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NOT E T O DOCKET Nos . A-98-13 . A-96-04 . OAR-2002-OO58 . OAR-2002.Q059 - OAR-2Q02 - 006 0 SUBJECT : Ma

y 1,2003 , meetin g betwee n EP A andrepresentative s ofth e Amerioan Chemistr y Counci l an dGenera

l Electri c Co . FROM : Mike Thrift , Attorney , EPA Ofi&c e o f General Counsel , Ai r

an dRadiatio n La w Office O n May 1,2003 , representatives ofth e American Chemistr y Counci l (ACC ) an dth e Genera l Electri c Company (GE ) me t vit hEP A personne l fromth e Offic e o f General Counse l (OGC) , Offic e o f

Ai r an dRadiatio n (OAR) , an dOffic e o f Ai r Qualit y Plannin g an dStandard s (OAQPS) , t o discus s th e continue ddevelopment o f EPA' s maximu machievabl e contro l technolog y (MACT ) programt o contro l emission s o f hazardou s ai r

pollutant s under

sectio n 11 2 ofth e Clea

n Ai r Act . Specifically , AC C andG E addresse dfive pendin g rulemaking s regardin g th e combustio n turbines , miscellaneou s organics , organi c liquid s distribution , reciprocatin g interna l combustio n engines , an dindustrial boilers/proces s heater s subcategories . Presen t a t th e meetin g were th e followin g individuals : . Rober t Fabricaht (EPA OGC ) Lis aJaeger

(EP A OGC ) Ann aWolgas t

(EPA OGC ) Joh n Spinell o (EPA OGC ) LisaFriedma

n (EPA OGC ) Patrici aEmbre y (EP

A OGC ) Mile c Thrif t (EPA OGC ) Bil l Wehru mCBP

A OAR) Ro n Shiple y (ACC ) Rasm aZvaner s (ACC ) Mat t Tanzer (GE ) Participatin g b y conferenc e phon e were : Stev e Fru h(OAQPS ) Elain e Mannin g (OAQPS ) Followin g th e attache dpresentatio n entitle d"Th e En do f EPA' s MAC T Program " presente dt o EP A a

t th e meeting , Mr . Shipley expresse dACC' s concer n that recen t decision s b y th e U.S . Cour

t of Appeal s for

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i n EP A departin g fromit s prio r

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th e MAC T program , particularl y regardin g issue s relate dt o whic h hazardou s air

pollutant s ar

e subjecte dt o standards , th e methodolog y EP A use s t o se t standards , andth e treatmen t

o f smal l amount s o f

emission s o f

hazardou s ai r

pollutants . Mr . Shiple y als o 1P. 3

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state dtha t AC C i s concerne dabout

recen t effort s b y environmenta

l advocate s t o convinc e EP A t o talce a"statistica l approach " t o settin g minimumstringenc y standard s unde r MACT , an dt o regulate al l hazardou s air

pollutant s emitte db y subjec t sourc e categories . Mr . Shiple y the n note dACC' s vie w tha t recen t EP A MAC T proposal s d o no t appea r t o fully account

for th e recen t

cour t decision s fromth e D.C . Circuit , andtha t EP A need s to ; develo p aguidin g principl e t o th e MAC T approac hi n ligh t o f thes e decisions ; ensure tha t data, suppor

t regulatory theorie s an ddecisions ; preserv e agenc y discretio n i n settin g applicability criteria ; adequatel y suppor

t i n th e rulemakin g recordMAC T "floor " deterrninations ; an dcarefully addres s issue s suc ha s whether risk can b e afactor

i n th e MAC T standardsettin g process . Fo r example , o n thi s las t

point , Mr . Shiple y state dtha t AC C believe s sectio n 112(d)(4 ) ofth e Clean Ai r Ac t can b e use dt o se t

alternativ e standard s for

hazardou s ai r

pollutant s for

whic hahealth threshol dha s bee n established , eve n i f AC C i s not

abl e t o answer

whether i t ca n b e use dfo

r non threshol dcarcinogens . Regardin g recen t

D.C . Circui t

cas e law , Mr . Shipley state dACC' s vie w tha t th e court' s languag e i n National Lime Ass' n v . EPA . 23 3 F.3 d62 5 (D.C . Cir . 2000 ) diiectin g EP A t o se t standard s fo

r al l hazardou s air

pollutant s emitte db y subjec t source s i s essentiall y dicta , an dtha t EP A i s free t o rel y upo n a"n o control " rationale , d e minimi s finding , o r surrogat e pollutan t approac hi n order

t o ayoi dsettin g standard s for ever y pollutan t

liste di n sectio n 112(b) . Mr . Shipley als o state dthat

AC C believe s EP A - an dth e cour t - too k an incorrec t

approac hi n tha t cas e i n addressin g whether <4 e minimi s theor

y can b e use dt o exemp t

source s o r

pollutant s from MACT .I n conclusion , Mr . Shipley note dthat whil e th e MAC T progra mha s bee n largel y successful , th e controvers y no w enshroudin g th e programput s tha t succes s at

risk, an dh e stresse dthat

a s aresul t

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