21 **building.** 22 **Thank you.** Page 352

1 **MR. TAPP: All right, thanks.** 2 **(Applause.)** 3 **MR. BEEMER: Good afternoon, EPA panel. My name** 4 **is Mark Beemer. I live in Overland Park, Kansas. So I** 5 **hope while you are here, you get some of the great** 6 **Kansas City barbecue that this place has to offer.** 7 **I am the chief executive officer of Aventine** 8 **Renewable Energy. We produce about 320 million gallons** 9 **of ethanol production located in both Pekin, Illinois,** 10 **near Peoria, and two plants in Aurora, Nebraska.** 11 **Since I last testified at the last -- at the** 12 **February of 2014 previous EPA hearing, our company has** 13 **delivered on all of our promises. We opened two** 14 **ethanol plants that I had discussed at that time,** 15 **located in the small town of Aurora, Nebraska. We have** 16 **been providing 85 new jobs to that small town of 1,500,** 17 **along with a payroll of $5.4 million, in addition to** 18 **our $13.5 million of payroll in Pekin, Illinois.** 19 **We're purchasing over $200 million of corn in** 20 **Aurora, Nebraska, from co-ops and local farmers. And** 21 **we've spent $25 million in capital expenditures for new** 22 **rail, new rail ties, new grain bins, new corn oil**

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1 **facilities, and things like that to produce out in** 2 **Aurora 160 million gallons of renewable ethanol and** 3 **also corn oil.** 4 **All actions have consequences. I would like to** 5 **discuss three important aspects and impacts resulting** 6 **from EPA's recent ruling. First, the obvious one is** 7 **the EPA ruling resulted in ethanol demand destruction** 8 **of a billion gallons a year. So the ruling, right off** 9 **the top, a billion gallons is erased in terms of the** 10 **mandate.** 11 **Second, the EPA's recent ruling is causing a** 12 **market distortion in RIN pricing by reducing the value** 13 **of the D6 RIN by 30 cents per gallon in the commercial** 14 **ethanol markets. Or in other terms, the unintended** 15 **consequences have resulted in a 30-cent per gallon** 16 **subsidy, subsidy to import ethanol gallons into the** 17 **United States.** 18 **Simply put, the EPA ruling has caused additional** 19 **demand destruction because of the ethanol imports. And** 20 **for example, I would say, mention to you that on** 21 **Tuesday of this week, a boat was procured to ship** 22 **ethanol from South America into the Port of Tampa for Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **late July arrival.** 2 **A third consequence is because of the price of the** 3 **D6 RINs has been reduced by 30 cents a gallon, the** 4 **market is now disincentivizing blender pumps whereby** 5 **higher rates of E15, E20 of ethanol are blended. All** 6 **of these are examples of the immediate unintended** 7 **consequences of the recent EPA decision.** 8 **Finally, another major consequence beyond demand** 9 **destruction is capital investment. Why would capital** 10 **markets ever invest additional dollars in renewable** 11 **energy in the United States of America? Why would they** 12 **ever do this?** 13 **There has been $50 billion spent in ethanol for 15** 14 **billion gallons of new production, and all of a sudden,** 15 **the EPA is changing the rules of the game. The United** 16 **States ethanol policy is the most, single most** 17 **successful renewable energy program in the world in** 18 **scope and in size and in everything else. Yet the EPA** 19 **must not like the success because they've demonstrated** 20 **the actions and are reducing actual physical demand for** 21 **ethanol.** 22 **I hope the EPA will reconsider its recent ruling,**

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1 **quit acting like a rogue agency, and follow Congress'** 2 **original intent of the laws of the 2007 Energy Security** 3 **Act.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **(Applause.)** 6 **MR. TAPP: Thanks for your testimony.** 7 **Will the next panel please come up, and for the** 8 **new staged panel?** 9 **MR. HENGST: I think, just so folks know, this is** 10 **the last panel we'll have in this room, and then for** 11 **all subsequent panels, we're going to go over to Room** 12 **Number 1. But we would like this panel to come forth** 13 **and testify.** 14 **(Pause.)** 15 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Please proceed.** 16 **MR. BAALMAN: I'm Brian Baalman. I'm a farmer** 17 **from northwest Kansas. I'm a past president of the** 18 **Kansas Corn Growers of about 6 years.** 19 **I'm a member of the -- board member of Western** 20 **Plains Energy, a 50 million gallon ethanol plant out** 21 **there at Oakley, Kansas, and I have probably about a $3** 22 **million investment in about 7 ethanol plants in Kansas** Page 356

1 **and one in Missouri. And when I did that, I don't know** 2 **why I did it, but it was at that time a value-added** 3 **incentive for me.** 4 **I survived through the '70s in there, and we had** 5 **the low prices, and it was all about adding value. And** 6 **I was presented at a meeting down in Texas one night** 7 **about adding value through an ethanol venture and saw a** 8 **canceled check or a check that went through of an** 9 **investor, and he was relating them dollars back to the** 10 **bushels he produced.** 11 **It was a return on his investment, and that made** 12 **me come home and got with the banker who's a good** 13 **friend of mine there, and we started this ethanol plant** 14 **at Oakley, Kansas, and it's been a significant boon for** 15 **our area. And also from that, it's been running** 16 **probably 10, 11 years now. It's been a boon.** 17 **I mean, you just can't imagine what it does for a** 18 **community, and what it does for the jobs and the** 19 **everything from there. I've become invested, as I** 20 **always was, in cattle feeding. And I have probably** 21 **about 50,000 head of cattle and 4 feedyards in western** 22 **Kansas, and this takes a significant investment also.**

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1 **We're a large user of distillers grains, and I see** 2 **the benefit of that, and I'd like to address that, you** 3 **know, I've lived through $7 corn, $8 corn. And when** 4 **that comes around, you know, we get our heads together** 5 **and we look how we cannot use that high-priced grain.** 6 **And we fed potatoes. We'd grind potatoes and feed** 7 **potatoes, and we reduce a ration that has corn it. But** 8 **we got by, and we made it. And we're here today, and** 9 **we're still going forward.** 10 **And now we're looking at this subpar $3 corn,** 11 **below $4 corn, and I'm around a lot of individuals** 12 **around that probably are wondering how they're going to** 13 **take care of their mortgage payment and what not. And** 14 **it isn't good.** 15 **And the RFS was intended for this 15 billion** 16 **gallons of ethanol, and what always scratched my head** 17 **is why it was capped. I think we ought to be looking** 18 **at that, why we capped ourselves with corn.** 19 **And I think, looking at the rations that we do** 20 **with the corn and with the cattle, I think you ought to** 21 **look at the ration the oil companies do, how they** 22 **design and build a gallon of gas and what them Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **carcinogens are in that gallon of gas and what ethanol** 2 **does when it's added into there. I'd like to see some** 3 **competent investigation of that.** 4 **Because it allows these oil refiners to use stuff** 5 **that isn't good and is of cheap, no good value, and** 6 **it's no good for, I believe, for us environmentally** 7 **whatsoever, and it's derived from ethanol being able to** 8 **be put into that gas. And that's me, and that's what** 9 **I've said.** 10 **So thank you.** 11 **MR. TAPP: Okay, thanks, Brian. Appreciate your** 12 **testimony. Next?** 13 **MR. PEINE: My name is Derek Peine, and I'm proud** 14 **to represent Western Plains Energy today and appreciate** 15 **the opportunity to speak with you all.** 16 **I've been involved in this industry before --** 17 **since before the original RFS was enacted, and I** 18 **believe that the RFS has been the single most** 19 **successful energy policy in my lifetime. It has** 20 **boosted agriculture, created jobs in rural America,** 21 **improved our air quality, improved our environment, and** 22 **has improved our national security.**

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1 **However, I believe that the proposed rule is** 2 **sending our country backwards and jeopardizing these** 3 **accomplishments. Congress enacted the RFS with two** 4 **main objectives. First, to move the United States** 5 **toward greater energy independence and security. And** 6 **second, to increase the production of clean, renewable** 7 **fuels.** 8 **By reducing the obligated volumes for corn-based** 9 **ethanol, the EPA is choosing to reduce our energy** 10 **independence and security. And respectfully, I believe** 11 **that this decision is not within EPA's authority.** 12 **Within the RFS, Congress provided EPA with waiver** 13 **authority under two circumstances. First, if there's** 14 **inadequate domestic supply, and second, if the** 15 **obligated volumes would cause severe economic harm.** 16 **With regards to the corn-based ethanol, I think** 17 **it's completely undeniable that we have more than** 18 **enough adequate domestic supply. Today, we're** 19 **producing in excess of 15 billion gallons of ethanol,** 20 **with close to 1 billion gallons being exported. So I** 21 **don't see how anyone can interpret a lack of domestic** 22 **supply.** Page 360

1 **EPA's provided rationale for reducing the** 2 **requirement was in part due to lack of infrastructure** 3 **for E15 and higher blends. The waiver authority** 4 **granted to the EPA had nothing to do with** 5 **infrastructure. It was only provided for inadequate** 6 **domestic supply, and again, respectfully, I believe** 7 **this is an overreach with the EPA. The free market and** 8 **consumers should decide what infrastructure is and is** 9 **not needed, not the EPA.** 10 **On the second point of severe economic harm,** 11 **within the proposed rule, the EPA cited that some** 12 **petitioners claimed that if they didn't reduce the** 13 **volume obligations that there would be gasoline** 14 **shortages. I guess someone envisioned a return to the** 15 **gas lines of the '70s. I'm not sure if EPA really** 16 **believes this, but I was somewhat stunned to see that** 17 **printed in a Federal document.** 18 **So, in closing, I ask that you reconsider your** 19 **proposal in regards to the D6 volumes. I urge you to** 20 **follow through on what Congress intended by maintaining** 21 **the mandated volumes, let the free market decide what** 22 **fuels and what infrastructure is needed, and most of**

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1 **all, follow the stated mission -- the stated mission of** 2 **the EPA of protecting the environment by holding the** 3 **obligated parties accountable to the required volumes.** 4 **Thank you for the opportunity to share my** 5 **perspective.** 6 **MR. TAPP: Thank you, Derek. Next?** 7 **MR. KREUTZER: Hello. My name is Joe Kreutzer,** 8 **and I work in an ethanol plant in Phillipsburg, Kansas.** 9 **To say the renewable fuel standard has positively** 10 **impacted me is a slight understatement.** 11 **MR. TAPP: Joe, can you move the microphone a** 12 **little closer? Thanks.** 13 **MR. KREUTZER: Along with 400,000 other American** 14 **citizens, it has not only given me a job, but a career** 15 **I can be proud of. Every day I get to go to work** 16 **knowing that the product I produce is making for a** 17 **better America that our children, grandchildren, and** 18 **generations after can enjoy.** 19 **Living in a rural community all my life and seeing** 20 **farmers struggle with low crop price and depending on** 21 **Government subsidies to survive, I see the positive** 22 **impact the RFS and ethanol has had on them. Ethanol Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **has given the farmer a reliably consistent buyer for** 2 **their crop.** 3 **Fuels America estimates that the RFS has saved** 4 **taxpayers about $10 billion per year by reducing the** 5 **need for farm program payments. Ask any farmer, and** 6 **I'm sure they will tell you they would rather sell** 7 **their crop and make it on their own than depend on** 8 **Government subsidies.** 9 **I also see the benefit to our environment and air** 10 **quality we breathe. Studies have shown that when** 11 **ethanol is blended and used to replace the octane** 12 **enhancers currently used in our fuels, you have a** 13 **cleaner-burning fuel that could, if fully implemented,** 14 **reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 138 million metric** 15 **tons. This is the equivalent of taking 27 million cars** 16 **off the road.** 17 **If we don't reverse the trend of tailpipe** 18 **pollution, I envision the United States just like** 19 **Beijing, and my great-grandchildren have to put on a** 20 **mask every time they go outside.** 21 **The RFS has also given consumers a benefit at the** 22 **pump. Ethanol on average sells for 52 cents cheaper**

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1 **than gasoline. It's pretty simple economics that** 2 **ethanol is a cheaper, more affordable fuel than** 3 **conventional gasoline.** 4 **The most important benefit to me is our reduced** 5 **dependency on foreign oil. We count on unstable oil** 6 **producing nations for our oil supply. Many wars have** 7 **been fought, trillions of dollars spent, and countless** 8 **lives affected by these wars to ensure the flow of** 9 **foreign oil to the United States.** 10 **I've been very fortunate not to lose a friend or** 11 **family member to one of these wars, but many people** 12 **have. I have, however, seen friends come back to these** 13 **wars very different than when they left. To see a** 14 **friend struggle with PTSD, depression, anger, and drug** 15 **and alcohol addiction as a result of these wars angers** 16 **me and is unnecessary. If the RFS was implemented the** 17 **way it was designed, we would not have to fight these** 18 **wars.** 19 **EPA's decision of reducing the blending** 20 **requirement of the RFS has given big oil a pass on** 21 **their requirement. Farmers have responded by growing** 22 **enough grain. The renewable industry has responded by** Page 364

1 **producing the fuel, and consumers have responded by** 2 **wanting the fuel.** 3 **Unfortunately, big oil has responded by outright** 4 **blocking access to fuel levels above 10 percent by not** 5 **allowing over 50 percent of the fueling stations they** 6 **control to carry E15 or higher blends. EPA is allowing** 7 **big oil to set the blending requirements and allowing** 8 **them to maintain a monopoly on our fuel supply that** 9 **only benefits them and their record profits.** 10 **Thank you for your time.** 11 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you, Joe, for your** 12 **testimony.** 13 **Next?** 14 **MR. ERHART: Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am Mike** 15 **Erhart, chief executive office of a biorefinery in** 16 **Phillips -- Phillipsburg, Kansas. It's called Prairie** 17 **Horizon Agri-Energy.** 18 **My company has 305 local investors, employs 35** 19 **skilled laborers. We purchase 15 million bushels of** 20 **grain from area farmers and generates hundreds of jobs** 21 **from businesses that we do -- that we do business with,** 22 **outside vendors.**

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1 **In the beginning, investors were told about the** 2 **RFS and the law that it was intended and as it was** 3 **intended to carry out. Never did I dream that the EPA** 4 **would interfere with the intent of the law restricting** 5 **access to the market for ethanol and the poor service -** 6 **- and the poor science provided and sponsored by oil** 7 **refineries. The EPA has become a tool for the oil** 8 **companies to use to protect their monopoly over** 9 **customers.** 10 **When I was a kid growing up, I believed in the** 11 **basic philosophy that our environment was being** 12 **protected by an agency that would use solid,** 13 **unadulterated science to make good policy decisions for** 14 **the future. I knew as a child that it would take well** 15 **educated scientists and professionals to evaluate the** 16 **differences between special interests, altered science,** 17 **and solid science principles.** 18 **Then I began to see this great agency become** 19 **corrupted by the "follow the money" mentality adopted** 20 **by Washington politics. It has become clear that our** 21 **environmental future is being bought for the financial** 22 **gains of a few. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Congress designed the RFS to encourage investment** 2 **in renewable fuel. The green energy revolution that** 3 **would help reduce our country's dependency on foreign** 4 **oil and create clean octane fuel to enhance gasoline** 5 **performance has been very well demonstrated by one of** 6 **our nation's great sports, NASCAR.** 7 **These cars run on E15 in the harshest of operating** 8 **conditions without failure due to the inclusion of 15** 9 **percent ethanol. So with such a harmful fuel as** 10 **claimed by big oil, how come it works so well with** 11 **NASCAR?** 12 **Congress did give EPA authority to reduce RFS base** 13 **to perceive infrastructure and distribution capacity** 14 **concerns. The law only allows EPA the RFS due to lack** 15 **of domestic supply of renewable fuels and if it's** 16 **proven that the RFS causes economic harm. Neither of** 17 **these conditions exist today.** 18 **The economic boost to the farming community has** 19 **been tremendous. Grocery lobbyists will contend that** 20 **prices of food have skyrocketed because of these** 21 **benefits to farm communities, which, in fact, the** 22 **majority of the increase has come from fuel prices for**

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1 **transportation and labor costs from producers -- for** 2 **processors.** 3 **I would encourage the EPA to look at who supports** 4 **the lobbyists, follow the money, and you will see big** 5 **oil contributing to these efforts in an attempt to** 6 **muddy the waters and the real issue of better, cleaner** 7 **fuel for American people.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. TAPP: All right. Thank you for your** 10 **testimony. Next?** 11 **MR. LANIER: Hi. My name is Jim Lanier, and I'm a** 12 **significant investor in Prairie Horizon Agri-Energy in** 13 **Phillipsburg, Kansas. Also a recently retired behavior** 14 **consultant for 11 public schools up in north central** 15 **Kansas, and right now what I do is I'm an entrepreneur** 16 **and I also serve as the chairman of Phillips County** 17 **Economic Development Council.** 18 **I'd like to welcome you to Kansas. I know it's** 19 **hot out, but it's that time of the year.** 20 **Okay, as a significant investor and one of the** 21 **original investors in Prairie Horizon, I've seen the** 22 **dramatic impact that ethanol production has had on our** Page 368

1 **local economy. While other counties and communities** 2 **that surround us have struggled, we've actually been** 3 **able to bring back a lot of young folks into our** 4 **communities that may have been lost. I also have seen** 5 **that we provide jobs to folks that probably weren't** 6 **going to leave our community. So we've raised their** 7 **standard of living.** 8 **And one of the things that I'm doing right now is** 9 **I'm building a hotel in Phillipsburg, and one of the** 10 **reasons we made the decision, my partners and I made a** 11 **decision to build a hotel in Phillipsburg was because** 12 **of our ethanol plant and its vitality and viability.** 13 **So we're actually having a lot of economic success and** 14 **seeing a boom in economic success in our county, or in** 15 **Phillipsburg.** 16 **I travel extensively in my business activities, as** 17 **well as going to visit family members throughout the** 18 **State of Kansas and the region. But I'm growing** 19 **frustrated because I can't find an E85 pump, all right?** 20 **And I never have -- most of the gas stations never** 21 **have a mid-level pump to fill up my vehicle, and only** 22 **the independents get to take this on.**

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1 **So I give my business to the independents whenever** 2 **I can. But in many cases, this is becoming more** 3 **frustrating because major oil has the best spots, and** 4 **they're not participating by giving us or giving** 5 **myself, as a consumer, the ability to fill up with mid** 6 **level or E85.** 7 **Ethanol, the ethanol industry is not demanding** 8 **anything other than the ability to provide a choice for** 9 **the consumer to decide what they might want to use.** 10 **Major oil has done everything that they can not to** 11 **allow that choice to occur.** 12 **Prairie Horizon has started the process of** 13 **becoming a full-fledged biorefinery, not only an** 14 **ethanol plant. Not only do we provide ethanol, but we** 15 **are capturing corn oil and selling DDGs to local** 16 **feedlots and cattlemen in the area.** 17 **As an entrepreneur and former educator, things** 18 **that I've learned and I taught kids was that we had to** 19 **start following the rules. I don't see big oil having** 20 **to follow the rules.** 21 **So thanks for listening to my comments. I fully** 22 **expect that you all, the EPA, to obey the law as Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **written and make sure that big oil does not have a free** 2 **pass.** 3 **MR. TAPP: Okay. Thank you, Jim. Thanks for your** 4 **comments. Next?** 5 **MR. HANSON: Good afternoon. I'm Rich Hanson.** 6 **I'm general manager at Show Me Ethanol in Carrollton,** 7 **Missouri. I employ about 40 employees there, but** 8 **impact obviously, as everyone has stated throughout the** 9 **day, the local economy.** 10 **Most every ethanol plant is based in a small** 11 **community, and I think we can probably all see the** 12 **growth in the communities that the ethanol plants are** 13 **based in versus those that didn't or don't have an** 14 **ethanol plant close by.** 15 **I had a lot of things written, but everybody has** 16 **said it all today. So I am not going to reiterate what** 17 **everyone else has said, but I think we all just really** 18 **want EPA to consider the actions, the rulings, the laws** 19 **that will do nothing but hinder growth in the rural** 20 **economies.** 21 **And the rural communities of the United States are** 22 **really the backbone of the U.S., and the farmers and**

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1 **the agricultural workers are the ones who really have** 2 **made this country what it is.** 3 **So I thank you for the time. I didn't take near** 4 **my 3 minutes, but it's late in the afternoon. Everyone** 5 **else has said it all. So I just ask that you all** 6 **consider that.** 7 **MR. TAPP: Okay, Rich. Thank you for your** 8 **testimony.** 9 **MR. GIESE: Likewise, it's late in the day. I'll** 10 **keep this short, take a little bit different approach.** 11 **I represent Quad County Corn Processors out of** 12 **Galva, Iowa. I'm an investor and board member. I have** 13 **over 40 years of experience in production agriculture** 14 **and ag business.** 15 **Quad County was formed in 2000 by local investors** 16 **to add value to corn and produce ethanol and feed.** 17 **What's different about Quad is that in 2009, Quad** 18 **employees invented a way to produce cellulosic ethanol** 19 **from the corn kernel fiber. This innovation was** 20 **partially driven by the 2007 RFS2, and we believed that** 21 **that would assure us a market for any gallons of** 22 **cellulosic ethanol that we produced.** Page 372

1 **On July 1, 2014, Quad produced its first** 2 **cellulosic ethanol gallon. In October, we generated** 3 **our first D3 RIN and became QAP certified.** 4 **We are the first commercial production facility in** 5 **the U.S. to steadily produce cellulosic ethanol each** 6 **day, and we've currently made over 1.6 million of D3** 7 **RINs. In fact, we're the first commercial-scale** 8 **facility in the world to make cellulosic ethanol from** 9 **corn kernel fiber.** 10 **Our patented process is now trademarked as** 11 **Cellerate. And if it is adopted across the industry in** 12 **the years ahead of us, it is capable of creating over 2** 13 **billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol without using one** 14 **additional kernel of corn. This technology is the** 15 **perfect example of the synergies between first- and** 16 **second-generation ethanol and underscores why you can't** 17 **have one without the other.** 18 **The message that I want to leave is three simple** 19 **points. The RFS was well designed and continues to** 20 **accomplish its intent. It will continue to work if** 21 **EPA, number one, sets the RVO targets where the** 22 **legislation was intended.**

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1 **Number two, require obligated parties to blend** 2 **more than 10 percent ethanol, as the RFS intended.** 3 **There really is no blend wall, but rather a fabricated** 4 **excuse by the obligated parties to not comply with the** 5 **law.** 6 **And third and last, limit the issuance of** 7 **cellulosic waiver credits. Waiver credits were only** 8 **intended to offset any shortfall in cellulosic biofuel** 9 **production in a compliance year.** 10 **Quad invested over 5 years of research and $9** 11 **million of capital, negotiated a contract with an** 12 **international company to help license and implement** 13 **Cellerate technology in the North American ethanol** 14 **industry. The commitment, investment, and vision** 15 **simply would not have occurred without the RFS.** 16 **Companies like ours have taken significant risk** 17 **and made major investments because of the RFS.** 18 **Enforcing the law ensures that the first movers and** 19 **innovators are appropriately rewarded for** 20 **commercializing new technologies. Please do not reward** 21 **obligated parties for ignoring the law and making** 22 **excuses for noncompliance. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Please act now to raise the RVOs for 2014, '15,** 2 **and '16 to the statutory levels. Act now to only issue** 3 **CWC waivers for gallons not produced each year so** 4 **obligated parties must purchase the physical gallons.** 5 **Innovations like Cellerate will be adopted more rapidly** 6 **once the law is followed and certainty is established** 7 **for the industry.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. TAPP: Thank you.** 10 **(Applause.)** 11 **MR. TAPP: Yeah. So thank you very much to the** 12 **folks on the panel for coming over here and being** 13 **flexible and testifying in this room, and thanks to all** 14 **the folks that traveled to Kansas City to provide their** 15 **testimony today. You also have a chance to provide** 16 **your testimony or additional comments in writing.** 17 **And again, as we pointed out earlier, there are** 18 **pieces of paper on the desks out there. If you feel** 19 **like you didn't get a chance to provide all of your** 20 **comments today, we'd be happy to take those in writing.** 21 **MR. HENGST: All right. The overall hearing has** 22 **not been adjourned. I believe they are still going in**

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1 **Room 1, but we are going to conclude the day here in** 2 **Room 2. So if there is anyone in this audience here** 3 **who is waiting to get your turn to testify, you should** 4 **go over to Room 1 or to the registration desk, and** 5 **they'll make sure you get set up.** 6 **But thanks, everyone, for your time, and again,** 7 **thank you to folks who stuck it out to the end of the** 8 **day.** 9 **Thank you.** 10 **(Applause.)** 11 **(Whereupon, at 6:00 p.m., the hearing was** 12 **adjourned.)** 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**208:6,8,10,19 209:7,9,12,13**  **209:20 210:18 211:11,14**  **212:7,8,11,17 212:19,21**  **213:16 214:9 214:16,18**  **215:1,12,13 216:13,15,19**  **217:5,18,21 218:1,9,16**  **219:4,9,13,20 220:4,6,7,13**  **220:20 221:3,6 221:16,21**  **222:3,7 224:5 226:7 250:11**  **257:21 258:16 259:2,4,8,10**  **259:14,20,22 260:3,4,17,21**  **267:16 276:15 291:17 340:5**  **346:2** biodieselblend... **74:4,5,9** bioeconomy **58:9 324:4** bioenergy **104:14 127:14 130:16,16**  **185:15 186:4,9** bioenergys **125:7** biofuel **12:16,16 14:5,16,22**  **26:12 29:4,18 32:22 33:14**  **39:20 46:21 56:2 63:6 65:2**  **68:15 69:13 89:1 123:2**  **126:14 127:2 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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**213:19 226:16 247:17 259:17**  **274:6 308:1,11 317:5 324:16**  **345:20 346:8,9** carbonneutral **346:6** carbonproduc... **123:17** carbonreducing **38:19** carcass**43:16** carcinogenic **150:3** carcinogens **151:18 345:17 358:1**  care**357:13** career **151:16 152:21 177:20**  **237:3 239:16 240:1 256:7**  **257:14 264:17 269:19 334:3**  **361:14** careers**263:17** carefully **99:9** caring **80:7 263:7 277:22**  carl**7:21 243:22 266:16 344:7**  carpet**246:20** carried **320:20** carrollton **370:6** carry **105:7 202:10 241:4**  **364:6 365:3** carryforward **341:6** carrying **105:9 305:17**  carryout **85:3** carryover**30:12 30:16 66:5** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**240:7 281:4 302:19**  manager**45:13 105:8 185:14**  **188:2 190:10 191:9 193:4**  **216:19 253:18 257:10 265:13**  **272:19 299:22 320:12 330:12**  **340:13 370:6** managers **160:10** managing **126:10 226:2** mandate**40:5 194:8,10,12**  **206:14 227:1 252:13,14**  **321:15 353:10** mandated **38:22 65:8 120:21**  **176:18 314:9 360:21**  mandates **15:9 38:13 40:12**  **346:18** mangine **7:20 265:10,11,12**  manipulated **219:1** manner**38:14 222:10 275:2**  manufacture **324:21** manufacturer **53:6 54:20 223:11**  manufacturers **45:10 53:17,21 54:11,15 74:21**  **96:6 174:5 251:16 302:17**  manufactures**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**222:6 230:13 233:22 234:5**  **244:15 267:12 282:11 302:6**  **304:4 316:1 322:16 332:20**  **335:12,15,18 336:5,8 341:15**  **342:9,9 343:12 356:5 366:20**  **366:22** pricing**43:4 261:3 353:12**  pride **35:20 37:4 128:13 291:18**  prides **256:5 264:21**  primarily**41:17 78:1 163:8**  **212:15 221:13** primary**20:12 67:22 168:9**  **204:12 207:12 244:8 278:5,8**  priming **102:4** principal**210:6** principles **207:9 365:17**  printed **360:17** prior **18:4 22:6 87:9 122:12**  **274:21 328:8 341:16 342:6**  priority**215:5** prison **103:6** private**46:20 57:5,12,21**  **132:16 142:7 200:19 244:6,8**  **253:6 273:12 285:16 286:1**  **288:12** privately**223:9** privilege **145:18 304:17** 

prize**278:2** probable **345:16** probably **38:9 90:21 126:21**  **138:5 227:14 272:17 304:20**  **355:21 356:16 356:20 357:12**  **368:5 370:11** problem**26:2 63:15,16 65:13**  **103:10 166:14 166:16,21**  **290:22 291:10 319:5 351:10**  problems **55:14 57:5 65:17**  **66:2,7** procedures **128:10** proceed **56:8 94:7 233:3**  **262:6 272:14 292:20 326:21**  **344:1 345:1 355:15**  proceedings **196:21** process **18:10 136:1 178:13**  **193:18 207:6 207:18 250:8**  **258:10,15 273:1 285:21**  **286:6 288:17 297:14 348:1**  **369:12 372:10** processed**25:22 143:4 240:4**  **280:19** processing**40:3 97:17 121:19**  **122:15 125:16 133:18 219:18**  **252:20 257:13**

**259:4** processor**220:1** processors **285:20 320:12 367:2 371:11**  procrastinate **299:15** procured **353:21** produce**21:16 30:8 31:21**  **47:12 54:3 57:2 60:12**  **61:19 64:13 76:18 80:17**  **84:16 90:15 98:20 117:6**  **128:14,19 129:13 139:21**  **140:17 147:9 151:3 156:10**  **169:15 176:14 185:15 186:12**  **189:9,9 190:13 193:9,11**  **194:14 196:5 198:3,5 205:7**  **208:11,18 214:22 226:4,9**  **227:12 231:1 232:6 234:5**  **238:1 241:7 247:8 250:10**  **250:22 261:4 261:14 267:15**  **280:2 281:2 282:18 305:22**  **317:22 338:16 338:17 339:7,8**  **343:3,11 348:12 349:12**  **352:8 353:1 361:16 371:16**  **371:18 372:5** produced **33:13 49:10 57:19** 

**60:15 79:1 84:10 91:3**  **99:1 114:19 116:1 123:10**  **215:10 217:6 226:15 246:18**  **260:13,18 270:10 281:10**  **282:10 295:5 296:9 300:14**  **322:11 342:21 356:10 371:22**  **372:1 374:3** producer **97:21 99:17 110:4,5**  **130:17 148:22 158:12 169:13**  **171:17,20 198:7 207:2**  **227:9 237:11 241:5 253:19**  **256:12 277:4 321:8 331:17**  **334:8** producers **31:11 43:18,21 60:8**  **61:19 62:1 63:6 76:14,20**  **79:14 81:17 97:11,17 99:6**  **123:22 127:3 142:17 157:21**  **159:19 160:11 163:1,8,16**  **164:19 167:12 171:4 173:15**  **179:15 201:5 207:3 208:13**  **209:11 220:4 220:13 221:16**  **222:3 227:18 233:17 235:2**  **237:20 246:2 248:3 254:22** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**27:13 29:5,18 30:11 31:1,7**  **35:4,8,9,19 42:12 45:4**  **47:13 50:4 53:9 60:14**  **61:8 66:22 73:19,21 78:13**  **78:19 81:5,9 81:15 84:19**  **87:20 90:11 97:10 98:5,19**  **99:2 114:5 115:3 126:21**  **128:21 129:14 129:22 130:10**  **130:19 131:2 132:4,11,13**  **133:8 136:6,9 136:18,18**  **137:1,16 138:17 139:9**  **139:10,21 140:2,10,12,15**  **140:20 142:14 146:7 151:4,11**  **154:3 162:16 165:8,20,21**  **166:2,5,6,7,10 166:21 167:3,8**  **167:11 168:2 168:14,17**  **169:16 172:16 173:7 177:14**  **178:10,13 179:2,8 180:2**  **180:21 186:7 199:14 200:1**  **201:4,8,13 208:19 211:9**  **212:17 214:4 215:22 216:1**  **216:15 218:2 218:17 220:5**  **220:11,15**

**221:9 225:5,13 227:19,21**  **236:5,11,13 237:22 238:2**  **250:1,6,7 253:4 258:14**  **270:6,9,16,20 270:22 272:20**  **273:13 274:9 275:17 281:19**  **282:17 285:14 286:6 287:21**  **288:17 294:4,5 297:19 301:22**  **303:2,7 309:21 311:21 313:9**  **320:22 321:1,4 321:5 323:5,8**  **324:8,8,10,17 324:21 325:1,5**  **330:20 342:19 343:14 346:11**  **346:13 347:13 348:5,7 352:9**  **354:14 359:6 367:22 371:13**  **372:4 373:9** productivity **284:17** products **25:5 47:12 49:2**  **54:12 57:17 100:20 108:3**  **169:15 176:1 187:4 197:20**  **199:8 230:22 234:10 242:11**  **261:3 265:1 276:7 277:7**  **293:2,10,13 296:3 303:8**  **315:22 347:17 347:19 348:13**  **348:22** professional

**186:14** professionals **224:12 365:15** professor **113:13** profit **121:17 237:5 303:4**  profitability **263:1** profitable **114:3 128:20 201:1**  **250:13 303:2** profitably **331:18** profits **116:15 198:21 296:19**  **364:9** program **1:3 12:3,10 13:14**  **15:21,22 23:6 23:21 25:7,9**  **27:8 29:5,10 30:2 33:10**  **48:2 53:1 67:16 68:1**  **82:14 101:2,6 101:9 103:5**  **110:21,22 142:7 161:16**  **161:18 205:4 219:9 231:8**  **242:14 244:20 248:10 249:4**  **262:11 266:10 280:16 289:15**  **298:1 321:8 347:19 348:8**  **348:10 354:17 362:5**  programs**41:13 78:16 82:20**  **127:2 144:7 237:4 247:21**  **247:22 280:10 280:14** 

progress **61:14 77:12 79:3**  **159:4 289:15 349:5**  progressing **249:12** prohibit **70:12** prohibiting **71:6** project**63:13 122:17 139:20**  **191:8 214:3 291:20**  projected **14:6 18:12 20:17**  **217:7,12,14** projections **14:7 139:11,20**  projects **30:22 58:17 140:7,8**  **140:14,17 206:8 274:8,11**  **274:13 334:4** projectspecific **139:6** proliferate **297:11 299:15** prominent **79:19** promise**29:10 32:11 91:5,10**  **130:21 132:18 194:14 203:21**  **349:8** promises **61:15 320:3 352:13**  promote**48:2 128:10 135:14**  **161:13 187:6 226:4 264:1**  **332:5 346:20 347:1**  promoted **236:19** promotes**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**169:21 170:22 172:10 180:8**  **180:14 188:20 192:3,12**  **205:20 216:3 216:14 217:19**  **218:11,13 228:19 232:12**  **233:3 255:2 265:3 288:19**  **295:12 334:13 335:4,15,18,19**  **336:8,16 337:6 360:19**  proposals **101:18 122:21 182:6 216:10**  **220:18 257:18 288:20 337:4**  propose**23:20 112:13 165:20**  proposed **12:9 12:12,21 13:16**  **16:8,10 20:16 23:18 24:3**  **25:19 29:1 32:9 39:10,22**  **40:9,12 43:3 49:9 50:18**  **56:21 58:14,18 59:20 61:7**  **62:17 64:17 75:11 76:8**  **79:16 84:6,14 86:14,19 88:5**  **92:2,7 99:19 101:3,7 106:22**  **111:2 120:20 122:19 129:9**  **129:21 131:10 131:13,21**  **132:9 133:19 133:22 135:12**  **135:16,21 136:12,15** 

**138:1 143:15 144:13 153:8**  **157:22 161:19 163:2 166:4,12**  **166:21 167:2 167:11,14**  **168:3 174:14 180:12 190:18**  **194:1 199:12 199:16 207:15**  **207:16 208:9 208:22 210:13**  **212:6 213:20 214:6 215:2,11**  **215:21 216:5 216:11 217:6**  **217:13,16,18 217:22 218:8**  **220:17,22 238:19 249:10**  **258:22 259:6 262:10 265:18**  **278:15,18 284:8 285:8**  **287:14,17 299:8 311:5,9**  **312:6 325:6 341:12,15**  **349:4,14 350:9 359:1 360:11**  proposes **12:14 12:18**  proposing **16:1 16:3 23:7 29:9**  **31:4 84:2 92:4 103:8 131:8**  **266:5** proposition **164:17** prosperity**267:7** prosperous **214:5** prostaglandin **149:19** protect **87:8**

**148:13 198:20 227:1 252:16**  **269:5 281:5 284:17 297:7**  **298:7 305:21 365:8**  protected **345:12 365:12** protecting **36:9 85:17 265:1**  **361:2** protection **1:1 120:19 154:8**  **226:21 300:19 332:10**  protective **150:1** protein **99:3 154:1,3 164:1**  **178:12 339:21 339:22**  proud **36:14 112:19 159:6**  **186:2 188:12 190:2,4 231:6**  **253:22 256:4 279:14 358:13**  **361:15** proudly**228:10 297:3**  prove**228:2 294:17 302:6**  **309:2** proven **93:18 98:6 140:16**  **172:15 178:9 189:9 208:10**  **248:2 249:3 284:22 286:4**  **288:15 366:16** proverb **301:6** provide **12:22 17:2,5,16 18:2**  **26:8 44:5 45:6 54:4,20 55:21**  **99:5,21 100:3**

**100:15,18 115:9 128:15**  **135:22 155:9 168:2 183:13**  **190:21 203:19 209:15 210:9**  **219:12 221:5 240:3 264:1,2**  **267:18 278:10 279:8 286:4**  **288:15 293:13 294:18 298:3**  **300:4 310:15 311:18 348:9**  **348:21 368:5 369:8,14**  **374:14,15,19** provided **14:2 16:2 30:20**  **38:21,22 39:12 87:12 88:16**  **115:4 133:20 134:18 135:18**  **136:20 139:5 144:14 169:9**  **169:12 210:17 216:22 262:20**  **263:5,8 265:20 297:20 316:22**  **319:19 330:19 331:17 332:13**  **332:15 359:12 360:1,5 365:6**  providers **220:5** provides **14:17 41:6 43:21**  **49:7 67:16 100:13 137:2**  **143:1 154:1 169:6 172:18**  **179:6 200:11 217:20 220:8**  **315:21 332:2,7 333:2,5** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**249:1 252:11 255:11 256:17**  **298:3 301:3 304:5 307:1**  **313:4 316:12 332:21 362:22**  **368:19,21** pumped **35:15 270:1**  pumps **181:18 181:18 182:19**  **183:5 270:2,4 354:4**  punch **98:6** punish **33:11** purchase **104:4 141:3 166:19**  **178:11 240:8 336:1 364:19**  **374:4** purchased **248:15 318:7** purchases **171:16** purchasing **225:4 352:19** purported**29:13** purpose**24:9 101:4 194:3**  **248:18 268:18 280:16 284:14**  **310:14 318:10** purposes **12:2 25:2 88:13**  pursue **93:14** pursuit**298:11** push **30:3 139:4 322:6,14**  pushed **93:8** pushes **82:16** put**28:11 49:4 51:2 61:21**  **74:16 78:8 79:4 82:19**  **95:12 102:19**

**147:8 159:11 198:15,16**  **203:20 204:2 206:4 246:13**  **249:8 263:22 270:4 280:4**  **295:3 303:11 319:2 327:7**  **331:18 337:6,8 339:8 351:2**  **353:18 358:8 362:19**  puts **204:11 307:17 336:3**  putting **63:7,15 129:10 186:20**  **204:16 215:16 275:14 307:18**  **308:9 327:16** Q qap **372:3** quad **63:8 89:9 285:19 371:11**  **371:15,17,17 372:1 373:10**  qualify**49:15 221:22**  qualities **332:18** quality **11:20 13:12 29:7**  **47:12 48:7 82:9 88:14**  **149:2 164:16 167:7 179:5**  **184:14 265:1 277:7 284:18**  **304:8 358:21 362:10**  quantifiable **140:11** quantifies **160:18** quantitative **210:7,9**

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raise **85:13 96:4 102:20 133:18**  **151:21 152:19 154:9 159:21**  **160:6 164:20 168:4 227:2**  **277:20 301:4 302:12 305:11**  **308:22 320:18 344:13 374:1**  raised **83:17 109:7 125:10**  **158:2 188:17 262:13 311:3**  **337:19,20 368:6**  raisers **327:12** raising **97:16 149:17 235:9**  **248:17 276:3 342:18**  ramp**22:10 156:20**  ramped**246:12** ramps **310:22** rampup **22:12** ran **125:15** ranch **165:11** randall**2:15 28:13**  randomly **176:8** range **140:2 213:6**  ranking **60:13** ranks **270:6** rapidly **312:19 374:5**  rarely **194:11** rate **176:18 336:7**  rates **15:20 22:12 112:7**  **175:9 354:5** ratio**21:17 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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