### •jEPARTMEMTOf-^ IRANSPORWIO N ^ ..'V:i;^TnPFRAT!ONS UNITE DSTATE S DEPARTMEN T O F TRANSPORTATIO N I NTH E MATTE ROF : SUNSTAT E PROPELLER , INC. ,

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Conferenc e Roo m Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n 122 0 L Street , N.W. , Suit e 60 0 Washington , D.C . Tuesday , Octobe r 4 , 201 1 Th e partie s met , pursuan t t o th e notice , a t 2:3 0 p.m .

BEFORE : HONORABL E J.E . SULLIVA N

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APPEARANCES : (Vi a Telephone ) Fo r th e Respondent : MICHAE L A . HANSON , Esquir e • Hanso nLa wOffic e 250 1 Nort hOrien t Road , Suit e D Tampa , Florid a 3361 9 (813 ) 626-730 4 Fo r th e FAA : EDDI E THOMAS , Esquir e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counse l Souther nRegio n P.O . Bo x2063 6 Atlanta , Georgi a 3032 0 (404 ) 305-520 0 

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1 PROCEEDING S 2 (2:3 0 p.m. ) 3 JUDG E SULLIVAN : We'r e o nth e recor do n 4 Octobe r 4 , 2011 , i nth e cas e o f Sunstat e Propeller . 5 Inc• , Docke t No . CPFAA-2011-0780 . W e hav e convene d 6 fo r a litigatio nschedulin g conferenc e b ytelephone . 7 Th e Respondent , Sunstat e Propeller , Inc. , i s 8 represente dbyMichae l A . Hanson . Th e FAAi s 9 represented . Th e attorne yo f recor di s Andre a 1 0 Michell e Harper . She' s no t presen t today , bu t 1 1 standin g i nfo r he r i s Eddi e Thomas . 1 2 Mr . Thomas , coul dyo uidentif ywha t positio n 1 3 yo uhav e i nMs . Harper' s office ? 14 MR . THOMAS : I a mth e Regiona l Counsel , 1 5 Souther nRegion , FAA . 1 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . 1 7 MR . THOMAS : Michell e Harpe r work s unde r m y 1 8 supervisor . 1 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Than kyo ufo r appearin g 2 0 thi s afternoon . It' s myunderstandin g tha t Ms . Harpe r 2 1 i s no t availabl e today . 2 2 MR . THOMAS : That' s correct . She' s no t 2 3 available . Sh e ha dsom e illnes s i nhe r family . He r 24 stepfathe r i s i nth e intensiv e car e unit , an dshe' s 2 5 ther e t o b e wit hhe r mothe r an dhim . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . D o yo uhav e acces s 2 t o he r calendar ? Ar e yo uprepare dt o subi nfo r her , 3 o r d o yo uhav e a motio nfo r th e Court ? 4 MR . THOMAS : I d o no t hav e a motio nfo r the 5 Cour t a t thi s poin t simpl ybecaus e I jus t receive dthe 6 file . 7 JUDG E SULLIVAN : S o ar e yo uprepare dt o sub 8 i nfo r he r todayandcalenda r thing s o nhe r docket ? 9 MR . THOMAS : No , I wasn't , bu t i f fo r som e 1 0 reaso nit' s necessar yI gues s I'l l d o wha t I hav e t o 1 1 do . 1 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Well , that' s wha t I' m 1 3 askin g you , Mr . Thomas . D o yo uhav e a motio nt o mak e 1 4 t o thi s Court , o r ar e yo uprepare dt o g o forwar di n 1 5 he r place ? 1 6 MR . THOMAS : I' dlik e t o mov e t o continu e 1 7 thi s unti l I kno wexactl ywha t i s happenin g wit hMs . 1 8 Harper . 1 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . An dho wlon g o f a 2 0 perio do f tim e ar e yo umakin g the motio nfor ? Ar e yo u 2 1 lookin g fo r on e week ? Tw o weeks ? Wha t timefram e ar e 2 2 yo ulookin g at ? 2 3 MR . THOMAS : I' mlookin g fo r a minimumtim e 2 4 o f abou t a wee kunti l I ca nhav e a nopportunit yt o 2 5 tal kt o he r an dse e wha t he r situatio ni s wit hhe r and Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 he r family . 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Mr . Hanson , d o yo u 3 hav e an yobjectio nt o tha t motion ? 4 MR . HANSON : I don't . Judge . However , I 5 thin kI ca nprobabl ysav e everybod ya lo t o f time . 6 Ms . Harpe r ha dfile da motio nt o hav e th e 7 Cour t jus t conside r th e financia l fin e i nlie uo f a 8 hearing , an dw e ar e i nagreemen t wit hdoin g that . 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dd o yo ukno wwhe ntha t 1 0 wa s filed ? 1 1 MR . HTU^SON : I go t i t abou t tw o week s ago . 1 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . An djus t s o yo u 1 3 know , thi s offic e jus t finishe da physica l mov e i n 1 4 locatio nan dI don' t hav e tha t i nm yfile . 1 5 Th e las t thin g I hav e i nm yfil e i s th e 1 6 notic e o f litigatio nschedulin g conferenc e tha t wa s 1 7 serve do nSeptembe r 15 , 2011 . 1 8 MR . HANSON : Okay . 1 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : I f ther e i s a nagreemen t 2 0 fo r a narrowin g o f th e issues , i t woul db e helpfu l i f 2 1 I hav e th e actua l motio ntha t Ms . Harpe r filed . An d 2 2 the na s I understan dit , you'r e agreein g o nthe ' recor d 2 3 t o tha t motion ? 2 4 MR . HANSON : Yes , w e are . 2 5 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 MR . HANSON : I'v e go t th e motio ni nm yhand . 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Woul dyo ud o m e th e 3 kindnes s o f faxin g i t t o m yoffice ? 4 MR . HANSON ; Sure . Le t m e se t thi s phon e 5 dow nfirs t here . The yuse dabou t 1 0 staple s o nthis , 6 s o it' s goin g t o tak e m e a minut e t o ge t i t apart . 7 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Whil e you'r e doin g that , 8 ma yI as kyo ua questio ni nterm s o f th e civi l penalt y 9 itself ? 1 0 MR . HANSON : Yes . 1 1 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Ar e yo usayin g tha t tha t 1 2 coul db e addresse db ywritte nmotio nonly ? 1 3 MR . HANSON : W e woul dagre e t o that . W e 1 4 provide dth e FAAwit hal l th e documentatio nfo r 1 5 mitigatin g th e amoun t o f th e fine . I believ e i t wa s 1 6 $8,500 , i f I remember . 1 7 JUDG E SULLIVAN ; You'r e correct . 1 8 MR . HANSON : An dw e wer e jus t askin g tha t 1 9 th e Cour t conside r reducin g tha t i nligh t o f th e 2 0 company , Sunstat e Propeller's , financia l condition . 2 1 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Wh ydon' t w e d o 2 2 this , folks ? I thin kthi s migh t wor kou t bes t fo r 2 3 everyone . 24 Let' s continu e thi s t o a secon dconferenc e 2 5 tim e abou t tw o week s fro mnow . Tha t wil l giv e m e Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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2 Hanso ni s plannin g t o courtes yfa xt o m e thi s 3 afternoon . 4 An dthe ni f I hav e an yothe r question s fo r 5 counsel , I ca naddres s tha t eithe r wit hyou , Mr . 6 Thomas , o r wit hMs . Harper , assumin g tha t she' s bac k 7 i nth e offic e a t tha t time . Woul dtha t wor kfo r 8 everybody ? 9 MR . HANSON ; That' s fine . Judge . 1 0 MR . THOMAS ; Tha t woul dwor kfo r us . I' m 1 1 prett ysur e tha t she'l l b e i nth e offic e b ytha t time . 1 2 I nfact , I' mlookin g t o hea r fro mhe r probabl y 1 3 tomorro wsometime . 1 4 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Well , toda yi s th e 1 5 4t ho f October . Wha t abou t tw o week s fro mtoday ? I f 1 6 w e se t thi s fo r Tuesday , Octobe r 18 , sa ya t 2:3 0 i n 1 7 th e afternoon , woul dtha t wor kfo r bot ho f you ? I'l l 1 8 star t wit hyou , Mr . Hanson . 1 9 MR . HANSON : That' s fine , Judge . 2 0 JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , Mr . Thomas , woul dtha t 2 1 tim e b e availabl e o nMs . Harper' s calendar , t o you r 

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1 doubl ysure , d o yo uhav e tha t tim e availabl e o nyou r 2 . calenda r i f fo r som e reaso nsh e i s unavailable ? 3 MR . THOMAS : I f fo r som e reaso nshe' s 4 unavailable , 10-18-1 1 i s okay . An dyo usai dwha t tim e 5 i nth e afternoon ? 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Thi s woul db e Octobe r 18 , 7 2011 , a t 2:3 0 p.m. , th e sam e tim e tha t w e me t thi s 8 afternoon . 9 MR . THOMAS : Yes . I coul db e availabl e i f 1 0 she' s no t available . 1 1 JUDG E SULLIVAN ; Okay . I'l l simpl ynot e 1 2 tha t I'l l eithe r pla nt o mee t wit hMs . Harpe r o nth e 1 3 telephon e o r i f she' s no t availabl e wit hyou , Mr . 1 4 Thomas . 1 5 An dthen , Mr . Hanson , than kyo ufo r takin g 1 6 o nth e responsibilit yfo r apprisin gth e Cour t o f 1 7 what' s no t i nth e file . I'l l mak e sur e I tak e a goo d 1 8 loo ka t it . 1 9 I f I hav e an yquestion s t o hel p th e partie s 2 0 resolv e an yremainin gmatter s w e ca ntak e tha t u p o n 2 1 Tuesday , Octobe r 18 , 2011 , a t 2:3 0 Easter ntime . 2 2 MR . HANSON : That' s fine . Judge . Wha t i s 2 3 th e fa xnumbe r t o sen dthi s to ? O r a nemail . Eithe r 2 4 one . 2 5 JUDG E SULLIVAN ; I'l l giv e yo ua fa xnumber . Heritag e Reportin gCorporatio n

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2 MR . HANSON : Okay . I'l l ge t i t righ t ou t t o 3 you , Judge . 4 JUDG E SULLIVAN ; Okay . And , Mr . Hanson , 5 startin g wit hyou , i s ther e anythin g els e tha t w e ca n 6 addres s fo r you r clien t today ? 7 MR . HANSON ; No . I thin ktha t wil l d o it . 8 JUDG E SULLIVAN ; Okay . And , Mr . Thomas , 9 anythin g tha t w e ca naddres s fo r you r client ? 1 0 MR . THOMAS ; I don' t hav e anythin g else , 1 1 You r Honor . I jus t wan t t o sa yI appreciat e you r 1 2 patience . 1 3 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Than kyo uver ymuch , sir , 1 4 fo r standin g i nfo r Ms . Harper . 1 5 I t appear s ou r busines s i s complete . I'l l 1 6 than kyo uboth , counsel , fo r you r presenc e today . W e 1 7 ca ng o of f th e record . Than kyo uall . 1 8 ALL ; Than kyou . 1 9 (Whereupon , a t 2:3 7 p.m. , th e hearin g i nth e 2 0 above-entitle dmatte r wa s concluded. } 2 1 / / 2 2 / / 2 3 / / 24 / / 2 5 / / Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n (202 ) 628-488 8REPORTER' S CERTIFICAT E

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