d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 1**

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY UNITED STATES

IN THE MATTER OF: NATIONAL AMBIENT AIR QUALITY 74 FEDERAL REGISTER STANDARDS SULFUR DIOXIDE 64810-64881 PROPOSED RULE

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TRANSCRIPT OF PUBLIC HEARING

January 5, 2010

10:00 a.m.

61 Forsyth Street, Southwest Second Floor Conference Room Atlanta, Georgia

Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 2** 1 APPEARANCES 2 3 On behalf of United States Environmental Protection 4 Agency: CHAIR: 5 ROSALINA RODRIGUEZ, Associate Director for Health and Environmental Impacts Division, Office of 6 Air Quality Planning and Standards 7 PANEL MEMBERS: CAROL KEMKER, Environmental Protection Agency Region 4 8 Office KEN LAPIERRE, Environmental Protection Agency Region 4 9 Office STEVEN SILVERMAN, Office of General Counsel 10 MICHAEL STEWART, Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards' Ambient Standards Group 11 NEALSON WATKINS, Office of Air Quality Planning and 12 Standards' Ambient Air Monitoring Group 13 SPEAKERS: ALLISON AMYX, Student, Emory University Candler 14 School of Theology IMRAN BATTLA, Consultant, Sustainable Atlanta 15 MARY CARR BENDECK, Renewable Energy Coordinator, Southern Alliance for Clean Energy 16 JOHN BLAIR, Representative, Valley Watch ROBERT BROWN, Director, Division of Planning, 17 Development and Outreach, South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control 18 HOWARD J. FELDMAN, Director of Regulatory and Scientific Affairs, American Petroleum Institute 19 JULIE E. GOODMAN, PhD, Gradient Environmental Consulting Firm Cambridge, American Petroleum 20 Institute LEROY GRAHAM, MD, Georgia Pediatric Pulmonary 21 Associates, PC ED HARRISON, Volunteer/Member Board of Directors, 22 American Lung Association Midland States BURT LESNICK, MD, American Thoracic Society 23 ANNIE MACKAY, Associate, Hunton & Williams, LLP ANNE MELLINGER-BIRDSONG, MD, Private Citizen 24 DEBORAH SHPRENTZ, Consultant, American Lung Association 25d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 3** 1 REBECCA WATTS HULL, Representative, Mothers & Others for Clean Air 2 CHARLES J. WHITE, Area Executive Director, American Lung Association Georgia/South Carolina 3 YOLANDA WHYTE, MD MARK WOODALL, Chairman of Executive Committee, Sierra 4 Club

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25d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 4** 1 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Good morning, and thank 2 you for attending the Environmental Protection Agency 3 public hearing on a proposed rule for sulfur dioxide, 4 SO2. I recognize that many of you have traveled 5 quite a distance to be here, and I appreciate your

6 efforts. 7 My name is Rosalina Rodriguez, and I am 8 the associate director for the Health and 9 Environmental Impacts Division for EPA's Office of 10 Air Quality Cleaning and Standards. I will be 11 chairing today's hearing. We are here today to 12 listen to your comments on EPA's proposed provision 13 to the Primary National Ambient Air Quality 14 Standards, or NAAQS, for sulfur dioxide. 15 As a reminder, this is a hearing, an 16 opportunity for the public to comment on EPA's 17 proposed rules. The Panel members may answer 18 questions that seek to clarify what we have proposed, 19 but the purpose of this hearing is to listen to your 20 comments, not to discuss or debate the proposal. 21 Before we move to the comment period, I 22 would like to briefly describe the proposed rule that 23 is the subject of today's hearing. The proposed rule 24 was published in the Federal Register on December 8, 25 2009. Based on its review of the air qualityd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 5** 1 criteria for oxides of sulfur and the primary NAAQS 2 for oxides of sulfur as measured by sulfur dioxide, 3 EPA is proposing to revise the primary SO2 NAAQS to 4 provide requisite protection of public health with an 5 adequate margin of safety. 6 Specifically, EPA proposes to replace the 7 current 24-hour and annual standards with a new 8 short-term SO2 standard based on the three-year 9 average of the 99th percentile, or fourth highest, of 10 the annual distribution of one-hour daily maximum 11 concentrations. 12 EPA proposes to set the level of this new 13 one-hour standard within the range of 50 to a hundred 14 parts per billion, or ppb's, and solicits comment on 15 standard levels as high as 150 ppb. Also, EPA 16 proposes changes to the ambient monitoring and 17 reporting requirements for SO2. 18 Consistent with the terms of a consent 19 decree, the Administrator will sign a notice of final 20 rulemaking by June 2nd, 2010. EPA also notes that 21 the proposed changes would not affect the secondary 22 SO2 NAAQS set to protect public welfare, because EPA 23 is considering the need for changes to the secondary 24 standard under a separate review. 25 Now, let me turn to the comment portion ofd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 6** 1 today's hearing. We will be preparing a written 2 transcript of today's hearing. The transcripts will 3 be available as part of the official record for each 4 rule. We are also accepting written comments for the 5 proposed rule until February 8th of 2010. We have a 6 handout available in the registration area with 7 detailed information for submitting written comments. 8 At this time, I would like to outline how 9 today's hearing will work. I will call the scheduled 10 speakers to the microphone in pairs. Please state 11 your name and your affiliation. It will help our 12 court reporter if you would also spell your name. 13 In order to be fair to everyone, we are 14 asking that you limit your testimony to five minutes 15 each and to remain at the microphone until both 16 speakers in the couple have finished. 17 After you finish your testimony, a Panel 18 member may ask clarifying questions. As I mentioned, 19 we are transcribing today's hearing, and each 20 speaker's oral testimony will become part of the 21 official record. Please be sure to give a copy of 22 any written comments to our staff at the registration 23 table outside. We will put the full text of your 24 written comments into the docket for you. 25 We do have a timekeeping system. It's notd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 7** 1 very high-tech, but we have a timekeeping system 2 consisting of cards that will be flashed to the 3 speakers by our highly technical team to my right 4 here. Please begin speaking when you are 5 acknowledged. 6 You will have five minutes to speak. We 7 will signal you when you have one minute left to 8 speak, and we will ask that you stop speaking when 9 your time is up. We intend to stay here until the 10 evening and until everyone has had an opportunity to

11 comment. 12 If you would like to testify, but have not 13 yet registered, please do so at the registration 14 table outside. For those who have already registered 15 to speak, we have tried to accommodate your request 16 for a specific time. We ask for your patience as we 17 proceed through the list, and we may need to make 18 some minor adjustments as the day progresses. 19 Now, I would like to introduce the EPA 20 representative on our Panel. To my immediate left, I 21 have Steve Silverman with the Office of the General 22 Counsel. Next to Steve is Ken Lapierre with our 23 regional office in Atlanta, Region 4. To my right, 24 Nealson Watkins with the Office of Air Quality 25 Planning and Standards' with the Air Monitoringd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 8** 1 Group, and then at the end of the table, Michael 2 Stewart, with the Office of Air Quality Planning and 3 Standards' in the Office of Ambient Standards Group. 4 I would like to thank all of you for 5 participating today, and, we'll get started. Our 6 court reporter is Yolanda Narcisse. I will call now 7 Dr. Anne Mellinger-Birdsong acting as a private 8 citizen and Howard Feldman with the American 9 Petroleum Institute. 10 DR. MELLINGER-BIRDSONG: Hello, thank you 11 for letting me speak today. My name is Anne 12 Mellinger-Birdsong. I am an epidemiologist and a 13 pediatrician. I'm here to comment on the proposed 14 changes to the NAAQS standard for sulfur dioxide, or

15 SO2. 16 I support the recommendation of the Clean 17 Air Science Advisory Committee to change the standard 18 to a one-hour standard of 50 per 100 parts per 19 billion. The CASAC reviewed many, many studies to 20 arrive at this recommendation. I can't review that 21 many in five minutes, so I will just highlight some 22 of the important ones. 23 Sulfur is a highly reactive element in the 24 same chemical family as oxygen. Sulfur dioxide has a 25 molecular structure similar to that of ozone, and thed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 9** 1 molecules have similar resonance structures. SO2 is 2 highly irritating to any mucous membrane it comes in 3 contact with; eyes, nose, or respiratory tract. SO2 4 is the most common molecule of several sulfur-oxygen 5 compounds referred to as SOx, and the one used to 6 track exposures and set standards for all the 7 compounds. It is formed from the burning of fossil 8 fuels, primarily in electric plants and other 9 industrial power production, and from the use of 10 high-sulfur diesel fuel. 11 Epidemiologic studies show that short-term 12 exposure to SO2 causes multiple adverse respiratory 13 effects including narrowing of the airways, decreased 14 FEV1, or forced expiratory ventilation in one minute, 15 in people with asthma and increased difficulty 16 breathing. The effects on FEV1 have no threshold. 17 Short-term exposure is linked to increased emergency 18 visits for respiratory symptoms, asthma, and even 19 cardiac symptoms. 20 People with heart problems, who are stable 21 in room air, usually need all the oxygen they are 22 getting in room air and will develop symptoms, if 23 anything, such as bronchoconstriction due to SO2 24 exposure, which causes them to have less oxygen in 25 their blood. People living on islands with volcanicd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 10** 1 SO2 exposures show respiratory symptoms of coughing 2 and phlegm production at a level of 31 parts per 3 billion. 4 There's also recent evidence from several 5 cities that SO2 may be linked to increased emergency 6 visits for migraine headaches, which could be quite 7 debilitating. That SO2 could cause headaches makes 8 sense, since people prone to migraines are warned to 9 stay away from foods preserved with sulfates or SO4. 10 SO2 may also contribute to an excess risk of low 11 birth weight. 12 Children with asthma are especially prone 13 to respiratory difficulty when their airways narrow 14 due to SO2 exposure. Children are also more likely 15 to have increased exposure to outdoor air pollution 16 due to longer time spent outside and increased 17 ventilation rates during outdoor play. 18 We, as adults, are directly responsible 19 for the welfare of children, whether they are our own 20 children or not. Children are not able to choose 21 where they live, where they go to school, or where 22 they play, or whether they breathe clean or polluted 23 air. Children are not able to have a risk/benefit 24 choice as adult workers are, because they derive no 25 benefit when exposed to polluted air. Adults choosed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 11** 1 where houses and factories are built, where schools 2 are located, and determine what the standards are for 3 the air children breathe. 4 Children with asthma are not able to 5 influence whether they develop asthma. It is a 6 complex interplay of genetics and environmental 7 factors none of which they control. Children with 8 asthma are probably the population groups most 9 vulnerable to the effects of air pollution, and we 10 ought to set our standards to protect them. 11 Therefore, I support the recommendation of

12 the CASAC to set a one-hour standard for sulfur 13 dioxide 50 parts per billion. Thank you. 14 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Mr. Feldman. 15 MR. FELDMAN: Good morning. I'm Howard 16 Feldman, director of the Regulatory and Scientific 17 Affairs at API. API is the primary trade association 18 for the oil and gas industry with about 400 members. 19 And, as you all know, we've been very active in the 20 NAAQS process over the years. 21 I want to make two points today, please. 22 First, the oil and gas industry has been part of the 23 air getting cleaner. And second, there's no need for 24 a short-term SO2 standard in the range which EPA has 25 proposed.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 12** 1 So, first, let's just talk about where we 2 are as a society. Since 1990, the oil and gas 3 industry has invested more than 175 billion -- that's 4 billion with a B -- towards environmental performance 5 and improvements in its products, facilities, and 6 operations. Approximately 57 percent of the 7 industry's $14 billion of environmental expenditures 8 in 2007 targeted air pollution abatement and meeting 9 or surpassing Clean Air Act requirements. 10 There's cleaner gasoline and cleaner 11 diesel fuel, and along with that, cleaner cars and 12 trucks and buses are able to operate. So EPA's 13 trends data, which is my Figure 1 -- this is the EPA 14 famous figure here -- which shows that between 1970 15 and 2008, while the vehicle miles traveled went up 16 163 percent, at the same time emissions of the six 17 criteria air pollutants dropped by 60 percent. So 18 we're seeing real progress. 19 According to EPA's TRI, since 1988, 20 releases and transfers of toxic chemicals from the 21 petroleum industry have decreased by 68 percent, and 22 all this progress is going to continue. EPA is 23 reworking programs that will lead to power plant 24 reductions in the eastern US. And cleaner gasoline 25 in cars and trucks will lead to 77 to 95 percentd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 13** 1 cleaner products, according to EPA. And this will 2 continue going forward. And we'll see ultra low 3 sulfur diesel rolling into more and more of the 4 fleet, and that will effectively be a 90 percent 5 reduction in emissions. 6 But let's talk about SO2 a little today. 7 That's what we're here for. According to EPA, SO2 8 air quality has improved dramatically. National 9 estimated SO2 emissions have decreased by 37 percent. 10 This is EPA's figure -- my Figure 2 -- 37 percent 11 reduction between 1990 and 2002. 12 And when we look at ambient air quality, 13 we see that there's been a 71 percent decrease in the 14 angle average from 1980 to 2008. So that's EPA's 15 data. So we see that there's a lot of programs that 16 have been successful, and there are going to be more 17 programs rolling into place. 18 And as recently as 2004, diesel fuel could 19 contain about 3,000 parts per million of sulfur. And 20 right now, with EPA in the industry, worked to cut 21 that to 500 ppm, and it's going to go down to 15 ppm 22 this coming year. And so, shipping fuel now is going 23 to be reduced as well in port and near-shore areas. 24 So that's going to be an additional 90 percent 25 reduction in sulfur content in the fuel.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 14** 1 So the question now is whether we need a 2 new short-term SO2 standard in the range EPA has 3 proposed. If it's intended simply to reduce 4 concentrations; we've been doing that already. So 5 that's clear we don't need it. So the question is do 6 we need it to address a particular health effect. 7 One basis for a standard are controlled 8 human exposure studies known as clinical studies 9 where test subjects are engaged in exercise in a 10 known atmosphere. Tests with SO2 in the air would 11 support a one-hour daily maximum at 400 ppb. 12 At this 400 ppb level, there's a small 13 reversible effect -- namely, a small reduction in the 14 volume of air taken into the lungs -- and such a 15 standard would be protected as it would account for 16 human variability and data uncertainties. 17 The noted effects observed at 400 ppb SO2 18 are reversible, transient, and commonly occur in 19 response to a variety of situations such as moderate 20 exercise, being out on a cold day -- like, thank you 21 Atlanta -- or everyday stress, or even if you're 22 watching a comedy movie, you could see those kinds of 23 effects. Another basis for a standard is to compare 24 data such as hospital visits in the level of SO2 in 25 the atmosphere at that time. For SO2, thesed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 15** 1 associations are weak, inconsistent, and insufficient 2 to serve as a basis for the proposed standard. 3 Reviews of the same data EPA considered in 4 proposing this NAAQS have come up with results that 5 differ from proposed one-hour standards in the range 6 of 50 to 100. For example, California adopted the 7 standard of 250 ppb for a one-hour standard not to be 8 exceeded at all and the World Health Organization 9 established a short-term SO2 standard of 190 ppb. 10 In closing, API wishes to, once again, 11 acknowledge the efforts of EPA, the states, and local 12 communities in providing cleaner air. Looking 13 forward, further improvements will come through 14 current regulations designed to meet the existing 15 standards such as cleaner fuels described above. 16 However, EPA has not demonstrated that a sulfur 17 dioxide one-hour standard in the range of 50 to 100 18 ppb is requisite to protect the public health with an 19 adequate margin of safety. 20 In addition, we all know that the Clean 21 Air Act mandates that the NAAQS be established solely 22 based on science. Given the lack of substance and 23 benefits, yet significant societal cost impact, EPA 24 needs to get the science correct. In light of the 25 dramatic sulfur dioxide reductions alreadyd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 16** 1 accomplished, which will continue, establishing this 2 unnecessarily stringent short-term standard is not 3 good public policy. 4 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you very much. Let 5 me ask the Panel if they have any questions for our 6 speaker. Questions? 7 MR. WATKINS: Thank you very much for 8 coming today. Mr. Feldman, I assume, in your written 9 comments you will address both, the analysis we 10 presented in the preamble and the case NAAQS analysis 11 that the clinical set cited are considered to be -- 12 MR. FELDMAN: Yes. And Dr. Goodman will 13 be speaking in the next group, and she's much more up 14 in the technical details of the science than I am, so 15 she will be a better person to get into that, but 16 those will be folded into the API comments. 17 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Nealson, do you have a 18 question?

19 MR. WATKINS: No. 20 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you very much. Let 21 me call the next two speakers, which are Dr. Julie 22 Goodman and Ms. Deborah Shprentz, who is with the 23 American Lung Association. And, Dr. Goodman, if you 24 would state your affiliation, because I don't have it 25 here. You may start.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 17** 1 DR. GOODMAN: I'm Dr. Julie Goodman from 2 Gradient Environmental Consulting Firm in Cambridge

3 here on behalf of ATI. 4 In the proposed rule, EPA recommends 5 revoking both the existing 24-hour and annual primary 6 SO2 NAAQS and replacing them with a one-hour daily 7 maximum primary SO2 NAAQS in the range of 50 to 100 8 parts per billion. Based on CASAC's recommendation, 9 the Administrator is requesting comments on a 10 standard as high as 150 ppb. 11 The proposed NAAQS is based primarily on 12 human clinical studies of exercising mild-to-moderate 13 asthmatics and, secondary, on epidemiological data. 14 There were no statistically significant increases of 15 respiratory systems or adverse health effects at SO2 16 exposures lower than 400 ppb in clinical studies. 17 NAAQS should protect against adverse or clinically

18 relevant effects. 19 In its proposed rule, EPA defines moderate 20 or greater decrements of lung function to be a 21 greater than or equal to 100 percent increase in sRaw 22 and/or a greater than or equal to 15 percent 23 decreases in FEV1. Based on recommendations by the 24 American Thoracic Society, EPA concluded that 25 moderate changes in lung function are clinicallyd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 18** 1 significant and adverse. The clinical data support 2 that adverse lung function effects attributable to 3 SO2 only occur at exposures of 400 ppb and higher. 4 EPA, however, suggested that clinically 5 relevant changes in lung function in a small number 6 of asthmatic volunteers were a result of exposure to 7 200 ppb SO2. EPA's interpretation of the human 8 clinical data and its application to the proposed 9 NAAQS is not scientifically justified for a number of

10 reasons. 11 EPA did not conduct statistical 12 comparisons of effects in exposed versus non-exposed 13 individuals. If a similar number of exposed 14 individuals have decrements and increments in lung 15 function after exercising, it is unlikely that 16 exposure is a causal factor. 17 Now, one of the studies that EPA relies on 18 was conducted by Linn, et al. in 1987. And in 2009, 19 Linn stated that while FEV1 decreased by 15 percent 20 or greater in five of 40 subjects exposed to 200 ppb 21 SO2, FEV1 also increased by 15 percent in greater 22 than five subjects -- sorry, 15 percent or higher in 23 five subjects. 24 Clinically significant lung function 25 decrements with exposure to 200 ppb SO2 in a smalld679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 19** 1 number of individuals does not necessarily signify a 2 clinically significant adverse effect from SO2 any 3 more than a few individuals with lung function 4 improvements signify a beneficial effect of SO2. 5 Further evidence that changes in lung 6 function were not due to SO2 exposure at 200 ppb 7 comes from a study by Bethel, et al. in 1985, who 8 provided data on baseline lung function measurements 9 of 28 volunteers. These investigators found that 10 baseline sRaw measurements collected on two 11 consecutive days varied by as much as 55 percent, and 12 11 of the 28 volunteers experienced a difference of 13 25 percent or greater. 14 The variability in baseline values 15 demonstrates that lung function can change 16 appreciably because of factors unrelated to SO2. 17 And, in addition, variability and baseline values can 18 lead to variable differences in lung function 19 post-exposure, even if the exposure had no effect. 20 Also, clinical studies have mostly been 21 performed on mild-to-moderate asthmatics. EPA 22 suggested that effects would have been greater had 23 studies been conducted in severe asthmatics, so the 24 NAAQS should be set lower to reflect this. In fact, 25 Linn, et al. 1987, found responses ofd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 20** 1 moderate-to-severe asthmatics to increasing SO2 2 concentrations were similar to those of 3 minimal-to-mild asthmatics. And this evidence 4 supports that responses to SO2 are not dependent on 5 clinical severity of asthma. 6 Now, in addition to the clinical studies, 7 EPA relies on epidemiological studies for support of 8 its proposed one-hour SO2 standard. Epidemiological 9 studies do not support associations between SO2 and 10 health effects at low exposures, as most 11 statistically significant findings are found in 12 single-pollutant but not multi-pollutant models, and 13 no findings were large, robust, or consistent. 14 In closing, an appropriate statistical 15 analysis of clinical studies of exercising asthmatics 16 show that statistically significant and clinically 17 relevant effects occur at exposures of 400 ppb SO2 18 and higher. The clinical data also show respiratory 19 symptoms occurred at exposures of 400 ppb SO2 and 20 higher. Thus, the benchmark level, or the 21 concentration representing an exposure of concern,

22 should be 400. 23 EPA's proposed one-hour standard of 50 to 24 150 ppb SO2 would appreciably limit exceedances of 25 200 ppb and substantially limit exceedances of 400.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 21** 1 Prevention of exceedances of 200 offers de minimus, 2 if any, benefit to public health over prevention of 3 exceedances of 400 parts per billion. Thank you. 4 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Ms. Shprentz. 5 MS. SHPRENTZ: Good morning. My name is 6 Deborah Shprentz, and I have been following the EPA's 7 review of the NAAQS for sulfur dioxide for the 8 American Lung Association. 9 Nearly 40 years ago, in 1971, EPA set the 10 first and only limits for sulfur dioxide in the air. 11 These standards were limits on the annual average and 12 24-hour concentration. To meet these standards, 13 power plants built tall stacks to disperse their SO2 14 emissions rather than reduce them at their source. 15 The Acid Rain Control Program required by 16 the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments allowed utility 17 sources to avoid pollution controls by buying 18 emission reduction credits from other power plants. 19 That means that even though most areas of the country 20 meet the current 24-hour standard, local hotspots and 21 pollution spikes still exist in power plant refinery 22 and smelter communities, particularly during 23 conditions of startup, shutdown, malfunctions, 24 upsets, and downwash, and also diesel pollution hubs 25 such as ports, bus depots, and rail yards.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 22** 1 Beginning in the late 1970s and continuing 2 throughout the 1980s, researchers reported on a 3 series of controlled human exposure studies 4 indicating that breathing SO2 pollution for just five 5 or ten minutes could worsen the condition of people 6 with asthma. 7 The pioneering work of Drs. Dean Sheppard, 8 Homer Boushey, John Balmes, Jane Koenig, Henry Gong, 9 Mary Amdur, and many others definitively established 10 that breathing short bursts of SO2 could cause 11 bronchoconstriction, a tightening of the airway 12 muscles, that makes it hard for asthma sufferers to

13 breathe. 14 For over 20 years, the American Lung 15 Association has advocated that EPA establish a 16 short-term standard for SO2 to protect the health of 17 people with asthma. However, for many years 18 industrial interests prevailed in the regulatory 19 process cynically arguing that kids with asthma were 20 unlikely to encounter sulfur dioxide plumes, and even 21 if they did, they could stay indoors or take 22 medication to relieve their symptoms. 23 We believe it is the responsibility of the 24 polluters to clean up their emissions so the air is 25 safe for everyone to breathe, including people withd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 23** 1 chronic respiratory diseases such as asthma and COPD. 2 We believe that pollution control is the first line 3 of defense and that people should not have to rely on 4 burdensome medication regimes with adverse side 5 effects to make it safe to breathe the outdoor air.

6 We know that the most vulnerable members 7 of society are most likely to live near air pollution 8 sources and are least likely to have access to 9 preventative healthcare. 10 The American Lung Association challenged 11 EPA's failure to establish a short-term SO2 standard 12 in court. And in 1998, the Court of Appeals ruled in 13 our favor and directed EPA to reconsider this issue. 14 In the intervening decade, over 50 new 15 epidemiological studies have reported that hourly and 16 daily concentrations of SO2 are associated with 17 serious harm to health, including increased risk of 18 emergency department visits and hospital admissions 19 for respiratory causes. Theses associations are 20 observed after controlling for other pollutants and 21 when daily SO2 levels are well below the current

22 standard. 23 We are very pleased that in the face of 24 overwhelming evidence, EPA has finally proposed to 25 establish a new short-term standard for SO2. Whiled679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 24** 1 we would have preferred a five-minute standard, we 2 support a new one-hour limit, supplemented by greatly 3 expanded five-minute monitoring, as a first step. 4 However, everything depends upon the level of the 5 final standard and the monitoring mechanism to

6 enforce the standard. 7 To guard against the five-minute exposures 8 that we know are harmful, the hourly maximum standard 9 must be set no higher than 50 ppb, 99th percentile. 10 A 100 part per billion one-hour standard could not 11 possibly be protective of the public health, because 12 the chamber studies show that some people with asthma 13 experience adverse effects after only five-minute 14 exposures to 100 parts per billion. 15 These chamber studies deliberately exclude 16 people likely to be most affected by SO2 demanding

17 that standards be set below the adverse effect level 18 to provide a margin of safety to protect sensitive 19 populations. 20 In contrast to the other options under 21 consideration, an hourly standard of 50 parts per 22 billion could prevent six times more premature 23 deaths -- 12,000 lives saved -- compared to the 24 standard of 150 ppb. A standard of 50 ppb could 25 prevent 11 times more hospital admissions andd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 25** 1 emergency room visits. A standard of 50 ppb could 2 prevent 3.5 million asthma exacerbations and nearly 3 600,000 acute bronchitis attacks every year. And a 4 standard of 50 ppb would remove 900,000 more tons of 5 SO2 from the air each year than a standard of 150. 6 Everyone knows that a standard is only as 7 good as its enforcement method. In this case, the 8 ambient air monitoring program. In 2006, EPA dropped 9 federal requirements for monitoring SO2. The number 10 of SO2 monitors has declined from 1500 in 1980 to 11 less than 500 monitors operating today. Of these, 12 only 1/3, or 170, are located in areas of maximum 13 expected concentrations. 14 EPA proposes to re-establish an SO2 15 monitoring network in areas of highest expected 16 concentrations, which we strongly support. However, 17 the proposed 348 monitors are grossly inadequate to 18 detect peak concentrations from the 2400 sources that 19 emit more than 50 tons per year. 20 We support a greatly expanded monitoring 21 network than that proposed by EPA. In addition, it 22 is crucial that states be required to report the peak 23 five-minute concentrations of SO2 based on a rolling 24 average. 25 In summary, the true test of the final SO2d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 26** 1 standards will be if EPA selects a standard offering 2 the most protection within the proposed range and 3 accompanies it with an expanded monitoring program 4 adequate to enforce the standards. Thank you. 5 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Any questions 6 for the speakers? Steve has one. 7 MR. SILVERMAN: Okay. Let's see. First, 8 since both of you are presenting fairly diverse 9 positions, I would expect that each of you will 10 address the other in your written comments. That 11 would be fruitful to us.

12 MS. SHPRENTZ: Yes. 13 MR. SILVERMAN: Second, Ms. Shprentz, 14 others may know this, but where does that qualified 15 mortality data come from? 16 MS. SHPRENTZ: That's in EPA's Regulatory 17 Impact Analysis. 18 MR. SILVERMAN: Okay. From the ERIA?

19 MS. SHPRENTZ: Yes. 20 MR. SILVERMAN: Okay. 21 MS SHPRENTZ: Yes. And actually, while I 22 have the microphone, I wanted to clarify another 23 point, which is the World Health Organization 24 standards, which were alluded to by the previous 25 speaker. My understanding is that they recommendedd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 27** 1 SO2 standards as follows: The 24-hour standard of 2 seven parts per billion and a ten-minute standard of 3 two parts per billion. So those are substantially 4 more stringent than what EPA has proposed. 5 MR. SILVERMAN: Okay. 6 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Nealson?

7 MR. WATKINS: You made a comment about the 8 monitoring and that you support more than what's 9 proposed. If you were able to give more specifics, 10 how much more or the application, that would be 11 beneficial to us. 12 MS. SHPRENTZ: Well, we believe that you 13 need to monitor around all of the major sources, both 14 the point sources and the area sources. And that's 15 the only way you're going to detect these peak 16 concentrations. You can't do it without monitoring. 17 MR. WATKINS: Okay. 18 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, both. I'd like

19 to call to the table Rebecca Watts Hull and Charles 20 White. 21 MS. WATTS HULL: Good morning, my name is 22 Rebecca Watts Hull, and I represent Mothers & Others 23 for Clean Air, a partnership of six leading health 24 and environmental organizations in Georgia. 25 I'm here today to urge EPA to follow thed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 28** 1 recommendations of its Scientific Advisory Committee 2 and create a one-hour standard for sulfur dioxide 3 that provides the adequate margin of safety for 4 sensitive populations required by the Clean Air Act. 5 Mothers & Others for Clean Air represents 6 1100 Georgia members, including parents, educators, 7 and healthcare professionals who are concerned about 8 the health effects of air pollution in Georgia. We 9 urge the EPA to set a one-hour limit of sulfur 10 dioxide of 50 parts per billion and also retain the

11 current 24-hour and annual standards. 12 I will focus my comments today on the 13 impacts of the proposed sulfur dioxide rule change on 14 the hundreds of thousands of Georgians living with

15 asthma. 16 Many studies demonstrate that even very 17 brief spikes in sulfur dioxide concentrations can 18 trigger severe asthma attacks, and asthma rates among 19 Georgia's children are among the nation's highest. 20 According to the most recent Asthma 21 Surveillance Report published by Georgia's Division 22 of Public Health, in Georgia, in more than ten 23 percent of children under age ten -- that's more than 24 a hundred thousand children -- have asthma. 25 15 percent of middle school students, or over 50,000d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 29** 1 children, have asthma. And 16 percent of high school 2 students, more than 70,000 children, are living with 3 asthma. In sum, there are roughly a quarter of a 4 million children in the State of Georgia currently 5 living with asthma. 6 Managing asthma is a heavy burden for 7 families and for schools, interrupting learning and 8 play, and resulting in thousands of missed school and 9 workdays. Asthma also carries high economic costs. 10 In Georgia, there are more than 47,000 ER visits and 11 11,000 hospitalizations per year due to asthma for a 12 total cost of more than $142 million. And these 13 figures only include direct medical cost. If we were 14 to include the cost of higher insurance rates, lost 15 work, and lost school days, the figures would be much 16 higher. 17 We know that spikes in sulfur dioxide 18 pollution can send kids and adults living with asthma 19 to the emergency room even resulting in death in some

20 cases. 21 How might the proposed change in the 22 sulfur dioxide standard help provide Georgians with 23 cleaner air and reduce the burden of living with

24 asthma? 25 Georgia has adopted many measures tod679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 30** 1 improve air quality as has the EPA, including 2 widespread use of cleaner, lower sulfur diesel fuels 3 and controls on coal-fired power plants required by 4 Georgia's multi-pollutant rule. These important 5 steps have reduced sulfur dioxide emissions from 6 coal-fired power plants and on-road diesel engines. 7 However, many industrial facilities including pulp 8 plants in Georgia still burn higher sulfur fuel in 9 their boilers to generate power creating unhealthy 10 levels of sulfur dioxide in the region around them. 11 In addition, sulfur dioxide levels are 12 dangerously high in Georgia's Chatham County, home of 13 the Savannah port, due in part to emissions from 14 dirty bunker fuel burned by ships coming into the 15 harbor. A stronger standard for sulfur dioxide can 16 help spur Georgia agencies to address these problems. 17 There are three benefits of the rule 18 change for Georgia I would like to highlight. First, 19 a one-hour limit will provide Georgia's Environmental 20 Protection Division with the tools it needs to 21 require industrial facilities to use the best 22 available control strategies to reduce SO2 pollution 23 from their plants. 24 Several Georgia counties are expected to 25 fail the proposed one-hour sulfur dioxide standards.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 31** 1 As a result, industrial facilities burning high 2 sulfur fuel and contributing to sulfur dioxide 3 non-attainment can be required by EPD to install the 4 best available control technologies. That's a tool 5 EPD does not currently have. 6 Second, the new standard will draw 7 attention to the problem of sulfur dioxide and 8 fine-particle solution that puts public health at 9 risk in the Savannah port area. The Georgia port 10 Authority has taken some initial steps to reduce 11 diesel pollution at the port, including 12 electrification of port cranes. With a significant 13 harbor deepening project planned and an anticipated 14 40 percent increase in freight through Savannah, 15 Georgia will need to take many additional steps to 16 safeguard public health on our coast. 17 Many harbor and ocean-going vessels still 18 burn very dirty high-sulfur-content fuel. The 19 emissions from ships, along with diesel exhaust from 20 on-shore equipment and trucks, create an unhealthy 21 mix of particle and sulfur dioxide pollution in the 22 port area. 23 A previous speaker pointed out that new 24 rules and processes will eventually force marine 25 vessels to burn cleaner fuel, but the possibility ofd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 32** 1 non-attainment of a tighter sulfur dioxide standard 2 can persuade the port to take steps to reduce 3 pollution in the interim rather than waiting many 4 years for the new rules to come into play. 5 A third important benefit -- and then I'll 6 wrap up -- of the proposed rule change is improved 7 monitoring. We support the placement of many 8 additional monitors in Georgia to catch the 9 short-term spikes that may be taking place around our 10 many coal-powered power plants where we don't know 11 whether we have startup and shutdown problems right 12 now because we simply don't have enough monitors to 13 catch those. Thank you very much. 14 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Mr. White. 15 MR. WHITE: Thank you. My name is Charles 16 White. Good morning. I'm here today representing 17 the nationwide American Lung Association. I 18 currently serve as the area executive director in 19 Georgia and South Carolina, and I've been with the 20 American Lung Association for 41 years 21 Thanks for this opportunity to express the 22 position of the American Lung Association on EPA's 23 proposed National Air Quality Standards for sulfur 24 dioxide. The American Lung Association saves lives 25 through the prevention of lung disease, and thed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 33** 1 promotion of lung health. And as a 105-year-old 2 nationwide family, the Lung Association is committed 3 to the fight for healthier air. 4 The key to that fight has been our work to 5 support stronger national ambient air quality 6 standards. We recognize the critical role that 7 national air quality standards play, that these 8 standards quite literally drive the work we do as a 9 nation to clean up air pollution. The Clean Air Act 10 directs the EPA to review the science every five 11 years and to set standards at levels that protect 12 public health with an adequate margin of safety. 13 As part of our fight for healthy air, the 14 Lung Association took legal action against the US EPA 15 in 1998 over the last review of the sulfur dioxide 16 standard. At that time, the Agency had dismissed the 17 harm from short-term, but exceedingly high levels of 18 sulfur dioxide that threatened the health of hundreds 19 of thousands of people with asthma who live downwind 20 from major sources. The court agreed with us and set 21 the stage for this current review. 22 We are pleased that, at last, for the 23 first time since 1971, the EPA is recommending 24 providing more protection from sulfur dioxide for 25 these people. The American Lung Association agreesd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 34** 1 with the conclusion reached by both the EPA and the 2 Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee that the 3 current standard fails to protect public health. 4 We are pleased that EPA has proposed a new 5 one-hour standard to strengthen that protection, and 6 we recommend that EPA adopt the one-hour standard of 7 50 parts per billion set at the 99th percentile. 8 This standard would be within the range endorsed by 9 the independent Clean Air Scientific Advisory 10 Committee. Such a level would help to provide a 11 margin of safety required by the Clean Air Act to 12 protect public health. 13 We need a short-term standard this strong 14 to protect the health of members of our community who 15 face the greatest risk -- children, the elderly, and 16 people with asthma -- from spikes in sulfur dioxide 17 pollution that can make breathing difficult and send 18 them to the hospital. 19 The Lung Association also urges EPA to 20 retain both the 24-hour and the annual standard. The 21 assumption that we can control the harm from SO2 if 22 we simply shave off the peaks is a mistake, similar 23 to EPA's 1996 decision to assume that those peaks 24 didn't matter. 25 People in many parts of the country haved679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 35** 1 to live with constant plumes of sulfur dioxide in 2 pollution from coal-fired power plants and diesel 3 engines. Annual and daily standards remain critical 4 tools to help recognize the harm from these longer 5 exposures. 6 We need greater protection because sulfur 7 dioxide is dangerous. Science tells us that this 8 noxious gas makes people cough and wheeze and 9 inflames the tissues of the lungs. Sulfur dioxide 10 triggers asthma attacks and increases the likelihood 11 asthma sufferers will have to rush to the emergency 12 department or be admitted to the hospital. 13 Sulfur dioxide also reacts in the air to 14 create deadly fine-particle pollution. Decreasing 15 sulfur dioxide emissions will also reduce 16 fine-particle pollution and save lives. EPA has 17 estimated that a standard of 50 parts per billion can 18 reduce sulfur dioxide emissions by a million tons per 19 year and could save between 4700 to 12,000 premature 20 deaths each year by the year 2020. 21 We support the proposal to expand the 22 national system to monitor SO2. However, we believe 23 that we need more than the 348 monitors that EPA 24 proposed to add. There are nearly 2,000 25 high-emission sources that emit more than a hundredd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 36** 1 tons per year. 2 The science is clear. The law is clear. 3 EPA has a legal requirement to set a standard, which 4 protects the health of the public -- especially 5 vulnerable people like the 23.3 million people in the 6 US, including seven million children who have asthma 7 -- and provide them with a margin of safety. The 8 proposed sulfur dioxide standard will add 9 long-missing protection, but it needs to be set at 50 10 parts per billion, 99th percentile. 11 On behalf of the American Lung 12 Association, I urge you to adopt a substantially 13 stronger sulfur dioxide standard. The health of 14 millions of Americans including our children and 15 grandchildren is at stake. Thank you. 16 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Any questions

17 from the Panel? 18 MR. STEWART: I have a question for the 19 first speaker. I think I may have just missed it. 20 Do you have a reference for the asthma prevalence 21 rates that you quoted for Georgia?

22 MS. HULL WATTS: Yes. It's the Asthma 23 Surveillance Report that Georgia's Department of 24 Public Health puts out. 25 MR. STEWART: Thank you very much.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 37** 1 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Steve? 2 MR. SILVERMAN: Thank you both. I assume 3 ALA, in its written comment, will address the 4 quantified analysis we put forward as to whether the 5 current standards are still needed, and I'm pretty 6 sure we do not accept your characterization that 7 we're merely shaving peaks. 8 MR. WHITE: Yes, we will. 9 MR. SILVERMAN: And we also proposed an 10 alternative form for this data. Do you have any 11 position on that? 12 MR. WHITE: I'm not familiar with the 13 alternative form. Perhaps, Deborah Shprentz is still 14 here. Do you have information on that?

15 MS. SHPRENTZ: We favor the 99th 16 percentile and feel that that would be more 17 protective than the alternative you have posed. 18 MR. SILVERMAN: Okay. I think we thought 19 they were equivalent. So I assume you'll address 20 that to the extent you have a preference in your 21 written comments?

22 MR. WHITE: Yes. 23 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. 24 MR. WHITE: Thank you. 25 MS. RODRIGUEZ: I'd like to call now ond679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 38** 1 Ms. Yolanda Whyte and Ms. Annie Mackay. Ms. Whyte. 2 DR. WHYTE: Yes. Hi. My name is 3 Dr. Yolanda Whyte, and I want to thank you for this 4 honor to speak to you today on this issue of sulfur 5 dioxide. This is my plea to you as an Atlanta-based 6 pediatrician to legislate for tighter standards due 7 to the harmful, direct and indirect, acute and 8 long-term effects this air pollutant has on our 9 health and wellbeing. 10 The young, the old, and the pregnant -- as 11 with all of these different toxins, carcinogens, and 12 pollutants -- they tend to be the most vulnerable to 13 these effects and yet they are the least protected. 14 Directly, sulfur dioxide comes in contact 15 with us through eyes, nose, throat, lungs, and skin. 16 And, furthermore, through the lungs, it can enter the 17 bloodstream. And sulfur dioxide being an air 18 pollutant entering the airways, it can cause 19 inflammation, which typically mimics symptoms that 20 can frequently be diagnosed as an allergic 21 inflammation -- or even an infection inflammation -- 22 burning of the nose, difficulty breathing, and septic 23 secretion. It can also exacerbate asthma and heart 24 disease. And long term, it decreases lung function 25 over time.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 39** 1 Now, children are more susceptible to 2 these effects, because they breathe in more air for 3 their body weight, and they breathe at a faster rate. 4 They also exercise more and have a faster metabolism. 5 Each of these factors individually and collectively 6 increase the sulfur dioxide concentrations in their 7 lungs as well as the enhancing effects that it has in 8 the lungs. And I know, with children, the lungs are 9 the last thing to develop, and there is not complete 10 development until after puberty. 11 Furthermore, there was a study in the 12 June 2004 issue of the Peer Review Journal of 13 Pediatrics that show that increasing of sulfur 14 dioxide was associated with a 17.7 percent increase 15 in sudden infant death syndrome incidents. It's also 16 been implicated in premature birth, low birth weight,

17 and sudden death. 18 Indirectly, as a medical provider, not 19 only am I concerned about these symptoms that this 20 exposure has caused, but also taken into account the 21 interventions made to control these symptoms such as 22 parents overmedicating children with cold and cough 23 medications, which happens to be the number one cause 24 of death due to child poisoning. Tylenol happens to 25 be the number two cause of death due to childd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 40** 1 poisoning. 2 And even when we use these medications in 3 children, whether it's prescription or over the 4 counter, it's almost always used to treat kids under 5 two years old causing a health hazard, especially 6 with increasing in their blood pressure as well as 7 their heart rate. 8 There's also a medical burden on clinics, 9 emergency departments, and hospitals, which are not 10 equipped with the diagnostic modalities to detect 11 sulfur dioxide as the epidemiological agent of these 12 illnesses. Even though a blood and a urine test are 13 available, it is not easily accessible at all. In 14 fact, much of the -- due to the lack of public 15 awareness on all these environmental pollutants, much 16 of the medical community is oblivious to the effects 17 of sulfur dioxide. Therefore, it's rarely considered 18 in the differential diagnosis for the medical 19 decision-making process. 20 Looking at wellbeing, it's also affected 21 by missed days at work, schools, as well as daycare. 22 And when a child is sent home from daycare, the 23 parent also takes the day off for the medical 24 appointment as well as the time taken to heal. 25 There's also a significant educationald679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 41** 1 burden, which the State of Georgia, in particular, is 2 not in a position to afford this educational burden. 3 According to education research, Georgia has the 4 lowest high school graduation rates in the country. 5 So there's a big impact to this, and 6 taking a stand on tighter regulations is just taking 7 a step forward in the right direction of seeing the 8 big picture of healthcare reform. Thank you. 9 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, Dr. Whyte. 10 Ms. Mackay. 11 MS MACKAY: Good morning. My name is 12 Annie Mackay. I'm an associate with Hunton & 13 Williams, and I am pleased to speak to you today on 14 behalf of the Utility Air Regulatory Group, UARG. 15 UARG has participated in all aspects of 16 the current review of the NAAQS for sulfur dioxide. 17 UARG's written comments on each of the drafts of the 18 Integrated Science Assessment and the Risk and 19 Exposure Assessment on SO2, which provide a part of 20 the basis that EPA sites for the proposal, are 21 available on the public docket. UARG also plans to 22 submit more detailed written comments on the proposed 23 rule on SO2. These written comments will address the 24 science underlying the current proposal. 25 In stead, in this brief statement, Id679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 42** 1 intend to focus on the usefulness of EPA's proposed 2 one-hour standard and the range of 50 to a hundred 3 ppb. The EPA has asked to comment on the one-hour 4 standard as high as 150 ppb. I'll include that in my

5 comment. 6 I'll begin by noting that SO2 7 concentrations in the US have been decreasing over 8 the past several decades. A trend that is expected 9 to continue. According to the report the EPA has 10 released last month, as of 2008, annual SO2 emissions 11 have decreased by 56 percent compared with 1980 12 levels, and 52 percent compared with the 1990 levels. 13 Additionally, the national composite average of the 14 annual mean ambient concentration of SO2 decreased by 15 71 percent between 1980 and 2008. 16 The report specifically noted that the 17 decline in SO2 emissions from the power industry has 18 improved air quality. The EPA's most recent National 19 Air Quality Status and Trends Report, the Agency 20 cited a downward trend in ambient SO2 concentrations. 21 The Agency attributed the trend to 22 national emissions control programs, including NAAQS, 23 and stated that it expects air quality to continue to 24 improve. Accordingly, the health risks from SO2 have 25 decreased, and any remaining risks will continue tod679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 43** 1 decline. 2 EPA stated that the purpose of the 3 proposed one-hour standard is to protect against 4 five-minute SO2 concentrations above 200 and 400 ppb. 5 The EPA's evaluation of data from 809 ambient SO2 6 monitors reported that only approximately one percent 7 of days included a five-minute SO2 concentration of 8 200 ppb, and less than one percent of days included a 9 five-minute concentration of 300 or 400 ppb. 10 Thus, five-minute SO2 concentrations in 11 the range of interest are rare, and health effects 12 can only be related to such infrequent SO2 levels if 13 susceptible people are exposed to such levels. 14 The EPA has prepared a risk and exposure 15 assessment that included exposure analysis case 16 studies of asthmatics -- the subpopulation the EPA 17 identified as susceptible -- in St. Louis and in 18 Greene County, Missouri. Having concluded that some 19 asthmatics are sensitive to SO2 when breathing at 20 elevated rates -- for example, due to exercise -- the 21 Agency looked at the number of asthmatics living 22 within 20 kilometers of a major SO2 source 23 experiencing five-minute SO2 exposures to 100, 200, 24 300, and 400 ppb while at elevated ventilation rates. 25 The Agency considered both current ambientd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 44** 1 air quality and air model to represent attainment of 2 each of the targeted levels. Although the REA is not 3 a comprehensive examination of national risk, it 4 examined risks in areas where SO2 emissions are among 5 the highest in the US. 6 According to the REA, imposing a one-hour 7 SO2 standard between 50 and a hundred ppb will do 8 little, if anything, to protect public health. EPA's 9 modeling indicates that the risk associated with 10 current ambient air quality are consistently 11 comparable to or lower than the risks that are 12 estimated to exist upon attainment of any of the 13 one-hour SO2 standards under consideration. I'm 14 making available a written statement that explains 15 this in more detail. Please let me know if you would 16 like a copy. 17 EPA's Regulatory Impact Analysis, or RIA, 18 confirms the very limited possible health benefits 19 from the proposed one-hour standard and indicates 20 that the projected cost of attaining the proposed 21 one-hour standards far outweighs the direct SO2 22 health benefits. 23 For example, EPA projects that attaining a 24 one-hour standard of 150 ppb would cost 380 to $410 25 million, with potential health benefits from SO2d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 45** 1 evaluated at only $600,000. Attainment of a 50 ppb 2 standard would cost 6.5 to $6.8 billion, but would 3 yield a potential health effect from SO2 of $12 4 million. In other words, the proposed standards are 5 projected to cost over 500 times more than the SO2 6 health benefits they are projected to provide. 7 Even if there were benefits to be gained 8 from the imposition of a one-hour SO2 standard, the 9 RIA acknowledges that EPA does not know how to attain 10 the proposed SO2 NAAQS. For nearly half of all 11 counties considered, EPA was unable to identify 12 control measures that could bring the county into 13 attainment of the targeted levels. EPA's inability 14 to identify a method for attainment of their proposed 15 standards calls into question whether even the 16 limited benefits that the Agency has predicted will 17 be achieved. 18 Given the fact that by EPA's own 19 calculations there is minimal, if any, direct benefit 20 expected from reducing ambient SO2 concentrations to 21 these targeted levels, UARG suggests that EPA 22 reconsider whether setting a one-hour standard is the 23 best use of the Agency's and the country's time and 24 resources. Thank you. 25 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Any questionsd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 46** 1 from Dr. Whyte or Ms. Mackay? 2 MR. STEWART: I have a question for the 3 second speaker. On page three, the second paragraph 4 starts with, "According to the REA, imposing a 5 one-hour SO2 standard of between 50 to 150 ppb will 6 do little, if anything, to protect public health." 7 Could you expand on that, because that's certainly 8 not the conclusion we arrived at. 9 MS. MACKAY: I'm not prepared to answer 10 any questions at this time, but questions should be 11 referred to Cindy Langworthy, clangworthy@hunton.com. 12 MR. STEWART: Okay. I assume it will be 13 addressed in your written comment?

14 MS. MACKAY: Yes. 15 MR. STEWART: Okay. Thank you. 16 MR. SILVERMAN: Do you mind telling 17 Ms. Langworthy, also, that all the discussions of 18 costs and benefits is legally irrelevant. We are 19 precluded by law from considering those and 20 establishing anything in that. 21 MS MACKAY: (Speaker nods.) 22 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Okay. The 23 last two speakers we have signed up for the morning, 24 as of now, I'm going to call those two to the table, 25 but I want to encourage anyone that has notd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 47** 1 registered and may want to speak to register at the 2 registration table outside the doors. Let me call 3 now John Blair and Mark Woodall. Mr. Blair. 4 MR. BLAIR: Yes. Good morning. My name 5 is John Blair. I'm here representing a group called 6 Valley Watch. We do what the name implies. We watch 7 the lower Ohio Valley. Our purpose is to protect the 8 public health and environment of the lower Ohio River 9 Valley. 10 This is the lower Ohio River Valley. 11 These dots on this map represent power plants. Three 12 of these power plants are amongst the largest power 13 plants in the world; 4600 megawatts and above 14 (indicating). The rest of them vary from with 2,000

15 to about 250. 16 I live in Evansville, Indiana, and within 17 a hundred kilometers of where I live, there's 18 15,000 megawatts of electricity generated, much of 19 which goes out the state in the region. In fact, I 20 calculated that over 10,600 of those megawatts 21 actually go out of the region that is served in this 22 area (indicating). 23 These power plants represent 510,000 tons 24 of SO2. Now, I've heard different speakers talk this 25 morning about health effects and that sort of thing,d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 48** 1 and I know that there's a lot of synergy as far as 2 health effects are concerned for not only SO2 but the 3 NOx standard. And, that, I think will also be having 4 a standard set at some point in the future. 5 Valley Watch was one of the litigants in 6 the consent decree that you referred to earlier. You 7 know, it's not just that. 4,307 pounds of mercury 8 from these -- we know what the problem is. And, in 9 fact, the problem is so acute in the region that I 10 live in, and I don't know if you all saw this map, 11 but the region I live in, a child in Vanderburgh 12 County, Indiana, which is my home, is five times more 13 likely to be hospitalized with asthma than his 14 counterpart in a very demographically similar 15 community of Fort Wayne, Indiana, which is on the

16 northeastern end of the state versus the southwestern 17 end the state, which has no coal-fire power plants 18 near it. It's five times more likely. And I will be 19 putting that in my written comments. 20 What I really want to talk about, though, 21 is the monitoring and how you're going to deal with 22 attainment and non-attainment. One of the things 23 that I would recommend highly is when you're looking 24 at attainment and non-attainment issues particularly, 25 is to consider the recession that we've been having.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 49** 1 In fact, the recession has reduced 2 electric demand in southern Indiana -- in most all of 3 Indiana and western Kentucky -- by more than 4 18 percent this year. So 2009 and actually 2008, 5 since the recession started in late 2007, I think it 6 is important to acknowledge that in your determining 7 what areas are attainment and non-attainment in this

8 standard. 9 We are certainly here agreeing with the 50 10 parts per billion standard on the 99th percentile, 11 and we also agree with the American Lung Association 12 that the annual and the other standard -- you know, 13 both the 24-hour and the annual standard, should be 14 retained. 15 When you look at the monitoring network, 16 which is the enforcement mechanism, I'm not really 17 sure how many of those monitors are going to go in 18 this area. But it doesn't matter which way the wind 19 blows, we're getting a healthy dose of SO2 all the 20 time. 21 Somebody mentioned the tall stacks 22 earlier. I think it was Ms. Shprentz. She mentioned 23 tall stacks. Very few of the power plants, except 24 for the Rockport power plant, which was the last 25 tall-stack power plant to be built in the nation,d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 50** 1 have tall stacks. Most of them are lower, and the 2 sulfur dioxide hit that we take on a daily basis 3 comes from local sources. So there's others in 4 Indiana, too. 5 The Clifty Creek power plant, a major 6 source of sulfur dioxide, it was going to put 7 scrubbers on as a result of the CAIR rule, but then 8 when the CAIR rule was overturned by the DC Circuit, 9 they decided to stop construction on the scrubbers. 10 So, you know, we're not going to necessarily get the 11 benefits of a lot of these clean air rules. And, in 12 fact, the Rockport power plant, which is a 2600 13 megawatt power plant that I mentioned, the Rockport 14 power plant is under a consent decree on a NSR suit 15 in that they don't have to do anything until 2018. 16 So we get it all, and I'm tired of it. My 17 friends and neighbors are sick. We need our air 18 cleaned up. And SO2 is one of the primary pollutants 19 that's causing that. Thank you.

20 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Mr. Woodall. 21 MR. WOODALL: Good morning. My name is 22 Mark Woodall. I'm the chairman of the executive 23 committee of the Georgia Chapter of the Sierra Club. 24 I believe you'll be getting written comments from the 25 National Sierra Club at some point here, but I didd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 51** 1 want to show up here on behalf of our 10,000-odd 2 members here in Georgia and say that we strongly 3 support the EPA's proposal to strengthen the 4 protection of human health and the environment by 5 establishing hourly standards for SO2. 6 Specifically, we support a one-hour 7 standard of 50 parts per billion, 99th percentile; 8 the most stringent standard proposed. 9 I admit I'm not a doctor or an air expert, 10 air quality expert, but I do drive around the State 11 of Georgia quite a bit and go by places such as 12 Middle Georgia Plant Scherer, which I kind of 13 wondered why you would have your only national 14 appearance here in Atlanta, but it's somewhat fitting 15 because we're sitting about a hundred miles due north 16 of the largest coal plant in North America, Georgia's 17 power plant, Scherer, of four units. 18 When you drive around Georgia and go past 19 central Georgia and see that giant cloud hanging over 20 Plant Sherer, you can certainly suspect that there 21 are problems. And we've had recent hearings on the 22 pollution controls for the two proposed coal plants 23 here in Georgia. One in Early County in southwest 24 Georgia and one in Washington County in east Georgia. 25 We have people there who lived in the aread679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 52** 1 of Plant Scherer, and they certainly described many 2 problems, health problems, associated with the 3 pollutants, including SO2, from the giant coal 4 burners there. And anecdotally, Macon, the closest 5 big city to Plant Scherer, has gone from I think, 6 what, two asthma specialists to 20-something in the 7 last few years since Scherer opened in the last 20 8 years or so. So that was of interest.

9 When we talk about a healthcare reform 10 here in the United States, we believe one thing we 11 can do is stop the burners of fossil fuel from 12 externalizing the costs of the people of the United 13 States. And, of course, there's costs also involving 14 the health insurance companies that we have out there 15 as well as the government of the United States. 16 As a volunteer leadership of the Sierra 17 Club, I'm a commercial tree farmer who's responsible 18 for clearcut and collective thousands of acres here 19 in Georgia. And so I'm aware of the effect of SO2 20 and acid rain on Loblolly pine trees. And there's 21 been quite a bit of research through the forestry 22 schools here in the southeast like Auburn 23 University's research in ozone and some of the things 24 Duke University Forestry School has been doing. And 25 it seems like ozone and SO2 and that sort of thingd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 53** 1 hurts the growth of our Loblolly pine trees. 2 Already, when I plant a Loblolly pine tree, I've got 3 to wait around 35 to 40 years for a paycheck. So any 4 delay of that paycheck is a problem. 5 We appreciate your work to protect the 6 human health in the United States and look forward to 7 these more stringent and protective controls. Thank 8 you. 9 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. I just want to 10 remind you, Mr. Woodall, this hearing is about the 11 NAAQS for the primary, what we call the primary 12 standard, that protects human health, and we are 13 looking at a separate standard to look at NO2 and SO2 14 together to protect vegetation and others that we

15 call welfare effects. 16 And I also wanted to remind you, 17 Mr. Blair, that we are prohibited by the Clean Air 18 Act to look at cost and benefits when we set a 19 standard. We base it based on human health effects. 20 I had a question about your comment on 21 taking the recession into account. I assume that you 22 meant, and maybe you can explain more, that because 23 there's a recession, there's less demand for power 24 generation, and that should reduce the amount of 25 pollution?d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 54** 1 MR. BLAIR: You apparently took the same 2 economics course that I did. When the economy turns 3 down, the demand for electricity goes down with it. 4 In this case, the demand for electricity, at least in 5 my area, has gone down significantly. 6 So what I'm basically saying is that 7 whenever you look at, specifically, 2009 data, when 8 it's all in and done, I think that you're going to 9 see something that may be misinterpreted as being 10 scrubbers when, in fact, it's the economy. 11 I would hope that that would be 12 considered, you know, either through waiting until 13 you have 2010 data to make those determinations, as 14 far as attainment and non-attainment, that that may 15 be skewed down too. So it may be that it's like 2005 16 through 2007 data that would be more appropriate to 17 make those determinations. Although, we're in a 18 state of flux because of the fact that some units, 19 because of the CAIR rule and when it came about, have

20 been scrubbed. 21 So we're anticipating a much cleaner air 22 quality around the area that I live in as a result of 23 the CAIR rule even though it's no longer really 24 valid. We're anticipating much cleaner air. And, in 25 fact, I do aerial photography for a living, and I hadd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 55** 1 more clean days this summer than I've ever had in my 2 whole career, which spans about 35 years, to be able 3 to shoot pictures from the air. I think a lot of 4 that is more attributable to the recession than it is 5 to pollution controls that have been put on as a

6 result. 7 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thanks. We always do use 8 three years of monitoring data to make those

9 assessments. 10 MR. BLAIR: I'm very aware of that. 11 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Any other questions from

12 the Panel? 13 MR. WATKINS: Mr. Blair, you made a 14 similar comment regarding monitoring and not knowing 15 whether or not monitoring would be required where you 16 live. I don't know where exactly you live in Indiana 17 with regards to what Core Based Statistical Area you 18 may live inside of, but the State of Indiana will 19 have seven monitors that will be required to be 20 distributed around the state in addition to any that 21 are required in certain metropolitan areas. 22 So certainly, if you're in an area that's 23 not a larger metropolitan area that's covered under 24 the first prong because of monitoring regulations and 25 rules here, the second prong of which monitoringd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 56** 1 probably being bounded within the state, will 2 certainly be something that, I imagine, you being -- 3 would be considered. Especially if you're in the 4 area where you have a confluence of plumes, not from 5 just Indiana, but your neighboring states as well so 6 long as those plumes are contributing to some maximum 7 concentration occurring in the area. So that will be 8 something that is considered when monitors will be 9 placed in Indiana. 10 MR. BLAIR: I certainly appreciate that, 11 and I trust that being the largest concentration 12 coal-fire power plants in the world, as far as I 13 know, that there would be more than one of those 14 seven monitors placed in that region. 15 But another thing I noticed whenever I 16 read the rule the first time, through the proposed 17 rule, there's counties that are considered as 18 non-attainment and counties that are considered 19 attainment that are right next to each other, and 20 they're getting the same hit. You know, there's not 21 -- you know, really, as an ozone standard, it was the 22 metropolitan area that was supposed to be considered, 23 and it got all the way down to almost township level. 24 It seems to me that the region should be 25 attainment or non-attainment and not a specific smalld679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 57** 1 area within the region, especially in a region like 2 I'm living in. 3 MR. WATKINS: That's certainly something 4 you could give us. Are you giving -- 5 MR. BLAIR: We are going to give you 6 written documents. 7 MR. WATKINS: You know, in as much detail 8 as you're able to do so. 9 MR. BLAIR: Absolutely. 10 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, gentlemen. I'd 11 like to call Mr. Robert Brown. 12 MR. BROWN: Good morning. My name is 13 Robert Brown, and I represent the Bureau of Air 14 Quality at the South Carolina Department of Health 15 and Environmental Control. I'd like to thank the EPA 16 for the opportunity to provide comments on the EPA's 17 proposed revision of the SO2 NAAQS standards, and 18 I'll direct my testimony to the process being used to 19 solicit the public's input on this proposal. 20 A significant amount of time is required 21 to research and fully understand the issues 22 associated with promulgating a revised national 23 standard. As a result of the limited time allowed in 24 this public hearing and the limited time between 25 publication of the Federal Register and the publicd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 58** 1 hearing, the department will provide additional 2 comments on the proposed rule by the February 8th 3 deadline. 4 In a memo to her staff concerning 5 transparency in EPA'S operation, Administrator 6 Jackson states: The EPA offices conducting 7 rulemaking are therefore encouraged to reach out as 8 broadly as possible for abuse of interested parties. 9 The department has concerns about the 10 public environmental process being used for the 11 development of this rule in hopes that the EPA will 12 consider Administrator Jackson's advice and 13 commitment to public participation in EPA 14 decision-making. 15 The EPA scheduled only one public hearing 16 17 business days after the proposed revisions to the 17 National Ambient Air Quality Standard proposed in the 18 Federal Register. Additionally, slightly more than 19 60 days have been allotted to receive public 20 comments. The department does not believe this is 21 sufficient time for affected stakeholders, or the 22 interested parties mentioned earlier, to gather 23 information, acquire perspective, generate meaningful 24 comments, and deliver them within the required 25 timeframe.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 59** 1 Also, publishing the proposed rule and 2 holding the public comment period and public hearing 3 during a time period, including the end-of-the-year 4 holiday season, feeds the perception of many 5 stakeholders that EPA is not fully supportive of 6 meaningful input. 7 Establishing and revising a National 8 Ambient Air Quality Standard is one of the most 9 important rulemakings that EPA undertakes to protect 10 public health. However, when the EPA proposes 11 revisions to ambient air quality regulations, a rule 12 that does not directly protect the public health, the 13 public and State regulators were notified eight weeks 14 prior to holding the first of three public hearings 15 and were provided with a 90-day public comment 16 period, which was sufficient time for our state to 17 research additional information, to share information 18 with interested stakeholders, and to provide 19 meaningful comments. 20 The EPA is committed for the public 21 participation efforts with that rulemaking. However, 22 this inconsistency highlights the need for EPA to 23 reevaluate and improve its public involvement 24 process. 25 From June of 2009 to January of 2011, thed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 60** 1 EPA will have reviewed or reconsidered the National 2 Ambient Air Quality Standards for ozone, PM, SO2, 3 NOx, and CO. Never before have so many reviews been 4 done in such a narrow timeframe. Our State agency, 5 with its staff of engineers, modelers, scientists, 6 and epidemiologists, who have the responsibility of 7 protecting public health and improving air quality, 8 will devote significant resources to the reviews of 9 these proposed standards. 10 Other stakeholders in South Carolina with 11 fewer resources, knowledge, and understanding of air 12 quality issues will struggle to meet such a time 13 frame as with the SO2 proposal. For example, 14 communities who live near the source of the pollution 15 are usually those who have the greatest need of 16 health protection. Their understanding and direct 17 feedback is of utmost importance in evaluating the 18 environmental justice implications of establishing 19 and revising ambient air quality standards. 20 Environmental benefits will be achieved in 21 the most effective and efficient manner only with a 22 clear understanding of the proposed regulations by 23 all stakeholders involved, including the general 24 public, industry, and State and local authorities. 25 Better coordination and consideration ofd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 61** 1 multi-pollutant impacts by EPA and more opportunity 2 to partner with all stakeholders will result in 3 environmental benefits, including better public 4 health outcomes, efficient use of monitoring 5 resources, and commonsense approaches. 6 In closing, our agency is concerned that 7 EPA is not allowing sufficient public review of this 8 standard, including its interrelationship with other 9 standards under review and should consider reviewing 10 and improving how it involves the public in its 11 decision-making process. 12 EPA is a leader in stressing the 13 importance of collaborative problem-solving and has 14 certainly shown that in working with SCDHEC, 15 especially in our work with environmental justice 16 communities, has had considerable success. 17 Our department has revisited its processes 18 to encourage more public participation by involving 19 the public earlier and more often and establishing 20 and maintaining partnerships with stakeholders. We 21 are committed to continued improvement in public 22 involvement and encourage the EPA to work more 23 closely with states such as South Carolina in 24 ensuring meaningful public participation in 25 rulemaking.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 62** 1 Thank you again for the opportunity to 2 provide oral comments on this rulemaking, and I'd be 3 happy to answer any questions you may have. 4 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, Mr. Brown. 5 With this national ambient air quality standard with 6 others, we are under a court-ordered deadline. So 7 that's why we are limited in the amount of time that 8 we have for extending public comments. 9 We got the rule signed on November 16th, 10 and it wasn't published in the Federal Register until 11 December 8th. However, it was posted on the website 12 immediately, so that the public that had access to a 13 website could look at the rule. So the delay in 14 publishing it is out of our hands, in a way, because 15 of the backlog and the large amount of -- the large 16 rule that it is, it takes longer in that queue. 17 I don't know, Steve, if you want to 18 address that any more. 19 MR. SILVERMAN: No. That's quite 20 accurate. There is a tradeoff for these types of 21 consent decree deadlines, and one of them is public 22 participation in some cases. 23 MR. BROWN: And we understand that issue, 24 and certainly we have all these other deadlines that 25 are coming up over the next year. And I guess one ofd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 63** 1 our concerns is that we have -- South Carolina 2 doesn't necessarily comment towards the level that 3 the standards are set at. We certainly have been 4 offering comments on the changes and the monitoring 5 parameters. And as with the NOx standard that has 6 been recently proposed, there's been different 7 monitoring scenarios that have to be considered 8 during this process. And the SO2 monitoring process 9 that's been proposed is different from the NOx 10 proposal that was out earlier, and these were 11 different from what we've had to consider in the 12 past. 13 We're working on the five-year network 14 review now, and all of this is going to be 15 superimposed, and a lot of different things going in 16 different directions, and it will change what we 17 decide this year to do for our five-year monitoring 18 review. The same is going to have to be done next 19 year when we look at where all of these new 20 monitoring scenarios are going to go and how we have 21 to site different monitors at different locations. 22 So the more ability we have to look at 23 these things in total, the better off everybody is 24 going to be, certainly, as a State agency but also 25 the public that we're supposed to be protecting.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 64** 1 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Any questions from the

2 Panel? 3 MR. WATKINS: I understand the constraints 4 under which working, especially with the monitoring 5 and the five-year network assessment. At least, we 6 look at that that the states will be able to handle 7 it. You know, and where we are now and understanding 8 that this proposal needing to go forward, and when 9 they go final, and what form they go final, are going 10 to change. 11 And we understand that we feel like we 12 will be working with the states and certainly won't 13 be laying this out for you to take on alone but feel 14 like that there will be enough time. And you can 15 certainly give us feedback in your written comments 16 on the implementation in the network, and the 17 approach we are going to be taking. And in this 18 (inaudible). 19 COURT REPORTER: I need you to speak up, 20 please. 21 MR. WATKINS: Okay. In this particular 22 proposal, the network, as proposed, would be deployed 23 by January 1st of 2013. And we feel like, you know, 24 we are trying to allot enough time for states to work 25 and work with us with the regions and identify howd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 65** 1 the networks should be implemented. 2 So we certainly recognize that it's not a 3 small task and that, at least, the monitoring is 4 different than had been previously, but we feel like 5 this is the path that we need to move forward with. 6 And we will be there working with you, and we feel 7 like we're responding and understanding what's going 8 on with the states, especially with this problem and 9 so we understand your position. 10 Any monitoring comments that you have, 11 certainly give those to us in writing, and we'll be 12 better able to accommodate any of those comments and, 13 if you would, incorporate them in more detail in your 14 written comments. 15 MR. STEWART: I would just like to mention 16 that just in general, public interest in the NAAQS 17 process, we've had multiple public meetings in the 18 Department of the Integrated Science Assessment as 19 well as the Risk and Exposure Assessment which would 20 keep the policies and statutes. Thank you. 21 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. 22 MR. BROWN: Thank you, again. 23 MS. RODRIGUEZ: So it's 11:20, and we are

24 scheduled to take a break for lunch at 12:30. We 25 don't have any other speakers signed up as of now.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 66** 1 So we'll take a short break, and we will be back as 2 soon as we have anyone else signed up for speaking. 3 Thank you. 4 (Recess from 11:22 a.m. to 12:30 p.m.) 5 (Lunch recess from 12:30 p.m. to 2:00 p.m.)

6 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Good afternoon. We are 7 ready to resume this hearing. Thank you for 8 attending the Environmental Protection Agency's 9 public hearing on the proposed rule for sulphur 10 dioxide, SO2. I recognize that many of you have 11 traveled quite a distance to be here, and we 12 appreciate your efforts. 13 My name is Rosalina Rodriguez, and I am 14 the associate director for the Health and 15 Environmental Impacts Division for EPA's Office of 16 Air Quality Planning and Standards. I am chairing 17 this hearing today, and we are here to listen to your 18 comments on EPA's proposed revisions to the Primary 19 National Ambient Air Quality Standards, otherwise 20 known as NAAQS, for sulfur dioxide. 21 As a reminder, this is a hearing, an 22 opportunity for the public to comment on EPA's 23 proposed rule. The Panel members may ask questions 24 that seek to clarify what we have proposed, but the 25 purpose of the hearing is to listen to your comments,d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 67** 1 not to discuss or debate the proposal. 2 Before we move to the comment period this 3 afternoon, I would like to briefly describe the 4 proposed rule that is the subject of today's hearing. 5 The proposed rule was published in the Federal 6 Register on December 8th, 2009. 7 Based on its review of the air quality 8 criteria for oxides of sulfur and the primary NAAQS 9 for oxides of sulfur as measured by sulfur dioxide, 10 EPA is proposing to revise the primary SO2 NAAQS to 11 provide requisite protection of public health with an 12 adequate margin of safety. 13 Specifically, EPA proposes to replace the 14 current 24-hour and annual standards with the new 15 short-term SO2 standards based on the three-year 16 average of the 99th percentile, or fourth highest, of 17 the annual distribution of one-hour daily maximum 18 concentrations. EPA proposes to set the level of 19 this new one-hour standard within the range of 50 to 20 a hundred parts per billion, ppb, and solicits 21 comment on standard levels as high as 150 ppb. 22 Also, EPA proposes changes to the ambient 23 monitoring and reporting requirements for SO2. 24 Consistent with the terms of a consent decree, the 25 Administrator will sign a notice of final rulemakingd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 68** 1 by June 2nd of 2010. EPA also notes that the 2 proposed changes would not affect the secondary SO2 3 NAAQS set to protect public welfare, because EPA is 4 considering the need for changes to the secondary 5 standard under a separate review. 6 Now, let me turn to the comment portion of 7 today's hearing. We will be preparing a written 8 transcript of today's hearing. The transcripts will 9 be available as part of the official record for each 10 rule. We are also accepting written comments for the 11 proposed rule until February 8th, 2010. We have a 12 handout available at the registration table outside 13 the door with detailed information for submitting 14 written comments. 15 I would like to outline how this 16 afternoon's hearing will work. I will call the 17 scheduled speakers to the microphone in pairs. 18 Please state your name and your affiliation. It will 19 help our court reporter if you also spell your name. 20 In order to be fair to everyone, we are 21 asking that you limit your testimony to five minutes 22 each and to remain at the microphone until both 23 speakers have finished. After you finish your 24 testimony, a Panel member may ask clarifying 25 questions.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 69** 1 As I mentioned, we are transcribing 2 today's hearing, and each speaker's oral testimony 3 will become part of the official record. Please be 4 sure to give a copy of any written comments to our 5 staff at the registration table. We will put the 6 full text of your comments into the docket for you. 7 Our timekeeping system consists of cards 8 that we will flash to let you know how much time you 9 have left. Please begin speaking when you are 10 acknowledged. You will have five minutes to speak. 11 We will signal you when you have one minute left. We 12 will ask that you stop speaking when the stop sign is

13 shown. 14 We intend to stay into the evening, until 15 7:00 tonight, until everyone has had an opportunity 16 to comment. If you would like to testify but have 17 not yet registered, please do so at the registration 18 table. For those who have already registered to 19 speak, we have tried to accommodate your requests for 20 a specific time. We ask for your patience as we 21 proceed through the list. 22 I would like to introduce the EPA 23 representatives on our Panel. To my left is Carol 24 Kemker from EPA's Region 4. To my immediate right, 25 Nealson Watkins, with the Office of Air Qualityd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 70** 1 Planning and Standards' in the Ambient Air Monitoring 2 Group. And at the end of the table, Michael Stewart, 3 also with the Office of Air Quality Planning and 4 Standards' in the Ambient Standards Group. Our court 5 reporter is Yolanda Narcisse. I would like to really 6 thank you all again for participating in today's 7 hearing. 8 Let's get started by calling Dr. LeRoy 9 Graham and Mr. Ed Harrison. Dr. Graham. 10 DR. GRAHAM: Thank you for inviting me 11 here today. My name is LeRoy Graham. I'm a 12 pediatric pulmonologist lung specialist here in the 13 metropolitan Atlanta. I'm in private practice with 14 Georgia Pediatric Pulmonology Associates. 15 I'm a long-time volunteer for the American 16 Lung Association and a member of the Georgia State 17 Medical Association, Georgia Thoracic Society, and 18 Atlanta Medical Association. I'm also a Fellow and a 19 Regent of the American College of Chest Physicians. 20 I'm here today to urge you to provide 21 greater protection from sulfur dioxide for my 22 patients and my community with a strong national 23 ambient air quality standard. I support a new 24 one-hour standard of 50 parts per billion at the 25 99th percentile. The standard should be added to thed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 71** 1 existing 24-hour and annual average standards. I 2 also support greatly enhanced monitoring to help 3 better identify the pollution levels in communities 4 across the nation. 5 My patients are infants, children, and 6 adolescents who have difficulty breathing. They 7 suffer from diseases like asthma, bronchopulmonary 8 dysplasia, viral and bacterial pneumonia, and cystic 9 fibrosis. 10 My job, quite simply, is to help them 11 breathe better and help their lungs mature fully as 12 they age -- and this is very important as recent data 13 shows that actual physical physiologic and improper 14 maturation of lungs can be adversely affected by lung 15 air pollution -- and to help them to be able to lead 16 normal healthy lives. 17 Unfortunately, the air pollution in the 18 Atlanta area makes that difficult. I'm all too well 19 acquainted with how pollution affects children. I 20 co-authored the study of the 1996 Olympics here in 21 Atlanta published in the Journal of the American 22 Medical Association. 23 Our research found that as ozone pollution 24 dropped during the two weeks of the Olympics due to 25 behavioral changes in populus, fewer children withd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 72** 1 asthma needed medical care for their disease. Less 2 pollution, quite simply, meant healthier kids across 3 all economic stratus and throughout many 4 neighborhoods throughout Atlanta. 5 Like ozone, sulfur dioxide also hurts 6 children with asthma. Sulfur dioxide is a toxic gas 7 that induces bronchoconstriction, a narrowing of the 8 airway, in the respiratory system. We do not yet 9 fully understand how sulfur dioxide forces the 10 airways to constrict, but we know that it happens 11 both in the environmental chamber and our studies. 12 I can tell you what it does do all too 13 often to a family. Initially, a child comes in from 14 playing coughing and wheezing. The mother fears the 15 worst. She been there before, so she gives him his 16 inhaler. The next day he's still wheezing and having 17 difficulty breathing, and he tells the mother that 18 his chest continues to hurt. 19 So more Albuterol, which is a bronchial 20 dilator, but he's having greater and greater trouble 21 breathing. The medicines don't appear to work. She 22 bundles him in the car to take him to the local 23 emergency room where she watches in fear as doctors 24 work to open his inflamed and tightened airways so he 25 can breathe and breathe and live.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 73** 1 There are eight to nine million children 2 with asthma in this country. Millions who live in 3 areas, such as Atlanta, with far too much sulfur 4 dioxide. Many of them live downwind of coal-fired 5 power plants or near major freeways. They have too 6 long lived with elevated levels of sulfur dioxide in 7 the air. And I might add that if you look at the 8 rise in asthma prevalence, this cannot be explained, 9 by much of it, in the increase of pollution. It's 10 not simply the awareness of physicians like myself 11 that asthma exists. 12 Multiple large epidemiological studies 13 provide compelling evidence of the harm to children. 14 In one of the larger studies, Mortimer, et al. in 15 2002, linked the sulfur dioxide concentration from 16 the previous day with an increase in morning 17 respiratory symptoms in eight urban areas. The 18 median three-hour average of sulfur dioxide levels in 19 those inner city neighborhoods ranged well below the 20 existing standards; from 17 parts per billion to 37 21 parts per billion. 22 Another more recent study looked at the 23 lung function of children living in seven of those 24 inner cities. Now, I would call your attention to 25 the fact that it's been well described that thed679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 74** 1 prevalence, morbidity, and mortality of asthma is 2 most acute in our inner cities characterized by the 3 northern populations. 4 O'Connor, et al., in a study done in the 5 Bronx found that children with asthma lost lung 6 function after days when they breathed higher daily 7 concentrations of sulfur dioxide. 8 Linn, et al., another study done in urban 9 New York, in metropolitan New York, looked at 10 hospital admissions with children with asthma living 11 in the Bronx in New York, in a large case control 12 study. As our hourly sulfur dioxide concentrations 13 increased, more and more children were admitted. 14 Hospitalizations began to rise at hourly 15 concentrations greater than as little as nine parts 16 per billion with a sharp increase in concentrations 17 greater than 40 parts per billion. 18 These epi studies provide strong evidence 19 that sulfur dioxide levels currently in place in the 20 United States puts children, much like my patients, 21 at risk. Children cannot be tested in clinical 22 tests, because that is unethical and would not 23 survive an institutional review board. 24 Unfortunately, in the real world, they face such 25 risks far too often.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 75** 1 We need a much stronger standard. We need 2 a one-hour standard of no more than 50 parts per 3 billion set at the 99th percentile, and we need 4 continued protection of the standards currently in 5 place to remain 6 I would like to point out to you that 7 children, because of immature defense mechanisms, are 8 indeed canaries in coal mines. And it just shouldn't 9 hurt to go outside on a warm day and play, because 10 that's what children do. So I thank you, and I would 11 be glad to entertain any comments and questions you

12 have. 13 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Mr. Harrison. 14 MR. HARRISON: Thank you. Good afternoon, 15 I am Ed Harrison. I am a volunteer and a member of 16 the board of directors for the American Lung 17 Association of the midland states. That includes 18 Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, and Michigan. Again, my 19 name is Ed Harrison, and I am an advocate and 20 supporter of the American Lung Association and a 21 charter board member for one of its regional 22 associations. 23 I am a marketing director by profession 24 and a resident of Chattanooga, Tennessee. More 25 importantly, I am the son, nephew, and uncle ofd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 76** 1 family members who have suffered or are still 2 suffering from lung disease. For years, our region 3 has struggled with the reputation of its past as a 4 hotbed for polluted air. While the most notorious 5 facets of its polluted history are long gone, there 6 is still work to be done. Part of this work is why 7 we are here today. 8 I am here, first, on behalf of the 9 American Lung Association to express its support for 10 EPA's proposal for National Ambient Air Quality 11 Standards for sulfur dioxide. In particular, the 12 creation of a new one-hour SO2 standard. 13 The standard proposed will target one-hour 14 spikes in sulfur dioxide emissions. While the Lung 15 Association has long advocated for adding a 16 five-minute standard, we believe the one-hour 17 standard is a major step forward toward protecting 18 the public health. 19 Additionally, the EPA is proposing to 20 remove the existing standards that target daily and 21 annual average levels of SO2. The Lung Association 22 recommends retention of the existing daily and annual 23 standards. That being said, I have no intention of 24 feigning expertise in sulfur dioxide emissions. 25 My secondary reason, and possibly mostd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 77** 1 important for being here, is to speak on behalf of 2 those who suffer from and through polluted air. For 3 most of my childhood years on through my early 4 twenties, I lived with a mother who pushed through

5 COPD. 6 It was a non-smoking related illness she 7 would share with her younger brother. They grew up 8 in Chattanooga during its manufacturing heyday. And 9 while doctors never specifically attributed the 10 effects of their illnesses to any one irritant, it 11 was pretty apparent that bad air was the major 12 culprit. 13 My uncle moved away after college for 14 cleaner air, but Mom stayed close to her parents to 15 raise me and my siblings. We were everyday witnesses 16 to her struggles with breathing and to the occasion 17 she would have to be carted off by ambulance because 18 of bad air days. She ultimately succumbed to COPD in 19 1991 at the age of 52. My uncle still fights 20 valiantly. 21 I often wonder if Mom had hung on a little 22 longer would her everyday be different now that air 23 quality has become a much more important aspect of 24 our life quality. It is good to hear that 25 Chattanooga has improved its ranking amongst the mostd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 78** 1 polluted cities in the nation, but it came at a cost 2 of numerous sufferers and casualties. 3 When I think about our family as it 4 relates to the SO2 emissions, I consider the families 5 living near coal-fired plants and how many of them 6 have to see a loved one and go through breathing 7 exercises every day just so they can eat. Yes, I 8 said eat. Mom couldn't eat unless she had clear 9 breathing passages. 10 How many of those living and working in 11 these communities suffer needlessly today when a 12 change in a monitoring standard could positively 13 affect their struggle and thus catapult them into a 14 brighter cleaner tomorrow? 15 I am also an uncle. One of my nephews, a 16 ten year old, has asthma. Thankfully, he doesn't 17 live near a coal-fired plant and that his asthma 18 triggers are minimal; usually only on extremely hot 19 and humid days. Others aren't so lucky. Studies 20 have shown that asthma hospitalizations in children 21 climbed as hourly sulfur dioxide concentrations 22 increased. 23 Children with asthma in these communities 24 shouldn't have to suffer additionally with a penalty 25 of staying inside simply because their families lived679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 79** 1 near known pollutants with inadequate monitoring. I 2 believe this for all children with asthma, just as I 3 believe it for my nephew. 4 I continue my commitment to and advocacy 5 for the issues important to the American Lung 6 Association, and I join with them in support of this 7 new measure proposed by the EPA. It is a long time 8 in coming -- 38 years. I hope that with this new 9 standard we can make today's breathing struggles much 10 clearer in a not-to-distant tomorrow. I appreciate 11 this opportunity to share our support. Thank you. 12 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Any questions

13 from the Panel? 14 (No questions introduced by the Panel.) 15 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you both. We're 16 going to take a short break, or maybe a little break, 17 until we get our next speaker here. So we'll let you

18 know. 19 (Recess from 2:44 p.m. to 3:43 p.m.) 20 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Welcome back. We're ready 21 to resume this public hearing for the National 22 Ambient Air Standards for SO2 or sulfur dioxide. We 23 have two speakers. I will ask them to come to the 24 speakers' table. Let me reread the instructions

25 here.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 80** 1 In order to be fair to everyone, we're 2 asking that you limit your testimony to five minutes 3 each and to remain at the microphone until both 4 speakers have finished. After you finish your 5 testimony, a Panel member may ask clarifying 6 questions. 7 As I mentioned before, we are transcribing 8 today's hearing, and each speaker's oral testimony 9 will become part of the official record. Be sure to 10 give a copy of any written comments to our staff at 11 the registration table so that we can put the full 12 text of your written comments into the docket for 13 you. 14 We have a timekeeping system. We will 15 flash a card when you have five minutes. We will 16 flash a card when you have one minute left to go, and 17 another card when your time is up. Please stop 18 speaking when the stop card shows up. 19 We will be here into the evening. If 20 anyone else in the audience would like to register 21 and express your opinions and your comments, you are 22 welcome to do so at the registration table outside. 23 Our Panel consists of Nealson Watkins to 24 my right with the Office of Air Quality Planning 25 Standards' and Monitoring Group, Michael Stewart atd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 81** 1 the end with the Office of Air Quality Planning and 2 Standards' Ambient Standards Group. And to my left, 3 Carol Kemker with EPA's Region 4. 4 Thanks again for participating today, and 5 let me call to the speakers' table Mary Carr Bendeck 6 and Allison Amyx. Ms. Carr Bendeck. 7 MS. BENDECK: Good afternoon. My name is 8 Mary Bendeck, and I am the renewable energy 9 coordinator for the Southern Alliance for Clean 10 Energy, a regional nonprofit organization that 11 promotes responsible energy choices that ensure 12 clean, safe, and healthy communities throughout the

13 Southeast. 14 I am here today representing the interests 15 and concerns of our members in the eight southeast 16 states that we cover including, but not limited to, 17 Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, 18 and Florida. 19 We would like to thank the EPA for 20 providing the opportunity today to comment on the 21 proposed new sulfur dioxide rules that would tighten 22 controls in order to protect public health. 23 In the United States, coal-fire power 24 plants are the largest single source of SO2 25 emissions. Coal naturally contains sulphur thatd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 82** 1 combines with oxygen when burned to produce SO2. 2 Sulfur dioxide can cause significant health problems 3 to the upper respiratory systems, especially in areas 4 near where coal plants or industrial facilities are 5 located. In addition, sulfur dioxide also 6 contributes to acid rain, which can cause damage to 7 fish and other aquatic species, soil, and vegetation. 8 We agree with EPA and the Clear Air 9 Scientific Advisory Committee that the current rules 10 established in 1971 do not adequately protect public 11 health. We support the one-hour standard of 50 parts 12 per billion, the most stringent standard proposed to 13 date. According to the American Lung Association, 14 limiting SO2 emissions to 50 parts per billion would 15 reduce SO2 emissions by a million tons per year and 16 could save between 4,700 to 12,000 premature deaths 17 each year by 2020. 18 We also support the proposed installation 19 of additional monitors in areas likely to have the 20 highest short-term concentrations of SO2. However, 21 we would like to see more than the proposed amount of 22 348 monitors installed given that the number of 23 emissions sources with high short-term concentrations 24 is in the thousands. 25 For example, according to EPA, Category 3d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 83** 1 ships traveling in and around the Savannah port were 2 responsible for almost 2200 tons of SO2 in 2002. The 3 contribution of SO2 from the mobile sources at the 4 port will need to be monitored given that they are 5 likely to place Savannah, in Chatham County, in 6 non-attainment for the new proposed standards, and 7 attainment strategies will need to be implemented. 8 Based on current EPA estimates, Fulton 9 County would also fail to meet the one-hour standard, 10 and additional monitors would be necessary in the 11 area to identify sources of SO2 and appropriate 12 implementation strategies. 13 The proposed one-hour rule, in combination 14 with additional monitor testing, would encourage the 15 utility industry to install more protective SO2 16 pollution control equipment on existing coal-burning 17 facilities. Although a number of coal plants have 18 installed more protective SO2 pollution control 19 technologies, there are still many in the Southeast 20 that have not, including smaller units at Crystal 21 River Energy Complex in Florida, several Duke Energy 22 facilities in North Carolina, and the John Sevier 23 Fossil Plant in Tennessee, to name a few. 24 These units and others like them would be 25 affected by the stronger rule, which would result ind679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 84** 1 reduced emissions and better public health in the 2 areas affected by the plants. The new rules would 3 also encourage utilities to explore alternatives to 4 future coal investments, drive retirement of older, 5 less efficient coal facilities, and generally move 6 investment away from high-polluting technologies, 7 which would provide additional air and water quality 8 benefits in synergistic, more efficient ways beyond 9 what this rule would require. 10 In addition, we support the retention of 11 the current daily and annual average standards to 12 avoid disruption of ongoing clean air programs. 13 By implementing the new one-hour 14 standards, providing a more significant monitoring 15 program, and retaining the current standards, EPA 16 will yield significant health cost benefits that will 17 save thousands of lives and provide clean air for 18 future generations. Thank you. 19 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Ms. Amyx. 20 MS. AMYX: Hi. My name is Allison Amyx. 21 I'm a student at Emory University's Candler School of 22 Theology, and I'm here as a private citizen to voice 23 my support for revisions of the National Ambient Air 24 Quality Standards that set an hourly standard of 25 50 parts per billion for sulfur dioxide.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 85** 1 Now, by now you've probably heard more 2 than enough to convince you that sulfur dioxide isn't 3 good for us. We all know that. At least, that's 4 what I hope people have been saying. The American 5 Lung Association tells us that short-term exposure to 6 sulfur dioxide can cause a number of respiratory 7 health problems, especially for children, people over 8 65, and people with asthma. 9 Limiting sulfur dioxide emissions will 10 benefit those who suffer from these respiratory 11 problems and also save us billions of dollars in 12 healthcare costs spent on emergency room visits and 13 hospital admissions. 14 Now, I admit I'm someone who has always 15 taken clean air for granted. I grew up in a small 16 Georgia town under a big blue sky, and I've never had 17 problems with asthma. And even though I now live in 18 Atlanta, which was recently named by Forbes as the 19 country's most toxic city, I don't have to worry 20 about checking air quality levels before I leave the 21 house each day. 22 I go about my daily life without 23 acknowledging the gift of air that is, in this case, 24 clean enough. Unfortunately, millions of people 25 living with respiratory problems in the United Statesd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 86** 1 are not so lucky. 2 I'm here today hoping to remind us all 3 that the difference between 50 or 100 or 150 parts 4 per billion is more than a number. This is a 5 decision that you'll be able to make. It will be one 6 that will affect the daily lives of children and 7 adults across the country, like the children growing 8 up next to power plants who are falling behind in 9 school because of health problems or the ones who 10 can't play outside with their friends without 11 worrying about having asthma attacks. 12 Hearing these stories reminds us that 13 limiting sulfur dioxide pollution is not only an 14 environmental issue, and it's not only a public 15 health concern; it's also a moral issue. As a person 16 of faith, I believe that we are called to care for 17 the most vulnerable members of our society, like the 18 children and older adults who are most affected by 19 short-term exposure to these pollutants. 20 I also believe that we have a moral 21 obligation to ensure that all citizens have access to 22 clean air, which is a gift from God and an essential 23 part of our biosphere, which is designed specifically 24 to support human life. 25 In conclusion, I would like to ask you,d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 87** 1 the body that's entrusted with protecting public 2 health and the environment, to not take this 3 responsibility lightly. We can no longer afford to 4 take clean air for granted. I urge you today to set 5 hourly standards, as recommended by the American Lung 6 Association, of 50 parts per billion on sulfur 7 dioxide emissions to ensure that all citizens have 8 access to clean air and to preserve the quality of 9 our earth's natural resources for generations to 10 come. Thank you. 11 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Does the Panel 12 have any questions? 13 (No questions introduced by the Panel.) 14 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you very much. We 15 will continue to take another break again, since we 16 have another registered speaker that's coming. Thank 17 you. 18 (Recess from 3:53 p.m. to 4:00 p.m.) 19 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Good afternoon again. 20 We're going to proceed with another speaker, 21 Mr. Imran Battla. We ask that you come to the 22 speakers' table. You will have five minutes. We 23 will approach you as to how long you have left, and 24 thank you for being here. 25 MR. BATTLA: Good afternoon. My name isd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 88** 1 Imran Battla, and I'm here on behalf of Sustainable 2 Atlanta. Sustainable Atlanta, we serve as a 3 catalyst, consultant, and facilitator to help develop 4 and promote sustainable progress here in the City of 5 Atlanta as well as across the nation working with 6 other cities such as Cleveland and New York City as

7 well. 8 We serve to help with community local 9 business leaders and government officials, and also 10 nonprofits in the area to develop consensus-based 11 sustainability policy and programs. And we use our 12 expertise to identify best practices and resources 13 that help make Atlanta and the citizens more 14 bottom-line efficient to become more environmentally 15 responsible and more competitive when attracting 16 employers and jobs. 17 We have instituted a number of working 18 groups around the issues of sustainability involving 19 sustainable buildings, recycling, energy, and 20 environmental health. And as such, we invite 21 interested parties to visit our website and get 22 involved with ongoing discussions here within the 23 metro Atlanta region with respect to our strategic 24 initiatives. 25 Our website address isd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 89** 1 www.sustainableAtlanta.org. As part of our 2 organization's commitment, we strongly believe and 3 advocate for environmental equity and justice, and to 4 ensure that it doesn't leave out with regards to 5 race, religion, and income, and to have people be 6 able to demonstrate capacity, and the Agency to be 7 involved with its decision-making processes that

8 affects them. 9 So we really appreciate the opportunity to 10 speak here today and appreciate the EPA to grant this 11 hearing. And we encourage the EPA to grant more 12 hearings for this. So thank you for the opportunity 13 to allow us to speak. 14 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Let me see if 15 the Panel has any questions for you. Any questions? 16 (No questions introduced by the Panel.) 17 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you very much. I 18 think we'll take another recess. We have one more 19 registered speaker, but it's for later on tonight at

20 6:00. 21 (Recess from 4:03 p.m. to 6:08 p.m.) 22 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Good evening. Thank you 23 for attending the Environmental Protection Agency's 24 public hearing on the National Ambient Air Quality 25 Standards for sulphur dioxide. I would like tod679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 90** 1 invite you to come to the speakers' table and tell 2 you that the way the hearing works is that you will 3 have five minutes to do your presentation. Please 4 identify yourself and your affiliation. Please speak 5 into the microphone. Spell your name, if necessary, 6 for our court reporter to be able to spell it 7 correctly. 8 We have a timekeeping system. We'll let 9 you know when you have one minute to go and when to 10 stop, and thank you for being here, Dr. Burt Lesnick. 11 DR. LESNICK: Thank you. My name is Burt 12 Lesnick, and I'm here today to present the comments 13 of the American Thoracic Society. The American 14 Thoracic Society is a 15,000 member professional 15 society dedicated to the prevention, detection, cure, 16 and research of respiratory and sleep-related 17 disorders.

18 Our members conduct research on the health 19 effects of air pollution as well as treat patients 20 whose respiratory diseases are adversely affected by 21 air pollution. The journals of the American Thoracic 22 Society also publish key basic and epidemiology 23 studies on the health effects of air pollution. For 24 these reasons, the American Thoracic Society has a 25 compelling interest in the National Ambient Aird679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 91** 1 Quality Standards issued by the EPA. 2 Sulfur dioxide is an important pollutant 3 in the US and warrants attention by the EPA. The 4 current standard first established in 1971 fails to 5 protect the public from the adverse health effects of 6 sulfur dioxide exposure and, therefore, a stricter 7 standard is needed. 8 Our understanding of the health effects of 9 sulphur dioxide is more comprehensive than when the 10 standard was first established. Clinical and 11 epidemiologic studies demonstrate adverse health 12 effects from exposure to sulfur dioxide 13 concentrations below the current EPA standard of 140 14 parts per billion. 15 EPA staff has concluded in the sulphur 16 dioxide Integrated Scientific Assessment that there 17 is a causal link between sulfur dioxide exposure and 18 reduced lung function. Clinical studies have shown 19 increased respiratory symptoms in healthy individuals 20 from 15-minute exposure to sulfur dioxide 21 concentrations at 200 parts per billion, and patients 22 with asthma experience symptoms from exposure to a 23 hundred parts per billion during exercise. 24 Epidemiology research has linked sulphur 25 dioxide exposure to worsening asthma and reduced lungd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 92** 1 function and other respiratory symptoms. In a large 2 multi-city study, Mortimer and colleagues documented 3 morning respiratory systems in eight urban areas 4 where the median three-hour average sulphur dioxide 5 levels range from 17 ppb to 37 part per billion. 6 O'Connor and colleagues showed decreased lung 7 function in inner city children with asthma who are 8 exposed to higher concentrations of sulfur dioxide. 9 Present-day concentrations of sulfur 10 dioxide are also implicated in increased emergency 11 department visits and hospitalizations for 12 respiratory causes among children and older adults. 13 Today an estimated 22 million Americans 14 have asthma including six million children. Because 15 of the burden of asthma in the US, even modest 16 changes in asthma, worsened by ambient exposure to 17 sulfur dioxide, will have major health public health 18 implications in the US. 19 For these reasons, we support EPA's 20 proposal to revise the NAAQS for sulfur dioxide and 21 offer the following specific comments: 22 Number one, we support the creation of an 23 hourly standard. The ATS supports EPA's proposal to 24 create a new hourly standard to protect the public 25 from the known health effects caused by short-termd679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 93** 1 exposure to sulfur dioxide. Th ATS recommends EPA 2 establish a new hourly standard of 50 ppb at the 99th 3 percentile. Issuing a new hourly standard at the 4 lower end of the proposed range will more effectively 5 protect the public, including vulnerable populations, 6 from the effects of short-term exposure to sulfur 7 dioxide. 8 Number two, sulfur dioxide monitoring 9 network: The ATS recommends the EPA augment the 10 existing regional monitoring network of air pollution 11 monitors with source monitors to more fully measure 12 and map exposures to air pollution. 13 Currently, the EPA air monitoring network 14 relies on a strategy of collecting regional values 15 and using complicated formulas to derive source 16 exposure levels. We recommend the EPA create a 17 network for monitors to capture sulfur dioxide -- and 18 other pollutants -- source exposures to compliment 19 the existing regional monitoring network. Collecting 20 regional and hotspot data will improve our ability to 21 understand the effects of and protect the public from 22 exposure to air pollution. 23 We hope these comments are helpful and 24 look forward to working with the EPA to improve the 25 nations's health by improving the air we breathe.d679ea39-09c5-4695-8495-253ed14d431b **In The Matter Of: National Ambient Air Quality Standards, et al. Public Hearing January 5, 2010** 

**HUSEBY, INC. - 555 North Point Center, E., #403, Alpharetta, GA 30022 (404) 875-0400 REPORTED BY: Yolanda R. Narcisse, CCR-B-2445 www.huseby.com**  **Page 94** 1 Thank you. 2 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. Let me see if 3 the Panel has any questions for you. Carol?

4 MS. KEMKER: No. 5 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Michael?

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9 MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thanks. 10 DR. LESNICK: I prepared written 11 testimony. Would you like that? 12 MS. RODRIGUEZ: We'll take it. Thank you. 13 (Recess from 6:12 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.) 14 MS. KEMKER: It's 7:00 p.m., and the 15 hearing is closed. 16 (Hearing concluded at 7:00 p.m.)

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