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1 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 

2 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2014, 2015, AND 2016 STANDARDS 

3 FOR THE RENEWABLE FUEL STANDARD PROGRAM 

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1 PARTICIPANTS 

2 EPA MEMBERS: 

3 CHRISTOPHER GRUNDLER, Chair 

4 WARD BURNS 

5 ALEX CHEN 

6 ROLAND DUBOIS 

7 DAVID KOROTNEY 

8 PAUL MACHIELE 

9 JONATHAN MEYER 

10 LAUREN REID 

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13 BRIAN JENNINGS 

14 TIM HOGAN 

15 BOB HENRY 

16 DONN TESKE 

17 ANNE STECKEL 

18 JEFF COOPER 

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21 KENT ENGELBRECHT 

22 CRAIG WILLIS 

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1 PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED) 

2 PANEL 3 (CONTINUED): 

3 GRANT KIMBERLEY 

4 RON MARR 

5 GARY HAER 

6 PHIL ABELS 

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8 PANEL 5: 

9 BOB HEMESATH 

10 JERRY MOHR 

11 ROGER ZYLSTRA 

12 BRUCE ROHWER 

13 CHIP BOWLING 

14 JEFF SANDBORN 

15 MARTIN BARBRE 

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17 SPECIAL PANEL: 

18 TERRY BRANSTAD, Governor of Iowa 

19 JAY NIXON, Governor of Missouri 

20 BILL NORTHEY, Iowa Secretary of Agriculture 

21 RICHARD FORDYCE, Missouri Director of Agriculture 

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2 PANEL 7: 

3 CHARLES NORRIS 

4 TIMOTHY J. RUDNICKI 

5 JANINE LIN 

6 JEFF FALLER 

7 ABBY BERTZ 

8 LAURA WILLIS 

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11 STEVE WILCOX 

12 PAIGE ANDERSON 

13 RON LEONE 

14 TODD GARNER 

15 RANDY STOOKEY 

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18 CONRAD CLEMENT 

19 RICK SCHWARCK 

20 NATHAN VANDER GRIEND 

21 KEVIN ROSS 

22 ROB HERBON 

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1 PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED) 

2 PANEL 11 (CONTINUED): 

3 TODD SNELLER 

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6 BILL GREVING 

7 SUE SCHULTE 

8 GLENN CALDWELL 

9 JOSEPH SISK 

10 LYNNE HOOT 

11 TOM KOEHLER 

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13 PANEL 15: 

14 ROBERT ANDERSON 

15 BRIAN CARRON 

16 JEREMY OSTRANDER 

17 RICK PODLISKA 

18 WILLIAM KEMPKER 

19 MICHAEL LEWAN 

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22 JERRY DEMMER 
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1 PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED) 

2 PANEL 17 (CONTINUED): 

3 BRYAN SOWERS 

4 GARY PORTER 

5 JAY SCHUTTE 

6 KEVIN HURST 

7 MORRIS HEITMAN 

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10 KIM BERTZ 

11 KYLE NIXON 

12 ANDY WILLIAMS 

13 MICHAEL BERNICH 

14 DON GALES 

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17 STEVE HOWELL 

18 DAVID DERAMUS 

19 ANDREA KAVALER 

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22 PAUL KAMP 

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2 PANEL 23 (CONTINUED): 

3 JEFF GLENDENING 

4 BOB NEUFELD 

5 JASON STAUFFER 

6 ART TANDERUP 

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8 PANEL 25: 

9 DOUG DOLLISON 

10 DARIN SCHLAPIA 

11 JERROD KITT 

12 DENIS W. MILLER 

13 KEITH ALVERSON 

14 ERIN WILCOX 

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16 PANEL 27: 

17 MELISSA VATTEROTT 

18 MIKE DANIELSKI 

19 LOREN CLAUSSEN 

20 MARVIN STECH 

21 ROBERT BRUMMELS 

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1 PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED) 

2 PANEL 29: 

3 CHARLIE HUGHES 

4 SCOTT BURKDOLL 

5 KEVIN MOBLEY 

6 JOEL ECKELMAN 

7 TOM LEITNAKER 

8 JEFF OESTMANN 

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11 BILL LAPP 

12 ALLEN RIDER 

13 TAYLOR NELSON 

14 DAVE BIERMAN 

15 CHERYL WORTH 

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18 IRIS CALDWELL 

19 CHARLIE WILSON 

20 ALAN BRINKER 

21 DON VAN HOUWELING 

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3 GUY MILLS 

4 ARTHUR MADDEN 

5 DAVID KOLSRUD 

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Good morning, everyone. Welcome. 

3 My name is Chris Grundler, and I'm the Director of 

4 EPA's Office of Transportation and Air Quality. 

5 We are very pleased to be in Kansas City today to 

6 hear your views on what is a very important and 

7 consequential public policy for the United States. 

8 Chairing these hearings and hearing directly from 

9 citizens is among my and my team's highest 

10 responsibilities. We take this process very, very 

11 seriously, and we are very interested in hearing your 

12 views today. And we're grateful that you're here. 

13 So with me today are senior members of my team who 

14 will participate in the panels in both hearing rooms 

15 today. I also want to express my tremendous gratitude 

16 for our team in Kansas City at our regional office, 

17 Region 7, and my colleague Becky Weber, who is going to 

18 be chairing the second panel. She's the Director of 

19 our Air and Waste Management Division here, and she and 

20 her team have been just instrumental. We could not 

21 have pulled off this hearing with this amount of 

22 interest without their help. 

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1 We'll be hearing testimony today on what we call a 

2 Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for the 2014, '15, and 

3 '16 standards under the Renewable Fuel Standard 

4 Program, as well as the required volume for biomass5 based diesel in 2017. 

6 The NPRM, as we call it, was signed by our 

7 Administrator on May 29th and was published on June 

8 10th. The NPRM proposes both the volume requirements 

9 and the corresponding percentage standard for four 

10 different categories of renewable fuel -- cellulosic 

11 biofuel, biomass-based diesel, advanced biofuel, and 

12 total renewable fuel for 2014, '15, and '16. And it 

13 also proposes the 2017 volume requirement for biomass14 based diesel. 

15 We're interested in comments on all aspects of the 

16 proposed rulemaking, and we specifically ask 

17 stakeholders to provide us relevant and up-to-date data 

18 and analysis on the many issues discussed in the 

19 proposal concerning the supply of renewable fuels. 

20 We're looking forward to continued engagement with all 

21 of the stakeholders as we work very closely with our 

22 colleagues at the Departments of Agriculture and Energy 

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1 toward the development of a final rule. 

2 I'd like to give everyone here a brief background 

3 to set the context for the discussion today. Under the 

4 Clean Air Act, EPA is required to determine the 

5 renewable fuel standards each year. While Congress 

6 specified volumes for each year for all four categories 

7 of fuel, Congress also provided the authority to EPA to 

8 change those volume requirements under certain 

9 conditions. 

10 The cellulosic biofuel standard must be based on 

11 the volume projected to be available using the Energy 

12 Information Administration's projections and 

13 assessments of production capability. 

14 The applicable volume of biomass-based diesel must 

15 be determined for 2013 and beyond, as the statute did 

16 not specify the volumes for years after 2012. The 

17 biomass-based diesel volume requirement can be no lower 

18 than 1 billion gallons, but it can be higher following 

19 an analysis of a number of factors listed in the 

20 statute. 

21 With regard to advanced biofuel and total 

22 renewable fuel, the statute provides several waiver 

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1 authorities that permit reductions in the required 

2 volumes under certain circumstances, and we believe 

3 those circumstances are upon us. 

4 More specifically, due to the fact that cellulosic 

5 biofuel has not come online as fast as we all hoped, 

6 coupled with the current constraints in the fuel market 

7 to accommodate increasing volumes of ethanol, the 

8 volume targets specified by Congress in the Clean Air 

9 Act for '14, '15, and '16 cannot be achieved. 

10 Simply setting the standards at the levels 

11 targeted by Congress and trusting that this will 

12 sufficiently incentivize the market to achieve the 

13 mandates for 2016 we think is irresponsible and would 

14 have significant negative impacts, including widespread 

15 noncompliance. 

16 The gap between the volume target in the statute 

17 and the actual level of cellulosic production is simply 

18 too big, on the order of 4 billion gallons. And this 

19 gap cannot be closed in the next 12 to 18 months. 

20 At the same time, we recognize that the statutory 

21 volume targets were intended to be ambitious. Congress 

22 set targets envisioning growth at a pace that far 
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1 exceeded historical growth rates. Congress intended 

2 that this fuel market will change, and they intended 

3 that the RFS program to incentivize these changes that 

4 would not happen absent the RFS program. 

5 So while we are proposing to use the tools 

6 provided by Congress to reduce the annual volumes below 

7 the statutory levels, we are proposing standards that 

8 are consistent with Congress' clear goal of increasing 

9 renewable fuel production and use over time. The 

10 proposal has been specifically designed to overcome the 

11 so-called E10 blend wall. 

12 The proposed volumes would require significant 

13 growth in production and use over historical levels. 

14 We believe the proposed standards to be ambitious, but 

15 within reach of a responsive marketplace. How 

16 ambitious are they? With respect to cellulosic 

17 biofuels, the proposal would increase what was produced 

18 in 2014 by six times. As for total renewable fuels, 

19 this proposal seeks to increase that number by 1.5 

20 billion. 

21 Let me say that again. This proposal increases 

22 the total renewable fuel volume by 1.5 -- nearly 1.5 

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1 billion gallons over what was produced last year. 

2 That's a 9 percent increase. 

3 For advanced biofuels, these are the fuels that 

4 provide the greatest emission reductions and what 

5 Congress intended to grow substantially. This proposal 

6 seeks to increase those targets by 27 percent over 

7 2014. 

8 Let me say that again. This proposal would 

9 increase advanced fuels by 700 million gallons over 

10 production from last year, a 27 percent increase. And 

11 for biodiesel, our proposal would increase year over 

12 year up to 1.9 billion gallons in 2017. 

13 Let me also say that we know how important this 

14 program is to many of you. It is also very important 

15 to our agency. We are in this for the long haul, not 

16 just because our responsibility is to administer these 

17 responsibilities that Congress gave us to implement the 

18 law but, as important, because this matters for our 

19 environment. 

20 In the long run, to act on climate, we will need 

21 to achieve the advanced fuel volumes in the RFS and, 

22 indeed, considerably more if we're to achieve what 

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1 science is telling us we need to achieve by mid 

2 century. 

3 Finally, let me remind everyone that in addition 

4 to today's hearing, there is an opportunity to send us 

5 written comments. The written comment period closes on 

6 July 27, 2015, and details on where to submit those can 

7 be found in the notice announcing the proposal. 

8 Now let me go over how we will conduct this 

9 hearing. 

10 We're conducting this hearing in accordance with 

11 Section 307(d)(5) of the amended Clean Air Act, which 

12 requires EPA to provide interested persons an 

13 opportunity for oral presentation, in addition to 

14 written submissions. The official record of this 

15 hearing will be kept open for 30 days to provide for 

16 submission of rebuttal and supplemental testimony. 

17 This hearing will be conducted informally, and 

18 formal rules of evidence will not apply. I will be 

19 serving as the presiding officer of today's hearing, 

20 and as such, I will strike statements from the record 

21 which are irrelevant or needlessly repetitive and will 

22 apply reasonable limits on the duration of the 

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1 statement of any witness. 

2 Because we have such a long list of those wishing 

3 to testify today, we have had to limit the testimony to 

4 3 minutes for each person. I and other EPA personnel 

5 at this table will be keeping close track of testimony 

6 times. We helpfully provide you with lights. 

7 We won't be escorting you out of the hearing room 

8 if you go beyond that, but we will be nagging you, 

9 again because we want to hear from everyone. And we 

10 will be here until the last person has spoken. So 

11 please be courteous to those that follow you on the 

12 panel so that everyone can speak. 

13 We will be using a panel format for today's 

14 testimony. We're doing that to, again, keep this 

15 hearing efficient and reduce the transaction times 

16 between testimony. Please state their name and your 

17 affiliation prior to making your statement. 

18 When each witness has finished his or her 

19 presentation, the EPA panel will have an opportunity to 

20 ask questions related to the testimony. Witnesses are 

21 reminded that any false statements or false responses 

22 to questions may be a violation of law. 
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1 So in order to streamline the process, again, 

2 members of each panel should be in the room well in 

3 advance of their projected panel time and should make 

4 their way to the staging area to the side of the panel 

5 tables while the previous panel members are finishing 

6 their testimony. 

7 If any members of the audience wishing to testify 

8 have not already signed up, please submit your name at 

9 the registration table reserved for those giving verbal 

10 testimony outside. Again, we will try to accommodate 

11 everyone who wants to testify, and everyone attending 

12 should sign the register whether or not you testify. 

13 Thank you. And with that, I will introduce our 

14 first panel of witnesses. They are Brian Jennings from 

15 the American Coalition for Ethanol, Timothy Hogan from 

16 the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Bob 

17 Henry from the American Soybean Association, Donn Teske 

18 from the Kansas Farmers Union and National Farmers 

19 Union, Anne Steckel from the National Biodiesel Board, 

20 and Jeff Cooper from the Renewable Fuels Association. 

21 Welcome. Brian, you may proceed. 

22 MR. JENNINGS: Thank you. Is this working? Yeah? 

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1 Thank you. My name is Brian Jennings. I am the 

2 executive vice president for the American Coalition for 

3 Ethanol. 

4 More than 100 people representing ACE member 

5 companies will testify at today's hearing. My comments 

6 will focus on EPA's methodology for setting the 2015 

7 and 2016 RVOs. 

8 Today, obligated parties may protest that EPA is 

9 breaking the blend wall in 2016, but you need to 

10 separate the signal from the noise. EPA's methodology 

11 actually enables oil companies to stockpile 

12 approximately 2 billion gallons of carryover RINs by 

13 2016. So, in reality, your proposal continues to limit 

14 ethanol blending to E10. 

15 According to Bruce Babcock of Iowa State 

16 University, because obligated parties control 80 

17 percent of refined product terminals, they decide the 

18 level of ethanol blending that will or will not occur. 

19 And that's why Congress enacted the RFS. 

20 Left to their own devices, oil companies won't 

21 allow consumer access to E15 and flex fuels. Left to 

22 their own devices, oil companies won't reduce the 

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1 carbon intensity of gasoline. They've earned the label 

2 obligated parties based on their refusal to innovate. 

3 Congress struck the phrase "distribution capacity" 

4 from the final statute out of concern that oil 

5 companies would exploit it to confine ethanol blending 

6 at 10 percent. EPA is conflating the very broad 

7 discretion you have under the cellulosic waiver 

8 authority with the very narrow, clear, general waiver 

9 provisions of the RFS, and legal precedent dictates 

10 that when statutory language is clear, EPA must adhere 

11 to the statute. 

12 No matter how many times EPA says it, the 

13 definition of inadequate domestic supply is not 

14 ambiguous. It clearly refers to renewable fuel supply, 

15 and with U.S. ethanol production capacity exceeding 15 

16 billion gallons, supply is more than adequate. 

17 The farmers and biofuel producers who are trying 

18 to help EPA succeed with the RFS are mystified that 

19 you're siding with oil companies who mock the 

20 President's efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 

21 and take EPA to court every year you roll out new 

22 blending targets. EPA cannot take a passive approach 

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1 with parties whose ultimate goal is to repeal the 

2 renewable fuel standard. 

3 Doing so turns a program designed to promote 

4 innovation and clean air into one that chokes 

5 innovation and increases pollution. 

6 Thank you for the opportunity to testify. 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Jennings. Mr. 

8 Hogan? 

9 MR. HOGAN: Good morning. I am Tim Hogan, 

10 director of motor fuels at the American Fuel and 

11 Petrochemical Manufacturers. 

12 The statutory levels of renewable fuels are 

13 unachievable for 2014 to 2016. EPA must preserve that 

14 broad interpretation of its waiver authorities. EPA's 

15 recognition of the ethanol blend wall and the potential 

16 adverse effects on consumers is a welcome first step. 

17 However, EPA's actions are short term in nature 

18 and point to the need for Congress to address the 

19 severely flawed and outdated renewable fuel standard. 

20 The statutory quantities of ethanol to be consumed 

21 exceed the technical limitations of many small engines 

22 in service today. The majority of existing vehicles 
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1 and infrastructure cannot handle a gasoline supply 

2 containing more than 10 percent ethanol, which leads to 

3 what is referred to as the E10 blend wall. 

4 The AFPM has proposed a 9.7 percent cap on ethanol 

5 in gasoline because it is the minimum EPA action 

6 necessary to retain a supply of pure gasoline for some 

7 engines, account for historical differences between EPA 

8 projections of gasoline demand and actual demand, and 

9 promote liquidity in the renewable identification 

10 number market. 

11 EPA has the authority and the responsibility to 

12 waive the RFS mandates to reflect market realities, 

13 such as shrinking gasoline consumption, the lack of 

14 drop-in biofuels, and the failure of E15 and E85 to 

15 provide a home for ethanol. 

16 To date, the advanced biofuel requirement has 

17 functioned as a de facto mandate for hundreds of 

18 millions of gallons of sugarcane ethanol imported from 

19 Brazil. This is not what Congress intended. EPA 

20 should consider only domestic supply when setting the 

21 advanced biofuel and total renewable fuel volumes. 

22 EPA needs to preserve carryover RINs, a crucial 

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1 tool for industry and individual companies to deal with 

2 uncertainties and challenges and to provide compliance 

3 flexibility. EPA does not have the authority to 

4 increase the stringency for biomass-based diesel for 

5 2014 or 2016 or 2015. 

6 Far too much lead time is required by the Clean 

7 Air Act to set a different value for biomass-based 

8 diesel. Therefore, the agency cannot promulgate a 

9 volume for biomass-based diesel for 2014 or 2015 or 

10 2016 that's higher than 1.28 billion gallons, the 

11 regulatory value for 2013. The law is clear on this 

12 point. 

13 In relation to the cellulosic portion of the 

14 mandate, EPA recognized the statutory levels simply do 

15 not exist and has made a downward adjustment from what 

16 the law says for 2010 to 2013 and has proposed to 

17 continue these very large waivers for 2014 to 2016. 

18 However, the agency proposed a cellulosic biofuel 

19 requirement for 2016 that far exceeds a reasonable 

20 projection of what can actually be produced. In 

21 January 2013, the court told EPA to be reasonable and 

22 not aspirational. 

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1 Thank you for this opportunity. 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Next speaker will be 

3 Bob Henry from the American Soybean Association. Mr. 

4 Henry? 

5 MR. HENRY: Thank you. 

6 Good morning. My name is Bob Henry, and I am a 

7 soybean farmer from Robinson, Kansas. 

8 ASA represents thousands of soybean farmers in 30 

9 States. Soybean farmers are very proud of the leading 

10 role they have played in establishing and developing 

11 the U.S. biodiesel industry. 

12 Biodiesel has grown to a point of producing well 

13 over 1 billion gallons annually and now has the 

14 capacity to produce over 3 billion gallons of domestic, 

15 renewable, advanced biofuels. While biodiesel is now 

16 made from diverse group of feedstocks, soybean oil 

17 remains the largest source of biodiesel feedstock. 

18 We are proud of the many benefits that biodiesel 

19 provides, including a more diversified energy market, 

20 increased domestic energy production, significant 

21 reductions in greenhouse gas emissions resulting in 

22 improved air quality, new jobs and economic 

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1 development, particularly in rural America, and, of 

2 course, expanding markets for soybean farmers. We are 

3 also proud that biodiesel and the soybean industry has 

4 always advocated for RFS volumes that are modest and 

5 achievable. 

6 We are glad that compared to last year's proposal, 

7 which called for just 1.28 billion gallons for 2014 and 

8 '15, EPA's new proposed rule increases volumes for 

9 biomass-based diesel, starting at 1.63 gallons in 2016 

10 and increasing to 1.9 billion in 2017. We see no 

11 reason why EPA should not at a minimum support biomass12 based diesel volumes of at least 2 billion gallons for 

13 2016 and 2.3 billion gallons for 2017. 

14 In addition to the benefits already mentioned, we 

15 believe the following factors support our request for 

16 higher volumes. Additional soybean oil will be 

17 displaced from domestic food markets as a result of the 

18 recent FDA determination requiring the elimination of 

19 partially hydrogenated oil, which creates trans fats. 

20 It is estimated that this will displace an additional 1 

21 to 1.5 billion pounds of soybean oil from food use. 

22 The biodiesel market provides an outlet for this 
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1 surplus soybean oil, which is a byproduct of soybean 

2 production that is driven by the demand for soybean 

3 meal for protein. Increasing the biomass-based diesel 

4 volumes relative to the total advanced biofuels volumes 

5 will promote the use of a biodiesel over imported 

6 Brazilian sugarcane ethanol. 

7 While EPA contends the statute does not 

8 distinguish between domestic and imported renewable 

9 fuels, we believe the intent of the program is clearly 

10 to increase domestic energy production and promote U.S. 

11 energy independence. 

12 EPA should also increase the biomass-based diesel 

13 volumes to account for the likelihood of increased 

14 imports of biodiesel from Argentina. EPA's proposed 

15 volumes for biomass-based diesel should account for 

16 these increased imports from Argentina. 

17 Thank you for the opportunity for providing these 

18 comments today. The ASA, along with our biodiesel 

19 industry partners, looks forward to working with EPA to 

20 further improve the proposed rules and implementation 

21 of a successful RFS program. 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Henry. 

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1 Mr. Teske? 

2 (Applause.) 

3 MR. TESKE: Thank you. Donn Teske -- 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Settle down. 

5 (Laughter.) 

6 MR. TESKE: Donn Teske. I'm a farmer stockman in 

7 Pottawatomie County, Kansas, and I'm here representing 

8 National Farmers Union and Kansas Farmers Union. 

9 Thank you for the opportunity to submit testimony 

10 regarding the renewable fuel standard proposed volume 

11 targets. The NFU supports the volume targets set in a 

12 bipartisan legislation that enacted the RFS and urges 

13 the EPA to adjust the volume targets for the years in 

14 question to match the statutes. 

15 The NFU supports the RFS for several reasons, 

16 including the much-needed reinvestment it drives in 

17 rural America and the reduction in U.S. dependency on 

18 foreign oil it facilitates. The RFS also carries 

19 important environmental benefits, particularly in 

20 regard to climate change. Producers across the U.S. 

21 are already feeling the impact of increasing weather 

22 volatility and disruption of water resources, whether 

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1 related to precipitation irregularities or loss of 

2 river flow due to diminished snowpack. 

3 Strong scientific consensus indicates that 

4 climate-related challenges to agricultural production 

5 will increase and that decisive action is needed to 

6 reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases in order to 

7 avoid the worst consequences of climate change. 

8 Climate changes jeopardizes the ability of family 

9 farmers to continue farming and the security of our 

10 food supply. If the EPA implements the volume targets 

11 embodied in the statutes, 138 million metric tons of 

12 greenhouse gas emissions will be directly avoided, 

13 equivalent to removing 27 million cars from the road. 

14 The volume targets are also needed to drive 

15 advances in advanced and cellulosic ethanol. It is 

16 anticipated that producing biofuel from these 

17 feedstocks will establish additional environmental 

18 benefits. 

19 Some of the possible feedstocks are perennial, 

20 allowing producers to avoid emissions from tilling and 

21 planting a field and encouraging the soil to store more 

22 carbons. Some of the feedstocks also grow very well 

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1 with limited water, reducing the need to deploy energy 

2 for irrigation and freeing water for other uses where 

3 resources are limited. 

4 Oil companies have argued that there is 

5 insufficient infrastructure to accommodate the volume 

6 of biofuels mandated by Congress, allowing EPA to waive 

7 some volume requirements. However, Congress did not 

8 grant EPA the authority to waive volume requirements 

9 under these circumstances. The statutes are 

10 specifically designed to force oil companies to build 

11 new infrastructure to accommodate increasing amounts of 

12 biofuels, opening their monopolistic stranglehold on 

13 transportation fuels and allowing consumers more 

14 choice. 

15 Family farmers and ranchers want to help address 

16 climate change but need policy support to maximize 

17 their contribution. Setting volume targets lower than 

18 those called for in the bipartisan legislation that 

19 enacted the RFS prevents farmers and rural communities 

20 from participating in the climate change mitigation. 

21 The NFU appreciates the EPA's work administering 

22 the program and the benefits achieved through it to 
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1 date, but it is deeply disappointed by the proposed 

2 rule and the clear message it sends to stop investment 

3 and development in the biofuels industry. 

4 Thank you very much. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Ms. Steckel? 

6 MS. STECKEL: Good morning. I'm Anne Steckel, 

7 with the National Biodiesel Board. We're the trade 

8 association that represents the biodiesel and renewable 

9 diesel industries. 

10 I want to first start off by thanking you all, the 

11 EPA staff, for your commitment to administering the 

12 program and the hard work that you all did improving 

13 the policy from the initial proposal that came out in 

14 2013. 

15 Now that the proposal is behind us, we intend to 

16 work with you to further strengthen both the biomass17 based diesel and the advanced biofuel program. Today, 

18 you will hear from biodiesel and renewable diesel 

19 supporters and stakeholders throughout the day on how 

20 and why we can work together to provide and promote 

21 advanced biofuels. 

22 According to the EPA's own calculations, biodiesel 

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1 reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 57 to 86 percent. 

2 With today's feedstock usage ratio, we are averaging 

3 approximately 80 percent greenhouse gas reductions when 

4 compared to baseline diesel fuel. 

5 This is an incredible reduction, particularly when 

6 you consider that the transportation sector accounts 

7 for more than a quarter of total U.S. greenhouse gas 

8 emissions. In fact, a strong biodiesel growth under 

9 the RFS can make a significant impact in helping us 

10 reach the President's goals. 

11 To meet these goals, we have to take a bold action 

12 in the transportation sector, not just in electricity. 

13 We have to end our dependence on petroleum. And 

14 biodiesel is one of the most practical, cost-effective 

15 fuels available today to do that. 

16 To put that in better perspective, in the last 10 

17 years, we have replaced petroleum diesel with 8.2 

18 billion gallons of biodiesel and have cut 75.5 million 

19 metric tons of carbon pollution, an equivalent of 

20 removing 15.9 million cars from America's roadways. 

21 Imagine what we can do with EPA's help over the next 10 

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1 The remainder of my statement and our comments 

2 will focus on 2016 and 2017. We believe this is where 

3 the current proposal can be improved. You have 

4 proposed 1.8 billion gallons and 1.9 billion gallons of 

5 biomass-based diesel in those years. 

6 While we believe our original request for 2.4 

7 billion gallons and 2.7 billion gallons is reasonable 

8 and achievable, we are now calling for a modest 

9 increase of not less than 2 billion gallons in 2016 and 

10 2.3 billion gallons in 2017. This is a modest increase 

11 of 300 million gallons from your proposed volume of 1.7 

12 billion gallons in 2015. 

13 While the 300 million gallons means a great deal 

14 to our industry, particularly our smaller producers, 

15 that small increase is virtually undetectable by the 

16 feedstock markets or the petroleum marketplace. 

17 Specifically in response to your proposal, we believe 

18 you have significantly underestimated the volume of 

19 imports that are already making their way into the 

20 U.S., and we will be sharing additional data over the 

21 next few months to confirm that. Already we are seeing 

22 an uptick in biodiesel imports from Argentina, and we 

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1 expect that trend to strongly continue. 

2 Thank you for your support today. I appreciate 

3 your consideration and again urge you to revisit this 

4 proposal and issue a final rule with additional growth. 

5 Thank you. 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Cooper? 

7 MR. COOPER: Well, thank you very much, and good 

8 morning. 

9 My name is Jeff Cooper. I'm speaking on behalf of 

10 the Renewable Fuels Association today. 

11 I think by any measure you choose, the RFS has 

12 been a tremendous success, and we've already heard some 

13 of the benefits of the RFS and proven track record of 

14 the program to date. And because the program has 

15 worked so well, we're extremely disappointed that EPA 

16 is again proposing to slash the blending requirements 

17 that were enacted by Congress for 2014 through 2016, 

18 and you're going to hear a lot of that disappointment, 

19 I think, from dozens of our member producers today. 

20 We continue to believe that EPA is overstepping 

21 the bounds of its legal authority by proposing to 

22 partially waive the RFS, based on perceived 
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1 distribution capacity constraints. Nothing in the 

2 statute allows EPA to set the RVOs based on the so3 called blend wall or alleged infrastructure 

4 limitations. 

5 In fact, Congress did consider measures that would 

6 have allowed waivers based on distribution 

7 infrastructure, but they rightly rejected those 

8 concepts because they knew allowing that type of off 

9 ramp would entice the oil companies to hold the RFS 

10 program hostage, as they are now doing. 

11 Rather, Congress focused its waiver provisions 

12 narrowly on the question of supply, and the law is 

13 clear. If the supply is adequate to meet the statutory 

14 volume requirements, then obligated parties must find a 

15 way to distribute those volumes. 

16 And when EPA considers the supply of renewable 

17 fuel and whether it's adequate to meet statutory 

18 requirements, stocks of RIN credits must be taken into 

19 account. After all, RINs represent gallons of 

20 renewable fuel that are produced and were or are part 

21 of the physical fuel supply. RINs are gallons. And to 

22 completely dismiss carryover RINs from the 

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1 determination of available supply seems illogical to 

2 us, and doing so will cause RIN stocks to balloon and 

3 RIN prices to crash. 

4 Because EPA is ignoring carryover RINs, the 

5 proposed RVOs, even in 2016, do nothing to break the 

6 blend wall. In fact, oil companies don't have to 

7 change anything they're doing as a result of this 

8 proposal. Oil companies could very easily meet their 

9 2015 obligations simply by blending E10 and their 2016 

10 obligations by blending E10 and turning in a handful of 

11 surplus RINs, which will be in ample supply. 

12 The U.S. ethanol industry is on pace to produce 

13 nearly 15 billion gallons in 2015. And when carryover 

14 RINs are properly taken into account, there is no doubt 

15 that the supply is more than adequate to meet the 

16 statutory RFS volumes for renewable fuel. And in fact, 

17 yesterday's DOE data showed that the industry is 

18 operating at a rate of 15.3 billion gallons annually. 

19 Finally, I want to point out a critical error that 

20 we've discovered regarding the proposed 2014 RVO that 

21 we believe needs to be corrected immediately. EPA has 

22 mistakenly assumed that RINs were generated on every 

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1 gallon of exported ethanol and, thus, that those RINs 

2 will be retired and unavailable for compliance. 

3 But in reality, nearly half of the ethanol 

4 exported in 2014 never generated a RIN, and thus, EPA 

5 is underestimating the number of RINs available for 

6 compliance by nearly 400 million RINs. We think this 

7 is a significant mistake that will artificially inflate 

8 RIN stocks and undermine the RINs' ability to drive 

9 investment and innovation. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. 

11 MR. COOPER: Thank you. 

12 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Cooper. 

13 Thank you, Panel 1. I'd like to now invite Panel 

14 3 up to the stage, and if I could ask the Panel 5 

15 members to move to the staging area along the wall? 

16 Thank you. 

17 (Pause.) 

18 MR. GRUNDLER: Welcome, Panel 3. Mr. Engelbrecht, 

19 you may lead us off. 

20 MR. ENGELBRECHT: Thank you very much. 

21 Kent Engelbrecht, biodiesel trade manager for ADM. 

22 I want to thank you for the opportunity to discuss the 

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1 EPA's RVO proposal and its impact on the future of 

2 American biodiesel. 

3 Archer Daniels Midland Company has been producing 

4 biodiesel in the U.S. since 2006. Today, we market 

5 more than 250 million gallons every year, produced from 

6 a wide variety of feedstocks, including soy and canola, 

7 at four plants here in the United States. These plants 

8 support nearly 1,000 jobs and have created stability 

9 and opportunity for countless American farmers. 

10 While EPA's proposal is a significant improvement 

11 over the previous one, there remains substantial room 

12 for improvement, particularly for 2016 and 2017. For 

13 example, renewable diesel and biodiesel are providing 

14 26.5 percent of California's fuel carbon reductions. 

15 Projections from California's Air Resource Board 

16 estimate that the U.S. will have the capacity to 

17 produce 3.5 billion gallons of renewable diesel and 

18 biodiesel annually by 2020. 

19 However, EPA's proposal falls significantly short 

20 of these volumes. EPA has stated that its intent is to 

21 allow biomass-based diesel to have the ability to 

22 compete to fulfill a portion of nested D5 RIN volumes. 
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1 However, since this proposal was released, it has 

2 become apparent that the significant gap between D6 and 

3 D5 RIN prices, coupled with limited biodiesel and 

4 conventional targets, will cap U.S. ethanol and 

5 biodiesel in favor of Brazilian sugarcane ethanol to 

6 fill the total advanced standard. 

7 We are also concerned that EPA's RVO proposal for 

8 biodiesel does not take into account the projected 

9 imports from Argentina following EPA's approval earlier 

10 this year of the CARBIO survey method. We have already 

11 seen increased import volumes, and with Argentina's 

12 differential export tax in place, U.S. producers have 

13 been put at a competitive disadvantage. 

14 In fact, inbound vessels of Argentine biodiesel 

15 that have been booked but not yet delivered to the 

16 United States constitute 50 percent of all Argentine 

17 shipments to the U.S. year to date. In other words, in 

18 the near future, we'll see a doubling of import volumes 

19 of Argentine biodiesel when compared to the volume of 

20 imports from January through May. 

21 We support the National Biodiesel Board's 

22 recommendations to accommodate a growing industry while 

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1 encouraging demand to further support investment. The 

2 NBB originally urged the EPA to set volumes at 2.4 

3 billion gallons for 2016 and 2.7 billion gallons for 

4 2017. We now request that this standard be set at 

5 least 2 billion gallons for 2016 and 2.3 billion for 

6 2017, levels that we believe are realistic, achievable, 

7 and reflective of the underlying legislation. 

8 Like most industries, American biodiesel requires 

9 certainty in order to plan for production and 

10 utilization. We believe the market can get back on 

11 track, but it needs a clear signal from the EPA that it 

12 can count on a reliable, consistently growing RFS. 

13 We look forward to the opportunity to work with 

14 the EPA and the administration to help construct a 

15 strong RFS and preserve America's commitment to 

16 biofuels. 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Willis 

18 from ADM. 

19 MR. WILLIS: Thank you. 

20 Hi, I'm Craig Willis, president of the ethanol 

21 group at ADM. 

22 Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear 

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1 on behalf of Archer Daniels Midland Company to discuss 

2 EPA's RVOs proposal and its potential impact on 

3 American ethanol. ADM has been producing ethanol since 

4 1979. Today, we manufacture and market more than 1.7 

5 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol at 6 plants here 

6 in the United States. These plants support more than 

7 2,600 jobs. 

8 This proposal is an improvement over the one EPA 

9 released in late '13, but it nevertheless falls short 

10 of the targets set by Congress, and the methodology 

11 remains troubling. That methodology sets volume 

12 obligations based upon current infrastructure instead 

13 of the industry's actual production capacity and 

14 rewards the pattern of underinvestment by the obligated 

15 parties and undermines what today is an American 

16 success story. 

17 EPA's proposal asserts that RIN prices are likely 

18 to be higher than at historical levels, which is an 

19 expected market response to an increased renewable fuel 

20 mandate that is pushing volumes beyond the so-called 

21 blend wall. However, the market response to the 

22 proposal has been the exact opposite, a strong 

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1 indicator that the volumes proposed, when coupled with 

2 the significant RIN carryover supply, will not, in 

3 effect, exceed a 10 percent national blending 

4 threshold. This is confirmed by the DOE's recent 2016 

5 forecast. 

6 In earlier testimony, we mentioned the wide RIN 

7 gap and RIN prices and its impact on the market, 

8 particularly relating to advantages that Brazilian 

9 imports -- or excuse me, to advantages for Brazilian 

10 imports. Brazil, seeking to capture this benefit, just 

11 raised their import tariff and expects to raise several 

12 billion additional dollars. 

13 It's equally important to add the GHG-related 

14 impacts are doubled by transporting ethanol from Brazil 

15 to the U.S. and backfilling the volume with U.S. 

16 ethanol. 

17 Our industry has been working on private sector 

18 solutions to the blend wall. ADM is a founding member 

19 of the Prime the Pump Fund, a biofuel industry 

20 organization that works to expand E15 infrastructure 

21 and availability through grants to interested 

22 retailers. Prime the Pump has raised and committed 
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1 more than $30 million in the last year to expand E15 

2 and E85 use to high-volume, multiple location chains 

3 like Sheetz, Kum & Go, and Murphy, to name a few. 

4 While we have made progress, I can tell you the 

5 two biggest impediments to expansion of higher blends 

6 are directly under EPA's control, the granting of the 

7 1-pound RVP waiver for E15 and RVO levels. Blending 

8 economics should provide sufficient incentive to 

9 deliver biofuels to the market in growing volumes, but 

10 the 1-pound waiver and an uncertain and decreased RVO 

11 have obstructed it. 

12 We believe the EPA has an opportunity to get the 

13 market back on track and realize the goals the RFS was 

14 created to attain. We look forward to the opportunity 

15 to work with EPA and the administration to continue to 

16 strengthen American biofuels. 

17 Thank you. 

18 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. 

19 Next we have Mr. Grant Kimberley from the Iowa 

20 Biodiesel Board. 

21 MR. KIMBERLEY: Good morning. Good morning. I'm 

22 Grant Kimberley, with the Iowa Biodiesel Board and also 

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1 the Iowa Soybean Association. I'm also a farmer who 

2 farms with my family east of Des Moines. 

3 In these roles, I represent the entire Iowa 

4 biodiesel value chain, from the farmers who grow 

5 soybean to biodiesel manufacturers, petroleum 

6 marketers, and other industry stakeholders. First and 

7 foremost, I'm also someone who believes in the power of 

8 biodiesel and its positive impact on my local, State, 

9 and national economy and environment. 

10 EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy visited my farm in 

11 2009, and we discussed how intertwined agriculture and 

12 energy are and how they benefit Iowa's and the nation's 

13 economy. Agriculture accounts for more than a third of 

14 Iowa's economic output. One in five Iowans is employed 

15 in agriculture biofuel-related industry. 

16 Clearly, any action that supports farming and 

17 agriculture and promotes growth in this industry is 

18 good for Iowa and our nation. The RFS is one such 

19 example. 

20 Iowa is the nation's top biodiesel producer, 

21 supporting more than 7,100 jobs, and adds $520 million 

22 of GDP to the State's economy. There are 12 plants in 

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1 Iowa that can produce more than 315 million gallons. 

2 However, last year, they produced just 227 million 

3 because of RFS uncertainty. 

4 The Iowa Soybean Association also works on behalf 

5 of 40,000 farmers who produce around 500 million 

6 bushels of soybeans annually. Continued and consistent 

7 demand for this product is essential for market 

8 security. 

9 When we diversify farm income by allowing farmers 

10 to play a role in energy production, it benefits food 

11 security. The rise of biofuels means greater food 

12 security. Farmers are efficient and innovative and 

13 will always rise to meet market demands. 

14 Biodiesel takes support of the ag economy one step 

15 further by creating greater value for a byproduct of 

16 the soybean meal. By creating demand for soybean oil 

17 that would otherwise be underutilized, biodiesel 

18 decreases the price of soybean meal, a win-win for 

19 farmers who grow soybeans and feed meal to livestock. 

20 A growing global population demands more protein. 

21 Biodiesel supports that demand. Demand for biodiesel 

22 increases the soybean crush, thus making meal more 

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1 plentiful and less expensive. It also creates 

2 additional demand for animal fats, also benefitting 

3 livestock producers. 

4 Also, the recent FDA decision to ban trans fats 

5 will create a glut of 1.5 billion pounds of soybean 

6 oil. Biodiesel provides that timely market for this 

7 oil. We need to ensure that the biodiesel industry has 

8 room to use it by setting the biodiesel RFS target 

9 higher. 

10 In closing, please be mindful that the actions of 

11 the EPA in this case also impact the Federal ag budget. 

12 If farmers realize higher soybean prices due to 

13 increased demand of feedstuffs and biodiesel, the USDA 

14 could save billions of dollars that would otherwise be 

15 paid out in farm programs. If target volumes for 

16 biodiesel are increased in the RFS, soybean prices 

17 could stabilize above break-even and save on farm 

18 programs. 

19 Your decision on this matter has broad 

20 implications. I ask that you set a final rule that is 

21 closer to the industry's initial request of 2.4 billion 

22 gallons for 2016 and 2.7 billion gallons for 2017. We 
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1 are more than capable of achieving and using these 

2 volumes. 

3 Thank you for the opportunity to speak. The IBB 

4 and ISA look forward to working the EPA to improve the 

5 proposed rule and implementation of a successful RFS 

6 program. 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Marr? 

8 MR. MARR: Thank you. 

9 I'm Ron Marr with the Minnesota Soybean 

10 Processors. We're located in the little Minnesota town 

11 of Brewster in southwest Minnesota. 

12 We're owned by about 2,500 local investors. We 

13 were formed under a Minnesota jobs creation law. We 

14 employ about 85, who enjoy fully benefited jobs. These 

15 are fairly rare in rural Minnesota and, thus, are 

16 highly sought and fairly well-paid jobs. 

17 We process about 110,000 bushels of soybeans a day 

18 into soybean meal protein for animals and nonfood 

19 soybean oil. About one half of our soybean oil is then 

20 refined into biodiesel. The balance of the soybean 

21 oil, which we call our market millstone, is either 

22 stored or dumped into the marketplace, which we find 

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1 less demand for because of trans fats. 

2 While EPA's proposed volumes are appreciated, they 

3 are by no means spectacular. Absent clear market 

4 signals, our company had no appetite to increase its 

5 biodiesel refining to consume all of our soybean oil 

6 production, which is essentially like leaving 30 

7 million gallons of domestically refined biodiesel on 

8 the table. 

9 Long-contemplated refining expansion to consume 

10 all of our soybean oil production, largely dependent on 

11 the signals given through EPA rulemaking, if completed 

12 would consume about one third of EPA's proposed 100 

13 million gallon increase, about another 30 million 

14 gallons we'd be able to produce. 

15 We're also considering expansion of our existing 

16 soybean meal processing plant to satisfy export demand 

17 for animal soybean protein. An expansion of our plant 

18 would result in about a third more soybean oil 

19 available for biodiesel refining, another 10 to 15 

20 million gallons of biodiesel per year. 

21 If completed, and that's a big "if" depending upon 

22 final rule, these two Minnesota soy expansions alone 

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1 could result in up to 45 million gallons of new 

2 biodiesel production available for the domestic market. 

3 That's about one half of your proposed 100 million 

4 gallon increase in our RVO. 

5 Our message to EPA is simple and clear. The 

6 biodiesel industry has, can, and will deliver on the 

7 goals of the RFS, particularly for advanced biofuels. 

8 We're poised to expand our production and continue 

9 building our industry and employment with the right 

10 public policy solution. But we are much stronger -- 

11 but we need much stronger biodiesel and advanced 

12 biofuel volumes in the final rule to make that happen. 

13 Finally, we really appreciate having this hearing 

14 in the Midwest. It's much easier for many of us to 

15 attend. 

16 Thank you. 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Next we have Mr. 

18 Gary Haer. 

19 MR. HAER: Thank you. 

20 Good morning. I am Gary Haer, vice president of 

21 sales and marketing for Renewable Energy Group, the 

22 nation's largest biodiesel producer and marketer. I'm 

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1 also immediate past chairman of the National Biodiesel 

2 Board and still serve on the National Biodiesel Board's 

3 governing body. 

4 On behalf of REG, I want to thank EPA for the work 

5 that you have put into this multiyear RVO proposal. 

6 Biomass-based diesel is not just proof that the RFS is 

7 working, it is a shining example of just how good 

8 public policy can and should work, creating jobs and 

9 economic growth while also protecting our environment 

10 and enhancing energy security. 

11 REG takes great pride in achieving the policy 

12 goals of the RFS not just by being the leading producer 

13 of advanced biofuels, but also in our lower-cost, 

14 lower-carbon feedstock model and the additional 

15 environmental benefits that that provides. Over the 

16 last 2 years, 84 percent of REG's produced fuel came 

17 from waste fats, oils, and greases. 

18 For more than 500 million gallons that we have 

19 produced between 2013 and 2014, the average REG 

20 biodiesel gallon has reduced lifecycle greenhouse gas 

21 emissions by more than 80 percent, compared to 

22 petroleum diesel. I'd like to restate that. More than 
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1 500 million gallons produced with 80 percent less 

2 greenhouse gas emissions than petroleum diesel fuel. 

3 However, there's more that we can do. In fact, we 

4 already are. The figures I just gave you were before 

5 multi-feedstock upgrades at three of our plants had a 

6 chance to run a full year. They also include about 1 

7 month of full production from the 75 million gallon 

8 renewable hydrocarbon diesel biorefinery in Louisiana 

9 REG acquired last year. 

10 We also have four partially completed multi11 feedstock biorefineries with a total nameplate capacity 

12 of 150 million gallons. So there is more production 

13 capability that can be brought into the market. 

14 As we've grown the capacity of lower-cost, lower15 carbon biofuels, we've also reduced the cost of 

16 production, and this is very significant. Just a few 

17 years ago, feedstock and chemical costs accounted for 

18 80 percent of our total production cost. 

19 Through continuous process and quality 

20 improvements, feedstocks and chemicals are now just 90 

21 percent of our production cost, meaning we have reduced 

22 our fixed and variable production cost by 50 percent. 

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1 Combine that with our lower-cost feedstock model and 

2 you have a cheaper, high-quality advanced biofuel that 

3 is truly price competitive. 

4 I'd like to touch briefly on infrastructure. In 

5 2014, REG sold biomass-based diesel and co-products in 

6 47 States, 5 Canadian provinces, and 4 states in 

7 Mexico. We have 25 terminal locations in addition to 

8 our 10 manufacturing plants, and our major customers 

9 are petroleum refiners, wholesalers, and travel 

10 centers, which provide biofuel blends to heavy duty 

11 fleets and other distillate customers. 

12 In fact, the two major travel centers in the U.S. 

13 have more than 500 locations combined across the 

14 country where they provide blends of up to B20. And 

15 with a number of State incentives for blends of B5 to 

16 B11 and higher, we see more infrastructure growth 

17 ahead. 

18 We will provide much more data in our formal 

19 written comments, but let me conclude by saying the 

20 biomass-based diesel industry has proven itself time 

21 and time again, and we truly appreciate the growth 

22 curve you've given us in this proposal. We just ask 

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1 that you let our performance prove that the volumes for 

2 '16 and 2017 can be further increased. 

3 Thank you. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Haer. 

5 Next we have Mr. Phil Abels, and I'm assuming that 

6 you yielded part of your time to your colleague from 

7 REG? 

8 MR. ABELS: I will try. Good morning. I'm Phil 

9 Abels, plant manager of the Renewable Energy Group's 30 

10 million gallon biorefinery in Newton, Iowa, and have 

11 been with REG since 2006. 

12 Newton is a town of about 15,000 residents. 

13 That's less than it used to be. Newton was the home of 

14 Maytag, which employed almost 4,000 people. But when 

15 Maytag was bought by Whirlpool in 2007, that all ended, 

16 and 1,800 people lost their livelihoods. 

17 What does that have to do with the proposed rule 

18 we are all here talking about today? It's simple. 

19 Jobs and community. 

20 Newton is rebuilding, thanks to companies like 

21 REG, and it's not just Newton. Danville, Illinois, 

22 where we have a 45 million gallon biorefinery, was also 

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1 devastated when major employers closed in the 1990s. 

2 These are communities that value every job and 

3 make the most of these dollars that the jobs put in 

4 local coffers. I manage 25 full-time employees at REG 

5 Newton. REG as a whole has grown from just a handful 

6 of employees in the basement of a west central 

7 cooperative in 1996 to 539 employees across the country 

8 today, and we do not have one minimum wage job in the 

9 whole company. 

10 But much larger than that is the number of jobs 

11 our company and, on a larger scale, our industry 

12 supports. In 2014, REG purchased feedstocks from 132 

13 companies across the country. We utilize 69 trucking 

14 firms to haul 41,146 truckloads of feedstock, fuel, and 

15 co-products between 37 States. 

16 We engaged 32 different railway and railcar 

17 companies to ship 4,852 railcar loads up to 33 States 

18 and provinces in North America. And we also ship 17 

19 barges, touching 5 States. 

20 Additionally last year, REG invested $15.8 million 

21 to expand the feedstock capability and capacity of the 

22 Newton plant while also further improving the high-
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1 quality fuel we produce there. This project supported 

2 70 construction jobs and several others. REG also 

3 invested $20 million for a multi-feedstock upgrade for 

4 our Mason City, Iowa, biorefinery that supported 

5 another 70 to 80 jobs. 

6 I must also mention the $20 million REG invested 

7 in 2012 and 2013 for upgrading our Albert Lea, 

8 Minnesota, plant. In addition to providing enhanced 

9 environmental benefits, these upgrades make plants more 

10 viable, efficient for the future, with lower cost and 

11 better job security. All these numbers will improve 

12 under the new proposal and grow even more with larger 

13 increases of the 2016 and 2017 biomass-based diesel 

14 RVOs. 

15 In closing, I just want to say again how much 

16 these jobs mean to places like Newton. I implore you 

17 to look at what biomass-based diesel means for rural 

18 communities across the country, the other industries, 

19 and thousands upon thousands of working families that 

20 have benefited from it. Not only are they breathing 

21 cleaner air, they are breathing easier knowing their 

22 jobs are more secure. 

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1 Thank you. 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 3, 

3 for your testimony today. 

4 I'd like to invite Panel 5 to the table. Welcome. 

5 If Panel 7 members could make their way to the 

6 staging area, I'd be grateful. 

7 Welcome, Panel 5. Up first will be Bob Hemesath. 

8 MR. HEMESATH: Thank you. 

9 My name is Bob Hemesath. I'm a fourth-generation 

10 farmer from Decorah, Iowa. I farm with my brother and 

11 nephew and my dad. 

12 We raise corn and have a wean-to-finish hog 

13 operation. We raise 2,200 acres of corn and 20,000 

14 hogs a year. I currently serve as vice president of 

15 the Iowa Corn Growers Association. 

16 Our family corn and hog operation have been 

17 positively impacted by ethanol and dried distillers 

18 grains. I've been fortunate to have not only more, but 

19 better markets for our corn since ethanol plants were 

20 built. 

21 Our local corn base has improved because of the 

22 ethanol plants and their need for corn all year long. 

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1 Our hog operation utilizes dried distillers grains in 

2 our feed, as it is a great and economical protein 

3 source and has shown proven performance to improve our 

4 hogs' growth. We have also seen the growth of cattle 

5 feeding in our area, and it is mostly contributed to 

6 the availability of dried distillers grains produced by 

7 area plants. 

8 The impact of corn demand that ethanol has helped 

9 create has made our operation more sustainable. We've 

10 been able to utilize technology in seeds and equipment 

11 to put fertilizer chemicals and manure from our hog 

12 operation in the right place at the right rate. We've 

13 been able to try new conservation practices and tools 

14 to reduce soil erosion and nutrient loss. 

15 Iowa corn farmers have invested our checkoff 

16 dollars to expand access to higher blends of ethanol, 

17 E85, and blender pumps and fuel stations to provide a 

18 clean and more economical choice of fuel. We have 

19 invested significant resources in this work and will 

20 continue to do so in the future to promote consumer 

21 choice at the pump. 

22 In addition, the State of Iowa has made a 

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1 significant investment through the Renewable Fuels 

2 Infrastructure Program. This fund has allowed 

3 retailers to share -- to cost-share pumps to the tune 

4 of $3 million per year. We are doing our part on the 

5 infrastructure side of things, and we need EPA to 

6 recognize that and reflect that in the methodology. 

7 Corn farmers are doing our job to produce more 

8 than enough corn to meet all issues. We have nearly a 

9 2 billion bushel carryout this year, and while I know 

10 we've had some other challenges in parts of the 

11 Midwest, particularly with the soybean planting, the 

12 2015 corn crop looks to be in very good shape. 

13 With current market conditions, we are working 

14 with negative margins, as the abundance of corn has 

15 driven the corn market to prices half of what they were 

16 a couple of years ago. It is imperative that the EPA 

17 restore the RVO numbers to the statutory amounts and 

18 maintain a strong, statutorily sound methodology. 

19 Thank you for the opportunity and the time to 

20 allow me to speak. 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Mohr, proceed. 

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1 and I happen to be the current president of the Iowa 

2 Corn Growers Association, 8,000 families that are 

3 financially being threatened by this recent decision by 

4 the EPA. 

5 My wife and I, this is our 42nd year of farming 

6 and my 42nd corn crop that I've planted. I'm a fourth7 generation farmer, and my wife and partner and I will 

8 celebrate 38 years of wedded bliss, the gift of three 

9 children, and now two grandchildren. 

10 We are no-till and minimum-till farmers. We raise 

11 corn, soybeans, and also alfalfa hay. We also grow 

12 seed corn. We use cover crops. On almost all the -- 

13 half the acres we plant, our plant nutrients are 

14 applied in the spring right before we plant the crop. 

15 Our farms are grid sampled, which means we take a 

16 soil sample every 2 acres. And when we apply our 

17 fertilizer, that machine that spreads it reads that 

18 information and puts out only what we need to put out. 

19 We grow food plots for our feathered friends, and 

20 we have red clover and milkweed for our butterflies and 

21 our pollinator friends. We consider ourselves to be 

22 great stewards of our family farms, and we hope the 

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1 next generation who operates these farms will do so 

2 with the same culture that we have created for four 

3 generations. 

4 In 1973, I first became acquainted with the supply 

5 and demand of gasoline when OPEC had their first oil 

6 embargo. We had long gas lines, and high prices 

7 disrupted commerce in this country for weeks at end. 

8 And about that time, we were trying to import our 

9 energy needs from countries who wanted to deliver oil 

10 to our ports cheaper and easier than we could discover 

11 it here. 

12 OPEC was formed in 1960. They hooked us on cheap 

13 oil, and we've let ourselves be lulled to sleep by 

14 imports. 

15 Also about that time, a group of entrepreneurial 

16 farmers knew that they could take excess crops and 

17 produce alcohol. Little did they know that the early 

18 '70s -- in the early '70s the dark days ahead of 

19 agriculture, and they had no idea how maybe their plan 

20 would have averted the ag depression of the 1980s. 

21 We were told at that time to plant fence row to 

22 fence row. Exports at that time were being robust. 

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1 The former Soviet Union was becoming a key buyer of our 

2 products until we again became a pawn of foreign policy 

3 and James Earl Carter, our President, announced a grain 

4 embargo January 4, 1981. 

5 Seventeen million tons of grain that were ordered 

6 to be sent to the Soviet Union, we committed to send, 

7 were not delivered. President Carter, in order to ease 

8 the impact to the American farmer, will remove the 

9 grain from the market through storage and price support 

10 systems and, at that time, production of gasohol. 

11 This was a stepping off point for agriculture and 

12 the depression in the 1980s. The Federal Government 

13 paid us to store crops for years on end. We were told 

14 to set aside and not to plant crops on our farms, and 

15 they would pay us for that. 

16 Corn prices became so cheap that the livestock 

17 industry also suffered by overproduction. We were 

18 dealing with 21 percent interest rates and addiction to 

19 Government storage payments. We dumped millions of 

20 bushels of corn on the world market, literally driving 

21 all other countries out of raising corn crops. 

22 OPEC was continuing to tighten their grip on the 

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1 American consumer. We experienced major droughts in 

2 the corn belt in '83 and 1988. These two droughts were 

3 devastating to the ag economy. We lost millions of 

4 families and a whole younger generation to the farming 

5 depression. That also got rid of the excess crops at 

6 the time. 

7 Freedom to Farm was started in 1996, and that soon 

8 went -- though that train went off the tracks, costing 

9 the Federal Government more than $170 billion. It was 

10 middle-class welfare, and we had Fortune 500 companies 

11 receiving payments. It was a public relations train 

12 wreck. 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Mohr, could you please wrap it 

14 up? 

15 MR. MOHR: I will. Our days of Government 

16 payments were almost over with the enactment of the RFS 

17 in 2005 and in 2007. We need access to the market. 

18 The blenders credit was supposed to deliver the 

19 infrastructure. 

20 Our goal is a clean-burning renewable fuel, and 

21 that's why E15 needs the 1-pound waiver. 

22 I thank you for your time, and Iowa Corn looks 
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1 forward to working with the EPA on this. 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Mohr. Mr. Zylstra, 

3 please proceed. 

4 MR. ZYLSTRA: I am Roger Zylstra. I'm a grain and 

5 hog farmer from central Iowa and the current chairman 

6 of the Iowa Corn Growers Association. 

7 On behalf of the thousands of farmer members in 

8 the association, I thank you for the opportunity to be 

9 here today, but it is also on their behalf that it is 

10 critical that I speak against the Environmental 

11 Protection Agency's proposal to reduce ethanol use 

12 below the original statutory RFS volumes. 

13 So you might be asking what kind of effect will 

14 this proposed reduction have on me personally? With 

15 corn prices again well below the cost of production, my 

16 son, who started his farming career with me 2 years 

17 ago, will have as difficult a time as I did when I 

18 started in 1980. For years, no one wanted to come back 

19 to farming, and we encouraged our kids to leave our 

20 rural communities for better jobs and opportunities. 

21 Just as some opportunities for agricultural 

22 careers began to open, the door has now been slammed 

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1 shut with the proposal to lower the amount of ethanol 

2 used in our fuel in our country. By not following the 

3 original RFS requirements, you are allowing the 

4 petroleum industry to continue its stranglehold on the 

5 fuel system in our country. 

6 This is serious, as serious as anything I've dealt 

7 with in my 35 years farming. As a corn farmer, I see 

8 the ethanol market as a homegrown, value-added 

9 opportunity. As a hog feeder, I see the high-quality 

10 feed from ethanol production. 

11 It is a delicate balance today, and just one 

12 slight change can produce a domino effect that quickly 

13 brings down our rural economy, as we are currently 

14 witnessing. Just today, it was announced that Kinze 

15 Manufacturing in Iowa is reducing its workforce by 215 

16 people. 

17 This isn't just a corn issue. It is much larger 

18 than that. When farmers are squeezed, they aren't able 

19 to spend their money. The result is town square 

20 businesses close down, and soon communities are 

21 struggling to keep people in town and students in 

22 schools. 

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1 Please help my family keep our commitment to 

2 cleaner air and water and a future for our communities 

3 by maintaining the RFS as it was originally passed into 

4 law. 

5 Thank you. 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Bruce Rohwer is 

7 next. 

8 MR. ROHWER: I am Bruce Rohwer, farmer from 

9 Paullina, Iowa, past chairman of the Iowa Corn Growers 

10 Association. 

11 I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman and the EPA 

12 officials here today, for this opportunity to speak to 

13 this critical issue. 

14 America's farmers are an aging workforce. As 

15 such, we need to be economically able to bring in the 

16 next generation to farming. As we attempt to bring in 

17 the next generation of ethanol, the situation is 

18 similar. And to a certain extent, the two go hand-in19 hand. 

20 The recession of 2008 caused the value of the 

21 dollar to go near record lows. This enhanced export 

22 sales and increased the price of corn. The drought of 

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1 2012 reduced the carryover of corn supply, which pushed 

2 prices to record highs. 

3 During these periods of high prices, there was 

4 more than enough corn to produce enough ethanol to meet 

5 the prescribed levels of the RFS, as well as to meet 

6 other demand channels. The annual increase in the RVO 

7 has been met by the annual increase in the yield of our 

8 corn crop. 

9 Even though the corn price has been historically 

10 high, the RVO has been met with few exceptions during 

11 this time. Corn ethanol has been available to 

12 customers at a lower price compared to petroleum-based 

13 fuels. 

14 Over the past few years, the demand and higher 

15 price of corn has enabled a generous amount of economic 

16 activity on the part of U.S. farmers at a time that 

17 such activity was sorely needed in the U.S. economy. 

18 But demand for corn has been receding, starting with 

19 the drought in 2010 in the western parts of the 

20 country, which drastically reduced the beef cow herd. 

21 Last year, the spread of PED virus in the swine 

22 herd reduced corn consumption by hogs. This year, 
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1 avian flu has killed millions of turkeys and chickens, 

2 causing another blow to corn consumption. Exports 

3 continue to be unrestrained as the dollar exhibits 

4 strength against other currencies. 

5 The proposal to reduce the RVO for corn ethanol 

6 below statutory levels merely compounds that reduction 

7 in corn demand. We are in a situation where every 

8 reduction of demand adds to the oversupply and 

9 uncertainty. The proposal -- proposed reduction of the 

10 RVO is not necessary, as there is no shortage of corn 

11 ethanol, and the rise in corn prices was not an undue 

12 burden to the economy. 

13 Maintaining the inclusion rates of corn ethanol in 

14 the nation's fuel supply, as required by the RFS, will 

15 ensure a stable market for ethanol that will facilitate 

16 further development of the advanced biofuels like 

17 cellulosic ethanol. That is the next generation of 

18 ethanol production, which needs a sound economic 

19 environment in which to flourish. 

20 The advanced biofuels, in actuality, is no 

21 different than the next generation of farmers that are 

22 attempting to take their place in agriculture. Both 

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1 young farmers and new types of ethanol need a sound 

2 economic platform from which they can arise. 

3 Therefore, do not create a rule that will impede the 

4 next generation from taking their rightful place, 

5 whether that's the next-gen type of ethanol or the next 

6 generation of farmer. 

7 Thank you for your consideration of my comments. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Bowling, welcome. 

9 MR. BOWLING: Good morning. Good morning. My 

10 name is Chip Bowling. I'm a third-generation farmer 

11 operating a 1,400 acre grain farm, growing corn, 

12 soybeans, wheat, barley, and grain sorghum only an 

13 hour's drive south of our nation's capital in Newburg, 

14 Maryland. 

15 As someone who farms along the Chesapeake Bay, I 

16 know the importance of farming with high environmental 

17 standards, and I'm proud of the work we've done back 

18 home. I'm also proud to serve as president of the 

19 National Corn Growers Association, a national trade 

20 association that represents 42,000 dues-paying corn 

21 growers and the interests of more than 300,000 farmers 

22 who contribute to corn checkoff programs in their 

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1 States. 

2 The NCG's mission is simple. Create and increase 

3 the opportunities for corn growers, and that's what we 

4 did when we helped create the RFS. 

5 Of paramount importance to us right now is 

6 building demand for corn at a time when we're seeing 

7 record corn production. The drought of 2012, when corn 

8 production dropped by nearly 4 billion bushels and corn 

9 prices shot up, is a thing of the past. Back-to-back 

10 record crops in 2013 and 2014 have helped us refill our 

11 bins, but that came at a cost with the price of corn 

12 right now below the cost of production. 

13 Put simply, our farmers are great at growing corn, 

14 and lots of it. We're seeing yields in our national 

15 corn yield contest that outpace the national average 

16 significantly, even at 500 bushels an acre, and while 

17 being more environmentally sound, sustainable, and 

18 efficient. That's nearly triple the USDA reported 

19 national average. 

20 So we need to be even smarter when it comes to 

21 building demand. While this is a much harder job, 

22 we're up to the task, focusing on corn for ethanol, 

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1 exports, livestock feed, food, and new uses. An 

2 important part of this work, however, is protecting our 

3 existing markets, and that's why we're here today. We 

4 simply cannot afford and will not tolerate efforts to 

5 cut the demand for corn, and that's exactly what your 

6 proposal will do. 

7 We cannot let this stand. We've done our part. 

8 Our allies in the ethanol industry have done their 

9 part, and it's time for the EPA to side with those of 

10 us supporting a domestic renewable fuel that's better 

11 for the environment. It's what your mission seeks to 

12 do. 

13 As I close, I'd like to remind you that our 

14 growers and allies sent a clear signal when the 

15 proposal of 2014 changes were first issued in 2013. 

16 Nearly 200,000 people responded to the EPA in public 

17 comment. Nearly 10,000 farmers contacted the White 

18 House directly. 

19 We have never before seen so much grassroots 

20 interest in a particular issue. This concern and 

21 activism continues today, as you can clearly see. We 

22 will raise our voices loud as necessary in defense of 
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1 ethanol and the RFS. 

2 The many who came here today set aside important 

3 work back home. We should be home working. That's 

4 what we get paid to do. They're here because of what's 

5 at stake. They have seen the price they get for the 

6 grain go down and the cost of production go up. 

7 I stand with them and with the thousands who could 

8 not be here today to tell you one simple thing. Follow 

9 the law. Restore the proposed renewable volume 

10 obligations to the statutory amount so we can continue 

11 to grow a great renewable resource here at home. 

12 Thank you. 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Bowling. 

14 Next up we have Mr. Sandborn. Jeff, welcome. 

15 MR. SANDBORN: Good morning. My name is Jeff 

16 Sandborn, and I'm a fourth-generation farmer near 

17 Portland, Michigan. My great-grandfather grew up on a 

18 farm. My grandfather purchased the farm next to my 

19 farm in the '50s, and my dad continued farming until he 

20 passed away when I was in my early 20s. 

21 My passion for farming has led me to serve on both 

22 the Michigan and the National Corn Growers Association 

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1 over the years. Today, I serve as chair of the 

2 National Corn Growers Association Ethanol Committee. 

3 For America's corn farmers, ethanol has provided a 

4 critical boost and allowed us to help create a product 

5 that benefits consumers and communities, like my 

6 hometown of Portland, across the nation. The economic 

7 benefits of the renewable fuel standard have been 

8 enormous. 

9 The ethanol in Michigan is made in Michigan, using 

10 corn from local farms like mine, helping provide a 

11 boost to the agriculture economy at a time when corn 

12 prices are below the cost of production. Across 

13 Michigan, the RFS is responsible for pumping more than 

14 $1.1 billion back into our communities and creating 

15 more than 22,000 good jobs, many of them in small 

16 towns. 

17 I've seen firsthand how the RFS has revitalized 

18 rural Michigan, and I know rural areas in other States 

19 across the country have similar stories. We also take 

20 pride in knowing that corn grown in Michigan goes to 

21 make a product to boost our nation's energy security. 

22 Keep in mind the RFS was originally created as part of 

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1 our nation's response to 9/11, an effort to reduce our 

2 dependence on oil that comes from nations hostile to 

3 our freedom, our democracy, and our way of life. 

4 In that regard, the RFS has been an incredible 

5 success. Thanks to the RFS, more of our fuel comes 

6 from cornfields and ethanol facilities based in 

7 Michigan and across the nation, keeping economic 

8 benefits at home. And when farmers make a profit, they 

9 tend to spend it locally and do not send it overseas. 

10 In addition, the ethanol we help create is 

11 competition for the oil industry. It's bringing down 

12 prices and helping families save money at the pump. 

13 It's creating jobs and a cleaner environment in our 

14 State and across the nation. American-made ethanol 

15 provides incredible benefits for rural communities and 

16 consumers across the nation. 

17 The RFS lived up to its original intent as a 

18 policy to help the corn industry mature, and we can 

19 make even more progress in the years ahead. I keep 

20 getting more efficient at growing corn, and oil gets 

21 harder and harder to find. 

22 The RFS was never meant to limit ethanol to 10 

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1 percent of the fuel supply. It was meant to push 

2 higher blends of renewable fuel. Simple math will say 

3 when the RFS was written, Congress' intent was to go 

4 much higher than 10 percent, closer to 25 percent. 

5 I am concerned that the current proposal by the 

6 EPA falls short of the maximum possible commitment in 

7 terms of gallons blended into our fuels under RFS. I 

8 ask the EPA to restore the RVOs for each year to the 

9 statutory amount and maintain a strong methodology for 

10 calculating the amounts of biofuels blended in the U.S. 

11 For those of us in rural Michigan and families 

12 across America, policymakers' decisions on the RFS have 

13 real impact. 

14 Thanks for allowing me to testify. 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Barbre, 

16 welcome. 

17 MR. BARBRE: Thank you. 

18 My name is Martin Barbre. I'm a corn farmer from 

19 Carmi, Illinois, where I farm with my son, and I think 

20 you've heard a lot about farming with our sons so far. 

21 We grow field corn, white food-grade corn, soybeans, 

22 seed soybeans, wheat, grain sorghum, and alfalfa. It's 
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1 great to have my son farming, and building new markets 

2 for corn like ethanol helps farms have active roles for 

3 the next generation. 

4 I'm also proud to serve as chairman of the 

5 National Corn Growers Association. NCGA and its 48 

6 affiliate State associations and checkoff organizations 

7 work together to help protect and advance corn growers' 

8 interests. 

9 In January of 2014, when I served as president of 

10 NCGA, I submitted our organization's comments on the 

11 EPA's earlier proposal regarding the RVO numbers and 

12 methodology for 2014. What I shared still holds true 

13 today. 

14 The RFS is an important tool in the nation's 

15 effort to achieve cleaner fuels. Since the enactment 

16 of RFS2 in 2007, corn and corn ethanol production have 

17 increased in efficiencies, and it reduced greenhouse 

18 emissions faster than expected. 

19 At the same time, remarkably, the opposite has 

20 happened in the oil industry. Petroleum production 

21 practices have gotten worse, and I would also note I am 

22 involved in oil production as well. So I come from 

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1 both sides. 

2 Until the EPA proposed changes to the renewable 

3 volume obligation for 2014, the RFS was doing exactly 

4 what it was intended to do, driving adoption of 

5 domestic renewable fuels alternatives to petroleum, 

6 supporting jobs across the country, and ensuring the 

7 United States remains a global leader in developing new 

8 renewable energy sources while decreasing greenhouse 

9 gas emissions here at home. The EPA's proposal 

10 threatens these outcomes. 

11 At the same time, we are extremely concerned about 

12 the methodology behind your decision. The EPA only has 

13 the authority to issue a waiver while reviewing the 

14 RVOs if either the RFS would cause severe economic harm 

15 to the economy or to the environment. Or if there is 

16 an inadequate domestic supply. 

17 When it comes to ethanol, neither of these hold 

18 true. The so-called blend wall is coming down. E15 is 

19 becoming more and more available now in hundreds of gas 

20 stations across the country, and we are working and 

21 investing in programs to expand its availability even 

22 further. 

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1 We urge you not to penalize those of us who are 

2 doing our job, but to move quickly to ensure that the 

3 oil industry does its part to ensure that the 

4 infrastructure in place and renewable fuel is marketed 

5 as it is supposed to be. In fact, a report last year 

6 from the Renewable Fuels Association demonstrated 

7 clearly how the oil industry prevents and discourages 

8 retail gas stations from selling fuels with higher 

9 renewable content, like E15 and E85. 

10 Unbranded or independent stations are roughly 4 to 

11 6 times more likely to offer E85 and 40 times more 

12 likely to offer E15 than stations carrying a big 5 oil 

13 brand. We need to end this monopoly and continue our 

14 work to bring domestic renewable fuels to our gas 

15 tanks. 

16 Not only does our environment need renewable 

17 fuels, but consumers need the option at the pump to 

18 save their hard-earned dollars. While big oil argues 

19 that RINs have increased prices for consumers, their 

20 argument falls flat. 

21 RINs are free for refiners who purchase and blend 

22 required volumes of ethanol with gasoline. Only those 

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1 refiners who blatantly refuse to blend required ethanol 

2 volumes have a need to buy RINs on the open market. 

3 And in the highly competitive gasoline marketplace, 

4 there is no way they can pass those costs onto 

5 consumers and remain competitive. 

6 RINs are what makes the RFS work, driving 

7 infrastructure investment just as designed by Congress, 

8 and the proof is in the significant decline in RIN 

9 prices following your announcement in May. 

10 We urge the agency to restore the RVOs to statute 

11 and support this important piece of transformational 

12 energy policy. The continued health of the rural 

13 economy and the nation's environment hinges upon your 

14 decision. 

15 Thank you. 

16 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, and thank you, 

17 panel members, for traveling here today. Very valuable 

18 testimony. 

19 We're going to take a brief pause. We're honored 

20 to have several elected officials who will be up on the 

21 next panel. We urge the indulgence of the following 

22 panel to allow the Governors to speak. I'd be 
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1 grateful. 

2 So we are rounding them up now, and we will 

3 proceed as soon as the panel is constituted. So a 

4 brief recess, about 5 minutes. 

5 Thank you. 

6 (Recess.) 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: We're very honored to have the next 

8 panel join us today. Welcome, Governors. Governor 

9 Branstad, Governor Nixon, along with your colleagues, 

10 the Secretary of Agriculture from the State of Iowa, 

11 Secretary Northey, and the Director of Agriculture for 

12 the State of Missouri, Richard Fordyce. 

13 Welcome. Proceed. 

14 GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: Thank you very much. Great to 

15 be with you. 

16 Do you want me to just go ahead and start? 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: Please proceed as you have worked 

18 it out amongst yourselves. 

19 GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: Okay. Well, good morning. My 

20 name is Terry Branstad, and I have the honor of serving 

21 the people of Iowa as Governor. 

22 On August 15th of 2013, I and the Lieutenant 

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1 Governor had the honor of welcoming the new EPA 

2 Administrator Gina McCarthy to the Iowa State Fair to 

3 discuss with her the importance of renewable fuel and 

4 the renewable fuel standard, known as the RFS. That 

5 day, the price of corn was $6. This was August of 

6 2013. 

7 It has now fallen to, as of yesterday in southwest 

8 Iowa, $3.45 a bushel, well below the cost of 

9 production. And farm land values have started to drop 

10 as a result as well. We are the leading corn-producing 

11 State. We saw land values drop 15 percent last year, 

12 and they're continuing to decline. USDA estimates that 

13 farm income will decline 32 percent this year. 

14 Since 2013, I have participated in numerous 

15 meetings focused on the importance of a robust 

16 renewable fuel standard for a healthy economy here in 

17 rural America, in the heartland of this country. For 

18 example, in January 2014, Lieutenant Governor Kim 

19 Reynolds, Iowa Secretary of Agriculture Bill Northey, 

20 who is here with us today, and I and all the members of 

21 our congressional delegation hosted interested citizens 

22 and from people all across the Midwest, Republicans and 

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1 Democrats, for a hearing in the heartland. 

2 During that hearing, which was held in Des Moines, 

3 we had 83 individuals testify in support of a robust 

4 renewable fuel standard, and only 2 testified in favor 

5 of scaling back the RFS. I had hoped to welcome you 

6 all to Iowa for today's hearing, but I do appreciate 

7 the fact that you did choose a Midwestern location, and 

8 we are pleased to be here and get outside the beltway, 

9 where big oil's army of well-paid lobbyists seem to 

10 have so much undue influence. 

11 I've been -- 

12 (Applause.) 

13 GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: At least we don't have paid 

14 kids riding bicycles around here spewing out 

15 misinformation, as we had in the Virginia hearing. 

16 I've been a relentless supporter of biofuel since 

17 the 1970s when I served in the Iowa legislature, when 

18 we used to call it gasohol. It's truly incredible to 

19 see what this industry has done and how it's grown and 

20 the impact it's had and the diverse benefits it's 

21 provided to farmers in the Midwest, to rural 

22 communities, and to workers. 

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1 With a State that has 92,000 farmers, dozens of 

2 thriving international agribusiness companies, and a 

3 large variety of bioscience leaders, it's easy to see 

4 that growth is a result of the hard work and innovation 

5 of our farmers and the technology advancements that 

6 we've seen with the use of corn and soybeans and other 

7 biomass products. It's really been incredible to see 

8 this happen. 

9 There are many benefits that flow from the 

10 renewable fuel standard and the use of biofuels, 

11 including diversifying our nation's energy portfolio 

12 and reducing our dependency on overseas oil, reducing 

13 transportation fuel emissions, giving consumers choice 

14 at the pump, and helping grow family incomes in rural 

15 America. 

16 In fact, biofuels have enabled value-added 

17 opportunities for a variety of biostocks, including 

18 corn, cornstock, soybeans, and woody biomass. And 

19 renewable fuels have created high-paying jobs and 

20 rewarding careers in rural America. 

21 In the current RFS proposal, I recognize that the 

22 EPA has made some changes. For example, there are some 
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1 encouraging changes involving the volumes for 

2 biodiesel. Unfortunately, on the ethanol front, the 

3 agency seems to have bought big oil's faulty arguments 

4 hook, line, and sinker. Big oil has polluted the 

5 discourse with half-truths and a narrative that rewards 

6 their bad behavior by blocking market access to 

7 renewables. 

8 Can you imagine the people on the east coast and 

9 the west coast if they had the opportunity to buy fuel 

10 for $1.995, $1.999 as we did on the way down here with 

11 our flexible-fuel vehicle? By the way, I was the 

12 Governor that said the State of Iowa is going to have a 

13 fleet of E85 vehicles, and I'm proud we've had that 

14 since early '90s. 

15 The gas price at that same station was $2.95, and 

16 we bought E85 for $1.99. Do you know what they're 

17 paying for gas on the east coast and the west coast? I 

18 used to talk to my uncle all the time that lived in 

19 California. A lot of times, it's $3.50, $4.00 a 

20 gallon. And can you imagine if they had the kind of 

21 opportunity and access that we have? But big oil has 

22 blocked that. 

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1 The EPA's indecision for the last 2 years has led 

2 to market uncertainty, and it's hurt farmers, frozen 

3 investment in new-generation technology. My hope is 

4 that the EPA is open to improving the proposal much 

5 further and meeting the original congressional intent 

6 of significantly expanding the use of biofuels 

7 throughout the entire country, not just here in the 

8 heartland of America. 

9 The EPA has a choice. Protect the deep pockets of 

10 big oil or big oil and their monopolistic practices, 

11 and by God, they don't want to lose any more than 10 

12 percent of the market, which they've already lost. Or 

13 they can nurture consumer choice, renewable energy 

14 growth, and a healthy rural economy. 

15 Unless you advance the robust renewable fuel 

16 standard, you will constrain the growth of this rural 

17 economy, which, by the way, since the RFS passed, grew 

18 dramatically until 2013 and now has slowed down 

19 significantly. 

20 Obviously, this has a big impact on our family 

21 farms, our agribusinesses, and the biofuel industries 

22 that serve them. The citizens and the businesses are a 

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1 very important part of our rural fabric, and it's been 

2 part of the economic revitalization that we've 

3 experienced in the last decade. 

4 The proposed rule by the EPA would have a direct 

5 negative impact on our 42 Iowa ethanol plants, our 13 

6 biodiesel plants, and scores of other facilities 

7 throughout these other Midwestern States. It's 

8 estimated that a single EPA proposal would cost 

9 thousands of jobs nationally. That's thousands of 

10 families that would face undue financial hardship and 

11 stress. 

12 The EPA's indecision and proposed rule have 

13 negatively impacted land prices, farm machinery 

14 manufacturers, and rippled through America. Just 

15 yesterday, Kinze Manufacturing that makes corn planters 

16 and grain carts announced they're going to lay off 215 

17 people. John Deere has already announced they're 

18 laying off people. 

19 I was Governor during the farm crisis of 1980s, 

20 which brought incredible hardship. We closed 38 banks, 

21 land values dropped 63 percent, and I don't want to see 

22 a repeat of that disaster. 

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1 (Applause.) 

2 GOVERNOR BRANSTAD: After decade of efforts to 

3 reduce dependency on foreign oil, giving consumers 

4 choices at the pump, and increasing family income, the 

5 EPA's revised proposal would halt this great progress 

6 and success that we have seen. 

7 I find it ironic that big oil often attacked 

8 renewable fuels on environmental grounds through 

9 misinformation and half-truths. This from the same 

10 industry that was responsible for the MTBE debacle that 

11 poisoned groundwater on the east coast and the west 

12 coast, the 1989 Exxon Valdez, and the 2010 Deepwater 

13 Horizon oil spills. 

14 I hope that the EPA will use some good, what we 

15 would say Midwest common sense and continue the 

16 progress that's been made since 2005. 

17 The use of co-products, such as DDGs, are also 

18 very important to the growth of agriculture. DDGs are 

19 an excellent source of protein for cattle and other 

20 livestock and have resulted in a significant growth in 

21 cattle feeding here in the Midwest. 

22 States, including Iowa, and the Federal Government 
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1 are producing -- are providing incentives for 

2 investment in renewable fuel infrastructure. USDA has 

3 some incentives. We have some State incentives. 

4 Growth in E15, E85, and blender pumps have helped 

5 achieve the important goals set by the RFS, and we are 

6 exploring how we might be able to expand those efforts 

7 via the recently announced USDA infrastructure 

8 initiative. 

9 Retailers in Iowa know the importance of biofuels 

10 to our State's economy and have installed blender 

11 pumps, which have resulted in higher octane and lower 

12 cost for ethanol-blended fuels to consumers. And when 

13 the consumers have that choice, let me tell you, just 

14 like the guy I talked to in Lamoni, Iowa, today who was 

15 putting E85 in his pickup truck, just at the same time 

16 we were putting ours in, he was saying what a 

17 difference it's made and why he's able to get much 

18 lower-cost fuel. 

19 When consumers have the choice, as they do in 

20 Iowa, they choose ethanol and biofuels. The oil 

21 companies are preventing some of those efforts in other 

22 parts of the country, and consumers are forced to pay 

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1 much more for their fuel. 

2 In the past 18 months, there has been some 

3 encouraging studies and data that provide, I think, EPA 

4 with new information for why you ought to revise your 

5 proposal. I believe that EPA has an opportunity to 

6 refine your approach, including this data that shows 

7 there is more capacity to integrate biofuels into our 

8 nation's fuel supply and data that shows that RIN 

9 activity did not affect the price at the pump. 

10 You know, the baloney that came out in 2012 about 

11 food and fuel I think has been totally discredited. As 

12 the price of corn has dropped dramatically to less than 

13 half what it was, the price of food has gone up, not 

14 down. 

15 I look forward to hearing from fellow 

16 Midwesterners who embrace the choices at the pump and a 

17 robust renewable fuel standard. The EPA's decision 

18 will affect the lives of many people in my State of 

19 Iowa and throughout the entire Midwest, as well as 

20 consumers nationwide. 

21 I hope that the EPA show that -- shows 

22 Midwesterners that the Federal Government is not 

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1 abandoning its commitment to a robust renewable fuel 

2 standard that can make such a difference and has made 

3 such a difference in revitalizing rural America. 

4 I am hand delivering letters today from my 

5 Lieutenant Governor Kim Reynolds, from every member of 

6 our congressional delegation. And by the way, every 

7 single member of the Iowa General Assembly supported my 

8 recommendation for a resolution supporting a robust 

9 renewable fuel standard. That is every Democrat, every 

10 Republican in the house and the senate. 

11 They join me in urging President Obama and 

12 Administrator McCarthy to alter the EPA proposal to 

13 support a more robust and effective RFS as the EPA has 

14 in the past. 

15 Thank you for the opportunity. I'm proud to be 

16 here, and I'm proud to be a strong voice for the 

17 renewable fuel standard. Don't mess with the RFS. 

18 (Applause.) 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much, Governor 

20 Branstad. 

21 Governor Nixon? 

22 GOVERNOR NIXON: Good morning. I'm Jay Nixon, the 

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1 Governor of the "Show Me" State. 

2 I want to join Governor Branstad in thanking you 

3 for coming to the heartland. Once again, like him, he 

4 feels Iowa would have been better. I feel Missouri 

5 would have been better. And for those of you who know 

6 me pretty well, for me to go to Kansas, this is a big 

7 issue, okay? 

8 (Laughter.) 

9 GOVERNOR NIXON: But now to our friends in Kansas, 

10 we thank you for your leadership also on these issues. 

11 This is really important for America. 

12 So, and thank you for hosting this, and I'll be 

13 quick. And I thank Governor Branstad not only for his 

14 lifelong leadership, but also his advocacy among fellow 

15 Governors and other policy leaders in this country. 

16 There, quite frankly, is no better leader in these 

17 issues than Terry Branstad, and I tremendously 

18 appreciate your wise counsel and help to me as we move 

19 through these issues. 

20 Now here in the heartland, and especially in my 

21 State of Missouri, agriculture is the backbone of our 

22 economy, and the proof is in the numbers. Missouri has 
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1 more than 99,000 farms and 28.3 million acres of farm 

2 land. And agriculture directly employs more than a 

3 quarter million Missourians. 

4 We were talking just this morning. With the rain 

5 we've had and the slowness to get in the field with a 

6 bunch of crops this year, what a dramatic effect that 

7 could have in some ways on the economy of our State 

8 this year, and we're concerned. 

9 We have more than $12 billion in sales each year, 

10 and as a State, we're very diverse in agriculture. 

11 We're in the top 10 in corn, soybeans, cattle, hogs, 

12 cotton, rice, poultry, horses, and of course, number 

13 one in black walnuts. No need to have a renewable fuel 

14 standard for black walnuts. We're doing fine putting 

15 those in cakes, pies, and other sorts of treats. 

16 The men and women who have dedicated their lives 

17 to feeding, fueling, and clothing the world have made 

18 Missouri an agriculture powerhouse, and they continue 

19 to drive our State's economic growth, especially when 

20 it comes to corn. Last year, the 3.5 million acres of 

21 corn we planted in Missouri produced an economic value 

22 of more than $2.1 billion. 

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1 Each year, about 30 percent of Missouri's corn 

2 crop is turned into about 300 million gallons of 

3 ethanol, a renewable domestic energy source that fuels 

4 vehicles worldwide. I, like Governor Branstad, 

5 remember the days when policymakers were talking about 

6 these issues, 5, 10, 15 years ago. And everyone 

7 running for office, as we were lamenting our reliance 

8 on foreign oil and foreign fuel, when asked what their 

9 position was on where we should go said, "I'm for all 

10 of the above." 

11 And it was in that context of "all of the above" 

12 energy policy that the law was passed that we're 

13 talking about today. The law passed. 

14 Now a recent report from the University of 

15 Missouri found that Missouri's ethanol industry alone 

16 accounted for about $1.1 billion in economic output for 

17 our State, including about 1,500 jobs. But agriculture 

18 isn't just an important industry. It's an important 

19 part of our way of life. So when you hurt agriculture, 

20 you hurt families. 

21 Also when you ask agriculture to step up, and 

22 there's a lot of people in this room and a lot of 

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1 people through the Midwest that 15 or 20 years were 

2 stepping up in big ways, making investments, whether 

3 it's the private sector investments that were made in 

4 the ethanol production or the individual farm families 

5 that bought those shares in those co-ops in Missouri. 

6 Before anything got paid back, before anybody was 

7 saying anything, they were the first in the front of 

8 the line to say we are going to do our part in our 

9 communities to break us free from foreign oil and to 

10 keep us moving forward here. 

11 So, so when somebody will say what are you giving 

12 in this? All of those folks across all of our States -

13 - Iowa, Missouri, the entire Midwest -- our families, 

14 our farmers have not only started this, they have 

15 followed up. That's why we're committed to doing 

16 everything we can to keep Missouri farm families and 

17 rural communities moving forward. 

18 Unfortunately, as was said by my brethren from 

19 Iowa, I can't always say the same for what's done in 

20 Washington, D.C., or other parts of the country. The 

21 current proposal that we're dealing with here today 

22 continues to fail in significant ways to meet the 

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1 renewable fuel targets that are part of the law, you 

2 know? Just that simple. 

3 I mean, a law gets passed. It says here are the 

4 targets. And then regulations get passed or 

5 promulgated that say, well, part of that's good enough. 

6 That's not the way we play, especially in 

7 agriculture. You don't stop plowing 80 percent through 

8 the field, okay? We don't stop working at 80 percent 

9 of what's necessary. That's why this law was passed. 

10 The Energy Policy Act of 2005 established 

11 renewable fuel standards, including specific volume 

12 requirements, was intended to stimulate investment in 

13 renewable fuels so that we could have cleaner air and 

14 be less reliant on foreign oil. And as I said before, 

15 we invested big time with risk, okay? Not just -- no 

16 guarantees there. 

17 A lot of folks, as Governor Branstad said, I've 

18 been at many farms in my great State. I've been to 

19 many ethanol plants. We have a robust industry out 

20 there. And time after time after time, you saw those 

21 shares bought by those individual farmers because of 

22 you saw the infrastructure needs those communities for 
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1 the rail lines put in. There were significant 

2 investments. 

3 We all know the market targets of RFS act kind of 

4 as a ceiling in the market, when it should be a floor. 

5 And so, that's why this is so important, because you 

6 need that market out there. Everybody knows that. 

7 By setting the RFS below the congressional 

8 targets, the EPA caps the amount that will be produced. 

9 I mean, that's what happens. I mean, we're here in 

10 the Midwest. We're going to talk very, very directly 

11 and very straightly. That's what happens. 

12 I'm not sure "straightly" is a word, but -- 

13 (Laughter.) 

14 GOVERNOR NIXON: That's the great thing. That was 

15 the one great thing about having -- one of the things 

16 about having George Bush as President. You never -- 

17 you know? You should never misunderestimate how useful 

18 his use of the English language was to some of us. 

19 So straightly, we talk straightly, okay? 

20 (Laughter.) 

21 GOVERNOR NIXON: It is counterintuitive for the 

22 agency that is charged with enforcing the clean air 

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1 laws to impose a de facto limit on ethanol, a product 

2 which so clearly emits fewer greenhouse gases in the 

3 atmosphere. So the one agency that should be saying 

4 more is saying less. I mean, if you look at the 

5 mission of the agency. 

6 And that's what's so surprising in a way. Because 

7 we certainly get a number of I'll be kind, but also 

8 troubling is the fact that the EPA uses reasoning with 

9 dubious authority in imposing these lower limits. 

10 There is obviously going to be decisions made about 

11 that. 

12 But the Federal RFS allows a waiver only if the 

13 RFS would harm the economy or the environment. That's 

14 an important legal matter to remember here, okay? The 

15 RFS would -- you know, allows a waiver only if the RFS 

16 would harm the economy or environment. So they have a 

17 burden. 

18 And quite frankly, I'm not seeing how it's going 

19 to hurt our economy to produce cheaper, better, cleaner 

20 fuel, and it's certainly not going to hurt our 

21 environment to produce here in America, okay? 

22 (Applause.) 

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1 GOVERNOR NIXON: The second thing, and I don't 

2 speak for Iowa, but Iowa speaks loud, the EPA did the 

3 second standard is if there's an inadequate domestic 

4 supply. We have never failed to meet the requirements. 

5 We have never failed to deliver, ever. 

6 Every time I've asked the farmers of our State to 

7 deliver for America, they have been at the front of the 

8 line. And so, talking about inadequate domestic supply 

9 is just false. It's just that simple. 

10 EPA's proposed rule imposes lower ethanol targets 

11 based on conditions outside of what Congress intended 

12 when it gave the EPA the limited waiver authority, 

13 okay? This is a waiver from the law, okay, that we're 

14 talking about. 

15 We're not talking about going out and having to 

16 pass a new law or having to get the House and the 

17 Senate and Congress and the President to sign. We got 

18 the law. We need it enforced. 

19 EPA does not have the expertise or authority to 

20 lower the targets based on their perceived 

21 infrastructure needs, okay? That's up to us. We can't 

22 deliver, you know, and we're working with USDA and 

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1 others to make sure that we have that infrastructure. 

2 Our belief the participants will not comply. That is a 

3 slap in the face to farmers, at least in my State. 

4 We'll comply. We'll meet the -- we will deliver. 

5 Not to mention the Federal Government made a 

6 commitment to our farmers, and our farmers have worked 

7 hard to meet that commitment by growing the corn needed 

8 to keep up with the ethanol demands. 

9 Breaking that commitment now would hurt our 

10 economy, our rural communities, and our environment. 

11 Using more ethanol and less gasoline reduces greenhouse 

12 gases, decreases our dependency on foreign oil, keeps 

13 gas prices low, and supports rural communities. I'll 

14 debate anybody, anywhere in the world about that simple 

15 paragraph. 

16 Using more ethanol and less gasoline reduces 

17 greenhouse gases, decreases our dependency on foreign 

18 oil, keeps gas prices low, and supports rural 

19 communities. And quite frankly, everyone I've ever met 

20 in my life running for office have supported all four 

21 of those, okay, and everybody in office, okay? 

22 And this is -- we're at that moment. We're at the 
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1 cutting edge of what that really means right here. 

2 So we have made tremendous progress in the area of 

3 ethanol, and going backward is not an option. I 

4 guarantee you that when you make the -- when you set 

5 the RFS targets where Congress has set them, our hard6 working Missouri farmers and ethanol producers will hit 

7 that mark. I guarantee farmers and producers of the 

8 State of Missouri will hit the mark. I guarantee it, 

9 where you set that mark up there. 

10 We're not asking you to do something prohibited by 

11 Federal law. All we're asking is that you keep the 

12 commitments this country made to produce cleaner13 burning renewable fuels because if we can keep that 

14 promise and keep this commitment to cleaner fuel, we'll 

15 keep this important industry going strong, our air 

16 clean, and our economy moving forward. 

17 As Governor of Missouri and vice chair of the 

18 Governor's Biofuel Coalition, I join my friend Governor 

19 Branstad in requesting that you align these RFS targets 

20 with those that Congress intended. 

21 I want to thank everyone that's here today for 

22 looking at this issue, and I want to thank everybody 

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1 that's testifying. This outpouring of support here in 

2 the heartland is a small -- I mean having a hearing 

3 about an agriculture matter during the middle of 

4 agriculture season and still having to double the size 

5 of it and to have more people than you have seats is a 

6 clear sign of how passionate that we feel about this 

7 important national issue. 

8 I believe that as you examine the facts of this 

9 matter, you will arrive at the same conclusion that I 

10 and other Governors have. Breaking our commitment to 

11 rural communities is simply not an option. We must 

12 stay the course, keep our commitments, and work 

13 together to produce American-made ethanol, which will 

14 result in cleaner skies, a stronger economy, and a 

15 bright and more prosperous future for our farms, our 

16 families, and rural America. 

17 Thank you very much for the opportunity to be with 

18 you. 

19 (Applause.) 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Governor Nixon. 

21 We will keep the record open to allow Governor 

22 Brownback to comment on the venue. 

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1 (Laughter.) 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Secretary? 

3 MR. NORTHEY: Thank you. 

4 I'm Bill Northey, Secretary of Agriculture in 

5 Iowa, and I appreciate the opportunity to be able to 

6 speak with you today and also echo the thankfulness for 

7 all the folks who've taken time out of their busy day 

8 to be able to be here. 

9 You will hear from many of the folks that these 

10 two Governors have talked about, have personally 

11 invested, have been a part of this industry for 40 

12 years, making this all happen through thick and thin, 

13 and now we have another set of challenges to get 

14 through. 

15 Since its inception, EPA's mission has been to 

16 "work for a cleaner, healthier environment for the 

17 American people." Administrator McCarthy, prior to 

18 becoming head of EPA, led the Office of Water and 

19 Radiation, where she was responsible for, among other 

20 things, improving air quality and energy efficiency, 

21 and specifically pollution from vehicles and engines. 

22 So it baffles me why we are here today to try to 

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1 convince the agency to meet its mission. It baffles me 

2 why an Administrator of the EPA, who has an extensive 

3 background in air quality and energy efficiency, would 

4 slow progress on those efforts. It baffles me why big 

5 oil and special interests are allowed to continue to 

6 obstruct and misinform, threatening jobs in the 

7 American heartland, reducing economic activity, 

8 increase greenhouse gases, and increase dependency on 

9 foreign oil. 

10 It baffles me how EPA can claim constraints in 

11 supply of biofuels and limitations in the volume of 

12 ethanol and biodiesel, can be used when they alone 

13 control most of those limitations. I am baffled 

14 because the choice is so clear. If you stand by your 

15 mission, "a cleaner, healthier environment for the 

16 American people," then why not produce more renewable 

17 fuels? 

18 I also believe the EPA should consider, although 

19 it's probably not part of your consideration at this 

20 point, the 1-pound waiver for E15. That is holding the 

21 opportunity for that product to move forward the way it 

22 needs to. 
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1 If it is, as EPA claims, the ability of the market 

2 to respond to the production and infrastructure needs, 

3 then EPA should listen to the hundreds of people 

4 testifying today that they are ready to meet that 

5 challenge. EPA should also recognize the impact of the 

6 uncertainty they have caused through the indecision 

7 resulting in freezing growth and investment in 

8 renewable fuels infrastructure. 

9 We're here today talking about a target for 2014 

10 when that conversation should have happened 3 years ago 

11 and created all kinds of uncertainty that has limited 

12 the opportunity to grow when we had huge growth 

13 opportunities the last few years, and it still hasn't 

14 been fixed in the new numbers. 

15 In 2005, Congress set forward an achievable goal 

16 of 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022. The 

17 White House Web site states biofuels is a key component 

18 of President Obama's "all of the above" energy strategy 

19 and play an important role in reducing Americans' 

20 dependence on foreign oil. 

21 Congress and the President agree on the importance 

22 of an aggressive energy policy that results in a 

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1 cleaner environment and more American-produced oil. 

2 Yet through the EPA's inaction, they have slowed that 

3 progress. And now with the newly proposed levels, our 

4 country will take another step back in those efforts. 

5 I'm here today representing thousands of Iowa 

6 farmers who produce the crops used to make renewable 

7 fuels, thousands of livestock producers who feed high8 quality DDGs, and 62,000 Iowans with jobs connected to 

9 renewable fuels. And the communities across Iowa that 

10 benefit from the production of renewable fuels. 

11 Fuels that provide jobs for Americans, revitalize 

12 the rural economies, and reduce greenhouse gases. 

13 Please don't underestimate the ingenuity and 

14 determination of the hard-working people in the 

15 countryside. If EPA removes regulatory uncertainty and 

16 clears the way for expansion, I believe the renewable 

17 fuels industry will meet the RFS volumes established by 

18 Congress. 

19 A robust RFS will economically benefit consumers, 

20 communities, and farmers, all while resulting in a 

21 cleaner, healthier environment for the American people. 

22 Thank you. 

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1 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. 

2 (Applause.) 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Director, welcome. 

4 MR. FORDYCE: Thank you. 

5 Well, when you are the fourth to speak on a panel 

6 of four, sometimes there's not much left to be said, 

7 but I'm going to give a stab at it. 

8 First of all, I'd like to say that it is an honor 

9 to appear on a panel with Governor Nixon and Governor 

10 Branstad and my counterpart from Iowa, Secretary 

11 Northey. The leadership that these gentlemen display 

12 every day when it comes to not only this issue, but a 

13 host of others is unquestioned. 

14 I'm sitting here, I guess, today wearing two hats. 

15 The first hat being that of the Director of the 

16 Missouri Department of Agriculture, and my charge every 

17 day is to promote and protect agriculture and the 

18 agriculture producers in Missouri. 

19 Secondly, as a farmer from Harrison County -- 

20 that's in northwest Missouri -- I'm a corn, soybean, 

21 and cattle producer, that that is my livelihood. That 

22 is what I do. And that's what my family does, and 

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1 that's what all of my neighbors do in Harrison County. 

2 The renewable fuel standard certainly when it came 

3 into law was a game changer. It was a game changer for 

4 crop farmers across the board, and it was a game 

5 changer for rural economies. 

6 Just, and we've heard the numbers. We've seen the 

7 numbers, and I'm sure you'll hear them again about the 

8 economic impact that renewable fuels brings to our 

9 rural communities. Not only in Missouri, but all 

10 across the Midwest. It's critical. 

11 You know, we've heard about meeting the demand. 

12 And I can tell you, having been a part of the soybean 

13 industry and the corn industry most of my adult life, 

14 that advances in technology in corn and soybeans have 

15 allowed Missouri producers and Midwestern producers to 

16 produce ample amounts of corn to satisfy -- satisfy 

17 what I would like to see as the original limits. 

18 The ability -- as Governor Nixon said, the ability 

19 for our Missouri producers to meet that demand is 

20 unquestioned. I have no doubt that they can do it. 

21 I was in Madison, Wisconsin, yesterday at noon, 

22 and I drove down here from Madison, Wisconsin. And all 
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1 across Wisconsin, Iowa, and all the way through 

2 Missouri, the corn crop looks fantastic. 

3 The corn crop looks fantastic in a year when we've 

4 had some weather challenges. That, in itself, should 

5 speak to the ability of Missouri and Midwestern corn 

6 producers and ag producers to meet -- meet the demand. 

7 I know that if we -- in Missouri, for example, 

8 about 300 million gallons are produced in 6 ethanol 

9 plants. If the EPA were to reinstate original limits, 

10 as intended by Congress, I know that that industry in 

11 Missouri, and that's all I can speak for is Missouri, 

12 is poised for growth. They will absolutely, absolutely 

13 meet those limits. 

14 Again, I thank everyone who's here. In the 

15 parking lot, there are displays. There are folks here 

16 supporting. There is going to be a lot of people here 

17 today. There are people here supporting the RFS and 

18 the limits that Congress initially intended. 

19 Thank you. 

20 (Applause.) 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Thank you 

22 very much. We're really honored to have you here today 

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1 to tell us what you think. 

2 Thank you for not holding back. 

3 (Laughter.) 

4 (Pause.) 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Ladies and gentlemen, we're going 

6 to take a 5-minute recess right now. We'll begin in 5 

7 minutes. 

8 Thank you. 

9 (Recess.) 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Could I have Panel 9 make their way 

11 up to the on-deck circle over there, as things go 

12 along? And we'll go ahead and start with, I guess, 

13 Charles Norris? 

14 MR. NORRIS: Good morning. My name is Charlie 

15 Norris, a corn and soybean farmer from Cerro Gordo 

16 County in north central Iowa, and I am one of the 

17 family farmers and ethanol investors that Governor 

18 Branstad spoke of. 

19 I want to thank EPA for coming to the Midwest to 

20 hear from those who are directly affected by the 

21 decisions by EPA and this administration. I serve on 

22 the board of directors for the Iowa Farm Bureau, and 

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1 I'm here today on behalf of our 159,000 member 

2 families. 

3 As a farmer, I have seen firsthand how homegrown 

4 domestic biofuels production has resulted in economic 

5 gains for my operation and for rural communities across 

6 the State of Iowa. Currently, Iowa leads the nation in 

7 biofuels production. In 2014, Iowa produced a record 

8 3.9 billion gallons of clean-burning ethanol, 

9 accounting for roughly 27 percent of the country's 

10 production. 

11 Iowa also produced 227 million gallons of 

12 biodiesel. We are home to 43 ethanol refineries, 2 of 

13 which are state-of-the-art cellulosic ethanol 

14 facilities. Biofuel refiners in Iowa and across the 

15 country have created essential markets for the corn and 

16 soybeans I grow on my farm. 

17 Following two consecutive record years for corn 

18 production and another good year in the works, the 

19 price of corn is far below the cost of production and 

20 may remain there for several years. Now is not the 

21 time to stray away from the commitment of the RFS as it 

22 was passed by Congress. 

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1 This proposed rule decreases the demand and 

2 further harms the economic outlook for my operation and 

3 operations like mine across Iowa and the country. We 

4 need to maintain a strong RFS that follows the intent 

5 of the law that was passed by Congress. 

6 Unfortunately, the EPA is now using the lack of 

7 infrastructure as an excuse for setting biofuels levels 

8 lower than originally mandated. The EPA should not 

9 call the difficulties associated with blending higher 

10 than 10 percent a blend wall and then call that a 

11 supply issue. 

12 The renewable fuels industry has more than enough 

13 capacity to produce in excess of the volumes that were 

14 specifically laid out in the law. EPA's rationale for 

15 this proposed rule is based on a flawed methodology 

16 that will never allow biofuels to exceed approximately 

17 10 percent of the market share. This flies in the face 

18 of the law's intent to push infrastructure investments 

19 to increase market access for biofuels. 

20 Consumers will always pick the best and most 

21 affordable option at the fuel pump. The clean-burning 

22 domestic biofuels, which have lower emissions, higher 
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1 octane, and a lower price at the pump, will be the 

2 choice of consumers if higher blends are allowed market 

3 access. 

4 The RFS has already met and surpasses all of its 

5 intended goals, and the EPA should continue to follow 

6 the volumes specified in the law. The RFS is good for 

7 farmers, good for the environment, good for jobs and 

8 the economy, good for rural communities, and good for 

9 consumers' pocketbooks. 

10 Do not cave to protectionists who seek to close 

11 off competition by blocking market access and limiting 

12 consumer choice. Uphold the intent of the RFS and 

13 revise its proposed rule. 

14 Thank you. 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Rudnicki? 

16 MR. RUDNICKI: Thank you for this opportunity to 

17 have this conversation with you. 

18 I'm Tim Rudnicki, executive director of the 

19 Minnesota Biofuels Association. 

20 "We must not make a scarecrow of the law, setting 

21 it up to fear the birds of prey and let it keep one 

22 shape until custom make it their perch and not their 

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1 terror." The EPA's proposed renewable volume 

2 obligations come nearly 412 years after Shakespeare 

3 wrote those words in "Measure for Measure." Here's the 

4 connection to the situation we face today. 

5 Congress, after much deliberation, crafted the 

6 renewable fuel standard. It has been the law of the 

7 land for 8 years. It was established with the 

8 unequivocal purpose of moving us as a nation away from 

9 finite, carbon-intensive fossil fuels, petroleum, and 

10 onto a changing incremental pathway toward greater use 

11 of biofuels made from renewable ingredients. 

12 The EPA's consistent refusal to fully adhere to 

13 and implement the black letter renewable volume 

14 obligations has given the renewable fuel standard one 

15 shape, the shape of a bogus, fictitious blend wall, 

16 which has become the petroleum industry's perch rather 

17 than its terror. 

18 While the EPA cites lack of infrastructure as an 

19 excuse to backslide on the RVOs, the agency ignores 

20 reality and sends a conflicting message to stakeholders 

21 in the fuel supply chain. The EPA, however, can get it 

22 right this time. Adhere to the law and reckon with the 

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1 infrastructure facts in the field. 

2 According to findings from the National Renewable 

3 Energy Laboratory, most existing fuel storage and 

4 dispensing infrastructure can already handle up to 15 

5 percent blend of ethanol and 85 petroleum gasoline. 

6 Nearly 9 out of 10 vehicles on the road today can use 

7 E15, 5 percent more ethanol than currently in regular 

8 gasoline, and that's been the case since 2012. 

9 But here we are today. The EPA has the 

10 opportunity to get it right, and we all have the 

11 opportunity to replicate effective models to get the 

12 job done. 

13 Using the results of independent studies and with 

14 the expectation that the EPA will uphold the RVOs, 

15 Minnesota legislators worked to craft a bill to 

16 introduce an additional 160 million gallons of ethanol 

17 into the fuel supply chain. And Governor Dayton 

18 recently signed the bill into law, and it would assist 

19 a limited number of retailers in making appropriate 

20 low-cost adjustments to their fuel-dispensing equipment 

21 so they can offer E15 to consumers. 

22 This action, especially if replicated across the 

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1 country, would help us to meet or exceed the RVOs and 

2 provide significant environmental benefits. And just 

3 to provide a bit of Minnesota context, Dr. Mueller with 

4 the University of Illinois-Chicago determined that the 

5 additional 5 percent ethanol in the Minnesota fuel 

6 supply alone will further reduce greenhouse gas 

7 emissions by 358,000 metric tons annually. And that's 

8 equivalent to taking about 75,368 vehicles off the 

9 highways for a year. 

10 To sustain this progress, to the EPA we say change 

11 your custom and practice. Don't roll back the 

12 renewable volume obligations at this time. Instead, 

13 maintain and enforce the renewable volume obligations 

14 in the law. 

15 EPA's adherence to the law will give all of us the 

16 certainty we need in Minnesota and across this nation 

17 to continue making the necessary local policy and 

18 equipment adjustments to fulfill the letter and the 

19 intent of the renewable fuel standard. 

20 Thank you. 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Ms. Lin? 

22 MS. LIN: My name is Janine Lin, and I live in 
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1 Davis, California. I'm a research scientist working at 

2 a global company called Novozymes. 

3 Novozymes vision is to find biological solutions 

4 for better life in a growing world. We have brought 

5 breakthroughs in renewable fuel technologies to market. 

6 I'm testifying in support of the renewable fuel 

7 standard. I support a strong Federal RFS because 

8 increasing domestic renewable fuel leads to lower 

9 greenhouse gas emissions, ensure market access to 

10 cheaper, clean, low-carbon alternatives to oil, and, as 

11 in my case, created more American jobs. 

12 In the recently proposed rule for 2014, '15, and 

13 '16, the EPA has proposed reducing the oil industry's 

14 obligation to blend renewable fuels in gasoline. The 

15 proposal directly contradicts the EPA's other efforts 

16 to reduce greenhouse gas emission. 

17 If finalized, the proposal would increase 

18 greenhouse gas emission by almost 10 million metric 

19 tons, the same effect as putting 2.1 million more cars 

20 on the road. It also pulls the rug out from under the 

21 American workers, such as me, who have built the 

22 biofuel industry. 

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1 Renewable biofuels are the cleanest and most 

2 sustainable liquid transportation fuels in the world, 

3 and the United States is currently the leading 

4 producer. These fuels are available today because of 

5 the RFS. 

6 Novozymes is devoted to developing technology that 

7 would enable a more sustainable bio-based economy using 

8 renewable products rather than petroleum. We started 

9 this effort 15 years ago. Since 2000, we have put 150 

10 scientists globally to develop technology to enable the 

11 cellulosic ethanol industry. It's the largest effort 

12 in our R&D history, demonstrating our commitment to 

13 build this industry. 

14 Besides our own investment, we also receive 

15 Government funding from Department of Energy in a total 

16 of $28 million since 2000. Our R&D site in Davis, 

17 California, grew from 35 to 100 people, largely due to 

18 the RFS and the Federal investment in biofuels. 

19 I personally started involved in this effort since 

20 2007. It was a difficult project at the time because 

21 technology wasn't cost effective. With a sense of 

22 pride and tremendous hard work, we made significant 

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1 scientific breakthroughs and now the technology is 

2 here. You can see the results in the cellulosic plants 

3 that have come online now. 

4 It will be deflating to have solved the technology 

5 barriers and solve the infrastructure barriers only to 

6 see the industry stalled by policy instability around 

7 renewable fuels. In the final rule, the EPA should 

8 require obligated parties to comply with the law by 

9 blending increasing volumes of renewable fuels. 

10 Please support American jobs, a cleaner 

11 environment, and greater national security. Please 

12 support a stable RFS. The RFS works. 

13 Thank you. 

14 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Faller? 

15 MR. FALLER: Good morning. My name is Jeff 

16 Faller, and I live in Platte City, Missouri, and I'm 

17 testifying in support of the renewable fuel standard. 

18 And I hope you'll consider my comments when making your 

19 decision. 

20 For 16 years, I've led Novozymes sales efforts in 

21 the biofuel industry. Today, I pose two questions for 

22 the panel. 

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1 Are we playing to win? That is, to hit the RFS2 

2 targets by using our collective ingenuity and best 

3 efforts. Or are we just playing to play, giving lip 

4 service to the RFS, foot dragging, and thereby avoiding 

5 the changes that are necessary to comply with the law? 

6 Let's look at what the EPA Web site says about the 

7 purpose of the RFS. "The EISA increased the volume of 

8 the renewable fuel required to be blended into 

9 transportation fuel from 9 billion gallons in 2008 to 

10 36 billion gallons by 2022. And RFS2 lays the 

11 foundation for achieving significant reductions of 

12 greenhouse gas emissions from the use of renewable 

13 fuels, for reducing imported petroleum, and encouraging 

14 the development and expansion of our nation's renewable 

15 fuel sector." 

16 This visionary energy policy sets the path for us 

17 to follow. It has bold, winning aspirations. Reduce 

18 greenhouse gas emissions, reduce imported petroleum, 

19 and encourage development and expansion of our nation's 

20 renewable fuel sector. 

21 How are any of these objectives not good for 

22 America? To get to 36 billion gallons of fuel, the 
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1 framers of the law surely envisioned that we, as 

2 consumers, as the petroleum and biofuel industry, as 

3 auto manufacturers, and as governmental and regulatory 

4 agencies, would do things differently than we were 

5 doing in 2007 when the RFS was enacted. 

6 RFS2 did not lay out all of the specifics of how 

7 we would go about achieving this winning aspiration, 

8 but the RFS2 is clear. Thirty-six billion gallons by 

9 2022. 

10 Ten years ago, RFS1 set initial targets for 

11 biofuel blending. Eight years ago, RFS2 set increased 

12 targets. These targets are no surprise. Everyone has 

13 had the opportunity to invest and commit to these 

14 targets. 

15 In the final rule, the EPA should require 

16 obligated parties to comply with the law by blending 

17 increased volumes of renewable fuels. Please support 

18 the RFS. The RFS works. 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Abby Bertz, are you 

20 next? 

21 MS. BERTZ: Good morning. I am Abby Bertz. I 

22 live in Mayview, Missouri, and am an active member in 

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1 the FFA, where I currently serve as Area 6 president. 

2 Today, in previous panels we have heard a lot 

3 about sons coming back to the farm. But also important 

4 to remember are the financially healthy farms bringing 

5 daughters back as well. 

6 I am speaking in support of the renewable fuel 

7 standard, and I hope you will consider my comments when 

8 making your decision. 

9 We need a renewable replacement to fossil fuels 

10 that will keep our economy standing strong and protect 

11 the family budget. The ethanol industry supports the 

12 consumer, industrial manufacturing, grain producers, 

13 transporters, and companies leading technological 

14 advancements to further prove and enhance this 

15 renewable fuel. 

16 For every 100 million gallons produced, 2,000 jobs 

17 are created. According to the Energy Future Coalition, 

18 the U.S. saw a $16.8 billion economic impact in our 

19 nation's gross domestic product this past year due 

20 solely to the production of ethanol. 

21 As a child of parents that both contribute to the 

22 ethanol, grain, and livestock industries, I see 

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1 firsthand the jobs the industry supports. If our 

2 country's families can find jobs within the industry 

3 and take advantage of the cost-effective resource, we 

4 will, in turn, see economic relief and economic 

5 expansion due to a higher disposable income, ultimately 

6 saving consumers. 

7 The benefits of ethanol span further than just the 

8 economy. It also includes a positive impact on our 

9 environment. With a society that seems to understand 

10 the value of sustaining our planet, it is interesting 

11 that the idea of gasoline alternatives aiding in 

12 environmental progress often goes overlooked. 

13 Ethanol serves as a high-octane, high-performing 

14 fuel. Ethanol emits 51 percent fewer greenhouse gases 

15 than gasoline and 34 percent fewer carbon dioxin 

16 emissions, as studied by the Renewable Fuels 

17 Association. With ethanol, we can breathe easier. 

18 Know you're using a cleaner, high-performing fuel. 

19 In today's society, we are all looking for better 

20 alternatives and new technologies. With the reliable, 

21 renewable raw material source grown in every State, 

22 ethanol is a 100 percent made in the USA product. 

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1 I firmly believe in a product that supports our 

2 local growers, continues to decrease fuel cost, is 

3 environmentally friendly, and supports job growth. An 

4 industry that supports us all is surely one to embrace. 

5 I strongly support a stable RFS and ask that you 

6 change the final proposal to comply with the existing 

7 law. The RFS works for America and American families. 

8 Thank you. 

9 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Laura? 

10 MS. WILLIS: Hi. My name is Laura Willis, and I 

11 live in Salem, Virginia. I'm a scientist working at 

12 Novozymes. 

13 I am testifying in support of the renewable fuel 

14 standard, and I hope you will consider my comments when 

15 you make your final decision. 

16 I support a strong Federal RFS because increase in 

17 domestic renewable fuel will help lower greenhouse gas 

18 emissions, create more jobs for Americans, and in turn 

19 strengthen our national security. It will also set an 

20 example for others to follow, as an American commitment 

21 to renewables will speak loudly to the rest of the 

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1 Last year, I received my master's degree in food 

2 science and starting working at Novozymes, which is a 

3 company that has made a point to invest in technologies 

4 that will make a positive impact on our planet, which 

5 includes biofuels. These investments have generated 

6 significant growth, and there have been many new hires 

7 since I started in November, including more 

8 enthusiastic young graduates. 

9 It is exciting to be able to work towards 

10 improving technologies that will help our planet after 

11 growing up amid constant news about the problems caused 

12 by greenhouse gas emissions and our frightening 

13 dependence on nonrenewable fuel sources. 

14 Renewable biofuels are, as Janine said, the 

15 cleanest and most sustainable liquid transportation 

16 fuel in the world, and the U.S. is currently the 

17 leading producer. And these fuels are available today 

18 because of the RFS. 

19 I would also like to mention the other people that 

20 are affected by the unstable RFS, people that may not 

21 be as fortunate as myself and all of us here to come to 

22 this hearing. These people are hard working, and they 

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1 want a better future for both themselves and America. 

2 These people are like my older brother, who is a 

3 pipefitter in my hometown in Indiana, who was laid off 

4 for 2 years because an ethanol plant being built in our 

5 hometown was shut down before it even finished. It 

6 closed because of the lack of commitment given to 

7 creating a stable RFS. 

8 As a recent graduate with the opportunity for 

9 working for a company invested in biofuel, I can attest 

10 that a stable RFS gives us hope for a better, cleaner 

11 future. A stable RFS will not only work, but provide 

12 work for others. 

13 The Environmental Protection Agency should live up 

14 to its name and help protect the environment from the 

15 proven damages of reliance on nonrenewables. The EPA 

16 should require obligated parties to comply with the law 

17 by blending increasing volumes of renewable fuels. 

18 Please support American jobs. Please support our 

19 planet. Please support a stable RFS. The RFS works. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much, Panel 7. And if 

21 we could have then Panel 9 make their way up, and Panel 

22 11 make their way at your leisure, I guess, into the 

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1 on-deck circle. 

2 (Pause.) 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: It doesn't matter. I've got an 

4 order here, but -- 

5 (Laughter.) 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Why don't we go ahead 

7 with -- oops, with Steve Wilcox? 

8 MR. WILCOX: My name is Steve Wilcox, and I am the 

9 CEO, a majority stockholder of a family-owned petroleum 

10 distribution business with 63 years of existence based 

11 in the State of Washington. As an independent 

12 petroleum marketer, I am -- I buy from 20 different 

13 suppliers and distribute to over 7,000 resellers and 

14 end-users in four western States. 

15 In 2008, I became a partner with a substantial 

16 personal investment -- I'm a stockholder, board of 

17 director member -- in a startup company called U.S. 

18 Ethanol. My part of the business plan was to establish 

19 50 to 75 E85 retail pumps among the 180 retail stations 

20 that I owned or supplied. 

21 We created an image, a logo, which were both 

22 trademarked. I started a test of nine locations with 

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1 E85. One along the Washington coast, one at a Pacific 

2 Pride cardlock convention, one a totally rebranded 

3 alternative fuel station, three were with Shell-branded 

4 stations, and three with Texaco-branded stations. 

5 The effort received very favorable press, and we 

6 won a beautification award from Cowlitz County. I was 

7 excited to be on the cutting edge and sold my Chevrolet 

8 diesel pickup with 60,000 miles and bought a new 

9 Avalanche flex-fuel vehicle. 

10 The station had a grand opening, and we placed ads 

11 in the paper and on the radio and priced E85 below all 

12 other gasoline in the county. We had a good amount of 

13 traffic and pumped 20,000 gallons a month right away. 

14 However, the bubble burst quickly. Sales stopped 

15 growing and then began to decline. The mileage was a 

16 big factor, as the lower BTUs caused a 25 percent 

17 reduction in mileage. 

18 Even with the street price 25 percent lower, our 

19 sales started to fall. The inconvenience of having to 

20 fill up more often was a big drawback. Mileage was 

21 even worse on my Avalanche, getting just 11.4 miles per 

22 gallon in city driving versus 16 miles per gallon with 
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1 E10. 

2 City fire marshals were not willing to permit E10 

3 pumps converted and tanks to E85. I seemed to be the 

4 only marketer that was placing E85 pumps in the State, 

5 and therefore, they were too far apart. 

6 On our flagship station in 2008, our peak month 

7 was 21,000 gallons. In 2010, we were down to 7,000 

8 gallons per month, and this year we are pumping 700 

9 gallons a month. All locations experienced the same 

10 experience or worse. 

11 Quickly, the product was removed from the Pacific 

12 Pride cardlock and the branded stations took E85 out of 

13 service and replaced it with low-sulfur highway diesel 

14 fuel. I have two stations still pumping E85. Airport 

15 Texaco, which is located along I-5, pumped 1,469 

16 gallons in May, and the Longview Alternative Fuel 

17 Station pumped 697 gallons of E85 in May. 

18 There is little public demand for the product and 

19 still a very small percentage of flex-fuel vehicles on 

20 the road in our county. Other issues that may have -- 

21 that make this product difficult for a marketer like us 

22 to sell on the wholesale level is that ethanol-approved 

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1 tanks and piping and dispensers are very expensive. If 

2 an existing tank and its piping are not compatible, 

3 putting in E85 is cost prohibitive. 

4 We believe there's a lot of liability to the 

5 marketer and retailer. Many people are not aware if 

6 they have a flex-fuel vehicle and will put E85 in a 

7 nonflex vehicle. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: If you could -- 

9 MR. WILCOX: There's also liability of the leaks 

10 of gasket material if not compatible, especially in 

11 used equipment. 

12 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Wilcox, if you could wrap up 

13 quickly, please? 

14 MR. WILCOX: No one has tried harder in the 

15 Northwest than I to make E85 work. The ethanol plant 

16 was never built. E85 has proven to be very hard to 

17 sell and even when priced well below E10. 

18 Thank you. 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. Paige Anderson, 

20 please? 

21 MS. ANDERSON: Thank you for the opportunity to 

22 provide comments on the proposed RFS volume mandates 

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1 for 2014, 2015, and 2016. 

2 My name is Paige Anderson, and I'm with the 

3 National Association of Convenience Stores. NACS will 

4 be submitting joint written testimony with the Society 

5 of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America, but I 

6 briefly would like to summarize a couple points from 

7 our retailers' perspective. 

8 First of all, I want to provide a quick industry 

9 profile. In 2014, there were over 127,000 convenience 

10 stores that sold motor fuels. We sell over 80 percent 

11 of the motor fuels in the United States. 

12 Eighty-six percent of these retailers have 10 

13 stores or less. Sixty percent of these stores are 

14 single store operators. So NACS represents both the 

15 larger chains, but also mid-size, and definitely 

16 predominantly, we're single store and small store 

17 operators. 

18 Our sole objective on the part of our retailers is 

19 to sell fuels that their customers want to buy. They 

20 want to be able to sell fuels lawfully with minimal 

21 volatility and risk, especially with new fuels. The 

22 concept of "build it, and they will come" just does not 

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1 apply in our industry. 

2 Our folks are essentially agnostic when it comes 

3 to fuel type. They just want to sell what the consumer 

4 wants to buy. 

5 With respect to the EPA proposal, first of all, 

6 thank you for all the hard work that you've provided. 

7 We think, NACS believes that you've provided a balanced 

8 approach and took all stakeholders' views into 

9 consideration. So we support this draft proposal and 

10 hope that it becomes final by November. 

11 The one element that we definitely appreciate is 

12 when you viewed supply and took into consideration 

13 market conditions, which is what needs to happen, and 

14 to bring the volumes that were in statute in line with 

15 the market realities of what's happening. You didn't 

16 look just at production supply. You actually are 

17 trying to look at what the market can absorb, and 

18 that's really the most important thing that can happen 

19 in this proposal is what can the market reasonably 

20 absorb? 

21 One of our concerns in going forward is that if 

22 E85 is the predominant fuel to actually meet the 
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1 statute obligations, there still remains some 

2 challenges in having higher blends of ethanol. Other 

3 witnesses are going to talk about equipment 

4 compatibility, misfueling liability issues. There are 

5 still pricing issues on the part of E85 because people 

6 have to refuel so much. 

7 You can't just look at a gallon-by-gallon, one 

8 fill-up matching one fill-up. You have to look at the 

9 -- you have to take into consideration that you're 

10 going to be filling up more. 

11 The expense of, you know, looking forward, you 

12 know, the reality is it's going to be our larger 

13 producers, and it's going to be those folks that are 

14 looking at new sites and putting in new equipment that 

15 are going to be able to meet the compatibility and the 

16 liability requirements. 

17 Because of those barriers, it may be overly 

18 optimistic to assume that E85 is going to be the 

19 panacea in being able to meet future volumes. So we 

20 look forward to the fact that if you continue to look 

21 at what the market can reasonably absorb, then we're 

22 not going to get into trouble with a blend wall or 

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1 other issues. 

2 And we also want you to look at driver 

3 demographics. The fact of it is people are driving 

4 less, partially because of CAFE standards and other 

5 improvements. Drivers are older. The younger 

6 millennials we're seeing are not getting their driver's 

7 licenses as soon as -- you know, we used to want to get 

8 it at 16. Now they want to get it at 20. 

9 So with the fact that the consumers are driving 

10 less, that's going to be another factor to take into 

11 consideration. And finally, looking at flex-fuel 

12 vehicles, with the tax credit going away, there may be 

13 less incentive to purchase that. 

14 Our retailers are going to go to the highest 

15 concentration of registrations where there's flex-fuel 

16 vehicles. That's where they're going to build E85 

17 stations and E15 and higher blends of ethanol. 

18 But all in all, we support the proposal. We're 

19 going to go in more detail in our written testimony on 

20 these, and thank you for all the hard work that you're 

21 doing on this. 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Leone? 

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1 MR. LEONE: Good morning. My name is Ron Leone. 

2 I'm the executive director of the Missouri Petroleum 

3 Marketers and Convenience Store Association. I'm here 

4 today as a representative of the Petroleum Marketers 

5 Association of America, and it's my understanding that 

6 they have submitted some detailed comments. 

7 PMAA supports the proposed 2014 and '15 mandates 

8 and is grateful that the EPA has acknowledged that most 

9 existing gas station equipment is not made or warranted 

10 to store or dispense ethanol blends greater than 10 

11 percent. PMAA has concerns with the proposed 2016 

12 ethanol mandate and would prefer a volume below the 14 

13 billion gallons that will not breach the 10 percent 

14 ethanol blend wall. PMAA supports the proposed 

15 biodiesel mandates. 

16 Now two issues must be addressed before retailers, 

17 which is who I primarily represent in Missouri, can 

18 sell ethanol blends greater than 10 percent. You have 

19 equipment compatibility, and you have misfueling 

20 liability. 

21 Equipment compatibility. Your EPA regulations, no 

22 matter how well intentioned or substantiated, cannot 

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1 change the fact that most gas station equipment -- 

2 tanks, pumps, piping, et cetera -- and cars are not 

3 made or warranted to store or dispense ethanol blends 

4 greater than 10 percent or made or warranted to use 

5 ethanol blends greater than 10 percent. 

6 Replacing the cost -- replacing the equipment at 

7 gas stations and convenience stores is extraordinarily 

8 costly, would add massively to pump prices in order to 

9 pass those costs on to consumers, and would force a lot 

10 of rural retailers to close because the cost is 

11 prohibitive. 

12 Conversion of existing UST systems is all but 

13 impossible because we don't have the underlying 

14 manufacturer's warranties, the manufacturer's 

15 certifications. And if we do that, we're actually 

16 going to be in violation of State regulations and 

17 Federal regulations, OSHA regulations, stuff like that. 

18 RINs, we often hear a lot about RINs. They're not 

19 going to lure retailers into purchasing E15-compatible 

20 equipment because 95 percent of gasoline is preblended, 

21 and therefore at the terminal and therefore generates 

22 no RINs dollars for the retailers. 
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1 A bit about misfueling liability. The conflict 

2 between the EPA and car manufacturers regarding the 

3 safe use of E15 in 2001 in newer nonflex-fuel vehicles 

4 creates customer confusion, will result in misfueling, 

5 engine damage, and the voiding of vehicle warranties. 

6 Who's going to be responsible for the consequences of 

7 that inevitable misfueling? 

8 Let me summarize because I see my time is short. 

9 PMAA and my own organization in Missouri, we support 

10 ethanol. It's an important liquid motor fuel. It 

11 helps reduce our reliance on crude oil from potentially 

12 unstable countries. It supports agriculture, as you've 

13 heard a lot today, and it helps moderate pump prices. 

14 However, your mandates, your rules with respect to 

15 the RFS must match the reality of the marketplace. 

16 What can we physically do in the marketplace to 

17 implement your policy? 

18 Please don't breach the 10 percent ethanol blend 

19 wall until equipment compatibility and misfueling 

20 issues have been address, or you're going to create 

21 chaos in the marketplace, and you're going to end up 

22 hurting consumers and the people I represent, the small 

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1 business owners who run most of the gas stations and 

2 convenience stores in Missouri. 

3 Thank you. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. Mr. Garner? 

5 MR. GARNER: Good morning. My name is Todd 

6 Garner. I'm the CEO and president of Protec Fuel 

7 Management. I want to thank you for the opportunity to 

8 be heard today. 

9 Protec Fuel Management manages fuel supplies to 

10 retailers, municipalities, State fleets, and public 

11 companies. Protec currently is the largest provider of 

12 E85 and E15 outside the Midwest and currently blends 

13 and distributes E85 to over 300 existing stations and 

14 fleets in the southeast United States. 

15 Protec's goal since the inception of the RFS has 

16 been to educate the retailers -- I'm sorry. Hold on. 

17 Has been to -- inception of the RFS has been to 

18 educate the retailers and the consumers to the 

19 advantages of E85 and higher blends, with a goal of 

20 offering E85 and now E15 to those consumers and 

21 retailers who demand the fuel but needed the help with 

22 the procurement and station infrastructure. 

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1 It's not been an easy road the last few years. 

2 First, the loss of the VEETC credit and now the 

3 potential reduction of the RFS threatens to unwind 

4 years of advancing E85 and higher-blend ethanol to 

5 those who demand it. It's mentioned lately by the API 

6 and other organizations that there is no demand for 

7 these fuels, and consumers just don't want the product. 

8 The reason they claim there's no demand is because 

9 big oil is threatening their retailers who want to sell 

10 E85 and E15 with lawsuits. I have at least one letter 

11 from every single major oil company threatening my 

12 customers if they proceed forward in selling the fuel, 

13 and for those who took the risk and are currently 

14 selling the fuel, make them take it out. 

15 The bottom line is that the American people want 

16 cheaper, cleaner fuel, but they're being robbed of that 

17 opportunity. We're just starting to make real 

18 progress, and this change in the RFS could derail it. 

19 The success is already obvious in our existing 

20 sites, with substantial growth on a year-by-year basis. 

21 In the 40 stations that we've opened in the last year, 

22 we've seen an increase of a 20 percent growth in each 

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1 of those stations in both E15 and E85. 

2 Protec currently has over 400 shovel-ready 

3 stations that have requested the installation and 

4 infrastructure so they can meet the demands of their 

5 current customers. The potential change will have a 

6 great effect on the industry's growth. 

7 It's been stated many times that the RIN does not 

8 affect the value of E10 nor regular gasoline, but 

9 that's not the case in higher-blend fuels like E85. 

10 Keeping the current RFS in place will allow the RIN to 

11 determine the market value and, in turn, provides a 

12 value that allows E85 and higher blends to grow. For 

13 the E85 side of the industry, increased RIN values have 

14 taken the place of the VEETC, helping reduce the cost 

15 of E85 and more places to fuel for the consumer. 

16 The current value of the RINs prior to the 

17 announcement of the reduction has allowed Protec to 

18 continue to meet consumer demand and provide a fuel 

19 that's economically good for the consumer and the 

20 environment. The reduction of RIN values of at least 

21 35 cents since the announcement has now seriously 

22 jeopardized years of growth and the likelihood that the 
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1 400 stations that we have waiting to be converted will 

2 be affected. 

3 There are many other projects that can be 

4 affected, and I'm here today to represent those who 

5 could not be here. This increase in the price of E85 

6 and other high-blend fuels will affect the consumers 

7 who currently buy it and the long-term growth of 

8 advancing alternative fuels that have been in the 

9 current business. 

10 I've been in the fuel business for over 30 years 

11 and have witnessed market dynamics. And they are a 

12 better way to determine the outcome than by 

13 consistently changing the numbers to fit the current 

14 market. Had we not had the financial meltdown in 2008, 

15 the loss of demand because of it, we would not be 

16 probably having this conversation today. 

17 Our view is the EPA had it right the first time. 

18 Demand is already nearing all-time highs as a part of 

19 our current economic recovery. I ask the EPA to keep 

20 the RFS as it was originally designed and let the 

21 potential growth in higher-blended fuels create the 

22 change on its own. 

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1 Please consider the effects of the reduction on 

2 future growth and value added in providing cleaner3 burning fuel to the American public. 

4 Thank you. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Stookey? 

6 MR. STOOKEY: Well, thank you very much. 

7 My name is Randy Stookey, and I serve as vice 

8 president of Renew Kansas. Renew Kansas is the 

9 representative voice of the Kansas ethanol industry, 

10 and our mission is to promote ethanol fuels and to 

11 demonstrate the positive effects of our industry and 

12 ethanol on consumers and the economy. 

13 Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to be 

14 here today and speak with you. 

15 We believe that the EPA's proposed renewable 

16 volume obligation fails to implement the standard set 

17 forth by Congress within the Clean Air Act clearly and 

18 takes an overly broad interpretation of its waiver 

19 authority, as has been stated repeatedly today. And 

20 that's a very important issue that I know that you've 

21 looked into, but we would ask that you review again and 

22 look into it more closely. 

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1 When this legislation was originally passed, 

2 Congress was well aware of the RFS goals that require 

3 the increased use of higher blends of renewable fuel. 

4 However, the EPA's proposed rule as it stands today 

5 will not provide consumers with the intended level of 

6 access to those renewable fuels. 

7 In fact, the proposed rule would create more 

8 uncertainty in the alternative fuels market with the 

9 negative effect of freezing future investments into the 

10 market. Clearly, not a goal of either Congress or the 

11 EPA. It's an unintended consequence. 

12 Alternatively, the full RFS, as established by 

13 Congress within the Clean Air Act, will allow industry 

14 to break through the current blend wall through 

15 continued investment in the new technologies and 

16 infrastructure. Higher-blend ethanol fuels are both 

17 legal and viable options today in which to break 

18 through the blend wall and should be promoted through 

19 the RFS, not hampered. 

20 We all know, as is commonly known, the RFS is 

21 America's most successful energy policy within the last 

22 40 years. It has helped to enhance our national 

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1 security, diversify our fuel supply, protected our 

2 environment by reducing our carbon footprint, increased 

3 demand for farm products across the Midwest, reduced 

4 cost for consumers at the pump, created jobs around the 

5 country, and helped to reduce our nation's dependence 

6 on foreign oil by more than 50 percent since 2005. 

7 Clearly, a success. 

8 We would ask that we move our nation forward with 

9 the allowance of higher-blend fuels, of renewable fuels 

10 at the pump. EPA's final rule should promote the RFS 

11 volume obligations as set forth by Congress in the 

12 Clean Air Act, and we look forward to working with the 

13 EPA to achieve that goal. 

14 Thank you. 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 9. 

16 If we could have Panel 11 make their way up, and 

17 Panel 13, if you could make -- get yourselves ready to 

18 follow up on the next panel? 

19 (Pause.) 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: And if we could go ahead and get 

21 started, Mr. Clement? 

22 MR. CLEMENT: Thank you. 
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1 My name is Conrad Clement of Clement Farms, 

2 Cresco, Iowa, and Spring Valley, Minnesota. 

3 My sons and I farm around 35,000 acres, creating 

4 17,500 acres of corn in Minnesota, Iowa, and South 

5 Dakota. We are also invested in seven ethanol plants 

6 in Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Nearly 

7 all of our corn produced is sold directly or indirectly 

8 for ethanol production. 

9 The RFS is America's most successful energy policy 

10 in the last 40 years, and the EPA is threatening to 

11 tear it apart. The ethanol industry supports nearly 

12 400,000 jobs and accounts for nearly $53 billion of our 

13 nation's GDP. Yes, that's billion, with a "B." 

14 By cutting the volumes of ethanol and other 

15 biofuels, the EPA is ensuring higher prices at the pump 

16 for American consumers, lower prices for corn paid to 

17 farmers, resulting in less Federal and State income tax 

18 paid to the government. Ethanol gives the United 

19 States the only chance to be energy self-sufficient 

20 that we have ever had since we began importing foreign 

21 oil years ago. 

22 And if the RFS is diminished and this possibility 

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1 will be gone forever. This is a once-in-a-lifetime 

2 opportunity to take advantage of the circumstances, 

3 take the bull by the horns and do what's right for 

4 America and the American people. The ethanol industry 

5 answered the call and made the investment necessary to 

6 produce the necessary volumes of renewable fuels to 

7 meet the ambitious goals of the RFS. 

8 Only by increasing the levels of renewable fuel, 

9 along with the increased production of domestic oil, 

10 can we break our nation's dangerous addiction to 

11 foreign oil. Ethanol production has provided an 

12 essential market for our nation's grain farmers and has 

13 revitalized rural communities around the country while 

14 saving taxpayers billions, again with a "B," billions 

15 of dollars in farm program payments. 

16 It is time for the EPA to endorse the RFS as it 

17 was originally designed, add the volume needed to 

18 ensure the rollout of E15 ethanol nationwide, for the 

19 Government to keep its word to the investors, the 

20 farmers, and the industry. Let's do what's right for 

21 America and the American people and not the big oil 

22 company. 

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1 Thank you for your time. 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Schwarck? 

3 MR. SCHWARCK: Schwarck, Rick Schwarck. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Schwarck. There we go, sir. 

5 MR. SCHWARCK: Thank you. 

6 My name is Rick Schwarck. I am a founder of 

7 Absolute Energy, LLC, an ethanol facility on the Iowa8 Minnesota border. We're owned by 470 local members, 

9 most of whom are farmers. I believe we're also the 

10 largest retailer of E85 in the Iowa-Minnesota region 

11 directly to the retailers. 

12 I'm trying -- I made a lot of edits here to try 

13 and not repeat what you've heard quite often. But I've 

14 included in my full comments from Investopedia the 

15 definition of "supply" and "demand," okay? And I think 

16 that's the crux of this matter. 

17 Supply is the total amount of a specific good or 

18 service that is available to consumers. Demand is what 

19 everybody wants, the market, and the market needs. In 

20 simple terms, supply is push. Demand is pull. 

21 In my opinion, the EPA was not given the authority 

22 to change the definition of the word "supply." Corn is 

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1 half the value that it was 2 years ago, and corn 

2 farmers around the world do not want to return to the 

3 days where we have LDP payments, PIK, and Roll, nor can 

4 our Government afford it. 

5 A major beneficiary of the United States no longer 

6 showing subsidized commodities to the world markets are 

7 developing nations. This has been a major complaint of 

8 the World Trade Organization. Google the GDP of any 

9 developing nation from '03 to '13 and see what has 

10 happened to them. Seventy-eight percent of the world's 

11 poor live in rural areas and rely on agriculture for 

12 their livelihood. 

13 For those people who spout food versus fuel myths, 

14 you don't help the majority of the world's poor by 

15 paying less for the crops they grow. In '83, '93, and 

16 2003, the GDP of Ethiopia was stuck at $8 billion. In 

17 '13, it had exploded to $46 billion. Eighty percent of 

18 their population rely on agriculture. 

19 Now their ag income went from $7 billion to $23 

20 billion, but the rest of their economy went from $1 

21 billion to $23 billion. How? When a farmer has a 

22 dollar, any farmers in the room, what do you do with 
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1 it? You spend it. 

2 It's the economic engine that drives their 

3 economy. If we do what we did before, as we start 

4 selling subsidized goods on the world market, they will 

5 have what they had before. 

6 Now the story is the same in Kenya, Sudan, Papua7 New Guinea, Peru, Colombia. I challenge anyone to 

8 Google it. Just look at the explosion in the incomes 

9 in these developing nations. It's available for anyone 

10 to see. Now these numbers are not my numbers. These 

11 come from the World Bank. 

12 In closing, help us show you -- help us help you 

13 show what the American worker and the American farmer 

14 can do to provide feed, food, and fiber for the entire 

15 world. 

16 Thank you. 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Schwarck. 

18 And next we have Mr. Vander Griend? Yes? Okay. 

19 MR. VANDER GRIEND: Thank you for the opportunity 

20 to testify today. 

21 My name is Nathan Vander Griend. I'm the 

22 president and partner in a company called ERI 

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1 Solutions, which is an environmental health and safety, 

2 loss control, sustainability, and insurance risk 

3 management consulting firm. We have employees, just 

4 under 40, and we provide services in over 30 States 

5 today. 

6 We were started as a result of the ethanol 

7 industry in 2003, and we've grown along with it. In 

8 the past 5 years since ethanol tailed off a bit, we've 

9 moved into other industries as well, including all 

10 facets of energy, which includes oil and natural gas. 

11 I wanted to comment a little bit. I heard it a 

12 little bit earlier, but EPA's mission statement being 

13 to protect human health and the environment in a 

14 sustainable and economical fashion, using the best 

15 available scientific information available. 

16 Ethanol, as an alternative available today, is 

17 made from products that are regrown every single year 

18 and not a finite resource, making it sustainable. It 

19 is regularly 50 cents to $1.50 cheaper per gallon than 

20 our alternative. So those first two parts are exactly 

21 what you want. 

22 As for using the best available scientific 

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1 information, the Motor Vehicle Emission Simulator 

2 Model, or MOVES model, that was rolled out in 2014 I 

3 consider junk at best. It is based on the severely 

4 flawed EPIC study that was led by two fuels engineers 

5 from large oil companies. 

6 We all learned in grade school science class that 

7 when you perform an experiment, you have every 

8 potential variable held constant, and you only change 

9 one variable at a time. With this study, when more 

10 ethanol was added, the other fuel components were 

11 changed. They were manipulated. Should we really 

12 believe that the more of something that you can drink 

13 when it's added to a fuel should make it more toxic or 

14 worse emissions? 

15 This study and model paint a bad, untruthful 

16 environmental picture. If the EPA is really concerned 

17 about higher ethanol blends, why are current EPA 

18 employees trying to patent E20 and higher ethanol 

19 blends? It doesn't make sense. 

20 I ask that you consider the truth, leave the 

21 renewable fuel standard in place, dispose of the 

22 crippling agendas of others, the misinformed puppets 

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1 that you've heard some of today, and leave this 

2 powerful industry that's trying to oppose the RFS out 

3 of the equation. 

4 Thank you. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Next up we have Mr. 

6 Ross. 

7 MR. ROSS: Thank you. 

8 My name is Kevin Ross. I work for Fremont Water 

9 Solutions. We are a supplier to the ethanol industry. 

10 I just wanted to speak briefly in support of 

11 maintaining the current standard and increased use of 

12 ethanol based on my personal experience as a water 

13 treatment chemist. 

14 Our company provides products and services, 

15 consulting services to prevent water from destroying 

16 equipment within not just ethanol plants, but any plant 

17 using water as an energy transfer medium. When I began 

18 work in the industry approximately 40 years ago, my 

19 common experience was to watch plants close and to have 

20 less places to practice my trade. 

21 Fremont has been involved with the ethanol 

22 industry almost since the beginning of its growth in 
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1 the Midwest. We have grown right along with it. Of 

2 the current plants in existence, we treat approximately 

3 a third of them. 

4 So this involves a great deal of investment for 

5 Fremont Industries and personnel in product development 

6 and in increased technology to provide greener 

7 solutions to scale corrosion and biological falling 

8 issues. And we would like to maintain that idea of 

9 growth within this important American industry. 

10 Thank you very much. 

11 MR. GRUNDLER: Oh, thank you very much. Mr. 

12 Herbon? 

13 MR. HERBON: My name is Rob Herbon. I am 

14 executive brand manager for Fremont Industries. I'm 

15 based out of Shakopee, Minnesota. 

16 The Environmental Protection Agency was formed in 

17 1970 by Richard Nixon for the purpose of protecting 

18 human health and the environment. Fremont Industries 

19 is a 61-year-old privately held company located in 

20 Minnesota with offices here in Kansas City as well. We 

21 work to protect the environment by treating water. 

22 Our goal is to help all types of customers, not 

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1 just this industry, reuse and clean up their water so 

2 that we can reduce our footprint on the environment. 

3 We successfully helped a number of ethanol producers 

4 reduce their water consumption down to below 3 gallons 

5 of water per gallon of ethanol produced. 

6 This is in stark contrast to the 1,100 gallons of 

7 water that's been spouted. A couple years ago, I was 

8 watching CNBC on TV, and Dylan Ratigan was hosting Fast 

9 Money and ranted about 1,100 gallons, and "That's the 

10 truth." I wanted to throw a brick through the TV. 

11 He no more understood water consumption and usage 

12 than the next guy. So he was misinformed, and that's 

13 been some of the information that's been out in the 

14 opposition to ethanol. 

15 Real job creation, jobs that pay well in areas of 

16 the country that had literally been left for dead back 

17 in the '80s, small-town America, flyover land to those 

18 of you on the coasts, continues to be remarkable. I've 

19 gone through towns that would have been washed up, and 

20 they were pretty much. It was down to where the kids 

21 graduated from high school, and they moved to the city 

22 because there was no jobs in rural America that paid 

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1 anything. 

2 Ethanol and biofuels have brought that back. The 

3 renewable fuel standard implemented by Congress has 

4 been a great success. Unfortunately, you, the EPA, has 

5 chosen to try and weaken this contract with America. 

6 I, quite frankly, do not understand this 

7 methodology. Maybe people are listening too much to 

8 Jay Leno for his information, as he has complained 

9 about ethanol causing potential issues with his antique 

10 automobiles. If one of Jay's vehicles does not run 

11 right on ethanol blend, do we open up the RFS, or 

12 should he just get his carburetor cleaned? 

13 In all seriousness, his issue tends to be with the 

14 lack of choice in California. This is due to air 

15 quality issues throughout the State. Ethanol has been 

16 blended in all of California's gasoline, and they have 

17 seen improved air quality because of this. The RFS 

18 does not dictate that California cannot use straight 

19 premium gasoline for antique autos. 

20 If you weaken the RFS, you will kill investment in 

21 second-generation advanced biofuels, as they will not 

22 have access to capital. The hope for additional 

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1 biodiesel and cellulosic production facilities that 

2 utilize wood chips, corn stover, garbage, switchgrass, 

3 animal fats, and the like will not become a reality 

4 without the RFS. 

5 Homeland security is what homegrown ethanol is all 

6 about. Cutting back on foreign oil and keeping those 

7 dollars here in the United States is another value that 

8 biofuels brings to the table, and not having to fight a 

9 war over the access to biofuels. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: If you could please wrap up your 

11 testimony? 

12 MR. HERBON: EPA works for the American people to 

13 protect our health and the environment. Opening up the 

14 RFS does not help the American people. Leave the RFS 

15 intact. 

16 Thank you. 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Sorry for the -- didn't 

18 realize you were just about done. 

19 Mr. Sneller, please? 

20 MR. SNELLER: Thank you. 

21 Members of the panel, my name is Todd Sneller. I 

22 serve as the administrator of the Nebraska Ethanol 
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1 Board, and I also serve as chairman of the Clean Fuels 

2 Development Corporation. 

3 CFDC is a diverse, nonprofit advocacy organization 

4 now in its 25th year. The Nebraska Ethanol Board is a 

5 State agency directed by statute to facilitate ethanol 

6 production and use in Nebraska and the development of 

7 markets nationwide. I served as administrator of the 

8 board since 1979 and since 1976 have been responsible 

9 to the board in its directive to develop ethanol 

10 markets for nationwide consumption of ethanol fuels. 

11 I'm urging the EPA, as many have today, to enforce 

12 the statutory targets that were included in Federal 

13 statute. The goal of Congress clearly was not to limit 

14 renewable fuel use to the volumes obligated parties 

15 prescribe. 

16 In fact, according to a statement from the EPA, 

17 and I quote, "We agree that obligated parties, 

18 refiners, have had years to plan for the E10 blend wall 

19 and that there are clearly steps that obligated parties 

20 could take to increase investments needed to increase 

21 renewable fuel use above current actions." 

22 Further, they state, "We also note, however, that 

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1 biofuel producers could also take appropriate measures 

2 and that nothing precludes biofuel producers from 

3 independently marketing E85 or increasing the 

4 production of non-ethanol renewable fuels." 

5 In fact, many have done that. These are not 

6 obligated parties. These are the efforts of advocates 

7 that want to see this program succeed. We collectively 

8 have spent tens of millions of dollars in 

9 infrastructure development on a voluntary basis. We 

10 collectively have spent tens of millions of dollars of 

11 market development to support the increase of biofuel 

12 use and particularly the increased volume included in 

13 those biofuels. 

14 We have an obligation to continue this commitment, 

15 but we are not obligated parties like the refiners. 

16 The parties are intentionally impeding, in many cases, 

17 the efforts that have been set forth by those of us on 

18 a voluntary basis to expand market development. We've 

19 seen repeatedly examples of barriers that include 

20 market and brand restrictions and other prohibitions 

21 against the marketing of these higher-volume biofuel 

22 blends. 

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1 This is not a new conduct or new practice by the 

2 petroleum industry. The 1980 Gasohol Competition Act 

3 passed by Congress was intended at that time to try to 

4 stop some of these practices, but they continue today. 

5 We're also seeing the efforts, despite the 

6 proclamation of refiners, who are the obligated 

7 parties, saying they've done everything they can 

8 possibly do to accommodate up to 10 percent blend, 

9 belied by a photograph that's probably worth 1,000 

10 words. A photograph taken in Lincoln, Nebraska, about 

11 10 days ago with the corporate logo of one of those 

12 obligated parties talking about the fact that they 

13 proudly offer non-ethanol blended gasoline. 

14 That is the antithesis of a collaborative, 

15 cooperative effort to try to comply with the statute. 

16 These are, in fact, obligated parties, and they should 

17 be required to meet the statutory obligations set 

18 forth. 

19 EPA has done a good job of trying to make 

20 accommodations, but bad conduct should not be given a 

21 pass. The obligated parties should be required to meet 

22 those obligations, and we should continue to have an 

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1 opportunity provide the cooperative effort from parties 

2 who are conducting market development activities in 

3 concert with these parties while not being impeded by 

4 the obligated parties in those efforts to expand the 

5 market and expand infrastructure. 

6 The Clean Fuel Development Coalition will be 

7 submitting additional information in the written 

8 comments. Thank you for the opportunity to present 

9 these comments to you today. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, and thank you, 

11 Panel 11. 

12 If we could have Panel 13 move on up to the table? 

13 Thanks. 

14 (Pause.) 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: And yeah, please, Panel 15, if you 

16 could get ready? 

17 All right. If we could go ahead and begin with 

18 Mr. Greving? 

19 MR. GREVING: Thank you for the opportunity to 

20 testify here this morning. 

21 My name is Bill Greving from Phillips County, 

22 Kansas, in north central Kansas. My wife, Diana; my 
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1 son, Colby, and his wife, Cher; and I operate a 

2 diversified farming operation producing both crops and 

3 cattle in the surrounding area. 

4 We grow primarily wheat and grain sorghum on our 

5 dry land acres because of their drought tolerance and 

6 corn and hay on our irrigated acres. I also serve on 

7 the board of the United Sorghum Checkoff Program and 

8 therefore have a strong interest, as well as my fellow 

9 panel members, in seeing that the ethanol industry 

10 thrive and prosper. 

11 Our livestock operation consists primarily of a 

12 cow-calf to finish operation. We finish our cattle in 

13 our own feedlot, utilizing our homegrown feed, as well 

14 as wet distillers grain purchased from Prairie Horizon 

15 Agri-Energy, located in nearby Phillipsburg. 

16 The availability of distillers grain and the 

17 inclusion of distillers grain in our feed rations has 

18 made a significant improvement to our bottom line in 

19 feeding cattle. Our nutritionist who designs our 

20 rations has informed us that utilizing distillers grain 

21 in our grower and finisher rations saves us 

22 approximately $20 per head on every animal marketed. 

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1 Our local ethanol plant has had a positive impact 

2 on our local economy and on the price of corn and grain 

3 sorghum in Phillips County and the surrounding area. 

4 Both grain sorghum and corn are utilized in ethanol 

5 plants in Kansas and most ethanol plants to produce 

6 ethanol. 

7 As a stockholder in the Phillipsburg ethanol 

8 plant, the dividends the past few years have been a 

9 nice improvement to our income. As a result, in other 

10 words, you might consider me an investor, a supplier, 

11 and a customer of our local ethanol plant. 

12 The advent and growth of the ethanol industry has 

13 made a significant impact on the profitability of our 

14 operation, not to mention the impact that it has made, 

15 as been stated here today, on agriculture in the United 

16 States and production agriculture. 

17 In closing, I would like to strongly urge you to 

18 maintain the current RFS standard, the production 

19 standards that have been stated, and would strongly 

20 encourage you to maintain those. 

21 Again, thank you for your allowing me to testify. 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. Ms. 

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1 Schulte? 

2 MS. SCHULTE: Yes, I'm Sue Schulte. I am on staff 

3 at the Kansas Corn Growers Association, have been for 

4 about 19 years as their Director of Communications. 

5 I grew up on a farm in southwest Kansas, and I 

6 guess at that time, in the 1980s, my parents told my 

7 brothers and I that we probably needed to find 

8 professions that were not involving working on the 

9 farm. And at that time, I think people felt there was 

10 not a lot of opportunity a lot of times for their kids 

11 to come back to the farms, and that's changed a lot. 

12 And the reason I mention this is that, originally, 

13 a grower, Dennis McNinch, had signed up to speak today, 

14 was unable to. His son has returned to the farm. 

15 They're in the middle of wheat harvest and are unable 

16 to leave the farm so they can complete wheat harvest. 

17 And I think -- I know you heard from a lot of 

18 farmers. You've got some on the panel here today, and 

19 I think it's important to understand the sacrifices 

20 they've made just to be here in Kansas City today. 

21 Some of them couldn't, as much as they wanted to be 

22 here. 

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1 Dennis is on our Corn Growers Board, and he is 

2 also on National Corn Growers Ethanol Committee. So 

3 very involved. In addition to being a farmer, he is 

4 also an ag banker, and I want to read some of his 

5 comments that he had put together. 

6 He said I'm lucky to have a 50 million gallon 

7 ethanol plant in our area, and when a group of farmers 

8 and community members first started the effort to build 

9 Western Plains Energy, corn prices were below the cost 

10 of production, and our crop yields were low due to dry 

11 weather. It wasn't the greatest time to ask for 

12 investors, but farmers and others in our community 

13 banked on the promise of creating a new market for 

14 corn, based on long-term view of RFS creating and 

15 increasing the market for ethanol and other biofuels. 

16 Our plant took shape and paid dividends to its 

17 investors, brought good jobs, provided renewable 

18 ethanol fuel for vehicles, distillers grains for our 

19 livestock feeders. The economic activity around the 

20 plant is remarkable, especially for a rural community 

21 like ours in northwest Kansas. 

22 The value-added component was critical to 
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1 stabilize the rural economy, which is primarily based 

2 on commodity production and supporting agriculture. 

3 Increasing the use of ethanol with higher blends should 

4 be our highest priority and was part of the rationale 

5 of the RFS growing larger through the years. 

6 We've been effective in helping to reduce the need 

7 for imported oil. Yet even with the ethanol and even 

8 more domestic oil production, the U.S. still must 

9 import 50 percent of its oil. We can lessen that with 

10 higher ethanol blends. 

11 We will continue to hold up our end, working with 

12 partnerships and investing our money to build 

13 infrastructure to allow higher blends of ethanol14 blended fuels and sustainably growing more than enough 

15 corn to meet the needs for feed, food, and fuel. And I 

16 call on EPA to hold up its end and follow the RFS law 

17 as it is written and as it was intended. 

18 Thank you. 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Ms. Schulte. Next we 

20 have Mr. Caldwell? 

21 MR. CALDWELL: Thank you. 

22 I am retired Air Force Colonel Glenn Caldwell. 

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1 After my active duty in Vietnam era, I returned to the 

2 family farm in Kansas and have been farming for 40 

3 years. 

4 Over those four decades, I've seen plenty of 

5 things change, and I've seen plenty of things stay the 

6 same. I've seen long lines and astronomical price 

7 hikes at gas stations during the first oil embargos of 

8 the 1970s. I've seen America forget those long lines 

9 and reconcile itself to reliance on imported oil and 

10 absorb the military cost of protecting it during the 

11 Gulf Wars. I've seen oil prices spike again, making 

12 the worst recession in recent history even worse. 

13 I've seen American agriculture get close to 

14 poverty level due to botched foreign policy, 

15 unimaginative farm programs, dependence on Federal 

16 support, and embargos on foreign products that 

17 attempted to use grain exports as political leverage 

18 around the world. And all the while, we had answers to 

19 those woes right here at home. We could actually grow 

20 energy, clean energy that results in more BTUs than it 

21 takes to create, despite what oil industry-fronted 

22 "research" would have us believe. 

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1 We could transform our strength in agricultural 

2 production into fuel, and we could do so without 

3 sacrificing our ability to continue to feed people and 

4 animals. Farmers could add value to their corn without 

5 incurring shipping costs to distant markets. 

6 Livestock producers could source high-value feed 

7 in their own backyard. Americans could enjoy lower 

8 prices at the pump while enjoying cleaner air and a 

9 fuel that doesn't pollute our oceans, water supply, or 

10 soil. 

11 The RFS has helped solve a lot of America's 

12 problems. The RFS is a long-term strategy for 

13 America's future, and we should not be changing course 

14 because of mythical blend walls, bad science, and the 

15 influence of an oil monopoly that wants to do nothing 

16 more than protect its market share and profitability. 

17 I cannot understand why a Government agency would 

18 propose to reduce production incentives for an industry 

19 that has proven its ability to accomplish what Congress 

20 envisioned years ago. I cannot understand why a 

21 Government agency would supersede bipartisan 

22 legislation passed by an elected Congress to derail a 

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1 program that has been successful in every regard. 

2 And I really cannot understand why the Government 

3 agency responsible for protecting the environment would 

4 make recommendations that only benefit a highly 

5 subsidized industry that has a despicable track record 

6 of befouling the environment, poisoning our air, 

7 polluting our soil and our water. 

8 To curtail the ethanol industry by reducing the 

9 RFS requirements flies in the face of sound national 

10 policy, environmental stewardship, and just plain 

11 common sense. I urge you to leave the RFS as Congress 

12 had passed it. 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Caldwell. Mr. Sisk? 

14 MR. SISK: Hello. I'm Joseph Sisk. I'm a full15 time farmer from Hopkinsville, Kentucky, and I 

16 appreciate the opportunity to explain what the RFS 

17 means to my family's farming operation. 

18 I'm unique to many in my industry that have spoken 

19 to you today, as I began my farming career in 1999 at 

20 one of the lowest points in commodity prices in two 

21 decades. In fact, my first full crop year in 2000 

22 marked the lowest monthly average for corn since the 
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1 mid 1980s. 

2 Since 2007 and the ramp-up of corn for ethanol 

3 production, our farm has grown and thrived. We've 

4 added more full-time employees, one of whom came from a 

5 factory setting that was affected by a slowing economy. 

6 Without the RFS, our operation would have been unable 

7 to support the additional families of the new full-time 

8 employees that we employ. 

9 Today, this morning, we are finishing wheat 

10 harvest. It is our busiest time of year. My 75-year11 old father is filling in for me so that I may bring you 

12 this message, the message of a small business owner who 

13 is directly affected by this push from the oil industry 

14 to adjust the RVO. 

15 It is vital to production agriculture that the 

16 amount of corn used for ethanol rise, as technology has 

17 provided the excess that the ethanol industry needs to 

18 thrive. Now that we, as producers, have met that need, 

19 the industry has a chance for a great positive impact, 

20 both environmentally and economically. 

21 The supply needed to make the initial dream of 

22 ethanol is a reality now. Why now that the system is 

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1 functioning to provide what was asked would we want a 

2 change that would undo the feasibility of the initial 

3 goal? We are providing the increasing supply that the 

4 market and mandates asked and required. 

5 As a system matures and becomes so productive, it 

6 should be embraced and used for the environmental and 

7 economic good that it was developed for. Our operation 

8 has invested heavily to be able to help meet the corn 

9 needed by the RVO. The argument that the resources may 

10 not meet the original RVO are the same arguments from 

11 years past that were disproven through our ability to 

12 evolve and produce corn and ethanol. 

13 It is imperative to my operation that the supply 

14 and system that is in place be supported as it grows 

15 into greater production. It would be devastating if 

16 we, as producers, ramped our abilities into the new era 

17 only to have outside interests who oppose for their own 

18 designs influence new strategies that would undo 10-

19 plus years of advancements. 

20 Thank you. 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. 

22 Ms. Hoot? 

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1 MS. HOOT: Good afternoon. My name is Lynne Hoot, 

2 and I've been executive director of the Maryland Grain 

3 Producers Association for the past -- since 1990, and 

4 I've experienced considerable change and growth in the 

5 ethanol industry. 

6 I'm here today to express our support for ethanol 

7 production, a robust renewable fuel standard, and to 

8 explain Maryland's efforts to expand the infrastructure 

9 for higher blends. Maryland doesn't currently have an 

10 ethanol plant in the State. However, many of our 

11 farmers have the opportunity to sell to a Vireol 

12 ethanol plant down in Hopewell, Virginia. 

13 It was built in 2010 originally as a barley 

14 ethanol plant, as a flexible feedstock plant. Today, 

15 our farmers have the benefit of selling corn to it. 

16 We would like to see the opportunities through EPA 

17 approving barley as a second-generation fuel feedstock 

18 because that will help our farmers. Barley grows well 

19 in Virginia and Maryland. It also serves as a winter 

20 crop, and it takes up nutrients in the wintertime, 

21 which helps the Chesapeake Bay. 

22 Living in the Washington-Baltimore corridor, 

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1 Maryland's efforts have gone beyond State lines, and 

2 we've worked with Virginia. We've worked with D.C., 

3 and we have, obviously, with Maryland to improve the 

4 infrastructure. We currently have 34 E85 stations in 

5 Maryland, 17 in Virginia, and 3 in Columbia. 

6 And while that infrastructure may not be huge, it 

7 does make a significant difference. What we do have is 

8 675,000 flexible-fuel vehicles, and if you look at the 

9 number of model year 2000 and newer, the opportunities 

10 in the E15 market are huge. 

11 During that time, we've partnered with the Clean 

12 Cities programs in each of those areas, with State and 

13 Federal governments, and what we have found is we have 

14 continued to have opposition from the oil industry as 

15 we've tried to make progress. Just in the last 3 

16 months, a major oil company told a station in Waldorf, 

17 Maryland, that they couldn't put E85 under the canopy, 

18 even though there are clear, contractual State laws 

19 that prevent that happening. We see nothing but 

20 opposition. 

21 And that's why in 2007, when the renewable fuel 

22 standard was passed, Congress understood that there 
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1 would be opposition. That's why they passed the law, 

2 and they put specific quantities in the law, and they 

3 put EPA in charge. 

4 So what has gone wrong? Today, we have ample 

5 ethanol infrastructure. We have low feedstock prices, 

6 and our barrier to success is the EPA. On behalf of 

7 Maryland's grain industry, I would like to express that 

8 this is unacceptable. It's outside your legal 

9 authority, and we ask you to restore the RVO to the 

10 statutory limits. 

11 Appreciate the opportunity to comment. Thank you. 

12 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Koehler? 

13 MR. KOEHLER: Thank you. 

14 This is Tom Koehler, Pacific Ethanol. We're 

15 headquartered in California. 

16 And I'm here today not only on behalf of our 

17 company, but the other companies in California, Aemetis 

18 and Calgren Renewables. Together, it represents about 

19 220 million gallons of low-carbon ethanol. 

20 And I want to emphasize that the industry, the 

21 corn ethanol industry not only in California, but 

22 across the country has been responsible roughly for 60 

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1 percent of the carbon reductions to date in the 

2 California low-carbon fuel standard. And those numbers 

3 are -- the carbon intensity of corn ethanol is coming 

4 down on a daily basis. 

5 You started your testimony today talking about why 

6 the EPA is so concerned with the RFS, and you ended by 

7 saying that we have to get the carbon reductions due to 

8 climate change. And the EPA has done quite a few 

9 things on that front, the CAFE standards is an example, 

10 looking now at the coal. 

11 But the RFS is -- is huge, and it's a major part 

12 of that. And there needs to be urgency around it 

13 because every carbon reduction today is worth a lot 

14 more than tomorrow in terms of the impact. 

15 So there's urgency here at the table, and you have 

16 had an industry -- you're listening to an industry that 

17 can provide huge carbon reductions, if allowed. And 

18 the only thing standing in the way, to support the last 

19 speaker, is you. 

20 And you've talked about the so-called blend -- 

21 ethanol blend wall. There is no ethanol blend wall. 

22 It's a -- it's either two things. It's either a 

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1 constraint of trade by the oil industry, or it's an 

2 EPA-imposed blend wall. So I urge you, in the name of 

3 urgency, in terms of carbon reduction to stick with the 

4 statutory requirements for the RVO. 

5 Appreciate all the work that you've done. 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 13. 

7 If we could have Panel 15 move up and Panel 17 get 

8 ready while they're doing that. 

9 If anyone in this room is on Panel 22, they need 

10 to go to the room next door. They are, I think, 

11 looking or waiting for you if you are testifying on 

12 Panel 22. 

13 (Pause.) 

14 MR. GRUNDLER: If we could go ahead, Mr. Anderson? 

15 MR. ANDERSON: Thank you. 

16 My name is Bob Anderson, representing Chevron, an 

17 obligated party under the RFS program. 

18 Chevron has approximately 7,400 employees in our 

19 downstream U.S. business. We operate in 14 States, 

20 with 5 refineries and 28 product distribution 

21 terminals. We're supported by 7,800 gasoline retail 

22 stations, 95 percent of which are owned by marketers, 

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1 jobbers, and independent business people. 

2 We supply more than 20 million gallons of gasoline 

3 and diesel fuel to the U.S. market every day, which is 

4 over 4 percent of the domestic transportation fuel 

5 demand. Chevron is pleased that EPA has acknowledged 

6 the primary issue of the E10 blend wall. 

7 We were encouraged that EPA is proposing to use 

8 both its statutory waiver authority under the 

9 cellulosic biofuel waiver and general waiver 

10 provisions. When RINs become constrained in the 

11 market, obligated parties are at risk of being unable 

12 to comply with the RFS, and significant economic harm 

13 could result. 

14 This scenario clearly warrants EPA's use of the 

15 waivers. Chevron agrees with the Administrator's 

16 determination that the blend wall meets the finding of 

17 an inadequate domestic supply. Chevron strongly 

18 encourages EPA to maintain its interpretation and to 

19 utilize the waiver authority in finalizing the rule. 

20 While Chevron agrees with EPA's use of the 

21 statutory waiver authority, the proposed volumes of 

22 renewable fuel for 2016 will very likely exceed the 
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1 blend wall limit. We recommend that EPA use the same 

2 methodology for 2016 as proposed for 2015 and keep the 

3 volume standards below the blend wall limit. 

4 EPA's forecast for additional volumes of E85 up to 

5 as much as 600 million gallons per year in 2016 are 

6 unlikely to be met. Our retailers have described their 

7 experience with E85 to be challenging at best. When 

8 implemented, E85 has suffered from very low customer 

9 demand, due to limited vehicle compatibility, cost, and 

10 reduced vehicle mileage, resulting in more frequent 

11 fueling. 

12 The volumes proposed by EPA for the advanced 

13 biofuel and total renewable fuel standards result in 

14 percentages that exceed 20 percent in two consecutive 

15 years. These waiver volumes would trigger the 

16 statutory reset provision. Chevron supports EPA's 

17 intention to activate this reset mechanism and 

18 encourages EPA to develop long-term RFS standards that 

19 are achievable for the market and don't exceed the 

20 blend wall. 

21 Finally, we appreciate EPA's efforts to get the 

22 program back on track by proposing multiyear RFS 

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1 standards for 2014, '15, and '16, and we encourage you 

2 to finalize these rules by November 30th. In 

3 conclusion, the EPA's rule -- proposed rule is a step 

4 in the right direction. However, Chevron still has 

5 ongoing concerns with the RFS. 

6 Despite the tremendous efforts of the EPA by our 

7 industry and many others, the program is fundamentally 

8 unworkable and should be repealed or significantly 

9 reformed. And thank you very much for your time today. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Mr. 

11 Carron, please? 

12 MR. CARRON: Yes. Members of the panel, I am 

13 Brian Carron, executive marketing representative for 

14 HollyFrontier, a merchant petroleum refiner with 

15 operations throughout the Rocky Mountains, Southwest, 

16 and Great Plains, including the nearby El Dorado 

17 refinery, the largest within the State of Kansas. 

18 Given time limitations, my focus today is on 

19 issues most profoundly felt by merchant refiners like 

20 HollyFrontier. However, we do voice support for 

21 comments provided by AFPM. 

22 We appreciate EPA's use of the general waiver 

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1 authority in the proposed RVOs. Given the current 

2 state of consumer demand relative to volumes originally 

3 prescribed under the RFS, it is appropriate to have 

4 called upon the general waiver to specifically prevent 

5 the blending of more than 10 percent ethanol into the 

6 gasoline supply. 

7 We all recognize the RFS program needs repair, and 

8 the RIN market is dysfunctional. Market fundamentals 

9 no longer dictate RIN prices. Rather, prices are 

10 driven by speculation, hoarding due to fear of RIN 

11 shortages. 

12 As a merchant refiner without retail operations, 

13 HollyFrontier is limited in our ability to blend 

14 ethanol with petroleum fuels. Most of our gasoline 

15 production is transported via common carrier pipeline 

16 to large-volume customers who may or may not blend 

17 renewable fuels to the receiving terminals before 

18 distributing to the retail outlets. 

19 This blending is outside our control, and we must 

20 participate in a dysfunctional RIN market to cover our 

21 obligation. This creates a significant and 

22 disproportionate financial burden to our company and 

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1 other merchant refiners. This disconnect was 

2 highlighted in a recent study from Columbia University 

3 by James Stock, who stated, "The purpose of the RIN 

4 system is to ensure compliance with the RFS, not to add 

5 price risk to the balance sheets of obligated parties 

6 that happen to have generation obligation mismatch." 

7 Based on EPA's most recent projections, we are 

8 concerned that the proposed 2016 volume will breach the 

9 E10 blend wall. Some have stated there is capacity in 

10 the RIN bank to provide coverage in that year. Dipping 

11 into the RIN bank will encourage marketplace hoarding 

12 and add greater uncertainty to the RIN markets. 

13 There is a market need not only to maintain the 

14 current level of carryover RINs, but also to rebuild a 

15 full 20 percent of banked RINS. This will help ensure 

16 obligated parties can meet the compliance in outlying 

17 years of the program. 

18 As you review comments, we urge you to repair the 

19 RFS and the RIN market by utilizing EPA's general 

20 waiver authority to establish reasonable RVOs for each 

21 year while allowing for a rebuild in the RIN bank. In 

22 addition, HollyFrontier asks for EPA to pursue 
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1 structural reforms to the RFS, which would redefine 

2 obligated parties not solely as refiners, but rather 

3 the blender of record. 

4 Thanks again for the opportunity to comment today. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Carron. Mr. 

6 Ostrander, please? 

7 MR. OSTRANDER: Thank you. 

8 I'm Jeremy Ostrander. I'm here with AgriVision 

9 Equipment Group. We supply equipment and services to 

10 agricultural and construction industries, as well as to 

11 consumers. 

12 We run a family-owned business that employs about 

13 350 people. This business was founded in 1899 and has 

14 weathered many economic cycles, driven by weather, 

15 Government decision, market-based demand, and today 

16 worldwide markets and economies. 

17 I'm here today to talk about a couple areas that 

18 affect the people that we serve in our area. This is 

19 the economic impact, as well as the timing of this 

20 decision. 

21 The rural economy has improved in the last 10 

22 years to a level that it's not seen since the 1970s. 

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1 With this, we've seen a return of many young families 

2 to rural communities. In fact, the land grant 

3 university that I graduated from has seen more people 

4 return from their agricultural colleges to the 

5 communities than any other time in history. I think 

6 this speaks well for the future of what appeared to be 

7 a stable economy in the heart of America in the last 5 

8 years. 

9 With the RFS, there has been considerable 

10 investment in these areas to support the mandate by 

11 Congress to meet the renewable fuel standards. These 

12 investments have helped to stimulate the economy in 

13 recent years in these communities, counties, and 

14 States. For many of our business customers, this has 

15 been an investment in land, equipment, seed, and other 

16 things based on Congress' promise that the RFS would 

17 provide a stable market for corn ethanol. 

18 Ethanol has become an essential value-added market 

19 for the American farmer, stimulating investment and 

20 enhancing economic opportunities in their communities 

21 and beyond. This has helped transform the grain sector 

22 from a surplus-driven marketplace to one that is 

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1 vibrant, high tech, and demand driven. 

2 So how does this affect the local economy? 

3 Keeping the grain demand at a moderate to high level 

4 supports land values. Land values drive property tax 

5 base, which is vital to supporting the schools, roads, 

6 and other public services. 

7 And then the other piece is just straight-up 

8 income. Farm income trickles down through the fabric 

9 of America. We've already seen job reductions and 

10 pressures on the local economy with the recent 24-month 

11 drop in corn and soybean prices. 

12 The proposed RFS changes would drive a further 

13 reduction in corn prices of 25 to 75 cents. So let's 

14 use the middle of that, and let's assume 50 cents per 

15 bushel. 

16 We serve about 30 counties that sit between Kansas 

17 City, Omaha, and Des Moines. For the average county 

18 that we call on, each county produces about 15 million 

19 bushels of corn. So a 50 cent reduction in each bushel 

20 of corn reduces the income in each of those counties by 

21 about $7.5 million. 

22 If you average this for each family in that 

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1 county, the average actual -- the average reduction in 

2 income for each of our customers is about $85,000 per 

3 family business. That is enough to push income levels 

4 possibly below break-even levels. The average income, 

5 if you average across -- 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: If you could please wrap up? 

7 MR. OSTRANDER: Okay. Across each family in that 

8 county would be about $1,500 to $2,000 per family. 

9 The other piece is timing. We ask that, in 

10 summary, that you stay firm on the original RFS 

11 schedule in support of continued economic stability in 

12 our communities and States. 

13 I realize that adjustments are a fact of life. I 

14 ask that you consider the timing of this and future 

15 adjustments. 

16 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. 

17 MR. OSTRANDER: Thank you. 

18 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Podliska? 

19 MR. PODLISKA: Thank you. 

20 I'm Rick Podliska. I'm with the American 

21 Motorcylist Association, and we represent about 213,000 

22 riders nationwide. 
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1 And I want to thank the EPA for allowing this 

2 opportunity to comment on the proposed RVO rule for 

3 2014, 2015, and 2016. 

4 The AMA urges the EPA to not increase and instead 

5 to lower the proposed volumes when the final rule is 

6 issued November 30th. Proposed volumes would increase 

7 the risk of inadvertent misfueling for motorcyclists 

8 and all-terrain vehicle owners by forcing the 

9 widespread availability of higher ethanol fuel blends, 

10 such as E15. 

11 The EPA proposal would increase the amount of 

12 ethanol from all sources in the nation's fuel supply to 

13 17.4 billion gallons in 2016, up from 15.93 billion 

14 gallons in 2014. Those increases would come despite 

15 the EPA's acknowledgment that the market cannot absorb 

16 these higher ethanol production rates. 

17 The practical effect of the EPA's action is that 

18 the ethanol production will exceed the blend wall. 

19 That means more E15 and less E10 on the market. 

20 Moreover, the proposed rule calls for the 

21 expansion of use of renewable fuels to meet the 2016 

22 standards by providing grants to retail owners and 

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1 locating stations offering E15, E85 closest to higher 

2 populations of vehicles that can use those fuels and 

3 developing contractual mechanisms to ensure favorable 

4 pricing of E15 and E85 at retail compared to E10 to 

5 boost sales volumes. In other words, the EPA is 

6 proposing Federal grants and price controls to increase 

7 the amount of the higher than E10 ethanol-blended fuels 

8 into the marketplace. The AMA strongly disagrees with 

9 this approach. 

10 Regarding E0, the EPA discounts it and does not 

11 factor it in in its scenarios. The EPA views E0 as a 

12 constraint on the volume of ethanol that can be 

13 consumed and expects such volumes to be lower than they 

14 were in the past as the market tries to expand 

15 consumption of ethanol under the influence of the RFS 

16 program. 

17 This statement contradicts the data from the 

18 Federal Energy Information Administration that shows 

19 that demand for E0 rose from 3.4 percent in 2012 to 

20 nearly 7 percent in 2014. Consumers want E0 for their 

21 motorcycles, ATVs, boats, lawn mowers, and other 

22 equipment because it does not pose the risk of engine 

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1 and fuel system damage. 

2 Most importantly, the proposed rule mentions the 

3 likelihood of misfueling only once. The rule states, 

4 "In June of 2011, the EPA finalized regulations to 

5 prevent misfueling of vehicles, engines, and equipment 

6 not covered by the partial waiver decisions." 

7 This is the same misfueling mitigation plan that 

8 initially mandated a 4-gallon minimum fuel purchase to 

9 address the concerns raised by the AMA. It eventually 

10 was revised in 2013 to the current plan following our 

11 complaints. Yet it is still easily misunderstood, 

12 misapplied, or ignored by State governments and 

13 producers, distributors, and inventors. 

14 MR. GRUNDLER: If you could please wrap up, sir? 

15 MR. PODLISKA: Indeed, the EPA has made it illegal 

16 for motorcycles and ATVs users to use E15 fuel and yet 

17 seems to have little interest in the misfueling issue. 

18 It seems the EPA's proposed rule does not consider the 

19 concerns of motorcyclists and ATV owners despite 

20 knowing that none of the estimated 22 million 

21 motorcycles and ATVs in use in the United States is 

22 approved to use E15 or higher ethanol blends. 

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1 Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments. 

2 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Kempker? 

3 MR. KEMPKER: All right. My name is William 

4 Kempker, and I represent Freedom of Road Riders, a 

5 motorcycle rights organization from Missouri, and the 

6 MRF, Motorcycle Riders Foundation. We represent around 

7 250,000 politically active motorcyclists in Missouri 

8 and around the nation. 

9 As the motorcyclists, who are consumers of 

10 gasoline and gasoline/ethanol blends for our 

11 motorcycles, our vehicles, and all our other power 

12 equipment, we are very concerned about the amount of 

13 ethanol that is already in the gasoline that we are 

14 buying and worried about the expansion of ethanol use 

15 in fuel. Manufacturers of motorcycles and ATVs 

16 recommend the use of ethanol-free fuel in these 

17 vehicles. 

18 Increasing the amount of ethanol in fuel or 

19 expansion of the types of ethanol fuel blends likely 

20 will create increased mechanical issues for motorcycles 

21 and recreational power equipment. Fuel pumps that vend 

22 several types of fuel through the same nozzle, or 
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1 blender pumps, pose a definite hazard for 

2 motorcyclists. These types of pumps are becoming more 

3 prevalent throughout the industry with this type of 

4 pump. 

5 When we fill up with fuel, we are at the mercy of 

6 whoever filled up before us. If the person before us 

7 filled up with an E15 blend, then about the first 

8 gallon we get will have ethanol in it. Keep in mind 

9 that some motorcycles will only take about 2 gallons of 

10 gas. 

11 The gallon of blended fuel already in the pump 

12 combined with the gallon of 100 percent gasoline ends 

13 with the equivalent ratio near that of an E10 blender 

14 fuel in these small tanks, when the rider did not want 

15 any. 

16 We'll also willingly pay the higher pump price for 

17 ethanol-free fuel. Yet we are still getting an unknown 

18 amount of ethanol in the fuel we purchase through a 

19 blender pump. 

20 Even the manufacturers of our lawn mowers, 

21 weedeaters, and chainsaws do not recommend any ethanol 

22 in our products. Personally, in an attempt to avoid 

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1 the issue at the gas station, I will pump 3 to 4 

2 gallons of gas in my truck, then fill my gas can so 

3 that I don't get any ethanol in the fuel that I will 

4 use in my lawn mowers and weedeaters. This is not a 

5 viable option for the motorcyclists with small tanks. 

6 As consumers, we have the right to choose if we 

7 would want to use ethanol or not. We should be able to 

8 pull up to the pumps and know exactly what we are 

9 putting in our tanks and not have to worry about what 

10 the guy before us has put in. As it stands right now, 

11 we cannot do it. 

12 Increasing the amount of ethanol allowed in fuel 

13 or adding higher ethanol options to pumps will just 

14 make matters worse. Those of us who own or, more 

15 importantly, have to pay the price for maintenance of 

16 engines, large and small, that are not designed to 

17 consume ethanol should continue to be allowed the 

18 choice of 100 percent gasoline, unadulterated by the 

19 previous consumer. 

20 Simply because the makers and vendors of ethanol 

21 and blended fuel thinks it's all right to run in all 

22 gasoline engines doesn't mean that's our personal 

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1 choice of fuel -- that our personal choice of fuel 

2 should be compromised. 

3 As blender pumps become more prevalent and if 

4 ethanol increases, motorcyclists will have fewer 

5 options, greater risk of breakdown, and increased 

6 maintenance cost. 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Lewan? 

8 MR. LEWAN: My name is Michael Lewan, and I'm with 

9 the National Marine Manufacturers Association, which 

10 represents 1,400 businesses in the recreational boating 

11 industry. Our member companies provide an important 

12 recreational outlet for 88 million Americans, and we 

13 provide a significant economic boost to the country, 

14 supporting 650,000 jobs and $121 billion in annual 

15 economic activity. 

16 NMMA and our member companies have strong 

17 reservations against the proposed RVOs. Our engines 

18 are designed and calibrated to run on fuels up to 10 

19 percent ethanol by volume and by EPA's own requirements 

20 are federally prohibited to run higher blends. And for 

21 good reason. 

22 In 2011, a DOE study of E15's effects on marine 

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1 engines proved utilizing high-ethanol blends can lead 

2 to significant issues for marine engine consumers and 

3 can result in premature engine failure. The EPA's 

4 proposal threatens our engines. 

5 To meet the 2016 RVOs, 840 million gallons of 

6 excess ethanol will be needed at the expense of 

7 ethanol-free fuel. The proposal estimates that E0 

8 production will decline from 9.3 billion gallons to 130 

9 million gallons. This, despite the fact that E0 demand 

10 doubled between 2012 and 2014 to the current 7 percent 

11 of the country's fuel supply. 

12 E0 is the preferred fuel choice for marine 

13 engines, particularly for our legacy fleet of which 

14 there are still 16 million in use. The boating demand 

15 for E0 is real, and it is not diminishing. 

16 Seventy-one percent of the 9,000 E0 locations are 

17 located in the top 20 States for boater registration. 

18 Many in the boating public seek out E0 for its proven 

19 performance qualities. The RVO proposal would be 

20 denying these consumers choice at the pump. 

21 Additionally, the proposal fails to guarantee that 

22 fuels E10 or lower are universally available at all 
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1 retail service stations where the vast majority of our 

2 consumers purchase fuel. Without the guaranteed 

3 availability of approved fuels, a station with a 

4 dedicated E15 hose is not required to additionally sell 

5 E10 or lower blends. Such a scenario would leave our 

6 consumers without appropriate alternatives. 

7 Finally, NMMA continues to have concerns over the 

8 EPA's misfueling mitigation plan. A lone sticker on a 

9 gas pump is insufficient and ineffective. It does 

10 nothing to actually inform the consumers, not to 

11 mention it is easily lost amongst the signage, 

12 advertisements, and other labels common to a modern 

13 fuel pump. 

14 In absence of a stronger misfueling mitigation 

15 plan, the risk to misfueling increases as more E15 

16 comes on the market. The onus to properly warn and 

17 educate consumers should rest with the EPA. 

18 NMMA strongly feels that the RVO proposal should 

19 be modified in a manner that reflects actual fuel 

20 consumption specifically for E0 demand that guarantees 

21 the universal supply of approved fuels and that 

22 contains an enhanced misfueling mitigation plan. We 

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1 look forward to working with the EPA to achieve these 

2 common sense goals, and we will be submitting more 

3 substantial written comments along with today's 

4 testimony. 

5 Thank you. 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, and thank you, Panel 15. 

7 If we could have Panel 17 move up and Panel 19 get 

8 ready? 

9 (Pause.) 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: All right. Go ahead, Panel 17, 

11 with Mr. Demmer. 

12 MR. DEMMER: Yes, thank you. 

13 Jerry Demmer, farm corn and soybeans in southern 

14 Minnesota, and I'm also a director on the Minnesota 

15 Corn Research and Promotion Council. 

16 As a Minnesota corn farmer, I'm proud to have 

17 played a role in helping Minnesota become the first 

18 State to blend 10 percent ethanol in its entire fuel 

19 supply. For nearly 20 years, we've enjoyed the 

20 benefits of ethanol-blended fuel in our air quality and 

21 economy. 

22 Before Minnesota took this important step, the air 

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1 quality in our Twin Cities metro region was so poor, it 

2 was in nonattainment status with the EPA. Not long 

3 after blending 10 percent ethanol, our air quality 

4 improved and exceeded EPA standards. 

5 The Minnesota Corn Growers are also playing a 

6 leading role in growing the availability of mid-level 

7 ethanol blends in our State. Soon over 30 stations 

8 will be dispensing E15 through flex-fuel pumps, and we 

9 have 300 stations that carry ethanol blends, giving the 

10 consumers a real choice at the pump. 

11 I've seen firsthand that the blend wall is a myth. 

12 If you have the infrastructure to deliver homegrown 

13 biofuels, consumers will buy them. If EPA slashes the 

14 RFS and fails to implement the law as Congress 

15 originally intended, it will be a major step backward 

16 to our country's energy policy. We've made too much 

17 progress on renewable fuels, especially in Minnesota, 

18 to go in the wrong direction. 

19 The United States should be taking a lead in using 

20 more clean, renewable, and homegrown sources of energy. 

21 Instead, we're talking about cutting the RFS, the 

22 result of which would be a continued, but unsustainable 

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1 reliance on fossil fuels. 

2 On behalf of all Minnesota corn farmers and all 

3 Minnesotans who breathe the air, drive a car, and want 

4 more choices at the pump, don't mess with the RFS. 

5 It's working. Changing it now would be the wrong thing 

6 to do for our environment, our economy, and last, but 

7 not least, our energy security. 

8 Thank you. 

9 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Demmer. Mr. Sowers, 

10 please? 

11 MR. SOWERS: Well, good afternoon. My name is 

12 Bryan Sowers. I'm a partner, announcer for the Crappie 

13 Masters Tournament Trail, and also cohost of Crappie 

14 Masters TV. And we fully support the RFS as intended 

15 by Congress. 

16 You know, I get a chance to see hundreds of boats 

17 and boaters every year who support homegrown renewable 

18 fuel and safely are using E10 in their boat. In fact, 

19 every one of our tournament winners this year have used 

20 E10 in their boat. 

21 I can tell you, with thousands of dollars on the 

22 line, these guys' boats have to perform to get to their 
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1 destination quickly, and they can't afford to be broken 

2 down. And they all have trusted ethanol fuel. 

3 You might ask why. Well, first off, none of them 

4 have had any issues with it whatsoever. And second, 

5 they all know every major outboard engine manufacturer 

6 has approved E10 for safe use in those motors. Many of 

7 them don't even use an additive. I don't. 

8 And the ones that do are using it not out of 

9 concern for ethanol. It's actually out of concern of 

10 the gas blend. In fact, beside me, I have a stack of 

11 signatures right here from tournament teams from our 

12 tournament last weekend on Truman Lake supporting 

13 ethanol and renewable fuel. 

14 We do about 18 different tournaments across the 

15 country every year. That's one tournament. You can 

16 imagine the thousands of signatures of boaters out 

17 there and fishermen, tournament fishermen that support 

18 this, if this is put over a year's time. 

19 To be frank, every boater out there is smart 

20 enough to choose the correct fuel in their boat. You 

21 know, myself as a boater and fisherman, I pride myself 

22 on being an environmentalist for future generations of 

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1 anglers. However, with this proposed rule, the 

2 Environmental Protection Agency, with all due respect, 

3 is not doing their job. 

4 I support higher blends of ethanol for my vehicle. 

5 I support E10 in my boat, as it is a cleaner for the 

6 environment fuel and reduces harmful emissions that are 

7 being pumped into our lake by low-quality gasoline 

8 being distributed by oil, not to mention you hear all 

9 the it seems like every year oil slicks that occur 

10 every year all across the United States which harm and 

11 even kill ecosystems that are homes for aquatic life. 

12 Now is not the time to move backward when it comes 

13 to developing alternatives to fossil fuels and foreign 

14 oil. We must move forward. Continuing to implement 

15 the RFS at the intended levels is vital to increasing 

16 our energy independence, improving the environment, and 

17 supporting American agriculture and our environment. 

18 You know, American families who love boating, 

19 fishing, swimming, et cetera, in our lakes, rivers, and 

20 streams want to do it in the best-quality water 

21 possible. And by reducing the RFS, you simply put all 

22 of that in jeopardy. 

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1 Now I'm a grandfather of a 9-year-old grandson who 

2 loves to fish, loves to boat, loves to swim, and I 

3 don't want to be and have to be in that position one 

4 day to have to look him in the eye and say, "Sorry, 

5 Blake, this water is not safe to fish in. This water 

6 is not safe to boat in, to swim in." 

7 And I don't think anyone in this room or outside 

8 of it wants to see that happen or be in that position. 

9 Thank you so much for your time. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. 

11 (Applause.) 

12 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Porter, please? Mr. Porter? 

13 MR. PORTER: Yes, thank you for the opportunity 

14 for me to tell you the story about my family farm. 

15 My name is Gary Porter. My mom and brother and I 

16 operate the family farm in north central Missouri. We 

17 have a grain and livestock farm. 

18 The RFS has brought new life to our rural economy, 

19 like cheaper fuel, good feed for our livestock, cleaner 

20 air, and better prices for our corn. Our little town's 

21 gas station closed up, and we had to drive for miles to 

22 fill up. So with the promise from Congress and the 

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1 exciting future of ethanol, my family decided to invest 

2 and reopen that little gas station in our town. 

3 We wanted to improve it by providing more choices. 

4 So we put in blender pumps, and now we provide E20, 

5 E30, E85, regular unleaded, clear and dyed diesel. And 

6 unlike I've heard before, the hose that comes out of 

7 the regular unleaded is a separate hose. 

8 You do not depend on who got the fuel before you 

9 because that hose has a yellow nozzle beside it. 

10 That's the one that distributes the E20, 30, and 85. 

11 So you will get the 10, just like you're supposed to. 

12 This little station before us sold 8,000 gallons a 

13 month. But we opened this up, gave our customers more 

14 choices, and now we're selling over 90,000 gallons a 

15 month. 

16 But now the EPA wants to pull the rug out from 

17 under our family farm's total operation. These cuts 

18 would hurt our feed supply for our livestock, would 

19 raise the price of fuel, and lower the price of corn 

20 even more. 

21 Today, there are 10 million bushels more corn in 

22 the world than there were just 10 years ago. We need 
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1 more markets, not less. 

2 The RFS was working and growing right along with 

3 the corn yield trends of the United States. Corn price 

4 now is $3.40. That's 85 cents a bushel less than my 

5 break-even for an average yield. 

6 This is the worst possible time to cut a program 

7 that is working. For the life of me, I cannot 

8 understand cutting a program that is homegrown, better 

9 for the environment, and working just like it's 

10 supposed to. 

11 In closing, in sports we have a review or a 

12 challenge to revisit a call that is made, and in order 

13 to reverse the call, there has to be a clear evidence 

14 that the call was wrong to overturn it. Well, Congress 

15 made the call in 2007, and now the EPA is calling to 

16 review it or challenge it. 

17 But by the support I've seen here today and the 

18 testimonies I've heard and the facts I gave you about 

19 our family farm and our family's gas station, it should 

20 be an easy decision that you cannot overturn what 

21 Congress did in 2007. And I ask you to let Congress' 

22 call stand as the right call for the United States. 

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1 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. 

2 (Applause.) 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Schutte, please? 

4 MR. SCHUTTE: My name is Jay Schutte. I farm with 

5 my brothers and niece's husband near the town of Benton 

6 City, Missouri. 

7 For the record, I am not just a farmer. I am also 

8 a board member of Mid-America Biofuels, a biodiesel 

9 facility in Mexico, Missouri; a board member and 

10 treasurer of East Central Ag Products, which is the 

11 farmer-owned portion of POET biorefining facility in 

12 Laddonia, Missouri; and a board member on the Missouri 

13 Corn Growers and Missouri Corn Merchandising Council. 

14 In my area of the world, homegrown, renewable 

15 fuels have not just helped the agricultural economy, 

16 but given us a sense of prosperity. Gone are the days 

17 of subsidy payments received from the Government 

18 because the grain prices were so terribly low. 

19 I am here today to ask that the RVO levels be kept 

20 intact. I am a firm believer that the role of 

21 government should be limited, and the role of 

22 government should be to do for the people what they 

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1 cannot do for themselves. Before the RFS, the American 

2 consumer could not ask for a blend of ethanol as an 

3 individual. 

4 The oil companies have long had a monopoly on the 

5 liquid fuel industry, and the RFS provides the American 

6 consumer with a clean, safe alternative. The term 

7 "free markets" is used quite often today. What we 

8 really need are fair markets. The oil companies do not 

9 have a monopoly in the marketplace, but they certainly 

10 have a monopoly of ideology, and that ideology is to 

11 reduce, if not eliminate, ethanol from the market. 

12 By allowing ethanol to stay in the market today, 

13 the American consumer is given an economic benefit, and 

14 that is the freedom that is at stake today. The 

15 economic benefits to my State are far-reaching. Here 

16 in Missouri, 15 percent of the people are employed in 

17 agriculture or agriculturally related fields. Corn and 

18 ethanol industry in my State employs 67,000 people. 

19 From 2000 to 2011, corn ethanol industry provided 

20 an economic benefit to the State of $12 billion, paid 

21 in $127 million annually in State and local taxes, $222 

22 million in Federal taxes. The POET plant in my area 

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1 employs 40 people and pays property taxes to the local 

2 school district of around $150,000. In a town of 240 

3 people, this is very significant. 

4 I would consider this a significant contribution 

5 to my State and to my community from an industry that 

6 is really very young and not receiving a subsidy. 

7 Today, we are asking that the RVO be maintained at the 

8 current levels. 

9 In conclusion, we have a fragile economic 

10 situation in rural America. There is a very simple 

11 solution that is in place that does not cost the 

12 taxpayer one cent, and that is to leave the RVO levels 

13 as they are. I cannot help but think that the analogy 

14 of Benjamin Franklin that democracy is two wolves and a 

15 sheep voting on what to have for dinner, but liberty is 

16 when you have a well-armed sheep. 

17 The production efficiencies have improved in the 

18 ethanol industry. Can the oil industry say the same 

19 thing? Corn prices have dropped over 50 percent from 

20 the levels in reaction to the 2008 drought. Has the 

21 food industry reduced their prices because of these 

22 savings? 
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1 The only protection the ethanol industry has is 

2 the RFS and the RVO. 

3 Thank you very much for your time. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. 

5 (Applause.) 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Hurst, please? 

7 MR. HURST: Thank you. Good afternoon. 

8 My name is Kevin Hurst. I'm involved in a multi9 generational family farm around the town of Tarkio in 

10 northwest Missouri, and we raise yellow corn, white 

11 corn, and soybeans. Today, I should be planting. 

12 Nonstop rains have kept us out of the field and 

13 put our operation at risk. I cannot control that. 

14 What is unfortunate, though, is today we again have to 

15 be here to remind the EPA they are ignoring the law 

16 with regard to the proposed RVO numbers. 

17 As president of the Missouri Corn Growers 

18 Association, I speak on behalf of our members when I 

19 say that the ethanol continues to be a very important 

20 and key market for our product, and the RFS is working 

21 as intended. 

22 We, as corn farmers, have upheld our commitment to 

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1 the RFS by supplying the production necessary to 

2 produce plenty of ethanol. The oil industry, on the 

3 other hand, has not upheld their end of the deal by 

4 moving to higher blends. 

5 What good does it do to pass a law if you are not 

6 going to enforce it? The oil industry must be forced 

7 to move to higher blends by strict enforcement of the 

8 RFS statute. 

9 We've heard about the blend wall today, and it's 

10 important to point out that the blend wall only exists 

11 because the oil industry has manufactured it and the 

12 EPA has bought into it. The blend wall does not exist 

13 if you stick to the statutory numbers necessary and 

14 drive investment in infrastructure which is what the 

15 RFS was also intended to do. 

16 And I should point out at this point that the oil 

17 industry has had 8 long years to improve 

18 infrastructure, and they chose not to do it. The oil 

19 companies can comply with the law by blending the 

20 statutory amount or by purchasing RINs. They can move 

21 to higher blends of ethanol easily, and frankly, they 

22 have no excuse not to blend to the statutory level of 

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1 15 billion gallons. 

2 I appreciate your traveling to the Midwest for 

3 this hearing, and I hope this time that you listen to 

4 the voices of the many farmers that are in this room. 

5 We have fought hard for the ethanol industry, and we 

6 will continue fighting hard for the ethanol industry. 

7 But the EPA must hold up its end of the agreement and 

8 enforce the RFS like that was intended by the will of 

9 Congress, not by the will of the oil companies. 

10 (Applause.) 

11 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Heitman, please? 

12 MR. HEITMAN: My name is Morris Heitman. I'm 

13 involved in the family farm operation and also the 

14 current chairman of the Missouri Corn Merchandising 

15 Council. 

16 When it comes to a market for our corn, ethanol is 

17 a big deal, and this decision is also a big deal. In 

18 the State of Missouri alone, the RFS drives $6.3 

19 billion in annual economic output. It supports 43,000 

20 jobs, $1.5 billion in wages, and cultivates over $474 

21 million in taxes. 

22 These taxes keep our rural communities and schools 

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1 moving forward. The wages ensure families can stay in 

2 rural Missouri. 

3 I mentioned before that ethanol is a big deal when 

4 it comes to our market for our corn. As a member of 

5 the Merchandising Council, we are constantly analyzing 

6 our markets and where our dollars should be invested to 

7 increase corn demand. This analysis is why we continue 

8 to invest in ethanol, from consumer education to 

9 helping retailers install equipment. 

10 We were excited when the USDA announced $100 

11 million in funding for ethanol infrastructure. We have 

12 already decided to commit $1 million to that effort in 

13 the State of Missouri. 

14 Given this historic investment in infrastructure, 

15 it would be unthinkable for EPA not to move back to the 

16 statutory numbers by November. Fifteen billion gallons 

17 of corn-based ethanol by 2015 is what everyone agreed 

18 to in 2007. Corn farmers have stuck by our agreement, 

19 and EPA and big oil must do the same. 

20 Thank you. 

21 (Applause.) 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony, and 
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1 thank you to Panel 17. If we could have Panel 19 move 

2 up and Panel 21 get ready? 

3 (Pause.) 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Is Mr. Baker here? Yes? No? 

5 Okay. And we'll begin with Ms. Bertz. 

6 MS. BERTZ: To the members of the EPA working on 

7 the renewable fuel standard, thank you for your time 

8 today. 

9 My name is Kim Bertz, and I live in rural 

10 Lafayette County, Missouri. I'm a farm wife, a mother 

11 of three daughters, fully committed to the agricultural 

12 industry, and I also represent Novozymes, who I have 

13 worked for the past 8 years. 

14 I appreciate the work you do. It's a 

15 responsibility for research, analysis, and foresight to 

16 do what's right for our nation and the generations to 

17 come. 

18 A healthy America is strong. It's sustainable and 

19 independently able to nurture and defend itself. 

20 America and the EPA has the opportunity to create even 

21 greater strength for its people, its purpose, its pride 

22 in generations to come. That opportunity is the RFS. 

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1 Fuel is the lifeblood of this widespread, 

2 resource-rich nation, enabling development and 

3 production of goods and services, people and industry 

4 to move throughout and across its borders. However, as 

5 America grows, we need to increase our own inner 

6 strength and sustainability, becoming less dependent on 

7 foreign countries. 

8 I fully support a strong RFS and because 

9 increasing domestic renewable fuel leads to greater 

10 national security, more American jobs, and lower 

11 greenhouse gas emissions and lower gas prices. The RFS 

12 is that strong foundation, our inner strength, enabling 

13 our homegrown sustainable fuels that give our nation 

14 the ability to thrive. 

15 Living on a western Missouri production 

16 agriculture corn and soybean farm, I see and feel the 

17 widespread benefits of the RFS. Not only do our crops 

18 produce American fuel and livestock to feed American 

19 families, but I personally work in the bioenergy 

20 sector. 

21 I see and feel every day the incredible effect the 

22 RFS has, from city to farm, national, State, and rural 

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1 community development. I don't know any program or 

2 idea put into place that has a greater opportunity to 

3 affect more Americans and strengthen our country than 

4 the RFS. 

5 The developers of the RFS, they were brilliant. 

6 The EPA, however, has submitted a proposal that would 

7 severely weaken America and directly contradicts the 

8 EPA's other efforts, such as reducing the greenhouse 

9 gas emissions. That proposal could increase the 

10 greenhouse gas emissions equal to putting 2.1 million 

11 more cars back on the road. 

12 Renewable biofuels are the cleanest and the most 

13 sustainable liquid fuel that we have in the world and 

14 is the last industry you should consider ever pulling 

15 back from. In the final rule, the EPA should require 

16 obligated party compliance with the laws by blending 

17 increasing volumes of renewable fuels. 

18 Please support American ethanol, American jobs, a 

19 cleaner environment, and greater national security. 

20 Please support a stable RFS. The RFS works. 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Nixon, please? 

22 MR. NIXON: My name is Kyle Nixon. I live in 

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1 Omaha, Nebraska. I'm the general manager for Novozymes 

2 at our plant in Blair, Nebraska. We provide enzymes 

3 solely for ethanol plants. 

4 I am writing in support of the renewable fuel 

5 standard, and I hope you will consider my comments when 

6 making your decision. 

7 I support a strong Federal RFS because we need 

8 more alternatives to our transportation fuel supply. A 

9 diverse transportation fuel supply means lower 

10 greenhouse gas emissions, greater economic development, 

11 and jobs here in America. It also means lower gas 

12 prices and greater national security. 

13 On May 29th, the EPA released its proposed rule 

14 for 2014, '15, and '16 renewable volume obligations 

15 under the RFS. The EPA has proposed reducing the oil 

16 industry's obligation to blend renewable fuel into 

17 gasoline. That directly contradicts the EPA's other 

18 efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. 

19 This proposal would increase greenhouse gas 

20 emissions by almost 10 million metric tons, the same 

21 effect as putting 2.1 million more cars on the road. 

22 In the final rule, EPA should require obligated parties 
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1 to comply with the law by blending increasing volumes 

2 of renewable fuels. 

3 Novozymes chose Blair, Nebraska, over several 

4 different locations globally. The reason was simple. 

5 There was a market for enzymes in the ethanol industry, 

6 and Blair is in a centralized location close to our 

7 customers. One of the drivers of that market is the 

8 RFS. Because of that market, Novozymes has invested 

9 over $240 million into our plant in Blair. 

10 I was there from the beginning, and I watched as 

11 we built this plant from the ground up and now have 

12 over 115 employees. Those employees came to Novozymes 

13 to better their lives and work for a company that cares 

14 about the environment. At Novozymes, we strive daily 

15 to reduce our use of water and energy and have made 

16 this a goal for all of our plants globally. 

17 As a company, we strive to support our local 

18 communities. We help with funding to our local 

19 community college so that students in Blair and the 

20 surrounding communities have choices when they 

21 graduate. We support local events and want to be an 

22 integral part of our community. 

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1 I see how our employees care about our company and 

2 our customers and appreciate where they work and where 

3 they live. I have witnessed how we have changed lives 

4 and improved the economy for the City of Blair and also 

5 for the State of Nebraska. 

6 We also built this plant for growth, but that is 

7 only possible if the market continues to grow. The RFS 

8 plays a strong role in continuing what we started. 

9 Please change the final proposal so that it complies 

10 with the existing law and continues to diversify our 

11 national fuel supply with low-carbon, sustainable 

12 biofuels. 

13 Thank you. 

14 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. Mr. 

15 Williams, please? 

16 MR. WILLIAMS: Hello. My name is Andy Williams. 

17 I live in Omaha, Nebraska. 

18 I'm speaking on behalf of Novozymes, and I'm 

19 testifying in support of the renewable fuel standard. 

20 I hope you will consider my comments when making your 

21 decision. 

22 I support a stronger Federal RFS due to the many 

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1 benefits it provides. These benefits include lower 

2 greenhouse gas emissions, lower gas prices, less 

3 dependence on foreign oil, greater national security, 

4 and most importantly, more American jobs, including my 

5 own. 

6 The proposal directly contradicts the EPA's 

7 efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, increasing 

8 one of the world's leading concerns, global warming. 

9 It also risks the elimination of thousands of American 

10 jobs. 

11 According to the Fuel America Coalition, the 

12 renewable fuels industry, which includes biodiesel, 

13 conventional and cellulosic ethanol, as well as 

14 advanced biofuels and their suppliers, supported 

15 852,000 jobs in 2014. This is an American-built 

16 industry that is leading the world in the production of 

17 the cleanest and most sustainable liquid transportation 

18 fuel. These fuels are available today, thanks in part 

19 to the renewable fuel standard. 

20 I was hired in February of 2012 to be a plant 

21 operator. Since then, I've been promoted to lead 

22 operator at Novozymes in Blair, Nebraska. I oversee 

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1 six operators, not including myself, and half of our 

2 plant on my shift. Our site is a major producer of 

3 enzymes that are used in the cellulosic and corn-based 

4 ethanol plants. 

5 Together with customers, partners, and the global 

6 community, we strive to improve industrial performance 

7 while preserving the planet's resources and helping to 

8 build better lives. This is accomplished by our 

9 enzymes' ability to increase yields while decreasing 

10 our customers' energy and water costs to operate. 

11 Our site broke ground in November of 2009 and 

12 started producing products in July of 2012 specifically 

13 for the biofuel industry. In our almost 3 years of 

14 operation, we have gone from start-up to leading our 

15 company worldwide in almost all of the enzymes for 

16 biofuel that we produce while also having drastically 

17 reduced our energy and water costs. 

18 We are driven at Novozymes by the will to change 

19 our world for the better. Novozymes management has 

20 worked extensively to try and ensure all 100-plus 

21 employees on our site have long-term career 

22 opportunities. I'm excited and feel privileged to work 
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1 for a company that is working toward a greener and 

2 cleaner world. 

3 Please help ensure we can continue our company and 

4 personal goals towards a better tomorrow. In final, 

5 the EPA should require obligated parties to comply with 

6 the law by blending increasing volumes of renewable 

7 fuels. Please support American jobs, a cleaner 

8 environment, greater national security. A stable RFS 

9 is a big step towards a better tomorrow. 

10 Thank you. 

11 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. 

12 (Applause.) 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Bernich, please? 

14 MR. BERNICH: Hello. My name is Mike Bernich. 

15 I'm the fleet manager at Lambert St. Louis 

16 International Airport. 

17 Thank you for giving me this time to share with 

18 you my experience with biodiesel at Lambert Airport in 

19 St. Louis, Missouri. 

20 Lambert first started experimenting with biodiesel 

21 in the late 1980s. We tested mixtures from 5 percent 

22 to 50 percent, specifically concentrating on the 

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1 ability to treat biodiesel as a routine fueling 

2 product. We settled on a 20 percent bioblend, as we 

3 could treat this percentage similar to 100 percent 

4 diesel and still receive the benefits of a cleaner5 burning, less odorous diesel blend. 

6 Biodiesel is presently used in over 200 pieces of 

7 the airport's equipment from single-cylinder diesels to 

8 over 600 horsepower aircraft rescue and firefighting 

9 equipment and specialized airport snow removal 

10 equipment. The use of B20 has resulted in exhaust 

11 indices that are well below the Federal allowable 

12 minimum levels. 

13 With added lubricity, biodiesel has increased 

14 injection pump and injector life. Our operators do not 

15 complain of the harsh smell of diesel exhaust. There 

16 is less dependency on foreign oils, and biodiesel is a 

17 genuine homegrown fuel. 

18 With biodiesel, we do not incur any added cost for 

19 conversions to an alternative homegrown American fuel. 

20 We just purchase the blend and use it. Although 

21 Lambert is just a small user in the overall picture, 

22 our yearly average biodiesel consumption is typically 

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1 over 80,500 gallons. 

2 In closing, I would like to thank the board for 

3 giving me a few moments of their time and also state 

4 that renewable American fuels is leading our nation 

5 into the future. We need to become self-preserving in 

6 our nation's fuel resources. One way to accomplish 

7 this is by Federal policy that encourages and supports 

8 the still young and growing biodiesel producers and 

9 increasing volumes in the proposed 2016 and 2017 

10 regulations. 

11 (Applause.) 

12 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Gayler? 

13 MR. GALES: Thank you. 

14 Good afternoon. My name is Don Gales. I'm the 

15 CEO of White Energy. 

16 We have three ethanol production facilities and 

17 one food-grade wheat processing facility located on the 

18 high plains of Kansas and Texas. We have permitted 

19 capacity of 295 million gallons, and we generate both 

20 conventional and advanced biofuel RINs. 

21 We process corn, grain sorghum, and separated food 

22 waste feedstock from the wheat processing facility. We 

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1 produce some of the lowest carbon intense fuel that's 

2 generated in the United States. 

3 I'll start my comments by what's the value of an 

4 obligation of the United States Government? What's the 

5 value of a Treasury bill? What's the value of the 

6 commitment of the Social Security? And now the line is 

7 what's the value of a law of the United States that's 

8 been appropriately passed and not properly implemented? 

9 Successful businesses make business plans that 

10 take many items into consideration, and they're done to 

11 make sure that the business is going to succeed and 

12 move its business forward. One of the most important 

13 aspects of business plans are the laws that apply to 

14 those businesses. 

15 The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 

16 laid the framework to develop renewable fuel 

17 investments in the United States that would move us to 

18 the next generation with clean fuel. The RFS always 

19 intended to have ethanol inclusions over 10 percent of 

20 the fuel supply. The RFS gave adequate time for 

21 petroleum refining, distribution, and marketing to be 

22 ready for the higher blends. 
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1 I'm an old person. I have gray hair. When the 

2 United States Government took action to phase out 

3 leaded gas out of the U.S. fuel supply, there was a 

4 timeline defined, and the U.S. Government held the 

5 petroleum industry to that timeline to make sure it was 

6 successful. Why hasn't the EPA administered the RFS in 

7 the same manner as the phaseout of leaded gas? 

8 The EPA has chosen to change the intent of the RFS 

9 based off untruths and roadblocks by some of the 

10 participants of the petroleum industry. In the same 

11 breath, the EPA wonders why the industry isn't doing 

12 more to develop advanced biofuels. What business is 

13 going to be able to source capital to invest in the 

14 next generation of biofuels if the EPA isn't going to 

15 enforce the RFS of today? 

16 Changing the RVO based on perceived inadequate 

17 domestic supply is a fallacy. Changing the RVO on 

18 perceived blend wall counteracts incentive, 

19 requirement, and guidance to change the supply 

20 infrastructure. 

21 Brazil has utilized higher blends of ethanol in 

22 cars, motorcycles, and small engines without mechanical 

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1 failures. They are a true testament to what can be 

2 done with higher renewable energy. 

3 The renewable fuels industry has the capacity to 

4 produce lower-carbon fuels than we are today. Without 

5 proper implementation of the RFS, what's the incentive? 

6 Why would the industry invest billions of dollars in 

7 lower carbon technologies? 

8 This can be changed. The EPA can rebuild the 

9 integrity of the RFS by doing what's right with the 

10 RVOs. This will unleash substantial investment into 

11 the facilities that will create billions of gallons of 

12 lower-carbon fuels and will improve our environment, 

13 reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, and increase our 

14 energy security. 

15 Thank you very much for your time this afternoon. 

16 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony, and 

17 thank you, Panel 19. 

18 If we could, before we start with Panel 21, just 

19 take like a 5-minute break, I'd appreciate it. 

20 (Recess.) 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: We're about to get started. If you 

22 could take your seats or go out in the hall. This 

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1 means you, Greco. 

2 I want to welcome Panel 21 up to the table, and 

3 Panel 23 can make your way to the staging area. 

4 On Panel 21 is Steve Howell, David DeRamus, Joshua 

5 Andrews, Andrea Kavaler. Welcome. Please proceed. 

6 MR. HOWELL: Thank you. 

7 Good morning. My name is Steve Howell. I'm a 

8 principal and co-founder of MARC-IV Consulting. I 

9 currently serve as a senior technical adviser for the 

10 National Biodiesel Board. I'm also the chairman of 

11 ASTM International's Biodiesel Task Force, a position 

12 I've held since 1994. 

13 Over the last 20 years, the biodiesel industry has 

14 worked to put into place the practices and options for 

15 successful use of higher biodiesel blends in cold 

16 weather, such as blending with Number 1 diesel fuel, 

17 use of cold-flow additives, or use of the relatively 

18 new Number 1 B grade of B100, which we just recently 

19 put in the D6751 standard. 

20 As an example of this success, B5 has been 

21 mandated over the entire year in Minnesota, one of our 

22 coldest States, with great success. In addition, data 

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1 from the Illinois Bureau of Weights and Measures from 

2 2011 to 2013 indicated 55 percent of the diesel fuel 

3 sold in Illinois, logging an estimated 15 billion 

4 miles, ran blends over B10 with no increase in consumer 

5 complaints. 

6 One railroad company recently tracked cloud point 

7 results, which showed no significant differences in 

8 reported cloud points for batches containing biodiesel 

9 versus those containing no biodiesel in the fuel they 

10 purchased. This data indicates there's no technical 

11 basis to say cold-flow impacts of biodiesel blends 

12 should in any way be a limiting factor for higher 

13 biodiesel volumes being contemplated in the RFS. 

14 Many may not know that biodiesel is also being 

15 used in home heating oil applications as bioheat in 

16 increasing amounts in the 8 billion gallon per year 

17 heating oil market. The National Oil Heat Research 

18 Alliance sees ultra low sulfur, ultra low carbon 

19 biodiesel in increasing concentrations as the future of 

20 their industry to help them transition to a 21st 

21 century fuel with the eventual goal of reaching full 

22 B100 penetration by 2050, 2050. 
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1 To facilitate these higher volumes, 5 percent 

2 biodiesel was incorporated in the ASTM D396 fuel oil 

3 standard in 208. A new B6 to B20 grade was recently 

4 approved just this year in ASTM D396, and ASTM will 

5 start balloting up to B100 in the D396 fuel oil 

6 standard beginning in 2016. 

7 But the market is not waiting for the ASTM 

8 standards to use higher blends of biodiesel. Worley & 

9 Obetz, a leading fuel oil dealer in the northeast, has 

10 been selling B20 blends without incident to their 

11 customers since for over 14 years, and the National Oil 

12 Heat Research Alliance Survey recently indicated over 

13 2,500 customers are already using B21 to B100 blends in 

14 their existing equipment. 

15 This is proof positive that just because equipment 

16 companies haven't formally tested or approved higher 

17 blends doesn't mean higher blends can't be used or that 

18 higher blends are incompatible with new equipment. 

19 Blends are also being transported through our 

20 national pipeline system. Several pipelines are 

21 already carrying biodiesel blends on lines that don't 

22 carry jet fuel, and just recently, we got ASTM 

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1 approval, FAA approval, and jet engine approval for 50 

2 parts per million biodiesel in the D1655 jet fuel 

3 standard, with plans to move that to 100 ppm in 2 

4 years. 

5 The ASTM standard will provide the flexibility for 

6 pipeline operators to move biodiesel blends with full 

7 faith and confidence in their ability to safely 

8 maintain the ASTM jet fuel standards. 

9 In closing, the biodiesel industry is doing our 

10 part to address technical issues or barriers to the use 

11 of higher biodiesel blends and will continue to do so 

12 in the future, and that should give EPA increasing 

13 confidence of the biodiesel volumes and increasing 

14 biodiesel volumes as part of the RFS2. 

15 Thank you. 

16 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. That's very 

17 helpful. 

18 (Applause.) 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Got some fans in the room. Please 

20 proceed. 

21 MR. DERAMUS: Thank you. 

22 My name is David DeRamus, and I'm an economist 

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1 with the economic consulting firm of Bates White. 

2 In the framework convention on climate change, the 

3 U.S. is committed to reduce CO2 emissions by 26 to 28 

4 percent by 2025. The transportation sector is the 

5 second-largest source of U.S. CO2 emissions, and diesel 

6 is expected to account for an ever-greater share of 

7 U.S. transportation fuels. Thus, targeted efforts to 

8 reduce CO2 emissions from diesel are of paramount 

9 importance. 

10 As result of advances in biodiesel production with 

11 the increased ability to use low-carbon footprint 

12 feedstocks, such as waste greases, animal fats, and 

13 distillers corn oil, biodiesel currently reduces CO2 

14 emissions by 81 percent, compared with petroleum 

15 diesel. While the biodiesel accounts for only 3 

16 percent of total U.S. petroleum diesel consumption, 

17 biodiesel reduced U.S. CO2 emissions by over 16 million 

18 tons in 2014, equivalent to eliminating 3.6 million 

19 cars. 

20 If U.S. biodiesel volumes were to grow by 350 

21 million gallons annually, by 2025, it would still 

22 amount to less than 9 percent of U.S. diesel 

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1 consumption, but it would provide 18 percent of the 

2 entire transportation sector's share of the U.S. 

3 commitment to reduce CO2 emissions. 

4 The cost-effectiveness of biodiesel as a means of 

5 reducing CO2 emissions can be measured as a difference 

6 between the cost to produce biodiesel and the wholesale 

7 price of petroleum diesel. In recent years, this cost 

8 differential has narrowed as a result of investments in 

9 processing technology and production capacity. 

10 In 2011, the cost of using biodiesel to reduce CO2 

11 emissions was approximately $158 per avoided ton of CO2 

12 emissions. By 2014, this cost had declined by 78 

13 percent to $34 per ton of CO2. These estimates are 

14 highly conservative, as they do not account for 

15 biodiesel's substantial other benefits, from energy 

16 security and reduced particulate emissions. 

17 Although this cost of reducing CO2 emissions 

18 increased in 2015, this was not due to increased 

19 biodiesel production costs, but rather to a sharp 

20 decline in world petroleum prices. And as petroleum 

21 prices recover, the cost of using biodiesel to reduce 

22 CO2 emissions will drop back to their 2014 level or 
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1 below. 

2 The recent rapid growth of biodiesel as a low3 carbon alternative fuel represents a major success of 

4 the RFS2 program. In 2010 at the start of RFS2, the 

5 U.S. produced only 340 million gallons of biodiesel. 

6 By 2013, it produced fully 1.4 billion gallons. 

7 While biodiesel was almost an afterthought in the 

8 initial RFS policy formulation, the industry's response 

9 has resulted in a widely available product that 

10 contributes significantly to U.S. CO2 reduction goals 

11 while also promoting retail competition at the pump. 

12 The EPA's current proposal for biodiesel volumes of 1.9 

13 billion gallons in 2017, however, does not represent a 

14 particularly significant change from the status quo, as 

15 it represents just a 4 percent annual growth rate 

16 relative to 2014 actual volumes. 

17 It is also unnecessarily low, given that there is 

18 considerable excess U.S. production capacity, there are 

19 ample feedstocks, there is no blend wall, and there is 

20 little risk of adverse impacts on retail fuel prices. 

21 From an economic perspective, given its cost 

22 effectiveness in reducing CO2 emissions, further 

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1 increasing RFS2 biodiesel volumes is a no-brainer. 

2 Thank you. 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Will you be providing 

4 us for the record your more detailed economic and 

5 technical analysis? 

6 MR. DERAMUS: Yes, I will. 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Please proceed. 

8 MS. KAVALER: I am Andrea Kavaler, executive vice 

9 president for LMC International, Limited, an 

10 independent consulting firm founded in 1980 to analyze 

11 the economics and markets of agricultural commodities. 

12 Our largest specialty covers oil, seeds, and vegetable 

13 oils, and their downstream products, including 

14 biodiesel. 

15 We have staff in several strategic locations 

16 throughout the world, researching markets and policies. 

17 As a result, when the National Biodiesel Board needed 

18 a third-party evaluation of global availability of 

19 feedstocks for biodiesel production, they commissioned 

20 LMC to undertake it. 

21 We submitted a study to the EPA in January 2014, 

22 which we have just updated and extended. We were asked 

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1 to do five things. Number one, to examine recent 

2 global production of RFS qualifying vegetable oils and 

3 fats and to forecast production to 2020. 

4 Number two, to do the same for RFS nonqualifying 

5 feedstocks. 

6 Number three, to evaluate the U.S.'s and Canada's 

7 share of global supply of qualifying feedstocks. 

8 Number four, to examine consumption of fats and 

9 oils by end use, distinguishing between food, 

10 biodiesel, and other. 

11 Number five, to consider a host of possible 

12 changes in market factors that may influence the supply 

13 and demand for vegetable oils and fats. 

14 The study is lengthy. So I will just summarize it 

15 here. The single most important takeaway from our 

16 global analysis is that there are large volumes of 

17 vegetable oils and fats in the marketplace and that 

18 these volumes are getting ever-larger, dwarfing 

19 biodiesel's demand for these feedstocks. 

20 So when analyzing feedstocks that would fill a 

21 proposed requirement for biodiesel and renewable diesel 

22 of at least 1.9 billion gallons in 2017, a number only 

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1 slightly larger than actual production in each of the 

2 last 2 years, there is little, if any, impact on 

3 feedstock supply. We project total global production 

4 of qualifying feedstocks to rise from 112 million 

5 metric tons last year to more than 137 million by 2020, 

6 and over half of that growth is expected to come from 

7 increased production of soybean oil. 

8 Looking just at 2016, the supply of qualifying 

9 feedstocks is projected to rise strongly from 117 

10 million metric tons this year to 120 million next. 

11 In 2015, we estimate that the demand for these 

12 feedstocks by uses other than biodiesel will be almost 

13 92 million metric tons. That still leaves 25 million 

14 metric tons of qualifying feedstocks for biodiesel, 

15 equivalent to 7.6 billion gallons of biodiesel, and the 

16 U.S. program is expected at only 1.7 billion. 

17 By 2020, these numbers will rise significantly to 

18 28.4 million metric tons of qualifying feedstocks 

19 available for biodiesel production after accounting for 

20 other uses. That's the equivalent of 8.5 billion 

21 gallons of biodiesel. 

22 In conclusion, this year and next and in the 
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1 longer term, there will be more than enough qualifying 

2 feedstocks to produce biodiesel for the U.S., and only 

3 a small percentage of those feedstocks will go into 

4 biodiesel, even allowing for significant growth in the 

5 program. 

6 Thank you for your consideration. 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. I might have missed 

8 this, but did you constrain your analysis, your 

9 feedstock analysis to domestic sources, or did you look 

10 globally? 

11 MS. KAVALER: We did both. So the study that we 

12 will be submitting to EPA in full and in detail looks 

13 at the supplies, both within the U.S. and Canada. We 

14 looked at them separately and together, and globally. 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Thank you very much. 

16 Thank you, panel. I'd like to invite the next 

17 panel. 

18 (Applause.) 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Welcome, Panel 23. Panel 25 could 

20 also make your way to the staging area. Panel 23, 

21 we'll begin with Paul Kamp, followed by Jeff 

22 Glendening, Bob Neufeld, Jason Stauffer, Scott Zaremba, 

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1 and Art Tanderup. 

2 Welcome, and thank you. 

3 MR. KAMP: Thank you. 

4 My name is Paul Kamp. My company, Leifmark, is in 

5 the front lines of the biomass refinery industry. In 

6 the United States and Canada, we utilize a proven 

7 Inbicon technology that was developed in Denmark, and 

8 we turn crop residues from U.S. farms into cellulosic 

9 ethanol and a renewable solid fuel. 

10 Turning biomass and waste into fuel and energy is 

11 inevitable for society. I have to believe that every 

12 single morning when I wake up. Our generation is 

13 poised to either lead in that or to give in to the 

14 interests of the entrenched energy industry. We're 

15 there now. 

16 I'm from Illinois. I'm a long-term supporter of 

17 renewable fuels made from crops and crop waste, and 

18 I've invested a lot of my own time and money to make 

19 that happen. 

20 Corn ethanol is a great success. We've heard that 

21 many times today. There was huge growth from 2005 to 

22 2008, thanks to the strong market signals that were set 

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1 in RFS2. 

2 Corn stover and wheat straw refining expand on 

3 that success, and we now use the crop waste for 

4 cellulosic ethanol production, and we can make 100 

5 percent renewable steam and power for our process and a 

6 co-located plant. Our technology has been proven at 

7 industrial scale. It produces real gallons of 

8 extremely low-carbon intensity cellulosic fuel, and 

9 Leifmark has thoroughly validated the economics for the 

10 U.S., especially when co-located with a corn ethanol 

11 plant. 

12 This points to a future industry-wide solution 

13 that enhances farm revenues, creates hundreds of 

14 thousands of new jobs, and billions of dollars in new 

15 domestic economic activity. One of the comments that 

16 shocks me when I hear it from EPA staff members, and 

17 I've heard it more than once, is that maybe cellulosic 

18 will have to push out corn. 

19 In my world, that couldn't be farther from the 

20 truth. It implies a mindset based on the fictitious 

21 E10 blend wall math that there's only so many gallons 

22 that we can use. It's essential that the corn ethanol 

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1 industry is healthy for cellulosic to take off to the 

2 volumes proposed in RFS2 because it starts with farms. 

3 My main point is as a company that's developed a 

4 proven process technology, we have U.S. projects that 

5 look attractive now. Future owners and decision makers 

6 are awaiting the market signals just like last decade. 

7 We need to get the first few plants built and 

8 operating, and many, many others will follow. 

9 But each new announced ruling from the EPA has 

10 specifically caused delays, and we're on the front 

11 lines, and we've seen this directly in our business. 

12 As a real-world example, leading up November 15, 2013, 

13 the day EPA proposed to decrease biofuel volumes, we 

14 had four project groups enthused and ready to go ahead 

15 into the first phases of project development. 

16 Those plants could now all be well into a 

17 construction schedule. Instead, the following week 

18 after that EPA proposal to cut volumes, all four 

19 projects called our company and announced that all the 

20 work would be put on hold. And that was very 

21 devastating for our company. It really hurt. 

22 We went back to the drawing board, working with 
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1 three of the ethanol producers in 2014. We found that 

2 the projects still made good economic sense. Again, 

3 the softened cellulosic waiver credit in early 2015 

4 cast uncertainty over all of our pricing formulas, and 

5 early movers in cellulosic are now not being rewarded 

6 as intended with D3 RIN value. 

7 The June 1st announcement about volume obligations 

8 scratched the surface of the blend wall, but it did not 

9 do enough. It appeared that -- 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Kamp, I need you to wrap it up, 

11 please. 

12 MR. KAMP: -- we're still relying on volume 

13 calculations based on U.S. transportation fuel and E10 

14 blend wall. 

15 So when we ask what will it take? The answer from 

16 these leading producers, people willing to go first, is 

17 always we have to wait and see what the EPA is going to 

18 do. So you guys have a very important role in this 

19 development. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. 

21 Glendening? 

22 MR. GLENDENING: Good afternoon. Thank you for 

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1 the opportunity to comment today on the new proposed 

2 volume levels for RFS. 

3 My name is Jeff Glendening. I'm the Kansas State 

4 director of Americans for Prosperity, and I'm here 

5 today on behalf of our over 2.5 million AFP activists 

6 nationwide in all 50 States, including over 40,000 

7 activists who call Kansas home. 

8 While Americans for Prosperity supports efforts to 

9 repeal the RFS in its entirety, we're encouraged to see 

10 that the EPA has proposed to reduce the overall 

11 renewable fuel blending requirements. This proposed 

12 rule is a step in the right direction to relieving 

13 American families and businesses from the harmful 

14 effects of this energy mandate, but it does not go far 

15 enough. 

16 EPA's lower blending requirements are an admission 

17 that the RFS is out of touch with economic realities. 

18 Increases in fuel economy and persistent sluggish 

19 economic conditions have led to lower levels of fuel 

20 demand than expected. Moreover, many vehicles 

21 currently on the road are not designed or equipped to 

22 handle the higher levels of ethanol consumption that 

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1 the RFS mandate seeks to impose. 

2 In general, AFP opposes the RFS because it's 

3 harmful to consumers and because it represents a 

4 special interest corporate welfare carve-out. In 

5 short, the blend requirement amounts to a subsidy for 

6 the ethanol industry, a subsidy underwritten by 

7 American motorists at the fuel pump. 

8 We are also concerned about the high cost of RFS 

9 compliance on small businesses, including gasoline 

10 refiners and convenience stores, as we've heard earlier 

11 today. Refiners are forced to buy expensive renewable 

12 identification numbers or face a fine, while service 

13 station owners are forced to install expensive new 

14 equipment. 

15 AFP is encouraged by any proposed reduction in the 

16 overall renewable fuel blending requirements, but we 

17 continue to believe that this mandate is harmful at any 

18 level, and we hope lawmakers will quickly move to 

19 repeal it in its entirety. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Neufeld? 

21 MR. NEUFELD: Do I get his time? 

22 (Laughter.) 

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1 MR. NEUFELD: No? Oh, okay. Good afternoon. My 

2 name is Bob Neufeld. I'm vice president of environment 

3 and government relations for Wyoming Refining Company. 

4 I am here representing the small refinery owners 

5 ad hoc coalition, which seeks solutions to the 

6 structural competitive disadvantage imposed on small 

7 merchant refineries by the RFS obligation scheme. I 

8 wish to speak about what is not in the proposed rule. 

9 First, EPA should promulgate an objective standard 

10 for determining when a small refinery meets the 

11 viability impairment test for an RFS2 exemption. 

12 Second, the coalition asks EPA to move the point 

13 of obligation to the collection point for Federal and 

14 State motor fuel excise taxes. 

15 RINs are free or nearly so for blenders. They 

16 cost renewable fuel producers nothing to create, and 

17 ethanol industry competition prevents producers from 

18 charging blenders for a fictitious production cost. 

19 Furthermore, the RFS2 rules prohibit renewable fuel 

20 producers from selling unattached RINs. If the 

21 producer does not attach RINs to shipped renewable 

22 fuel, the RINs stay put. 
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1 The EPA prosecutes people who try to do otherwise. 

2 That which cannot be marketed has little or no value. 

3 The point of obligation and free RINs explain why the 

4 merchant refiner cannot recover its compliance costs at 

5 the bulk sales level upstream of the rack. They 

6 explain why the merchant refiner cannot recover its 

7 compliance costs at the terminal sales rack. 

8 Furthermore, they explain how marketers can afford 

9 to share RIN value with their rack customers using 

10 windfall profits gained by selling RINs to us. 

11 Coalition members that do blend never see any such 

12 profits and, thus, cannot share them. 

13 In addition, exempting marketers from the 

14 compliance obligation means their RIN windfall need not 

15 be used to upgrade retail stations to E15 and E85 

16 service. Should EPA ever raise national volumes to 

17 statutory levels or beyond, exempt blenders may 

18 continue to sell E10 and harvest an even larger 

19 windfall as RIN prices again skyrocket. 

20 As long as exempt parties may sell E10, higher 

21 national standards may be ignored. The best path is to 

22 change the point of obligation so that the ability to 

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1 comply and obligation to comply are aligned within the 

2 current petroleum refining and marketing business 

3 structure. In 2010, EPA declared the current point of 

4 obligation invalid. It is time to move that point to 

5 the rack. 

6 The failure to address this fundamental flaw in 

7 the program when EPA has previously committed to do so 

8 and the failure to make hardship evaluations a product 

9 of objectivity instead of the subjectivity that now 

10 reigns make the current proposal invalid. 

11 Thank you for this opportunity to present our 

12 views. We will be submitting more detailed comments 

13 before the deadline. 

14 And while I still have 10 seconds left, I'd like 

15 to say observing the four of you here today have given 

16 me my own new personal definition of the term 

17 "hardass." 

18 (Laughter.) 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: I'm not quite sure what to make of 

20 that comment, but it's in the record. Thank you. 

21 MR. NEUFELD: It's a physical description, not a 

22 behavioral one. 

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1 MR. GRUNDLER: Ah. Thank you for that. Mr. 

2 Stauffer? Do we have a Jason Stauffer? 

3 MR. STAUFFER: Oh, right here. Sorry. 

4 Good afternoon. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: I'm still trying to understand what 

6 he was saying. 

7 MR. STAUFFER: Yeah, I was absorbing it myself. 

8 (Laughter.) 

9 MR. GRUNDLER: It takes a few seconds. Please 

10 proceed. 

11 MR. STAUFFER: Yeah. I appreciate this 

12 opportunity to be in front of you guys today 

13 testifying. 

14 My name is Jason Stauffer. I'm the retail fuels 

15 manager in business development for STAR Energy, 

16 located in Manson, Iowa. We currently operate 17 

17 retail fuel stations throughout northwest Iowa. Of 

18 these 17 stations, 3 locations -- Fort Dodge, Storm 

19 Lake, and Spencer -- offer higher ethanol blends. 

20 In the fall of 2013, we became the 14th retail 

21 station in Iowa to offer E15 as a registered fuel in 

22 Fort Dodge. We spent a lot of time and resources 

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1 educating our customers about the proper use of E15 as 

2 a registered fuel, and we promoted it as another choice 

3 at the pump and explained the importance of the ethanol 

4 to the Iowa economy. 

5 Between September 16th and May 31st, 47 percent of 

6 the gasoline that we sell is E15. Our customers like 

7 the fuel's performance, and they like how it helps Iowa 

8 grow stronger in renewable fuels. When we must switch 

9 from E15 from a registered fuel to a flex fuel during 

10 the summer months, our customers lose that option to 

11 choose. 

12 Twice a year, we also have to have the time and 

13 expense of moving this product from a black hose to a 

14 yellow hose, and vice versa. This is a lot of time and 

15 a lot of expense that goes towards us. 

16 Over the course of the last 3 years, I have been 

17 bombarded by phone calls the week following June 1st. 

18 I must educate our customers on the EPA policy that 

19 forces me to take away their option to buy E15 as a 

20 registered fuel. Customers want to choose -- want the 

21 choice of E10 and E15. We, as a retail fuel supplier, 

22 want to give them this choice. 
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1 To meet the required vapor pressure, also referred 

2 to as RVP, during the summer, we continue to evaluate 

3 different options to offer our customers as clean4 burning fuel that they desire. Over the past 3 years, 

5 we have evaluated the option of bringing in low RVP 

6 gasoline from out of State. 

7 Due to the transportation cost associated with 

8 that, along with much higher cost of the base product, 

9 it does not create a viable option. Yes, I could bring 

10 this product into our stations and offer E15 as a 

11 registered fuel. However, at what cost? 

12 We have seen an increase of anywhere from 15 to 28 

13 cents a gallon in the base fuel. I don't believe the 

14 answer is to offer higher-priced E15 to local 

15 communities during the summer months. I believe that 

16 it's time to grant the 1-pound waiver to equalize the 

17 vapor pressure regulations for E10 and E15 during the 

18 summer months running from June 1 to September 15th. 

19 It is time to allow my customers the right to 

20 choose the lowest-cost ethanol-blended gasoline during 

21 the summer months. I am confident that if we could 

22 offer this blend year around without the current 

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1 restrictions, many of my customers would choose E15. 

2 It's time for the EPA to grant a waiver for E15. 

3 Thank you. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. 

5 (Applause.) 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Settle down. News flash. We have 

7 a white Hyundai blocking buses in the parking lot 

8 across the street. If the owner is in this room, 

9 please move your car before it gets flatten by said 

10 buses. 

11 No competition. Mr. Zaremba, welcome. 

12 MR. TANDERUP: I was moved. Art Tanderup from 

13 Round 33. Mr. Zaremba was also moved -- 

14 MR. GRUNDLER: You're welcome, too. Sorry for 

15 misidentifying you. Proceed. 

16 MR. TANDERUP: Okay. Thank you. 

17 My name is Art Tanderup. I'm a small farmer near 

18 Neligh, Nebraska. I raise corn, soybeans, and rye. 

19 It is time for this country to move forward on 

20 renewable fuels. Climate change is very real. It is 

21 starting to have a negative effect on agriculture. We 

22 need to end our reliance on fossil fuels. Expanding 

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1 the use of ethanol and biodiesel will help get us 

2 there. 

3 As citizens that are concerned about the Earth we 

4 live on and we leave for our grandchildren, my wife and 

5 I have taken steps to help preserve our planet. 

6 Several years ago, we started using no-till farming 

7 methods to capture carbon and build soil health. We 

8 utilize soil sensors to preserve the water as we 

9 irrigate our crops. Solar panels provide most of our 

10 farm's electrical needs. 

11 An electric hybrid car significantly reduces our 

12 reliance on fossil fuels. We use ethanol in our 

13 pickup. Biodiesel is used when we can get it. 

14 Times have changed. This country can no longer be 

15 fossil fuel dependent. Renewable fuels are part of the 

16 answer. 

17 Twenty-five ethanol plants are located in 

18 Nebraska. They provide an additional market for our 

19 grain, as well as a quality feed source for our 

20 livestock. Some also produce food products, 

21 biodegradable plastics, and enzymes. 

22 A University of Nebraska report released in April 

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1 shows that Nebraska is second only to Iowa in ethanol 

2 production. These rural businesses employ 1,300 people 

3 this last year. Ethanol had a nearly $5 billion impact 

4 on Nebraska's economy last year. 

5 In the part of Nebraska where I live, it's 25 

6 miles to the closest ethanol plant. Another is 41 

7 miles away. These plants help increase our local corn 

8 prices. 

9 However, when we want to buy E85 or diesel fuel or 

10 biodiesel, we must drive 25 to 45 miles. We would 

11 rather buy the renewables in our community. The major 

12 oil company stations only offer the 10 percent ethanol 

13 blend. The independents are the ones with the blender 

14 pumps. 

15 The mandate needs to be raised to 15 percent. 

16 Increased biofuels will be utilized if they're 

17 available at the pump. Every gallon of renewable fuel 

18 is one less gallon of a fossil fuel product. American 

19 farmers can produce both abundant food and fuel. 

20 This country has the opportunity to move forward 

21 with advanced biofuels, biomass-based diesel, and 

22 cellulosic biofuels. We need to increase the biofuel 
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1 standards so that companies can invest and farmers can 

2 step up to the plate and produce the raw materials. 

3 Thank you. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir, and thank you for 

5 coming all the way from Nebraska. 

6 Thank you, panel. Panel 25, welcome. You'll be 

7 hearing from Doug Dollison, Darin Schlapia, Jerrod 

8 Kitt, Denis W. Miller, Keith Alverson, and Erin Wilcox. 

9 While Panel 25 is taking their seats, I'd like to 

10 invite Panel 27 to take their seats in the staging 

11 area. 

12 Mr. Dollison, you're up first. Ready when you 

13 are. 

14 MR. DOLLISON: Good afternoon. My name is Doug 

15 Dollison. I'm the senior industry relations manager 

16 with DuPont Pioneer. 

17 DuPont Pioneer is the leading supplier of high18 quality seeds and services to farmers around the world. 

19 A demonstrated partner to America's farmers, DuPont 

20 Pioneer is committed to increasing yields and grower 

21 value, delivering solutions that help meet needs of a 

22 growing world. 

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1 When Congress passed the RFS2 in 2007, it provided 

2 stability to a new developing biofuels industry. 

3 Farmers and corn ethanol producers responded by 

4 building additional corn ethanol capacity to meet the 

5 RFS biofuel volume requirement. The RFS delivered 

6 increased rural development. The RFS has reduced CO2 

7 emissions and improved air quality in America's cities. 

8 And it's easy to forget during this time of 

9 inexpensive oil that America's corn ethanol industry 

10 accepted risk as a new industry and now serves as a 

11 strong foundation from which new and innovative 

12 complementary biofuel systems can grow. 

13 Almost 90 years ago, Pioneer started with a bold 

14 idea, hybrid seed technology. By investing in seed 

15 each year, growers got more yield at the end of the 

16 season. Over the last decade or two, DuPont Pioneer 

17 has offered specialized seed products designed for 

18 greater ethanol production per acre. 

19 In fact, DuPont has doubled down on the benefits 

20 of biofuels with our strong commitment to serving corn 

21 farmers, as well as our innovations and next-generation 

22 biofuels that complement the base corn ethanol has 

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1 built. We believe the bold idea of the RFS was to 

2 promote long-term investments that strengthen America. 

3 We believe the RFS is clear that the general waiver 

4 can only be invoked when total renewable fuel 

5 production is below statutory levels. 

6 It is important that the forward momentum continue 

7 and not be stalled. Therefore, the best course of 

8 action is for the EPA to abandoned this proposed rule 

9 and issue a new proposal based on the ethanol and 

10 biofuel volumes that Congress provided and the amount 

11 of fuel that can be produced. 

12 In conclusion, with a stable and predictable RFS 

13 in place, we look forward to expanding ethanol's 

14 benefits and also deploying the next phase of biofuels 

15 technologies. 

16 I want to thank you for the opportunity to submit 

17 our comments with the proposed RFS rule. Along with 

18 this testimony, DuPont will provide additional analysis 

19 and recommendations as part of the comment process. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Doug. Darin, proceed. 

21 MR. SCHLAPIA: Good afternoon. My name is Darin 

22 Schlapia. I'm the Creston location manager with the 

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1 Farmers Cooperative Company of Afton, Iowa. 

2 I'm here today to speak against the EPA lowering 

3 the proposed renewable volumes obligation set by the 

4 2007 Energy Independence and Securities Act. 

5 The main point EPA makes for lowering the volume 

6 obligations is that America is up against a so-called 

7 blend wall for ethanol. A simple solution to this 

8 concern is the E15 ethanol-blended gasoline. 

9 However, due to EPA's flawed RVP policies, E15 has 

10 run up against a wall of restrictions that do not 

11 fairly allow it to be sold in the same manner as E10. 

12 While E10 and E15 have similar RVPs, E10 is the only 

13 blend that is allowed the 1-pound summer exemption. 

14 At our ethanol blending sites, E15 accounts for 

15 only 11 percent of our ethanol blend sales, and that 

16 percentage stays the same all year round, even with the 

17 summer sales restriction. 

18 The reason, I believe, is because motorists are 

19 confused. The average person on the street does not 

20 want or need to understand the technical and mostly 

21 political reasons why E15 is restricted during the 

22 summer months while E10 can be purchased all year. The 
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1 consumer wants a consistent type of fuel to use in 

2 their vehicles all year round. 

3 Granting E15 the same 1-pound waiver as E10 in the 

4 summer would enable E15 to become the new standard fuel 

5 sold in the United States, reducing ethanol demand by 

6 50 percent. The fuel distribution terminals owned by 

7 the big oil companies would have no choice then but to 

8 meet demand and make E15 an available choice at the 

9 racks. 

10 Better policies need to be enacted to make higher 

11 ethanol blends available at the consumer level as well. 

12 At our stations, ethanol blends of E15 and higher 

13 account for 40 percent of our total ethanol blend 

14 sales. About, as I mentioned, 11 percent is E15, 8 

15 percent is E30, and 21 percent is E85. I use E30 

16 myself, and I get about the same gas mileage as I do 

17 with E10, and it's about 20 cents a gallon cheaper. 

18 So the State of Iowa has made great strides in the 

19 offering of incentive programs to build the 

20 infrastructure to dispense these higher ethanol blends. 

21 However, in my travels to other areas, it has been 

22 difficult to locate ethanol blends higher than E10. 

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1 Working with these areas to help set up incentive 

2 programs and educate retailers and consumers alike will 

3 be another large step to increase our renewable fuels 

4 usage across the United States. 

5 I am here today representing our company's 1,300 

6 Class A voting farmer member owners. When everyone 

7 thought that our nation's farmers would be unable to 

8 raise enough corn to feed our ethanol plants, corn shot 

9 up to over $7 per bushel. And as history has proven 

10 over and over, our farmers answered the call and 

11 produced. 

12 We now have a surplus that has brought corn prices 

13 down to under $3.50 per bushel, about a $1 under the 

14 break-even price of production. It is now time that 

15 the EPA steps up, changes its policy on E15, and 

16 upholds the original Energy Independence and Securities 

17 Act volume obligations to keep America on track to free 

18 itself from foreign oil. 

19 Thanks for your time. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony. Mr. 

21 Kitt? 

22 MR. KITT: Hi, I'm Jerrod Kitt. I'm a vice 

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1 president with Linn & Associates. 

2 And first of all, I want to thank the EPA for this 

3 opportunity. I'm sure you've taken your fair share of 

4 flack today, but I want you to know in our heart of 

5 hearts, we do appreciate your efforts. 

6 I believe in the power of the markets. We work 

7 with them every day on behalf of our clients. It is 

8 truly a democratic institution where everyone can cast 

9 their vote via their wallets. That will be the basis, 

10 at least initially, of my testimony. 

11 Usually, I have to look into a crystal ball and 

12 tell the future. Now I have the benefit of hindsight 

13 and would like to describe the impact this proposal has 

14 had on the markets and how to potentially smooth out 

15 some of the ensuing wrinkles. Now I have to be a 

16 little bit harsh. 

17 The 2015 proposal in particular does not follow 

18 the spirit and certainly not the letter of the RFS 

19 legislation. The 13.4 billion gallon proposal for 2014 

20 for the first time represents a concrete step backward 

21 when compared to the enacted 2013 proposal of 13.8 

22 billion gallons of corn-based fuels. This can best be 

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1 demonstrated by the debasement of the D6 RIN market, 

2 which fell by half in the hours following the proposal 

3 release. 

4 All right. I don't know if everybody can see 

5 this, but this is the D6 RIN curve. Fell off the wall, 

6 basically. 

7 Now before you think that lower RIN prices are a 

8 blessing not a curse, we need to keep in mind that for 

9 obligated parties who have made the proper investment, 

10 there is no cost to them outside of buying the ethanol 

11 itself, which is not well correlated to RIN price 

12 movements. In fact, at current market values, blenders 

13 earn at least 60 cents per gallon on each gallon of 

14 ethanol bought. It should be noted that after the 

15 proposal, ethanol plant margins in Nebraska fell to 

16 roughly break-even, some even a little bit worse. 

17 There is also an unintended consequence of this 

18 debasement of the D6 RINs, the narrowing of the D5, D6 

19 RIN spread. As it speaks, we potentially are sending 

20 imports of Brazilian ethanol, molecule for molecule the 

21 exact same thing, heading to the U.S. We could get 

22 into a situation where you have the exact same thing 
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1 crossing each other in the Atlantic. 

2 Now, I did not just come here to kvetch. I 

3 actually do have a few solutions. First and foremost, 

4 I believe that we should alter the 2015 corn -- 

5 conventional corn ethanol proposal to 13.9 billion 

6 gallons versus the proposed 13.4. Setting a target of 

7 13.9 is an actual improvement over the initial -- over 

8 the last 2013 mandated volume. So you're following the 

9 spirit of the law. 

10 Backtracking should not be an option, particularly 

11 with the greatest year in 2014. This also keeps RIN 

12 carryouts tight. Blenders are currently using 902,000 

13 barrels a day of ethanol. This breaks down to just 

14 over 13.8 billion gallons per year. No such target can 

15 easily be accomplished without much extra effort. 

16 And we also believe we should increase corn 

17 ethanol and biodiesel targets 100 million gallons each 

18 year to a maximum 15 for corn ethanol and 2.0 for 

19 biodiesel. This allows people to make long-term 

20 projections. 

21 In conclusion, the blend wall is a practical 

22 constraint only that can be broken down through the 

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1 correct market incentives, and those are governed by 

2 the RIN market. 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. And thank you for 

4 providing these audio visuals. I thought we were going 

5 to try to get them up there, but that was pretty heroic 

6 there in how you tried to show us. 

7 MR. KITT: Thanks. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: We have the data. Thank you very 

9 much. 

10 MR. KITT: You're welcome. 

11 MR. GRUNDLER: Mr. Miller? 

12 MR. MILLER: My name is Denis Miller, partner with 

13 Mapes & Miller, CPAs, in Phillipsburg, Kansas, founding 

14 board member and board secretary of the Prairie Horizon 

15 Agri-Energy, LLC, in Phillipsburg. 

16 Thank you for coming to Kansas City to hear our 

17 concerns about the tentative ruling on the RFS. 

18 I currently have owned three -- excuse me. I 

19 currently own four traditional non-E85 vehicles the 

20 last 10 years in which I have put over 200,000 miles on 

21 them using E30. These were 2001, '03, '09, and '14. 

22 I've had no mechanical issues with these vehicles that 

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1 can be attributed to using E30 versus E10. 

2 This is a stark contrast to the allegations made 

3 by big oil that E15 would be dangerous to the engines, 

4 when the fact I have been using E30 with no negative 

5 repercussions to my vehicles. The performance 

6 especially on the oldest model, the 2001, when I 

7 started using E30, improved dramatically. No 

8 significant change in gas mileage was noted. 

9 Big oil also alleges that there is no consumer 

10 demand for E85 or the mid-level mix of ethanol at their 

11 stations. However, I believe that much of this has 

12 been created by big oil's policies, an attempt to 

13 discourage finding or using the mid-levels or E85. I 

14 will give two examples. 

15 A Shell station I am aware of had E85 for many 

16 years and then out of nowhere switched E85 to diesel on 

17 the requirements of Shell. The 91 octane was still left 

18 at the pump, which sells in very small quantities, but 

19 they required them to remove the E85 and replace it 

20 with diesel under the company policy as a franchisee. 

21 Number two, I was on vacation in upstate New York, 

22 and through a month on, I noted stations had E85 pumps. 

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1 I drove into one of the stations that had no E85 at 

2 the pumps where everyone else was filling up. After 

3 driving around twice, I found a small pump, mostly 

4 hidden by semi-trucks parked in front of it at the very 

5 edge of the property. 

6 I went to fill up, and it would not accept my 

7 credit card, but had a note to see the attendant. I 

8 had to walk 50 yards to find out why I could not accept 

9 my credit card and was told that I was required to 

10 prepay for the amount of fuel I thought I might want to 

11 buy. 

12 These are two examples big oil utilizes to 

13 discourage the demand for E85 and mid-levels by making 

14 it very difficult for citizens to find it to have a 

15 choice of which fuel they would like to use. 

16 I recommend a requirement that franchisees of big 

17 oil be allowed to pick one third to one half of the 

18 available pump options on the pumps, and the remaining 

19 could be dictated by big oil. This will allow the 

20 local retailer to sell the market he thinks that would 

21 be best for his business and not allow big oil to force 

22 him to use products clearly designed to limit the 
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1 options that citizens may want to use. 

2 I conclude I would really expect the EPA to follow 

3 the law as written to make the big oil companies 

4 utilize the ethanol as mandated. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Miller. Mr. 

6 Alverson, you're up. 

7 MR. ALVERSON: Thank you. 

8 My name is Keith Alverson. I'm a family farmer 

9 from Chester, South Dakota. I'm president of the South 

10 Dakota Corn Growers Association, and on behalf of our 

11 1,500 members, I thank you for the opportunity to 

12 address the proposed changes to the RFS volumes. 

13 I've experienced the revitalization that the RFS 

14 and ethanol have created in small towns like mine. My 

15 local ethanol plant opened a year before I graduated 

16 college and helped provide me the opportunity to return 

17 home to my family farm to be the sixth generation on 

18 that farm. 

19 The plant has created many value-added 

20 opportunities and jobs in the area. According to a 

21 2012 study by South Dakota State University, the 

22 ethanol industry in South Dakota has an annual economic 

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1 impact of $3.8 billion and directly employs 1,900 

2 people who earn an average wage of $60,000. 

3 My wife and I have witnessed waves of sons and 

4 daughters returning to family farms and rural 

5 businesses, which was not taking place prior to the 

6 RFS. I only hope this progress can continue to allow 

7 my children to proudly be the seventh generation. 

8 South Dakota produces over 1 billion gallons of 

9 corn ethanol, reducing America's dependence upon 

10 foreign oil. In just 8 short years, ethanol has 

11 established itself as a vital tool that increases 

12 gasoline's octane level and serves as an 

13 environmentally friendly oxygenate, displacing cancer14 causing benzene. 

15 The increased use of ethanol has also drastically 

16 reduced carbon emissions because our carbon score keeps 

17 improving. Farmers are growing higher yields with 

18 fewer inputs, less tillage, reducing our impact on the 

19 environment and sequestering carbon in our soils. 

20 I'm proud to say we've always strived to be good 

21 stewards on our farm, using a form of no-till for over 

22 30 years and adopting precision technologies to place 

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1 specific amounts of fertilizer and seed where and when 

2 it's most efficient. 

3 After the RFS was enacted in 2007, EPA and Argonne 

4 National Labs lifecycle assessments showed corn ethanol 

5 to be equivalent to gasoline in carbon emissions. But 

6 since that time, using updated science, productivity 

7 gains, and real-world data on land use change, Argonne 

8 has updated corn ethanol's lifecycle several times, 

9 most recently indicating that corn ethanol is 40 

10 percent below gasoline. 

11 At the same time, petroleum fuels and their 

12 emissions are increasing due to energy extraction and 

13 refining processes. Updates to EPA's modeling, 

14 recognizing improvements in farming and at the ethanol 

15 plants is imperative to accurately show the 

16 environmental differences between energies. I believe 

17 we have the ability to approach a 60 percent reduction 

18 in emissions in some regions because of our climate, 

19 increasing yields, tillage reduction, and fertilizer 

20 efficiency. 

21 Recently, Administrator McCarthy was quoted as 

22 saying, "Climate change is the greatest challenge of 

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1 our time and that the time for action is now." I 

2 wholeheartedly agree with her sentiment, but then don't 

3 understand why the EPA has hit the brakes on the most 

4 successful program we've seen to reduce carbon 

5 emissions in the United States. 

6 Corn farmers and ethanol producers have worked 

7 hard to uphold their role in the RFS and the 

8 environment, constantly and consistently improving. 

9 Therefore, I respectfully urge the EPA to return to the 

10 volume obligations and methodology set forth under law 

11 by the RFS. 

12 Thank you. 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Mr. Alverson. Ms. 

14 Wilcox? 

15 MS. WILCOX: Good afternoon. I'm Erin Wilcox, 

16 rural development coordinator for South Dakota Farmers 

17 Union. 

18 On behalf of over 14,000 farmers, ranchers, and 

19 consumers, we urge the EPA to uphold the original 

20 guidelines of the renewable fuel standard. 

21 The RFS was designed to gradually increase our 

22 usage and production of renewable fuels and decrease 
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1 our dependence on foreign oil, also decreasing harmful 

2 emissions, allowing us cleaner air to breathe. Please 

3 allow the industry to build an infrastructure to 

4 surpass E10 fuel and allow the consumer to decide what 

5 type of fuel they want to burn in their vehicle, 

6 whether it be basic gasoline or an ethanol-blended 

7 fuel, and allow them to also decide what type of 

8 emissions that their vehicle is secreting and also what 

9 type of air we breathe. 

10 In 2006, I entered the ethanol industry as a lab 

11 manager, and at that time, it was right at the end of 

12 the initial ethanol boom. Plants were being built very 

13 quickly. Everything was changing and growing rapidly. 

14 Nine years later, it's amazing everything that's 

15 developed and changed. 

16 Plants run more efficiently, utilizing every 

17 possible amount of that starch in that corn kernel, and 

18 plants continue to improve and so does the technology. 

19 This industry has done amazing things in the past 9, 

20 10 years. I can't imagine what the next decade will be 

21 like. 

22 But I and South Dakota Farmers Union is very 

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1 concerned that if the RFS volumes are reduced now, will 

2 this industry continue to grow to its maximum 

3 potential, and will this industry continue to be able 

4 to compete globally in the renewable fuel sector and 

5 continue to produce a high-quality product? 

6 To produce a high-quality product, you need a 

7 high-quality workforce. And the ethanol industry 

8 offers lots of jobs, and a lot of the jobs are very 

9 technical, giving options to young people to return to 

10 rural America with technical degrees, engineering and 

11 chemical backgrounds. 

12 And this is extremely important to the rural 

13 Midwest, where in this economy finding a job is 

14 difficult. Finding a good job is an even harder task, 

15 and it's very difficult in the rural Midwest. 

16 In 2014, the ethanol industry produced 14.3 

17 billion gallons of ethanol. That supported over 83,000 

18 direct jobs and nearly 300,000 indirect jobs, giving 

19 many options to young people in the rural Midwest. 

20 I never wanted to live in a large city. I never 

21 wanted to, and the ethanol industry gave me the option 

22 to earn a good income and live in a small community and 

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1 raise my family. 

2 And the ethanol industry in South Dakota provides 

3 good-paying jobs, averaging $60,000 salaries and 

4 positions, and these are very good high-paying jobs in 

5 the State of South Dakota. 

6 Please keep the RFS intact. Please do not mess 

7 with it, and please continue to give options to young 

8 people and options to return to rural America. 

9 Thank you. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Ms. Wilcox, and thank 

11 you to the panel. 

12 (Applause.) 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Panel 27? I'll make another 

14 announcement. The white Hyundai continues to survive, 

15 miraculously, and still is blocking the bus. And this 

16 bus may be full of future farmers of America, who are 

17 no doubt getting pretty frustrated. So if this is your 

18 vehicle, please move it. 

19 Okay. Panel 27. 

20 MS. VATTEROTT: Yes, I am here for Heather 

21 Navarro, but my name is Melissa Vatterott. 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Okay. Thanks. This panel consists 

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1 of Melissa Vatterott, Mike Danielski, Loren Claussen, 

2 Marv Stech, Robert Brummels, and Seth Harder. 

3 Ms. Vatterott, you're up. 

4 MS. VATTEROTT: Good afternoon. Thank you for 

5 granting me the time to be here to submit comment on 

6 the EPA's proposed updates to the renewable fuel 

7 standard rule. 

8 My name is Melissa Vatterott. I am the food, 

9 farm, and climate outreach coordinator at the Missouri 

10 Coalition for the Environment in St. Louis. We are a 

11 statewide environmental advocacy organization. 

12 Since the Federal corn ethanol mandate was 

13 codified into law nearly a decade ago, we've read the 

14 headlines and heard the talking points regarding corn 

15 ethanol's so-called environmental benefits, but as 

16 fact-based science makes clear, corn ethanol's promised 

17 environmental benefits are a myth. The 2005 and 2007 

18 energy bills deeply distorted and heavily subsidized 

19 the corn market, directly incentivizing unsustainable 

20 and environmentally detrimental land disturbance. 

21 Corn ethanol was billed as a green alternative, a 

22 cleaner-burning fuel for our cars, promising air 
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1 quality benefits and the reduction of greenhouse gas 

2 emissions that contribute to climate change. If the 

3 development of cellulosic alternatives had materialized 

4 as hoped, corn ethanol may have served the transitional 

5 purpose intended by the original law. However, the 

6 Federal corn ethanol mandate has failed to deliver on 

7 any of its promised environmental benefits. 

8 Mandating minimal ethanol blending in commercial 

9 fuel production created an artificially high demand for 

10 corn, propping up corn prices at the expense of the 

11 environment and all of us that rely on clean air and 

12 clean water. Higher corn prices effectively 

13 incentivized commodity crop production. This decreases 

14 the incentives to invest in renewable fuel sources or 

15 grow the food that people eat. 

16 The mandate sent a clear price signal to the 

17 agricultural industry. Kansas and Missouri are among 

18 the top 10 corn-producing States, and they have clearly 

19 responded to the price signal. Growing corn is 

20 profitable. Preserving a wetland or sustainably 

21 growing spinach is not. 

22 The Government-guaranteed market for corn ethanol 

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1 may be profitable for industrialized agricultural, but 

2 the conversion of Midwest land into heavily subsidized 

3 cornfields also yields poor soil, poor air, and poor 

4 water quality and has resulted in the destruction of 

5 valuable habitat, all while increasing climate-causing 

6 greenhouse gas emissions. 

7 Higher crop prices decrease incentives to grow 

8 real food on our valuable crop land or to promote and 

9 invest in renewable fuel sources at a high cost to us 

10 all. Between 2008 and 2011, 23 million acres of 

11 grassland, shrubland, and wetlands were converted to 

12 commodity crop production in large part in response to 

13 higher demand for corn. These acres once served as 

14 carbon sinks. Now they release stored carbon and 

15 eliminate that function. 

16 The University of California-Berkeley scientists 

17 note that ethanol-related land conversion results in 

18 higher greenhouse gas emissions than fossil fuels. As 

19 the EPA is well aware, pesticides and fertilizer used 

20 in industrialized corn production cause fish kills, 

21 contribute to the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, and 

22 pollute our drinking water supplies when it runs off 

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1 farm fields. Land conversion destroys valuable 

2 habitat. 

3 For example, as reported in the Kansas City Star, 

4 corn ethanol production has contributed to the annual 

5 destruction of 1 million acres of milkweed, the Monarch 

6 butterfly's only food source. 

7 EPA's recent draft update to the rule keeps this 

8 failed policy on life support, which serves the narrow 

9 interests of the corn ethanol lobby and the corn 

10 ethanol lobby alone while we pay the cost. The science 

11 is indisputable. Corn ethanol and the policy that 

12 mandates its production is devastating to our 

13 environment. 

14 At this major milestone, we must finally put our 

15 environmental and science -- our environment and 

16 science before narrow special interests, support using 

17 quality farm land for sustainable agriculture 

18 production, and invest in renewable fuels that don't 

19 harm our environment. 

20 Thank you. 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, Ms. Vatterott. Do me a 

22 favor and turn that Michigan State University Spartan 

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1 thing so I don't have to look at it. Otherwise, I'm 

2 going to -- 

3 MS. VATTEROTT: Oh, are you a Michigan fan? 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: I'm a major Michigan Wolverine, and 

5 I want to be able to listen to the following panelist. 

6 Thank you. 

7 MS. VATTEROTT: Yes. 

8 (Laughter.) 

9 MS. VATTEROTT: Please proceed. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: I won't let that prejudice your 

11 testimony here today. 

12 MS. VATTEROTT: I appreciate that. Thank you. 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Okay. Next up we have Mr. 

14 Danielski. Welcome. 

15 MR. DANIELSKI: Hello. I'm Mike Danielski from 

16 Valentine, Nebraska. 

17 I would like to thank you for giving me the 

18 opportunity to address you today regarding renewable 

19 fuels. 

20 I would like to give you a little background on 

21 our family farm. It consists of my father, four 

22 brothers, two sons, and three nephews. We also operate 
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1 retail gas stations across Nebraska and employ 

2 approximately 200 employees. 

3 I'm here to tell you -- today to tell you that RFS 

4 plays a big role in the successful future for my family 

5 and employees. Beyond them, RFS is an economical help 

6 for rural America, consumers, and metropolitan areas. 

7 Reducing the RFS will punish consumers with higher 

8 gasoline prices. According to Fuels America, the RFS 

9 has saved consumers an average of $1 a gallon on fuel. 

10 Since 2007, ethanol rack prices have been 52 cents per 

11 gallon lower than gasoline on average, making E15 and 

12 flex fuels a more affordable and cleaner alternative. 

13 Fuels America estimated that RFS has saved 

14 taxpayers about $10 billion per year in reducing the 

15 need for farm program payments. 

16 RFS uncertainty is bad for the business and 

17 consumers. Businesses have been started in nearly 

18 every State to support renewable fuel production, 

19 distribution, research, and development. The renewable 

20 fuels sector generated $184.5 billion in annual output, 

21 supports 852,000 jobs, and pays $46 billion in wages 

22 and $14.5 billion in taxes. 

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1 According to the USDA, the value of agriculture 

2 products have increased nearly $100 billion in the U.S. 

3 since RFS2 was enacted in 2007. 

4 EPA's failure to properly implement RFS stalls 

5 investments in new technology and causes economic pain. 

6 For the first time in decades, farm land values are 

7 falling. Lower crop prices are expected to reduce U.S. 

8 farm income to the lowest level since 2009 and trigger 

9 additional farm program payments. As farmers strain on 

10 spending of equipment, seed, and technologies, 

11 companies have to cut jobs. 

12 If RFS is kept on track, farmers and U.S. 

13 businesses can continue helping consumers and taxpayers 

14 save money by meeting the renewable fuel targets set 

15 forth in the law. RFS is good for the farmer. It's 

16 good for the consumers, and it's good for all of 

17 America. 

18 Thank you for your time. 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Loren Claussen? 

20 MR. CLAUSSEN: Good afternoon. My name is Loren 

21 Claussen. 

22 Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. 

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1 I'm not an expert on ethanol, but I am here to 

2 speak about what ethanol means to me, being from a 

3 small community. After leaving the military and 

4 serving 8 1/2 years, I returned back home to northeast 

5 Nebraska, started working at a railroad. That railroad 

6 served one ethanol plant, which is Husker Ag, I work at 

7 now. 

8 It wasn't a big railroad. It was a shortline, 

9 only had a few customers at the time. Ethanol is part 

10 of the reason that that railroad is still there in 

11 existence with multiple customers now, including grain 

12 shuttle facilities and three ethanol plants. 

13 Over time, I became the general manager of that 

14 railroad. And unfortunately, with its success, it was 

15 purchased by a larger company, and I moved to Texas. 

16 Circumstances brought me back to Nebraska as a single 

17 father looking for a job, and lo and behold, I ended up 

18 in ethanol again. So without ethanol, I wouldn't be 

19 able to raise my kids in this rural community. 

20 Ethanol is another industry in rural communities 

21 that gives kids another choice to come back. A lot of 

22 times when the kids in our rural communities graduate, 

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1 there's nothing to come back to. 

2 So ethanol helped pave my career. Ethanol has 

3 helped my family, and ethanol is a large part of the 

4 future of our rural communities. And I hope you take 

5 that into consideration when you're making your 

6 decision. 

7 Thank you. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for sharing that. Mr. 

9 Stech? 

10 MR. STECH: Yes. My name is Marvin Stech, and I'm 

11 a grain and livestock farmer from northeast Nebraska. 

12 And I'm sure by now there ain't much I can say that you 

13 haven't heard today so far, but I'll give it my best 

14 shot. 

15 I'm here to talk about the RFS and the effects it 

16 has on me and the rural community I live in. In 2005, 

17 Congress adopted the RFS and expanded it in 2007. 

18 Since then, many ethanol plants have been built to meet 

19 this ambitious goal. 

20 As farmers, we were asked by Congress to step up 

21 to the plate and produce the corn needed for this fast22 expanding industry. We met the goal and exceeded it. 
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1 Because of ethanol, the farming community has been 

2 profitable in recent years, and with these profits, we 

3 have invested in new technologies and machinery that 

4 saves energy and protects our natural resources. The 

5 livestock industry has also profited from ethanol's 

6 byproduct, distillers grain, by improved feed 

7 efficiencies and rates of gain, lowering the cost of 

8 production of all meats. 

9 The ethanol story has been a win-win situation, 

10 lowering transportation costs, improving air quality, 

11 while lowering the cost of food. At our farm, most 

12 these new profits were spent on machinery with Tier 4 

13 engines, developing no-till systems and technologies 

14 like moisture-sensing devices that help us save water 

15 and increase yields. All of these new efficiencies 

16 have contributed to higher yields and much larger 

17 crops. 

18 Rural communities across the corn belt have been 

19 flourishing with new businesses and new jobs, bringing 

20 with it prosperity to all who live there. But times 

21 are changing due to overproduction of crops causing low 

22 prices. 

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1 Many farmers are losing money growing crops this 

2 year, adding financial stress to local businesses. 

3 Equipment sales are down sharply, which is one of the 

4 first indicators of negative cash flows. 

5 In times of overproduction, we need to find and 

6 develop new markets and protect the markets promised us 

7 by Congress. As you can clearly see, all of rural 

8 America is geared up to produce the ethanol requested 

9 by the statute set forth by Congress. Any decrease in 

10 the RFS would cause great financial harm to the ethanol 

11 industry and the whole farming community. 

12 So today I stand before you, asking you to 

13 reconsider your proposed adjustment of the RFS. Please 

14 raise the RFS, as it's good for all Americans. 

15 Thank you for your time. 

16 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Brummels? 

17 MR. BRUMMELS: Good afternoon. My name is Robert 

18 Brummels. I'm a 64-year-old farmer from Coleridge, 

19 Nebraska, and co-owner in three farmer-owned ethanol 

20 plants. I am chairman of the board at the ethanol 

21 plant in Plainview. 

22 Many people, including myself, are concerned about 

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1 their legacy. I want mine to be that I'm a plain2 spoke, no BS kind of guy whose word and handshake are 

3 as good as any carefully crafted contract the legal 

4 system can conceive. 

5 The ethanol industry has an incredible legacy. 

6 Cleaner air, many good-paying jobs, lower-priced fuel, 

7 and great prosperity to rural America are but only a 

8 few. 

9 As a farmer, I know the price of corn is currently 

10 at or below the break-even point. Reducing the RFS 

11 and, in turn, reducing the demand for corn, thus 

12 reducing the price, at this time would be a monumental 

13 mistake. 

14 I repeat, rural America has benefited greatly from 

15 the prosperity ethanol production has brought. Reduced 

16 demand from foreign oil, jobs right here in the 

17 heartland of America, cleaner air, and lower-priced 

18 fuel, along with a profit for our corn farmers, which, 

19 in turn, increases prosperity in rural towns and 

20 villages. 

21 The capital needed to build grain-based ethanol 

22 plants was accomplished by farmers putting their money 

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1 at risk with the vision of creating increased demand 

2 for their corn and, in turn, increased prices. The 

3 only chance the cellulosic ethanol industry has to 

4 obtain the capital needed -- to develop is to let the 

5 grain-based ethanol plants produce at the level they 

6 have been or even higher. 

7 Thank you. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Harder? 

9 MR. HARDER: Thank you, Mr. Grundler. 

10 Good afternoon, and thank you for letting me speak 

11 in favor of the renewable fuel standard. My name is 

12 Seth Harder. I'm the general manager for an ethanol 

13 plant in an agricultural community in northeast 

14 Nebraska, which is where I grew up. 

15 Being the son of a mechanic and a nurse, I do not 

16 have any formal ties to agricultural production. 

17 However, I am charged with adding value to agricultural 

18 production. 

19 I provided a handout that illustrates our 

20 country's ability to continuously improve efficiencies 

21 in agricultural production. The renewable fuel 

22 standard is critical to improving efficiencies in the 
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1 agriculture supply chain. 

2 Corn ethanol production efficiently supplies the 

3 world with 40 million tons of high-protein distillers 

4 grains annually. We are adding some 80 million people 

5 to this globe every year. The renewable fuel standard 

6 is and will continue to be a part of the solution to 

7 expanding agriculture and feeding the world. 

8 Do I think that we can operate without oil? 

9 Certainly not. Petroleum products have been vital to 

10 our world's industrialization and prosperity. However, 

11 we do seem to have a need for a low-carbon based fuel 

12 to help supplement today's gasoline. 

13 It's simple math backed up by real-world science 

14 that long carbon chains just don't burn cleanly and 

15 completely enough on their own. The addition of low16 carbon hydroxyl chains helps to lower emissions. 

17 That's ethanol. 

18 If this isn't true, then why do we still have 

19 catalytic converters? And why are cases of health and 

20 developmental issues like lung cancer, asthma, and 

21 autism exponentially increasing in the population who 

22 live in close proximities to urban freeways? 

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1 Also if it is truly ethanol industry's job to now 

2 somehow overcome the artificial blend wall, then it's 

3 about time that we request from Congress a 1-pound Reid 

4 vapor pressure waiver for E15. I understand EPA can't 

5 grant that, but you could help request it. 

6 The only way for ethanol to truly compete in a 

7 free enterprise market is to be able to offer it to the 

8 consumer as a choice. Until then, the renewable fuel 

9 standard is vital to ensuring that alternatives 

10 continue to be adopted by consumers. 

11 Being the son of a mechanic, I am reminded of the 

12 so-called lead phaseout debacle of the 1970s and how 

13 that was such a debatable subject that the American 

14 people had to deal with. However, if we fast forward 

15 to present day, I doubt very many people in the general 

16 population would remember the facts. 

17 Change isn't easy, but the facts should be 

18 considered when making this decision. 

19 Thank you. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Thank you very much. 

21 Thank you, panel. 

22 Mr. Claussen, we honor your service, sir. Thank 

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1 you. 

2 MR. CLAUSSEN: Appreciate it. 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Next panel, the Garnett panel, 

4 please join us. 

5 (Pause.) 

6 MR. GRUNDLER: Okay, we have a new batting order. 

7 Mr. Hughes, you lead off. 

8 MR. HUGHES: Thank you. 

9 My name is Charlie Hughes, and I have been a 

10 member of the board of directors of the East Kansas 

11 Agri-Energy since August of 2013. I originally 

12 invested in the plant in January of 2004. 

13 I am not a farmer. I spent 21 years as an 

14 agriculture community banker and another 21 years in 

15 the insurance business. So many of my customers are 

16 and have been farmers and residents of rural Kansas 

17 communities. 

18 These communities are why I chose to invest in the 

19 East Kansas plant. I wanted to do my part to improve 

20 the prospects and prosperity of these rural towns that 

21 have so much offer. 

22 I cannot begin to tell you the impact that ethanol 

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1 production has had on the communities and citizens in 

2 our part of the world. Yes, the demand for agriculture 

3 products has stabilized farming and added value to our 

4 agricultural production. Others have talked about that 

5 today. 

6 But I've witnessed even broader, more powerful 

7 impact that reaches well beyond the cornfields of 

8 Kansas. The economic vitality created by the RFS has 

9 created good-paying jobs, tax revenue at the local, 

10 State, and national levels, and reinvestment in small 

11 towns that was unthinkable just a few short years ago. 

12 This resurgence in American agriculture is 

13 bringing young people back to the American farms, 

14 ranches, and rural hometowns to serve as the next 

15 generation of food producers, agribusiness leaders, 

16 bankers, agronomists, teachers, and community leaders. 

17 Where once there has been concern and despair, we now 

18 see hope and promise. 

19 Rural America has always been the solid, reliable 

20 core of this nation. The RFS has created the 

21 opportunity for rural America to ramp up its 

22 contribution to our nation's success. 
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1 We are now producing more than an abundant source 

2 of high-quality, affordable food for our nation and the 

3 world. Now we're a player in America's energy market, 

4 and we're providing clean-burning, environmentally 

5 friendly, affordable choices at the pump for American 

6 consumers. 

7 There is no question that the RFS has helped 

8 improve America's energy security and broaden our 

9 transportation fuel portfolio. But in fact, the RFS 

10 has been one of the most powerful economic development 

11 programs in recent history. 

12 It has given rural America the impetus to become 

13 an even more valuable partner in our nation's success. 

14 The RFS has been a job creator, a tax revenue 

15 generator, and has added value to our strength in 

16 agricultural production. While helping to free America 

17 from its reliance on oil, the RFS has also helped free 

18 rural America from its reliance on Federal Government 

19 for support. 

20 On behalf of the rural Kansas communities in our 

21 area and on behalf of all the rural communities across 

22 the U.S. that have prepared -- that have prospered 

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1 thanks to the renewable fuel production, I urge you to 

2 leave RFS alone because we're not making fuel here in 

3 America's heartland, we're actually forging our future. 

4 Thank you. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. Mr. Burkdoll? 

6 MR. BURKDOLL: Thank you. 

7 I'm Scott Burkdoll. I'm the vice chairman for 

8 East Kansas Agri-Energy, and I have intimate knowledge 

9 of two industries that have been the source of bad 

10 press for ethanol. My family and I raise cattle, and 

11 we produce crude oil. 

12 Like other cattle producers, we were initially 

13 concerned that the ethanol plant would raise corn 

14 prices. In fact, the impact on price has been mostly 

15 negligible. But the impact on our cattle operation has 

16 been dramatically positive. We have learned there is 

17 no better single feed ingredient on the market than the 

18 distillers grains produced at EKAE. 

19 We used to raise significant acres of corn for 

20 feed and forage and purchased five times what we grew 

21 from local farmers. Today, we focus on raising medium22 to low-quality forage and enhancing those rations with 

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1 distillers grain from our ethanol plant. As a result, 

2 we've reduced our raw corn usage by 90 percent and 

3 reduced our nitrogen fertilizer use by 40 percent. 

4 Our energy costs for feed processing have dropped 

5 80 percent since distillers grains require no further 

6 processing. We've seen better feed efficiency, 

7 improved animal performance, and enhanced animal 

8 health. As a result, the carbon footprint of our 

9 cattle operation has been reduced substantially. 

10 The bottom line. Environmentally friendly ethanol 

11 has also helped make our cattle operation more 

12 sustainable and environmentally friendly. Now on to my 

13 oil industry background. 

14 I was elected president of the Eastern Kansas Oil 

15 and Gas Association in 2011. We represent small oil 

16 companies in eastern Kansas, and we should not be 

17 confused with the big oil that has attacked the ethanol 

18 industry in information campaigns to confuse 

19 policymakers and the public. 

20 The proposed changes in the RFS would only benefit 

21 big oil and OPEC and would stymie recent advancements 

22 by the American Independent Oil Producers to bring 

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1 greater choice to the American consumers with higher 

2 blends of ethanol. 

3 Some of my oil industry colleagues are unit 

4 holders in the EKAE plant. They understand that 

5 ethanol is not a threat to their livelihood, and they 

6 also understand that our nation's long-term energy -- 

7 goal of energy independence requires a diverse 

8 portfolio of fuel sources and choices. The RFS is one 

9 of the rare instances in recent memory in which 

10 Congress worked with bipartisanship to create smart 

11 policy with a long-term vision, a policy that has been 

12 a resounding success by any measure. 

13 Everyone wins. The farmer who has a new market 

14 for grain, the U.S. Treasury that pays less for farm 

15 subsidies, the big oil refinery that has an easy-to16 blend, environmentally safe component for higher octane 

17 and greater profit potential, livestock producer who 

18 gets a high-protein, high-energy feed, and consumers 

19 who save money and breathe easier with domestic 

20 renewable clean air fuel choice. 

21 The effects of the proposed RFS change are not 

22 just about fuel. They're about virtually every sector 
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1 of the American economy. They're about this nation's 

2 very future. 

3 I urge you not to buy into big oil's selfish, 

4 short-term, profit-driven agenda. I urge you to leave 

5 the RFS alone and continue to let America prosper. 

6 Thank you. 

7 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. 

8 Another announcement. If there are panel members 

9 in the room from 33, 35, and 37, you're going to be 

10 able to present testimony now in the other room that we 

11 have. If you could meet my colleague, Jonelle, she's 

12 waiving furiously at the end, and she will escort you 

13 to the other room, where you'll be able to provide 

14 testimony sooner. 

15 MALE SPEAKER: You took all our fans away, Chris. 

16 (Laughter.) 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: They'll have to read the 

18 transcript. Okay, let's see. Next we have Mr. Mobley. 

19 MR. MOBLEY: Good afternoon. My name is Kevin 

20 Mobley, and I'm general manager of H&R Block's ex-pat 

21 tax services business. 

22 I'm also a board member and shareholder of East 

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1 Kansas Agri-Energy, an ethanol company that has proudly 

2 produced 370 million gallons of ethanol from 135 

3 million bushel of corn, purchased locally, that 

4 generated over $900 million in revenue since production 

5 started just 10 years ago. 

6 Thirty-eight new full-time jobs were created in 

7 Garnett, with an additional 12 to 15 jobs expected to 

8 be added later this year. Over 500 livestock producers 

9 in our area purchase distillers grains, a co-product 

10 which is used to feed -- as livestock feed to lower 

11 their cost of production. 

12 Development of a healthy and growing ethanol 

13 industry has had a profoundly positive impact on the 

14 people and the economy in the Garnett, Kansas, area. 

15 I'm against the EPA proposal to change the renewable 

16 fuel standards by lowering the ethanol volume 

17 requirement for three primary reasons. 

18 Number one, the current RFS is working and meeting 

19 the intended objectives. It was passed by Congress in 

20 2005 in an effort to primarily decrease our dependency 

21 on foreign oil and to produce a fuel that is safer to 

22 the environment. 

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1 Over 14 billion gallons of ethanol are being 

2 produced each year, and it has allowed the U.S. to 

3 become less dependent on foreign oil. In addition, 

4 ethanol has contributed to lower prices at the pump as 

5 the big oil companies, despite what they may say, have 

6 enjoyed the ability to blend ethanol to attain the 

7 required octane rating at a lower cost. 

8 The production of U.S. ethanol over the RFS 

9 requirement has allowed us to also meet a growing 

10 global need, but in a more volatile export market. The 

11 belief by the agency that there is inadequate domestic 

12 supply is simply inaccurate. 

13 Number two, the EPA proposal violates the law. 

14 Changing the RFS would be inconsistent with the statute 

15 and contradictory to Congress' intent of this law. 

16 Moreover, the Clean Air Act does not permit the agency 

17 to take into account factors that affect consumption or 

18 perceived infrastructure and capacity concerns in 

19 determining whether to waive or change the RFS. So the 

20 EPA's hypothesis that the blend wall of 10 percent has 

21 been reached is not only inaccurate, but by law cannot 

22 be considered or used as a reason to propose changes to 

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1 the RFS. 

2 And number three, ethanol is good for America, and 

3 changing the RFS ethanol standard is not. I've already 

4 shared with you the significant and positive impact the 

5 ethanol industry has had on our local area. It's 

6 created jobs, reversed the economic trend of yet 

7 another suffering small town in rural America, and has 

8 generated income for local farm families through higher 

9 demand for their corn and nearly $50 million in 

10 dividend for our shareholders. I'm sure this is a 

11 similar story to the 200-plus communities across 

12 America which are home to an ethanol plant. 

13 Due to favorable market timing, a high-performing 

14 plant and workforce, and a healthy ethanol market, our 

15 company has been financially successful. And as a 

16 result, we are prepared to increase our capital 

17 investment in producing renewable fuel for America only 

18 if we believe market conditions will be favorable. The 

19 primary reason we would stop investment or divest is a 

20 lack of a long-term, stable energy policy that ensures 

21 a healthy business environment for ethanol producers. 

22 In closing, I'm against the proposal for the EPA 
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1 to lower the RFS ethanol requirement for the reasons 

2 outlined. The EPA has a choice to make. It could 

3 either side with big oil companies and protect their 

4 monopoly over consumers or stand up for American jobs, 

5 farmers, and clean energy innovation by keeping the RFS 

6 on track and supporting ways to increase domestic 

7 demand rather than limiting demand and its valuable 

8 role of blending in gasoline. 

9 Thank you for this opportunity to express my view 

10 about the proposal. 

11 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Mr. Eckelman? 

12 MR. ECKELMAN: My name is Joel Eckelman, and I am 

13 merchandising manager at East Kansas Agri-Energy, an 

14 ethanol plant located in Garnett, Kansas. 

15 I am here today to comment on the recent EPA 

16 proposed rule on the RFS, and I hope you consider my 

17 comments when making the final decision. I have spent 

18 30-plus years in agribusiness, witnessing firsthand the 

19 positive impacts that the RFS has had for agricultural 

20 producers, our rural economy, and for enhancing our 

21 nation's energy security. 

22 EPA's proposal clearly shows that the majority of 

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1 the outreach and dialogue they had in developing this 

2 rule did not include the agricultural community or 

3 biofuel producers, as the role of conventional corn4 based ethanol will be significantly reduced. Reducing 

5 the RFS will have negative impacts for, yes, farmers 

6 and our rural economics. 

7 With less corn-based ethanol required under the 

8 new proposal, demand for corn will be reduced, and 

9 farmers can and should expect to receive lower prices 

10 for their production. Lower corn prices from current 

11 levels will likely trigger subsidy payments, a cost to 

12 taxpayers that has been largely absent since the RFS 

13 was enacted in 2005. 

14 Farmers will be first to tell you that subsidy 

15 farming is farming below the cost of production and not 

16 a sustainable business model. They want to sell their 

17 production in a free market at a profit, and an ethanol 

18 industry operating at full production affords them an 

19 opportunity to do just that without reliance on 

20 Government handouts. 

21 Thanks to the U.S. farmers and the ethanol 

22 industry, corn production in the U.S. today supports a 

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1 full RFS of 15 billion gallons of ethanol without 

2 compromising corn usage for feed, food, or exports. 

3 Since enactment of the RFS, corn use for ethanol 

4 production has more than tripled from just under 1.7 

5 billion bushels used in 2005 to over 5.1 billion 

6 bushels projected for this year, and we'll still have 

7 1.8 billion bushels of corn left over. 

8 Trend-line corn yields have steadily increased as 

9 farmers have incorporated new seed, chemical, and 

10 production technologies into their operations, and 

11 ethanol plants have responded by increasing their 

12 production efficiencies as well. In fact, earlier this 

13 month, USDA actually raised projected corn carryout 

14 supplies by 25 million bushels directly as a result 

15 from the improved efficiencies by ethanol producers. 

16 So U.S. agriculture can produce the corn, and the 

17 U.S. ethanol industry can produce clean, renewable fuel 

18 to support increased demand in the future. Ethanol 

19 supports jobs and opportunities for over 400,000 

20 Americans. 

21 When the industry is successful and society 

22 benefits, why reduce the RFS and go backwards? 

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1 Changing the RFS from a long-term mandate to a program 

2 subject to revision by unpredictable annual rules 

3 neither makes sense nor supports growth, investment, 

4 and continued diversification in the renewable fuels 

5 industry. 

6 Our Garnett facility will celebrate its 10th 

7 anniversary later this year. In addition to having 

8 purchased 135 million bushels of corn, producing 370 

9 million gallons of ethanol, 2.4 million tons of 

10 distillers grains, and 33 million pounds of feed-grade 

11 corn oil since our inception, we will soon begin 

12 production of clean, renewable diesel fuel from corn 

13 oil, emphasizing that today's ethanol plants are 

14 innovative processing and manufacturing facilities, 

15 creating the types of jobs that America wants and 

16 needs. 

17 The ethanol industry is a success story that needs 

18 to continue with a full, not reduced, role in our 

19 nation's energy future. 

20 Thank you. 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Tom? 

22 MR. LEITNAKER: My name is Tom Leitnaker. I'm the 
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1 chief financial officer at East Kansas Agri-Energy in 

2 Garnett, Kansas. 

3 My first experience with ethanol was in the early 

4 1980s. As a young professional raising a family, we 

5 were always looking for ways to save a dollar. I 

6 remember the first time I saw ethanol at the pump, 

7 complete with the skull and crossbones warning, but it 

8 was cheaper and we used it. And I continued to use it 

9 because the cars ran fine, and the price was right. 

10 I didn't give ethanol another thought until 2005 

11 when I was looking for a job. I attended a job fair 

12 for a new production facility. I didn't know what a 

13 big deal this was for the community of Garnett, but I 

14 can say that the excitement of the management excited 

15 me as well, and I was eager for the opportunity to work 

16 in the biofuels industry. Clean, renewable, 

17 sustainable, and very exciting. 

18 East Kansas was a coffee shop idea developed by a 

19 group of local farmers who wanted to have another 

20 outlet for their corn. A value-added ethanol 

21 production facility seemed to be the right fit, and a 

22 perfect fit it was. 

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1 We're a really big deal in Garnett, Kansas. In 

2 our 10 years of operation, we have purchased over 134 

3 million bushels of corn at a cost of over $600 million. 

4 The amount that we paid for that corn, whether to the 

5 farmer or to the elevator, has paid for land, seed, 

6 fertilizers, labor, equipment, food for families, 

7 housing, clothing, doctor bills, preschool, cars and 

8 trucks, tuition, cell phones, income taxes, and Girl 

9 Scout cookies. The plant has truly had a wide-ranging, 

10 positive impact in our area, just as ethanol plants 

11 across the nation have impacted their hometowns. 

12 Our rural economy is flourishing with the help of 

13 the ethanol plant. We spend another $12 million a year 

14 on other goods and services, which eventually pays for 

15 wages, food, clothing, tuition, cell phone, and of 

16 course, Girl Scout cookies. Ethanol production puts 

17 dollars back into the local economy and sustains rural 

18 America. 

19 Our fossil fuel dependency is long overdue for 

20 another look. We use it to heat and power our homes, 

21 schools, churches, and other workplaces, as well as to 

22 provide fuel for all modes of transportation. Some 

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1 would say that it, too, is renewable. I'll give them 

2 that, but it takes thousands of years. 

3 I have children and grandchildren for whom I want 

4 to do everything I can to ensure that they have the 

5 resources available to make their lives more 

6 comfortable and sustainable. Ethanol can do that. Not 

7 by itself, but it can be part of the equation. 

8 In 2012, the industry was directly responsible for 

9 87,000 jobs and indirectly supported 295,000 more. 

10 Today, East Kansas employs 38 full-time employees, a 

11 handful of students on summer staff. Our annual 

12 payroll of over $2 million turns multiple times in the 

13 communities in which we work and live, paying for food, 

14 shelter, clothing, education, daycare, and Girl Scout 

15 cookies. 

16 I urge you, don't mess with the RFS. 

17 Thank you. 

18 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, sir. Mr. 

19 Oestmann? 

20 MR. OESTMANN: First of all, before I get started, 

21 I'd like to again thank EPA, Chris specifically, for 

22 making a trip to our plant yesterday. We were very 

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1 honored to have you as a guest at our plant and hope 

2 that the discussion we have will have an effect on the 

3 ultimate decision that you do make. 

4 So thank you again. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for hosting me. 

6 MR. OESTMANN: Okay. My name is Jeff Oestmann. 

7 I'm the president and CEO of East Kansas Agri-Energy in 

8 Garnett, Kansas. 

9 I'd like to thank my colleagues here for their 

10 compelling testimony and illustrating really the 

11 substantial impact that the proposed reductions in 

12 volume requirements will have on our businesses, our 

13 communities, and our nation -- and of course, Girl 

14 Scout cookies. 

15 I spent 11 years in the Marine Corps and was 

16 stationed around the globe. I served in the elite 

17 Marine Security Guard Force protecting U.S. embassies, 

18 and I have seen firsthand the political, financial, and 

19 human costs of our nation's reliance on imported oil. 

20 As CEO and president of an ethanol plant, I've 

21 seen the powerful positive impact that renewable fuels 

22 have on our community, our farmers, our environment, 
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1 and our nation. I have seen America keep more of its 

2 energy dollars at home instead of sending them to 

3 countries really that simply don't like us very much. 

4 Excuse me. After spending more than a decade 

5 serving in the military around the world, I can tell 

6 you that I'd much rather do business in the Midwest 

7 than in the Middle East. 

8 Our plant is currently in the middle of building 

9 between a $15 million and $16 million renewable diesel 

10 production facility. Renewable diesel is the true 

11 drop-in biofuel that many talk about, and it represents 

12 the next generation of advanced biofuels prescribed in 

13 the RFS. 

14 I can assure you that the investment and the 

15 technology would not have been possible without the 

16 RFS. Many people sing the praises of advanced 

17 biofuels, but they forget that it was built on the 

18 foundation of base ethanol production. The RFS has 

19 helped us build that foundation and will help us build 

20 what is to come in terms of advanced biofuels. 

21 Our long-range strategic plans include other new 

22 projects and technologies over really the next 3 to 5 

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1 years. But today, those projects are on hold, thanks 

2 to the uncertainty that the EPA has created around the 

3 RFS. If corn-based ethanol is reduced or not allowed 

4 to grow beyond 10 percent, this will strand billions of 

5 dollars of investment nationwide that are poised to 

6 help America continue to evolve the biofuels industry. 

7 By adopting the RFS, Congress has given America 

8 greater control over its future, greater control over 

9 where our energy comes from, greater control over the 

10 choices consumers have at the pump, greater control of 

11 our environment, and just as importantly, the RFS has 

12 given the petroleum industry less control over 

13 America's pocketbooks, energy independence, and our 

14 environment. 

15 When it comes to domestic renewable fuels, we 

16 don't need less. We need more, and that's exactly what 

17 the RFS passed by Congress has outlined. 

18 You've heard from our team how the RFS has been a 

19 winner for agriculture, for livestock production, for 

20 the communities, for young people, for our environment, 

21 for our economy, and for our nation. When you add it 

22 all up, it really makes you wonder why we're even here 

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1 today. 

2 I urge you to leave the RFS alone and let it do 

3 what it's been doing and continue to do, strengthening 

4 our national energy supply, economy, environment, and 

5 our very future. 

6 Thank you very much for your time and, again, 

7 thank you for yesterday. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you all for your testimony. 

9 Mr. Oestmann, thank you for your service to the 

10 country. We honor that. 

11 And now I'd like to invite the next panel up. 

12 Good luck. 

13 At this time, I'd also like to let the panel 

14 members for Panel Number 39 know that you are on deck. 

15 So if any of you are in the room, you may go to our 

16 on-deck circle. You will be following this panel. 

17 Panel 31, welcome. Mr. Lapp, Allen Rider, Taylor 

18 Nelson, Dave Bierman, Gail Allison, and Cheryl Worth. 

19 Thank you for being here. 

20 Mr. Lapp, please begin when you're ready. 

21 MR. LAPP: Yes. All right. 

22 Well, thank you for the opportunity to come here 

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1 today. Thank you for being here. I'm hoping this is 

2 the last time we have a hearing on the 2014 proposal. 

3 So that would be really good for everybody. 

4 MR. GRUNDLER: I completely understand. 

5 MR. LAPP: My name is Bill Lapp, and I'm the 

6 president of Advanced Economic Solutions, and I'm a 

7 consulting -- work for a consulting firm, I own it, 

8 that works primarily with food companies to help them 

9 manage food costs. I am one of the few, if not the 

10 only person representing the food industry here today. 

11 So maybe a little bit different perspective. 

12 The renewable fuel standard has been a major 

13 challenge for each of the food companies we work with 

14 since its inception. The EPA proposal to reduce the 

15 RVOs below statutory levels during 2014 and 2015 is 

16 warranted and appropriate. However, the proposed level 

17 of RVOs during 2016 would create sizable market 

18 challenges and should be reduced. 

19 AES generally agrees with the proposed RVOs for 

20 '14 and '15. The EPA should be applauded for their 

21 astute response to the 2014 and 2015 market limitations 

22 that they face. 
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1 However, AES believes that the proposed mandate 

2 for 2016 are beyond levels that can be met without 

3 meaningful market disruptions. The proposed carve-out 

4 for conventional biofuels for 2016 would be 14 billion 

5 gallons. This would exceed the 10 percent blend wall 

6 by 500 million gallons more than it's ever exceeded the 

7 blend wall in the past. 

8 The ability of the market to meet conventional 

9 biofuel requirements during 2016 is unclear. We have 

10 an inventory of D6 RINs obviously that would help meet 

11 the challenge. However, facing an RVO for conventional 

12 biofuels that exceeds the 10 percent blend wall may 

13 cause market disruptions in RIN prices and gasoline 

14 prices that the market is ill-equipped to handle. In 

15 other words, I guess I would say you're moving 

16 perilously close to the third rail in terms of moving 

17 above the blend wall with the conventional. 

18 In terms of the advanced, the proposed advanced 

19 biofuel RVO during 2016 has significant market 

20 consequences, in my opinion, for biodiesel feedstock 

21 requirements, specifically soybean oil. AES recommends 

22 the 2016 advanced RVO be reduced to the proposed level 

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1 for 2015, 2.9 billion gallons. 

2 Beyond cellulosic, a total of 3.2 billion gallons 

3 of biofuels would be required during 2016. Given the 

4 challenge of the blend wall, AES believes that most of 

5 this, if not all of this, would be met with increased 

6 biodiesel utilization. 

7 Even allowing for an increase in Argentine imports 

8 during 2015 and beyond -- and you should be applauded 

9 for approving that pathway -- AES estimates that the 

10 EPA proposal for advanced biofuel levels would result 

11 in soybean oil use for the production of methyl ester 

12 at 5.6 billion pounds of soybean oil, a 13 percent 

13 increase. 

14 The increase in soybean oil demand would be 

15 difficult to meet as ending stocks are already tight. 

16 The dramatic soy oil market reaction on May 29th to 

17 your proposal is evidence of this. Nearby soybean oil 

18 futures in the hours following that rose by 7.5 

19 percent. 

20 In conclusion, the advanced biofuel proposal by 

21 EPA has already created a disruption in the 

22 availability and price of soybean oil. Because of the 

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1 importance of soybean oil to food companies, EPA 

2 decisions with regard to the annual RVO for advanced 

3 biofuels are already substantially increasing costs for 

4 food companies. 

5 AES recommends that EPA reduce the proposed 2016 

6 advanced biofuel RVO to 2.9 billion gallons, the same 

7 level as 2015. 

8 Thank you. And I hope after you've endured this 8 

9 or 9 hours of testimony, you have the chance to use 

10 alcohol for its best purpose afterwards. 

11 (Laughter.) 

12 MR. LAPP: Thank you. 

13 MR. GRUNDLER: Okay. You can count on that. 

14 Thank you. 

15 Mr. Rider, welcome. 

16 MR. RIDER: Thank you. 

17 Appreciate the opportunity to be here today to 

18 testify on the 2014, 2015, and 2016 standards. My name 

19 is Allen Rider. I've worked in the industry, the 

20 agricultural industry for 40-some years, and I'm one of 

21 the founding members of the 25x'25 group. 

22 Despite a slight increase in the proposed volumes 

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1 over the November 2013 proposal, EPA's latest proposed 

2 volume requirements are not in alignment with the 

3 congressionally established biofuel blending 

4 requirements. As proposed, the standards would curtail 

5 the attainment of economic, environment, energy, and 

6 national security and public health benefits that 

7 Congress expected to achieve through the implementation 

8 of the RFS. 

9 The resurgence that the nation's rural sector has 

10 enjoyed over the past decade has been driven in large 

11 part by biofuel production. In 2014, ethanol 

12 production contributed nearly $53 million to the 

13 nation's GDP, supported -- that's $53 billion, excuse 

14 me, to the nation's GDP. Supported nearly 380,000 

15 jobs, generated over $25 billion in wages, contributed 

16 $10.3 billion in tax revenues, and displaced $49 

17 billion of potentially imported oil. 

18 The effects of biodiesel are similar, except at a 

19 smaller magnitude because of the lower volumes. I 

20 would hate to see us lose this opportunity and 

21 potentially put the renewable energy at risk through 

22 the agricultural and the rural developments that we've 
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1 been doing. Also, we must recognize that this act will 

2 reduce the desire to put more investment in both the 

3 production side and the distribution side. 

4 Rather than reducing the biofuel blending 

5 requirements established under the EISA of 2007, EPA 

6 should maintain and enforce the congressionally 

7 established renewable fuel volume targets and thereby 

8 stimulate innovation and move our nation to a stronger 

9 position in the global energy economy. And while we're 

10 reaping the economic and security benefits of a strong 

11 biofuel sector, we can also further reduce emissions of 

12 greenhouse gases and toxic pollutions resulting from 

13 petroleum fuel usage. 

14 Further, it is time to stop using the constraining 

15 term "E10 blend wall." The future for higher-blend 

16 ethanol is bright. 

17 Researchers at our DOE national laboratories have 

18 found that mid-level ethanol fuel blends between 25 and 

19 40 percent not only enable higher-octane fuels but 

20 offer real gains of 5 to 10 percent in vehicle 

21 efficiency and significant reductions in greenhouse gas 

22 emissions. In fact, lifecycle analysis models show 

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1 that conventional biofuels now reduce emissions by up 

2 to 48 percent, as compared to fossil fuels, while 

3 cellulosic biofuels achieve even better reductions. 

4 Even with taking land use change into account, new 

5 data shows that total emissions from the biofuels are 

6 much lower than that of petroleum fuels. Going 

7 forward, efficiencies in feedstock production, 

8 improvements in biomass conversion processes, and 

9 improved engine technologies will further enhance the 

10 carbon lifecycle for biofuels while the search for 

11 harder to reach crude supplies will adversely impact 

12 the carbon lifecycle for petroleum. 

13 The RFS is a long-term policy commitment by 

14 Congress to drive innovation, expand research and 

15 development, encourage investment, and open the door to 

16 new markets. If not revised, EPA's proposed biofuel 

17 blending requirements will make the attainment of the 

18 President's energy efficiency and climate goals much 

19 more difficult, if not really impossible to attain. 

20 I thank you very much for the opportunity to 

21 present our views on this critically important clean 

22 energy policy. We'll be submitting details in writing. 

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1 MR. GRUNDLER: Excellent. Thank you, Mr. Rider. 

2 Mr. Nelson, you're up. 

3 MR. NELSON: Thank you. I'm Taylor Nelson, and 

4 I'm from Jackson, Nebraska, a small town in the 

5 northeast corner of the State. 

6 I'm 24 years old and recently completed my degree 

7 at the University of Nebraska Lincoln in agriculture 

8 economics. I'm recently married and have returned home 

9 to rural Nebraska, where I am currently working to 

10 transition into our family farming operation as the 

11 fifth generation. I'm also an owner of a retail fuel 

12 and convenience store business in Jackson, along with 

13 my father. 

14 Thank you for the opportunity to testify in 

15 opposition to the proposed reductions in the RFS, 

16 particularly the corn ethanol requirements. 

17 In the fall of 2012, my dad, wife, and I completed 

18 a brand-new, state-of-the-art C-store facility 

19 highlighted by several new features, including the 

20 installation of ethanol blender pumps. We envisioned 

21 the ability to purchase our ethanol directly from the 

22 plant located in Jackson and offer higher-level ethanol 

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1 blends that we could proudly advertise were made using 

2 locally grown corn and produced right in Jackson about 

3 1 mile from our station. 

4 We made major investments in equipment and 

5 infrastructure to be able to do this, with the vision 

6 that things like the RFS would help keep this 

7 investment secure through the mandate of higher ethanol 

8 usage that could be made viable through higher-level 

9 ethanol blends. We hoped to promote both the strong 

10 local market for area corn producers, as well as 

11 choices of E15, E30, and E85 ethanol blends for our 

12 customers. 

13 Through our renovations, we now offer ethanol 

14 blends at our station that very often provide for 

15 lowest cost per mile for consumers and promote our 

16 locally produced fuel source and local corn farmers. A 

17 big part of putting the RFS back to where it was 

18 initially set is finding ways to use more ethanol. For 

19 those opposing the RFS saying that consumers are not 

20 interested in higher ethanol blends, I have a different 

21 story to tell. 

22 Higher ethanol-blended gasoline, which, for us, 
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1 includes E15, E30, and E85, have accounted for 20 

2 percent of our total gas sales. We have seen this 

3 immense response in only 2 1/2 years of making these 

4 blends available. Prior to our renovations, there were 

5 no ethanol blends offered at our station besides E10. 

6 Further, in the first 2 1/2 years of operation, we 

7 have averaged an 18.4 percent ethanol blend, including 

8 our E10. This is proof that consumers are interested 

9 in higher ethanol blends and the economic and 

10 environmental benefits. 

11 This is a new concept for many consumers, and I am 

12 happy to say that customers of ours have done an 

13 excellent job adopting and understanding fuels and that 

14 we experience very few problems with people using 

15 higher ethanol blends. 

16 As a farmer and fuel retailer, I made a commitment 

17 through the many investments needed to offer ethanol 

18 blends, as well as getting started farming. I'm here 

19 to explain the great results I've seen in doing this on 

20 all sides. 

21 I hope that my testimony helps the EPA see the 

22 importance of maintaining their commitment in the RFS 

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1 and the vital role they play in ensuring a successful 

2 rural America for my generation and for corn producers 

3 and fuel retailers in the future. 

4 Thank you. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Bierman? 

6 MR. BIERMAN: Hi. I'm Dave Bierman, a farmer from 

7 Iowa. 

8 Think about this. It takes 3.5 gallons of diesel 

9 fuel to produce an acre of corn. One acre's 

10 production, 200 bushel of corn, run through an ethanol 

11 plant will produce 560 gallons of ethanol. 

12 That's not a bad trade, 3.5 gallons for 560 

13 gallons of ethanol. And still you have a high-protein 

14 livestock feed that's a byproduct of the process. 

15 Also, we produce twice as much corn today as we 

16 did in the '80s on less acres. 

17 Thank you. 

18 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. Very efficient 

19 testimony today. 

20 So last, but certainly not least, we have Cheryl 

21 Worth. Welcome. 

22 MS. WORTH: Thank you. 

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1 My name is Cheryl Worth. I'm president of 3G 

2 Energy in Wichita, Kansas. 

3 I want to thank everybody for giving me a voice 

4 today about something that my husband and I are very 

5 passionate about, and I feel very honored to be here 

6 today. 

7 My husband and I are in the convenience store and 

8 fuel business. We sell gasoline and blends of ethanol 

9 up to E85. We have never had any ethanol fuel-related 

10 issues. Our customers love E85. We sell a lot of it 

11 to customers for their race cars. The higher the 

12 octane, the better to them. They'd buy E98 if we could 

13 sell it to them. 

14 We are also very strong advocates for fuel choice, 

15 and we feel it is our moral obligation to try to make a 

16 difference. We were recently featured in a documentary 

17 called "Pump," which is about fuel competition, fuel 

18 choice, and energy independence. 

19 Right now, we have a fuel monopoly in this 

20 country. We will never become energy independent as a 

21 nation while we are dependent solely on oil as a fuel 

22 source. We need to support homegrown renewable fuels. 

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1 Until then, we will continue to be held hostage by 

2 Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations who take our money 

3 and control crude pricing. 

4 The definition of insanity is doing the same thing 

5 over and expecting a different result. We all should 

6 remind ourselves what happened in 1973 and not set 

7 ourselves up for another oil crisis. We need to be 

8 following the lead of Brazil, who have fuel 

9 competition. They have fuel choice, and they have made 

10 themselves energy independent. 

11 Ethanol has been an excellent replacement for 

12 MTBE. Ethanol is high octane. It's clean burning. 

13 It's nontoxic, noncarcinogenic. It's just merely grain 

14 alcohol. As a breast cancer survivor myself with no 

15 prior family history of breast cancer, I know that we 

16 are being exposed to way too many toxins. There is too 

17 much cancer. 

18 The average American doesn't realize that 10 

19 percent ethanol is blended into our fuel supply to 

20 boost the subgrade 85 octane gasoline that the oil 

21 companies are making at the refineries. So the oil 

22 companies are taking advantage of ethanol's high 
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1 octane. 

2 It's my opinion that we should be adding more 

3 ethanol into our fuel supply, not less. E15 is merely 

4 adding another 5 percent ethanol into the fuel supply. 

5 It would add octane and displace some of our fuel 

6 needs. 

7 It's because of first-generation or corn ethanol 

8 that we now have over 17 million flex-fuel vehicles on 

9 the road today that can burn either gasoline or blends 

10 of ethanol up to E85. More and more stations are 

11 getting blender pumps and offering fuel choice. We are 

12 building infrastructure. We are making progress. 

13 The agenda of those behind the movement to change 

14 the RFS have made their agenda very clear on social 

15 media sites, where they are pushing their agenda. And 

16 make no mistake. This is not about tweaking the RFS. 

17 This is an attempt to ultimately end the RFS, end fuel 

18 competition, and end fuel choice. 

19 As a mother and a parent, I want better for my 

20 children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren. 

21 We need to make things better for future generations. 

22 We need to fix this. Please make the right decisions 

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1 that move us forward and not back. 

2 God bless. 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, Ms. Worth. 

4 And thank you to all the panel member for your 

5 time. We really respect it. 

6 The next panel is Panel 39. If you did not hear 

7 me announce a few minutes ago that 33, 35, and 37 are 

8 now in the adjacent room, you should go over there 

9 right now. 

10 And I do not see any Panel 39 members in the on11 deck line. So we will take a 5-minute break and try to 

12 get the word out that we've moved them forward. 

13 Thank you. 

14 (Recess.) 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Have a seat. 

16 (Pause.) 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: We'll move from this end to that 

18 end in order since this is an ad hoc panel. Come on 

19 up. 

20 (Pause.) 

21 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. We're ready when you 

22 are, ma'am. 

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1 MS. CALDWELL: Okay. Great. Good afternoon. My 

2 name is Iris Caldwell. I'm a research engineer with 

3 the Energy Resources Center at the University of 

4 Illinois-Chicago. 

5 I welcome the opportunity to present at this 

6 important hearing regarding the 2014, 2015, and 2016 

7 standards for the Renewable Fuel Standard Program. 

8 The Biofuels Research Center at the Energy 

9 Resources Center has been extensively informing the 

10 scientific discourse in the area of energy and 

11 greenhouse gas modeling during the renewable fuel 

12 standard development. Our principal economist, Dr. 

13 Steffen Mueller, served on the expert working group for 

14 the California Low-Carbon Fuel Standard development and 

15 is the coauthor of the CCLUB land use interface model 

16 used in the Argonne GREET model. 

17 Our peer-reviewed research has demonstrated that 

18 today's average corn-based ethanol significantly 

19 reduces greenhouse gas emissions compared to petroleum20 based gasoline, even when potential indirect land use 

21 change emissions are considered. It is our belief that 

22 the renewable fuel standard has played an important 

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1 role in creating a stable market environment that 

2 encourages development of and investment in new 

3 biorefinery and agricultural technologies. 

4 Our work has shown that the biofuels industry has 

5 a uniquely high rate of innovation and technology 

6 adoption, which has resulted in steady reductions in 

7 greenhouse gas impacts. Specifically, our research 

8 shows energy use and related greenhouse gas emissions 

9 by biorefineries have been trending downward over the 

10 past decade. 

11 Secondly, emerging agricultural practices and 

12 technologies have been shown to further reduce land 

13 demands and emissions from biofuels production. 

14 Thirdly, recent analyses demonstrate potential 

15 indirect land use change emissions are substantially 

16 lower for ethanol than initially estimated by the U.S. 

17 EPA and others. These reductions in predicted 

18 emissions are primarily due to improved indirect land 

19 use change modeling for a number of factors. 

20 The Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model 

21 estimates that corn ethanol greenhouse gas emissions 

22 are on average 34 percent lower than gasoline. In 
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1 light of the greenhouse gas reduction potential that 

2 can be achieved from using ethanol, we are concerned 

3 about the proposed renewable volume obligations 

4 released by EPA. 

5 EPA's adjustment from the original RVO will likely 

6 leave conventional biofuels short by 1.6 billion 

7 gallons in 2015. This shortage represents increased 

8 greenhouse gas emissions of approximately 4.5 million 

9 tons of carbon dioxide equivalents for that year. 

10 According to the EPA equivalency calculator, this is 

11 comparable to the annual greenhouse gas emissions of 

12 just under 1 million passenger vehicles. 

13 In closing, we believe that the renewable fuel 

14 standard results in substantial greenhouse gas savings 

15 by stimulating innovation at the feedstock production 

16 and biorefinery level. However, the proposed standards 

17 fail to fully realize these greenhouse gas savings. 

18 Thank you. 

19 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. Mr. Wilson? 

20 MR. WILSON: Thank you. Thank you for being here, 

21 and thank you for your endurance. 

22 My name is Charles Wilson. I am president of 

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1 Trenton Agri Products. Trenton is a corn and sorghum2 based fuel-grade ethanol production company that first 

3 commenced operations in 2004 in Trenton, Nebraska. 

4 After the RFS2 was adopted in 2007 to further 

5 expand mandated ethanol consumption, our facility 

6 expanded its production capability likewise and at 

7 considerable cost, as did most other existing 

8 facilities, in addition to the construction of new 

9 facilities to meet the supply requirements as called 

10 for under RFS2. The ethanol industry did its part, 

11 consistent with the legislative intent of expanding 

12 renewable fuels into the U.S. transportation fuel 

13 supply. 

14 Today, grain-based ethanol supply is more than 

15 adequately available to meet the mandated requirements 

16 laid out by Congress. Congress fully understood and 

17 the law clearly contemplates that expanding annual 

18 mandates would require increasing blend levels of 

19 renewable fuels in the U.S. gasoline pool. 

20 There was no provision for stopping the mandate 

21 requirements when a 10 percent blend wall was achieved. 

22 This is a fictitious notion. The only provision for 

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1 reductions of the blend rate or mandated volume is when 

2 renewable fuel supply cannot be reasonably produced and 

3 made available to refiners and marketers of 

4 transportation fuels. 

5 The proposed RVOs for 2014 through '16 are 

6 attempts, it appears, to match the mandates to this 10 

7 percent blend rate. This is not consistent with 

8 congressional intent of the RFS. The RVOs for these 

9 years should be reproposed to match the law, as the 

10 supply from grain-based ethanol is there. 

11 The RIN system was designed to incentivize the 

12 petroleum refiners and downstream companies to build 

13 out infrastructure accommodating increased ethanol 

14 blending all the way to retail distribution. The law 

15 was passed nearly 8 years ago. 

16 Ample time has passed for all the commercial 

17 parties to plan accordingly. For these same parties 

18 today to say we don't have the infrastructure in place 

19 for higher-level ethanol blends simply means they have 

20 been hoping the RFS wouldn't be enforced, as the EPA is 

21 proposing not to do. 

22 And for the last several years, as they, the 

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1 obligated parties, saw the breach of the blend wall 

2 coming, they have been saying the RFS is broken and 

3 other forms of -- and rallying other unrelated parties 

4 into the falsehoods of food fights and other forms of 

5 demagoguery. What they're really messaging is we 

6 refuse to give up any more market share to ethanol, and 

7 accordingly, they will do anything to prevent the U.S. 

8 consumer from having a true choice at the pump. 

9 These obligated parties have temporarily 

10 convinced, I believe, the EPA to buy into this factors 

11 that affect consumption thesis to support the EPA's 

12 current, but wrong proposal. The ethanol production 

13 industry has invested billions to create supply 

14 consistent with the congressional mandate, but the 

15 parties obligated to blend and distribute renewable 

16 fuels downstream haven't made their necessary 

17 investments, and they would be bailed out of their 

18 obligations by the EPA's proposed RVOs. 

19 I have to ask you, the EPA, what are we supposed 

20 to do with our nearly 2 billion gallons a year of 

21 excess capacity? Obviously, the answer is we'll have 

22 to shut it in. 
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1 In concluding, or I should say further, you know, 

2 the White House and the EPA say they want a reduction 

3 of CO2 emissions. These words appear hollow or even 

4 hypocritical with the proposed RVO when, in fact, 

5 reducing the RVO, in fact, increases carbon emissions. 

6 In concluding, please repropose the RVOs to be 

7 consistent with the mandates as proposed -- not as 

8 proposed, but as laid out in the law. 

9 Thank you. 

10 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, sir. Would 

11 you mind handing the microphone to your left? 

12 MR. BRINKER: Thank you. 

13 Good afternoon. My name is Alan Brinker. I am 

14 here as a commercial beef producer, a commercial 

15 poultry producer, and also a commodities manager at 

16 Three Rivers Energy, one of the easternmost ethanol 

17 plants in the United States. We are in southeastern 

18 Ohio. 

19 I came here today with a well-prepared statement, 

20 just like all the rest of the 250 or 350 folks that did 

21 before me, and I guess I'm glad to say they were 

22 equally as eloquent as I hope to be and prepared. But 

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1 they have used every fact, every statement, and every 

2 talking point that I had wished to use. There is 

3 nothing left except my personal story. 

4 And so, I'm going to succumb to that and hope that 

5 it somehow encourages the EPA and this committee to 

6 reconsider their commitment. 

7 My wife and I are blessed to have four children. 

8 Our oldest, Lauren, is at Eastern Kentucky University. 

9 And while Lauren is not an ag student, she has several 

10 ag friends that want to continue in ag and find a 

11 career there. 

12 Whenever their friends find out that Lauren's dad 

13 is a farmer and works at an ethanol plant, they 

14 inevitably come to me and say, hey, we're excited. We 

15 want to do something. We don't see a lot of promise in 

16 agriculture at home. But when we hear that you're in 

17 the ethanol business, we're excited. What can you tell 

18 us about it? And so, the conversation continues. 

19 When we take our son Ian to his next baseball 

20 tournament, of which he's at one today in Cincinnati, 

21 inevitably I meet a consumer of fuel around the hot dog 

22 stand or underneath the roof waiting for the rain to 

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1 pass by, and our conversation inevitably gets to 

2 agriculture. 

3 And when they learn that I'm a farmer and I work 

4 at an ethanol plant, they say, hey, tell us about 

5 ethanol. We don't know a thing about it, but we'd like 

6 to see it at the pump. Tell us more, please. 

7 When we take Leah, our second daughter, to summer 

8 theater, I meet a bunch of parents that say, hey, we're 

9 glad the ethanol plant came to Coshocton. Coshocton 

10 was a dismal place to live, and now it has some glimmer 

11 of hope because of the ethanol plant. 

12 They're glad to see us. They're glad to learn 

13 about ethanol. They're glad to see support for corn, 

14 and they're glad to learn something about this E85 

15 thing that is so foreign to them. 

16 Lastly, when I go to church, there's a man named 

17 Dale Hedrick who's a fellow farmer. Every week after 

18 our service, Dale comes to me and says, Alan, tell me 

19 about the ethanol plant. Tell me what's good. Tell me 

20 what's coming down the line. I am so happy the ethanol 

21 plant came to town. 

22 That's honestly all I have for you. I hope my 

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1 personal statement somehow makes sense to you. I hope 

2 that it carries some merit, and I hope that the EPA 

3 continues with the commitment they originally made. 

4 Thank you for your time. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. And that's a very 

6 eloquent story. Thank you for sharing it. 

7 MR. BRINKER: Thank you. 

8 MR. GRUNDLER: Sir, please? 

9 MR. VAN HOUWELING: Thank you for this 

10 opportunity. My name is Don van Houweling. I am from 

11 a small farm community in central Iowa. 

12 I have as my business the responsibility of 

13 selling John Deere equipment. I also have a business 

14 that puts up wind turbines, and we've got wind turbines 

15 that we've installed all over Iowa for small farm 

16 production. 

17 I'm also in the renewables business in that we 

18 also install solar systems for our hog producers. So I 

19 have very much been interested in renewable fuels and 

20 the impact that renewable fuels have on our country's 

21 economy and its security and its people. 

22 Being in rural Iowa, clearly ethanol is a big 
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1 deal. And as you know, Iowa is the number-one producer 

2 of ethanol. And so, I've seen directly the impact that 

3 the RFS has had on our State and our people and our 

4 economy. 

5 I have seen the impact that it has had on the cost 

6 of gasoline at our pumps today. The fact that we have 

7 a competitive situation, and oil, regular standard oil 

8 folks understand that it's real. 

9 So if I understand correctly, your mandate is to 

10 help us, with you, to protect our environment. And so, 

11 I found -- as I was preparing for these comments, I 

12 just found that interesting that I am asking you to 

13 help us do that in this particular environment. 

14 So I see you having a clear opportunity to, at a 

15 minimum, maintain the mandated use of ethanol since it 

16 scientifically helps to clean America's air. You know, 

17 you've heard all the data, 48, 50 percent, whatever it 

18 is, that compared to non-ethanol gasoline we have this 

19 positive direct greenhouse emission effect. 

20 I also think it's so important that we remember 

21 how big a deal it is for us to be self-sustaining when 

22 it comes to energy from a national security standpoint. 

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1 It's a huge deal, and it seems to me that we've 

2 forgotten how important that's going to be. 

3 So I've talked about the fact that we have a 

4 competitive price at our pump, and we all know that 

5 today the fact that we're paying $3.40 or $3.50 instead 

6 of $4.50 for fuel, it's a big deal and it's 

7 reverberated throughout our whole economy and improved 

8 the state of our nation. 

9 One of the big deals here, and I had a chance to 

10 go to Washington and testify there as well, was that 

11 the oil companies were not interested in making 

12 additional retail investments at their fuel stations. 

13 And one of the things they've tried not to do is make 

14 those investments because it's a big deal. We know 

15 that. 

16 But as was mentioned earlier, they've had 8 years 

17 to get ready for this mandated additional delivery of 

18 higher percentage ethanol products and haven't done it, 

19 with the idea that sooner or later they could convince 

20 somebody that it wasn't a good idea. We don't want to 

21 let them get away with that idea. 

22 And let's be clear. Our farmers have been able to 

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1 create a future for rural America through this added 

2 value of ethanol. 

3 And finally, I'd ask one other question. Why are 

4 we not paying just as much attention to the huge damage 

5 that flare gas is creating off of all the wells that 

6 we've been putting up? I'm thinking about the Bakkens. 

7 In 2012 on Federal land alone, we added 8 million 

8 metric tons of fugitive methane emissions, or the 

9 equivalent of annual emissions of 42 million cars, to 

10 our atmosphere. That's the hearings that I would like 

11 for you to also have, as we think about how we're going 

12 to clean the air in America, sustain our rural 

13 economies, manage the balance of big oil against 

14 ethanol producers, and make this nation a better place 

15 to live. 

16 Thank you for this opportunity. 

17 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you for your testimony and 

18 your work in other parts of the renewable energy 

19 economy. It's very important. Next? 

20 MR. WALSH: All right. Before I begin, I just 

21 want to say I'm known for wearing shorts when the 

22 temperature is 20 below, and I don't know how natives 

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1 here deal with the heat. Ninety-seven is pretty 

2 unbearable. 

3 But anyways, my name is Aaron Walsh. I am the 

4 biggest ethanol fan and a walking ethanol encyclopedia. 

5 You may recall I spoke at the 2013 RFS hearing. 

6 I have driven 700 miles since yesterday afternoon 

7 to speak today and will drive another 700 more 

8 tomorrow. Thanks again for the opportunity to speak 

9 today. 

10 I would like to begin by responding to Mr. Lapp 

11 from Panel 31. Mr. Lapp, instead of blaming the RFS 

12 and ethanol, I invite you to check out diesel prices 

13 and the latest corn prices. They don't support your 

14 argument. 

15 Alcohol belongs in cars, not humans. I just 

16 turned 22 this month and have successfully made it my 

17 first full year of being legal without drinking a drop 

18 of alcohol. Tell that to my dad, who's a wholesale 

19 liquor auditor from the State of Michigan. 

20 (Laughter.) 

21 MR. WALSH: I would also like to throw some 

22 numbers at you. Last June, I purchased my 2012 Dodge 
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1 Charger and have driven 47,000 miles in that time, 

2 proving conclusively that I could never lease a 

3 vehicle. I have burned all of 5 gallons of gasoline, 

4 10 gallons of E15, and 5 gallons of E30. The rest has 

5 been E85. That's nearly 2,300 gallons. 

6 I found an average of 76.5 cents per gallon 

7 savings by using E85. That's $1,760. I spend 10.2 

8 cents per mile versus 13 with regular. 

9 We have some 17-plus million flex-fuel vehicles in 

10 the United States today. If everyone used an average 

11 of 1,500 gallons per year, assuming an average ethanol 

12 content of 78 percent, we would consume 19.89 billion 

13 gallons of ethanol per year. Forget about E10 gasoline 

14 and the ensuing debate over small engines. 

15 I've read the 2007 Energy Independence and 

16 Security Act. Nowhere does it say that we should just 

17 go up to E10 and call it good. Nor -- I'm sorry, I 

18 lost my spot here -- does it specify in what blend of 

19 ethanol it must go to. So the fact of the matter is 

20 there is no excuse for us being unable to use our 

21 ethanol supply. 

22 If I can fill up at 79 cents a gallon, thinking at 

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1 22 I would never see less than $2.99 a gallon without 

2 any discounts, others can, too. We have numerous 

3 chains coming out in support of E85 and other ethanol 

4 blends. They include Thorntons, Kum & Go, and not that 

5 kind, if you know what I mean, Sheetz, the Michigan 

6 native Meyer, Speedway, Colorado's Western Convenience, 

7 and RaceTrac. RaceTrac, while adding ethanol-free at 

8 many of their stores across the southern tier, is 

9 adding E85, too. 

10 Many RaceTrac and RaceWay stores from Texas to 

11 Florida have E85. RaceTrac is doing something many 

12 other retailers are not. We've established that some 

13 retailers go out of their way to make E85 inaccessible 

14 to consumers or price it to fail and then turn around 

15 claiming consumers don't want it. 

16 Expanding on my neighbor's point about failure by 

17 oil folks to invest in ethanol infrastructure, 

18 Midwestern chains Meyer and Speedway specifically have 

19 8 to 12 fueling positions in most of their stores. How 

20 many have E85? Two. Nearly every pump -- oh, I'm 

21 sorry. Typo there. 

22 Nearly every time I go to get fuel, consumers are 

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1 occupying both sides of the pump, purchasing gasoline. 

2 I know that many other drivers would like to purchase 

3 E85 but simply do not have the time to wait for an E85 

4 pump to open when four to six other gasoline-only 

5 dispensers are open. 

6 I have a friend who is a RaceTrac store manager in 

7 Dallas, and he informs me that RaceTrac sells some 

8 20,000 gallons per day of E85 between just their 7 DFW 

9 area stores. How is this possible? Because their 

10 stores have E85 at every pump. 

11 This issue is a major hindrance to E85 use and 

12 ethanol consumption as a whole. But dragging our feet, 

13 refusing to accept the only concrete, dependable, 

14 accessible alternative fuel in the United States is not 

15 an excuse. Ethanol is a gasoline alternative 

16 accessible to those of us who are scraping by. 

17 And to that point, kudos to the dad, by the way, 

18 for helping me pay for my car because I'm currently 

19 unemployed. With gasoline, how am I supposed to know 

20 those additives are in it? How much Marathon STP, BP 

21 Invigorate, Shell Nitro+, Citgo TriClean, et cetera, is 

22 in the fuel? With E85, I know precisely what's in it 

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1 and where it comes from. 

2 What goes into my car matters to me. I care about 

3 my car. I use E85 because for me, personally, it is 

4 tried, true, and tested. No gimmicks, no sad marketing 

5 ploys and -- I'm looking at you Shell with that Nitro+ 

6 stuff -- no fluff. 

7 Whether you like it or not, ethanol is a force to 

8 be reckoned with. If ethanol can survive the 

9 catastrophic droughts of 2008 and 2012, a drought that 

10 at one point covered some 76 percent of the United 

11 States' geographical area, it is a resilient fuel that 

12 we cannot ignore or refuse to accept. 

13 Please consider reversing or at least lessening 

14 the severity of your RFS renewable volume obligations. 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much, Aaron, for 

16 your repeat performance and bringing your encyclopedic 

17 knowledge to us today. 

18 And thank you to all of you for sharing your 

19 testimony. We truly appreciate it. Thank you. 

20 I'd like to invite whoever else wishes to try to 

21 have testimony today. We've kind of gone into an ad 

22 hoc mode. So please come on up and introduce 
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1 yourselves and tell us what's on your mind. 

2 MALE SPEAKER: And if there's anyone else in the 

3 audience that was also wishing to testify, please come 

4 on up. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: The gentleman with the red shirt 

6 may proceed first. 

7 MR. MILLS: Yes, my name is Guy Mills. Today, I'm 

8 here -- I drove from Nebraska since 2:30 this morning 

9 to get here because I felt this is very important. 

10 We have an operation in -- farming operation in 

11 Nebraska that has been there 138 years. My sons are 

12 the sixth-generation farmers on the land. Prior to 

13 that, we farmed in Wisconsin and Ohio. So we've 

14 farmed for a long time. 

15 Today, I would like to address your concerns. I 

16 know there's been a lot of feedback from different 

17 people with negative comments, but I'd like to maybe 

18 elaborate on exactly what the RFS has done. 

19 Years ago, I'd done a paper in college, and I, 

20 oddly enough, researched it for a professor, and it had 

21 to do with John D. Rockefeller and what he talked about 

22 over 100 years ago on how agriculture and the 

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1 production of energy would create new wealth for the 

2 country. 

3 That was in response to then-State senator Loran 

4 Schmit from Nebraska, who coined the term "gasohol." 

5 And at that time, particular time, the professors from 

6 the universities did not like Mr. Schmit, Senator 

7 Schmit. So I wrote this paper. And in the research of 

8 that, I found that information about John D. 

9 Rockefeller. 

10 And I also found out a lot of different things 

11 about how in World War II how Adolf Hitler was running 

12 out of fuel, and at the particular point in time, he 

13 told his German scientists to go out and produce fuel 

14 out of anything and -- or else. And the "or else" was 

15 he would execute their families. So needless to say, 

16 they become highly motivated. 

17 But what they found out is that fuel can be made 

18 essentially from anything from carbon. We talked about 

19 in the ethanol industry about fermentable starches, but 

20 it basically goes back to carbon. I could mow your 

21 lawn, take the grass clippings, and make fuel. It may 

22 not necessarily be efficient. 

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1 That's why we have coal trains that come through 

2 my hometown because, essentially, it's sunlight trapped 

3 in a basic form. And that's where the term the ethanol 

4 come from, and they're all essentially arrangements of 

5 carbon atoms. But with that being said, I'd like to 

6 maybe say exactly what this has done. 

7 Agriculture as an industry is probably defined as 

8 an industry of oversupply and low prices. That's been 

9 characteristic of pretty much agriculture. In the 

10 Great Depression, they brought about the 1933 

11 Agriculture Adjustment Act, and up until 2005, the 

12 Federal Government imposed essentially supply 

13 restrictions. 

14 So it's kind of ironic that people talk about the 

15 food versus fuel debate because even in 1983, for 

16 example, we had a 50 percent set-aside, and that was a 

17 (inaudible) drought. 

18 Back in 1934, this is something that maybe very 

19 few people know, and these are maybe the holes I'd like 

20 to fill in that's something that you haven't heard. 

21 But in my hometown of Ansley, Nebraska, the USDA issued 

22 to Smiley Hays, a 30-aught-6 and a few boxes of shells 

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1 with the express purpose of shooting healthy livestock, 

2 and that include cattle and hawks. 

3 And the reason was because they figured the 

4 rationale was if you had three head, you shot one, the 

5 other two would be worth more money. And that was 

6 drastic measures in drastic times. But the basic 

7 premise has been since that of supply control from 1933 

8 to 2005. 

9 So what has the RFS done? RFS done has changed 

10 the landscape of agriculture. It got into a situation 

11 to where we got away from supply controls. We got away 

12 from do we plant 10 percent set-aside this year? Do we 

13 plant 8 or 6 or 50 as in 1983? 

14 What it done, it put full production into 

15 agriculture. It utilized everything, and it created 

16 wealth. And the magic of the RFS is that it created 

17 wealth without increasing food prices. 

18 Now you probably need to replace that -- repeat 

19 that because the magic of the RFS is that it created 

20 wealth without increasing food prices. And we had many 

21 people that talk about what is done to food. I even 

22 had a grocery store manager in 2012 talk about how his 
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1 grocery store was impacted by the drought. 

2 I said, okay, I said, but most cycles in 

3 agriculture with good prices, you only last about 4 

4 years. I said -- corn was about $8 at that day. I 

5 said, but when corn gets to $4 and it will, I said I 

6 expect your groceries to go to half. 

7 And the other day, I was in his store, and he come 

8 up to me, and he said, you know what? You're right. 

9 Because I made the situation, I said when I go to pay 

10 for my groceries, when corn goes down, if you have $100 

11 on my bill, I want to only pay you $50 since the corn 

12 price went down if there's any correlation. 

13 So at least he was man enough to admit that, and I 

14 challenge you that when you buy your own personal 

15 groceries to go out and look what happened to the 

16 price. So that pretty much dispels the myth right 

17 there. I mean, that's maybe the good thing of these 

18 low prices is that it dispelled that food versus fuel 

19 myth. 

20 Now I would like to address some of the other 

21 things. For example, like every Secretary of 

22 Agriculture from 1933 to 2005 was in the deal there, 

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1 what do we do with low prices? That was the dilemma 

2 every Secretary of Agriculture faced. The RFS changed 

3 that. They finally got profit into agriculture. 

4 Now I'd like to address, you know, maybe some more 

5 of the concerns. For example, you've heard bad 

6 comments not only from the food versus fuel, but from 

7 the cattlemen. And in every drought since we've had it 

8 -- and I'm a cattle producer, too. I'm an ethanol 

9 investor, cattle producer, and farmer. 

10 But every drought that we've had in these years 

11 that we've been in Nebraska, we've had droughts in the 

12 1880s, the 1930s, '50s, '70s, 2000, 2008, and 2012. 

13 And what happened in that is when you have a drought is 

14 that your cow-calf operation, your herd becomes 

15 liquidated. 

16 But what the RFS brought back, and if you look at 

17 Texas, Texas lost 500,000 head of cow-calf operation, 

18 and Nebraska lost 78,000 head, significantly less. 

19 They essentially had the same cattle in both Texas and 

20 Nebraska. And if you look at the precipitation map, 

21 the precipitation map was essentially the same. 

22 And the only deal, if you go county by county, 

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1 where did the cows leave, and that was the counties 

2 that did not have a close proximity to the ethanol 

3 plant. Because the thing about ethanol products is 

4 that you can take and you're in the sand hills of 

5 Nebraska, you can go out and take, mow down your 

6 rushes. 

7 That's a nonpalatable plant that usually grows 

8 around the water edges. Mix that with distillers, and 

9 all of a sudden, you have a product that keeps your 

10 herd intact. And that would be one of the main 

11 benefits that the ethanol industry does was the herd 

12 liquidation. 

13 But I would like to, you know, ask yourself today 

14 why do you think the FFA is here today? Here you have 

15 a bunch of teenagers that are probably interested in 

16 the opposite sex at 15 or 16 or 17 years old. Yet 

17 they're walking around in their blue jackets, and 

18 they're wondering about their future. 

19 And I want you to consider that because the 

20 consequences of poor prices is something. An amazing 

21 statistic that has happened to our family. In that 138 

22 years in Nebraska, we have had four banks fail on us, 

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1 and the Federal Government will not do anything to us 

2 farmers if we go broke. We're expendable. 

3 But it would only be to the banks start to get in 

4 trouble that that'll happen again, and that will be 

5 something that you'll bring about pain upon the younger 

6 generation, on those who are maybe highly leveraged. 

7 So that will be the consequences of your action. 

8 You've listened to the RIN prices, but from the 

9 human side, it'll be the consequences of those young 

10 individuals who tried to buy a tractor, who tried to 

11 buy a farm, and are now will be financially strapped. 

12 That's the consequences of rolling it back. And with 

13 that, I would like you to reconsider it to follow the 

14 law. 

15 Now back to Nebraska, I'd love to drive 90 miles 

16 an hour. But they won't let me because I have to 

17 follow the law, and I wish that you would follow the 

18 law and help rural America survive. 

19 Thank you very much. 

20 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you, sir. And thank you for 

21 getting up so early to provide that testimony. It 

22 certainly is worth it. Thank you. 
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1 Next? 

2 MR. MADDEN: Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you 

3 for being here and taking this testimony. 

4 My name is Arthur Madden. I am the chief 

5 financial officer of Mid-Missouri Energy. It is an 

6 ethanol plant in Missouri approximately, oh, a mile -- 

7 and hour and a half away from here. And I deal with 

8 the bottom line essentially. That's what I do. 

9 And I've sat here through this hearing, and 

10 throughout the entire thing, I've heard one primary 

11 explanation given of each and every person that's 

12 testified, whether they're for or against. And it is 

13 the bottom line. That bottom line is jobs. 

14 Plain and simple, it's jobs. RFS has been a huge, 

15 huge success in providing jobs throughout the United 

16 States. 

17 Think of building the ethanol plants, 

18 entrepreneurship, American ingenuity putting these 

19 together. The farmers providing the product that we 

20 turn into ethanol, we turn into distillers grains. We 

21 turn into a renewable product the CO2, which not only 

22 is captured, but also it's recaptured and put into soda 

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1 bottles, processing of meats, cleaning of industrial 

2 tools, and so forth. 

3 The other thing is think of all the jobs that an 

4 ethanol plant supports. You know, the gentleman just 

5 gave you an example, his own story a few minutes ago. 

6 Well, when I was in college, my specialty was to study 

7 fuel prices. And that time, it was called oil price 

8 shocks on the aggregate economy. 

9 And I saw a little ad talking about an ethanol 

10 plant. I had no idea what ethanol was. I got an 

11 amazing education in economics. What we have is a tiny 

12 little store in our town. It's a small little town, 

13 maybe 200 and some odd people. That's provided you 

14 count the chickens and the cows as well. 

15 Now this little store used to employ one person, 

16 and she barely kept it going. Now think about all the 

17 drivers that come through that little town to pick up 

18 distillers grains. Think of all the drivers that come 

19 through that little town to pick up ethanol. Think of 

20 all the drivers that come through that little town to 

21 deliver grain. 

22 She's now employing two people. She could keep 

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1 that store open much later, but I'm sorry, there's just 

2 so many hours you can operate, and the store is kind of 

3 tiny as it is. Multiply that by all these ethanol 

4 plants around the country, you have the exact same 

5 success story. 

6 And I'm urging you not to change the RFS because 

7 the bottom line, the bottom line of the RFS is that 

8 success story. It's a success story for these farmers. 

9 It's a success story for these small towns. It's a 

10 success story for all these drivers, the infrastructure 

11 that's put into that. 

12 And our little company alone, there were two, two 

13 companies that were started to deliver ethanol, to 

14 drive the trucks. Think of all the drivers we gave 

15 jobs to. It's beyond simply the ethanol plant itself. 

16 There were companies started to deliver distiller 

17 grains. Think of all the jobs that were started by a 

18 tiny, little ethanol plant. 

19 So I urge you gentlemen to stick to your guns. 

20 Stick to the mandate that you have. Keep the RFS 

21 going, for it is a success. The bottom line is jobs. 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. 

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1 MR. KOLSRUD: And I think I'm the last one. Is 

2 that possible? 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: It is. It is possible. 

4 MR. KOLSRUD: We'll see. 

5 MR. GRUNDLER: It is possible. Take your time. 

6 MR. KOLSRUD: Well, thank you. 

7 (Laughter.) 

8 MR. KOLSRUD: We're ahead of schedule. I'm David 

9 Kolsrud. I'm a farmer from South Dakota, and I'm also 

10 an investor in several ethanol plants or helped start 

11 them. 

12 I'm also on an advisory council, University of 

13 Minnesota, bioproducts and bioengineering group and 

14 working with a lot of students on bioproducts and the 

15 future, what we can do in the future with a lot of our 

16 different avenues. 

17 First, I would like to thank you for the 

18 opportunity to testify today. I'm advocating to 

19 maintain the current RVOs, as required in part of the 

20 RFS. My testimony is going to be somewhat different 

21 since I like to identify on key drivers and how they 

22 grow in industry in 5 to 10 years in the future. 
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1 Being a pioneer in the ethanol industry for the 

2 last 20 years, I've seen many drivers in how the 

3 ethanol responded to the solutions. In the '70s, there 

4 was an OPEC oil embargo, and we had long lines and high 

5 fuel prices. Well, the result was ethanol as a motor 

6 fuel was created and started. 

7 That was followed by a Federal legislation that 

8 banned lead in gasoline. Well, there's many said that 

9 engines couldn't run without lead. The ethanol 

10 industry responded, and they do run. 

11 1990, the passage of the Clean Air Amendment was 

12 passed to reduce hazardous levels of carbon monoxide to 

13 help reduce smog in some of our cities. Ethanol 

14 responded, and we had a solution. 

15 In the '80s, we had a farm crisis. We needed to 

16 create economic development. Ethanol responded. We 

17 built plants. We built farmer-owned plants. We took 

18 ownership of our own future, something that was never 

19 done before. 

20 We needed to create a hedge against low corn 

21 prices, and the ethanol industry did that. If corn is 

22 high, we make money. That's what we wanted. If corn 

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1 is low, we make it off the ethanol plant. 

2 We created a perfect hedge against high fuel 

3 prices. Same thing with the ethanol plant. If fuel is 

4 high, farmers are still happy. If they've invested in 

5 a plant, then it offsets a lot of their other costs. 

6 We created a high-octane additive fuel to replace 

7 the carcinogen that was found in MTBE. We had a 

8 problem with carcinogens in our fuel. Ethanol 

9 responded. 

10 We needed to create a high-protein livestock feed 

11 because of our dependence on livestock. Ethanol 

12 responded. 

13 These are a few of the key drivers in the past, 

14 but one of the big ones that lies ahead, and that is 

15 addressing climate change. We need these renewable 

16 volume obligations to drive innovation. Climate change 

17 is real, and being a farmer, I see the effects of it 

18 every day. 

19 With that said, how do we aggressively address 

20 this problem? In my opinion, one of the best ways is 

21 to convert CO2 to fuels and fuels like ethanol. 

22 There is a company currently working on this and 

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1 doing it called Joule. They've got a Boston-based 

2 technology, and they've got a research farm in New 

3 Mexico. But in order for companies like Joule to 

4 attract investors, we need a long-term stable policy 

5 like those enacted in the 2005 RFS. 

6 Hopefully, in my lifetime, I can see similar 

7 reversals of climate change brought about by human 

8 activities from the overuse of fossil fuels. And in my 

9 lifetime, I hope we say creating a solution to climate 

10 change, yes, ethanol responded. 

11 Thank you. 

12 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you so much. It's really a 

13 privilege to listen to all of you, particularly those 

14 of you who come here who aren't paid to talk to us and 

15 who have taken time out of what you do ordinarily to 

16 earn a living and feed your families to come talk to 

17 your Government. So thank you again. It really 

18 matters. 

19 MALE SPEAKER: If you want to come to Nebraska, 

20 we'd certainly invite you there. You could see an 

21 ethanol plant, how the cow-calf operation works for a 

22 feedlot, how ethanol has changed America. 

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1 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you. I had that opportunity 

2 yesterday to see one up close and personal and what 

3 it's done to become more efficient. It's very 

4 interesting. 

5 So what we're going to do now is to go into a 

6 recess. We're not adjourning in case other people come 

7 and want to provide testimony. So we'll be in recess 

8 to see if more people want to provide testimony. 

9 The panel next door has adjourned, but we're going 

10 to keep this hearing open to see if there are any other 

11 people that would like to come by. But we'll be in 

12 recess for now. 

13 Thank you again. 

14 (Recess.) 

15 MR. GRUNDLER: Are you all set? Okay. Go ahead, 

16 Scott. 

17 MR. ZAREMBA: Good afternoon, or evening, as we're 

18 getting to. My name is Scott Zaremba. I'm the owner 

19 of Zarco USA, and I'm in Lawrence, Kansas. I have the 

20 distinction of being the first retailer to bring E15 to 

21 market in July of 2012. 

22 I've been in the refined petroleum business my 
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1 entire life. I'm a second-generation retailer. And 

2 with that, I walked through '73 during our oil embargo, 

3 '91, the Gulf War, and the collapse of the economy in 

4 '07. And all of those things led me in '08 to build 

5 one of the first blending retail facilities in the 

6 United States. 

7 With that, we evolved to being the first one to 

8 bring E15, and I've been working on that ever since. 

9 And so, since July of 2012, I've spoken to numerous 

10 entities and people and companies throughout the U.S. 

11 about our ability to have higher blends of biodiesel 

12 and of ethanol both. You know, we have biodiesel 

13 blending and we have ethanol blending at retail, using 

14 existing dispensers that we have to blend that. 

15 And so, we have the ability to do it. We're doing 

16 it and I've been doing it for 8 years now, and I've 

17 been selling E15 since July of 2012. And so, the only 

18 thing that I have that really bothers me today about 

19 where we are is I'm not selling E15 today to all 

20 vehicles because of the Reid vapor issue in E10. 

21 With that, you know, I could still be selling E15 

22 to all consumers if we had a level playing field 

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1 between unleaded and E15. And so, as the direct 

2 retailer that is in the business and has been selling 

3 it as long as anyone, that's my only real issue that we 

4 have. 

5 As far as equipment and what we can put in place 

6 and what we can do, you know, the equipment 

7 manufacturers that I have have certified their 

8 equipment for E15 for everything that they've ever 

9 produced, equipment that I have. And so, we have the 

10 ability to do it. 

11 You know, probably some of you have read some of 

12 the things that have happened to me over time with the 

13 oil companies and some of the rules that they've put in 

14 place on me after the fact, and so a lot of the after 

15 the fact things have caused the issues and the reason 

16 that we are where we are today. Nobody -- because I 

17 was the first one, we didn't have rules in place, and 

18 they didn't even know they were possible to do the 

19 things that we did. And so, those evolved over time 

20 and have led us to today. 

21 And so, we really have the ability to do it. I've 

22 been doing it. I can show everybody what we've done 

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1 and how we've done it, and it is not something that 

2 takes a great deal of skill or knowledge to do. It 

3 just takes the ability to move forward with it and 

4 having the rules set in place so we can continue to 

5 move forward, and it's about that simple for us. 

6 You know, again, we've been doing it a long time. 

7 We continue to do it. We've never had any issues with 

8 it. I've never had any customer issues with it. 

9 There's just been a lot of things that have been 

10 spun out over time, and a lot of people have said a lot 

11 of things that aren't true. And I can tell you that it 

12 is simple, easy, and we've been doing it. If I can do 

13 it, anyone can do it. 

14 With that, the choices that we have in life are 

15 all the things that I look for, and I look for us to 

16 have the ability to be able to be energy independent. 

17 And ever since '73 during the oil embargo, I felt that 

18 we needed to do something different for us in the 

19 Midwest. You know, there was that ability to blend. 

20 We created it. We did it. We can do it, and we 

21 can do it across the country. 

22 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you very much. All right. 

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1 Thanks for coming out. 

2 (Pause.) 

3 MR. GRUNDLER: Thank you all for coming and 

4 providing your testimony today. I'd like to officially 

5 adjourn this public hearing. Have a safe trip home. 

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307:16

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biofuels 14:17

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42:9,16 44:11

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298:12,17,20

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303:3 304:3

307:1,3,5,10

316:8 317:4,13

318:6

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150:7

biomass 11:4,13

25:11 30:16

81:7,18 231:5

231:10 307:8

biomassbased

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23:4,7,9 25:9

26:3,12,15

32:5 37:21

49:6 51:5,20

54:13,17

245:21

bioproducts

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biorefineries

50:11 317:9

biorefinery 50:8

52:10,22 54:4

317:3 318:16

biorefining

199:11

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biostocks 81:17

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29:18 164:21

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birds 110:21

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147:8,11,12

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301:11

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111:13 241:13

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211:4 212:22

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238:11 242:22

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250:13 254:21

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288:6,20 302:5

302:7,12,17

303:4 306:15

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321:1,15

330:18 350:14

352:19

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117:8 152:16

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313:19

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186:1,13,19

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314:11

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19:18 20:5,22

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276:10

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139:18

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193:12

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163:20

bubble 125:14

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81:20

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coleridge 275:18

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competition

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continuous

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contractual

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73:18,21,21

74:2,5,7,16,16

79:5 81:6,18

84:15 87:12

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308:13

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207:16,21

213:22 312:5

312:15

feeling 27:21

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166:9

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351:17

firstgeneration

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297:18

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267:20

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194:21

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102:14

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249:9

fleet 82:13

189:13 214:15

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135:10,14

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270:12

flexfuel 125:9

126:19 127:6

131:11,15

192:8 314:8

330:9

flexibility 23:3

223:5

flexible 168:14

flexiblefuel

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flies 109:17

165:9

floor 94:4

florida 331:11

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flourishing

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flu 66:1

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79:15

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117:17 121:20

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341:17,17

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233:17 241:17

253:2 254:8

269:5 300:16

303:18 313:8

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food 25:17,21

28:10 44:10,11

58:19 69:1

87:11,13 122:1

145:13 146:14

162:15 201:21

216:21 228:9

244:20 245:19

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267:8 268:6

274:11 281:15

282:2 292:2

295:6,15

296:13 301:8,9

301:10,13

304:1,4 321:4

336:15 337:17

337:20,21

338:18 339:6

foodgrade 73:21

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284:8

forage 283:20

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104:5

fourthgenerat...

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200:14

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140:9

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332:6

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122:12

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11:12 12:5,7

12:22 13:6

14:2,9,22

15:21 18:16

20:14 21:2,10

21:19 22:21

27:10 31:4

34:17,20,21

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87:1,8,11,17

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119:15 120:14

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121:13,17

122:13,16

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126:16 129:3

129:22 134:10

135:6,9,9,21

136:12,14,16

137:15,18

138:10 139:3

140:3 141:1

143:8 145:13

148:10,13,21

152:3 154:14

154:21 157:6

161:18 162:15

164:2,9 168:7

168:17 169:21

171:2 173:3,4

173:22 174:13

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182:12 184:1,8

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185:16,18,19

185:21,22

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186:18 187:3

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113:18

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292:1 293:18

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g 10:1

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161:6 186:8,11

186:12 221:16

242:13 245:17

245:18 250:17

252:19 253:13

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270:11 330:6
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gallonbygallon

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gallons 12:18

13:18 15:1,9

15:12 19:12

20:16 22:18

23:10 24:13,14

25:7,9,12,13

31:18 32:4,4,7

32:7,9,10,11

32:12,13 34:19

34:21 35:13,18

37:5,17 39:3,3

39:5 40:5 44:1

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47:14,20 48:1

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306:12

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gayler 216:12

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305:14

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36:4 122:5

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305:15

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202:9

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194:22 206:16

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343:4

gentlemen

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333:11

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ghgrelated

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273:13 294:10

296:1 321:6

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176:1 199:16

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226:17,21

239:15 282:12

299:7,12 303:3

342:11

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142:18 272:21

giving 18:9

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92:11 117:3

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216:3 263:9,18

269:17 312:3

glad 25:6 322:21

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324:14

glendening 7:3

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17plus 330:9

18 13:19 87:2

194:14 225:1

310:7

180 124:19

184 270:20

1880s 339:12

1899 178:13
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1934 336:18

1960 59:12

1970 150:17

1970s 80:17

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279:12

1973 59:4 313:6

1976 154:8

1979 40:4 154:8

1980 62:18

156:2 227:10

1980s 59:20

60:12 84:19

160:6 166:1

214:21 294:4

1981 60:4

1983 336:15

337:13

1988 61:2

1989 85:12

1990 168:3

346:11

1990s 53:1

1994 220:12

1996 53:7 61:7

1999 165:19

1pound 42:7,10

61:21 101:20

242:16 249:13

250:3 279:3

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2 19:12 25:12,13

31:17 32:6,7,9

32:10 39:2,3,5

39:5 40:7

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165:21 169:9

200:19 339:12

2001 134:3

255:21 256:6

2003 145:16

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2004 280:12

319:3

2005 61:17

85:16 93:10

102:15 141:6

231:21 265:17

273:16 287:20

291:13 292:5

294:10 336:11

337:8 338:22

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262:10

2007 52:15

61:17 74:16

115:20 118:5

166:2 169:21

198:15,21

205:18 217:15

247:1 249:4

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273:17 306:5

319:4 330:15

2008 64:20

117:9 124:15

126:6 138:14

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267:10 333:9

339:12

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213:11 271:8

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2010 23:16

65:19 85:12

126:7 168:13

226:4 239:3

2011 184:4

188:22 200:19

221:2 225:10

267:10 284:15

2012 12:16 54:7

65:1 68:7

87:10 112:8

183:19 189:10

212:20 213:12

258:21 296:8

308:17 328:7

329:22 333:9

337:22 339:12

349:21 350:9

350:17

2013 12:15

23:11,16,21

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54:7 68:10

69:15 78:22

79:6,14 83:18

184:10 221:2

226:6 233:12

240:20 252:21

254:8 280:11

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14:18 15:7

21:13 23:5,9

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225:22 226:16

227:21 234:1

252:19 254:11

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301:15,21

304:18 305:11

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19:6 23:5,9

32:12 35:9,13

57:12 128:1

174:2 182:3

205:17 225:18

229:11 234:3

252:17 254:4

301:15,21

303:1,8 304:7

304:18 316:6

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19:7,9,13

21:13 23:5,10

23:17,19 25:9

25:13 32:2,9

33:17 35:5,9

37:12 39:3,5

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132:11 173:22

174:2,5 177:8

182:3,13,21

189:5 216:9

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301:17 302:2,4

302:9,19,22

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15:12 25:10,13

32:2,10 37:12

39:4,6 45:22

52:2 54:13

216:9 226:13

228:22

2020 37:18

228:3 229:5,17

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117:10 118:9

2025 224:4,21

2050 221:22,22

208 222:3

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21 6:16 60:18

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21st 221:20

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