In the 

United States Court of Appeals 

For the Seventh Circuit ____________________ 

No. 21-2683 

JANAY E. GARRICK, 

ě-Appellee, 

v.

MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, 

Defendant-Appellant. 

____________________ 

Appeal from the United States District Court for the 

Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division. 

No. 18-cv-573 — John F. Kness, Judge. 

____________________ 

ARGUED DECEMBER 5, 2023 — DECIDED MARCH 18, 2024 

____________________ 

Before HAMILTON, BRENNAN, and ST. EVE, Circuit Judges. 

ST. EVE, Circuit Judge. For three years, Janay Garrick taught 

communications courses at Moody Bible Institute. When 

¢ȱ ęȱ ǰȱ ȱ ǰ alleging sex discrimination and 

other Title VII violations. Moody moved to dismiss Garrick’s 

Second Amended Complaint, claiming that her suit was 

barred by Title VII’s religious exemptions and the First 

Amendment doctrine of church autonomy. When the district 

court denied the motion in part, Moody appealed that 
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ę order. Because  ȱęȱȱthe district court’s order 

is not subject to interlocutory review under the collateral order doctrine, we dismiss the appeal for lack of jurisdiction. 

I. Background 

A. Factual Background 

Appellant Moody Bible Institute (“Moody”) seeks review 

of the district court’s denial of a motion to dismiss, so we 

credit facts pled in the Second Amended Complaint and construe all disputes in favor of Garrick. Demkovich v. St. Andrew 

the Apostle Parish, Calumet City, 3 F.4th 968, 973 n.2 (7th Cir. 

2021) (en banc). 

1. The Parties 

Located in Chicago, Illinois, Moody is a religious institution of higher education and ȱȱęȱǯȱIt 

ěȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ

both secular and religious subjects. Among other doctrinal 

commitments, Moody espouses complementarianism, which 

ȱęȱ ȱ ȱȱ ȱ ȱ¢ȱȱȱȱȱ

men only, though women may serve in all other ministry 

roles. Moody requires all faculty to subscribe to its core beliefs, including complementarianism, and to sign annual reafęȱȱthose beliefs. 

In 2014, Moody hired Janay Garrick as a non-tenure instructor in the communications program on an annual contract. In contrast to Moody’s complementarian teachings, 

Garrick ęȱȱȱȱȱȱȱȬ

lieves that ęȱȱȱȱȱȱȱȬ

tain roles on the basis of gender. In her interview, Garrick told 

Moody that she held to egalitarian beliefs and rejected complementarianism. Moody nevertheless hired her and twice 
No. 21-2683 3 

renewed her teaching contract, although it did ask her to sign 

its doctrinal statement and ĜȱȱȬ

ism. Moody also required Garrick to remove from her resume 

the fact that she was an ordained minister. 

2. Garrick’s Employment 

Garrick claims that during her employment, other faculty 

members subjected her to hostile treatment due to her gender, 

treatment she raised with administrators who ignored or dismissed those complaints. She complained, for example, that 

male colleagues ignored, avoided, and ridiculed her; in response, the vice president of human resources suggested Garrick ȱȱȱȱȱȱȱ¢ȱĜȱȱȱ¢ȱ

unpleasant interactions. 

Garrick alleges that Moody never rebuked or sidelined 

men who publicly disagreed with its culture of sexism as it 

did her. One incident arose when Garrick co-designed and 

presented a plan for a more inclusive environment in response to the anti-LGBTQ+ atmosphere at Moody. After that 

presentation, a supervisor criticized Garrick ȱ ȃĚȬ

tory rhetoric” and told her she must “learn how to speak 

around here.” In contrast, the male co-presenter was never 

reprimanded or punished. 

Garrick also alleges disparate treatment in her teaching 

obligations and opportunities. She applied for a reduced 

teaching load while completing a terminal degree in her 

ę—an accommodation male faculty had received—but 

Moody denied Garrick’s application. She was also asked to 

ȱęȱ ȱȱǰȱȱ ȱMoody 

did not similarly require of new non-tenure male hires. In 

2016, when she applied for a tenure-track assistant-professor 
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position ȱ ȱȱ ȱ¢ȱęǰȱȱȬ

ȱȱȱȱȱ¢ȱ¢ȱ£ȱȬ

nied her application within an hour of its submission, explaining that Garrick needed to ȃȱȱęȱ ȱ ȱȬ

sion.” Yet Garrick points out that her performance reviews 

consistently demonstrated that she was an excellent, engaging, enthusiastic instructor. 

In 2017, Moody’s reactions to Garrick’s teaching performance began to change. She was chastised for missing an already-cancelled meeting in March. Also in March, she re-

ȱ ȱ ęȱ ȱ ȱ  , three months 

after a performance review crediting her with “excellent service.” When Garrick inquired into the basis for the negative 

review, Terry Strandt, the Chair of the Music and Media Arts 

Division, explained that it was a product of administrators’ 

evaluations, including Davidhizar’s, and “peer reviews.” 

Garrick alleges that Moody never subjected male colleagues 

to peer reviews. When she asked to see those reviews, Davidhizar told Garrick this negative review was based on the 

assessment of Strandt himself. Eventually, after Garrick repeatedly asked about the reasons for her negative performance review, Moody raised her score—instead of (Garrick 

claims) providing her with a “straight answer” about the original review. 

3. Garrick’s Termination 

In April 2017, Davidhizar and the vice president of human 

resources raised the problematic nature of Garrick’s egalitarian views with her ȱȱęȱǯȱLater that month, Moody 

informed Garrick that it would not renew her contract. Her 

termination Ĵȱ ¡ȱ ȱ 	Ȃȱ -alignment 

 ȱ¢Ȃȱȱȱȱȱȱȱęȱȱ
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the school. After completing her spring semester teaching assignments, she would receive pay for the rest of the year as a 

nonteaching faculty member. When Garrick discussed her 

termination with students and student-reporters, however, 

Moody immediately ę Garrick and expelled her from cam-

ǯȱȱȱȱ	ȱęȱ ȱǯȱ

B. Procedural Background 

1. EEOC Charge 

	ȱęȱȱȱȱȱ¢ȱŘŖŗŞ, alleging 

various Title VII violations including retaliation and discrimination on the basis of sex and religion. The complaint stated 

that she ȃ ȱ Ĝ¢ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ǽǾȱ ǰȱ

ǽǾȱ ȱ ȱ ¢ǰȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ǽǾȱ

ȱȱ ǽǾȱ ȱ ȱȱ ǽǾȱȱ

on behalf of female students who were discriminated 

against.” The EEOC issued GarrȱȱȱȱȱĴȱȱȬ

tember 24, 2018. 

2. First Amended Complaint 

ȱȱǰȱ	ȱęȱ First Amended Complaint alleging discrimination on the basis of gender and religion.1 The complaint claimed that Moody’s stated reason for 

ęȱ—religious disagreement—“was pretext for its true 

motives—discrimination and retaliation.” Ultimately, the 

ȱ ȱ 	Ȃȱ ęȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ Ȭ

trine, including Garrick’s advocacy on campus for women ap-

¢ȱȱȱȱ¢ȱ. 

1 Although Garrick initially retained counsel, ȱĴ¢ȱ  ȱ

before 	ȱęȱ First Amended Complaint. 
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Moody moved to dismiss Garrick’s complaint, arguing 

that it was protected by the ministerial exception, the church 

autonomy doctrine, and Title VII’s religious exemptions. 

The district court2 granted Moody’s motion to dismiss, 

ęȱ 	Ȃȱ claims of discrimination due to disagreements over complementarianism barred by Title VII’s religious exemptions and the First Amendment doctrine of 

church autonomy. Garrick v. Moody Bible Inst., 412 F. Supp. 3d 

859, 869–72 (N.D. Ill. 2019) (Garrick I).3 It noted, however, that 

it would permit Garrick to amend those claims because “there 

are strains of Garrick’s Title VII claims that may not be tied to 

Moody’s religious beliefs,” including inconsistent treatment 

of male and female faculty members. Id. at 872. 

3. Second Amended Complaint 

Still representing herself, Garrick took the district court’s 

invitation and ęȱher Second Amended Complaint alleging 

a hostile work environment, retaliation, and discrimination 

and disparate treatment based on sex. Moody again moved to 

dismiss Garrick’s complaint, this time relying on only two 

2 This case was originally assigned to Judge John Z. Lee, who ruled on 

both motions to dismiss. When Judge Lee was appointed to the Seventh 

Circuit, the case was reassigned to Judge John F. Kness. 

3 Although Title VII and the church autonomy doctrine protected 

Moody from Garrick’s claims of discrimination, the ministerial exception 

did not. The district court found that further factual development would 

be necessary to determine whether the ministerial exception applied. Garrick I, 412 F. Supp. 3d at 870–71. The district court also dismissed Title IX 

and breach-of-contract claims, which Garrick did not replead or raise on 

appeal. Id. at 872–73. 
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defenses: the church autonomy doctrine and Title VII’s religious exemptions.4

The district court dismissed Garrick’s hostile work envi-

ȱȱ ȱǰȱęȱ ȱ	ȱ ȱ ȱ

state a claim. Garrick v. Moody Bible Inst., 494 F. Supp. 3d 570, 

579 (N.D. Ill. 2020) (Garrick II). Despite that, it denied Moody’s 

motion to dismiss the discrimination, disparate treatment, 

and retaliation claims, rejecting Moody’s argument that it was 

immune from such employment suits under Title VII and the 

First Amendment. Id. at 576–79. 

The district court reasoned that while Title VII’s religious 

exemptions and the church autonomy doctrine apply to religious discrimination, those defenses do not bar claims of 

other forms of discrimination, including claims that religious 

ęȱfor employment decisions are mere pretext. Id.

at 576–79. The court explained that “Garrick’s complaint does 

not imperil religious autonomy” because she “may identify 

disparaging comments Moody’s supervisors made about 

women or spotlight male instructors who disagreed with 

Moody’s complementarian doctrine yet retained their positions.” Id. at 577ǯȱȱȱȱȃ ȱǽ¢Ȃȱ

ǾȱǽǾȱȱȱȱȱęȱ	ǰȄȱthe 

court “need only determine (and the parties will need only 

investigate during discovery) whether Moody terminated her 

because of its religious beliefs or whether its invocation of its 

religious beliefs was, in fact, a cover to discriminate against 

Garrick because of her gender.” Id.

4 Moody did not reassert the ministerial-exception defense, nor has it 

raised the defense on appeal.
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Further emphasizing the distance between Garrick’s 

claims and questions of doctrine, the court also pointed out 

that Moody’s own representation of complementarianism is 

ȱȱȃ¡ǽǾȱ ȱȱȱas ministersǰȄȱȱȃǽǾȱ

does not follow that Moody’s faith requires unequal treatment of women who work in secular roles.” Id. at 578. The district court found that this distinction protected Garrick’s 

claims from dismissal because, at least at this point in the litigation, the court need not wade into religious doctrine. Id. 

4. Motion to Reconsider and Interlocutory Appeal 

¢ȱ ȱȱ ȱ ȱ ȱęȱ

for interlocutory appeal under 28 U.S.C. § 1292(b), both of 

which the district court denied. As to reconsideration, because Garrick’s Second Amended Complaint argued that 

¢Ȃȱȱęȱ ȱ¡ǰȱȱȱȬ

tinguished between claims of religious discrimination (which 

it would dismiss as barred by Title VII’s religious exemptions 

and First Amendment principles of church autonomy) and 

claȱȱ¡ȱȱęs papered over actual reasons including gender discrimination. 

As for the interlocutory appeal, the district court denied 

Moody’s request because it failed to present “substantial 

ȱȱěȱȱȄ as required by § 1292(b) and 

could not identify a single case holding that Title VII or the 

religious-autonomy doctrine confers total immunity from 

suit. 

Moody now asks this court to consider its appeal under 

the collateral order doctrine on the grounds that the doctrine 
No. 21-2683 9 

of church autonomy guarantees immunity from judicial en-

ȱȱȱĴǯ5

II. Analysis 

We must decide whether we have jurisdiction to hear 

Moody’s interlocutory appeal. 28 U.S.C. § 1291 limits our ju-

ȱȱȱȱȃęȱȱȱȱȱȱȱȱ

United States.” An interlocutory order, which does not conclude all issues in a case, is not usually immediately appealable. Dupree v. Younger, 598 U.S. 729, 734 (2023). 

Because the denial of a motion to dismiss is an interlocutory order and ȱȱęȱȱȱȱȱȱ

§ 1291, see Harer v. Casey, 962 F.3d 299, 305 (7th Cir. 2020), we 

ęȱȱȱȱȱȱMoody’s appeal. Our jurisdiction here depends on the interplay between the collateral order doctrine and First Amendment principles of church 

autonomy. 

The collateral ȱȱȱȱ¡ȱȱȱęȱ

ȱǯȱȱȱȃȱę¢—and thus immediate appealability—on a small category of interlocutory 

orders ‘too important to be denied review and too independent of the cause itself to require that appellate consideration 

be deferred until the whole case is adjudicated.’” Herx v. Diocese of Fort Wayne–South Bend, Inc., 772 F.3d 1085, 1088 (7th Cir. 

2014) (quoting ȱ ǯȱęȱ ǯȱ ȱǯ, 337 U.S. 

541, 546 (1949)). 

5 Although Moody asserts a defense based on Title VII’s religious exemptions, it does not argue that those statutory exemptions guarantee immediate interlocutory review under the collateral order doctrine. 
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To qualify for interlocutory appeal as a collateral order, an 

order must satisfy three conditions, or so-called Cohen factors: 

(1) the order must be conclusive; (2) it must “resolve important questions separate from the merits”; and (3) it must 

ȱ ȃě¢ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱęȱ Ȭ

ment in the underlying action.” Swint v. Chambers Cnty. 

Comm’n, 514 U.S. 35, 42 (1995) (citing Cohen, 337 U.S. at 546); 

see also Herx, 772 F.3d at 1088–89. These requirements are 

“stringent.” Digit. Equip. Corp. v. Desktop Direct, Inc., 511 U.S. 

863, 868 (1994). 

The Supreme Court has repeatedly emphasized that the 

collateral order doctrine is limited and narrow. Mohawk Indus., Inc. v. Carpenter, 558 U.S. 100, 106–07 (2009); Will v. Hallock, 546 U.S. 345, 350 (2006); Digit. Equip., 511 U.S. at 868. Its 

instructions are emphaticDZȱ ȃǽǾȱȱȱ ȱ ȱȱ

said; although the Court has been asked many times to expand the ‘small class’ of collaterally appealable orders, we 

have instead kept it narrow and selective in its membership.” 

Will, 546 U.S. at 350. 

The Court further has explained that its warnings against 

expansion of the collateral order doctrine derive from Congress’s clear intent that any expansion to the list of orders con-

ȱȃęȄȱȱȱȱȱ ȱȱȱ

through the rule-making process, not by court decision. Swint, 

514 U.S. at 48. Congress has authorized the Court to “pre-

ȱǰȱȱȱ ȱ ǽthe Rules Enabling ActǾǰȱ ȱ

provide for an appeal of an interlocutory decision to the 

courts of appeals that is not otherwise provided for under 

ǽȗ ŗŘşŘǾǯȄȱŘŞȱǯǯǯȱ§ 1292(e); see also Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 113–

14. “Congress’s designation of the rulemaking process as the 

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and when an interlocutory order is appealable warrants the 

Judiciary’s full respect.” Swint, 514 U.S. at 48; see also Microsoft 

Corp. v. Baker, 582 U.S. 23, 39 (2017) (noting that expansions to 

the collateral order doctrine “are to come from rulemaking, 

however, not judicial decisions in particular controversies or 

inventive litigation ploys”). We lack the authority to expand 

our power ȱȱȱęȱȱȱ¢ȱȬ

gress. Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 113–14; see also id. at 118–19 

(Thomas, J., concurring in part) (“Congress, which holds the 

constitutional reins in this area, has determined that such 

ȱȱǽȱȱȱ ȱȱȱȬ

¢ȱǾ ȱĴȱȱȱȱǽȱȬ

Ǿȱdzǯȱȱȱȱȱȱȱȱǰȱ

deed as well as in word.”). 

To determine whether an appeal is part of that “small 

class” and subject to review under the collateral order doctrine, we do not engage in a case-by-case inquiry. See Herx, 

772 F.3d at 1089. Instead, our inquiry into the conditions for 

collateral-order review must assess “categories of orders rather than individual orders.” Johnson v. Jones, 515 U.S. 304, 315 

(1995); see also Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 107 (“In making this determination, we do not engage in an individualized jurisdictional inquiry. Rather, our focus is on the entire category to 

which a claim belongs.” (internal quotations and citations 

ĴǼǼǯȱ

Accordingly, certain categories of claims or orders are subject to interlocutory review under the collateral order doctrine, while others are not. Those falling within the doctrine 

include orders denying a criminal defendant’s claim of double jeopardy, Abney v. United States, 431 U.S. 651, 657 (1977), 

ȱ¢ȱȱȱĜȂȱȱȱȱ¢ǰȱ
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¡ȱǯȱĵ, 457 U.S. 731, 742 (1982), a state’s claim of 

Eleventh Amendment immunity, P.R. Aqueduct & Sewer Auth. 

v. Metcalf & Eddy, Inc., 506 U.S. 139, 144–45 (1993), and a foreign government’s claim of sovereign immunity, Abelesz v. 

Magyar Nemzeti Bank, 692 F.3d 661, 667 (7th Cir. 2012). Denials 

ȱ ęȱ ¢ǰȱ ǰȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ interlocutory review, so long as the denial is based purely on questions of law 

and not disputes of fact. Johnson, 515 U.S. at 317. 

A. The Collateral Order Doctrine and Church Autonomy 

The doctrine of church autonomy derives from the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment. Korte v. Sebelius, 735 

F.3d 654, 677 (7th Cir. 2013) (citing Hosanna–Tabor Evangelical 

ȱȱ& Sch. v. EEOC, 565 U.S. 171, 181 (2012)). The 

doctrine protects against government interference in “faith 

ȱȄȱȱȃĴȱȱȱǯȄȱȱ¢ȱ

of Guadalupe Sch. v. Morrissey–Berru, 140 S. Ct. 2049, 2060 

(2020) (cleaned up). 

Courts must leave the resolution of “quintessentially religious controversies” to religious organizations, and when the 

organization resolves a religious controversy or question, 

“the Constitution requires that civil courts accept their decisions as binding upon them.” Hosanna–Tabor, 565 U.S. at 187 

(quoting Serbian E. Orthodox Diocese for the U.S. & Can. v. Milivojevich, 426 U.S. 696, 720, 725 (1976)). Secular courts may not 

interpret religious law or wade into religious disputes because “the First and Fourteenth Amendments mandate that 

civil courts shall not disturb the decisions of the highest ecclesiastical tribunal within a church of hierarchical polity.” Milivojevich, 426 U.S. at 709. Under the church autonomy doctrine, 

ȱȱȱȃǽǾȱǽȱȂǾȱȬ

omy to shape their own missions, conduct their own 
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ministries, and generally govern themselves in accordance 

with their own doctrines as religious institutions.” Korte, 735 

F.3d at 677. 

The church autonomy doctrine does not, however, bar 

courts from adjudicating all disputes involving a religious institution. See Sterlinski v. Cath. Bishop of Chicago, 934 F.3d 568, 

571 (7th Cir. 2019) (explaining that Title VII and the First 

Amendment do not protect religious organizations from 

every suit); McCarthy v. Fuller, 714 F.3d 971, 979 (7th Cir. 2013) 

(noting that the court may adjudicate property disputes that 

do not require entanglement in religious issues); see also Belya 

v. Kapral, 45 F.4th 621, 630 (2d Cir. 2022) (“But secular components of a dispute involving religious parties are not insulated 

from judicial review; a court may use the ‘neutral principles 

of law’ approach.”); Curay-Cramer v. Ursuline Acad. of Wilmington, Del., Inc.ǰȱŚśŖȱǯřȱŗřŖǰȱŗřşȱǻřȱǯȱŘŖŖŜǼȱǻȃǽǾȱȱ

that many claims of discrimination against a religious employer under Title VII will not raise serious constitutional 

questions.”). Courts may exercise authority when the resolution does not require inquiry into doctrinal disputes. See Hosanna–Tabor, 565 U.S. at 190 (distinguishing between “outward physical acts” and “an internal church decision that affects the faith and mission of the church itself”). 

The dissent seeks to expand the collateral order doctrine 

by creating a new category never recognized by the Supreme 

Court or any other circuit. See Belya, 45 F.4th at 630. Indeed, 

the Seventh Circuit previously considered a similar question 

in Herx v. Diocese of Fort Wayne–South Bend, Inc. Herx held that 

district court orders denying church-autonomy and Title VII’s 

religious-exemption defenses cannot be immediately appealed when the merits do not appear to require judicial 
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ȱȱȱĴǯȱŝŝŘȱǯřȱȱ1090–91. That 

decision controls here. 

In Herx, the Diocese ę a junior high language arts 

teacher after she underwent in vitro fertilization, which the 

Diocese asserted was incompatible with its moral doctrine. Id. 

at 1086–87. Herx sued the Diocese, claiming that her termination violated Title VII by discriminating against her on the basis of her sex. Id. at 1087. The district court denied the Diocese’s motion for summary judgment asserting Title VII’s religious exemptions and the church autonomy doctrine’s prohibition against judicial entanȱȱĴȱȱȱ

doctrine. Id. 

On the Diocese’s interlocutory appeal, we considered both 

Title VII’s exemptions, which we described as “legislative applications of the church-autonomy defense,” and First 

Amendment religious-autonomy principles to determine 

whether we had jurisdiction under the collateral-review doctrine. Id. at 1090–91 (quoting Korte, 735 F.3d at 678). We rejected the Diocese’s argument and dismissed the appeal, 

holding that the district court’s denial of summary judgment 

did not satisfy the Cohen factors. Id. at 1090. 

The similarities between Herx and the case before us are 

inescapable. Both Garrick and Herx claimed their religious 

employers discriminated against them on the basis of sex by 

ęȱǰȱȱȱ¢ȱȱǯȱȱȱȱȱ

¢ȱȱȱȱȱěȱ ȱęȱȱȱȬ

gious disagreement, claiming Title VII’s religious exemptions 

and the First Amendment as defenses against suit. Both district courts found that a jury could conclude that, all other 

things being equal, male employees would be or had been 

ȱě¢ǯȱSee id. at 1088 (quoting the district court’s 
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conclusion that a jury “could infer that Mrs. Herx’s contract 

could have been renewed had she been male and everything 

else remained the same”); Garrick, 494 F. Supp. 3d at 578 (explaining that “a reasonable inference can be made from the 

ȱ ȱ¢ȱęȱ	ȱȱȱȱ ȱ

teachers to higher standards than their male counterparts, not 

because it disapproved of her egalitarian religious views”).6 

As in Herx, because the question of disparate treatment between men and women can be evaluated apart from doctrinal 

ěǰȱ¢ȱȱȱ  will not necessarily re-

ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ Ĵ. See 

Herx, 772 F.3d at 1091–92. While certain distinctions between 

ȱ ȱ  ȱ  ȱ ȱ ě-limits because they implicate 

complementarianism—for example, opportunities to speak at 

chapel and the removal of Garrick’s ministerial title from her 

resume—many distinctions will not. Discovery into certain 

areas including whether male employees were subject to peer 

reviews, rebuked for speaking out against perceived sexism 

on campus, denied reduced teaching loads while completing 

terminal degrees, or asked to create new courses, will not subject Moody’s doctrine to judicial second-guessing. 

The dissent misunderstands the holding in Herx when it 

interprets that case to hold “only” that the appellant failed to 

6 Moody argues that the First and Second Amended Complaints are 

essentially the same and therefore the district court erred when it did not 

dismiss the Second Amended Complaint ȱȱȱȱęǯȱȱȱȱ

court rightly noted that while the First Amended Complaint still tied Garrick’s termination to disagreements over whether women should be ad-

Ĵȱȱȱ¢ǰȱȱSecond Amended Complaint alleged that gender 

discrimination was the cause of her termination, apart from any doctrinal 

disagreements. 
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carry its burden in that particular instance. On the contrary, 

by holding “only that the Diocese has not made a persuasive 

case for expanding the scope of the collateral-order doctrine,” 

we restricted the holding to the jurisdictional question, declining to weigh in on the merits of the Diocese’s arguments. See 

id. at 1091. Context makes that clear. That holding immedi-

¢ȱ ȱȱȱȱȃǽ Ǿȱ¡ȱȱȱȱ

the merits of the district court’s summary-judgment decision.” Id.7 Herx did not leave open the possibility that we 

ȱȱȱ¢ȱȱȱȱȱȱȱęȱ

order at issue if a party simply made more persuasive arguments. 

Moody argues that McCarthy v. Fuller instead of Herx directs the outcome here. In McCarthy, a United States representative of the Holy See, the central governing body of the 

Roman Catholic Church, had issued a declaration that Fuller 

was not a nun or religious sister. 714 F.3d at 973–74; see also 

McCarthy v. Fuller, No. 08-cv-994, 2012 WL 1898858, at *2 (S.D. 

Ind. May 23, 2012). Despite this statement, the district court 

planned to instruct the jury to determine whether Fuller was 

a nun in good standing with the Catholic Church to resolve 

her claim of defamation against McCarthy, who called her a 

“fake nun.” McCarthy, 714 F.3d at 974. McCarthy held that the 

7 Nor does the fact that the Diocese addressed appellate jurisdiction 

in only “a few sentences” limit Herx’s authority. See Herx, 772 F.3d at 1090. 

We considered the issue fully in Herx, explaining the conditions that must 

be met for interlocutory review and noting the Supreme Court’s careful 

limitation of the claims that are subject to immediate appeal under the collateral order doctrine. Federal courts have an independent obligation to 

consider our jurisdictionǰȱȱ ȱȱęȱȱȱęȱȱȬ

ligation in Herx. 
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ȱȃǽǾȱȱ¢ȱȱ ȱȱȱȄȱwas 

immediately appealable on the facts in that case. Id. at 976. 

The circumstances were remarkably extreme—the judge had 

determined that the jury’s judgment could preempt that of the 

Holy See on a decidedly doctrinal question, in clear violation 

of church autonomy. 

Whether the category of order subject to immediate interlocutory review created in McCarthy is in tension with the Supreme Court’s instructions against expanding that “small 

class” is not a question we must answer at this time. For now, 

it is enough to say that McCarthy did not create a new category 

subjecting denials of a church autonomy defense to immediate appeal. Herx makes that clear. In fact, McCarthy explicitly 

noted that disputes not requiring a district court to entangle 

itself in doctrinal questions are “premature,” implicitly limiting its holding to its quite extreme facts. 714 F.3d at 979. In 

contrast, we are not faced with such a clear usurpation—or 

any usurpation—of church autonomy. Moody’s appeal falls 

outside McCarthy’s scope and squarely within that of Herx. At 

this point in the litigation of Garrick’s claims, it is not conclusively apparent that adjudication of her claims of pretextual 

ęȱs the district court to entangle itself in questions 

of religious doctrine. 

This is not to say that denials of a church autonomy defense, right or wrong, are never reviewable before ȱęȱȬ

ment. The Supreme Court addressed this concern in the con-

¡ȱȱȱȱȱĴ¢–client privilege, stating that 

even without interlocutory review under the collateral order 

doctrine, a writ of mandamus, along with other procedural 

tools, “will continue to provide adequate protection to litigants.” Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 114; see also JPMorgan Chase Bank, 
18 No. 21-2683

ǯǯȱǯȱȱȱǭȱȱǯǰȱǯ, 707 F.3d 853, 869 (7th Cir. 

2013) (declining to extend the collateral order doctrine and 

noting that Mohawk’s alternatives for review are adequate to 

vindicate rights). When its exacting standards are met, the extraordinary remedy of a writ of ȱěȱȱ

for religious-institution litigants challenging district court orders that reject First Amendment defenses. Indeed, the extreme facts of McCarthy might be best understood as satisfying those exacting requirements for a writ of mandamus. 

B. Cohen Factors 

Even if Herx did not govern the outcome in this case, 

Moody’s appeal does not satisfy the stringent Cohen factors to 

gain interlocutory review. This category of order—a denial of 

a church-autonomy defense raised against claims capable of 

resolution without implicating doctrine—is not conclusive, is 

ȱȱȱȱǰȱȱȱȱě¢ȱ Ȭ

ȱȱȱęȱǯ See Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 106. 

1. Conclusiveness 

The district court has not issued a conclusive decision on 

Moody’s church-autonomy defense. Like in HerxǰȱȃǽǾȱȬ

ȱȱȱȱȱȱȱȱĴȱȱ

the jury for decision. To the contrary, the judge promised to 

instruct the jury not to weigh or evaluate the Church’s doctrine.” 772 F.3d at 1091. Moody argues that the district court 

conclusively denied its religious autonomy guaranteed by the 

First Amendment by second-guessing its determination that 

Garrick was not in doctrinal good standing. But the district 

court did no such thing. As in Herx, the district court here emphasized that any dispute over doctrinal prohibitions against 

women serving as clergy would not be up for debate. Garrick 
No. 21-2683 19 

II, 494 F. Supp. 3d at 578. The court also made clear that while 

an inference that something other than Garrick’s beliefs led to 

ȱęȱ¢ȱȱȱȱ , Garrick will have to do 

ȱȃȱȱȱȱȱęȱȱȬ

ȱ¢ȂȱȱȱȱęȱȄȱ later stages of 

litigation, including summary judgment. Id. at 577. 

2. Separateness from the Merits 

Nor is Moody’s church-autonomy defense separate from 

the merits of Garrick’s claim as pled in the Second Amended 

Complaint. This requirement “means that review now is less 

likely to force the appellate court to consider approximately 

ȱȱǻȱȱ¢ȱǼȱĴȱȱȱǯȄȱJohnson, 

515 U.S. at 311. The asserted interest on appeal must be “‘con-

¢ȱ Ȃdz rather than literally ‘completely sepa-

ȂȄȱ ȱ ȱȱȱ ȱěȂȱǯȱMcCarthy, 714 

F.3d at 975 (quoting Mitchell v. Forsyth, 472 U.S. 511, 527 

(1985)). In fact, “if ‘any factual overlap between a collateral 

ȱȱȱȱȱȱěȂȱȱȱȱȱȱȱ

ȱȱ¢ǰȱȱȱȱĴȱȱȱȬ

pealed, for all of them require an inquiry into whether the 

ěȂȱdzȱȱons state a claim that falls outside 

the scope of the defendant’s immunity.’” Id. (quoting Mitchell, 

472 U.S. at 529 n.10). 

The viability of Moody’s defense depends upon the veracity of Garrick’s factual allegations related to pretext, so the defense is not separate from the merits of her claim. An inquiry 

into the merits of Garrick’s claim will determine whether 

Moody is able to assert the church-autonomy defense. See 

Montano v. City of Chicago, 375 F.3d 593, 598–99 (7th Cir. 2004) 

(noting that the second requirement for interlocutory review 

asks whether the order at issue “resolves issues that are 
20 No. 21-2683

capable of review without extensive examination of the underlying merits of the case”). For example, if an examination 

of the facts reveals that, in fact, both men and women are denied reduced teaching loads, asked to design courses from 

scratch as non-tenure instructors, subjected to peer reviews, 

or disciplined for speaking out against perceived sexism on 

campus, Garrick’s claim of pretext may fail. For now, key facts 

are in dispute. Because the availability of Moody’s defense depends upon undeveloped facts related to the merits of Garrick’s claims, its defense is not conceptually separate from the 

merits. 

3. ěȱ ¢ 

¢ǰȱȱȱȂȱȱȱȱě¢ȱȬ

 ȱȱȱȱȱęȱǯ Here, the “crucial ques-

ȱdzȱȱȱ ȱ ǽȱǾȱȱȱȱȱ

ȱ Dzȱȱȱ ȱȱ  ȱȱęȱ Ȭ

ment so imperils the interest as to justify the cost of allowing 

immediate appeal of the entire class of relevant orders.” Herx, 

772 F.3d at 1090 (quoting Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 108). An imper-

¢ȱȱȱȱȱ ȱȱĜǯȱId. (citing 

Mohawk, 558 U.S. at 107; Digit. Equip., 511 U.S. at 872). Instead, 

“the decisive consideration is whether delaying review until 

ȱ¢ȱȱȱęȱȱ ȱȱȱȱȬ

lic interest or some particular value of a high order.” Id.

(cleaned up). The higher interest must implicate immunity 

from trial, “not just an interest in avoiding an adverse judgment.” Id. (citing Will, 546 U.S. at 352). What higher interests 

ought to be protected? Citing the Supreme Court, we have 

listed “honoring the separation of powers, preserving the efę¢ȱȱȱȱȱȱȱĜǰȱȬ

ing a State’s dignitary interest, and mitigating the 
No. 21-2683 21 

government’s advantage over the individual.” Id. (quoting 

Will, 546 U.S. at 352–53). 

Tȱ ȱȱ ¢ȱ ȱ ǯȱ ȱ ȱ ĜȬ

cials or unit of government is involved, “so delaying appellate 

 ȱ ȱ ęȱ ȱ ȱ ȱ ‘imperil a substantial 

public interest’ grounded in the separation of powers, the dig-

¢ȱȱȱȱǰȱȱĜȱȱȱȱȬ

ment, or any other public interest.” Herx, 772 F.3d at 1090.8 

Nor does the doctrine of church autonomy confer immunity from trial in every employment discrimination suit. The 

dissent relies on Korte v. Sebelius, which described Title VII’s 

ȱ¡ȱȱȃǽǾȱȱȱȱ¢ǰȱ

or very nearly so.” Korte, 735 F.3d at 678. This circuit already 

rejected that same argument in Herx. 772 F.3d at 1090. A right 

to complete immunity from trial, and therefore a right to immediate review by a court of appeals, we explained, is “much 

more than this passage in Korte can bear.” Id. at 1091. After all, 

ȃǽ Ǿȱ ȱ ‘immunity,’ sometimes conjoined with ‘absolute,’ are often used interchangeably with ‘ǰȂȱdzȱ Ȭ

out meaning to rȱȱȱǽǾȱ¢ǯȄȱ

Id. (quoting Segni v. Com. ě. of Spain, 816 F.2d 344, 346 (7th 

Cir. 1987)). 

No court has ever held that the First Amendment doctrine 

of church autonomy establishes a constitutional right to immunity from trial in cases where non-ministerial employees 

allege non-religious discrimination. In fact, the Second Circuit 

8 ȱȱĴȱȱȱȱ¢ȱ¢ȱȱȱȱ

collateral order doctrine is not limited to disputes involving a government 

entity. But this is only one factor the Supreme Court has highlighted, as 

the rest of this section explains. 
22 No. 21-2683

rejected a similar petition for interlocutory review under the 

collateral order doctrine, holding that the church autonomy 

doctrine does not automatically bar litigation nor does it permit interlocutory appeal where the Cohen factors are not sat-

ęǯȱBelya, 45 F.4th at 625, reh’g en banc denied, 59 F.4th 570, 

cert. denied sub nom. Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox 

Church Outside of Russ. v. Belya, 143 S. Ct. 2609 (2023). Commenting on church autonomy and the collateral order doctrineǰȱȱȱȱȱȱȃǽ Ǿȱȱȱȱȱ

resolved by applying well-established law to secular components of a dispute, such resolution by a secular court presents 

no infringement upon a religious association’s independence. 

Thus, simply having a religious association on one side of the 

‘v’ does not automatically mean a district court must dismiss 

the case or limit discovery.” Id. at 630. Cf. Tucker v. Faith Bible 

Chapel Int’l, 36 F.4th 1021, 1032, 1036 (10th Cir. 2022), reh’g en 

banc denied, 53 F.4th 620, cert. denied, 143 S. Ct. 2608 (2023) 

(holding that a district court order rejecting the ministerial exception defense cannot be appealed under the collateral order 

doctrine, but noting that the defendant had not “adequately 

developed a factual record for asserting the church autonomy 

defense”).9 

9 The Fifth Circuit’s decision in Whole Woman’s Health v. Smith is not 

to the contrary. In that case, the Fifth Circuit granted interlocutory review 

ȱȱ¢ȱȱ£ǰȱęȱCohen’s requirements satisęǯȱȱȱȱȱȱȱȱ£ȱȱȱȱ

extensive and intrusive document production of its internal communications. 896 F.3d 362, 364, 367 (5th Cir. 2018). An order conclusively determining that a nonparty religious organization must be subjected to extensive discovery, whatever the merits of that argument under Cohen, is not 

comparable to the class of order at issue here. 
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ȱ ȱȱȱęȱȱǰȱȱȱěȱ

plausibly ȱ ȱ ęȱ ȱ ¡ǰȱ ȱ ȱ

Amendment does not automatically bar judicial examination 

of that claim. See Sterlinski, 934 F.3d at 570–72. Just as in Herx, 

neither Title VII’s religious exemptions nor First Amendment 

religious-liberty interests confer immunity from trial such 

that immediate review is warranted. 

Finally, Moody’s argument that it will experience irreparable harm without immediate review and reversal of the district court’s order is unavailing. Religious autonomy to shape 

and control doctrine will not be threatened. Within its discretion to manage discovery, the district court should limit discovery to instances of discriminatory treatment in situations 

not implicated by Moody’s complementarian beliefs. We are 

sympathetic to Moody’s concerns that its beliefs might be put 

under a microscope, but the district court should safeguard 

against such infringement. To be clear, discovery may not explore the sincerity or ęȱf complementarianism in 

Moody’s religious doctrine, question the validity of that belief, or challenge policies related to it. Similarly, jury instructions will establish appropriate guardrails at trial. The district 

court should manage discovery and the case to focus on differential treatment based on sex without intruding on 

Moody’s religious beliefs. 

III. Conclusion 

Because Moody’s appeal falls outside of the collateral order doctrine’s narrow and selective class of claims subject to 

interlocutory review, we DISMISS the appeal for lack of jurisdiction without reaching the merits of Moody’s Title VII and 

First Amendment defenses. 
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BRENNAN, Circuit Judge, dissenting. The First Amendment’s protection of church autonomy provides immunity 

precluding litigation of religious questions. Court orders implicating those questions can impose legal proceedings on religious organizations. Practically construed, this category of 

decisions meets the requirements for a collateral order subject 

to interlocutory review. 

This employment litigation between a teacher and a school 

concerns claims and defenses tethered to religious beliefs. The 

district court orders here fall into the category of decisions 

that implicate immunity under the church autonomy doctrine. So, I part ways with my colleagues and conclude that 

appellate jurisdiction exists here under the collateral order 

doctrine. 

I

The First Amendment’s Religion Clauses bar court entanglement in matters of religious belief, doctrine, and governance. “Freedom of conscience and freedom to adhere to such 

religious organization or form of worship as the individual 

may choose cannot be restricted by law.” Cantwell v. State of 

Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296, 303 (1940). This applies to religious 

institutions, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any other 

faith tradition. 

The Supreme Court has interpreted those clauses to recognize a “general principle of church autonomy.” Our Lady of 

Guadalupe Sch. v. Morrissey-Berru, 591 U.S. –––, 140 S. Ct. 2049, 

2061 (2020). “[C]hurch autonomy ‘means what it says: 

churches must have ‘independence in matters of faith and 

doctrine and in closely linked matters of internal government.’” Starkey v. Roman Cath. Archdiocese of Indianapolis, Inc., 
No. 21-2683 25

41 F.4th 931, 942 (7th Cir. 2022) (quoting Demkovich v. St. Andrew the Apostle Par. Calumet City, 3 F.4th 968, 975 (7th Cir. 

2021) (en banc) (quoting Our Lady of Guadalupe, 140 S. Ct. at 

2061)). Religious groups can “define their own doctrine, 

membership, organization, and internal requirements without state interference.” Demkovich, 3 F.4th at 975. This autonomy protects religious groups in the conduct of their internal 

affairs and the state from “entangle[ment] in essentially religious controversies.” Serbian E. Orthodox Diocese for U.S. of 

Am. & Canada v. Milivojevich, 426 U.S. 696, 709 (1976). 

Under the principle of church autonomy, “[r]eligious organizations come before [civil courts] in the same attitude as 

other voluntary associations.” Watson v. Jones, 80 U.S. 679, 714 

(1871). But courts leave fundamentally religious questions to 

religious bodies, then apply the law just as they do to nonreligious entities. See Tony & Susan Alamo Found. v. Sec’y of Lab., 

471 U.S. 290, 303–05 (1985). Courts need not—and cannot—

dismiss a case simply because a defendant declares religious 

questions or defenses are involved. Id.; see also Seshadri v. 

Kasraian, 130 F.3d 798, 800 (7th Cir. 1997). 

Questions about religious education are protected by 

church autonomy. “[T]he very core of the mission” of religious education is inculcating faith. Starkey, 41 F.4th at 939. 

Given the role of teachers, for example, the National Labor 

Relations Board cannot interfere with teacher-school employment relationships at religious schools. See Cath. Bishop of Chicago v. N.L.R.B., 559 F.2d 1112, 1120, 1124 (7th Cir. 1977), aff’d, 

440 U.S. 490 (1979). Why? Because litigation could harm the 

school’s religious autonomy as the government would “becom[e] entangled in doctrinal matters.” Id. at 1125. After dismissing a teacher for “teaching a doctrine” contrary to the 
26 No. 21-2683

school’s faith, the NLRB would have to ask if religion was 

“merely a pretextual reason” for discharge. Id. In response, 

the bishop “would have to eliminate the pretextual aspect,” 

which would require proving up the validity and credibility 

of “the claimed doctrinal position” for termination. Id. at 1129. 

This would require “explanation and analysis, and probably 

verification and justification, of the doctrinal precept involved,” which “would itself erode the protective wall afforded by the constitutional right.” Id.1

As the Supreme Court explained in Our Lady of Guadalupe, 

“the general principle of church autonomy” protects “internal 

management decisions that are essential to [a religious 

group’s] central mission.” Id. at 2060–61. Together, the cases 

above hold that courts cannot adjudicate employment claims 

involving decisions that turn on matters of faith, doctrine, and 

internal governance. 

II 

Under the collateral order doctrine, appellate courts need 

not wait for a final decision in all cases. This court has not decided whether the collateral order doctrine categorically 

1 A “component” of church autonomy is a religious institution’s “selection of individuals who play certain key roles.” Our Lady of Guadalupe, 

140 S. Ct. at 2160. What follows is the “ministerial exception” to antidiscrimination laws, which dictates that “courts are bound to stay out of employment disputes involving those holding certain important positions” 

within religious groups. Starkey, 41 F.4th at 939 (quoting Our Lady of Guadalupe, 140 S. Ct. at 2060). The ministerial exception shares its rationale 

(and much interpreting case law) with “the general principle of church 

autonomy.” Our Lady of Guadalupe, 140 S. Ct. at 2061; Demkovich, 3 F.4th at 

975. Appellant Moody Bible Institute does not raise the ministerial exception in this appeal. 
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applies to cases involving church autonomy. It does. A prejudgment order implicating immunity under church autonomy is reviewable on interlocutory appeal. Orders denying 

immunity in other contexts are similarly reviewable on interlocutory appeal, and other avenues of review are insufficient. 

A

We are generally limited to review of “final decisions.” 28 

U.S.C. § 1291. But per Cohen v. Beneficial Indus. Loan Corp., 337 

U.S. 541 (1949), § 1291 permits immediate appeal of a “small 

class” of orders that “finally determine claims of right separable from, and collateral to, rights asserted in the action, too 

important to be denied review and too independent of the 

cause itself to require that appellate consideration be deferred 

until the whole case is adjudicated.” 337 U.S. at 546. This limited review of certain categories of orders, known as the collateral order doctrine, applies when: (1) a district court order 

has “conclusively decided a contested issue”; (2) “the issue 

decided is important and separate from the merits of the action”; and (3) the order “would be effectively unreviewable 

later in the litigation.” Osborn v. Haley, 549 U.S. 225, 238 (2007) 

(citing Cohen, 337 U.S. at 546). 

If a category of orders satisfies the collateral order doctrine, every order in that category is immediately appealable, 

see Digit. Equip. Corp. v. Desktop Direct, Inc., 511 U.S. 863, 868 

(1994), regardless of a given order’s strengths or the record’s 

completeness. Cohen does not permit case-by-case analysis; 

we are to look to the “entire category to which a claim belongs, without regard to the chance that the litigation at hand 

might be speeded, or a ‘particular injustice’ averted.” Id. 

(quoting Van Cauwenberghe v. Biard, 486 U.S. 517, 529 (1988) 

(cleaned up)). 
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Expanding the collateral order doctrine to new areas of 

law is disfavored. See, e.g., Mohawk Indus., Inc. v. Carpenter, 558 

U.S. 100, 114 (2009); Swint v. Chambers Cnty. Comm’n, 514 U.S. 

35, 48 (1995) (insisting that Congress’s determination of jurisdictional rules “warrants the Judiciary’s full respect”). The 

doctrine has been interpreted narrowly, for if it was not, it 

could “swallow the general rule that a party is entitled to a 

single appeal, to be deferred until final judgment has been entered.” Digit. Equip. Corp., 511 U.S. at 868; see also Will v. Hallock, 546 U.S. 345, 350 (2006). 

But acknowledging that the collateral order doctrine is 

narrow does not preclude us from recognizing a category of 

cases that falls within it.2 Applying the collateral order doctrine is not expanding it. Contra supra at 13. The Supreme 

Court has counseled caution when expanding the collateral 

order doctrine. The majority opinion here presses Swint’s 

1995 caution against such expansion. But two years after 

Swint, in Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681, 707 n.41 (1997), the 

Court explicitly referenced Swint and recognized a new 

2 Indeed, this circuit’s Rule 28(a)(3)(ii) recognizes this and requires litigants to provide the information to determine whether the collateral order doctrine applies to their case: 

 (3) If an appeal is from an order other than a final judgment which 

adjudicates all of the claims with respect to all parties, counsel 

shall provide information necessary to enable the court to determine whether the order is immediately appealable. Elaboration 

will be necessary in the following cases ... 

(ii) If the ground of jurisdiction is the “collateral order doctrine,” 

describe how the order meets each of the criteria of the doctrine 

... . 

CIR. R. 28(a)(3)(ii).
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category of the collateral order doctrine to encompass immunity from trial. 

The Supreme Court and our court have not conclusively 

addressed whether a decision implicating immunity under 

church autonomy is categorically a collateral order. Other circuits have struggled mightily with this question.3 With no 

clear answer, close review of precedent is required. 

B 

The parties wrangle over whether this court’s previous decision in McCarthy v. Fuller, 714 F.3d 971 (7th Cir. 2013), or in 

Herx v. Diocese of Fort Wayne-S. Bend, Inc., 772 F.3d 1085 (7th 

Cir. 2014), resolves this question. Neither does. 

Garrick points to Herx and contends we lack jurisdiction. 

But Herx is distinguishable. There, a former teacher at a Catholic school sued under Title VII after she was fired for undergoing in vitro fertilization. 772 F.3d at 1086. The diocese argued that it should prevail because of its important interests 

under Title VII’s religious exemption as well as church autonomy. Id. at 1087–88. When the district court denied summary 

judgment as to both defenses, the diocese immediately appealed. Id. at 1088. 

3 The Second Circuit in Belya v. Kapral, 59 F.4th 570 (2d Cir. 2023), denying rehearing en banc of 45 F.4th 621 (2d Cir. 2022), cert. denied 143 S. Ct. 2609 

(2023), by a 6–6 vote declined to rehear a panel decision holding that a 

religious autonomy decision is not a collateral order. 59 F.4th at 571. The 

Tenth Circuit in Tucker v. Faith Bible Chapel Int’l, 53 F.4th 620 (10th Cir. 

2022), denying rehearing en banc of 36 F.4th 1021 (10th Cir. 2022), cert. denied

143 S. Ct. 2608 (2023), by a 6–4 vote declined to rehear a similar decision. 

53 F.4th at 621–22.
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This court ruled that it did not have jurisdiction to review 

either order. Id. at 1090–91. “[O]nly a few sentences” in the 

diocese’s briefing were even “addressed to the criteria for collateral-order review.” Id. at 1090. The diocese “cite[d] no authority” for the proposition that its defenses “provide an immunity from the burdens of trial rather than an ordinary defense to liability.” Id. at 1091. Despite “the importance of the 

interests” the diocese asserted, it did not satisfy the collateralorder doctrine. Id.

Herx left open the possibility that if the diocese had shown 

immunity from the judicial process, an interlocutory appeal 

may have been warranted. In Herx, this court “h[e]ld only that 

the Diocese has not made a persuasive case for expanding the 

scope of the collateral-order doctrine to cover the interlocutory decision rendered here.” 772 F.3d at 1091. That holding 

does not apply here. Extensive authority—including more recent precedent from the Supreme Court (Our Lady of Guadalupe, 140 S. Ct. at 2061) and this court (Sterlinski v. Cath. Bishop 

of Chicago, 934 F.3d 568, 570 (7th Cir. 2019); Demkovich, 3 F.4th 

at 975)—confirms the importance of church autonomy. Herx

was a procedural dismissal. See Tucker, 36 F.4th at 1056 n.8 

(Bacharach, J., dissenting).4 So, I disagree with my colleagues 

that Herx controls the jurisdictional question here. 

4 As the dissent stated in Tucker: 

Herx lacks any persuasive value because it relied only on the religious body’s failure to present ”a persuasive case” that the ministerial exception satisfied the collateral-order doctrine. For this 

conclusion, the Seventh Circuit relied on deficiencies in the briefing, stating that the religious body had focused ”mainly on the 

merits,” spent ”only a few sentences” on jurisdiction, and failed 

to cite relevant authority. 
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Moody points to McCarthy, a decision addressing a defamation claim over calling a woman a “fake nun.” 714 F.3d at 

974. The district court had denied a motion to take judicial 

notice of an archbishop’s determination that the woman was 

not a nun in good standing, ruling instead that a jury would 

decide that disputed factual question. Id. This court reversed, 

holding that a pretrial order denying the Religion Clauses’ 

protection for church autonomy—specifically, the order submitting an explicitly religious question to a jury—was appealable under the collateral order doctrine. Id. Such an order is 

“closely akin to a denial of official immunity,” this court 

ruled, the archetype of an appealable interlocutory order. Id.

at 975–76. Like official immunity, allowing a claim barred by 

the Religion Clauses to proceed to discovery and trial conclusively forecloses constitutional protections against “commingling of religious and secular justice.” Id. This immunity 

against “governmental intrusion into religious affairs” is 

“‘conceptually distinct’ from the merits” of the underlying 

claim. Id. (quoting Mitchell v. Forsyth, 472 U.S. 511, 527 (1985)).

And the Religion Clauses prevent not just “an adverse judgment,” but also the “irreparable” harm caused by judicial proceedings where a “secular court [will] take sides on issues of 

religious doctrine.” Id. No mention was ever made in McCarthy of a writ of mandamus. 

This case is closer to McCarthy than to Herx. Still, McCarthy

does not necessarily control. There, the court concluded that 

a decision was immediately appealable because the First 

Amendment “forbids the government to make religious judgments” at all. McCarthy, 714 F.3d at 976. This is a somewhat 

36 F.4th at 1056 n.8 (Bacharach, J., dissenting) (citations omitted).
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different question than the one raised here, which is whether 

the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment confer an immunity from adjudication generally. 

Because this court’s precedent does not establish whether 

a church autonomy decision qualifies as an order subject to 

interlocutory review, this question should be answered by 

looking to 28 U.S.C. § 1291 and the test the Supreme Court set 

in Cohen. 

C 

The collateral order doctrine is a “practical rather than 

technical construction” of 28 U.S.C. § 1291. Cohen, 337 U.S. at 

1226. Practically construed, a decision impacting church autonomy meets each of the three collateral order requirements. 

1. Order has conclusively decided a contested issue. “The most 

basic element of collateral order finality is that the district 

court must have decided the matter offered for appeal.” 15A 

WRIGHT & MILLER, FEDERAL PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE

§ 3911.1 (3d ed. Apr. 2023 update). 

A claim concerning a religious organization’s faith, doctrine, or internal governance opens up that organization to litigation. A district court’s decision on such a claim implicates 

church autonomy. And “where it applies, the church-autonomy principle operates as a complete immunity, or very 

nearly so.” Korte v. Sebelius, 735 F.3d 654, 678 (7th Cir. 2013). 

When a district court conclusively decides a contested issue—whether a religious organization is entitled to immunity 

from litigation under church autonomy, or whether the suit 

continues—the first requirement of the collateral order doctrine has been satisfied. A critical component of immunity is 

“an entitlement not to stand trial or face the other burdens of 
No. 21-2683 33

litigation,” which is “effectively lost if a case is erroneously 

permitted to go to trial.” Mitchell, 472 U.S. at 526. In other 

words, when immunity is taken off the table, a conclusive decision has been made that we can review. 

2. Issue decided is important and separate from the merits. A 

key condition of the collateral order doctrine is that “the issue 

decided is important and separate from the merits of the action.” Osborn, 549 U.S. at 238 (citing Cohen, 337 U.S. at 546). 

An order resolving a church autonomy defense under the 

Religion Clauses presents an important First Amendment 

question. Because religious autonomy “lies at the foundation 

of our political principles,” Watson, 80 U.S. at 728, a decision 

on a claim implicating church autonomy involves an important question. “When a policy is embodied in a constitutional or statutory provision entitling a party to immunity 

from suit (a rare form of protection), there is little room for the 

judiciary to gainsay its ‘importance.’” Digit. Equip. Corp., 511 

U.S. at 879 (quotations omitted). “Where statutory and constitutional rights are concerned, irretrievabl[e] los[s] can hardly 

be trivial... .” Id.

We also consider whether the issue is separate from the 

merits of a plaintiff’s claim. The Court has recognized that “a 

question of immunity is separate from the merits of the underlying action for purposes of the Cohen test even though a 

reviewing court must consider the plaintiff's factual allegations in resolving the immunity issue.” Mitchell, 472 U.S. at 

528–29. Whether a case turns on a religious question can be 

“conceptually distinct from the merits of the plaintiff’s claim.” 

Id. at 527; see id. at 527-29 (issue of qualified immunity purely 

legal; question on appeal is—assuming truth of allegations 

and assuming without deciding that those facts state a 
34 No. 21-2683

claim—whether the law was clearly established when the defendant acted); see also 15A WRIGHT & MILLER at § 3911.2. A 

decision as to whether a case turns on a religious question is 

not a step toward a final judgment and is separate from the 

merits of the action, satisfying the second element of the collateral order doctrine. See Cohen, 337 U.S. at 546.5 

3. Order is effectively unreviewable later in litigation. Last, to 

satisfy the collateral order doctrine “[t]here must be a risk that 

the order will evade review on appeal from a final judgment, 

and the evasion of review must create a significant hardship.” 

15A WRIGHT & MILLER at § 3911.3. Appeals of collateral orders 

are appropriate “only where the order at issue involves ‘an 

asserted right the legal and practical value of which would be 

destroyed if it were not vindicated before trial.’” Midland Asphalt Corp. v. United States, 489 U.S. 794, 799 (1989) (quotation 

omitted). 

An appeal from a final judgment would do no good to address a pre-judgment order about whether the immunity conferred by church autonomy applies, as “it will be too late effectively to review” the order. 15A WRIGHT & MILLER at 

§ 3911.3. The question of immunity from suit under the 

church autonomy doctrine, after litigation and the court’s decision, would be automatically answered to the contrary. 

Litigation and its related costs create a hardship that the 

church autonomy doctrine was meant to avoid—an adversity 

5 For example, in Belya the majority opinion, 45 F.4th at 632, and the 

dissent from the denial of rehearing en banc, 59 F.4th at 578, effectively 

agreed that this second element was satisfied when litigating a church autonomy defense. See also Tucker, 36 F.4th at 1036 (majority explaining that 

Cohen’s second requirement satisfied). 
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that is effectively unreviewable later in a case. Avoiding that 

harm is why immunity-related issues should be decided at 

the earliest opportunity. 

The Supreme Court has explained that the Religion 

Clauses limit the process of litigation, not merely liability. 

This is because “[i]t is not only the conclusions that may be 

reached by [the government] which may impinge on rights 

guaranteed by the Religion Clauses, but also the very process 

of inquiry leading to findings and conclusions.” Cath. Bishop, 

440 U.S. at 502. Indeed, the Religion Clauses bar “any attempt” by courts “even to influence” matters of faith, doctrine, or governance. Our Lady of Guadalupe, 140 S. Ct. at 2060. 

This court has also stressed that the Religion Clauses protect religious organizations from the harm caused by a trial, 

not just an adverse judgment. Sitting en banc, this Court echoed the Supreme Court’s admonition that “‘the very process 

of inquiry’” can “impinge on rights guaranteed by the Religion Clauses,” warning those rights can be harmed by the 

“protracted legal process” of Title VII adjudication and the 

ensuing “prejudicial effects of incremental litigation.” Demkovich, 3 F.4th at 982–83 (quoting Cath. Bishop, 440 U.S. at 502 

and Rayburn v. Gen. Conf. of Seventh-Day Adventists, 772 F.2d 

1164, 1171 (4th Cir. 1985)). 

In Catholic Bishop of Chicago v. NLRB, this court rejected the 

NLRB’s attempt to exercise jurisdiction over Catholic schools 

in part because of the “chilling aspect” that a “protracted and 

expensive unfair labor practice proceeding” would have on 

the schools’ religious freedom. 559 F.2d at 1124. Similarly, in 

Sterlinski, this court ruled that a purpose of the church autonomy doctrine is “to avoid such judicial entanglement” as 

“subjecting religious doctrine to discovery and, if necessary, 
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jury trial.” 934 F.3d at 570. In sum, where “the course of adjudication” will cause religious entanglement, judicial involvement is barred. Tomic v. Cath. Diocese of Peoria, 442 F.3d 1036, 

1039 (7th Cir. 2006).6 The process is part of the injury against 

which the First Amendment protects. 

D

The church autonomy doctrine is similar to other immunity doctrines on which collateral orders may warrant immediate appeal. See, e.g., P.R. Aqueduct & Sewer Auth. v. Metcalf & 

Eddy, Inc., 506 U.S. 139, 147 (1993) (Eleventh Amendment immunity); Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731, 757 (1982) (absolute 

immunity); Abney v. United States, 431 U.S. 651, 662 (1977) 

(double jeopardy immunity); 7 see also Lael D. Weinberger, Is 

Church Autonomy Jurisdictional?, 54 LOY. U. CHI. L.J. 471, 503–

05 (2023). Chief among these is qualified immunity, 

6 See also Amicus Brief of Federal Courts Professor Derek T. Muller at 

4–5, Garrick v. Moody Bible Inst., No. 21-2683 (7th Cir. Aug. 7, 2023) (“When 

a district court denies a pretrial motion (1) asserting a defense against the 

burdens of litigation itself (2) that is rooted in constitutional principles, its 

order is immediately appealable under Section 1291. ... [T]he church autonomy defense meets both those criteria ... .”) 

7 The majority opinion attempts to distinguish the church autonomy 

doctrine by saying, “this suit implicates only private parties.” Supra at 21. 

But the collateral order doctrine is not limited to government officials or 

entities. Private parties’ interests are regularly protected. See, e.g., Abney, 

431 U.S. at 659, 662 (holding that a “pretrial order denying a motion to 

dismiss an indictment on double jeopardy grounds” satisfies Cohen and 

“the jurisdictional prerequisites” of 28 U.S.C. § 1291); Sell v. United States, 

539 U.S. 166, 173, 177 (2003) (holding that an “order authorizing the involuntary administration of antipsychotic drugs” to a criminal defendant 

“was an appealable ‘collateral order’” under 28 U.S.C. § 1291). 
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recognized in Mitchell as providing the basis for appeal of a 

collateral order. 472 U.S. at 527–29. 

Several courts, including this one, see McCarthy, 714 F.3d 

at 975, have recognized the similarities between church autonomy and qualified immunity. See Skrzypczak v. Roman Cath. 

Diocese of Tulsa, 611 F.3d 1238, 1242 (10th Cir. 2010); Petruska 

v. Gannon Univ., 462 F.3d 294, 302–03 (3d Cir. 2006); Bryce v. 

Episcopal Church in the Diocese of Colo., 289 F.3d 648, 654 (10th 

Cir. 2002) (“[T]he assertion that the First Amendment precludes [a lawsuit challenging church decision-making] is similar to a government official’s defense of qualified immunity.”). 

Both immunities are rooted in foundational constitutional 

interests—the former the interest in precluding governmental 

intervention in religious disputes, and the latter in separation 

of powers concerns. See Belya, 59 F.4th at 578–79 (Park, J., dissenting from the order denying rehearing en banc). Both are 

protections against the burdens of litigation. Id. at 579. And 

both involve legal questions that must be decided at the 

threshold. See Mitchell, 472 U.S. at 525–26 (holding qualified 

immunity defense should be decided early); Tucker, 36 F.4th 

at 1056–57 (Bacharach, J., dissenting) (noting value of early judicial review for ministerial exception and how ministerial exception is analogous to qualified immunity); Tucker, 53 F.4th 

at 627 (Bacharach, J., dissenting from denial of en banc consideration). (discussing negative impact of delayed judicial review); Weinberger at 501–02 (stating reason for early resolution of immunity claims applies to church autonomy cases). 

Church autonomy cases implicating immunity are even 

better candidates for interlocutory appeal than qualified immunity cases. Both immunities should be addressed at the 
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threshold of litigation, but for different reasons. Qualified immunity is resolved early to avoid excessive disruption of government, and it is a judicially-crafted doctrine. See Pearson v. 

Callahan, 555 U.S. 223, 232 (2009). Yet, early resolution of immunity under the church autonomy doctrine is essential to 

protect a religious organization’s First Amendment rights and 

to avoid excessive entanglement of the government in religious affairs. See Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church & 

Sch. v. E.E.O.C., 565 U.S. 171, 188–89 (2012).

E

There are other paths to appellate review of a case before 

judgment without recognizing a new appeal as of right. A district court can certify a question of law for interlocutory review under 28 U.S.C. § 1292(b). See Demkovich, 3 F.4th at 974. 

And a party may petition for relief under the All Writs Act, 28 

U.S.C. § 1651(a). But those alternative routes do not preclude 

the collateral order doctrine from applying to church autonomy decisions, and the Rules Enabling Act, 28 U.S.C. 

§ 2072(c), does not change that. 

Section 1292(b) is too arbitrary of a vehicle for review 

when constitutional rights are at stake. “The fundamental 

purpose of § 1292(b) is to permit discretionary avoidance of 

the finality requirement.” 16 WRIGHT & MILLER at § 3929.1. 

Church autonomy cases derive their immunity from the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment, a constitutional protection that is not discretionary. An interlocutory appeal under 

§ 1292(b) may result in capricious outcomes. Consider two 

cases with similar facts in the same procedural posture presenting the same issue implicating church autonomy. They 

could result in identical rulings, yet one district court may 
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certify its order for interlocutory appeal under § 1292(b) while 

another may not (more on this later). 

A writ of mandamus under 28 U.S.C. § 1651(a) is an extraordinary vehicle that cannot substitute for appellate review 

of a category of collateral orders. “[I]t is regularly stated that 

a writ must not be used as a mere substitute for appeal.” 16 

WRIGHT & MILLER at § 3932; see also id., at § 3929.1. The burden 

to secure a writ is much greater: the challenged order “must 

so far exceed proper bounds of judicial discretion as to be legitimately considered usurpative in character, or in violation 

of a clear and indisputable legal right, or, at the very least, 

patently erroneous.” In re LimitNone, LLC, 551 F.3d 572, 575 

(7th Cir. 2008) (citation omitted). 

These two paths may allow oversight of an individual 

case. But they are no match for the review of the category of 

claims implicating church autonomy. 

The Rules Enabling Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2072(c), also is not a 

valid alternative when immunity under the First Amendment’s church autonomy is implicated. That Act gives the Supreme Court authority to issue rules defining which orders 

should be considered final and appealable under 28 U.S.C. 

§ 1291, and which categories of nonfinal, interlocutory orders 

should be immediately appealable under 28 U.S.C. § 1292. See 

id. § 1292(e). But Congress cannot create a rule to limit a constitutional right; that would require constitutional amendment. 

* * * 

For these reasons, we have jurisdiction to review a district 

court’s order on a claim implicating immunity under the 
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church autonomy doctrine. Such an order qualifies as a “final 

decision” and should be immediately appealable.8

This does not mean that decisions on all claims involving 

a religious organization would satisfy the collateral order requirements. Many types of litigation involving religious organizations fail to implicate church autonomy, from civil tort, 

to breach of contract, to real and personal property disputes. 

A chasm may exist between such claims and a cause of action 

implicating church autonomy. But just because the former 

claims do not qualify for interlocutory review, it does not follow that the latter should not qualify under the collateral order doctrine. 

III 

The district court’s decisions here fall into a category of 

orders subject to interlocutory review. This case’s facts and 

history, considered under the requirements of the collateral 

order doctrine, show why. 

A 

1. Garrick alleges religious discrimination, and her claims are 

dismissed. Garrick filed an EEOC charge in January 2018 alleging sex, religion, and retaliatory discrimination in violation of 

Title VII. She claimed Moody terminated her “because of [her] 

gender and [her] religion (egalitarian Christian).” The EEOC 

8 See, e.g., Adam R. Moore, A Textualist Defense of a New Collateral Order 

Doctrine, 99 NOTRE DAME L.REV. REFLECTION 1, 39–45 (2023) (denial of motion to dismiss on religious autonomy defense is “final decision[]” and can 

be immediately appealed under § 1291). 
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investigated, was unable to find a violation, and issued her a 

right-to-sue letter. 

Garrick sued, and her first amended complaint included 

several employment-related discrimination claims. In that 

pleading, Garrick asserted that Moody’s religious discrimination was in part pretext. But in that same complaint, she also 

alleged that Moody had “created a hostile workplace by discriminating against egalitarian Christians repeatedly.” Garrick expressly claimed that “Moody discriminated against 

[her] on the basis of religion (egalitarian Christian) in violation of [Title VII].” 

The district court granted Moody’s motion to dismiss. The 

court considered Moody’s defense of church autonomy and 

concluded that “Moody’s alleged reasons for firing Garrick 

were rooted firmly in its religious beliefs.” If the court “were 

to delve into the disputes posed by Garrick, it would impermissibly inject the auspices of government into religious doctrine and governance.” The court also dismissed Garrick’s 

other claims, but it did so without prejudice and allowed Garrick to replead. 412 F. Supp. 859 (N.D. Ill. 2019). 

2. Garrick amends her pleading, limiting religious references. In 

her second amended complaint, Garrick claimed that Moody 

committed sex discrimination and engaged in disparate treatment and retaliation, all in violation of Title VII. The second 

amended complaint left unchanged the numerous allegations 

describing how Garrick advocated against Moody’s beliefs 

and practices related to gender roles in pastoral ministry. She 

continued to claim that Moody told her verbally and in writing that her contract was not renewed because she “was not 

aligned with [Moody’s] doctrinal statement as it related to 

gender roles in ministry.” 
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In this pleading, Garrick alleged no new material facts and 

raised no new claims. In some instances, she simply deleted 

doctrinal words like “Bible” and “Theology” that she had previously pleaded. The second amended complaint again alleged that Moody required all faculty members to affirm its 

doctrinal statements as part of their employment contract, 

and that Garrick openly rejected the doctrinal statement’s position on the role of women in the ministry. She also repeated 

verbatim her allegation that the stated reason for her termination—that she “held an egalitarian view”—was “pretext for 

[Moody’s] true motives—discrimination and retaliation.” 

Despite not including new material facts and not raising 

new claims, Garrick adjusted her narrative to support a new 

theory. Now, she said, Moody’s given explanation for her termination was pretext for discrimination, which arose only after she advocated for full inclusion of female students. 

But the record is directly to the contrary. Garrick lays out 

the parties’ disagreement about religious beliefs in her EEOC 

charge and first amended complaint. Those religious beliefs 

permeate her employment at this faith-based school and her 

various claims.9 The same holds true for Moody’s defenses. 

9 For example, Garrick claims Moody relied on religious disagreement 

as pretext for sex discrimination, as shown in her 2017 termination letter 

in which Moody claims that Garrick is a “poor fit” at the school. But this 

termination letter was not the first time Moody had shared its concern 

about the differing religious beliefs between Garrick and the school. 

Throughout 2016 the parties disagreed about gender participation in the 

ordained ministry. And Moody “announced that it intended to ... open 

the Pastoral Ministry program to women” in April 2016. Several months 

later, in September 2016, Garrick told a story about a transgender student 

who felt excluded at Moody. The next day a Moody administrator told 

Garrick she was “not a Moody fit.” So, the religious disagreement—and 
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Questions about those beliefs would inevitably arise during 

litigation, and again lead to the district court’s original conclusion of judicial entanglement in religious questions. So, 

Moody again moved to dismiss, raising the church autonomy 

defense. 

3. Garrick’s second amended complaint is allowed to proceed. 

This time, though, the district court denied Moody’s motion 

to dismiss, and Garrick’s second amended complaint survived. 494 F. Supp. 570 (N.D. Ill. 2020). 

The district court acknowledged that “the religious autonomy doctrine turns on the substance of a plaintiff’s claims, not 

the label she chooses to attach to them” and that much of Garrick’s complaint continued to revolve around her disagreement with Moody’s religious “complementarian creed.” Nevertheless, the court ruled that Garrick’s sex discrimination 

claim could proceed because, although the first amended 

complaint alleged “she was actually fired because of her advocacy in favor of female students joining the Pastoral Ministry Program,” “the present complaint portrays Moody’s religious justification as a pretext for gender discrimination.” According to the district court, the case could proceed without 

the court “sit[ting] in judgment as to what Moody’s complementarian doctrine entails or whether it represents a reasonable basis for firing Garrick.” Rather, at issue is “whether 

Moody terminated her because of its religious beliefs or 

whether its invocation of its religious beliefs was, in fact, a 

cover to discriminate against Garrick because of her gender.” 

the “poor fit”—stemmed from the meeting where Garrick told the story, 

which was after the inclusion of female students was resolved.
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To the district court, church autonomy prohibits courts 

from determining the validity or plausibility of a religious rationale, not whether the supposed religious rationale was the 

actual motivation for a decision. Because Garrick plausibly alleged that Moody’s true reason for firing her was sex discrimination, the church autonomy doctrine did not “entirely foreclose[] Garrick’s claims.” But to the extent Garrick’s allegations challenged Moody’s complementarian beliefs, the district court again explicitly rejected them. In so concluding, the 

court did not acknowledge that both complaints contained 

identical language regarding pretext. Nor did the court address Garrick’s EEOC charge, attached to both complaints, 

with its sworn admission that Moody declined to renew Garrick’s contract because she rejected Moody’s religious beliefs. 

Moody moved for reconsideration, again relying on 

church autonomy principles as barring Garrick’s claims, but 

the district court denied the motion. In the alternative, Moody 

sought certification to appeal under 28 U.S.C. § 1292(b). The 

district court denied this request in one sentence of reasoning: 

Moody had not cited a decision showing “that the First 

Amendment bars any inquiry into whether a religious employer’s proffered doctrinal reason for an adverse employment action was the actual reason ... .” 

B

Moody, as the appellant, bears the burden to show that a 

decision meets the collateral order doctrine’s requirements. 

Garrick contends that Moody cannot carry its burden, but that 

is not correct. Each of the three collateral order doctrine requirements are met because the district court’s decisions on 

Moody’s second motion to dismiss and motion for reconsideration directly implicate church autonomy. 
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1. Order has conclusively decided a contested issue. The district 

court’s decisions allowing this suit to continue are conclusive 

because they take immunity off the table. 

The decisions will subject Moody to invasive civil adjudication, including depositions of school leaders about sensitive 

religious matters. Garrick will ask a jury to attribute secular, 

sex-based motivations to Moody, even while admitting that 

Moody had religious motivations and that the parties had a 

religious dispute about sex-based religious distinctions for religious leadership roles. Her claims will thus entangle the 

courts and a jury in questions over the development, meaning, and strength of Moody’s church-leadership doctrines; its 

internal religious deliberations regarding Garrick’s rejection 

of its doctrine; and its religious decisions involving other professors and students that violated its doctrine. Likewise, to 

persuade a jury of the credibility of its religious motivations, 

Moody will have to show the importance of its religious doctrine—and the importance of all its teachers agreeing with 

it—as that doctrine relates to Moody’s religious mission. See 

Cath. Bishop, 559 F.2d at 1120, 1124. Thus, a “civil factfinder” 

will “sit[] in ultimate judgment of what the accused church 

really believes, and how important that belief is to the 

church’s overall mission.” Hosanna-Tabor, 565 U.S. at 206 

(Alito, J., concurring). The district court’s decisions on 

Moody’s motions to dismiss directly impact the religious 

school’s claim of church autonomy in shaping its own religious doctrine and internal governance. 

The majority opinion frames the district court’s decisions 

as “den[ying] [Moody’s] religious autonomy guaranteed by 

the First Amendment by second-guessing its determination 

that Garrick was not in doctrinal good standing.” Supra at 18. 
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But that is not quite accurate. Yes, Moody explains that the 

district court “ordered that the judiciary must second-guess 

[its] determination that Garrick was not in doctrinal good 

standing ... .” And Moody says that, because of that order, 

the school will be subject “to invasive civil adjudication.” But 

that litigation is what Moody claims violates its religious autonomy guaranteed by the First Amendment. 

The district court conclusively denied Moody’s religious 

autonomy guaranteed by the First Amendment. It did so not 

by second-guessing its decision that Garrick was not in doctrinal good standing, but by making Moody continue legal 

proceedings when a faith-based school is immune from litigation about religious issues. It engaged with this question several times, initially granting the motion to dismiss, and then 

denying the second motion to dismiss as well as the motion 

for reconsideration. The court decided between ending the litigation or letting it continue. That is the conclusive decision 

which Moody says should not stand. 

2. Issue decided is important and separate from the merits. The 

First Amendment right against government intrusion and entanglement in religion is undoubtedly important and is “conceptually distinct” from Garrick’s Title VII claims. Not only is 

the right “capable of review without extensive examination of 

the underlying merits of the case,” Montano v. City of Chicago, 

375 F.3d 593, 598–99 (7th Cir. 2004), it seeks to prevent such 

entangling merits examination. That is because the church autonomy doctrine is a “broad principle” that both guarantees a 

religious group’s “independence in matters of faith and doctrine and in closely linked matters of internal government,” 

Our Lady of Guadalupe, 140 S. Ct. at 2061, and sets the federal 
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judiciary’s “independent” obligation to avoid entanglement 

in “religious controversy.” Tomic, 442 F.3d at 1042. 

Once again, Garrick and my colleagues misunderstand the 

issue that is separate from the merits of the action. As explained above, the conclusive decision is whether Moody’s 

First Amendment right to church autonomy applies to Garrick’s second amended complaint, not whether Moody’s 

stated reason for firing Garrick is pretext. I agree that the latter is not separate from the merits of a Title VII claim—it is the 

merits of such a claim. See Coleman v. Donahoe, 667 F.3d 835, 

845 (7th Cir. 2012) (explaining methods of proof for discrimination claim, including role of pretext evidence). But that is 

not the question presented to us here. 

3. Order is effectively unreviewable later in litigation. Moody 

correctly concludes that its First Amendment rights will be 

lost forever if appellate review is postponed. Adjudication 

will result in “onerous” burdens on church autonomy rights, 

including “depositions of fellow ministers and the search for 

a subjective motive behind the alleged hostility,” all of which 

“impermissibly requires ‘intrusion into a religious thicket.’” 

Demkovich, 3 F.4th at 981, 983 (quoting Milivojevich, 426 U.S. at 

719). The church autonomy doctrine provides religious organizations immunity from not only an adverse adjudication, 

but from the judicial process. If this court does not hear this 

issue on interlocutory appeal, Moody will be irreparably 

harmed. This court should exercise jurisdiction under the collateral order doctrine. 

C

We should see this case for what it is—Garrick and Moody 

profess different views of Christianity and how that faith 
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should be taught. Even before she filed suit, Garrick claimed 

that is why Moody fired her. And on that ground, Moody 

must defend itself and its decisions. 

Written and oral discovery will unavoidably implicate the 

parties’ religious differences. Their beliefs will be scoured for 

evidence on the topic of pretext. To properly represent their 

clients, attorneys for each party will have to delve into many 

religious topics: 

x Garrick’s beliefs as to Moody’s doctrinal statement 

on complementarian Christianity, which was incorporated into the faculty contract she signed three 

times; 

x Moody’s knowledge about Garrick’s egalitarian religious beliefs and her disagreements with the 

school’s complementarian religious beliefs, including before hiring her; 

x Whether Moody appropriately relied on Garrick’s 

affirmation of the school’s doctrinal statement as 

proof of complementarian beliefs; 

x Garrick’s advocacy at the school for egalitarian rather than complementarian Christianity; 

x Garrick’s view of the gender roles in Christian ministry; 

x Whether Moody’s complementarian religious beliefs have changed before, during, or after Garrick’s 

employment at the school; 

as well as other matters evincing religious differences between the parties. It is not possible to litigate this case without 

touching religious topics and questions. 
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After the parties explain and defend their differing views 

of Christianity during discovery, summary judgment motions 

will follow. Then the courts will face the dispositive question: 

can Moody end the employment of a teacher whose religious 

views differ from those of the school? 

The district court thought that whether Moody’s religious 

beliefs supplied a reasonable basis to terminate Garrick need 

not be reached. Discovery would merely examine whether 

Moody’s religious beliefs were a pretext for sex discrimination. 494 F. Supp. 3d at 576–79. But there is no way to decide 

whether termination is based on different religious beliefs—

or whether those beliefs are pretextual—without exploring 

what those religious beliefs are: what they entail, their contours, how they differ, and more. 

A district court cannot monitor this case through its life 

cycle without entering the field of religious controversy. This 

will threaten a faith-based school’s autonomy over its affairs 

and its authority to shape and control how and what it 

teaches. 

The district court correctly recognized this in its first decision on Moody’s motion to dismiss. Garrick’s second 

amended complaint was sanitized of some religious terms,10

but her claims remained essentially the same.11 In all material 

respects, this is the same lawsuit before and after the district 

10 Even after repleading, the second amended complaint mentions 

egalitarian Christianity five times (Dkt. 97 ¶¶ 20, 85, 89, 93, 96) and complementarian Christianity and Garrick’s Christian beliefs once each (Dkt. 

97 ¶ 96 and ¶ 20). 

11 Eleven of Garrick’s thirteen allegations of discrimination in the second amended complaint were in her first amended complaint. 
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court’s decision on Moody’s first motion to dismiss. Regardless of how Garrick attempts to purge religious language from 

her complaint, the record shows how her claims implicate 

church autonomy, and thus why an interlocutory appeal here 

is proper. A fundamental right like church autonomy, as 

found in the First Amendment Religion Clauses, should not 

turn on a pleading game. 

For my colleagues, “[c]ourts may exercise authority when 

the resolution does not require inquiry into doctrinal disputes.” Supra at 13. This begs the question, though, as to when 

and how the court inquires into religious doctrine. The majority opinion says the district court “rightly noted” that the second amended complaint alleges gender discrimination “apart 

from any doctrinal disagreements.” Supra at 15 n.6. But as 

demonstrated above, the factual background and procedural 

history here evidence a deep and abiding religious disagreement between Garrick and her avowed egalitarian Christianity and Moody's institutional complementarian Christianity. 

That fundamental dispute underpins Garrick’s complaints 

about her employment and Moody’s defense of its decisions 

and actions. Why she was terminated—the subject of discovery and trial—turns on this disagreement. 

It follows that we have jurisdiction here to review the district court’s collateral orders implicating church autonomy. 

Like with qualified immunity, interlocutory review on questions of church autonomy should not depend on a district 

court’s discretionary call on whether to certify its order for interlocutory appeal under § 1292(b). Notwithstanding similar 

employment disputes, in Demkovich the district court allowed 

an interlocutory appeal under § 1292(b). 3 F.4th at 974. Yet 

here, the district court did not. This stark contrast shows the 
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need for categorical review of church autonomy decisions, including in this case. 

Moody and other religious entities and organizations are 

not entitled to complete immunity from suit. Rather, they may 

be entitled to immunity when church autonomy questions 

about religious doctrine are at issue. If Garrick fell on school 

property, or a car crashed into her vehicle in the school parking lot, nothing would prevent her from suing the school in 

tort. Or if Garrick bought personal property from Moody and 

they disputed that transaction, she could certainly sue the 

school for breach of contract. Church autonomy is not implicated in any of those types of actions. But when Garrick sues 

a religious school claiming she was fired because she and 

Moody profess different Christian tenets, that places how the 

parties understand and live out their faiths—including their 

religious differences—at the center of that lawsuit and subject 

to discovery and trial. 

Appellate jurisdiction exists here under the collateral order doctrine. Because the majority opinion concludes it does 

not and declines to reach the merits, I do not reach the merits 

either. 

For the reasons given above, I respectfully dissent from 

the dismissal of this appeal for lack of jurisdiction.