From: Robert Berman [mailto:bermaneconomics@gmail.com] 

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:17 AM 

To: Brian Coffey 

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Subject: Re: Engineering Data Exchange 

Good Morning Brian, 

The most significant design details missing from the spreadsheet are the A & B factors for the 

least-cost design of each CSL/dEL/TSL and the no-load or core losses and the load or coil losses. 

I recommend that the latter be shown at 75C and that the temperature rise also be shown as 75C 

rather than 65C. Showing the weight of the core assembly, radiator size and weight and 

insulation would also be helpful. The A & B factors are the best measure of the costs we are 

trying to avoid (not considering environmental or social costs) by setting a 

particular CSL/dEL/TSL as a MEPS. 

Finally, it's not clear why we are sill looking at core steel grade below M3 for liquid-filled. My 

understanding is that M3 is the lowest grade that can reasonably be used under current standards. 

Regards,

Robert A. Berman, Principal

Berman Economics

www.BermanEconomics.com

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BermanEconomics@gmail.com

On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Brian Coffey wrote: 

MV Committee Members,
  

Several of the group have proposed that DOE facilitate a bidirectional exchange of engineering data.

Attached is one kind of template that could be used to compare the ways in which different parties can

achieve certain efficiency levels. DOE would populate the spreadsheet with detailed design information

for the least cost transformers able to achieve the draft efficiency levels using different steels.

  

Data provided to DOE could then be compared to the DOE designs and differences explained. Because

this data would likely be considered confidential, Navigant is willing  to enter into nondisclosure

agreements with any party submitting such data. This process would first be used to verify the

engineering analysis of the current representative units and could be expanded to analyze scaling

relationships.

  

We welcome comments and specific suggestions of how this process could be implemented.

  

Best,

  

Brian Coffey

  

  

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