**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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1 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

2 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2014, 2015, AND 2016 STANDARDS

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22 Kansas City, Kansas 66101**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  2 (Pages 2 to 5) Page 2 1 **PARTICIPANTS** 2 **EPA MEMBERS:** 3 **CHRISTOPHER GRUNDLER, Chair** 4 **WARD BURNS** 5 **ALEX CHEN** 6 **ROLAND DUBOIS** 7 **DAVID KOROTNEY** 8 **PAUL MACHIELE** 9 **JONATHAN MEYER** 10 **LAUREN REID** 11 12 **PANEL 1:** 13 **BRIAN JENNINGS** 14 **TIM HOGAN** 15 **BOB HENRY** 16 **DONN TESKE** 17 **ANNE STECKEL** 18 **JEFF COOPER** 19 20 **PANEL 3:** 21 **KENT ENGELBRECHT** 22 **CRAIG WILLIS**

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1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 3 (CONTINUED):** 3 **GRANT KIMBERLEY** 4 **RON MARR** 5 **GARY HAER** 6 **PHIL ABELS** 7 8 **PANEL 5:** 9 **BOB HEMESATH** 10 **JERRY MOHR** 11 **ROGER ZYLSTRA** 12 **BRUCE ROHWER** 13 **CHIP BOWLING** 14 **JEFF SANDBORN** 15 **MARTIN BARBRE** 16 17 **SPECIAL PANEL:** 18 **TERRY BRANSTAD, Governor of Iowa** 19 **JAY NIXON, Governor of Missouri** 20 **BILL NORTHEY, Iowa Secretary of Agriculture** 21 **RICHARD FORDYCE, Missouri Director of Agriculture** 22 Page 4 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 7:** 3 **CHARLES NORRIS** 4 **TIMOTHY J. RUDNICKI** 5 **JANINE LIN** 6 **JEFF FALLER** 7 **ABBY BERTZ** 8 **LAURA WILLIS** 9 10 **PANEL 9:** 11 **STEVE WILCOX** 12 **PAIGE ANDERSON** 13 **RON LEONE** 14 **TODD GARNER** 15 **RANDY STOOKEY** 16 17 **PANEL 11:** 18 **CONRAD CLEMENT** 19 **RICK SCHWARCK** 20 **NATHAN VANDER GRIEND** 21 **KEVIN ROSS** 22 **ROB HERBON**

Page 5 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 11 (CONTINUED):** 3 **TODD SNELLER** 4 5 **PANEL 13:** 6 **BILL GREVING** 7 **SUE SCHULTE** 8 **GLENN CALDWELL** 9 **JOSEPH SISK** 10 **LYNNE HOOT** 11 **TOM KOEHLER** 12 13 **PANEL 15:** 14 **ROBERT ANDERSON** 15 **BRIAN CARRON** 16 **JEREMY OSTRANDER** 17 **RICK PODLISKA** 18 **WILLIAM KEMPKER** 19 **MICHAEL LEWAN** 20 21 **PANEL 17:** 22 **JERRY DEMMER Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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Page 7 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 23 (CONTINUED):** 3 **JEFF GLENDENING** 4 **BOB NEUFELD** 5 **JASON STAUFFER** 6 **ART TANDERUP** 7 8 **PANEL 25:** 9 **DOUG DOLLISON** 10 **DARIN SCHLAPIA** 11 **JERROD KITT** 12 **DENIS W. MILLER** 13 **KEITH ALVERSON** 14 **ERIN WILCOX** 15 16 **PANEL 27:** 17 **MELISSA VATTEROTT** 18 **MIKE DANIELSKI** 19 **LOREN CLAUSSEN** 20 **MARVIN STECH** 21 **ROBERT BRUMMELS** 22 **SETH HARDER** Page 8 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **PANEL 29:** 3 **CHARLIE HUGHES** 4 **SCOTT BURKDOLL** 5 **KEVIN MOBLEY** 6 **JOEL ECKELMAN** 7 **TOM LEITNAKER** 8 **JEFF OESTMANN** 9 10 **PANEL 31:** 11 **BILL LAPP** 12 **ALLEN RIDER** 13 **TAYLOR NELSON** 14 **DAVE BIERMAN** 15 **CHERYL WORTH** 16 17 **PANEL 39:** 18 **IRIS CALDWELL** 19 **CHARLIE WILSON** 20 **ALAN BRINKER** 21 **DON VAN HOUWELING** 22 **AARON WALSH**

Page 9 1 **PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)** 2 **AD HOC PANEL:** 3 **GUY MILLS** 4 **ARTHUR MADDEN** 5 **DAVID KOLSRUD** 6 **SCOTT ZAREMBA** 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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1 **P R O C E E D I N G S** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Good morning, everyone. Welcome.** 3 **My name is Chris Grundler, and I'm the Director of** 4 **EPA's Office of Transportation and Air Quality.** 5 **We are very pleased to be in Kansas City today to** 6 **hear your views on what is a very important and** 7 **consequential public policy for the United States.** 8 **Chairing these hearings and hearing directly from** 9 **citizens is among my and my team's highest** 10 **responsibilities. We take this process very, very** 11 **seriously, and we are very interested in hearing your** 12 **views today. And we're grateful that you're here.** 13 **So with me today are senior members of my team who** 14 **will participate in the panels in both hearing rooms** 15 **today. I also want to express my tremendous gratitude** 16 **for our team in Kansas City at our regional office,** 17 **Region 7, and my colleague Becky Weber, who is going to** 18 **be chairing the second panel. She's the Director of** 19 **our Air and Waste Management Division here, and she and** 20 **her team have been just instrumental. We could not** 21 **have pulled off this hearing with this amount of** 22 **interest without their help.**

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1 **We'll be hearing testimony today on what we call a** 2 **Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for the 2014, '15, and** 3 **'16 standards under the Renewable Fuel Standard** 4 **Program, as well as the required volume for biomass** 5 **based diesel in 2017.** 6 **The NPRM, as we call it, was signed by our** 7 **Administrator on May 29th and was published on June** 8 **10th. The NPRM proposes both the volume requirements** 9 **and the corresponding percentage standard for four** 10 **different categories of renewable fuel -- cellulosic** 11 **biofuel, biomass-based diesel, advanced biofuel, and** 12 **total renewable fuel for 2014, '15, and '16. And it** 13 **also proposes the 2017 volume requirement for biomass** 14 **based diesel.** 15 **We're interested in comments on all aspects of the** 16 **proposed rulemaking, and we specifically ask** 17 **stakeholders to provide us relevant and up-to-date data** 18 **and analysis on the many issues discussed in the** 19 **proposal concerning the supply of renewable fuels.** 20 **We're looking forward to continued engagement with all** 21 **of the stakeholders as we work very closely with our** 22 **colleagues at the Departments of Agriculture and Energy** Page 12

1 **toward the development of a final rule.** 2 **I'd like to give everyone here a brief background** 3 **to set the context for the discussion today. Under the** 4 **Clean Air Act, EPA is required to determine the** 5 **renewable fuel standards each year. While Congress** 6 **specified volumes for each year for all four categories** 7 **of fuel, Congress also provided the authority to EPA to** 8 **change those volume requirements under certain** 9 **conditions.** 10 **The cellulosic biofuel standard must be based on** 11 **the volume projected to be available using the Energy** 12 **Information Administration's projections and** 13 **assessments of production capability.** 14 **The applicable volume of biomass-based diesel must** 15 **be determined for 2013 and beyond, as the statute did** 16 **not specify the volumes for years after 2012. The** 17 **biomass-based diesel volume requirement can be no lower** 18 **than 1 billion gallons, but it can be higher following** 19 **an analysis of a number of factors listed in the** 20 **statute.** 21 **With regard to advanced biofuel and total** 22 **renewable fuel, the statute provides several waiver**

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1 **authorities that permit reductions in the required** 2 **volumes under certain circumstances, and we believe** 3 **those circumstances are upon us.** 4 **More specifically, due to the fact that cellulosic** 5 **biofuel has not come online as fast as we all hoped,** 6 **coupled with the current constraints in the fuel market** 7 **to accommodate increasing volumes of ethanol, the** 8 **volume targets specified by Congress in the Clean Air** 9 **Act for '14, '15, and '16 cannot be achieved.** 10 **Simply setting the standards at the levels** 11 **targeted by Congress and trusting that this will** 12 **sufficiently incentivize the market to achieve the** 13 **mandates for 2016 we think is irresponsible and would** 14 **have significant negative impacts, including widespread** 15 **noncompliance.** 16 **The gap between the volume target in the statute** 17 **and the actual level of cellulosic production is simply** 18 **too big, on the order of 4 billion gallons. And this** 19 **gap cannot be closed in the next 12 to 18 months.** 20 **At the same time, we recognize that the statutory** 21 **volume targets were intended to be ambitious. Congress** 22 **set targets envisioning growth at a pace that far Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **exceeded historical growth rates. Congress intended** 2 **that this fuel market will change, and they intended** 3 **that the RFS program to incentivize these changes that** 4 **would not happen absent the RFS program.** 5 **So while we are proposing to use the tools** 6 **provided by Congress to reduce the annual volumes below** 7 **the statutory levels, we are proposing standards that** 8 **are consistent with Congress' clear goal of increasing** 9 **renewable fuel production and use over time. The** 10 **proposal has been specifically designed to overcome the** 11 **so-called E10 blend wall.** 12 **The proposed volumes would require significant** 13 **growth in production and use over historical levels.** 14 **We believe the proposed standards to be ambitious, but** 15 **within reach of a responsive marketplace. How** 16 **ambitious are they? With respect to cellulosic** 17 **biofuels, the proposal would increase what was produced** 18 **in 2014 by six times. As for total renewable fuels,** 19 **this proposal seeks to increase that number by 1.5** 20 **billion.** 21 **Let me say that again. This proposal increases** 22 **the total renewable fuel volume by 1.5 -- nearly 1.5**

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1 **billion gallons over what was produced last year.** 2 **That's a 9 percent increase.** 3 **For advanced biofuels, these are the fuels that** 4 **provide the greatest emission reductions and what** 5 **Congress intended to grow substantially. This proposal** 6 **seeks to increase those targets by 27 percent over** 7 **2014.** 8 **Let me say that again. This proposal would** 9 **increase advanced fuels by 700 million gallons over** 10 **production from last year, a 27 percent increase. And** 11 **for biodiesel, our proposal would increase year over** 12 **year up to 1.9 billion gallons in 2017.** 13 **Let me also say that we know how important this** 14 **program is to many of you. It is also very important** 15 **to our agency. We are in this for the long haul, not** 16 **just because our responsibility is to administer these** 17 **responsibilities that Congress gave us to implement the** 18 **law but, as important, because this matters for our** 19 **environment.** 20 **In the long run, to act on climate, we will need** 21 **to achieve the advanced fuel volumes in the RFS and,** 22 **indeed, considerably more if we're to achieve what** Page 16

1 **science is telling us we need to achieve by mid** 2 **century.** 3 **Finally, let me remind everyone that in addition** 4 **to today's hearing, there is an opportunity to send us** 5 **written comments. The written comment period closes on** 6 **July 27, 2015, and details on where to submit those can** 7 **be found in the notice announcing the proposal.** 8 **Now let me go over how we will conduct this** 9 **hearing.** 10 **We're conducting this hearing in accordance with** 11 **Section 307(d)(5) of the amended Clean Air Act, which** 12 **requires EPA to provide interested persons an** 13 **opportunity for oral presentation, in addition to** 14 **written submissions. The official record of this** 15 **hearing will be kept open for 30 days to provide for** 16 **submission of rebuttal and supplemental testimony.** 17 **This hearing will be conducted informally, and** 18 **formal rules of evidence will not apply. I will be** 19 **serving as the presiding officer of today's hearing,** 20 **and as such, I will strike statements from the record** 21 **which are irrelevant or needlessly repetitive and will** 22 **apply reasonable limits on the duration of the**

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1 **statement of any witness.** 2 **Because we have such a long list of those wishing** 3 **to testify today, we have had to limit the testimony to** 4 **3 minutes for each person. I and other EPA personnel** 5 **at this table will be keeping close track of testimony** 6 **times. We helpfully provide you with lights.** 7 **We won't be escorting you out of the hearing room** 8 **if you go beyond that, but we will be nagging you,** 9 **again because we want to hear from everyone. And we** 10 **will be here until the last person has spoken. So** 11 **please be courteous to those that follow you on the** 12 **panel so that everyone can speak.** 13 **We will be using a panel format for today's** 14 **testimony. We're doing that to, again, keep this** 15 **hearing efficient and reduce the transaction times** 16 **between testimony. Please state their name and your** 17 **affiliation prior to making your statement.** 18 **When each witness has finished his or her** 19 **presentation, the EPA panel will have an opportunity to** 20 **ask questions related to the testimony. Witnesses are** 21 **reminded that any false statements or false responses** 22 **to questions may be a violation of law. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **So in order to streamline the process, again,** 2 **members of each panel should be in the room well in** 3 **advance of their projected panel time and should make** 4 **their way to the staging area to the side of the panel** 5 **tables while the previous panel members are finishing** 6 **their testimony.** 7 **If any members of the audience wishing to testify** 8 **have not already signed up, please submit your name at** 9 **the registration table reserved for those giving verbal** 10 **testimony outside. Again, we will try to accommodate** 11 **everyone who wants to testify, and everyone attending** 12 **should sign the register whether or not you testify.** 13 **Thank you. And with that, I will introduce our** 14 **first panel of witnesses. They are Brian Jennings from** 15 **the American Coalition for Ethanol, Timothy Hogan from** 16 **the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Bob** 17 **Henry from the American Soybean Association, Donn Teske** 18 **from the Kansas Farmers Union and National Farmers** 19 **Union, Anne Steckel from the National Biodiesel Board,** 20 **and Jeff Cooper from the Renewable Fuels Association.** 21 **Welcome. Brian, you may proceed.** 22 **MR. JENNINGS: Thank you. Is this working? Yeah?**

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1 **Thank you. My name is Brian Jennings. I am the** 2 **executive vice president for the American Coalition for** 3 **Ethanol.** 4 **More than 100 people representing ACE member** 5 **companies will testify at today's hearing. My comments** 6 **will focus on EPA's methodology for setting the 2015** 7 **and 2016 RVOs.** 8 **Today, obligated parties may protest that EPA is** 9 **breaking the blend wall in 2016, but you need to** 10 **separate the signal from the noise. EPA's methodology** 11 **actually enables oil companies to stockpile** 12 **approximately 2 billion gallons of carryover RINs by** 13 **2016. So, in reality, your proposal continues to limit** 14 **ethanol blending to E10.** 15 **According to Bruce Babcock of Iowa State** 16 **University, because obligated parties control 80** 17 **percent of refined product terminals, they decide the** 18 **level of ethanol blending that will or will not occur.** 19 **And that's why Congress enacted the RFS.** 20 **Left to their own devices, oil companies won't** 21 **allow consumer access to E15 and flex fuels. Left to** 22 **their own devices, oil companies won't reduce the** Page 20

1 **carbon intensity of gasoline. They've earned the label** 2 **obligated parties based on their refusal to innovate.** 3 **Congress struck the phrase "distribution capacity"** 4 **from the final statute out of concern that oil** 5 **companies would exploit it to confine ethanol blending** 6 **at 10 percent. EPA is conflating the very broad** 7 **discretion you have under the cellulosic waiver** 8 **authority with the very narrow, clear, general waiver** 9 **provisions of the RFS, and legal precedent dictates** 10 **that when statutory language is clear, EPA must adhere** 11 **to the statute.** 12 **No matter how many times EPA says it, the** 13 **definition of inadequate domestic supply is not** 14 **ambiguous. It clearly refers to renewable fuel supply,** 15 **and with U.S. ethanol production capacity exceeding 15** 16 **billion gallons, supply is more than adequate.** 17 **The farmers and biofuel producers who are trying** 18 **to help EPA succeed with the RFS are mystified that** 19 **you're siding with oil companies who mock the** 20 **President's efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions** 21 **and take EPA to court every year you roll out new** 22 **blending targets. EPA cannot take a passive approach**

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1 **with parties whose ultimate goal is to repeal the** 2 **renewable fuel standard.** 3 **Doing so turns a program designed to promote** 4 **innovation and clean air into one that chokes** 5 **innovation and increases pollution.** 6 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify.** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Jennings. Mr.** 8 **Hogan?** 9 **MR. HOGAN: Good morning. I am Tim Hogan,** 10 **director of motor fuels at the American Fuel and** 11 **Petrochemical Manufacturers.** 12 **The statutory levels of renewable fuels are** 13 **unachievable for 2014 to 2016. EPA must preserve that** 14 **broad interpretation of its waiver authorities. EPA's** 15 **recognition of the ethanol blend wall and the potential** 16 **adverse effects on consumers is a welcome first step.** 17 **However, EPA's actions are short term in nature** 18 **and point to the need for Congress to address the** 19 **severely flawed and outdated renewable fuel standard.** 20 **The statutory quantities of ethanol to be consumed** 21 **exceed the technical limitations of many small engines** 22 **in service today. The majority of existing vehicles Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **and infrastructure cannot handle a gasoline supply** 2 **containing more than 10 percent ethanol, which leads to** 3 **what is referred to as the E10 blend wall.** 4 **The AFPM has proposed a 9.7 percent cap on ethanol** 5 **in gasoline because it is the minimum EPA action** 6 **necessary to retain a supply of pure gasoline for some** 7 **engines, account for historical differences between EPA** 8 **projections of gasoline demand and actual demand, and** 9 **promote liquidity in the renewable identification** 10 **number market.** 11 **EPA has the authority and the responsibility to** 12 **waive the RFS mandates to reflect market realities,** 13 **such as shrinking gasoline consumption, the lack of** 14 **drop-in biofuels, and the failure of E15 and E85 to** 15 **provide a home for ethanol.** 16 **To date, the advanced biofuel requirement has** 17 **functioned as a de facto mandate for hundreds of** 18 **millions of gallons of sugarcane ethanol imported from** 19 **Brazil. This is not what Congress intended. EPA** 20 **should consider only domestic supply when setting the** 21 **advanced biofuel and total renewable fuel volumes.** 22 **EPA needs to preserve carryover RINs, a crucial**

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1 **tool for industry and individual companies to deal with** 2 **uncertainties and challenges and to provide compliance** 3 **flexibility. EPA does not have the authority to** 4 **increase the stringency for biomass-based diesel for** 5 **2014 or 2016 or 2015.** 6 **Far too much lead time is required by the Clean** 7 **Air Act to set a different value for biomass-based** 8 **diesel. Therefore, the agency cannot promulgate a** 9 **volume for biomass-based diesel for 2014 or 2015 or** 10 **2016 that's higher than 1.28 billion gallons, the** 11 **regulatory value for 2013. The law is clear on this** 12 **point.** 13 **In relation to the cellulosic portion of the** 14 **mandate, EPA recognized the statutory levels simply do** 15 **not exist and has made a downward adjustment from what** 16 **the law says for 2010 to 2013 and has proposed to** 17 **continue these very large waivers for 2014 to 2016.** 18 **However, the agency proposed a cellulosic biofuel** 19 **requirement for 2016 that far exceeds a reasonable** 20 **projection of what can actually be produced. In** 21 **January 2013, the court told EPA to be reasonable and** 22 **not aspirational.** Page 24

1 **Thank you for this opportunity.** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Next speaker will be** 3 **Bob Henry from the American Soybean Association. Mr.** 4 **Henry?** 5 **MR. HENRY: Thank you.** 6 **Good morning. My name is Bob Henry, and I am a** 7 **soybean farmer from Robinson, Kansas.** 8 **ASA represents thousands of soybean farmers in 30** 9 **States. Soybean farmers are very proud of the leading** 10 **role they have played in establishing and developing** 11 **the U.S. biodiesel industry.** 12 **Biodiesel has grown to a point of producing well** 13 **over 1 billion gallons annually and now has the** 14 **capacity to produce over 3 billion gallons of domestic,** 15 **renewable, advanced biofuels. While biodiesel is now** 16 **made from diverse group of feedstocks, soybean oil** 17 **remains the largest source of biodiesel feedstock.** 18 **We are proud of the many benefits that biodiesel** 19 **provides, including a more diversified energy market,** 20 **increased domestic energy production, significant** 21 **reductions in greenhouse gas emissions resulting in** 22 **improved air quality, new jobs and economic**

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1 **development, particularly in rural America, and, of** 2 **course, expanding markets for soybean farmers. We are** 3 **also proud that biodiesel and the soybean industry has** 4 **always advocated for RFS volumes that are modest and** 5 **achievable.** 6 **We are glad that compared to last year's proposal,** 7 **which called for just 1.28 billion gallons for 2014 and** 8 **'15, EPA's new proposed rule increases volumes for** 9 **biomass-based diesel, starting at 1.63 gallons in 2016** 10 **and increasing to 1.9 billion in 2017. We see no** 11 **reason why EPA should not at a minimum support biomass** 12 **based diesel volumes of at least 2 billion gallons for** 13 **2016 and 2.3 billion gallons for 2017.** 14 **In addition to the benefits already mentioned, we** 15 **believe the following factors support our request for** 16 **higher volumes. Additional soybean oil will be** 17 **displaced from domestic food markets as a result of the** 18 **recent FDA determination requiring the elimination of** 19 **partially hydrogenated oil, which creates trans fats.** 20 **It is estimated that this will displace an additional 1** 21 **to 1.5 billion pounds of soybean oil from food use.** 22 **The biodiesel market provides an outlet for this Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **surplus soybean oil, which is a byproduct of soybean** 2 **production that is driven by the demand for soybean** 3 **meal for protein. Increasing the biomass-based diesel** 4 **volumes relative to the total advanced biofuels volumes** 5 **will promote the use of a biodiesel over imported** 6 **Brazilian sugarcane ethanol.** 7 **While EPA contends the statute does not** 8 **distinguish between domestic and imported renewable** 9 **fuels, we believe the intent of the program is clearly** 10 **to increase domestic energy production and promote U.S.** 11 **energy independence.** 12 **EPA should also increase the biomass-based diesel** 13 **volumes to account for the likelihood of increased** 14 **imports of biodiesel from Argentina. EPA's proposed** 15 **volumes for biomass-based diesel should account for** 16 **these increased imports from Argentina.** 17 **Thank you for the opportunity for providing these** 18 **comments today. The ASA, along with our biodiesel** 19 **industry partners, looks forward to working with EPA to** 20 **further improve the proposed rules and implementation** 21 **of a successful RFS program.** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Henry.**

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1 **Mr. Teske?** 2 **(Applause.)** 3 **MR. TESKE: Thank you. Donn Teske --** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Settle down.** 5 **(Laughter.)** 6 **MR. TESKE: Donn Teske. I'm a farmer stockman in** 7 **Pottawatomie County, Kansas, and I'm here representing** 8 **National Farmers Union and Kansas Farmers Union.** 9 **Thank you for the opportunity to submit testimony** 10 **regarding the renewable fuel standard proposed volume** 11 **targets. The NFU supports the volume targets set in a** 12 **bipartisan legislation that enacted the RFS and urges** 13 **the EPA to adjust the volume targets for the years in** 14 **question to match the statutes.** 15 **The NFU supports the RFS for several reasons,** 16 **including the much-needed reinvestment it drives in** 17 **rural America and the reduction in U.S. dependency on** 18 **foreign oil it facilitates. The RFS also carries** 19 **important environmental benefits, particularly in** 20 **regard to climate change. Producers across the U.S.** 21 **are already feeling the impact of increasing weather** 22 **volatility and disruption of water resources, whether** Page 28

1 **related to precipitation irregularities or loss of** 2 **river flow due to diminished snowpack.** 3 **Strong scientific consensus indicates that** 4 **climate-related challenges to agricultural production** 5 **will increase and that decisive action is needed to** 6 **reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases in order to** 7 **avoid the worst consequences of climate change.** 8 **Climate changes jeopardizes the ability of family** 9 **farmers to continue farming and the security of our** 10 **food supply. If the EPA implements the volume targets** 11 **embodied in the statutes, 138 million metric tons of** 12 **greenhouse gas emissions will be directly avoided,** 13 **equivalent to removing 27 million cars from the road.** 14 **The volume targets are also needed to drive** 15 **advances in advanced and cellulosic ethanol. It is** 16 **anticipated that producing biofuel from these** 17 **feedstocks will establish additional environmental** 18 **benefits.** 19 **Some of the possible feedstocks are perennial,** 20 **allowing producers to avoid emissions from tilling and** 21 **planting a field and encouraging the soil to store more** 22 **carbons. Some of the feedstocks also grow very well**

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1 **with limited water, reducing the need to deploy energy** 2 **for irrigation and freeing water for other uses where** 3 **resources are limited.** 4 **Oil companies have argued that there is** 5 **insufficient infrastructure to accommodate the volume** 6 **of biofuels mandated by Congress, allowing EPA to waive** 7 **some volume requirements. However, Congress did not** 8 **grant EPA the authority to waive volume requirements** 9 **under these circumstances. The statutes are** 10 **specifically designed to force oil companies to build** 11 **new infrastructure to accommodate increasing amounts of** 12 **biofuels, opening their monopolistic stranglehold on** 13 **transportation fuels and allowing consumers more** 14 **choice.** 15 **Family farmers and ranchers want to help address** 16 **climate change but need policy support to maximize** 17 **their contribution. Setting volume targets lower than** 18 **those called for in the bipartisan legislation that** 19 **enacted the RFS prevents farmers and rural communities** 20 **from participating in the climate change mitigation.** 21 **The NFU appreciates the EPA's work administering** 22 **the program and the benefits achieved through it to Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **date, but it is deeply disappointed by the proposed** 2 **rule and the clear message it sends to stop investment** 3 **and development in the biofuels industry.** 4 **Thank you very much.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Ms. Steckel?** 6 **MS. STECKEL: Good morning. I'm Anne Steckel,** 7 **with the National Biodiesel Board. We're the trade** 8 **association that represents the biodiesel and renewable** 9 **diesel industries.** 10 **I want to first start off by thanking you all, the** 11 **EPA staff, for your commitment to administering the** 12 **program and the hard work that you all did improving** 13 **the policy from the initial proposal that came out in** 14 **2013.** 15 **Now that the proposal is behind us, we intend to** 16 **work with you to further strengthen both the biomass** 17 **based diesel and the advanced biofuel program. Today,** 18 **you will hear from biodiesel and renewable diesel** 19 **supporters and stakeholders throughout the day on how** 20 **and why we can work together to provide and promote** 21 **advanced biofuels.** 22 **According to the EPA's own calculations, biodiesel**

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1 **reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 57 to 86 percent.** 2 **With today's feedstock usage ratio, we are averaging** 3 **approximately 80 percent greenhouse gas reductions when** 4 **compared to baseline diesel fuel.** 5 **This is an incredible reduction, particularly when** 6 **you consider that the transportation sector accounts** 7 **for more than a quarter of total U.S. greenhouse gas** 8 **emissions. In fact, a strong biodiesel growth under** 9 **the RFS can make a significant impact in helping us** 10 **reach the President's goals.** 11 **To meet these goals, we have to take a bold action** 12 **in the transportation sector, not just in electricity.** 13 **We have to end our dependence on petroleum. And** 14 **biodiesel is one of the most practical, cost-effective** 15 **fuels available today to do that.** 16 **To put that in better perspective, in the last 10** 17 **years, we have replaced petroleum diesel with 8.2** 18 **billion gallons of biodiesel and have cut 75.5 million** 19 **metric tons of carbon pollution, an equivalent of** 20 **removing 15.9 million cars from America's roadways.** 21 **Imagine what we can do with EPA's help over the next 10** 22 **years.** Page 32

1 **The remainder of my statement and our comments** 2 **will focus on 2016 and 2017. We believe this is where** 3 **the current proposal can be improved. You have** 4 **proposed 1.8 billion gallons and 1.9 billion gallons of** 5 **biomass-based diesel in those years.** 6 **While we believe our original request for 2.4** 7 **billion gallons and 2.7 billion gallons is reasonable** 8 **and achievable, we are now calling for a modest** 9 **increase of not less than 2 billion gallons in 2016 and** 10 **2.3 billion gallons in 2017. This is a modest increase** 11 **of 300 million gallons from your proposed volume of 1.7** 12 **billion gallons in 2015.** 13 **While the 300 million gallons means a great deal** 14 **to our industry, particularly our smaller producers,** 15 **that small increase is virtually undetectable by the** 16 **feedstock markets or the petroleum marketplace.** 17 **Specifically in response to your proposal, we believe** 18 **you have significantly underestimated the volume of** 19 **imports that are already making their way into the** 20 **U.S., and we will be sharing additional data over the** 21 **next few months to confirm that. Already we are seeing** 22 **an uptick in biodiesel imports from Argentina, and we**

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1 **expect that trend to strongly continue.** 2 **Thank you for your support today. I appreciate** 3 **your consideration and again urge you to revisit this** 4 **proposal and issue a final rule with additional growth.** 5 **Thank you.** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Cooper?** 7 **MR. COOPER: Well, thank you very much, and good** 8 **morning.** 9 **My name is Jeff Cooper. I'm speaking on behalf of** 10 **the Renewable Fuels Association today.** 11 **I think by any measure you choose, the RFS has** 12 **been a tremendous success, and we've already heard some** 13 **of the benefits of the RFS and proven track record of** 14 **the program to date. And because the program has** 15 **worked so well, we're extremely disappointed that EPA** 16 **is again proposing to slash the blending requirements** 17 **that were enacted by Congress for 2014 through 2016,** 18 **and you're going to hear a lot of that disappointment,** 19 **I think, from dozens of our member producers today.** 20 **We continue to believe that EPA is overstepping** 21 **the bounds of its legal authority by proposing to** 22 **partially waive the RFS, based on perceived Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **distribution capacity constraints. Nothing in the** 2 **statute allows EPA to set the RVOs based on the so** 3 **called blend wall or alleged infrastructure** 4 **limitations.** 5 **In fact, Congress did consider measures that would** 6 **have allowed waivers based on distribution** 7 **infrastructure, but they rightly rejected those** 8 **concepts because they knew allowing that type of off** 9 **ramp would entice the oil companies to hold the RFS** 10 **program hostage, as they are now doing.** 11 **Rather, Congress focused its waiver provisions** 12 **narrowly on the question of supply, and the law is** 13 **clear. If the supply is adequate to meet the statutory** 14 **volume requirements, then obligated parties must find a** 15 **way to distribute those volumes.** 16 **And when EPA considers the supply of renewable** 17 **fuel and whether it's adequate to meet statutory** 18 **requirements, stocks of RIN credits must be taken into** 19 **account. After all, RINs represent gallons of** 20 **renewable fuel that are produced and were or are part** 21 **of the physical fuel supply. RINs are gallons. And to** 22 **completely dismiss carryover RINs from the**

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1 **determination of available supply seems illogical to** 2 **us, and doing so will cause RIN stocks to balloon and** 3 **RIN prices to crash.** 4 **Because EPA is ignoring carryover RINs, the** 5 **proposed RVOs, even in 2016, do nothing to break the** 6 **blend wall. In fact, oil companies don't have to** 7 **change anything they're doing as a result of this** 8 **proposal. Oil companies could very easily meet their** 9 **2015 obligations simply by blending E10 and their 2016** 10 **obligations by blending E10 and turning in a handful of** 11 **surplus RINs, which will be in ample supply.** 12 **The U.S. ethanol industry is on pace to produce** 13 **nearly 15 billion gallons in 2015. And when carryover** 14 **RINs are properly taken into account, there is no doubt** 15 **that the supply is more than adequate to meet the** 16 **statutory RFS volumes for renewable fuel. And in fact,** 17 **yesterday's DOE data showed that the industry is** 18 **operating at a rate of 15.3 billion gallons annually.** 19 **Finally, I want to point out a critical error that** 20 **we've discovered regarding the proposed 2014 RVO that** 21 **we believe needs to be corrected immediately. EPA has** 22 **mistakenly assumed that RINs were generated on every** Page 36

1 **gallon of exported ethanol and, thus, that those RINs** 2 **will be retired and unavailable for compliance.** 3 **But in reality, nearly half of the ethanol** 4 **exported in 2014 never generated a RIN, and thus, EPA** 5 **is underestimating the number of RINs available for** 6 **compliance by nearly 400 million RINs. We think this** 7 **is a significant mistake that will artificially inflate** 8 **RIN stocks and undermine the RINs' ability to drive** 9 **investment and innovation.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you.** 11 **MR. COOPER: Thank you.** 12 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Cooper.** 13 **Thank you, Panel 1. I'd like to now invite Panel** 14 **3 up to the stage, and if I could ask the Panel 5** 15 **members to move to the staging area along the wall?** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **(Pause.)** 18 **MR. GRUNDLER: Welcome, Panel 3. Mr. Engelbrecht,** 19 **you may lead us off.** 20 **MR. ENGELBRECHT: Thank you very much.** 21 **Kent Engelbrecht, biodiesel trade manager for ADM.** 22 **I want to thank you for the opportunity to discuss the**

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1 **EPA's RVO proposal and its impact on the future of** 2 **American biodiesel.** 3 **Archer Daniels Midland Company has been producing** 4 **biodiesel in the U.S. since 2006. Today, we market** 5 **more than 250 million gallons every year, produced from** 6 **a wide variety of feedstocks, including soy and canola,** 7 **at four plants here in the United States. These plants** 8 **support nearly 1,000 jobs and have created stability** 9 **and opportunity for countless American farmers.** 10 **While EPA's proposal is a significant improvement** 11 **over the previous one, there remains substantial room** 12 **for improvement, particularly for 2016 and 2017. For** 13 **example, renewable diesel and biodiesel are providing** 14 **26.5 percent of California's fuel carbon reductions.** 15 **Projections from California's Air Resource Board** 16 **estimate that the U.S. will have the capacity to** 17 **produce 3.5 billion gallons of renewable diesel and** 18 **biodiesel annually by 2020.** 19 **However, EPA's proposal falls significantly short** 20 **of these volumes. EPA has stated that its intent is to** 21 **allow biomass-based diesel to have the ability to** 22 **compete to fulfill a portion of nested D5 RIN volumes. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **However, since this proposal was released, it has** 2 **become apparent that the significant gap between D6 and** 3 **D5 RIN prices, coupled with limited biodiesel and** 4 **conventional targets, will cap U.S. ethanol and** 5 **biodiesel in favor of Brazilian sugarcane ethanol to** 6 **fill the total advanced standard.** 7 **We are also concerned that EPA's RVO proposal for** 8 **biodiesel does not take into account the projected** 9 **imports from Argentina following EPA's approval earlier** 10 **this year of the CARBIO survey method. We have already** 11 **seen increased import volumes, and with Argentina's** 12 **differential export tax in place, U.S. producers have** 13 **been put at a competitive disadvantage.** 14 **In fact, inbound vessels of Argentine biodiesel** 15 **that have been booked but not yet delivered to the** 16 **United States constitute 50 percent of all Argentine** 17 **shipments to the U.S. year to date. In other words, in** 18 **the near future, we'll see a doubling of import volumes** 19 **of Argentine biodiesel when compared to the volume of** 20 **imports from January through May.** 21 **We support the National Biodiesel Board's** 22 **recommendations to accommodate a growing industry while**

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1 **encouraging demand to further support investment. The** 2 **NBB originally urged the EPA to set volumes at 2.4** 3 **billion gallons for 2016 and 2.7 billion gallons for** 4 **2017. We now request that this standard be set at** 5 **least 2 billion gallons for 2016 and 2.3 billion for** 6 **2017, levels that we believe are realistic, achievable,** 7 **and reflective of the underlying legislation.** 8 **Like most industries, American biodiesel requires** 9 **certainty in order to plan for production and** 10 **utilization. We believe the market can get back on** 11 **track, but it needs a clear signal from the EPA that it** 12 **can count on a reliable, consistently growing RFS.** 13 **We look forward to the opportunity to work with** 14 **the EPA and the administration to help construct a** 15 **strong RFS and preserve America's commitment to** 16 **biofuels.** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Willis** 18 **from ADM.** 19 **MR. WILLIS: Thank you.** 20 **Hi, I'm Craig Willis, president of the ethanol** 21 **group at ADM.** 22 **Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear** Page 40

1 **on behalf of Archer Daniels Midland Company to discuss** 2 **EPA's RVOs proposal and its potential impact on** 3 **American ethanol. ADM has been producing ethanol since** 4 **1979. Today, we manufacture and market more than 1.7** 5 **billion gallons of corn-based ethanol at 6 plants here** 6 **in the United States. These plants support more than** 7 **2,600 jobs.** 8 **This proposal is an improvement over the one EPA** 9 **released in late '13, but it nevertheless falls short** 10 **of the targets set by Congress, and the methodology** 11 **remains troubling. That methodology sets volume** 12 **obligations based upon current infrastructure instead** 13 **of the industry's actual production capacity and** 14 **rewards the pattern of underinvestment by the obligated** 15 **parties and undermines what today is an American** 16 **success story.** 17 **EPA's proposal asserts that RIN prices are likely** 18 **to be higher than at historical levels, which is an** 19 **expected market response to an increased renewable fuel** 20 **mandate that is pushing volumes beyond the so-called** 21 **blend wall. However, the market response to the** 22 **proposal has been the exact opposite, a strong**

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1 **indicator that the volumes proposed, when coupled with** 2 **the significant RIN carryover supply, will not, in** 3 **effect, exceed a 10 percent national blending** 4 **threshold. This is confirmed by the DOE's recent 2016** 5 **forecast.** 6 **In earlier testimony, we mentioned the wide RIN** 7 **gap and RIN prices and its impact on the market,** 8 **particularly relating to advantages that Brazilian** 9 **imports -- or excuse me, to advantages for Brazilian** 10 **imports. Brazil, seeking to capture this benefit, just** 11 **raised their import tariff and expects to raise several** 12 **billion additional dollars.** 13 **It's equally important to add the GHG-related** 14 **impacts are doubled by transporting ethanol from Brazil** 15 **to the U.S. and backfilling the volume with U.S.** 16 **ethanol.** 17 **Our industry has been working on private sector** 18 **solutions to the blend wall. ADM is a founding member** 19 **of the Prime the Pump Fund, a biofuel industry** 20 **organization that works to expand E15 infrastructure** 21 **and availability through grants to interested** 22 **retailers. Prime the Pump has raised and committed Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **more than $30 million in the last year to expand E15** 2 **and E85 use to high-volume, multiple location chains** 3 **like Sheetz, Kum & Go, and Murphy, to name a few.** 4 **While we have made progress, I can tell you the** 5 **two biggest impediments to expansion of higher blends** 6 **are directly under EPA's control, the granting of the** 7 **1-pound RVP waiver for E15 and RVO levels. Blending** 8 **economics should provide sufficient incentive to** 9 **deliver biofuels to the market in growing volumes, but** 10 **the 1-pound waiver and an uncertain and decreased RVO** 11 **have obstructed it.** 12 **We believe the EPA has an opportunity to get the** 13 **market back on track and realize the goals the RFS was** 14 **created to attain. We look forward to the opportunity** 15 **to work with EPA and the administration to continue to** 16 **strengthen American biofuels.** 17 **Thank you.** 18 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much.** 19 **Next we have Mr. Grant Kimberley from the Iowa** 20 **Biodiesel Board.** 21 **MR. KIMBERLEY: Good morning. Good morning. I'm** 22 **Grant Kimberley, with the Iowa Biodiesel Board and also**

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1 **the Iowa Soybean Association. I'm also a farmer who** 2 **farms with my family east of Des Moines.** 3 **In these roles, I represent the entire Iowa** 4 **biodiesel value chain, from the farmers who grow** 5 **soybean to biodiesel manufacturers, petroleum** 6 **marketers, and other industry stakeholders. First and** 7 **foremost, I'm also someone who believes in the power of** 8 **biodiesel and its positive impact on my local, State,** 9 **and national economy and environment.** 10 **EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy visited my farm in** 11 **2009, and we discussed how intertwined agriculture and** 12 **energy are and how they benefit Iowa's and the nation's** 13 **economy. Agriculture accounts for more than a third of** 14 **Iowa's economic output. One in five Iowans is employed** 15 **in agriculture biofuel-related industry.** 16 **Clearly, any action that supports farming and** 17 **agriculture and promotes growth in this industry is** 18 **good for Iowa and our nation. The RFS is one such** 19 **example.** 20 **Iowa is the nation's top biodiesel producer,** 21 **supporting more than 7,100 jobs, and adds $520 million** 22 **of GDP to the State's economy. There are 12 plants in** Page 44

1 **Iowa that can produce more than 315 million gallons.** 2 **However, last year, they produced just 227 million** 3 **because of RFS uncertainty.** 4 **The Iowa Soybean Association also works on behalf** 5 **of 40,000 farmers who produce around 500 million** 6 **bushels of soybeans annually. Continued and consistent** 7 **demand for this product is essential for market** 8 **security.** 9 **When we diversify farm income by allowing farmers** 10 **to play a role in energy production, it benefits food** 11 **security. The rise of biofuels means greater food** 12 **security. Farmers are efficient and innovative and** 13 **will always rise to meet market demands.** 14 **Biodiesel takes support of the ag economy one step** 15 **further by creating greater value for a byproduct of** 16 **the soybean meal. By creating demand for soybean oil** 17 **that would otherwise be underutilized, biodiesel** 18 **decreases the price of soybean meal, a win-win for** 19 **farmers who grow soybeans and feed meal to livestock.** 20 **A growing global population demands more protein.** 21 **Biodiesel supports that demand. Demand for biodiesel** 22 **increases the soybean crush, thus making meal more**

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1 **plentiful and less expensive. It also creates** 2 **additional demand for animal fats, also benefitting** 3 **livestock producers.** 4 **Also, the recent FDA decision to ban trans fats** 5 **will create a glut of 1.5 billion pounds of soybean** 6 **oil. Biodiesel provides that timely market for this** 7 **oil. We need to ensure that the biodiesel industry has** 8 **room to use it by setting the biodiesel RFS target** 9 **higher.** 10 **In closing, please be mindful that the actions of** 11 **the EPA in this case also impact the Federal ag budget.** 12 **If farmers realize higher soybean prices due to** 13 **increased demand of feedstuffs and biodiesel, the USDA** 14 **could save billions of dollars that would otherwise be** 15 **paid out in farm programs. If target volumes for** 16 **biodiesel are increased in the RFS, soybean prices** 17 **could stabilize above break-even and save on farm** 18 **programs.** 19 **Your decision on this matter has broad** 20 **implications. I ask that you set a final rule that is** 21 **closer to the industry's initial request of 2.4 billion** 22 **gallons for 2016 and 2.7 billion gallons for 2017. We Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **are more than capable of achieving and using these** 2 **volumes.** 3 **Thank you for the opportunity to speak. The IBB** 4 **and ISA look forward to working the EPA to improve the** 5 **proposed rule and implementation of a successful RFS** 6 **program.** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Marr?** 8 **MR. MARR: Thank you.** 9 **I'm Ron Marr with the Minnesota Soybean** 10 **Processors. We're located in the little Minnesota town** 11 **of Brewster in southwest Minnesota.** 12 **We're owned by about 2,500 local investors. We** 13 **were formed under a Minnesota jobs creation law. We** 14 **employ about 85, who enjoy fully benefited jobs. These** 15 **are fairly rare in rural Minnesota and, thus, are** 16 **highly sought and fairly well-paid jobs.** 17 **We process about 110,000 bushels of soybeans a day** 18 **into soybean meal protein for animals and nonfood** 19 **soybean oil. About one half of our soybean oil is then** 20 **refined into biodiesel. The balance of the soybean** 21 **oil, which we call our market millstone, is either** 22 **stored or dumped into the marketplace, which we find**

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1 **less demand for because of trans fats.** 2 **While EPA's proposed volumes are appreciated, they** 3 **are by no means spectacular. Absent clear market** 4 **signals, our company had no appetite to increase its** 5 **biodiesel refining to consume all of our soybean oil** 6 **production, which is essentially like leaving 30** 7 **million gallons of domestically refined biodiesel on** 8 **the table.** 9 **Long-contemplated refining expansion to consume** 10 **all of our soybean oil production, largely dependent on** 11 **the signals given through EPA rulemaking, if completed** 12 **would consume about one third of EPA's proposed 100** 13 **million gallon increase, about another 30 million** 14 **gallons we'd be able to produce.** 15 **We're also considering expansion of our existing** 16 **soybean meal processing plant to satisfy export demand** 17 **for animal soybean protein. An expansion of our plant** 18 **would result in about a third more soybean oil** 19 **available for biodiesel refining, another 10 to 15** 20 **million gallons of biodiesel per year.** 21 **If completed, and that's a big "if" depending upon** 22 **final rule, these two Minnesota soy expansions alone** Page 48

1 **could result in up to 45 million gallons of new** 2 **biodiesel production available for the domestic market.** 3 **That's about one half of your proposed 100 million** 4 **gallon increase in our RVO.** 5 **Our message to EPA is simple and clear. The** 6 **biodiesel industry has, can, and will deliver on the** 7 **goals of the RFS, particularly for advanced biofuels.** 8 **We're poised to expand our production and continue** 9 **building our industry and employment with the right** 10 **public policy solution. But we are much stronger --** 11 **but we need much stronger biodiesel and advanced** 12 **biofuel volumes in the final rule to make that happen.** 13 **Finally, we really appreciate having this hearing** 14 **in the Midwest. It's much easier for many of us to** 15 **attend.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Next we have Mr.** 18 **Gary Haer.** 19 **MR. HAER: Thank you.** 20 **Good morning. I am Gary Haer, vice president of** 21 **sales and marketing for Renewable Energy Group, the** 22 **nation's largest biodiesel producer and marketer. I'm**

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1 **also immediate past chairman of the National Biodiesel** 2 **Board and still serve on the National Biodiesel Board's** 3 **governing body.** 4 **On behalf of REG, I want to thank EPA for the work** 5 **that you have put into this multiyear RVO proposal.** 6 **Biomass-based diesel is not just proof that the RFS is** 7 **working, it is a shining example of just how good** 8 **public policy can and should work, creating jobs and** 9 **economic growth while also protecting our environment** 10 **and enhancing energy security.** 11 **REG takes great pride in achieving the policy** 12 **goals of the RFS not just by being the leading producer** 13 **of advanced biofuels, but also in our lower-cost,** 14 **lower-carbon feedstock model and the additional** 15 **environmental benefits that that provides. Over the** 16 **last 2 years, 84 percent of REG's produced fuel came** 17 **from waste fats, oils, and greases.** 18 **For more than 500 million gallons that we have** 19 **produced between 2013 and 2014, the average REG** 20 **biodiesel gallon has reduced lifecycle greenhouse gas** 21 **emissions by more than 80 percent, compared to** 22 **petroleum diesel. I'd like to restate that. More than Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **500 million gallons produced with 80 percent less** 2 **greenhouse gas emissions than petroleum diesel fuel.** 3 **However, there's more that we can do. In fact, we** 4 **already are. The figures I just gave you were before** 5 **multi-feedstock upgrades at three of our plants had a** 6 **chance to run a full year. They also include about 1** 7 **month of full production from the 75 million gallon** 8 **renewable hydrocarbon diesel biorefinery in Louisiana** 9 **REG acquired last year.** 10 **We also have four partially completed multi** 11 **feedstock biorefineries with a total nameplate capacity** 12 **of 150 million gallons. So there is more production** 13 **capability that can be brought into the market.** 14 **As we've grown the capacity of lower-cost, lower** 15 **carbon biofuels, we've also reduced the cost of** 16 **production, and this is very significant. Just a few** 17 **years ago, feedstock and chemical costs accounted for** 18 **80 percent of our total production cost.** 19 **Through continuous process and quality** 20 **improvements, feedstocks and chemicals are now just 90** 21 **percent of our production cost, meaning we have reduced** 22 **our fixed and variable production cost by 50 percent.**

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1 **Combine that with our lower-cost feedstock model and** 2 **you have a cheaper, high-quality advanced biofuel that** 3 **is truly price competitive.** 4 **I'd like to touch briefly on infrastructure. In** 5 **2014, REG sold biomass-based diesel and co-products in** 6 **47 States, 5 Canadian provinces, and 4 states in** 7 **Mexico. We have 25 terminal locations in addition to** 8 **our 10 manufacturing plants, and our major customers** 9 **are petroleum refiners, wholesalers, and travel** 10 **centers, which provide biofuel blends to heavy duty** 11 **fleets and other distillate customers.** 12 **In fact, the two major travel centers in the U.S.** 13 **have more than 500 locations combined across the** 14 **country where they provide blends of up to B20. And** 15 **with a number of State incentives for blends of B5 to** 16 **B11 and higher, we see more infrastructure growth** 17 **ahead.** 18 **We will provide much more data in our formal** 19 **written comments, but let me conclude by saying the** 20 **biomass-based diesel industry has proven itself time** 21 **and time again, and we truly appreciate the growth** 22 **curve you've given us in this proposal. We just ask** Page 52

1 **that you let our performance prove that the volumes for** 2 **'16 and 2017 can be further increased.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Haer.** 5 **Next we have Mr. Phil Abels, and I'm assuming that** 6 **you yielded part of your time to your colleague from** 7 **REG?** 8 **MR. ABELS: I will try. Good morning. I'm Phil** 9 **Abels, plant manager of the Renewable Energy Group's 30** 10 **million gallon biorefinery in Newton, Iowa, and have** 11 **been with REG since 2006.** 12 **Newton is a town of about 15,000 residents.** 13 **That's less than it used to be. Newton was the home of** 14 **Maytag, which employed almost 4,000 people. But when** 15 **Maytag was bought by Whirlpool in 2007, that all ended,** 16 **and 1,800 people lost their livelihoods.** 17 **What does that have to do with the proposed rule** 18 **we are all here talking about today? It's simple.** 19 **Jobs and community.** 20 **Newton is rebuilding, thanks to companies like** 21 **REG, and it's not just Newton. Danville, Illinois,** 22 **where we have a 45 million gallon biorefinery, was also**

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1 **devastated when major employers closed in the 1990s.** 2 **These are communities that value every job and** 3 **make the most of these dollars that the jobs put in** 4 **local coffers. I manage 25 full-time employees at REG** 5 **Newton. REG as a whole has grown from just a handful** 6 **of employees in the basement of a west central** 7 **cooperative in 1996 to 539 employees across the country** 8 **today, and we do not have one minimum wage job in the** 9 **whole company.** 10 **But much larger than that is the number of jobs** 11 **our company and, on a larger scale, our industry** 12 **supports. In 2014, REG purchased feedstocks from 132** 13 **companies across the country. We utilize 69 trucking** 14 **firms to haul 41,146 truckloads of feedstock, fuel, and** 15 **co-products between 37 States.** 16 **We engaged 32 different railway and railcar** 17 **companies to ship 4,852 railcar loads up to 33 States** 18 **and provinces in North America. And we also ship 17** 19 **barges, touching 5 States.** 20 **Additionally last year, REG invested $15.8 million** 21 **to expand the feedstock capability and capacity of the** 22 **Newton plant while also further improving the high- Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **quality fuel we produce there. This project supported** 2 **70 construction jobs and several others. REG also** 3 **invested $20 million for a multi-feedstock upgrade for** 4 **our Mason City, Iowa, biorefinery that supported** 5 **another 70 to 80 jobs.** 6 **I must also mention the $20 million REG invested** 7 **in 2012 and 2013 for upgrading our Albert Lea,** 8 **Minnesota, plant. In addition to providing enhanced** 9 **environmental benefits, these upgrades make plants more** 10 **viable, efficient for the future, with lower cost and** 11 **better job security. All these numbers will improve** 12 **under the new proposal and grow even more with larger** 13 **increases of the 2016 and 2017 biomass-based diesel** 14 **RVOs.** 15 **In closing, I just want to say again how much** 16 **these jobs mean to places like Newton. I implore you** 17 **to look at what biomass-based diesel means for rural** 18 **communities across the country, the other industries,** 19 **and thousands upon thousands of working families that** 20 **have benefited from it. Not only are they breathing** 21 **cleaner air, they are breathing easier knowing their** 22 **jobs are more secure.**

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1 **Thank you.** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 3,** 3 **for your testimony today.** 4 **I'd like to invite Panel 5 to the table. Welcome.** 5 **If Panel 7 members could make their way to the** 6 **staging area, I'd be grateful.** 7 **Welcome, Panel 5. Up first will be Bob Hemesath.** 8 **MR. HEMESATH: Thank you.** 9 **My name is Bob Hemesath. I'm a fourth-generation** 10 **farmer from Decorah, Iowa. I farm with my brother and** 11 **nephew and my dad.** 12 **We raise corn and have a wean-to-finish hog** 13 **operation. We raise 2,200 acres of corn and 20,000** 14 **hogs a year. I currently serve as vice president of** 15 **the Iowa Corn Growers Association.** 16 **Our family corn and hog operation have been** 17 **positively impacted by ethanol and dried distillers** 18 **grains. I've been fortunate to have not only more, but** 19 **better markets for our corn since ethanol plants were** 20 **built.** 21 **Our local corn base has improved because of the** 22 **ethanol plants and their need for corn all year long.** Page 56

1 **Our hog operation utilizes dried distillers grains in** 2 **our feed, as it is a great and economical protein** 3 **source and has shown proven performance to improve our** 4 **hogs' growth. We have also seen the growth of cattle** 5 **feeding in our area, and it is mostly contributed to** 6 **the availability of dried distillers grains produced by** 7 **area plants.** 8 **The impact of corn demand that ethanol has helped** 9 **create has made our operation more sustainable. We've** 10 **been able to utilize technology in seeds and equipment** 11 **to put fertilizer chemicals and manure from our hog** 12 **operation in the right place at the right rate. We've** 13 **been able to try new conservation practices and tools** 14 **to reduce soil erosion and nutrient loss.** 15 **Iowa corn farmers have invested our checkoff** 16 **dollars to expand access to higher blends of ethanol,** 17 **E85, and blender pumps and fuel stations to provide a** 18 **clean and more economical choice of fuel. We have** 19 **invested significant resources in this work and will** 20 **continue to do so in the future to promote consumer** 21 **choice at the pump.** 22 **In addition, the State of Iowa has made a**

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1 **significant investment through the Renewable Fuels** 2 **Infrastructure Program. This fund has allowed** 3 **retailers to share -- to cost-share pumps to the tune** 4 **of $3 million per year. We are doing our part on the** 5 **infrastructure side of things, and we need EPA to** 6 **recognize that and reflect that in the methodology.** 7 **Corn farmers are doing our job to produce more** 8 **than enough corn to meet all issues. We have nearly a** 9 **2 billion bushel carryout this year, and while I know** 10 **we've had some other challenges in parts of the** 11 **Midwest, particularly with the soybean planting, the** 12 **2015 corn crop looks to be in very good shape.** 13 **With current market conditions, we are working** 14 **with negative margins, as the abundance of corn has** 15 **driven the corn market to prices half of what they were** 16 **a couple of years ago. It is imperative that the EPA** 17 **restore the RVO numbers to the statutory amounts and** 18 **maintain a strong, statutorily sound methodology.** 19 **Thank you for the opportunity and the time to** 20 **allow me to speak.** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Mohr, proceed.** 22 **MR. MOHR: Good morning. My name is Jerry Mohr, Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **and I happen to be the current president of the Iowa** 2 **Corn Growers Association, 8,000 families that are** 3 **financially being threatened by this recent decision by** 4 **the EPA.** 5 **My wife and I, this is our 42nd year of farming** 6 **and my 42nd corn crop that I've planted. I'm a fourth** 7 **generation farmer, and my wife and partner and I will** 8 **celebrate 38 years of wedded bliss, the gift of three** 9 **children, and now two grandchildren.** 10 **We are no-till and minimum-till farmers. We raise** 11 **corn, soybeans, and also alfalfa hay. We also grow** 12 **seed corn. We use cover crops. On almost all the --** 13 **half the acres we plant, our plant nutrients are** 14 **applied in the spring right before we plant the crop.** 15 **Our farms are grid sampled, which means we take a** 16 **soil sample every 2 acres. And when we apply our** 17 **fertilizer, that machine that spreads it reads that** 18 **information and puts out only what we need to put out.** 19 **We grow food plots for our feathered friends, and** 20 **we have red clover and milkweed for our butterflies and** 21 **our pollinator friends. We consider ourselves to be** 22 **great stewards of our family farms, and we hope the**

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1 **next generation who operates these farms will do so** 2 **with the same culture that we have created for four** 3 **generations.** 4 **In 1973, I first became acquainted with the supply** 5 **and demand of gasoline when OPEC had their first oil** 6 **embargo. We had long gas lines, and high prices** 7 **disrupted commerce in this country for weeks at end.** 8 **And about that time, we were trying to import our** 9 **energy needs from countries who wanted to deliver oil** 10 **to our ports cheaper and easier than we could discover** 11 **it here.** 12 **OPEC was formed in 1960. They hooked us on cheap** 13 **oil, and we've let ourselves be lulled to sleep by** 14 **imports.** 15 **Also about that time, a group of entrepreneurial** 16 **farmers knew that they could take excess crops and** 17 **produce alcohol. Little did they know that the early** 18 **'70s -- in the early '70s the dark days ahead of** 19 **agriculture, and they had no idea how maybe their plan** 20 **would have averted the ag depression of the 1980s.** 21 **We were told at that time to plant fence row to** 22 **fence row. Exports at that time were being robust.** Page 60

1 **The former Soviet Union was becoming a key buyer of our** 2 **products until we again became a pawn of foreign policy** 3 **and James Earl Carter, our President, announced a grain** 4 **embargo January 4, 1981.** 5 **Seventeen million tons of grain that were ordered** 6 **to be sent to the Soviet Union, we committed to send,** 7 **were not delivered. President Carter, in order to ease** 8 **the impact to the American farmer, will remove the** 9 **grain from the market through storage and price support** 10 **systems and, at that time, production of gasohol.** 11 **This was a stepping off point for agriculture and** 12 **the depression in the 1980s. The Federal Government** 13 **paid us to store crops for years on end. We were told** 14 **to set aside and not to plant crops on our farms, and** 15 **they would pay us for that.** 16 **Corn prices became so cheap that the livestock** 17 **industry also suffered by overproduction. We were** 18 **dealing with 21 percent interest rates and addiction to** 19 **Government storage payments. We dumped millions of** 20 **bushels of corn on the world market, literally driving** 21 **all other countries out of raising corn crops.** 22 **OPEC was continuing to tighten their grip on the**

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1 **American consumer. We experienced major droughts in** 2 **the corn belt in '83 and 1988. These two droughts were** 3 **devastating to the ag economy. We lost millions of** 4 **families and a whole younger generation to the farming** 5 **depression. That also got rid of the excess crops at** 6 **the time.** 7 **Freedom to Farm was started in 1996, and that soon** 8 **went -- though that train went off the tracks, costing** 9 **the Federal Government more than $170 billion. It was** 10 **middle-class welfare, and we had Fortune 500 companies** 11 **receiving payments. It was a public relations train** 12 **wreck.** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Mohr, could you please wrap it** 14 **up?** 15 **MR. MOHR: I will. Our days of Government** 16 **payments were almost over with the enactment of the RFS** 17 **in 2005 and in 2007. We need access to the market.** 18 **The blenders credit was supposed to deliver the** 19 **infrastructure.** 20 **Our goal is a clean-burning renewable fuel, and** 21 **that's why E15 needs the 1-pound waiver.** 22 **I thank you for your time, and Iowa Corn looks Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **forward to working with the EPA on this.** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Mohr. Mr. Zylstra,** 3 **please proceed.** 4 **MR. ZYLSTRA: I am Roger Zylstra. I'm a grain and** 5 **hog farmer from central Iowa and the current chairman** 6 **of the Iowa Corn Growers Association.** 7 **On behalf of the thousands of farmer members in** 8 **the association, I thank you for the opportunity to be** 9 **here today, but it is also on their behalf that it is** 10 **critical that I speak against the Environmental** 11 **Protection Agency's proposal to reduce ethanol use** 12 **below the original statutory RFS volumes.** 13 **So you might be asking what kind of effect will** 14 **this proposed reduction have on me personally? With** 15 **corn prices again well below the cost of production, my** 16 **son, who started his farming career with me 2 years** 17 **ago, will have as difficult a time as I did when I** 18 **started in 1980. For years, no one wanted to come back** 19 **to farming, and we encouraged our kids to leave our** 20 **rural communities for better jobs and opportunities.** 21 **Just as some opportunities for agricultural** 22 **careers began to open, the door has now been slammed**

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1 **shut with the proposal to lower the amount of ethanol** 2 **used in our fuel in our country. By not following the** 3 **original RFS requirements, you are allowing the** 4 **petroleum industry to continue its stranglehold on the** 5 **fuel system in our country.** 6 **This is serious, as serious as anything I've dealt** 7 **with in my 35 years farming. As a corn farmer, I see** 8 **the ethanol market as a homegrown, value-added** 9 **opportunity. As a hog feeder, I see the high-quality** 10 **feed from ethanol production.** 11 **It is a delicate balance today, and just one** 12 **slight change can produce a domino effect that quickly** 13 **brings down our rural economy, as we are currently** 14 **witnessing. Just today, it was announced that Kinze** 15 **Manufacturing in Iowa is reducing its workforce by 215** 16 **people.** 17 **This isn't just a corn issue. It is much larger** 18 **than that. When farmers are squeezed, they aren't able** 19 **to spend their money. The result is town square** 20 **businesses close down, and soon communities are** 21 **struggling to keep people in town and students in** 22 **schools.** Page 64

1 **Please help my family keep our commitment to** 2 **cleaner air and water and a future for our communities** 3 **by maintaining the RFS as it was originally passed into** 4 **law.** 5 **Thank you.** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Bruce Rohwer is** 7 **next.** 8 **MR. ROHWER: I am Bruce Rohwer, farmer from** 9 **Paullina, Iowa, past chairman of the Iowa Corn Growers** 10 **Association.** 11 **I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman and the EPA** 12 **officials here today, for this opportunity to speak to** 13 **this critical issue.** 14 **America's farmers are an aging workforce. As** 15 **such, we need to be economically able to bring in the** 16 **next generation to farming. As we attempt to bring in** 17 **the next generation of ethanol, the situation is** 18 **similar. And to a certain extent, the two go hand-in** 19 **hand.** 20 **The recession of 2008 caused the value of the** 21 **dollar to go near record lows. This enhanced export** 22 **sales and increased the price of corn. The drought of**

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1 **2012 reduced the carryover of corn supply, which pushed** 2 **prices to record highs.** 3 **During these periods of high prices, there was** 4 **more than enough corn to produce enough ethanol to meet** 5 **the prescribed levels of the RFS, as well as to meet** 6 **other demand channels. The annual increase in the RVO** 7 **has been met by the annual increase in the yield of our** 8 **corn crop.** 9 **Even though the corn price has been historically** 10 **high, the RVO has been met with few exceptions during** 11 **this time. Corn ethanol has been available to** 12 **customers at a lower price compared to petroleum-based** 13 **fuels.** 14 **Over the past few years, the demand and higher** 15 **price of corn has enabled a generous amount of economic** 16 **activity on the part of U.S. farmers at a time that** 17 **such activity was sorely needed in the U.S. economy.** 18 **But demand for corn has been receding, starting with** 19 **the drought in 2010 in the western parts of the** 20 **country, which drastically reduced the beef cow herd.** 21 **Last year, the spread of PED virus in the swine** 22 **herd reduced corn consumption by hogs. This year, Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **avian flu has killed millions of turkeys and chickens,** 2 **causing another blow to corn consumption. Exports** 3 **continue to be unrestrained as the dollar exhibits** 4 **strength against other currencies.** 5 **The proposal to reduce the RVO for corn ethanol** 6 **below statutory levels merely compounds that reduction** 7 **in corn demand. We are in a situation where every** 8 **reduction of demand adds to the oversupply and** 9 **uncertainty. The proposal -- proposed reduction of the** 10 **RVO is not necessary, as there is no shortage of corn** 11 **ethanol, and the rise in corn prices was not an undue** 12 **burden to the economy.** 13 **Maintaining the inclusion rates of corn ethanol in** 14 **the nation's fuel supply, as required by the RFS, will** 15 **ensure a stable market for ethanol that will facilitate** 16 **further development of the advanced biofuels like** 17 **cellulosic ethanol. That is the next generation of** 18 **ethanol production, which needs a sound economic** 19 **environment in which to flourish.** 20 **The advanced biofuels, in actuality, is no** 21 **different than the next generation of farmers that are** 22 **attempting to take their place in agriculture. Both**

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1 **young farmers and new types of ethanol need a sound** 2 **economic platform from which they can arise.** 3 **Therefore, do not create a rule that will impede the** 4 **next generation from taking their rightful place,** 5 **whether that's the next-gen type of ethanol or the next** 6 **generation of farmer.** 7 **Thank you for your consideration of my comments.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Bowling, welcome.** 9 **MR. BOWLING: Good morning. Good morning. My** 10 **name is Chip Bowling. I'm a third-generation farmer** 11 **operating a 1,400 acre grain farm, growing corn,** 12 **soybeans, wheat, barley, and grain sorghum only an** 13 **hour's drive south of our nation's capital in Newburg,** 14 **Maryland.** 15 **As someone who farms along the Chesapeake Bay, I** 16 **know the importance of farming with high environmental** 17 **standards, and I'm proud of the work we've done back** 18 **home. I'm also proud to serve as president of the** 19 **National Corn Growers Association, a national trade** 20 **association that represents 42,000 dues-paying corn** 21 **growers and the interests of more than 300,000 farmers** 22 **who contribute to corn checkoff programs in their** Page 68

1 **States.** 2 **The NCG's mission is simple. Create and increase** 3 **the opportunities for corn growers, and that's what we** 4 **did when we helped create the RFS.** 5 **Of paramount importance to us right now is** 6 **building demand for corn at a time when we're seeing** 7 **record corn production. The drought of 2012, when corn** 8 **production dropped by nearly 4 billion bushels and corn** 9 **prices shot up, is a thing of the past. Back-to-back** 10 **record crops in 2013 and 2014 have helped us refill our** 11 **bins, but that came at a cost with the price of corn** 12 **right now below the cost of production.** 13 **Put simply, our farmers are great at growing corn,** 14 **and lots of it. We're seeing yields in our national** 15 **corn yield contest that outpace the national average** 16 **significantly, even at 500 bushels an acre, and while** 17 **being more environmentally sound, sustainable, and** 18 **efficient. That's nearly triple the USDA reported** 19 **national average.** 20 **So we need to be even smarter when it comes to** 21 **building demand. While this is a much harder job,** 22 **we're up to the task, focusing on corn for ethanol,**

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1 **exports, livestock feed, food, and new uses. An** 2 **important part of this work, however, is protecting our** 3 **existing markets, and that's why we're here today. We** 4 **simply cannot afford and will not tolerate efforts to** 5 **cut the demand for corn, and that's exactly what your** 6 **proposal will do.** 7 **We cannot let this stand. We've done our part.** 8 **Our allies in the ethanol industry have done their** 9 **part, and it's time for the EPA to side with those of** 10 **us supporting a domestic renewable fuel that's better** 11 **for the environment. It's what your mission seeks to** 12 **do.** 13 **As I close, I'd like to remind you that our** 14 **growers and allies sent a clear signal when the** 15 **proposal of 2014 changes were first issued in 2013.** 16 **Nearly 200,000 people responded to the EPA in public** 17 **comment. Nearly 10,000 farmers contacted the White** 18 **House directly.** 19 **We have never before seen so much grassroots** 20 **interest in a particular issue. This concern and** 21 **activism continues today, as you can clearly see. We** 22 **will raise our voices loud as necessary in defense of Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **ethanol and the RFS.** 2 **The many who came here today set aside important** 3 **work back home. We should be home working. That's** 4 **what we get paid to do. They're here because of what's** 5 **at stake. They have seen the price they get for the** 6 **grain go down and the cost of production go up.** 7 **I stand with them and with the thousands who could** 8 **not be here today to tell you one simple thing. Follow** 9 **the law. Restore the proposed renewable volume** 10 **obligations to the statutory amount so we can continue** 11 **to grow a great renewable resource here at home.** 12 **Thank you.** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Bowling.** 14 **Next up we have Mr. Sandborn. Jeff, welcome.** 15 **MR. SANDBORN: Good morning. My name is Jeff** 16 **Sandborn, and I'm a fourth-generation farmer near** 17 **Portland, Michigan. My great-grandfather grew up on a** 18 **farm. My grandfather purchased the farm next to my** 19 **farm in the '50s, and my dad continued farming until he** 20 **passed away when I was in my early 20s.** 21 **My passion for farming has led me to serve on both** 22 **the Michigan and the National Corn Growers Association**

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1 **over the years. Today, I serve as chair of the** 2 **National Corn Growers Association Ethanol Committee.** 3 **For America's corn farmers, ethanol has provided a** 4 **critical boost and allowed us to help create a product** 5 **that benefits consumers and communities, like my** 6 **hometown of Portland, across the nation. The economic** 7 **benefits of the renewable fuel standard have been** 8 **enormous.** 9 **The ethanol in Michigan is made in Michigan, using** 10 **corn from local farms like mine, helping provide a** 11 **boost to the agriculture economy at a time when corn** 12 **prices are below the cost of production. Across** 13 **Michigan, the RFS is responsible for pumping more than** 14 **$1.1 billion back into our communities and creating** 15 **more than 22,000 good jobs, many of them in small** 16 **towns.** 17 **I've seen firsthand how the RFS has revitalized** 18 **rural Michigan, and I know rural areas in other States** 19 **across the country have similar stories. We also take** 20 **pride in knowing that corn grown in Michigan goes to** 21 **make a product to boost our nation's energy security.** 22 **Keep in mind the RFS was originally created as part of** Page 72

1 **our nation's response to 9/11, an effort to reduce our** 2 **dependence on oil that comes from nations hostile to** 3 **our freedom, our democracy, and our way of life.** 4 **In that regard, the RFS has been an incredible** 5 **success. Thanks to the RFS, more of our fuel comes** 6 **from cornfields and ethanol facilities based in** 7 **Michigan and across the nation, keeping economic** 8 **benefits at home. And when farmers make a profit, they** 9 **tend to spend it locally and do not send it overseas.** 10 **In addition, the ethanol we help create is** 11 **competition for the oil industry. It's bringing down** 12 **prices and helping families save money at the pump.** 13 **It's creating jobs and a cleaner environment in our** 14 **State and across the nation. American-made ethanol** 15 **provides incredible benefits for rural communities and** 16 **consumers across the nation.** 17 **The RFS lived up to its original intent as a** 18 **policy to help the corn industry mature, and we can** 19 **make even more progress in the years ahead. I keep** 20 **getting more efficient at growing corn, and oil gets** 21 **harder and harder to find.** 22 **The RFS was never meant to limit ethanol to 10**

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1 **percent of the fuel supply. It was meant to push** 2 **higher blends of renewable fuel. Simple math will say** 3 **when the RFS was written, Congress' intent was to go** 4 **much higher than 10 percent, closer to 25 percent.** 5 **I am concerned that the current proposal by the** 6 **EPA falls short of the maximum possible commitment in** 7 **terms of gallons blended into our fuels under RFS. I** 8 **ask the EPA to restore the RVOs for each year to the** 9 **statutory amount and maintain a strong methodology for** 10 **calculating the amounts of biofuels blended in the U.S.** 11 **For those of us in rural Michigan and families** 12 **across America, policymakers' decisions on the RFS have** 13 **real impact.** 14 **Thanks for allowing me to testify.** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Barbre,** 16 **welcome.** 17 **MR. BARBRE: Thank you.** 18 **My name is Martin Barbre. I'm a corn farmer from** 19 **Carmi, Illinois, where I farm with my son, and I think** 20 **you've heard a lot about farming with our sons so far.** 21 **We grow field corn, white food-grade corn, soybeans,** 22 **seed soybeans, wheat, grain sorghum, and alfalfa. It's Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **great to have my son farming, and building new markets** 2 **for corn like ethanol helps farms have active roles for** 3 **the next generation.** 4 **I'm also proud to serve as chairman of the** 5 **National Corn Growers Association. NCGA and its 48** 6 **affiliate State associations and checkoff organizations** 7 **work together to help protect and advance corn growers'** 8 **interests.** 9 **In January of 2014, when I served as president of** 10 **NCGA, I submitted our organization's comments on the** 11 **EPA's earlier proposal regarding the RVO numbers and** 12 **methodology for 2014. What I shared still holds true** 13 **today.** 14 **The RFS is an important tool in the nation's** 15 **effort to achieve cleaner fuels. Since the enactment** 16 **of RFS2 in 2007, corn and corn ethanol production have** 17 **increased in efficiencies, and it reduced greenhouse** 18 **emissions faster than expected.** 19 **At the same time, remarkably, the opposite has** 20 **happened in the oil industry. Petroleum production** 21 **practices have gotten worse, and I would also note I am** 22 **involved in oil production as well. So I come from**

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1 **both sides.** 2 **Until the EPA proposed changes to the renewable** 3 **volume obligation for 2014, the RFS was doing exactly** 4 **what it was intended to do, driving adoption of** 5 **domestic renewable fuels alternatives to petroleum,** 6 **supporting jobs across the country, and ensuring the** 7 **United States remains a global leader in developing new** 8 **renewable energy sources while decreasing greenhouse** 9 **gas emissions here at home. The EPA's proposal** 10 **threatens these outcomes.** 11 **At the same time, we are extremely concerned about** 12 **the methodology behind your decision. The EPA only has** 13 **the authority to issue a waiver while reviewing the** 14 **RVOs if either the RFS would cause severe economic harm** 15 **to the economy or to the environment. Or if there is** 16 **an inadequate domestic supply.** 17 **When it comes to ethanol, neither of these hold** 18 **true. The so-called blend wall is coming down. E15 is** 19 **becoming more and more available now in hundreds of gas** 20 **stations across the country, and we are working and** 21 **investing in programs to expand its availability even** 22 **further.** Page 76

1 **We urge you not to penalize those of us who are** 2 **doing our job, but to move quickly to ensure that the** 3 **oil industry does its part to ensure that the** 4 **infrastructure in place and renewable fuel is marketed** 5 **as it is supposed to be. In fact, a report last year** 6 **from the Renewable Fuels Association demonstrated** 7 **clearly how the oil industry prevents and discourages** 8 **retail gas stations from selling fuels with higher** 9 **renewable content, like E15 and E85.** 10 **Unbranded or independent stations are roughly 4 to** 11 **6 times more likely to offer E85 and 40 times more** 12 **likely to offer E15 than stations carrying a big 5 oil** 13 **brand. We need to end this monopoly and continue our** 14 **work to bring domestic renewable fuels to our gas** 15 **tanks.** 16 **Not only does our environment need renewable** 17 **fuels, but consumers need the option at the pump to** 18 **save their hard-earned dollars. While big oil argues** 19 **that RINs have increased prices for consumers, their** 20 **argument falls flat.** 21 **RINs are free for refiners who purchase and blend** 22 **required volumes of ethanol with gasoline. Only those**

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1 **refiners who blatantly refuse to blend required ethanol** 2 **volumes have a need to buy RINs on the open market.** 3 **And in the highly competitive gasoline marketplace,** 4 **there is no way they can pass those costs onto** 5 **consumers and remain competitive.** 6 **RINs are what makes the RFS work, driving** 7 **infrastructure investment just as designed by Congress,** 8 **and the proof is in the significant decline in RIN** 9 **prices following your announcement in May.** 10 **We urge the agency to restore the RVOs to statute** 11 **and support this important piece of transformational** 12 **energy policy. The continued health of the rural** 13 **economy and the nation's environment hinges upon your** 14 **decision.** 15 **Thank you.** 16 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, and thank you,** 17 **panel members, for traveling here today. Very valuable** 18 **testimony.** 19 **We're going to take a brief pause. We're honored** 20 **to have several elected officials who will be up on the** 21 **next panel. We urge the indulgence of the following** 22 **panel to allow the Governors to speak. I'd be Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **grateful.** 2 **So we are rounding them up now, and we will** 3 **proceed as soon as the panel is constituted. So a** 4 **brief recess, about 5 minutes.** 5 **Thank you.** 6 **(Recess.)** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: We're very honored to have the next** 8 **panel join us today. Welcome, Governors. Governor** 9 **Branstad, Governor Nixon, along with your colleagues,** 10 **the Secretary of Agriculture from the State of Iowa,** 11 **Secretary Northey, and the Director of Agriculture for** 12 **the State of Missouri, Richard Fordyce.** 13 **Welcome. Proceed.** 14 **GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: Thank you very much. Great to** 15 **be with you.** 16 **Do you want me to just go ahead and start?** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: Please proceed as you have worked** 18 **it out amongst yourselves.** 19 **GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: Okay. Well, good morning. My** 20 **name is Terry Branstad, and I have the honor of serving** 21 **the people of Iowa as Governor.** 22 **On August 15th of 2013, I and the Lieutenant**

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1 **Governor had the honor of welcoming the new EPA** 2 **Administrator Gina McCarthy to the Iowa State Fair to** 3 **discuss with her the importance of renewable fuel and** 4 **the renewable fuel standard, known as the RFS. That** 5 **day, the price of corn was $6. This was August of** 6 **2013.** 7 **It has now fallen to, as of yesterday in southwest** 8 **Iowa, $3.45 a bushel, well below the cost of** 9 **production. And farm land values have started to drop** 10 **as a result as well. We are the leading corn-producing** 11 **State. We saw land values drop 15 percent last year,** 12 **and they're continuing to decline. USDA estimates that** 13 **farm income will decline 32 percent this year.** 14 **Since 2013, I have participated in numerous** 15 **meetings focused on the importance of a robust** 16 **renewable fuel standard for a healthy economy here in** 17 **rural America, in the heartland of this country. For** 18 **example, in January 2014, Lieutenant Governor Kim** 19 **Reynolds, Iowa Secretary of Agriculture Bill Northey,** 20 **who is here with us today, and I and all the members of** 21 **our congressional delegation hosted interested citizens** 22 **and from people all across the Midwest, Republicans and** Page 80

1 **Democrats, for a hearing in the heartland.** 2 **During that hearing, which was held in Des Moines,** 3 **we had 83 individuals testify in support of a robust** 4 **renewable fuel standard, and only 2 testified in favor** 5 **of scaling back the RFS. I had hoped to welcome you** 6 **all to Iowa for today's hearing, but I do appreciate** 7 **the fact that you did choose a Midwestern location, and** 8 **we are pleased to be here and get outside the beltway,** 9 **where big oil's army of well-paid lobbyists seem to** 10 **have so much undue influence.** 11 **I've been --** 12 **(Applause.)** 13 **GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: At least we don't have paid** 14 **kids riding bicycles around here spewing out** 15 **misinformation, as we had in the Virginia hearing.** 16 **I've been a relentless supporter of biofuel since** 17 **the 1970s when I served in the Iowa legislature, when** 18 **we used to call it gasohol. It's truly incredible to** 19 **see what this industry has done and how it's grown and** 20 **the impact it's had and the diverse benefits it's** 21 **provided to farmers in the Midwest, to rural** 22 **communities, and to workers.**

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1 **With a State that has 92,000 farmers, dozens of** 2 **thriving international agribusiness companies, and a** 3 **large variety of bioscience leaders, it's easy to see** 4 **that growth is a result of the hard work and innovation** 5 **of our farmers and the technology advancements that** 6 **we've seen with the use of corn and soybeans and other** 7 **biomass products. It's really been incredible to see** 8 **this happen.** 9 **There are many benefits that flow from the** 10 **renewable fuel standard and the use of biofuels,** 11 **including diversifying our nation's energy portfolio** 12 **and reducing our dependency on overseas oil, reducing** 13 **transportation fuel emissions, giving consumers choice** 14 **at the pump, and helping grow family incomes in rural** 15 **America.** 16 **In fact, biofuels have enabled value-added** 17 **opportunities for a variety of biostocks, including** 18 **corn, cornstock, soybeans, and woody biomass. And** 19 **renewable fuels have created high-paying jobs and** 20 **rewarding careers in rural America.** 21 **In the current RFS proposal, I recognize that the** 22 **EPA has made some changes. For example, there are some Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **encouraging changes involving the volumes for** 2 **biodiesel. Unfortunately, on the ethanol front, the** 3 **agency seems to have bought big oil's faulty arguments** 4 **hook, line, and sinker. Big oil has polluted the** 5 **discourse with half-truths and a narrative that rewards** 6 **their bad behavior by blocking market access to** 7 **renewables.** 8 **Can you imagine the people on the east coast and** 9 **the west coast if they had the opportunity to buy fuel** 10 **for $1.995, $1.999 as we did on the way down here with** 11 **our flexible-fuel vehicle? By the way, I was the** 12 **Governor that said the State of Iowa is going to have a** 13 **fleet of E85 vehicles, and I'm proud we've had that** 14 **since early '90s.** 15 **The gas price at that same station was $2.95, and** 16 **we bought E85 for $1.99. Do you know what they're** 17 **paying for gas on the east coast and the west coast? I** 18 **used to talk to my uncle all the time that lived in** 19 **California. A lot of times, it's $3.50, $4.00 a** 20 **gallon. And can you imagine if they had the kind of** 21 **opportunity and access that we have? But big oil has** 22 **blocked that.**

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1 **The EPA's indecision for the last 2 years has led** 2 **to market uncertainty, and it's hurt farmers, frozen** 3 **investment in new-generation technology. My hope is** 4 **that the EPA is open to improving the proposal much** 5 **further and meeting the original congressional intent** 6 **of significantly expanding the use of biofuels** 7 **throughout the entire country, not just here in the** 8 **heartland of America.** 9 **The EPA has a choice. Protect the deep pockets of** 10 **big oil or big oil and their monopolistic practices,** 11 **and by God, they don't want to lose any more than 10** 12 **percent of the market, which they've already lost. Or** 13 **they can nurture consumer choice, renewable energy** 14 **growth, and a healthy rural economy.** 15 **Unless you advance the robust renewable fuel** 16 **standard, you will constrain the growth of this rural** 17 **economy, which, by the way, since the RFS passed, grew** 18 **dramatically until 2013 and now has slowed down** 19 **significantly.** 20 **Obviously, this has a big impact on our family** 21 **farms, our agribusinesses, and the biofuel industries** 22 **that serve them. The citizens and the businesses are a** Page 84

1 **very important part of our rural fabric, and it's been** 2 **part of the economic revitalization that we've** 3 **experienced in the last decade.** 4 **The proposed rule by the EPA would have a direct** 5 **negative impact on our 42 Iowa ethanol plants, our 13** 6 **biodiesel plants, and scores of other facilities** 7 **throughout these other Midwestern States. It's** 8 **estimated that a single EPA proposal would cost** 9 **thousands of jobs nationally. That's thousands of** 10 **families that would face undue financial hardship and** 11 **stress.** 12 **The EPA's indecision and proposed rule have** 13 **negatively impacted land prices, farm machinery** 14 **manufacturers, and rippled through America. Just** 15 **yesterday, Kinze Manufacturing that makes corn planters** 16 **and grain carts announced they're going to lay off 215** 17 **people. John Deere has already announced they're** 18 **laying off people.** 19 **I was Governor during the farm crisis of 1980s,** 20 **which brought incredible hardship. We closed 38 banks,** 21 **land values dropped 63 percent, and I don't want to see** 22 **a repeat of that disaster.**

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1 **(Applause.)** 2 **GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: After decade of efforts to** 3 **reduce dependency on foreign oil, giving consumers** 4 **choices at the pump, and increasing family income, the** 5 **EPA's revised proposal would halt this great progress** 6 **and success that we have seen.** 7 **I find it ironic that big oil often attacked** 8 **renewable fuels on environmental grounds through** 9 **misinformation and half-truths. This from the same** 10 **industry that was responsible for the MTBE debacle that** 11 **poisoned groundwater on the east coast and the west** 12 **coast, the 1989 Exxon Valdez, and the 2010 Deepwater** 13 **Horizon oil spills.** 14 **I hope that the EPA will use some good, what we** 15 **would say Midwest common sense and continue the** 16 **progress that's been made since 2005.** 17 **The use of co-products, such as DDGs, are also** 18 **very important to the growth of agriculture. DDGs are** 19 **an excellent source of protein for cattle and other** 20 **livestock and have resulted in a significant growth in** 21 **cattle feeding here in the Midwest.** 22 **States, including Iowa, and the Federal Government Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **are producing -- are providing incentives for** 2 **investment in renewable fuel infrastructure. USDA has** 3 **some incentives. We have some State incentives.** 4 **Growth in E15, E85, and blender pumps have helped** 5 **achieve the important goals set by the RFS, and we are** 6 **exploring how we might be able to expand those efforts** 7 **via the recently announced USDA infrastructure** 8 **initiative.** 9 **Retailers in Iowa know the importance of biofuels** 10 **to our State's economy and have installed blender** 11 **pumps, which have resulted in higher octane and lower** 12 **cost for ethanol-blended fuels to consumers. And when** 13 **the consumers have that choice, let me tell you, just** 14 **like the guy I talked to in Lamoni, Iowa, today who was** 15 **putting E85 in his pickup truck, just at the same time** 16 **we were putting ours in, he was saying what a** 17 **difference it's made and why he's able to get much** 18 **lower-cost fuel.** 19 **When consumers have the choice, as they do in** 20 **Iowa, they choose ethanol and biofuels. The oil** 21 **companies are preventing some of those efforts in other** 22 **parts of the country, and consumers are forced to pay**

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1 **much more for their fuel.** 2 **In the past 18 months, there has been some** 3 **encouraging studies and data that provide, I think, EPA** 4 **with new information for why you ought to revise your** 5 **proposal. I believe that EPA has an opportunity to** 6 **refine your approach, including this data that shows** 7 **there is more capacity to integrate biofuels into our** 8 **nation's fuel supply and data that shows that RIN** 9 **activity did not affect the price at the pump.** 10 **You know, the baloney that came out in 2012 about** 11 **food and fuel I think has been totally discredited. As** 12 **the price of corn has dropped dramatically to less than** 13 **half what it was, the price of food has gone up, not** 14 **down.** 15 **I look forward to hearing from fellow** 16 **Midwesterners who embrace the choices at the pump and a** 17 **robust renewable fuel standard. The EPA's decision** 18 **will affect the lives of many people in my State of** 19 **Iowa and throughout the entire Midwest, as well as** 20 **consumers nationwide.** 21 **I hope that the EPA show that -- shows** 22 **Midwesterners that the Federal Government is not** Page 88

1 **abandoning its commitment to a robust renewable fuel** 2 **standard that can make such a difference and has made** 3 **such a difference in revitalizing rural America.** 4 **I am hand delivering letters today from my** 5 **Lieutenant Governor Kim Reynolds, from every member of** 6 **our congressional delegation. And by the way, every** 7 **single member of the Iowa General Assembly supported my** 8 **recommendation for a resolution supporting a robust** 9 **renewable fuel standard. That is every Democrat, every** 10 **Republican in the house and the senate.** 11 **They join me in urging President Obama and** 12 **Administrator McCarthy to alter the EPA proposal to** 13 **support a more robust and effective RFS as the EPA has** 14 **in the past.** 15 **Thank you for the opportunity. I'm proud to be** 16 **here, and I'm proud to be a strong voice for the** 17 **renewable fuel standard. Don't mess with the RFS.** 18 **(Applause.)** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much, Governor** 20 **Branstad.** 21 **Governor Nixon?** 22 **GOVERNOR NIXON: Good morning. I'm Jay Nixon, the**

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1 **Governor of the "Show Me" State.** 2 **I want to join Governor Branstad in thanking you** 3 **for coming to the heartland. Once again, like him, he** 4 **feels Iowa would have been better. I feel Missouri** 5 **would have been better. And for those of you who know** 6 **me pretty well, for me to go to Kansas, this is a big** 7 **issue, okay?** 8 **(Laughter.)** 9 **GOVERNOR NIXON: But now to our friends in Kansas,** 10 **we thank you for your leadership also on these issues.** 11 **This is really important for America.** 12 **So, and thank you for hosting this, and I'll be** 13 **quick. And I thank Governor Branstad not only for his** 14 **lifelong leadership, but also his advocacy among fellow** 15 **Governors and other policy leaders in this country.** 16 **There, quite frankly, is no better leader in these** 17 **issues than Terry Branstad, and I tremendously** 18 **appreciate your wise counsel and help to me as we move** 19 **through these issues.** 20 **Now here in the heartland, and especially in my** 21 **State of Missouri, agriculture is the backbone of our** 22 **economy, and the proof is in the numbers. Missouri has Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **more than 99,000 farms and 28.3 million acres of farm** 2 **land. And agriculture directly employs more than a** 3 **quarter million Missourians.** 4 **We were talking just this morning. With the rain** 5 **we've had and the slowness to get in the field with a** 6 **bunch of crops this year, what a dramatic effect that** 7 **could have in some ways on the economy of our State** 8 **this year, and we're concerned.** 9 **We have more than $12 billion in sales each year,** 10 **and as a State, we're very diverse in agriculture.** 11 **We're in the top 10 in corn, soybeans, cattle, hogs,** 12 **cotton, rice, poultry, horses, and of course, number** 13 **one in black walnuts. No need to have a renewable fuel** 14 **standard for black walnuts. We're doing fine putting** 15 **those in cakes, pies, and other sorts of treats.** 16 **The men and women who have dedicated their lives** 17 **to feeding, fueling, and clothing the world have made** 18 **Missouri an agriculture powerhouse, and they continue** 19 **to drive our State's economic growth, especially when** 20 **it comes to corn. Last year, the 3.5 million acres of** 21 **corn we planted in Missouri produced an economic value** 22 **of more than $2.1 billion.**

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1 **Each year, about 30 percent of Missouri's corn** 2 **crop is turned into about 300 million gallons of** 3 **ethanol, a renewable domestic energy source that fuels** 4 **vehicles worldwide. I, like Governor Branstad,** 5 **remember the days when policymakers were talking about** 6 **these issues, 5, 10, 15 years ago. And everyone** 7 **running for office, as we were lamenting our reliance** 8 **on foreign oil and foreign fuel, when asked what their** 9 **position was on where we should go said, "I'm for all** 10 **of the above."** 11 **And it was in that context of "all of the above"** 12 **energy policy that the law was passed that we're** 13 **talking about today. The law passed.** 14 **Now a recent report from the University of** 15 **Missouri found that Missouri's ethanol industry alone** 16 **accounted for about $1.1 billion in economic output for** 17 **our State, including about 1,500 jobs. But agriculture** 18 **isn't just an important industry. It's an important** 19 **part of our way of life. So when you hurt agriculture,** 20 **you hurt families.** 21 **Also when you ask agriculture to step up, and** 22 **there's a lot of people in this room and a lot of** Page 92

1 **people through the Midwest that 15 or 20 years were** 2 **stepping up in big ways, making investments, whether** 3 **it's the private sector investments that were made in** 4 **the ethanol production or the individual farm families** 5 **that bought those shares in those co-ops in Missouri.** 6 **Before anything got paid back, before anybody was** 7 **saying anything, they were the first in the front of** 8 **the line to say we are going to do our part in our** 9 **communities to break us free from foreign oil and to** 10 **keep us moving forward here.** 11 **So, so when somebody will say what are you giving** 12 **in this? All of those folks across all of our States -** 13 **- Iowa, Missouri, the entire Midwest -- our families,** 14 **our farmers have not only started this, they have** 15 **followed up. That's why we're committed to doing** 16 **everything we can to keep Missouri farm families and** 17 **rural communities moving forward.** 18 **Unfortunately, as was said by my brethren from** 19 **Iowa, I can't always say the same for what's done in** 20 **Washington, D.C., or other parts of the country. The** 21 **current proposal that we're dealing with here today** 22 **continues to fail in significant ways to meet the**

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1 **renewable fuel targets that are part of the law, you** 2 **know? Just that simple.** 3 **I mean, a law gets passed. It says here are the** 4 **targets. And then regulations get passed or** 5 **promulgated that say, well, part of that's good enough.** 6 **That's not the way we play, especially in** 7 **agriculture. You don't stop plowing 80 percent through** 8 **the field, okay? We don't stop working at 80 percent** 9 **of what's necessary. That's why this law was passed.** 10 **The Energy Policy Act of 2005 established** 11 **renewable fuel standards, including specific volume** 12 **requirements, was intended to stimulate investment in** 13 **renewable fuels so that we could have cleaner air and** 14 **be less reliant on foreign oil. And as I said before,** 15 **we invested big time with risk, okay? Not just -- no** 16 **guarantees there.** 17 **A lot of folks, as Governor Branstad said, I've** 18 **been at many farms in my great State. I've been to** 19 **many ethanol plants. We have a robust industry out** 20 **there. And time after time after time, you saw those** 21 **shares bought by those individual farmers because of** 22 **you saw the infrastructure needs those communities for Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **the rail lines put in. There were significant** 2 **investments.** 3 **We all know the market targets of RFS act kind of** 4 **as a ceiling in the market, when it should be a floor.** 5 **And so, that's why this is so important, because you** 6 **need that market out there. Everybody knows that.** 7 **By setting the RFS below the congressional** 8 **targets, the EPA caps the amount that will be produced.** 9 **I mean, that's what happens. I mean, we're here in** 10 **the Midwest. We're going to talk very, very directly** 11 **and very straightly. That's what happens.** 12 **I'm not sure "straightly" is a word, but --** 13 **(Laughter.)** 14 **GOVERNOR NIXON: That's the great thing. That was** 15 **the one great thing about having -- one of the things** 16 **about having George Bush as President. You never --** 17 **you know? You should never misunderestimate how useful** 18 **his use of the English language was to some of us.** 19 **So straightly, we talk straightly, okay?** 20 **(Laughter.)** 21 **GOVERNOR NIXON: It is counterintuitive for the** 22 **agency that is charged with enforcing the clean air**

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1 **laws to impose a de facto limit on ethanol, a product** 2 **which so clearly emits fewer greenhouse gases in the** 3 **atmosphere. So the one agency that should be saying** 4 **more is saying less. I mean, if you look at the** 5 **mission of the agency.** 6 **And that's what's so surprising in a way. Because** 7 **we certainly get a number of I'll be kind, but also** 8 **troubling is the fact that the EPA uses reasoning with** 9 **dubious authority in imposing these lower limits.** 10 **There is obviously going to be decisions made about** 11 **that.** 12 **But the Federal RFS allows a waiver only if the** 13 **RFS would harm the economy or the environment. That's** 14 **an important legal matter to remember here, okay? The** 15 **RFS would -- you know, allows a waiver only if the RFS** 16 **would harm the economy or environment. So they have a** 17 **burden.** 18 **And quite frankly, I'm not seeing how it's going** 19 **to hurt our economy to produce cheaper, better, cleaner** 20 **fuel, and it's certainly not going to hurt our** 21 **environment to produce here in America, okay?** 22 **(Applause.)** Page 96

1 **GOVERNOR NIXON: The second thing, and I don't** 2 **speak for Iowa, but Iowa speaks loud, the EPA did the** 3 **second standard is if there's an inadequate domestic** 4 **supply. We have never failed to meet the requirements.** 5 **We have never failed to deliver, ever.** 6 **Every time I've asked the farmers of our State to** 7 **deliver for America, they have been at the front of the** 8 **line. And so, talking about inadequate domestic supply** 9 **is just false. It's just that simple.** 10 **EPA's proposed rule imposes lower ethanol targets** 11 **based on conditions outside of what Congress intended** 12 **when it gave the EPA the limited waiver authority,** 13 **okay? This is a waiver from the law, okay, that we're** 14 **talking about.** 15 **We're not talking about going out and having to** 16 **pass a new law or having to get the House and the** 17 **Senate and Congress and the President to sign. We got** 18 **the law. We need it enforced.** 19 **EPA does not have the expertise or authority to** 20 **lower the targets based on their perceived** 21 **infrastructure needs, okay? That's up to us. We can't** 22 **deliver, you know, and we're working with USDA and**

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1 **others to make sure that we have that infrastructure.** 2 **Our belief the participants will not comply. That is a** 3 **slap in the face to farmers, at least in my State.** 4 **We'll comply. We'll meet the -- we will deliver.** 5 **Not to mention the Federal Government made a** 6 **commitment to our farmers, and our farmers have worked** 7 **hard to meet that commitment by growing the corn needed** 8 **to keep up with the ethanol demands.** 9 **Breaking that commitment now would hurt our** 10 **economy, our rural communities, and our environment.** 11 **Using more ethanol and less gasoline reduces greenhouse** 12 **gases, decreases our dependency on foreign oil, keeps** 13 **gas prices low, and supports rural communities. I'll** 14 **debate anybody, anywhere in the world about that simple** 15 **paragraph.** 16 **Using more ethanol and less gasoline reduces** 17 **greenhouse gases, decreases our dependency on foreign** 18 **oil, keeps gas prices low, and supports rural** 19 **communities. And quite frankly, everyone I've ever met** 20 **in my life running for office have supported all four** 21 **of those, okay, and everybody in office, okay?** 22 **And this is -- we're at that moment. We're at the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **cutting edge of what that really means right here.** 2 **So we have made tremendous progress in the area of** 3 **ethanol, and going backward is not an option. I** 4 **guarantee you that when you make the -- when you set** 5 **the RFS targets where Congress has set them, our hard** 6 **working Missouri farmers and ethanol producers will hit** 7 **that mark. I guarantee farmers and producers of the** 8 **State of Missouri will hit the mark. I guarantee it,** 9 **where you set that mark up there.** 10 **We're not asking you to do something prohibited by** 11 **Federal law. All we're asking is that you keep the** 12 **commitments this country made to produce cleaner** 13 **burning renewable fuels because if we can keep that** 14 **promise and keep this commitment to cleaner fuel, we'll** 15 **keep this important industry going strong, our air** 16 **clean, and our economy moving forward.** 17 **As Governor of Missouri and vice chair of the** 18 **Governor's Biofuel Coalition, I join my friend Governor** 19 **Branstad in requesting that you align these RFS targets** 20 **with those that Congress intended.** 21 **I want to thank everyone that's here today for** 22 **looking at this issue, and I want to thank everybody**

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1 **that's testifying. This outpouring of support here in** 2 **the heartland is a small -- I mean having a hearing** 3 **about an agriculture matter during the middle of** 4 **agriculture season and still having to double the size** 5 **of it and to have more people than you have seats is a** 6 **clear sign of how passionate that we feel about this** 7 **important national issue.** 8 **I believe that as you examine the facts of this** 9 **matter, you will arrive at the same conclusion that I** 10 **and other Governors have. Breaking our commitment to** 11 **rural communities is simply not an option. We must** 12 **stay the course, keep our commitments, and work** 13 **together to produce American-made ethanol, which will** 14 **result in cleaner skies, a stronger economy, and a** 15 **bright and more prosperous future for our farms, our** 16 **families, and rural America.** 17 **Thank you very much for the opportunity to be with** 18 **you.** 19 **(Applause.)** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Governor Nixon.** 21 **We will keep the record open to allow Governor** 22 **Brownback to comment on the venue.** Page 100

1 **(Laughter.)** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Secretary?** 3 **MR. NORTHEY: Thank you.** 4 **I'm Bill Northey, Secretary of Agriculture in** 5 **Iowa, and I appreciate the opportunity to be able to** 6 **speak with you today and also echo the thankfulness for** 7 **all the folks who've taken time out of their busy day** 8 **to be able to be here.** 9 **You will hear from many of the folks that these** 10 **two Governors have talked about, have personally** 11 **invested, have been a part of this industry for 40** 12 **years, making this all happen through thick and thin,** 13 **and now we have another set of challenges to get** 14 **through.** 15 **Since its inception, EPA's mission has been to** 16 **"work for a cleaner, healthier environment for the** 17 **American people." Administrator McCarthy, prior to** 18 **becoming head of EPA, led the Office of Water and** 19 **Radiation, where she was responsible for, among other** 20 **things, improving air quality and energy efficiency,** 21 **and specifically pollution from vehicles and engines.** 22 **So it baffles me why we are here today to try to**

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1 **convince the agency to meet its mission. It baffles me** 2 **why an Administrator of the EPA, who has an extensive** 3 **background in air quality and energy efficiency, would** 4 **slow progress on those efforts. It baffles me why big** 5 **oil and special interests are allowed to continue to** 6 **obstruct and misinform, threatening jobs in the** 7 **American heartland, reducing economic activity,** 8 **increase greenhouse gases, and increase dependency on** 9 **foreign oil.** 10 **It baffles me how EPA can claim constraints in** 11 **supply of biofuels and limitations in the volume of** 12 **ethanol and biodiesel, can be used when they alone** 13 **control most of those limitations. I am baffled** 14 **because the choice is so clear. If you stand by your** 15 **mission, "a cleaner, healthier environment for the** 16 **American people," then why not produce more renewable** 17 **fuels?** 18 **I also believe the EPA should consider, although** 19 **it's probably not part of your consideration at this** 20 **point, the 1-pound waiver for E15. That is holding the** 21 **opportunity for that product to move forward the way it** 22 **needs to. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **If it is, as EPA claims, the ability of the market** 2 **to respond to the production and infrastructure needs,** 3 **then EPA should listen to the hundreds of people** 4 **testifying today that they are ready to meet that** 5 **challenge. EPA should also recognize the impact of the** 6 **uncertainty they have caused through the indecision** 7 **resulting in freezing growth and investment in** 8 **renewable fuels infrastructure.** 9 **We're here today talking about a target for 2014** 10 **when that conversation should have happened 3 years ago** 11 **and created all kinds of uncertainty that has limited** 12 **the opportunity to grow when we had huge growth** 13 **opportunities the last few years, and it still hasn't** 14 **been fixed in the new numbers.** 15 **In 2005, Congress set forward an achievable goal** 16 **of 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022. The** 17 **White House Web site states biofuels is a key component** 18 **of President Obama's "all of the above" energy strategy** 19 **and play an important role in reducing Americans'** 20 **dependence on foreign oil.** 21 **Congress and the President agree on the importance** 22 **of an aggressive energy policy that results in a**

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1 **cleaner environment and more American-produced oil.** 2 **Yet through the EPA's inaction, they have slowed that** 3 **progress. And now with the newly proposed levels, our** 4 **country will take another step back in those efforts.** 5 **I'm here today representing thousands of Iowa** 6 **farmers who produce the crops used to make renewable** 7 **fuels, thousands of livestock producers who feed high** 8 **quality DDGs, and 62,000 Iowans with jobs connected to** 9 **renewable fuels. And the communities across Iowa that** 10 **benefit from the production of renewable fuels.** 11 **Fuels that provide jobs for Americans, revitalize** 12 **the rural economies, and reduce greenhouse gases.** 13 **Please don't underestimate the ingenuity and** 14 **determination of the hard-working people in the** 15 **countryside. If EPA removes regulatory uncertainty and** 16 **clears the way for expansion, I believe the renewable** 17 **fuels industry will meet the RFS volumes established by** 18 **Congress.** 19 **A robust RFS will economically benefit consumers,** 20 **communities, and farmers, all while resulting in a** 21 **cleaner, healthier environment for the American people.** 22 **Thank you.** Page 104

1 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much.** 2 **(Applause.)** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Director, welcome.** 4 **MR. FORDYCE: Thank you.** 5 **Well, when you are the fourth to speak on a panel** 6 **of four, sometimes there's not much left to be said,** 7 **but I'm going to give a stab at it.** 8 **First of all, I'd like to say that it is an honor** 9 **to appear on a panel with Governor Nixon and Governor** 10 **Branstad and my counterpart from Iowa, Secretary** 11 **Northey. The leadership that these gentlemen display** 12 **every day when it comes to not only this issue, but a** 13 **host of others is unquestioned.** 14 **I'm sitting here, I guess, today wearing two hats.** 15 **The first hat being that of the Director of the** 16 **Missouri Department of Agriculture, and my charge every** 17 **day is to promote and protect agriculture and the** 18 **agriculture producers in Missouri.** 19 **Secondly, as a farmer from Harrison County --** 20 **that's in northwest Missouri -- I'm a corn, soybean,** 21 **and cattle producer, that that is my livelihood. That** 22 **is what I do. And that's what my family does, and**

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1 **that's what all of my neighbors do in Harrison County.** 2 **The renewable fuel standard certainly when it came** 3 **into law was a game changer. It was a game changer for** 4 **crop farmers across the board, and it was a game** 5 **changer for rural economies.** 6 **Just, and we've heard the numbers. We've seen the** 7 **numbers, and I'm sure you'll hear them again about the** 8 **economic impact that renewable fuels brings to our** 9 **rural communities. Not only in Missouri, but all** 10 **across the Midwest. It's critical.** 11 **You know, we've heard about meeting the demand.** 12 **And I can tell you, having been a part of the soybean** 13 **industry and the corn industry most of my adult life,** 14 **that advances in technology in corn and soybeans have** 15 **allowed Missouri producers and Midwestern producers to** 16 **produce ample amounts of corn to satisfy -- satisfy** 17 **what I would like to see as the original limits.** 18 **The ability -- as Governor Nixon said, the ability** 19 **for our Missouri producers to meet that demand is** 20 **unquestioned. I have no doubt that they can do it.** 21 **I was in Madison, Wisconsin, yesterday at noon,** 22 **and I drove down here from Madison, Wisconsin. And all Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **across Wisconsin, Iowa, and all the way through** 2 **Missouri, the corn crop looks fantastic.** 3 **The corn crop looks fantastic in a year when we've** 4 **had some weather challenges. That, in itself, should** 5 **speak to the ability of Missouri and Midwestern corn** 6 **producers and ag producers to meet -- meet the demand.** 7 **I know that if we -- in Missouri, for example,** 8 **about 300 million gallons are produced in 6 ethanol** 9 **plants. If the EPA were to reinstate original limits,** 10 **as intended by Congress, I know that that industry in** 11 **Missouri, and that's all I can speak for is Missouri,** 12 **is poised for growth. They will absolutely, absolutely** 13 **meet those limits.** 14 **Again, I thank everyone who's here. In the** 15 **parking lot, there are displays. There are folks here** 16 **supporting. There is going to be a lot of people here** 17 **today. There are people here supporting the RFS and** 18 **the limits that Congress initially intended.** 19 **Thank you.** 20 **(Applause.)** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Thank you** 22 **very much. We're really honored to have you here today**

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1 **to tell us what you think.** 2 **Thank you for not holding back.** 3 **(Laughter.)** 4 **(Pause.)** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Ladies and gentlemen, we're going** 6 **to take a 5-minute recess right now. We'll begin in 5** 7 **minutes.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **(Recess.)** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Could I have Panel 9 make their way** 11 **up to the on-deck circle over there, as things go** 12 **along? And we'll go ahead and start with, I guess,** 13 **Charles Norris?** 14 **MR. NORRIS: Good morning. My name is Charlie** 15 **Norris, a corn and soybean farmer from Cerro Gordo** 16 **County in north central Iowa, and I am one of the** 17 **family farmers and ethanol investors that Governor** 18 **Branstad spoke of.** 19 **I want to thank EPA for coming to the Midwest to** 20 **hear from those who are directly affected by the** 21 **decisions by EPA and this administration. I serve on** 22 **the board of directors for the Iowa Farm Bureau, and** Page 108

1 **I'm here today on behalf of our 159,000 member** 2 **families.** 3 **As a farmer, I have seen firsthand how homegrown** 4 **domestic biofuels production has resulted in economic** 5 **gains for my operation and for rural communities across** 6 **the State of Iowa. Currently, Iowa leads the nation in** 7 **biofuels production. In 2014, Iowa produced a record** 8 **3.9 billion gallons of clean-burning ethanol,** 9 **accounting for roughly 27 percent of the country's** 10 **production.** 11 **Iowa also produced 227 million gallons of** 12 **biodiesel. We are home to 43 ethanol refineries, 2 of** 13 **which are state-of-the-art cellulosic ethanol** 14 **facilities. Biofuel refiners in Iowa and across the** 15 **country have created essential markets for the corn and** 16 **soybeans I grow on my farm.** 17 **Following two consecutive record years for corn** 18 **production and another good year in the works, the** 19 **price of corn is far below the cost of production and** 20 **may remain there for several years. Now is not the** 21 **time to stray away from the commitment of the RFS as it** 22 **was passed by Congress.**

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1 **This proposed rule decreases the demand and** 2 **further harms the economic outlook for my operation and** 3 **operations like mine across Iowa and the country. We** 4 **need to maintain a strong RFS that follows the intent** 5 **of the law that was passed by Congress.** 6 **Unfortunately, the EPA is now using the lack of** 7 **infrastructure as an excuse for setting biofuels levels** 8 **lower than originally mandated. The EPA should not** 9 **call the difficulties associated with blending higher** 10 **than 10 percent a blend wall and then call that a** 11 **supply issue.** 12 **The renewable fuels industry has more than enough** 13 **capacity to produce in excess of the volumes that were** 14 **specifically laid out in the law. EPA's rationale for** 15 **this proposed rule is based on a flawed methodology** 16 **that will never allow biofuels to exceed approximately** 17 **10 percent of the market share. This flies in the face** 18 **of the law's intent to push infrastructure investments** 19 **to increase market access for biofuels.** 20 **Consumers will always pick the best and most** 21 **affordable option at the fuel pump. The clean-burning** 22 **domestic biofuels, which have lower emissions, higher Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **octane, and a lower price at the pump, will be the** 2 **choice of consumers if higher blends are allowed market** 3 **access.** 4 **The RFS has already met and surpasses all of its** 5 **intended goals, and the EPA should continue to follow** 6 **the volumes specified in the law. The RFS is good for** 7 **farmers, good for the environment, good for jobs and** 8 **the economy, good for rural communities, and good for** 9 **consumers' pocketbooks.** 10 **Do not cave to protectionists who seek to close** 11 **off competition by blocking market access and limiting** 12 **consumer choice. Uphold the intent of the RFS and** 13 **revise its proposed rule.** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Rudnicki?** 16 **MR. RUDNICKI: Thank you for this opportunity to** 17 **have this conversation with you.** 18 **I'm Tim Rudnicki, executive director of the** 19 **Minnesota Biofuels Association.** 20 **"We must not make a scarecrow of the law, setting** 21 **it up to fear the birds of prey and let it keep one** 22 **shape until custom make it their perch and not their**

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1 **terror." The EPA's proposed renewable volume** 2 **obligations come nearly 412 years after Shakespeare** 3 **wrote those words in "Measure for Measure." Here's the** 4 **connection to the situation we face today.** 5 **Congress, after much deliberation, crafted the** 6 **renewable fuel standard. It has been the law of the** 7 **land for 8 years. It was established with the** 8 **unequivocal purpose of moving us as a nation away from** 9 **finite, carbon-intensive fossil fuels, petroleum, and** 10 **onto a changing incremental pathway toward greater use** 11 **of biofuels made from renewable ingredients.** 12 **The EPA's consistent refusal to fully adhere to** 13 **and implement the black letter renewable volume** 14 **obligations has given the renewable fuel standard one** 15 **shape, the shape of a bogus, fictitious blend wall,** 16 **which has become the petroleum industry's perch rather** 17 **than its terror.** 18 **While the EPA cites lack of infrastructure as an** 19 **excuse to backslide on the RVOs, the agency ignores** 20 **reality and sends a conflicting message to stakeholders** 21 **in the fuel supply chain. The EPA, however, can get it** 22 **right this time. Adhere to the law and reckon with the** Page 112

1 **infrastructure facts in the field.** 2 **According to findings from the National Renewable** 3 **Energy Laboratory, most existing fuel storage and** 4 **dispensing infrastructure can already handle up to 15** 5 **percent blend of ethanol and 85 petroleum gasoline.** 6 **Nearly 9 out of 10 vehicles on the road today can use** 7 **E15, 5 percent more ethanol than currently in regular** 8 **gasoline, and that's been the case since 2012.** 9 **But here we are today. The EPA has the** 10 **opportunity to get it right, and we all have the** 11 **opportunity to replicate effective models to get the** 12 **job done.** 13 **Using the results of independent studies and with** 14 **the expectation that the EPA will uphold the RVOs,** 15 **Minnesota legislators worked to craft a bill to** 16 **introduce an additional 160 million gallons of ethanol** 17 **into the fuel supply chain. And Governor Dayton** 18 **recently signed the bill into law, and it would assist** 19 **a limited number of retailers in making appropriate** 20 **low-cost adjustments to their fuel-dispensing equipment** 21 **so they can offer E15 to consumers.** 22 **This action, especially if replicated across the**

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1 **country, would help us to meet or exceed the RVOs and** 2 **provide significant environmental benefits. And just** 3 **to provide a bit of Minnesota context, Dr. Mueller with** 4 **the University of Illinois-Chicago determined that the** 5 **additional 5 percent ethanol in the Minnesota fuel** 6 **supply alone will further reduce greenhouse gas** 7 **emissions by 358,000 metric tons annually. And that's** 8 **equivalent to taking about 75,368 vehicles off the** 9 **highways for a year.** 10 **To sustain this progress, to the EPA we say change** 11 **your custom and practice. Don't roll back the** 12 **renewable volume obligations at this time. Instead,** 13 **maintain and enforce the renewable volume obligations** 14 **in the law.** 15 **EPA's adherence to the law will give all of us the** 16 **certainty we need in Minnesota and across this nation** 17 **to continue making the necessary local policy and** 18 **equipment adjustments to fulfill the letter and the** 19 **intent of the renewable fuel standard.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Ms. Lin?** 22 **MS. LIN: My name is Janine Lin, and I live in Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Davis, California. I'm a research scientist working at** 2 **a global company called Novozymes.** 3 **Novozymes vision is to find biological solutions** 4 **for better life in a growing world. We have brought** 5 **breakthroughs in renewable fuel technologies to market.** 6 **I'm testifying in support of the renewable fuel** 7 **standard. I support a strong Federal RFS because** 8 **increasing domestic renewable fuel leads to lower** 9 **greenhouse gas emissions, ensure market access to** 10 **cheaper, clean, low-carbon alternatives to oil, and, as** 11 **in my case, created more American jobs.** 12 **In the recently proposed rule for 2014, '15, and** 13 **'16, the EPA has proposed reducing the oil industry's** 14 **obligation to blend renewable fuels in gasoline. The** 15 **proposal directly contradicts the EPA's other efforts** 16 **to reduce greenhouse gas emission.** 17 **If finalized, the proposal would increase** 18 **greenhouse gas emission by almost 10 million metric** 19 **tons, the same effect as putting 2.1 million more cars** 20 **on the road. It also pulls the rug out from under the** 21 **American workers, such as me, who have built the** 22 **biofuel industry.**

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1 **Renewable biofuels are the cleanest and most** 2 **sustainable liquid transportation fuels in the world,** 3 **and the United States is currently the leading** 4 **producer. These fuels are available today because of** 5 **the RFS.** 6 **Novozymes is devoted to developing technology that** 7 **would enable a more sustainable bio-based economy using** 8 **renewable products rather than petroleum. We started** 9 **this effort 15 years ago. Since 2000, we have put 150** 10 **scientists globally to develop technology to enable the** 11 **cellulosic ethanol industry. It's the largest effort** 12 **in our R&D history, demonstrating our commitment to** 13 **build this industry.** 14 **Besides our own investment, we also receive** 15 **Government funding from Department of Energy in a total** 16 **of $28 million since 2000. Our R&D site in Davis,** 17 **California, grew from 35 to 100 people, largely due to** 18 **the RFS and the Federal investment in biofuels.** 19 **I personally started involved in this effort since** 20 **2007. It was a difficult project at the time because** 21 **technology wasn't cost effective. With a sense of** 22 **pride and tremendous hard work, we made significant** Page 116

1 **scientific breakthroughs and now the technology is** 2 **here. You can see the results in the cellulosic plants** 3 **that have come online now.** 4 **It will be deflating to have solved the technology** 5 **barriers and solve the infrastructure barriers only to** 6 **see the industry stalled by policy instability around** 7 **renewable fuels. In the final rule, the EPA should** 8 **require obligated parties to comply with the law by** 9 **blending increasing volumes of renewable fuels.** 10 **Please support American jobs, a cleaner** 11 **environment, and greater national security. Please** 12 **support a stable RFS. The RFS works.** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Faller?** 15 **MR. FALLER: Good morning. My name is Jeff** 16 **Faller, and I live in Platte City, Missouri, and I'm** 17 **testifying in support of the renewable fuel standard.** 18 **And I hope you'll consider my comments when making your** 19 **decision.** 20 **For 16 years, I've led Novozymes sales efforts in** 21 **the biofuel industry. Today, I pose two questions for** 22 **the panel.**

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1 **Are we playing to win? That is, to hit the RFS2** 2 **targets by using our collective ingenuity and best** 3 **efforts. Or are we just playing to play, giving lip** 4 **service to the RFS, foot dragging, and thereby avoiding** 5 **the changes that are necessary to comply with the law?** 6 **Let's look at what the EPA Web site says about the** 7 **purpose of the RFS. "The EISA increased the volume of** 8 **the renewable fuel required to be blended into** 9 **transportation fuel from 9 billion gallons in 2008 to** 10 **36 billion gallons by 2022. And RFS2 lays the** 11 **foundation for achieving significant reductions of** 12 **greenhouse gas emissions from the use of renewable** 13 **fuels, for reducing imported petroleum, and encouraging** 14 **the development and expansion of our nation's renewable** 15 **fuel sector."** 16 **This visionary energy policy sets the path for us** 17 **to follow. It has bold, winning aspirations. Reduce** 18 **greenhouse gas emissions, reduce imported petroleum,** 19 **and encourage development and expansion of our nation's** 20 **renewable fuel sector.** 21 **How are any of these objectives not good for** 22 **America? To get to 36 billion gallons of fuel, the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **framers of the law surely envisioned that we, as** 2 **consumers, as the petroleum and biofuel industry, as** 3 **auto manufacturers, and as governmental and regulatory** 4 **agencies, would do things differently than we were** 5 **doing in 2007 when the RFS was enacted.** 6 **RFS2 did not lay out all of the specifics of how** 7 **we would go about achieving this winning aspiration,** 8 **but the RFS2 is clear. Thirty-six billion gallons by** 9 **2022.** 10 **Ten years ago, RFS1 set initial targets for** 11 **biofuel blending. Eight years ago, RFS2 set increased** 12 **targets. These targets are no surprise. Everyone has** 13 **had the opportunity to invest and commit to these** 14 **targets.** 15 **In the final rule, the EPA should require** 16 **obligated parties to comply with the law by blending** 17 **increased volumes of renewable fuels. Please support** 18 **the RFS. The RFS works.** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Abby Bertz, are you** 20 **next?** 21 **MS. BERTZ: Good morning. I am Abby Bertz. I** 22 **live in Mayview, Missouri, and am an active member in**

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1 **the FFA, where I currently serve as Area 6 president.** 2 **Today, in previous panels we have heard a lot** 3 **about sons coming back to the farm. But also important** 4 **to remember are the financially healthy farms bringing** 5 **daughters back as well.** 6 **I am speaking in support of the renewable fuel** 7 **standard, and I hope you will consider my comments when** 8 **making your decision.** 9 **We need a renewable replacement to fossil fuels** 10 **that will keep our economy standing strong and protect** 11 **the family budget. The ethanol industry supports the** 12 **consumer, industrial manufacturing, grain producers,** 13 **transporters, and companies leading technological** 14 **advancements to further prove and enhance this** 15 **renewable fuel.** 16 **For every 100 million gallons produced, 2,000 jobs** 17 **are created. According to the Energy Future Coalition,** 18 **the U.S. saw a $16.8 billion economic impact in our** 19 **nation's gross domestic product this past year due** 20 **solely to the production of ethanol.** 21 **As a child of parents that both contribute to the** 22 **ethanol, grain, and livestock industries, I see** Page 120

1 **firsthand the jobs the industry supports. If our** 2 **country's families can find jobs within the industry** 3 **and take advantage of the cost-effective resource, we** 4 **will, in turn, see economic relief and economic** 5 **expansion due to a higher disposable income, ultimately** 6 **saving consumers.** 7 **The benefits of ethanol span further than just the** 8 **economy. It also includes a positive impact on our** 9 **environment. With a society that seems to understand** 10 **the value of sustaining our planet, it is interesting** 11 **that the idea of gasoline alternatives aiding in** 12 **environmental progress often goes overlooked.** 13 **Ethanol serves as a high-octane, high-performing** 14 **fuel. Ethanol emits 51 percent fewer greenhouse gases** 15 **than gasoline and 34 percent fewer carbon dioxin** 16 **emissions, as studied by the Renewable Fuels** 17 **Association. With ethanol, we can breathe easier.** 18 **Know you're using a cleaner, high-performing fuel.** 19 **In today's society, we are all looking for better** 20 **alternatives and new technologies. With the reliable,** 21 **renewable raw material source grown in every State,** 22 **ethanol is a 100 percent made in the USA product.**

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1 **I firmly believe in a product that supports our** 2 **local growers, continues to decrease fuel cost, is** 3 **environmentally friendly, and supports job growth. An** 4 **industry that supports us all is surely one to embrace.** 5 **I strongly support a stable RFS and ask that you** 6 **change the final proposal to comply with the existing** 7 **law. The RFS works for America and American families.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Laura?** 10 **MS. WILLIS: Hi. My name is Laura Willis, and I** 11 **live in Salem, Virginia. I'm a scientist working at** 12 **Novozymes.** 13 **I am testifying in support of the renewable fuel** 14 **standard, and I hope you will consider my comments when** 15 **you make your final decision.** 16 **I support a strong Federal RFS because increase in** 17 **domestic renewable fuel will help lower greenhouse gas** 18 **emissions, create more jobs for Americans, and in turn** 19 **strengthen our national security. It will also set an** 20 **example for others to follow, as an American commitment** 21 **to renewables will speak loudly to the rest of the** 22 **world. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Last year, I received my master's degree in food** 2 **science and starting working at Novozymes, which is a** 3 **company that has made a point to invest in technologies** 4 **that will make a positive impact on our planet, which** 5 **includes biofuels. These investments have generated** 6 **significant growth, and there have been many new hires** 7 **since I started in November, including more** 8 **enthusiastic young graduates.** 9 **It is exciting to be able to work towards** 10 **improving technologies that will help our planet after** 11 **growing up amid constant news about the problems caused** 12 **by greenhouse gas emissions and our frightening** 13 **dependence on nonrenewable fuel sources.** 14 **Renewable biofuels are, as Janine said, the** 15 **cleanest and most sustainable liquid transportation** 16 **fuel in the world, and the U.S. is currently the** 17 **leading producer. And these fuels are available today** 18 **because of the RFS.** 19 **I would also like to mention the other people that** 20 **are affected by the unstable RFS, people that may not** 21 **be as fortunate as myself and all of us here to come to** 22 **this hearing. These people are hard working, and they**

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1 **want a better future for both themselves and America.** 2 **These people are like my older brother, who is a** 3 **pipefitter in my hometown in Indiana, who was laid off** 4 **for 2 years because an ethanol plant being built in our** 5 **hometown was shut down before it even finished. It** 6 **closed because of the lack of commitment given to** 7 **creating a stable RFS.** 8 **As a recent graduate with the opportunity for** 9 **working for a company invested in biofuel, I can attest** 10 **that a stable RFS gives us hope for a better, cleaner** 11 **future. A stable RFS will not only work, but provide** 12 **work for others.** 13 **The Environmental Protection Agency should live up** 14 **to its name and help protect the environment from the** 15 **proven damages of reliance on nonrenewables. The EPA** 16 **should require obligated parties to comply with the law** 17 **by blending increasing volumes of renewable fuels.** 18 **Please support American jobs. Please support our** 19 **planet. Please support a stable RFS. The RFS works.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much, Panel 7. And if** 21 **we could have then Panel 9 make their way up, and Panel** 22 **11 make their way at your leisure, I guess, into the** Page 124

1 **on-deck circle.** 2 **(Pause.)** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: It doesn't matter. I've got an** 4 **order here, but --** 5 **(Laughter.)** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Why don't we go ahead** 7 **with -- oops, with Steve Wilcox?** 8 **MR. WILCOX: My name is Steve Wilcox, and I am the** 9 **CEO, a majority stockholder of a family-owned petroleum** 10 **distribution business with 63 years of existence based** 11 **in the State of Washington. As an independent** 12 **petroleum marketer, I am -- I buy from 20 different** 13 **suppliers and distribute to over 7,000 resellers and** 14 **end-users in four western States.** 15 **In 2008, I became a partner with a substantial** 16 **personal investment -- I'm a stockholder, board of** 17 **director member -- in a startup company called U.S.** 18 **Ethanol. My part of the business plan was to establish** 19 **50 to 75 E85 retail pumps among the 180 retail stations** 20 **that I owned or supplied.** 21 **We created an image, a logo, which were both** 22 **trademarked. I started a test of nine locations with**

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1 **E85. One along the Washington coast, one at a Pacific** 2 **Pride cardlock convention, one a totally rebranded** 3 **alternative fuel station, three were with Shell-branded** 4 **stations, and three with Texaco-branded stations.** 5 **The effort received very favorable press, and we** 6 **won a beautification award from Cowlitz County. I was** 7 **excited to be on the cutting edge and sold my Chevrolet** 8 **diesel pickup with 60,000 miles and bought a new** 9 **Avalanche flex-fuel vehicle.** 10 **The station had a grand opening, and we placed ads** 11 **in the paper and on the radio and priced E85 below all** 12 **other gasoline in the county. We had a good amount of** 13 **traffic and pumped 20,000 gallons a month right away.** 14 **However, the bubble burst quickly. Sales stopped** 15 **growing and then began to decline. The mileage was a** 16 **big factor, as the lower BTUs caused a 25 percent** 17 **reduction in mileage.** 18 **Even with the street price 25 percent lower, our** 19 **sales started to fall. The inconvenience of having to** 20 **fill up more often was a big drawback. Mileage was** 21 **even worse on my Avalanche, getting just 11.4 miles per** 22 **gallon in city driving versus 16 miles per gallon with Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **E10.** 2 **City fire marshals were not willing to permit E10** 3 **pumps converted and tanks to E85. I seemed to be the** 4 **only marketer that was placing E85 pumps in the State,** 5 **and therefore, they were too far apart.** 6 **On our flagship station in 2008, our peak month** 7 **was 21,000 gallons. In 2010, we were down to 7,000** 8 **gallons per month, and this year we are pumping 700** 9 **gallons a month. All locations experienced the same** 10 **experience or worse.** 11 **Quickly, the product was removed from the Pacific** 12 **Pride cardlock and the branded stations took E85 out of** 13 **service and replaced it with low-sulfur highway diesel** 14 **fuel. I have two stations still pumping E85. Airport** 15 **Texaco, which is located along I-5, pumped 1,469** 16 **gallons in May, and the Longview Alternative Fuel** 17 **Station pumped 697 gallons of E85 in May.** 18 **There is little public demand for the product and** 19 **still a very small percentage of flex-fuel vehicles on** 20 **the road in our county. Other issues that may have --** 21 **that make this product difficult for a marketer like us** 22 **to sell on the wholesale level is that ethanol-approved**

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1 **tanks and piping and dispensers are very expensive. If** 2 **an existing tank and its piping are not compatible,** 3 **putting in E85 is cost prohibitive.** 4 **We believe there's a lot of liability to the** 5 **marketer and retailer. Many people are not aware if** 6 **they have a flex-fuel vehicle and will put E85 in a** 7 **nonflex vehicle.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: If you could --** 9 **MR. WILCOX: There's also liability of the leaks** 10 **of gasket material if not compatible, especially in** 11 **used equipment.** 12 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Wilcox, if you could wrap up** 13 **quickly, please?** 14 **MR. WILCOX: No one has tried harder in the** 15 **Northwest than I to make E85 work. The ethanol plant** 16 **was never built. E85 has proven to be very hard to** 17 **sell and even when priced well below E10.** 18 **Thank you.** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. Paige Anderson,** 20 **please?** 21 **MS. ANDERSON: Thank you for the opportunity to** 22 **provide comments on the proposed RFS volume mandates** Page 128

1 **for 2014, 2015, and 2016.** 2 **My name is Paige Anderson, and I'm with the** 3 **National Association of Convenience Stores. NACS will** 4 **be submitting joint written testimony with the Society** 5 **of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America, but I** 6 **briefly would like to summarize a couple points from** 7 **our retailers' perspective.** 8 **First of all, I want to provide a quick industry** 9 **profile. In 2014, there were over 127,000 convenience** 10 **stores that sold motor fuels. We sell over 80 percent** 11 **of the motor fuels in the United States.** 12 **Eighty-six percent of these retailers have 10** 13 **stores or less. Sixty percent of these stores are** 14 **single store operators. So NACS represents both the** 15 **larger chains, but also mid-size, and definitely** 16 **predominantly, we're single store and small store** 17 **operators.** 18 **Our sole objective on the part of our retailers is** 19 **to sell fuels that their customers want to buy. They** 20 **want to be able to sell fuels lawfully with minimal** 21 **volatility and risk, especially with new fuels. The** 22 **concept of "build it, and they will come" just does not**

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1 **apply in our industry.** 2 **Our folks are essentially agnostic when it comes** 3 **to fuel type. They just want to sell what the consumer** 4 **wants to buy.** 5 **With respect to the EPA proposal, first of all,** 6 **thank you for all the hard work that you've provided.** 7 **We think, NACS believes that you've provided a balanced** 8 **approach and took all stakeholders' views into** 9 **consideration. So we support this draft proposal and** 10 **hope that it becomes final by November.** 11 **The one element that we definitely appreciate is** 12 **when you viewed supply and took into consideration** 13 **market conditions, which is what needs to happen, and** 14 **to bring the volumes that were in statute in line with** 15 **the market realities of what's happening. You didn't** 16 **look just at production supply. You actually are** 17 **trying to look at what the market can absorb, and** 18 **that's really the most important thing that can happen** 19 **in this proposal is what can the market reasonably** 20 **absorb?** 21 **One of our concerns in going forward is that if** 22 **E85 is the predominant fuel to actually meet the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **statute obligations, there still remains some** 2 **challenges in having higher blends of ethanol. Other** 3 **witnesses are going to talk about equipment** 4 **compatibility, misfueling liability issues. There are** 5 **still pricing issues on the part of E85 because people** 6 **have to refuel so much.** 7 **You can't just look at a gallon-by-gallon, one** 8 **fill-up matching one fill-up. You have to look at the** 9 **-- you have to take into consideration that you're** 10 **going to be filling up more.** 11 **The expense of, you know, looking forward, you** 12 **know, the reality is it's going to be our larger** 13 **producers, and it's going to be those folks that are** 14 **looking at new sites and putting in new equipment that** 15 **are going to be able to meet the compatibility and the** 16 **liability requirements.** 17 **Because of those barriers, it may be overly** 18 **optimistic to assume that E85 is going to be the** 19 **panacea in being able to meet future volumes. So we** 20 **look forward to the fact that if you continue to look** 21 **at what the market can reasonably absorb, then we're** 22 **not going to get into trouble with a blend wall or**

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1 **other issues.** 2 **And we also want you to look at driver** 3 **demographics. The fact of it is people are driving** 4 **less, partially because of CAFE standards and other** 5 **improvements. Drivers are older. The younger** 6 **millennials we're seeing are not getting their driver's** 7 **licenses as soon as -- you know, we used to want to get** 8 **it at 16. Now they want to get it at 20.** 9 **So with the fact that the consumers are driving** 10 **less, that's going to be another factor to take into** 11 **consideration. And finally, looking at flex-fuel** 12 **vehicles, with the tax credit going away, there may be** 13 **less incentive to purchase that.** 14 **Our retailers are going to go to the highest** 15 **concentration of registrations where there's flex-fuel** 16 **vehicles. That's where they're going to build E85** 17 **stations and E15 and higher blends of ethanol.** 18 **But all in all, we support the proposal. We're** 19 **going to go in more detail in our written testimony on** 20 **these, and thank you for all the hard work that you're** 21 **doing on this.** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Leone?** Page 132

1 **MR. LEONE: Good morning. My name is Ron Leone.** 2 **I'm the executive director of the Missouri Petroleum** 3 **Marketers and Convenience Store Association. I'm here** 4 **today as a representative of the Petroleum Marketers** 5 **Association of America, and it's my understanding that** 6 **they have submitted some detailed comments.** 7 **PMAA supports the proposed 2014 and '15 mandates** 8 **and is grateful that the EPA has acknowledged that most** 9 **existing gas station equipment is not made or warranted** 10 **to store or dispense ethanol blends greater than 10** 11 **percent. PMAA has concerns with the proposed 2016** 12 **ethanol mandate and would prefer a volume below the 14** 13 **billion gallons that will not breach the 10 percent** 14 **ethanol blend wall. PMAA supports the proposed** 15 **biodiesel mandates.** 16 **Now two issues must be addressed before retailers,** 17 **which is who I primarily represent in Missouri, can** 18 **sell ethanol blends greater than 10 percent. You have** 19 **equipment compatibility, and you have misfueling** 20 **liability.** 21 **Equipment compatibility. Your EPA regulations, no** 22 **matter how well intentioned or substantiated, cannot**

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1 **change the fact that most gas station equipment --** 2 **tanks, pumps, piping, et cetera -- and cars are not** 3 **made or warranted to store or dispense ethanol blends** 4 **greater than 10 percent or made or warranted to use** 5 **ethanol blends greater than 10 percent.** 6 **Replacing the cost -- replacing the equipment at** 7 **gas stations and convenience stores is extraordinarily** 8 **costly, would add massively to pump prices in order to** 9 **pass those costs on to consumers, and would force a lot** 10 **of rural retailers to close because the cost is** 11 **prohibitive.** 12 **Conversion of existing UST systems is all but** 13 **impossible because we don't have the underlying** 14 **manufacturer's warranties, the manufacturer's** 15 **certifications. And if we do that, we're actually** 16 **going to be in violation of State regulations and** 17 **Federal regulations, OSHA regulations, stuff like that.** 18 **RINs, we often hear a lot about RINs. They're not** 19 **going to lure retailers into purchasing E15-compatible** 20 **equipment because 95 percent of gasoline is preblended,** 21 **and therefore at the terminal and therefore generates** 22 **no RINs dollars for the retailers. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **A bit about misfueling liability. The conflict** 2 **between the EPA and car manufacturers regarding the** 3 **safe use of E15 in 2001 in newer nonflex-fuel vehicles** 4 **creates customer confusion, will result in misfueling,** 5 **engine damage, and the voiding of vehicle warranties.** 6 **Who's going to be responsible for the consequences of** 7 **that inevitable misfueling?** 8 **Let me summarize because I see my time is short.** 9 **PMAA and my own organization in Missouri, we support** 10 **ethanol. It's an important liquid motor fuel. It** 11 **helps reduce our reliance on crude oil from potentially** 12 **unstable countries. It supports agriculture, as you've** 13 **heard a lot today, and it helps moderate pump prices.** 14 **However, your mandates, your rules with respect to** 15 **the RFS must match the reality of the marketplace.** 16 **What can we physically do in the marketplace to** 17 **implement your policy?** 18 **Please don't breach the 10 percent ethanol blend** 19 **wall until equipment compatibility and misfueling** 20 **issues have been address, or you're going to create** 21 **chaos in the marketplace, and you're going to end up** 22 **hurting consumers and the people I represent, the small**

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1 **business owners who run most of the gas stations and** 2 **convenience stores in Missouri.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. Mr. Garner?** 5 **MR. GARNER: Good morning. My name is Todd** 6 **Garner. I'm the CEO and president of Protec Fuel** 7 **Management. I want to thank you for the opportunity to** 8 **be heard today.** 9 **Protec Fuel Management manages fuel supplies to** 10 **retailers, municipalities, State fleets, and public** 11 **companies. Protec currently is the largest provider of** 12 **E85 and E15 outside the Midwest and currently blends** 13 **and distributes E85 to over 300 existing stations and** 14 **fleets in the southeast United States.** 15 **Protec's goal since the inception of the RFS has** 16 **been to educate the retailers -- I'm sorry. Hold on.** 17 **Has been to -- inception of the RFS has been to** 18 **educate the retailers and the consumers to the** 19 **advantages of E85 and higher blends, with a goal of** 20 **offering E85 and now E15 to those consumers and** 21 **retailers who demand the fuel but needed the help with** 22 **the procurement and station infrastructure.** Page 136

1 **It's not been an easy road the last few years.** 2 **First, the loss of the VEETC credit and now the** 3 **potential reduction of the RFS threatens to unwind** 4 **years of advancing E85 and higher-blend ethanol to** 5 **those who demand it. It's mentioned lately by the API** 6 **and other organizations that there is no demand for** 7 **these fuels, and consumers just don't want the product.** 8 **The reason they claim there's no demand is because** 9 **big oil is threatening their retailers who want to sell** 10 **E85 and E15 with lawsuits. I have at least one letter** 11 **from every single major oil company threatening my** 12 **customers if they proceed forward in selling the fuel,** 13 **and for those who took the risk and are currently** 14 **selling the fuel, make them take it out.** 15 **The bottom line is that the American people want** 16 **cheaper, cleaner fuel, but they're being robbed of that** 17 **opportunity. We're just starting to make real** 18 **progress, and this change in the RFS could derail it.** 19 **The success is already obvious in our existing** 20 **sites, with substantial growth on a year-by-year basis.** 21 **In the 40 stations that we've opened in the last year,** 22 **we've seen an increase of a 20 percent growth in each**

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1 **of those stations in both E15 and E85.** 2 **Protec currently has over 400 shovel-ready** 3 **stations that have requested the installation and** 4 **infrastructure so they can meet the demands of their** 5 **current customers. The potential change will have a** 6 **great effect on the industry's growth.** 7 **It's been stated many times that the RIN does not** 8 **affect the value of E10 nor regular gasoline, but** 9 **that's not the case in higher-blend fuels like E85.** 10 **Keeping the current RFS in place will allow the RIN to** 11 **determine the market value and, in turn, provides a** 12 **value that allows E85 and higher blends to grow. For** 13 **the E85 side of the industry, increased RIN values have** 14 **taken the place of the VEETC, helping reduce the cost** 15 **of E85 and more places to fuel for the consumer.** 16 **The current value of the RINs prior to the** 17 **announcement of the reduction has allowed Protec to** 18 **continue to meet consumer demand and provide a fuel** 19 **that's economically good for the consumer and the** 20 **environment. The reduction of RIN values of at least** 21 **35 cents since the announcement has now seriously** 22 **jeopardized years of growth and the likelihood that the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **400 stations that we have waiting to be converted will** 2 **be affected.** 3 **There are many other projects that can be** 4 **affected, and I'm here today to represent those who** 5 **could not be here. This increase in the price of E85** 6 **and other high-blend fuels will affect the consumers** 7 **who currently buy it and the long-term growth of** 8 **advancing alternative fuels that have been in the** 9 **current business.** 10 **I've been in the fuel business for over 30 years** 11 **and have witnessed market dynamics. And they are a** 12 **better way to determine the outcome than by** 13 **consistently changing the numbers to fit the current** 14 **market. Had we not had the financial meltdown in 2008,** 15 **the loss of demand because of it, we would not be** 16 **probably having this conversation today.** 17 **Our view is the EPA had it right the first time.** 18 **Demand is already nearing all-time highs as a part of** 19 **our current economic recovery. I ask the EPA to keep** 20 **the RFS as it was originally designed and let the** 21 **potential growth in higher-blended fuels create the** 22 **change on its own.**

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1 **Please consider the effects of the reduction on** 2 **future growth and value added in providing cleaner** 3 **burning fuel to the American public.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Stookey?** 6 **MR. STOOKEY: Well, thank you very much.** 7 **My name is Randy Stookey, and I serve as vice** 8 **president of Renew Kansas. Renew Kansas is the** 9 **representative voice of the Kansas ethanol industry,** 10 **and our mission is to promote ethanol fuels and to** 11 **demonstrate the positive effects of our industry and** 12 **ethanol on consumers and the economy.** 13 **Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to be** 14 **here today and speak with you.** 15 **We believe that the EPA's proposed renewable** 16 **volume obligation fails to implement the standard set** 17 **forth by Congress within the Clean Air Act clearly and** 18 **takes an overly broad interpretation of its waiver** 19 **authority, as has been stated repeatedly today. And** 20 **that's a very important issue that I know that you've** 21 **looked into, but we would ask that you review again and** 22 **look into it more closely.** Page 140

1 **When this legislation was originally passed,** 2 **Congress was well aware of the RFS goals that require** 3 **the increased use of higher blends of renewable fuel.** 4 **However, the EPA's proposed rule as it stands today** 5 **will not provide consumers with the intended level of** 6 **access to those renewable fuels.** 7 **In fact, the proposed rule would create more** 8 **uncertainty in the alternative fuels market with the** 9 **negative effect of freezing future investments into the** 10 **market. Clearly, not a goal of either Congress or the** 11 **EPA. It's an unintended consequence.** 12 **Alternatively, the full RFS, as established by** 13 **Congress within the Clean Air Act, will allow industry** 14 **to break through the current blend wall through** 15 **continued investment in the new technologies and** 16 **infrastructure. Higher-blend ethanol fuels are both** 17 **legal and viable options today in which to break** 18 **through the blend wall and should be promoted through** 19 **the RFS, not hampered.** 20 **We all know, as is commonly known, the RFS is** 21 **America's most successful energy policy within the last** 22 **40 years. It has helped to enhance our national**

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1 **security, diversify our fuel supply, protected our** 2 **environment by reducing our carbon footprint, increased** 3 **demand for farm products across the Midwest, reduced** 4 **cost for consumers at the pump, created jobs around the** 5 **country, and helped to reduce our nation's dependence** 6 **on foreign oil by more than 50 percent since 2005.** 7 **Clearly, a success.** 8 **We would ask that we move our nation forward with** 9 **the allowance of higher-blend fuels, of renewable fuels** 10 **at the pump. EPA's final rule should promote the RFS** 11 **volume obligations as set forth by Congress in the** 12 **Clean Air Act, and we look forward to working with the** 13 **EPA to achieve that goal.** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 9.** 16 **If we could have Panel 11 make their way up, and** 17 **Panel 13, if you could make -- get yourselves ready to** 18 **follow up on the next panel?** 19 **(Pause.)** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: And if we could go ahead and get** 21 **started, Mr. Clement?** 22 **MR. CLEMENT: Thank you. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **My name is Conrad Clement of Clement Farms,** 2 **Cresco, Iowa, and Spring Valley, Minnesota.** 3 **My sons and I farm around 35,000 acres, creating** 4 **17,500 acres of corn in Minnesota, Iowa, and South** 5 **Dakota. We are also invested in seven ethanol plants** 6 **in Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Nearly** 7 **all of our corn produced is sold directly or indirectly** 8 **for ethanol production.** 9 **The RFS is America's most successful energy policy** 10 **in the last 40 years, and the EPA is threatening to** 11 **tear it apart. The ethanol industry supports nearly** 12 **400,000 jobs and accounts for nearly $53 billion of our** 13 **nation's GDP. Yes, that's billion, with a "B."** 14 **By cutting the volumes of ethanol and other** 15 **biofuels, the EPA is ensuring higher prices at the pump** 16 **for American consumers, lower prices for corn paid to** 17 **farmers, resulting in less Federal and State income tax** 18 **paid to the government. Ethanol gives the United** 19 **States the only chance to be energy self-sufficient** 20 **that we have ever had since we began importing foreign** 21 **oil years ago.** 22 **And if the RFS is diminished and this possibility**

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1 **will be gone forever. This is a once-in-a-lifetime** 2 **opportunity to take advantage of the circumstances,** 3 **take the bull by the horns and do what's right for** 4 **America and the American people. The ethanol industry** 5 **answered the call and made the investment necessary to** 6 **produce the necessary volumes of renewable fuels to** 7 **meet the ambitious goals of the RFS.** 8 **Only by increasing the levels of renewable fuel,** 9 **along with the increased production of domestic oil,** 10 **can we break our nation's dangerous addiction to** 11 **foreign oil. Ethanol production has provided an** 12 **essential market for our nation's grain farmers and has** 13 **revitalized rural communities around the country while** 14 **saving taxpayers billions, again with a "B," billions** 15 **of dollars in farm program payments.** 16 **It is time for the EPA to endorse the RFS as it** 17 **was originally designed, add the volume needed to** 18 **ensure the rollout of E15 ethanol nationwide, for the** 19 **Government to keep its word to the investors, the** 20 **farmers, and the industry. Let's do what's right for** 21 **America and the American people and not the big oil** 22 **company.** Page 144

1 **Thank you for your time.** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Schwarck?** 3 **MR. SCHWARCK: Schwarck, Rick Schwarck.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Schwarck. There we go, sir.** 5 **MR. SCHWARCK: Thank you.** 6 **My name is Rick Schwarck. I am a founder of** 7 **Absolute Energy, LLC, an ethanol facility on the Iowa** 8 **Minnesota border. We're owned by 470 local members,** 9 **most of whom are farmers. I believe we're also the** 10 **largest retailer of E85 in the Iowa-Minnesota region** 11 **directly to the retailers.** 12 **I'm trying -- I made a lot of edits here to try** 13 **and not repeat what you've heard quite often. But I've** 14 **included in my full comments from Investopedia the** 15 **definition of "supply" and "demand," okay? And I think** 16 **that's the crux of this matter.** 17 **Supply is the total amount of a specific good or** 18 **service that is available to consumers. Demand is what** 19 **everybody wants, the market, and the market needs. In** 20 **simple terms, supply is push. Demand is pull.** 21 **In my opinion, the EPA was not given the authority** 22 **to change the definition of the word "supply." Corn is**

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1 **half the value that it was 2 years ago, and corn** 2 **farmers around the world do not want to return to the** 3 **days where we have LDP payments, PIK, and Roll, nor can** 4 **our Government afford it.** 5 **A major beneficiary of the United States no longer** 6 **showing subsidized commodities to the world markets are** 7 **developing nations. This has been a major complaint of** 8 **the World Trade Organization. Google the GDP of any** 9 **developing nation from '03 to '13 and see what has** 10 **happened to them. Seventy-eight percent of the world's** 11 **poor live in rural areas and rely on agriculture for** 12 **their livelihood.** 13 **For those people who spout food versus fuel myths,** 14 **you don't help the majority of the world's poor by** 15 **paying less for the crops they grow. In '83, '93, and** 16 **2003, the GDP of Ethiopia was stuck at $8 billion. In** 17 **'13, it had exploded to $46 billion. Eighty percent of** 18 **their population rely on agriculture.** 19 **Now their ag income went from $7 billion to $23** 20 **billion, but the rest of their economy went from $1** 21 **billion to $23 billion. How? When a farmer has a** 22 **dollar, any farmers in the room, what do you do with Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **it? You spend it.** 2 **It's the economic engine that drives their** 3 **economy. If we do what we did before, as we start** 4 **selling subsidized goods on the world market, they will** 5 **have what they had before.** 6 **Now the story is the same in Kenya, Sudan, Papua** 7 **New Guinea, Peru, Colombia. I challenge anyone to** 8 **Google it. Just look at the explosion in the incomes** 9 **in these developing nations. It's available for anyone** 10 **to see. Now these numbers are not my numbers. These** 11 **come from the World Bank.** 12 **In closing, help us show you -- help us help you** 13 **show what the American worker and the American farmer** 14 **can do to provide feed, food, and fiber for the entire** 15 **world.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Schwarck.** 18 **And next we have Mr. Vander Griend? Yes? Okay.** 19 **MR. VANDER GRIEND: Thank you for the opportunity** 20 **to testify today.** 21 **My name is Nathan Vander Griend. I'm the** 22 **president and partner in a company called ERI**

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1 **Solutions, which is an environmental health and safety,** 2 **loss control, sustainability, and insurance risk** 3 **management consulting firm. We have employees, just** 4 **under 40, and we provide services in over 30 States** 5 **today.** 6 **We were started as a result of the ethanol** 7 **industry in 2003, and we've grown along with it. In** 8 **the past 5 years since ethanol tailed off a bit, we've** 9 **moved into other industries as well, including all** 10 **facets of energy, which includes oil and natural gas.** 11 **I wanted to comment a little bit. I heard it a** 12 **little bit earlier, but EPA's mission statement being** 13 **to protect human health and the environment in a** 14 **sustainable and economical fashion, using the best** 15 **available scientific information available.** 16 **Ethanol, as an alternative available today, is** 17 **made from products that are regrown every single year** 18 **and not a finite resource, making it sustainable. It** 19 **is regularly 50 cents to $1.50 cheaper per gallon than** 20 **our alternative. So those first two parts are exactly** 21 **what you want.** 22 **As for using the best available scientific** Page 148

1 **information, the Motor Vehicle Emission Simulator** 2 **Model, or MOVES model, that was rolled out in 2014 I** 3 **consider junk at best. It is based on the severely** 4 **flawed EPIC study that was led by two fuels engineers** 5 **from large oil companies.** 6 **We all learned in grade school science class that** 7 **when you perform an experiment, you have every** 8 **potential variable held constant, and you only change** 9 **one variable at a time. With this study, when more** 10 **ethanol was added, the other fuel components were** 11 **changed. They were manipulated. Should we really** 12 **believe that the more of something that you can drink** 13 **when it's added to a fuel should make it more toxic or** 14 **worse emissions?** 15 **This study and model paint a bad, untruthful** 16 **environmental picture. If the EPA is really concerned** 17 **about higher ethanol blends, why are current EPA** 18 **employees trying to patent E20 and higher ethanol** 19 **blends? It doesn't make sense.** 20 **I ask that you consider the truth, leave the** 21 **renewable fuel standard in place, dispose of the** 22 **crippling agendas of others, the misinformed puppets**

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1 **that you've heard some of today, and leave this** 2 **powerful industry that's trying to oppose the RFS out** 3 **of the equation.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Next up we have Mr.** 6 **Ross.** 7 **MR. ROSS: Thank you.** 8 **My name is Kevin Ross. I work for Fremont Water** 9 **Solutions. We are a supplier to the ethanol industry.** 10 **I just wanted to speak briefly in support of** 11 **maintaining the current standard and increased use of** 12 **ethanol based on my personal experience as a water** 13 **treatment chemist.** 14 **Our company provides products and services,** 15 **consulting services to prevent water from destroying** 16 **equipment within not just ethanol plants, but any plant** 17 **using water as an energy transfer medium. When I began** 18 **work in the industry approximately 40 years ago, my** 19 **common experience was to watch plants close and to have** 20 **less places to practice my trade.** 21 **Fremont has been involved with the ethanol** 22 **industry almost since the beginning of its growth in Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **the Midwest. We have grown right along with it. Of** 2 **the current plants in existence, we treat approximately** 3 **a third of them.** 4 **So this involves a great deal of investment for** 5 **Fremont Industries and personnel in product development** 6 **and in increased technology to provide greener** 7 **solutions to scale corrosion and biological falling** 8 **issues. And we would like to maintain that idea of** 9 **growth within this important American industry.** 10 **Thank you very much.** 11 **MR. GRUNDLER: Oh, thank you very much. Mr.** 12 **Herbon?** 13 **MR. HERBON: My name is Rob Herbon. I am** 14 **executive brand manager for Fremont Industries. I'm** 15 **based out of Shakopee, Minnesota.** 16 **The Environmental Protection Agency was formed in** 17 **1970 by Richard Nixon for the purpose of protecting** 18 **human health and the environment. Fremont Industries** 19 **is a 61-year-old privately held company located in** 20 **Minnesota with offices here in Kansas City as well. We** 21 **work to protect the environment by treating water.** 22 **Our goal is to help all types of customers, not**

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1 **just this industry, reuse and clean up their water so** 2 **that we can reduce our footprint on the environment.** 3 **We successfully helped a number of ethanol producers** 4 **reduce their water consumption down to below 3 gallons** 5 **of water per gallon of ethanol produced.** 6 **This is in stark contrast to the 1,100 gallons of** 7 **water that's been spouted. A couple years ago, I was** 8 **watching CNBC on TV, and Dylan Ratigan was hosting Fast** 9 **Money and ranted about 1,100 gallons, and "That's the** 10 **truth." I wanted to throw a brick through the TV.** 11 **He no more understood water consumption and usage** 12 **than the next guy. So he was misinformed, and that's** 13 **been some of the information that's been out in the** 14 **opposition to ethanol.** 15 **Real job creation, jobs that pay well in areas of** 16 **the country that had literally been left for dead back** 17 **in the '80s, small-town America, flyover land to those** 18 **of you on the coasts, continues to be remarkable. I've** 19 **gone through towns that would have been washed up, and** 20 **they were pretty much. It was down to where the kids** 21 **graduated from high school, and they moved to the city** 22 **because there was no jobs in rural America that paid** Page 152

1 **anything.** 2 **Ethanol and biofuels have brought that back. The** 3 **renewable fuel standard implemented by Congress has** 4 **been a great success. Unfortunately, you, the EPA, has** 5 **chosen to try and weaken this contract with America.** 6 **I, quite frankly, do not understand this** 7 **methodology. Maybe people are listening too much to** 8 **Jay Leno for his information, as he has complained** 9 **about ethanol causing potential issues with his antique** 10 **automobiles. If one of Jay's vehicles does not run** 11 **right on ethanol blend, do we open up the RFS, or** 12 **should he just get his carburetor cleaned?** 13 **In all seriousness, his issue tends to be with the** 14 **lack of choice in California. This is due to air** 15 **quality issues throughout the State. Ethanol has been** 16 **blended in all of California's gasoline, and they have** 17 **seen improved air quality because of this. The RFS** 18 **does not dictate that California cannot use straight** 19 **premium gasoline for antique autos.** 20 **If you weaken the RFS, you will kill investment in** 21 **second-generation advanced biofuels, as they will not** 22 **have access to capital. The hope for additional**

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1 **biodiesel and cellulosic production facilities that** 2 **utilize wood chips, corn stover, garbage, switchgrass,** 3 **animal fats, and the like will not become a reality** 4 **without the RFS.** 5 **Homeland security is what homegrown ethanol is all** 6 **about. Cutting back on foreign oil and keeping those** 7 **dollars here in the United States is another value that** 8 **biofuels brings to the table, and not having to fight a** 9 **war over the access to biofuels.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: If you could please wrap up your** 11 **testimony?** 12 **MR. HERBON: EPA works for the American people to** 13 **protect our health and the environment. Opening up the** 14 **RFS does not help the American people. Leave the RFS** 15 **intact.** 16 **Thank you.** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Sorry for the -- didn't** 18 **realize you were just about done.** 19 **Mr. Sneller, please?** 20 **MR. SNELLER: Thank you.** 21 **Members of the panel, my name is Todd Sneller. I** 22 **serve as the administrator of the Nebraska Ethanol Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Board, and I also serve as chairman of the Clean Fuels** 2 **Development Corporation.** 3 **CFDC is a diverse, nonprofit advocacy organization** 4 **now in its 25th year. The Nebraska Ethanol Board is a** 5 **State agency directed by statute to facilitate ethanol** 6 **production and use in Nebraska and the development of** 7 **markets nationwide. I served as administrator of the** 8 **board since 1979 and since 1976 have been responsible** 9 **to the board in its directive to develop ethanol** 10 **markets for nationwide consumption of ethanol fuels.** 11 **I'm urging the EPA, as many have today, to enforce** 12 **the statutory targets that were included in Federal** 13 **statute. The goal of Congress clearly was not to limit** 14 **renewable fuel use to the volumes obligated parties** 15 **prescribe.** 16 **In fact, according to a statement from the EPA,** 17 **and I quote, "We agree that obligated parties,** 18 **refiners, have had years to plan for the E10 blend wall** 19 **and that there are clearly steps that obligated parties** 20 **could take to increase investments needed to increase** 21 **renewable fuel use above current actions."** 22 **Further, they state, "We also note, however, that**

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1 **biofuel producers could also take appropriate measures** 2 **and that nothing precludes biofuel producers from** 3 **independently marketing E85 or increasing the** 4 **production of non-ethanol renewable fuels."** 5 **In fact, many have done that. These are not** 6 **obligated parties. These are the efforts of advocates** 7 **that want to see this program succeed. We collectively** 8 **have spent tens of millions of dollars in** 9 **infrastructure development on a voluntary basis. We** 10 **collectively have spent tens of millions of dollars of** 11 **market development to support the increase of biofuel** 12 **use and particularly the increased volume included in** 13 **those biofuels.** 14 **We have an obligation to continue this commitment,** 15 **but we are not obligated parties like the refiners.** 16 **The parties are intentionally impeding, in many cases,** 17 **the efforts that have been set forth by those of us on** 18 **a voluntary basis to expand market development. We've** 19 **seen repeatedly examples of barriers that include** 20 **market and brand restrictions and other prohibitions** 21 **against the marketing of these higher-volume biofuel** 22 **blends.** Page 156

1 **This is not a new conduct or new practice by the** 2 **petroleum industry. The 1980 Gasohol Competition Act** 3 **passed by Congress was intended at that time to try to** 4 **stop some of these practices, but they continue today.** 5 **We're also seeing the efforts, despite the** 6 **proclamation of refiners, who are the obligated** 7 **parties, saying they've done everything they can** 8 **possibly do to accommodate up to 10 percent blend,** 9 **belied by a photograph that's probably worth 1,000** 10 **words. A photograph taken in Lincoln, Nebraska, about** 11 **10 days ago with the corporate logo of one of those** 12 **obligated parties talking about the fact that they** 13 **proudly offer non-ethanol blended gasoline.** 14 **That is the antithesis of a collaborative,** 15 **cooperative effort to try to comply with the statute.** 16 **These are, in fact, obligated parties, and they should** 17 **be required to meet the statutory obligations set** 18 **forth.** 19 **EPA has done a good job of trying to make** 20 **accommodations, but bad conduct should not be given a** 21 **pass. The obligated parties should be required to meet** 22 **those obligations, and we should continue to have an**

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1 **opportunity provide the cooperative effort from parties** 2 **who are conducting market development activities in** 3 **concert with these parties while not being impeded by** 4 **the obligated parties in those efforts to expand the** 5 **market and expand infrastructure.** 6 **The Clean Fuel Development Coalition will be** 7 **submitting additional information in the written** 8 **comments. Thank you for the opportunity to present** 9 **these comments to you today.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, and thank you,** 11 **Panel 11.** 12 **If we could have Panel 13 move on up to the table?** 13 **Thanks.** 14 **(Pause.)** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: And yeah, please, Panel 15, if you** 16 **could get ready?** 17 **All right. If we could go ahead and begin with** 18 **Mr. Greving?** 19 **MR. GREVING: Thank you for the opportunity to** 20 **testify here this morning.** 21 **My name is Bill Greving from Phillips County,** 22 **Kansas, in north central Kansas. My wife, Diana; my Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **son, Colby, and his wife, Cher; and I operate a** 2 **diversified farming operation producing both crops and** 3 **cattle in the surrounding area.** 4 **We grow primarily wheat and grain sorghum on our** 5 **dry land acres because of their drought tolerance and** 6 **corn and hay on our irrigated acres. I also serve on** 7 **the board of the United Sorghum Checkoff Program and** 8 **therefore have a strong interest, as well as my fellow** 9 **panel members, in seeing that the ethanol industry** 10 **thrive and prosper.** 11 **Our livestock operation consists primarily of a** 12 **cow-calf to finish operation. We finish our cattle in** 13 **our own feedlot, utilizing our homegrown feed, as well** 14 **as wet distillers grain purchased from Prairie Horizon** 15 **Agri-Energy, located in nearby Phillipsburg.** 16 **The availability of distillers grain and the** 17 **inclusion of distillers grain in our feed rations has** 18 **made a significant improvement to our bottom line in** 19 **feeding cattle. Our nutritionist who designs our** 20 **rations has informed us that utilizing distillers grain** 21 **in our grower and finisher rations saves us** 22 **approximately $20 per head on every animal marketed.**

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1 **Our local ethanol plant has had a positive impact** 2 **on our local economy and on the price of corn and grain** 3 **sorghum in Phillips County and the surrounding area.** 4 **Both grain sorghum and corn are utilized in ethanol** 5 **plants in Kansas and most ethanol plants to produce** 6 **ethanol.** 7 **As a stockholder in the Phillipsburg ethanol** 8 **plant, the dividends the past few years have been a** 9 **nice improvement to our income. As a result, in other** 10 **words, you might consider me an investor, a supplier,** 11 **and a customer of our local ethanol plant.** 12 **The advent and growth of the ethanol industry has** 13 **made a significant impact on the profitability of our** 14 **operation, not to mention the impact that it has made,** 15 **as been stated here today, on agriculture in the United** 16 **States and production agriculture.** 17 **In closing, I would like to strongly urge you to** 18 **maintain the current RFS standard, the production** 19 **standards that have been stated, and would strongly** 20 **encourage you to maintain those.** 21 **Again, thank you for your allowing me to testify.** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. Ms.** Page 160

1 **Schulte?** 2 **MS. SCHULTE: Yes, I'm Sue Schulte. I am on staff** 3 **at the Kansas Corn Growers Association, have been for** 4 **about 19 years as their Director of Communications.** 5 **I grew up on a farm in southwest Kansas, and I** 6 **guess at that time, in the 1980s, my parents told my** 7 **brothers and I that we probably needed to find** 8 **professions that were not involving working on the** 9 **farm. And at that time, I think people felt there was** 10 **not a lot of opportunity a lot of times for their kids** 11 **to come back to the farms, and that's changed a lot.** 12 **And the reason I mention this is that, originally,** 13 **a grower, Dennis McNinch, had signed up to speak today,** 14 **was unable to. His son has returned to the farm.** 15 **They're in the middle of wheat harvest and are unable** 16 **to leave the farm so they can complete wheat harvest.** 17 **And I think -- I know you heard from a lot of** 18 **farmers. You've got some on the panel here today, and** 19 **I think it's important to understand the sacrifices** 20 **they've made just to be here in Kansas City today.** 21 **Some of them couldn't, as much as they wanted to be** 22 **here.**

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1 **Dennis is on our Corn Growers Board, and he is** 2 **also on National Corn Growers Ethanol Committee. So** 3 **very involved. In addition to being a farmer, he is** 4 **also an ag banker, and I want to read some of his** 5 **comments that he had put together.** 6 **He said I'm lucky to have a 50 million gallon** 7 **ethanol plant in our area, and when a group of farmers** 8 **and community members first started the effort to build** 9 **Western Plains Energy, corn prices were below the cost** 10 **of production, and our crop yields were low due to dry** 11 **weather. It wasn't the greatest time to ask for** 12 **investors, but farmers and others in our community** 13 **banked on the promise of creating a new market for** 14 **corn, based on long-term view of RFS creating and** 15 **increasing the market for ethanol and other biofuels.** 16 **Our plant took shape and paid dividends to its** 17 **investors, brought good jobs, provided renewable** 18 **ethanol fuel for vehicles, distillers grains for our** 19 **livestock feeders. The economic activity around the** 20 **plant is remarkable, especially for a rural community** 21 **like ours in northwest Kansas.** 22 **The value-added component was critical to Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **stabilize the rural economy, which is primarily based** 2 **on commodity production and supporting agriculture.** 3 **Increasing the use of ethanol with higher blends should** 4 **be our highest priority and was part of the rationale** 5 **of the RFS growing larger through the years.** 6 **We've been effective in helping to reduce the need** 7 **for imported oil. Yet even with the ethanol and even** 8 **more domestic oil production, the U.S. still must** 9 **import 50 percent of its oil. We can lessen that with** 10 **higher ethanol blends.** 11 **We will continue to hold up our end, working with** 12 **partnerships and investing our money to build** 13 **infrastructure to allow higher blends of ethanol** 14 **blended fuels and sustainably growing more than enough** 15 **corn to meet the needs for feed, food, and fuel. And I** 16 **call on EPA to hold up its end and follow the RFS law** 17 **as it is written and as it was intended.** 18 **Thank you.** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Ms. Schulte. Next we** 20 **have Mr. Caldwell?** 21 **MR. CALDWELL: Thank you.** 22 **I am retired Air Force Colonel Glenn Caldwell.**

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1 **After my active duty in Vietnam era, I returned to the** 2 **family farm in Kansas and have been farming for 40** 3 **years.** 4 **Over those four decades, I've seen plenty of** 5 **things change, and I've seen plenty of things stay the** 6 **same. I've seen long lines and astronomical price** 7 **hikes at gas stations during the first oil embargos of** 8 **the 1970s. I've seen America forget those long lines** 9 **and reconcile itself to reliance on imported oil and** 10 **absorb the military cost of protecting it during the** 11 **Gulf Wars. I've seen oil prices spike again, making** 12 **the worst recession in recent history even worse.** 13 **I've seen American agriculture get close to** 14 **poverty level due to botched foreign policy,** 15 **unimaginative farm programs, dependence on Federal** 16 **support, and embargos on foreign products that** 17 **attempted to use grain exports as political leverage** 18 **around the world. And all the while, we had answers to** 19 **those woes right here at home. We could actually grow** 20 **energy, clean energy that results in more BTUs than it** 21 **takes to create, despite what oil industry-fronted** 22 **"research" would have us believe.** Page 164

1 **We could transform our strength in agricultural** 2 **production into fuel, and we could do so without** 3 **sacrificing our ability to continue to feed people and** 4 **animals. Farmers could add value to their corn without** 5 **incurring shipping costs to distant markets.** 6 **Livestock producers could source high-value feed** 7 **in their own backyard. Americans could enjoy lower** 8 **prices at the pump while enjoying cleaner air and a** 9 **fuel that doesn't pollute our oceans, water supply, or** 10 **soil.** 11 **The RFS has helped solve a lot of America's** 12 **problems. The RFS is a long-term strategy for** 13 **America's future, and we should not be changing course** 14 **because of mythical blend walls, bad science, and the** 15 **influence of an oil monopoly that wants to do nothing** 16 **more than protect its market share and profitability.** 17 **I cannot understand why a Government agency would** 18 **propose to reduce production incentives for an industry** 19 **that has proven its ability to accomplish what Congress** 20 **envisioned years ago. I cannot understand why a** 21 **Government agency would supersede bipartisan** 22 **legislation passed by an elected Congress to derail a**

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1 **program that has been successful in every regard.** 2 **And I really cannot understand why the Government** 3 **agency responsible for protecting the environment would** 4 **make recommendations that only benefit a highly** 5 **subsidized industry that has a despicable track record** 6 **of befouling the environment, poisoning our air,** 7 **polluting our soil and our water.** 8 **To curtail the ethanol industry by reducing the** 9 **RFS requirements flies in the face of sound national** 10 **policy, environmental stewardship, and just plain** 11 **common sense. I urge you to leave the RFS as Congress** 12 **had passed it.** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Caldwell. Mr. Sisk?** 14 **MR. SISK: Hello. I'm Joseph Sisk. I'm a full** 15 **time farmer from Hopkinsville, Kentucky, and I** 16 **appreciate the opportunity to explain what the RFS** 17 **means to my family's farming operation.** 18 **I'm unique to many in my industry that have spoken** 19 **to you today, as I began my farming career in 1999 at** 20 **one of the lowest points in commodity prices in two** 21 **decades. In fact, my first full crop year in 2000** 22 **marked the lowest monthly average for corn since the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **mid 1980s.** 2 **Since 2007 and the ramp-up of corn for ethanol** 3 **production, our farm has grown and thrived. We've** 4 **added more full-time employees, one of whom came from a** 5 **factory setting that was affected by a slowing economy.** 6 **Without the RFS, our operation would have been unable** 7 **to support the additional families of the new full-time** 8 **employees that we employ.** 9 **Today, this morning, we are finishing wheat** 10 **harvest. It is our busiest time of year. My 75-year** 11 **old father is filling in for me so that I may bring you** 12 **this message, the message of a small business owner who** 13 **is directly affected by this push from the oil industry** 14 **to adjust the RVO.** 15 **It is vital to production agriculture that the** 16 **amount of corn used for ethanol rise, as technology has** 17 **provided the excess that the ethanol industry needs to** 18 **thrive. Now that we, as producers, have met that need,** 19 **the industry has a chance for a great positive impact,** 20 **both environmentally and economically.** 21 **The supply needed to make the initial dream of** 22 **ethanol is a reality now. Why now that the system is**

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1 **functioning to provide what was asked would we want a** 2 **change that would undo the feasibility of the initial** 3 **goal? We are providing the increasing supply that the** 4 **market and mandates asked and required.** 5 **As a system matures and becomes so productive, it** 6 **should be embraced and used for the environmental and** 7 **economic good that it was developed for. Our operation** 8 **has invested heavily to be able to help meet the corn** 9 **needed by the RVO. The argument that the resources may** 10 **not meet the original RVO are the same arguments from** 11 **years past that were disproven through our ability to** 12 **evolve and produce corn and ethanol.** 13 **It is imperative to my operation that the supply** 14 **and system that is in place be supported as it grows** 15 **into greater production. It would be devastating if** 16 **we, as producers, ramped our abilities into the new era** 17 **only to have outside interests who oppose for their own** 18 **designs influence new strategies that would undo 10-** 19 **plus years of advancements.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony.** 22 **Ms. Hoot?** Page 168

1 **MS. HOOT: Good afternoon. My name is Lynne Hoot,** 2 **and I've been executive director of the Maryland Grain** 3 **Producers Association for the past -- since 1990, and** 4 **I've experienced considerable change and growth in the** 5 **ethanol industry.** 6 **I'm here today to express our support for ethanol** 7 **production, a robust renewable fuel standard, and to** 8 **explain Maryland's efforts to expand the infrastructure** 9 **for higher blends. Maryland doesn't currently have an** 10 **ethanol plant in the State. However, many of our** 11 **farmers have the opportunity to sell to a Vireol** 12 **ethanol plant down in Hopewell, Virginia.** 13 **It was built in 2010 originally as a barley** 14 **ethanol plant, as a flexible feedstock plant. Today,** 15 **our farmers have the benefit of selling corn to it.** 16 **We would like to see the opportunities through EPA** 17 **approving barley as a second-generation fuel feedstock** 18 **because that will help our farmers. Barley grows well** 19 **in Virginia and Maryland. It also serves as a winter** 20 **crop, and it takes up nutrients in the wintertime,** 21 **which helps the Chesapeake Bay.** 22 **Living in the Washington-Baltimore corridor,**

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1 **Maryland's efforts have gone beyond State lines, and** 2 **we've worked with Virginia. We've worked with D.C.,** 3 **and we have, obviously, with Maryland to improve the** 4 **infrastructure. We currently have 34 E85 stations in** 5 **Maryland, 17 in Virginia, and 3 in Columbia.** 6 **And while that infrastructure may not be huge, it** 7 **does make a significant difference. What we do have is** 8 **675,000 flexible-fuel vehicles, and if you look at the** 9 **number of model year 2000 and newer, the opportunities** 10 **in the E15 market are huge.** 11 **During that time, we've partnered with the Clean** 12 **Cities programs in each of those areas, with State and** 13 **Federal governments, and what we have found is we have** 14 **continued to have opposition from the oil industry as** 15 **we've tried to make progress. Just in the last 3** 16 **months, a major oil company told a station in Waldorf,** 17 **Maryland, that they couldn't put E85 under the canopy,** 18 **even though there are clear, contractual State laws** 19 **that prevent that happening. We see nothing but** 20 **opposition.** 21 **And that's why in 2007, when the renewable fuel** 22 **standard was passed, Congress understood that there Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **would be opposition. That's why they passed the law,** 2 **and they put specific quantities in the law, and they** 3 **put EPA in charge.** 4 **So what has gone wrong? Today, we have ample** 5 **ethanol infrastructure. We have low feedstock prices,** 6 **and our barrier to success is the EPA. On behalf of** 7 **Maryland's grain industry, I would like to express that** 8 **this is unacceptable. It's outside your legal** 9 **authority, and we ask you to restore the RVO to the** 10 **statutory limits.** 11 **Appreciate the opportunity to comment. Thank you.** 12 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Koehler?** 13 **MR. KOEHLER: Thank you.** 14 **This is Tom Koehler, Pacific Ethanol. We're** 15 **headquartered in California.** 16 **And I'm here today not only on behalf of our** 17 **company, but the other companies in California, Aemetis** 18 **and Calgren Renewables. Together, it represents about** 19 **220 million gallons of low-carbon ethanol.** 20 **And I want to emphasize that the industry, the** 21 **corn ethanol industry not only in California, but** 22 **across the country has been responsible roughly for 60**

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1 **percent of the carbon reductions to date in the** 2 **California low-carbon fuel standard. And those numbers** 3 **are -- the carbon intensity of corn ethanol is coming** 4 **down on a daily basis.** 5 **You started your testimony today talking about why** 6 **the EPA is so concerned with the RFS, and you ended by** 7 **saying that we have to get the carbon reductions due to** 8 **climate change. And the EPA has done quite a few** 9 **things on that front, the CAFE standards is an example,** 10 **looking now at the coal.** 11 **But the RFS is -- is huge, and it's a major part** 12 **of that. And there needs to be urgency around it** 13 **because every carbon reduction today is worth a lot** 14 **more than tomorrow in terms of the impact.** 15 **So there's urgency here at the table, and you have** 16 **had an industry -- you're listening to an industry that** 17 **can provide huge carbon reductions, if allowed. And** 18 **the only thing standing in the way, to support the last** 19 **speaker, is you.** 20 **And you've talked about the so-called blend --** 21 **ethanol blend wall. There is no ethanol blend wall.** 22 **It's a -- it's either two things. It's either a** Page 172

1 **constraint of trade by the oil industry, or it's an** 2 **EPA-imposed blend wall. So I urge you, in the name of** 3 **urgency, in terms of carbon reduction to stick with the** 4 **statutory requirements for the RVO.** 5 **Appreciate all the work that you've done.** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 13.** 7 **If we could have Panel 15 move up and Panel 17 get** 8 **ready while they're doing that.** 9 **If anyone in this room is on Panel 22, they need** 10 **to go to the room next door. They are, I think,** 11 **looking or waiting for you if you are testifying on** 12 **Panel 22.** 13 **(Pause.)** 14 **MR. GRUNDLER: If we could go ahead, Mr. Anderson?** 15 **MR. ANDERSON: Thank you.** 16 **My name is Bob Anderson, representing Chevron, an** 17 **obligated party under the RFS program.** 18 **Chevron has approximately 7,400 employees in our** 19 **downstream U.S. business. We operate in 14 States,** 20 **with 5 refineries and 28 product distribution** 21 **terminals. We're supported by 7,800 gasoline retail** 22 **stations, 95 percent of which are owned by marketers,**

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1 **jobbers, and independent business people.** 2 **We supply more than 20 million gallons of gasoline** 3 **and diesel fuel to the U.S. market every day, which is** 4 **over 4 percent of the domestic transportation fuel** 5 **demand. Chevron is pleased that EPA has acknowledged** 6 **the primary issue of the E10 blend wall.** 7 **We were encouraged that EPA is proposing to use** 8 **both its statutory waiver authority under the** 9 **cellulosic biofuel waiver and general waiver** 10 **provisions. When RINs become constrained in the** 11 **market, obligated parties are at risk of being unable** 12 **to comply with the RFS, and significant economic harm** 13 **could result.** 14 **This scenario clearly warrants EPA's use of the** 15 **waivers. Chevron agrees with the Administrator's** 16 **determination that the blend wall meets the finding of** 17 **an inadequate domestic supply. Chevron strongly** 18 **encourages EPA to maintain its interpretation and to** 19 **utilize the waiver authority in finalizing the rule.** 20 **While Chevron agrees with EPA's use of the** 21 **statutory waiver authority, the proposed volumes of** 22 **renewable fuel for 2016 will very likely exceed the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **blend wall limit. We recommend that EPA use the same** 2 **methodology for 2016 as proposed for 2015 and keep the** 3 **volume standards below the blend wall limit.** 4 **EPA's forecast for additional volumes of E85 up to** 5 **as much as 600 million gallons per year in 2016 are** 6 **unlikely to be met. Our retailers have described their** 7 **experience with E85 to be challenging at best. When** 8 **implemented, E85 has suffered from very low customer** 9 **demand, due to limited vehicle compatibility, cost, and** 10 **reduced vehicle mileage, resulting in more frequent** 11 **fueling.** 12 **The volumes proposed by EPA for the advanced** 13 **biofuel and total renewable fuel standards result in** 14 **percentages that exceed 20 percent in two consecutive** 15 **years. These waiver volumes would trigger the** 16 **statutory reset provision. Chevron supports EPA's** 17 **intention to activate this reset mechanism and** 18 **encourages EPA to develop long-term RFS standards that** 19 **are achievable for the market and don't exceed the** 20 **blend wall.** 21 **Finally, we appreciate EPA's efforts to get the** 22 **program back on track by proposing multiyear RFS**

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1 **standards for 2014, '15, and '16, and we encourage you** 2 **to finalize these rules by November 30th. In** 3 **conclusion, the EPA's rule -- proposed rule is a step** 4 **in the right direction. However, Chevron still has** 5 **ongoing concerns with the RFS.** 6 **Despite the tremendous efforts of the EPA by our** 7 **industry and many others, the program is fundamentally** 8 **unworkable and should be repealed or significantly** 9 **reformed. And thank you very much for your time today.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Mr.** 11 **Carron, please?** 12 **MR. CARRON: Yes. Members of the panel, I am** 13 **Brian Carron, executive marketing representative for** 14 **HollyFrontier, a merchant petroleum refiner with** 15 **operations throughout the Rocky Mountains, Southwest,** 16 **and Great Plains, including the nearby El Dorado** 17 **refinery, the largest within the State of Kansas.** 18 **Given time limitations, my focus today is on** 19 **issues most profoundly felt by merchant refiners like** 20 **HollyFrontier. However, we do voice support for** 21 **comments provided by AFPM.** 22 **We appreciate EPA's use of the general waiver** Page 176

1 **authority in the proposed RVOs. Given the current** 2 **state of consumer demand relative to volumes originally** 3 **prescribed under the RFS, it is appropriate to have** 4 **called upon the general waiver to specifically prevent** 5 **the blending of more than 10 percent ethanol into the** 6 **gasoline supply.** 7 **We all recognize the RFS program needs repair, and** 8 **the RIN market is dysfunctional. Market fundamentals** 9 **no longer dictate RIN prices. Rather, prices are** 10 **driven by speculation, hoarding due to fear of RIN** 11 **shortages.** 12 **As a merchant refiner without retail operations,** 13 **HollyFrontier is limited in our ability to blend** 14 **ethanol with petroleum fuels. Most of our gasoline** 15 **production is transported via common carrier pipeline** 16 **to large-volume customers who may or may not blend** 17 **renewable fuels to the receiving terminals before** 18 **distributing to the retail outlets.** 19 **This blending is outside our control, and we must** 20 **participate in a dysfunctional RIN market to cover our** 21 **obligation. This creates a significant and** 22 **disproportionate financial burden to our company and**

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1 **other merchant refiners. This disconnect was** 2 **highlighted in a recent study from Columbia University** 3 **by James Stock, who stated, "The purpose of the RIN** 4 **system is to ensure compliance with the RFS, not to add** 5 **price risk to the balance sheets of obligated parties** 6 **that happen to have generation obligation mismatch."** 7 **Based on EPA's most recent projections, we are** 8 **concerned that the proposed 2016 volume will breach the** 9 **E10 blend wall. Some have stated there is capacity in** 10 **the RIN bank to provide coverage in that year. Dipping** 11 **into the RIN bank will encourage marketplace hoarding** 12 **and add greater uncertainty to the RIN markets.** 13 **There is a market need not only to maintain the** 14 **current level of carryover RINs, but also to rebuild a** 15 **full 20 percent of banked RINS. This will help ensure** 16 **obligated parties can meet the compliance in outlying** 17 **years of the program.** 18 **As you review comments, we urge you to repair the** 19 **RFS and the RIN market by utilizing EPA's general** 20 **waiver authority to establish reasonable RVOs for each** 21 **year while allowing for a rebuild in the RIN bank. In** 22 **addition, HollyFrontier asks for EPA to pursue Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **structural reforms to the RFS, which would redefine** 2 **obligated parties not solely as refiners, but rather** 3 **the blender of record.** 4 **Thanks again for the opportunity to comment today.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Carron. Mr.** 6 **Ostrander, please?** 7 **MR. OSTRANDER: Thank you.** 8 **I'm Jeremy Ostrander. I'm here with AgriVision** 9 **Equipment Group. We supply equipment and services to** 10 **agricultural and construction industries, as well as to** 11 **consumers.** 12 **We run a family-owned business that employs about** 13 **350 people. This business was founded in 1899 and has** 14 **weathered many economic cycles, driven by weather,** 15 **Government decision, market-based demand, and today** 16 **worldwide markets and economies.** 17 **I'm here today to talk about a couple areas that** 18 **affect the people that we serve in our area. This is** 19 **the economic impact, as well as the timing of this** 20 **decision.** 21 **The rural economy has improved in the last 10** 22 **years to a level that it's not seen since the 1970s.**

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1 **With this, we've seen a return of many young families** 2 **to rural communities. In fact, the land grant** 3 **university that I graduated from has seen more people** 4 **return from their agricultural colleges to the** 5 **communities than any other time in history. I think** 6 **this speaks well for the future of what appeared to be** 7 **a stable economy in the heart of America in the last 5** 8 **years.** 9 **With the RFS, there has been considerable** 10 **investment in these areas to support the mandate by** 11 **Congress to meet the renewable fuel standards. These** 12 **investments have helped to stimulate the economy in** 13 **recent years in these communities, counties, and** 14 **States. For many of our business customers, this has** 15 **been an investment in land, equipment, seed, and other** 16 **things based on Congress' promise that the RFS would** 17 **provide a stable market for corn ethanol.** 18 **Ethanol has become an essential value-added market** 19 **for the American farmer, stimulating investment and** 20 **enhancing economic opportunities in their communities** 21 **and beyond. This has helped transform the grain sector** 22 **from a surplus-driven marketplace to one that is** Page 180

1 **vibrant, high tech, and demand driven.** 2 **So how does this affect the local economy?** 3 **Keeping the grain demand at a moderate to high level** 4 **supports land values. Land values drive property tax** 5 **base, which is vital to supporting the schools, roads,** 6 **and other public services.** 7 **And then the other piece is just straight-up** 8 **income. Farm income trickles down through the fabric** 9 **of America. We've already seen job reductions and** 10 **pressures on the local economy with the recent 24-month** 11 **drop in corn and soybean prices.** 12 **The proposed RFS changes would drive a further** 13 **reduction in corn prices of 25 to 75 cents. So let's** 14 **use the middle of that, and let's assume 50 cents per** 15 **bushel.** 16 **We serve about 30 counties that sit between Kansas** 17 **City, Omaha, and Des Moines. For the average county** 18 **that we call on, each county produces about 15 million** 19 **bushels of corn. So a 50 cent reduction in each bushel** 20 **of corn reduces the income in each of those counties by** 21 **about $7.5 million.** 22 **If you average this for each family in that**

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1 **county, the average actual -- the average reduction in** 2 **income for each of our customers is about $85,000 per** 3 **family business. That is enough to push income levels** 4 **possibly below break-even levels. The average income,** 5 **if you average across --** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: If you could please wrap up?** 7 **MR. OSTRANDER: Okay. Across each family in that** 8 **county would be about $1,500 to $2,000 per family.** 9 **The other piece is timing. We ask that, in** 10 **summary, that you stay firm on the original RFS** 11 **schedule in support of continued economic stability in** 12 **our communities and States.** 13 **I realize that adjustments are a fact of life. I** 14 **ask that you consider the timing of this and future** 15 **adjustments.** 16 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much.** 17 **MR. OSTRANDER: Thank you.** 18 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Podliska?** 19 **MR. PODLISKA: Thank you.** 20 **I'm Rick Podliska. I'm with the American** 21 **Motorcylist Association, and we represent about 213,000** 22 **riders nationwide. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **And I want to thank the EPA for allowing this** 2 **opportunity to comment on the proposed RVO rule for** 3 **2014, 2015, and 2016.** 4 **The AMA urges the EPA to not increase and instead** 5 **to lower the proposed volumes when the final rule is** 6 **issued November 30th. Proposed volumes would increase** 7 **the risk of inadvertent misfueling for motorcyclists** 8 **and all-terrain vehicle owners by forcing the** 9 **widespread availability of higher ethanol fuel blends,** 10 **such as E15.** 11 **The EPA proposal would increase the amount of** 12 **ethanol from all sources in the nation's fuel supply to** 13 **17.4 billion gallons in 2016, up from 15.93 billion** 14 **gallons in 2014. Those increases would come despite** 15 **the EPA's acknowledgment that the market cannot absorb** 16 **these higher ethanol production rates.** 17 **The practical effect of the EPA's action is that** 18 **the ethanol production will exceed the blend wall.** 19 **That means more E15 and less E10 on the market.** 20 **Moreover, the proposed rule calls for the** 21 **expansion of use of renewable fuels to meet the 2016** 22 **standards by providing grants to retail owners and**

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1 **locating stations offering E15, E85 closest to higher** 2 **populations of vehicles that can use those fuels and** 3 **developing contractual mechanisms to ensure favorable** 4 **pricing of E15 and E85 at retail compared to E10 to** 5 **boost sales volumes. In other words, the EPA is** 6 **proposing Federal grants and price controls to increase** 7 **the amount of the higher than E10 ethanol-blended fuels** 8 **into the marketplace. The AMA strongly disagrees with** 9 **this approach.** 10 **Regarding E0, the EPA discounts it and does not** 11 **factor it in in its scenarios. The EPA views E0 as a** 12 **constraint on the volume of ethanol that can be** 13 **consumed and expects such volumes to be lower than they** 14 **were in the past as the market tries to expand** 15 **consumption of ethanol under the influence of the RFS** 16 **program.** 17 **This statement contradicts the data from the** 18 **Federal Energy Information Administration that shows** 19 **that demand for E0 rose from 3.4 percent in 2012 to** 20 **nearly 7 percent in 2014. Consumers want E0 for their** 21 **motorcycles, ATVs, boats, lawn mowers, and other** 22 **equipment because it does not pose the risk of engine** Page 184

1 **and fuel system damage.** 2 **Most importantly, the proposed rule mentions the** 3 **likelihood of misfueling only once. The rule states,** 4 **"In June of 2011, the EPA finalized regulations to** 5 **prevent misfueling of vehicles, engines, and equipment** 6 **not covered by the partial waiver decisions."** 7 **This is the same misfueling mitigation plan that** 8 **initially mandated a 4-gallon minimum fuel purchase to** 9 **address the concerns raised by the AMA. It eventually** 10 **was revised in 2013 to the current plan following our** 11 **complaints. Yet it is still easily misunderstood,** 12 **misapplied, or ignored by State governments and** 13 **producers, distributors, and inventors.** 14 **MR. GRUNDLER: If you could please wrap up, sir?** 15 **MR. PODLISKA: Indeed, the EPA has made it illegal** 16 **for motorcycles and ATVs users to use E15 fuel and yet** 17 **seems to have little interest in the misfueling issue.** 18 **It seems the EPA's proposed rule does not consider the** 19 **concerns of motorcyclists and ATV owners despite** 20 **knowing that none of the estimated 22 million** 21 **motorcycles and ATVs in use in the United States is** 22 **approved to use E15 or higher ethanol blends.**

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1 **Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments.** 2 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Kempker?** 3 **MR. KEMPKER: All right. My name is William** 4 **Kempker, and I represent Freedom of Road Riders, a** 5 **motorcycle rights organization from Missouri, and the** 6 **MRF, Motorcycle Riders Foundation. We represent around** 7 **250,000 politically active motorcyclists in Missouri** 8 **and around the nation.** 9 **As the motorcyclists, who are consumers of** 10 **gasoline and gasoline/ethanol blends for our** 11 **motorcycles, our vehicles, and all our other power** 12 **equipment, we are very concerned about the amount of** 13 **ethanol that is already in the gasoline that we are** 14 **buying and worried about the expansion of ethanol use** 15 **in fuel. Manufacturers of motorcycles and ATVs** 16 **recommend the use of ethanol-free fuel in these** 17 **vehicles.** 18 **Increasing the amount of ethanol in fuel or** 19 **expansion of the types of ethanol fuel blends likely** 20 **will create increased mechanical issues for motorcycles** 21 **and recreational power equipment. Fuel pumps that vend** 22 **several types of fuel through the same nozzle, or Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **blender pumps, pose a definite hazard for** 2 **motorcyclists. These types of pumps are becoming more** 3 **prevalent throughout the industry with this type of** 4 **pump.** 5 **When we fill up with fuel, we are at the mercy of** 6 **whoever filled up before us. If the person before us** 7 **filled up with an E15 blend, then about the first** 8 **gallon we get will have ethanol in it. Keep in mind** 9 **that some motorcycles will only take about 2 gallons of** 10 **gas.** 11 **The gallon of blended fuel already in the pump** 12 **combined with the gallon of 100 percent gasoline ends** 13 **with the equivalent ratio near that of an E10 blender** 14 **fuel in these small tanks, when the rider did not want** 15 **any.** 16 **We'll also willingly pay the higher pump price for** 17 **ethanol-free fuel. Yet we are still getting an unknown** 18 **amount of ethanol in the fuel we purchase through a** 19 **blender pump.** 20 **Even the manufacturers of our lawn mowers,** 21 **weedeaters, and chainsaws do not recommend any ethanol** 22 **in our products. Personally, in an attempt to avoid**

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1 **the issue at the gas station, I will pump 3 to 4** 2 **gallons of gas in my truck, then fill my gas can so** 3 **that I don't get any ethanol in the fuel that I will** 4 **use in my lawn mowers and weedeaters. This is not a** 5 **viable option for the motorcyclists with small tanks.** 6 **As consumers, we have the right to choose if we** 7 **would want to use ethanol or not. We should be able to** 8 **pull up to the pumps and know exactly what we are** 9 **putting in our tanks and not have to worry about what** 10 **the guy before us has put in. As it stands right now,** 11 **we cannot do it.** 12 **Increasing the amount of ethanol allowed in fuel** 13 **or adding higher ethanol options to pumps will just** 14 **make matters worse. Those of us who own or, more** 15 **importantly, have to pay the price for maintenance of** 16 **engines, large and small, that are not designed to** 17 **consume ethanol should continue to be allowed the** 18 **choice of 100 percent gasoline, unadulterated by the** 19 **previous consumer.** 20 **Simply because the makers and vendors of ethanol** 21 **and blended fuel thinks it's all right to run in all** 22 **gasoline engines doesn't mean that's our personal** Page 188

1 **choice of fuel -- that our personal choice of fuel** 2 **should be compromised.** 3 **As blender pumps become more prevalent and if** 4 **ethanol increases, motorcyclists will have fewer** 5 **options, greater risk of breakdown, and increased** 6 **maintenance cost.** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Lewan?** 8 **MR. LEWAN: My name is Michael Lewan, and I'm with** 9 **the National Marine Manufacturers Association, which** 10 **represents 1,400 businesses in the recreational boating** 11 **industry. Our member companies provide an important** 12 **recreational outlet for 88 million Americans, and we** 13 **provide a significant economic boost to the country,** 14 **supporting 650,000 jobs and $121 billion in annual** 15 **economic activity.** 16 **NMMA and our member companies have strong** 17 **reservations against the proposed RVOs. Our engines** 18 **are designed and calibrated to run on fuels up to 10** 19 **percent ethanol by volume and by EPA's own requirements** 20 **are federally prohibited to run higher blends. And for** 21 **good reason.** 22 **In 2011, a DOE study of E15's effects on marine**

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1 **engines proved utilizing high-ethanol blends can lead** 2 **to significant issues for marine engine consumers and** 3 **can result in premature engine failure. The EPA's** 4 **proposal threatens our engines.** 5 **To meet the 2016 RVOs, 840 million gallons of** 6 **excess ethanol will be needed at the expense of** 7 **ethanol-free fuel. The proposal estimates that E0** 8 **production will decline from 9.3 billion gallons to 130** 9 **million gallons. This, despite the fact that E0 demand** 10 **doubled between 2012 and 2014 to the current 7 percent** 11 **of the country's fuel supply.** 12 **E0 is the preferred fuel choice for marine** 13 **engines, particularly for our legacy fleet of which** 14 **there are still 16 million in use. The boating demand** 15 **for E0 is real, and it is not diminishing.** 16 **Seventy-one percent of the 9,000 E0 locations are** 17 **located in the top 20 States for boater registration.** 18 **Many in the boating public seek out E0 for its proven** 19 **performance qualities. The RVO proposal would be** 20 **denying these consumers choice at the pump.** 21 **Additionally, the proposal fails to guarantee that** 22 **fuels E10 or lower are universally available at all Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **retail service stations where the vast majority of our** 2 **consumers purchase fuel. Without the guaranteed** 3 **availability of approved fuels, a station with a** 4 **dedicated E15 hose is not required to additionally sell** 5 **E10 or lower blends. Such a scenario would leave our** 6 **consumers without appropriate alternatives.** 7 **Finally, NMMA continues to have concerns over the** 8 **EPA's misfueling mitigation plan. A lone sticker on a** 9 **gas pump is insufficient and ineffective. It does** 10 **nothing to actually inform the consumers, not to** 11 **mention it is easily lost amongst the signage,** 12 **advertisements, and other labels common to a modern** 13 **fuel pump.** 14 **In absence of a stronger misfueling mitigation** 15 **plan, the risk to misfueling increases as more E15** 16 **comes on the market. The onus to properly warn and** 17 **educate consumers should rest with the EPA.** 18 **NMMA strongly feels that the RVO proposal should** 19 **be modified in a manner that reflects actual fuel** 20 **consumption specifically for E0 demand that guarantees** 21 **the universal supply of approved fuels and that** 22 **contains an enhanced misfueling mitigation plan. We**

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1 **look forward to working with the EPA to achieve these** 2 **common sense goals, and we will be submitting more** 3 **substantial written comments along with today's** 4 **testimony.** 5 **Thank you.** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 15.** 7 **If we could have Panel 17 move up and Panel 19 get** 8 **ready?** 9 **(Pause.)** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: All right. Go ahead, Panel 17,** 11 **with Mr. Demmer.** 12 **MR. DEMMER: Yes, thank you.** 13 **Jerry Demmer, farm corn and soybeans in southern** 14 **Minnesota, and I'm also a director on the Minnesota** 15 **Corn Research and Promotion Council.** 16 **As a Minnesota corn farmer, I'm proud to have** 17 **played a role in helping Minnesota become the first** 18 **State to blend 10 percent ethanol in its entire fuel** 19 **supply. For nearly 20 years, we've enjoyed the** 20 **benefits of ethanol-blended fuel in our air quality and** 21 **economy.** 22 **Before Minnesota took this important step, the air** Page 192

1 **quality in our Twin Cities metro region was so poor, it** 2 **was in nonattainment status with the EPA. Not long** 3 **after blending 10 percent ethanol, our air quality** 4 **improved and exceeded EPA standards.** 5 **The Minnesota Corn Growers are also playing a** 6 **leading role in growing the availability of mid-level** 7 **ethanol blends in our State. Soon over 30 stations** 8 **will be dispensing E15 through flex-fuel pumps, and we** 9 **have 300 stations that carry ethanol blends, giving the** 10 **consumers a real choice at the pump.** 11 **I've seen firsthand that the blend wall is a myth.** 12 **If you have the infrastructure to deliver homegrown** 13 **biofuels, consumers will buy them. If EPA slashes the** 14 **RFS and fails to implement the law as Congress** 15 **originally intended, it will be a major step backward** 16 **to our country's energy policy. We've made too much** 17 **progress on renewable fuels, especially in Minnesota,** 18 **to go in the wrong direction.** 19 **The United States should be taking a lead in using** 20 **more clean, renewable, and homegrown sources of energy.** 21 **Instead, we're talking about cutting the RFS, the** 22 **result of which would be a continued, but unsustainable**

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1 **reliance on fossil fuels.** 2 **On behalf of all Minnesota corn farmers and all** 3 **Minnesotans who breathe the air, drive a car, and want** 4 **more choices at the pump, don't mess with the RFS.** 5 **It's working. Changing it now would be the wrong thing** 6 **to do for our environment, our economy, and last, but** 7 **not least, our energy security.** 8 **Thank you.** 9 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Demmer. Mr. Sowers,** 10 **please?** 11 **MR. SOWERS: Well, good afternoon. My name is** 12 **Bryan Sowers. I'm a partner, announcer for the Crappie** 13 **Masters Tournament Trail, and also cohost of Crappie** 14 **Masters TV. And we fully support the RFS as intended** 15 **by Congress.** 16 **You know, I get a chance to see hundreds of boats** 17 **and boaters every year who support homegrown renewable** 18 **fuel and safely are using E10 in their boat. In fact,** 19 **every one of our tournament winners this year have used** 20 **E10 in their boat.** 21 **I can tell you, with thousands of dollars on the** 22 **line, these guys' boats have to perform to get to their Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **destination quickly, and they can't afford to be broken** 2 **down. And they all have trusted ethanol fuel.** 3 **You might ask why. Well, first off, none of them** 4 **have had any issues with it whatsoever. And second,** 5 **they all know every major outboard engine manufacturer** 6 **has approved E10 for safe use in those motors. Many of** 7 **them don't even use an additive. I don't.** 8 **And the ones that do are using it not out of** 9 **concern for ethanol. It's actually out of concern of** 10 **the gas blend. In fact, beside me, I have a stack of** 11 **signatures right here from tournament teams from our** 12 **tournament last weekend on Truman Lake supporting** 13 **ethanol and renewable fuel.** 14 **We do about 18 different tournaments across the** 15 **country every year. That's one tournament. You can** 16 **imagine the thousands of signatures of boaters out** 17 **there and fishermen, tournament fishermen that support** 18 **this, if this is put over a year's time.** 19 **To be frank, every boater out there is smart** 20 **enough to choose the correct fuel in their boat. You** 21 **know, myself as a boater and fisherman, I pride myself** 22 **on being an environmentalist for future generations of**

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1 **anglers. However, with this proposed rule, the** 2 **Environmental Protection Agency, with all due respect,** 3 **is not doing their job.** 4 **I support higher blends of ethanol for my vehicle.** 5 **I support E10 in my boat, as it is a cleaner for the** 6 **environment fuel and reduces harmful emissions that are** 7 **being pumped into our lake by low-quality gasoline** 8 **being distributed by oil, not to mention you hear all** 9 **the it seems like every year oil slicks that occur** 10 **every year all across the United States which harm and** 11 **even kill ecosystems that are homes for aquatic life.** 12 **Now is not the time to move backward when it comes** 13 **to developing alternatives to fossil fuels and foreign** 14 **oil. We must move forward. Continuing to implement** 15 **the RFS at the intended levels is vital to increasing** 16 **our energy independence, improving the environment, and** 17 **supporting American agriculture and our environment.** 18 **You know, American families who love boating,** 19 **fishing, swimming, et cetera, in our lakes, rivers, and** 20 **streams want to do it in the best-quality water** 21 **possible. And by reducing the RFS, you simply put all** 22 **of that in jeopardy.** Page 196

1 **Now I'm a grandfather of a 9-year-old grandson who** 2 **loves to fish, loves to boat, loves to swim, and I** 3 **don't want to be and have to be in that position one** 4 **day to have to look him in the eye and say, "Sorry,** 5 **Blake, this water is not safe to fish in. This water** 6 **is not safe to boat in, to swim in."** 7 **And I don't think anyone in this room or outside** 8 **of it wants to see that happen or be in that position.** 9 **Thank you so much for your time.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony.** 11 **(Applause.)** 12 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Porter, please? Mr. Porter?** 13 **MR. PORTER: Yes, thank you for the opportunity** 14 **for me to tell you the story about my family farm.** 15 **My name is Gary Porter. My mom and brother and I** 16 **operate the family farm in north central Missouri. We** 17 **have a grain and livestock farm.** 18 **The RFS has brought new life to our rural economy,** 19 **like cheaper fuel, good feed for our livestock, cleaner** 20 **air, and better prices for our corn. Our little town's** 21 **gas station closed up, and we had to drive for miles to** 22 **fill up. So with the promise from Congress and the**

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1 **exciting future of ethanol, my family decided to invest** 2 **and reopen that little gas station in our town.** 3 **We wanted to improve it by providing more choices.** 4 **So we put in blender pumps, and now we provide E20,** 5 **E30, E85, regular unleaded, clear and dyed diesel. And** 6 **unlike I've heard before, the hose that comes out of** 7 **the regular unleaded is a separate hose.** 8 **You do not depend on who got the fuel before you** 9 **because that hose has a yellow nozzle beside it.** 10 **That's the one that distributes the E20, 30, and 85.** 11 **So you will get the 10, just like you're supposed to.** 12 **This little station before us sold 8,000 gallons a** 13 **month. But we opened this up, gave our customers more** 14 **choices, and now we're selling over 90,000 gallons a** 15 **month.** 16 **But now the EPA wants to pull the rug out from** 17 **under our family farm's total operation. These cuts** 18 **would hurt our feed supply for our livestock, would** 19 **raise the price of fuel, and lower the price of corn** 20 **even more.** 21 **Today, there are 10 million bushels more corn in** 22 **the world than there were just 10 years ago. We need Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **more markets, not less.** 2 **The RFS was working and growing right along with** 3 **the corn yield trends of the United States. Corn price** 4 **now is $3.40. That's 85 cents a bushel less than my** 5 **break-even for an average yield.** 6 **This is the worst possible time to cut a program** 7 **that is working. For the life of me, I cannot** 8 **understand cutting a program that is homegrown, better** 9 **for the environment, and working just like it's** 10 **supposed to.** 11 **In closing, in sports we have a review or a** 12 **challenge to revisit a call that is made, and in order** 13 **to reverse the call, there has to be a clear evidence** 14 **that the call was wrong to overturn it. Well, Congress** 15 **made the call in 2007, and now the EPA is calling to** 16 **review it or challenge it.** 17 **But by the support I've seen here today and the** 18 **testimonies I've heard and the facts I gave you about** 19 **our family farm and our family's gas station, it should** 20 **be an easy decision that you cannot overturn what** 21 **Congress did in 2007. And I ask you to let Congress'** 22 **call stand as the right call for the United States.**

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1 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you.** 2 **(Applause.)** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Schutte, please?** 4 **MR. SCHUTTE: My name is Jay Schutte. I farm with** 5 **my brothers and niece's husband near the town of Benton** 6 **City, Missouri.** 7 **For the record, I am not just a farmer. I am also** 8 **a board member of Mid-America Biofuels, a biodiesel** 9 **facility in Mexico, Missouri; a board member and** 10 **treasurer of East Central Ag Products, which is the** 11 **farmer-owned portion of POET biorefining facility in** 12 **Laddonia, Missouri; and a board member on the Missouri** 13 **Corn Growers and Missouri Corn Merchandising Council.** 14 **In my area of the world, homegrown, renewable** 15 **fuels have not just helped the agricultural economy,** 16 **but given us a sense of prosperity. Gone are the days** 17 **of subsidy payments received from the Government** 18 **because the grain prices were so terribly low.** 19 **I am here today to ask that the RVO levels be kept** 20 **intact. I am a firm believer that the role of** 21 **government should be limited, and the role of** 22 **government should be to do for the people what they** Page 200

1 **cannot do for themselves. Before the RFS, the American** 2 **consumer could not ask for a blend of ethanol as an** 3 **individual.** 4 **The oil companies have long had a monopoly on the** 5 **liquid fuel industry, and the RFS provides the American** 6 **consumer with a clean, safe alternative. The term** 7 **"free markets" is used quite often today. What we** 8 **really need are fair markets. The oil companies do not** 9 **have a monopoly in the marketplace, but they certainly** 10 **have a monopoly of ideology, and that ideology is to** 11 **reduce, if not eliminate, ethanol from the market.** 12 **By allowing ethanol to stay in the market today,** 13 **the American consumer is given an economic benefit, and** 14 **that is the freedom that is at stake today. The** 15 **economic benefits to my State are far-reaching. Here** 16 **in Missouri, 15 percent of the people are employed in** 17 **agriculture or agriculturally related fields. Corn and** 18 **ethanol industry in my State employs 67,000 people.** 19 **From 2000 to 2011, corn ethanol industry provided** 20 **an economic benefit to the State of $12 billion, paid** 21 **in $127 million annually in State and local taxes, $222** 22 **million in Federal taxes. The POET plant in my area**

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1 **employs 40 people and pays property taxes to the local** 2 **school district of around $150,000. In a town of 240** 3 **people, this is very significant.** 4 **I would consider this a significant contribution** 5 **to my State and to my community from an industry that** 6 **is really very young and not receiving a subsidy.** 7 **Today, we are asking that the RVO be maintained at the** 8 **current levels.** 9 **In conclusion, we have a fragile economic** 10 **situation in rural America. There is a very simple** 11 **solution that is in place that does not cost the** 12 **taxpayer one cent, and that is to leave the RVO levels** 13 **as they are. I cannot help but think that the analogy** 14 **of Benjamin Franklin that democracy is two wolves and a** 15 **sheep voting on what to have for dinner, but liberty is** 16 **when you have a well-armed sheep.** 17 **The production efficiencies have improved in the** 18 **ethanol industry. Can the oil industry say the same** 19 **thing? Corn prices have dropped over 50 percent from** 20 **the levels in reaction to the 2008 drought. Has the** 21 **food industry reduced their prices because of these** 22 **savings? Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **The only protection the ethanol industry has is** 2 **the RFS and the RVO.** 3 **Thank you very much for your time.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony.** 5 **(Applause.)** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Hurst, please?** 7 **MR. HURST: Thank you. Good afternoon.** 8 **My name is Kevin Hurst. I'm involved in a multi** 9 **generational family farm around the town of Tarkio in** 10 **northwest Missouri, and we raise yellow corn, white** 11 **corn, and soybeans. Today, I should be planting.** 12 **Nonstop rains have kept us out of the field and** 13 **put our operation at risk. I cannot control that.** 14 **What is unfortunate, though, is today we again have to** 15 **be here to remind the EPA they are ignoring the law** 16 **with regard to the proposed RVO numbers.** 17 **As president of the Missouri Corn Growers** 18 **Association, I speak on behalf of our members when I** 19 **say that the ethanol continues to be a very important** 20 **and key market for our product, and the RFS is working** 21 **as intended.** 22 **We, as corn farmers, have upheld our commitment to**

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1 **the RFS by supplying the production necessary to** 2 **produce plenty of ethanol. The oil industry, on the** 3 **other hand, has not upheld their end of the deal by** 4 **moving to higher blends.** 5 **What good does it do to pass a law if you are not** 6 **going to enforce it? The oil industry must be forced** 7 **to move to higher blends by strict enforcement of the** 8 **RFS statute.** 9 **We've heard about the blend wall today, and it's** 10 **important to point out that the blend wall only exists** 11 **because the oil industry has manufactured it and the** 12 **EPA has bought into it. The blend wall does not exist** 13 **if you stick to the statutory numbers necessary and** 14 **drive investment in infrastructure which is what the** 15 **RFS was also intended to do.** 16 **And I should point out at this point that the oil** 17 **industry has had 8 long years to improve** 18 **infrastructure, and they chose not to do it. The oil** 19 **companies can comply with the law by blending the** 20 **statutory amount or by purchasing RINs. They can move** 21 **to higher blends of ethanol easily, and frankly, they** 22 **have no excuse not to blend to the statutory level of** Page 204

1 **15 billion gallons.** 2 **I appreciate your traveling to the Midwest for** 3 **this hearing, and I hope this time that you listen to** 4 **the voices of the many farmers that are in this room.** 5 **We have fought hard for the ethanol industry, and we** 6 **will continue fighting hard for the ethanol industry.** 7 **But the EPA must hold up its end of the agreement and** 8 **enforce the RFS like that was intended by the will of** 9 **Congress, not by the will of the oil companies.** 10 **(Applause.)** 11 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Heitman, please?** 12 **MR. HEITMAN: My name is Morris Heitman. I'm** 13 **involved in the family farm operation and also the** 14 **current chairman of the Missouri Corn Merchandising** 15 **Council.** 16 **When it comes to a market for our corn, ethanol is** 17 **a big deal, and this decision is also a big deal. In** 18 **the State of Missouri alone, the RFS drives $6.3** 19 **billion in annual economic output. It supports 43,000** 20 **jobs, $1.5 billion in wages, and cultivates over $474** 21 **million in taxes.** 22 **These taxes keep our rural communities and schools**

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1 **moving forward. The wages ensure families can stay in** 2 **rural Missouri.** 3 **I mentioned before that ethanol is a big deal when** 4 **it comes to our market for our corn. As a member of** 5 **the Merchandising Council, we are constantly analyzing** 6 **our markets and where our dollars should be invested to** 7 **increase corn demand. This analysis is why we continue** 8 **to invest in ethanol, from consumer education to** 9 **helping retailers install equipment.** 10 **We were excited when the USDA announced $100** 11 **million in funding for ethanol infrastructure. We have** 12 **already decided to commit $1 million to that effort in** 13 **the State of Missouri.** 14 **Given this historic investment in infrastructure,** 15 **it would be unthinkable for EPA not to move back to the** 16 **statutory numbers by November. Fifteen billion gallons** 17 **of corn-based ethanol by 2015 is what everyone agreed** 18 **to in 2007. Corn farmers have stuck by our agreement,** 19 **and EPA and big oil must do the same.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **(Applause.)** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony, and Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **thank you to Panel 17. If we could have Panel 19 move** 2 **up and Panel 21 get ready?** 3 **(Pause.)** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Is Mr. Baker here? Yes? No?** 5 **Okay. And we'll begin with Ms. Bertz.** 6 **MS. BERTZ: To the members of the EPA working on** 7 **the renewable fuel standard, thank you for your time** 8 **today.** 9 **My name is Kim Bertz, and I live in rural** 10 **Lafayette County, Missouri. I'm a farm wife, a mother** 11 **of three daughters, fully committed to the agricultural** 12 **industry, and I also represent Novozymes, who I have** 13 **worked for the past 8 years.** 14 **I appreciate the work you do. It's a** 15 **responsibility for research, analysis, and foresight to** 16 **do what's right for our nation and the generations to** 17 **come.** 18 **A healthy America is strong. It's sustainable and** 19 **independently able to nurture and defend itself.** 20 **America and the EPA has the opportunity to create even** 21 **greater strength for its people, its purpose, its pride** 22 **in generations to come. That opportunity is the RFS.**

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1 **Fuel is the lifeblood of this widespread,** 2 **resource-rich nation, enabling development and** 3 **production of goods and services, people and industry** 4 **to move throughout and across its borders. However, as** 5 **America grows, we need to increase our own inner** 6 **strength and sustainability, becoming less dependent on** 7 **foreign countries.** 8 **I fully support a strong RFS and because** 9 **increasing domestic renewable fuel leads to greater** 10 **national security, more American jobs, and lower** 11 **greenhouse gas emissions and lower gas prices. The RFS** 12 **is that strong foundation, our inner strength, enabling** 13 **our homegrown sustainable fuels that give our nation** 14 **the ability to thrive.** 15 **Living on a western Missouri production** 16 **agriculture corn and soybean farm, I see and feel the** 17 **widespread benefits of the RFS. Not only do our crops** 18 **produce American fuel and livestock to feed American** 19 **families, but I personally work in the bioenergy** 20 **sector.** 21 **I see and feel every day the incredible effect the** 22 **RFS has, from city to farm, national, State, and rural** Page 208

1 **community development. I don't know any program or** 2 **idea put into place that has a greater opportunity to** 3 **affect more Americans and strengthen our country than** 4 **the RFS.** 5 **The developers of the RFS, they were brilliant.** 6 **The EPA, however, has submitted a proposal that would** 7 **severely weaken America and directly contradicts the** 8 **EPA's other efforts, such as reducing the greenhouse** 9 **gas emissions. That proposal could increase the** 10 **greenhouse gas emissions equal to putting 2.1 million** 11 **more cars back on the road.** 12 **Renewable biofuels are the cleanest and the most** 13 **sustainable liquid fuel that we have in the world and** 14 **is the last industry you should consider ever pulling** 15 **back from. In the final rule, the EPA should require** 16 **obligated party compliance with the laws by blending** 17 **increasing volumes of renewable fuels.** 18 **Please support American ethanol, American jobs, a** 19 **cleaner environment, and greater national security.** 20 **Please support a stable RFS. The RFS works.** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Nixon, please?** 22 **MR. NIXON: My name is Kyle Nixon. I live in**

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1 **Omaha, Nebraska. I'm the general manager for Novozymes** 2 **at our plant in Blair, Nebraska. We provide enzymes** 3 **solely for ethanol plants.** 4 **I am writing in support of the renewable fuel** 5 **standard, and I hope you will consider my comments when** 6 **making your decision.** 7 **I support a strong Federal RFS because we need** 8 **more alternatives to our transportation fuel supply. A** 9 **diverse transportation fuel supply means lower** 10 **greenhouse gas emissions, greater economic development,** 11 **and jobs here in America. It also means lower gas** 12 **prices and greater national security.** 13 **On May 29th, the EPA released its proposed rule** 14 **for 2014, '15, and '16 renewable volume obligations** 15 **under the RFS. The EPA has proposed reducing the oil** 16 **industry's obligation to blend renewable fuel into** 17 **gasoline. That directly contradicts the EPA's other** 18 **efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.** 19 **This proposal would increase greenhouse gas** 20 **emissions by almost 10 million metric tons, the same** 21 **effect as putting 2.1 million more cars on the road.** 22 **In the final rule, EPA should require obligated parties Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **to comply with the law by blending increasing volumes** 2 **of renewable fuels.** 3 **Novozymes chose Blair, Nebraska, over several** 4 **different locations globally. The reason was simple.** 5 **There was a market for enzymes in the ethanol industry,** 6 **and Blair is in a centralized location close to our** 7 **customers. One of the drivers of that market is the** 8 **RFS. Because of that market, Novozymes has invested** 9 **over $240 million into our plant in Blair.** 10 **I was there from the beginning, and I watched as** 11 **we built this plant from the ground up and now have** 12 **over 115 employees. Those employees came to Novozymes** 13 **to better their lives and work for a company that cares** 14 **about the environment. At Novozymes, we strive daily** 15 **to reduce our use of water and energy and have made** 16 **this a goal for all of our plants globally.** 17 **As a company, we strive to support our local** 18 **communities. We help with funding to our local** 19 **community college so that students in Blair and the** 20 **surrounding communities have choices when they** 21 **graduate. We support local events and want to be an** 22 **integral part of our community.**

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1 **I see how our employees care about our company and** 2 **our customers and appreciate where they work and where** 3 **they live. I have witnessed how we have changed lives** 4 **and improved the economy for the City of Blair and also** 5 **for the State of Nebraska.** 6 **We also built this plant for growth, but that is** 7 **only possible if the market continues to grow. The RFS** 8 **plays a strong role in continuing what we started.** 9 **Please change the final proposal so that it complies** 10 **with the existing law and continues to diversify our** 11 **national fuel supply with low-carbon, sustainable** 12 **biofuels.** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. Mr.** 15 **Williams, please?** 16 **MR. WILLIAMS: Hello. My name is Andy Williams.** 17 **I live in Omaha, Nebraska.** 18 **I'm speaking on behalf of Novozymes, and I'm** 19 **testifying in support of the renewable fuel standard.** 20 **I hope you will consider my comments when making your** 21 **decision.** 22 **I support a stronger Federal RFS due to the many** Page 212

1 **benefits it provides. These benefits include lower** 2 **greenhouse gas emissions, lower gas prices, less** 3 **dependence on foreign oil, greater national security,** 4 **and most importantly, more American jobs, including my** 5 **own.** 6 **The proposal directly contradicts the EPA's** 7 **efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, increasing** 8 **one of the world's leading concerns, global warming.** 9 **It also risks the elimination of thousands of American** 10 **jobs.** 11 **According to the Fuel America Coalition, the** 12 **renewable fuels industry, which includes biodiesel,** 13 **conventional and cellulosic ethanol, as well as** 14 **advanced biofuels and their suppliers, supported** 15 **852,000 jobs in 2014. This is an American-built** 16 **industry that is leading the world in the production of** 17 **the cleanest and most sustainable liquid transportation** 18 **fuel. These fuels are available today, thanks in part** 19 **to the renewable fuel standard.** 20 **I was hired in February of 2012 to be a plant** 21 **operator. Since then, I've been promoted to lead** 22 **operator at Novozymes in Blair, Nebraska. I oversee**

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1 **six operators, not including myself, and half of our** 2 **plant on my shift. Our site is a major producer of** 3 **enzymes that are used in the cellulosic and corn-based** 4 **ethanol plants.** 5 **Together with customers, partners, and the global** 6 **community, we strive to improve industrial performance** 7 **while preserving the planet's resources and helping to** 8 **build better lives. This is accomplished by our** 9 **enzymes' ability to increase yields while decreasing** 10 **our customers' energy and water costs to operate.** 11 **Our site broke ground in November of 2009 and** 12 **started producing products in July of 2012 specifically** 13 **for the biofuel industry. In our almost 3 years of** 14 **operation, we have gone from start-up to leading our** 15 **company worldwide in almost all of the enzymes for** 16 **biofuel that we produce while also having drastically** 17 **reduced our energy and water costs.** 18 **We are driven at Novozymes by the will to change** 19 **our world for the better. Novozymes management has** 20 **worked extensively to try and ensure all 100-plus** 21 **employees on our site have long-term career** 22 **opportunities. I'm excited and feel privileged to work Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **for a company that is working toward a greener and** 2 **cleaner world.** 3 **Please help ensure we can continue our company and** 4 **personal goals towards a better tomorrow. In final,** 5 **the EPA should require obligated parties to comply with** 6 **the law by blending increasing volumes of renewable** 7 **fuels. Please support American jobs, a cleaner** 8 **environment, greater national security. A stable RFS** 9 **is a big step towards a better tomorrow.** 10 **Thank you.** 11 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you.** 12 **(Applause.)** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Bernich, please?** 14 **MR. BERNICH: Hello. My name is Mike Bernich.** 15 **I'm the fleet manager at Lambert St. Louis** 16 **International Airport.** 17 **Thank you for giving me this time to share with** 18 **you my experience with biodiesel at Lambert Airport in** 19 **St. Louis, Missouri.** 20 **Lambert first started experimenting with biodiesel** 21 **in the late 1980s. We tested mixtures from 5 percent** 22 **to 50 percent, specifically concentrating on the**

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1 **ability to treat biodiesel as a routine fueling** 2 **product. We settled on a 20 percent bioblend, as we** 3 **could treat this percentage similar to 100 percent** 4 **diesel and still receive the benefits of a cleaner** 5 **burning, less odorous diesel blend.** 6 **Biodiesel is presently used in over 200 pieces of** 7 **the airport's equipment from single-cylinder diesels to** 8 **over 600 horsepower aircraft rescue and firefighting** 9 **equipment and specialized airport snow removal** 10 **equipment. The use of B20 has resulted in exhaust** 11 **indices that are well below the Federal allowable** 12 **minimum levels.** 13 **With added lubricity, biodiesel has increased** 14 **injection pump and injector life. Our operators do not** 15 **complain of the harsh smell of diesel exhaust. There** 16 **is less dependency on foreign oils, and biodiesel is a** 17 **genuine homegrown fuel.** 18 **With biodiesel, we do not incur any added cost for** 19 **conversions to an alternative homegrown American fuel.** 20 **We just purchase the blend and use it. Although** 21 **Lambert is just a small user in the overall picture,** 22 **our yearly average biodiesel consumption is typically** Page 216

1 **over 80,500 gallons.** 2 **In closing, I would like to thank the board for** 3 **giving me a few moments of their time and also state** 4 **that renewable American fuels is leading our nation** 5 **into the future. We need to become self-preserving in** 6 **our nation's fuel resources. One way to accomplish** 7 **this is by Federal policy that encourages and supports** 8 **the still young and growing biodiesel producers and** 9 **increasing volumes in the proposed 2016 and 2017** 10 **regulations.** 11 **(Applause.)** 12 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Gayler?** 13 **MR. GALES: Thank you.** 14 **Good afternoon. My name is Don Gales. I'm the** 15 **CEO of White Energy.** 16 **We have three ethanol production facilities and** 17 **one food-grade wheat processing facility located on the** 18 **high plains of Kansas and Texas. We have permitted** 19 **capacity of 295 million gallons, and we generate both** 20 **conventional and advanced biofuel RINs.** 21 **We process corn, grain sorghum, and separated food** 22 **waste feedstock from the wheat processing facility. We**

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1 **produce some of the lowest carbon intense fuel that's** 2 **generated in the United States.** 3 **I'll start my comments by what's the value of an** 4 **obligation of the United States Government? What's the** 5 **value of a Treasury bill? What's the value of the** 6 **commitment of the Social Security? And now the line is** 7 **what's the value of a law of the United States that's** 8 **been appropriately passed and not properly implemented?** 9 **Successful businesses make business plans that** 10 **take many items into consideration, and they're done to** 11 **make sure that the business is going to succeed and** 12 **move its business forward. One of the most important** 13 **aspects of business plans are the laws that apply to** 14 **those businesses.** 15 **The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007** 16 **laid the framework to develop renewable fuel** 17 **investments in the United States that would move us to** 18 **the next generation with clean fuel. The RFS always** 19 **intended to have ethanol inclusions over 10 percent of** 20 **the fuel supply. The RFS gave adequate time for** 21 **petroleum refining, distribution, and marketing to be** 22 **ready for the higher blends. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **I'm an old person. I have gray hair. When the** 2 **United States Government took action to phase out** 3 **leaded gas out of the U.S. fuel supply, there was a** 4 **timeline defined, and the U.S. Government held the** 5 **petroleum industry to that timeline to make sure it was** 6 **successful. Why hasn't the EPA administered the RFS in** 7 **the same manner as the phaseout of leaded gas?** 8 **The EPA has chosen to change the intent of the RFS** 9 **based off untruths and roadblocks by some of the** 10 **participants of the petroleum industry. In the same** 11 **breath, the EPA wonders why the industry isn't doing** 12 **more to develop advanced biofuels. What business is** 13 **going to be able to source capital to invest in the** 14 **next generation of biofuels if the EPA isn't going to** 15 **enforce the RFS of today?** 16 **Changing the RVO based on perceived inadequate** 17 **domestic supply is a fallacy. Changing the RVO on** 18 **perceived blend wall counteracts incentive,** 19 **requirement, and guidance to change the supply** 20 **infrastructure.** 21 **Brazil has utilized higher blends of ethanol in** 22 **cars, motorcycles, and small engines without mechanical**

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1 **failures. They are a true testament to what can be** 2 **done with higher renewable energy.** 3 **The renewable fuels industry has the capacity to** 4 **produce lower-carbon fuels than we are today. Without** 5 **proper implementation of the RFS, what's the incentive?** 6 **Why would the industry invest billions of dollars in** 7 **lower carbon technologies?** 8 **This can be changed. The EPA can rebuild the** 9 **integrity of the RFS by doing what's right with the** 10 **RVOs. This will unleash substantial investment into** 11 **the facilities that will create billions of gallons of** 12 **lower-carbon fuels and will improve our environment,** 13 **reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, and increase our** 14 **energy security.** 15 **Thank you very much for your time this afternoon.** 16 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony, and** 17 **thank you, Panel 19.** 18 **If we could, before we start with Panel 21, just** 19 **take like a 5-minute break, I'd appreciate it.** 20 **(Recess.)** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: We're about to get started. If you** 22 **could take your seats or go out in the hall. This** Page 220

1 **means you, Greco.** 2 **I want to welcome Panel 21 up to the table, and** 3 **Panel 23 can make your way to the staging area.** 4 **On Panel 21 is Steve Howell, David DeRamus, Joshua** 5 **Andrews, Andrea Kavaler. Welcome. Please proceed.** 6 **MR. HOWELL: Thank you.** 7 **Good morning. My name is Steve Howell. I'm a** 8 **principal and co-founder of MARC-IV Consulting. I** 9 **currently serve as a senior technical adviser for the** 10 **National Biodiesel Board. I'm also the chairman of** 11 **ASTM International's Biodiesel Task Force, a position** 12 **I've held since 1994.** 13 **Over the last 20 years, the biodiesel industry has** 14 **worked to put into place the practices and options for** 15 **successful use of higher biodiesel blends in cold** 16 **weather, such as blending with Number 1 diesel fuel,** 17 **use of cold-flow additives, or use of the relatively** 18 **new Number 1 B grade of B100, which we just recently** 19 **put in the D6751 standard.** 20 **As an example of this success, B5 has been** 21 **mandated over the entire year in Minnesota, one of our** 22 **coldest States, with great success. In addition, data**

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1 **from the Illinois Bureau of Weights and Measures from** 2 **2011 to 2013 indicated 55 percent of the diesel fuel** 3 **sold in Illinois, logging an estimated 15 billion** 4 **miles, ran blends over B10 with no increase in consumer** 5 **complaints.** 6 **One railroad company recently tracked cloud point** 7 **results, which showed no significant differences in** 8 **reported cloud points for batches containing biodiesel** 9 **versus those containing no biodiesel in the fuel they** 10 **purchased. This data indicates there's no technical** 11 **basis to say cold-flow impacts of biodiesel blends** 12 **should in any way be a limiting factor for higher** 13 **biodiesel volumes being contemplated in the RFS.** 14 **Many may not know that biodiesel is also being** 15 **used in home heating oil applications as bioheat in** 16 **increasing amounts in the 8 billion gallon per year** 17 **heating oil market. The National Oil Heat Research** 18 **Alliance sees ultra low sulfur, ultra low carbon** 19 **biodiesel in increasing concentrations as the future of** 20 **their industry to help them transition to a 21st** 21 **century fuel with the eventual goal of reaching full** 22 **B100 penetration by 2050, 2050. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **To facilitate these higher volumes, 5 percent** 2 **biodiesel was incorporated in the ASTM D396 fuel oil** 3 **standard in 208. A new B6 to B20 grade was recently** 4 **approved just this year in ASTM D396, and ASTM will** 5 **start balloting up to B100 in the D396 fuel oil** 6 **standard beginning in 2016.** 7 **But the market is not waiting for the ASTM** 8 **standards to use higher blends of biodiesel. Worley &** 9 **Obetz, a leading fuel oil dealer in the northeast, has** 10 **been selling B20 blends without incident to their** 11 **customers since for over 14 years, and the National Oil** 12 **Heat Research Alliance Survey recently indicated over** 13 **2,500 customers are already using B21 to B100 blends in** 14 **their existing equipment.** 15 **This is proof positive that just because equipment** 16 **companies haven't formally tested or approved higher** 17 **blends doesn't mean higher blends can't be used or that** 18 **higher blends are incompatible with new equipment.** 19 **Blends are also being transported through our** 20 **national pipeline system. Several pipelines are** 21 **already carrying biodiesel blends on lines that don't** 22 **carry jet fuel, and just recently, we got ASTM**

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1 **approval, FAA approval, and jet engine approval for 50** 2 **parts per million biodiesel in the D1655 jet fuel** 3 **standard, with plans to move that to 100 ppm in 2** 4 **years.** 5 **The ASTM standard will provide the flexibility for** 6 **pipeline operators to move biodiesel blends with full** 7 **faith and confidence in their ability to safely** 8 **maintain the ASTM jet fuel standards.** 9 **In closing, the biodiesel industry is doing our** 10 **part to address technical issues or barriers to the use** 11 **of higher biodiesel blends and will continue to do so** 12 **in the future, and that should give EPA increasing** 13 **confidence of the biodiesel volumes and increasing** 14 **biodiesel volumes as part of the RFS2.** 15 **Thank you.** 16 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. That's very** 17 **helpful.** 18 **(Applause.)** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Got some fans in the room. Please** 20 **proceed.** 21 **MR. DERAMUS: Thank you.** 22 **My name is David DeRamus, and I'm an economist** Page 224

1 **with the economic consulting firm of Bates White.** 2 **In the framework convention on climate change, the** 3 **U.S. is committed to reduce CO2 emissions by 26 to 28** 4 **percent by 2025. The transportation sector is the** 5 **second-largest source of U.S. CO2 emissions, and diesel** 6 **is expected to account for an ever-greater share of** 7 **U.S. transportation fuels. Thus, targeted efforts to** 8 **reduce CO2 emissions from diesel are of paramount** 9 **importance.** 10 **As result of advances in biodiesel production with** 11 **the increased ability to use low-carbon footprint** 12 **feedstocks, such as waste greases, animal fats, and** 13 **distillers corn oil, biodiesel currently reduces CO2** 14 **emissions by 81 percent, compared with petroleum** 15 **diesel. While the biodiesel accounts for only 3** 16 **percent of total U.S. petroleum diesel consumption,** 17 **biodiesel reduced U.S. CO2 emissions by over 16 million** 18 **tons in 2014, equivalent to eliminating 3.6 million** 19 **cars.** 20 **If U.S. biodiesel volumes were to grow by 350** 21 **million gallons annually, by 2025, it would still** 22 **amount to less than 9 percent of U.S. diesel**

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1 **consumption, but it would provide 18 percent of the** 2 **entire transportation sector's share of the U.S.** 3 **commitment to reduce CO2 emissions.** 4 **The cost-effectiveness of biodiesel as a means of** 5 **reducing CO2 emissions can be measured as a difference** 6 **between the cost to produce biodiesel and the wholesale** 7 **price of petroleum diesel. In recent years, this cost** 8 **differential has narrowed as a result of investments in** 9 **processing technology and production capacity.** 10 **In 2011, the cost of using biodiesel to reduce CO2** 11 **emissions was approximately $158 per avoided ton of CO2** 12 **emissions. By 2014, this cost had declined by 78** 13 **percent to $34 per ton of CO2. These estimates are** 14 **highly conservative, as they do not account for** 15 **biodiesel's substantial other benefits, from energy** 16 **security and reduced particulate emissions.** 17 **Although this cost of reducing CO2 emissions** 18 **increased in 2015, this was not due to increased** 19 **biodiesel production costs, but rather to a sharp** 20 **decline in world petroleum prices. And as petroleum** 21 **prices recover, the cost of using biodiesel to reduce** 22 **CO2 emissions will drop back to their 2014 level or Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **below.** 2 **The recent rapid growth of biodiesel as a low** 3 **carbon alternative fuel represents a major success of** 4 **the RFS2 program. In 2010 at the start of RFS2, the** 5 **U.S. produced only 340 million gallons of biodiesel.** 6 **By 2013, it produced fully 1.4 billion gallons.** 7 **While biodiesel was almost an afterthought in the** 8 **initial RFS policy formulation, the industry's response** 9 **has resulted in a widely available product that** 10 **contributes significantly to U.S. CO2 reduction goals** 11 **while also promoting retail competition at the pump.** 12 **The EPA's current proposal for biodiesel volumes of 1.9** 13 **billion gallons in 2017, however, does not represent a** 14 **particularly significant change from the status quo, as** 15 **it represents just a 4 percent annual growth rate** 16 **relative to 2014 actual volumes.** 17 **It is also unnecessarily low, given that there is** 18 **considerable excess U.S. production capacity, there are** 19 **ample feedstocks, there is no blend wall, and there is** 20 **little risk of adverse impacts on retail fuel prices.** 21 **From an economic perspective, given its cost** 22 **effectiveness in reducing CO2 emissions, further**

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1 **increasing RFS2 biodiesel volumes is a no-brainer.** 2 **Thank you.** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Will you be providing** 4 **us for the record your more detailed economic and** 5 **technical analysis?** 6 **MR. DERAMUS: Yes, I will.** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Please proceed.** 8 **MS. KAVALER: I am Andrea Kavaler, executive vice** 9 **president for LMC International, Limited, an** 10 **independent consulting firm founded in 1980 to analyze** 11 **the economics and markets of agricultural commodities.** 12 **Our largest specialty covers oil, seeds, and vegetable** 13 **oils, and their downstream products, including** 14 **biodiesel.** 15 **We have staff in several strategic locations** 16 **throughout the world, researching markets and policies.** 17 **As a result, when the National Biodiesel Board needed** 18 **a third-party evaluation of global availability of** 19 **feedstocks for biodiesel production, they commissioned** 20 **LMC to undertake it.** 21 **We submitted a study to the EPA in January 2014,** 22 **which we have just updated and extended. We were asked** Page 228

1 **to do five things. Number one, to examine recent** 2 **global production of RFS qualifying vegetable oils and** 3 **fats and to forecast production to 2020.** 4 **Number two, to do the same for RFS nonqualifying** 5 **feedstocks.** 6 **Number three, to evaluate the U.S.'s and Canada's** 7 **share of global supply of qualifying feedstocks.** 8 **Number four, to examine consumption of fats and** 9 **oils by end use, distinguishing between food,** 10 **biodiesel, and other.** 11 **Number five, to consider a host of possible** 12 **changes in market factors that may influence the supply** 13 **and demand for vegetable oils and fats.** 14 **The study is lengthy. So I will just summarize it** 15 **here. The single most important takeaway from our** 16 **global analysis is that there are large volumes of** 17 **vegetable oils and fats in the marketplace and that** 18 **these volumes are getting ever-larger, dwarfing** 19 **biodiesel's demand for these feedstocks.** 20 **So when analyzing feedstocks that would fill a** 21 **proposed requirement for biodiesel and renewable diesel** 22 **of at least 1.9 billion gallons in 2017, a number only**

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1 **slightly larger than actual production in each of the** 2 **last 2 years, there is little, if any, impact on** 3 **feedstock supply. We project total global production** 4 **of qualifying feedstocks to rise from 112 million** 5 **metric tons last year to more than 137 million by 2020,** 6 **and over half of that growth is expected to come from** 7 **increased production of soybean oil.** 8 **Looking just at 2016, the supply of qualifying** 9 **feedstocks is projected to rise strongly from 117** 10 **million metric tons this year to 120 million next.** 11 **In 2015, we estimate that the demand for these** 12 **feedstocks by uses other than biodiesel will be almost** 13 **92 million metric tons. That still leaves 25 million** 14 **metric tons of qualifying feedstocks for biodiesel,** 15 **equivalent to 7.6 billion gallons of biodiesel, and the** 16 **U.S. program is expected at only 1.7 billion.** 17 **By 2020, these numbers will rise significantly to** 18 **28.4 million metric tons of qualifying feedstocks** 19 **available for biodiesel production after accounting for** 20 **other uses. That's the equivalent of 8.5 billion** 21 **gallons of biodiesel.** 22 **In conclusion, this year and next and in the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **longer term, there will be more than enough qualifying** 2 **feedstocks to produce biodiesel for the U.S., and only** 3 **a small percentage of those feedstocks will go into** 4 **biodiesel, even allowing for significant growth in the** 5 **program.** 6 **Thank you for your consideration.** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. I might have missed** 8 **this, but did you constrain your analysis, your** 9 **feedstock analysis to domestic sources, or did you look** 10 **globally?** 11 **MS. KAVALER: We did both. So the study that we** 12 **will be submitting to EPA in full and in detail looks** 13 **at the supplies, both within the U.S. and Canada. We** 14 **looked at them separately and together, and globally.** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Thank you very much.** 16 **Thank you, panel. I'd like to invite the next** 17 **panel.** 18 **(Applause.)** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Welcome, Panel 23. Panel 25 could** 20 **also make your way to the staging area. Panel 23,** 21 **we'll begin with Paul Kamp, followed by Jeff** 22 **Glendening, Bob Neufeld, Jason Stauffer, Scott Zaremba,**

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1 **and Art Tanderup.** 2 **Welcome, and thank you.** 3 **MR. KAMP: Thank you.** 4 **My name is Paul Kamp. My company, Leifmark, is in** 5 **the front lines of the biomass refinery industry. In** 6 **the United States and Canada, we utilize a proven** 7 **Inbicon technology that was developed in Denmark, and** 8 **we turn crop residues from U.S. farms into cellulosic** 9 **ethanol and a renewable solid fuel.** 10 **Turning biomass and waste into fuel and energy is** 11 **inevitable for society. I have to believe that every** 12 **single morning when I wake up. Our generation is** 13 **poised to either lead in that or to give in to the** 14 **interests of the entrenched energy industry. We're** 15 **there now.** 16 **I'm from Illinois. I'm a long-term supporter of** 17 **renewable fuels made from crops and crop waste, and** 18 **I've invested a lot of my own time and money to make** 19 **that happen.** 20 **Corn ethanol is a great success. We've heard that** 21 **many times today. There was huge growth from 2005 to** 22 **2008, thanks to the strong market signals that were set** Page 232

1 **in RFS2.** 2 **Corn stover and wheat straw refining expand on** 3 **that success, and we now use the crop waste for** 4 **cellulosic ethanol production, and we can make 100** 5 **percent renewable steam and power for our process and a** 6 **co-located plant. Our technology has been proven at** 7 **industrial scale. It produces real gallons of** 8 **extremely low-carbon intensity cellulosic fuel, and** 9 **Leifmark has thoroughly validated the economics for the** 10 **U.S., especially when co-located with a corn ethanol** 11 **plant.** 12 **This points to a future industry-wide solution** 13 **that enhances farm revenues, creates hundreds of** 14 **thousands of new jobs, and billions of dollars in new** 15 **domestic economic activity. One of the comments that** 16 **shocks me when I hear it from EPA staff members, and** 17 **I've heard it more than once, is that maybe cellulosic** 18 **will have to push out corn.** 19 **In my world, that couldn't be farther from the** 20 **truth. It implies a mindset based on the fictitious** 21 **E10 blend wall math that there's only so many gallons** 22 **that we can use. It's essential that the corn ethanol**

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1 **industry is healthy for cellulosic to take off to the** 2 **volumes proposed in RFS2 because it starts with farms.** 3 **My main point is as a company that's developed a** 4 **proven process technology, we have U.S. projects that** 5 **look attractive now. Future owners and decision makers** 6 **are awaiting the market signals just like last decade.** 7 **We need to get the first few plants built and** 8 **operating, and many, many others will follow.** 9 **But each new announced ruling from the EPA has** 10 **specifically caused delays, and we're on the front** 11 **lines, and we've seen this directly in our business.** 12 **As a real-world example, leading up November 15, 2013,** 13 **the day EPA proposed to decrease biofuel volumes, we** 14 **had four project groups enthused and ready to go ahead** 15 **into the first phases of project development.** 16 **Those plants could now all be well into a** 17 **construction schedule. Instead, the following week** 18 **after that EPA proposal to cut volumes, all four** 19 **projects called our company and announced that all the** 20 **work would be put on hold. And that was very** 21 **devastating for our company. It really hurt.** 22 **We went back to the drawing board, working with Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **three of the ethanol producers in 2014. We found that** 2 **the projects still made good economic sense. Again,** 3 **the softened cellulosic waiver credit in early 2015** 4 **cast uncertainty over all of our pricing formulas, and** 5 **early movers in cellulosic are now not being rewarded** 6 **as intended with D3 RIN value.** 7 **The June 1st announcement about volume obligations** 8 **scratched the surface of the blend wall, but it did not** 9 **do enough. It appeared that --** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Kamp, I need you to wrap it up,** 11 **please.** 12 **MR. KAMP: -- we're still relying on volume** 13 **calculations based on U.S. transportation fuel and E10** 14 **blend wall.** 15 **So when we ask what will it take? The answer from** 16 **these leading producers, people willing to go first, is** 17 **always we have to wait and see what the EPA is going to** 18 **do. So you guys have a very important role in this** 19 **development.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr.** 21 **Glendening?** 22 **MR. GLENDENING: Good afternoon. Thank you for**

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1 **the opportunity to comment today on the new proposed** 2 **volume levels for RFS.** 3 **My name is Jeff Glendening. I'm the Kansas State** 4 **director of Americans for Prosperity, and I'm here** 5 **today on behalf of our over 2.5 million AFP activists** 6 **nationwide in all 50 States, including over 40,000** 7 **activists who call Kansas home.** 8 **While Americans for Prosperity supports efforts to** 9 **repeal the RFS in its entirety, we're encouraged to see** 10 **that the EPA has proposed to reduce the overall** 11 **renewable fuel blending requirements. This proposed** 12 **rule is a step in the right direction to relieving** 13 **American families and businesses from the harmful** 14 **effects of this energy mandate, but it does not go far** 15 **enough.** 16 **EPA's lower blending requirements are an admission** 17 **that the RFS is out of touch with economic realities.** 18 **Increases in fuel economy and persistent sluggish** 19 **economic conditions have led to lower levels of fuel** 20 **demand than expected. Moreover, many vehicles** 21 **currently on the road are not designed or equipped to** 22 **handle the higher levels of ethanol consumption that** Page 236

1 **the RFS mandate seeks to impose.** 2 **In general, AFP opposes the RFS because it's** 3 **harmful to consumers and because it represents a** 4 **special interest corporate welfare carve-out. In** 5 **short, the blend requirement amounts to a subsidy for** 6 **the ethanol industry, a subsidy underwritten by** 7 **American motorists at the fuel pump.** 8 **We are also concerned about the high cost of RFS** 9 **compliance on small businesses, including gasoline** 10 **refiners and convenience stores, as we've heard earlier** 11 **today. Refiners are forced to buy expensive renewable** 12 **identification numbers or face a fine, while service** 13 **station owners are forced to install expensive new** 14 **equipment.** 15 **AFP is encouraged by any proposed reduction in the** 16 **overall renewable fuel blending requirements, but we** 17 **continue to believe that this mandate is harmful at any** 18 **level, and we hope lawmakers will quickly move to** 19 **repeal it in its entirety.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Neufeld?** 21 **MR. NEUFELD: Do I get his time?** 22 **(Laughter.)**

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1 **MR. NEUFELD: No? Oh, okay. Good afternoon. My** 2 **name is Bob Neufeld. I'm vice president of environment** 3 **and government relations for Wyoming Refining Company.** 4 **I am here representing the small refinery owners** 5 **ad hoc coalition, which seeks solutions to the** 6 **structural competitive disadvantage imposed on small** 7 **merchant refineries by the RFS obligation scheme. I** 8 **wish to speak about what is not in the proposed rule.** 9 **First, EPA should promulgate an objective standard** 10 **for determining when a small refinery meets the** 11 **viability impairment test for an RFS2 exemption.** 12 **Second, the coalition asks EPA to move the point** 13 **of obligation to the collection point for Federal and** 14 **State motor fuel excise taxes.** 15 **RINs are free or nearly so for blenders. They** 16 **cost renewable fuel producers nothing to create, and** 17 **ethanol industry competition prevents producers from** 18 **charging blenders for a fictitious production cost.** 19 **Furthermore, the RFS2 rules prohibit renewable fuel** 20 **producers from selling unattached RINs. If the** 21 **producer does not attach RINs to shipped renewable** 22 **fuel, the RINs stay put. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **The EPA prosecutes people who try to do otherwise.** 2 **That which cannot be marketed has little or no value.** 3 **The point of obligation and free RINs explain why the** 4 **merchant refiner cannot recover its compliance costs at** 5 **the bulk sales level upstream of the rack. They** 6 **explain why the merchant refiner cannot recover its** 7 **compliance costs at the terminal sales rack.** 8 **Furthermore, they explain how marketers can afford** 9 **to share RIN value with their rack customers using** 10 **windfall profits gained by selling RINs to us.** 11 **Coalition members that do blend never see any such** 12 **profits and, thus, cannot share them.** 13 **In addition, exempting marketers from the** 14 **compliance obligation means their RIN windfall need not** 15 **be used to upgrade retail stations to E15 and E85** 16 **service. Should EPA ever raise national volumes to** 17 **statutory levels or beyond, exempt blenders may** 18 **continue to sell E10 and harvest an even larger** 19 **windfall as RIN prices again skyrocket.** 20 **As long as exempt parties may sell E10, higher** 21 **national standards may be ignored. The best path is to** 22 **change the point of obligation so that the ability to**

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1 **comply and obligation to comply are aligned within the** 2 **current petroleum refining and marketing business** 3 **structure. In 2010, EPA declared the current point of** 4 **obligation invalid. It is time to move that point to** 5 **the rack.** 6 **The failure to address this fundamental flaw in** 7 **the program when EPA has previously committed to do so** 8 **and the failure to make hardship evaluations a product** 9 **of objectivity instead of the subjectivity that now** 10 **reigns make the current proposal invalid.** 11 **Thank you for this opportunity to present our** 12 **views. We will be submitting more detailed comments** 13 **before the deadline.** 14 **And while I still have 10 seconds left, I'd like** 15 **to say observing the four of you here today have given** 16 **me my own new personal definition of the term** 17 **"hardass."** 18 **(Laughter.)** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: I'm not quite sure what to make of** 20 **that comment, but it's in the record. Thank you.** 21 **MR. NEUFELD: It's a physical description, not a** 22 **behavioral one.** Page 240

1 **MR. GRUNDLER: Ah. Thank you for that. Mr.** 2 **Stauffer? Do we have a Jason Stauffer?** 3 **MR. STAUFFER: Oh, right here. Sorry.** 4 **Good afternoon.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: I'm still trying to understand what** 6 **he was saying.** 7 **MR. STAUFFER: Yeah, I was absorbing it myself.** 8 **(Laughter.)** 9 **MR. GRUNDLER: It takes a few seconds. Please** 10 **proceed.** 11 **MR. STAUFFER: Yeah. I appreciate this** 12 **opportunity to be in front of you guys today** 13 **testifying.** 14 **My name is Jason Stauffer. I'm the retail fuels** 15 **manager in business development for STAR Energy,** 16 **located in Manson, Iowa. We currently operate 17** 17 **retail fuel stations throughout northwest Iowa. Of** 18 **these 17 stations, 3 locations -- Fort Dodge, Storm** 19 **Lake, and Spencer -- offer higher ethanol blends.** 20 **In the fall of 2013, we became the 14th retail** 21 **station in Iowa to offer E15 as a registered fuel in** 22 **Fort Dodge. We spent a lot of time and resources**

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1 **educating our customers about the proper use of E15 as** 2 **a registered fuel, and we promoted it as another choice** 3 **at the pump and explained the importance of the ethanol** 4 **to the Iowa economy.** 5 **Between September 16th and May 31st, 47 percent of** 6 **the gasoline that we sell is E15. Our customers like** 7 **the fuel's performance, and they like how it helps Iowa** 8 **grow stronger in renewable fuels. When we must switch** 9 **from E15 from a registered fuel to a flex fuel during** 10 **the summer months, our customers lose that option to** 11 **choose.** 12 **Twice a year, we also have to have the time and** 13 **expense of moving this product from a black hose to a** 14 **yellow hose, and vice versa. This is a lot of time and** 15 **a lot of expense that goes towards us.** 16 **Over the course of the last 3 years, I have been** 17 **bombarded by phone calls the week following June 1st.** 18 **I must educate our customers on the EPA policy that** 19 **forces me to take away their option to buy E15 as a** 20 **registered fuel. Customers want to choose -- want the** 21 **choice of E10 and E15. We, as a retail fuel supplier,** 22 **want to give them this choice. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **To meet the required vapor pressure, also referred** 2 **to as RVP, during the summer, we continue to evaluate** 3 **different options to offer our customers as clean** 4 **burning fuel that they desire. Over the past 3 years,** 5 **we have evaluated the option of bringing in low RVP** 6 **gasoline from out of State.** 7 **Due to the transportation cost associated with** 8 **that, along with much higher cost of the base product,** 9 **it does not create a viable option. Yes, I could bring** 10 **this product into our stations and offer E15 as a** 11 **registered fuel. However, at what cost?** 12 **We have seen an increase of anywhere from 15 to 28** 13 **cents a gallon in the base fuel. I don't believe the** 14 **answer is to offer higher-priced E15 to local** 15 **communities during the summer months. I believe that** 16 **it's time to grant the 1-pound waiver to equalize the** 17 **vapor pressure regulations for E10 and E15 during the** 18 **summer months running from June 1 to September 15th.** 19 **It is time to allow my customers the right to** 20 **choose the lowest-cost ethanol-blended gasoline during** 21 **the summer months. I am confident that if we could** 22 **offer this blend year around without the current**

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1 **restrictions, many of my customers would choose E15.** 2 **It's time for the EPA to grant a waiver for E15.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you.** 5 **(Applause.)** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Settle down. News flash. We have** 7 **a white Hyundai blocking buses in the parking lot** 8 **across the street. If the owner is in this room,** 9 **please move your car before it gets flatten by said** 10 **buses.** 11 **No competition. Mr. Zaremba, welcome.** 12 **MR. TANDERUP: I was moved. Art Tanderup from** 13 **Round 33. Mr. Zaremba was also moved --** 14 **MR. GRUNDLER: You're welcome, too. Sorry for** 15 **misidentifying you. Proceed.** 16 **MR. TANDERUP: Okay. Thank you.** 17 **My name is Art Tanderup. I'm a small farmer near** 18 **Neligh, Nebraska. I raise corn, soybeans, and rye.** 19 **It is time for this country to move forward on** 20 **renewable fuels. Climate change is very real. It is** 21 **starting to have a negative effect on agriculture. We** 22 **need to end our reliance on fossil fuels. Expanding** Page 244

1 **the use of ethanol and biodiesel will help get us** 2 **there.** 3 **As citizens that are concerned about the Earth we** 4 **live on and we leave for our grandchildren, my wife and** 5 **I have taken steps to help preserve our planet.** 6 **Several years ago, we started using no-till farming** 7 **methods to capture carbon and build soil health. We** 8 **utilize soil sensors to preserve the water as we** 9 **irrigate our crops. Solar panels provide most of our** 10 **farm's electrical needs.** 11 **An electric hybrid car significantly reduces our** 12 **reliance on fossil fuels. We use ethanol in our** 13 **pickup. Biodiesel is used when we can get it.** 14 **Times have changed. This country can no longer be** 15 **fossil fuel dependent. Renewable fuels are part of the** 16 **answer.** 17 **Twenty-five ethanol plants are located in** 18 **Nebraska. They provide an additional market for our** 19 **grain, as well as a quality feed source for our** 20 **livestock. Some also produce food products,** 21 **biodegradable plastics, and enzymes.** 22 **A University of Nebraska report released in April**

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1 **shows that Nebraska is second only to Iowa in ethanol** 2 **production. These rural businesses employ 1,300 people** 3 **this last year. Ethanol had a nearly $5 billion impact** 4 **on Nebraska's economy last year.** 5 **In the part of Nebraska where I live, it's 25** 6 **miles to the closest ethanol plant. Another is 41** 7 **miles away. These plants help increase our local corn** 8 **prices.** 9 **However, when we want to buy E85 or diesel fuel or** 10 **biodiesel, we must drive 25 to 45 miles. We would** 11 **rather buy the renewables in our community. The major** 12 **oil company stations only offer the 10 percent ethanol** 13 **blend. The independents are the ones with the blender** 14 **pumps.** 15 **The mandate needs to be raised to 15 percent.** 16 **Increased biofuels will be utilized if they're** 17 **available at the pump. Every gallon of renewable fuel** 18 **is one less gallon of a fossil fuel product. American** 19 **farmers can produce both abundant food and fuel.** 20 **This country has the opportunity to move forward** 21 **with advanced biofuels, biomass-based diesel, and** 22 **cellulosic biofuels. We need to increase the biofuel Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **standards so that companies can invest and farmers can** 2 **step up to the plate and produce the raw materials.** 3 **Thank you.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir, and thank you for** 5 **coming all the way from Nebraska.** 6 **Thank you, panel. Panel 25, welcome. You'll be** 7 **hearing from Doug Dollison, Darin Schlapia, Jerrod** 8 **Kitt, Denis W. Miller, Keith Alverson, and Erin Wilcox.** 9 **While Panel 25 is taking their seats, I'd like to** 10 **invite Panel 27 to take their seats in the staging** 11 **area.** 12 **Mr. Dollison, you're up first. Ready when you** 13 **are.** 14 **MR. DOLLISON: Good afternoon. My name is Doug** 15 **Dollison. I'm the senior industry relations manager** 16 **with DuPont Pioneer.** 17 **DuPont Pioneer is the leading supplier of high** 18 **quality seeds and services to farmers around the world.** 19 **A demonstrated partner to America's farmers, DuPont** 20 **Pioneer is committed to increasing yields and grower** 21 **value, delivering solutions that help meet needs of a** 22 **growing world.**

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1 **When Congress passed the RFS2 in 2007, it provided** 2 **stability to a new developing biofuels industry.** 3 **Farmers and corn ethanol producers responded by** 4 **building additional corn ethanol capacity to meet the** 5 **RFS biofuel volume requirement. The RFS delivered** 6 **increased rural development. The RFS has reduced CO2** 7 **emissions and improved air quality in America's cities.** 8 **And it's easy to forget during this time of** 9 **inexpensive oil that America's corn ethanol industry** 10 **accepted risk as a new industry and now serves as a** 11 **strong foundation from which new and innovative** 12 **complementary biofuel systems can grow.** 13 **Almost 90 years ago, Pioneer started with a bold** 14 **idea, hybrid seed technology. By investing in seed** 15 **each year, growers got more yield at the end of the** 16 **season. Over the last decade or two, DuPont Pioneer** 17 **has offered specialized seed products designed for** 18 **greater ethanol production per acre.** 19 **In fact, DuPont has doubled down on the benefits** 20 **of biofuels with our strong commitment to serving corn** 21 **farmers, as well as our innovations and next-generation** 22 **biofuels that complement the base corn ethanol has** Page 248

1 **built. We believe the bold idea of the RFS was to** 2 **promote long-term investments that strengthen America.** 3 **We believe the RFS is clear that the general waiver** 4 **can only be invoked when total renewable fuel** 5 **production is below statutory levels.** 6 **It is important that the forward momentum continue** 7 **and not be stalled. Therefore, the best course of** 8 **action is for the EPA to abandoned this proposed rule** 9 **and issue a new proposal based on the ethanol and** 10 **biofuel volumes that Congress provided and the amount** 11 **of fuel that can be produced.** 12 **In conclusion, with a stable and predictable RFS** 13 **in place, we look forward to expanding ethanol's** 14 **benefits and also deploying the next phase of biofuels** 15 **technologies.** 16 **I want to thank you for the opportunity to submit** 17 **our comments with the proposed RFS rule. Along with** 18 **this testimony, DuPont will provide additional analysis** 19 **and recommendations as part of the comment process.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Doug. Darin, proceed.** 21 **MR. SCHLAPIA: Good afternoon. My name is Darin** 22 **Schlapia. I'm the Creston location manager with the**

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1 **Farmers Cooperative Company of Afton, Iowa.** 2 **I'm here today to speak against the EPA lowering** 3 **the proposed renewable volumes obligation set by the** 4 **2007 Energy Independence and Securities Act.** 5 **The main point EPA makes for lowering the volume** 6 **obligations is that America is up against a so-called** 7 **blend wall for ethanol. A simple solution to this** 8 **concern is the E15 ethanol-blended gasoline.** 9 **However, due to EPA's flawed RVP policies, E15 has** 10 **run up against a wall of restrictions that do not** 11 **fairly allow it to be sold in the same manner as E10.** 12 **While E10 and E15 have similar RVPs, E10 is the only** 13 **blend that is allowed the 1-pound summer exemption.** 14 **At our ethanol blending sites, E15 accounts for** 15 **only 11 percent of our ethanol blend sales, and that** 16 **percentage stays the same all year round, even with the** 17 **summer sales restriction.** 18 **The reason, I believe, is because motorists are** 19 **confused. The average person on the street does not** 20 **want or need to understand the technical and mostly** 21 **political reasons why E15 is restricted during the** 22 **summer months while E10 can be purchased all year. The Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **consumer wants a consistent type of fuel to use in** 2 **their vehicles all year round.** 3 **Granting E15 the same 1-pound waiver as E10 in the** 4 **summer would enable E15 to become the new standard fuel** 5 **sold in the United States, reducing ethanol demand by** 6 **50 percent. The fuel distribution terminals owned by** 7 **the big oil companies would have no choice then but to** 8 **meet demand and make E15 an available choice at the** 9 **racks.** 10 **Better policies need to be enacted to make higher** 11 **ethanol blends available at the consumer level as well.** 12 **At our stations, ethanol blends of E15 and higher** 13 **account for 40 percent of our total ethanol blend** 14 **sales. About, as I mentioned, 11 percent is E15, 8** 15 **percent is E30, and 21 percent is E85. I use E30** 16 **myself, and I get about the same gas mileage as I do** 17 **with E10, and it's about 20 cents a gallon cheaper.** 18 **So the State of Iowa has made great strides in the** 19 **offering of incentive programs to build the** 20 **infrastructure to dispense these higher ethanol blends.** 21 **However, in my travels to other areas, it has been** 22 **difficult to locate ethanol blends higher than E10.**

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1 **Working with these areas to help set up incentive** 2 **programs and educate retailers and consumers alike will** 3 **be another large step to increase our renewable fuels** 4 **usage across the United States.** 5 **I am here today representing our company's 1,300** 6 **Class A voting farmer member owners. When everyone** 7 **thought that our nation's farmers would be unable to** 8 **raise enough corn to feed our ethanol plants, corn shot** 9 **up to over $7 per bushel. And as history has proven** 10 **over and over, our farmers answered the call and** 11 **produced.** 12 **We now have a surplus that has brought corn prices** 13 **down to under $3.50 per bushel, about a $1 under the** 14 **break-even price of production. It is now time that** 15 **the EPA steps up, changes its policy on E15, and** 16 **upholds the original Energy Independence and Securities** 17 **Act volume obligations to keep America on track to free** 18 **itself from foreign oil.** 19 **Thanks for your time.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. Mr.** 21 **Kitt?** 22 **MR. KITT: Hi, I'm Jerrod Kitt. I'm a vice** Page 252

1 **president with Linn & Associates.** 2 **And first of all, I want to thank the EPA for this** 3 **opportunity. I'm sure you've taken your fair share of** 4 **flack today, but I want you to know in our heart of** 5 **hearts, we do appreciate your efforts.** 6 **I believe in the power of the markets. We work** 7 **with them every day on behalf of our clients. It is** 8 **truly a democratic institution where everyone can cast** 9 **their vote via their wallets. That will be the basis,** 10 **at least initially, of my testimony.** 11 **Usually, I have to look into a crystal ball and** 12 **tell the future. Now I have the benefit of hindsight** 13 **and would like to describe the impact this proposal has** 14 **had on the markets and how to potentially smooth out** 15 **some of the ensuing wrinkles. Now I have to be a** 16 **little bit harsh.** 17 **The 2015 proposal in particular does not follow** 18 **the spirit and certainly not the letter of the RFS** 19 **legislation. The 13.4 billion gallon proposal for 2014** 20 **for the first time represents a concrete step backward** 21 **when compared to the enacted 2013 proposal of 13.8** 22 **billion gallons of corn-based fuels. This can best be**

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1 **demonstrated by the debasement of the D6 RIN market,** 2 **which fell by half in the hours following the proposal** 3 **release.** 4 **All right. I don't know if everybody can see** 5 **this, but this is the D6 RIN curve. Fell off the wall,** 6 **basically.** 7 **Now before you think that lower RIN prices are a** 8 **blessing not a curse, we need to keep in mind that for** 9 **obligated parties who have made the proper investment,** 10 **there is no cost to them outside of buying the ethanol** 11 **itself, which is not well correlated to RIN price** 12 **movements. In fact, at current market values, blenders** 13 **earn at least 60 cents per gallon on each gallon of** 14 **ethanol bought. It should be noted that after the** 15 **proposal, ethanol plant margins in Nebraska fell to** 16 **roughly break-even, some even a little bit worse.** 17 **There is also an unintended consequence of this** 18 **debasement of the D6 RINs, the narrowing of the D5, D6** 19 **RIN spread. As it speaks, we potentially are sending** 20 **imports of Brazilian ethanol, molecule for molecule the** 21 **exact same thing, heading to the U.S. We could get** 22 **into a situation where you have the exact same thing Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **crossing each other in the Atlantic.** 2 **Now, I did not just come here to kvetch. I** 3 **actually do have a few solutions. First and foremost,** 4 **I believe that we should alter the 2015 corn --** 5 **conventional corn ethanol proposal to 13.9 billion** 6 **gallons versus the proposed 13.4. Setting a target of** 7 **13.9 is an actual improvement over the initial -- over** 8 **the last 2013 mandated volume. So you're following the** 9 **spirit of the law.** 10 **Backtracking should not be an option, particularly** 11 **with the greatest year in 2014. This also keeps RIN** 12 **carryouts tight. Blenders are currently using 902,000** 13 **barrels a day of ethanol. This breaks down to just** 14 **over 13.8 billion gallons per year. No such target can** 15 **easily be accomplished without much extra effort.** 16 **And we also believe we should increase corn** 17 **ethanol and biodiesel targets 100 million gallons each** 18 **year to a maximum 15 for corn ethanol and 2.0 for** 19 **biodiesel. This allows people to make long-term** 20 **projections.** 21 **In conclusion, the blend wall is a practical** 22 **constraint only that can be broken down through the**

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1 **correct market incentives, and those are governed by** 2 **the RIN market.** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. And thank you for** 4 **providing these audio visuals. I thought we were going** 5 **to try to get them up there, but that was pretty heroic** 6 **there in how you tried to show us.** 7 **MR. KITT: Thanks.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: We have the data. Thank you very** 9 **much.** 10 **MR. KITT: You're welcome.** 11 **MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Miller?** 12 **MR. MILLER: My name is Denis Miller, partner with** 13 **Mapes & Miller, CPAs, in Phillipsburg, Kansas, founding** 14 **board member and board secretary of the Prairie Horizon** 15 **Agri-Energy, LLC, in Phillipsburg.** 16 **Thank you for coming to Kansas City to hear our** 17 **concerns about the tentative ruling on the RFS.** 18 **I currently have owned three -- excuse me. I** 19 **currently own four traditional non-E85 vehicles the** 20 **last 10 years in which I have put over 200,000 miles on** 21 **them using E30. These were 2001, '03, '09, and '14.** 22 **I've had no mechanical issues with these vehicles that** Page 256

1 **can be attributed to using E30 versus E10.** 2 **This is a stark contrast to the allegations made** 3 **by big oil that E15 would be dangerous to the engines,** 4 **when the fact I have been using E30 with no negative** 5 **repercussions to my vehicles. The performance** 6 **especially on the oldest model, the 2001, when I** 7 **started using E30, improved dramatically. No** 8 **significant change in gas mileage was noted.** 9 **Big oil also alleges that there is no consumer** 10 **demand for E85 or the mid-level mix of ethanol at their** 11 **stations. However, I believe that much of this has** 12 **been created by big oil's policies, an attempt to** 13 **discourage finding or using the mid-levels or E85. I** 14 **will give two examples.** 15 **A Shell station I am aware of had E85 for many** 16 **years and then out of nowhere switched E85 to diesel on** 17 **the requirements of Shell. The 91 octane was still left** 18 **at the pump, which sells in very small quantities, but** 19 **they required them to remove the E85 and replace it** 20 **with diesel under the company policy as a franchisee.** 21 **Number two, I was on vacation in upstate New York,** 22 **and through a month on, I noted stations had E85 pumps.**

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1 **I drove into one of the stations that had no E85 at** 2 **the pumps where everyone else was filling up. After** 3 **driving around twice, I found a small pump, mostly** 4 **hidden by semi-trucks parked in front of it at the very** 5 **edge of the property.** 6 **I went to fill up, and it would not accept my** 7 **credit card, but had a note to see the attendant. I** 8 **had to walk 50 yards to find out why I could not accept** 9 **my credit card and was told that I was required to** 10 **prepay for the amount of fuel I thought I might want to** 11 **buy.** 12 **These are two examples big oil utilizes to** 13 **discourage the demand for E85 and mid-levels by making** 14 **it very difficult for citizens to find it to have a** 15 **choice of which fuel they would like to use.** 16 **I recommend a requirement that franchisees of big** 17 **oil be allowed to pick one third to one half of the** 18 **available pump options on the pumps, and the remaining** 19 **could be dictated by big oil. This will allow the** 20 **local retailer to sell the market he thinks that would** 21 **be best for his business and not allow big oil to force** 22 **him to use products clearly designed to limit the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **options that citizens may want to use.** 2 **I conclude I would really expect the EPA to follow** 3 **the law as written to make the big oil companies** 4 **utilize the ethanol as mandated.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Miller. Mr.** 6 **Alverson, you're up.** 7 **MR. ALVERSON: Thank you.** 8 **My name is Keith Alverson. I'm a family farmer** 9 **from Chester, South Dakota. I'm president of the South** 10 **Dakota Corn Growers Association, and on behalf of our** 11 **1,500 members, I thank you for the opportunity to** 12 **address the proposed changes to the RFS volumes.** 13 **I've experienced the revitalization that the RFS** 14 **and ethanol have created in small towns like mine. My** 15 **local ethanol plant opened a year before I graduated** 16 **college and helped provide me the opportunity to return** 17 **home to my family farm to be the sixth generation on** 18 **that farm.** 19 **The plant has created many value-added** 20 **opportunities and jobs in the area. According to a** 21 **2012 study by South Dakota State University, the** 22 **ethanol industry in South Dakota has an annual economic**

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1 **impact of $3.8 billion and directly employs 1,900** 2 **people who earn an average wage of $60,000.** 3 **My wife and I have witnessed waves of sons and** 4 **daughters returning to family farms and rural** 5 **businesses, which was not taking place prior to the** 6 **RFS. I only hope this progress can continue to allow** 7 **my children to proudly be the seventh generation.** 8 **South Dakota produces over 1 billion gallons of** 9 **corn ethanol, reducing America's dependence upon** 10 **foreign oil. In just 8 short years, ethanol has** 11 **established itself as a vital tool that increases** 12 **gasoline's octane level and serves as an** 13 **environmentally friendly oxygenate, displacing cancer** 14 **causing benzene.** 15 **The increased use of ethanol has also drastically** 16 **reduced carbon emissions because our carbon score keeps** 17 **improving. Farmers are growing higher yields with** 18 **fewer inputs, less tillage, reducing our impact on the** 19 **environment and sequestering carbon in our soils.** 20 **I'm proud to say we've always strived to be good** 21 **stewards on our farm, using a form of no-till for over** 22 **30 years and adopting precision technologies to place** Page 260

1 **specific amounts of fertilizer and seed where and when** 2 **it's most efficient.** 3 **After the RFS was enacted in 2007, EPA and Argonne** 4 **National Labs lifecycle assessments showed corn ethanol** 5 **to be equivalent to gasoline in carbon emissions. But** 6 **since that time, using updated science, productivity** 7 **gains, and real-world data on land use change, Argonne** 8 **has updated corn ethanol's lifecycle several times,** 9 **most recently indicating that corn ethanol is 40** 10 **percent below gasoline.** 11 **At the same time, petroleum fuels and their** 12 **emissions are increasing due to energy extraction and** 13 **refining processes. Updates to EPA's modeling,** 14 **recognizing improvements in farming and at the ethanol** 15 **plants is imperative to accurately show the** 16 **environmental differences between energies. I believe** 17 **we have the ability to approach a 60 percent reduction** 18 **in emissions in some regions because of our climate,** 19 **increasing yields, tillage reduction, and fertilizer** 20 **efficiency.** 21 **Recently, Administrator McCarthy was quoted as** 22 **saying, "Climate change is the greatest challenge of**

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1 **our time and that the time for action is now." I** 2 **wholeheartedly agree with her sentiment, but then don't** 3 **understand why the EPA has hit the brakes on the most** 4 **successful program we've seen to reduce carbon** 5 **emissions in the United States.** 6 **Corn farmers and ethanol producers have worked** 7 **hard to uphold their role in the RFS and the** 8 **environment, constantly and consistently improving.** 9 **Therefore, I respectfully urge the EPA to return to the** 10 **volume obligations and methodology set forth under law** 11 **by the RFS.** 12 **Thank you.** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Alverson. Ms.** 14 **Wilcox?** 15 **MS. WILCOX: Good afternoon. I'm Erin Wilcox,** 16 **rural development coordinator for South Dakota Farmers** 17 **Union.** 18 **On behalf of over 14,000 farmers, ranchers, and** 19 **consumers, we urge the EPA to uphold the original** 20 **guidelines of the renewable fuel standard.** 21 **The RFS was designed to gradually increase our** 22 **usage and production of renewable fuels and decrease Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **our dependence on foreign oil, also decreasing harmful** 2 **emissions, allowing us cleaner air to breathe. Please** 3 **allow the industry to build an infrastructure to** 4 **surpass E10 fuel and allow the consumer to decide what** 5 **type of fuel they want to burn in their vehicle,** 6 **whether it be basic gasoline or an ethanol-blended** 7 **fuel, and allow them to also decide what type of** 8 **emissions that their vehicle is secreting and also what** 9 **type of air we breathe.** 10 **In 2006, I entered the ethanol industry as a lab** 11 **manager, and at that time, it was right at the end of** 12 **the initial ethanol boom. Plants were being built very** 13 **quickly. Everything was changing and growing rapidly.** 14 **Nine years later, it's amazing everything that's** 15 **developed and changed.** 16 **Plants run more efficiently, utilizing every** 17 **possible amount of that starch in that corn kernel, and** 18 **plants continue to improve and so does the technology.** 19 **This industry has done amazing things in the past 9,** 20 **10 years. I can't imagine what the next decade will be** 21 **like.** 22 **But I and South Dakota Farmers Union is very**

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1 **concerned that if the RFS volumes are reduced now, will** 2 **this industry continue to grow to its maximum** 3 **potential, and will this industry continue to be able** 4 **to compete globally in the renewable fuel sector and** 5 **continue to produce a high-quality product?** 6 **To produce a high-quality product, you need a** 7 **high-quality workforce. And the ethanol industry** 8 **offers lots of jobs, and a lot of the jobs are very** 9 **technical, giving options to young people to return to** 10 **rural America with technical degrees, engineering and** 11 **chemical backgrounds.** 12 **And this is extremely important to the rural** 13 **Midwest, where in this economy finding a job is** 14 **difficult. Finding a good job is an even harder task,** 15 **and it's very difficult in the rural Midwest.** 16 **In 2014, the ethanol industry produced 14.3** 17 **billion gallons of ethanol. That supported over 83,000** 18 **direct jobs and nearly 300,000 indirect jobs, giving** 19 **many options to young people in the rural Midwest.** 20 **I never wanted to live in a large city. I never** 21 **wanted to, and the ethanol industry gave me the option** 22 **to earn a good income and live in a small community and** Page 264

1 **raise my family.** 2 **And the ethanol industry in South Dakota provides** 3 **good-paying jobs, averaging $60,000 salaries and** 4 **positions, and these are very good high-paying jobs in** 5 **the State of South Dakota.** 6 **Please keep the RFS intact. Please do not mess** 7 **with it, and please continue to give options to young** 8 **people and options to return to rural America.** 9 **Thank you.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Ms. Wilcox, and thank** 11 **you to the panel.** 12 **(Applause.)** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Panel 27? I'll make another** 14 **announcement. The white Hyundai continues to survive,** 15 **miraculously, and still is blocking the bus. And this** 16 **bus may be full of future farmers of America, who are** 17 **no doubt getting pretty frustrated. So if this is your** 18 **vehicle, please move it.** 19 **Okay. Panel 27.** 20 **MS. VATTEROTT: Yes, I am here for Heather** 21 **Navarro, but my name is Melissa Vatterott.** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Okay. Thanks. This panel consists**

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1 **of Melissa Vatterott, Mike Danielski, Loren Claussen,** 2 **Marv Stech, Robert Brummels, and Seth Harder.** 3 **Ms. Vatterott, you're up.** 4 **MS. VATTEROTT: Good afternoon. Thank you for** 5 **granting me the time to be here to submit comment on** 6 **the EPA's proposed updates to the renewable fuel** 7 **standard rule.** 8 **My name is Melissa Vatterott. I am the food,** 9 **farm, and climate outreach coordinator at the Missouri** 10 **Coalition for the Environment in St. Louis. We are a** 11 **statewide environmental advocacy organization.** 12 **Since the Federal corn ethanol mandate was** 13 **codified into law nearly a decade ago, we've read the** 14 **headlines and heard the talking points regarding corn** 15 **ethanol's so-called environmental benefits, but as** 16 **fact-based science makes clear, corn ethanol's promised** 17 **environmental benefits are a myth. The 2005 and 2007** 18 **energy bills deeply distorted and heavily subsidized** 19 **the corn market, directly incentivizing unsustainable** 20 **and environmentally detrimental land disturbance.** 21 **Corn ethanol was billed as a green alternative, a** 22 **cleaner-burning fuel for our cars, promising air Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **quality benefits and the reduction of greenhouse gas** 2 **emissions that contribute to climate change. If the** 3 **development of cellulosic alternatives had materialized** 4 **as hoped, corn ethanol may have served the transitional** 5 **purpose intended by the original law. However, the** 6 **Federal corn ethanol mandate has failed to deliver on** 7 **any of its promised environmental benefits.** 8 **Mandating minimal ethanol blending in commercial** 9 **fuel production created an artificially high demand for** 10 **corn, propping up corn prices at the expense of the** 11 **environment and all of us that rely on clean air and** 12 **clean water. Higher corn prices effectively** 13 **incentivized commodity crop production. This decreases** 14 **the incentives to invest in renewable fuel sources or** 15 **grow the food that people eat.** 16 **The mandate sent a clear price signal to the** 17 **agricultural industry. Kansas and Missouri are among** 18 **the top 10 corn-producing States, and they have clearly** 19 **responded to the price signal. Growing corn is** 20 **profitable. Preserving a wetland or sustainably** 21 **growing spinach is not.** 22 **The Government-guaranteed market for corn ethanol**

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1 **may be profitable for industrialized agricultural, but** 2 **the conversion of Midwest land into heavily subsidized** 3 **cornfields also yields poor soil, poor air, and poor** 4 **water quality and has resulted in the destruction of** 5 **valuable habitat, all while increasing climate-causing** 6 **greenhouse gas emissions.** 7 **Higher crop prices decrease incentives to grow** 8 **real food on our valuable crop land or to promote and** 9 **invest in renewable fuel sources at a high cost to us** 10 **all. Between 2008 and 2011, 23 million acres of** 11 **grassland, shrubland, and wetlands were converted to** 12 **commodity crop production in large part in response to** 13 **higher demand for corn. These acres once served as** 14 **carbon sinks. Now they release stored carbon and** 15 **eliminate that function.** 16 **The University of California-Berkeley scientists** 17 **note that ethanol-related land conversion results in** 18 **higher greenhouse gas emissions than fossil fuels. As** 19 **the EPA is well aware, pesticides and fertilizer used** 20 **in industrialized corn production cause fish kills,** 21 **contribute to the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, and** 22 **pollute our drinking water supplies when it runs off** Page 268

1 **farm fields. Land conversion destroys valuable** 2 **habitat.** 3 **For example, as reported in the Kansas City Star,** 4 **corn ethanol production has contributed to the annual** 5 **destruction of 1 million acres of milkweed, the Monarch** 6 **butterfly's only food source.** 7 **EPA's recent draft update to the rule keeps this** 8 **failed policy on life support, which serves the narrow** 9 **interests of the corn ethanol lobby and the corn** 10 **ethanol lobby alone while we pay the cost. The science** 11 **is indisputable. Corn ethanol and the policy that** 12 **mandates its production is devastating to our** 13 **environment.** 14 **At this major milestone, we must finally put our** 15 **environmental and science -- our environment and** 16 **science before narrow special interests, support using** 17 **quality farm land for sustainable agriculture** 18 **production, and invest in renewable fuels that don't** 19 **harm our environment.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Ms. Vatterott. Do me a** 22 **favor and turn that Michigan State University Spartan**

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1 **thing so I don't have to look at it. Otherwise, I'm** 2 **going to --** 3 **MS. VATTEROTT: Oh, are you a Michigan fan?** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: I'm a major Michigan Wolverine, and** 5 **I want to be able to listen to the following panelist.** 6 **Thank you.** 7 **MS. VATTEROTT: Yes.** 8 **(Laughter.)** 9 **MS. VATTEROTT: Please proceed.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: I won't let that prejudice your** 11 **testimony here today.** 12 **MS. VATTEROTT: I appreciate that. Thank you.** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Okay. Next up we have Mr.** 14 **Danielski. Welcome.** 15 **MR. DANIELSKI: Hello. I'm Mike Danielski from** 16 **Valentine, Nebraska.** 17 **I would like to thank you for giving me the** 18 **opportunity to address you today regarding renewable** 19 **fuels.** 20 **I would like to give you a little background on** 21 **our family farm. It consists of my father, four** 22 **brothers, two sons, and three nephews. We also operate Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **retail gas stations across Nebraska and employ** 2 **approximately 200 employees.** 3 **I'm here to tell you -- today to tell you that RFS** 4 **plays a big role in the successful future for my family** 5 **and employees. Beyond them, RFS is an economical help** 6 **for rural America, consumers, and metropolitan areas.** 7 **Reducing the RFS will punish consumers with higher** 8 **gasoline prices. According to Fuels America, the RFS** 9 **has saved consumers an average of $1 a gallon on fuel.** 10 **Since 2007, ethanol rack prices have been 52 cents per** 11 **gallon lower than gasoline on average, making E15 and** 12 **flex fuels a more affordable and cleaner alternative.** 13 **Fuels America estimated that RFS has saved** 14 **taxpayers about $10 billion per year in reducing the** 15 **need for farm program payments.** 16 **RFS uncertainty is bad for the business and** 17 **consumers. Businesses have been started in nearly** 18 **every State to support renewable fuel production,** 19 **distribution, research, and development. The renewable** 20 **fuels sector generated $184.5 billion in annual output,** 21 **supports 852,000 jobs, and pays $46 billion in wages** 22 **and $14.5 billion in taxes.**

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1 **According to the USDA, the value of agriculture** 2 **products have increased nearly $100 billion in the U.S.** 3 **since RFS2 was enacted in 2007.** 4 **EPA's failure to properly implement RFS stalls** 5 **investments in new technology and causes economic pain.** 6 **For the first time in decades, farm land values are** 7 **falling. Lower crop prices are expected to reduce U.S.** 8 **farm income to the lowest level since 2009 and trigger** 9 **additional farm program payments. As farmers strain on** 10 **spending of equipment, seed, and technologies,** 11 **companies have to cut jobs.** 12 **If RFS is kept on track, farmers and U.S.** 13 **businesses can continue helping consumers and taxpayers** 14 **save money by meeting the renewable fuel targets set** 15 **forth in the law. RFS is good for the farmer. It's** 16 **good for the consumers, and it's good for all of** 17 **America.** 18 **Thank you for your time.** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Loren Claussen?** 20 **MR. CLAUSSEN: Good afternoon. My name is Loren** 21 **Claussen.** 22 **Thank you for the opportunity to speak today.** Page 272

1 **I'm not an expert on ethanol, but I am here to** 2 **speak about what ethanol means to me, being from a** 3 **small community. After leaving the military and** 4 **serving 8 1/2 years, I returned back home to northeast** 5 **Nebraska, started working at a railroad. That railroad** 6 **served one ethanol plant, which is Husker Ag, I work at** 7 **now.** 8 **It wasn't a big railroad. It was a shortline,** 9 **only had a few customers at the time. Ethanol is part** 10 **of the reason that that railroad is still there in** 11 **existence with multiple customers now, including grain** 12 **shuttle facilities and three ethanol plants.** 13 **Over time, I became the general manager of that** 14 **railroad. And unfortunately, with its success, it was** 15 **purchased by a larger company, and I moved to Texas.** 16 **Circumstances brought me back to Nebraska as a single** 17 **father looking for a job, and lo and behold, I ended up** 18 **in ethanol again. So without ethanol, I wouldn't be** 19 **able to raise my kids in this rural community.** 20 **Ethanol is another industry in rural communities** 21 **that gives kids another choice to come back. A lot of** 22 **times when the kids in our rural communities graduate,**

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1 **there's nothing to come back to.** 2 **So ethanol helped pave my career. Ethanol has** 3 **helped my family, and ethanol is a large part of the** 4 **future of our rural communities. And I hope you take** 5 **that into consideration when you're making your** 6 **decision.** 7 **Thank you.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for sharing that. Mr.** 9 **Stech?** 10 **MR. STECH: Yes. My name is Marvin Stech, and I'm** 11 **a grain and livestock farmer from northeast Nebraska.** 12 **And I'm sure by now there ain't much I can say that you** 13 **haven't heard today so far, but I'll give it my best** 14 **shot.** 15 **I'm here to talk about the RFS and the effects it** 16 **has on me and the rural community I live in. In 2005,** 17 **Congress adopted the RFS and expanded it in 2007.** 18 **Since then, many ethanol plants have been built to meet** 19 **this ambitious goal.** 20 **As farmers, we were asked by Congress to step up** 21 **to the plate and produce the corn needed for this fast** 22 **expanding industry. We met the goal and exceeded it. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Because of ethanol, the farming community has been** 2 **profitable in recent years, and with these profits, we** 3 **have invested in new technologies and machinery that** 4 **saves energy and protects our natural resources. The** 5 **livestock industry has also profited from ethanol's** 6 **byproduct, distillers grain, by improved feed** 7 **efficiencies and rates of gain, lowering the cost of** 8 **production of all meats.** 9 **The ethanol story has been a win-win situation,** 10 **lowering transportation costs, improving air quality,** 11 **while lowering the cost of food. At our farm, most** 12 **these new profits were spent on machinery with Tier 4** 13 **engines, developing no-till systems and technologies** 14 **like moisture-sensing devices that help us save water** 15 **and increase yields. All of these new efficiencies** 16 **have contributed to higher yields and much larger** 17 **crops.** 18 **Rural communities across the corn belt have been** 19 **flourishing with new businesses and new jobs, bringing** 20 **with it prosperity to all who live there. But times** 21 **are changing due to overproduction of crops causing low** 22 **prices.**

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1 **Many farmers are losing money growing crops this** 2 **year, adding financial stress to local businesses.** 3 **Equipment sales are down sharply, which is one of the** 4 **first indicators of negative cash flows.** 5 **In times of overproduction, we need to find and** 6 **develop new markets and protect the markets promised us** 7 **by Congress. As you can clearly see, all of rural** 8 **America is geared up to produce the ethanol requested** 9 **by the statute set forth by Congress. Any decrease in** 10 **the RFS would cause great financial harm to the ethanol** 11 **industry and the whole farming community.** 12 **So today I stand before you, asking you to** 13 **reconsider your proposed adjustment of the RFS. Please** 14 **raise the RFS, as it's good for all Americans.** 15 **Thank you for your time.** 16 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Brummels?** 17 **MR. BRUMMELS: Good afternoon. My name is Robert** 18 **Brummels. I'm a 64-year-old farmer from Coleridge,** 19 **Nebraska, and co-owner in three farmer-owned ethanol** 20 **plants. I am chairman of the board at the ethanol** 21 **plant in Plainview.** 22 **Many people, including myself, are concerned about** Page 276

1 **their legacy. I want mine to be that I'm a plain** 2 **spoke, no BS kind of guy whose word and handshake are** 3 **as good as any carefully crafted contract the legal** 4 **system can conceive.** 5 **The ethanol industry has an incredible legacy.** 6 **Cleaner air, many good-paying jobs, lower-priced fuel,** 7 **and great prosperity to rural America are but only a** 8 **few.** 9 **As a farmer, I know the price of corn is currently** 10 **at or below the break-even point. Reducing the RFS** 11 **and, in turn, reducing the demand for corn, thus** 12 **reducing the price, at this time would be a monumental** 13 **mistake.** 14 **I repeat, rural America has benefited greatly from** 15 **the prosperity ethanol production has brought. Reduced** 16 **demand from foreign oil, jobs right here in the** 17 **heartland of America, cleaner air, and lower-priced** 18 **fuel, along with a profit for our corn farmers, which,** 19 **in turn, increases prosperity in rural towns and** 20 **villages.** 21 **The capital needed to build grain-based ethanol** 22 **plants was accomplished by farmers putting their money**

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1 **at risk with the vision of creating increased demand** 2 **for their corn and, in turn, increased prices. The** 3 **only chance the cellulosic ethanol industry has to** 4 **obtain the capital needed -- to develop is to let the** 5 **grain-based ethanol plants produce at the level they** 6 **have been or even higher.** 7 **Thank you.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Harder?** 9 **MR. HARDER: Thank you, Mr. Grundler.** 10 **Good afternoon, and thank you for letting me speak** 11 **in favor of the renewable fuel standard. My name is** 12 **Seth Harder. I'm the general manager for an ethanol** 13 **plant in an agricultural community in northeast** 14 **Nebraska, which is where I grew up.** 15 **Being the son of a mechanic and a nurse, I do not** 16 **have any formal ties to agricultural production.** 17 **However, I am charged with adding value to agricultural** 18 **production.** 19 **I provided a handout that illustrates our** 20 **country's ability to continuously improve efficiencies** 21 **in agricultural production. The renewable fuel** 22 **standard is critical to improving efficiencies in the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **agriculture supply chain.** 2 **Corn ethanol production efficiently supplies the** 3 **world with 40 million tons of high-protein distillers** 4 **grains annually. We are adding some 80 million people** 5 **to this globe every year. The renewable fuel standard** 6 **is and will continue to be a part of the solution to** 7 **expanding agriculture and feeding the world.** 8 **Do I think that we can operate without oil?** 9 **Certainly not. Petroleum products have been vital to** 10 **our world's industrialization and prosperity. However,** 11 **we do seem to have a need for a low-carbon based fuel** 12 **to help supplement today's gasoline.** 13 **It's simple math backed up by real-world science** 14 **that long carbon chains just don't burn cleanly and** 15 **completely enough on their own. The addition of low** 16 **carbon hydroxyl chains helps to lower emissions.** 17 **That's ethanol.** 18 **If this isn't true, then why do we still have** 19 **catalytic converters? And why are cases of health and** 20 **developmental issues like lung cancer, asthma, and** 21 **autism exponentially increasing in the population who** 22 **live in close proximities to urban freeways?**

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1 **Also if it is truly ethanol industry's job to now** 2 **somehow overcome the artificial blend wall, then it's** 3 **about time that we request from Congress a 1-pound Reid** 4 **vapor pressure waiver for E15. I understand EPA can't** 5 **grant that, but you could help request it.** 6 **The only way for ethanol to truly compete in a** 7 **free enterprise market is to be able to offer it to the** 8 **consumer as a choice. Until then, the renewable fuel** 9 **standard is vital to ensuring that alternatives** 10 **continue to be adopted by consumers.** 11 **Being the son of a mechanic, I am reminded of the** 12 **so-called lead phaseout debacle of the 1970s and how** 13 **that was such a debatable subject that the American** 14 **people had to deal with. However, if we fast forward** 15 **to present day, I doubt very many people in the general** 16 **population would remember the facts.** 17 **Change isn't easy, but the facts should be** 18 **considered when making this decision.** 19 **Thank you.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Thank you very much.** 21 **Thank you, panel.** 22 **Mr. Claussen, we honor your service, sir. Thank** Page 280

1 **you.** 2 **MR. CLAUSSEN: Appreciate it.** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Next panel, the Garnett panel,** 4 **please join us.** 5 **(Pause.)** 6 **MR. GRUNDLER: Okay, we have a new batting order.** 7 **Mr. Hughes, you lead off.** 8 **MR. HUGHES: Thank you.** 9 **My name is Charlie Hughes, and I have been a** 10 **member of the board of directors of the East Kansas** 11 **Agri-Energy since August of 2013. I originally** 12 **invested in the plant in January of 2004.** 13 **I am not a farmer. I spent 21 years as an** 14 **agriculture community banker and another 21 years in** 15 **the insurance business. So many of my customers are** 16 **and have been farmers and residents of rural Kansas** 17 **communities.** 18 **These communities are why I chose to invest in the** 19 **East Kansas plant. I wanted to do my part to improve** 20 **the prospects and prosperity of these rural towns that** 21 **have so much offer.** 22 **I cannot begin to tell you the impact that ethanol**

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1 **production has had on the communities and citizens in** 2 **our part of the world. Yes, the demand for agriculture** 3 **products has stabilized farming and added value to our** 4 **agricultural production. Others have talked about that** 5 **today.** 6 **But I've witnessed even broader, more powerful** 7 **impact that reaches well beyond the cornfields of** 8 **Kansas. The economic vitality created by the RFS has** 9 **created good-paying jobs, tax revenue at the local,** 10 **State, and national levels, and reinvestment in small** 11 **towns that was unthinkable just a few short years ago.** 12 **This resurgence in American agriculture is** 13 **bringing young people back to the American farms,** 14 **ranches, and rural hometowns to serve as the next** 15 **generation of food producers, agribusiness leaders,** 16 **bankers, agronomists, teachers, and community leaders.** 17 **Where once there has been concern and despair, we now** 18 **see hope and promise.** 19 **Rural America has always been the solid, reliable** 20 **core of this nation. The RFS has created the** 21 **opportunity for rural America to ramp up its** 22 **contribution to our nation's success. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **We are now producing more than an abundant source** 2 **of high-quality, affordable food for our nation and the** 3 **world. Now we're a player in America's energy market,** 4 **and we're providing clean-burning, environmentally** 5 **friendly, affordable choices at the pump for American** 6 **consumers.** 7 **There is no question that the RFS has helped** 8 **improve America's energy security and broaden our** 9 **transportation fuel portfolio. But in fact, the RFS** 10 **has been one of the most powerful economic development** 11 **programs in recent history.** 12 **It has given rural America the impetus to become** 13 **an even more valuable partner in our nation's success.** 14 **The RFS has been a job creator, a tax revenue** 15 **generator, and has added value to our strength in** 16 **agricultural production. While helping to free America** 17 **from its reliance on oil, the RFS has also helped free** 18 **rural America from its reliance on Federal Government** 19 **for support.** 20 **On behalf of the rural Kansas communities in our** 21 **area and on behalf of all the rural communities across** 22 **the U.S. that have prepared -- that have prospered**

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1 **thanks to the renewable fuel production, I urge you to** 2 **leave RFS alone because we're not making fuel here in** 3 **America's heartland, we're actually forging our future.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Burkdoll?** 6 **MR. BURKDOLL: Thank you.** 7 **I'm Scott Burkdoll. I'm the vice chairman for** 8 **East Kansas Agri-Energy, and I have intimate knowledge** 9 **of two industries that have been the source of bad** 10 **press for ethanol. My family and I raise cattle, and** 11 **we produce crude oil.** 12 **Like other cattle producers, we were initially** 13 **concerned that the ethanol plant would raise corn** 14 **prices. In fact, the impact on price has been mostly** 15 **negligible. But the impact on our cattle operation has** 16 **been dramatically positive. We have learned there is** 17 **no better single feed ingredient on the market than the** 18 **distillers grains produced at EKAE.** 19 **We used to raise significant acres of corn for** 20 **feed and forage and purchased five times what we grew** 21 **from local farmers. Today, we focus on raising medium** 22 **to low-quality forage and enhancing those rations with** Page 284

1 **distillers grain from our ethanol plant. As a result,** 2 **we've reduced our raw corn usage by 90 percent and** 3 **reduced our nitrogen fertilizer use by 40 percent.** 4 **Our energy costs for feed processing have dropped** 5 **80 percent since distillers grains require no further** 6 **processing. We've seen better feed efficiency,** 7 **improved animal performance, and enhanced animal** 8 **health. As a result, the carbon footprint of our** 9 **cattle operation has been reduced substantially.** 10 **The bottom line. Environmentally friendly ethanol** 11 **has also helped make our cattle operation more** 12 **sustainable and environmentally friendly. Now on to my** 13 **oil industry background.** 14 **I was elected president of the Eastern Kansas Oil** 15 **and Gas Association in 2011. We represent small oil** 16 **companies in eastern Kansas, and we should not be** 17 **confused with the big oil that has attacked the ethanol** 18 **industry in information campaigns to confuse** 19 **policymakers and the public.** 20 **The proposed changes in the RFS would only benefit** 21 **big oil and OPEC and would stymie recent advancements** 22 **by the American Independent Oil Producers to bring**

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1 **greater choice to the American consumers with higher** 2 **blends of ethanol.** 3 **Some of my oil industry colleagues are unit** 4 **holders in the EKAE plant. They understand that** 5 **ethanol is not a threat to their livelihood, and they** 6 **also understand that our nation's long-term energy --** 7 **goal of energy independence requires a diverse** 8 **portfolio of fuel sources and choices. The RFS is one** 9 **of the rare instances in recent memory in which** 10 **Congress worked with bipartisanship to create smart** 11 **policy with a long-term vision, a policy that has been** 12 **a resounding success by any measure.** 13 **Everyone wins. The farmer who has a new market** 14 **for grain, the U.S. Treasury that pays less for farm** 15 **subsidies, the big oil refinery that has an easy-to** 16 **blend, environmentally safe component for higher octane** 17 **and greater profit potential, livestock producer who** 18 **gets a high-protein, high-energy feed, and consumers** 19 **who save money and breathe easier with domestic** 20 **renewable clean air fuel choice.** 21 **The effects of the proposed RFS change are not** 22 **just about fuel. They're about virtually every sector Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **of the American economy. They're about this nation's** 2 **very future.** 3 **I urge you not to buy into big oil's selfish,** 4 **short-term, profit-driven agenda. I urge you to leave** 5 **the RFS alone and continue to let America prosper.** 6 **Thank you.** 7 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir.** 8 **Another announcement. If there are panel members** 9 **in the room from 33, 35, and 37, you're going to be** 10 **able to present testimony now in the other room that we** 11 **have. If you could meet my colleague, Jonelle, she's** 12 **waiving furiously at the end, and she will escort you** 13 **to the other room, where you'll be able to provide** 14 **testimony sooner.** 15 **MALE SPEAKER: You took all our fans away, Chris.** 16 **(Laughter.)** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: They'll have to read the** 18 **transcript. Okay, let's see. Next we have Mr. Mobley.** 19 **MR. MOBLEY: Good afternoon. My name is Kevin** 20 **Mobley, and I'm general manager of H&R Block's ex-pat** 21 **tax services business.** 22 **I'm also a board member and shareholder of East**

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1 **Kansas Agri-Energy, an ethanol company that has proudly** 2 **produced 370 million gallons of ethanol from 135** 3 **million bushel of corn, purchased locally, that** 4 **generated over $900 million in revenue since production** 5 **started just 10 years ago.** 6 **Thirty-eight new full-time jobs were created in** 7 **Garnett, with an additional 12 to 15 jobs expected to** 8 **be added later this year. Over 500 livestock producers** 9 **in our area purchase distillers grains, a co-product** 10 **which is used to feed -- as livestock feed to lower** 11 **their cost of production.** 12 **Development of a healthy and growing ethanol** 13 **industry has had a profoundly positive impact on the** 14 **people and the economy in the Garnett, Kansas, area.** 15 **I'm against the EPA proposal to change the renewable** 16 **fuel standards by lowering the ethanol volume** 17 **requirement for three primary reasons.** 18 **Number one, the current RFS is working and meeting** 19 **the intended objectives. It was passed by Congress in** 20 **2005 in an effort to primarily decrease our dependency** 21 **on foreign oil and to produce a fuel that is safer to** 22 **the environment.** Page 288

1 **Over 14 billion gallons of ethanol are being** 2 **produced each year, and it has allowed the U.S. to** 3 **become less dependent on foreign oil. In addition,** 4 **ethanol has contributed to lower prices at the pump as** 5 **the big oil companies, despite what they may say, have** 6 **enjoyed the ability to blend ethanol to attain the** 7 **required octane rating at a lower cost.** 8 **The production of U.S. ethanol over the RFS** 9 **requirement has allowed us to also meet a growing** 10 **global need, but in a more volatile export market. The** 11 **belief by the agency that there is inadequate domestic** 12 **supply is simply inaccurate.** 13 **Number two, the EPA proposal violates the law.** 14 **Changing the RFS would be inconsistent with the statute** 15 **and contradictory to Congress' intent of this law.** 16 **Moreover, the Clean Air Act does not permit the agency** 17 **to take into account factors that affect consumption or** 18 **perceived infrastructure and capacity concerns in** 19 **determining whether to waive or change the RFS. So the** 20 **EPA's hypothesis that the blend wall of 10 percent has** 21 **been reached is not only inaccurate, but by law cannot** 22 **be considered or used as a reason to propose changes to**

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1 **the RFS.** 2 **And number three, ethanol is good for America, and** 3 **changing the RFS ethanol standard is not. I've already** 4 **shared with you the significant and positive impact the** 5 **ethanol industry has had on our local area. It's** 6 **created jobs, reversed the economic trend of yet** 7 **another suffering small town in rural America, and has** 8 **generated income for local farm families through higher** 9 **demand for their corn and nearly $50 million in** 10 **dividend for our shareholders. I'm sure this is a** 11 **similar story to the 200-plus communities across** 12 **America which are home to an ethanol plant.** 13 **Due to favorable market timing, a high-performing** 14 **plant and workforce, and a healthy ethanol market, our** 15 **company has been financially successful. And as a** 16 **result, we are prepared to increase our capital** 17 **investment in producing renewable fuel for America only** 18 **if we believe market conditions will be favorable. The** 19 **primary reason we would stop investment or divest is a** 20 **lack of a long-term, stable energy policy that ensures** 21 **a healthy business environment for ethanol producers.** 22 **In closing, I'm against the proposal for the EPA Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **to lower the RFS ethanol requirement for the reasons** 2 **outlined. The EPA has a choice to make. It could** 3 **either side with big oil companies and protect their** 4 **monopoly over consumers or stand up for American jobs,** 5 **farmers, and clean energy innovation by keeping the RFS** 6 **on track and supporting ways to increase domestic** 7 **demand rather than limiting demand and its valuable** 8 **role of blending in gasoline.** 9 **Thank you for this opportunity to express my view** 10 **about the proposal.** 11 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Eckelman?** 12 **MR. ECKELMAN: My name is Joel Eckelman, and I am** 13 **merchandising manager at East Kansas Agri-Energy, an** 14 **ethanol plant located in Garnett, Kansas.** 15 **I am here today to comment on the recent EPA** 16 **proposed rule on the RFS, and I hope you consider my** 17 **comments when making the final decision. I have spent** 18 **30-plus years in agribusiness, witnessing firsthand the** 19 **positive impacts that the RFS has had for agricultural** 20 **producers, our rural economy, and for enhancing our** 21 **nation's energy security.** 22 **EPA's proposal clearly shows that the majority of**

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1 **the outreach and dialogue they had in developing this** 2 **rule did not include the agricultural community or** 3 **biofuel producers, as the role of conventional corn** 4 **based ethanol will be significantly reduced. Reducing** 5 **the RFS will have negative impacts for, yes, farmers** 6 **and our rural economics.** 7 **With less corn-based ethanol required under the** 8 **new proposal, demand for corn will be reduced, and** 9 **farmers can and should expect to receive lower prices** 10 **for their production. Lower corn prices from current** 11 **levels will likely trigger subsidy payments, a cost to** 12 **taxpayers that has been largely absent since the RFS** 13 **was enacted in 2005.** 14 **Farmers will be first to tell you that subsidy** 15 **farming is farming below the cost of production and not** 16 **a sustainable business model. They want to sell their** 17 **production in a free market at a profit, and an ethanol** 18 **industry operating at full production affords them an** 19 **opportunity to do just that without reliance on** 20 **Government handouts.** 21 **Thanks to the U.S. farmers and the ethanol** 22 **industry, corn production in the U.S. today supports a** Page 292

1 **full RFS of 15 billion gallons of ethanol without** 2 **compromising corn usage for feed, food, or exports.** 3 **Since enactment of the RFS, corn use for ethanol** 4 **production has more than tripled from just under 1.7** 5 **billion bushels used in 2005 to over 5.1 billion** 6 **bushels projected for this year, and we'll still have** 7 **1.8 billion bushels of corn left over.** 8 **Trend-line corn yields have steadily increased as** 9 **farmers have incorporated new seed, chemical, and** 10 **production technologies into their operations, and** 11 **ethanol plants have responded by increasing their** 12 **production efficiencies as well. In fact, earlier this** 13 **month, USDA actually raised projected corn carryout** 14 **supplies by 25 million bushels directly as a result** 15 **from the improved efficiencies by ethanol producers.** 16 **So U.S. agriculture can produce the corn, and the** 17 **U.S. ethanol industry can produce clean, renewable fuel** 18 **to support increased demand in the future. Ethanol** 19 **supports jobs and opportunities for over 400,000** 20 **Americans.** 21 **When the industry is successful and society** 22 **benefits, why reduce the RFS and go backwards?**

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1 **Changing the RFS from a long-term mandate to a program** 2 **subject to revision by unpredictable annual rules** 3 **neither makes sense nor supports growth, investment,** 4 **and continued diversification in the renewable fuels** 5 **industry.** 6 **Our Garnett facility will celebrate its 10th** 7 **anniversary later this year. In addition to having** 8 **purchased 135 million bushels of corn, producing 370** 9 **million gallons of ethanol, 2.4 million tons of** 10 **distillers grains, and 33 million pounds of feed-grade** 11 **corn oil since our inception, we will soon begin** 12 **production of clean, renewable diesel fuel from corn** 13 **oil, emphasizing that today's ethanol plants are** 14 **innovative processing and manufacturing facilities,** 15 **creating the types of jobs that America wants and** 16 **needs.** 17 **The ethanol industry is a success story that needs** 18 **to continue with a full, not reduced, role in our** 19 **nation's energy future.** 20 **Thank you.** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Tom?** 22 **MR. LEITNAKER: My name is Tom Leitnaker. I'm the Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **chief financial officer at East Kansas Agri-Energy in** 2 **Garnett, Kansas.** 3 **My first experience with ethanol was in the early** 4 **1980s. As a young professional raising a family, we** 5 **were always looking for ways to save a dollar. I** 6 **remember the first time I saw ethanol at the pump,** 7 **complete with the skull and crossbones warning, but it** 8 **was cheaper and we used it. And I continued to use it** 9 **because the cars ran fine, and the price was right.** 10 **I didn't give ethanol another thought until 2005** 11 **when I was looking for a job. I attended a job fair** 12 **for a new production facility. I didn't know what a** 13 **big deal this was for the community of Garnett, but I** 14 **can say that the excitement of the management excited** 15 **me as well, and I was eager for the opportunity to work** 16 **in the biofuels industry. Clean, renewable,** 17 **sustainable, and very exciting.** 18 **East Kansas was a coffee shop idea developed by a** 19 **group of local farmers who wanted to have another** 20 **outlet for their corn. A value-added ethanol** 21 **production facility seemed to be the right fit, and a** 22 **perfect fit it was.**

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1 **We're a really big deal in Garnett, Kansas. In** 2 **our 10 years of operation, we have purchased over 134** 3 **million bushels of corn at a cost of over $600 million.** 4 **The amount that we paid for that corn, whether to the** 5 **farmer or to the elevator, has paid for land, seed,** 6 **fertilizers, labor, equipment, food for families,** 7 **housing, clothing, doctor bills, preschool, cars and** 8 **trucks, tuition, cell phones, income taxes, and Girl** 9 **Scout cookies. The plant has truly had a wide-ranging,** 10 **positive impact in our area, just as ethanol plants** 11 **across the nation have impacted their hometowns.** 12 **Our rural economy is flourishing with the help of** 13 **the ethanol plant. We spend another $12 million a year** 14 **on other goods and services, which eventually pays for** 15 **wages, food, clothing, tuition, cell phone, and of** 16 **course, Girl Scout cookies. Ethanol production puts** 17 **dollars back into the local economy and sustains rural** 18 **America.** 19 **Our fossil fuel dependency is long overdue for** 20 **another look. We use it to heat and power our homes,** 21 **schools, churches, and other workplaces, as well as to** 22 **provide fuel for all modes of transportation. Some** Page 296

1 **would say that it, too, is renewable. I'll give them** 2 **that, but it takes thousands of years.** 3 **I have children and grandchildren for whom I want** 4 **to do everything I can to ensure that they have the** 5 **resources available to make their lives more** 6 **comfortable and sustainable. Ethanol can do that. Not** 7 **by itself, but it can be part of the equation.** 8 **In 2012, the industry was directly responsible for** 9 **87,000 jobs and indirectly supported 295,000 more.** 10 **Today, East Kansas employs 38 full-time employees, a** 11 **handful of students on summer staff. Our annual** 12 **payroll of over $2 million turns multiple times in the** 13 **communities in which we work and live, paying for food,** 14 **shelter, clothing, education, daycare, and Girl Scout** 15 **cookies.** 16 **I urge you, don't mess with the RFS.** 17 **Thank you.** 18 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, sir. Mr.** 19 **Oestmann?** 20 **MR. OESTMANN: First of all, before I get started,** 21 **I'd like to again thank EPA, Chris specifically, for** 22 **making a trip to our plant yesterday. We were very**

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1 **honored to have you as a guest at our plant and hope** 2 **that the discussion we have will have an effect on the** 3 **ultimate decision that you do make.** 4 **So thank you again.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for hosting me.** 6 **MR. OESTMANN: Okay. My name is Jeff Oestmann.** 7 **I'm the president and CEO of East Kansas Agri-Energy in** 8 **Garnett, Kansas.** 9 **I'd like to thank my colleagues here for their** 10 **compelling testimony and illustrating really the** 11 **substantial impact that the proposed reductions in** 12 **volume requirements will have on our businesses, our** 13 **communities, and our nation -- and of course, Girl** 14 **Scout cookies.** 15 **I spent 11 years in the Marine Corps and was** 16 **stationed around the globe. I served in the elite** 17 **Marine Security Guard Force protecting U.S. embassies,** 18 **and I have seen firsthand the political, financial, and** 19 **human costs of our nation's reliance on imported oil.** 20 **As CEO and president of an ethanol plant, I've** 21 **seen the powerful positive impact that renewable fuels** 22 **have on our community, our farmers, our environment, Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **and our nation. I have seen America keep more of its** 2 **energy dollars at home instead of sending them to** 3 **countries really that simply don't like us very much.** 4 **Excuse me. After spending more than a decade** 5 **serving in the military around the world, I can tell** 6 **you that I'd much rather do business in the Midwest** 7 **than in the Middle East.** 8 **Our plant is currently in the middle of building** 9 **between a $15 million and $16 million renewable diesel** 10 **production facility. Renewable diesel is the true** 11 **drop-in biofuel that many talk about, and it represents** 12 **the next generation of advanced biofuels prescribed in** 13 **the RFS.** 14 **I can assure you that the investment and the** 15 **technology would not have been possible without the** 16 **RFS. Many people sing the praises of advanced** 17 **biofuels, but they forget that it was built on the** 18 **foundation of base ethanol production. The RFS has** 19 **helped us build that foundation and will help us build** 20 **what is to come in terms of advanced biofuels.** 21 **Our long-range strategic plans include other new** 22 **projects and technologies over really the next 3 to 5**

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1 **years. But today, those projects are on hold, thanks** 2 **to the uncertainty that the EPA has created around the** 3 **RFS. If corn-based ethanol is reduced or not allowed** 4 **to grow beyond 10 percent, this will strand billions of** 5 **dollars of investment nationwide that are poised to** 6 **help America continue to evolve the biofuels industry.** 7 **By adopting the RFS, Congress has given America** 8 **greater control over its future, greater control over** 9 **where our energy comes from, greater control over the** 10 **choices consumers have at the pump, greater control of** 11 **our environment, and just as importantly, the RFS has** 12 **given the petroleum industry less control over** 13 **America's pocketbooks, energy independence, and our** 14 **environment.** 15 **When it comes to domestic renewable fuels, we** 16 **don't need less. We need more, and that's exactly what** 17 **the RFS passed by Congress has outlined.** 18 **You've heard from our team how the RFS has been a** 19 **winner for agriculture, for livestock production, for** 20 **the communities, for young people, for our environment,** 21 **for our economy, and for our nation. When you add it** 22 **all up, it really makes you wonder why we're even here** Page 300

1 **today.** 2 **I urge you to leave the RFS alone and let it do** 3 **what it's been doing and continue to do, strengthening** 4 **our national energy supply, economy, environment, and** 5 **our very future.** 6 **Thank you very much for your time and, again,** 7 **thank you for yesterday.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you all for your testimony.** 9 **Mr. Oestmann, thank you for your service to the** 10 **country. We honor that.** 11 **And now I'd like to invite the next panel up.** 12 **Good luck.** 13 **At this time, I'd also like to let the panel** 14 **members for Panel Number 39 know that you are on deck.** 15 **So if any of you are in the room, you may go to our** 16 **on-deck circle. You will be following this panel.** 17 **Panel 31, welcome. Mr. Lapp, Allen Rider, Taylor** 18 **Nelson, Dave Bierman, Gail Allison, and Cheryl Worth.** 19 **Thank you for being here.** 20 **Mr. Lapp, please begin when you're ready.** 21 **MR. LAPP: Yes. All right.** 22 **Well, thank you for the opportunity to come here**

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1 **today. Thank you for being here. I'm hoping this is** 2 **the last time we have a hearing on the 2014 proposal.** 3 **So that would be really good for everybody.** 4 **MR. GRUNDLER: I completely understand.** 5 **MR. LAPP: My name is Bill Lapp, and I'm the** 6 **president of Advanced Economic Solutions, and I'm a** 7 **consulting -- work for a consulting firm, I own it,** 8 **that works primarily with food companies to help them** 9 **manage food costs. I am one of the few, if not the** 10 **only person representing the food industry here today.** 11 **So maybe a little bit different perspective.** 12 **The renewable fuel standard has been a major** 13 **challenge for each of the food companies we work with** 14 **since its inception. The EPA proposal to reduce the** 15 **RVOs below statutory levels during 2014 and 2015 is** 16 **warranted and appropriate. However, the proposed level** 17 **of RVOs during 2016 would create sizable market** 18 **challenges and should be reduced.** 19 **AES generally agrees with the proposed RVOs for** 20 **'14 and '15. The EPA should be applauded for their** 21 **astute response to the 2014 and 2015 market limitations** 22 **that they face. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **However, AES believes that the proposed mandate** 2 **for 2016 are beyond levels that can be met without** 3 **meaningful market disruptions. The proposed carve-out** 4 **for conventional biofuels for 2016 would be 14 billion** 5 **gallons. This would exceed the 10 percent blend wall** 6 **by 500 million gallons more than it's ever exceeded the** 7 **blend wall in the past.** 8 **The ability of the market to meet conventional** 9 **biofuel requirements during 2016 is unclear. We have** 10 **an inventory of D6 RINs obviously that would help meet** 11 **the challenge. However, facing an RVO for conventional** 12 **biofuels that exceeds the 10 percent blend wall may** 13 **cause market disruptions in RIN prices and gasoline** 14 **prices that the market is ill-equipped to handle. In** 15 **other words, I guess I would say you're moving** 16 **perilously close to the third rail in terms of moving** 17 **above the blend wall with the conventional.** 18 **In terms of the advanced, the proposed advanced** 19 **biofuel RVO during 2016 has significant market** 20 **consequences, in my opinion, for biodiesel feedstock** 21 **requirements, specifically soybean oil. AES recommends** 22 **the 2016 advanced RVO be reduced to the proposed level**

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1 **for 2015, 2.9 billion gallons.** 2 **Beyond cellulosic, a total of 3.2 billion gallons** 3 **of biofuels would be required during 2016. Given the** 4 **challenge of the blend wall, AES believes that most of** 5 **this, if not all of this, would be met with increased** 6 **biodiesel utilization.** 7 **Even allowing for an increase in Argentine imports** 8 **during 2015 and beyond -- and you should be applauded** 9 **for approving that pathway -- AES estimates that the** 10 **EPA proposal for advanced biofuel levels would result** 11 **in soybean oil use for the production of methyl ester** 12 **at 5.6 billion pounds of soybean oil, a 13 percent** 13 **increase.** 14 **The increase in soybean oil demand would be** 15 **difficult to meet as ending stocks are already tight.** 16 **The dramatic soy oil market reaction on May 29th to** 17 **your proposal is evidence of this. Nearby soybean oil** 18 **futures in the hours following that rose by 7.5** 19 **percent.** 20 **In conclusion, the advanced biofuel proposal by** 21 **EPA has already created a disruption in the** 22 **availability and price of soybean oil. Because of the** Page 304

1 **importance of soybean oil to food companies, EPA** 2 **decisions with regard to the annual RVO for advanced** 3 **biofuels are already substantially increasing costs for** 4 **food companies.** 5 **AES recommends that EPA reduce the proposed 2016** 6 **advanced biofuel RVO to 2.9 billion gallons, the same** 7 **level as 2015.** 8 **Thank you. And I hope after you've endured this 8** 9 **or 9 hours of testimony, you have the chance to use** 10 **alcohol for its best purpose afterwards.** 11 **(Laughter.)** 12 **MR. LAPP: Thank you.** 13 **MR. GRUNDLER: Okay. You can count on that.** 14 **Thank you.** 15 **Mr. Rider, welcome.** 16 **MR. RIDER: Thank you.** 17 **Appreciate the opportunity to be here today to** 18 **testify on the 2014, 2015, and 2016 standards. My name** 19 **is Allen Rider. I've worked in the industry, the** 20 **agricultural industry for 40-some years, and I'm one of** 21 **the founding members of the 25x'25 group.** 22 **Despite a slight increase in the proposed volumes**

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1 **over the November 2013 proposal, EPA's latest proposed** 2 **volume requirements are not in alignment with the** 3 **congressionally established biofuel blending** 4 **requirements. As proposed, the standards would curtail** 5 **the attainment of economic, environment, energy, and** 6 **national security and public health benefits that** 7 **Congress expected to achieve through the implementation** 8 **of the RFS.** 9 **The resurgence that the nation's rural sector has** 10 **enjoyed over the past decade has been driven in large** 11 **part by biofuel production. In 2014, ethanol** 12 **production contributed nearly $53 million to the** 13 **nation's GDP, supported -- that's $53 billion, excuse** 14 **me, to the nation's GDP. Supported nearly 380,000** 15 **jobs, generated over $25 billion in wages, contributed** 16 **$10.3 billion in tax revenues, and displaced $49** 17 **billion of potentially imported oil.** 18 **The effects of biodiesel are similar, except at a** 19 **smaller magnitude because of the lower volumes. I** 20 **would hate to see us lose this opportunity and** 21 **potentially put the renewable energy at risk through** 22 **the agricultural and the rural developments that we've Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **been doing. Also, we must recognize that this act will** 2 **reduce the desire to put more investment in both the** 3 **production side and the distribution side.** 4 **Rather than reducing the biofuel blending** 5 **requirements established under the EISA of 2007, EPA** 6 **should maintain and enforce the congressionally** 7 **established renewable fuel volume targets and thereby** 8 **stimulate innovation and move our nation to a stronger** 9 **position in the global energy economy. And while we're** 10 **reaping the economic and security benefits of a strong** 11 **biofuel sector, we can also further reduce emissions of** 12 **greenhouse gases and toxic pollutions resulting from** 13 **petroleum fuel usage.** 14 **Further, it is time to stop using the constraining** 15 **term "E10 blend wall." The future for higher-blend** 16 **ethanol is bright.** 17 **Researchers at our DOE national laboratories have** 18 **found that mid-level ethanol fuel blends between 25 and** 19 **40 percent not only enable higher-octane fuels but** 20 **offer real gains of 5 to 10 percent in vehicle** 21 **efficiency and significant reductions in greenhouse gas** 22 **emissions. In fact, lifecycle analysis models show**

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1 **that conventional biofuels now reduce emissions by up** 2 **to 48 percent, as compared to fossil fuels, while** 3 **cellulosic biofuels achieve even better reductions.** 4 **Even with taking land use change into account, new** 5 **data shows that total emissions from the biofuels are** 6 **much lower than that of petroleum fuels. Going** 7 **forward, efficiencies in feedstock production,** 8 **improvements in biomass conversion processes, and** 9 **improved engine technologies will further enhance the** 10 **carbon lifecycle for biofuels while the search for** 11 **harder to reach crude supplies will adversely impact** 12 **the carbon lifecycle for petroleum.** 13 **The RFS is a long-term policy commitment by** 14 **Congress to drive innovation, expand research and** 15 **development, encourage investment, and open the door to** 16 **new markets. If not revised, EPA's proposed biofuel** 17 **blending requirements will make the attainment of the** 18 **President's energy efficiency and climate goals much** 19 **more difficult, if not really impossible to attain.** 20 **I thank you very much for the opportunity to** 21 **present our views on this critically important clean** 22 **energy policy. We'll be submitting details in writing.** Page 308

1 **MR. GRUNDLER: Excellent. Thank you, Mr. Rider.** 2 **Mr. Nelson, you're up.** 3 **MR. NELSON: Thank you. I'm Taylor Nelson, and** 4 **I'm from Jackson, Nebraska, a small town in the** 5 **northeast corner of the State.** 6 **I'm 24 years old and recently completed my degree** 7 **at the University of Nebraska Lincoln in agriculture** 8 **economics. I'm recently married and have returned home** 9 **to rural Nebraska, where I am currently working to** 10 **transition into our family farming operation as the** 11 **fifth generation. I'm also an owner of a retail fuel** 12 **and convenience store business in Jackson, along with** 13 **my father.** 14 **Thank you for the opportunity to testify in** 15 **opposition to the proposed reductions in the RFS,** 16 **particularly the corn ethanol requirements.** 17 **In the fall of 2012, my dad, wife, and I completed** 18 **a brand-new, state-of-the-art C-store facility** 19 **highlighted by several new features, including the** 20 **installation of ethanol blender pumps. We envisioned** 21 **the ability to purchase our ethanol directly from the** 22 **plant located in Jackson and offer higher-level ethanol**

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1 **blends that we could proudly advertise were made using** 2 **locally grown corn and produced right in Jackson about** 3 **1 mile from our station.** 4 **We made major investments in equipment and** 5 **infrastructure to be able to do this, with the vision** 6 **that things like the RFS would help keep this** 7 **investment secure through the mandate of higher ethanol** 8 **usage that could be made viable through higher-level** 9 **ethanol blends. We hoped to promote both the strong** 10 **local market for area corn producers, as well as** 11 **choices of E15, E30, and E85 ethanol blends for our** 12 **customers.** 13 **Through our renovations, we now offer ethanol** 14 **blends at our station that very often provide for** 15 **lowest cost per mile for consumers and promote our** 16 **locally produced fuel source and local corn farmers. A** 17 **big part of putting the RFS back to where it was** 18 **initially set is finding ways to use more ethanol. For** 19 **those opposing the RFS saying that consumers are not** 20 **interested in higher ethanol blends, I have a different** 21 **story to tell.** 22 **Higher ethanol-blended gasoline, which, for us, Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **includes E15, E30, and E85, have accounted for 20** 2 **percent of our total gas sales. We have seen this** 3 **immense response in only 2 1/2 years of making these** 4 **blends available. Prior to our renovations, there were** 5 **no ethanol blends offered at our station besides E10.** 6 **Further, in the first 2 1/2 years of operation, we** 7 **have averaged an 18.4 percent ethanol blend, including** 8 **our E10. This is proof that consumers are interested** 9 **in higher ethanol blends and the economic and** 10 **environmental benefits.** 11 **This is a new concept for many consumers, and I am** 12 **happy to say that customers of ours have done an** 13 **excellent job adopting and understanding fuels and that** 14 **we experience very few problems with people using** 15 **higher ethanol blends.** 16 **As a farmer and fuel retailer, I made a commitment** 17 **through the many investments needed to offer ethanol** 18 **blends, as well as getting started farming. I'm here** 19 **to explain the great results I've seen in doing this on** 20 **all sides.** 21 **I hope that my testimony helps the EPA see the** 22 **importance of maintaining their commitment in the RFS**

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1 **and the vital role they play in ensuring a successful** 2 **rural America for my generation and for corn producers** 3 **and fuel retailers in the future.** 4 **Thank you.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Bierman?** 6 **MR. BIERMAN: Hi. I'm Dave Bierman, a farmer from** 7 **Iowa.** 8 **Think about this. It takes 3.5 gallons of diesel** 9 **fuel to produce an acre of corn. One acre's** 10 **production, 200 bushel of corn, run through an ethanol** 11 **plant will produce 560 gallons of ethanol.** 12 **That's not a bad trade, 3.5 gallons for 560** 13 **gallons of ethanol. And still you have a high-protein** 14 **livestock feed that's a byproduct of the process.** 15 **Also, we produce twice as much corn today as we** 16 **did in the '80s on less acres.** 17 **Thank you.** 18 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Very efficient** 19 **testimony today.** 20 **So last, but certainly not least, we have Cheryl** 21 **Worth. Welcome.** 22 **MS. WORTH: Thank you.** Page 312

1 **My name is Cheryl Worth. I'm president of 3G** 2 **Energy in Wichita, Kansas.** 3 **I want to thank everybody for giving me a voice** 4 **today about something that my husband and I are very** 5 **passionate about, and I feel very honored to be here** 6 **today.** 7 **My husband and I are in the convenience store and** 8 **fuel business. We sell gasoline and blends of ethanol** 9 **up to E85. We have never had any ethanol fuel-related** 10 **issues. Our customers love E85. We sell a lot of it** 11 **to customers for their race cars. The higher the** 12 **octane, the better to them. They'd buy E98 if we could** 13 **sell it to them.** 14 **We are also very strong advocates for fuel choice,** 15 **and we feel it is our moral obligation to try to make a** 16 **difference. We were recently featured in a documentary** 17 **called "Pump," which is about fuel competition, fuel** 18 **choice, and energy independence.** 19 **Right now, we have a fuel monopoly in this** 20 **country. We will never become energy independent as a** 21 **nation while we are dependent solely on oil as a fuel** 22 **source. We need to support homegrown renewable fuels.**

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1 **Until then, we will continue to be held hostage by** 2 **Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations who take our money** 3 **and control crude pricing.** 4 **The definition of insanity is doing the same thing** 5 **over and expecting a different result. We all should** 6 **remind ourselves what happened in 1973 and not set** 7 **ourselves up for another oil crisis. We need to be** 8 **following the lead of Brazil, who have fuel** 9 **competition. They have fuel choice, and they have made** 10 **themselves energy independent.** 11 **Ethanol has been an excellent replacement for** 12 **MTBE. Ethanol is high octane. It's clean burning.** 13 **It's nontoxic, noncarcinogenic. It's just merely grain** 14 **alcohol. As a breast cancer survivor myself with no** 15 **prior family history of breast cancer, I know that we** 16 **are being exposed to way too many toxins. There is too** 17 **much cancer.** 18 **The average American doesn't realize that 10** 19 **percent ethanol is blended into our fuel supply to** 20 **boost the subgrade 85 octane gasoline that the oil** 21 **companies are making at the refineries. So the oil** 22 **companies are taking advantage of ethanol's high Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **octane.** 2 **It's my opinion that we should be adding more** 3 **ethanol into our fuel supply, not less. E15 is merely** 4 **adding another 5 percent ethanol into the fuel supply.** 5 **It would add octane and displace some of our fuel** 6 **needs.** 7 **It's because of first-generation or corn ethanol** 8 **that we now have over 17 million flex-fuel vehicles on** 9 **the road today that can burn either gasoline or blends** 10 **of ethanol up to E85. More and more stations are** 11 **getting blender pumps and offering fuel choice. We are** 12 **building infrastructure. We are making progress.** 13 **The agenda of those behind the movement to change** 14 **the RFS have made their agenda very clear on social** 15 **media sites, where they are pushing their agenda. And** 16 **make no mistake. This is not about tweaking the RFS.** 17 **This is an attempt to ultimately end the RFS, end fuel** 18 **competition, and end fuel choice.** 19 **As a mother and a parent, I want better for my** 20 **children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren.** 21 **We need to make things better for future generations.** 22 **We need to fix this. Please make the right decisions**

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1 **that move us forward and not back.** 2 **God bless.** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, Ms. Worth.** 4 **And thank you to all the panel member for your** 5 **time. We really respect it.** 6 **The next panel is Panel 39. If you did not hear** 7 **me announce a few minutes ago that 33, 35, and 37 are** 8 **now in the adjacent room, you should go over there** 9 **right now.** 10 **And I do not see any Panel 39 members in the on** 11 **deck line. So we will take a 5-minute break and try to** 12 **get the word out that we've moved them forward.** 13 **Thank you.** 14 **(Recess.)** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Have a seat.** 16 **(Pause.)** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: We'll move from this end to that** 18 **end in order since this is an ad hoc panel. Come on** 19 **up.** 20 **(Pause.)** 21 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. We're ready when you** 22 **are, ma'am.** Page 316

1 **MS. CALDWELL: Okay. Great. Good afternoon. My** 2 **name is Iris Caldwell. I'm a research engineer with** 3 **the Energy Resources Center at the University of** 4 **Illinois-Chicago.** 5 **I welcome the opportunity to present at this** 6 **important hearing regarding the 2014, 2015, and 2016** 7 **standards for the Renewable Fuel Standard Program.** 8 **The Biofuels Research Center at the Energy** 9 **Resources Center has been extensively informing the** 10 **scientific discourse in the area of energy and** 11 **greenhouse gas modeling during the renewable fuel** 12 **standard development. Our principal economist, Dr.** 13 **Steffen Mueller, served on the expert working group for** 14 **the California Low-Carbon Fuel Standard development and** 15 **is the coauthor of the CCLUB land use interface model** 16 **used in the Argonne GREET model.** 17 **Our peer-reviewed research has demonstrated that** 18 **today's average corn-based ethanol significantly** 19 **reduces greenhouse gas emissions compared to petroleum** 20 **based gasoline, even when potential indirect land use** 21 **change emissions are considered. It is our belief that** 22 **the renewable fuel standard has played an important**

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1 **role in creating a stable market environment that** 2 **encourages development of and investment in new** 3 **biorefinery and agricultural technologies.** 4 **Our work has shown that the biofuels industry has** 5 **a uniquely high rate of innovation and technology** 6 **adoption, which has resulted in steady reductions in** 7 **greenhouse gas impacts. Specifically, our research** 8 **shows energy use and related greenhouse gas emissions** 9 **by biorefineries have been trending downward over the** 10 **past decade.** 11 **Secondly, emerging agricultural practices and** 12 **technologies have been shown to further reduce land** 13 **demands and emissions from biofuels production.** 14 **Thirdly, recent analyses demonstrate potential** 15 **indirect land use change emissions are substantially** 16 **lower for ethanol than initially estimated by the U.S.** 17 **EPA and others. These reductions in predicted** 18 **emissions are primarily due to improved indirect land** 19 **use change modeling for a number of factors.** 20 **The Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model** 21 **estimates that corn ethanol greenhouse gas emissions** 22 **are on average 34 percent lower than gasoline. In Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **light of the greenhouse gas reduction potential that** 2 **can be achieved from using ethanol, we are concerned** 3 **about the proposed renewable volume obligations** 4 **released by EPA.** 5 **EPA's adjustment from the original RVO will likely** 6 **leave conventional biofuels short by 1.6 billion** 7 **gallons in 2015. This shortage represents increased** 8 **greenhouse gas emissions of approximately 4.5 million** 9 **tons of carbon dioxide equivalents for that year.** 10 **According to the EPA equivalency calculator, this is** 11 **comparable to the annual greenhouse gas emissions of** 12 **just under 1 million passenger vehicles.** 13 **In closing, we believe that the renewable fuel** 14 **standard results in substantial greenhouse gas savings** 15 **by stimulating innovation at the feedstock production** 16 **and biorefinery level. However, the proposed standards** 17 **fail to fully realize these greenhouse gas savings.** 18 **Thank you.** 19 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Wilson?** 20 **MR. WILSON: Thank you. Thank you for being here,** 21 **and thank you for your endurance.** 22 **My name is Charles Wilson. I am president of**

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1 **Trenton Agri Products. Trenton is a corn and sorghum** 2 **based fuel-grade ethanol production company that first** 3 **commenced operations in 2004 in Trenton, Nebraska.** 4 **After the RFS2 was adopted in 2007 to further** 5 **expand mandated ethanol consumption, our facility** 6 **expanded its production capability likewise and at** 7 **considerable cost, as did most other existing** 8 **facilities, in addition to the construction of new** 9 **facilities to meet the supply requirements as called** 10 **for under RFS2. The ethanol industry did its part,** 11 **consistent with the legislative intent of expanding** 12 **renewable fuels into the U.S. transportation fuel** 13 **supply.** 14 **Today, grain-based ethanol supply is more than** 15 **adequately available to meet the mandated requirements** 16 **laid out by Congress. Congress fully understood and** 17 **the law clearly contemplates that expanding annual** 18 **mandates would require increasing blend levels of** 19 **renewable fuels in the U.S. gasoline pool.** 20 **There was no provision for stopping the mandate** 21 **requirements when a 10 percent blend wall was achieved.** 22 **This is a fictitious notion. The only provision for** Page 320

1 **reductions of the blend rate or mandated volume is when** 2 **renewable fuel supply cannot be reasonably produced and** 3 **made available to refiners and marketers of** 4 **transportation fuels.** 5 **The proposed RVOs for 2014 through '16 are** 6 **attempts, it appears, to match the mandates to this 10** 7 **percent blend rate. This is not consistent with** 8 **congressional intent of the RFS. The RVOs for these** 9 **years should be reproposed to match the law, as the** 10 **supply from grain-based ethanol is there.** 11 **The RIN system was designed to incentivize the** 12 **petroleum refiners and downstream companies to build** 13 **out infrastructure accommodating increased ethanol** 14 **blending all the way to retail distribution. The law** 15 **was passed nearly 8 years ago.** 16 **Ample time has passed for all the commercial** 17 **parties to plan accordingly. For these same parties** 18 **today to say we don't have the infrastructure in place** 19 **for higher-level ethanol blends simply means they have** 20 **been hoping the RFS wouldn't be enforced, as the EPA is** 21 **proposing not to do.** 22 **And for the last several years, as they, the**

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1 **obligated parties, saw the breach of the blend wall** 2 **coming, they have been saying the RFS is broken and** 3 **other forms of -- and rallying other unrelated parties** 4 **into the falsehoods of food fights and other forms of** 5 **demagoguery. What they're really messaging is we** 6 **refuse to give up any more market share to ethanol, and** 7 **accordingly, they will do anything to prevent the U.S.** 8 **consumer from having a true choice at the pump.** 9 **These obligated parties have temporarily** 10 **convinced, I believe, the EPA to buy into this factors** 11 **that affect consumption thesis to support the EPA's** 12 **current, but wrong proposal. The ethanol production** 13 **industry has invested billions to create supply** 14 **consistent with the congressional mandate, but the** 15 **parties obligated to blend and distribute renewable** 16 **fuels downstream haven't made their necessary** 17 **investments, and they would be bailed out of their** 18 **obligations by the EPA's proposed RVOs.** 19 **I have to ask you, the EPA, what are we supposed** 20 **to do with our nearly 2 billion gallons a year of** 21 **excess capacity? Obviously, the answer is we'll have** 22 **to shut it in. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **In concluding, or I should say further, you know,** 2 **the White House and the EPA say they want a reduction** 3 **of CO2 emissions. These words appear hollow or even** 4 **hypocritical with the proposed RVO when, in fact,** 5 **reducing the RVO, in fact, increases carbon emissions.** 6 **In concluding, please repropose the RVOs to be** 7 **consistent with the mandates as proposed -- not as** 8 **proposed, but as laid out in the law.** 9 **Thank you.** 10 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, sir. Would** 11 **you mind handing the microphone to your left?** 12 **MR. BRINKER: Thank you.** 13 **Good afternoon. My name is Alan Brinker. I am** 14 **here as a commercial beef producer, a commercial** 15 **poultry producer, and also a commodities manager at** 16 **Three Rivers Energy, one of the easternmost ethanol** 17 **plants in the United States. We are in southeastern** 18 **Ohio.** 19 **I came here today with a well-prepared statement,** 20 **just like all the rest of the 250 or 350 folks that did** 21 **before me, and I guess I'm glad to say they were** 22 **equally as eloquent as I hope to be and prepared. But**

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1 **they have used every fact, every statement, and every** 2 **talking point that I had wished to use. There is** 3 **nothing left except my personal story.** 4 **And so, I'm going to succumb to that and hope that** 5 **it somehow encourages the EPA and this committee to** 6 **reconsider their commitment.** 7 **My wife and I are blessed to have four children.** 8 **Our oldest, Lauren, is at Eastern Kentucky University.** 9 **And while Lauren is not an ag student, she has several** 10 **ag friends that want to continue in ag and find a** 11 **career there.** 12 **Whenever their friends find out that Lauren's dad** 13 **is a farmer and works at an ethanol plant, they** 14 **inevitably come to me and say, hey, we're excited. We** 15 **want to do something. We don't see a lot of promise in** 16 **agriculture at home. But when we hear that you're in** 17 **the ethanol business, we're excited. What can you tell** 18 **us about it? And so, the conversation continues.** 19 **When we take our son Ian to his next baseball** 20 **tournament, of which he's at one today in Cincinnati,** 21 **inevitably I meet a consumer of fuel around the hot dog** 22 **stand or underneath the roof waiting for the rain to** Page 324

1 **pass by, and our conversation inevitably gets to** 2 **agriculture.** 3 **And when they learn that I'm a farmer and I work** 4 **at an ethanol plant, they say, hey, tell us about** 5 **ethanol. We don't know a thing about it, but we'd like** 6 **to see it at the pump. Tell us more, please.** 7 **When we take Leah, our second daughter, to summer** 8 **theater, I meet a bunch of parents that say, hey, we're** 9 **glad the ethanol plant came to Coshocton. Coshocton** 10 **was a dismal place to live, and now it has some glimmer** 11 **of hope because of the ethanol plant.** 12 **They're glad to see us. They're glad to learn** 13 **about ethanol. They're glad to see support for corn,** 14 **and they're glad to learn something about this E85** 15 **thing that is so foreign to them.** 16 **Lastly, when I go to church, there's a man named** 17 **Dale Hedrick who's a fellow farmer. Every week after** 18 **our service, Dale comes to me and says, Alan, tell me** 19 **about the ethanol plant. Tell me what's good. Tell me** 20 **what's coming down the line. I am so happy the ethanol** 21 **plant came to town.** 22 **That's honestly all I have for you. I hope my**

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1 **personal statement somehow makes sense to you. I hope** 2 **that it carries some merit, and I hope that the EPA** 3 **continues with the commitment they originally made.** 4 **Thank you for your time.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. And that's a very** 6 **eloquent story. Thank you for sharing it.** 7 **MR. BRINKER: Thank you.** 8 **MR. GRUNDLER: Sir, please?** 9 **MR. VAN HOUWELING: Thank you for this** 10 **opportunity. My name is Don van Houweling. I am from** 11 **a small farm community in central Iowa.** 12 **I have as my business the responsibility of** 13 **selling John Deere equipment. I also have a business** 14 **that puts up wind turbines, and we've got wind turbines** 15 **that we've installed all over Iowa for small farm** 16 **production.** 17 **I'm also in the renewables business in that we** 18 **also install solar systems for our hog producers. So I** 19 **have very much been interested in renewable fuels and** 20 **the impact that renewable fuels have on our country's** 21 **economy and its security and its people.** 22 **Being in rural Iowa, clearly ethanol is a big Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **deal. And as you know, Iowa is the number-one producer** 2 **of ethanol. And so, I've seen directly the impact that** 3 **the RFS has had on our State and our people and our** 4 **economy.** 5 **I have seen the impact that it has had on the cost** 6 **of gasoline at our pumps today. The fact that we have** 7 **a competitive situation, and oil, regular standard oil** 8 **folks understand that it's real.** 9 **So if I understand correctly, your mandate is to** 10 **help us, with you, to protect our environment. And so,** 11 **I found -- as I was preparing for these comments, I** 12 **just found that interesting that I am asking you to** 13 **help us do that in this particular environment.** 14 **So I see you having a clear opportunity to, at a** 15 **minimum, maintain the mandated use of ethanol since it** 16 **scientifically helps to clean America's air. You know,** 17 **you've heard all the data, 48, 50 percent, whatever it** 18 **is, that compared to non-ethanol gasoline we have this** 19 **positive direct greenhouse emission effect.** 20 **I also think it's so important that we remember** 21 **how big a deal it is for us to be self-sustaining when** 22 **it comes to energy from a national security standpoint.**

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1 **It's a huge deal, and it seems to me that we've** 2 **forgotten how important that's going to be.** 3 **So I've talked about the fact that we have a** 4 **competitive price at our pump, and we all know that** 5 **today the fact that we're paying $3.40 or $3.50 instead** 6 **of $4.50 for fuel, it's a big deal and it's** 7 **reverberated throughout our whole economy and improved** 8 **the state of our nation.** 9 **One of the big deals here, and I had a chance to** 10 **go to Washington and testify there as well, was that** 11 **the oil companies were not interested in making** 12 **additional retail investments at their fuel stations.** 13 **And one of the things they've tried not to do is make** 14 **those investments because it's a big deal. We know** 15 **that.** 16 **But as was mentioned earlier, they've had 8 years** 17 **to get ready for this mandated additional delivery of** 18 **higher percentage ethanol products and haven't done it,** 19 **with the idea that sooner or later they could convince** 20 **somebody that it wasn't a good idea. We don't want to** 21 **let them get away with that idea.** 22 **And let's be clear. Our farmers have been able to** Page 328

1 **create a future for rural America through this added** 2 **value of ethanol.** 3 **And finally, I'd ask one other question. Why are** 4 **we not paying just as much attention to the huge damage** 5 **that flare gas is creating off of all the wells that** 6 **we've been putting up? I'm thinking about the Bakkens.** 7 **In 2012 on Federal land alone, we added 8 million** 8 **metric tons of fugitive methane emissions, or the** 9 **equivalent of annual emissions of 42 million cars, to** 10 **our atmosphere. That's the hearings that I would like** 11 **for you to also have, as we think about how we're going** 12 **to clean the air in America, sustain our rural** 13 **economies, manage the balance of big oil against** 14 **ethanol producers, and make this nation a better place** 15 **to live.** 16 **Thank you for this opportunity.** 17 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony and** 18 **your work in other parts of the renewable energy** 19 **economy. It's very important. Next?** 20 **MR. WALSH: All right. Before I begin, I just** 21 **want to say I'm known for wearing shorts when the** 22 **temperature is 20 below, and I don't know how natives**

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1 **here deal with the heat. Ninety-seven is pretty** 2 **unbearable.** 3 **But anyways, my name is Aaron Walsh. I am the** 4 **biggest ethanol fan and a walking ethanol encyclopedia.** 5 **You may recall I spoke at the 2013 RFS hearing.** 6 **I have driven 700 miles since yesterday afternoon** 7 **to speak today and will drive another 700 more** 8 **tomorrow. Thanks again for the opportunity to speak** 9 **today.** 10 **I would like to begin by responding to Mr. Lapp** 11 **from Panel 31. Mr. Lapp, instead of blaming the RFS** 12 **and ethanol, I invite you to check out diesel prices** 13 **and the latest corn prices. They don't support your** 14 **argument.** 15 **Alcohol belongs in cars, not humans. I just** 16 **turned 22 this month and have successfully made it my** 17 **first full year of being legal without drinking a drop** 18 **of alcohol. Tell that to my dad, who's a wholesale** 19 **liquor auditor from the State of Michigan.** 20 **(Laughter.)** 21 **MR. WALSH: I would also like to throw some** 22 **numbers at you. Last June, I purchased my 2012 Dodge Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Charger and have driven 47,000 miles in that time,** 2 **proving conclusively that I could never lease a** 3 **vehicle. I have burned all of 5 gallons of gasoline,** 4 **10 gallons of E15, and 5 gallons of E30. The rest has** 5 **been E85. That's nearly 2,300 gallons.** 6 **I found an average of 76.5 cents per gallon** 7 **savings by using E85. That's $1,760. I spend 10.2** 8 **cents per mile versus 13 with regular.** 9 **We have some 17-plus million flex-fuel vehicles in** 10 **the United States today. If everyone used an average** 11 **of 1,500 gallons per year, assuming an average ethanol** 12 **content of 78 percent, we would consume 19.89 billion** 13 **gallons of ethanol per year. Forget about E10 gasoline** 14 **and the ensuing debate over small engines.** 15 **I've read the 2007 Energy Independence and** 16 **Security Act. Nowhere does it say that we should just** 17 **go up to E10 and call it good. Nor -- I'm sorry, I** 18 **lost my spot here -- does it specify in what blend of** 19 **ethanol it must go to. So the fact of the matter is** 20 **there is no excuse for us being unable to use our** 21 **ethanol supply.** 22 **If I can fill up at 79 cents a gallon, thinking at**

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1 **22 I would never see less than $2.99 a gallon without** 2 **any discounts, others can, too. We have numerous** 3 **chains coming out in support of E85 and other ethanol** 4 **blends. They include Thorntons, Kum & Go, and not that** 5 **kind, if you know what I mean, Sheetz, the Michigan** 6 **native Meyer, Speedway, Colorado's Western Convenience,** 7 **and RaceTrac. RaceTrac, while adding ethanol-free at** 8 **many of their stores across the southern tier, is** 9 **adding E85, too.** 10 **Many RaceTrac and RaceWay stores from Texas to** 11 **Florida have E85. RaceTrac is doing something many** 12 **other retailers are not. We've established that some** 13 **retailers go out of their way to make E85 inaccessible** 14 **to consumers or price it to fail and then turn around** 15 **claiming consumers don't want it.** 16 **Expanding on my neighbor's point about failure by** 17 **oil folks to invest in ethanol infrastructure,** 18 **Midwestern chains Meyer and Speedway specifically have** 19 **8 to 12 fueling positions in most of their stores. How** 20 **many have E85? Two. Nearly every pump -- oh, I'm** 21 **sorry. Typo there.** 22 **Nearly every time I go to get fuel, consumers are** Page 332

1 **occupying both sides of the pump, purchasing gasoline.** 2 **I know that many other drivers would like to purchase** 3 **E85 but simply do not have the time to wait for an E85** 4 **pump to open when four to six other gasoline-only** 5 **dispensers are open.** 6 **I have a friend who is a RaceTrac store manager in** 7 **Dallas, and he informs me that RaceTrac sells some** 8 **20,000 gallons per day of E85 between just their 7 DFW** 9 **area stores. How is this possible? Because their** 10 **stores have E85 at every pump.** 11 **This issue is a major hindrance to E85 use and** 12 **ethanol consumption as a whole. But dragging our feet,** 13 **refusing to accept the only concrete, dependable,** 14 **accessible alternative fuel in the United States is not** 15 **an excuse. Ethanol is a gasoline alternative** 16 **accessible to those of us who are scraping by.** 17 **And to that point, kudos to the dad, by the way,** 18 **for helping me pay for my car because I'm currently** 19 **unemployed. With gasoline, how am I supposed to know** 20 **those additives are in it? How much Marathon STP, BP** 21 **Invigorate, Shell Nitro+, Citgo TriClean, et cetera, is** 22 **in the fuel? With E85, I know precisely what's in it**

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1 **and where it comes from.** 2 **What goes into my car matters to me. I care about** 3 **my car. I use E85 because for me, personally, it is** 4 **tried, true, and tested. No gimmicks, no sad marketing** 5 **ploys and -- I'm looking at you Shell with that Nitro+** 6 **stuff -- no fluff.** 7 **Whether you like it or not, ethanol is a force to** 8 **be reckoned with. If ethanol can survive the** 9 **catastrophic droughts of 2008 and 2012, a drought that** 10 **at one point covered some 76 percent of the United** 11 **States' geographical area, it is a resilient fuel that** 12 **we cannot ignore or refuse to accept.** 13 **Please consider reversing or at least lessening** 14 **the severity of your RFS renewable volume obligations.** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, Aaron, for** 16 **your repeat performance and bringing your encyclopedic** 17 **knowledge to us today.** 18 **And thank you to all of you for sharing your** 19 **testimony. We truly appreciate it. Thank you.** 20 **I'd like to invite whoever else wishes to try to** 21 **have testimony today. We've kind of gone into an ad** 22 **hoc mode. So please come on up and introduce Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **yourselves and tell us what's on your mind.** 2 **MALE SPEAKER: And if there's anyone else in the** 3 **audience that was also wishing to testify, please come** 4 **on up.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: The gentleman with the red shirt** 6 **may proceed first.** 7 **MR. MILLS: Yes, my name is Guy Mills. Today, I'm** 8 **here -- I drove from Nebraska since 2:30 this morning** 9 **to get here because I felt this is very important.** 10 **We have an operation in -- farming operation in** 11 **Nebraska that has been there 138 years. My sons are** 12 **the sixth-generation farmers on the land. Prior to** 13 **that, we farmed in Wisconsin and Ohio. So we've** 14 **farmed for a long time.** 15 **Today, I would like to address your concerns. I** 16 **know there's been a lot of feedback from different** 17 **people with negative comments, but I'd like to maybe** 18 **elaborate on exactly what the RFS has done.** 19 **Years ago, I'd done a paper in college, and I,** 20 **oddly enough, researched it for a professor, and it had** 21 **to do with John D. Rockefeller and what he talked about** 22 **over 100 years ago on how agriculture and the**

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1 **production of energy would create new wealth for the** 2 **country.** 3 **That was in response to then-State senator Loran** 4 **Schmit from Nebraska, who coined the term "gasohol."** 5 **And at that time, particular time, the professors from** 6 **the universities did not like Mr. Schmit, Senator** 7 **Schmit. So I wrote this paper. And in the research of** 8 **that, I found that information about John D.** 9 **Rockefeller.** 10 **And I also found out a lot of different things** 11 **about how in World War II how Adolf Hitler was running** 12 **out of fuel, and at the particular point in time, he** 13 **told his German scientists to go out and produce fuel** 14 **out of anything and -- or else. And the "or else" was** 15 **he would execute their families. So needless to say,** 16 **they become highly motivated.** 17 **But what they found out is that fuel can be made** 18 **essentially from anything from carbon. We talked about** 19 **in the ethanol industry about fermentable starches, but** 20 **it basically goes back to carbon. I could mow your** 21 **lawn, take the grass clippings, and make fuel. It may** 22 **not necessarily be efficient.** Page 336

1 **That's why we have coal trains that come through** 2 **my hometown because, essentially, it's sunlight trapped** 3 **in a basic form. And that's where the term the ethanol** 4 **come from, and they're all essentially arrangements of** 5 **carbon atoms. But with that being said, I'd like to** 6 **maybe say exactly what this has done.** 7 **Agriculture as an industry is probably defined as** 8 **an industry of oversupply and low prices. That's been** 9 **characteristic of pretty much agriculture. In the** 10 **Great Depression, they brought about the 1933** 11 **Agriculture Adjustment Act, and up until 2005, the** 12 **Federal Government imposed essentially supply** 13 **restrictions.** 14 **So it's kind of ironic that people talk about the** 15 **food versus fuel debate because even in 1983, for** 16 **example, we had a 50 percent set-aside, and that was a** 17 **(inaudible) drought.** 18 **Back in 1934, this is something that maybe very** 19 **few people know, and these are maybe the holes I'd like** 20 **to fill in that's something that you haven't heard.** 21 **But in my hometown of Ansley, Nebraska, the USDA issued** 22 **to Smiley Hays, a 30-aught-6 and a few boxes of shells**

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1 **with the express purpose of shooting healthy livestock,** 2 **and that include cattle and hawks.** 3 **And the reason was because they figured the** 4 **rationale was if you had three head, you shot one, the** 5 **other two would be worth more money. And that was** 6 **drastic measures in drastic times. But the basic** 7 **premise has been since that of supply control from 1933** 8 **to 2005.** 9 **So what has the RFS done? RFS done has changed** 10 **the landscape of agriculture. It got into a situation** 11 **to where we got away from supply controls. We got away** 12 **from do we plant 10 percent set-aside this year? Do we** 13 **plant 8 or 6 or 50 as in 1983?** 14 **What it done, it put full production into** 15 **agriculture. It utilized everything, and it created** 16 **wealth. And the magic of the RFS is that it created** 17 **wealth without increasing food prices.** 18 **Now you probably need to replace that -- repeat** 19 **that because the magic of the RFS is that it created** 20 **wealth without increasing food prices. And we had many** 21 **people that talk about what is done to food. I even** 22 **had a grocery store manager in 2012 talk about how his Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **grocery store was impacted by the drought.** 2 **I said, okay, I said, but most cycles in** 3 **agriculture with good prices, you only last about 4** 4 **years. I said -- corn was about $8 at that day. I** 5 **said, but when corn gets to $4 and it will, I said I** 6 **expect your groceries to go to half.** 7 **And the other day, I was in his store, and he come** 8 **up to me, and he said, you know what? You're right.** 9 **Because I made the situation, I said when I go to pay** 10 **for my groceries, when corn goes down, if you have $100** 11 **on my bill, I want to only pay you $50 since the corn** 12 **price went down if there's any correlation.** 13 **So at least he was man enough to admit that, and I** 14 **challenge you that when you buy your own personal** 15 **groceries to go out and look what happened to the** 16 **price. So that pretty much dispels the myth right** 17 **there. I mean, that's maybe the good thing of these** 18 **low prices is that it dispelled that food versus fuel** 19 **myth.** 20 **Now I would like to address some of the other** 21 **things. For example, like every Secretary of** 22 **Agriculture from 1933 to 2005 was in the deal there,**

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1 **what do we do with low prices? That was the dilemma** 2 **every Secretary of Agriculture faced. The RFS changed** 3 **that. They finally got profit into agriculture.** 4 **Now I'd like to address, you know, maybe some more** 5 **of the concerns. For example, you've heard bad** 6 **comments not only from the food versus fuel, but from** 7 **the cattlemen. And in every drought since we've had it** 8 **-- and I'm a cattle producer, too. I'm an ethanol** 9 **investor, cattle producer, and farmer.** 10 **But every drought that we've had in these years** 11 **that we've been in Nebraska, we've had droughts in the** 12 **1880s, the 1930s, '50s, '70s, 2000, 2008, and 2012.** 13 **And what happened in that is when you have a drought is** 14 **that your cow-calf operation, your herd becomes** 15 **liquidated.** 16 **But what the RFS brought back, and if you look at** 17 **Texas, Texas lost 500,000 head of cow-calf operation,** 18 **and Nebraska lost 78,000 head, significantly less.** 19 **They essentially had the same cattle in both Texas and** 20 **Nebraska. And if you look at the precipitation map,** 21 **the precipitation map was essentially the same.** 22 **And the only deal, if you go county by county,** Page 340

1 **where did the cows leave, and that was the counties** 2 **that did not have a close proximity to the ethanol** 3 **plant. Because the thing about ethanol products is** 4 **that you can take and you're in the sand hills of** 5 **Nebraska, you can go out and take, mow down your** 6 **rushes.** 7 **That's a nonpalatable plant that usually grows** 8 **around the water edges. Mix that with distillers, and** 9 **all of a sudden, you have a product that keeps your** 10 **herd intact. And that would be one of the main** 11 **benefits that the ethanol industry does was the herd** 12 **liquidation.** 13 **But I would like to, you know, ask yourself today** 14 **why do you think the FFA is here today? Here you have** 15 **a bunch of teenagers that are probably interested in** 16 **the opposite sex at 15 or 16 or 17 years old. Yet** 17 **they're walking around in their blue jackets, and** 18 **they're wondering about their future.** 19 **And I want you to consider that because the** 20 **consequences of poor prices is something. An amazing** 21 **statistic that has happened to our family. In that 138** 22 **years in Nebraska, we have had four banks fail on us,**

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1 **and the Federal Government will not do anything to us** 2 **farmers if we go broke. We're expendable.** 3 **But it would only be to the banks start to get in** 4 **trouble that that'll happen again, and that will be** 5 **something that you'll bring about pain upon the younger** 6 **generation, on those who are maybe highly leveraged.** 7 **So that will be the consequences of your action.** 8 **You've listened to the RIN prices, but from the** 9 **human side, it'll be the consequences of those young** 10 **individuals who tried to buy a tractor, who tried to** 11 **buy a farm, and are now will be financially strapped.** 12 **That's the consequences of rolling it back. And with** 13 **that, I would like you to reconsider it to follow the** 14 **law.** 15 **Now back to Nebraska, I'd love to drive 90 miles** 16 **an hour. But they won't let me because I have to** 17 **follow the law, and I wish that you would follow the** 18 **law and help rural America survive.** 19 **Thank you very much.** 20 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. And thank you for** 21 **getting up so early to provide that testimony. It** 22 **certainly is worth it. Thank you. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Next?** 2 **MR. MADDEN: Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you** 3 **for being here and taking this testimony.** 4 **My name is Arthur Madden. I am the chief** 5 **financial officer of Mid-Missouri Energy. It is an** 6 **ethanol plant in Missouri approximately, oh, a mile --** 7 **and hour and a half away from here. And I deal with** 8 **the bottom line essentially. That's what I do.** 9 **And I've sat here through this hearing, and** 10 **throughout the entire thing, I've heard one primary** 11 **explanation given of each and every person that's** 12 **testified, whether they're for or against. And it is** 13 **the bottom line. That bottom line is jobs.** 14 **Plain and simple, it's jobs. RFS has been a huge,** 15 **huge success in providing jobs throughout the United** 16 **States.** 17 **Think of building the ethanol plants,** 18 **entrepreneurship, American ingenuity putting these** 19 **together. The farmers providing the product that we** 20 **turn into ethanol, we turn into distillers grains. We** 21 **turn into a renewable product the CO2, which not only** 22 **is captured, but also it's recaptured and put into soda**

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1 **bottles, processing of meats, cleaning of industrial** 2 **tools, and so forth.** 3 **The other thing is think of all the jobs that an** 4 **ethanol plant supports. You know, the gentleman just** 5 **gave you an example, his own story a few minutes ago.** 6 **Well, when I was in college, my specialty was to study** 7 **fuel prices. And that time, it was called oil price** 8 **shocks on the aggregate economy.** 9 **And I saw a little ad talking about an ethanol** 10 **plant. I had no idea what ethanol was. I got an** 11 **amazing education in economics. What we have is a tiny** 12 **little store in our town. It's a small little town,** 13 **maybe 200 and some odd people. That's provided you** 14 **count the chickens and the cows as well.** 15 **Now this little store used to employ one person,** 16 **and she barely kept it going. Now think about all the** 17 **drivers that come through that little town to pick up** 18 **distillers grains. Think of all the drivers that come** 19 **through that little town to pick up ethanol. Think of** 20 **all the drivers that come through that little town to** 21 **deliver grain.** 22 **She's now employing two people. She could keep** Page 344

1 **that store open much later, but I'm sorry, there's just** 2 **so many hours you can operate, and the store is kind of** 3 **tiny as it is. Multiply that by all these ethanol** 4 **plants around the country, you have the exact same** 5 **success story.** 6 **And I'm urging you not to change the RFS because** 7 **the bottom line, the bottom line of the RFS is that** 8 **success story. It's a success story for these farmers.** 9 **It's a success story for these small towns. It's a** 10 **success story for all these drivers, the infrastructure** 11 **that's put into that.** 12 **And our little company alone, there were two, two** 13 **companies that were started to deliver ethanol, to** 14 **drive the trucks. Think of all the drivers we gave** 15 **jobs to. It's beyond simply the ethanol plant itself.** 16 **There were companies started to deliver distiller** 17 **grains. Think of all the jobs that were started by a** 18 **tiny, little ethanol plant.** 19 **So I urge you gentlemen to stick to your guns.** 20 **Stick to the mandate that you have. Keep the RFS** 21 **going, for it is a success. The bottom line is jobs.** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much.**

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1 **MR. KOLSRUD: And I think I'm the last one. Is** 2 **that possible?** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: It is. It is possible.** 4 **MR. KOLSRUD: We'll see.** 5 **MR. GRUNDLER: It is possible. Take your time.** 6 **MR. KOLSRUD: Well, thank you.** 7 **(Laughter.)** 8 **MR. KOLSRUD: We're ahead of schedule. I'm David** 9 **Kolsrud. I'm a farmer from South Dakota, and I'm also** 10 **an investor in several ethanol plants or helped start** 11 **them.** 12 **I'm also on an advisory council, University of** 13 **Minnesota, bioproducts and bioengineering group and** 14 **working with a lot of students on bioproducts and the** 15 **future, what we can do in the future with a lot of our** 16 **different avenues.** 17 **First, I would like to thank you for the** 18 **opportunity to testify today. I'm advocating to** 19 **maintain the current RVOs, as required in part of the** 20 **RFS. My testimony is going to be somewhat different** 21 **since I like to identify on key drivers and how they** 22 **grow in industry in 5 to 10 years in the future. Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **Being a pioneer in the ethanol industry for the** 2 **last 20 years, I've seen many drivers in how the** 3 **ethanol responded to the solutions. In the '70s, there** 4 **was an OPEC oil embargo, and we had long lines and high** 5 **fuel prices. Well, the result was ethanol as a motor** 6 **fuel was created and started.** 7 **That was followed by a Federal legislation that** 8 **banned lead in gasoline. Well, there's many said that** 9 **engines couldn't run without lead. The ethanol** 10 **industry responded, and they do run.** 11 **1990, the passage of the Clean Air Amendment was** 12 **passed to reduce hazardous levels of carbon monoxide to** 13 **help reduce smog in some of our cities. Ethanol** 14 **responded, and we had a solution.** 15 **In the '80s, we had a farm crisis. We needed to** 16 **create economic development. Ethanol responded. We** 17 **built plants. We built farmer-owned plants. We took** 18 **ownership of our own future, something that was never** 19 **done before.** 20 **We needed to create a hedge against low corn** 21 **prices, and the ethanol industry did that. If corn is** 22 **high, we make money. That's what we wanted. If corn**

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1 **is low, we make it off the ethanol plant.** 2 **We created a perfect hedge against high fuel** 3 **prices. Same thing with the ethanol plant. If fuel is** 4 **high, farmers are still happy. If they've invested in** 5 **a plant, then it offsets a lot of their other costs.** 6 **We created a high-octane additive fuel to replace** 7 **the carcinogen that was found in MTBE. We had a** 8 **problem with carcinogens in our fuel. Ethanol** 9 **responded.** 10 **We needed to create a high-protein livestock feed** 11 **because of our dependence on livestock. Ethanol** 12 **responded.** 13 **These are a few of the key drivers in the past,** 14 **but one of the big ones that lies ahead, and that is** 15 **addressing climate change. We need these renewable** 16 **volume obligations to drive innovation. Climate change** 17 **is real, and being a farmer, I see the effects of it** 18 **every day.** 19 **With that said, how do we aggressively address** 20 **this problem? In my opinion, one of the best ways is** 21 **to convert CO2 to fuels and fuels like ethanol.** 22 **There is a company currently working on this and** Page 348

1 **doing it called Joule. They've got a Boston-based** 2 **technology, and they've got a research farm in New** 3 **Mexico. But in order for companies like Joule to** 4 **attract investors, we need a long-term stable policy** 5 **like those enacted in the 2005 RFS.** 6 **Hopefully, in my lifetime, I can see similar** 7 **reversals of climate change brought about by human** 8 **activities from the overuse of fossil fuels. And in my** 9 **lifetime, I hope we say creating a solution to climate** 10 **change, yes, ethanol responded.** 11 **Thank you.** 12 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. It's really a** 13 **privilege to listen to all of you, particularly those** 14 **of you who come here who aren't paid to talk to us and** 15 **who have taken time out of what you do ordinarily to** 16 **earn a living and feed your families to come talk to** 17 **your Government. So thank you again. It really** 18 **matters.** 19 **MALE SPEAKER: If you want to come to Nebraska,** 20 **we'd certainly invite you there. You could see an** 21 **ethanol plant, how the cow-calf operation works for a** 22 **feedlot, how ethanol has changed America.**

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1 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. I had that opportunity** 2 **yesterday to see one up close and personal and what** 3 **it's done to become more efficient. It's very** 4 **interesting.** 5 **So what we're going to do now is to go into a** 6 **recess. We're not adjourning in case other people come** 7 **and want to provide testimony. So we'll be in recess** 8 **to see if more people want to provide testimony.** 9 **The panel next door has adjourned, but we're going** 10 **to keep this hearing open to see if there are any other** 11 **people that would like to come by. But we'll be in** 12 **recess for now.** 13 **Thank you again.** 14 **(Recess.)** 15 **MR. GRUNDLER: Are you all set? Okay. Go ahead,** 16 **Scott.** 17 **MR. ZAREMBA: Good afternoon, or evening, as we're** 18 **getting to. My name is Scott Zaremba. I'm the owner** 19 **of Zarco USA, and I'm in Lawrence, Kansas. I have the** 20 **distinction of being the first retailer to bring E15 to** 21 **market in July of 2012.** 22 **I've been in the refined petroleum business my Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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1 **entire life. I'm a second-generation retailer. And** 2 **with that, I walked through '73 during our oil embargo,** 3 **'91, the Gulf War, and the collapse of the economy in** 4 **'07. And all of those things led me in '08 to build** 5 **one of the first blending retail facilities in the** 6 **United States.** 7 **With that, we evolved to being the first one to** 8 **bring E15, and I've been working on that ever since.** 9 **And so, since July of 2012, I've spoken to numerous** 10 **entities and people and companies throughout the U.S.** 11 **about our ability to have higher blends of biodiesel** 12 **and of ethanol both. You know, we have biodiesel** 13 **blending and we have ethanol blending at retail, using** 14 **existing dispensers that we have to blend that.** 15 **And so, we have the ability to do it. We're doing** 16 **it and I've been doing it for 8 years now, and I've** 17 **been selling E15 since July of 2012. And so, the only** 18 **thing that I have that really bothers me today about** 19 **where we are is I'm not selling E15 today to all** 20 **vehicles because of the Reid vapor issue in E10.** 21 **With that, you know, I could still be selling E15** 22 **to all consumers if we had a level playing field**

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1 **between unleaded and E15. And so, as the direct** 2 **retailer that is in the business and has been selling** 3 **it as long as anyone, that's my only real issue that we** 4 **have.** 5 **As far as equipment and what we can put in place** 6 **and what we can do, you know, the equipment** 7 **manufacturers that I have have certified their** 8 **equipment for E15 for everything that they've ever** 9 **produced, equipment that I have. And so, we have the** 10 **ability to do it.** 11 **You know, probably some of you have read some of** 12 **the things that have happened to me over time with the** 13 **oil companies and some of the rules that they've put in** 14 **place on me after the fact, and so a lot of the after** 15 **the fact things have caused the issues and the reason** 16 **that we are where we are today. Nobody -- because I** 17 **was the first one, we didn't have rules in place, and** 18 **they didn't even know they were possible to do the** 19 **things that we did. And so, those evolved over time** 20 **and have led us to today.** 21 **And so, we really have the ability to do it. I've** 22 **been doing it. I can show everybody what we've done** Page 352

1 **and how we've done it, and it is not something that** 2 **takes a great deal of skill or knowledge to do. It** 3 **just takes the ability to move forward with it and** 4 **having the rules set in place so we can continue to** 5 **move forward, and it's about that simple for us.** 6 **You know, again, we've been doing it a long time.** 7 **We continue to do it. We've never had any issues with** 8 **it. I've never had any customer issues with it.** 9 **There's just been a lot of things that have been** 10 **spun out over time, and a lot of people have said a lot** 11 **of things that aren't true. And I can tell you that it** 12 **is simple, easy, and we've been doing it. If I can do** 13 **it, anyone can do it.** 14 **With that, the choices that we have in life are** 15 **all the things that I look for, and I look for us to** 16 **have the ability to be able to be energy independent.** 17 **And ever since '73 during the oil embargo, I felt that** 18 **we needed to do something different for us in the** 19 **Midwest. You know, there was that ability to blend.** 20 **We created it. We did it. We can do it, and we** 21 **can do it across the country.** 22 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. All right.**

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1 **Thanks for coming out.** 2 **(Pause.)** 3 **MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you all for coming and** 4 **providing your testimony today. I'd like to officially** 5 **adjourn this public hearing. Have a safe trip home.** 6 **(Whereupon, at 6:00 p.m., the hearing was** 7 **adjourned.)** 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**8:11 79:19 100:4 112:15**  **112:18 157:21 217:5 301:5**  **338:11** billed**265:21** billion **12:18 13:18 14:20**  **15:1,12 19:12 20:16 23:10**  **24:13,14 25:7 25:10,12,13,21**  **31:18 32:4,4,7 32:7,9,10,12**  **35:13,18 37:17 39:3,3,5,5 40:5**  **41:12 45:5,21 45:22 57:9**  **61:9 68:8 71:14 90:9,22**  **91:16 102:16 108:8 117:9,10**  **117:22 118:8 119:18 132:13**  **142:12,13 145:16,17,19**  **145:20,21,21 182:13,13**  **188:14 189:8 200:20 204:1**  **204:19,20 205:16 221:3**  **221:16 226:6 226:13 228:22**  **229:15,16,20 245:3 252:19**  **252:22 254:5 254:14 259:1,8**  **263:17 270:14 270:20,21,22**  **271:2 288:1 292:1,5,5,7**  **302:4 303:1,2 303:12 304:6** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**54:13,17 245:21**  bioproducts **345:13,14** biorefineries **50:11 317:9** biorefinery **50:8 52:10,22 54:4**  **317:3 318:16** biorefining **199:11** bioscience **81:3** biostocks **81:17** bipartisan **27:12 29:18 164:21**  bipartisanship **285:10** birds **110:21** bit **113:3 134:1 147:8,11,12**  **252:16 253:16 301:11**  black**90:13,14 111:13 241:13**  blair**209:2 210:3,6,9,19**  **211:4 212:22** blake **196:5** blaming **329:11** blatantly **77:1** blend **14:11 19:9 21:15 22:3**  **34:3 35:6 40:21 41:18**  **75:18 76:21 77:1 109:10**  **111:15 112:5 114:14 130:22**  **132:14 134:18 140:14,18**  **152:11 154:18 156:8 164:14**  **171:20,21,21 172:2 173:6,16**  **174:1,3,20**

**176:13,16 177:9 182:18**  **186:7 191:18 192:11 194:10**  **200:2 203:9,10 203:12,22**  **209:16 215:5 215:20 218:18**  **226:19 232:21 234:8,14 236:5**  **238:11 242:22 245:13 249:7**  **249:13,15 250:13 254:21**  **279:2 285:16 288:6,20 302:5**  **302:7,12,17 303:4 306:15**  **310:7 319:18 319:21 320:1,7**  **321:1,15 330:18 350:14**  **352:19** blended **73:7,10 117:8 152:16**  **156:13 162:14 186:11 187:21**  **313:19** blender **56:17 86:4,10 178:3**  **186:1,13,19 188:3 197:4**  **245:13 308:20 314:11**  blenders **61:18 237:15,18**  **238:17 253:12 254:12**  blending **19:14 19:18 20:5,22**  **33:16 35:9,10 41:3 42:7**  **109:9 116:9 118:11,16** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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booked **38:15** boom**262:12** boost**71:4,11,21 183:5 188:13**  **313:20** border **144:8** borders **207:4** bostonbased **348:1** botched **163:14** bothers **350:18** bottles **343:1** bottom **136:15 158:18 284:10**  **342:8,13,13 344:7,7,21**  bought **52:15 82:3,16 92:5**  **93:21 125:8 203:12 253:14**  bounds **33:21** bowling **3:13 67:8,9,10**  **70:13** boxes **336:22** bp **332:20** brakes **261:3** brand **76:13 150:14 155:20**  branded **126:12** brandnew **308:18** branstad **3:18 78:9,14,19,20**  **80:13 85:2 88:20 89:2,13**  **89:17 91:4 93:17 98:19**  **104:10 107:18** brazil**22:19 41:10,14**  **218:21 313:8** brazilian **26:6 38:5 41:8,9**  **253:20**

breach **132:13 134:18 177:8**  **321:1** break**35:5 92:9 140:14,17**  **143:10 219:19 315:11**  breakdown **188:5** breakeven**45:17 181:4 198:5**  **251:14 253:16 276:10**  breaking **19:9 97:9 99:10**  breaks **254:13** breakthroughs **114:5 116:1** breast**313:14,15** breath**218:11** breathe **120:17 193:3 262:2,9**  **285:19** breathing **54:20 54:21**  brethren **92:18** brewster**46:11** brian **2:13 5:15 18:14,21 19:1**  **175:13** brick **151:10** brief**12:2 77:19 78:4**  briefly **51:4 128:6 149:10**  bright **99:15 306:16**  brilliant**208:5** bring **64:15,16 76:14 129:14**  **166:11 242:9 284:22 341:5**  **349:20 350:8** bringing **72:11 119:4 242:5** 

**274:19 281:13 333:16**  brings **63:13 105:8 153:8**  brinker **8:20 322:12,13**  **325:7** broad**20:6 21:14 45:19**  **139:18** broaden **282:8** broader**281:6** broke**213:11 341:2**  broken **194:1 254:22 321:2**  brother **55:10 123:2 196:15**  brothers **160:7 199:5 269:22**  brought **50:13 84:20 114:4**  **152:2 161:17 196:18 251:12**  **272:16 276:15 336:10 339:16**  **348:7** brownback **99:22** bruce **3:12 19:15 64:6,8**  brummels**7:21 265:2 275:16**  **275:17,18** bryan **6:3 193:12**  bs **276:2** btus **125:16 163:20**  bubble **125:14** budget**45:11 119:11**  build **29:10 115:13 128:22** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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closing**45:10 54:15 146:12**  **159:17 198:11 216:2 223:9**  **289:22 318:13** clothing **90:17 295:7,15**  **296:14** cloud**221:6,8** clover **58:20** cnbc **151:8** co2 **224:3,5,8,13 224:17 225:3,5**  **225:10,11,13 225:17,22**  **226:10,22 247:6 322:3**  **342:21 347:21** coal **171:10 336:1**  coalition **18:15 19:2 98:18**  **119:17 157:6 212:11 237:5**  **237:12 238:11 265:10**  coast **82:8,9,17 82:17 85:11,12**  **125:1** coasts **151:18** coauthor **316:15** codified **265:13** coffee**294:18** coffers **53:4** cofounder**220:8** cohost **193:13** coined **335:4** colby **158:1** cold**220:15** coldest**220:22** coldflow**220:17 221:11**  coleridge**275:18** collaborative**Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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faller**4:6 116:14 116:15,16**  falling **150:7 271:7**  falls **37:19 40:9 73:6 76:20**  false **17:21,21 96:9**  falsehoods **321:4** families **54:19 58:2 61:4**  **72:12 73:11 84:10 91:20**  **92:4,13,16 99:16 108:2**  **120:2 121:7 166:7 179:1**  **195:18 205:1 207:19 235:13**  **289:8 295:6 335:15 348:16**  family**28:8 29:15 43:2**  **55:16 58:22 64:1 81:14**  **83:20 85:4 104:22 107:17**  **119:11 163:2 180:22 181:3,7**  **181:8 196:14 196:16 197:1**  **197:17 198:19 202:9 204:13**  **258:8,17 259:4 264:1 269:21**  **270:4 273:3 283:10 294:4**  **308:10 313:15 340:21**  familyowned **124:9 178:12** familys **165:17 198:19** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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folks **92:12 93:17 100:7,9**  **106:15 129:2 130:13 322:20**  **326:8 331:17** follow **17:11 70:8 110:5**  **117:17 121:20 141:18 162:16**  **233:8 252:17 258:2 341:13**  **341:17,17** followed **92:15 230:21 346:7**  following **12:18 25:15 38:9**  **63:2 77:9,21 108:17 184:10**  **233:17 241:17 253:2 254:8**  **269:5 300:16 303:18 313:8**  follows **109:4** food**25:17,21 28:10 44:10,11**  **58:19 69:1 87:11,13 122:1**  **145:13 146:14 162:15 201:21**  **216:21 228:9 244:20 245:19**  **265:8 266:15 267:8 268:6**  **274:11 281:15 282:2 292:2**  **295:6,15 296:13 301:8,9**  **301:10,13 304:1,4 321:4**  **336:15 337:17 337:20,21**  **338:18 339:6** foodgrade **73:21 216:17** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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pass **77:4 96:16 133:9 156:21**  **203:5 324:1** passage **346:11** passed **64:3 70:20 83:17**  **91:12,13 93:3 93:4,9 108:22**  **109:5 140:1 156:3 164:22**  **165:12 169:22 170:1 217:8**  **247:1 287:19 299:17 320:15**  **320:16 346:12** passenger **318:12** passion **70:21** passionate **99:6 312:5**  passive**20:22** patent **148:18** path **117:16 238:21**  pathway **111:10 303:9**  pattern**40:14** paul**2:8 6:22 230:21 231:4**  paullina **64:9** pause **36:17 77:19 107:4**  **124:2 141:19 157:14 172:13**  **191:9 206:3 280:5 315:16**  **315:20 353:2** pave**273:2** pawn **60:2** pay **60:15 86:22 151:15 186:16**  **187:15 268:10 332:18 338:9**  **338:11 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  **Page 404** paying **82:17 145:15 296:13**  **327:5 328:4** payments **60:19 61:11,16**  **143:15 145:3 199:17 270:15**  **271:9 291:11** payroll**296:12** pays **201:1 270:21 285:14**  **295:14** peak **126:6** ped **65:21** peerreviewed **316:17** penalize **76:1** penetration **221:22** people **19:4 52:14,16 63:16**  **63:21 69:16 78:21 79:22**  **82:8 84:17,18 87:18 91:22**  **92:1 99:5 100:17 101:16**  **102:3 103:14 103:21 106:16**  **106:17 115:17 122:19,20,22**  **123:2 127:5 130:5 131:3**  **134:22 136:15 143:4,21**  **145:13 152:7 153:12,14**  **160:9 164:3 173:1 178:13**  **178:18 179:3 199:22 200:16**  **200:18 201:1,3 206:21 207:3**  **234:16 238:1 245:2 254:19**  **259:2 263:9,19**

**264:8 266:15 275:22 278:4**  **279:14,15 281:13 287:14**  **298:16 299:20 310:14 325:21**  **326:3 334:17 336:14,19**  **337:21 343:13 343:22 349:6,8**  **349:11 350:10 352:10**  perceived **33:22 96:20 218:16**  **218:18 288:18** percent **15:2,6 15:10 19:17**  **20:6 22:2,4 31:1,3 37:14**  **38:16 41:3 49:16,21 50:1**  **50:18,21,22 60:18 73:1,4,4**  **79:11,13 83:12 84:21 91:1**  **93:7,8 108:9 109:10,17**  **112:5,7 113:5 120:14,15,22**  **125:16,18 128:10,12,13**  **132:11,13,18 133:4,5,20**  **134:18 136:22 141:6 145:10**  **145:17 156:8 162:9 171:1**  **172:22 173:4 174:14 176:5**  **177:15 183:19 183:20 186:12**  **187:18 188:19 189:10,16**  **191:18 192:3 200:16 201:19** 

**214:21,22 215:2,3 217:19**  **221:2 222:1 224:4,14,16,22**  **225:1,13 226:15 232:5**  **241:5 245:12 245:15 249:15**  **250:6,13,14,15 250:15 260:10**  **260:17 284:2,3 284:5 288:20**  **299:4 302:5,12 303:12,19**  **306:19,20 307:2 310:2,7**  **313:19 314:4 317:22 319:21**  **320:7 326:17 330:12 333:10**  **336:16 337:12** percentage **11:9 126:19 215:3**  **230:3 249:16 327:18**  percentages **174:14** perch **110:22 111:16**  perennial**28:19** perfect**294:22 347:2**  perform **148:7 193:22**  performance **52:1 56:3 189:19 213:6**  **241:7 256:5 284:7 333:16**  perilously **302:16** period **16:5** periods **65:3** permit **13:1 126:2 288:16** 

permitted **216:18** persistent **235:18** person **17:4,10 186:6 218:1**  **249:19 301:10 342:11 343:15**  personal **124:16 149:12 187:22**  **188:1 214:4 239:16 323:3**  **325:1 338:14 349:2**  personally **62:14 100:10 115:19**  **186:22 207:19 333:3**  personnel **17:4 150:5**  persons **16:12** perspective **31:16 128:7 226:21 301:11**  peru **146:7** pesticides **267:19** petrochemical **18:16 21:11** petroleum**31:13 31:17 32:16**  **43:5 49:22 50:2 51:9 63:4**  **74:20 75:5 111:9,16 112:5**  **115:8 117:13 117:18 118:2**  **124:9,12 132:2 132:4 156:2**  **175:14 176:14 217:21 218:5**  **218:10 224:14 224:16 225:7**  **225:20,20 239:2 260:11** 

**278:9 299:12 306:13 307:6**  **307:12 316:19 320:12 349:22**  petroleumbased **65:12** phase**218:2 248:14**  phaseout**218:7 279:12**  phases **233:15** phil **3:6 52:5,8** phillips **157:21 159:3**  phillipsburg **158:15 159:7 255:13,15**  phone **241:17 295:15**  phones **295:8** photograph **156:9,10** phrase**20:3** physical **34:21 239:21**  physically **134:16** pick **109:20 257:17 343:17**  **343:19** pickup **86:15 125:8 244:13**  picture **148:16 215:21**  piece **77:11 180:7 181:9**  pieces**215:6** pies **90:15** pik **145:3** pioneer**246:16 246:17,20**  **247:13,16 346:1**  pipefitter **123:3 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  **Page 405** pipeline **176:15 222:20 223:6**  pipelines **222:20** piping **127:1,2 133:2**  place **38:12 56:12 66:22**  **67:4 76:4 137:10,14**  **148:21 167:14 201:11 208:2**  **220:14 248:13 259:5,22**  **320:18 324:10 328:14 351:5**  **351:14,17 352:4**  placed **125:10** places **54:16 137:15 149:20**  placing **126:4** plain **165:10 276:1 342:14**  plains **161:9 175:16 216:18**  plainview **275:21** plan **39:9 59:19 124:18 154:18**  **184:7,10 190:8 190:15,22**  **320:17** planet **120:10 122:4,10**  **123:19 244:5** planets **213:7** plans **217:9,13 223:3 298:21**  plant**47:16,17 52:9 53:22**  **54:8 58:13,13 58:14 59:21**  **60:14 123:4 127:15 149:16**  **159:1,8,11 161:7,16,20** 

**168:10,12,14 168:14 200:22**  **209:2 210:9,11 211:6 212:20**  **213:2 232:6,11 245:6 253:15**  **258:15,19 272:6 275:21**  **277:13 280:12 280:19 283:13**  **284:1 285:4 289:12,14**  **290:14 295:9 295:13 296:22**  **297:1,20 298:8 308:22 311:11**  **323:13 324:4,9 324:11,19,21**  **337:12,13 340:3,7 342:6**  **343:4,10 344:15,18**  **347:1,3,5 348:21**  planted **58:6 90:21**  planters **84:15** planting **28:21 57:11 202:11**  plants **37:7,7 40:5,6 43:22**  **50:5 51:8 54:9 55:19,22 56:7**  **84:5,6 93:19 106:9 116:2**  **142:5 149:16 149:19 150:2**  **159:5,5 209:3 210:16 213:4**  **233:7,16 244:17 245:7**  **251:8 260:15 262:12,16,18**  **272:12 273:18 275:20 276:22** 

**277:5 292:11 293:13 295:10**  **322:17 342:17 344:4 345:10**  **346:17,17** plastics **244:21** plate**246:2 273:21**  platform **67:2** platte **116:16** play**44:10 93:6 102:19 117:3**  **311:1** played**24:10 191:17 316:22**  player**282:3** playing **117:1,3 192:5 350:22**  plays **211:8 270:4**  please **17:11,16 18:8 45:10**  **61:13 62:3 64:1 78:17**  **103:13 116:10 116:11 118:17**  **123:18,18,19 127:13,20**  **134:18 139:1 153:10,19**  **157:15 175:11 178:6 181:6**  **184:14 193:10 196:12 199:3**  **202:6 204:11 208:18,20,21**  **211:9,15 214:3 214:7,13 220:5**  **223:19 227:7 234:11 240:9**  **243:9 262:2 264:6,6,7,18**  **269:9 275:13 280:4 300:20**  **314:22 322:6**

**324:6 325:8 333:13,22**  **334:3** pleased **10:5 80:8 173:5**  plentiful**45:1** plenty **163:4,5 203:2**  plots **58:19** plowing **93:7** ploys **333:5** plus **167:19** pmaa **132:7,11 132:14 134:9**  pocketbooks **110:9 299:13** pockets **83:9** podliska **5:17 181:18,19,20**  **184:15** poet **199:11 200:22**  point**21:18 23:12 24:12**  **35:19 60:11 101:20 122:3**  **203:10,16,16 221:6 233:3**  **237:12,13 238:3,22 239:3**  **239:4 249:5 276:10 323:2**  **331:16 332:17 333:10 335:12**  points **128:6 165:20 221:8**  **232:12 265:14** poised**48:8 106:12 231:13**  **299:5** poisoned **85:11** poisoning **165:6** policies **227:16 249:9 250:10**  **256:12**

policy **10:7 29:16 30:13**  **48:10 49:8,11 60:2 72:18**  **77:12 89:15 91:12 93:10**  **102:22 113:17 116:6 117:16**  **134:17 140:21 142:9 163:14**  **165:10 192:16 216:7 226:8**  **241:18 251:15 256:20 268:8**  **268:11 285:11 285:11 289:20**  **307:13,22 348:4**  policymakers **73:12 91:5 284:19**  political **163:17 249:21 297:18**  politically **185:7** pollinator **58:21** pollute **164:9 267:22**  polluted **82:4** polluting **165:7** pollution **21:5 31:19 100:21**  pollutions **306:12** pool **319:19** poor **145:11,14 192:1 267:3,3**  **267:3 340:20** population **44:20 145:18 278:21 279:16**  populations **183:2** porter**6:4 196:12,12,13** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  **Page 406 196:15**  portfolio **81:11 282:9 285:8**  portion **23:13 37:22 199:11**  portland **70:17 71:6**  ports **59:10** pose **116:21 183:22 186:1**  position **91:9 196:3,8 220:11**  **306:9** positions **264:4 331:19**  positive**43:8 120:8 122:4**  **139:11 159:1 166:19 222:15**  **283:16 287:13 289:4 290:19**  **295:10 297:21 326:19**  positively **55:17** possibility **142:22** possible **28:19 73:6 195:21**  **198:6 211:7 228:11 262:17**  **298:15 332:9 345:2,3,5**  **351:18** possibly **156:8 181:4**  potential**21:15 40:2 136:3**  **137:5 138:21 148:8 152:9**  **263:3 285:17 316:20 317:14**  **318:1** potentially **134:11 252:14 253:19 305:17**  **305:21**

pottawatomie **27:7** poultry **90:12 322:15**  pounds **25:21 45:5 293:10**  **303:12** poverty **163:14** power**43:7 185:11,21**  **232:5 252:6 295:20**  powerful **149:2 281:6 282:10**  **297:21** powerhouse **90:18** ppm**223:3** practical**31:14 182:17 254:21**  practice **113:11 149:20 156:1**  practices **56:13 74:21 83:10**  **156:4 220:14 317:11**  prairie **158:14 255:14**  praises **298:16** preblended **133:20** precedent**20:9** precipitation **28:1 339:20,21** precisely**332:22** precision **259:22** precludes **155:2** predictable **248:12** predicted **317:17** predominant **129:22** predominantly **128:16**

prefer **132:12** preferred **189:12** prejudice **269:10** premature **189:3** premise**337:7** premium **152:19** prepared**282:22 289:16 322:22**  preparing **326:11** prepay**257:10** preschool**295:7** prescribe **154:15** prescribed **65:5 176:3 298:12**  present **157:8 239:11 279:15**  **286:10 307:21 316:5**  presentation **16:13 17:19** presently**215:6** preserve**21:13 22:22 39:15**  **244:5,8** preserving **213:7 266:20** president **19:2 39:20 48:20**  **55:14 58:1 60:3,7 67:18**  **74:9 88:11 94:16 96:17**  **102:18,21 119:1 135:6**  **139:8 146:22 202:17 227:9**  **237:2 252:1 258:9 284:14**  **297:7,20 301:6 312:1 318:22** 

presidents **20:20 31:10 307:18**  presiding **16:19** press **125:5 283:10**  pressure**242:1 242:17 279:4**  pressures **180:10** pretty **89:6 151:20 255:5**  **264:17 329:1 336:9 338:16**  prevalent **186:3 188:3**  prevent **149:15 169:19 176:4**  **184:5 321:7** preventing **86:21** prevents**29:19 76:7 237:17**  previous **18:5 37:11 119:2**  **187:19** previously**239:7** prey **110:21** price**44:18 51:3 60:9 64:22**  **65:9,12,15 68:11 70:5**  **79:5 82:15 87:9,12,13**  **108:19 110:1 125:18 138:5**  **159:2 163:6 177:5 183:6**  **186:16 187:15 197:19,19**  **198:3 225:7 251:14 253:11**  **266:16,19 276:9,12**  **283:14 294:9 303:22 327:4** 

**331:14 338:12 338:16 343:7**  priced **125:11 127:17**  prices **35:3 38:3 40:17 41:7**  **45:12,16 57:15 59:6 60:16**  **62:15 65:2,3 66:11 68:9**  **71:12 72:12 76:19 77:9**  **84:13 97:13,18 133:8 134:13**  **142:15,16 161:9 163:11**  **164:8 165:20 170:5 176:9,9**  **180:11,13 196:20 199:18**  **201:19,21 207:11 209:12**  **212:2 225:20 225:21 226:20**  **238:19 245:8 251:12 253:7**  **266:10,12 267:7 270:8,10**  **271:7 274:22 277:2 283:14**  **288:4 291:9,10 302:13,14**  **329:12,13 336:8 337:17**  **337:20 338:3 338:18 339:1**  **340:20 341:8 343:7 346:5,21**  **347:3** pricing **130:5 183:4 234:4**  **313:3** pride**49:11 71:20 115:22** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  **Page 407 125:2 126:12**  **194:21 206:21** primarily **132:17 158:4 158:11 162:1**  **287:20 301:8 317:18**  primary **173:6 287:17 289:19**  **342:10** prime**41:19,22** principal**220:8 316:12**  prior **17:17 100:17 137:16**  **259:5 310:4 313:15 334:12**  priority **162:4** private**41:17 92:3**  privately **150:19** privilege **348:13** privileged **213:22** probably **101:19 138:16 156:9**  **160:7 336:7 337:18 340:15**  **351:11** problem **347:8 347:20**  problems **122:11 164:12 310:14**  proceed **18:21 57:21 62:3**  **78:3,13,17 136:12 220:5**  **223:20 227:7 240:10 243:15**  **248:20 269:9 334:6**  process **10:10 18:1 46:17**  **50:19 216:21 232:5 233:4** 

**248:19 311:14** processes **260:13 307:8** processing **47:16 216:17 216:22 225:9**  **284:4,6 293:14 343:1**  processors **46:10** proclamation **156:6** procurement **135:22** produce**24:14 35:12 37:17**  **44:1,5 47:14 54:1 57:7**  **59:17 63:12 65:4 95:19,21**  **98:12 99:13 101:16 103:6**  **105:16 109:13 143:6 159:5**  **167:12 203:2 207:18 213:16**  **217:1 219:4 225:6 230:2**  **244:20 245:19 246:2 263:5,6**  **273:21 275:8 277:5 283:11**  **287:21 292:16 292:17 311:9**  **311:11,15 335:13**  produced **14:17 15:1 23:20**  **34:20 37:5 44:2 49:16,19**  **50:1 56:6 90:21 94:8**  **106:8 108:7,11 119:16 142:7**  **151:5 226:5,6**

**248:11 251:11 263:16 283:18**  **287:2 288:2 309:2,16 320:2**  **351:9** producer**43:20 48:22 49:12**  **104:21 115:4 122:17 213:2**  **237:21 285:17 322:14,15**  **326:1 339:8,9** producers **20:17 27:20 28:20**  **32:14 33:19 38:12 45:3**  **98:6,7 103:7 104:18 105:15**  **105:15,19 106:6,6 119:12**  **130:13 151:3 155:1,2 164:6**  **166:18 167:16 168:3 184:13**  **216:8 234:1,16 237:16,17,20**  **247:3 261:6 281:15 283:12**  **284:22 287:8 289:21 290:20**  **291:3 292:15 309:10 311:2**  **325:18 328:14** produces **180:18 232:7 259:8**  producing**24:12 28:16 37:3**  **40:3 86:1 158:2 213:12**  **282:1 289:17 293:8**  product **19:17 44:7 71:4,21**  **95:1 101:21 119:19 120:22** 

**121:1 126:11 126:18,21**  **136:7 150:5 172:20 202:20**  **215:2 226:9 239:8 241:13**  **242:8,10 245:18 263:5,6**  **340:9 342:19 342:21**  production **12:13 13:17 14:9,13 15:10**  **20:15 24:20 26:2,10 28:4**  **39:9 40:13 44:10 47:6,10**  **48:2,8 50:7,12 50:16,18,21,22**  **60:10 62:15 63:10 66:18**  **68:7,8,12 70:6 71:12 74:16,20**  **74:22 79:9 92:4 102:2**  **103:10 108:4,7 108:10,18,19**  **119:20 129:16 142:8 143:9,11**  **153:1 154:6 155:4 159:16**  **159:18 161:10 162:2,8 164:2**  **164:18 166:3 166:15 167:15**  **168:7 176:15 182:16,18**  **189:8 201:17 203:1 207:3,15**  **212:16 216:16 224:10 225:9**  **225:19 226:18 227:19 228:2,3**  **229:1,3,7,19 232:4 237:18** 

**245:2 247:18 248:5 251:14**  **261:22 266:9 266:13 267:12**  **267:20 268:4 268:12,18**  **270:18 274:8 276:15 277:16**  **277:18,21 278:2 281:1,4**  **282:16 283:1 287:4,11 288:8**  **291:10,15,17 291:18,22**  **292:4,10,12 293:12 294:12**  **294:21 295:16 298:10,18**  **299:19 303:11 305:11,12**  **306:3 307:7 311:10 317:13**  **318:15 319:2,6 321:12 325:16**  **335:1 337:14** productive **167:5** productivity **260:6** products **60:2 81:7 115:8**  **141:3 147:17 149:14 163:16**  **186:22 199:10 213:12 227:13**  **244:20 247:17 257:22 271:2**  **278:9 281:3 319:1 327:18**  **340:3** professional **294:4** professions **160:8 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  **Page 408** professor **334:20** professors **335:5** profile **128:9** profit**72:8 276:18 285:17**  **291:17 339:3** profitability **159:13 164:16** profitable **266:20 267:1 274:2**  profitdriven **286:4** profited**274:5** profits **238:10 238:12 274:2**  **274:12** profoundly **175:19 287:13** program **1:3 11:4 14:3,4**  **15:14 21:3 26:9,21 29:22**  **30:12,17 33:14 33:14 34:10**  **46:6 57:2 143:15 155:7**  **158:7 165:1 172:17 174:22**  **175:7 176:7 177:17 183:16**  **198:6,8 208:1 226:4 229:16**  **230:5 239:7 261:4 270:15**  **271:9 293:1 316:7**  programs**45:15 45:18 67:22**  **75:21 163:15 169:12 250:19**  **251:2 282:11** progress**42:4 72:19 85:5,16**  **98:2 101:4**

**103:3 113:10 120:12 136:18**  **169:15 192:17 259:6 314:12**  prohibit**237:19** prohibited **98:10 188:20** prohibitions **155:20** prohibitive **127:3 133:11** project**54:1 115:20 229:3**  **233:14,15** projected **12:11 18:3 38:8**  **229:9 292:6,13** projection**23:20** projections **12:12 22:8 37:15 177:7**  **254:20** projects **138:3 233:4,19 234:2**  **298:22 299:1** promise**98:14 161:13 179:16**  **196:22 281:18 323:15**  promised **265:16 266:7 275:6**  promising **265:22** promote**21:3 22:9 26:5,10**  **30:20 56:20 104:17 139:10**  **141:10 248:2 267:8 309:9,15**  promoted **140:18 212:21 241:2**  promotes**43:17** promoting

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reynolds **79:19 88:5**  rfs **14:3,4 15:21 19:19 20:9,18**  **22:12 25:4 26:21 27:12,15**  **27:18 29:19 31:9 33:11,13**  **33:22 34:9 35:16 39:12,15**  **42:13 43:18 44:3 45:8,16**  **46:5 48:7 49:6 49:12 61:16**  **62:12 63:3 64:3 65:5**  **66:14 68:4 70:1 71:13,17**  **71:22 72:4,5 72:17,22 73:3**  **73:7,12 74:14 75:3,14 77:6**  **79:4 80:5 81:21 83:17**  **86:5 88:13,17 94:3,7 95:12**  **95:13,15,15 98:5,19 103:17**  **103:19 106:17 108:21 109:4**  **110:4,6,12 114:7 115:5,18**  **116:12,12 117:4,7 118:5**  **118:18,18 121:5,7,16**  **122:18,20 123:7,10,11,19**  **123:19 127:22 134:15 135:15**  **135:17 136:3 136:18 137:10**  **138:20 140:2 140:12,19,20**  **141:10 142:9**

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**312:21** solid**231:9 281:19**  solution **48:10 201:11 232:12**  **249:7 278:6 346:14 348:9**  solutions **41:18 114:3 147:1**  **149:9 150:7 237:5 246:21**  **254:3 301:6 346:3**  solve **116:5 164:11**  solved **116:4** somebody**92:11 327:20**  somewhat **345:20** son **62:16 73:19 74:1 158:1**  **160:14 277:15 279:11 323:19**  sons **73:20 119:3 142:3 259:3**  **269:22 334:11** soon **61:7 63:20 78:3 131:7**  **192:7 293:11** sooner**286:14 327:19**  sorely**65:17** sorghum **67:12 73:22 158:4,7**  **159:3,4 216:21 319:1**  sorry **135:16 153:17 196:4**  **240:3 243:14 330:17 331:21**  **344:1** sorts **90:15** sought**46:16** sound **57:18**

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**104:20 105:12 107:15 180:11**  **207:16 229:7 302:21 303:11**  **303:12,14,17 303:22 304:1**  soybeans **44:6 44:19 46:17**  **58:11 67:12 73:21,22 81:6**  **81:18 90:11 105:14 108:16**  **191:13 202:11 243:18**  span **120:7** spartan **268:22** speak **17:12 46:3 57:20**  **62:10 64:12 77:22 96:2**  **100:6 104:5 106:5,11**  **121:21 139:14 149:10 160:13**  **202:18 237:8 249:2 271:22**  **272:2 277:10 329:7,8**  speaker**24:2 171:19 286:15**  **334:2 348:19** speaking **33:9 119:6 211:18**  speaks **96:2 179:6 253:19**  special**3:17 101:5 236:4**  **268:16** specialized **215:9 247:17** specialty**227:12 343:6**  specific **93:11 144:17 170:2**  **260:1**

specifically **11:16 13:4 14:10 29:10**  **32:17 100:21 109:14 176:4**  **190:20 213:12 214:22 233:10**  **296:21 302:21 317:7 331:18**  specifics **118:6** specified **12:6 13:8 110:6**  specify **12:16 330:18**  spectacular**47:3** speculation **176:10** speedway **331:6 331:18**  spencer**240:19** spend **63:19 72:9 146:1**  **295:13 330:7** spending **271:10 298:4**  spent **155:8,10 240:22 274:12**  **280:13 290:17 297:15**  spewing **80:14** spike **163:11** spills **85:13** spinach **266:21** spirit**252:18 254:9**  spoke **107:18 276:2 329:5**  spoken **17:10 165:18 350:9**  sports **198:11** spot**330:18** spout **145:13** spouted **151:7** spread **65:21 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

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**21:2,19 27:10 38:6 39:4 71:7**  **79:4,16 80:4 81:10 83:16**  **87:17 88:2,9 88:17 90:14**  **96:3 105:2 111:6,14**  **113:19 114:7 116:17 119:7**  **121:14 139:16 148:21 149:11**  **152:3 159:18 168:7 169:22**  **171:2 206:7 209:5 211:19**  **212:19 220:19 222:3,6 223:3**  **223:5 237:9 250:4 261:20**  **265:7 277:11 277:22 278:5**  **279:9 289:3 301:12 316:7**  **316:12,14,22 318:14 326:7**  standards **1:2 11:3 12:5**  **13:10 14:7,14 67:17 93:11**  **131:4 159:19 171:9 174:3,13**  **174:18 175:1 179:11 182:22**  **192:4 222:8 223:8 238:21**  **246:1 287:16 304:18 305:4**  **316:7 318:16** standing **119:10 171:18**  standpoint **326:22** stands **140:4 187:10** 

star**240:15 268:3**  starch**262:17** starches **335:19** stark **151:6 256:2**  start**30:10 78:16 107:12**  **146:3 217:3 219:18 222:5**  **226:4 341:3 345:10**  started **61:7 62:16,18 79:9**  **92:14 115:8,19 122:7 124:22**  **125:19 141:21 147:6 161:8**  **171:5 211:8 213:12 214:20**  **219:21 244:6 247:13 256:7**  **270:17 272:5 287:5 296:20**  **310:18 344:13 344:16,17**  **346:6** starting**25:9 65:18 122:2**  **136:17 243:21** starts**233:2** startup **124:17 213:14**  state **17:16 19:15 43:8**  **51:15 56:22 72:14 74:6**  **78:10,12 79:2 79:11 81:1**  **82:12 86:3 87:18 89:1,21**  **90:7,10 91:17 93:18 96:6**  **97:3 98:8 108:6 120:21** 

**124:11 126:4 133:16 135:10**  **142:17 152:15 154:5,22**  **168:10 169:1 169:12,18**  **175:17 176:2 184:12 191:18**  **192:7 200:15 200:18,20,21**  **201:5 204:18 205:13 207:22**  **211:5 216:3 235:3 237:14**  **242:6 250:18 258:21 264:5**  **268:22 270:18 281:10 308:5**  **326:3 327:8 329:19**  stated **37:20 137:7 139:19**  **159:15,19 177:3,9**  statement **17:1 17:17 32:1**  **147:12 154:16 183:17 322:19**  **323:1 325:1** statements **16:20 17:21** stateoftheart **108:13 308:18** states **10:7 24:9 37:7 38:16**  **40:6 43:22 51:6,6 53:15**  **53:17,19 68:1 71:18 75:7**  **84:7 85:22 86:10 90:19**  **92:12 102:17 115:3 124:14**  **128:11 135:14 142:19 145:5** 

**147:4 153:7 159:16 172:19**  **179:14 181:12 184:3,21**  **189:17 192:19 195:10 198:3**  **198:22 217:2,4 217:7,17 218:2**  **220:22 231:6 235:6 250:5**  **251:4 261:5 266:18 322:17**  **330:10 332:14 333:11 342:16**  **350:6** statewide **265:11** station **82:15 125:3,10 126:6**  **126:17 132:9 133:1 135:22**  **169:16 187:1 190:3 196:21**  **197:2,12 198:19 236:13**  **240:21 256:15 309:3,14 310:5**  stationed**297:16** stations **56:17 75:20 76:8,10**  **76:12 124:19 125:4,4 126:12**  **126:14 131:17 133:7 135:1,13**  **136:21 137:1,3 138:1 163:7**  **169:4 172:22 183:1 190:1**  **192:7,9 238:15 240:17,18**  **242:10 245:12 250:12 256:11**  **256:22 257:1 270:1 314:10** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**192:15 214:9 235:12 246:2**  **251:3 252:20 273:20**  stepping **60:11 92:2**  steps **154:19 244:5 251:15**  steve**4:11 6:17 124:7,8 220:4**  **220:7** stewards **58:22 259:21**  stewardship **165:10** stick **172:3 203:13 344:19**  **344:20** sticker **190:8** stimulate**93:12 179:12 306:8**  stimulating **179:19 318:15** stock **177:3** stockholder **124:9,16 159:7** stockman**27:6** stockpile **19:11** stocks **34:18 35:2 36:8**  **303:15** stookey**4:15 139:5,6,7**  stop **30:2 93:7,8 156:4 289:19**  **306:14** stopped **125:14** stopping **319:20** storage **60:9,19 112:3**  store**28:21 60:13 128:14**  **128:16,16 132:3,10 133:3**  **308:12 312:7**

**332:6 337:22 338:1,7 343:12**  **343:15 344:1,2** stored**46:22 267:14**  stores **128:3,10 128:13,13**  **133:7 135:2 236:10 331:8**  **331:10,19 332:9,10**  stories **71:19** storm**240:18** story**40:16 146:6 196:14**  **274:9 289:11 293:17 309:21**  **323:3 325:6 343:5 344:5,8**  **344:8,9,10** stover **153:2 232:2**  stp **332:20** straight **152:18** straightly**94:11 94:12,19,19**  straightup **180:7** strain**271:9** strand**299:4** stranglehold **29:12 63:4** strapped **341:11** strategic**227:15 298:21**  strategies **167:18** strategy **102:18 164:12**  straw**232:2** stray **108:21** streamline **18:1** streams **195:20** street **125:18 243:8 249:19**  strength **66:4**

**164:1 206:21 207:6,12**  **282:15** strengthen **30:16 42:16 121:19 208:3**  **248:2** strengthening **300:3** stress **84:11 275:2**  strict**203:7** strides **250:18** strike **16:20** stringency**23:4** strive**210:14,17 213:6**  strived**259:20** strong**28:3 31:8 39:15 40:22**  **57:18 73:9 88:16 98:15**  **109:4 114:7 119:10 121:16**  **158:8 188:16 206:18 207:8**  **207:12 209:7 211:8 231:22**  **247:11,20 306:10 309:9**  **312:14** stronger**48:10 48:11 99:14**  **190:14 211:22 241:8 306:8**  strongly**33:1 121:5 159:17**  **159:19 173:17 183:8 190:18**  **229:9** struck**20:3** structural **178:1 237:6**  structure**239:3** struggling **63:21**

stuck **145:16 205:18**  student **323:9** students **63:21 210:19 296:11**  **345:14** studied **120:16** studies **87:3 112:13**  study **148:4,9,15 177:2 188:22**  **227:21 228:14 230:11 258:21**  **343:6** stuff **133:17 333:6**  stymie**284:21** subgrade **313:20** subject**279:13 293:2**  subjectivity **239:9** submission **16:16** submissions **16:14** submit **16:6 18:8 27:9**  **248:16 265:5** submitted **74:10 132:6 208:6**  **227:21** submitting **128:4 157:7 191:2 230:12**  **239:12 307:22** subsidies **285:15** subsidized **145:6 146:4 165:5 265:18**  **267:2** subsidy **199:17 201:6 236:5,6**  **291:11,14 Public Hearing**  **June 25, 2015 Kansas City, KS** 

**1-800-FOR-DEPO Alderson Reporting Company**  **Page 421** substantial **37:11 124:15 136:20 191:3**  **219:10 225:15 297:11 318:14**  substantially **15:5 284:9 304:3 317:15**  substantiated **132:22** succeed**20:18 155:7 217:11**  success **33:12 40:16 72:5**  **85:6 136:19 141:7 152:4**  **170:6 220:20 220:22 226:3**  **231:20 232:3 272:14 281:22**  **282:13 285:12 293:17 342:15**  **344:5,8,8,9,10 344:21**  successful**26:21 46:5 140:21**  **142:9 165:1 217:9 218:6**  **220:15 261:4 270:4 289:15**  **292:21 311:1** successfully **151:3 329:16** succumb **323:4** sudan **146:6** sudden **340:9** sue **5:7 160:2** suffered **60:17 174:8**  suffering **289:7** sufficient**42:8** sufficiently **13:12** sugarcane**22:18 26:6 38:5**  sulfur**221:18**

summarize **128:6 134:8 228:14**  summary **181:10** summer**241:10 242:2,15,18,21**  **249:13,17,22 250:4 296:11**  **324:7** sunlight **336:2** supersede **164:21** supplement **278:12** supplemental **16:16** supplied **124:20** supplier **149:9 159:10 241:21**  **246:17** suppliers **124:13 212:14**  supplies **135:9 230:13 267:22**  **278:2 292:14 307:11**  supply **11:19 20:13,14,16**  **22:1,6,20 28:10 34:12,13**  **34:16,21 35:1 35:11,15 41:2**  **59:4 65:1 66:14 73:1**  **75:16 87:8 96:4,8 101:11**  **109:11 111:21 112:17 113:6**  **129:12,16 141:1 144:15**  **144:17,20,22 164:9 166:21**  **167:3,13 173:2 173:17 176:6** 

**178:9 182:12 189:11 190:21**  **191:19 197:18 209:8,9 211:11**  **217:20 218:3 218:17,19**  **228:7,12 229:3 229:8 278:1**  **288:12 300:4 313:19 314:3,4**  **319:9,13,14 320:2,10**  **321:13 330:21 336:12 337:7**  **337:11** supplying **203:1** support**25:11 25:15 29:16**  **33:2 37:8 38:21 39:1**  **40:6 44:14 60:9 77:11**  **80:3 88:13 99:1 114:6,7**  **116:10,12,17 118:17 119:6**  **121:5,13,16 123:18,18,19**  **129:9 131:18 134:9 149:10**  **155:11 163:16 166:7 168:6**  **171:18 175:20 179:10 181:11**  **193:14,17 194:17 195:4,5**  **198:17 207:8 208:18,20**  **209:4,7 210:17 210:21 211:19**  **211:22 214:7 268:8,16**  **270:18 282:19 292:18 312:22**  **321:11 324:13**

**329:13 331:3** supported **54:1 54:4 88:7**  **97:20 167:14 172:21 212:14**  **263:17 296:9 305:13,14**  supporter **80:16 231:16**  supporters **30:19** supporting **43:21 69:10 75:6 88:8**  **106:16,17 162:2 180:5**  **188:14 194:12 195:17 290:6**  supports **27:11 27:15 43:16**  **44:21 53:12 97:13,18**  **119:11 120:1 121:1,3,4**  **132:7,14 134:12 142:11**  **174:16 180:4 204:19 216:7**  **235:8 270:21 291:22 292:19**  **293:3 343:4** supposed **61:18 76:5 197:11**  **198:10 321:19 332:19**  sure **94:12 97:1 105:7 217:11**  **218:5 239:19 252:3 273:12**  **289:10** surely **118:1 121:4**  surface**234:8** surpass **262:4** surpasses **110:4**

surplus **26:1 35:11 251:12**  surplusdriven **179:22** surprise **118:12** surprising **95:6** surrounding **158:3 159:3 210:20**  survey**38:10 222:12**  survive**264:14 333:8 341:18**  survivor **313:14** sustain **113:10 328:12**  sustainability **147:2 207:6** sustainable **56:9 68:17 115:2,7**  **122:15 147:14 147:18 206:18**  **207:13 208:13 211:11 212:17**  **268:17 284:12 291:16 294:17**  **296:6** sustainably **162:14 266:20** sustaining **120:10** sustains **295:17** swim **196:2,6** swimming **195:19** swine **65:21** switch **241:8** switched **256:16** switchgrass **153:2** system**63:5 166:22 167:5**  **167:14 177:4 184:1 222:20** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**337:21,22 348:14,16**  talked **86:14 100:10 171:20**  **281:4 327:3 334:21 335:18**  talking **52:18 90:4 91:5,13**  **96:8,14,15 102:9 156:12**  **171:5 192:21 265:14 323:2**  **343:9** tanderup **7:6 231:1 243:12**  **243:12,16,17** tank **127:2** tanks **76:15 126:3 127:1**  **133:2 186:14 187:5,9**  target **13:16 45:8,15 102:9**  **254:6,14** targeted **13:11 224:7**  targets **13:8,21 13:22 15:6**  **20:22 27:11,11 27:13 28:10,14**  **29:17 38:4 40:10 93:1,4**  **94:3,8 96:10 96:20 98:5,19**  **117:2 118:10 118:12,12,14**  **154:12 254:17 271:14 306:7**  tariff**41:11** tarkio **202:9** task**68:22 220:11 263:14**  tax**38:12 131:12 142:17 180:4**  **281:9 282:14**

**286:21 305:16** taxes**200:21,22 201:1 204:21**  **204:22 237:14 270:22 295:8**  taxpayer**201:12** taxpayers **143:14 270:14 271:13 291:12**  taylor **8:13 300:17 308:3**  teachers**281:16** team **10:13,16 10:20 299:18**  teams **10:9 194:11**  tear **142:11** tech **180:1** technical**21:21 220:9 221:10**  **223:10 227:5 249:20 263:9**  **263:10** technological **119:13** technologies **114:5 120:20 122:3,10**  **140:15 219:7 248:15 259:22**  **271:10 274:3 274:13 292:10**  **298:22 307:9 317:3,12**  technology **56:10 81:5 83:3 105:14**  **115:6,10,21 116:1,4 150:6**  **166:16 225:9 231:7 232:6**  **233:4 247:14 262:18 271:5**  **298:15 317:5 348:2** 

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**222:16 333:4** testified **80:4 342:12**  testify **17:3 18:7 18:11,12 19:5**  **21:6 73:14 80:3 146:20**  **157:20 159:21 304:18 308:14**  **327:10 334:3 345:18**  testifying **99:1 102:4 114:6**  **116:17 121:13 172:11 211:19**  **240:13** testimonies **198:18** testimony **11:1 16:16 17:3,5**  **17:14,16,20 18:6,10 27:9**  **41:6 55:3 77:18 128:4**  **131:19 153:11 159:22 167:21**  **171:5 191:4 196:10 202:4**  **205:22 211:14 219:16 248:18**  **251:20 252:10 269:11 286:10**  **286:14 297:10 300:8 304:9**  **310:21 311:19 328:17 333:19**  **333:21 341:21 342:3 345:20**  **349:7,8 353:4** texaco **126:15** texacobranded **125:4** texas**216:18 272:15 331:10** **Public Hearing June 25, 2015**  **Kansas City, KS**

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**337:8 338:22 348:5**  2006 **37:4 52:11 262:10**  2007 **52:15 61:17 74:16**  **115:20 118:5 166:2 169:21**  **198:15,21 205:18 217:15**  **247:1 249:4 260:3 265:17**  **270:10 271:3 273:17 306:5**  **319:4 330:15** 2008 **64:20 117:9 124:15**  **126:6 138:14 201:20 231:22**  **267:10 333:9 339:12**  2009**43:11 213:11 271:8**  200plus **289:11** 2010 **23:16 65:19 85:12**  **126:7 168:13 226:4 239:3**  2011 **184:4 188:22 200:19**  **221:2 225:10 267:10 284:15**  2012 **12:16 54:7 65:1 68:7**  **87:10 112:8 183:19 189:10**  **212:20 213:12 258:21 296:8**  **308:17 328:7 329:22 333:9**  **337:22 339:12 349:21 350:9**  **350:17** 2013 **12:15 23:11,16,21** 

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