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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 

SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 

Before The Honorable William Matthewman, Magistrate Judge 

VIRGINIA JOHNSON, ) 

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 Plaintiff, ) 

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 VS. ) NO. 22-CV-81427-DMM 

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MEDIGAP LIFE, LLC, )

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 Defendant. )

_______________________________) 

 West Palm Beach, Florida

 Wednesday, November 30, 2022 

TRANSCRIPT OF OFFICIAL ELECTRONIC SOUND RECORDING

OF PROCEEDINGS

Digital Audio Recording 10:32 a.m. - 11:05 a.m. = 33 minutes 

APPEARANCES:

For Plaintiff: 

 KAUFMAN P.A. 

 31 Samana Drive 

 Miami, Florida 33133 

 BY: AVI ROBERT KAUFMAN, ESQ.

 

For Defendant: 

 KABAT CHAPMAN & OZMER LLP 

 171 17th Street Northwest, Suite 1550 

 Atlanta, Georgia 30363 

 BY: RYAN DAVID WATSTEIN, ESQ.

 MICHAEL S. QIN, ESQ.

 

Transcribed By: James C. Pence-Aviles, RMR, CRR, CSR No. 13059 

 Official Court Reporter 

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Wednesday - November 30, 2022 10:32 a.m.

P R O C E E D I N G S

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THE COURT: All right. Good morning, everybody. 

Ken, let's call the case.

THE CLERK: Calling Case Number

22-81427-CV-Middlebrooks, slash, Matthewman, Virginia Johnson,

on behalf of herself and others similarly situated, versus

Medigap Life, LLC.

THE COURT: All right. So this is a scheduling

conference via Zoom video teleconference. We tried to hold it

yesterday, but counsel was having some issues -- one of the

counsel was having issues. So today, hopefully, we can get

this scheduling conference over and done with. 

Who do we have here on behalf of the plaintiff?

MR. KAUFMAN: Good morning, Your Honor. This is 

Avi Kaufman on behalf of the plaintiff.

THE COURT: All right. And who do we have here on

behalf of the defendant?

MR. WATSTEIN: Good morning, Your Honor. This is 

Ryan Watstein. And my colleague, Michael Qin, is observing as

well.

THE COURT: All right, Mr. Watstein. 

And do you think you have your Internet connection under

control today?

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MR. WATSTEIN: Yeah. Yeah, I do. 

As I was explaining to -- to Mr. Zuniga, I was hardwired

at my office to a one-gigabyte AT&T connection. You know, it's

just totally baffling, and I -- I sent a rage email to IT

afterward. I'm at home today because today I wasn't taking any

risks. I'm sitting next to my Wi-Fi router.

THE COURT: All right. Well, it sounds good -- it

sounds good this morning. So I'm glad you were able to clear

that up.

I'm not -- we'll just go ahead, and I'll just start over.

I don't recall where I was yesterday. I've had so many

hearings. 

But let me just ask, Mr. Kaufman, does the plaintiff

anticipate adding any additional parties?

MR. KAUFMAN: No. At this time, we don't anticipate

adding any additional parties unless someone else is involved

as being involved in the calling activity. 

I'll admit it's a little unclear, from the submission

regarding bifurcation, whether the calls -- whether the

defendant has taken the position that they made the calls or

someone affiliated with them made -- made the calls.

THE COURT: All right. Well, if you do need to add

any additional parties, just make sure you do that in a timely

manner under the scheduling order.

MR. KAUFMAN: Understood, Your Honor. Thank you.

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THE COURT: All right. Mr. Watstein, anything -- do

you believe the defendant's going to be adding any additional

parties?

MR. WATSTEIN: I don't anticipate that we would be

adding any additional parties, but we may -- to the extent we

do not move to compel arbitration, we will be adding a

counterclaim against the plaintiff for breach of contract

and -- and fraud.

THE COURT: Okay. All right. So this is a TCPA

potential class action case. There's a pending motion to

vacate the trial date and bifurcate discovery at 

Docket Entry 12, there was a response at 14, and I'll be

addressing that motion today briefly.

Now, at the current trial setting, this case is set for a

two-week trial period beginning June 5th of 2023 with the

discovery cutoff of March 23rd, 2023, and a dispositive motion

cutoff date of April 6th of 2023. And I'll be issuing an order

after this hearing which gives all the pretrial deadlines in

this -- in this case.

But on -- as far as this motion to vacate the trial date

and bifurcate the -- the discovery, what is the -- what is the

defendant seeking here?

MR. WATSTEIN: Sure, Your Honor. 

So just as a very basic background, slash, summary, you

know, this is a case in which the plaintiff filed a putative

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TCPA class action claiming that she was contacted without

consent.

Our client doesn't contact anyone without consent.

They're a -- in a very niche area, Medigap -- Medicare gap

insurance. They only contact people who are interested in that

very specific product, which is a very specific demographic. 

So it was unsurprising, when we investigated, to learn

that there was a lead -- lead form submitted with the

plaintiff's information and the plaintiff's phone number and an

IP address that geolocated to her remote area of Arkansas

requesting this information and providing express written

consent.

After we -- after we obtained that information from the

third-party lead generator, we dug in further and determined

that this same person submitted leads directly to our client's

Facebook page requesting information about Medicare gap

insurance on three separate occasions, each of which also

provided express written consent.

So our -- our position is very straightforward. There is

no claim because there was an express opt-in. The lead that

came in through the third party -- we believe there was also

consent to an arbitration provision.

We're still waiting on the arbitration terms from them,

which is the only reason why we haven't moved to compel

arbitration yet, which is why we've proposed, you know, that we

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would move to compel arbitration by December 10th if we confirm

that, in fact, that arbitration provision existed, as we

believe it did.

But regardless of that, we know for a fact that we've got

four leads that geolocate to her geographic area that provide

consent, which is a dispositive defense that would resolve the

entire case.

And so what we have proposed is we be given a deadline to

file a motion to compel arbitration and, if either we don't do

that or that's denied, we be given a very expedited period of

individual discovery that wouldn't slow the case down. 

You know, we don't need more than 60 days. We could do 90

days. Then we'd move for summary judgment. And if that

resolves the issue, then the case ends. And if it doesn't,

then it proceeds.

But, you know, the proposal -- our proposal wouldn't

duplicate any efforts. It's focused solely on individual

claims. We're only asking for it because we have this -- what

we believe is dispositive evidence, which, by the way, we've

presented to plaintiff and plaintiff's counsel and asked for a

response.

We've provided all the lead information. We asked for a

response by Monday before the hearing. We've received nothing.

So right now, we have no rebuttal to the facts that we've

rolled out. 

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And in any event, you know, as we point out in our motion,

we handle a lot of TCPA class actions. And in every single

case except one, in which I have been counsel, in a decade-plus

of doing this, and discovery has been bifurcated in this way,

class discovery has never been necessary either because we've

prevailed on summary judgment, the case settled, whatever

reason.

So my point is it has proven time and time again, in a

case like this, that it's extremely efficient, and it doesn't

have to slow the case down at all because it's expedited. So

that's essentially the basis for our motion.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you, Mr. Watstein.

Mr. Kaufman, what about -- what about all that and the

allegation that your client consented to receive these texts?

MR. KAUFMAN: Sure, Your Honor.

I'll start by saying we absolutely dispute the consent. I

have no obligation to respond to Mr. Watstein's letter. We

have a long history of going back and forth, and I don't find

it productive to engage with them on an informal basis because

it's never advanced our cases in any material way. So I've

decided not to do that here because I'm under no obligation to

do so. 

He's rolled out a motion with scant facts and without any

showing whatsoever that the process they used to allegedly

obtain consent from the plaintiff was any different from the

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process they used to allegedly obtain consent from any other

putative class member. 

There's no reason that the discovery they seek will be

different for class members as opposed to the plaintiff.

How -- how will we determine, with regard to the third-party

website and the validity of the consent, where the line is to

be drawn as to what's individual discovery versus what's class

discovery?

Are all email communications with the -- the operator of

that website class discovery or individual discovery? There's

a series of -- or a series of uncertain lines to be drawn in

discovery of this nature. When they're proposing individual

discovery, that's not going to be any different, with regard to

third parties, than the class discovery.

Notably, Your Honor --

THE COURT: Let me ask you a question. Let me just

ask you a question. Maybe you can clarify it.

MR. KAUFMAN: Sure.

THE COURT: If what opposing counsel says is correct

and your client expressly consented to receive these texts, is

she an appropriate class representative?

MR. KAUFMAN: No. I agree, Your Honor. If there's

consent, then she's not an appropriate class representative.

But if I understand Mr. Watstein correctly, what he's saying is

there's the same type of consent for every single putative

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class member.

So to the extent that we intend to challenge the website

operator's provision of consent, whether those interactions

actually happened or not, we intend to do so on a class basis.

We've done this in other cases. We get a forensic Internet

expert. He analyzes web logs. So -- so, again, that's another

demonstration of a line of likely contention. 

When they say they have consent from the individual, we're

going to want to see the web logs for the -- for website

operator for all of the consents they've provided to the

defendant because, in the past, we've seen certain patterns

that have allowed us to identify fraudulent consents and to

demonstrate, on a class-wide basis, that consent is

prospectively invalid.

So -- so these are the issues we see when they've made no

showing that the plaintiff's circumstance is different. And

ironically, you know, to address a different point Mr. Watstein

made, he talks about bifurcation, how it won't require

duplication and how it won't slow down the case. 

But, really, what he's proposed is really trifurcation.

It's, "Let's have a motion to compel arbitration. Let's see

how that plays out. If we lose on that, let's get another bite

at the apple on the individual claim. We'll file a summary

judgment and other potentially dispositive motions. If we lose

on that, there's got to be another discovery period and another

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set of dispositive motions."

He's proposing, effectively, a series of three dispositive

motions in a case that's set for trial seven months out and

saying that it won't, in any way, delay the case. So I don't

understand how -- how that could possibly be so, particularly

when, on the flip side, the risk of prejudice to the plaintiff

is real.

We don't know for certain whether or not Medigap itself

made the calls or whether there was a third party. It's

absolutely almost -- probably intentionally unclear, from the

submissions that the defendant made, who made the calls. So

we're not in a position to obtain the call records, and we run

the risk that they're not being properly preserved. 

Defendant can send as many preservation letters as it

wants. But if they're implicating a vendor of theirs for

potentially violative conduct, there's no recourse if that

vendor says, "Oh, no" and destroys the records when they

receive a preservation notice from the defendant, and -- and

there's nothing the plaintiff can do. TCPA class-action cases

have been won and lost on these preservation issues.

So we have an absolute concern that there will be

prejudice if we're not permitted to take class discovery at

this stage. And there's been no showing that efficiency will

be promoted, that discovery disputes will be avoided, or that

there's anything different about the discovery that will be for

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plaintiff, that will be for other class members with regard to

third parties.

In fact, there's absolute overlap, and Mr. Watstein's

proffer that there isn't just underscores the likelihood of

discovery disputes over the needless line-drawing that would

result from bifurcation -- or trifurcation, I guess, in this

case.

THE COURT: All right. Mr. Watstein, if you want to

briefly respond, and we'll move on.

MR. WATSTEIN: Sure. That would be great. So I'll

try to hit all the points very briefly.

On the point about trifurcation, that's not what we're

proposing. In fact, if the Court would prefer to -- to just

set an individual discovery period, then that's fine. We can

move forward with individual discovery at the same time that

our motion to compel arbitration is pending.

I have found, in my experience, that most courts don't

want to conduct and find it improper to conduct discovery when

there's a question about their jurisdiction, which -- of

course, the issue of an arbitration provision calls into

question the Court's jurisdiction.

That said, as long as the Court won't hold that we've

waived our right to arbitration by engaging in individual

discovery, we'd be fine with just proceeding with individual

discovery now. And that's particularly --

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THE COURT: When do you -- when do you anticipate

filing your motion to compel arbitration?

MR. WATSTEIN: December 10th. I mean, it's -- that's

the date that we've proposed.

The only thing we're waiting on -- we have the consent

form already. The only thing we're waiting on is the

arbitration terms from the third party. Otherwise, we'd be

ready to file it now. It's just, you know, sometimes it takes

time to get things from a big company --

THE COURT: Okay.

MR. WATSTEIN: -- and this lead generator happens to

be a large publicly traded company.

The -- I want to address the point about the idea that

there's absolute overlap. That's completely false, as we

pointed out in our reply brief. This client obtains leads from

dozens of different sources. And all of those sources contain

different consent language, different procedures. 

So this is absolutely not an issue that, if resolved as to

the named plaintiff, will somehow resolve the issue as to the

class. That is absolutely not true, and that's particularly

true if their position is that this is a one-off instance of

fraud, which -- by the way, to address that point quickly, I

acknowledge that, in some of these cases, there's -- there are

potential issues of fraudulent leads.

And the reason why we know that didn't happen here is

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because of the leads that came into our client's own Facebook

page. The fraud arises when there are diffuse networks of

affiliates that have a financial incentive to potentially

generate fraudulent leads.

Our client was not paying for traffic. Our client had a

Facebook web page, where people could come and request

communications. The only way that that happens is if a human

being logs on and requests communications, which we have a

record of here.

To the point about the call records not being preserved,

it's my understanding that these calls were made by our client

or an owned affiliate of our client. Our client is a

sophisticated multibillion-dollar company owned by Alliance.

They're not going to be destroying any records. There's a

litigation hold in place, as you would expect. 

And to the extent Mr. Kaufman wants to serve preservation

subpoenas on any lead generators, again, recognizing that this

lead came in directly to our client's own Facebook page, we

would have no objection to that. And, in fact, in the last

couple cases in which courts have ordered bifurcation,

including just a couple weeks ago, that's what the Court's

done, send the preservation subpoena with a return date of six

months from now.

But, again, the call logs won't be destroyed because we're

in possession of those.

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THE COURT: All right. So here's what -- I'm going to

take that under advisement for now, and I want to take a look

at your papers that the parties have filed and -- and go from

there.

Right now, we have a trial date of, as I said, June 5th,

2023 -- that's a two-week period -- before Judge Middlebrooks;

the discovery cutoff date March 23rd, '23; and the dispositive

motion cutoff date April 6th of 2023. And I'll go ahead and

issue a written order after this -- after this hearing. I want

to take a look a little bit further at the matter.

Now, let me talk a little bit about a few other things.

The sealing of documents -- here, in federal court, the sealing

of documents is the exception and not the rule. The Court

requires substantial reasons to support any request for the

sealing of documents.

So motions to seal are decided on an individual basis, and

the bar is actually set very high for granting any such motion.

So if you do file a motion to seal, if you want to keep

something from public view, make sure that your motion is

thorough, detailed, well-researched because the Court does not

lightly seal matters.

In some cases, over the past several years, it seems like

parties or counsel want to seal almost every document in the

case. And we're very fretful about what we seal and what we

don't allow sealings. So just be aware of that. An agreed

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motion to seal will not be sufficient. So if you are going to

move to seal anything, just make sure it's well-supported

factually and legally.

Now, one of the issues I always address at these

scheduling conferences is the parties' ability, if they wish,

to consent to Magistrate Judge jurisdiction. All parties must

agree. Any party is free to withhold consent without ask --

without any adverse consequences.

I have many, many cases where the parties do consent. I

have others where they don't. It doesn't matter to me either

way. I -- I tell lawyers at these scheduling conferences that

I think I have enough work to keep me busy the rest of my life. 

So if you want to consent, that's great. And if you don't

want to, that's fine, too. If one side wants to and the other

side doesn't want to, I don't need to know who does and who

doesn't.

I will tell you some of the advantages of consenting, that

instead of being carried on a calendar -- a two-week calendar

before Judge Middlebrooks, I specially set my trial dates for a

date and time certain.

So what happens is when the parties do consent to

Magistrate Judge jurisdiction, the case is sent to me. I then

immediately set down a status conference. I hear from counsel

for both sides as to a -- as to their request for a trial date.

I look at my schedule. And then, based on all of that, I set

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down a specially set trial date.

There's no trailing, no bump by other cases. And you can

tell judges in other courts that you are specially set for

trial in federal court at a date and time certain rather than

on a -- on a calendar.

I've had many -- I've had post-pandemic jury trials. I've

had jury and bench trials set this year, next year, 2023. And

I actually already have jury trials set in 2024, believe it or

not.

I do allow attorney-conducted voir dire. And I'm

typically a bit more generous or lenient, I'm told, than 

Judge Middlebrooks is on my trial dates and my pretrial

deadlines. 

But the choice is yours. It's totally up to you. It

doesn't matter to me. I don't ask you your position or your

clients' position here at this -- at this scheduling

conference.

The way it works is real simple. If both sides or one

side do not want to consent, you don't have to do anything at

all, and the case will stay on the current docket for trial

before Judge Middlebrooks.

If the parties do wish to consent, all you have to do is

both counsel sign a form, file it with the Court. The case is

then sent to me for all future purposes. I set down the status

conference, and I hear from counsel on both sides as to a -- as

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to the trial date and the pretrial deadlines.

If you need it, the form is available -- to consent --

from my CRD. It's available from the Clerk's Office, and I

believe it's attached to the order that I'll be entering after

this -- after this hearing. So that's that.

Let's talk a little bit about mediation or a settlement

conference. Included in the order that I will be entering with

the pretrial deadlines in the case, it will also have an order

that will refer the matter to mediation or a settlement

conference.

Local Rule 16.2 does require mediation for most cases,

including this one, no less than 60 days before trial. And the

trial order acts as a trigger for the local rule and does not

change any of its requirements or any of its provisions.

You pretty much have three options here. Number 1 is you

can talk among yourselves, and you can select a mediator. If

you need it, there's a list of federal court mediators,

certified mediators, available from the Clerk's Office upon

request. And as long as you or the mediator files a notice of

mediation in a timely manner under the pretrial scheduling

order, that will be fine.

Option 2, sometimes the lawyers or the parties can't agree

on a mediator. In that case, you can, if you wish, file a

motion asking the Court to direct the clerk to select the

mediator for you. Those are routinely granted. And typically

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what happens is the clerk is directed to select a mediator, and

then the clerk simply goes to their list of federal certified

mediators, selects a mediator, and -- and that's your mediator.

Now, a third option is the parties can request, if they

wish, a settlement conference before a United States Magistrate

Judge. Now, the way that works is as follows: 

If the case is set before Judge Middlebrooks for trial and

the parties want to have a settlement conference before a

Magistrate Judge, he will ask if I have time to handle it. And

if I do, I'll go -- go ahead and set down the -- the settlement

conference. And I'm typically doing those by Zoom

videoconference unless the parties specifically request to be

personally present in the courthouse.

Now, if the case is before me for trial and I'm going to

be handling the trial and everything else, I do not handle my

own settlement conferences. So in that situation, if the

parties want to have a settlement conference before a

Magistrate Judge, I simply reach out to my colleagues to see if

anybody is available to handle it. 

And this comes up routinely. And what happens is I find

one of my colleagues who's -- who's you know, able and willing,

has the time to handle it. And since most of my colleagues are

doing them by Zoom videoconference, it really can be anybody in

the district. Whether they're in Key West, Miami, Fort Pierce,

West Palm, Fort Lauderdale, it doesn't really matter. So

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that's how -- that's how that works.

Now, if you do reach a settlement, the parties are

required to file a joint notice of settlement right away, and

the plaintiff is required to prepare a motion and an order for

dismissal with prejudice or otherwise whatever the settlement

agreement calls for.

If you come to a settlement in principle but you still are

ironing out the paperwork, you are still required to file a

joint notice of settlement and just state in there how much

time you are requesting from the Court to file your closeout

papers such as your motion and stipulation for dismissal.

Now, a couple things about settlement. Number 1 is if you

do reach a settlement, let us know right away by filing a joint

notice. And if you can, also call chambers. We are all very

busy here, coming out of the pandemic. I'm sure you are as

well. 

But we're handling bench trials, jury trials, hearings in

civil cases and criminal cases, et cetera. And the last thing

that we need to be doing or our law clerks need to be doing is

working on an order in a case that has settled. So if you do

settle, just let us know right away.

The second thing is that if you want the Court to retain

jurisdiction to enforce your settlement, you need to -- you

need to specifically request that before the case is dismissed.

If you do not request the Court to retain jurisdiction to

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enforce your settlement, the Court will not do so. 

And then, as I'm sure you -- you-all know, in such a case,

if the Court has not retained jurisdiction and -- and one party

wants to move to compel compliance with the settlement

agreement or enforce it, you have to file a separate lawsuit;

whereas if the Court has retained jurisdiction, you can file a

motion in this case to enforce the settlement agreement. So

those are just some things to keep in mind.

Now, the last couple things that I'm going to address

before I turn to counsel and see if there's any -- any issues

you want to raise or any clarifications you want: Number 1,

local rules; Number 2, discovery.

First of all, local rules. I will tell you that 

Judge Middlebrooks is a stickler for the local rules. You and

your staff, your paralegals, your associates, et cetera, need

to be up on the local rules. They are available for free as a

PDF on our court's website. 

You need to make sure you have the most recent version.

As you know, they affect things like certificate of conferral,

summary judgment, all types of things. The surest way to have

a motion denied is to not comply with the local rules. So just

be aware of that.

Secondly, discovery -- or, I guess I should say, lastly,

discovery. Both Judge Middlebrooks and I have very similar

views on discovery. We both believe that it is a very

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important part of the case, but it's not the case. We do not

allow interminable fighting and prolongation of the discovery

process.

We believe that what this case is about is your client,

whatever side you're on, obtaining a favorable verdict at trial

or obtaining a favorable summary judgment ruling in your favor

or obtaining a favorable dispositive motion ruling in your

favor or a favorable settlement.

I've asked what the case is about. The case is not about

a discovery bloodbath. So we insist on a couple things -- more

than a couple. We insist on extensive cooperation among

counsel and professionalism, especially during the discovery

process because that's where we see cases really fall apart

sometimes.

We require personal conferral before a motion for

discovery is filed. That means picking up the phone and

calling the other lawyer in an honest attempt to try and work

out the discovery dispute, not just calling up and saying,

"We're making a discovery request. I assume that you oppose."

That's -- that's not sufficient.

At the end of 2019, I read a law review article from the

University of Florida Law Review. It's -- it's entitled "The

New Paradigm of E-discovery." It's available for free on the

University of Florida Law Review website. It's available if

you do a simple Google search for "The New Paradigm of

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E-discovery." It's available on Westlaw. 

The reason I bring it up -- first of all, it talks about

the ten core components of modern e-discovery, and it

represents some of my views on discovery. But it also

represents the views of a lot of other judges I've spoken to

over the years on handling -- on handling discovery.

It talks about a number of things, some I've already

touched on -- professionalism, cooperation, good faith -- but

it also talks about no overbroad discovery requests. We want

to see specific, targeted discovery requests. 

So that -- you know, the day and age of -- of discovery

requests -- and I'll paraphrase -- that say something like, you

know, "I want any and all documents in any way related to any

issues for anything to do with this case" -- those days are

gone.

Likewise, no boilerplate vague responses to discovery, no

boilerplate objections. Sometimes we have seen, you know, five

pages of general objections followed by a couple -- couple --

followed by some additional objections, followed by a statement

that says, "Notwithstanding the above, we're going to be

producing something at some point." That -- that doesn't work. 

We want to see specific requests, specific -- and specific

responses or objections. If you -- if you are responding, for

example, to an RFP, to a request for production, state what

you're producing and when. State what you are withholding and

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why. 

So if you're withholding something on a privilege ground,

you need to specifically state the privilege and your basis.

And, of course, under our local rule, you need to do a

privilege log. Our local rule indicates and the case law

indicates that if you do not do a privilege log when you raise

a privilege issue, that can be a waiver of privilege.

Additionally, if you are responding to discovery, you

know, be very clear on what you are producing. If one side

asks for, say, eight years of discovery in an RFP and the other

side says, "Well, you know, I think four years is appropriate,

but eight years is crazy. That's disproportionate. That's too

much. That's not relevant," go ahead and produce your four

years and file your -- you know, serve your notice on the other

side that you're objecting to the other four years. And then

if you can't work it out with the other side, file a motion,

whatever side wants to, and we'll deal with it very quickly.

I will tell you, though, that if you do file a discovery

motion, make sure all your ducks are in a row. Make sure you

have personally conferred and it's a good motion because,

whether I'm handling it or Judge Middlebrooks is, we will both

typically expedite responses to discovery. We will -- if we

set a hearing, we try to set a hearing down extremely promptly,

and we try to have a ruling on a discovery dispute very, very

quickly.

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So, you know, in some of these cases, Judge Middlebrooks

handles discovery; in some, I do; and in some, we both do,

depending on what's going on with our respective schedules. We

don't mind a legitimate discovery dispute if -- if good lawyers

honestly can't work it out. We don't mind that at all. That's

what we're here for. 

What we do mind are the silly discovery disputes, the

fights over a date of deposition, who goes first, the -- you

know, one side is being overly broad, the other side is being

overly restrictive, and there's no good-faith conferral, and

there's just a lot of nastiness and scorched earth. We put a

stop to that very quickly either by sanctions or whatever else

needs to get done.

We really want to make sure that, in this case and any

case, the discovery process is fair to both sides; that both

sides get -- under 26(b)(1), under that rule, both sides get

what's relevant and proportional to the -- to the pending

claims and defenses; that nothing gets wasteful or unnecessary. 

So what we don't want to do is get into areas that are

wasteful discovery, where it ends up, you know, wasting your

clients' money. It ends up wasting your time, and frankly it

ends up wasting our time. We want to make sure both sides have

a level playing field here, both sides get the discovery they

need, and then we feel that the result, whatever that will be,

will be -- will be fair.

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If you file a motion in discovery and it does not have a

certificate of conferral, you can anticipate that will be

denied. If you file a motion and it has a certificate of

conferral but it's what we call a perfunctory motion or a

perfunctory certificate, it says something like, "Well, I

emailed opposing counsel last night. I haven't heard back. So

I'm filing a motion," anticipate that will be denied as -- as

well.

We want to see where you have conferred, what the

conferral efforts have been, how you've tried to limit it, and

what the issue is you need the Court, if you need the Court, to

decide.

If you ever run into this situation -- I'm sure it won't

be in this case, but if you ever run into this situation where

one side is stonewalling you and they're simply not

responding -- you're calling them, you're emailing them, and

they're not responding to your discovery. They're not

conferring -- after two or three times of that, file your

motion, but put in your certificate of conferral all your

efforts that you've tried to reach the other side and

conferred. And I can assure you that we will deal with that

very quickly.

If you feel that a confidentiality order is necessary or

an ESI protocol order or a 502(d) clawback order under the

Federal Rules of Evidence, by all means, confer with the other

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side. And if you feel -- feel that's appropriate, file a

motion. Attach your proposal. We'll look at it. If

appropriate, we will go ahead and -- and enter it. Anything

that we can do to make the discovery process move fairly and

smoothly, that's what -- that's what we want to do.

So that's about all I have to say. I will tell you that

Judge Middlebrooks and I both have very, very high expectations

of counsel throughout the case but also during the discovery

process because that is where we see the majority of problems

that seem to erupt in cases. So I'm sure that that high --

those high expectations will be met here.

Now, as I said, I'll be entering a further order after

this -- after this hearing. But while I've got you both here,

Mr. Kaufman, on behalf of the plaintiff, anything you want to

raise or any clarifications or issues you want to address?

MR. KAUFMAN: No, nothing additional, Your Honor.

Thank you.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you.

And, Mr. Watstein, anything you want to raise or any

clarifications you want to address?

MR. WATSTEIN: No, Your Honor. 

The only thing that I would offer is, if the Court needs

or wants to see the lead forms that were submitted in order to

issue a ruling on the bifurcation issue, we'd be happy to file

a notice attaching those to -- in a docket entry.

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THE COURT: Okay. Let me take a look at everything.

And if there's any additional materials that I need or anything

additional that I need, I'm going to issue an order to that

effect.

MR. WATSTEIN: Thank you, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. I hope you-all have a

good afternoon.

MR. KAUFMAN: Thank you, Your Honor. Likewise.

MR. WATSTEIN: Thank you.

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CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER

 I certify that the foregoing is a true and correct 

transcript, to the best of my ability, of the above pages of 

the official electronic sound recording provided to me by the 

U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida, of the 

proceedings taken on the date and time previously stated in the 

above matter. 

 I further certify that I am neither counsel for,

related to, nor employed by any of the parties to the action in

which this hearing was taken, and further that I am not

financially nor otherwise interested in the outcome of the

action.

DATE: Sunday, December 18, 2022 

 /S/ James C. Pence-Aviles 

James C. Pence-Aviles, RMR, CRR, CSR No. 13059 

 U.S. Court Reporter 

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