hcr188c1 test

Monica Shimamura to: richard 11/10/2009 07:46 PM

Cc: gary, Margaret Sheppard

Follow Up: Normal Priority. 

Hi Richard,

As Margaret suggests in her email below, it appears like you are testing equipment for two other end uses

- retail food refrigeration and vending machines. Unfortunately, these two end uses are different from

household refrigerators and MVAC therefore would require separate submissions. I am including a link to

our SNAP web page which discusses the different end uses in the Refrigeration and Air Conditioning

sector for your convenience. Similar to the household refrigerator and freezer submission we would need

a fault tree analysis and the SNAP application form filled out. 

http://epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/index.html

Please also note that vending machines might be more challenging end use to evaluate for HC

refrigerants as it has many different electrical components within the machine - increasing the potential for

sparking to occur. Also, as I understand, there is no UL or any other national safety standard for vending

machines for flammable refrigerants. 

Margaret has responded to your charge testing question in the email below.

Please feel free to contact me concerning the additional end uses. The Federal Government is observing

Veteran's Day tomorrow therefore we will be back in the office on Thursday.

Cheers,

Monica 

Monica Shimamura

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Stratospheric Protection Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave. NW (6205J)

Washington DC 20460

(tel) 202.343.9337

(fax) 202.343.2362

Address for hand delivery (UPS/Fed Ex/etc):

1310 L St. NW, 10th Floor (1027N)

Washington DC 20005

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From: Margaret Sheppard/DC/USEPA/US

To: Monica Shimamura/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

Date: 11/10/2009 04:36 PM

Subject: Fw: hcr188c1 test

Monica,

Richard has raised a number of issues here. It seems like he is doing testing related to a number of new

end uses for which he has not yet submitted under the SNAP program.
To date, HCR-188C has been tested for charge size against HFC-134a in household refrigerators and in

motor vehicle air conditioning, and the mass percentage ratio was different for the two different types of

equipment. 

HCR-188C has been tested for charge size against HCFC-22 in a window air conditioning unit. The mass

percentage ratio was 40%. But there were some problems with the testing (the capillary tube) that made

Richard think at the time that a smaller charge size might possibly be appropriate.

I believe it is still necessary to have test results in other types of equipment to verify whether Richard and

Robert's impression is correct that the percentage will the same when the same two refrigerants are

compared. If results agree for each refrigerant pair after looking at several different kinds of equipment

(especially for different end uses), then we might be able to agree that additional testing is not required.

Please share this message with Richard and add your thoughts about whether there will be submissions

for the new end uses.

Margaret Sheppard

Environmental Scientist

Significant New Alternatives Policy Program

USEPA/Stratospheric Protection Division

Tel. 202-343-9163

Fax 202-343-2338

email: sheppard.margaret@epa.gov

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From: richard@astrust.com

To: Robert Hill Intertek <robert.hill@intertek.com>

Cc: gary <riskscicom@aol.com>, Monica Shimamura/DC/USEPA/US@EPA, Margaret

Sheppard/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

Date: 11/10/2009 10:53 AM

Subject: RE: hcr188c1 test

Rob:

We need to do the fault tree and risk assessment for the application for other appliances.

The charge amounts will be important to Gary who does the fault tree analyis and risk assessment. We know that 

134a systems, HCR188C1 uses 25% charge and, on R22 systems, it uses 40% charge. No matter how many tests

we run the percentages are the same. Do you agree with this?

My last conversation with Margaret Sheppard was that the charge amounts had to be done for every appliance tha

will confirm with her and get back to you.

Margaret: Are the charge amounts still required in actual physical tests or can we presume, at this point, that HC

stated as above? Please let us know so we can proceed.

Thank you,

Richard
Richard Maruya

phone 808 2351890 

fax 808 235 0116

cell 808 5614688

e mail richard@maruya.net or richard@astrust.com

web site HCR188C www.hcr188c.com

The "CLIMATE FRIENDLY" Refrigerant

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--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Robert Hill Intertek <robert.hill@intertek.com> wrote:

From: Robert Hill Intertek <robert.hill@intertek.com>

Subject: RE: hcr188c1 test

To: richard@astrust.com, "monica shimamura" <shimamura.monica@epamail.epa.gov>, "margaret sheppard" <

Cc: "gary" <riskscicom@aol.com>

Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:35 AM

Richard,

Refrigerant systems that are similar will all take the same percentage of refrigerant - so I do not see any reason to test eve

may see a difference in commercial equipment that contains devices such as liquid receivers and suction line accumulator

refrigerant so the percentage may be higher.

Thanks,

Robert J. Hill

Senior Engineer / HVAC Sales

Telephone +1 607 758 6270

Intertek

3933 US Route 11

Cortland, NY 13045

Cell: +1 607 423 3190

Fax: +1 607 753 7560

Email Address: robert.hill@intertek.com

www.intertek.com/hvac

From: richard@astrust.com [mailto:richard@astrust.com]

Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:15 AM

To: Robert Hill Intertek; monica shimamura; margaret sheppard
Cc: gary

Subject: hcr188c1 test

Rob:

As per our conversation. The test which I require will show the charge amount of HCR188C1 for other appliance

residential settings including vending and dispensing machines. The test will be HCR188C vs 134a and R22 char

Please let me know what it would take to do this.

Thank you

Richard

Richard Maruya

phone 808 2351890 

fax 808 235 0116

cell 808 5614688

e mail richard@maruya.net or richard@astrust.com

web site HCR188C www.hcr188c.com

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