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## HEARIN G DOCKE T ) Civi l Penalt yActio n ) DM S No . 200p084 3 Thursday , Marc h11 , 201 0
13 1 E . 4t hStree t Courtroom14 9 Davenport , Iowa Th e above-entitle d matte r cam e o nfo r hearin g pursuan t t o notic e a t th e hou r o f 9:0 0 o'cloc k a.m . BEFORE : Richar d C . Goodwi n

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### APPEARANCES : O nBehal f o f th e Agency : MARK G . CAMACHO , ES Q Senio r Enforcemen t Attorne y FA ARegiona l Counse l 90 1 Locust , Room50 6 Kansa s City , Missour i 6410 6 (816 ) 329-376 5

O nBehal f o f th e Responden t JOE YD . WARDLE , Pr o se . 130 1 Sout h15t hStree t Burlington , Iowa 5 2 60 1

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 PROCEEDING S (9:0 2a.m. ) JUDG E GOODWIN : Counsel , wil l yo u identif yyoursel f fo r th e record ?

MR . CAMACHO : Mar k Camacho , Senio r Enforcemen t Attorney , Federa l Aviatio n Administratio nCentra l Region , Kansa s City , Missour i JUDG E GOODWIN : An d sir , d o yo u
wan t t o identif yyoursel f fo r th e record , please ? MR . WARDLE : Yes , Joe yWardle .

JUDG E GOODWIN : It' s pronounce d Wardle ? MR . WARDLE : Yes .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Pleas e b e seated . Okay , thi s i s the , jus t fo r th e record , thi s i s th e cas e o f th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio nagains t Joe yWardle , W-a-r-d-1-e .

Th e FAADocke t Numbe r I S CP09CE0003 , an dth eDocke t Managemen t

Syste m

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 N\mbe r i s a t 2009-0843 . Mr . Camacho , d o yo u

hav e a nopening ?

MR . CAMACHO ; W e hav e preliminar ymatte r tha t I' d lik e t o addres s wit hyou . Judge , befor e w e start . I f yo u wil l loo k a t ou r complain t o npag e tw o a t th e bottom , righ t abov e th e praye r i nparagrap h two , i t woul d b e sectio n III , you'l l se e th e citatio nt o th e statut e 46301 .

4630 1 ha s two subsection s tha t ente r play , on e fo r $11,00 0 whic hi s A5 , and
on e fo r $1,10 0 fo r individuals , whic hi s Al . Thi s particula r complain t cite s t o $11,00 0 fo r regulatoryviolation . Tha t i s a n error . I t i s t o b e rea d as , and I' d lik e t o d o a pe n and in k chang e and amend i t i f I ca n - - th e cour t t o rea d $1,100 .

$1,10 0 i s th e appropriat e su m and whethe r thi s wa s don e typographicall yo r i t
wa s don e b

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p error , o r a n erro r o nth e par t o f m e t o doubl e check , tha t i s th e correc t amoun t tha t shoul d b e cited . And i n

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fact , i f I ha d don e a bette r job , I shoul d

hav e cite d a s 4630 1 A l subsection .

JUDG E GOODWIN : OkayMr . Wardle , th e FA Aha s aske d t o amend th e complaint , th e substanc e o f which , it' s a statutorycitation . Th e wa yth e complain t i s written , th e statutorymaximu

mwoul d b e $11,000 . They'r e seeking t o amend tha t t o $1,100 .

Now , yo u obviousl yhav e a righ t t o object . W e coul d adjour n her e and w e coul d
come bac k i f you'r e prejudiced , o r yo u ma y hav e some objectio na s t o th e amoun t o f th e fine , whic hI woul d think yo u woul d no t sinc e th e erro r seem s t o b e t o you r benefit .

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y allowin g th e amendmen t t o th e complain t reducing th e fin e from a potentia l o f $11,00 0 t o th e amoun t o f $1,100 ?

MR . WARDLE : I d o hav e a question . You r Honor . JUDG EGOODWIN : Ye s

MR
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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 month s I hav e bee nstresse d ou t t o th e fac t

tha t i t wa s $11,00 0 and no t $1,10 0 becaus e o f somebod ytha t mad e a mistake ? JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , I can' t addres s tha t issue . It' s clearl ya n erro r i n th e pleading . Th e complain t stand s fo r itself . Th e purpos e o f a complain t i s t o pu t o nnotic e o f th e charge s agains t you , and a s a par t o f tha t th e potentia l fine , o r th e allegation s agains t you .

Th e substanc e o f th e allegation s hav e no t changed . Th e onl ything tha t th e FA A seek s t o chang e i s th e amoun t o f fin e tha t the ywoul d request .

MR . WARDLE : And i f I don' t accep t tha t the ni t goe s bac k t o th e $11,000 ?

JUDG E GOODWIN : Wel l no , yo u hav e a righ t t o sa

ytha t yo u object . I mak e th e decisio na s t o whethe r i t woul d b e allowe d o r
n o t

Honor , MR
. WARDLE : Okay , Iobjec t You r

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , I' mgoin g t o

allo wth e amendmen t sinc e i t error s t o th e benefi t o f th e respondent . Mr . Camacho , an y othe r preliminar ymatters ?

MR . CAMACHO : Onl ytha t I , s o th e
recor d i s clear , m yunderstandin g tha t i t i s
ou r purpos e toda yher e i s t o addres s sanctio n
an d sanctio nonl ybase d o nth e rulin g tha t you'v e alread ymad e i nthi s case . S o m y inten t i s t o provid e testimon yand/o r evidentiar ysuppor t fo r tha t proposition .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . MR . CAMACHO : I woul d sequeste r any , I as k t o invok e th e rul e o f sequestratio n i f ther e i s an ywitnesse s Mr . Wardl e ha s an d i s goin g t o pu t o nothe r tha nhimself . obviously . JUDG E GOODWIN ; No wMr . Wardle , ar e yo u goin g t o hav e an yothe r witnesse s beside s yourself ?

MR . WARDLE : No , You r Honor , JUDG E GOODWIN ; Al l right . Th e

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 sequestratio no f witnesses , Mr . Wardle , woul d

normall yappl yi f ther e wer e multipl e witnesses . Th e purpos e i s that , yo u know , yo u obviousl ydon' t wan t peopl e sitting behind yo u wh o ar e going t o liste nt o testimon yand the n us e tha t t o possibl ychang e thei r own testimony . S o th e purpos e i s t o mak e sur e tha t eac hwitnes s i s isolated . Yo u obviousl y hav e th e righ t t o b e i nth e hearin g becaus e it' s you r hearing . Th e FA Aha s a righ t t o hav e a principa l witnes s si t a t th e tabl e wit h thembecaus e Mr . Camach o wil l no t b e testifying . So , bu t a s a n exampl e i f yo u ha d brough t severa l othe r peopl e wit hyou , i f yo u ha d severa l othe r individual s the ywoul d al l b e aske d t o step outsid e and wai t i n th e lobby . So , sinc e apparentl yth e onl y witnesse s ar e th e witnes s tha t yo u hav e a t th e table , Mr . Camacho , and Mr . Wardl e say s h e ha s

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sequestratio nwit hth e understandin g tha t there' s nobod yt o sequester .

MR . CAMACHO ; Understood , You r Honor .

tha t on e JUDG E GOODWIN : S o I can' t los e o n

MR . CAMACHO : I' mgoin g t o waiv e openin g an d jus t cal l m yfirs t witnes s i f I may , JUDG E GOODWIN : Firs t witnes s wil l approac han d tak e th e stand .

MR . CAMACHO : I cal l Aviatio n Safet yInspecto r Donal d Wood , please .

JUDG E GOODWIN : No wMr . Wardle , thi s i s a forma l hearin g s o th e FAAwil l pu t
o nthei r witness . You'l l hav e a righ t t o as k question s o f th e witnes s abou t th e witness ' testimony . Afte r th e FAAha s complete d thei r
case , you'l l hav e a righ t t o pu t o na cas e i f yo u wan t t o whic hca ninclud e you r ow n testimon yi f yo u wan t t o giv e it .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 No wI understan d thi s i s a civi l

penalt ycas e s o al l we'r e her e abou t toda yi s th e FAAi s askin g fo r th e impositio no f a civi l penalty . I ma y- - t o a determinatio na s t o whethe r it' s appropriat e an d i f so , ho w much . Al l right ?

Sir , wil l yo u rais e you r righ t hand ? DONAL D WOOD , calle d a s a witnes s herein , havin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn , wa s examine d an d testifie d a s follows :

seated . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , pleas e b e

DIREC T EXAMINATIO N JUDG E GOODWIN : Now , woul d yo u stat e you r nam e fo r th e recor d an d spel l you r firs t an d las t name ?

TH E WITNESS : Nam e i s Donal d Ra e Wood . Firs t nam e D-o-n-a-l-d , las t nam e W-o
o-d . JUDG

EGOODWIN : Oka ybefor eh e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 starts , Mr . Wardl e I hav e a rul e i n thes e

case s tha t I as k th e witnesses , and thi s woul d als o appl yt o you , t o obviousl ystat e thei r ful l nam e and spel l thei r firs t and las t name . Afte r tha t I woul d prefe r tha t non e o f th e witnesses , including yourself , provid e persona l information , date s o f birth , socia l securit ynumbers . I f it' s a n integra l par t o f th e testimony , I wil l sea l th e record .

Th e reaso n I d o tha t i s everythin g tha t w e d o get s poste d i n regulations.go vi n Documen t Managemen t System . Whic hmean s i f yo u go t o n it , i f w e pu t i t i n th e documen t you r dat e o f birt hand you r hom e phon e numbe r and hom e addres s and socia l securit ynumber , that' s going t o b e o n th e internet . An d i n today' s environmen t I don' t think that' s appropriate .

I t applie s certainl yt o al l th e FA Aand governmen t witnesses . I t als o applie s t o yo u and an

ywitnesse s tha t yo u migh t have . And Mr . Camacho , I' mgoin g t o as k

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 yo u a s w e g o through , i f ther e ar e an y

document s tha t appea r t o hav e an ypersona l informatio n o f an yo f th e witnesses , includin g Mr . Wardle , we'l l redac t thos e befor e w e pu t thos e int o evidence , an d i ncas e yo u forgot , I alway s brin g a permanen t blac k magi c marke r
s o tha t w e ca nredact .

MR . CAMACHO : Than k you . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , witnes s wit h you . B YMR . CAMACHO ;

Than k you . Woul d yo u please . you'v e alread ystate d you r nam e fo r th e record , wher e ar e yo u employe d sir ? ATh e De s Moine s Fligh t Standard s Distric t Office . Q I nwha t capacity ? AI a ma nAviatio nSafet yInspector . Q An d ar e yo u a nai r worthines s o r
a noperation s safet yinspector ? AOperation s safet yinspector . JUDG E GOODWIN : I' mgoin g t o as k

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 yo u t o kee p you r voic e up . I'v e go t a legitimat e hearin g disability .

TH E WITNESS : Yes , sir . I'l l d o it . JUDG E GOODWIN : An d I ca npu t m y wif e o nt o testif yt o tha t bu t I don' t think you' d wan t t o hea r it . B YMR . CAMACHO : Q Inspecto r Wood , ho wlong hav e yo u bee nemploye d wit hth e FAA ? ATw o years , fiv e months . Q And i n you r capacit ya s a safet y inspector , wha t ar e you r dutie s and responsibilities , briefly ? Tel l th e Judg e s o h e ha s a sens e o n th e operation s sid e ho wtha t differ s fromthei r witness . A Tak e car e o f pilo t certificatio n issues , acciden t investigation , complain t investigation . Ensur e regulatoryguidanc e i s availabl e t o th e flying communit yand als o disseminat e th e informatio n t o th e flying communit yand hel p educat e themo n regulatory

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 guidance .

Q D o yo u hol d an ycertificate s issue d t o yo u byth e Administration ? AI do . Q Wha

t ar e those , please ? AAirlin e transpor t pilo t certificat e an

dals o afligh t

instructo r certificate . Q Ho wmanyhour s and i n wha t aircraf t hav e yo u bee ni n rate d in ? AI'v

e go t i n exces s o f 14,00 0 hour s and I' mtyp e rated , whic hi s pilo t and captai n qualifie d i nDC-9 , Boeing 757 , Boein g 767 , and th e Boein g 777 . Q A s yo u wer e coming up a s i t wer e i nth e rank s from

privat e pilo t t o commercia l pilo t a s a n AT P holder , di d yo u lear n t o operat e aircraf t i n genera l aviatio n typ e aircraf t o r di d yo u g o t o schoo l and star t righ t i no nlarg e aircraft ? A 

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l aviatio naircraf t wa s m y start .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . Wha t typ e woul d thos e be ?

AWa r birds . Pipe r J 3 Cub s and Cessn a aircraf t and Pipe r aircraft , singl e engin e and mult i engine . Q Prio r t o coming o n wit hth e FA A two year s and four month s ago , fiv e month s ago ' Fiv e month s ag o Q Fiv e month s ago , di d yo u hav e an y experienc e i nth e aviatio n industry . AYe s sir , 2 7 years . Q And i nwha t capacitie s di d yo u serve ? Wa s i t military , civilia no r a mixtur e o f both ? A

yo u had ? Civilian ,

And wha t typ e o f experience s hav e

AA s a studen t pilot , worke d m ywa y up t o a privat e pilo t and the n commercia l pilot , and ultimatel ya nairlin e transpor t pilot . I'v

e bee na figh t instructor . I'v e been , serve d a s a firs t office r fo r many

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 airline s an d a captain , an d worke d m ywa yu p

t o a ninstructo r pilo t an d chec k airman , an d chie f pilo t o f tw o larg e 12 1 carriers . Q Whe nw e tal k abou t 121 , s o th e
recor d i s clear , i s tha t referenc e t o a Federa l Aviatio nregulatio npart ?

I t i s I t woul d b e a Titl e 1 4 Cod e o f Federa l Regulation s par t 121 . Q An d tha t addresse s wha t typ e o f operation s i ncontras t t o others ? APrimaril ylarg e aircraf t commercia l operations . Q Wha t w e woul d commonl yrefe r t o a s passenge r ai r carrie r operations ? AThat' s correct . Q Delta , United , Southwest , i s tha t correct ? ASimila r names , ye s sir . Q Ar e yo u familia r wit hultr a ligh t vehicles ? I am .



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 eve r operat e themyourself ?

AI hav e indeed . Q Hav e yo u ha d occasio nt o eve r own on e yourself ? ANo , sir . Q Yo u investigate d th e cas e tha t w e ar e her e abou t agains t Mr . Wardle , m y apologies . Mr . Wardle . I s tha t correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q I nth e cours e o f you r investigatio nyo u als o spok e t o th e complainin g polic e officer , i s tha t right ? ATha t i s correct . Q And hi s nam e is , correc t m e i f I' m wrong . Office r Ring o Covert ? ATha t i s correct . Q Okay . You'r e familia r wit hth e complain t and th e allegation s tha t ar e se t ou t i nth e complaint , i s tha t correct ? AI a

mfamiliar , ye s sir . Q And you'v e rea d them befor e coming int o cour t today ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AI did .

Q T o refres hyou r memory ? I explaine d t o yo u tha t we'r e onl yher e t o tal k abou t sanction s bu t I wan t t o as k yo u a few question s s o tha t th e recor d i s clea r and th e Judg e ha s you r inpu t a s t o th e consideration s fo r sanction .

Le t m e addres s firs t thes e
concern s I n th e cours e o f you r investigation , wha t i f anything di d yo u lear n abou t Mr . Wardl e and holdin g a privat e pilo t certificat e whic hi s on e o f th e firs t allegation s se t ou t i n th e complain t i n subparagrap hII ? AI t woul d hel p m e understand - - Q Wha t di d you , ca n yo u confirmwha t yo u discovere d abou t Mr . Wardle' s statu s a s a pilot ? Mr . Wardl e i s th e holde r o f a privat e pilo t certificate . Q And a s such , wha t i s i t tha t h e woul d hav e ha d t o underg o i nterm s o f

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 understandin g operation s o f aircraft ,

airspace , airports , lowflights , tha t sor t o f thing ? T o ear n th e privilege s o f a privat e pilot , Mr . Wardl e woul d hav e bee n introduce d t o regulatoryguidanc e and understand Federa l Aviatio n regulations . Q Wit hregar d t o bein g familia r wit h ai r spac e surrounding airports , th e prope r us e o f ai r space , th e nee d fo r clearances , communications , whe nh e coul d o r coul d no t fl y i ncertai ntyp e o f ai r spaces , woul d h e hav e ha d t o lear nabou t tha t a s a perso nwh o no w currentl yhold s a pilot' s certificate ? ATha t i s correct . H e woul d have . Q Woul d h e hav e bee n teste d o nthat ? AH e woul d have , ye s sir . Q Wha t i s th e relevanc e o f tha t fo r th e administratio n a s i t pertain s t o th e allegation s o f hi s operatio n o f a n ultraligh t i nclas s E ai r space ?

MR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Honor . Thi s i s fo r th e amoun t o f th e sanctio n

no t o f th e actua l incident , correct ?

JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , it' s background . I'l l overrul e you r objection . B YMR . CAMACHO ;

D o yo u wan t m e t o restat e i t o r d o

ARestat e th e - - Q Wha t i s th e significanc e o f th e training tha t Mr . Wardl e receive d i n hi s holdin g o f a privat e pilot' s certificat e a s i t pertain s t o th e operation s tha t wer e charge d her e i nterm s o f aggravatio n i n thes e circumstances ? Ca nyo u explai n i t t o th e Judge , th e concern ? ATh e concer n i s Mr . Wardle , a s th e holde r o f a privat e pilot' s certificat e shoul d hav e understoo d regulatoryguidanc e and ai r spac e and th e operatio n o f th e aircraf t withi n tha t ai r space . Q And ho wdoe s thi s impac t ai r safet ywhe ni t come s t o th e operatio n o f an

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ultraligh t i nclas s E airspace ?

ANo t onl yhi s ownsafet ybu t safet y i nother s i nth e flying community . Othe r aircraf t wer e als o endangere d byhi s operation . Q Whe nyo u looke d at , whe nyo u investigate d thi s cas e yo u discovere d tha t thi s aircraft , thi s ultraligh t wa s flow n i n fromth e north . I s tha t correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q And flewsout hthroughand int o and throughclas s E airspace , correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q Th e allegation s tha t hav e alread y bee nadmitte d i n thi s cas e involv e a n allegatio no f flying ove r a Walmart , correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q Ca nyo u tel l th e Judg e wher e th e Walmar t i s locate d relativ e t o th e fligh t pat h
o f on e o f th e runway s o f th e airpor t that' s i n thi s community ? ANearl ydirectl yo n th e departur e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 pat ho f on e o f th e runways .

Q Tha t woul d b e departur e and arriva l i f tha t wa s a n activ e runway , i s tha t correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q Dependin g o n whic hdirectio nth e flowwa s o f th e air ? AThat' s correct . Q A s par t o f you r investigation , di d yo u determin e ho wlong Mr . Wardle' s operatio n too k place ? AYes , w e did . Q Ho wlong wa s that ? A3 0 minutes . Q Woul d yo u conside r tha t a protracte d perio d o f time t o b e flying ove r a congeste d area ? AI would , ye s sir . Q Okay . Di d yo u determin e durin g you r investigatio n whethe r o r no t ther e ha d bee nan yaircraf t departing o r arrivin g i n th e airpor t i nth e airspac e i nwhic hMr . Wardl e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wa s operating ?

AYes , w e di d determine , Q Woul d yo u tel l th e Judge , please , wha t yo u found out ? APrio r t o Mr . Wardle' s operation , ther e ha d bee nth e necessit yo f a nai r me d fligh t departur e fromth e airpor t du e t o a traffi c acciden t i n th e area . Q Explai nt o th e Judg e pleas e th e concer nabou t th e allegatio n o f operating afte r sunse t and wha t th e impact s and implication s ar e fo r ai r safety . AOperation s afte r sunse t i n a n ultraligh t aircraf t ar e prohibite d du e t o th e inabilit yt o se e and b e seen . Withou t navigatio nlight s and prope r lighting t o hel p illuminat e th e target , i t make s i t difficul t i f no t impossibl e t o locat e aircraf t i nth e air . Q Wh o woul d be , wha t entit ywoul d b e th e entit ytha t woul d b e mos t vulnerabl e and susceptibl e t o endangermen t i nthi s kind o f

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 operatio nafte r sunset ?

ANo t onl yth e operato r o f th e aircraf t i nquestion , bu t othe r aircraf t tha t woul d operatio n withi n th e vicinit yof . Q Whil e operating i n clas s E airspac e a s Mr . Wardl e did , d o yo u kno wbase d
o nyou r investigatio nwhethe r o r no t h e wa s communicatin g wit hanybody ? AW e wer e abl e t o determin e ther e wa s n o communication . Q Woul d tha t leav e othe r pilot s susceptibl e the n t o no t knowin g wher e h e wa s a t o r th e fac t tha t th e ultraligh t wa s i n th e
area ? Absolutely , Q Okay . Ar e aircraf t departin g and landing i nactiv e runways , lik e th e runway you'v e suggested , I mea ntha t yo u testifie d t o i s i nth e fligh t pat ho f whic hwa s ove r th e wal l mark , ar e theyallowe d t o fl ylowfo r departur e and takeoff ? AI f th e necessit ybecome s a

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 requiremen t fo r th e operation , ye s the yare .

Q Woul d you , base d o nyou r opinio n base d o nyou r manyyear s o f experienc e and wit hregar d t o you r investigatio ni n th e fact s o f thi s case , conside r th e fac t tha t Mr . Wardl e hold s a privat e pilot' s certificate , woul d yo u hol d hi mt o a highe r standar d i n term s o f hi s understandin g o f th e requirement s fo r th e ultraligh t operation ? AYes , I would . Q Why ? Explai n t o th e Judg e whyyo u woul d d o that , whyyo u ha d tha t opinion . A Ther e ar e operator s o f ultraligh t aircraf t tha t hol d n o certificate . Th e aircraf t bydesign , i f i t meet s th e definitio n criteri a o f a n ultraligh t vehicl e actuall y require s n o certificat e t o operat e it .

However , t o operat e aircraf t tha t d o mee t th e requirement s and definitio n o f differen t type s o f airplane s require s pilot' s certificat e t o operat e them . And Mr . Wardle' s certificat e woul d hav e introduce d hi m t o th e

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1 rule s and regulation s require d t o operat e a 2 large r aircraft , on e tha t di d no t mee t th e 3 definitio no f a nultralight . 4 Howeve r thi s operation , although 5 i t di d no t requir e hi s certificate , stil l hi s 6 knowledg e o f th e rule s and regulation s and 7 wher e t o g o t o loo k and understandin g th e 8 availabilit yo f th e rule s and regulation s fo r 9 th e operatio nshoul d hav e bee n adhere d to . 1 0 Q Wha t i s th e concer n fo r th e 1 1 Administratio n abou t a fligh t o f thi s typ e a t 1 2 th e altitud e i n whic hthi s occurre d ove r a 1 3 congeste d are a a s allege d and admitte d t o i n 1 4 th e complaint , tha t i s 50 0 and somethin g fee t 1 5 abov e thes e variou s location s that' s se t ou t 1 6 i nth e complaint ? 1 7 ABydesign , th e regulation s requir e 1 8 altitude s o f saf e operatio n t o no t onl y 1 9 provid e safet yfo r th e operato r o f tha t 2 0 specifi c shi p bu t t o provid e safet yfo r th e 2 1 communitie s around and th e peopl e tha t ma yb e 2 2 o nth e ground . And operating belo wthos e saf e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 altitud e requirement s doe s jeopardiz e th e

safet yo f individual s o nth e ground . Q I s thi s compounde d byth e fac t tha t thes e operation s occurre d a t night ? AI t is . Yes , indeed . Q S o separat e and apar t fromth e concern s o f pilot s operating i n tha t spac e wit hn o communication s o nth e par t o f Mr . Wardl e througha radio , n o lighting fo r visibilit yand identificatio n o n th e par t o f th e pilo t i s concern s als o fo r th e peopl e o n th e ground i n th e area s ove r whic hh e ove r flew ? Q Lastly , woul d yo u pleas e tel l th e Judg e i nyou r investigatio ni f yo u ha d occasio nt o spea k with , I' mgoin g t o sa y deputy , m

yunderstandin g i s he' s a polic e officer , bu t m

yunderstandin g i s tha t he' s a deputy , and that' s Ring o Cover t wh o wa s th e complainan t and th e polic e office r tha t investigate d thi s inciden t preliminarily . Di d yo u hav e occasio n t o spea k wit hhim ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AI did , yes .

Q Di d yo u hav e occasio n t o revie w thi s polic e report ? AYes , I did . Q Base d o n that , wha t di d yo u lear n abou t th e event s tha t happene d immediatel y upo nth e contac t mad e byOffic e Cover t and th e comment s tha t wer e mad e byMr . Wardle ? AEssentiall yI learne d tha t thi s operatio nha d occurred . I t wa s witnesse d b y Office r Covert , and it' s apparentl ya repea t o f a noperatio n byMr . Wardle .

MR . WARDLE : Objection , You r Honor . That' s hearsay .

JUDG E GOODWIN : I didn' t hea r wha t - - MR . WARDLE : Honor . That' s hearsay .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Objection , You r

I t i s hearsay . Thi s i s a nadministrativ e hearin g and th e rule s o f evidenc e ar e relaxed . I migh t no t allo wi t i na cas e i nchie f bu t sinc e we'r e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 her e o npenalt yI wil l allo wit . I wil l admi t

th e statemen t int o evidenc e bu t you r objectio n wil l g o t o th e weigh t tha t I giv e i t whe n makin g a decision . Yo u don' t wan t t o g o fa r -

B YMR . CAMACH O

I understand . You r Hono r Wha t di d yo u lear nfrom officer , yo u investigate d th e cas e and yo u learne d fact s and yo u learne d informatio nfrom

Office r Covert , correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q And fromhi s writte n repor t tha t
wa s submitte d t o th e polic e department ? AYes , sir . Wha t wa s th e exchang e o f communicatio nbetwee n th e office r and Mr . Wardl e afte r thi s inciden t onc e h e wa s o n th e ground and Office r Cover t approache d him ? AWel l i n Office r Covert' s statemen t h e sai d tha t h e had , afte r witnessin g Mr . Wardl e land , h e ha d approache d him , identifie d himself . An d i nth e statemen t tha t Office r

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Cover t provide d h e sai d tha t I recognize d hi m

becaus e w e ha d spoke no n severa l previou s occasion s abou t hi mflying a t lo waltitudes . Q Wha t els e di d Mr . Cover t tel l Office r Covert ? AClosin g statemen t - - JUDG E GOODWIN : I think yo u nee d t o rephras e that . Yo u use d th e same nam e i n th e - - B YMR . CAMACH O Q Wha t els e di d Mr . Wardl e tel l Office r Cover t wit hregar d t o th e officer' s authorit yo r wha t h e coul d d o o r wha t h e couldn' t do ? ATh e closing statemen t byMr . Wardl e a s writte n i n Office r Covert' s statemen t was , wel l ther e i s nothin g tha t th e polic e ca nd o and there' s nothin g tha t th e FA A wil l do . S o I wil l b e bac k agai n tomorro w night . Q Ver ygood . Whe nw e tal k abou t tha t statemen t a s fa r a s th e importanc e o f

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 tha t statemen t fo r th e Administration , a s a n

investigato r and a s a pilo t and i n you r rol e a s a naviatio n safet yinspector , wha t d o w e tal k about ? Wha t i s th e concer nher e wit h regar d t o compliance ? AAcomplet e disregar d fo r complianc e o f authorit yand regulation , and th e inten t and th e conscientiou s decisio n t o d o a s Mr . Wardl e pleases , whe nh e please s and wher e h e pleases .

Ver ygood . I hav e n o furthe r questions . You r witness .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Wardle , d o yo u hav e an

yquestion s o f th e witnes s abou t hi s testimony ? MR . WARDLE : Yes , You r Honor ,

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . I f you'l l approac hthen ? B YMR . WARDLE : Q Mr . Wood , I wante d t o congratulat e yo u o nyou r hour s logged . I think that' s prett yimpressiv e and I env ytha t time .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Durin g you r cours e o f 14,00 0 hour s

logged , hav e yo u eve r flow na powere d paraglider ? ANo , sir . I hav e not . Q It' s m yunderstandin g tha t you'r e
a safet yoffice r also , tha t yo u educat e peopl e
o nth e prope r operatio no f aircraf t i n general ? ATha t i s correct . Q Wit hn o experienc e o f flyin g a paraglider , ho wcoul d yo u possibl yinstruc t somebod yho wt o fl yon e safely ? ABase d o nm yexperienc e a s a pilo t
an d a noperato r o f aircraft , yo u develo p a n understandin g o f an d a regar d fo r saf e operation s An d wha t i s saf e operations ? I' m sorry , that' s a genera l question . Le t m e as k this . A t an ypoin t i na landin g sequenc e woul d tha t b e considere d lo waltitude ? ACa nyo u stat e tha t on e again ? Q A t an ysequenc e - -

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : I thin k yo u nee d

t o mak e i t a littl e mor e clear .

MR . WARDLE : Okay . JUDG E GOODWIN : You'r e askin g whethe r somethin g woul d b e unsaf e bu t you'r e
no t sayin g wha t tha t somethin g is . B YMR . WARDLE : Q Durin g th e landin g o f an y aircraft , i s ther e an ypoin t a t whic hth e aircraf t i s a t a "lo waltitude" .

aircraft ? Ar e yo u talkin g abou t an y

An yaircraf t JUDG E GOODWIN : —ca n understan d it . B YMR . WARDLE : Q Wha t di d yo u say , excus e me ? AWit hth e inten t o f landing . Q Than k you . AI' mno t certai nI understand . Q No , yo u answere d i t ho wI neede d yo u to . Than k you . I n you r conversatio nwit h

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Office r Ring o Covert , di d h e happe nt o mentio n

tha t I ha d wo na cour t cas e agains t hi m fou r year s ago ? ATha t informatio nwa s provide d throug hth e Chie f o f Polic e durin g th e investigation . Q D o yo u believ e tha t thi s coul d b e possibl ya persona l vendetta ? AI' mno t certai nI' mprepare d t o discus s that . I investigate d thi s particula r
case . Q Okay . D o yo u thin k a nultraligh t pilot , a pilo t wh o flie s a powere d paraglide r i f wer e reckles s coul d obtai n160 0 hour s plu s
ove r a cours e o f si xyears ?

MR . CAMACHO : Speculation , You r Honor . Objection ,

answe r it . JUDG E GOODWIN : Oka yi f h e ca n

TH E WITNESS : Ca nyo u restat e th e questio nfo r m e please ? B YMR
. WARDLE ;

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Sure . A s a pilo t o f a powere d

paraglider , coul d a reckles s pilo t obtai n 160 0 hour s o na powe r para , coul d a reckles s pilo t obtai n160 0 hour s i na powere d paraglider ?

MR . CAMACHO ; You r Honor , we'l l stipulat e tha t a reckles s pilo t coul d obtai n tha t kind o f hours .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Mr . Wardle , th e FA Ai s stipulating tha t someon e wh o wa s reckles s coul d ge t 160 0 hours , so . B YMR . WARDLE : Q Yo u saytha t th e pat ho f whic hI too k wa s fromnort ht o south , i s tha t correct ? AThat' s correct . Q D o yo u kno wth e win d spee d o f tha t nigh t and wha t directio ni t wa s coming from ? AWel l I don' t of f th e top o f m y head , n o I t ma yb e provide d i n th e investigation . Q Okay , woul d a significan t hea d win d fo r an

yaircraf t delaytime t o a landing zone ?

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1 AYes , i t could . 2 Q Ar e yo u awar e tha t ther e i s a t 3 leas t a two acr e gras s fiel d nex t t o Walmar t 4 t o th e wes t and a cu t down cornfiel d t o th e 5 sout ho f Walmart ? 6 ADurin g th e time o f th e 7 investigatio nI believ e tha t wa s probabl y 8 correct . 9 Q Ar e yo u awar e tha t ther e i s many 1 0 ope nfield s and ope narea s ou t bytha t area ? 1 1 AI believ e that' s als o include d i n 1 2 th e informatio ni n th e investigation . 1 3 Q A t th e lowaltitud e tha t I wa s 1 4 quote d a t flying , d o yo u believ e tha t i f 1 5 anothe r aircraf t wa s i n tha t lo waltitud e tha t 1 6 woul d posses s mor e o f a proble mtha n I would ? 1 7 ATrytha t on e again . 1 8 Q Yo u sai d tha t I ha d flow n lo wove r 1 9 Walmart , correct ? 2 0 ATha t i s correct . 

### 2 1 Q D o yo u think tha t a t th e altitud e 2 2 tha t I wa s flying , i f anothe r aircraf t wa s i n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 tha t same ai r space , d o yo u believ e tha t ther e

woul d b e a significan t proble mwit hi t ove r me ? AWit hi t ove r you ? Q Wha t I' m

trying t o sayi s i f ther e wa s anothe r aircraf t i ntha t are a and i t wa s tha t low , ther e woul d b e a seriou s problem . AAbsolutely . Q Meanin g tha t anothe r aircraf t shouldn' t b e tha t low , a s I a mno t i nth e wa y of . Wha t I d o kno wi s Office r Cover t witnesse d yo u flying ove r a Walmar t and a t low altitud e i nai r spac e tha t yo u shoul d no t hav e bee nin . Q Gettin g prio r permissio n from airpor t official s abou t flying i n tha t area , i s tha t acceptable ? ATha t woul d b e on e acceptabl e wa y t o obtai npermission , yes . Q So , i f I ha d two airpor t official s o na several-yea r spa n giv e a n okay , woul d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 tha t b e acceptable ?

AI t ha s t o b e operatio n specific . Yo u woul d hav e t o specify . That' s th e inten t o f radi o communication , t o identif yyoursel f
and provid e positio n report s and communicat e wit hothe r aircraf t i n th e are a a t th e time . Q S o wha t you'r e saying wa s whe n I
wa s tol d wron g the ninitially , the n that' s m y responsibilit yt o kno wtha t the ywer e no t saying , giving m e th e correc t permission ? AI' mno t sur e I understand you r question . Q I ha d permissio n fromtwo airpor t official s ove r th e spa n o f th e si xyear s tha t I hav e flown . AFo r tha t operatio n tha t night ? Q No , no t specifically . AThat' s wha t I' msaying . Yo u nee d t o d o i t pe r operation . I t i s operatio n specific . Q Okay . 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 statemen t tha t say s an ytime yo u wan t t o d o tha t yo u ca nd o it . Q Well , lesso n learne d I guess . Educatio ni s no t cheap . You r Honor . I hav e a coupl e mor e questions , Mr . Wood . AMigh t I as k yo u a questio n along thos e lines ? I don' t kno wi f it' s appropriate . You r Honor .

JUDG E GOODWIN : No , he' s askin g th e questions . B YMR . WARDLE : Q Wha t kind o f damag e woul d a powere d paraglide r d o i f i t jus t fel l ou t o f th e sk yove r a Walmart ? AA s a n acciden t investigator , I don' t wan t t o ge t to o carrie d away . Bu t i t coul d d o significan t damage . Q Ar e yo u saying tha t th e law s o f physic s woul d jus t disappea r i n time fo r on e momen t and ai r woul d disappea r ou t o f th e canopyo f th e glider ? AI' msaying a s a n acciden t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 investigator , an d I'v e investigate d man y

accident s wit hth e agency , I' msayin g whe n thing s g o wron g it' s no t a prett ysight . Q Mr . Wood , I'v e ha d thre e engin e seizure s ove r th e cours e o f 1,60 0 hour s an d
no t on e singl e tim e o f tha t hav e I jus t falle n fro mth e sky .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Wardle , that' s testimony . I f that' s th e basi s o f a questio n I wil l allo wit . Otherwis e yo u shoul d reserv e fo r whe nyo u hav e a nopportunit yt o testify .

MR . WARDLE : Okay . N o furthe r questions . You r Honor .

JUDG E GOODWIN : An yredirect ? MR . CAMACHO : No , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Sir , yo u ma yste p dow nan d yo u ca nremai ni nth e courtroom , bu t I instruc t yo u tha t you'r e stil l unde r oat h unti l th e conclusio no f th e case .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Honor . W e res t o nth e sanctio naspec t o f

this . JUDG E GOODWIN : Al l righ t No w Mr . Wardle , i s ther e an ytestimon yo r evidenc e tha t yo u woul d lik e t o present ?

MR . WARDLE : Yes , You r Honor . D o I nee d t o approac hthe ?

JUDG E GOODWIN : Wel l i f yo u wan t t o testif yI' mgoin g t o as k yo u t o com e i nan d rais e you r righ t hand .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 respondent , I wil l giv e yo u a littl e bi t o f

latitude . Bu t I wil l als o giv e Mr . Camach o simila r latitud e i nhi s cros s examination . S o i f there' s anything tha t yo u woul d lik e t o tel l th e cour t abou t thi s incident , pleas e fee l fre e t o d o so .

MR . WARDLE : Yes , You r Honor . I woul d lik e t o star t of f wit hth e quot e tha t Mr . Woo d said , tha t I ha d th e conversatio n wit hOffice r Ringo . I remembe r wha t I sai d 1 5 month s ag o and I woul d lik e t o tel l yo u exactl ywha t i t wa s tha t I said .

I ha d tol d Mr . Ring o tha t h e ha d gotte nm e remove d fromsevera l othe r landing spot s tha t wer e eve nfurthe r ou t int o th e countrybecaus e o f th e cour t cas e tha t I wo n agains t him .

I als o tol d hi mtha t ther e wasn' t anythin g tha t h e coul d do , and i f h e wante d t o d o something h e woul d hav e t o notif yth e FAA , whic hi ntur n h e did . I t wasn' t tha t th e FA Acouldn' t d o anything . I wa s tire d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 o f bein g harasse d byhim . Fo r instance , th e many conversation s tha t h e sai d h e ha d wit hme , on e o f themwa s si xofficer s surrounde d m e whe nI lande d ou t a t th e colleg e i n th e bac k fiel d and harasse d m e abou t flying ove r th e ammunition s plant , whic hI didn' t fl yove r and whic hi nfact , i s no t a n o fl yzon e and hasn' t bee nfo r 2 0 years .

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ma responsibl e pilot . I d o fl yand respec t th e rule s and regulations . I ha d I no t I wouldn' t hav e accrue d ove r 1,60 0 hours .

I a msur e tha t thi s storyyo u hav e hear d fromhi mha s bee npadde d slightl y du e t o a persona l vendetta . Thi s landing afte r dar k wa s a mistake . Bu t i t wasn' t intentional . Ther e wa s a headwind tha t force d m e to , yo u know , I don' t kno wwher e els e t o land i n th e dar k bu t a familia r place . An d landing i na familia r plac e i s

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 als o essentiall yunsafe . It' s a s saf e a s

yo u wan t t o mak e flyin g an d d o I fee l lik e I
wa s a dange r ove r Walmart ? Absolutel ynot .

I f I ra nou t o f ga s ove r Walmar t I coul d hav e lande d i na nempt yparkin g spot . It' s no t difficul t whe nyo u hav e 1,60 0 hour s o f fligh t experience .

I thin k th e original civi l penalt yo f $22,000.0 0 fo r someon e who' s bee n lai d of f fo r si xmonth s an d ha s ha d t o stres s ou t abou t tha t fac t fo r ove r a yea r i s absurd . I don' t kno who wth e FAAsleep s
a t nigh t makin g somebod yworr yabou t somethin g lik e that .

Mayb e i f I ha d a vas t amoun t o f
resource s t o wast e I coul d hav e ha d tw o lawyer s i nher e wit hme . Bu t I don't . I thin k it' s a gros s wast e o f tim e an d th e government' s resources .

That' s al l I have . You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Wh ydon' t yo u tel l m e a littl e bi t abou t th e flight . Yo u

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1 sugges t tha t yo u ra n int o a hea d win d and 2 tha t delaye d yo u getting back . Wher e di d 3 yo u star t from ? 4 MR . WARDLE : I starte d fromth e 5 same spo t wher e I lande d behind Hors e and 6 Hound . It' s a countrystor e and I hav e 7 permissio nt o tak e of f fromthei r bi g gras s 8 field . I flewou t ove r th e college , ou t t o 9 th e countryt o m yparent s hous e wher e I 1 0 usuall yfl yaround . 1 1 I don' t kno wanybod you t i n th e 1 2 countryt o tak e of f ou t there , otherwis e 1 3 that' s wher e I woul d be . Bu t I liv e i n 1 4 time . And I'v e bee n doing tha t fo r th e pas t 1 5 si xyears , You r Honor . 1 6 There' s usuall ywin d i n th e late r 1 7 evenin g and usuall yi t die s down . Bu t fo r 1 8 some reaso ntha t day , a fron t mus t hav e bee n 1 9 movin g i n o r al l kind s o f reasons , ther e wa s 2 0 a hea d win d an d I neede d t o g o bac k t o th e 

### 2 1 landing spot . That' s wher e myca r was . 2 2 S o I remaine d a t wha t I woul d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 conside r a saf e altitud e knowin g tha t i f an y poin t during th e approac hbac k t o th e landing spot , ther e woul d b e a plac e t o lan d i f something wer e t o g o wrong .

And m ybattl e o f wit s i f you' d cal l i t wit hOffice r Ring o i s ver ypersonal , hi mand I . I t ha s nothin g t o d o wit h disregardin g rule s o r regulations . It' s hi m personally . And i nfact , on e o f th e comment s tha t h e mad e t o m e whe n I lande d
wa s I' mgoing t o ge t thi s spo t take n away fromyo u too . And the n I said , wel l I alread yhav e permissio n fromStev e and Jennifer , and that' s th e poin t wher e h e starte d writin g m

ynam e downand information .

ADMINISTRATIVE JUDG E SMITH : D o yo u hav e a hig hschoo l education ?

MR . WARDLE : Yes , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u hav e a colleg e education ?

MR . WARDLE : Some . Some college .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : An d wha t di d yo u

d o befor e yo u go t lai d off .

MR . WARDLE : I worke d i na draftin g departmen t i nBurlington . I wa s hire d fo r maintenance , m ymaintenanc e abilit ya s wel l a s operatin g th e wate r jet .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Operatin g what ? MR . WARDLE : Awate r jet . JUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Camacho , d o yo u hav e an yquestions ? B YMR . CAMACHO : Q Mr . Wardle , immediatel yafte r I
sen t yo u a notic e o f propose d civi l penalt y i nthi s case , yo u hire d a lawye r an d ha d a lawye r b yth e nam e o f Nic k Rome r represen t you . Isn' t tha t a fact ? AYes . Q An d h e an d I spok e o nth e phon e
an d yo u requeste d a ninforma l conferenc e t o b e held , an d w e hel d a ninforma l conferenc e
an d h e wa s representin g you , an d h e i s fro m Tennesse e a s I understan d it . I s tha t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 right ?

Q Ye s And w e reache d a settlemen t agreemen t i nthi s cas e fo r $3,000.00 . ANo , w e di d not . Q Accordin g t o m ynote s and you r attorney' s communicatio n w e did , bu t that' s no t th e point . Th e poin t i s yo u di d hav e a representativ e o f lega l counsel . W e di d addres s thes e issues . W e addresse d th e particular s and w e reache d a settlemen t whe n tha t happened . ANo , w e di d not . Q Well , that' s no t wha t you r attorne ytol d you . Irrespectiv e o f whateve r hardship s you'v e ha d wit hOffice r Covert , thi s cas e i s no t abou t Office r Covert . It' s abou t you r action s i n a n ultraligh t and you r lowfligh t ove r a congeste d area . An d thos e fact s ar e no wdeeme d admitte d and ar e a matte r o f record .

And wha t you'r e telling th e Judg e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 i s tha t yo u ove r flewthi s are a a t 50 0 and

something fee t fo r 3 0 minute s becaus e yo u ha d a hea d wind , i s tha t it ? ANo , I di d no t sa yI fle wove r tha t are a fo r 3 0 minutes . Q Well , th e allegation s wer e the n th e officer' s testimon ywoul d hav e bee n ha d h e bee nher e today , and h e wa s prepare d t o com e todayt o testify , tha t h e observe d yo u overflying thi s are a fo r 3 0 minute s a t thi s altitud e and i n fac t - -

Q Wher e i s th e officer ? H e use d a specifi c machin e t o gag e you r altitude . Ar e yo u denyin g th e fac t tha t yo u overfle wthi s are a fo r tha t perio d o f time ? AI jus t sai d I di d no t fl yove r tha t are a fo r 3 0 minutes . I t wa s a straigh t lin e fligh t fromHors e and Hound directl yi n lin e wit hWalmart . I' mno t denyin g flying ove r Walmart . Q You'r e no t denyin g a lo wflight .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 i s tha t correct ?

AWhat' s you r definitio no f lo w flight , Mr . Camacho ? Q Ar e yo u denying flying a t 500

- something fee t ove r Walmart ? AA mI denyin g flying a t 500 ? Q Yes . ANo . Q Yo u wen t bac k t o th e plac e wher e you r ca r was , correct ? AYes . Q And wher e wa s tha t locate d at ? ABehind Hors e and Hound . Q S o you'r e saying yo u too k of f
nex t t o Walmar t and flewaround and the n lande d there ? AOh , I gues s i t depend s on . Hors e and Hound i s nex t t o Walmar t i f you'r e comparing to , yo u know , Iowa nex t t o Illinois . Q Yo u fle wth e aircraf t a t lo w fligh t ove r th e Walmar t are a and i n clas s E

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 airspac e a t night . An d yo u hol d a pilot' s

certificate , correct ? AYes . Q I hav e n o furthe r questions . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , Mr . Wardle , Yo u ca nste p down . Mr . Camacho , di d yo u
wan t t o argue ?

MR . CAMACHO : Yes . I' mgoin g t o giv e thi s t o you , Judg e an d as k yo u t o tak e judicial notic e o f it . Whe nyo u se e i t you'1 1 know ,

JUDG E GOODWIN : Show , ca nyo u sho wMr . Wardle ?

MR . CAMACHO : H e ha s a copy . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . MR . CAMACHO : It' s no t reall ya n exhibi t bu t jus t t o refres hyou r memory .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Ar e yo u implyin g tha t I no whav e short-ter mmemor ylos s becaus e o f m yage , Mr . Camacho ?

MR . CAMACHO : No , I thin k I' m olde r tha nyo u are . Judge . An d I ca ntel l

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 yo u tha t I don' t think that' s th e cas e o r I

wouldn' t b e doing thi s jo beither .

Th e poin t i s tha t I jus t wante d t o refres hyou r memor yand remind yo u tha t fiv e year s and four month s ag o yo u ha d occasio nt o hea r a cas e i n Californi a involving Mr . Davi d Siddall . And i n tha t
cas e Mr . Siddal l operate d of f o f Kit e Hil l
a nultraligh t along wit hon e o f hi s buddie s and the yoverfle wtwo particula r highways . On e wa s called , i t wa s i n Lagun a - - California , on e o f th e highway s wa s referre d t o a s Alici a Parkwayand th e othe r Alis o Cree k Road . Mr . Siddal l admitte d t o flying ove r Alici a Parkwaybu t denie d th e Alis o Cree k Road , And i ntha t particula r cas e yo u ha d th e testimon

yo f a polic e office r wh o arrive d a t th e scene , observe d it , th e flights , fo r abou t five t o te nminutes . And th e sanctio ntha t wa s bein g sought , ther e wer e onl ytwo regulatoryviolation s tha t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wer e bein g sough t a t th e time and tha t wa s

th e lowfligh t ove r a congeste d are a and the , wel l I woul d say , th e i ntandem creating hazar d t o othe r person s o r property . S o it' s 103.1 5 and 103.9 .

Thos e wer e th e onl ytwo regulation s and $2,20 0 wa s bein g sough t a s a sanctio ni ntha t instance . Yo u reduce d th e sanctio nby$950.0 0 becaus e i nyou r finding s yo u determine d tha t althoughMr . Siddal l debate d th e issu e o f whethe r o r no t h e actuall ycrosse d ove r Alis o Creek , denyin g tha t h e had , a s a matte r o f credibilit y determinatio nyo u credite d Deput yDank' s testimony , And yo u indicate d a s i s note d i n paragraph , i nth e second paragrap ho n pag e three , I I i nyou r decision , and thi s wen t u p o nappea l t o th e decisio nmake r a t th e time bac k i nOctobe r o f 2 008 , yo u credite d tha t testimon

yand yo u explaine d th e reductio n indicating tha t no t withstandin g Mr .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Siddall' s denia l tha t th e fact s wer e going

t o fal l o n th e sid e o f Deput yDank' s testimon

yand tha t th e reductio nwa s give n becaus e th e action , i t happene d ver yquickl y and wa s incidenta l to , i t wa s momentar yand incidenta l t o crossing Alis o Cree k Road .

Mr . Siddal l too k thi s up o n appea l and debate d whethe r Deput yDank' s coul d hav e see n thi s becaus e o f th e reporte d perio d o f time o f arrival , h e couldn' t possibl yhav e see n it . H e state d o n appea l h e didn' t hav e enoughtime t o se e thi s crossing ove r a congeste d area , etcetera . etcetera , And the nultimatel ya determinatio nwa s mad e tha t th e representatio n o f Mr . Siddal l wer e unfounde d tha t i n fac t th e office r ha d testifie d tha t he' d see nthi s aircraf t operat e fo r fiv e t o te nminute s Th e fact s o f thi s cas e ar e no t i n dispute . They'v e bee n admitte d a s a matte r

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1 o f law . An d th e realit yi s tha t thi s 2 aircraf t ha s twic e th e problems , I' msorry , 3 thi s vehicl e ha s twic e th e numbe r o f 4 regulatoryviolation s whic hunde r th e 5 amendmen t o f th e complain t todayi n th e 6 appropriat e subsectio n o f th e cite d statut e 7 woul d expos e Mr . Wardl e t o a $4,400.0 0 civi l 8 penalty . 9 Th e Agenc yha s opte d t o pursu e 1 0 th e $3,000.0 0 civi l penalt yi n ligh t o f 1 1 prio r discussion s wit hcounse l and th e 1 2 understandin g reache d tha t i t wa s a 1 3 settlemen t tha t ultimatel yfel l out . An d 1 4 that' s Mr . Wardle' s right . 1 5 Bu t regardless , th e poin t wa s a t 1 6 th e momen t o f th e informa l conference s and 1 7 following discussions , a n understandin g wa s 1 8 reache d betwee ncounsel . A s t o wha t wa s 1 9 communicate d betwee nhi s counse l and Mr . 2 0 Wardle , I' mno t priv yto . Bu t a s a matte r 2 1 o f equit yand fai r pla yI pursue d thi s 2 2 particula r civi l penalt yi n ligh t o f thos e

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. 2 S o w e hav e fou r particularl y 3 toug hsituation s fo r Mr . Wardle . Numbe r 4 one , you'v e go t a n ai r operatio nalbei t 5 throug ha vehicl e ove r a congeste d are a o f a 6 smal l community , no t jus t a Walmart , bu t a s 7 th e allegation s ar e se t out , there' s a 8 numbe r o f differen t store s i n th e area . 9 Numbe r two , an d althoug hno t 1 0 allege d I woul d sa yt o yo u a s a n offe r o f 1 1 proof , an d I kno wthi s i s argumen t s o it' s 1 2 no t reall yevidence , bu t a s a n offe r o f 1 3 proo f ha d th e deput ycom e her e an d 1 4 testified , h e woul d hav e testifie d tha t h e 15 use d a n instrumen t tha t i s aki nt o a rada r 1 6 gun , an d th e estimate d altitud e wa s actuall y 1 7 sho t wit hthi s instrument . An d h e woul d 1 8 hav e attes t t o tha t i n grea t detai l an d 1 9 explaine d ho wi t functioned , etcetera . S o 2 0 i t wasn' t a n eyebal l estimate . 2 1 Numbe r two , i t occurre d a t night . 2 2 Numbe r three , th e reaso ntha t

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1 thi s i s significan t i s becaus e occurrin g a t 2 nigh t i t als o occurre d a t th e end o f on e o f 3 th e runway s a t th e airport . Th e approac h 4 and departur e o f tha t runway , Walmar t i s 5 righ t i nlin e wit hth e fligh t path . 6 Numbe r four , i t i s i n prohibite d 7 airspace . H e simpl ycanno t operat e a n 8 ultraligh t i ntha t airspace , period . 9 Ther e ar e four regulatory 1 0 violation s here . W e hav e endangermen t o f 1 1 peopl e o nth e ground . W e hav e endangermen t 1 2 o f peopl e i nth e air . Wha t Mr . Wardl e 1 3 doesn' t seem t o ge t no t withstandin g hi s 1 4 testimon

yabou t havin g 160 0 hour s i s tha t 1 5 acquirin g 160 0 hour s ha s absolutel yn o valu e 1 6 i f h e doesn' t ge t th e importanc e o f ai r 1 7 safety . 1 8 And wha t h e doesn' t get . Judge , 1 9 wha t h e doesn' t ge t i s tha t h e pu t himsel f 2 0 and other s a t ris k becaus e othe r pilot s 2 1 woul d no t b e abl e t o se e him , identif yhim , 2 2 locat e hi mo r kno wtha t h e wa s there .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 H e wa s no t communicatin g wit h

anyone . H e didn' t hav e an ykind o f strob e light s o nhi s vehicle , and h e wa s lo wenough i na fligh t pat ha t th e end o f a runwaysuc h tha t anybod

yusing tha t runway , eve n i f i t
wa s no t activ e bu t ha d t o us e i t fo r emergenc ypurposes , woul d no t kno wtha t h e wa s there . Th e othe r poin t i s tha t i f Mr . Wardl e want s t o debat e o r disput e th e altitude , the nth e highe r h e put s himself , th e greate r th e ris k o f endangermen t t o pilot s i ntha t clas s E airspace .

Th e lowe r h e put s himself , th e lower , the nth e dange r ther e i s t o people . Ther e i s potentia l fo r catastrophi c event s tha t happe nno t withstandin g th e fac t tha t everydayi nth e Unite d States , You r Honor , peopl e lan

d gea r up i naircraf t jus t bywa y o f example . Yo u and I woul d think wel l what' s th e bi g dea l abou t landing gea r up ? Yo u

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1 ski d along th e fuselag e and ru n down th e 2 runwaywit ha lo t o f spark s goin g and th e 3 pro p i s gettin g bent . And You r Honor , I i n 4 myoffic e hav e ha d th e occasio n t o se e th e 5 corps e o f a pilo t tha t wa s stuc k insid e a n 6 aircraf t tha t lande d gea r u p wher e ther e wa s 7 a combustio ntha t occurre d o n th e runwayand 8 h e wa s no t abl e t o ge t out . 9 And th e wors t par t o f tha t wa s 1 0 tha t ignitio nhappene d a t a time whe nth e 1 1 surroundin g gras s are a a t th e end o f th e 1 2 runwayignite d a s well . And som e o f th e 1 3 structure s ou t i nth e oute r perimeter s 1 4 caugh t o nfir e a s well . 1 5 Everydayth e potentia l happen s 1 6 whe nyou'r e careless . Bu t thi s instanc e i s 1 7 no t careless . I n thi s instance , it' s 1 8 reckless . Yo u hav e a certificate d pilo t wh o 1 9 sa t her e i ncour t todayand unde r oat htol d 2 0 yo u he' s go t 160 0 hour s and h e want s t o 2 1 boas t abou t tha t and a t th e same time no t 2 2 tak e responsibilit yand b e hel d accountabl e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fo r th e fac t tha t h e mad e a volitiona l

decisio nt o operat e a nultraligh t vehicl e unde r th e circumstance s alleged , charge d and found t o hav e bee nadmitte d already , a t night , a t th e end o f a runwayi n a fligh t path , Thre e thousand dollar s i s a gif t W e apologiz e fo r th e erro r i n th e wron g citation . Bu t h e ha d counsel . You r Honor . An d eve ncounse l neve r brough t i t t o thi s counsel' s attentio nduring th e informa l conferenc e discussion s tha t i f h e ha d don e hi s du e diligenc e and though t tha t i t wa s an error , clearl yMr . Wardle' s counse l als o wa s mistake nwhe nreviewing that .

That' s no t th e issue . W e reache d
a nunderstandin g abou t th e $3,000.0 0 and I provide d tha t offe r t o hi s counsel . And clearl yh e ha d a dut yand responsibilit yt o pas s along t o Mr . Wardle . S o ver yearl yo n i nth e gam e Mr . Wardl e kne wwher e w e wer e a t o nth e dollars .

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1 I d o no t believ e tha t th e factor s 2 tha t helpe d yo u t o distinguis hi n th e 3 Siddal l cas e th e nee d fo r a reductio n 4 applie s i nth e presen t case . I'v e alread

y 5 give nMr . Wardl e th e benefi t o f th e doub t a s 6 a first-time offende r wit hregar d t o 7 ultraligh t vehicl e violation s instea d o f 8 pursuin g thi s fo r $4,400.0 0 and standing 9 her e and asking yo u fo r th e maximijm , we'r e 1 0 downt o no w$3,000.0 0 and I gues s yo u coul d 1 1 say , You r Honor , tha t taking int o accoun t 1 2 you r willingnes s t o loo k a t thi s cas e mos t 1 3 favorabl e t o Mr . Siddall , we'v e don e th e 1 4 same sor t o f thing . 1 5 I think $3,000.0 0 i s a n 1 6 appropriat e sanctio n unde r th e 1 7 circumstances , particularl yi n ligh t o f th e 1 8 fac t tha t w e hav e four regulatoryviolation s 1 9 and no t two . 2 0 And lastl yI' d lik e t o poin t ou t 2 1 tha t eve nthoughit' s dispute d and Mr . 2 2 Wardl e woul d hav e yo u believ e tha t th e

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officia l polic e repor t and pu t himsel f i f yo u wil l i na positio nwher e h e woul d hav e t o testif yunde r oat hi na cour t o f lawi f neede d abou t th e fact s o f th e even t i n questio no nth e dayi n questio n o r th e nigh t i nquestion , no t withstandin g tha t and tha t that' s hi s swor n dut yand responsibilit ya s a polic e officers , thi s i s no t abou t Office r Covert . Thi s i s abou t Mr . Wardle' s decision , hi s choic e i n life . Hi s electio n t o d o something tha t h e shouldn' t hav e done .

And which , a s a privat e pilo t he' s goin g t o b e hel d t o a highe r standar d i nterm s o f hi s understandin g o f th e applicabl e regulation s and th e potentia l endangerment .

S o h e canno t hid e behind a defens e o f ignorance , no t withstandin g th e fac t tha t ignoranc e o f th e lawi s no t a n excuse , i s no t a mistak e o f fac t situation . Quit e t o th e contrary . Quit e t o th e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 contrary . Thre e thousand dollar s a s a

punishmen t i s appropriat e and that' s wha t we'r e asking yo u t o sustai n i n thi s case . Thank yo u JUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Wardle , d o yo u hav e a nargumen t o nth e issu e o f penalty ? MR . WARDLE : Yes , You r Honor , Whe nI ha d a nattorney , Nic k Romer , w e di d hav e a ninforma l conferenc e o nth e phon e wit hMr . Wood , Mar k Camach o and mysel f and
mylawyer . A t th e time o f th e conversation , i t wa s $22,000.00 .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , le t m e jus t
cu t tha t argumen t shor t righ t here . Ther e i s a long serie s o f cour t case s i nmultipl e jurisdiction s tha t th e cour t relie s on , and I wil l no t conside r fo r eithe r sid e an y discussions , o n an ysettlemen t discussions . They'r e no t german e t o wha t I do . I won' t conside r th e testimon yo r th e evidence . I don' t car e whethe r ther e wa s o r

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1 whethe r ther e wasn' t and wha t number s wer e 2 there . S o let' s mov e o n t o a differen t 3 subject . 4 MR . WARDLE : Okay . A t n o time 5 wa s myfligh t tha t nigh t i n an ypat ho f an

y 6 on e o f th e two runways . And I woul d kno w 7 becaus e I hav e flow nal l four approaches . 8 S o whe n the n sa ytha t I wa s i n 9 direc t lin e wit ha n approac hi s a 1 0 misstatement . I di d no t choos e t o g o flying 1 1 a t night . You r Honor . I wa s simpl ydelaye d 1 2 bya hea d wind , and I refuse d t o land i n th e 1 3 dar k somewher e wher e I couldn' t se e 1 4 anything . That' s al l I hav e t o say . You r 1 5 Honor . 1 6 JUDG E GOODWIN : OkayMr . Wardle , 1 7 m

yhabi t i s t o d o writte n opinions . Tha t 1 8 wil l giv e m e th e chanc e t o revie wth e 1 9 testimon yth e testimon yth e tw o o f yo u hav e 2 0 give nher e today . Jus t t o b e sure , d o w e 

### 2 1 hav e you r correc t mailin g addres s i nth e 2 2 file ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . WARDLE : Yes . JUDG E GOODWIN : Al l right . I f there' s nothin g further , we'r e goin g t o g o of f th e record . Afte r w e g o of f th e record , I' mgoin g t o ge t your , I don' t wan t t o d o i t
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u p o nth e internet . I s ther e anythin g else , Mr . Camacho ?

Than k you . MR . CAMACHO : No , You r Honor ,

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , we'l l g o of f th e record .

(Whereupon , th e abov e matte r wa s conclude d a t 10:0 1 a.m. )

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