UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OFFICE OF HEARINGS

IN THE MATTER OF: DOCKET NO. FAA-2014-0324 GLOBAL AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC. RESPONDENT

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TELECONFERENCE HEARING BEFORE THE HONORABLE J. E. SULLIVAN WEDNESDAY, MAY 20, 2015 10:02 A.M. HISTORIC JORDAN SPRINGS 1160 JORDAN SPRINGS ROAD STEPHENSON, VIRGINIA 22656U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 2

1 APPEARANCES 2 ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, 3 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION: 4 ZACHARY BERMAN, ESQUIRE 5 FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION 6 OFFICE OF THE REGIONAL COUNSEL 7 1 AVIATION PLAZA 8 JAMAICA, NEW YORK 11434 9 TELEPHONE: 718.553.3258 10 FACSIMILE: 718.995.5699 11 12 13 14 ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT, 15 ROBERT ROTH: 16 PRO SE 17 GLOBAL AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC. 18 2075 SMITHTOWN AVENUE 19 RONKONKOMA, NEW YORK 11779 20 TELEPHONE: 631.981.8470 21 EMAIL: ROBERT@GLOBALAIRCRAFTINTERIORS.COM 22 23 24 25U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 3

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1 TELECONFERENCE HEARING 2 WEDNESDAY, MAY 20, 2015 3 10:02 A.M. 4 MR. BERMAN: Yes, good morning, Judge. 5 THE COURT: Good morning. And, Mr. Roth, on 6 behalf of the respondent? 7 MR. ROTH: Yes, good morning, Judge. 8 THE COURT: Good morning. And I should have 9 a Constance Boudreau as the court reporter from County 10 Court Reporters. 11 COURT REPORTER: Yes, good morning, Your 12 Honor. 13 THE COURT: Good morning. Ms. Boudreau, are 14 you ready to proceed? 15 COURT REPORTER: Yes, Your Honor. 16 THE COURT: Okay. We're on the record in the 17 matter of Global Aircraft Interiors, Inc., Docket No. 18 FAA-2014-0324. Today is Wednesday, May 20, 2015, and 19 the parties have reconvened for a new conference for 20 purposes of discussing the status of the case, their 21 progress in addressing various issues, and to advise 22 the Court what litigation schedule, if any, they still 23 need to have scheduled. So, I'll note and say that Mr. 24 Zachary M. Berman, the attorney of record for the FAA, 25 is present. Mr. Robert Roth, the pro seU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 5

1 representative for Global Aircraft Interiors, Inc., is 2 present. 3 MR. ROTH: Yes, that is correct. 4 THE COURT: And our last conference was set 5 on and heard on April 16, 2015. At that time, we 6 addressed a variety of different matters; and as a 7 result, on April 17, 2015, an order authorizing 8 respondent attorney to withdraw effective April 16, 9 2015, cancelling June 2015 hearing and granting other 10 relief, was filed. As part of this order, the parties 11 were directed to confer privately to discuss the 12 status of the case and determine what issues remained 13 in dispute. So, let's start with that, and I will 14 turn to you, Mr. Berman, as counsel for the FAA. Can 15 you tell the Court when you conferred with Mr. Roth 16 and what the result of that conversation were that you 17 can discuss with the Court today? 18 MR. BERMAN: Yes. We didn't really discuss 19 the merits of the case. We more discussed the 20 possibility of settling the case, and we've had this 21 communications over the last couple of days, including 22 as recently as yesterday, and we had email 23 communications where we talked about settlement and, 24 but I said that, he made a particular settlement offer 25 that wasn't acceptable to us. And I said, you know,U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 6

1 we could consider, you know, and I had made a 2 settlement offer, and I said we can go down in our 3 offer if he provides some financial information and, 4 because he was claiming inability to pay. And Mr. 5 Roth said that he didn't have his tax returns for what 6 I believe is from the last couple of years, and he was 7 able to provide a, complete a DOJ financial form. And, 8 I mean, it is something, but we did reduce the amount 9 that we, you know, we did reduce our settlement offer 10 based on that, but I don't think we'd be able to 11 reduce that anymore unless we have more information, 12 including the tax returns, and although our offer was 13 considerably lower than what, lower than our original 14 settlement offer and considerably lower than what we 15 proposed in our, you know, as opposed to a penalty, he 16 says he can't afford to pay that amount. But, that's 17 THE COURT: Okay, well, yes. Let's talk a 18 little bit about specifics. Can you identify the 19 first date that you conferred with Mr. Roth about any 20 of these matters? 21 MR. BERMAN: You mean the recent 22 discussions? 23 THE COURT: Right. If you just started 24 talking in the last couple of days, I just want to 25 have a sense of when that discussion started.U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 7

1 MR. BERMAN: I believe it was about a week 2 ago. I don't know the exact date. 3 THE COURT: Well, today is May 20th, 2015. 4 About a week ago, it was May 13, 2015. Can you give 5 me an idea the time was exactly one week ago or 6 something other than that? 7 MR. BERMAN: I'm looking through my emails, 8 and it's, I guess Mr. Roth could correct me if I'm 9 wrong, but I think we've had communications over the 10 last two days. And there might have been 11 communications before that, but I just don't remember. 12 THE COURT: Okay. 13 MR. BERMAN: I mean, the discussions were 14 more in earnest over the last two days about the 15 issues of settlement and financial information. 16 THE COURT: Okay. Well, let's just say that 17 on May 18th and May 19th, 2015, the parties had some 18 discussions. Were these only by email, or was it, was 19 there also a phone call? 20 MR. BERMAN: It was, I don't remember if I 21 spoke to him in person, you know. I know he left me 22 voicemail messages, and I know, and there were email 23 communications. I don't remember, I think, yes, I 24 think I spoke to him by phone as well. 25 THE COURT: But you don't have a record ofU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 8

1 when that was? 2 MR. BERMAN: It was within the last two 3 days. 4 THE COURT: Okay. Anything else you'd like 5 to add to that summary, Mr. Berman, before I turn to 6 Mr. Roth? 7 MR. BERMAN: No. 8 THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Roth 9 MR. ROTH: Yes. 10 THE COURT: based on the records that you've 11 kept, would you agree or disagree that the 12 communications that you've had with Mr. Berman 13 regarding the status of this case have occurred within 14 the last two days? 15 MR. ROTH: Yes, Judge, that is correct 16 THE COURT: Okay. 17 MR. ROTH: to the best of my knowledge. 18 THE COURT: And would you agree or disagree 19 about the content of those communications based on 20 what Mr. Berman has said? Did that sound fairly 21 accurate to you, or was there something missing or 22 misstated? 23 MR. ROTH: It was fairly accurate. One of 24 the things that was mentioned or that I mentioned, the 25 email that was not mentioned in regards to taxU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 9

1 returns, is that I mentioned that I owed over $18,000 2 to my accounting firm. And due to that fact, they 3 were not going to be so open to get information for 4 me. So, I requested what should I do, and he sent me 5 the, a long form, I don't know the name of it, with 6 financial information that I did, I sent to him, had 7 it notarized and such forth, and presented to him. 8 THE COURT: And when you say "presented to 9 him," are you 10 MR. ROTH: I sent him via fax, Judge. 11 THE COURT: I'm sorry, what? 12 MR. ROTH: I re-sent the form, filled out, 13 via fax. 14 THE COURT: Okay. And when you say "to 15 him," are you referring to Mr. Berman? 16 MR. ROTH: That is correct. 17 THE COURT: Okay. It looks, or it sounds to 18 me like the parties have just started to talk about 19 settlement negotiation. Would that be a fairly 20 accurate summary, Mr. Berman? 21 MR. BERMAN: We have spoken about it a while 22 ago, but we, and this was back in the day when they 23 were still represented by counsel. But we just got 24 back into it the last couple of days. They 25 THE COURT: Well, I'm onlyU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 10

1 MR. BERMAN: they don't have 2 THE COURT: I'm only interested right now in 3 the parties' compliance with the order that was issued 4 on April 17, 2015, which was approximately one month 5 ago. And from what I gather from you and Mr. Roth, 6 those, that private conference started two days ago 7 and is not yet completed. Mr. Berman, let me ask you 8 this. Are your settlement negotiations completed at 9 this point, or are you still in the process of 10 exchanging information? 11 MR. BERMAN: Well, I'm not sure if I can 12 answer that. If Mr. Roth is not able to provide any 13 more financial information, it looks like the 14 settlement discussions are over, because it doesn't 15 look like we'd be able to come to a mutually-agreeable 16 amount. We might change our position if he produces, 17 you know, more financial information. If we're 18 THE COURT: So, in other words, you're still 19 available and open to a settlement if information is 20 provided? 21 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 22 THE COURT: Mr. Roth, let me turn back to 23 you. 24 MR. ROTH: Yes, Judge. 25 THE COURT: In this April 17, 2015 order,U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 11

1 the Court directed you on page 6, paragraph 6, to read 2 the FAA complaint and read the regulation that the FAA 3 alleged that your company has violated. Have you done 4 that? 5 MR. ROTH: Yes, I have. 6 THE COURT: Okay. It also directed you to 7 begin to consider what evidence you might have to 8 support your defenses against the FAA's allegation. 9 Have you started to do that? 10 MR. ROTH: Yes, I've put together some 11 information, Judge. 12 THE COURT: Okay. What, in your opinion, is 13 the status of your settlement negotiations? Are you 14 in a position to continue to provide some additional 15 information to the FAA, or are you finished? 16 MR. ROTH: I have spoken late last evening 17 to my accounting firm, and as a special favor, the 18 senior partner, he has agreed, due to the 19 circumstances, to release some information as 20 requested. 21 THE COURT: So, does that mean that you are 22 still in the process of gathering information for 23 settlement discussions, or are you finished? 24 MR. ROTH: Yes, I am, I'm in the process of 25 gathering information as requested by Mr. Berman ofU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 12

1 tax returns, which I think is more information that he 2 is requesting at this particular time. 3 THE COURT: When, Mr. Roth, is your 4 accounting firm planning to release that information 5 to you? 6 MR. ROTH: They were going to have, they 7 have a senior meeting this Friday morning. At that 8 time, he was going to speak to the other senior 9 partners, get confirmation from them, and I should 10 have an answer, I would expect, by noontime if all the 11 rest of the partners agree. 12 THE COURT: And when you say that, it sounds 13 like there haven't been a complete agreement by your 14 accounting firm to release information to you. 15 There's a discussion about it at this point. Is that 16 MR. ROTH: That is correct, but, but the 17 counsel has, my senior partner that has been my 18 accounting firm for the last many years, has given me 19 a 99 percent that it should not be involved. 20 THE COURT: Well, there's always a 1 percent 21 possibility that it could. But you should know, then, 22 by the 22nd of this month? 23 MR. ROTH: Yes, I think by the afternoon of 24 the 22nd. 25 THE COURT: And if they tell you on theU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 13

1 afternoon of Friday, May 22nd, 2015 that the 2 information is available, does that mean they're going 3 to give you the information that day? 4 MR. ROTH: I don't think, it would probably 5 take them a couple days to do some research. I would 6 think, really, within a week's time should be 7 reasonable for them. 8 THE COURT: And when you say "a week's 9 time," you're talking about a week from this Friday, 10 May 22nd, 2015? 11 MR. ROTH: Yes, that is correct. So, I'm 12 looking at the calendar. I would say by the 29th, I 13 should have that information available to me. I feel 14 fairly confident in that particular time. 15 THE COURT: And how, if at all, do you think 16 this information will help you in your settlement 17 discussions with Mr. Berman? And you don't have to 18 get into specifics. I'm just curious as to whether or 19 not you think it will be effective or have some 20 effective value in your request to the FAA to continue 21 reducing the proposed fine. 22 MR. ROTH: Yes, I think the, I provided the 23 information to the best of my ability with the forms I 24 was given, and I think the tax returns given by my 25 accounting firm should confirm all the informationU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 14

1 that I had presented to Mr. Berman. 2 THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Berman, let me turn 3 back to you. This, actually the Court can do a 4 variety of different things at this point. But what 5 makes the most sense is to do that which is most 6 efficient, most effective, and that helps the parties 7 if settlement is still viable. So, do you think it is 8 of value to postpone any litigation scheduling a 9 second time to allow you additional time to exchange 10 information with Mr. Roth, or do you think that it 11 would be better to start setting up a discovery 12 schedule now? 13 MR. BERMAN: I think there'd be value in 14 postponing the litigation schedule pending further 15 settlement discussions, but I think that it should be, 16 that that time should be limited to not too long 17 amount of time, because I don't think it, I don't 18 think it's necessary or would be helpful to the 19 process if it's prolonged too much more. 20 THE COURT: What kind of timeline are you 21 looking at as being reasonable? 22 MR. BERMAN: I'd say about a, about a month. 23 THE COURT: So, today is May 20th, 2015. A 24 month would be approximately June 24th, 2015. Dunk it 25 would be helpful for the Court to provide someU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 15

1 deadlines for information exchange, or dunk that the 2 parties can address that adequately on their own? 3 MR. BERMAN: I think I prefer the, you, the 4 judge, set one date that, and leave it open to us as 5 to, without going into details as to exchange of 6 information, just give us a 30 or whatever amount of 7 days it is to try to come up with some kind of 8 resolution. And if we don't settle by that time, then 9 we'll go ahead and have a litigation schedule. 10 THE COURT: Mr. Roth, what's your perception 11 or response to that idea? Do you like that idea? 12 MR. ROTH: That would be fine, Judge. 13 That's more than acceptable, and I appreciate that. 14 THE COURT: Okay. Well, then, let's take a 15 look at our calendars, and how about if I, and I can 16 set this, I'm not able to set it on the 24th of June. 17 I can set it either on Monday, June 29th, 2015, 18 Tuesday, June 30, 2015, or Wednesday, July 1st, 2015. 19 Mr. Berman, turning to you first, do any of those days 20 work for you? 21 MR. BERMAN: The Tuesday or Wednesday would 22 be preferable. 23 THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Roth, same question to 24 you. 25 MR. ROTH: Tuesday is perfectly fine ifU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 16

1 that's acceptable to Mr. Berman. Tuesday or Wednesday 2 is fine, but if he has selected Tuesday, that's 3 perfectly acceptable. 4 THE COURT: Okay. I have some other matters 5 in the morning on Tuesday, but I can do those in the 6 early afternoon. How about at 1:30 p.m. eastern time 7 on Tuesday, June 30, 2015? Mr. Berman, would that be 8 acceptable? 9 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 10 THE COURT: And Mr. Roth? 11 MR. ROTH: Yes. 12 THE COURT: So noted. Then I will 13 specifically state that Mr. Roth, I want you to be 14 sure and advise Mr. Berman by email or by phone 15 message on May 22nd, 2015 what results you heard from 16 the accounting firm, just whether there was a thumbs 17 up or thumbs down. 18 MR. ROTH: Mm-hmm. (Indicating 19 affirmatively.) 20 THE COURT: And then, ideally, I'd like to 21 have you, I'm looking at the calendar, provide to Mr. 22 Berman, on or before June 5th, any and all 23 documentation that you've received from the accounting 24 firm. 25 MR. ROTH: Yes.U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 17

1 MR. ROTH: Your Honor, the date on that was 2 June 2nd, you said? 3 THE COURT: June 5. 4 MR. ROTH: June 5th, I apologize. 5 THE COURT: Now, if there are problems of 6 any kind in getting the materials on or before June 7 5th to Mr. Berman, Mr. Roth, I'd like you to make sure 8 that you tell him what those problems are, and the 9 parties may agree without consulting with the Court to 10 extend that deadline if it's agreeable to both 11 parties. 12 MR. BERMAN: Affirmative, Judge. 13 THE COURT: Okay. And then I would like to 14 have you both actively discussing the documents that 15 are provided immediately after June 5th, or whichever 16 date they're provided whichever comes first, so that 17 at our next conference on June 30, 2015 at 1:30 p.m., 18 the parties will be well established at that point to 19 know exactly what needs to be done in this case and 20 how it should be done. And if there, if a settlement 21 has been reached, the parties have exchanged whatever 22 documentation prior to June 30, 2015 to accomplish 23 that so that you utilize your time as best you can. I 24 will be issuing an order probably either this 25 afternoon or tomorrow morning that codifies this inU.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 18

1 writing so that you both have it in hand. Mr. Berman, 2 on behalf of your client, is there anything else the 3 Court can do for you today? 4 MR. BERMAN: Just one minor clarification 5 for the record. I said that all our communications 6 with Mr. Roth over the last couple of days were by 7 phone and by email, and he said, and I agree with 8 this, I had forgotten when I said that, his 9 submissions of financial information were by fax. 10 That's the only, just a minor clarification for the 11 record. 12 THE COURT: Okay, thank you very much. Mr. 13 Roth, on behalf of your client, is there anything else 14 that the Court can address for you today? 15 MR. ROTH: Not at this time, Judge. Thank 16 you very much for your cooperation. I appreciate it. 17 THE COURT: You're very welcome. I wish you 18 both good luck on behalf of your clients, with your 19 respective discussions between now and June 30, 2015. 20 With that, we can go off the record, and I wish you 21 all a good day. Thank you. 22 MR. BERMAN: Thank you, Judge. 23 MR. ROTH: Have a very good day, Judge. 24 THE COURT: Bye bye. 25 MR. BERMAN: Take care.U.S. Dept. of Trans. vs G.A.I. Hearing May 20, 2015 VR # 1679-3 Page 19

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