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NOMINATION OF DAVID S. FERRIERO 

HEARING 

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON 

HOMELAND SECURITY AND 

GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

OF THE

ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH CONGRESS 

FIRST SESSION 

NOMINATION OF DAVID S. FERRIERO TO BE ARCHIVIST OF THE 

UNITED STATES, NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION 

OCTOBER 1, 2009 

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COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS 

JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut, Chairman 

CARL LEVIN, Michigan 

DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii 

THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware 

MARK L. PRYOR, Arkansas 

MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana 

CLAIRE MCCASKILL, Missouri 

JON TESTER, Montana 

ROLAND W. BURRIS, Illinois 

PAUL G. KIRK, JR., Massachusetts 

SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine 

TOM COBURN, Oklahoma 

JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona 

GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio 

JOHN ENSIGN, Nevada 

LINDSEY GRAHAM, South Carolina 

ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah 

MICHAEL L. ALEXANDER, Staff Director 

KRISTINE V. LAM, Professional Staff Member 

ADAM R. SEDGEWICK, Professional Staff Member 

ERIC S. HOPKINS, Professional Staff Member, Subcommittee on Federal Financial 

Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security 

BRANDON L. MILHORN, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel 

JENNIFER L. TARR, Minority Counsel 

JOHN K. GRANT, Minority Counsel 

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LAURA W. KILBRIDE, Hearing Clerk 
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C O N T E N T S 

Opening statement: Page 

Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 1 

Prepared statement: 

Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 15 

WITNESSES 

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2009 

Hon. Kay R. Hagan, a U.S. Senator from the State of North Carolina .............. 1 

David S. Ferriero to be Archivist of the United States, National Archives 

and Records Administration ................................................................................ 6 

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

Hagan, Hon. Kay R.: 

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 1 

Ferriero, David S.: 

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 6 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 17 

Biographical and financial information .......................................................... 20 

Letters from the Office of Government Ethics ............................................... 28 

Responses to pre-hearing questions ................................................................ 30 

Responses to post-hearing questions .............................................................. 61 

Letter of support ............................................................................................... 70 

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NOMINATION OF DAVID S. FERRIERO 

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2009 

U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY

AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, Washington, DC. 

The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 3:05 p.m., in room 

SD–342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Thomas R. Carper, 

presiding. 

Present: Senator Carper. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR CARPER 

Senator CARPER. Senator Hagan, are you from North Carolina? 

Is that true? 

Senator HAGAN. You had better believe it. 

Senator CARPER. Do you know this fellow sitting to your left? 

Senator HAGAN. We are so honored that he is here. 

Senator CARPER. Well, we are honored that you are here. I know 

you have a lot on your plate today, but we are honored that you 

would be willing to come by and say a word or two on his behalf. 

We are delighted you could come and make some remarks to introduce him. Speak for as long as you wish. 

TESTIMONY OF HON. KAY R. HAGAN, A U.S. SENATOR FROM 

THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA 

Senator HAGAN. Mr. Chairman, I am really delighted to be here. 

Thanks for the opportunity to speak today. 

Seventy-five years ago, President Franklin Roosevelt appointed 

R.D.W. Connor as our first Archivist of the United States, and I 

mention this because Archivist Connor was born in Wilson, North 

Carolina, and prior to becoming the Archivist, he was a distinguished member of the faculty at the University of North Carolina 

(UNC). 

Senator CARPER. I have heard of that school. 

Senator HAGAN. It is a good one. [Laughter.] 

Today, I am honored to see this Committee hold a confirmation 

hearing for President Obama’s nominee to be the tenth Archivist 

of the United States because, like Mr. Connor, David Ferriero also 

has ties to our great State and one of our fine universities, Duke 

University. And it just so happens my son graduated from Duke 

several years ago. 

Like the first Archivist, Mr. Ferriero is arriving at a time of unchartered challenges for the National Archives. The first Archivist 

was confronted with the enormous task of building the Archives 
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and figuring out how to process and care for 150 years’ worth of 

Federal records scattered across the government. Today, Mr. 

Ferriero is coming to the position when the challenges of preserving and providing access to government records are about bits 

and bytes rather than paper and parchment. 

One of my goals, as a Senator, is for government to be open and 

accessible to the constituents of my State and the Nation. The National Archives strives to increase the accessibility of government, 

incorporating technology into its mission in order to benefit our democracy and into the future. 

As a result of his time as the University Librarian at Duke, we 

in North Carolina know that he embraces technology and he sees 

the potential it has to provide affordable and broad access to history, science, and culture. Among other things, we saw his leadership lead to the North Carolina Exploring Cultural Heritage Online, a statewide initiative to establish one doorway to all the libraries, museums, archives, and historical collections in the State, 

almost 1,000 sites in an online environment. 

Duke University was grateful for the leadership shown by Mr. 

Ferriero. Then-University President Nan Keohane, a good friend of 

mine, said he was ‘‘a renaissance man who combines a commitment 

to the life of the mind with a practical and collaborative approach.’’ 

Duke noted his ability to accomplish great things with ‘‘charm, wit, 

and great sensitivity to the multicultural nature of university.’’ 

And when Mr. Ferriero took the position at the New York Public 

Library, Duke University said he would be remembered at Duke as 

a visionary and an effective leader, a man passionate both about 

books and—guess what—basketball. [Laughter.] 

I am thrilled that President Obama nominated someone who was 

passionate about basketball—— [Laughter.] 

Even though it was one of our other great teams in North Carolina, from UNC-Chapel Hill, that won the NCAA Championship 

this past year. 

But more importantly, I am confident that Mr. Ferriero’s experience at Duke and the rest of his distinguished career will serve the 

National Archives and our Nation very well. 

I would like to take a moment of congratulations, and I am 

thrilled with this nomination, and I am thrilled that you have accepted this great challenge. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Senator CARPER. Senator Hagan, thank you very much. I know 

you are one busy Senator. You are involved in all kinds of things, 

and we are delighted that you could take the time to come by and 

speak on his behalf. Thank you so much. 

Senator HAGAN. Thank you. 

Senator CARPER. Good to see you. See you later today. 

As Senator Hagan leaves, I might mention, we have just come 

from votes on the Senate floor on the defense appropriations bill, 

which is a big deal. We had two votes, one offered by the Chairman 

of our Permanent Subommittee on Investigations, Senator Levin, 

which was to be followed in sequence by another vote offered by the 

Ranking Republican on our Subcommittee on Federal Financial 

Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and 

International Security, Senator McCain. As it turned out, the first 
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vote was the 12,000th vote in the Senate career of Senator Orrin 

Hatch from Utah. 

On an occasion like that, it is not uncommon for a Democratic 

leader and a Republican leader to stand up and speak about the 

colleague who reached the milestone. That is a big milestone 

around here. And as he spoke, right across the aisle from him, 

about five or six feet away was Robert Byrd, who has been hospitalized and is now back at work, and it is very nice to have him 

back. 

But the bad thing about the tribute to Senator Hatch was that 

it did delay the beginning of this hearing, so we apologize for that, 

but we are glad you all stuck around, especially our nominee and 

his family and his extended family. 

I just want to add to what Senator Hagan said. She was quick 

for some reason to talk about your North Carolina affiliations, but 

she maybe did not talk quite as much about the time you spent up 

in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Our oldest son is a fourth-year mechanical engineering student at MIT, where I know our nominee 

spent 31 years of his life and worked his way up, becoming Acting 

Co-Director of the MIT Libraries. 

Before that, an even more important contribution and role that 

he played was in the U.S. Navy, a branch of service where I spent 

some 23 years, plus another 4 more years as a Navy ROTC Midshipman. So I felt a kinship almost right away when I met our 

nominee. 

After adding that to the list of accomplishments, we are delighted that you have been nominated and delighted that you are 

here with your family and friends. 

Now, when I look at your name—I always talk to my staff about 

this—I say, are you sure he pronounces his name ‘‘fare-e-oh,’’ because when I look at it, it should be ‘‘fare-e-er-oh.’’ That is the way 

I would pronounce it. Why is it pronounced ‘‘fare-e-oh’’? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I am sure that it is the result of a mispronunciation many years ago. Two brothers came to the States. One went 

to Medford, Massachusetts, where Mike Bloomberg’s family went, 

and the other went to Beverly, Massachusetts. The people in Medford are ‘‘fare-e-er-oh.’’ The people in Beverly are ‘‘fare-e-oh.’’ 

[Laughter.] 

And that is how we tell each other apart. [Laughter.] 

Senator CARPER. You mentioned Mike Bloomberg, the Mayor of 

New York City? 

Mr. FERRIERO. From Medford, Massachusetts. 

Senator CARPER. Oh, really? How about that. I was with him a 

couple of years ago, and he was here receiving an award on behalf 

of the schools in New York City. They were being recognized as the 

best urban school district in the country, among four or five others. 

When he received the award, he was talking about the young people in the schools and how bright they are, how much they have 

learned, and how fast they are coming along. He was sort of inferring that they were much smarter than his generation. And he 

talked about his own achievements in college, and he said, ‘‘My role 

in college was to make it possible for others to be in the top half 

of the class.’’ [Laughter.] 
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I mentioned that to Senator McCain just before he voted on his 

amendment. Senator McCain said, ‘‘I am going to steal that line.’’ 

And I said, why shouldn’t you? I already have. [Laughter.] 

Well, today, we are going to be considering the nomination of 

David Ferriero to be the Archivist of the United States, the National Archives and Records Administration. 

I am not going to repeat the things that Senator Hagan has said, 

in the interest of time. As we meet here, there is also a markup 

going on at the Finance Committee. Let me say for our young people who are sitting out there and may not realize that Senators 

used to use quill pens, and whenever we were voting on legislation, 

a piece of legislation that might be introduced, these old fellows 

would sit around with their quill pens and they would mark up the 

legislation. We now have computers to help us with these things. 

But the term ‘‘markup’’ is still used to describe what happens in 

the Committee before a bill comes to the Floor of the House or Senate. 

But there is a markup going on just down the hall at the Finance 

Committee, on which I serve, and we are marking up health care 

reform, and as soon as we finish here, I am going to slip back down 

there and get to work with my other compadres. 

When you look at the seats up here, we probably have 17 people 

who serve on this Committee and the seats are empty. And you 

might say, well, why is that? If your nomination was in trouble, 

they would be full. [Laughter.] 

This is not bad news. This is actually positive. You should welcome this, I think. 

Let me just say, I am pleased that the President has sent us 

such a qualified candidate for this position. As I am sure Mr. 

Ferriero will point out in his opening statement, he has experience 

working with the National Archives in his previous positions and 

will hopefully bring in some fresh new ideas, if confirmed as its 

leader. 

In his previous role as head of the New York Public Library, Mr. 

Ferriero worked to increase efficiency and to streamline its operations. Mr. Ferriero has also harnessed the power of the Internet 

to make it easier for citizens to access the holdings of the New 

York Public Library from the comfort of their homes. He understands very well the tough work that lies ahead, should he be confirmed. 

When Mr. Ferriero and I sat down together recently, he made 

clear that there are issues that the world is looking to the National 

Archives to help solve and that he would like to take a leadership 

role in solving them. Good for you. 

First, there is the issue of electronic records management. Every 

year, more and more records are being produced entirely in electronic form. For example, I am sure a good number of people in 

this room sent an e-mail today—I know I have—that contained an 

attachment with a document, photo, or a video. Now, not all those 

records will be important for our Nation’s history, but some may 

be. In the past few decades, important electronic records, such as 

e-mail, have been printed on paper and placed in a filing cabinet, 

but we cannot go on doing that forever. 
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To address this challenge, the National Archives is developing an 

information technology (IT) system that can store the government’s 

electronic records forever, and that is a long time. While this technology sounds promising, there are many experts who question 

whether or not it will be effective. For example, will we know in 

the year 2109 that an electronic record created in 1999 is the original? I do not have an answer to that question, and I doubt that 

many people here do, but it is one that Mr. Ferriero will be responsible for finding out if he is entrusted with this position for which 

he has been nominated. 

The second area I want to touch on is the cost of running the 

Presidential Libraries. 

The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 requires the National Archives to maintain libraries from President Hoover onward. Pretty 

soon, we will see President George W. Bush’s library added to that 

list. These libraries are typically privately constructed and then 

deeded and maintained by our Federal Government, as we know. 

However, some library facilities have unexpectedly required millions of dollars in additional funding from Congress in order to prevent the destruction of priceless artifacts from leaking roofs, poor 

infrastructure, and improper temperature controls. Further, I 

learned last year at a hearing that some records in Presidential Libraries are often unavailable to the public for extended periods of 

time. 

That is why I asked my colleagues on this Committee to join me 

in passing a bill during the last Congress that asked the National 

Archives to take a hard look at the Presidential Library system. 

The bill asked the Archives to report back to Congress on ways to 

better preserve presidential materials, to reduce the financial burden on the Federal Government, and to reduce the delay in public 

access to the records that are held by those libraries. In fact, we 

recently received that report, and I look forward to partnering with 

Mr. Ferriero to take steps to save costs and better protect these 

precious national treasures. 

And finally, I would like to touch on the leadership role of the 

National Archives. Every year, millions of paper-based and electronic records are created by our government. Some of these 

records are at risk of being lost forever because the recordkeeping 

systems used by our agencies are flawed. We saw this unfortunate 

situation unfold when 3 months’ worth of Bush White House emails leading up to the start of the Iraq War went AWOL. I am 

not sure if all those e-mails were recovered, but that is a situation 

that simply never should have occurred in the first place. 

In addition, we have needlessly spent millions of taxpayer dollars 

declassifying records that never should have been classified in the 

beginning. And when records are labeled ‘‘classified,’’ it takes decades longer than it should to finally declassify them. For example, 

my staff tells me that the National Archives has records that are 

unavailable to the public that date back to the Spanish-American 

War due to their classified status. That is unacceptable. 

One major challenge for Mr. Ferriero, if he is confirmed, will be 

to make sure that the National Archives assumes the leadership 

role Congress intended back in 1934 and more aggressively works 

with agencies to appropriately manage their records. 
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1The prepared statement of Mr. Ferriero appears in the Appendix on page 17. 

My thanks to you, Mr. Ferriero, for your willingness to tackle 

this difficult, challenging role. And I want to say to your wife, who 

is sitting there behind you, over your right shoulder, and to others 

in the audience who like you, who care for you, but especially to 

your wife and family, a real special thanks to you for sharing with 

our Nation a very good human being. 

Others may join us during the course of this hearing, and if they 

do, I will be pleased to recognize them to ask questions or, probably 

in more cases, to submit questions for the record. 

I understand that you have filed responses to a biographical and 

financial questionnaire. You have also answered prehearing questions submitted by the Committee. In addition, the financial statements have been reviewed by the Office of Government Ethics. 

Without objection, that information will be made part of this hearing record. Financial data, however, will be published on the front 

page of the Washington Post for all to see. [Laughter.] 

No, I am kidding. Financial data will remain on file and available for public inspection in the Committee offices. 

Committee rules require that all witnesses at nomination hearings give their testimony under oath, and I am going to ask, Mr. 

Ferriero, would you please stand and raise your right hand at this 

time, and I will do the same. 

Mr. Ferriero, do you swear that the testimony you will give before this Committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 

but the truth, so help you, God? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I do. 

Senator CARPER. Very well. Thank you. 

As you begin your testimony today, feel free to introduce anyone 

in the audience that you would like to introduce, and then proceed 

with your opening statement. 

Try to stay close to 10 minutes, and then I will ask three standard questions once you finish and then we will get into the real 

questions. 

Mr. Ferriero, you are recognized. Please proceed. And again, your 

entire statement will be made part of the record. Welcome. 

TESTIMONY OF DAVID S. FERRIERO,1 TO BE ARCHIVIST OF 

THE UNITED STATES, NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS 

ADMINISTRATION 

Mr. FERRIERO. Chairman Carper, Committee staff, family, 

friends, and members of the gallery, I am triply blessed to be 

claimed by three home States, Massachusetts, North Carolina, and 

New York, and I am especially proud to have Senator Hagan say 

those kind words in my name. 

At my current institution, the New York Public Library, Senator 

Schumer from New York has been incredibly helpful in helping us 

prepare for our 100th anniversary of the opening of the flagship library on Fifth Avenue, and I want to acknowledge his support of 

the New York Public Library. 

I appear before you today, the proud grandson of Italian immigrants and the great-grandson of Irish immigrants. It is a humbling experience to be called to service by the President of the 
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United States, an experience which allows, indeed, forces one to reflect upon all the individuals and opportunities which have gotten 

me to this moment. 

The product of an outstanding public education system in Beverly, Massachusetts, I attended Northeastern University, the Nation’s leading cooperative education program. My father worked at 

least two jobs, often three, throughout my childhood. My mother 

took a job cleaning floors at Beverly Hospital to ensure that I could 

go to college. The cooperative education program gave me an education and my first experience with research libraries, which set 

the stage for a career spanning more than 40 years. 

A 4-year enlistment in the U.S. Navy, including a year in Vietnam, afforded me the opportunity to be trained as a hospital corpsman with a specialty in neuropsychiatry. The Navy provided me 

with a set of people skills that I use every day of my life. 

My work experience in three of the Nation’s leading institutions 

has provided me with a set of professional credentials of particular 

value to the National Archives and Records Administration. At 

MIT, where I started shelving books in 1965 and left having served 

as Acting Co-Director of Libraries; at Duke, where I was University 

Librarian; and at the New York Public Library, where I serve as 

the Andrew W. Mellon Director of Libraries, I have had administrative responsibilities for institutional archives and records management programs. In all three settings, I have had preservation 

and conservation experience, including creating the preservation 

program at Duke. Most importantly, I have experienced and managed aspects of technological transformation over the years in all 

three environments. 

The mission of the Archives is to safeguard and preserve the 

records of our government, ensuring that people can discover, use, 

and learn from this documentary heritage. Carved into the north 

facade of the Archives building a few blocks from us, the mission 

is expressed more simply: ‘‘This building holds in trust the records 

of our national life and symbolizes our faith in the permanency of 

our national institutions.’’ This is an awesome responsibility and, 

at the same time, given the impact of technology on these records, 

an exciting challenge for one who spent his career managing 

change. 

Robert Digges Wimberly Connor, as Senator Hagan mentioned, 

our Nation’s first Archivist, in 1934 surveyed 225 buildings whose 

records would be housed in the new Archives building, some 1.4 

million cubic feet of records. To quote Mr. Connor, ‘‘45 percent of 

the total are infested with silverfish, cockroaches, and other insects, rats, mice, and other vermin, and exposed to such hazards 

as dirt, rain, sunlight, theft, and fire. More than 46 percent of the 

total were in depositories that were dark, dirty, badly ventilated, 

crowded, and without facilities for work.’’ 

‘‘Typical was the case of valuable records relating to Indian affairs, which were found on dust-covered shelves mingled higgledypiggledy with empty whiskey bottles, pieces of soap, rags, and 

other trash. In another depository crowded with archives of the 

government, the most prominent object to one entering the room 

was the skull of a dead cat protruding from under a pile of valuable records.’’ 
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Senator CARPER. You are not making this stuff up, are you? 

[Laughter.] 

Mr. FERRIERO. It is from the UNC archives. 

Senator CARPER. It must be true. [Laughter.] 

Mr. FERRIERO. ‘‘If a cat with nine lives to risk in the cause of history could not survive the conditions of research in the depositories 

of our National Archives, surely the poor historian with only one 

life to give to his country may be excused if he declines to take the 

risk.’’ 

We have come a long way since 1934, when Mr. Connor’s survey 

was completed, but I would suggest that we are at a similar defining moment with regard to our existing electronic records, social 

media communications, and emerging technologies being used 

throughout government offices. 

The vermin and insects have been replaced by a variety of software packages, platforms, and old technologies. The lack of standards even in the same agencies add to the complexity of the problem. 

The ability of the Archives to fulfill its mission in the electronic 

environment is just one of the many challenges on the agenda for 

the new Archivist. Of equal concern are issues of collection security, the future of the Presidential Library system, backlogs in 

processing, staff job satisfaction, stakeholder relationships, preservation and storage needs, to name but a few. 

I promise you all that, if confirmed, I will work hard to ensure 

that I carry out my responsibilities in a professional, nonpartisan, 

and collegial manner. I would ask at the same time for your support as I work through this ambitious agenda. 

It has been 40 years since my last commitment to serve my country. A more mature and seasoned servant asks for your confirmation. 

Senator CARPER. That is a great statement. 

As I said earlier, Committee rules require me to ask the first 

three questions in this order, and then the remaining questions 

will follow. 

Let me start by asking those standard questions, and the first of 

those, is there anything that you are aware of in your background 

that might present a conflict of interest with the duties of the office 

to which you have been nominated? 

Mr. FERRIERO. No. 

Senator CARPER. Second question, do you know of anything, personal or otherwise, that would in any way prevent you from fully 

and honorably discharging the responsibilities of the office to which 

you have been nominated? 

Mr. FERRIERO. No. 

Senator CARPER. Do you agree without reservation to respond to 

any reasonable summons to appear and testify before any duly constituted committee of Congress if you are confirmed? 

Mr. FERRIERO. Yes. 

Senator CARPER. I recall an earlier confirmation hearing when I 

came in as I did here and said hello to the nominee, met the nominee’s family, and one of his lifelong friends, I think a roommate in 

college, was sitting right behind him. And I was kidding him about 

knowing some stories about the nominee that he might want to 
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share as a character witness, and when I got to the second question, I said, do you know of anything personal or otherwise that 

would in any way prevent you from fully and honorably discharging the responsibility of the office to which you have been 

nominated; I looked at the nominee, and right behind him was his 

old college roommate, and I was sure that the old college roommate 

was rolling his eyes. [Laughter.] 

Let me start off with this question, if I can. Some of our questions are somewhat esoteric and not especially timely. This one, I 

think, is a bit more timely, and it was reported as recently as this 

morning in the news. Wired Magazine is reporting that the Archives Inspector General is looking into whether the Archives potentially lost a massive amount of personally identifiable information when a defective hard drive was returned to the vendor. I am 

told that health information for up to 70 million veterans—that 

could include us—may have been compromised. 

I do not expect you to know the specific facts of the case, but this 

incident disturbs me, and I am sure it disturbs a lot of us. It seems 

like this is just really one incident in a series of mishaps at the 

Archives in recent years. For example, it was only a couple of 

months ago when we learned that the hard drive containing information, I think, on Secret Service activities of the White House 

was stolen from a secure Archives facility. 

With that as background, let me just ask, if confirmed, what will 

be your response to incidents of this nature and others like it? 

What will you do to prevent situations like this from happening 

again? 

Mr. FERRIERO. Let me start with the Wired report, since I did 

read it and have some background information on it. The hard 

drive crashed in November 2008 and was sent out for repair using 

a GSA-approved vendor and following standard procedures, which 

did not at that point, in November 2008, require scrubbing the data 

before the hard drive went out. Since then, the Archives has 

changed their practice—— 

Senator CARPER. Do you know when? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I do not know. I think it was as soon as this incident was reported. 

Senator CARPER. OK. 

Mr. FERRIERO. So that is what I know about that particular incident. 

The other incident, with the Clinton hard drive, is more complicated in that it was taken from an internal processing office 

where no outside person, no user would have access. So this is one 

of the problems that all of us in research libraries deal with every 

day, this tension balance between providing access and protecting 

the collections, and it is particularly a problem—the FBI reports in 

a recent study that 75 percent of these problems are internal. It 

is staff, it is not outside users. So those are even more disturbing 

and more difficult to deal with. And it is clear, based on the briefings that I have had about the Clinton hard drive issue, that looks 

like it was a staff position was involved in this. 

I would guess, just based on what I know about the situation, 

that the individual who took it was not looking for the content, but 

it was the device. It was on a MyBook device. And I would guess, 
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having worked with a lot of students in my 40 years, that once he 

discovered what it was, he was petrified and didn’t know what to 

do. That is not an excuse for it, but that is what I would suspect 

happened. 

This has resulted in the creation of a task force within the Archives to reassess the security procedures. I would expect that to 

be an ongoing process, that security procedures need to be reviewed 

constantly. And it is also an opportunity for the Archives to work 

closely with the Inspector General around issues like that. 

Senator CARPER. All right. Well, I expect if you are confirmed, we 

will want to follow up on this, and somewhere down the road, 

maybe the first part of next year, to revisit this issue with you, not 

in a hearing, but more informally, and find out what is going on 

and what has happened under your watch to prevent situations 

like this from happening again. 

The next issue I want to raise, I actually think I mentioned this 

in my statement, revolves, again, around electronic records. I think 

you and I discussed this briefly a couple of weeks ago when you 

were good enough to spend some time with my staff and with me, 

but this is an issue that I think is going to continue to perplex us 

for some time to come. 

For example, I have heard that there is more electronic information created in a year on the Internet than all the written information created in human history. That is a lot. And the Federal Government is using the Internet more and more, as you know, every 

year to interact with citizens—I do that as a Senator—whether it 

is with the upcoming census, tax filings, or even discussions on 

health care. 

Can you just take a few minutes with us this afternoon and lay 

out what you believe are maybe the top two or three challenges facing the National Archives with respect to electronic records and 

what you suspect needs to get done, starting on day one when you 

are confirmed? 

Mr. FERRIERO. Well, as I said in my comparison to what Mr. 

Connor discovered and where we are now, one of the real issues 

that the Archives is facing in this Electronic Records Archives 

Project is the lack of standards across government agencies, and 

that makes ingestion of electronic records incredibly difficult. So we 

have multiple different kinds of homegrown packages, software 

that has been developed, off-the-shelf packages, varying platforms 

that are being used, and it just complicates the ease with which 

that information is captured. 

I have been thinking a lot about this, and I think there are a 

couple of sitting groups who need to be more involved in this process. The Chief Information Officer (CIO) group across the agencies, 

I think, has a role to play since they support the technology in the 

agencies, and I think thinking about a standardization process that 

makes it easier for the agencies to comply as well as easier for the 

Archives to capture this information is one way of doing that. 

Another part of the issue, I think, is the training and education 

and compliance across the agencies, and this is a role that the Archives has a responsibility to be assertive and aggressive in. My experience in my previous lives around records management is that 

the assignment is usually given to the most junior person in the 
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department, and it is usually a high-turnover position, so you are 

constantly in the situation of retraining and reeducating the most 

junior member of an organization. I am not sure that is true in the 

agencies, but I would guess that there is a fairly high turnover in 

the person responsible for managing the records, so that is another 

thing that I would be paying attention to. 

Senator CARPER. Good. I know you spent a fair amount of time 

in the last couple of decades managing libraries. As I mentioned in 

my opening statement, the National Archives manages not one, but 

12 presidential libraries and will soon be adding another one. However, the previous Archivist, Dr. Weinstein—do you know him? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I have met him. I don’t know him. 

Senator CARPER. He said in a hearing last year that the presidential libraries are consuming ever more of the time and resources 

of the National Archives and he was not sure if it was fiscally possible for the Archives to continue this trend. What do you see as 

some of the challenges in managing the Presidential Libraries and 

what might be some of your approaches to solving them? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I have been bringing myself up to speed on the 

Presidential Library system. It is a wonderful example of privatepublic support of an institution, very similar to the New York Public Library in terms of the public philanthropy that goes into it as 

well as government funding. 

My concerns have to do with concerns that anyone managing a 

decentralized library system feels, and that is the more facilities 

you have, the more problems you have around security of collections and the facilities themselves. So we have in this situation a 

series of buildings that have been built over time, since the 1930s, 

which are in varying states of need, and I think the capital issues 

around them continue to grow, and I have read the report that was 

submitted on Monday outlining five different scenarios for the future, ranging from status quo with some minor adjustments all the 

way to some kind of centralization of the collections. This is something that we need to have more discussion about. But I am concerned about security of collections, and sustainability of the model, 

I think, is my biggest problem. 

Senator CARPER. One way to save a lot of time and money, as 

we all know, is to catch problems before they spiral out of control, 

and that is true in a lot of ways. I also believe it is true with respect to records management. For example, our government does 

not let companies get away with losing company records, but it 

seems that a lot of agencies consider records management almost 

an afterthought. Instead of thinking of ways to prevent over-classification, agencies seem to classify first and ask questions later. It 

was that way when I was in the Navy, and I am sure it was for 

you, too. But that kind of thinking costs the taxpayers ultimately 

a lot of money. It does not allow citizens to hold our government 

as accountable as they otherwise might be able to. 

What do you believe is the role of the Archives and how the Archives might be helping to prevent problems like over-classification? What do you believe should be done to reduce the immense 

backlog of information that is decades old and yet still classified, 

even as far back, as I said earlier, to the Spanish-American War? 
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Mr. FERRIERO. We are about to create the Declassification Center 

in the Archives. That has been approved, and I think we are waiting for an Executive Order to actually create the Declassification 

Center. So there is a plan to begin that process. That will take care 

of where we are now in terms of the mountain of material, but it 

seems to me that we need to address the problem from the start, 

at the point that records are created, and that the decision needs 

to be made to err on the side of openness as opposed to classification, and that is what I would be looking at. 

Senator CARPER. As you know, the National Archives was established as an independent agency to manage the records of both the 

Executive and Legislative Branches. However, there have been a 

few instances over the past decade or so when the independence of 

the Archives has been questioned by outside groups. For example, 

in my opening statement, I mentioned an instance when the White 

House Office for Administration disabled a working records management system for several months without installing a new one. 

In this situation and others like it, the National Archives may have 

to take a leadership role and hold another agency or branch of the 

Federal Government accountable. What are your thoughts with respect to the independence of the Archives, and second, what would 

you do if you feel political pressure from one agency or even one 

branch or another? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I think that the success of the Archives depends 

on that independence and that neutrality, and I am pleased that 

Congress also sees that in the establishment of recent offices, the 

Office of Government Information Services and the National Declassification Center that I mentioned earlier. Siting them in the 

Archives is a message relating to the perceived independence of 

those organizations, and I would fight very hard to make sure that 

their independence is carried out. 

It is not unsimilar to—certainly not on the same scale, but it reminds me very much of a university setting where you have competing departments and the library remaining as the neutral, independent body. So I do have some limited experience in that area. 

In terms of what I would do if I were faced with it, I would exercise my authority as the Archivist of the United States, and I 

would seek the support of your Committee and other committees 

that would help me exercise that authority. 

Senator CARPER. We could be your back-up. 

Maybe two more questions and then we will have the audience 

vote as to whether or not we should go forward. [Laughter.] 

Mr. FERRIERO. Is that the way it works? 

Senator CARPER. In football, they do audibles with the quarterback at the line of scrimmage, so maybe we will do one of those. 

I am not sure how many people in the room know this, but this 

year marks the 75th anniversary of the National Archives, which 

some of the folks in the audience, I think, may actually serve in 

the National Archives today. If you do, would you raise your hand? 

[Show of hands.] 

Thank you for your service. It is great that you are here today. 

One or two, I think I have met before, so it is good to see you 

again. Whenever we have newly elected senators, elected in November of every even-numbered year, a couple of weeks after they 
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are elected, we have something that Senators Alexander, 

Voinovich, and Pryor of Arkansas introduced about 5 years ago, 

and that is orientation for new Senators and their spouses. One of 

the special things that we do during that 3-day period, which is a 

fairly intensive period of training and orientation, is on one of 

those nights the Archives is good enough to host a reception at the 

Archives and give a chance for our new Senators and spouses to 

actually visit the Archives and to not only better understand our 

history and the treasures you hold there, but also to develop a better sense of what the Archives does. Years later, Senators, as they 

become grizzled veterans, are fond of recalling that evening. So my 

hope is that we will be able to do that in the future. 

A few months ago, I spoke on the Senate floor to commemorate 

the anniversary and to thank all the hard-working men and women 

at the Archives. I am told that over 1 million people a year visit 

the main facility to take a glimpse at the Declaration of Independence, our Nation’s Constitution, and other exhibits. 

Mr. Ferriero, if confirmed, one of your many responsibilities will 

be to reach out and to educate the citizenry on the history of our 

country and to attempt to ensure that information that they need 

is available to them. What opportunities are there that you might 

be exploiting to expand the National Archives outreach, and second, are there ways that you will leverage the Internet to make the 

Archive holdings more accessible to citizens here and around the 

world? 

Mr. FERRIERO. One of the goals of the whole Electronic Records 

Archives Project is public access, and at the end of this project— 

actually, much sooner than that, next year—you will actually be 

able to, from wherever you are, access the records of the United 

States, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. 

I think, in answer to your question about educational outreach, 

the Archives has a very good track record working with schools and 

working with teachers physically and getting those materials available to teachers on the Archives website. There is a lot of material 

there. But I think that is the future of the outreach to the K 

through 12 community, engaging the teachers to use Archives materials in the preparation of lesson plans, to share those lesson 

plans electronically so that people can use one another’s lesson 

plans. We will always be in the business of welcoming the public 

and schoolchildren to the physical facility itself. Nothing takes the 

place of that. 

Senator CARPER. I have about 300 more questions here. I am not 

going to read them all, but I am going to submit maybe a couple 

more questions for the record. My colleagues may have questions 

that they want to submit. We are going to leave the hearing record 

open until close of business tomorrow so that they might do that. 

When you receive those questions from me or from our colleagues, 

I would just ask you to respond to them promptly so we can move 

this nomination along. 

Is there anything else that you would like to say before we wrap 

it up? 

Mr. FERRIERO. I would just like to compliment the staff of the 

Committee. I had an extraordinary meeting with them, and it reminded me of my interview at Duke University. 
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They were bright, articulate, asked good questions, they are engaged, they knew a whole lot. I was very impressed. 

Senator CARPER. Well, that is nice to hear. I feel very fortunate 

to have the folks around me, and I know I speak for my colleagues 

on the Subcommittee. We are very fortunate with the folks who 

help us and help us serve the country. And you are going to be fortunate, too, if confirmed, with the people that you will have around 

you. So we want to wish you well. 

Every now and then, I notice in the audience we have young people—and this young man and woman who are sitting here in the 

front row over your left shoulder, are they from Switzerland? 

Mr. FERRIERO. They are from Switzerland. 

Senator CARPER. You get a prize for coming the furthest to today’s hearing. Sometimes we have children, usually younger than 

this young man and woman, who are here to support their mom 

or their dad, or their aunt or their uncle, and they are all over the 

place. You can tell, they want to be anywhere in the world but 

right here in this room. I just want to say that this young man and 

woman were models of decorum. If they were feigning interest, 

they did a good job. [Laughter.] 

But we are glad that the two of you are here. We are glad that 

you brought your parents all the way from Switzerland. 

And again to your wife, we welcome you and thank you for your 

willingness to share with us a good man. 

For all others who have joined us, thank you, and I wish you a 

good day. 

With that, this hearing is adjourned. 

[Whereupon, at 3:53 p.m., the Committee was adjourned.] 
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