UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

 U. S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

 OFFICE OF HEARINGS

IN THE MATTER OF:

CHERIF DIALLO,

 RESPONDENT

 DOCKET NO : FAA-2014-0544

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 TELECONFERENCE HEARING BEFORE

 THE HONORABLE J. E. SULLIVAN

 THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2015

 1:30 P. M.

 HISTORIC JORDAN SPRINGS

 1160 JORDAN SPRINGS ROAD

 STEPHENSON, VIRGINIA 22656
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1 APPEARANCES

2 ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF,

3 FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION:

4 TANEESHA D. MARSHALL , ESQUIRE

5 FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, SOUTHERN REGION

6 OFFICE OF REGIONAL COUNSEL, ASO-7

7 1701 COLUMBIA AVENUE

8 COLLEGE PARK, GEORGIA 30337

9 TELEPHONE: 404.305.4200

10 FACSIMILE: 404.305.5223

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1 TELECONFERENCE

2 THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2015

3 1:30 P.M.

4 THE COURT: Good afternoon, this is Judge

5 Sullivan. Do I have Ms. Marshall?

6 MS. MARSHALL: Yes, Judge.

7 THE COURT: And Steve Killings from the

8 County Court Reporters?

9 COURT REPORTER: Yes, Your Honor.

10 THE COURT: And has Mr. Diallo showed up?

11 MS. MARSHALL: Not that I'm aware of, Your

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13 THE COURT: Mr. Killings, are you ready?

14 COURT REPORTER: Yes, Your Honor.

15 THE COURT: We're on the record in the

16 matter of Cherif Diallo, Docket No. FAA-2014-0544.

17 Today is Thursday, September 24, 2015, and the parties

18 have convened by telephone for a Rule 16 litigation

19 scheduling conference. The Federal Aviation

20 Administration, which I'll hereinafter refer to by its

21 initials the FAA, is represented by its attorney of

22 record, Ms. Taneesha D. Marshall. The pro se

23 respondent, Mr. Cherif Diallo, is not present and

24 there's no explanation for his absence.

25 I'll note that the parties last convened on,
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1 I'll just double check, December 17, 2014, when they

2 appeared for a motion conference. At that time, the

3 parties discussed various issues including the

4 allegations in the FAA's complaint, as well as Mr.

5 Diallo's residential and financial situation. During

6 that motion conference, the FAA agreed to withdraw its

7 motion for default judgment, and the parties agreed to

8 confer privately to discuss settlement options.

9 This and other matters was codified in

10 writing the same day the conference was held on

11 December 17, 2014, in an order confirming withdrawal

12 of the FAA motion and providing procedural directions

13 to the parties. As part of those procedural

14 directions, Mr. Diallo was directed to provide his

15 address if he moved to both this Court and the FAA.

16 He was also directed to respond promptly in writing,

17 i.e., ten days of receipt, to any written materials he

18 received in the case.

19 He was directed to mail his written

20 responses to any materials directly to this Court with

21 receipt copies sent to the FAA and the original to the

22 FAA hearing docket. Mr. Diallo was also directed to

23 appear on time for all further telephone conferences,

24 and he was advised that if he needed to have an

25 interpreter present for any future conferences because
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1 of some language limitations, he was welcome to notify

2 this Court ahead of time and an interpreter would be

3 provided to him.

4 In addition, the parties were directed to

5 confer privately to discuss the case, and after

6 conferencing privately, the FAA was directed to notify

7 this Court either by filing an amended complaint or

8 other written material as to the status of the case

9 and whether a new conference time should be set.

10 Subsequently, on February 9, 2015, the FAA filed an

11 amended complaint. Excuse me. And inserted a

12 certificate of service with a certified and regular

13 mail copy of the amended complaint had been sent to

14 Mr. Diallo at his address of record.

15 Thereafter, no action was taken on the file.

16 The amended complaint and materials filed by the FAA

17 had not provided any direction to the Court about

18 setting a new conference, and so the Court waited for

19 a period of time to determine whether or not such was

20 forthcoming from either the FAA or the respondent.

21 After the amended complaint was filed, the

22 Court also checked the file to see if there would be

23 an answer forthcoming. And as of today's date, there

24 has been no answer filed with the office appearing to

25 the FAA's amended complaint, which I should note was
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1 first received by this Court on February 4, 2015, by

2 fax, and then February 9, 2015, by regular, U.S. mail.

3 Thus, on July 30, 2015, the Court issued an

4 order setting a Rule 16 litigation scheduling

5 conference and directing the parties to confer and

6 file a Rule 26F proposed discovery plan. As part of

7 this order, the parties were directed to file the

8 proposed plan with the Court on or before Thursday,

9 September 17, 2015, and to appear by telephone on

10 Thursday, September 24, 2015, at 1:30 p.m. Eastern

11 time, which is the conference at which we have

12 convened for today.

13 One day prior to the deadline for filing the

14 proposed scheduling plan, the FAA filed on September

15 16, 2015, a motion to for judgment on the pleadings

16 and request to hold proposed scheduling/discovery plan

17 in abeyance. I'll note that this was essentially a

18 combined motion, and the Court erred on the side of

19 caution and maintained the scheduling conference

20 schedule, which included convening today so that the

21 Court could address any matters if Mr. Diallo did, in

22 fact, appear today.

23 While the Court has been reciting the

24 history of the recent case status, I will simply check

25 and see if Mr. Diallo has dialed in while the Court
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1 was speaking. Mr. Diallo, are you on the line at this

2 time? The Court has received no response to that

3 inquiry. Ms. Marshall, let me ask you a question

4 briefly. You have indicated in your materials

5 entitled motion, various statements of fact within

6 your argument that you have not provided any

7 particular declaration about the service.

8 Was it your intent at least to file a

9 supplemental, a declaration to supplement your

10 materials to show a declarative statement about the

11 factual arguments that you're making? Because

12 essentially, an argument isn't a substitute for proof

13 of facts. It's simply an argument made based on facts

14 presented to the Court. I'm wondering how it is that

15 you wanted me to make findings about certain things in

16 your materials without such a declaration.

17 MS. MARSHALL: Your Honor, the agency

18 definitely can supplement in regards to the

19 declaration for the communication that we had that was

20 verbal. I'm sorry, was I cutting you off?

21 THE COURT: No.

22 MS. MARSHALL: Okay. But we did attach,

23 though, the tracking information and documentation

24 regarding the physical documents that have gone out

25 and that communication. But it definitely can be
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1 supplemented in regards to the declaration regarding

2 my last verbal attempt via telephone to communicate

3 with Mr. Diallo.

4 THE COURT: Well, maybe I didn't make my

5 inquiry clear.

6 MS. MARSHALL: Okay.

7 THE COURT: Let's turn to page three of your

8 defined motion for judgment and request to hold

9 proposed scheduling plan in abeyance. On page three

10 of that combined document, you have entitled a

11 paragraph called argument. You see that in front of

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13 MS. MARSHALL: Yes, Your Honor, I'm on that

14 page with you.

15 THE COURT: I'm just going to show you an

16 example of what I'm talking about. One of the things

17 that you have an obligation to prove in this kind of

18 case, as you well know, is proof of service. So you

19 have here, beginning on the third paragraph, a

20 statement of fact that reads, both in the instant

21 manner, respondent had not only failed to file an

22 answer within 30 days of the date of service of the

23 amended complaint, but has not filed one at all,

24 period. The amended complaint was served on February

25 4, 2015, via regular and certified mail, period.
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1 Those are two statements of fact. So

2 typically when you make statements of fact like that

3 and you're relying upon them for your argument, you

4 have submitted proof and you refer to your proof. It

5 appears to me that I have, and I'm going to go to some

6 of this, I have various documents that say, that prove

7 some of that, but not really all of that.

8 For example, and I'm sorry I'm hoarse. I'm

9 having a little trouble with my voice apparently.

10 MS. MARSHALL: If you need to take a break

11 or get some water, Your Honor, by all means.

12 THE COURT: I actually have water right in

13 front of me, but thank you. Hopefully, it will go

14 away in a minute. So you're saying here that the

15 respondent has not only failed to file an answer

16 within 30 days of the date of service of the amended

17 complaint, but has not filed one at all. So where in

18 your attached exhibits do I find that particular piece

19 of information?

20 MS. MARSHALL: Well, in Exhibit 1, Your

21 Honor, just going to the first part of that regarding

22 the amended complaint and the date of service being

23 February 4th ...

24 THE COURT: Okay, and let me go to that. So

25 the amended complaint is Exhibit 1.
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1 MS. MARSHALL: Correct. And on the fourth

2 page of that document, the certificate of service.

3 THE COURT: And that says, essentially, that

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5 MS. MARSHALL: It was sent via certified and

6 regular mail on February 4th.

7 THE COURT: And where did it say in Exhibit

8 1 that he received the certified mail and the regular

9 mail, how I draw that conclusion, and how I know based

10 on this argument that he has failed to file an answer,

11 not only within 30 days, but has not filed one at all?

12 MS. MARSHALL: On Exhibit 2 of that, the

13 next page of that, it shows the, it's a copy of the

14 certified mail that was returned as unclaimed with the

15 same certified number that was on the last page of the

16 amended complaint.

17 THE COURT: Okay, so that tells me that the

18 certified mail was unclaimed.

19 MS. MARSHALL: Correct. And then the next

20 document is just the (PHONE INTERRUPTION, INAUDIBLE)

21 THE COURT: That's not what I asked yet.

22 MS. MARSHALL: You mean as far, but that was

23 for the first part. But in regards to the regular

24 mail not being returned, Your Honor, you're right.

25 There would have to be a supplemental declarative
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1 statement in reference to that.

2 THE COURT: Right.

3 MS. MARSHALL: And ...

4 THE COURT: But not only that, but if you're

5 making a statement of fact that he hasn't filed one at

6 all even beyond the 30 days, you want to make that a

7 statement of fact as opposed to simply something

8 you've thrown into your argument. Because your

9 argument cannot be substituted for the fact proof. So

10 what I'm ...

11 MS. MARSHALL: I understand.

12 THE COURT: What I'm going to ask you to do,

13 if you would be so kind, is to just double check your

14 motion and look at your argument to ensure whatever

15 statements of fact that you are relying upon in your

16 argument, you also have provided proof of. And at

17 that point, I would be happy to look at this motion

18 and rule upon it without further ado.

19 MS. MARSHALL: Okay. And, Your Honor, just

20 for clarification, in reference to his answer, because

21 he would have been required to also file that on the

22 Court. I just, that declarative statement would just

23 simply state that it didn't come to the FAA as well as

24 it pertains to the answer?

25 THE COURT: If you are making statements
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1 about what you think is, it supports your request for

2 the motion on the pleadings because of the defaulting

3 respondent. So whatever it is that you know, and you

4 think is important to put in your declaration, put it

5 in. So I think that would be the best way for me to

6 answer that.

7 MS. MARSHALL: Okay, understood.

8 THE COURT: May I ask you, how much time do

9 you think you need to do that?

10 MS. MARSHALL: I can, I'm actually working

11 off-site today and tomorrow, Your Honor. It can be

12 filed no later than Monday.

13 THE COURT: Well, that's great. What I will

14 do is I will tick my file for receipt of the

15 supplemental material. I am going to tick it for

16 Friday, October 2nd, 2015. And I will simply tell you

17 that I will be out of town Monday through Wednesday,

18 so you have some additional time to file if you would

19 like it, because I won't be here to see it.

20 MS. MARSHALL: Thank you, Your Honor.

21 THE COURT: My first day back in the office

22 will be on Thursday, and if you need additional time,

23 just let us know. Because obviously the world is your

24 oyster at this point if you can prove that this person

25 has been properly served and has not answered. For
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1 the time being, I'm going to just tick my file for

2 October 2nd, 2015, and then I will take action on the

3 request for relief that have not been mooted by the

4 Court holding this conference today.

5 With that, is there anything else that we

6 can address for you or your client today before we

7 close?

8 MS. MARSHALL: In filing, Your Honor, would

9 it be expected just to supplement the motion, or do

10 you want me to, assemble supplement would be

11 sufficient to add to that motion, or would you like me

12 to completely re-file the motion?

13 THE COURT: No, I'm simply asking you to

14 supplement your pleadings at this point under the

15 motion. You will need to serve Mr. Diallo with your

16 material that you file here, but it will not need to

17 be served, you don't need to wait for the certified

18 notice, you don't need to send it by certified mail,

19 the supplemental material. You simply need to show

20 that it's been served upon Mr. Diallo at his last

21 known address, presuming that you have his last known

22 address, which I don't know from your material at this

23 point.

24 MS. MARSHALL: Yes, well, it's the same

25 address that we have had, that I've been using. And
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1 he had received communications from me in December

2 from that address. But it's the only one that I have.

3 THE COURT: And that would be some important

4 factual material to see if, in fact, you have proof of

5 in your material. So I'm just saying to you, you

6 don't want to assume that the Court's going to draw

7 the same conclusions that you have. You want to make

8 sure that you presented fact declarations to support

9 the argument for the motion to carry.

10 MS. MARSHALL: I understand, and I

11 appreciate you giving me additional opportunity to

12 supplement the motion.

13 THE COURT: Okay, great. Then I will look

14 forward to getting your material. I will tick the

15 file to October 2nd, 2015, and after that I will issue

16 a ruling on the material based on what I have. So I

17 thank you very much for your presentation today. And

18 it appears our business is complete unless we have

19 other matters you'd like to address.

20 MS. MARSHALL: No, thank you, Your Honor.

21 I hope that your throat clears up for you soon.

22 MS. MARSHALL: I actually just have asthma

23 and I'm having a little asthma attack, but it'll go

24 away. So thank you for your concern. It looks like

25 our business is complete. We can go off the record,
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1 and I wish you all a good day. Thank you.

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