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Summar y o f Marc h 9.199 9 Meetin g betwee n U.S . EP A an d SCAQM D o n LAE R A tU.S . EPA , Offic e o f

Ai r Qualit

y Plannin g & Standard s (OAQPS ) Durham , Neat h Carolina . (Muting Agenda attached) Attendees : U.S . EP A staf f from Regio n D

C a s wel l a s OAQPS , Genera l Counsel , in d Enforcement , an d SCAQM D staf f an d Hom e Rul e Advisor y Grou p (HRAG ) members , an d tw o publi c representatives . 1 . To m Curran , th e senio r rankin g U.S . EP A staf f presen tmad e openin g remarks , / followe d b y Le e Wallace , o n behal f o f th e SCAQM D HRAG , an d PomPo m Gangut

f o n behal f o f SCAQM D staff

. -Meetin g Agend a wa s distribute d an d PomPo m Gangul i state d tha tth e si x LAE R Issu e Paper s ha d no treceive d SCAQM D Governin g Boar d approva l althoug h the y represen tth e join tview s o f th e staf f an d th e HRAG . A n 7 attemp tt o hav e environmenta l representative s com e t o .OAQP S wa s no tsuccess"" '

• althoug h th e LAE R Issu e Paper s wer e maile d t e al l HRA G members , includin g environmenta l representative s ^Ganguli als o state d thatthi a meetin g wa s a continuatio n o f

th e dialogu e starte d betwee n SCAQM D an d U.S . EPA , Regio n IX , i n 1998 . Unde r th e topi c o f

Publi c Proces s fo r LAE R Determinations , ther e wa s a lo to f discussio n o n th e RACT/BACT/LAE R Clearinghous e (RBLC) . O f al l th e issue s discusse d atthi s meeting , EP A wa s mos tintereste d i n keepin g th e RBL C up-to-dat e ' an d accurate . Th e NS R Re f w a proposa l ma y als o requir e State s t o sen d i n RACT/BACT/LAE R detamination s withi n 6 0 day s o f penni tissuance . A ton e point , Davi d Solomo n suggeste d tying-entr y o f th e penni tinformatio n intoth e RBL C databas e befor e th e sourc e coul d begi n construction . Furthermore , h e suggeste d placin g th e burde n o n th e permitte e t o sen d tb e dat a t o EPA . Ric h Biond i sai d tha tt o justif y spendin g mor e mone y o n th e RBLC , EP A neede d mor a certaint y thatpeopl e

, wer e usin g it . Le e Wallac e suggeste d thatih e cunen tproces s wa s no tworkin g becaus e th e burde n o f

conductin g LAE R searche s i s place d o n th e penni tapplican t wh o i s i n th e weakes tpositio n o f al l thes e partie s t o obtai n informatio n from othe r businesses . Ro n Wilknis s requeste d ^feedbac k mechanis m t o flag LAE R determination s thatfaile d t o perfor m as expecte d durin g th e processin g o f a penni t application . PomPo m Gangul i sai d tha tth e federa

l RBL C di d no tinclud e ne w informatio n o n achieved-in*practic e LAE R technolog y tha twer e permitte d a thighe r emissio n levels , Gre g Adam s reiterate d th e nee d for publi c participatio n i n LAE R determinations , Gangul i focused o n th e ne w forma tinstitute d atth e SCAQM D t o repor tBAC T determination s an

d th e publi c proces s wit h th e Scientifi c Revie w Committee . Whil e ther e wa s acknowledgmen to f a 30-da y publi c commen tperio d i n establishin g mor e ' restrictiv e BACT , ther e wa s n o acknowledgemen tb y U.S . EP A thatdirec tpubli c ' inpu tint o LAE R wa s a n issue .

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EPA' s traditiona

l positio n ha s bee

n tha tLAE R i s determine

d b y th e Stal e o

r Loca l permittin g authorit y an d th e publi c revie

w perio d for permit

s provide s th e publi c adequat e opportunit

y t o review , an

d commen to n LAE R determinations . Fran k Blazack o f

U.S . EP A wa s introduce

d a s th e keepe r o f th e actua l RBLC . H e sai d tha tth e RBL C wa s neve r mean tt o b e a definitiv

e listin g o f

LAER. Fran

k als o mentioned tha

tEP A wa s considerin

g a vendoMriente

d candidat e LAE R site . Le e Wallac e introduce

d th e concep to f

a presumptiv

e rebutta l tha tapeunitte- e coul d us e i f th e RBL C coul d b e kep tu p t o date . 3 . Davi d Solomo n aske

d th e followin g cation s throughou tth e meeting , o n variou s topics : a) How/bi g a

n issu e wa s it ? - b ) Wa s i ta local issu e only-o

r di d ithav

e nationa l significance ? c ) Wha twer e th e concret

e example s an d evidenc e i n suppor

to f th e issue ? Itappeare d from To m Curra n tha tU.S . EP A wa s no tintereste d i n openin g o r reevaluating an

y nationa l LAE R policies . Cuna

n seeme d mos tinterested i n ou r comment s o n th e RBL C an

d whethe r o r no tth e relocatio n suggestion s woul d trigge r environmenta

l justic e concerns . 4 . Davi d Solomo n requeste d tha tSCAQM D wor k throug h th e Regio n D

C offic e o n LAE R issues . Bo b Wyma

n commente

d tha tRegio n D C wa s boun d b y nationa

l LAE R policie s an

d unable t o respon

d t o actua l situation s appropriately. 5 . Th e LAER Determinatio n Cutof f Dat e wa s no tparticularl

y controversia

l sine e U.S . EP A seeme d t o h e leanin g towar d a n applicatio

n deemed-complet

e tes ti n th e NS R Refor m proposa

l (the NS R Refor

m proposa

l als o contain

s additiona

l clarificatio n tiiatsource s woul d no thav e t o conside r candidat e technologie s tha

tha d no t complie d th e Achieved-In-Pracdc e criteri a 9 0 day s befor e th e application i s deeme d complete) . Denni s Crumple r o f U.S . EP A wh o wa s handlin g thi s particula

r issu e state d tha tnothing preclude

d a stat e from movin

g beyon d thi s criteri

a an d requirin g a n applican tt o investigat

e a promisin

g technology . Wyma

n aske d fo r clarification . Jo n Devin e o f

U.S . EP A essentially sai

d tha tState s an d Local s have tiie optio n t o enforc e a mor e rigorous policy . ' Wit h respec tt o emerging technology , To m Cuira n though ttha ti twa s i n industry' s favo r t o have specifi c information criteri a stipulate d befor e tthir d part y coul d insis t tha ta permittee investigat

e th e ne w technology . *

a 6 . Achieved-ln-Practjc

e criteri a wa s covere d nex tb y Ro n Wilknis s withou

tan y substantia l feedbac k from EPA . Alex Ros s argue d agains tend-of-pip e strategies . Ma n Habe r though ttha tth e group' s concern

s coul d b e addresse

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tLe e Wallac

e sai d tha tth e 50 %

. operatin g loa d criteri a wa s i n effec

tactin g a s a de-fect o maximu m the ta ne w technology need s t

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neede d e thigher nameplaie ratings . Specifically , i twa s no trepresentaxiv

e o f equipmen tcapacit y level s i n numerou

s industries . EP

A wante d concret e example s o f suc h cases . 7 . Bo b Wyma

n introduce

d the concep

to f narrowin g dow n th e scop e o f th e source categories . U.S . EP

A basicall y believe d thes e wer e purel y cos tissue s an

d tha ti f a particula r sourc e subcategor

y ha d a problem

, i tcoul d b e argue d ou twit h th e pennifdn g authorit

y a tth e appropriat

e time. 8 . Le e Wiilac e introduce

d th e concep

to f cos ti n LAER

, focusing o n th e problems wit h th e 198 9 Joh

n Calcagn i memo . H

e mentione

d tha tpotentia l emission s reductions from LAE

R implementatio

n a ttha ttime we n significan

twherea s suc h reductions no w ar e muc h smaller . Denni

f Crumple r wa s identifie d a s havin g actuall

y writte n th e Calcagn i memo . Whe

n Jo n Devin e questione

d Le e a s t o tb e statutor

y authority, Le e cite d th e 197 7 Hous e Repor

ton this issue . Gre

g Adam s trie d t o impres s upo n EP

A * . jus tho w smal

l a 1 0 TP Y sourc e (a n autobod y sho p paintin g 2 car s a day ) was . PomPo m Gangul i gav e EP A th e spra y boot h repor tprepare d fo r the Octobe

r 199 8 Governin g Boar d meetin g wit

h cos tdata

. Eventuall

y Ric h Biondi agree

d tha tther ? seeme d t o b e a proble

m wit h th e smal l emitter s bu toffere d n o recourse. Davi d Solomo n though

ti twa s unfai

r o f Bo b Wyma n t o cite th e $10,00 0 pe

r to n tha t th e Presiden

tquote d wit h th e ne w ambien tai r standards

, whic h wa s mean

tfor retrofi

t applications . Solomo n sai d tha testablishin

g an y cuiof f figure alway s resulte

d i a industr y tryin g t o gam e th e standard . Wyma n suggeste d tha i EP A pilo tth e Idea

s tha t the y hear d from SCAQM

D today . Davi d Solomo

n suggeste d tha ta loca l solutio n coul d b e worke

d ou twitii Region D

C a s long a s nationa l LAE R policie s wer

e lef t unchanged . Affordabilit

y wa s netdiscusse

d i n depth. ' Pollutio n prevention an d th e problem s o f focusin g o n endof-pipe-onl y solution s a s detaile

d i n th e 199 8 Environmenta

l La w Institut e Repor twer e listene d t o politel y b y EPA . 9 . David Sobmo n aske

d i f w e ha d analyze d th e impac to f a mor e lenientLAE R polic y o n the SIP*attainmen

tdemonstration

. Weexplaine d w e ha

d not , bu tdi d no tthin k i t' wa s a significan

tissu e (offset

s wil l accoun

tfor an y emission

s shortfalls) . 10 . Alexande

r Ros s state

d tha tall spra y booth s listed in th e Octobe

r 199 8 SCAQM

D Boar d packag e for potentia

l add-o n controls ^ could us e UV-cure d an d low-VO C coatings as alternativ

e LAER . A ton e poin ti n th e discussio n afte

r Alexander Ros s ha d spoken , Mat

tHabe r suggeste d tha tw e focu s ou r effort s o n VOC s only , Le e Wallac

e note d ma tEP A Regjon.DC probabl

y ha d no tsee n man y example s o f problem s wit h LAE R fo r NO x because LAE

R for smalle

r boiler s ha d been mad

e mor e stringen tver y recently . EP

A agree d t o leav e th e issu e ope n for mor e

. information .

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. H e state d tha i EP A woul d b e wallin g t o discus s thes e issue s bu tdi d no twan ta long , draw

n ou tprocess . 12 . Barbar

a Bair d discusse d relocations , acknowledgin g tha tth e SCAQM

D SI P woul d hav e t o change as a resul tBarbar a explaine d tha tw e wer e focusing o n relocation s o f th e same source , wit

h n o ne temission s increase an

d ofte n wit h legitimat

e reason s for movin g beyond th e owner' s control . To m Curra n aske d i f ther e woul d b e environmenta

l justie e issue s treatin

g relocation

s lik e existin g sources . Barbar a explaine d tha

tther e wer e sufficien tsafoguard

s i n ou r ai r toxic s rules . Davi d Solomo n questioned i f

thi s wa s an

y differen ttha n a ne w sourc

e moving int

o th e basi n for ihe firsttime . PomPo

m Gangul i said tha tth e proposa

l wa s essentiall y transferrin

g th e contro l o f thes e source s from NS R t o th e SI P for emissio n reduction

s throug h loca l retrofi trules . Th

e grou p suggested tha

trelocatin g wit h ol d LAE

R migh tb e on e approach . Davi d Solomon suggeste d tha tperhap s incrementa

l cost s an d no tabsolut

e

. cost s coul d b e investigated i n A e cas e o f a relocation . H e wante

d t o se e specifi c cas e studies . * 13 . A ton e poin tin.th e discussion , EP A rebutte d ou r statemen

ttha tlarg e number s o f source s ax e impacte d sayin g tha

tman y area s i n th e countr

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