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I NTH E MATTE ROF : DIAMON D AI RCHARTER , INC FA ADocke t No . CP10EA000 4 FDM S No . FAA-2010-062 0 Wednesday , Augus t 10 , 201 1 Th e above-entitle dmatte r cam e o n fo r hearin g vi a teleconference , pursuan t t o notice , a t 10:0 0 a.m . BEFORE : TH E HONORABL E J.E . SULLIVAN ,

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O nBehal f o f th e Respondent : GREGOR YWINTON , ESQ . of ; Aviatio nLa wExperts , LL C On e Researc hCour t Suit e 45 0 Rockville , M D 2085 0 (301 ) 294-855 0

O nBehal f o f th e Complainant : ZACHAR YBERMAN , ESQ . Attorney , Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counsel , AEA- 7 Easter nRegio n o f : Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n 1 Aviatio nPlaz a Roo m56 1 Jamaica , N Y1143 4 (718 ) 553-325 8



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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 10:0 1 a.m . JUDG E SULLIVAN : We'r e o nth e
recor d i nCh e matte r o f Diamon dAi r Charte r Inc . Thi s i s FAAdocke t numbe r CP10EA0004 .

Presen t i s th e cour t reporter . O n behal f o f th e FA Ai s Mr . Berman . O nbehal f o f th e responden t i s Mr . Winton , an d w e convene d thi s mornin g fo r a litigatio nschedulin g conference . Goo dmorning . Counse l . I ' ms o delighte d - -

MR . WINTON : Goo dmorning . JUDG E SULLIVAN : - - t o hav e yo u joi nme . Thi s shoul db e a fairl yshor t conference . I jus t wan t t o mak e sur e tha t w e
ca nse t u p som e litigatio nprocedura l du e date s fo r everyon e that , perhaps , o nou r calendar , a nagree d wee k fo r th e trial .

An da s I understan dit , it' s i n Ne wYork ?

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1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . WINTON : Judge , i f I may , thi s

i s Gre g Winton . I coul dprobabl yshort

circui t a whol e bunc ho f this , i f I ma yb e heard ? JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . O f course .

MR . WINTON : I tol d Mr . Berma nan d h e I S awar e tha t Diamon dAi r Charte r ha s voluntar-il ysurrendere d thei r ai r operatin g certificat e t o b e a charte r operator .

The yhav e also , unde r th e law s o f th e stat e o f Ne wYork , dissolve d th e corporation , an d hav e n o longe r anyassets , plac e o f business , o r employees .

Now , m yunderstandin g is , ther e ha s no t bee na nofficia l windin g dow ni n accordanc e wit hth e Ne wYor k busines s corporation s law , bu t that' s becaus e there' s n o assets , nobody' s willin g t o d o th e work , an d nobody' s bein g paid .

I nfact , I' mno t eve nsur e i f I' m bein g pai d fo r thi s tim e today , bu t that ' s besid e th e point . 

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2 tha t the yn o longe r hav e a nFA Acertificat e 3 an d n o longe r hav e anyassets , wha t i t i s tha t 4 I ca nprovid e t o hi mi nth e wa yo f a n 5 affidavi t t o secur e tha t knowledge , an dtha t 6 th e FA

Awoul d the nclos e the mou t o f ther e wit hn o furthe r action .

N o sens e i nholdin g a hearin g i n thi s case . 1 0 JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d hav e yo u bee n 1 1 abl e t o ge t a respons e fro mMr . Berma nabou t 1 2 that ? 1 3 MR . WINTON : I hav e no t gotte na 1 4 response . I've aske dnumerou s times , an d I' m 1 5 waitin g t o hea r fro m him . Mayb e h e ca nanswe r 1 6 no wfo r us . 1 7 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Mr . Berman , d o yo u hav e anyrespons e t o that ? 1 9 MR . BERMAN : Yes . Yes , it' s tru e 2 0 tha t Diamon d Ai r Charte r voluntaril y 2 1 surrendere d thei r certificate , bu t th e on e 2 2 thin g tha t - - th e reaso nwe'r e stil l



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2 civi l penalt yi s tha t the ystil l exis t a s a Corporation . 4 W e reviewe d th e records , th e Ne w 5 Yor k Stat e incorporatio nrecords , an dthe y 6 stil l exis t a s a corporation , accordin g t o 7 thes e records .

Now , Mr . Winto nsay s they'r e no t 9 doin g anybusiness . I' m no t a nexper t o nNe w 1 0 Yor k corporat e law , s o I don ' t kno wwha t 1 1 exactl yth e status , bu t accordin g t o thei r 1 2 officia l records , I woul dsay- - I thin k th e 1 3 burde nshoul d b e pu t o nth e charte r t o prov e 1 4 tha t the ydon' t exis t a s a corporation , i f th e 1 5 record s indicat e otherwise . 1 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Le t m e as k yo u a 1 7 question , Counsel . I nyou r experience , i n 1 8 you r practice , wha t doe s a corporatio n 1 9 normall ynee dt o d o t o sho wyo u tha t i t wil l 2 0 n o longe r b e operatin g unde r it s article ? 2 1 MR . BERMAN : Well , normall yw e 2 2 woul d reques t a certificat e o f - - lik e w e ha d

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### anothe r cas e recentl ywher e the ypresente da certificat e o f dissolutio na s a corporation .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d i s thi s a certificat e that' s file d i nth e loca l court , 5 O r i s i t simpl ya certificat e tha t yo u hav e 6 bee ngive nthat ' s bee nsigne dbysay , th e 7 presiden t o f th e corporation ?

MR . BERMAN : It' s - - i t wa s - - i n 9 tha t cas e I wa s talkin g about , i t wa s signe d 1 0 b

yth e presiden t o f th e corporation , bu t i t 1 1 als o ha dsom e kin do f stam p o f approval byth e 1 2 state . 1 3 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Al l right . 1 4 Mr . Winton , doe s tha t giv e yo u som e bette r 1 5 definitio no f what' s expecte dfro myou r 1 6 client ? 1 7 MR . WINTON : Yes , You r Honor . Bu t 1 8 th e proble mi s that , myunderstanding , again , 1 9 it' s bee na lon g tim e I practice dbusines s 2 0 corporatio nla wi nNe wYork , i s tha t yo u ca n 2 1 d o i t certainl ytha t wayan d hav e a windin g 2 2 dow nwit hth e asset s bein g dissolved , o r i f



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2 i s inactiv e fo r a perio do f time , an di t ma y 3 bel2to2 4 months , the nautomatically , th e 4 busines s corporation s uni t o f Ne wYor k wil l 5 com e an d clos e th e companydown , sendin g a 6 notic e t o th e agent . 7 S o th e proble mis , i f nothing' s 8 don e b

yth e company , eventuall yit' s goin g t o 9 ge t ther e an dwe'r e goin g t o ge t tha t 1 0 certificate . 1 1 ButI'mtellin g you , ther e i s 1 2 nobodyremainin g i nth e busines s righ t no wt o 1 3 d o a certificat e o f dissolution . 1 4 S o wha t I ' msayin g is , I coul d 1 5 probabl yge t a naffidavi t sayin g tha t i t 1 6 doesn' t d o anybusiness , i t doesn' t hav e any 1 7 assets , i t doesn' t inten dt o d o business , bu t 1 8 that' s th e bes t tha t we'r e goin g t o ge t fro m 1 9 thi s companyrigh t now . Nobody' s willin g t o 2 0 pu t anymor e time , effort , o r mone yint o it . 2 1 Th e alternativ e is , yo u continu e 2 2 t o hol d th e hearing . I don' t sho wup . Th e


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2 judgement . Yo u spen t al l tha t tim e an dmone y 3 t o trave l t o Ne wYork , an d yo u can' t collec t 4 SHO O civi l penalty , whic hi s al l we ' r e 5 fightin g over , anyway . 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Le t m e as k yo u 7 this , Mr . Winton . A t abou t wha t poin t di d 8 Diamon d voluntaril ysurrende r it s certificate ? 9 MR . WINTON : Mr . Herma nwoul dhav e 1 0 th e bette r idea , becaus e h e wa s o nto p o f 1 1 that . 1 2 I s i t thre e months , Zach ? 1 3 MR . BERMAN : I t wa s - - 1 4 MR . WINTON : Mayb e mor e tha nthat . 1 5 MR . BERMAN : - - I thin k i nMay . I 1 6 hav e a lette r her e fro mMr . Misian o t o Mr . Ma c 1 7 Reid , th e directo r o f operations , date d Ma y 1 8 2 5th , acknowledgin g tha t o nFebruar y18t h- - 1 9 Februar y18th , 2011 , the ydeposite da 2 0 certificate . 2 1 MR . WINTON : Oh , February . Okay . 2 2 MR . BERMAN : An d 9 0 day s lapsed , NEA LR

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accepte d a s permanentl ysurrendered .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . MR . WINTON : Bu t the yhaven' t ha d i t fo r si xmonths .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , Counsel , I' m goin g t o as k yo u t o direc t you r comment s t o me , i f yo u woul db e s o kind . I thin k i t wil l b e easie r fo r ou r transcript .

Le t m e as k yo u this , an d thi s i s bein g directe d t o Mr . Berma nagain .

MR . BERMAN ; Yes . JUDG E SULLIVAN : I kno wtha t ther e hav e bee nsom e settlement s tha t hav e bee n file d wit hthi s offic e wher e ther e i s essentiall ya nagreemen t wit hkeepin g th e fil e open , waitin g fo r a perio d o f tim e t o end . I kno wit' s no t th e mos t commo nthin g that ' s don e here , bu t i t ha s bee ndone .

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S o I - - Mr . Winto ntha t ther e ma y b e a nautomati c de-cer t ificatio nfro mth e stat e o f Ne wYor k a t a certai npoint , bu t i t hasn ' t occurre dyet . An di t won ' t occu r withi nth e nex t fe wmonths , bu t i t wil l occur .

I s tha t anothe r possibilit yfo r th e tw o o f yo u t o tal k abou t privately ?

MR . BERMAN : Well , I woul dprefe r t o ge t som e kin do f affidavi t tha t prove s tha t the ydon' t exis t a s a corporation .

An d Mr . Winto ndi doffe r m e - - h e di d offe r suc ha naffidavit , bu t h e sai dh e wouldn' t giv e i t t o m e unles s the ywer e - - I

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cas e base d o nth e affidavit . An dI can' t d o tha t unles s I se e wha t th e affidavi t ha s t o say . JUDG E SULLIVAN : O f course . Okay .

Counsel , i s i t possibl e fo r th e tw o o f yo u t o tal k t o eac hothe r privately .



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1 exchang e som e documentation , an d the nrepor t 2 bac k fo r a secon d litigatio nconference , sa y 3 i nabou t tw o t o thre e weeks ? 4 I' mno t sur e tha t I ca n 5 orchestrat e anythin g mor e tha nthi s a t thi s 6 point . 7 MR . BERMAN : That' s - - 8 MR . WINTON : Thi s i s Mr . Winton . 9 Yes , yes . Wha t w e - - Zac han d I hav e know n 1 0 eac hothe r fo r ove r 2 0 years , an d o f course , 1 1 we'1 1 continu e t o wor k together . 1 2 I gues s myconcer nis , becaus e 1 3 it' s s o difficul t fo r m e t o eve nfin d th e 1 4 perso nlef t a t th e busines s that ' s abl e t o 1 5 sig nthi s affidavit , i f I draf t something , 1 6 becaus e I' m guessin g tha t wha t th e FA Ai s 1 7 goin g t o wan t t o satisf yth e case , an dMr . I S Berma ncome s bac k t o m e an dsays , that' s no t 1 9 sufficient , the nI' m goin g t o hav e t o star t 2 0 al l ove r agai nan d hun t somebodydow nagai n 2 1 an d chang e th e language . 2 2 I f h e tell s me , thes e ar e th e typ e

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o f thing s tha t w e nee di na naffidavit , g o ahea d an d ge t i t fro myou r client , the nI kno w 3 1 ca nd o i t once , hun t dow nth e perso nt o sig n 4 it , provid e i t t o th e FAA , an dth e fil e ca nb e 5 satisfie d an dw e ca nmov e on . 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Wel l tha t 7 --Mr . Berman , woul d yo u b e abl e t o mak e thos e kind s o f affirmation s t o Mr . Winton ? 9 MR . BERMAN : Again , I' mno t reall y 1 0 sur e wha t - - I' mno t - - I don' t - - I' mno t 1 1 familia r wit hwha t th e Ne wYor k corporatio n 1 2 la wi s to , yo u know , wha t make s a compan ynon 1 3 existen t i f th e record s indicat e tha t - - an d 1 4 Mr . Winto ndoe s see mt o hav e som e familiarit y 1 5 wit hit . 1 6 S o perhap s Mr . Winto ncould , sen d 1 7 m e - - mak e som e citation s t o th e la wo r 1 8 somethin g t o satisf ym e tha t - - writ e a lette r 1 9 t o m e o r something , wit hsom e authorit y- - 2 0 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Mr . Berman , le t 2 1 m e as k yo u this . I nterm s o f you r en dgoal , 2 2 a s I understan d it , you r en dgoal , an dcorrec t


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them , ou r goa l woul d jus t simpl yb e 1 5 t o hav e a findin g o f a violation , simpl ya 1 6 historica l recor do f thi s violatio nbyDiamon d 1 7 Ai r Charter , withou t anypaymen t o f a civi l 1 8 penalty . 1 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . An di n 2 0 term s o f lookin g a t a naffidavi t o r a 2 1 certificat e fro mth e respondent , ar e yo u 2 2 lookin g specificall yt o hav e a nassertio n

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### 1 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Mr . Winton , le t m e tur nt o you . I s ther e anythin g tha t yo u ca nthin k of , i n 4 additio nt o wha t we'v e talke d about , tha t 5 migh t secur e tha t kin d o f assuranc e t o th e FA A 6 i n- - 7 MR . WINTON : You r Honor , my concer ni s exactl ywha t Mr . Berma njus t said . 9 H e doesn' t kno whimsel f wha t i s goin g t o 1 0 satisf yhi ma s a nAgenc yCounse l an d hi s 1 1 supervisor s t o clos e th e matter , s o he' s 1 2 leavin g i t i nmyhand s t o com e up wit h 1 3 somethin g tha t ma yo r ma yno t satisf yth e FAA . 1 4 An d it' s a nimpossibilit yfo r m e 1 5 t o assum e tha t wha t 1 pu t togethe r o na piec e 1 6 o f pape r i s goin g t o pas s muster . An d th e 1 7 chanc e o f m e goin g bac k an d gettin g somethin g 1 8 differen t i s no t onl ya nonerou s burde no nm e 1 9 an d m

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1 along , Greg , I don' t kno wwha t t o tel l you , 2 wha t I nee d t o clos e th e file . 3 S o that' s wh ywe'r e a t a 4 standstill . I' db e mor e tha nhapp yt o d o wha t 5 h e want s m e t o d o i f h e tell s m e wha t i t i s 6 tha t h e want s m e t o do . 7 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Okay . 8 MR . WINTON : Bu t i f h e ask s m e t o 9 d o researc ho nNe wYor k BCL , I thin k it' s a 1 0 littl e bi t much . 1 1 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . 1 2 Mr . Berman , I thin k i f yo u ar e 1 3 uncomfortabl e a t thi s poin t wit hwha t ha s bee n 1 4 offere d t o yo u an d yo u wan t somethin g more , 1 5 yo u d o hav e a naffirmativ e obligatio nt o 1 6 provid e som e directio nt o Respondent' s Counse l 1 7 abou t wha t yo u nee d fo r settlement . An dI'l l 1 8 leav e i t t o th e tw o o f yo u t o se e wha t yo u ca n 1 9 has hou t privately . 2 0 MR . BERMAN : Okay . Al l right . 2 1 I'l l d o som e researc ho nmyown , bu t yo u 2 2 suggeste d tha t w e reconven e i ntw o o r thre e

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 .1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 that , I wan t t o tal k t o yo u abou t wha t w e

woul d b e doin g i ntw o t o thre e week s i f settlemen t doesn' t occur , yes .

MR . BERMAN : Wha t I'l l d o i s I'l l d o som e research , figur e ou t wha t coul d sat i sf yu s - -

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . MR . BERMAN : An dI'l l conve ytha t t o Mr . Winton , an dhopefull yw e coul dwor k somethin g out .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Than k yo u
ver ymuch . MR . WINTON : Judge , thi s i s Gre g Winto nagain . I thin k - - I mean , w e almos t don' t nee d t o put . somethin g o nth e calendar , an d I' m

confiden t tha t you'r e goin g t o ge t a notic e o f settlemen t fro mbot hparties .

An ds o i f yo u leav e i t ope n indefinitely , an d mayb e wit ha follow-u p i na month , tha t shoul db e sufficient .

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much , Mr . Winton , bu t I thin k it' s muc hmor e efficien t fo r m e t o jus t hav e yo u bot hloo k a t you r calendar s no wan d se t somethin g up .

MR . WINTON : Okay . JUDG E SULLIVAN : I f yo u fin dtha t yo u hav e reache da settlement , an d yo u sen di n
a withdrawa l notice , fo r example , I' mhapp yt o strik e that .

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