PUBLISH 

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS 

FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT 

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, 

 Plaintiff - Appellee, 

v. 

ISAAC MANUEL RAMOS, 

 Defendant - Appellant. 

No. 23-6071 

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Appeal from the United States District Court 

for the Western District of Oklahoma 

(D.C. No. 5:22-CR-00180-JD-1)

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Shira Kieval, Assistant Federal Public Defender (Virginia L. Grady, Federal Public 

Defender, with her on the briefs), Denver, Colorado, for Defendant – Appellant. 

Wilson D. McGarry, Assistant United States Attorney (Robert J. Troester, United States 

Attorney, with him on the brief), Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, for Plaintiff – Appellee. 

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Before BACHARACH, BALDOCK, and MURPHY, Circuit Judges. 

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MURPHY, Circuit Judge. 

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I. INTRODUCTION

Frederick Police Department (“FPD”) Officer Jose Puentes arrested Isaac 

Ramos and impounded Ramos’s truck. In anticipation of the truck’s impoundment, 

Puentes conducted an inventory search. That search revealed the presence of a 

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United States Court of Appeals 

Tenth Circuit 

December 15, 2023

Christopher M. Wolpert 

Clerk of Court

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machine gun and ammunition. A federal grand jury issued a two-count indictment 

charging Ramos with unlawful possession of a machine gun, in violation of 

18 U.S.C. § 922(o), and being a felon illegally in possession of ammunition, in 

violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1). Ramos moved to suppress the machine gun and 

ammunition, asserting the impoundment of his truck violated the Fourth Amendment 

because it was not consistent with standardized policy and not supported by a 

reasonable, non-pretextual community-caretaking rationale. After the district court 

denied his motion to suppress, Ramos entered a conditional guilty plea to the 

unlawful-possession-of-a-machine-gun charge. Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(a)(2). On appeal, 

Ramos claims the district court erred in refusing to suppress the machine gun as the 

product of an illegal search, reasserting the arguments he made in the district court. 

This court exercises jurisdiction pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1291 and reverses the 

denial of Ramos’s suppression motion. We need not resolve whether the 

impoundment of Ramos’s truck was consistent with FPD policy. Instead, it is 

sufficient to conclude impoundment was not supported by a reasonable, nonpretextual community-caretaking rationale. United States v. Sanders, 796 F.3d 1241, 

1243 (10th Cir. 2015) (holding that to be valid under the community-caretaking 

doctrine, an impoundment must be both consistent with standardized policy and 

supported by a valid community-caretaking rationale). The matter is remanded to the 

district court to grant Ramos’s suppression motion and to conduct any further 

necessary proceedings. 

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II. BACKGROUND 

A. Legal Background 

The Fourth Amendment protects the “right of the people to be secure in their 

. . . effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” U.S. Const. amend. IV. 

Vehicles are effects that fall within the Fourth Amendment’s protection. Coolidge v. 

New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443, 461 (1971) (“The word ‘automobile’ is not a talisman 

in whose presence the Fourth Amendment fades away and disappears.”). “To be 

reasonable, a search generally requires the obtaining of a judicial warrant.” United 

States v. Venezia, 995 F.3d 1170, 1174 (10th Cir. 2021) (quotation omitted). “In the 

absence of a warrant, a search is reasonable only if it falls within a specific exception 

to the warrant requirement.” Riley v. California, 573 U.S. 373, 382 (2014). One such 

exception, and the only exception at issue here, is a search conducted pursuant to a 

police officer’s “community-caretaking function.” Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1175. This 

exception allows law enforcement to impound an automobile and, in connection with 

the impoundment, inventory the vehicle’s contents. Sanders, 796 F.3d at 1244–45. 

Such an impoundment, however, must be based on “something other than suspicion 

of evidence of criminal activity,” such as “protecting public safety and promoting the 

efficient movement of traffic.” Id. at 1245 (quotation omitted); see also United States 

v. Chavez, 985 F.3d 1234, 1243 (10th Cir. 2021) (holding that “public safety lies at 

the heart” of the community-caretaking doctrine). That is, a community-caretaking 

impoundment cannot be based on a suspicion or hope evidence of criminal activity 

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will be found in the vehicle. The government has the burden of proving a vehicle 

impoundment satisfies the Fourth Amendment. Sanders, 796 F.3d at 1244. 

 The community-caretaking exception to the Fourth Amendment’s warrant 

requirement operates differently depending on the nature of the property from which 

the vehicle is impounded. When the vehicle is located on public property, specifically 

including streets, roads, and ways, officers have far greater authority to impound. See 

Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1175; see also generally South Dakota v. Opperman, 428 U.S. 

364 (1976); Cady v. Dombrowski, 413 U.S. 433 (1973); United States v. Trujillo, 993 

F.3d 859 (10th Cir. 2021). When, on the other hand, police impound a car located on 

private property, and that car is neither “obstructing traffic or creating an imminent 

threat to public safety,” a community-caretaking rationale “is less likely to exist.” 

Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1176, 1178. In such situations, this court imposes “heightened 

requirements on police.” Sanders, 796 F.3d at 1249. To be consistent with the Fourth 

Amendment, such an impoundment must be “justified by both a standardized policy 

and a reasonable, non-pretextual community-caretaking rationale.” Id. at 1248.1

 A 

1

 This court’s precedents identify these two requirements as Sanders’s first 

(justified by a standardized policy) and second (reasonable, non-pretextual 

community-caretaking rationale) prongs. What makes the requirements for 

impoundment in the private property context “heightened” is Sanders’s first prong. 

See Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1178. Sanders’s second prong, on the other hand, “appl[ies] 

to all community-caretaking impoundments.” Id. (quotation omitted). This is true 

“because protection against unreasonable impoundments, even those conducted 

pursuant to a standardized policy, is part and parcel of the Fourth Amendment’s 

guarantee against unreasonable searches and seizures.” United States v. Kendall, 14 

F.4th 1116, 1123 (10th Cir. 2021) (quotation omitted). As set out infra, when 

analyzing whether a given impoundment satisfies Sanders’s second prong, this court 

considers five non-exclusive factors. 

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failure to satisfy either criterion is sufficient to establish that the impoundment, and 

related inventory search, is unconstitutional. Id. at 1243. 

 Ramos asserts on appeal that the impoundment of his truck fails both 

requirements set out in Sanders. This court need not resolve whether the 

impoundment was consistent with FPD policy because, in any event, it is not 

supported by a reasonable, non-pretextual community-caretaking rationale. See 

United States v. Braxton, 61 F.4th 830, 835 & n.3 (10th Cir. 2023) (resolving appeal 

solely on basis of Sanders’s second prong and emphasizing that both Sanders

requirements must be satisfied for a community-caretaking impoundment to pass 

Fourth Amendment muster). Law enforcement must take “objectively reasonable” 

action in its community-caretaking role and must do so pursuant to a non-pretextual 

“subjective motivation.” Kendall, 14 F.4th at 1128; see generally United States v. 

Woodard, 5 F.4th 1148, 1155–59 (10th Cir. 2021). This court has identified “five 

non-exclusive factors” that are helpful to determining “whether an impoundment is 

justified by . . . a reasonable, non-pretextual community-caretaking rationale.” 

Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1177. These factors include: 

(1) whether the vehicle is on public or private property; (2) if on private 

property, whether the property owner has been consulted; (3) whether 

an alternative to impoundment exists (especially another person capable 

of driving the vehicle); (4) whether the vehicle is implicated in a crime; 

and (5) whether the vehicle’s owner and/or driver have consented to the 

impoundment. 

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Sanders, 796 F.3d at 1250. Although this court weighs the Sanders factors de novo, 

“we review the district court’s factual findings for clear error and view the evidence 

in the light most favorable to the government.” Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1155. 

B. Factual Background2

 At 11:51 p.m. on February 13, 2022, FPD Officer Puentes responded to a call 

about a public disturbance at the Hop & Sack Convenience Store. The Hop & Sack is 

located at the intersection of 14th Street and Gladstone Avenue; Gladstone Avenue is 

also State Highway 5. Puentes observed two men involved in a physical altercation in 

the parking lot. Puentes separated the combatants, recognizing both men, Ramos and 

Caleb Hogan, as his former classmates.3

 As Puentes was pulling Ramos off to the 

side, Ramos turned and “lightly tapped” him on his right cheek. At that moment, 

Puentes placed Ramos under arrest for assault and battery on a police officer. Puentes 

placed Ramos in handcuffs and detained Ramos in the backseat of his patrol car. 

Puentes spoke with Hogan to get his side of the story. Puentes described Hogan as 

the victim because when Puentes arrived on the scene, he saw Hogan walk toward his 

vehicle as Ramos followed and then instigated the altercation. 

2

 The district court’s factual findings are set out in 202 numbered paragraphs 

spread over 35 pages. This court sets out only those facts relevant to the second part 

of the Sanders inquiry. In so doing, as discussed further below, we do not summarize 

the extensive findings regarding how Hop & Sack employees or management might 

have reacted if Puentes would have consulted them regarding their preferred 

disposition of Ramos’s truck. Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1155–56. 

3

 The Town of Frederick spans less than five square miles. Ramos had lived in 

Frederick most of his life and was well known to the people in Frederick. 

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 FPD Assistant Chief Joe Rodriguez arrived on scene after Puentes detained 

Ramos and while Puentes was talking to Hogan. Puentes already had control of the 

scene and was visiting with witnesses when Rodriguez arrived. Rodriguez assisted 

Puentes with the investigation and consulted with Puentes about the charges and what 

to do that night. 

Once Puentes had Ramos in custody, he considered towing or impounding 

Ramos’s vehicle. Puentes described his decision as “protocol,” meaning “as soon as I 

arrest someone, and no one is around, I’ll impound their vehicle.” By 11:59 p.m., 

Puentes decided he was going to impound the vehicle. His decision never changed 

and was based solely on the fact he had arrested Ramos.4

Ramos was driving a tow truck, which was parked on the east side of the Hop 

& Sack. The Hop & Sack closes at midnight and it was past midnight when Puentes 

asked Ramos if he needed anything out of his truck. Ramos responded he had 

everything he needed and indicated the truck belonged to his mother. 5 When Puentes 

4

 To be clear, the vehicle was unrelated to the reason for Ramos’s arrest and 

was not needed for evidence. 

5

 Puentes knew Ramos’s mother, Lupe Juanes, since he was a child. Puentes 

acknowledged Juanes resided about three blocks from the Hop & Sack, a one-minute 

drive. Similarly, Rodriguez has known Juanes his entire life, as they both grew up in 

Frederick. Rodriguez also recognized Juanes lived near the Hop & Sack, about three 

blocks away. In contrast, the closest towing service was ten blocks away. Rodriguez 

conceded that if Juanes was home and awake, she could have arrived at the Hop & 

Sack quickly if the officers had called her. Indeed, Juanes testified that if the officer 

had called her to pick up the truck, she would have been at the Hop & Sack in three 

minutes. 

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asked if Juanes was home, Ramos shook his head yes. Ramos asked if he could call 

Juanes to come pick up the truck. Puentes did not answer yes or no to Ramos’s 

request because his plan was to first check the vehicle’s registration. Puentes never 

called Juanes, despite admitting he could have obtained her phone number from 

Ramos. Puentes asked Rodriguez whether he should let Juanes come get the truck. 

Rodriguez deferred to Puentes, but suggested they first see whether the vehicle 

registration came back to Juanes. Puentes and Rodriguez were considering releasing 

the vehicle to Juanes, but needed to see if the vehicle was registered to her because 

their “protocol” was “to release the vehicle to the registered owner.”6

While the officers were discussing whether to release the vehicle to Juanes, 

Puentes discovered the truck had no license plate displayed. Rodriguez then advised 

Puentes to call a tow truck. Rodriguez recognized it was Puentes’s call whether to 

call a tow truck but indicated he was the supervisor on the scene, so he was advising 

Puentes. When he discovered no license plate was displayed on the truck, Puentes 

concluded it was irrelevant whether the vehicle was registered to Juanes because it 

could not be lawfully driven on the roadway without a license plate displayed and, 

without a license plate, the police could not confirm the vehicle’s registration. 

Further, Ramos was alone, Juanes was not at the scene, and Puentes suspected Ramos 

was intoxicated. 

6

 Puentes did not attempt to defend this “protocol” during the suppression 

hearing. Instead, he agreed that family members may be entrusted with a vehicle with 

the permission of the driver and that Ramos had asked him to release the truck to 

Juanes. 

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Puentes testified he would not leave the truck parked at the Hop & Sack 

overnight because the FPD would be liable if the vehicle were burglarized or 

vandalized while Ramos was in police custody. He also indicated the truck’s engine 

was still running at the time.7

 Additionally, Puentes would not leave the truck parked 

at the Hop & Sack overnight because the store had a posted sign that prohibited 

parking to non-customers. Puentes believed Ramos was no longer a customer because 

it was fifteen minutes past midnight and the store closed at midnight.8

 Although 

Puentes had never towed a vehicle from the Hop & Sack before, he believed it would 

be the store manager’s decision whether the truck could remain parked there 

overnight. Puentes had no information indicating Ramos had permission from the 

store manager to leave his vehicle overnight. 

After deciding to impound the truck, Puentes asked Rodriguez to transport 

Ramos to the jail so he could remain at the scene. As Ramos got into the back of 

Rodriguez’s patrol car, Puentes asked him about the missing license plate. Ramos 

indicated it was likely in the truck behind the seat but could also be in his other truck. 

7

 In its brief on appeal, the government repeatedly emphasizes this fact. It is, 

however, mentioned only one time in the district court’s order: it appears as a single 

sentence in the district court’s summary of Puentes’s testimony. Puentes did not 

testify this fact played a meaningful role in his decision to impound Ramos’s truck 

and it played no part in the district court’s analysis of the five Sanders factors. In any 

event, for those reasons set out infra in notes 13 and 22, the fact Ramos’s truck was 

running is of no significance to the resolution of this appeal. 

8

 Nevertheless, Puentes acknowledged Ramos purchased merchandise from the 

Hop & Sack and that his vehicle was lawfully parked on the east side of the store in a 

private parking lot, where it posed no impediment to traffic. Rodriguez likewise 

testified Ramos’s vehicle was parked in a legal parking spot on private property. 

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Puentes looked for the license plate in the truck, eventually finding it behind the 

passenger seat. Puentes prepared to run a check on the license plate, but he did not 

put the license plate back on the truck.9

 Puentes testified he had never done that 

before or heard of a police officer doing so. He also indicated there could be liability 

issues if an officer were to damage the truck remounting the plate. Puentes called the 

license plate number into dispatch; the dispatcher advised that the license plate return 

came back to Ramos’s truck with an expiration date of November 30, 2022. The 

dispatcher also advised that the insurance was confirmed. The dispatcher did not 

indicate the vehicle was registered to anyone else besides Ramos.10

After Rodriguez and Ramos left in the patrol vehicle for the jail, Puentes 

obtained a written statement from the store clerk, Jessica Ward. Puentes did not ask 

for Ward’s permission to tow Ramos’s truck. It was not on his mind, he did not think 

to ask, and, in his view, it would not have mattered because it would have been up to 

the store manager whether Ramos could leave his vehicle overnight. Rodriguez, 

9

 Although the record is not entirely clear, it appears Ramos was displaying the 

license plate on the rear window of the trunk, rather than on the rear bumper. Puentes 

testified a license plate must be mounted on the back bumper. Ramos’s vehicle had 

tinted glass, meaning the plate may not have been visible in the back window. 

Puentes noted it was dark that night and he did not place the license plate in the back 

window to determine whether it was visible. 

10 Later that evening, after the truck had already been inventoried and released 

to the towing company, officers learned Ramos’s mother was one of the registered 

owners of the vehicle. Puentes testified this information would not have changed his 

impoundment decision because (1) the license plate was not properly attached to the 

vehicle and (2) he is required not to cancel a tow truck once one has been called 

because the tow trucks are on an on-call rotation. 

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likewise, did not consult with any Hop & Sack employee about leaving Ramos’s 

vehicle at the store overnight. Rather, he acted based on the store’s posted sign11 and 

his past experience in being called out to tow vehicles left in the Hop & Sack parking 

lot. He testified there have been a few times over the years when someone was 

arrested and the store personnel did not want the arrestee’s vehicle left on the 

property because they did not want to be responsible for damages. There had been 

other times when a vehicle was “abandoned” and the store clerk or manager did not 

know why the vehicle was left there or who it belonged to, so they called the police 

to come out and tow the abandoned vehicle. Rodriguez admitted he could not recall a 

specific instance or specific year in which he was called out to the Hop & Sack to 

tow a vehicle, or a specific employee with whom he spoke.12 He further indicated that 

there has “been a time or two” when an individual left their vehicle overnight with 

the Hop & Sack’s permission. 

Subsequently, Puentes inventoried the contents of the vehicle to ensure the 

FPD was not liable if something came up missing once the truck left their possession. 

Puentes estimated he conducted the inventory around 12:25 a.m. This was after he 

had called the towing company. While conducting the inventory search, Puentes 

found a loaded M-16 firearm behind the driver’s seat. Meanwhile, as he was being 

11 A sign posted in the window of the Hop & Sack read as follows: “Customer 

Parking Only Violators Towed.” 

12 In contrast to Rodriguez’s testimony, the Hop & Sack’s manager could not 

recall another vehicle being impounded from the Hop & Sack in her 22.5 years of 

working there. 

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booked into the jail, Ramos received a call on his cell phone. He told the caller to 

contact Juanes. Juanes arrived at the Hop & Sack after Puentes completed his 

inventory of the truck, but approximately fifteen minutes before the tow truck 

arrived. Puentes advised her that the tow truck was enroute and it was too late to 

cancel the tow.13

The record contains significant detail about the Hop & Sack and surrounding 

neighborhood. Several businesses are located near the Hop & Sack, including the 

United Supermarket, the Tillman County Courthouse, Allsup’s Convenience Store, 

Security Finance, a radio station, a laundromat that closes at 10:00 p.m., and a hair 

salon or barbershop. The remainder of the streets are occupied by residential housing. 

The proximate businesses have “fairly decent” lighting at night. As to the Hop & 

Sack itself, Puentes testified he was familiar with its features and hours of operation. 

After the store closes for the night, a few lights are left on. The gas pumps are, 

however, always open to anyone purchasing gas with a credit card. Overall, except 

for the gas pumps, the area is not well lit at night. The officers testified, inter alia, 

that there was a significant amount of crime in the area, the vehicle was accessible to 

13 According to Puentes, he had alternatives to towing until he learned the 

truck did not have a license plate displayed. He, nevertheless, agreed he could have 

called Juanes after he learned the license plate was validly registered to the truck, she 

could have put the license plate on the truck, and it would have then been legal to 

drive. Puentes further acknowledged that at no point before he called the tow truck 

did he ask Ramos if he would consent to leaving his truck at the store until someone 

could come pick it up. Finally, Puentes agreed that if the police had released the 

vehicle to Juanes, this would have relieved the police of any liability. Juanes 

testified, without contradiction, that she could have attached the license plate to the 

truck with the tools already present in the vehicle. 

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heavy foot traffic from citizens “who are usually up to no good and their intentions 

are probably not the best,” and the vehicle would be exposed in the parking lot of a 

closed convenience store located on a state highway. 

C. Procedural Background

 The district court began its analysis of Sanders’s second prong by concluding, 

as a prefatory matter, that the record lacked evidence Puentes’s actions were 

motivated by a desire “to find evidence of a crime” or to “get” Ramos. It then 

concluded the five Sanders factors, on balance, demonstrated the impoundment was 

justified by a reasonable, non-pretextual community-caretaking rationale. As to the 

first factor, the district court concluded it weighed in favor of impoundment despite it 

being private property. In reaching this conclusion, the district court ruled that the 

private nature of the property did not significantly decrease the risk that Ramos’s 

truck would be burgled or vandalized. Further, the district court weighed this factor 

in favor of impoundment because the property did not belong to Ramos. The district 

court also concluded the second Sanders consideration supported impoundment. 

Although Puentes did not consult the Hop & Sack’s manager or clerk, the district 

court ruled that Puentes’s knowledge of the sign posted in the store’s window tipped 

this factor in the prosecution’s favor. The district court also weighed the third 

Sanders factor in favor of impoundment. It did so on the following two bases: (1) the 

truck could not be legally driven by anyone because it did not have a license plate 

attached to its bumper; and (2) as the only patrol officer on duty that night in 

Frederick, it would not have been reasonable to obligate Puentes to wait to see if 

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someone would arrive to pick up the truck. Finally, as conceded by the government, 

the district court recognized that the fourth (implicated in a crime) and fifth (consent) 

factors weighed against impoundment. Nevertheless, on balance, the district court 

concluded the Sanders factors and lack of evidence of pretext supported the 

conclusion the impoundment of Ramos’s truck was a reasonable communitycaretaking action. 

III. ANALYSIS 

This court reviews each of the Sanders factors individually before weighing 

them together, de novo, to determine whether the impoundment at issue was a 

reasonable exercise of community-caretaking. See Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1178. Before 

doing so, however, we explain why the presence or absence of a pretextual motive on 

the part of Puentes or Rodriguez is not outcome determinative in this case. 

A. Pretext

The district court appears to have given particularly significant weight to its 

finding that the officers did not impound Ramos’s truck as a pretext to “get” Ramos 

or as “an excuse to find evidence of a crime.” At the “outset,” the district court ruled 

“none of the Sanders’[s] factors point[] toward pretext on the part of the officers 

involved.” In support of this conclusion, the district court summarized the officers’ 

interactions with Ramos as captured on the officers’ body cameras. Thereafter, the 

district court “turn[ed] to the individual factors, and weighing the factors, . . . 

conclude[d] that the impoundment was justified by a reasonable, non-pretextual 

community-caretaking rationale.” 

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Ramos vigorously contests the district court’s determination that the 

impoundment of his truck was not pretextual. He notes Puentes testified his protocol 

was to always impound an arrestee’s vehicle if no one else is around. Thus, according 

to Ramos, without regard to whether Puentes was specifically trying to target him or 

find evidence of specific unrelated criminality in his truck, the impoundment was 

more broadly pursuant to an arbitrary pretext for criminal investigation. See United 

States v. Pappas, 735 F.2d 1232, 1234 (10th Cir. 1984) (holding that the communitycaretaking doctrine “cannot be used to justify the automatic inventory of every car 

upon the arrest of its owner”); see also Sanders, 796 F.3d at 1249–50 (holding that 

the second prong of its required analysis—the presence of a reasonable, nonpretextual community-caretaking rationale—protects against impoundment practices 

like “impounding all vehicles whose owners receive traffic citations”); cf. Arizona v. 

Gant, 556 U.S. 332, 347 (2009) (holding that the Fourth Amendment does not permit 

officers to search every vehicle incident to arrest). Likewise, Ramos argues, the 

officers’ decision not to explore the possibility of releasing the truck to Juanes was 

tainted by a protocol of only releasing vehicles to registered owners. The government 

does not defend the validity of this “protocol” on appeal. See supra n.6. 

Ultimately, this court need not resolve whether the district court erred in either 

its (1) focus on whether the officers had a pretextual motive directed specifically at 

Ramos, or (2) finding that the officers did not have a pretextual motivation to target 

Ramos or find evidence he was committing additional crimes. Application of the 

Sanders factors compels the conclusion that the impoundment was unreasonable even 

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if undertaken without any type of pretextual motive. To be valid under Sanders’s 

second prong, an impoundment must be both reasonable and non-pretextual. Venezia, 

995 F.3d at 1182 (“It is unnecessary to decide whether the asserted communitycaretaking rationale was also ‘pretextual.’ In fact, in this case, the evidence of pretext 

is scant. Yet, we held in Sanders that an asserted community-caretaking rationale 

must be both ‘reasonable’ and ‘non-pretextual.’”); see also Chavez, 985 F.3d at 1244 

(“The government must show that its [community-caretaking] interest outweighs the 

individual’s interest in being free from arbitrary governmental interference. This is 

because a person’s Fourth Amendment rights are not eviscerated simply because a 

police officer may be acting in a non-investigatory capacity for it is surely anomalous 

to say that the individual is fully protected by the Fourth Amendment only when the 

individual is suspected of criminal behavior.” (quotations, alterations, and citation 

omitted)).14

14 Our determination that this case can be fully resolved based on the 

reasonableness, or lack thereof, of the impoundment means there is no need to further 

elucidate or question the applicable standard of review. As noted above, this court 

has held that although the district court’s underlying factual findings are reviewed for 

clear error, the Sanders factors are weighed de novo. Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1155; 

Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1178. Furthermore, it is clear the five Sanders factors bear on 

the existence of both pretext and reasonableness. Compare Woodard, 5 F.4th at 

1155–58 (concluding all five factors point toward pretext), and id. at 1158–59 (“Not 

only does every factor point toward pretext, but other powerful evidence of pretext 

exists.”), with Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1182 (holding that even absent evidence of 

pretext, the Sanders factors demonstrate the community-caretaking impoundment 

was unreasonable). Sanders’s focus on both reasonableness and pretext is unusual, 

but not without precedent. Compare Ashcroft v. al-Kidd, 563 U.S. 731, 736 (2011) 

(“Fourth Amendment reasonableness is predominantly an objective inquiry. We ask 

whether the circumstances, viewed objectively, justify the challenged action. If so, 

that action was reasonable whatever the subjective intent motivating the relevant 

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B. Public or Private Property

 The district court found that Ramos’s “truck was lawfully parked on private 

property and not impeding traffic.” Thus, one could safely assume the district court 

concluded it must weigh this factor against the reasonableness of the impoundment. 

See Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1178 (“The first Sanders factor weighs against 

impoundment because the vehicle was located on [private property]. Public safety 

and convenience are less likely to be at risk when the vehicle is located on private 

property as opposed to public property.”); see also Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1155. 

Instead, the district court concluded this factor weighed in favor of impoundment 

because, (1) although the Hop & Sack parking lot was private property, it was not 

Ramos’s private property; and (2) the private nature of the parking lot did not 

“eliminate all risk” to Ramos’s truck. The district court erred in concluding this 

factor weighed in favor of the reasonableness of the impoundment. Instead, this 

court’s binding precedent dictates the conclusion that this factor weighs against the 

reasonableness of the impoundment. Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1178. Indeed, the private 

nature of the property is a factor weighing against impoundment “that is entitled to 

more than a little weight.” Id. (quotation omitted).

officials.” (quotations, citations, and alteration omitted)), with id. (identifying 

exceptions to the general rule “where actual motivations do matter” (quotation 

omitted)). Because we resolve this appeal exclusively on the basis of objective 

reasonableness, it is entirely proper to consider each factor individually and to weigh 

them together de novo. 

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We begin with the district court’s reliance on Ramos’s non-ownership of the 

Hop & Sack parking lot in weighing this factor in favor of the reasonableness of the 

impoundment. Notably, the government does not mention this conclusion in its brief 

or attempt to defend the district court’s reasoning. This court has weighed this factor 

against the reasonableness of a vehicle impoundment from private property, even 

when the private property did not belong to the vehicle owner. See Venezia, 995 F.3d 

at 1173, 1178 (motel parking lot); Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1151, 1155 (convenience store 

parking lot); Sanders, 796 F.3d at 1243, 1251 (Goodwill parking lot); Pappas, 735 

F.2d at 1233, 1234 (tavern parking lot). To be clear, then, this factor asks whether the 

impoundment was undertaken from private property, not from the vehicle owner’s 

property.15

In asking this court to weigh Sanders’s first factor in favor of impoundment, 

the government urges us to adopt the district court’s view that the existence of a risk 

of vandalism bears on the public-versus-private-property question. The government’s 

request in this regard runs into several hurdles. First, this court has concluded 

15 Because this court’s precedent makes clear the question whether the vehicle 

owner is also the private property owner plays no part in Sanders’s first factor, it is 

unnecessary to address whether such an approach would impermissibly collapse the 

first and second Sanders factors. See Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1178–79 (holding as 

follows regarding Sanders’s second factor: “As mentioned [in discussing Sanders’s 

first factor], public safety and convenience are less likely to be at risk when a vehicle 

is located on private property. That risk is particularly diminished when the private 

property owner does not object to the vehicle’s presence. For these reasons, we 

consider the property owner’s consent, even if the property owner does not own the 

vehicle.”); id. (refusing to consider matters relevant to Sanders’s third and fifth 

factors in considering whether Sanders’s second factor weighed against 

impoundment). 

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concerns relating to possible vandalism, and the municipal liability that could flow 

therefrom, are properly considered at the third Sanders factor. Venezia, 995 F.3d at 

1179. Second, the only case cited by the government in support of its risk-based 

analysis of Sanders’s first factor, Chavez, 985 F.3d at 1244–45, does not bear the 

weight the government attempts to place on it. Chavez considered whether the seizure 

of an in-plain-sight firearm from a vehicle was a reasonable community-caretaking 

function.16 Id. at 1243–44. It concluded firearm seizures were only “communitycaretaking tasks” if necessary “to protect the public from the possibility that a 

[weapon] would fall into untrained or perhaps malicious hands.” Id. at 1243 

(quotation omitted). Necessarily noting the context-specific nature of this inquiry, 

and recognizing this court had approved some such in-plain-sight seizures from 

heavily trafficked, but private locales, Chavez nonetheless concluded the seizure at 

issue was unreasonable. Id. at 1243–45. In so holding, Chavez relied heavily on the 

remote nature of the private property and the availability of alternatives to seizure. 

Id. at 1244–45. This court sees nothing in Chavez to support the notion that a risk of 

vandalism is a viable consideration in Sanders’s first factor. Third, there is no merit 

to the government’s assertion that just because this court has previously validated 

some community-caretaking impoundments from private property, the private nature 

of property must, sometimes, support such impoundments. Instead, a review of those 

16 Notably, there is not a single reference to Sanders in Chavez. This is most 

likely because of the vast contextual differences between vehicle impoundments and 

seizures of in-plain-sight firearms. 

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cases makes clear that impoundment was reasonable in each despite the fact the 

subject vehicles were parked on private property, not because the private nature of 

the property weighed in favor of impoundment.17

 Ramos’s truck was legally parked in a private parking lot and was not 

obstructing traffic. Thus, the first Sanders factor weighs against the reasonableness of 

the impoundment and must be accorded “more than a little weight.” Venezia, 995 

F.3d at 1178 (quotation omitted). 

C. Consulting Property Owner

Sanders’s second factor considers whether the owner of the private property 

upon which the vehicle is located was consulted about the potential impoundment. 

796 F.3d at 1250; see also Venezia, 995 F.3d. at 1179 (“[P]ublic safety and 

convenience are less likely to be at risk when a vehicle is located on private property. 

That risk is particularly diminished when the private property owner does not object 

to the vehicle’s presence. For these reasons, we consider the property owner’s 

17 See Trujillo, 993 F.3d at 869–70 (validating impoundment from roadside 

private property when the vehicle position amounted to a traffic hazard, no licensed 

passenger was present, the driver lacked registration documents, and 2:30 a.m. “was 

not a good time of day to look for help from friends”); see also id. at 872 (holding 

that the two-prong Sanders inquiry does not apply to impoundments when there is 

“threat to public safety or traffic”); United States v. Kornegay, 885 F.2d 713, 715–16 

(10th Cir. 1989) (validating impoundment from private parking lot when the officers 

did not know where the vehicle was registered because it had a Missouri license plate 

temporarily fastened over a Louisiana plate and officers could not identify the driverarrestee because the driver’s license he produced pictured someone else); United 

States v. Johnson, 734 F.2d 503, 504–05 (10th Cir. 1984) (validating impoundment 

when, in response to a call at 2:30 a.m., officers found a “highly intoxicated” man 

sitting in his car outside a lounge with a .357 caliber magnum revolver in plain view 

on the passenger seat). 

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consent . . . .”). Here, as set out specifically in the district court’s order, “it is 

undisputed that the store owner, manager, and clerk were not consulted about towing 

or leaving [Ramos’s] truck” in the parking lot. Nevertheless, the district court 

concluded this factor weighed in favor of impoundment because of the late hour, the 

Hop & Sack’s midnight closing time, Puentes’s “knowledge” of Hop & Sack’s 

preferences as conveyed on the signage posted in the store’s front window. The 

district court erred in concluding this factor weighed in favor of the reasonableness of 

the impoundment of Ramos’s truck. 

This court finds no real relevance to the late hour or the Hop & Sack’s 

impending closure. These facts posed no impediment to Puentes’s ability to consult 

with the clerk on duty that evening. Puentes obtained from the clerk a written 

statement regarding the events surrounding Ramos’s assault on Hogan. Puentes did 

not consult with the clerk, or ask the clerk to consult with management or ownership, 

about Hop & Sack’s preferences. According to Puentes, “it was not on his mind, he 

did not think to ask.” Indeed, Puentes testified he believed consultation was 

unnecessary because impoundment was permitted by FPD policy. But see Sanders, 

796 F.3d at 1250 (holding that compliance with standardized policy is necessary, but 

not sufficient, to render certain kinds of community-caretaking impoundments from 

private property reasonable for purposes of the Fourth Amendment). The record 

conclusively establishes consultation with the private property owner would not have 

been difficult, let alone impracticable. Accordingly, nothing about the circumstances 

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identified by the district court could make this factor weigh in favor of impoundment 

when no consultation occurred. 

On appeal, the government leans heavily into the district court’s conclusion 

that Puentes’s knowledge of the Hop & Sack’s preferences by reference to the store 

sign is sufficient to tilt this factor in its favor.18 It is certainly true that “the 

community-caretaking interest may permit officers to impound a vehicle that 

interferes with a private property owner’s use or enjoyment of their property.” 

Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1179. As this court’s precedent makes clear, however, this is a 

decision left up to the private property owner, not the police. This court’s decision in 

Woodard holds that guesses about a property owner’s preferences, even if they turn 

out to be correct,19 are insufficient to carry this factor. Instead, this court “consider[s] 

whether the officers . . . consulted the property owner and learned of the property 

18 To the extent the government’s brief could be read as advancing the notion 

Rodriguez’s knowledge of Hop & Sack’s preferences is relevant, this court rejects 

that assertion. See supra at 11–12 (summarizing Rodriguez’s testimony regarding his 

knowledge of Hop & Sack’s preferences). Although the record makes clear 

Rodriguez consulted with Puentes about some aspects of the impoundment decision, 

there is no evidence indicating the officers consulted on this question. Furthermore, it 

is clear Puentes made the decision to impound Ramos’s truck. Importantly, the 

district court found that “Puentes does not have any knowledge or understanding 

regarding the Hop & Sack’s owner’s or manager’s preferences regarding vehicles 

being left overnight. His only knowledge is what is posted on the store sign.” 

Consistent with all of this, there is no reference in the district court’s analysis of this 

factor to Rodriguez’s knowledge. Instead, the focus is exclusively on Puentes’s 

knowledge obtained via the sign. 

19 Here, the record is entirely uncertain as to whether Puentes correctly 

predicted Hop & Sack’s preferences. Based on various formulations of the relevant 

facts, both the Hop & Sack clerk and manager offered various after-the-fact answers 

as to the store’s preferences. 

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owner’s preference, not whether the officers . . . correctly inferred the property 

owner’s preference.” Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1156; see also Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1179 

(explaining officers’ “fail[ure] to . . . consult . . . anyone who could speak for the 

owner” belies contention they “impounded . . . based on the . . . owner’s objection”). 

Because no such consultation occurred here, this factor weighs against the 

reasonableness of the impoundment of Ramos’s truck.20

D. Alternatives to Impoundment

 “Whe[n] an alternative to impoundment does not threaten public safety or 

convenience, impoundment is less likely to be justified by a community-caretaking 

rationale.” Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1179. The district court concluded no reasonable 

alternatives to impoundment existed because (1) Ramos’s truck could not have been 

legally driven on the roadway without the license plate attached, (2) Puentes was the 

only officer on patrol that night in Frederick, and (3) Puentes had no obligation to 

allow Ramos to make alternative arrangements. On the record before this court, and 

20 Of course, context is key. As noted above, the entirety of Puentes’s 

understanding of Hop & Sack’s preferences flowed from the posted sign. If that sign 

reasonably conveyed a desire on the part of the Hop & Sack to have law enforcement 

remove from its parking lot vehicles the officers considered to be trespassing, the 

result could very well be different. Here, however, the sign merely stated as follows: 

“Customer Parking Only Violators Towed.” The government does not argue on 

appeal that this language could reasonably be read as an invitation to tow directed at 

the officers. Instead, it recognizes the sign’s “purpose” was to “disclaim liability” 

under Oklahoma’s trespass statute. Gov’t Response Br. at 36. The government’s 

concession is consistent with the only evidence in the record: the Hop & Sack 

manager testified the sign simply “meant the store was not responsible for a vehicle 

left in the parking lot, or if a vehicle was towed, the store would not pay the towing 

fee.” 

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given our decisions in Woodard and Venezia, we must conclude the district court 

erred in concluding Puentes had no reasonable alternative to impounding Ramos’s 

truck. 

On appeal, Ramos identifies several approaches Puentes could have taken as 

alternatives to impoundment. It is enough to resolve this case to conclude that neither 

the district court nor the government has identified a valid impediment to acceding to 

Ramos’s request to call Juanes to come and get the truck. See Woodard, 5 F.4th at 

1156 (“[T]he police had an alternative to impoundment: letting [the defendant] call 

someone to get the car. He had asked, and the police refused.”). 

In reaching a contrary conclusion, the district court first focused on the 

absence of the license plate from the truck’s bumper. Despite the government’s 

vigorous embrace of this asserted impediment to allowing Juanes to retrieve the 

truck, the record reveals reliance on this fact is unreasonable. The truck was validly 

licensed, registered, and insured. The plate was present in the vehicle. Ramos used 

the truck as a tower and the tools necessary for this trade were present in the truck. 

Puentes testified he had no concerns about Juanes’s ability to reattach the plate to the 

bumper and Juanes specifically testified she had the ability to do so. This case is, 

thus, entirely distinguishable from the facts in Kendall, 14 F.4th at 1123. The car in 

Kendall was stopped in the evening, had a faulty taillight, and was uninsured. Id. at 

1120, 1124. “That means that no one could have legally operated [the car at issue in 

Kendall] that night.” Id. at 1124. Here, on the other hand, the record leaves no doubt 

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that the condition rendering Ramos’s truck “unlawful” to operate could have been 

remedied in a few short minutes with the simple use of a wrench or screwdriver. 

Nor, on the facts of this case, can it reasonably be argued Puentes’s status as 

the only FPD officer on patrol rendered this alternative to impoundment unavailable. 

There are no facts in the record demonstrating Puentes would be tied up dealing with 

the truck for a prohibitive length of time if he would have allowed Juanes to retrieve 

the truck. Instead, the scant record facts, specifically including the facts found by the 

district court, demonstrate just the opposite. Both Puentes and Rodriguez were wellfamiliar with Ramos and Juanes. Frederick is a small town and Ramos was wellknown. Puentes had known both Ramos and Juanes since he was a child; Rodriguez 

had known Juanes his entire life.21 Both officers knew Juanes lived in very close 

proximity to the Hop & Sack. Indeed, she lived several blocks closer to the Hop & 

Sack than the nearest tow truck operator. Ramos specifically told Puentes that Juanes 

was home when he asked that she be called to retrieve the truck. Juanes testified that 

she could have been at the Hop & Sack within three minutes if officers would have 

called her. In fact, although Puentes refused to honor Ramos’s request to call Juanes 

21 These facts demonstrate why this court’s decision in Kornegay, 885 F.2d at 

715, is not meaningfully applicable to this case in several important ways. The 

officers in Kornegay did not know where the defendant’s vehicle was registered 

because it had a Missouri license plate temporarily fastened over a Louisiana plate. 

Id. This left officers with no way to determine who owned the car and whether the 

owner would retrieve the car. Id. Furthermore, the officers in Kornegay, could not 

identify the defendant because the driver’s license he produced pictured someone 

else. Id. Unlike in the case at hand, the facts in Kornegay left officers no option to 

either leave the vehicle in place or have an associate of the defendant take control of 

the car. 

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to take possession of the truck, Juanes learned on her own about the events at the 

store and arrived there approximately fifteen minutes before the tow truck arrived. 

Thus, there is nothing in the record to indicate it would have been more time 

consuming for Puentes to call Juanes as an alternative to impounding the truck. Nor 

can the government rely on any uncertainty that flows from the officers’ flat 

unwillingness to explore an alternative.22 The district court erred in doing just that in 

concluding this factor weighed in favor of the reasonableness of the impoundment. 

Finally, this court’s decision in Woodard compels the conclusion that the 

officers’ asserted lack of “duty” to allow a defendant to arrange alternatives to 

impoundment is legally irrelevant to the third Sanders factor. Woodard, 5 F.4th at 

1157 (“We express no opinion on whether the police have a duty to let someone else 

pick up a car when the driver is arrested. . . . It has nothing to do with the third 

pretext factor, which addresses the existence of alternatives to impoundment. 

Regardless of whether the police have a duty to let someone else pick up or move a 

car, the police either have alternatives or they don’t.”); id. (“Do the police have a 

duty to allow an arrestee to contact someone else to pick up or move the car from 

22 Because the record evidence indicates the reasonable alternative of 

contacting Juanes would not have left the truck exposed to a risk of vandalism for 

any time, let alone a meaningful time period, this court need not consider the matter 

further. See Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1158 (“The car was in a high-crime area? It 

wouldn’t be for long if the police had let [the defendant] ask someone to pick up the 

car.”). The same is true as to the government’s after-the-fact briefing emphasis on the 

importance of Ramos’s leaving the keys in the truck with the ignition running outside 

the Hop & Sack. 

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property? The parties haven’t raised this question, and it has nothing to do with the 

third pretext factor.”). Id. 

None of the alleged impediments to contacting Juanes to come and pick up the 

truck, as Ramos specifically requested, identified by either the district court or the 

government on appeal reasonably render that alternative to impoundment 

unavailable. Because a reasonable alternative to impoundment existed, this factor 

weighs against the reasonableness of the impoundment. 

E. Implicated in a Crime

 It is uncontested that Ramos’s truck was not implicated in a crime and, 

therefore, “police had no need to preserve evidence by impounding the” vehicle. 

Woodard, 5 F.4th at 1158. That is, impounding the truck would not have provided 

evidence relating to the charges underlying his arrest—disturbing the peace, assault 

and battery on Hogan, or assault and battery on Puentes. Thus, the Fourth Sanders

factor weighs against the reasonableness of the instant impoundment. Id.; see also 

Venezia, 995 F.3d at 1182. 

F. Consent of Vehicle’s Owner/Driver

 It is also uncontested that Ramos did not consent to the impoundment of his 

truck. Accordingly, the district court concluded below, and the government concedes 

on appeal, that this factor weighs against the reasonableness of the communitycaretaking-based impoundment of Ramos’s truck. 

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G. Weighing All Factors Together

 To one degree or another, each of the five Sanders factors weigh against the 

reasonableness of the community-caretaking-based impoundment of Ramos’s truck. 

That being the case, no weighing of the factors against each other is necessary. The 

impoundment was not reasonable and, thus, violated the Fourth Amendment. 

IV. CONCLUSION

 The order of the United States District Court for the Western District of 

Oklahoma denying Ramos’s suppression motion is hereby REVERSED. The matter 

is REMANDED to the district court for further proceedings consistent with this 

opinion. The government is hereby ORDERED TO SHOW CAUSE within three 

business days of the issuance of this opinion why the mandate should not issue 

forthwith. 

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