Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo r an d World-class Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C Publi c Announcemen t Th e U.S . Departmen t

o f Transportatio n (DOT) , Offic e o f th e Secretary o f

Transportation , tol dth e publi c o f thi s Futur e o f

Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e (FAAC ) Labo r an dWorld-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e meetin g i n aFedera l Registe r notic e publishe dJun e 17 , 201 0 (7 5 F R34520) . Subcommitte e Member s i n Attendanc e Patrici aA . Frien d (Subcommittee Chair) Davi dBarge r Thell aF . B o wens (by telephone) Joh n M . Conle y Robert L . Lekite s An a McAhron-Schul z Richar dPyatt (attending for Ms. Egnotovich) Internationa l Presiden t

Presiden t an dChie f

Executiv e Office r Presiden t an dChie f

Executiv e Office r Internationa l Administrativ e Vic e Presiden t

an dAi r Transport Divisio n Directo r Presiden t Directo r o f Economi c an d Financia l Analysi s Vic e President-Governmen t Relation s Associatio n o f Fligh t Attendant s (AFA)

- C WA , America n Federatio n o f Labo r an d Congres s o f

Industria l Organization s (AFL-CIO ) JetBlu e Airway s Corporatio n (JetBlue ) Sa n Dieg o Count y Regiona l Airport Authorit y Transport Worker s Unio n o f

Americ a (TWU) , AFL-CI O Unite dParce l Servic e (UPS ) Airline s Ai r Lin e Pilot s Association , Internationa l (ALPA ) Goodric h Corporatio n (Goodrich )

Subcommitte e Member s No t i n Attendanc e Cynthi aM . Egnotovic h Segmen t President , Nacelle s an dGoodric h Interio r System s )the r Official s Presen t Christ aFornarott o Regi s Mila n (Alternate DFO) Deput y Assistan t Secretary , Aviatio n an dInternationa l Affair s Associat e Directo r

an dSpecia l Assistan t t o th e Deput y Assistan t U.S . Departmen t o f Transportatio n (DOT ) DO TMarlis e

Streitmatte r Terr i William s (Designated Federal Official (DFO)) Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e

Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g JulyS, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C Secretary for

Aviatio n an d Internationa l Affair s Deputy Chie f

o f Staf f Director , Cente r

for Organizationa l Excellenc e U.S . Departmen t o f Transportatio n (DOT ) Federa l Aviatio n Administratio n (FAA )

Othe rPerson s Presen t Jan (Jay ) Au l Bo b Bergman Chri s Brow n Mi aClarkso n Gre g Dellinge r Bernar dDiederic h Wayn e Donat o Joh n Donnell y Michell e Duquett e Donn aS . Gleaso n Jeffrey Goodel l Mark Hanse n Dean Hubbar d Lauri Isbrandtse n Robert Lan d Anthon y Thoma s McClou d Lydi aE . Mercad o Nei l Modzelewski Ric k Pittaway Li z Spea r Marlis e Streitmatte r FAA

UP S Unite dAi r

Lines , Inc . Transportatio n Trade s Department , AFL-CI O AA RCorporatio n DOT , Offic e o f

th e Genera l Counse l Unite dSteelworker s TWU , AFL-CI O MITR E Corporatio n Cente r fo r Advance dAviatio n Syste mDevelopmen t (CAASD ) Th e Boein g Compan y JetBlu e FedE x Expres s TWU , AFL-CI O T . Whit e Parke r JetBlu e FAA DO T Researc h an dInnovativ e Technolog y Administratio n PA I Consultin g DO T ALPA DO TFutur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C BACKGROUN D AN D WELCOMIN G REMARK S Thi s i s th e recor do f

th e firs t meetin g o f

th e Labo r

an dWorld-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e o f th e FAAC , afederal advisor y committe e forme dpursuan t t o an dsubjec t

t o th e requirement s o f

th e Federa l Advisory Committe e Ac t (FACA) . Ms . Patrici aA . Friend , Subcommitte e Chair , AFA-CWA , calle dth e meetin g t o orde r a t 1:0 7 p.m . Sh e welcome dth e Subcommitte e member s an dpubli c i n attendance . Ms . Frien dthe n aske deac h o f th e Subcommitte e member s t o introduc e themselves . Sh e introduce dMs . Terr i Williams , FAA , th e DF O fo r th e meeting , an daske dhe r t o summariz e FAC A requirements . Ms . William s note dtha t

th e meetin g was bein g conducte dunde r FACA , an doutline dhe r

ow n responsibilitie s a s DFO , includin g maintainin g informatio n o n cost s an dmembership , ensurin g efficient operations , an dkeepin g publicl y availabl e record s o f FAA C activities . Ms . William s note dtha t

meeting s o f

th e Subcommitte e ar e accessibl e t o th e public , an dstate d tha t intereste dpersons hav e th e opportunit y t o submi t comment s befor e eac h meetin g eithe r b y emai l a t faac@dot.ao v o r

b y submissio n t o th e regulatory docke t a t www.regulations.go v (Docke t No . DOT-OST-2010-0074) . Sh e adde dtha t th e minute s o f

eac h meetin g wil l b e mad e availabl e both i n th e regulator y docke t an do n th e FAA C We

b sit e at http://www.dot.gov/faac . Ms . William s rea dth e formal statemen t require dunde r

FACA . Sh e note dtha t

althoug h th e meetin g wa s ope n t o th e publi c (an dmember s o f th e publi c wer e attendin g th e meetin g ) , participatio n i n th e meetin g wa s limite dt o Subcommitte e members , thei r alternates , an dFedera l officials . Sh e adde dtha t onl y Subcommitte e member s an dthei r alternate s wer e entitle dt o vot e o n Subcommitte e business . Ms . William s the n turne dth e meetin g bac k ove r t o Ms . Frien dt o ope n substantiv e discussion . DISCUSSIO N Ms . Frien daske deac h Subcommitte e membe r t o provid e asynopsi s o f

issue s the y wante dth e Subcommitte e t o examine . Mr . Joh n M . Conley , TWU , note drecommendation s i n thre e area s tha t h e believe dwer e fundamenta l t o labor' s interests : (1 ) i n th e are ao f internationa l ai r

commerce , buil d incentive s int o polic y an dla w tha t discourag e outsourcing , an drefrai n fro mmodifyin g existin g cabotag e restrictions ; (2 ) reformbankruptc y law s t o preven t employer s fro mavoidin g obligation s t o workers ; an d(3 ) establis h adignity o f wor k culture . Mr . Robert

L . Lekites , UPS , note dth e Subcommittee' s charte r require s i t

t o develo p recommendation s t o ensur e aworld-clas s workforc e t o support arobus t aviatio n industry . H e aske dthat , i n ligh t o f changin g socioeconomi c factors , th e Subcommitte e examin e avenue s fo r recruitin g th e bes t

an d brightes t o f th e futur e workforce . H e state dtha t th e combination s o f

skill s require dfor

job s i n th e aviatio n industry ar e unique , an dcalle dupo n th e industry t o provid e exemplar y trainin g an deducatio n program s an dt o creat e aworkin g environmen t attractiv e t o future employees .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C Mr . Richar dPyatt , Goodrich , state dtha t hi s compan y ha dsubmitte dcopies o f a200 8 study o n workforc e issue s conducte db y th e Aerospac e Industrie s Associatio n (AIA) , a200 8 report b y th e Interagenc y Aerospac e Revitalizatio n Tas k Force , an dapresentatio n b y th e Nationa l Associatio n o f Manufacturer s (NAM ) o n educatio n reforman dworkforc e development . H e note dtha t th e Unite dState s currentl y face s an agin g scienc e an dengineerin g workforce , wit h 2 6 percen t o f science , technology , engineering , an dmat h (STEM ) degre e holder s age d5 0 o r olde r a s o f 2008 . H e furthe

r state dthat hal f o f thes e employee s ar e expecte dt o leav e full-tim e employmen t b y ag e 62 . Mr . Pyat

t als o state dtha t

fewer America n student s ar e pursuin g degree s i n STE M disciplines , particularl y doctoral-leve l degrees . Mr . Pyatt cite da n FAA projectio n tha t

7 2 percen t

o f ai r traffi c controller s wil l b e eligibl e fo r retiremen t

b y 2016 , with approximatel y 15,00 0 controller s expecte dt o leav e th e workforc e betwee n 200 8 an d2017 . H e note dthat , i n additio n t o replacin g thes e controllers , th e Nex t Generatio n Ai r Transportatio n Syste m(NextGen ) wil l requir e additiona l staf f with suc h skill s a s system s engineerin g an dprogra mmanagement , a s wel l a s scientists , researchers , an dfinancial experts . Mr . Pyatt recommende dtha t

th e Subcommitte e seek

inpu t fromMs . Jennife r

McNally , NAM , a s a subjec t matte r expert o n workforc e issues . Ms . An aMcAhron-Schulz , ALPA , offere dsuggestion s i n thre e broa dcategories : retainin g curren t employees , attractin g th e bes t an dth e brightes t

individual s a s ne w employees , an densurin g th e Nationa l Mediatio n Boar d(NMB ) i s equippe dt o mee t it s responsibilities . Wit

h respec t t o retainin g ne w employees , Ms . McAhron-Schul z recommende dtha t governmen t

polic y b e crafte dt o ensur e U.S . ai r carriers , and , b y extension , thei r employees, receiv e afai

r shar e o f flyin g opportunitie s whe n participatin g i n alliances , join t ventures , an dsimila

r arrangements . Sh e als o recommende dmaintainin g existin g limitation s o n cabotag e an dforeig n ownershi p o f ai r carriers . Furthermore , sh e endorse d passag e o f

propose dbankruptc y reformlegislation , whic h woul dreestablis h collectiv e bargainin g a s th e primary mean s o f

modifyin g labo r

contracts . Wit h respec t t o attractin g hig h quality employees, Ms . McAhron-Schul z suggeste dth e governmen t shoul densur e pilo t

certificatio n requirement s reflec t curren t real-w o ri d needs . Sh e note dthat certificatio n requirement s hav e no t bee n update di n several decade s an durge dactio n o n arelevan t advanc e notic e o f

propose drulemakin g recentl y publishe dfo r publi c comment . Ms . McAhron-Schul z echoe dMr . Conley' s cal l fo r ajus t cultur e framewor

k i n th e industry . Sh e als o aske dtha t th e DO T examin e th e reques t

fo r proposa l proces s use db y fee-for-departur e ai r carriers . Sh e cautione dthat competitio n base dsolel y o n cos t ma y resul t

i n alowerin g o f

standards . Finally , Ms . McAhron-Schul z recommende dtha t th e governmen t

ensur e appropriat e fundin g o f th e NM B t o enabl e i t

t o addres s it s backlo g an dt o ensur e labo r negotiation s d o no t

remai n pendin g fo

r undu e length s o f

time . Mr . Davi dBarger , JetBlue , aske dth e Subcommitte e t o examin e ne w ideas an dnot revisi t area s that hav e alread y bee n extensivel y discussed . H e expresse dhi s intentio n t o submi t apape r t o th e Subcommittee . Mr . Barge r stated , fro mhi s perspective , a n importan t

issu e i s th e nee dt o incorporat e financial metric s int o polic y decisions . H e dre w acorrelatio n betwee n lac k o f investo r interes t i nFutur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g JulyS, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington . D C aviatio n becaus e o f

unfavorabl e return s o n investment s wit h an inabilit y t o attrac t an dretai n quality employees . Mr . Barge r

expresse dinteres t

i n adiscussio n o f

severa l othe r

issues : th e impac t

o f curren t ta x law s an dregulation s o n th e industry , opportunitie s offere db y foreig n investment , an dus e o f NextGe n an dothe r

technologie s t o revitaliz e th e industry an dattrac t ne w employees . Mr . Barge r suggeste darevie w o f

existin g labo r

statute s t o identif

y potentiall y outdate dpolicie s migh t b e worthwhile . Finally , h e note dth e marke t capitalizatio n o f

th e entir e industry , fro morigina l equipmen t manufacturer s t o operators , i s roughl y equivalen t t o tha t o f asingl e technolog y busines s like eBay , Inc. , an dstresse danee dt o attrac t shareholder s t o aviation . Ms . Thell aBowens , Sa

n Dieg o County Regiona l Airport Authority , state dtha t

th e employmen t

need s o f airport s diffe

r fro mthos e for

othe r sector s o f

th e aviatio n industry , bu t sh e encounter s man y o f

th e sam e challenge s i n recruitin g an dmaintainin g quality employees . Sh e note dairports , lik e othe r sectors , wil l requir e employee s wit h STE M skills . Sh e als o observe dtha t man y o f th e attractiv e benefit s o f

publi c secto r

work , suc h a s pension s an djo b security , hav e bee n erode di n recen t years , whic h impact s th e ability o f publicl y owne dairport s t o compet e wit h th e privat e secto r for employees . Followin g thes e openin g statements , Ms . Frien dnote dtha t som e o f th e issue s raise ddurin g openin g statement s ha dals o bee n raise ddurin g othe r subcommitte e meetings , includin g th e Subcommitte e o n Competitivenes s an dViability . Sh e state da n issu e sh e believe dth e Subcommitte e coul dreac h consensu s o n i s th e nee dfor technica l skill s development . Sh e note dtha t th e material s submitte db y Goodric h containe dman y goo dsuggestions . Ms . Frien dsough t an dreceive dconsensu s that th e nee d for technica l skill s developmen t wil l b e abasi s for

recommendation s b y th e Subcommittee . Ms . Frien dals o state dtha t sh e agree dwit h Mr . Conley' s sentiment s o n th e importanc e o f acultur e o f dignity i n th e workplace , an daske dhi mt o expoun dbriefl y o n ho w t o foste r suc h aculture . Mr . Conle y acknowledge dtha t

on e o f th e key s t o attractin g th e skille demployee s require db y th e industry wil l b e stability an dprofitability . H e als o stresse dth e importanc e o f ashare dvie w tha t

th e aviatio n workforc e i s value da s avita l nationa l resource . Mr . Conle y referre dt o arecen t articl e describin g th e wor k environmen t

experience db y fligh t

attendants . H e note dan increasingl y commo n practice , particularl y a t Asian ai r carriers , o f

limitin g employmen t

o f flight attendant s t o ater mo f

5 years . Mr . Conle y note d tha t suc h practice s an dattitude s wil l no t attrac t career-oriente dworkers , an dsuggeste dthi s practic e i s no t i n th e industry' s bes t

interest . Mr . Conle y state dtha t creatin g aproductiv e ne w labor-managemen t mode l als o wil l requir e recognitio n b y labo r tha t th e economi c climat e for ai r carrier s ha s change d fundamentall y an dlikely , irreversibly . Mr . Conle y calle dfor

an environmen t

tha t embrace s th e involvemen t o f employee s an dthei r

collectiv e bargainin g representative s a s partner s i n decisionmaking , sharin g o f informatio n with employee s an d representatives , recognitio n an drewar do f employe e accomplishments , an davie w o f employee s a s asset s tha t contribut e t o th e valu e o f th e enterprise , rathe r

tha n obstacle s t o b e negotiated . Ms . Frien dnote dan issu e ALP A raise di n it s submission s t o th e Subcommitte e involve dth e lon g timefram e require dfo

r labo r negotiation s an dmediation s unde r th e Railwa y Labo r

Ac t (RLA) . She note dALPA' s recommendation s include densurin g th e NM B i s adequatel y funded , an dsuggeste dtha t suc h actio n coul dfoste r

an improve dlabor-managemen t environment .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington . D C Ms . Frien dsuggeste dtha t th e broadconcep t

o f institutin g acultur e o f

dignity i n th e workplac e wa s anothe r possibl e groun dfor

consensus , an dsough t

inpu t fromth e Subcommitte e members . Mr . Barge r

agree do n th e nee dfo

r dignity an drespec t

i n th e workplace , but

state dtha t

thi s nee ddoe s no t dictat e asingl e approac h o n ho w t o achiev e it . H e note dther e ar e man y differen t successfu l busines s model s i n th e ai r carrie r industry , an dsuggeste dther e ma y likewis e b e mor e tha n on e effectiv e labor-managemen t

model , includin g model s tha t d o no t involv e collectiv e bargaining . Mr . Barge r acknowledge dtha t

th e developmen t

an devolutio n o f

labor-managemen t

relationship s shoul dno t

b e impede db y long , draw n ou t processes , an dstate dtha t actio n shoul dtak e plac e i n atimel y manner . Mr . Pyatt presente dhi s belie f

tha t commercia l succes s generall y require s respec t fo r employees, an d expresse dsupport

for Mr . Barger' s positio n tha t th e specifi c detail s o f

labor-managemen t

relation s may diffe r significantl y fro menterpris e t o enterprise . Mr . Lekite s state dhi s experienc e ha s taugh t hi mtha t goo dlabor-managemen t

relation s are o f

critica l importanc e t o asuccessfu l operation . H e adde dsucces s require s labo r an dmanagemen t

t o wor k together , whic h i n tur n require s mutua l respect , honesty , an dgoo dcommunications . Mr . Lekite s als o note dtha t managin g labo r

relation s for

th e aviatio n part

o f hi s organizatio n differ s greatl y from managin g relation s fo

r groun dtransport . H e describe dho w hi s company , whic h ha dabsorbe d employee s fromdivers e aviatio n enterprises , develope dit s "Captain' s Leadershi p Program " t o establis h it s ow n culture . Unde r

th e program , positiv e effort s ar e mad e t o mak e captain s an dcrewmember s fee l tha t the y are respecte da s leader s an da s manager s o f valuabl e compan y assets , an dt o hel p foste r prid e i n on-tim e servic e t o customers . Wit h respec t t o th e NMB , Mr . Lekite s expresse dhi s belie f tha t th e NM B doe s agoo djob , but i s ofte n use da s apolitica l device . Ms . Frien dsough t

inpu t fro mth e Subcommitte e o n action s i t migh t recommen dt o th e Secretar y o f Transportatio n t o educat e employer s o n th e benefit s o f a n environmen t

o f mutua l respect , o r

otherwis e encourag e the mt o develo p suc h environments . Sh e noted , parenthetically , tha t aspecifi c airline' s advertisin g i s detrimenta l t o acultur e o f dignity , an dsough t

idea s o n how , short

o f aprohibition , suc h conduc t coul db e discouraged . Mr . Barge r

suggeste dself-policin g migh t b e agoo dapproach . H e state dthi s woul drequir e operator s an dindustry organization s t o tak e amor e publi c rol e i n speakin g ou t agains t undesirabl e conduct . Mr . Conle y suggeste dth e Secretary o f Transportatio n shoul dconven e aforu mdevote dt o th e subjec t o f labor-managemen t

relation s an dworkplac e dignity . H e note dth e Secretary' s statur e woul dprovid e authority t o suc h aforum . H e state dthi s woul dgiv e stakeholder s fro mthroughou t th e industry th e opportunit y t o interac t

wit h representative s fro mai r carrier s tha t

hav e create dahealth y workplac e environment . H e note dth e poo r financia l performanc e o f th e industr y i n 2003 , whil e inflictin g significan t

damage , ha don e positiv e effec t b y creatin g a

n environmen t

o f ope n communicatio n an d cooperatio n betwee n labo r an dmanagement . Mr . Conle y adde dtha t for a t leas t on e majo r

air carrier ,Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C tha t environmen t

ha s continue dt o thi s day . H e stresse dboth labo r an dmanagemen t

shoul dremembe r a t al l time s thei r

mutua l dependenc e o n eac h othe r fo r survival . Ms . Bowen s expresse dinteres t i n aforu mo r

summi t a s envisione db y Mr . Conley , bu t suggeste dthat real progres s i n developin g guideline s for bette r labor-managemen t

relation s migh t

requir e aserie s o f suc h event s ove r

time , t o permi t

long-ter mdiscussio n o f

ideas . Mr . Barge r

als o state dtha t

aforu mcoul dhav e apositiv e outcome , bu t note dth e succes s o f

initiative s o f thi s natur e require s carefu l planning , selectio n o f participants , an dfoli o wu p work . H e suggeste dth e Subcommitte e develo p th e concep t i n greate r

detai l befor e presentin g i t t o th e FAA C a s a recommendation . Mr . Lekite s state daforu mi s no t inherentl y aba didea , bu t agree dwit h Mr . Barge r

tha t th e outcom e o f suc h a n endeavo r

depend s o n man y variables , includin g th e individual s participating . H e cautione d agains t settin g expectation s to o high . H e als o note dtha t successfu l labor-managemen t relation s mus t b e buil t fromth e groun dup , an dcanno t b e base do n wor

k rule s develope delsewhere . Ms . McAhron-Schul z expresse dagreemen t with muc h o f

what ha dbee n sai dpreviously . Sh e note d discussin g detaile drecommendation s migh t b e premature , an dsuggeste dth e Subcommitte e us e thi s meetin g t o reac h broa dconsensu s o n th e area s i t wishe s t o discus s further . Ms . Frien dagree dwith Ms . McAhron-Schul z an dsuggeste dth e Subcommitte e shoul dattemp t t o develo p thre e broadarea s o f consensu s b y th e en do f

th e meeting . Sh e noted , however , th e Subcommitte e mus t

develo p concrete , actionabl e proposal s fo r th e Secretary b y it s fina

l meeting . Ms . Frien drecognize dareques t b y Ms . Christ aFornarotto , DOT , t o addres s th e Subcommittee . Ms . Fornarott o reiterate dMs . McAhron-Schulz' s commen t tha t th e Subcommitte e i s not expecte dt o produc e specifi c recommendation s a t thi s time . Sh e state dtha t th e FAA C expect s eac h subcommitte e t o presen t thre e t o fiv e issu e area s at th e nex t FAA C meetin g o n Jul y 14 , 2010 , bu t ha s no t requeste d specifi c recommendations , suc h a s Mr . Conley' s suggestio n fo r aforum . Sh e note dth e Subcommitte e ha dbegu n t o defin e issu e area s with opportunitie s fo r ampl e discussion . Ms . Frien dstate dtha t

th e Subcommitte e ha dalread y reache dconsensus o n th e nee dt o stimulat e technica l skill s developmen t i n th e workforc e an do n th e nee dt o creat e acultur e o f dignity an drespec t i n th e workplace . Sh e sough t suggestion s o n athir dare ao f consensu s tha t

i s not duplicativ e o f

area s alread y stake dou t

b y othe r subcommittees . Ms . Bowen s state dth e tw o area s o n whic h th e Subcommitte e ha dalread y reache dconsensu s ar e extremel y broad , an dsuggeste dthat , unles s athir d are aclearl y warrantin g examinatio n i s submitted , th e existin g area s coul db e furthe r divide dint o subareas , eac h o f

whic h coul dsupport

multipl e recommendations .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 20JO Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C Mr . Pyatt sough t clarificatio n o n whethe r

th e Subcommittee' s consensu s o n th e nee dt o develo p STEM skill s include dapropose drecommendatio n submitte db y Goodric h tha t researc h an ddevelopmen t ta x credit s b e expanded . Ms . Frien dstate dan y idea s o r proposal s tha t

woul dfurthe r

th e goal o f

skill s developmen t

ma y b e discussed . Sh e note dtha t othe r subcommittee s hav e assigne ddevelopmen t o f recommendation s i n specifi c area s t o individua l member s o r group s o f

members , an dgav e th e Subcommitte e th e optio n o f proceedin g i n asimilar

fashion . Mr . Barge r

note dtha t

othe r subcommittee s ha dalread y expresse dthei r inten t t o examin e area s o f

focu s potentiall y relevan t

t o labo r an dworkforc e issues , includin g retur n o n investe dcapital , whic h wa s stake dou t b y th e Subcommitte e o n Competitivenes s an dViability . H e agree dtha t th e subcommittee s shoul dno t

duplicat e eac h other' s work . H e the n suggeste dathir dare ao f focu s fo r th e Subcommitte e migh t involv e apubli c educatio n effort . Mr . Barge r expresse dhi s belie f

tha t th e genera l publi c i s unawar e o f

or takes fo r grante dth e scop e an dcomplexity o f th e aviatio n industr y an dth e monumenta l coordinatio n o f

effort s tha t

makes ai r

transportatio n possible . Ms . Frien dobserve dthi s coul dfall unde r th e umbrell ao f

attractin g talente dindividual s t o th e industry . Mr . Lekite s note dMr . Barger' s referenc e t o return o n capital , an dadde dh e ha s encountere dlabo r representative s wh o fai l t o acknowledg e th e impac t o f labo r cos t o n financia l performance . Mr . Lekite s describe dtw o ke y objective s fo r asuccessfu l labor-managemen t relationship : managemen t mus t respec t employee s an dthei r

concern s an dth e partie s mus t achiev e aleve l o f

understandin g suc h tha t labo r leader s hav e th e sam e concern s a s managemen t leaders . H e suggeste drelation s betwee n labo r an dmanagemen t

ca n b e dramaticall y improve db y communicatio n wit h employee s abou t why busines s decision s tha t

affec t employee s ar e made , an do n ho w employees ' performanc e an d compensatio n affec t

profitability . Mr . Conle y agree dtha t

communicatio n an dunderstandin g b y bot h labo r an dmanagemen t

ca n produc e favorabl e results . H e offere danecdota l evidenc e i n whic h acoordinate deffor t b y labo r an d managemen t

ha dpermitte dan employe r usin g represente dlabo r

t o achiev e arefurbishmen t tas k at a lowe r per-uni t cos t tha n i f i t outsource dth e work . H e state da t times , managemen t

can b e to o quic k

t o reac h adeterminatio n o n economi c feasibility withou t engagin g labo r

representative s i n an attemp t t o reac h acreativ e solution . Ms . Frien dstate dther e di dno t appea r t o b e disagreemen t

tha t communicatio n an dunderstandin g betwee n labo r

an dmanagemen t

i s highl y desirable . Sh e aske dfor inpu t o n whethe r

an y actio n b y th e DO T coul dencourag e suc h communicatio n an dunderstanding . Ms . McAhron-Schul z state dope n an d fran k communicatio n doe s ofte n occu r i n th e industry , bu t

note dth e inheren t

instabilit y o f

relationship s betwee n labo r

an dmanagemen t

i s problematic . Sh e adde dchange s i n leadershi p o n eithe r th e managemen t

o r labo r sid e can degrad e aproductiv e relationship . Sh e state di n additio n t o communicatio n an dunderstanding , relativ e jo b security i s als o crucia l t o acultur e o f dignity i n th e workplace . Ms . McAhron-Schul z note demployee s wh o believ e thei r job s ar e secur e woul db e mor e willin g t o engag e i n fran

k communicatio n an dimaginativ e solutions .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g JulyS, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C Receivin g n o further

comment s o n ho w t o implemen t acultur e o f

dignit y i n th e workplace , Ms . Frien d turne dt o th e broade r

question s tha t

ha dbee n pose dt o th e Subcommitte e a t th e firs t meetin g o f

th e FAAC :

• Wha t crucia l skill s wil l b e neede di n th e industry ove r th e nex t 1 0 years ?

• Ho w wil l th e industry attrac t an dretai n employee s with thes e skills ? Ms . Frien dstate dth e Nationa l Ai r Traffi c Controller s Associatio n (NATCA ) ha dsubmitte dmaterial s t o th e Subcommittee . Sh e note dth e Subcommitte e woul drevie w th e submissio n an dtak e i t int o accoun t i n it s discussions . Ms . Frien dals o offere dsom e o f he r persona l thought s o n th e subjec t o f retainin g quality employee s i n th e workforce . Sh e suggeste dth e Subcommitte e conside r th e motivation s o f

skille dindividual s enterin g th e workforce . Sh e pose dth e questio n o f what make s aperso n wan t

t o wor k i n th e aviatio n industry instea do f

othe r industries , an dwhat

make s individual s remai n i n th e industry o n a long-termbasis . Mr . Pyatt state dtha t

Ms . Friend' s comment s ar e no t limite dt o ai r

carriers , but

ar e applicabl e t o al l segment s o f

th e aviatio n industry . H e note dexpectation s i n th e busines s worl dhav e change d fundamentall y an dwil l continu e t o change , an di t i s incumben t

o n businesse s t o recogniz e an dadap t t o changin g circumstances . H e state dbusinesse s mus t continuall y as k

th e questio n o f

ho w t o engag e youn g peopl e enterin g th e workforce , an dstresse dtha t succes s i s dependen t

o n lookin g forward , rathe r tha n lookin g back . Ms . McAhron-Schul z state dsignifican t effort s ar e bein g mad e t o encourage student s t o pursu e career s i n th e industry . Sh e note dmuc h attentio n i s give n t o airlin e positions , suc h a s fligh t crewmember s an d mechanics , an dsough t

comment s o n what

problem s airport s ar e experiencin g i n attractin g skille d employees . Ms . Bowen s state dth e challenge s facin g airport s can b e simila r t o thos e facin g othe r

industry segments , but

becaus e airport s ten dt o b e smaller , standalon e entities , the y ar e not impacte d significantl y b y comple x labo r issues . Sh e state dadynami c an dengage dworkforc e require s that al l level s o f th e organizatio n b e involve di n decisionmaking . Sh e note dhe r airpor t engage s i n community outreac h effort s t o attrac t

talente demployees , an dstate drepresentative s o f he r airport participat e i n community group s an dwor k closel y with th e local economi c developmen t corporation . Sh e reiterate d man y o f th e advantage s th e publi c secto r ha s traditionall y offere dt o jo b seeker s ar e diminishin g an d note dthat , like othe r

segment s o f

th e industry , airport s nee dcreative , energetic , business-focuse d individual s t o performthei r missions . Ms . Bowen s als o added , whil e aviatio n hold s a n allur e fo

r man y individuals , relyin g o n th e exoti c natur e o f th e industry t o attrac t

candidate s doe s no t

ensur e th e industry recruit s th e bes t

an dth e brightes t

youn g people . Sh e state dattractin g qualit y worker s require s continuou s effort s ove r

lon g period s o f

time . Sh e adde dhe r

airport work s t o educat e student s a t al l level s an dth e community a t larg e o f th e importanc e o f

th e industry .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C Mr . Lekite s echoe dMs . Bowens ' statement s o n th e importanc e o f communit y engagement . H e note d hi s compan y partner s extensivel y wit h governmen t an dquasi-governmenta l entitie s at th e Stat e an d local leve l t o ensur e acontinue davailabilit y o f qualifie demployee s an dth e continue dviability o f th e local economy . Mr . Conle y suggeste dtha t th e Subcommittee , whe n considerin g issue s surroundin g attractin g an d retainin g employees, kee p i n min dtha t arrangement s suc h a s part-tim e employmen t o r seasona l employmen t

are increasingl y common , i n som e case s a s entry-leve l positions . H e pose dth e questio n o f wher e suc h employee s fit i n th e strategi c plan s o f

employers , an dwhethe r

managemen t

consider s the mt o b e valuabl e long-ter minvestments . Mr . Barge r

state da t hi s company , longevit y o f employmen t

i s largel y u p t o th e individual . H e note d whe n face dwith achallengin g economi c climate , hi s compan y ha s sough t an dobtaine dcooperatio n fromemployee s t o avoi daction s suc h a s furlough s an dpay cuts . Mr . Lekite s state dhi s compan y als o tend s towar dlong-termemploymen t o f individuals , bu t acknowledge dthi s approac h i s no t universa l an dman y industr y participant s d o no t follo w a career-oriente dmodel . Ms . Frien ddirecte dth e discussio n t o internationa l issues , suc h a s join t ventures , foreig n investment , an dcabotage . Sh e note dthi s are ama y b e somewhat controversia l an dmigh t

no t yiel da s muc h consensu s a s othe r

areas . Sh e aske dMs . McAhron-Schul z t o commen t o n concern s he r

organization' s constituent s ma

y hav e wit h join t

ventures . Ms . McAhron-Schul z state dth e principa l concer n i s tha t crewmember s an dothe r

employee s o f U.S . ai r carrier s hav e acontinue dopportunit y t o work . Sh e adde dunde r variou s busines s arrangements , suc h a s alliance s an djoin t ventures , ther e i s apossibilit y tha t th e shar e o f

physica l flight operation s conducte db y foreig n ai r carrier s may significantl y excee dthei r economi c participatio n i n th e arrangement , an dtha t th e shar e an dgrowth o f

operation s conducte db y U.S . ai r carrier s ma y b e diminished . Sh e state dALPA support s legislativ e effort s t o protec t U.S . job s an djo b growth i n thi s area , an drecommend s tha t thi s positio n b e par t

o f th e nationa l aviatio n policy . Mr . Barge r

state ddiscussio n o f

issue s suc h a s foreig n participatio n i n th e U.S . airlin e marke t mus t tak e plac e i n th e contex t

o f th e overal l retur n o n investmen t t o shareholders . H e state dth e issue s raise d befor e th e Subcommittee , includin g attractin g an dretainin g employees , foreig n investmen t level s an d ope n skies , outsourcin g o f maintenance , industry ta x burdens , an dcost s relate dt o environmenta l regulation s impac t

profitabilit y an deconomi c health . H e expresse dhi s opinio n tha t unti l som e consensu s i s reache do n thes e issues , th e industry wil l continu e t o experienc e "boo man dbust " cyclica l fluctuations . H e adde dtha t long-ter mprofitability an dstability wil l requir e developmen t o f creativ e an dinnovativ e solution s t o changin g environments . Mr . Barge r note dthes e issue s ma y overlap with thos e bein g addresse db y th e Subcommitte e o n Competitivenes s an dViability , an dsuggeste dth e possibilit y o f

adialogu e betwee n th e tw o subcommittees .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington . D C

* e ' Ms . Frien dexpresse dsupport for th e propositio n tha t

th e nee dfor

economi c stability an dprofitability are prerequisite s t o an y discussion . Sh e state dtha t th e concern o f

he r organization' s constituent s i s tha t the y continu e t o pla y arol e i n th e industry . Ms . Frien dan dMs . McAhron-Schul z als o confirme dtha t th e issu e o f

ticke t taxe s an dretur n o n investe dcapita l are bein g addresse db y th e Subcommitte e o n Competitivenes s an dViability . Mr . Lekite s note dtha t

th e shiftin g natur e o f

economi c condition s an dus e o f ne w busines s arrangement s requir e companie s t o b e flexibl e t o continu e t o grow . H e state dcompanie s mus t partne r with organization s tha t

ca n hel p the maccomplis h what the y canno t

alone . H e note dth e nee dfo r protectiv e restriction s mus t

b e balance dwit h th e nee dfo r operationa l flexibility . Mr . Barge r

aske dth e Subcommitte e t o discus s issue s suc h a s legislativ e restriction s o n foreig n ownership . H e acknowledge dth e issu e i s controversia l an dconsensus i s no t likely , bu t

expresse dhi s belie f tha t it i s importan t

t o discus s suc h issues . H e dre w parallel s betwee n th e ai r carrie r industry an d th e automobil e industry . H e explaine dth e buildin g o f manufacturin g plant s b y foreig n automobil e manufacturer s ha s ha dapositiv e economi c an demploymen t impac t o n souther n state s i n th e Unite d States . H e adde dforeig n investmen t i n hi s compan y ha s similarl y create djob s domestically . H e questione dwhethe r

limitation s i n plac e sinc e th e 1940 s shoul db e reexamine di n ligh t o f adrasticall y change deconomi c an doperatin g environment . Mr . Barge r

als o discusse dus e o f

foreig n repai r

facilitie s b y ai r

carriers . H e state ddecision s t o sourc e wor k t o suc h facilitie s ar e not

drive n solel y b y cost , bu t can als o b e drive n b y th e availability o f facilitie s capabl e t o performrequire dwork . I n respons e t o Mr . Barger' s comments , Ms . Frien drelate daconcer n hel db y he r organizatio n an dit s constituents . Sh e describe dascenari o i n whic h aforeig n ai r carrie r acquire s amajority shar e o f alarg e U.S . ai r carrier , an drestructure s th e join t operation s o f

th e ai r carrier s suc h tha t

th e foreig n ai r

carrie r perform s al l internationa l operations , relegating th e U.S . ai r carrie r t o apositio n a s afeeder

fo r th e foreig n ai r

carrier . Ms . Frien dsough t commen t o n ho w t o avoi dtha t

outcom e o r

otherwis e alleviat e tha t concern . Mr . Barge r

acknowledge dth e state dconcern , but als o expresse dth e opinio n tha t thi s woul db e a

n extrem e case . Ms . Bowen s note dther e i s tensio n betwee n th e desir e fo r financiall y stabl e airline s an dth e desir e t o limi t foreig n ownershi p an dinfluenc e ove r aresourc e o f

suc h vita l importance . Mr . Pyatt state dther e ar e als o nationa l security reason s t o ensur e U.S . ai r carrier s maintai n a

n appreciabl e portio n o f

internationa l flyin g unde r th e Civi l Ai r

Reserv e Flee t

(CRAF ) program . H e observe di t

i s importan t

t o maintai n astron g internationa l ai r flee t t o suppor t

militar y transportatio n needs . H e als o note dth e rol e o f reservis t pilot s ha s com e t o th e forefront i n recen t conflicts , an dstate d th e maintenanc e o f

dee p rank s o f

pilot s wh o may b e calle du p for militar y servic e i s ke y t o ongoin g nationa l security .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g JulyS, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington . D C Mr . Barge r

als o note dothe r

legislativ e an dregulatory issue s h e woul db e intereste di n discussing . H e note dth e history o f

ai r carrier s continuin g t o operat e throug h multipl e bankruptcie s i n recen t decade s ha s tainte dth e ability o f al l ai r carrier s t o attrac t

capital , regardles s o f

th e history o f

th e individua l ai r

carrier , an dquestione dwhethe r thi s polic y bes t

serve s th e industr y an dth e nation . H e note dth e Subcommitte e o n Financin g migh t b e mor e appropriat e t o addres s thi s issue . Ms . Frien d state dtha t th e Subcommitte e o n Financin g ha dspecificall y decline dt o addres s bankruptc y or entr y barrier s fo

r startups . Mr . Conle y note dtha t

althoug h acces s t o capita l migh t b e negativel y impacted , ther e alway s see mt o b e lender s willin g t o financ e airlines , albei t unde r stringen t term s a t times . H e als o note dtha t th e alternativ e t o permittin g airline s t o reorganiz e unde r bankruptc y i s t o liquidat e insolven t entitie s unde r Chapte r 7 o f th e Bankruptc y Code , whic h cause s significan t unemploymen t

issues . Mr . Barge r

state d h e doe s no t

endors e aggressiv e applicatio n o f Chapte r 7 t o th e airlin e industry , bu t hope s t o spar

k a conversatio n o n th e impact s o f bankruptc y an dothe r

policie s o n lo w cos t

ai r carrier s tha t

d o no t confor mt o atraditiona l ai r

carrie r model . Ms . McAhron-Schul z note dth e difficultie s tha t woul db e associate dwith modifyin g bankruptc y polic y t o serv e th e need s o f asingle industry . Mr . Barge r

als o expresse dinteres t

i n afran k discussio n o f

whethe r th e provision s o f

th e RL A remai n i n th e bes t interest s o f

al l employer s an demployees , includin g employee s wh o ar e no t organize dunde r

a collectiv e bargainin g agreement . Ms . Frien dpresente dtw o potential area s o f discussio n with respec t

t o th e RL A an dsuc h companies : ho w representatio n shoul db e organize dan dho w abindin g agreemen t can b e reached . Mr . Barge r note dther e ar e numerou s othe r issue s tha t

warran t discussion , suc h a s recen t change s withi n th e NM B an dth e ability o f organize dworkforce s t o decertify . Mr . Pyatt sough t commen t o n whethe r

th e Subcommitte e shoul dexamin e labo r an dworkforc e issue s relatin g t o ai r

traffi c contro l (ATC) . H e note dtha t NextGe n implementatio n wil l resul t i n significan t change s t o th e wa y ATC task s ar e performe dan dth e skill s require di n th e AT C field . Ms . Frien d agree dtha t

NextGe n woul drais e man y issue s relatin g t o th e workforce , an dnote dNATCA' s submissio n include dconcern s associate dwith consolidatio n o f ATC facilitie s an dtha t

som e consolidatio n woul dnecessaril y b e associate dwith NextGe n implementation . Sh e requeste dan d obtaine dconsensu s tha t

th e impac t

o f NextGe n b e designate da s athir dissu e are afo r futur e discussio n b y th e Subcommittee . Mr . Pyatt suggeste dsom e question s for th e Subcommitte e t o conside r wit h respec t

t o NextGen: •

• Wha t ne w technologie s wil l b e introduce db y NextGe n an dwha t ne w certification s wil l b e required ? Wha t change s t o th e physica l ATC infrastructur e wil l b e necessary ? Ho w ca n change s b e effectivel y implemente dwith minima l disruptio n t o individuals ? Mr . Pyatt urge dtha t

representative s o f

th e AT C workforc e b e involve di n th e decisionmakin g proces s earl y on , t o avoi dunforesee n consequence s an dth e nee dt o revisi t pas t decisions .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington . D C Mr . Barge r

expresse dsupport

fo r Mr . Pyatt' s comments , an dsuggeste dth e Subcommitte e examin e th e impac t o f NextGe n o n multipl e workforces , includin g downstrea mimpact s o f implementation . H e als o raise dth e questio n o f

ho w NextGe n wil l impac t th e ability t o attrac t

an dretai n employees . Mr . Lekite s state dhi s compan y ha s participate di n som e testin g o f NextGe n technologies , an dnote d both th e significan t

impac t NextGe n can hav e o n th e efficienc y an dproductivit y o f th e industry , an dth e importanc e o f

carefull y managin g th e introductio n o f ne w technolog y t o th e workforce . Ms . Frien dnote dthat , i n additio n t o ATC workers , NextGe n implementatio n woul daffec t individual s represente db y Professiona l Aviatio n Safet y Specialists , AFL-CIO . Mr . Conle y note daircraf t dispatcher s woul db e similarl y affected . Mr . Conle y als o raise dth e issu e o f disparat e standard s applie dt o repai r facilitie s i n th e Unite dState s an dabroad . Mr . Conle y sough t consensus fromth e Subcommitte e i n support o f asingl e set

o f standard s fo

r suc h facilities , includin g th e sam e diligenc e an dintensit y o f backgroun dchecks , languag e requirements , an ddru g an dalcoho l testin g programs . Mr . Pyatt acknowledge dtha t

asingle , hig h leve l o f

safet y i s desirable , but

cautione dagains t

imposin g mandate s o n othe r

nations , particularl y i n ligh t o f existin g bilatera l agreement s tha t may addres s th e sam e issues . Ms . Frien dnote dsuc h amandat e woul db e limite dt o facilitie s conductin g maintenanc e o n U.S.-registere daircraft . Ms . Fornarott o agai n addresse dth e Subcommitte e t o reiterat e tha t i t shoul dreserv e developmen t o f specifi c recommendation s unti l it ha dth e opportunit y t o fully discus s issu e areas , receiv e inpu t from subjec t matte r expert s wher e appropriate , an dve t proposals . Ms . Frien dnoted , again , tha t th e Subcommitte e woul dno t

reac h consensus o n al l issues , bu t comprehensiv e discussio n i s important . Ms . Frien dnex t

aske dth e Subcommitte e t o conside r th e issu e o f

labo r standard s unde r

ope n skie s agreements . Sh e note dth e availabilit y o f inexpensiv e labo r

i n othe r countrie s ma y negativel y affect domesti c employment . Ms . Frien dstate dMr . Conle y ha dpropose dtha t th e DO T includ e labo r provision s i n bilatera l aviatio n agreements . Sh e note dsom e labo r provision s ha dbee n include di n Phas e II o f

th e Unite dStates-Europea n Unio n agreement , whic h require s ratifyin g countrie s t o compl y with cor e Internationa l Labo r Organizatio n (ILO ) provisions . Ms . Frien dsough t inpu t o n whethe r continuin g t o impos e suc h requirement s o n internationa l agreement s woul dundermin e th e Unite dStates ' bargainin g position . Mr . Lekite s state dh e wa s no t familia r with th e specifi c requirement s o f IL O provisions . H e note dhi s primary concern woul db e wit h determinin g th e additiona l cost s associate dwit h flyin g unde r a n agreemen t

with suc h provisions , a s compare dt o flyin g t o nation s no t covere db y suc h a

n agreement . H e als o acknowledge dtha t ope n skie s an dbilatera l agreement s are crucia l t o th e future growth o f th e U.S . aviatio n industry .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

Recor d o f Meetin g July 8, 2010 Communication s Worker s o f Americ a(CWA ) Washington , D C

' e ' Ms . McAhron-Schul z expresse dsupport for th e inclusio n o f

IL O provision s i n internationa l agreements . Sh e note dinclusio n o f suc h provision s woul dhel p t o pu t th e aviatio n workforc e i n th e Unite dState s o n a

n equa l footin g with foreig n workforce s i n competitio n fo r flyin g an dmaintenanc e opportunities . Ms . Bowen s aske dth e Subcommitte e t o conside r on e additiona l issu e relevan t t o labo r an dworkforc e issues . Sh e note dth e inabilit y o f airport an dtenan t

employee s t o satisf

y backgroun dchec k requirement s fo

r airport securit y credential s i s increasingl y problematic , especiall y with respec t t o lower-leve l positions . Mr . Conle y echoe dMs . Bowens ' concerns , notin g tha t ther e appear

t o b e different standard s applie da

t differen t bu t comparabl e airports . Mr . Pyat t expresse dadesir e for additiona l informatio n o n th e scop e an dpervasivenes s o f th e problem . Ms . Frien dnote dtha t

suc h concern s speak

t o th e issu e o f

attractin g worker s t o th e industry , an d solicite dcomment s o n ho w th e proble mmigh t b e addressed . Sh e questione dwhethe r i t woul db e possibl e t o implemen t

avariabl e stringenc y o f

backgroun dchecks , basedo n th e necessar y acces s fo r performanc e o f

th e employee' s duties . Sh e als o echoe dMr . Pyatt' s desir e for mor e informatio n o n th e exten t o f th e issu e nationwide . Ms . Bowen s state dthat , base do n interactio n with colleagues , sh e believe dth e proble mt o b e a pervasiv e one , especiall y i n larg e airport markets . Sh e accepte dth e responsibilit y t o gathe r mor e detaile dinformatio n o n th e proble man dreport bac k t o th e Subcommittee . CLOSIN G REMARK S AN D ADMINISTRATIV E MATTER S I n closing , Ms . Frien dsummarize dth e thre e issu e area s th e Subcommitte e ha didentifie d for presentatio n t o th e FAA C a t th e Jul y 1 4 meeting : developmen t o f technica l skill s i n th e workforce ; establishmen t

o f acultur e o f

dignit y an drespect ; an dassessmen t o f th e impac t

o f NextGe n implementatio n o n variou s workforces . Ms . Frien dstate dth e material s submitte db y Goodric h o n skill s developmen t presente da

n excellen t startin g poin t

fo r th e Subcommittee' s future discussions . Sh e volunteere dt o reac h ou t t o NATC A fo

r inpu t o n th e impac t

o f NextGe n o n th e ATC workforce . Mr . Conle y volunteere dt o obtai n simila r inpu t fro ma n appropriat e perso n o r

organizatio n o n th e impac t o n dispatc h personnel . Ms . Frien dpropose dthat , wit h th e exceptio n o f th e fina l meeting , th e Subcommittee' s futur e meeting s tak e plac e b y telephone . Sh e propose dJul y 29 , 2010 , for th e nex t Subcommitte e meeting , whic h wa s subsequentl y reschedule dt o Augus t 6 . Sh e als o raise dth e possibilit y tha t workin g group s coul db e forme dunde r

th e Subcommitte e t o refin e issue s unde r discussion .Futur e o f Aviatio n Advisor y Committe e Labo ran d World-clas s Workforc e Subcommitte e

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