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MEETIN G SUMMAR

Y EPA/NED A MEETIN G A-90-3 7 BH/f-3 /

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. NE W SOURC

E REVIE W REFOR

M EP A AI

RDOCKE T November

23, 1998 I - —" Th e meetin g wa s hel d a

t th e office s o

f EPA , N.C . Mutua

l Building , 41 1 W . Chapel Hil l Street , Durham , Nort

h Carolina . Th

e meetin g bega

n a t approximately 3:0

0 p man d close d a t 4:1 5 pm . Attache d i s alis t o f attendees . The meetin g opene d wit

h abrie f discussio n o f

som e o f th e item s discusse d a

t th e WEPC O litigant s meetin g hel d i n Washington D C on Friday , Novembe r 20,1998 . Lesli e Ritt s o f Hoga n & Hartso n mentione d tha t NEDA i s excite d abou

t streamlinin g th e NS R regulations . Ms . Ritt s sai d tha

t they ar e concerned abou

t th e NS R applicabilit

y to routin e maintenance , suc h a s like-kin d replacement s o r routin e repair . Also , they recommend no t doin g case-by-cas e BACT ; instead , they recommend tha t EP A develo p alis t o f presumptiv e "goo d technology" . Ms . Ritt s als o observe d tha t i n orde r to mak e th e regulation s simpler , Lydi aWegma n ha d recommende d eliminatin g nettin g calculation s whe n determinin g applicability , bu t thi s wa s likel y to b e unpopula

r wit h certain industries . Ms . Ritt s mentione d tha t a90-da y moratoriu mo n issuin g EPA' s fina

l NS R rul e ha

d bee n floated to determin e i f

simplificatio n o f

th e NS R progra

m i s feasible , an

d tha t aconferenc e call wil l b e hel d on * Decembe

r 8,199 8 to furthe

r discus s an

y recommendation s fo

r simplification . NE

D A/CAR P als o mentione d tha

t th e discussio n o f

a n approach shoul d include "NS R lookback " an d curren t enforcemen

t initiatives . I t

wa s mentione d tha t th e Settlemen

t Agreemen

t wa s no t signed b y th e meetin g participants . A questio n wa s raise d a s to whethe

r th e Settlemen

t Agreemen

t woul d remai n unsigne d durin g th e 90-da y extension . Davi d Emer

y o f Phillip s Petroleumasked ho w man y NSR-relate d rule s wer

e bein g develope d a s apar

t o f th e refor meffort . Bill Burkhar

t o f Procte r & Gamble mentione d tha

t there wer e five rule s a

t on e time , but wa s not sur e as to ho w man

y ther e wer e now . Karen Blanchar

d o f EP A explaine d tha

t th e tw o main rule s wer

e th e NS R Refor

mrul e an d th e NS R Transitiona

l Are arule , bot

h o f whic h ar e planne d to b e promulgate d by June 30,1999 . Ms . Blanchar d als o explaine d tha

t anothe r rul e pertaine d t

o mino r NS R regulation s fo

r triba l lands . It wa s aske d whethe r th e transitiona

l are arul e wil l "handle " traditiona l areas , to which Ms . Blanchar d replie d yes . EP A als o explaine d tha

t i t will b e reviewin g clea

n monitorin g datao n NO x in 2004 . Area s considere d clea

n (i.e. , < 0.08 4 ppm

) would continu e wit

h aPS D program ; other s woul d nee d to implemen t non-attainment

NSR . BarbaraBankoff

, representin g Eli Lilly & Company , asked abou t PS D significan

t level s fo r CFC' s under

Titl e VI . Denni s Crumple

r o f EP A explaine d tha

t he wa s no t

sur e o f th e statu s o f th e level s fo

r Titl e V I becaus e th e NS R tea

mha s no t discusse d th e matte

r yet , an d therefor e ha s no t decide d anything . However , Mr . Crumple r said , i t wa s apar t o f th e overal l refor

m packag e an

d ha d als o been addresse d by Joh n Seit z in alette r to Louisian aDEQ .P. 3 1

Ms . Ritt s mentione d Christin e Shaver' s (NPS ) lette r date d Ma y 1998 . Sh

e aske d about th e FLA G program , an

d wha t i t mean t fo r Clas s I are areview . Sh

e sai d tha t th e letter wa s a n hones t goodfait h effor t by Ms . Shaver , bu t

tha t i t wa s shor t o f certaint y neede d b y industr

y when plannin g projects ; i t

lef t asignifican

t roo mfo r discretio n o

n th e par t o f th e FLM . Sh

e mentione d tha t Donn aLam

b (USFS ) ha s indicate d tha t "w e ar e makin g progres s in bette

r definin g AQRVs, " bu t

tha t th e publishe d list s o f

AQRV s suc

h a s Whit e Pine , Yello w Birch , Poiso n Iv y etc . fo r individua l area s such a s th e Jame s Rive r Fac e Wildernes s Are awer e to o generi c to b e useful , and tha

t de minimi s value s an

d bette r tool s wer e needed . Sh

e als o note d tha

t suc h list s wer e no t availabl e fro

mth e NP S an

d wer e presumably par

t o f th e FLA G program . Sh

e sai d that sh e di d no t fee l an y bette r regardin g th e program , an

d asked i f meetin g wit

h th e NP S woul d help . Ms . Blanchar

d offere d tha t EP A wil l b e happ y t o talk

t o th e NP S collectively . Bil l Beck o f Mobi l als o shared wha

t th e USF S ha

d put on thei r website . He indicate d tha t unlik e PS D increments , fo

r which ther

e i s specificity , ther

e i s n o informatio n wit

h respec t to flor aand fauna , i.e. , i t

i s not clea r a s to wha t i s considere d a

n advers e impact . Ms . Ritt s sai d tha t currently i t

i s als o unclea

r wit h th e FLM' s a s to wha

t model s one shoul d us e t o asses s impact s i n Clas s I area s relativ e to AQRVs , e.g. , ho w t o determin e depositio n rate s on apond . Also , wh o decide s whic h model shoul d b e used , Fis h an d Wildlif e Servic e o

r Fores t Service ? Or , i s i t

th e FL M wh o decides ? Ther

e ar e als o som e new model s tha

t wer e recentl y develope d whic h ad d t o th e uncertainty . Bil l Burkhar t sai d tha t [whe n permitting ] th e industr

y ha s to dea

l wit h FLM , environmenta

l justice , refor

missue s etc , whic h creat

e asignifican

t amoun t o f uncertainty . A quic k resolutio n i s needed , especially i n today' s globa

l marke t wher e project s ca

n b e ver y time sensitive . Davi d Emer

y sai d tha t asking th e FL

M i s no t th e bes t solutio n becaus e th e FL

M ma y take u p t o ayea r t o decide wha

t applie s t o agiven projec t

and whethe

r th e projec t

wil l b e o k wit h respec t t o Clas s I are aimpacts . He als o sai d tha t a t an y give n tim e hi s compan

y evaluate s severa l projects , but

given tha t onl y certai n project s ca

n b e buil t due to financia

l restraints , i t

i s critica l t o kno w whic h project s will b e environmentally permissible , o r i f Clas s I area s wil l b e a concern . Bil l Burkhar

t als o reiterate d tha

t there i s currently to o much uncertainty , and tha t simplificatio n i s needed . Ms . Blanchar d sai d tha t sh e understoo d tha

t uncertaint y add s complexity , bu t

tha t EP A i s currentl

y no t certai n about

ho w to addres s it , but

i t shoul d b e note d tha t simplificatio n ma

y remov e flexibility . Maxin e Dewbur y o f Procte r & Gambl e sai d tha

t w e nee d t o star

t wit h aclea n slate . Ms . Ritt s sai d tha

t environmenta

l justic e an

d th e FL M issue s stan d ou t mor e tha n others . Ms . Blanchar

d sai d tha t th e existin g grandfathere d source s ar e majo r contributor s t o ai r

pollution , an

d tha t removin g th e grandfathering o f source s woul d b e agoo d solution . However , i t

i s unclea r exactl y ho w to d o that . Whe n aske d b y Da

n DeRoec k o f EP A about th e FL M an d Stat e permittin g issues , Ms . Ritt s reiterate d tha

t FL M discretio n stil l override s on th e critica l issue s o f AQRV s and th e choic e o f analytica l method s use d to determin e allege d negativ e impacts . Ms . Blanchar d sai d tha t currenti y plant s hav e t o wai t unti l publi c commen

t perio d to find out

"ye s or no " o n permits . Ms . Ritt s sai d tha

t th e plant s wil l not

hav e to wai t

no w becaus e th e sourc e will ge t notificatio n earlier . However , th e NP S program , includin g th e FLAG program , i s amystery , and tha t they nee d t o meet

wit h th e NPS . Th

e U.S . Fores t

Servic e ha s alway s maintaine d red , yello w and 

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gree n area s withi n Clas s I areas , but onl y in notice(s ) without

an y rulemaking . Roy Carwil e o f Alco asai d tha

t Tennesse e ha s lai d ou

t atimetable , but

tha t i t wa s stil l unclea

r a s to wha t th e AQRV s ar e an d ho w to establis h them . Ms . Blanchar d suggeste d lookin g a

t th e Tennesse e MO

U whic h ma y remov e som

e uncertaint

y althoug h ALCO

A representative s wh o ar

e familia r wit h i t sai d tha t i t onl y partially addresse s pivota l issues . Ms . Ritt s indicate d tha t she wa s no t

sur e i t wa s atemplat

e fo r othe r simila r agreement s becaus e som

e peopl e wer

e disturbe d b y it . However , sh e wil l look a t i t an d then contac t

Ms . Blanchard . Berni e Pau

l asked i f ther e wer e an y comment s o

r feedbac k on PALs . H

e mentione d tha

t Eli Lilly support s PALs . Mik e Sewel l o f EP A sai d tha t they hav e jus t

receive d th e summar

y o f comment s on th e Jul

y 24,199 8 Notic e o f

Availabilit

y fro mth e contractor , an

d tha t they ar e i n th e proces s o f

reviewin g it . Eli Lilly als o recommended tha t ameetin g between NS R and permittin g official s migh

t b e ver y beneficia

l give n th e interfac e o f

th e tw o programs . The meetin g wa s the n adjourned .



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ATTENDEE S EPA/NED

A MEETIN G NE W SOURC

E REVIE W REFOR

M November

23, 1998

Nam e Erni e Rosenber

g Ro y Carwil e Barbar aBankof f Jodi e Mine

r Tod d Hyd e Berni e Paul Davi d Emer

y Jerr y Fulme r Ellen Siegle

r Maxine Dewbur

y Lesli e Ritt s Bil l Burkhar

t Joh n Medle y Bil l Bec k Chery l Russel l Davi d Markword

t Sall y Shave r Susa n Wyat t Denni s Crumple

r Karen Blanchar

d Mik e Sewel l Le aAnderso n (connecte d b y telephone ) Affiliatio n Occidenta l Alco a fo r El i Lilly El i Lill y Merc k Eli Lill y Phillip s Petroleum fo r Alco a Hoga n & Hartso n Procte r & Gamble Hoga n & Hartso n Procte r & Gamble Mobi l Mobi l Boein g EPA/OAQP S EP A EP A EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OG C Telephon e No .

(202)857-3051,-304 0 (412 ) 553-2680 , -482 2 (202)434-4810,-347-401 5 (317)433-3426,-276-168 0 (908)423-3994,-132 2 (317)276-0331,-180 0 (918)661-3041,-614 6 (412)851-070 4 (202 ) 637-572 8 (513)634-4827,-548 1 (202)637-7153,-657 3 (513)634-6366,-548 1 (703 ) 849-6193 , -629 5 (703 ) 849-6245 , -629 5 (703)465-3610,-3034 (919)541-083 7 (919)541-5572,-007 2 (919)541-567 4 (919)541-087 1 (919)541-550 3 (919)541-087 3 (202 ) 260-834 7 

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