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NOMINATION OF HON. ALEJANDRO N. MAYORKAS 

HEARING 

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON 

HOMELAND SECURITY AND 

GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS 

FIRST SESSION 

NOMINATION OF HON. ALEJANDRO N. MAYORKAS TO BE DEPUTY 

SECRETARY, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 

JULY 25, 2013 

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COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS 

THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware Chairman 

CARL LEVIN, Michigan 

MARK L. PRYOR, Arkansas 

MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana 

CLAIRE MCCASKILL, Missouri 

JON TESTER, Montana 

MARK BEGICH, Alaska 

TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin 

HEIDI HEITKAMP, North Dakota 

TOM COBURN, Oklahoma 

JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona 

RON JOHNSON, Wisconsin 

ROB PORTMAN, Ohio 

RAND PAUL, Kentucky 

MICHAEL B. ENZI, Wyoming 

KELLY AYOTTE, New Hampshire 

JEFF CHIESA, New Jersey 

RICHARD J. KESSLER, Staff Director 

JOHN P. KILVINGTON, Deputy Staff Director 

STEPHEN R. VIN ̃ A, Deputy Chief Counsel for Homeland Security 

DEIRDRE G. ARMSTRONG, Professional Staff Member 

KEITH B. ASHDOWN, Minority Staff Director 

CHRISTOPHER J. BARKLEY, Minority Deputy Staff Director 

DANIEL P. LIPS, Minority Director of Homeland Security 

LAURA W. KILBRIDE, Chief Clerk 

LAUREN M. CORCORAN, Hearing Clerk 
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C O N T E N T S 

Opening statements: Page 

Senator Landrieu .............................................................................................. 4 

Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 5 

Senator Heitkamp ............................................................................................ 11 

Senator McCaskill ............................................................................................ 13 

Senator Tester .................................................................................................. 20 

Prepared statements: 

Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 31 

Senator Landrieu .............................................................................................. 35 

Senator Coburn ................................................................................................. 36 

WITNESSES 

THURSDAY, JULY 25, 2013 

Hon. Dianne Feinstein, A United States Senator from the State of California 

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 1 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 38 

Hon. Alejandro N. Mayorkas, to be Deputy Secretary, U.S. Department of 

Homeland Security 

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 9 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 41 

Letter from the Office of Government Ethics ................................................. 44 

Biographical and financial information .......................................................... 47 

Responses to pre-hearing questions ................................................................ 70 

Responses to post-hearing questions .............................................................. 143 

Letters submitted by Senator Carper ............................................................. 181 

Letters of support ............................................................................................. 185 

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1The prepared statement of Ms. Feinstein appears in the Appendix on page 38. 

NOMINATION OF 

HON. ALEJANDRO N. MAYORKAS 

THURSDAY, JULY 25, 2013 

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY

AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, 

Washington, DC. 

The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:03 a.m., in room 

SD–342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Thomas R. Carper, 

Chairman of the Committee, presiding. 

Present: Senators Carper, Landrieu, McCaskill, Tester, and 

Heitkamp. 

Chairman CARPER. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to this 

hearing. Welcome, Secretary Mayorkas. Bienvenido. Welcome to 

Senator Feinstein and certainly welcome to our colleagues on the 

Committee, especially Senator Landrieu, who has agreed to say a 

few words about you before we get started. 

Senator Feinstein and Senator Landrieu are leaders on the Appropriations Committee. They have a markup literally going on 

right now. I am just very grateful for your willingness to come here 

and to introduce Director Mayorkas, and I am just going to yield 

directly to you, Senator Feinstein, for whatever you would like to 

say. We are just grateful that you could come. Thank you. 

STATEMENT OF HON. DIANNE FEINSTEIN,1 A UNITED STATES 

SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, 

and I appreciate the courtesy, so thank you. 

It is a pleasure for me to introduce President Obama’s nominee 

for Deputy Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security 

(DHS), Alejandro Mayorkas. 

I have known Ali for many years and am proud to have recommended him to President Clinton for the position of United 

States Attorney for the Central District of California as well as to 

President Obama for his current position as Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). 

The role of Deputy Secretary within the Department of Homeland Security is really an important one. The Deputy Secretary is 

charged with overseeing the agency’s efforts to counter terrorism 

and enhance the security and management of our borders while facilitating trade and travel and enforcing our immigration laws. 
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Additionally, this Deputy Secretary assists in the safeguarding 

and security of cyberspace and provides support for national and 

economic security in times of disaster in coordination with Federal, 

State, local, international, and private sector partners. 

Mr. Mayorkas I believe is well qualified for this position. He 

brings to this office a diverse background and set of experiences in 

both the private and public sectors. 

Born in Havana, Cuba, Mr. Mayorkas earned his Bachelor of 

Arts (B.A.) with distinction from the University of California, 

Berkeley, in 1981. He earned his law degree from Loyola Law 

School in 1985. 

Those who have enjoyed the opportunity to work with him regard 

him as being highly intelligent, thoughtful, kind, compassionate, 

and dedicated to doing the ‘‘right thing.’’ 

From 1989 to 1998, he served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for 

the Central District of California where he prosecuted a wide array 

of Federal crimes, specializing in the prosecution of white-collar 

crime. Federal law enforcement agencies recognized his success 

with multiple awards. For example, he received commendations 

from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Louis 

Freeh for his successful prosecution of Operation PolarCap, the 

largest money-laundering case in the Nation at the time. 

He continued to distinguish himself by becoming the first U.S. 

Attorney in the Central District of California to be appointed from 

within the office. He created the Civil Rights Section in the office 

to prosecute hate crimes. 

He developed an innovative program to address violent crime by 

targeting criminals’ possession of firearms, prosecuting street 

gangs, and at the same time developing after-school programs to 

help at-risk youth discover and realize their potential. He uniquely 

demonstrated the ability to simultaneously be firm with criminals, 

protective with the innocent, and supportive and empowering to 

our future leaders. 

As supported by the many law enforcement and community 

awards he received during his tenure as a U.S. Attorney, Mr. 

Mayorkas’ accomplishments extended beyond his district. 

He successfully expanded his office’s community outreach programs and cooperation with international players in the fight 

against crime. He directly resolved cases while also overseeing hundreds of attorneys addressing immigration matters, which included 

complex and sensitive prosecution of individuals and rings producing false immigration documents, illegal reentry cases, and 

alien-smuggling conspiracies. 

The Administrator for the Drug Enforcement Administration 

(DEA), Michele Leonhart, noted, and I quote, ‘‘he was instrumental 

in broadening collaboration between law enforcement agencies to 

address violent crime and expanded cooperation with other nations 

to address the growing threat of transnational crime.’’ 

Combined with his prosecuting white-collar crime, public corruption, computer-related crime, and international money laundering, 

she wrote that such a ‘‘broad base of experience . . . provides him 

with a unique perspective on threats to national security.’’ 

He further developed his sharp legal skills as a partner at 

O’Melveny & Myers from 2001 to 2009 where he represented com-
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panies in high-profile and sensitive government enforcement cases. 

He was recognized by his worldwide firm with an annual award for 

‘‘leadership, excellence, and citizenship,’’ and was named by the 

National Law Journal (NLJ) as one of the ‘‘50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America’’ in 2008. 

Since his confirmation as Director of USCIS 4 years ago in 2009, 

he has continued to exert his influence through leadership, excellence, and citizenship in accomplishing the agency’s mission. He 

has improved the immigration services and policies of USCIS by realigning its priorities for a modern-day America that seeks to preserve its legacy as a Nation of immigrants while ensuring national 

security and public safety—no easy task. 

Throughout his current role as Director of USCIS he has successfully preserved and increased the integrity of our immigration laws 

by decreasing fraud and bringing accountability to our immigration 

system. He has worked to secure our Nation’s criminal and immigration laws in the face of increasing gang and border violence. 

As technology advances, so too have our needs to prevent fraud 

and to safeguard immigration documents from tampering. Mr. 

Mayorkas has confronted that challenge by enhancing the scope 

and frequency of national security vetting of applicants for immigration benefits and by redesigning immigration documentation 

with enhanced security features. 

He has led USCIS in the other half of its mission, to preserve 

the role of America as a just Nation that treats immigrants at our 

shores humanely and with an eye toward the potential they bring 

to our Nation. 

To combat notario fraud and other unscrupulous practices that 

undermine the integrity of the immigration system, Mr. Mayorkas 

launched the Unauthorized Practice of Immigration Law initiative. 

It is a nationwide collaborative effort with Federal, State, and municipal agencies and enforcement authorities that work to raise 

awareness among immigrant communities and to investigate and 

prosecute wrongdoers. 

After the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, he developed and implemented a humanitarian parole program on an emergency basis to 

save orphans and unite children with their adoptive families here. 

Significantly, under President Obama’s directive to grant deferred action to immigrants who were brought to this country as 

children and who seek to legally remain in the United States, Mr. 

Mayorkas swiftly implemented the Deferred Action for Childhood 

Arrivals (DACA), initiative in 60 days. In less than 1 year, over 

half a million people have applied to remain in the United States, 

the only home they have known. 

He has realigned the agency’s organizational structure, including 

246 offices and facilities worldwide, to more accurately serve key 

priorities and achieve efficiency. He has stringent budget reviews 

that have resulted in cost-saving measures of $160 million in budget cuts for fiscal year (FY) 2010. 

Mr. Chairman, I took an additional amount of time because I 

know there are currents swirling around Mr. Mayorkas’s confirmation. But I also know that this is an incredibly special human being 

who is well deserving of this position, and I know that this Com-
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1The prepared statement of Senator Landrieu appears in the Appendix on page 35. 

mittee will do the right thing and confirm him for nomination to 

the floor of the Senate. 

Thank you very much. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you very much. 

Senator Landrieu, thank you so much for taking time to join this 

Committee as well as your other Committee, and we welcome your 

remarks. Please proceed. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR LANDRIEU1

Senator LANDRIEU. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be brief. 

Chairman CARPER. You do not have to be brief. 

Senator LANDRIEU. I wanted to be here to join Senator Feinstein 

in that fine and comprehensive and strong and excellent introduction of Alejandro Mayorkas. I have come to know this gentleman 

very well over the last several years and want the Members of this 

Committee to know that I have hardly worked with a finer individual in any Department of the Federal Government. He is a cando administrator with a heart for people, an eye on the bottom line, 

and a person that is absolutely full of the highest integrity. 

Unlike Senator Feinstein, I did not know Ali Mayorkas 16 years 

ago. I met him most recently 2 years ago and was so taken by his 

immediate willingness to help in a very serious problem, Mr. 

Chairman, that had to do with children that had been literally lost, 

adoptees stuck in orphanages for years, parents in America desperate for someone to listen to them. And this man, who runs the 

largest immigration agency in the world with all of the pressure 

that is on him from all of us, took time out of his schedule and 

identified some staff that could help. To me, that says it all. And 

we need people in our government that are willing to serve people 

directly, that understand the hearts of people, and I know Ali 

Mayorkas is that kind of person. 

I am going to submit some additional statements about the swirling that Senator Feinstein talked about into the record so as to not 

gum up the meeting this morning. But I just want to say how 

strongly I feel that the President could not have found a better person, with more integrity than the gentleman sitting before us 

today. And I am going to support him wholeheartedly. I am going 

to talk with every Member of this Committee on both sides of the 

aisle and urge them to quickly confirm this nominee because this 

department needs all the focus and help. And as the Chair of the 

Homeland Security Appropriations Committee, I hope my voice and 

my opinions will be strongly heard. 

I thank you, Mr. Chairman, and best of luck to you, Mr. 

Mayorkas. And I thank your family for being here. His wife is not 

here, and his kids, because they have taken a vacation, and he has 

not made a vacation in the last 4 years, he has been so busy. But 

his brothers are here to support him, and his family is very important to him, and as a refugee, political refugee from Cuba in the 

1960s, I think he most certainly can appreciate the importance of 

our democracy, our laws, and the significance of citizenship to the 

people of our Nation and the world. 

Thank you. 
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OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN CARPER 

Chairman CARPER. Senator Landrieu, thank you very much. 

Let me just say, Secretary Mayorkas, you could not have two better advocates than Senator Landrieu and Senator Feinstein. I 

think you know that. And we are just grateful that each of you 

could be here to share your thoughts and your determination to ensure that we do the right thing. 

Today we meet to consider the nomination of Alejandro 

Mayorkas, President Obama’s choice to serve as Deputy Secretary 

of the Department of Homeland Security. Mr. Mayorkas currently 

serves, as we heard, as the Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. We thank him for that service and for his willingness to be considered for the Deputy Secretary position. 

This Committee is responsible for working with the Administration to help protect our Nation’s security at home and abroad. At 

the same time, we strive to make sure that Federal agencies work 

better and more efficiently with the resources that we entrust to 

them. 

Part of our responsibility is ensuring that we have effective leaders in place to provide essential guidance. And to that end, our 

Committee must consider Administration nominees in both a thorough and a timely manner as part of the full Senate’s confirmation 

process. 

At the Department of Homeland Security alone, I believe there 

are 15 senior leadership positions that are or will be vacant in the 

very near future. At least six of these positions require Senate confirmation. I call this phenomenom ‘‘Executive Branch Swiss 

Cheese.’’ 

Congressman Jason Chaffetz, a Republican colleague from Utah 

who sits on the House Homeland Security Committee, recently put 

the leadership predicament at the Department of Homeland Security this way, here is what he said: ‘‘It is one of the biggest agencies that we have, and it has one of the lowest levels of morale on 

record, based on the surveys. And when you have vacancies at the 

top, you have this vacuum that is unfulfilled, and there is a total 

lack of leadership.’’ 

He has a point. In 6 weeks, we face the prospect of a Department 

of Homeland Security led by an Acting Secretary and an Acting 

Deputy Secretary. The issues this Department deals with every 

day, including the days ahead, are daunting: the threat of terrorist 

attacks, cyber attacks on a 24/7 basis, border security, immigration 

reform, and the list goes on. 

This Department has needed and will continue to need strong 

leadership. Janet Napolitano and former Deputy Secretary Jane 

Holl Lute have provided that for the past 4 years. Jane has already 

left, and Secretary Napolitano will be gone by early September. All 

of us must feel a sense of urgency to ensure that we have the leadership that this Department needs in place, and soon. 

Having a confirmed Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security will 

help fill this leadership vacuum. It is critical then, that we carry 

out our constitutional responsibility to provide ‘‘advice and consent.’’ 

Although our nominee is currently the Director of the agency 

that manages the largest immigration system in the world, as Sen-
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1Letters of support for Mr. Mayorkas appears in the Appendix on page 185. 

ator Landrieu has said, I am sure it comes as no surprise to him 

when I say the next Deputy Secretary will have some big shoes to 

fill. 

Former Deputy Secretary Jane Holl Lute was widely respected 

by this Committee on a bipartisan basis for her leadership, for her 

expertise, and for her candor. I think it is safe to say that the Department needs somebody with her same level of commitment to 

tackling problems head-on. 

In no small part due to her leadership and that of the Secretary, 

the Department today made great strides in many areas, for example, in narrowing the many operational and management issues 

identified as ‘‘high risk’’ by the Government Accountability Office 

(GAO). 

In my talks with Director Mayorkas, I believe he understands 

well these management challenges and is committed to continuing 

these efforts and to move the Department further forward. 

His leadership has earned the respect of several former Department of Homeland Security officials, including Jane Holl Lute, who 

said to me she would sit next to you if it would help today; Richard 

Skinner, Inspector General (IG); Elaine Duke, Under Secretary for 

Management; and Robert Bonner, Customs and Border Protection 

(CBP) Commissioner—all of whom have written strong letters of 

recommendation for Director Mayorkas, as have many other people. 

I will ask unanimous consent that these letters1 and many others 

we have received—including one from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce—be included in the hearing record. Without objection. 

I would also like to take a minute to review Mr. Mayorkas’ qualifications. The Senate has twice before found him qualified for Senate-confirmed positions, as Senator Feinstein has said. The Senate 

confirmed him by voice vote in 1999 to serve as U.S. Attorney for 

the Central District of California, the largest Federal judicial district in the Nation. It did so again in 2009 to serve as the Director 

of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. 

As Director of that agency, he has made national security a priority by taking on fraud head-on. He even created a new directorate for fraud detection and prevention. 

He was also responsible for turning around the agency’s ambitious ‘‘Transformation’’ project to create an electronic case management system. This system had previously been mired in cost overruns and scheduling delays. Now it is on a much sounder footing 

and is beginning to deliver new capabilities for users every few 

months. 

He was also in charge of standing up a massive new program: 

the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. Not everyone may 

agree on the merits of this program proposed by the President, but 

it is one I support, and I know many of my colleagues do. But I 

think we can all agree on this: That getting it up and running in 

a very short time—60 days to be exact—is an amazing accomplishment. 

Of course, with the immigration debate in Congress still ongoing, 

Director Mayorkas’ expertise would be extremely helpful in leading 
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this Department that would be charged with implementing comprehensive immigration reform. This is where the rubber will hit 

the road. But there are also some questions that have recently been 

raised about Director Mayorkas’ qualifications. 

Over the last 72 hours, we have learned, albeit through some 

rather unusual circumstances, that Director Mayorkas is reportedly 

the subject of an ongoing DHS Inspector General investigation. 

News reports suggest that the investigation relates to a purported 

role he may have played in facilitating investor visas. 

At this point in time, we do not have all the facts. It is also my 

understanding that Director Mayorkas has not even been interviewed by the Office of Inspector General (OIG), despite the fact 

that this investigation began almost a year ago, in September 

2012. Furthermore, the Office of Inspector General apparently does 

not have any ‘‘preliminary findings’’ regarding Mr. Mayorkas, in 

contrast to earlier reports. In fact, the initial allegations have not 

been confirmed at this point in time, and the Office of Inspector 

General has found no wrongdoing by Mr. Mayorkas. 

I might also say the same Inspector General’s Office has not had 

a Senate-confirmed leader for over 2 years. They have had a series 

of Acting Directors, one of whom is under investigation himself, I 

think by a Member of this Committee. 

And, last, before this highly sensitive information was disseminated in a rather remarkable manner on Monday night, the Office 

of Inspector General had not informed Mr. Mayorkas of its investigation. 

So rather than allowing rumor, speculation, and innuendo to rule 

the day, this hearing will allow us to continue the process of vetting this nominee. 

I recognize that our Republican colleagues, in a letter sent to me 

yesterday, would like me to hold all action—including even a hearing—on Mr. Mayorkas’ nomination until the Inspector General has 

concluded his investigation. I respectfully disagree. 

First, a hearing provides an appropriate setting for Members of 

our Committee to ask questions of the nominee and to get answers 

in public and under oath. This type of open forum where Members 

ask questions and the nominee is given the opportunity to respond 

should be encouraged, not stifled. 

Second, in talking with the Office of Inspector General, we know 

it is months away from completing its investigation. And given that 

this office is confronting its own set of challenges and controversies, 

as I suggested, it appears highly likely that this investigation will 

not be concluded in a timely manner. 

I believe it would actually be irresponsible to leave the Department of Homeland Security without a permanent Deputy Secretary 

and then with an Acting Secretary until this investigation is completed, especially given that, on September 7, our friend Janet 

Napolitano will be off to serve in her new responsibilities heading 

up the University of California education system. 

How can we honestly expect the Department of Homeland Security to effectively and efficiently carry out its mission, the kinds of 

missions that I talked about earlier, without strong and stable 

leadership? 
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Given the qualifications of this nominee—you heard about him 

from Senator Feinstein at length and from Senator Landrieu as 

well—I believe it is important for us to proceed with the nomination hearing today. In doing so, we will be practicing one of my core 

values taught to me by my parents: To treat other people the way 

you want to be treated. I have met with Mr. Mayorkas on several 

occasions now, and at some length earlier this week again, and one 

of the questions that I asked him—I said, ‘‘I try to treat other people the way I want to be treated, and I put myself in your shoes, 

and if someone were questioning my integrity’’—we live our whole 

lives—Claire McCaskill, Heidi Heitkamp, Mary Landrieu, Dianne 

Feinstein, our colleagues, we live our whole lives trying to live lives 

of integrity. And to have them questioned by innuendo and being 

twisted in the wind for 6 weeks, I said, ‘‘Do we need that? ’’ We are 

trying to get people to come and serve in these positions. We cannot even get somebody through vetting to be the Inspector General 

for this Department because they do not want to go through the 

confirmation process. And he dropped out of the vetting process 

and said, ‘‘I do not want to bring my family from California to here. 

Why go through all that?’’ 

We need to move. At least we need to move and hold a hearing. 

And we are going to have that hearing today. 

At the end of the day, I am interested in nothing but the truth. 

I hope my colleagues on this Committee feel the same way. All 

nominees—and that includes Mr. Mayorkas—have an opportunity 

to address Members’ questions about the nominees’ experiences 

and qualifications for a position—both in public and in private. We 

have seized this opportunity to speak with Mr. Mayorkas privately 

several times in regards to his qualifications. I believe he deserves 

at least to tell his story in public and under oath and to be questioned by all of us. I have taken the opportunity to review Mr. 

Mayorkas’ FBI file this week—not once but twice. I asked to look 

at it again to see if maybe I had missed something. But nothing 

in my conversations with Mr. Mayorkas or in my review of his FBI 

file has convinced me that he should not at least have the opportunity to be heard in a hearing. 

And when we talked—I would say to my colleagues, when we 

spoke with him earlier this week, I asked him, ‘‘Do you want to go 

forward with this? Do you want to go forward with this and subject 

yourself to this kind of hearing and this kind of grilling in public 

under oath?’’ And he said, ‘‘I am eager to appear.’’ 

And so we are going to make that possible for you. We are delighted that you are here. We welcome your brothers James and 

Anthony. We are glad you guys are here. I understand you have 

some daughters and a wife somewhere else, and we are sorry that 

they are not here with us, but we are happy that you are. 

And so with that having been said, I am going to introduce our 

witness. We are going to swear him in, and then we are going to 

hear from him and ask some questions. 

Alejandro Mayorkas has filed responses to a biographical and financial questionnaire, answering pre-hearing questions submitted 

by this Committee, and had his financial statements reviewed by 

the Office of Government Ethics. Without objection, this information will be made part of the hearing record with the exception of 
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1The prepared statement of Mr. Mayorkas appears in the Appendix on page 41. 

the financial data, which is on file and available for public inspection in the Committee’s offices. 

Now, as you may know, our Committee rules require that all witnesses at nomination hearings are asked to give their testimony 

under oath, and I am going to ask you to join me in standing, Mr. 

Mayorkas, and to raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give the Committee is the truth, the whole 

truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I do. 

Chairman CARPER. Please be seated. 

I am going to ask you to go ahead and proceed with your statement. Feel free to introduce your family or any other guests that 

are here with you today. And then I am going to ask you three perfunctory questions that we ask of all witnesses, and then we will 

open the questioning up for our Committee. Please proceed. Welcome. 

TESTIMONY OF HON. ALEJANDRO N. MAYORKAS,1 TO BE DEPUTY SECRETARY, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, distinguished Members of the Committee, I am deeply honored by the 

President’s nomination and the opportunity to appear before you 

today. 

I am deeply honored by Senator Feinstein’s introductory remarks, by those of Senator Landrieu, and those of yourself, Mr. 

Chairman. 

In my professional life, I have had the privilege of serving our 

country for nearly 16 years. My love of our country and my drive 

to serve it are grounded in my family history and upbringing. My 

parents brought my sister and me to this country as political refugees in 1960, having escaped the communist takeover of Cuba. Our 

parents instilled in their children a deep and everlasting appreciation for the freedoms and liberties that define our country and an 

abiding respect for its laws. Our Nation, they taught us, is like no 

other, and its qualities are never to be taken for granted but instead cherished and protected. 

Mr. Chairman, distinguished Members of the Committee, my 

beautiful wife and our two beautiful young daughters are on a vacation with our daughters’ grandmother. We thought it important 

that they carry through with those long ago planned travels because, quite frankly, there may not be very many more of them. 

Far less beautiful but no less loved, my two brothers are 

here—— [Laughter.] 

In their stead, and I am deeply grateful. 

Chairman CARPER. It looks like they have your back. Probably 

always have, my guess is. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I am deeply grateful that—— 

Chairman CARPER. Happy to see you guys here. Welcome. 

Mr. MAYORKAS [continuing]. They traveled across the country to 

be here: My brother James and my brother Anthony. 
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I have served our country for nearly 12 years as a Federal prosecutor in the United States Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California. Each and every day, day and night and most 

often 7 days a week, I enforced the laws of this land, and I did so 

aggressively and with distinction. I did so first as an Assistant 

United States Attorney (AUSA), and then as a Senate-confirmed 

United States Attorney. It was an incredible honor for me to stand 

in a court of law with law enforcement at my side as together we 

prosecuted the laws of this land and I announced to the judge and 

to the jury, ‘‘Alejandro Mayorkas on behalf of the United States of 

America.’’ 

For nearly the past 4 years, I have had the privilege of serving 

as the Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, an 

agency within the Department of Homeland Security whose workforce and reach span the globe as we administer the largest immigration system in the world. With an incredibly talented and dedicated workforce, some of whom are here today, for which I am also 

grateful, we have prioritized and strengthened our agency’s national security safeguards and more vigorously combated fraud to 

protect the integrity of the system of which we are guardians. 

Mr. Chairman, distinguished Members of the Committee, my 

parents not only instilled in us a deep and everlasting appreciation 

for the freedoms and liberties that define our country and an abiding respect for its law, my parents also taught us what it means 

to live a principled life, a life grounded in values, ethics, honor, and 

integrity. Their teachings, advice, lectures, admonitions, and support were strong but not more powerful than the lesson of example. 

They conducted themselves as I aspire to lead my life. As this Committee considers whatever I have accomplished, please understand 

that it is a glimpse into the character of my parents. 

I look forward to your questions. I am eager to answer them, and 

I am honored to be before you. Thank you again for the privilege. 

Chairman CARPER. Thanks for being here today. Thanks for your 

service, and thank you for your willingness to testify and respond 

to our questions and serve if confirmed. 

I am going to delay my questioning and turn to former Attorney 

General, now Senator Heidi Heitkamp from North Dakota. Senator 

Heitkamp. 

Senator HEITKAMP. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have to tell you, 

Director—— 

Chairman CARPER. Could you hold for just a second? I apologize. 

I am supposed to ask these three perfunctory questions that we ask 

of all witnesses, and then I will yield back to you. 

The first question is, again, the standard question we ask of all 

nominees. You have been asked these questions before in this hearing room. Is there anything you are aware of in your background 

that might present a conflict of interest with the duties of the office 

to which you have been nominated? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. No. 

Chairman CARPER. OK. Do you know of anything, personal or 

otherwise, that would in any way prevent you from fully and honorably discharging the responsibilities of the office to which you 

have been nominated? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. No. 
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Chairman CARPER. And, finally, do you agree without reservation 

to respond to any reasonable summons to appear and testify before 

any duly constituted Committee of Congress if you are confirmed? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Yes. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you very much. 

I apologize, Senator Heitkamp. You are recognized. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR HEITKAMP 

Senator HEITKAMP. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman, and 

thank you for conducting this hearing. 

As a preliminary matter, I want to express to the Chairman how 

much I agree with his comments this morning and with his concern 

about a process that seems to get short-circuited by rumors and by 

innuendo and the lack of credible evidence. 

And I want to tell you, Director, how much I enjoyed meeting you 

in my office as we kind of relayed some of the concerns I have, 

homeland security concerns I have for my State, and understanding that your commitment to law enforcement, your commitment and your support by people you have worked with, which 

means the world to me, that cops like you and law enforcement 

likes you, because you are willing to do the tough work of taking 

tough cases to trial and representing the United States of America 

in cases that maybe other people might duck on. And so I really 

appreciated hearing that history about you. I really appreciate having the chance to meet with you. And hopefully if everything comes 

to fruition the way we think it will, I look forward to the opportunity of bringing you to North Dakota and introducing you to the 

unique challenges we have on the Northern Border and the unique 

challenges that we have in law enforcement in a booming economy. 

I had to decide this morning whether we are going to have the 

discussion that I thought we were going to have before all of this 

came to light or whether we were going to have the discussion that 

I think we should have that will help hopefully maybe clear the air 

and give you an opportunity to respond, because at this point it is 

hard from a witness’ standpoint or from your standpoint to really 

have an opportunity to respond to what can only be an enormously 

frustrating situation for you and your family. And so I am going 

to jump right in, I have decided. 

In this situation with Gulf Coast Fund Management where you 

had multiple requests to intervene in the regular process, what 

structures, rules, or practices did you put in place to ensure that 

no ethics or rules were violated during your tenure? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Senator, and it was a 

pleasure to meet you as well, and it would be an honor to be confirmed for this position and to have the opportunity to travel with 

you to your State and explore the challenges that the Northern 

Border faces in ensuring its security. 

Senator, if I can, the issues, difficult issues, complex issues, novel 

issues, of law and policy that challenge the agency and that 

present opportunities for resolution percolate up through the 

supervisorial chain to me when they need resolution and when they 

have broad application. 

The manner in which those cases reach me—those issues reach 

me is through cases. We are an operation. We are a large agency. 
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We protect our Nation’s security. We combat fraud, and we assess 

the eligibility of applicants who come before us through applications and petitions through the cases that they present to us. 

I become involved in those complex, difficult, legal policy issues 

when they are raised to my attention by my colleagues which very 

often occurs, by Members of Congress, which very often occurs, by 

news accounts, by members of the public, or by applicants or petitioners themselves. 

We defer to adjudicators on the front line to adjudicate cases. I 

do not adjudicate cases. I address legal/policy issues that are 

brought to my attention through the channels that I have outlined. 

Senator HEITKAMP. What types of verbal orders or requests did 

you make to your staff on this issue that would not be captured by 

e-mail or in any other written record? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Are you speaking, Senator, with respect to the 

Gulf Coast matter? 

Senator HEITKAMP. Gulf Coast, correct. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I made no orders in these cases. What I did was 

sit around the table with my colleagues, as is consistently my practice when indeed difficult legal or policy issues rise to my level. I 

sat around with my colleagues, and we discussed and resolved 

those issues. 

Senator HEITKAMP. So there would have been some verbal communications beyond e-mails and written correspondence? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Most certainly. We have set up structures, which 

responds to this question and your prior one, to resolve difficult or 

legal issues. Sometimes we are able to resolve the issues with the 

colleagues who are handling the matter directly. Sometimes different people have to be involved in the discussion and bring their 

relevant expertise to bear. We have set up senior policy committees. We have set up leadership meetings, and we have set up open 

and collaborative forums to resolve those issues. I do not resolve 

those issues alone. 

Senator HEITKAMP. Director, would there have been a scheduling 

note of who would have attended those discussions in your office? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. There very well might be. Certainly there were 

a number of people around the table when we discussed the issues. 

Senator HEITKAMP. I believe it is safe to say that the EB–5 visa 

program has some challenges attached to it through its very nature. 

What added responsibility does an agency leader have when 

dealing with the program that can be considered controversial just 

as a result of the way the program is structured? And what responsibility does he or she have to ensure that their orders are clear 

and the staff understands the potential pitfalls? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. If I may, Senator—and I appreciate the question 

very much—let me speak to my responsibility, and then let me 

speak about the EB–5 program about which you have inquired. 

It is my responsibility to ensure that we administer our responsibilities, our adjudicative responsibilities, our responsibilities to 

safeguard our Nation’s security, our responsibilities to protect the 

integrity of the system, that we do so in strict accordance with the 

law and based on the law and the facts and nothing else, that our 

decisions are correct, that they are consistent, they adhere to the 
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highest ideals of public service, and that they are correct. And that 

is how I have carried out my responsibilities. 

The EB–5 program is indeed controversial, and it is extraordinarily complex. It is like no other program that we administer. 

Quite frankly, it is a program that is primarily a business and economic program and not so much an immigration program. 

What is involved in the case is an assessment whether foreign 

capital is invested properly in a new commercial enterprise, whether the requisite amount of capital is at risk throughout the term 

of the investment, whether the business enterprise that is proposed 

is specifically detailed and viable, and whether the econometric 

models that are submitted to us to estimate future job creation are 

sound and reasonable. Those are some of the issues that are involved in the adjudication of the EB–5 program. And, quite frankly, 

when I arrived as the Director of this agency to U.S. Citizenship 

and Immigration Services, I observed that the program was staffed 

with nine adjudicators, no economists, no business analysts, and no 

specialists in national security and fraud detection. And throughout 

my tenure, we have built that program. We have brought economists to bear, we have brought business expertise, and we have 

brought individuals dedicated to ensuring the integrity of the program as the program has grown throughout the years. 

Senator HEITKAMP. I am out of time. 

Chairman CARPER. Thanks, Senator Heitkamp. There will be a 

second round of questions if you are able to stay. Senator 

McCaskill. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MCCASKILL 

Senator MCCASKILL. I know from your record you are a former 

prosecutor, and although I have to confess that I am what I like 

to affectionately call a ‘‘911 prosecutor,’’ I did not have the luxury 

that some of my Federal colleagues had of kind of being able to sit 

around and decide what cases to take, so I always had this little 

yin-yang with all the Federal prosecutors, because, of course, as 

you well know, in the system we thought we were the real prosecutors and you guys were not. 

Having said that, I know that you were moved up to U.S. Attorney from an Assistant USA, which is extraordinarily unusual and 

speaks highly of your leadership capability and your capabilities as 

a prosecutor. 

So as a prosecutor, I am just going to be really candid with you. 

These things that are floating out there, they may be rumors, they 

may be innuendo, this may be just political. But you have to do a 

rebuttal here, and I do not think you can talk around it, and I 

want to give you the opportunity to say what you want to say 

about what is being said about you because you are not going to 

get another opportunity like this, and this thing is going to swirl 

and there are going to be recriminations, and it is going to be a 

political brouhaha. And, I respect IGs tremendously, although I 

will admit this IG office is troubled, for a lot of reasons. But why 

don’t you take a few minutes here and say what you would want 

us to know about the accusation that is being made about you, that 

you tried to inappropriately use your position to influence the out-
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come of a matter because of who was interested in the outcome of 

the matter. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, thank you very much for the opportunity, and let me share with you, if I may, that I very often felt 

like a 911 prosecutor. [Laughter.] 

Senator MCCASKILL. I am sure you did. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, it was Monday evening when I was forwarded a copy of the e-mail that was published to this Committee 

about an apparent Inspector General investigation of which I reportedly am a subject. I had no idea of the existence of that investigation, and, quite frankly, I still do not understand it. 

I will say this, and I say it firmly, and I say it unequivocally, and 

I say it after 16 years of service to this country, 12 of which were 

as a law enforcement official: I have never, ever in my career exercised undue influence to influence the outcome of a case. I have 

never based my decisions on who brings a case but, rather, upon 

the facts and the law. I have taken in my life oaths of office, and 

each and every day—morning, day, and night—I have lived by 

those oaths. 

And, Senator, I referred to it on a personal matter, on a personal 

level in my opening statement. My entire life I have tried to live 

in a way and I have aspired to live in a way that brings honor to 

my parents, and there has never been an instance in which I have 

failed to do so in terms of the integrity with which I have brought 

my efforts to bear on everything I have done, whether in the private sector or the public sector. 

I look forward to learning about the allegations, because I still 

do not quite understand them, but I will tell you that the allegations as they have been framed are unequivocally false. 

The Gulf Coast matter is a matter about which we received complaints in 2011. Issues in that case rose to my attention because, 

as I referred to earlier, the EB–5 program is complex; it presents 

novel legal and policy issues. And a few issues were brought to my 

attention, and I addressed them with my colleagues around the 

table. 

Chairman CARPER. Mr. Mayorkas, normally I do not jump in 

here, and I am not going to take away your time at all, but I just 

think it might be helpful for us to have a basic understanding of 

the EB–5 program. 

Senator MCCASKILL. Sure. 

Chairman CARPER. And then we will—the clock is not going to 

run—— 

Senator MCCASKILL. You can use my time for that. That is an 

important part of—— 

Chairman CARPER. I would like to hear just a good, basic—my 

understanding is you did not create this program. You did not ask 

it to be included in your area. It was not created in this Administration. In fact, it was not created in this century. I think it was 

created in maybe 1992 when we were struggling to try to come out 

of a recession. 

Senator MCCASKILL. You mean this decade, not this century. 

Chairman CARPER. It was not created in this century. It was not 

created in this decade. But it was created in 1992. And I think it 

was created during the Administration of George Herbert Walker 
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Bush. And what they were trying to do, if I am not mistaken, at 

that time is try to figure how do we get our economy moving. And 

one of the ways to get our economy moving is to have access to capital. In this case, how do we attract foreign capital to investments 

in this country which put people to work. 

But I just want you to take a few minutes and give us—I will 

call it ‘‘EB–5 101,’’ and then I am going to go back to Senator 

McCaskill. I think that would just be helpful. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am very 

eager to complete my response to Senator McCaskill’s question. 

The EB–5 program has as its basis job creation. It is premised 

on the belief that individuals who are in foreign countries were 

willing to invest their capital in commercial enterprises in the 

United States, and when those investments yield jobs for U.S. 

workers, that the foreign investors have an opportunity to gain 

lawful permanent resident status in the United States. That is, at 

the very top level, the issue. 

Chairman CARPER. And not citizenship. What is it, a green card? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. They first receive a conditional green card. Then 

after 2 years, if the jobs have been created, the requisite number 

of jobs, ten jobs specifically have been created or are likely to be 

created within a reasonable period of time, an undefined term— 

which gives you an idea of the issues with which we wrestle in our 

administration of this program. But if those jobs are created or are 

likely to be created within a reasonable period of time, the conditions of lawful permanent resident status are removed. The foreign 

individual is a lawful permanent resident and, therefore, eligible 

for citizenship after a number of years, provided that they qualify 

for the eligibility requirements of naturalization. 

Chairman CARPER. All right. Continue, please. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. So, apparently, Senator McCaskill, the allegation 

is somehow that, by sitting around the table and resolving a couple 

of difficult issues that were unsettled in our agency in the administration of the EB–5 program, I exercised undue influence. I did 

nothing that I have not done hundreds and hundreds of times 

when difficult issues reach my attention and the agency needs resolution of them. 

It is interesting to note, I think it is noteworthy, that—because 

really what I think I summarized the allegations to be, that somehow a favorite treatment was afforded Gulf Coast. Well, the complaints rose throughout the agency in 2011. Noteworthy is the fact 

that the complaints persisted in 2012, and they continue to this 

day. 

Also noteworthy—— 

Senator MCCASKILL. You mean, complaints from this—— 

Chairman CARPER. I am sorry. What kind of—— 

Senator MCCASKILL. What complaints are you referencing specifically? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Complaints about delays, complaints about the 

failure of the agency to adjudicate the case. 

Senator MCCASKILL. On this particular case? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. On this particular case. The complaints persist. 

Senator MCCASKILL. So it has not been resolved? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I do not know the status of the cases. 
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Senator MCCASKILL. OK. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I addressed discrete legal—— 

Senator MCCASKILL. So the folks that they are alleging that you 

tried to help are still not happy, is what you are saying. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. The last time I heard, in 2013 they were not. 

Senator MCCASKILL. OK. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I do not know the status of the cases. 

Senator MCCASKILL. OK. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. And, notably, when a report was published with 

respect to raising a question with respect to the integrity of this 

business enterprise, as I do in all circumstances, drawing upon my 

many years as a Federal prosecutor, drawing upon my 

prioritization of national security and fraud detection in the agency, and my execution of those priorities, as soon as I learned of a 

concern with respect to this matter from that perspective, I referred the case to the Fraud Detection and National Security Directorate. 

Senator MCCASKILL. I think my time is up, and I appreciate your 

many years, and I was teasing you about not being a real 911 prosecutor. I want to make sure you know that. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I understood. Thank you. 

Senator MCCASKILL. Like you were teasing about your brothers 

not being as beautiful as your wife. [Laughter.] 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, may that be the only time we disagree. 

[Laughter.] 

Senator MCCASKILL. I have a feeling there will be many other 

times we will disagree, but it will be on matters of finance, contracting, and audit. So thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you, Senator McCaskill. 

Let me followup on her question just to say, what were the difficult issues you alluded to in the Gulf Coast matter that you personally addressed? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. If I can give you the one that I recall specifically, 

and why I recall it specifically, Senator, is when I get involved in 

complex legal and policy issues or novel questions before us, what 

we seek to do is resolve them for the benefit of the agency as a 

whole and so that they have broader applicability. And the one 

complex issue that I remember so clearly is because we actually 

memorialized the resolution of that difficult issue in a new EB–5 

policy memorandum that we published publicly and throughout the 

agency as guidance to our adjudicators in May of this year. And the 

resolution of that case, of course, showed up in prior drafts of the 

final memorandum that we just published. 

The issue is this: There is an administrative appeals decision 

published by our agency called ‘‘In the Matter of Izummi,’’ and one 

of the—— 

Chairman CARPER. In the matter of what? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Izummi. I believe it is I–Z–U–M–M–I or it could 

be I–Z–Z–U–M–N–I. 

Chairman CARPER. That must be an acronym. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. It is not. 

Chairman CARPER. OK. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. And one of the requirements in the EB–5 program, just to reflect its complexity again, is that the foreign inves-
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tor’s capital must be at risk throughout the term of the investment. 

‘‘In the Matter of Izummi’’ stands for the proposition that the existence of a redemption agreement in the transaction documents militate against the foreign investor’s capital being at risk. In other 

words, if you can redeem your investment during the duration of 

the relevant time period, your capital is not at risk and, therefore, 

you do not satisfy the legal requirement. 

And the issue that the Gulf Coast case presented to my attention 

was the following: Is it the mere existence of a redemption agreement that disqualifies the individual from satisfying the legal requirement that the capital be at risk? Or is it a question of looking 

at the terms of the redemption agreement and whether the terms 

militate against the requirement that the capital be at risk? 

And in this case, to the best of my recollection, the individual investor, according to the deal documents, could convert his or her 

common shares to preferred shares, or vice versa, preferred shares 

to common shares—I do not recall. But the deal documents provided, the redemption agreement provided that there was not at 

the time a market for either the common shares or the preferred 

shares, nor may there ever be a market for those shares. 

And so the conclusion was reached around the table that, quite 

frankly, and as a matter of law, in the interpretation of the deal 

document, the redemption agreement, the capital remained at risk 

because there may not ever be a market for that capital and, therefore, the redemption may never be realized. 

That is an example of a difficult issue that can rise to my attention, and when we resolve it, what we do is we can provide guidance to our adjudicators so that they can adjudicate cases in strict 

adherence to the law more ably. 

The absolute core principle of our agency is that we adjudicate 

cases based on the facts and the law, and that is all. 

Chairman CARPER. When I first learned about the EB–5 program—I had heard about, but I will be honest with you, I did not 

know much about it until this month. And I have learned a bit and 

am still learning. But it seemed to me when I learned about it, I 

said this is a strange program to be located in this agency, the 

agency that you lead. It seems you would need people who have 

skills in economic development, entrepreneurship, innovation, who 

can realize that this is actually an idea somebody is willing to invest some money in from overseas. 

We have to have somebody who can look at this and say, ‘‘Does 

this actually make any sense? Is this something that actually 

brings value?’’ 

Would you just respond to that thought? And how do you make 

sure that you have the kind of people in your agency, not traditional immigration employees, but how do you make sure you have 

the kind of talent in your agency to help make the right judgments, 

the judgment calls? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for the 

question. I would like to answer it in a couple parts, if I may. 

We receive more complaints about our Administration of the EB– 

5 program than we do in any other area of our work. 

Chairman CARPER. Is that right? 
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Mr. MAYORKAS. Yes. We receive complaints from the public, we 

receive complaints from applicants and petitioners, and we receive 

complaints from Members of Congress and from both parties. 

Chairman CARPER. So this is bipartisan. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Oh, it is absolutely bipartisan, and there is probably not a week that goes by that I do not receive complaints from 

Members of Congress with respect to our Administration of the program. And, quite frankly, there have been a number of EB–5 program issues that have been raised to my attention from Members 

of Congress that I have addressed with my colleagues, and I recall 

that the Members’ concerns were actually valid and we were able 

to resolve those around the table. 

Chairman CARPER. Were there ever instances where maybe the 

Members’ concerns were not as valid? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Most certainly, and we respond to the concerns 

not by who is the author of the concern but, rather, by what the 

facts and the law demand. That is our principle. 

EB–5 cases have been brought to my attention from within the 

agency. The Administrative Appeals Office brought an EB–5 case 

to my attention because we were terminating an EB–5 regional 

center for the first time, and we wanted to make sure that our decision was correct because the stakes are high and that the decision was well reasoned and well written. And so my office became 

involved there. 

As I mentioned, the EB–5 program really requires expert economic analysis and a clear and sophisticated understanding of 

business proposals and the myriad of legal and policy issues that 

those arenas raise. 

When I first came to the agency, I actually reached out to partners in the Federal Government when I learned about the EB–5 

program, and I posited to them that they needed to become involved as partners with us because they had the expertise to bring 

to bear. The Department of Commerce would be one example, and 

our discussions with other government agencies in sharing responsibility for the Administration of the EB–5 program are ongoing. 

In the interim, I have not stood still. I do not stand still when 

progress is needed. Progress is an obligation of ours to achieve. 

And what I did was I introduced economists to the EB–5 program. 

I brought them on board. We expanded the pool of adjudicators. I 

do not think that we did right for many years in support of our adjudicators because we put them in charge of cases and did not 

equip them with the tools to address those cases as I think they 

would most want, because they strive for excellence. 

I brought economic expertise, I brought business expertise, and 

I brought fraud detection and national security expertise to bear. 

Those efforts have been evolving, and most recently we decided to 

create a new EB–5 program. Embedded in it will be fraud detection 

and national security personnel and a greater level of economic and 

business expertise. 

Chairman CARPER. One last question, and then I will yield back 

to Senator Heitkamp. Just to followup on this, in reviewing your 

FBI file, there was a reference to several employees who asserted 

that you had retaliated against them. I think they are maybe out 

in the California office. And in the report that I read, it said it was 
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fully investigated and it was not viewed to be a matter of retaliation. 

Do you have any recollection of that? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I most certainly do. 

Chairman CARPER. Now, can you just put a little bit of light on 

that, please? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. The Office of Special Counsel determined that 

there were no facts to support the allegations. 

Chairman CARPER. All right. Good. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, let me, if—— 

Chairman CARPER. Go ahead. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Personnel decisions are very difficult to make. 

They are singularly the most taxing aspects of jobs when one has 

supervisorial responsibilities. One has to act in the best interests 

of the agency. Personnel moves are not necessarily disparagement, 

criticism of job performed or anything critical. But as a supervisor, 

as a manager, as a leader, one has to fit the needs of the agency 

with the talents of the people most ably. My commitment is to the 

agency as a whole as its Director, and my commitment is to the 

laws that we are sworn to uphold. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you. Senator Heitkamp. 

Senator HEITKAMP. Mr. Chairman, I would like just for a moment to talk about becoming Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security, if that is possible. And I just really have one question, and 

that is, we are deeply concerned about the morale of the Department of Homeland Security, and I know that we have had these 

discussions before. But if you are, in fact, confirmed as the Deputy, 

what will you do to improve morale within the agency? And what 

steps would you take to bring, I think, more cohesion to the group? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Senator. I have been honored and continue to be honored to work with the men and women 

of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services and the Department 

of Homeland Security, of which our agency is a part. We have an 

incredibly talented and dedicated workforce, a workforce that is 

deeply committed to the mission of the Department and that loves 

its mission. 

It would be my responsibility, should I have the honor of being 

confirmed, to ensure that our workforce has the tools that they require to perform their work at the very highest levels of excellence 

to which they aspire, that they feel fully engaged in the execution 

of the mission, that they feel fully supported, that they are trained, 

that they are provided with transparent and open and fair processes. I will engage with the workforce, and I would, if confirmed, 

engage with this Committee and focusing to ensure that the morale 

of each and every individual within the Department is as high as 

it should be when one considers the talent of the people and the 

nobility of the mission. 

Senator HEITKAMP. When you talk about the tools, because we 

all know that what can affect morale is the lack of ability to do 

your job, knowing your job but not having the tools, what additional tools do you see as essential to the work of the Department 

of Homeland Security? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, thank you. Let me, if I can, draw upon 

my experience at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services be-
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cause I have spent a great deal of energy and focus on the wellbeing of our workforce. 

The workforce in USCIS has asked for more training. Our immigration law and policy is ever evolving. New decisions are issued, 

new challenges arise, and they have asked for enhanced training, 

and we have delivered. 

They have asked for opportunities for growth, for professional development, and we at USCIS have delivered professional development programs, details for employees to be exposed to different 

parts of the agency to grow. 

Managers have asked for training on how to manage, how to 

manage people, how to lead people. Very often we pick managers 

who are experts in the subject matter at issue but not necessarily 

expertly trained in how to bring out the best in people, how to assist people when they have challenges and how to promote people 

when they have successes. 

Those are some examples of tools that a workforce requests and 

a workforce deserves. 

Senator HEITKAMP. Just one final point. As you have disparaged 

the appearance of your brothers, we just want to point out that 

some might suggest that they are better looking than you are. 

[Laughter.] 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, they have not gone through three confirmation hearings. [Laughter.] 

Chairman CARPER. I would just acknowledge that you may have 

lost some of your hair. You have not lost your sense of humor. So 

that is good. 

We have been joined by Senator Tester from Montana. Senator 

Tester, the floor is yours. Welcome. Thanks for coming. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR TESTER 

Senator TESTER. Thanks. I am sorry I was late. 

Chairman CARPER. We are glad you are here. 

Senator TESTER. Do not take Senator Heitkamp’s remarks to 

heart because she always talks about me being ugly, too. So—no, 

just kidding. 

First of all, thanks for being here, and as we talked in my office, 

I appreciate your willingness to serve this country. We are in a situation where Janet Napolitano has stepped down, and so consequently there will be a leadership void within the Administration. 

If confirmed, how will you work with the Administration and 

Congress to make sure the Department is moving forward even 

though there are going to be so many positions of leadership missing at the Department? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Senator Tester, for the 

question. If I have the privilege of being confirmed as the Deputy 

Secretary, I would work with this Committee to ensure that the 

President’s nominees to fill the vacancies in the Department of 

Homeland Security are completed successfully, as swiftly as possible. And in the interim, Senator, I can say unequivocally that we 

have tremendous talent within the Department of Homeland Security to ensure that the mission of the Department is accomplished 
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successfully, effectively, and efficiently until those vacancies are 

filled. 

Senator TESTER. OK. I want to talk about visa overstays. As you 

know, 40 percent of the folks who are here improperly are because 

of visa overstays. It is a huge problem in processing, identifying, 

modifying, monitoring, or apprehending individuals who overstay 

their visas. 

From your perspective, is this an issue of inadequate manpower, 

inadequate focus, resources? Are there statutory obstacles in the 

road? It seems to me 40 percent is a little over the top. And so why 

is that? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Senator. Your question is 

a very important one. The Department of Homeland Security has 

made great strides in addressing the problem of visa overstays. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), one of the agencies primarily responsible for the enforcement area, has significantly improved in its battle to combat visa overstays. We have developed 

enhanced biographical data to ensure that we are aware of the individuals who have overstayed their visas. And what I will do immediately, Senator, is ensure that Immigration and Customs Enforcement reaches out to your office and informs you with great detail of the tremendous strides that they have made in addressing 

the visa overstay problem because they have done so in recent 

months. 

Senator TESTER. Well, I appreciate that, and I think that the immigration bill that recently passed the Senate went a long way in 

eliminating a lot of those visa overstays. And as a side comment, 

hopefully the House will take that up and not play politics with it, 

because it really is important for the country. 

Montana is home to seven American Indian reservations and a 

State-recognized Little Shell tribe. In the past, I have worked to 

ensure that DHS maintains a strong relationship with all of our 

tribal partners. 

From a personal perspective, do you have any experience working with tribal leaders, either in past roles as a U.S. Attorney, or 

in your current position? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you, Senator. I do. When I was a U.S. Attorney, I worked with tribal leaders to address some of the challenges that they had in the Central District of California with respect to enforcement issues on reservations as well as certain civil 

matters with respect to specifically California issues, legal issues, 

involving Indian gaming. 

I have worked extensively with tribal leaders during my tenures 

in the United States Attorney’s Office, and I take great pride in the 

collaboration and close working relationship that I was able to 

achieve with them. And, if confirmed, I would carry that collaborative teamwork approach to my duties as Deputy Secretary. 

Senator TESTER. Well, I appreciate that, and I may have some 

more questions for the record. I appreciate the Chairman at this 

late time allowing me to ask a few questions. 

I will go back and just say I wish you the best. We need good 

people in the Department of Homeland Security. We need people 

who can carry out this task, because it is a important one. Hope-
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fully, what has gone on here today will stop and we will get you 

confirmed and get you back to work. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Senator. It would be an 

honor. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you. Thank you, Jon. 

My staff has given me a little bit of information on the EB–5 program. I asked you earlier with tongue only partly in cheek to give 

us EB–5 101, and I think I said that my understanding was that 

the program was created in 1992 when we were in a recession. Actually, it was created in 1990 when we were just going into a recession, and there was some interest in trying to make sure it was 

short-lived. 

I think the program in 1993 was modified, and I think Congress 

added at that time something called the immigrant investor pilot 

program in order to encourage immigration investments through 

designated regional centers. Designated regional centers. I do not 

recall hearing much about designated regional centers in 1993. I 

had just become Governor of my State. But we have all heard of 

enterprise zones, and when I hear the designated regional center, 

I liken it to an enterprise zone. 

But just talk to us about designated regional centers. How do 

they work? And the kind of people that are actually responsible for 

trying to get them established and then collect funds to fund the 

entrepreneurial activities there? Just give us a little bit of discussion on that, please. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Senator. The regional center program is indeed a pilot program. The EB–5, that pilot program was reauthorized, I believe it was last year. I am not quite 

certain, but it was reauthorized. 

Chairman CARPER. As a matter of fact, my notes here say introduced in 2012, the word ‘‘pilot’’ was removed from the 20-year-old 

program, provided a 3-year reauthorization of the regional center 

model, legislation introduced by Senators Leahy and Grassley, cosponsored by a number of our colleagues, including Collins, Conrad, 

Hatch, Kohl, Lee, Rubio, and Schumer, adopted by unanimous consent. That was about a year ago. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, the regional center is an area of economic activity in which commercial enterprises can be developed 

into which foreign capital can be invested in the EB–5 program 

and the jobs can be created in that area of economic activity. 

The popularity of the regional center program has increased exponentially over the years, and over the last 4 years, for—— 

Chairman CARPER. Do you think it had something to do with the 

fact that we are in the worst recession since the Great Depression 

and we are looking for ways to create jobs and this was an effort 

to try to draw capital into job creation in this country? Do you 

think that is what is going on? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Senator, outside reports have concluded that indeed the EB–5 program and specifically the regional center program within it has grown exponentially over the last few years because capital has been difficult to raise in a challenging economy. 

There is a great deal of interest amongst individuals in other countries to immigrate to the United States, and those who can afford 

it find the EB–5 program to be a valuable means of doing so. 
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Chairman CARPER. So is the rationale here they are investors, 

entrepreneurs in other countries that have maybe good ideas, business ideas, they have some money, and we are looking for somebody who will invest capital here for job creation here rather than 

compete with those folks from another country? Is that—that is my 

understanding. Is that close to correct? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. That is. Mr. Chairman, specifically that individuals with the requisite amount of capital—it is either a minimum 

of $500,000 or a minimum of $1 million, depending on where the 

regional center is located, whether it is in a targeted employment 

area, an area of acutely high unemployment or otherwise. They will 

invest their capital, that requisite amount of capital in a regional 

center, and if U.S. jobs are created, they will have conditional lawful permanent resident status, as I outlined earlier, and if they 

qualify under the other eligibility requirements. 

Why the regional center has grown exponentially, as well as the 

economic factors that others have concluded as a causal link, is because when the investment is in a regional center as opposed to a 

new commercial enterprise outside of a regional center, the job creation can be computed to include not only direct job creation but 

indirect job creation—in other words, not necessarily just employees of the new commercial enterprise, but people—jobs that are created as a result of the new commercial enterprise. Suppliers to the 

new commercial enterprise would be a perfect example. If a supplier increases its workforce by virtue of the new commercial activity and jobs are created that are attributable to the regional center, 

then that job creation is attributable to the capital invested and 

counts to the job creation requirement. And this is where the complex economic methodologies, the econometric models to assess potential for job creation, come into play. And if one presented those 

to me, even though I practiced as a lawyer for many years, I would 

not know how to adjudicate them. They are extraordinarily complex. They fall within the purview of economic expertise, and that 

is why we have brought that expertise to bear. 

There is one very important additional point that I would like to 

make, and that is the following: That with growth in a program 

comes the potential for challenges to the program’s integrity. And 

we have, of course, seen cases where individuals have sought to 

make misrepresentations to us in order to avail themselves of the 

program for which they are not qualified or, worse yet, individuals 

who seek to avail themselves of entry into this country through the 

EB–5 program when they very well may pose a threat to this country. 

Chairman CARPER. What do you do about that kind of fraud? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Well, we have done a great deal, because this is 

our highest priority: to help secure our Nation and to protect the 

integrity of the system of which we are guardians. We have 

reached out to the law enforcement and intelligence communities, 

and we have developed stronger and closer working relationships. 

We have increased the staffing of our fraud detection and national 

security personnel. We are embedding them in the EB–5 program. 

We have reached out to the Securities and Exchange Commission 

(SEC) to make sure that the securities laws are upheld. 
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I reached out, based upon my relationships from my law enforcement days, to the highest levels of the SEC to make sure that they 

brought their enforcement efforts and their enforcement expertise 

to this very important area. We were substantial cooperators and 

partners in the first successful SEC enforcement action against an 

EB–5 program in Chicago, Illinois. 

Chairman CARPER. Give us some idea, how do these designated 

regional centers become created? What has to happen? Are there 

a lot of them? Are we talking about a few, a dozen, scores, hundreds? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I do not know the number of regional centers 

that exist currently. 

Chairman CARPER. Would it be more than a hundred? Less than 

a hundred? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I do not want to speculate, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman CARPER. OK. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. But I can certainly provide that information to 

the Committee. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you, if you would. 

How do they get created? What is the process? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. So from my understanding, because I sit as the 

Director and I do not get involved in seeing the actual applications 

and petitions, the business plans themselves, but people come up— 

develop business ideas for the development of commercial enterprises—— 

Chairman CARPER. ‘‘People’’ being American people, American 

business people? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. People here in the United States. 

Chairman CARPER. OK. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. And they develop business plans for the development of those enterprises, those commercial enterprises. And once 

those business plans and commercial enterprises are outlined and 

they have approval from us to proceed, they begin to attract investors. And, quite frankly, I do not know if they begin to attract investors before we approve them or not, but they develop their business plans. They begin to execute on their business plans. They 

present their business plans to us. And if we approve them as regional center designations, they proceed with the execution of their 

plans from there. 

Chairman CARPER. Knowing my colleagues and me, if I had 

somebody that wanted to create jobs in Delaware and they wanted 

to create one of these designated regional centers in order to increase employment opportunities in my State, I would probably be 

interested in seeing that succeed. You mentioned a number of my 

colleagues, Democrat and Republican—I do not think I have ever 

reached out to your office on this, but a number of our colleagues 

actually do call your office, and in some cases you, and say, ‘‘There 

is this effort to create employment activity in my State,’’ and they 

probably do not call just to say, ‘‘You all are doing a great job. Keep 

it up.’’ Maybe they do. But my guess is they probably call to raise 

concerns. 

Would you talk about the nature of the concerns that our colleagues might raise or a Governor might raise and the kind of concerns that might be raised by someone who is attempting to estab-
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lish one of these designated regional centers, like, ‘‘It is taking too 

long,’’ or, ‘‘I do not like your decision, you have not agreed to establish this center’’? Can you just share with us the nature of those 

conversations? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We received e-mails, 

calls, letters from Members of Congress of both parties with respect 

to the EB–5 program more often than weekly and more often than 

one a week, I assure you. And the interest, of course, is in the infusion of capital into a particular jurisdiction and the creation of jobs 

for U.S. workers in that jurisdiction, a need and a priority that is 

acutely held in times of economic challenge. 

The complaints vary widely. One that we most often hear is that 

we are taking too long. We have goals of approximately 6 months, 

but we do not meet that goal. Rarely do we, and sometimes the 

time period extends far longer, sometimes for very important and 

valid reasons, making sure we are right, according to the law and 

the facts, making sure that the integrity of the application is assured, making sure that there is not a threat to our security. We 

are being inconsistent in our adjudications. We are being untimely. 

We are not adhering to the law. We are not following our established policies. The complaints are very diverse. 

There was one very notable complaint that I recall because it accused us of being unfair, that we had made adjudicative decisions 

in a case and then subsequently we changed our mind. And the 

concern of the Member of Congress was that seemed to be inequitable, that investors and business developers had relied on our earlier decisions, and for us to change course midstream seemed inequitable. And I looked into that, consistent with the principles to 

which I referred at the outset of this hearing, when something 

speaks of a difficult legal or policy challenge that the agency confronts. 

And I looked into that matter around the table with my colleagues, and I agreed with the concern. And my colleagues asked 

me to get involved, to assist in the resolution of that matter, and 

I did. And what I did was I made—a decision that was going in 

the wrong direction, I made it right. I made it right in the spirit 

and the letter of the law and the policies that we are sworn to uphold. 

The temperature of the complaints that we receive are equally 

diverse as the nature of the complaints, and neither the temperature with which the complaint is made nor the author of the complaint are material to our decisionmaking. The decisionmaking is 

based on the law and the facts. And when I get involved in an issue 

like the EB–5 issue to which I just referred, like the EB–5 issue 

I described in the Gulf Coast matter, my guiding principle is no different than the guiding principle of the adjudicator and the guiding 

principle that I have articulated and emphasized throughout my 

tenure. We do what the law and the facts require, and nothing less 

and nothing otherwise. 

Chairman CARPER. All right. My understanding is that among 

the many people establishing or attempting to establish one of 

these designated regional centers was Terry McAuliffe, who was interested in bringing green card technology to the State of Virginia 

in one of these regional centers, ultimately ended up doing it, I 
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think, in the Gulf Coast States, and I think one of the reasons why 

Senator Landrieu was here is because apparently, as part of the 

economic development issues in her State, they are interested in 

creating a regional center—this is my understanding—and would 

like to encourage that kind of thing. 

But could you just share with us any communication you had 

with Mr. McAuliffe with respect to the effort to create one center 

in Virginia or maybe one on the Gulf Coast, any meetings you had 

with him, any telephone conversations that you recall? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I was 

asked to attend a meeting with Mr. McAuliffe so that I could hear 

in person his complaints. 

Chairman CARPER. And what year was that? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I do not quite recall. It was quite some—2 years 

ago? 

Chairman CARPER. All right. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Quite some time ago. And I heard those complaints, and that was the extent of the interaction. 

I should say that I engage with the public very often. I meet with 

associations, groups, individuals, representatives, and the like who 

voice concerns, who praise us when we do jobs well. One of my 

areas of focus on behalf of the agency as a whole is to increase and 

elevate the level of public engagement so that we are a transparent 

agency, transparent not only to the public that we serve but to the 

media whose responsibility it is in part to hold us accountable, and, 

of course, to this Committee, to the Committee of oversight to 

which we are held accountable. 

I heard Mr. McAuliffe’s complaints, and I moved on with my 

work. 

Chairman CARPER. Did you ever hear from him again after that 

meeting? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. I recall Mr. McAuliffe—— 

Chairman CARPER. Let me just back up. Did you come back to 

your agency and say, after the meeting with him and the other 

folks that were part of the meeting, let us do things differently, let 

us change what we are doing, let us change our course, I had this 

meeting? And how did you react once you got back to work? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. The answer to your question, Mr. Chairman, is 

absolutely not. I do remember returning to the office and complaining about the fact that I had to hear complaints. 

Chairman CARPER. All right. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. That is all. 

Chairman CARPER. And you are probably used to hearing complaints about this program. It sounds like there are a lot of them. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Yes. 

Chairman CARPER. From elected officials and from those who are 

not. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Yes. And my mantra to the workforce is the following: ‘‘Do not shrink from criticism. Just work very hard not to 

deserve it.’’ 

Chairman CARPER. OK. I think the basic question here is, for 

those who are suggesting that these unnamed sources and innuendo and anonymous assertions, is the question of whether you, if 

you will think of the scales of justice, if you have placed your hand 
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on the scales of justice, to somehow—whether it was in the case of 

the business case in the Gulf Coast or other places, whether you 

have placed your hand on the scales of justice to change a decision 

that is being made by the folks in your agency. Would you just respond to that on the record, please? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Mr. Chairman, for 12 years as a Federal prosecutor, I served as an officer of the court. I do not—I have not 

changed my approach to the execution of my responsibilities. I continue to hold myself up as an officer of the court. I enforce the law. 

I enforce the law based on the facts. I do not put my finger on the 

scale of justice. The scale of justice is based on the facts and the 

law, and nothing else. 

And I should say that Gulf Coast complained in 2011, they complained in 2012, and they continue to complain in 2013. And we 

will follow the law and administer the law based on the principles 

which I articulated and nothing less and nothing otherwise. And I 

will say for someone to be accused of tipping the scales and in 2013 

referring the matter to the Fraud Detection and National Security 

Directorate for appropriate action based upon a question of the 

project’s integrity seems a bit contradictory. 

Chairman CARPER. Yes, it does. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. It is very difficult to have allegations swirling 

and not have had an opportunity to address them. And I am eager 

to be interviewed by the Inspector General’s Office, and I wish I 

had been interviewed earlier. 

Chairman CARPER. I wish we had an Inspector General confirmed by the Senate in place to do that in this Department. Two 

years have passed since we have had that. 

One last question. The vote has started, so I will ask maybe one 

last quick question before we close and then give you a short opportunity to make a closing statement of your own. 

In my old role as Governor, every month I would meet with my 

legal counsel, and we would go over requests for pardons, requests 

for commutations, and my legal counsel would make recommendations. We would go through the case. I used to serve on the Board 

of Pardons when I was State treasurer. And from time to time, my 

staff would reach out to other people and ask them questions, this 

person is coming before the Governor, recommended for a pardon 

or commutation by the Board of Pardons, and we would ask for 

input. 

One of my colleagues I think raised with you a question about 

a pardon that was being considered by President Clinton near the 

time that he left office. As we all know, when Presidents are about 

to leave office, there is kind of a rush to see if we cannot get a 

President to issue a pardon or a commutation. And our understanding from one of my colleagues is that someone reached out to 

you from the Clinton White House and asked a question about a 

particular case. Can you just share that with us and share with us 

the nature of that discussion, that conversation? 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Yes, Mr. Chairman—— 

Chairman CARPER. I just want to get it clear. I think you responded to this before. I will ask you to respond to it one last time. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Most certainly, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the 

opportunity. Yes, that question was posed to me when I appeared 
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before the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. Senate in the confirmation hearing for the position of Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which I now hold. The White House reached 

out to me when I was the United States Attorney for the Central 

District of California and asked me whether I supported the commutation of a narcotics trafficker that had been prosecuted in the 

District of Minnesota by my colleague, my fellow United States Attorney, and I informed them that I did not support the commutation, that I did not know the facts of the case, and that deference 

should be afforded to the Federal prosecutor in the District of Minnesota who prosecuted that case. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you. 

The last thing I want to do is just give you an opportunity to 

make a very short statement, a short closing statement, and then 

I want to make one of my own, and I am going to run and vote. 

Please. Thank you for your testimony today. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for the 

privilege of appearing before you and before the distinguished 

Members of the Committee. 

Let me, if I can, say that one of the greatest sources of honor 

that I have had in my professional career is to serve alongside the 

men and women of the United States Citizenship and Immigration 

Services. It is an extraordinarily dedicated and talented workforce. 

It has been equally an honor to serve as an Assistant United 

States Attorney and United States Attorney. I love public service. 

I love aspiring to fulfill the highest ideals of public service. I love 

being an officer of the court. I love being a guardian of the law. I 

love the privilege and the honor of always doing the right thing. 

I also love my family. I love my two brothers that are here. And 

I love the family that they are representing here. 

I adored my parents. My parents were individuals of unflinching 

integrity and ethics and honor. And I have executed my public 

service responsibilities in a way in which they would be proud. And 

if I have the privilege of being confirmed as the Deputy Secretary 

of Homeland Security, I will continue to do so. 

Thank you. 

Chairman CARPER. Thank you for those words. 

When we met earlier this week, we talked a little bit about your 

parents. I am sure you will recall that. And you said these words, 

and I will paraphrase, but I think this is pretty much what you 

said. You said: I live my life to honor my parents. And I think if 

your parents were here today—I am sure they are tuning in, looking down—my guess is they are very proud of their three sons. 

I think it was Thomas Jefferson who used to say, ‘‘If the people 

know the truth, they will not make a mistake.’’ The purpose for 

this hearing is to try to ensure that we get to the truth, that we 

do not hear about rumor and innuendo and unconfidential sources, 

anonymous sources for investigations that take not just weeks but 

months, now almost a year. We have to get to the truth. You have 

helped us to get there. And while I am disappointed that some of 

our colleagues could not join us today, my hope is that they will 

have an opportunity to consider what has happened today and 

what we have heard today and what we have learned. 
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I also hope that the Inspector General or the Acting Inspector 

General or whoever is in charge in the Inspector General’s shop 

these days over at the Department of Homeland Security, I hope 

they will put their foot on the accelerator and get this done. Justice—what is the old saying? ‘‘Justice delayed’’—— 

Mr. MAYORKAS ‘‘Is justice denied.’’ 

Chairman CARPER [continuing]. ‘‘Is justice denied.’’ And we have 

a Department that is without a confirmed Deputy Secretary, will 

soon be without a Secretary, that has gaping holes in its leadership, and we need to address it. Of all the departments of our Federal Government, this one, perhaps more than any, needs leadership, needs strong leadership, and they have had that in Janet 

Napolitano and Jane Holl Lute, and you and others with whom you 

serve. And God knows they are going to need it in the months and 

the years to come as we deal with cyber attacks, which are occurring at this very moment, with terrorist attacks, which are being 

planned this day, with the challenges that will come from immigration reform legislation if we are able to implement it, and with God 

knows how many other challenges that are before us. 

The last thing I would say is just a word on integrity. One of my 

favorite sayings is, ‘‘Integrity’’—I do not know who said this, but 

it is a good one. ‘‘If you have got it, nothing else matters. Integrity, 

if you do not have it, nothing else matters.’’ And it sounds like to 

me that your parents infused in you and your brothers a fair 

amount of integrity. And we appreciate that. We appreciate your 

presence here. 

This hearing record will remain open until noon tomorrow, July 

26th at 12 p.m., for the submission of statements and questions for 

the record. 

With that, this hearing is adjourned. Thank you all. 

Mr. MAYORKAS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

[Whereupon, at 12:40 p.m., the Committee was adjourned.] 

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