1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9**~o·** 11 

### 12 13 14 

### 1 5 16 

### 11 18 

### 19 20 

### 2 1 22 

### 23 

### 24 25 

### Both th0 tellli-annual re porting and t he anuual compliance certificat i on only

### bee~ requir&d 

### after the iaau&nce of the permit. llso, I wanted to share tQ.th you wh at tho USEPA :say a about Title v · pen:d:ts: t'bb purpoae of th• 't'itle V

### ~rait**s** i$ t.o redUce violation• of air pollu · tion la " s and

### U~Pro"Ve enforcel'll!lnt of those laws. Tltle v pcPlits d.o thi-s by: L Record1n9 in one document &11 of the air 

### pollution control

### r~rements that apply to the Gourc:e. 1'hi
. a 9i v es members of the public:, 

### re9ulators , and the source, a claa r picturo , 

### of what the focility is required to do to k.Gcp ita ai.r {>ollution undQr tbe lega1

## ~ ts. 2. Requiring the source to .aka rec;rular re.porta on bOW it i.s tracking iu eaissiona of pOllution and the

## contro~ i t .ls

## u.&~ to liait it• 

### e.Iaaions. Tbese reports are pub lic i.n,

_

form&tion, and you can gat tbeJG

### fro~n the**por~ittln9** 

### authority.

3. Adclin9 

### IIK>O itor ing, testi09, 

### or record 

### k

eep ing

### requ1%~**ts ,**  where needed, to assure that 

### the eouECe cowplies with 

### its**e~ssion li~ta**  

### or other 

### Pollution co ntrol 

### requiE · ementa. 4. ReqU1X'in9 the source to c:artify each yea:r



### VES 0045001 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 13 14 

### 15 16 11 18 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 whether or. not 

### it h•s mat the aiT pollution requirements i f'l i ts 'l'itlo V pem i t. •rbeso cex:titieations are public information. 5. Mak in<J t he terms of
. the Title V pe.t:lllit tede.rally enforce able. This eea..o.s that the EPA and 

### the public can enforce the teras of the -p4I'-.it, al.ot\9 wlth the State. 1 "' ill nov 90 into w-hat this penait doe-s and cloes not do: The pendt. does not. do: This permit does not a.llov any lnc: Xl!U&

### emission~ abOvo those previously allowed
. 

### Thi s permit dOes not allow the construction of •nY new

### •quiptQ~~nt or ehe JDOdi.ficat i on ol a.ny**e~atin~** 

### equtpoent. tifba t thift perait c;Soes**<1o~** 'fbi a peDDi.t e.e · tablisbes ne w conditions tht.t .w.st 

### now be a4he
. r*Cl to AB a resu lt ot the ieauance of thia parait. 

### Mhezeas all pre viou s**pe_~ts** 

### Were only enforceable by tbe l&PA and OSEPA, this permit ia
no w ent.orceable by the 

### p"blic. T.hia pe:rtn.it 

### astablished new reporting

## equi**re»ents** and self-monitoring

## ~ireaen~a that at.• an inte<Jr.,J. part of the title v px09r-U!-· This permit is

### ~ired to be issued under the



### VES 0045011 2 3 

# • s 6 1 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 13 lt 

### 15 16 l1 18 19 20 

### 21 2 2 23 

### 24 25 

### Nat ional 1990

## Clw~**ir ~ct** **~~nt** - - Title v. Thia: pormit is considered the pr i mary 

### cOAPliance tool for monitorinq

### an~ ve rifying
co mplian ce**o~** 

### the aourc e . N

o w 10M c ocsent.s on co n i.gbt' s bea.rin9· 

### we**•~** here to 

### provide you

### info~~ion and perhaps raost iq:lortant.lY. to Usten to your C()IIIIM.nt• and 

### concerna . 'tour

## ~nts can, and often do, 

### •ft:ect the content of ti)e permit o r even tha t:inal a.et. i on that is to be taUn on tb• appl ica tion. so 

### please , mak• yOU% concerns known to us. lt is 

### also import&nt that you

### ~~ Known your concotns in

## o~der to retain your r ight& should you vi4b to obj•ct to the CAAPP pe . xtdt . In

## ~lanation, the issues tnat 

### you may cite in a petition to object to the CAAP P 

### peadt IIIAY bo 

### lt.ited

## ~o t ho•• 

### is sues that 

### you

## ba~e pxevioualy raised. Therefore, i:9a.in• it is tmporU.nt that you identify in v r itin9 any concerns t:M.t you

## ~y have here toni9ht. If

## n~t here, let

## ~s know 

### prior to the closi ng of the 

### bearin9 record, which w ill be 

### around 30 

### days from tonight
. You

## ~Y •ub m it auc.h coment s ' 

### concerning the 

### dr a.ft CAJ\PP pormi.t

### ~ia a lettex 

### oi

### e-~il to tbe Il l inOis £PA,

### B~teau of Air, Pe.DIIit 

### section.



### VES 0045021 2 3 4 

## s 6 1 B 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 15 16 11 18 19 

### 20 21 

### 22 23 

### 24 25 

### And finally, I vant to q ive you**s~** 

### infox-ation on what c omes next after to night'e haartnQ. The hearing record w ill close in rou;hly 30 di,ya ft'OIIl toni ght. We w i-1.1 th•n qenerllte a proposed CAAP'P penait

### ~nd seocl t.hiS to the U SB.PA 

### tor their 4S-d.&y revie w period. 'fbi& proposed CAAPP peodt will also sbov up on our ve bsit.e when

we send it to the OSEPA. The 

### public**~** 

### 45 days froa the close of the OS£PA 4S day revie w perLod ln which to petition t he USEPA to object to the 

### CAAPP permit. Atter the US EPA re vi e w period expire s , w e w ill take 

### final
. action on tbe CAAPI? pemit. l\ou9hlY aroW'Id the UA!A't 

### we take final action. on the CMPP 

### peDait we w ill .ail out the Sqaring 

### Respoaslvoness sunaary. This doc'UfPe.tlt will a.lso

### a.~ax on our weboite. !bat 

### concludes •Y opening ceoarks and I'd like to turn

### 1~ ove r to Ahatoly

### ~l..oqorslty. , 1\JfATOLY BELOGOR.SKY, Pendt Roviewor
(BY HI\. 8EWGOI\SK'l) : Good 

### evening, Ladioa and Ge.ntlemen. My name is Anatoly selogoraky and t
.. 

### an

### enviro~n~**pro~ction** engineer v ith the



### VES 004503l 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 l5 

### 16 17 18 1 9 

### 20 2 1 

### 22 23 24 25 

### lll t. no la Envir.onmental erotection**~ga ncy**  

### at S p . ritlg tiold
. I h• v tt })Sen worki nq in th e Permi t Section of the Di v - ision of Air P ollut ion COntJ:o l 

### for more th an nino years. I w ould

### ~a to 

### thAnk e verybodY for coaing hue t.o expre a• your intexe.&t i.n the environtH nU.l tss \.183 concernin<J ony x B n virou.ental S e rvices '[itlo v p roposed porai e . I w il l br i e tly dis cuss siqn
. i f ic an t emission u nit .s 

### ot the · pro posed pamlt 

### along w ith uniqueness of this sourc e 

### frOR th &
te <j'lllatory st . o.ndp01nt
. 

### Onyx Environmental services in Sauget . is a

### treat~nt,**ato~a;e,** and disposal

### ~ll**ty,** wh ich
acc ep ts of!slte qenerated was te

### fo**~ furth•~**  dispOSal throu; K**incin~a~ oa**  Tbo Illio o 1e EPA b.ad rece i v ed the appl iCAtion for a Clee.n Air A ct 

### P&alit. f or Onyx &nviro lliOel\t.al
su v icea on Sopl;e!Ober 7, 1995. 'fbe dr.Ut 

### puait has been prepa:recl b&sed on the source

### r~irll'l9 a.

### ~lean Air

### ~t**~t** as a majo r source of baza r dou e a nd**pol lu~** **t** 

### emissions. The draft p etlftit fo r Ony¥ contain s nine 

### .!Sect ion s. The se sections e stabl ish tot · al 

### em1eo io ne allo w •d at t.hi
. s site ftom. 

### stationary emission units, <Sescribo app Licab le and oon-apPlie&b l•



### VES 0045041 2 3 4 5 

# ' 1 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 l4 15 

### 16 17 1 8 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 

### r egulations, unit-specific oonditioos, emission

### l~tations for individual emission un i tS at thia source, taating, record keeping,

### ~nitorinq, and other**require~nts** 

### needed for demOns tra tion COliPuance. wi th appl ic at>le state and federal 

# cul••· Si9ni!icant

### ~ssion Units, as establl#hed i a section 4, include the follo w ing: ll tbroe 

### Ha&&rdOUI was te combustors; 2)

### Ma**terl~** ProooaaiD9 

### Areas; 3)

### 0~ cruaherJ 4l Storaqe Tanks for Liqui d Wsateat 5) Bulk solid was te Sto ' re.ge Facilityl 6) ru;itive

### ~i~sioos; and 1) so110r. 

### total permitted

### ~aeions of requlated air pollutant•. • • doaeribed in s ecti on 5, are eatabliahod at

### ~ follow i ng rounded 

### 1eve1a in 

### tons per year1

### ~ - - 41 

### tons;**su~fur** 

### dioxido

-- 

### 66 tonal p&rticulate J>&tter

-- 41 tonS; 

### nitroqen oxidea

-- 9'1 to n•; and baz , a.rdou s air poUut.a.ntl, not in cluded ' s. n VCM or PM

-- 52 tons. Thie source 

### is c::onsider
. ad o.s a Njor source for

## ~za.rdouo ai:c pei.lu tanta emitted frOI\ the st;ationary WaGion units operated at this site. 

### Section 1 

### determines app l icability

### ~nd non - applieebilitY of state and

### fede~~l**~equlations** for significant

## ~ssioo units described ' in



### VES 0045051 2 3 4 5 6 1 

## e 9 10 11 

### 12 13 

### 1 4 15 · 

### 16 l1 

### 18 19 20 21 22 

### 23 24 

### 25 Section 4.

### Pe~it ' condit ion s of this sect io n also 

### establish appropriate c ompliance procedures, inc ludinq inspection pract i ces,

### est**in~,** mon i tor ing , record k eeping , and repor ting requireawntll. ,.he Permi t. tee ftl.S t carry Out the••

### proc:edu~•• on &n on - , qoing bAsis to demonstrate that t..bie •ource operates v i thi.n tbe U.aitationa
set by the peDILlt .

### H.a~a**Ldous** lla.s t.e tncin e.rat. i o.n operation is tho

### cent8~1ece o f thi3 

### source. By 

### June 3 0, 200 4, th eeo i nc inera t ors sha l l demons tr ate full

### co~ltance w it h 40 C FR Part 60, S ubp ar t 

### BE£, Hazardous W aste Combustions, Milestones of ouch 

### <:OIIPliance arc osub ii ehed 

### in the Compliance ,Schedul• of Section 7
. Tho

### CC<~~Plexity of dr af ti ng this pe.rait Ues in t.be unique nature of this f&ci.lity wb.U O 

### dif f erent

### Feder**~ S~and&** **rds bis** **or~ca11y** beiR9 a..pPl i oc:1 prior to the coq>li ance

### ~ta of the ne.vly 

### promu 1; atod HA C

T standArd for Hazardous M4 ato

### co~**ust ion.**  The se i nterim 

### rules were prOMu l ; ated undar tho joint au t h or i t y of the 

### Clean AJr Act 

### and the R esource conserva tion and Recov er y Act (RCRAl
. MACt' atanda
. rd will be i mplement i ng a tr&naitio n

### fr**~** the SU:RA pe . ad.t 

### mech&nicsa to t h e Clean 

### l!. ir



### VES 0045061 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 

### 1 2 13 14 1 5 

### 1 6 17 

### 18 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 

### 23 

### 24 25 Act Title V p o rrait .nechanisl'l as a . rticulatad. in the 

### S ubpart E&& a nd any**~elevane a.en~** **en t5.**  rt is iooportant to r_..t>er that tblS permi': 

### tr ansi tion ia onl y fo r the a i r

## ~ssioos USEPA ie regulat.inq \lncler !4AC't ru la. AU other oo !llpO net\t$ of th o Rc:AA pendt appl i cable to the .,.,.bu.Stion 

### unit and to other Mzaxdous w aste un.aqemeot unit. • 

### ..-in in tho Rc:AA peooit. 'fbe oSEPI>. cl.arifi•• that 

### the y cboae to avo i d t.posin9 

### dupl ic a ti v o require11\6n t• under: both 'RCRA and the Clean Air Act 

### where poaa ib le, b y : 1. Placing the 

### s t andards On l y in 

### the

### c~**a3n** A ir Act i mpl U\e O
. til'\9 regulati ons a t 40 CFI\, Part 63, Sub
. paJ:t !.EEi 2. specifyi ng tha t the analngou • standa rd• in the Rc:AA re<JUl. at.ions do no t app ly on ce a fa eilit y d.e-QO& tra te a COIIPliacce vi tb t.be Baz,a.rd.oUS tfaa t.e C

C>IIbu stion 1-u.CT standards to S\lbpart ar;; 

### and 3. Requ1z:i nq the · Ha-z,a.rdous Waste Co«<buJJti on MACT

. a tancll.rda to be ineorpor
. ate d i nto operat i.nq

## pe~it5 issued under 

### title V of t he Clean Air Ac t rather t hen i nto RCAA
. per rU. t:s . I hope t h at the pt,tblic, local cowmmity, a n d. 

### the

### ~ttee would be

### satisfie~ on ho " tho IUiooil &Pil is handlU>9 tbi.s thallengin q p roject.



### VES 0045071 2 3 4 5 ' 6 7 8**~** 10 11 12 

### 1 3 14 1 5 16 17 1 8 

### 19 20 21 22 23 

### 2 4 25 

### That conclude S •Y brief presentation and I thank you for your at ten ti on.
(81 IIEARiliG OFfiC£R IIATO & SINi l: th a nk you 

### spe.a .t ecs.. Detore ve t•ke 

### c:oa:ae:ntG

## trot:~ the puJ)lic I 1u•t v ent to

### en~~ a fe v e%b tbi ts into tho
c e eor d. !'be t'it'Bt

## exhibi~ v ill be a COPY of the 

### notieo of public h aarinq w hich

### ~s placed in 

### the PS W l!lp.IPer. 1'he

### ~od v il l be a sheet Sh0'111 J.n9 

### date• it

## ~•• in th e paper and newspapers th a t it


### wa s in. Third, vil l be 

### a copy of testimony of Mr. Drago v ich. Fo urth, vill be a cop1 of U\c 

### testimony of H a. Rieqle. Fifth, w i l l bO a copy of the eeatJ..on y of M:r

. Blough. · S i xth 1 w ill be a copy of tM Kr. Be log-o rsky ' s testiJL'IOny, and thlln sevencb

### i~l be • copy of the

### p~oposed CAAP P 

### peooie. ouy.

- v e vill

### u.~ 

# ,_,.ts t.:ooo we publ1c.
se v or-al peoplo have no't.Qd that they w ish to ID&k.e pUblic

### c~nu**.** we'll take theJP

### fi~:st, then 

### afterwa rds v a' l l take question s in

## qe**oa ~al** **fr~** t h & public or an yone el se who 

### wi shes to .ek e a

### c~nt.**A~~in,** pleas a approach the m icrophone , 

### ata.te and

### ~pel**l** your last for the re eocd and p1e.ase tr:y to speak cl ea.rly
.



### VES 0045081 

### 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 ll 1 2 13 14 1 5 

# 1 v

· 11 18 1 9 

### 20 21 22 

### 23 24 25 th e fl.rst person 1 have Us t e<l as Jill Mi l!er. te 3hG b e re? (BY MS
. HlLL&Rlt I 

### prefer to vait after a ll of tho**q~eat1on& s~ar** **t.** (B Y HEAAING Ofi'ICBR HATOf:Sll'Nl : OkAY. I'll

### ~ bllc.k then. I have Kath Y Mdr i a. ( 8)! KS. .Mfi)RlAl : 1 prefer t.o wait. ( BY uEAAING OFFlCBR KATliESlANl : >ibO are You ? \!Jha t ia your your**nU~B?** (BY HS. l\NORlAl : · Kathy Andr i a . (BY Hli:A IU NG OF FICER Y.A'JoESiliN) : Hov oi><>U t J ao k. N o nn an. (BY HR

. JACK NORMAN): 

### Hr
. !learin'J off icer, 

### my

## ~ ls Jack,

## J-A~C-K, and

## N-0-R**~A -N** **,** I live in

## Col~la, Illinois. l "m a v9lunte er wi th the Sierra Club in the b.Staskia qcoup

## w~re I am t..M**conse~ tion**  

### chair
. Onyx Snv i ro,...,ent , al servi.ce.s has asked fo r a

. CAAPP 

### opereting

## pet'llli~ to r 

## t.ne sa ugot, tlU
..

### no i a fa. c1lit y for

## reat:ll~t, ato:rage, ..nd dis pos al of haza rdous wa s te . . 'fhe key con.side:r:at io o re gard i ng 

### thi a fac ilit y ia whe th er or PO t p ub lic beal th

## ~nd th o envitonmant are adequate ly protec ted. If

## ~ facil i ty c 4n 

### do so, but

### doe**~** not, it abod1d not be

-- it .sbOQld be shUt 

## c:sovn. If i t cannot do



### VES 0045091 2 3 

# •

6

8 9 1 0 

## u 12 13

16


### 18 1 9 20 

### 21 22



### 24 25 

### so i t 

### should at so be 

### shut

# do~n. Fu rther, it i t 

### aoes not operate without undue risk to 

### fac i litY peraonnol, it 

### should be 

### shut doWn · Until nov, thiS faci l Lty b a s no t operated eo 

### that 

### wotkexs• safety, pUblic health. 

### a nd t he 

### regional enviro nment il
. re pxotected. 

### ourinq .couti-oe. opeutlona this plant e&its sub.ate.ne6S to the env lroNMnt vbieh are hazardous to bUUJ'l 

### •

## he~tb and destruc tive to the cOnditions necessary

conoun it y. some o f · this emi
. ssions allo Wed under the previous 

### pe.rJil t and

## regul~tions intended. to

## ~1emen**t re10van~**  haDn, but the ' facil ity b3D over tbe yearG taken out quantities of those a-\lbstances in · e.xcets of pera.it l iJDits, as t.blt

## reeo~ ebov•. 

### tbia

## ~eeoEd otleJ• no

## baS~ tor acceptable aatisfact.ory pertortDil.Dce in 

### the tut-u".


### inci denta,

## 1nclud1ng**p1o sions** **,** indic&tinq both 

### tho i n stabilit y of some materials rece i vod for treatment a nd

### .anage~nt deficiencies. 

### These i neidents in th e recorded

## ~latory of the Ony x facili t Y are a dequately e.utioned. On the 

### r · ecord, t.hl
. s 

### facility sho uld not continue to



### VES 004510l 2 3 4 5 6 

# , 8 9 10 ll 1 2 13 

### 14 15 16 17 18 19 

### 20 21 

### 22 23 24 

### 25 

### operate as before. Th ank you. (81

### HE~NG OFFIC&R MATOESilN)' Thank you,

### ~. Norman. N•xt, w e have Ch£istin& Favilla. (BY HS. FAVI.t.L.P.): Good ev ening, ttear · io9 

### Officer, again, •Y name is Chxistine Favilla and I live in tS& cli&on County and 1 WO.l"k on

## S~ff for the Sierra Club, Il-li
. oois ChApter, i,n charqe of thO three Sliv•r• Pro1e-ct, vb.i.cb is ba-sed o\lt: o f

### ~Adi&on, ' calhoun, and J ersey counties , wbicb 

### L• obviously not in St. Clair , and I v ill qet to 

### w hy 

### 1 b3va conoernS-

### ~b•**lncinerato~G** consistently releeae larqe 

### -.mount& of aX'cenic, dioxin, and o the r hi9hlY toxie air pollutanea. lt is a..lso

## contribu**ti~** to tho &mag

## level~ t.h at ..:Ce plaguinq the entire St. t.ouio •nd Metro 41)(1 ttetro Ea.st a..rea. La at

### ~r parts of St. LO\li& re corded COde Or&090 and Coda Red s · l'lOC} wa.rninqs on a t leut 35 

### days, 

### and

### ~~ po lluti ons caus$$ bre&thin9 probl•taa, iocludin9 taO.re frequent
. and U\Or8 aevere 

### aethm& attacks auch as che county 

### is aeoin9 i , n t.r:equontly hic;Jb nU'IQbGrs. 

### So 

### I have concerns with the**~diete** 

### coaounity wbich tbe facility is basad in and also
. 

### Ka..cS.Leon and .Jus6y 

### County as they aro Cl)rreotly



### VES 0045111 2 3

5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 11

, 12 

### 13



### 15

11 18 19 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 2 4 

### 25 not in cOMPliAnce v it h th& 

### c l ean Air 

### Act and t


### wo uld l i k e to

## ~ko awa% e of the 

### i mpact the 

### facility hal on those

## ~wo counties and I w ould like to see that those are reduced in the f u ture. Ou.t cOIIIDWD.iti es dee&n d respect 

### aM that 

### inclu4el tbe right to live i n a h ealthY atmosphere, and r egu lax in spections of Ony x aaz.udOUI waat.e i.oc.lnerat.ors b&ve not previously oc:.cur:recl, and vit.b t:be Illinois E PA requlatory bUdget defic1C. it ia diffic u lt to see ho w tbe 

### onyK toxic

## wa**ote ci** **a~ ors**  wi l l be 

### inspected 

### thoroughly even w ith its own s e lf inspection• and and how i t 

### w il l co me into

## ~ompl**ianoe .**  And for 

### those reaaona t 

### ur9e you to de n y the

## pa~t. Thank you v-ery liUCh. (BY siWIING oFFICER Hl>'ro SSIANl : 'l'MJ\ k you.
(BY KS. J..(lCAII SMI'rlll : xat bleen Loq an Saith, "itb a K. t•lll on the BoU'd of Health a.nd 

### tnvironaental

## Justi~e of St. LOuis
. w e "prosent
a populat!
.on o f people tbat are 

### !."'P•<ted by the 

### po llut i ng facili t ie s, a nd we ' re here to 3 pe ak agains t this particular fac i lity. 

### It polluteS our neighbors on the east a ide 

### ot tho :river but to the a . rea& sou th 

### ot the ri v er it



### VES 0045121 2 3 4 5 6 1 

## s g 10 11 

### 12 13 l4 

### 15 16 11 18 

### 19 20 2 1 22 23 24 25 

### pollutes es woll- We're conce£ried about tha air impact of this facility,

### particula~ly because

### ~ have a serious asthmA pioblem in st.

### ~o~is, w e have as thma rates as hiqh · as, you kn?w, 

### seven to
cen

### t~• the

### nati~l averaqe in

### s~ areas. Tbis wou.ld add by •i't' c:.a.lculat.ions 3'11 aore ton

_ s to 0\l.C air poltueion. problea, and that's as.:s\D.i.ft9 they operate well and

## aeeo~ to the 

### peralt limits, and their

## ~eoord indicates that that is unlikely. 

### Obviously**co~li&nce** 

### is not**the ~**  

### stron9 pOint a.nd so it 's not a lot

### ~ re a ssutance to the qen •rill public thet you hav e a pe · r ldt that ia


### w

ithin accoptabla l evals because 

### we have no
oa.-uraneas that they' U ccwuply. &eyond t.bat, though.., we al$0 know tMt even "itb 

# tl>O•• pe%1&its tbey are allowed 

### t.o 

## .,.ut diod.na, fura

. nst' IIQI8t.al&, ba:ardoUs and orc}anic 

### pollutants, and a whole host of 

### chemical• that iJOPa
. Ot our enviroJ'lJQent
.



### th ere w as a study that came out a fe w weeki e9o

### roc~mmendinq that t h e qover ruaent issuo 

### st.o.nda.rdS and reCOCUHndations 

### to young w omen 

### and
v.-an of childhearinq age to

### ~t their 

### eonsu.peion oC fats because of the 

### dioxin in 

### the


## .·

VES 004513t 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 11 12 1 3 14 15 ]. 6 ].1 1 8 

### 19 2 0 2 1 

### 22 23 

### 24 

### 2 5 f ood 

### c h ain. So t h ey ' re try ing to tel l al l

### omon tbot w e ehould a voi d

## ~·**~** an d eat a l o w fat diet 

### bec & uae 

### o t t h e . d i o xi n io 

### the food

### , beca u s e ehey come out of facilities like t hi s 

### one, thoy 

### sett l e 1n the fleld• and

## rk th eir w ay u p in the food chaln. Tbey get into our cattle and our JIO&\; 

### prodUcts, che•• e products, dairy p roduct&, 

### and our breo.et Dille. vben we fa-e<l our babies, and tb&t ia 

### &ometb1ng that 

### you have an o pP ortu n ity to 

### deal

wit h riq'ht no v . I don't thl nlc w e s h ou ld be issuing v a..rni
. ngs 

### t o wome n that s ay y o u r b x e a s t mil k is c ontributing to y our bab y 's dioxi n bu J:de n ex ce ss ively.

## 1\**n~** tbe 

### onl Y v &y ve can s t op t hi $ 

### as 3 

### soci e t y isauinq
v a_rni_f191 like that i s i f we s top &). l o w in g cUoKin 

### in the environ-ant. And 1 undere,tand it • s yo ur 1 ob to i
. aau• peudta, that's w he.t your j ob 9-escriptiOl'l is, but

### h~n w e hava

### one l ike this

### ~ that can't aee

### t o comp l y

### an**~** w ill thr eat e n th e health of 

### ge nerations to 

### come , emi ss i ons th&t co me fr om

## i~ facility , t 

### u r g e y o u to tak e your j ob 

### description
one atep

### furthe**~** a n d de n y the

### pe**~t.** ( BY H "EJI!liNG OFFIC£R w. roESi llll ) : TMnk y ou ,

### ~~~&**ar:a.** N e x t l b ave Cl aral. yn Bo Uinqar.



### VES 00451 41 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 1 0. ll 

### 1 2 l3 14 

### 15 16 

### 17 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23

· 2 4 25 ( BY HS. SOL LINGER. ): Good eve ni ng, rtty nanl e is 

### Cl&ralyn BollinQer , tha t's

### C-L-A-R**A- L-** **Y-N,**

. s :...o -L -L-1- N -G-E-R , and 1'111\ here tonight j uac

### pri~ily as a

### co**nce r~ed**  S t . Louis cit i ze n, and I'd l.ike to exprus my concern about the 

### incineration tacillty**ope ated**  

### by**on~** &nvironMnt.&l Services in Sauget, lUlnot.a. I would like to cl , arify some thii'MJ& that you 

### s&t6 and

### ~aybe you 

### can't real ly answer -. dixectly 

### now, but perhaps in the questio n part you can. Fi r at**~-** 

### Victorlne , l**tho~ qht**  

### I beArd you say 

### that tull ris k**ass essme** **nt ~**  

### are no t n ee ded**to~** toxic Y& ate

### inciner~t**ion tacil~ties,**  at

### ~4aoc that ' s ho w it 

### ca-e acroos, and lt

# sao~ 11k• you 

### said that the pro jected d i oxin/furan Q»iamions at tbe 

### Onyx f•eill ty are projected to be below the, quot•, t h e level of conce.rn, and. pe.rbap a • • might t>e.Mfit troa, turtber cl ari fication· a.s to tt ba.t 

### real ly meats tbe 

### Il l i no is and US EPA level of concern, because 1 thin k 

### priaa ril y uost average peop le ' thin k**~nythlng** 

### ie a le vel of concern. Further, Onyx like many other regulated industries, would

### s~ingly be respOnsible t or condUctinQ

### heir 

## own emission

### mo~ttorin9 and reportinq to the Il l i no . i s &PA

- and to the U SEPA
. ,.



### VES 0045 1 51 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 13 14 15 16 11 18 

### 19 20 21 22 23 2 4 25

### ~d 1 think it 

### would be 

### intere s ting to f i nd

### o~t. yo u know, sr• th ey go i ng to 

### have kind of spot

## ~nitoxinq by you all ox is it qoinq to be 

### kind of l i ke the !ox

## qua~n9 the 

### ben bouse and they can

## ba<~• a tr:.-endoua toxic nU
. s.sion and be like, 

### oaps, aorry, o h

## el**l,** you kno w , we'l l pay tbe floe and vo' ll be a'bl• to keep having our 

### pexait ia pl ac e. That

### brin~•**~ ~o**  vhat, 

### if a oythinq, i n the

## pe~t require• the• to bave a plan of

## otlon if a

## ~ssiv**o** •xcoftdenoe happe ns.

## ~·**th~Y** qoing to bO
r equited to

### aomebo**~ ~acuate**  all of the citizens in saug•t?

## Wha~ about us on the 

### other side 

### ot t he river? A£• 

### o ur

### oepart~ent of

### ~ational Resou roos

### qo~nq to

### a~h**ov** l i ke be on the pbone fiqu%in9 out, you tmo v, it • s c;:oa.i.tt.9, i.t' s a biq black c l ®ci
or qreen or aoeetblng, os: t"Un 

### type of tblnq. 1 clOn' t thin)C that ' & too praetica..l real ly. 

### ttr. Belog orsky, you had said that the Onyx 

### fec i lity ia a major source for

## ~~ardOus**i~** correct you are noddin g pollutan ts 1P thti 

### area

## yo~r head

-- okay , and as other people hav e said

## an~ w lll 

### probablY

## s~y again, obviou sl y tho 

### Kis ai.ssi ppi fliver is oot this divid1nq l ine and ao we '%0 aftected · on the west side )u&t as nai9hbors



### VES 0045161 2 3 4 5 6 

# ' 8 9 10 · 11 

### 12 13 

### u · 15 16 

### 11 18 

### 19 20 21

. 22 23 

### 24 

### 25 over hexe on t h e east side are · affected
. 

### And I think , too , 

### q i ven the time 

### of crisis

## ~6mingly w e are !acing a s a country i t 

### w ould kind of be 

### of question in 

### •Y sind , and 

### probably other peop lo , ia 

### if thi R faci l it y is 

### burning toxic w aste is it

### a~how going to be some sor t 

### o t target 

### for t erro r iaD or it 

### th e facility 

### sa.ebow ha&ardOUa 

### i f

### s~thi**g** bappene4 txa. o u tsi de ban dits or vando le that

- - you kno v , 

### Ve hope th at.

### doe.**s~ t**  bappenr but y ou kno w, thin g s l ite th at could ba.ppe.n. So, l would llke to hear yo'?-r

### a.t~s**wers** about tho8e tbi ng3.**T~an k**  y o u . 

### (B Y**R£~RJ G**  

### OPFIC ER HATOESIAN)' Thank you,**(8~** HR. Vt CTO'UN'E): 'thanks. Let's see, your fir · a.t

### qu~•tion had to do w ith rl3'k as.se&$ltlel\t& not bll!linCJ

### ~e.asuy. tMt w as pa r t of th e pr e a..Cle of 

### the requlations that the
. EPA i n was hington o.c.,
w

rote. 

### Pa.rt of 

### tk re&son tilat they updat.cl the 

### reg ul4tioos vas they were not sure that tbo 

### older

### requl~tion•**cove ~**  absolutelY 

### evorytb ing , un til

### ~uc**h ti~c**  tho ne w

### regul**atio~** CODe 

### out t hat called tor 5 ite •pQcit ie risk asseasaents 

### if t h e£e v as re ason to bel ie ve tha t any of tbe emJ,ssi.oos, 

### eve n tbou<;Jh. they ttet the old standa rds, lllight c;re ' ate a



### VES 00451 71 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 ll 12 "13 14 15 

### 16 11 16



### 20 21



### 23

25 

### the purpose of developing the 

### new regulations
was to hopeful ly get away from that whe:te ev,u:yon , e

## ould be

## mec~in9 standard$ that are protected. The pri.U rY tool 

### to be protected are the 

### regulation• themSelves. Tbe r isk assessments h&VI
a);)ove t.be cequlat.ions c.Mt ve use as a bac k


### •**nio~~n** level of concern, you had the question, nationally for dioxins, t h o nuPber3, tho

that have been

### u~ed, althougb they'r e not 

### promulgated o.t 

### th-is

## poin~, are cancer ri:s k increasft due to any one faci l ity. 

### dua to the dioxins of one and one hundred
. thOusand· 'fbo only
tb.ey had vaste OQIIIbustion rules tb&t deal. with



### tenths to c!nua fifth, (1 and 100, 0001 ia 

### contained in t hat 

### rule. Although it 

### waa never officially brought into the other rules the valuea hav

- e been used nationaUy so that a.l.l toei.litlel
a.xe held to thAt

# s~ standArd, but the ptJ.rpoee of tbe federal

## ~::ec,JUl.at.lons is to trY to hold everyone



### VES 0045181 2 3 4 S' 6 7 8 9 

### 10 

### il 12 

### 13 l4 

### 1,5 16 17 18 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 23 24 25 · to consis t e n t standards. Who does the II\Oni toring? Perhaps the Stat e 1!:1iqbt want to get involved in th i s one. Each permit is a l i tUe diff erent . Regu l ations are 

### th e .regul ations · under the new Air A c t rule s, I be l ieve, say that testing has to**~** done once 

### every five ye&rs a s far as actu al S tack**testing~** but i.n additi on t o tba. t , dioKi:n tes t ing has to be 

### done once every two 4nd a half years, and tha c th e r e ha .s to be continuous JllOnitorinq of vArious 

### process parameters which contro l the emissions
. The equipment doesn't quite exist y et to put on a s t ack, to hanq on a stack to continuous l y monito r the**Mi ~sio** **ns.** 

### I think we 

### all look forward to the**t~ ~n**  

### that equi pment does**~st,** 

### but until then a lot of regu1ations done by regulat ing tbe ope r ating pa r ameters, th e 

### tempe ratures, the flow rate$, the veloc it y to suc h within the**equi~nt .** **~e** eltl(lrgeocy plan, that.' 

### s probably part that the 

### s tate**pe~t** 

### - - 

### there's a contingency plan
. The other one that I

-- questi on that ·you br?ugbt u p I would lik o to tcy is the one ve call Hoaeland Security. My understanding i.s that the 

### EPA headquarters in Washington D
. C
. , is



### VES 004519l 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 1l 

### 12 13 

### 14 15 16 

### 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2t 

### 25 

### considering whether r egulations should be developed for like all llCRA hazaxdous waste f&c il i ti es addressing your kind. of concexns. . It


### s e ems that there i s a bit of bact and fOrth about whether it' s**th ~**  

### EPA regulati ons or Whe ther i t would be the Depa..rtf;lent of Homeland security which 

### has now been given al l 

### ot these kind of
au th orities
. So that: kind of thinq has been 

### wo r ked out, but the i s su e is being · considered in the &PA headquarters. lBY**MR~** BELOGOitSl<Y): I bave the question 

### aboue the 

### source, the majo r source of haz ardous air pollutan t s. Yes, that's absolute ly truQ 1 

### i t's


### a major**so ~oe**  

### of ha1ardous a ir**pollutan~s ac~oss**  

### Illinois, so basically the nature 

### ot hazardous ai r pollutants from this so\u:ce is not \Ul i que or . 

### somethinq let 's say terribly bad in

## ~ariSon**~ith** 

### many other facilities in Illinois. Becaus e of

- - I can give you an

## exa.ntp**~, ~e.~i~ri~** **s** 

## oi che.IO.i.c al p lants, th ey a:naintain much 1110re hiqh · 

### levels of hazardous air pollutants
. than Onyx. So notbin q in 

### the Clean Air Act requires the type of permit just because t he**faci~ity** 

### is a 

### u jor source . The major source tor the 

### country , fo r the e ntire count ry , 

### i s 10

### ton:~ of individual



### VES 004520l 

### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 15 

### 16 

### 17 18 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 CAAPP or 25 tons of total C AAPP emitted**f~** 

### the 

### facility. So this is 

### a tbiesbold to be 

### reasonable for th e Title v

### proq~am and this is the only

### pol~utant that mak es thiS facility major source and eligib le for the 

### Ti tle V program. (BY HR. 01\AGOVI CII): I' 11 try to address the 

### question on e•ergency r espo nse and 

### secUrity issues. 

### The fac il ity is**r~ized** 

### to have contingency plan or emer9ency response plan to 

### address differ ent scenarios tha t 

### could happen, fires , explosions, releases, and a copy of 

## th;t plan has 

### to go to everYbodY that w ill 

### be involva4 in respondinq to that emerqency, such ·as loc al tire dep artme nts , police**departa~nts,** 

### a hospital that they plan on taking people to, and an emergency 

### contractor th at may be Called upon to respOnd to 

### the plant. AQd**t~en** 

### our hop e i s that cbey 

### wi ll comment
on that plan i f the plu is not · 

### adeq\uate. We compare the plan to the**ecJula~ory** r equirements • . 

### but beyond that tbe 

### local fire 

### department would 

### look At that 

### plan, it's their responaibility to deal td th evacuations off site. And th ey have·



### VES 0045211

' 2 3 4 5 6 7 

## e 9 

### 10 11 

### 12 1 3 14 

### 15 16 17 1 8 19

· 20 

### 2 1 22 23

. 24 

### 25 coordi nation**19~nts** 

### among them5 elve6 as to h o v**~he y'** **ll** 

### fi9ht fi res a nd do e vacu at i ons an d then thQ tocl.li t y**1t~e1f** is requi
. re<l to annually sond


### an update of t h 4t 

### conti ngenc y plan to those peop le and qivo thY the opportunity to cOlli!Mtnt on and


### co.e and ioepeet the 

### plant &S 

### nece ssary. 

### As fa % a e th e**se~ity** 

### is suas qo, 

### thor• are requlatory**requi~ements** tbat tbe**faci ~ity**  bo 

### secUred.**No~lly** 

### they use sev eral di ff•renc tbinga, fences,**qua~ds,** 

### security cam.c• s , and the y have to m a ,

ko thoaa re quirements betora a**pc~lt** 

### w

i ll b e ias uod. ( BY HI\ , B&UlGOIISKY) : I wou l d li ke t o ona.ke a 

### br ief oo ftMant**~ut** 

### dioxin emissions**~o m**  

### the
sow:co. current ly unde .r: tbe RCRA re.91Jlations -.. e don • t have any**dio n** **e.i~si on**  levels 

### concentration 

### tor this, and 

### under tbe new promulgated KACT 

### stand ard
_ USZPA 

### established ellission lilldt.tions ,. inc l ucling d.iorl o.s -- a.nd by 

### the w ay, USEPA · just propos ed sone tiNe 

### ago 

### different eMiesion

-- 

### feder a l**e~ssion** 

### standards for h azardou8 waate, comb ustions a s we 

### aeo today**~** 

### chemi c a l w a ste**in ein** **era tio** **~d evices**  

### tor comM:reial ao li d**~Hste** 

### i nc i nerators for different qro up of i n ci neration devices, whi c h c ertain



### VES 0045221 2
. 3 4 

## s 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 H 

### 15 16 17 18 

### 19 20 21 22 23 

### 24 25 

### emission lev•le including dioxins, so basically w e moved non- roqulatod &rea& for different pollutants, 1neludin9 dioxins, to

### regu~ated are&s. So

### ~aically**~e** just

### follow~d what the OS£PA la d
. oinCJ and just follollinq thair st&n<14rd and iiii!Pluaentinq the standar ds in I ll.i.noi.& , and in tbe 

### St. LOuis

### •~~a. I

### bel~eve St. Louis, baving a n\llllbe.r 

### ot heal.th care facilities and bospltala, and I '• not auz:e in "is souri , bot probably .ocUeal wast• inc
.1ner ato ra

### a~;e in operat ion in thl.a area omittinQ

### ce~tain**~unts** of d i oxins
. 

### (BY HEARING OFFICER

### MA~ESIAN**:** 

### Thank you. Next :t ha.va M.r. Robert Freeman l.isted. 

### CBY HR.**ROB£R~** 

### FREf;MAII) : Thank you, Hr. Beacin9 

### Officer, {or provi din9 tbiG

### for~, toniq.ht. Hy o&M i.a Robett

### ~' F -R

- S-S-M-A-N, and I live 1.D Madison county and r vo u.ld Uk• to

## cQCNr~Cnt a littl.e bit

## ~n the pre-se ntatioa of tho Meti.n9· &arly on ve coul.d not near a.n.ythi.n9 at 

### all. I

### ~**1urprla~** tb a t you didn't 

### have ony graphics or visuaLs to present to help the peoplO under#tand a little bit more what the issue ia 

### about. A lot of U8 AX8 

### laype r sons th •t 

### don't upderat•nd all of the

### techa~cal babbl1oq t hat's



### VES 004523

# ., 1 

### 2 3 

# • 5 6 1 8 9 

## lO ll '12 

### 13 l4 

### 15 1 6 

### 17 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 

### go in g on.**~a** 

### don't understand the acronyms totall y, so we would app r eci& t e i f you had more 

### inforMation that va s avail ab l e in advance. &aeh of t he presente r s xead directly from
some prep r•pared

### te~**t** that you had 

### and

### ~ w ould reapectfuly

### r~est that at

### l~t**~self** receive a copy of your prlnte4 text prior to oaldn9 fina l comM-DU in 30 cU.ys. And I vo u.ld also x:equ.est that you 

### offef t hat 

### same privilege to any other 

### citiz•n here that feels like they would like to read

### ~xe directly , b ecause it's

### ba~ to 

### comprehend 

### if you are w alki ng in here cold , and you folka work w ith this

### ~very**da~** of the year and you know che

### to~ an d

### e~**rythinq** and · you knOW what's qoing on -

### ~.so, I'D going 

### oo 10 

### yeus: old and. 1 c&'n't

· read all of the aaeerla.l• that yoU present throu;b the t.ntexnet. 'fbO yoUf19&r folks cal\ do tba.tt well,
u s ol.de r f'olk.a c&JU'IOt. do that. I think that there should bl 100re p l "ce3 avo.Hable for pooplo to 

### a cquire the

### prin~ed**info~tion** thAt ls available
on the draft , aod I'm not sure of wh ether o r not 

### tho Libra r y 

### ot

### ~ecord at Soutbarn Illiooia 

### Oniveraity of Edwa.rds'V-ill e ha s a copy of thi a whore one can CJO 

### ia and read t.hi.s.



### VES 00 452 41 2 

### 3 4 

## s 6 7 8 9 

### 10 ll 1 2 1 3 1 4 

### 15 

### 16 17 18 19 20 

### 21 22 

### 23 2 f 

### 25 I**ould** 

### request that

-- be cause of sOP& of these iasues that t•ve menti oned, that you e x tend 

### the**c~nt pe~iod**  

### an addi t ion al 

### 30 d a y s and mak o it a 60 day period and that wi l l give your people tLmc to print out 

### and mail to**tbos~** that rcquoat 

### the lnformat Lon that 

### are qiven additional time to do a.o-e conaiderinq on 

### it. One tbi
. n9 that pu2.z.led De w as the tact that

- a.nd r forget w ho it was tbat said tbat a.ll


### o f tho**pe~te,** 

### four permits , are conso lidated into one 

### permdt, and to**~** tha t 

### seemG a 

### littlo , b i t not , ln l inO with tfh at Citizens w-o u ld l ike. If**'~th~9** 

### cha nqea 1 n any one o f the**lou~** 

### dift: orenc pe:m.lt requ.i
. remente , how vou ld we do ' that? Would you have t.o bold another ent ire tneeti.n.q lik e tonigbt to do that? 

### So, I would r eQUe$t 

### that

-- it's 

### probably a little thln9, but t 

### w ould stLll likt to requeat 

### that tbeao**vario~s** 

### areas of**~ce rn**  

### bere, the various pe:t'lrlit
. s would be s egrega ted and each time that on , yx or e.ny**o~r** eoq:>any decided to chanQe 

### theix equipment or their input**o~** 

### fuol or tho 

### toxic w aste of ' differen t**proces ~cs** **,** 

### y ou knOW, 

### they Would be handled 

### a.s an individual permit. Alao, I did n ot understand the does not and



### VES 0045251 2 3 4 5 6 7 

## s 9 1 0 11 1 2 1 3 1 4 

### 15 16 17 18 19

. 20
.



### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 

### does all that

### ~body t al ked abo ut , and I wo uld**~ike~ ~a** **et** 

### on th at . perhaps
.

### i~ing up in Madison County we'r• in a 

### nonattainment area , St. 

### Clair county he re 11 non ### attainMen~ a ir qua4ity area, Jersey CoUnt y 1a e county v itb a

### ~11-**~tioo** and virtu&.llY no tnctust.J:y, no aiqnifieant i.ndu&t.ry, i. a a non 

### a ttainaant area**~** 

### on**~ed** 

### alert daya for**o~ono,** JerSe y County get. ' hit haxd , · and v bat it 1s, it'•


### as you deccr1be4 i n a previous

### .eeti~g re cently, you are gotting t .: a.noport&d f>:Ol
. lution frOII othor


### araas - - &a 

### tho people fr om st . LOuis s poko of we' re CjJB: tti'ng tranaport. e(l polluti o n "f i tnin the Mtr:o east a . re.• i nto Ma.dison County a nd i nto Jereey Co un ty and into CalhoUn County , which 

# ia not .,.n daa i Qn&t.ed
. , a.nd in 

### Macoupi.n county, ao
-we • re gett.inq those are.a.s of uansp0rted pollution 

### into those counties

### And l would li k a

### i~fo**~t oo**  on

### t•**~** that

### o~ quya uaod on thi & t ranspOrted 

### thing, and I 

### bol1av e it's • w i nd

### ~ection and X bel ie ve you 

### ref0rred co i t 

### as a w ind rose, R-0

- S

- E, t hat c;10ean' t make: a.ny ' aans e to me, bu t that's the 

### direction of tb•

### di~ferent winds

### ~a**t** go into different a,reas.



### VES 0045261 2**~** 4**~**

· 6

7 8 

### 9 10 11 

### 1 2 1 3 

## i 4**~**

. 1 6



## l7 1 8 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 23 24**2~** 

### I li ve with i n a m i le of Jersey County and Madison county and I brinq my w ife a l ong wi th me of 

### 49 years, she"s been on oxygen 

### tor about 10 years now, 2 4 hours a day, and I · ' a f p:c e t t :y sur e 

### i t's transported po ll ution f r om Mi ss ouri. P

ortag e des S i oux pow er p l ant i s right a c r oss the
r iver
. We • re i n a nonattainotent are a anywhere in St
. C l a-i r or are we t alkinq about inc r eas i nq th e**po lu** **~on,** o r w hat is it t hat we •v e don e ? 1 think t her e**tr~ as**  ·a denia

_ l t ha t i t would i n cre a s e any poll u ti on, bu t l ' m n Ot quite a .s confid e

_

nt as yo u
a.re that that is 9? i n9 to happe n .**oo ~n**  th e r oad I believe back into Madiso n County is a faci l ity 

### dovri there , Chemeteo, you're pr · obablY a l l fu i liar wi th that**~g y**  vo r d, 

### C

hemetco**In ustrie~**  

### went down bard, t hey made a l o t of**miatak~s ·**  

### they did a lot of po ll uti ng over t he years, an d**r·~** 

### real l y not co n fident i n the job**~ha t**  the I l l i no i s .BPA did on 

### · the Chemo t co

### tbi~, 

### an d I bel ie ve nsgp_A eventual l y had t o step down 

### on th e s ituation and 

### the y' re cl ose d 

### down**rigbt no** **.** I: n the ease ot: onyx I •m concern e d about 

### industri e s walking away and 

### leav i ng, just leaving t he p ollUtion, and they close down and tb ey qo 

### bankrupt ana I don' t know 

### what**~otections** 

### w e h av e



### VES 0045271 2 3 4 5 6 7

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9 

### 10 11 1 2 13 14 

### 15 16 17 

### 18 19 

### 20 21 22 23
. 

### 24 25 that onyx wi l l cont inue to be a g ood citizen in the community
. 

### In th e loc al area, for instanc e, the Le ad W

orka shut down, 

### we have tvo · Guinness world record s in Alto n, th e y hav e the talles t livin9 man
w

ould be Robe rt Wadl ow, 8 foot 11 inches, w e have the talles.t :si\OKe stack.a in th e wo rld, the Lead Works, and th ey w alked away from it. The Tanne r y
w

al ked aw a y C.t Ofll that in Hartford , th e Box Boar d 

### w

alk e d a w ay fr o m their facility in Al ton ,**~** steal mil l w alked a wa y from th9ir**cil y**  and jus t clo sed th e door and shut it down , the glass company 

### d i d the same thin g 4**Mba~** 

### protection do ve have**f~~ th~**  type 

### of
.**co~ ate** **insensitivi ~**  to the ·**viro~nt?** So, that•s about a ll
. I have. But I
. hope to hear so.e 

### connents later on in 

### th e qU e stion and Answers
. Thank y o u. (BY H&ARING OFFIC E R HATOESIAN) : Thank you , 

### Mr. 

### F reeman. we •1 1 res pond to 

### those qUestions in the question and answer section
. The next paper t hat I have is

- I belie ve it • s 

### Aa
. ron Maxey. (BX MR

.**~)** :. . Good**ev ng-** **.** That' s Aaron 

### wi th an 

### A, M -A-X

- E-Y. I**re~resent** 

### a



### VES 0045281 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 ll l2 

### 13 14" 

### 15 16 11 18 

### 19 20 2 1 22 23 24 25

### ~unity of &ast · st. Loui s in the

### to~~ of Metro 

### HO PE · formally known as Projeot HOPE, and I hav e a cOuple

### ~eation~ for you thiS 

### eYening. Fir at 

### ot a.J.l, from my

### unctex**ta.nditu~** thero' a approltima t ely 16 sites in the U nited S ta tts 

### tor

### incine.Ca~r• and 1 vo.s vonde.rinq vbat is the 

### actual dlatance to the

## closes~**~ty** around thO.se other l6 altes o r other 15 sit.e&. I Jtn ow thero'a a lo · t here, but in proxiJIIity or distanc e 

### w

ise, vha t l e the eloa.a t

### c~nity to these oth•r sitea that

### ~$Y not be 

### in th i s area? Tbat ' s a 

### qu es tion that can be 

### answered latOr. 

### And the eecond question i.s, 

### what doe s previous hlatory as re1ate s to t hese companies, these lndusttie.a , played a 

### part in actuallY receiving a perait? ( BY REAAIIIG OFFICER MMO£Slllll l : Thank

### yo~>, Kr. KAKOY.

### ~&in, ve will cove.c tbose i.n the que_stion and answer section
. The nu t opeaker 

### then il 

### Mr. Bruce Nil le s 1 

### I believe.**{BY~-** 

### NILLES): Hy naae is Br uce N illoa , N-1

- l• · L

- E

- S, I'• 

### an at. torne y wi th the Siecra Club 

### bA sed in Chicago, I'm responsible to wotk tn clean air iasuu thro\!9hout the s · tat.e of I llino ia. Siexc a C lub is abQut 26 thous and

## ~rs here in



### VES 0045291 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9

, 10 11 

### 12 13 H 15 

### 1 6 11 18 

### 19 20 21 22 23 

### 24 25 this at.ate a nd 100 thousand nation w

ide, and '"'
wo E ked tor tho last thtOO decad e $ t o he lp p&,a t ho 

### Clean Air '-Ct and continue its enforceMnt, 

# aO we very aueh would li ke

## ~ thank 

### you all 

### fo r t3kinq the tiM to he.&-J: th& public aoc1

### ~o receive 

### coaraent e on tbeae tw o baz.a rdous was te and 

### c l ean air pa<JOita
. Ybat

### said**~** there v as a few thingS

### s~**abOU~** this p rocess t hat have not been a good 6xample of 

### bow to do outte.cb. tixst of all , thi& per.i t 

### 1a five ye ars l•te. The state b8s refused to 

### i nves t 

### the :te.aou rco :s to is s ue permJts tllat. s

_ hould have been iaa ued in 1998. The

## feder~**l** EPA atood by and et-uck their he.&d in tbe sand and did o.othil\9 a))Out it. For tive yeat's this tacl.lity baS oper•ted

w

itbout a**pe~it .**  

### secondly, tbe 

### pe cmita issued, people who, bave tri ed to read thMl. there• s a l ot 

## ot. j a..cqon in

## ~ore**,** there• a .any 

## ., .ys tQ

## s~**i"t.e** to put 

### st uff i nto pla i n Enqli sb, that vould make & 

### w oxld of diffaren ee . I 

### "?uld ask any o f the 

### xepor ter! he , re to tak8 a look at these

## pe~its**~o** see 

### if they

## UQde**xata ~d,** **,** because the

## who~e p urpose of

## he~e**pera~ita** ia tor eoGIIlU!1ities to UD.derstand that. saok.e stackS in the,ir fa.cili ty and i n their



### VES 0045301 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 1 2 13 14 

### 1 5 16 11 1'8 

## i9 20 21 22 

### 23 24 

### 25**co~unity,** 

### wh at is coming out of it, 

### what are the**l~its ,**  

### and wha t can I do if soaethiog goe3 w ro09, 

### and that ' s not nooc aaar i ly unde rstood at all in the t w o pendta**~h~t** ue out there
. An oth•.r thing on pz:ocess. The RCRA pexmit, the aecond perait, why wasn't it pu:t up on the web? 

### I appr.c'lat.e aoae 

### people don • t 

### have ac:cea• to the Web, but I v as told the place I had to 90 

### qet
- it v a• tbe 

### OSEPA headquarters io Chicago. First 

### ot all, I had aet 

### a.o appointment, the.n th ey c:ha.r9ed mo 1 5 eent-e a page for each copy, 

### that•a 240 

### paqea jast f or t h e permit
. There' s a**bo~** of**~teriala ,**  just t he perait alone cost 35 

### dollars to 

### qet • copy 

### of**i~.** 

### That's not publi c access. Why 

### was n' t · the RCRA 

### permit pu t 

### up? That'• not enqaqing in 

### hOnest pu?lic outreach
. There's lliasing records, enfo rcement records. II biq 1
.. 11<1 tonigbt io 

### c:.in th io 

### c:oaop&ny be 

### truated
. to prol:lect our c oa.u o i ty . !bose w e r e not organi- %e d and. Nny of
.**the~~~** were aiasiog
. fcom tbo 

### pub lic fileJ. We know 

### tbat in 2000 tbe**S~P A**  

### 8tepped in and said we' re going to do 

### a multi med ia and**~nopc ct**  you r facility, and b
. ave the air,


### w

ater, 

### and va ate 

### fol ks coma out and t ake 

### a look 

### at tbio, and tbey 

### apent two 

### days investigat J. ng tbat



### VES 0045311 

# • 3 4 5 6 

# , 8 9 

### 10 ll 

### 1 2 13 14 .15 16 

### 11 18 19 

# fo 21 22 2 3 

### 24 25 

### facilitY in 7.000
. 

### Mhe re

### ~ that repO rt? App are n t l y the draft report w a s not allowed to , see 

### the dra ft report. Why 

### is there no

## acees~ to those

## ooc~nta? It 's 

### not io the r ecords, w e 

### reqpoaiod it a_nd i t v as Ckltde<i. say · ing it was

## e.nforc~nt sen sit i ..,... fb.at v as three years aq o. tfby ba\r• v o 

### not been 9
. 1 ve n access to

## tho~**e** records? And tl'\eo • coup l e of points abo\lt e.xlat i n<J

ru l e s. Tbe US£PA said

## ~at**~-e** were rul.U 

### deai9nod to protect the

## p~lic, those MACT rules


### are interim r.ule a .

## ~bey are

## inter~**rul e~**  bOc•uae the 19 90 rules wa re set aside by the court of Appeals in D.C • • end we sued an d

## d t hcy ' wer•n't 

### protective of

## h~n health and env1ron.e nt t the

## C®~t a9 r · eed and issued standard.$ a.nd 

### ue now i n 

### the proc ess of issoinq final , so 

### to say it ' s 

### protec tive ia aisle&dinq. · so bare

### ~ ilr& w l t..h 

### thB. Sie.rra C l ub in a somewh a t

## uniqu~ pOsition asking

## fo~ you to d eny

· those p erJ\its. W e are a5ki.nq y ou to 5 hu t this

### tacili~Y down. This
. iS a big

### ~t•P for us, 

### we oo n• t usually sa y the only

## ~s**er** is to shut the .., d o vn, it's us ually put up sa.e new

## poll~tion eo n t:rol iteru, P:&Y
. a finft, and qat into 

### c:ouc>ll.,ncc. But 

### here i s wby

. we • 

### re a..sidnq t o dAny



### VES 004532'· 1 2 3 4 

## s 6 1 8 g 

### 10 ll 

### 12 1 3

. 14 

### 15 16 11 18 

### 19 20 2 1 

### 22 23 2t 

### 25 the**pe~n lta** **.** 

### w e h-,ve been 

### digging th%ough the 

### records, as disor9anized 

### as th ey are, w e f ound 135

### ~iolations, and we're

### ati~l co un tinq. In 20 ye&ra they b.avo llad 135 vlo
. lations. wo•ve bad vorkexs

### h~

### 1 v e• ve had dozens of explosioM, we've had pa.llets of pesticid.e .- aate
ca

" t.ch fire, the l ist goe.s on. Me have thea falsifyl"9 doCuiO&Ats. If yo u N>d I falo!.fled taX rQ:tums what ha.ppens to us? We go to jail. What

### b~pened 

### to Onyx? They get a slap
.on t be**~1at.** 

### In 1990 the , State Attorney**Gener~l** 

### at the

### ti~e impoaed a court order for vio latio no

### ~t**1nq** back before 1990. A year l ater the Attorney General 'ffaa bac k ln court bQ:cause they refused to abide by 

### the 1990 court order , charged. 

### wi til 

### tllrM point four aillloo in fines
. I.f you loo:k at vh on

### ~y ot those violations

### occurr~ right alter 

### 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 

### dozens more**~iolat1ona.** clna
. rly they didn't qet tbe. MeSSage.



### tn the

### ~id 1990's, 19 95, the EPA slapped them with o 35 hunijred do1lar 

### fine
. w hich ia ridiculous , p€obably didn't cover their le wy er• - This is a 10 millioo dollar operation. If y ou w ant to iMpOse penalties and .e&n

### somethinq~ it 

### haa to bu.tt. And bow &anY tilDeS do 

### we qet a c..o-pa.ny



### VES 0045331 2 3 4 

## s 6 7 8 

### 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 

### 15 16 

### 17 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 viol a te the

### la~ which

### ~hr**atens** t h e community and i t 

### cont i nue to do 

### w hat 

### tbky• £ e doing? We said 

### enoug h i s enough. Two weeks ago to the c r edit of the Attorney General, · 4Lsa Madi gan did impose a half mill l on dollar fino tor vio1&tions between 1996 an d 1998
. That 

### s t ill leaves all of th e v iola tions si nc e 1998. And so he r e we - as:e today, ve • re vo:(Jc.ing · out 

### OSEPA baa a webs ite that says th e y 

### haven't been in s i qni fi cant noncompliance basically since 1991. I n 2002 the I&PA lists 22 ongoing violat i ons. 

### so wha t . are vo waiting fo r? Tbey're ttot getting the mes· sage with these penalties. 

### Y

ou have two 

### cas e s, we · urqe y9u to shut them down
. If Ue r e .is fa l sification of doCunmts 

### if's ti.Jno to put s ome one in j&i l. If you Ar\d I do that


### we go to j a.il
. Why not Onyx? 

### The notion that w e can rely on existing
e n . force.nent · peop l e to p t:otec t us i s really misleading. There are 11 major sources of ai r

### pol**ti ~n** **·** and watet: pollu tio n in

### sau~et 17. I n 

### the last t vo years less than half of**th~** 

### have been

## in~pected**.** That

## ~~~ean**s** you a..re

## insPect~n<J th e facility l ess than every two years. lnd what do



### VES 004534/ 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 

### 8 9 

### 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 l1 1 8 19 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 24 

### 25 \li e · have hera out 

### ot w ashi ngton D. C. , the

### ~sh · 

### Admin istration wants to cut resources, 

### so you bav G
even**1~18 dollar~**  

### to protect our communi ties. 'tho bottOIQ line is this oocupany deJDOnstra tea it

### c~**t c~ly**  w ith the 

### la w. Ne 're de ali ng w ith very to • ic

### ~terials, the most dan9erous

### aatexia~s to

### b~,**dio~.** fucans,

### ~cury, it 

### doesn't 9et any w ox• t· It baDftl!:d

### wor~ers a.nd released doz.ena of c:louda of smoke over the nei.qhborhood. 00 .,e 

### need dead bodies? How .any more violat io ns**~o** 

### we
oee d? Is 135 not enough? Wbat is enou9h? I'd 

### appreciate an ans w er 

# •s to when 

### do va s ay they•vc

### sac~Liicod, they r$ l inquished, they

### fo~feited theia::: right to Ol)er•t&

-- o r their priv

- Ueqe. 

### It's not a riqht , it's a pr i vil&;e
. Pa&t of do ing busilleaa ia you aqree

### ~ COJIIPly
. Tbey failed to eoapl.y, ao 1 ULCJ• you to, in tbe interest of the

### c~ity &t la.rcJe• that these cbeaical5 don't 

### ju s t stay in Sau;et, they don't juat stay in St. Louia, mercury travels around the 9lobe. I ur9e 

### you to do what you have th e authority to do 

### and shut the facility dOwn and pxotect all of us 

### trom onyx.. 'thank you. (BY HEARING O!'i'ICER HATOE SIJ\N) : Thank you, M.r. M Ules. The nut speaker i s JilP 8ensun.



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### 10 1l 

### 12 13 l4 

### 15 16 

## lJ 18 19 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 24 

### 25 (BY HI\. BENSMAII): My """" is Jim BeOSOWln, 

### I'• 

### conaervation c hair**fo~** 

### the Piasa Palisades**oup** 

### of the SieJ:r& Club and w e w oul d like tor: 

### you

·- to roqu&st that you d eny these

### pe~ta**~** 1 would al ao point out that I, t . oo, could not 

### underGtand .es t of the 

### presentations,**th~y** 

### v ere incoquehen•1ble with all t.he noise -.nd th• poor sound eyatea i n here, vh.ich 1 thi
. nk chat tbat v.u not accept.abl.e
. ).n(1 I'sn just lfOndering ho v many ot: you would 

### live**ith** 

### your family next to thi s place? In the question a . nd anBware 3 ection I would

### li~e for each 

### of yo u to a&y**hetb~r** 

### or not you w ou14 li ve . ne x t to it. 

### Th&nk you. (DY H£AAI IIG OFFICER MATO&SIANI : Thank you, HJ:. 

### &cn.anan. we have Or- Blount. (BY DR. BLOORTl: Good 

### e-!'in9· 1 ' • Or. Lee 810\IDt, 1 1• • retir6d su.rg40n and now for the lo
. at 12**y~a** I've been ·· in alt.e.rnative ...ed.icitle, specifically propbil3ctic and prcventat1va. I'm a 

### member of a**gr~ss ~oot**  

### com-un ity baaed orqan i t.ation in 

## ' st. Lou i s an cl Vo don't

### ro:rt~ict 

### ottrselvee just to St
. Louis , but 

### th a Metro ar ea. Racon tl y beceuse of the ongoing effort over a 

### couple 

### o t years the peop1e in here in the audience



### VES 00 4 536l 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 12 1 3 14 

### 15 16 

### n 18 19

. 20

21 22 23 

## a 25 

### have been wo rkin9 for the last thxee or**fou~** 

### year= to ga t
- - apecifically ov e r tbe last two y•ars, a medical wa1te 

### incinera tor in St
. Loui a ·- some of you all uy know abou t tMt

-- they "'ere burn ln9 •dical w aste tr011 the ho.spitals over in N orth St. tou l .s in a.o area ebat hous es the very lov i acotne, ainorities, a.n.cl people vithout a. voice. TvO**~r~&jor ~e&l**  

### pe4iatric bosplt&ts vere from the other city areat. So beeauae of the publ.ic -· and I •ee 

### that 

### one 

### ot your t:eCJUl &t .ions, I think tbe CAAPP, says tnat tho permits a.re enforceable by tllU public. Tho people h ear, and**th&t~s** w hat**happe~cd.** 

### We 90t to the politicians, we embarrassed somo,•we had 3Gme that CODe on, and we pu t pressure. I Ma

_ n, v o had people**fr~** all over, ve hild wa•h U la. w s-tudent•, -d stud.elat.s, ve bad pelltic.ia.ha, ve had w elfare .otMrs, 

### we had everybOdy, and 

### we 90t the. to 

### cl ose do wn 

### the oedieal w aste i ncioer• tor. What 

### they were doinq is 

### they were buxning Medica l


### w

aste, but wha t 

### they do now is autocl
. a v e, wh ich ia Auch, Much better, w e don't get this toxic wa sta**f~OM** 

### the stack s . So that ' • one of the point.s I wanted to uka 

### to the 

### pub l ic, because real.ly we' re the 

### ones that



### VES 0045371 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 12 13 l4 l5 

### 16 l7 18 

### 19 20 

## :h 22 23 

### 24 25 

### are affe cted. Tbe point that va s mentio ned

### abou~ where , you Li v e. For sure many of these plan to are 

## t.i low incOG\e, po verty, l'linority

### ~a.s**.** the r• ar• 

### none in the suburbs or Creve C oeur , rront&nac, it 

### you know 

### thea• areas. 

## we all knov, even**i~** you are a laype r son, you don't have no aedic.l «lationship at all in teras
o f back9-round 1 but ve be ar the vord lead
. , ae.c cury , and dioxin, w e kno"' that: th ey don't sound 9ood., they don • t sound like vegetables and food and l.o v fat that•s goocl fo r y our health. 

### Wo

### kno~**th~t** d i oxin, and th i s

### ant w a a q oi ng

### h~t 

### w as qolnq ori in 

### th is plant here,

### ~he canCer aide affects, the astbN, the b1

_ rth · defect•, t he neu.toloqiea.l defects, the

### :~te.t**ility** clefec:.ta. Lead ia just · a real

- - 

### we now are tacUin9 th• l ead aituaUon in St. LOuis. That's


# • 'hex• 11eo are nov . ADd the m.inorlrl e.s io St. LOu.la and the nation al averaqe is 12 to 14 perce-nt

### involve~nt of

### youngs~eFS in 

### indUstrial cities, 

### and certain areaa of St
. Louis is 25 p e rcent of tho k ido ore lead po i sOned
. 

### ·so I'm sure**thee~** 

### fita with**thi~** 

### area , t oo.

### ~d •• v u said by soae others, thi
. s it a regional area , the po llu tants don't just atay in



### VES00 4 5381 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 1 2 13 1 4 15 1
. 6 11 18 19 

### 20 

### 2 1 22 23 

### 24 25 St. 

### Louis, they don't j us t stay i n S&uqet , they


### are 

### all**ve ,**  

### tha y travel world wide, not to**~ention** 

### the situation t hat Kathy LOgan talked about. so this l& a significan t**s~ tuation**  that'G going on a

_ nd. becoainq epidem.ic in certain areas. 

### Chilctroft , aot.har• have lead, but 

### they have**e»~** bitth c•to a.n<l prsatuce birt.bs
. 'fbes e kid.s havtt
ne urolOCJiC 

### 6e t ecu . 11:\Qse are t:be gross de.fcc t. a, 

### but one of the moat i nc i dious de f ects 

### i$ the lC!i arni n q d 11J3b1li t.i ea . Jl.nd these are many tiiMIO not not od
. they 've tracke d a lot of the4G**youog st** **x~** 

### an d th ey•ve found out that this otaya
on into adulthood, this child**co~ldn 't**  

### learn or his 1 0 "' • · • '75 , but they hav e done GODe etudies and
res e&r 'Cb ahowa that a lo t o f these a r e lead kid.f, and ao we' re qetti n<J

### tbe~e**pol~utan ts** **,** be&lcku the l ead pt.i.n t , but we're gett.i.ng it fro. 

### die .stacks. So in elos lnq 1 w o uld**~ike** to say 

### that I thin k eOM ti»e
. s ve t..ho pub lic ve don' t kaow ho w

### pOWOEf~l we 

# are. Me 

### don 't 'know

-- 

## weil, I anea.n pO li tic i ans liat en to the public
. 1 appreciate you a l l be i n9 here, it ' s your job, bu t 

### it ' s l i k e . you 

### kno w, 

### everYbOdY in · he re , especially
. tha publi c , the people i n the comMUnity, they' r e LnPoxtaat.



### VES 0045391 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 11 

### 1 8 19 20 21 22 23 

### 24 25 

### And \otbco you put thO 

### pressure and , 

### enforce your own re9ulationa and say that th e permit 

### is enforceable by tho publiC, it state• 

### it there. So 

### I just e..ncollr&9Q you to get invo lved, beeau.&e i t' 4 not 9oitLq t o happ&l'\· t'hi a pla

_ nt i s not qo i ng to close.. teo v ue :re&df to just lie down in t.M 

### straot over in S t. 

### Louis, I 

### v a s. 1 went 

### to j a 1 l to r pro ject..s li ke this. so so.etimes you Mvo t o do that
. beCause o verybody bas a £ig h t t o li"o a full Hf<i, but if you h&ve people dyin9 at 30 and 

### 40 

### of c•n car , and 1 know that w hen I was doing tradit1onal

### ~Ddieine, I saw a lot o f t hese people , 

### and now r•••arch is e bowinq that 

### a lo t 

### ot t his 1 3 ·
r e14t.ed t.o to x ic dyafunc t io n.s. Tbanlc : you. (BY I!EAAlNG OFFlCEil MAroBSIJINl ' Tha.nl< -you, Or- Blount- Nov Jl. ll Ki l ler v:ould

### i~ to speak
. (BY KS. MILLBitl: !<y na&e i s ..:Jill K11ler, J-t-L-1.,

### M-1-L-lr-**&- ~.**  on e of the easie ; r naaDa to apel l. I' 111. a eonie-.x:v atiOJ)

### o~er for

### ~

· Sierr , a " club · in St. t..oui-5, 

### Missour i , and t • a representing t l'l e &astern MisSour i group, more t han 5 000 .amb ara thare. 

### I

### Q~e**w** up in S t . LOuis and I have

### t~ily i n the araa and tha.nb for letting M make •otM C

oanenta on t.hls very iJaportant i ssue.



### VES 0045401

· 2

3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11

. 1 2 1 3 14 

### 1 5 16
. 

### 17 18 19 

### 20 

### 21

. 22

23 

### 2 4 25 Those of us who liv e in 

### St. LOuis, we've beard on the evening**ne~s** 

### over**tim~** 

### abou c 

### exp l osions and re-le ases of poisonous ga . ses in this
a r ea, and t.te' ve been really concerned ,aboUt.. this**in ciOo** **ra~ or**  

### facility for some**t~.** 

### W e 've hea r d about wo rkers being**hospita i~&d**  

### and, you know, we heard th e**~nity** has been atfec t&d. 

### N

o one should bav e to live in ever present fear of explosions and rel eas es of to xi c substa nces i nto the ai r they breathe, and no one should go to bed 

### at night worrying abo u t when the**~t** on e is go i ng to**ap .**  

### And 

### Ony x Corpora ti on does**no~** 

### hav e a good 

### trac k r ecord- r epeated Violat i ons. and that seems t o jus t**b~** ao ongoinq problel\
. And you lulov , we 

### a r e al so concerned abou t the health ri s k s 

### t ram air po l lution, and they a r en't l imited to 

### this immediate vi ci nity, because the St. LO ui s area i s 

### affected on the other side of

### ~**c~ty .**  Thia in cinerator contr i butes to smog that 

### w e suffer with every , summe i , and ac cordipg to the**~can** 

### Lung Association of Easter n H1s&our i
ozooe travels with the 

### wind, and because o! this
ozone 

### cannot be**vi ~ed**  

### a s • strictlY local 

### problem
.



### VES 004541l 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 12 

### 13 14 15 "16 l1

· 18



### • 19 ·20

21 22 23 2( 

### 25 So BmoQ ia of -uch concern to tbo$e of us on 

### the Hi8s ouri aide 

### of the r i ver, and 

### smoq cauaea a

. hos t of breathing problems, inc luding more freqUent and more severe astluU. attacks. one study allows t.hat there is a direct lioJc. between 

### days v ben there's •**b~gb** 

### ozone**leve~** 

### and _.oxge oc y rOOID

### ta fo r respiratory probleM· Lalit su-nnar one of those eaerqetl<:Y

### ~ Y" i Sita on a day t ha- t was coded a.n Oranqe Alert day


### was my niece, who w aa 14 monthS old at the ti.e. 

### And abo doesn't live in S t. LoUis, bar family U
. ve o at 4D

## Ai~ E'o:rce b&.se v b.e.re h ar father ia iJ\ tho service.

### ~hey w ere in St. LOuis v isiting , and

w

ithi.n 2 4 hours of

## ~ell. ar:rivinq she had. to be rusbod to

### ca**din•~** Glennon cbildxen's

### aoap**~t l**  by 

### -lance. Slle lUid 

### luld respuatory probl- 

### st.nc e she w u born, but 

### thie was &n 

### unu.sua.l.lY severe attac k , and he r condition did. iJaProvc, but she had

. no choice bUt 

### tO play indoO:t S for the t'eoSt of ber

visit. 

### So there are

### thous~ds of children &nd

' elderly people and People

### ~ith**~espitatory** illness

i n the St. t.ouia area \fbo l i ve here year roW'Id and
are 1ufferi
. nq: from smog problems 1n st. LOuis. And 

### thia incineratoE does contribUte to the



### VES 004542I 2 3 ' 4 5 6 1 8

· 9 10 ll 

### 1 2 13 14 

### 15 16 

### 11 18 19 20 21 

### 22 23 24 25 proble.a, and ao qranting 1110re poll. ution perml.t, a
w

ill only continu e to 11ak.e the proble;n worse. So · wa are aakirt9 you to deny t he ae pexllit
. a 

### a nd w e're asking tor t be plant to be 

### s hut do w n du e to i ta repo• ted**~iolations.** 

### Thank yo u. (BY lWIIUNG OFFJCEll HATOESIAlll : 'fho.nk you, M

iss Hil l ex. Do you vl.sb to ..,e.ak no v ? (B

Y MS. I(JU'IIl' ANDIUA ) : My na.e is Katby

### An~ia, Kathy w it

h a

### . Andr i a w i th •n 1. I'• w ith the ·AMrican Bottom**conae.rv~cy .**  0\lr orqanizi a tio n i a a con servation organiz
. a.tion baaed 

### i n E ast St. Louis and 

### we vo r k to protec t the coJJJDunity 

### ot the re sources of ths AJnO ric an Bottoll Flood Pl4n , Abou t eight ye&r5 aqo I 

### was wo r king on an 

### incinCxator, w or

king to stop an incinerator from bei.CCJ built, and at t.Mt time I v a.s told that tb• EPA w as worJc.inCJ on a dloxiri doCUIQe.D t. We ..,. r;e 

### w

aiting, it 

### v as CJOing

### t.~ be 

### next montb , next mopth,**no~t** 

### nontb. It's eight**year~** 

### lator, 

# w • don • t have the dioltin d0C'\,111\e4t. 

### And I hear d

-- 1 

### don't remember who said it

- - but

### s~ebOdy sa i d that t hey w ere try in9 to have fa irness to tbe coq)a
. nies 10 that •11 

### ot 'the componi.,s would be t re.a. ted equally
. I.o se-qen,. eight years,**o~**



### VES 0045431 2 3 4 5 6 1 · 8 9 10 11
. 

### 12 1 3 14 1 5 

### 16 17 18 19 20 

### 2 1 22 23 24 

### 25**eve r** **~y a~a**  

### that**e** 

### hav e been w aiting fox the docUJftOn t , w hat about the pe.op 1 e? I JOeanr wo 4
.

re b re. a t binq this, our chi ldren aro ab sot b inq it**f~** 

### t heir .othe r's**,** 

### th e**~ther s**  

### are a.bsorbinq it. tM childr en, tbe fathers, evcxybody 

### is gettinq this 

### into our systee . It ' s 

### ch&Dging
v ha.t • • b.appe ni
. nq to childz:en**~s** they ue 

### bo.m
. Tbere'• a ne v study that MS. Logan**rc~erced** to, there a re st udies all the tiM that a re aayin<J diox i ns are very bad
. Dioxins cocoe from**in cino~a** **io .**  

### You know that , I know th at.**~Y** 

### are wo b ainq fair to the in dus· t rie:s? That isn ' t l ai r to anyone . 

### I have a c ombination 

### ot question• a nd**atat~nta,** 

### eo " I' » go ioq to kind o f dovet ail back and forth. You sa id t . bat thia i s the Clea.n AU Act 'fltle V. I've taken Title v training , I • ve ta ken t w o

• odtsbopa, one 

### waa: - I don t t evc.n r emeliber hov
..**ND~** 

### days, the**~er** 

### one was a couple**da ~.**  I 

### have documents li ke th is , I have**ret ~•noe**  

### b ooka , it's v ery**~itfie ult**  

### for citiZens to go through 

### piles of paper s , and I don't have an engi n eerin9 d eqree, 1 ' • a ci t ize n. I ' m vo lun teerinq for the 

### mst 

### part in everything that**~** do 

### v ith tho



### VES 00454 41 2 3 4
. 5 6 1 8 9 1 0 11 12 

### 13 14 15 1 6 17 18 

### 19 20 

### 21**~2** 

### 23 24

. 2 5 

### environment. tt •a really an un fair buxden to put
on citizens to bavc to enfo rce a**pt~rm it**  to l , ook 

### th roUQh and te ll · you wh at's**~rong, ·**  

### what you ahou ld be tellincJ 

### us, wh at you**shoul~** be tellinq the COCIIIPiiD)". There are lillli ts to thes• thingsOne of the thingG tbat bas happened., a good thiDCJ tha t baa llappued, finally the I.lli.no i s EPA bAs aA onviroNM'lnt ju st i ce policy. t•m va.:y bappy that ve bave an ebvi.t'o mte.nt jurt ice pO lic y , but
ca.n that. be u1ed to

### •~I?P a plant U ke th i•7 1 

### d on't think ao. A a r on M ax

ey and 1 w ere i n a .aeting w lt h env1ror\J\e nt justice groupo !rom


### aro und t he state and we**as~** 

### Re nne .Z i p ria no ( pbooet1cl, bow can**w~** us e this, can this atop a 

### f\e , f pl&n t frOIR bei.n; built i' f i t • s being pu t. i.nt:O 

### a.o uea. that i.s o.l.ready ovexburde nod? 

### w..u, ub, yo\1 tnov. Vb.at i• it fo r then? &a•t St. LOUis , S auget , cenueville, 

### W

ashioqton Park, all
. 

### o f these coaaunitie• on thil 

### side
. of tho ri ver, all of the peop l e l iving**ins~. Lou~s**  

### a re truly ov e rburdened by a l l of t b4 1 e chelaicals. 

### You**ve~e** 

### a ddres s ing**on~** 

### p lant , and 

### Mr 4 N i lles 

### aaid th ere' l 17**aou~ces ,**  

### that's
. ju st h ere , they 

### a.l"e across the 

### river , they're down 

### wind fcom N.ny;



### VES 0045451 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 1 2 13 14 15 

### 16 17 18 1 9 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 2 4 

### 25 many plants
. There's a new cement kiln that i s 

### qoinq in that is qoinq to be 

### s endin9 things our 

### way. Have you · addressed and are you add%essinq**~ulative** 

### eff ects when you 

## dO a hea l th 

### assessment? 

### Do you j ust do it 

### f or tha t ope 

### plant**~r** do you do it for say Big · River · s, Inc
. , a.nd Onyx and SO l utions , and on and on . T here are too many in this ci , ty and in Sa.
. uqet, in Granite Cit y , in 

### Wood River, in Hartford : T h ere are s o many . people 

### suffering · becaus, of lac k of ;egulation, 

### because of. quote, 

### fairness t o coiPorations , and too**~ny** children who are r eal l y hurting. Dy the way, Mr

. F reeman's · request f or an 

### additional 30**,** t 

### cOuld 

### use six more mon ths f r ankly. , When
. I came in I me.t up w ith the

. gentlemen w ho were with Onyx and they reminded 1M
. 

### that I**s** 

### one of three people
. at a hearing that they bad about five years ago . M y . father was dying at that tJJoe but tie was a troop$r, be went with
. M to all of these public hearin
. gs tllat I woul d qo to , and they re«''eeltbered 

### that
. B ut the · 

### thing that z eall y**putz e~**  

### me 

### is· one**~ t~**  

### things 

### we

· were asked to do, 

### since the old o per ators w ho
w

ete just fined 

### half a**mil~ion do~ars,**  

### the old


### ovners**e~e** 

### as k ed to drav a line and · 

### separate them



### VES 004546

# ..

·. 1 2 3 4 

### 5 6 1 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 1 3 14 

### 15 1 6 17 18 

### 19 

### 20 21 22 23 24 25 

### frQ40, thQ 

### now onea. But they 're the same

## opet&to~a. I 

### .ean ,

## th~~e wa s

## s~ kind of 49 

### percent , 51 

### percent, some kind o f ownership, I don't
. sea ho w the ehanqe in 

### owner ship-- it ' s the
sue plant., it 's the

### s~ .actu.nery. and it 'a tho 

### same operators. and .uch 

### of i t 1 

### thi nk is the 

### aame ud•siona.**~t** only do you tw.ve the. CUSEUlative eUoct•, but you h&ve ayno: rq.i ,ttic effects. What happens · whe.n tb.ia cbelllic:al me.eta 

### Up wi t h ·thla eheadcal l.n 

### the air? Ko w doee that affect the body ? 

### Have wo studied that? No , w e. r ea lly tiaven't. Wh e n, · by the w ay, are w e

### e~ting the dioxi n

### ~:epor-t:? Do

we lcnoll? (BY MR. VIctOIUNB) ' Up in Cbic"90 tbe 

### rcqiona1 o ffice ia not invo 1ved in 

### tbat, that 

### io 

### t..roa w aabinCJtDD D.C. W e're concerned iitbout that, too, about ho w 101'19 it's been tak.i.D9· My undareta.nd.ing is there's a dra ft out there t hat's •'\t&ilable, it's oa the

## tn~et and evo.iything eloe , that I thl
.nk io sti ll in public coaacnt. I


### w

ou1d li k e to see i t, 

### too. 1 agrea w ith you.**(B~** MS. Nf()IUAl' I do ' hOpe**th~t** tba oiUII6 peopla who took out tbe

### qlob~l wandt\9 prol>ldl f roe th• ne v policy are not the saae people that



### VES 00454 71 2 .3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 

### 1 2 13 14 15 16 

### 17 18 19 20 21 22 2 3 24 25 

### are rovievinq the**dio~in r~ort.**  

### Mh an w ae the health risk performed, health

### aases~n**t,** .nd 

### where is it? 

### I think someone indicated that there vas one , a

### ~isk analyaia? (8'! M!l. VICTORINE}: 'tes, there was a saeeninq analysle 4Qne. t ri.ll cheCk with ay 

### ...,.ge.oont aboUt it if you would liks a c<>PY. (BY t<S
. l\liOf(IAI : I really do tbi.nlt that the whole thinq 11 supposed to be p ubliclY

## eofo~ce&ble, but 

### it we don't nave a ll of tho

### doc~nt8 it 'S

### ~ery hard for us to know how to 

### comment, wha t to

## co~ent on, unless w 9 have all of 

### the mteria ls. lU\d Kr. i'r · eeN-n ia

## abso~ute,ly ri9bi, any kind 

### of facility here the 

### air emiss i ons go all
. ovor. tie don 't have a wall. i n the sky that tr.eepS the&\ x1.qht here in c.bOUa, so tbat people fra. 

## sc. LOUis and people f..,. Alton o.od peoplo froe 

### Graolte city ha9e 

### to oooe hexe to 

### v ie w those

### dQCU8CPt~,**~nd** abSOlutely the

### reco~d dQCu
.. nt5 

### belon9 on the yebsite. It used to have four units, and whnt happened to the fourt h icu:.inet"ator ? I notice th at you just 

### have thr••· (BY 

### t«. anoc;oRSKYI: Riqbt 

### nov only th<M



### VES 0045481

. 2·

J 4 

## s 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 l4 15 

### 16 17 

### 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 

### 25 units in oporation and number one was elLainated, t 

### beliovo, or w he t CBl MR. MRRIS): 

### t '.-t Doug Ha

_ rris, I'll gener8l u.nager of the facility. We be.93-Q operation i n 1918 or 1919 with one incine
. c ato r, 

### known •s Incinerator Nuober 1. In 199l, late**199~,** 

### that incinerator •as closed 

### down, specif ically because it did not:

### ~t tbe current staJ>dar<U
. !BY HS. l\lfl)RlAl : ls t:he>:e an oparati"9 

### permit for four? (BY MR. IIJ\1\I\IS): Y es. (BY HS. ANDRIJ\) : I don't 

### ic,.,.. how ...,ny 

### months aqo

### a.n~re, but 

### I had sent in 

### a Freedo• 

### ' ot**Info~tion** Request to IEPA and went up to Springfield w it

-

b a.o.eone who caM d.ovn froll thO Chicago

### •~•• to belp M w:ho b.ad been t;hrOuqb 

### a. "l'itl• V before, 6-l'lfi we yent in lookin9 at the files, and I've been thxougb file

### rev-lew**,** tEPA before, and J 've always bee.n pret ty au.cb able to 

### find 

### tho th1n9• tbat 

### 1 needed. I was r•ally d is mayed at th1a, There were wh ole. chunks of

### ~~.aterial that

### wer~ missinq.
. Ki ssing "'"a the

## a.n**nurt.~** enissione report, the inspection
. rep0r ' t ftoa 1997, the operating pez:Ja.it for U'nit 4, the



### VES 0045491 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9



### . 10

11 

### 1 2 · 13 1 < 

### 1 5 16 1 1 

### i S 19 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 24 25

### ~ltimed13 inopection

### cepo~t,**stac~** tests t ha t are 

### refereed

## ~o, and w e 'v e been trying t o get

## ~r**ll** 200 1 and 

### May 2002. we·ve · b&OA tryinq to got 

### thoao for IIIIOClthl, and 1 t . ia l ked. to Kr. rrost t he other 

### daY and 

### be said that

### app~ntly tne re v a5 none. so 1 dOD ' t u.nderatand bow s(llllt'let.hinq is r · e .terred co in 

### a fila tha t 

### l t hapPened, bUt yet it didn't ha.pPen. so, 

### we have sCM: real conce.rns ei:JOU'C tbe

c OII'Ipl.ctaneaa of t be file. 

### There**ve r~**  

### quarterly reports that a t e adGs 1nQ, 11an if e ' sts , treati e s, that we.re not tho.re , 

### t hore w aa a n othe r ins p ec t i on report t ha t • •• miss
. lrl(J,

## a;~ all of the Qocuments
. r ola.ti nCJ to t ho

### Nov~**r** 2 002 meetinq 

### wi t h onyx reqardin9

## ola**t1ons** and CQC9lLanoe i ssues 

### were missing. 

### S o what 

### ha pPe ns w ith 

### the pub li c vbefl they aee thAt, it aUght be very i nnocent a..od tb oae re cot:ds



### • re sa-e w here lq sosebedY'S desk, tb&t 

### they're
v o r ldnq on it, bat ou.t il'lpress i on is, especially when v o keep

## c.**~y n9**  a.od w e ask to pleasGI p rovide

## tbo~**•** to 

### ua and they don't show up, then 

### w e · don•e

## t~ot you. I hate to 

### say tb a t 1 but that' s wha t 

### happon e . Nov, if 

### t t!-ere is nothit\9 aJlisa here and tboa• records are be · re, please provide thea to ue s o " e



### VES 0045501 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 '10 11 lZ 

### 13 14 

### 15 16 17 

## ur 1 9 20 

### 2 1 22 

### 23 24 25 can look at the.n and we can make our cocmte:nt.s 

### baGe d on tbe eomp1ete rec o rd
.

An d ray M mory is

- - I qu e.s s as I qet older it

### $O~t~ee fadea

-- but w hen 

### we first started 

### thia,
w

hen the Title V draft came**t,** 

### there v as no tec:oxd

### po~it. ,Soalebody in a CepartJnent •ILid, oh, 11 0 don • t need one. tr'by wa . s tbert not one? W e c::OI'I!Pl&.ioed &1\d. t.ban'k. you very web that 

### we now have one, but w hat vas thClt? I s that sone k i nd of aomothioq? I don• t unde.rs t.an d.. An d is it tb&t

### yo~ have too many of them tha t you are trying to do b y tho end of t h e ye a% or -- 

### if th4t ' a w hat's 

### happeninq , there's too**~uc h**  

### vo rk , beea u a& I**~qree** w

ith you there • s w ay too a u eh v o rlc for you . , t:o r 

### tho aqenc ies , for you to . try to do all 

### of thl8, and frankly, you ...., trying to do it all """ too fut. ln thil area w e've qo t thi-s T-itle v . we;• v e qot tho B&ldwin p lant, we ha ve the Oynegy, •o've 

### qot all of these coming up . 

### Y ou have ho w many ' permit

### rovie**e~a** w ho ar e workinq o n this? tou 

### hav e all these people , we j u s t h a v e a fe w . of us wh o have the time , 

### wh o hav e th e d e sire , vh o hav e the cotQPulaion, v ho a . r e cra: y , 

### vbat e¥er, to sit dO w n &Dd go through thi&

### uf**~** So, you tno w , you



## VE S 004 5511 2 3 4 5 6 

# , 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 15 16 11 18 19

. 20



### 21 22 23 24 25 haw to U$0 aolll9 kLnd of

### j~nt and respect 

### tor**~** pub lic 

### for a publicly enf o rc eab le pe<Odt to let us have a little tiwe to be 

### ab le to qo 

### through thi• aod let us ha..,e .soree a.ore help
. I knooo • • will be happy to lobbY 

### to get**~** 111101:• .ooey . 1 t.hink you Jcnov t:b.is adallni&t.rat.ion is tatiOQ avay our**e.nv ~rorullllUltal.**  protections every clay io viav of tbe regulations, i n vie v of the cuttinAJ of the budgets. T:bey ' r e cuttiO<J a.l l of 

### these thlnil and w hat '• happening is 

### our &ir ia going to 9et dirty, its getting di rtiar , our va ter 

### is def i n i tely dirt ier. SOMone

### o~tid abo
. ':lt the 52 tons of. hazardous

· air pollutants, w hat tb ey are talXinq about il ·

### ~_ry. W e've. got t wo la
. Ku, state 

### Par k la'kea heft that

-- D&ny of the

### ~ty cannot affo rd to 

### g o out 

### and boy steakO · and · ali 

### kinds of protein for t.bol.r fiJILil i es , they go and they tiah l n thoae la

kes, t bey' re state 

### . pa.rk..s, they're cont:.a.a.i.nated with M.rcury. 'they , qet the bottotD feeders, 

### tbe y• re teedlnq their f ami ly , th ey•re

### gett**ng** tbo&Q 

### fie h. The IDPM h as an advisory on their WGJ>site. Tbey

## ~>ave**~** the Ill i nois

## oepar~nt of 

### National

### ~aources when you go in to .got a fiahinq license hae a little v arnih9 on . the back of the--



### VES 004 5521 

### 2 3 4 5 

# ' 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 1 3 1 4

. 15 16 17 18 

### 19 20 2 1 22 23 

### 24 25 so:me w be
.re in

### t~ litt le booklet w hen you qot yoUr 

### fishing license

- - that 

### says thiG 

### fish · advisory

- - only e3 t 

### o ne a .onth from this l a ke unlO•• you are
a woman of' cb.ll d**be~aring age** **~** a..nd then ki nd of skip it or however. But you qo to the lakes and you . see all of 

### tbeso people around f is hing# ther9's oo sign tbat**t.e~l•** ,t.bom th a t w here**th~y** • re**~tshing** -- there' • · 

### nothing that tells them that F rank H olten . sta t e

### Pa~k bas PCB'a, it's

### con~ated with 

## Pes. Where do th e y come froa? M!hy are th e y there? Nothin9 tollo them t hat,**ell ~**  • aybe you can eat these tiab if you taJce
. the fat off 

### and tbe s kin off
. . So w lflany ' people i.n this comrunity i.n thie whole


### area eat the fi$h w ith 

### the skin and everythi ng taken off and not fri ed? T:bey · fcy it a.nd that 

### seale in the polson. ADd l.t you k""P al.l oring every s inqle COIOP""Y t bet COI\eS 

### tor anOther permit for a.

### ne**al** and 

### Oon't hit the m with fine s and don ' t cloee

### eb~ down w hen they need to ' be c l os e d do w n,**yo~** 

### a re 

### contr1but1nQ

- · each of you is**indi idual** **y** culpable of cont ributinq to the poor 

### health and 

### tha**f~t uro**  

### of t bie communit y , of these
coamuniti es. o f the chi1dren bet:o.



### VES 0 04 5531 

## z 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 l1 12
. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 

## zo 2 1 22 23 2 4 25 

### One teaspoo n of morcury i s enough to 

### Contbm!nate a wh ole lake 

### v e'r e told
. H o w 

### .any po und s of roorcu.ry . come out of the s t ack?

. flow I'M.D Y 

### qet out 

### ot the aide 

### vant that 

### doesn't ' g o u p the $tack? How many upsets are the r e ? Do w e know? Do tlwty tell you. •very t.ime th er e's u**~set?** The aalf r;eporti09 is very, ve.cy troublaaoae, and lt'l not jus · t w ith thi.e coepany that I ' m. troubled. I kno v · it,l**p~rtly** becaus e yo u do n't**~ave** enough 

### personnel to go out and 

### inspe ct, bu t somethin9 ' 1 qot to be done. 1 IQO.IIn, y ou ha v e to make nolaes 

### about d oinq it. Get yo u r**peopl ~**  

### out t here an d 

### start inspeetinq**an ~**  

### do it 

### w ;itb out a n n o u nclnq i t. 

### I know tho s e thinqs get cl eaned v ben y ou announce w

hen you're ooainq
. one of the things I 

### found kind of**interestin9~** and I'• xeally pl eas ecL very pleued, that the cbuical W 4ste**gr~..** the aedical v o_ste inei.Der&t.Or 9'%'0up CUII8: oft r : ebe p6ople V hO wo rked very, very bat<l and they de s e rve so n::ruch CJ:ectit 

### fo r t ho w or k t h ay did i n q o tting th e medi c a l w a.to 

### incino rator cloaed-

' This**1n ine~at** **r** bare · 

### g o t a t t ent ion 

### w bo n there v aa a small a few y e a rs bac k and**oycry~y** 

### v

aa on the ne w a at nine and 

### tbe t en**'c ~k**  

### ne w s,



### VES 0 04 5541 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 l1 12 

### 13 14 1 5 16 17 18 

### 1 9 

### 20 21 

### 22 23 

### 24 25

### ~h**at** 

### 13 that smel l,**vb ~t**  

### is that 

### sMell? I 

### w .a getting call , e, is that Granite City? Sauget? All of 

### th• peopl e in St. Louis "'anted to knOW. Hel l 

### it**tu rn~** **d** out th •t 

### it vas**be~ e~**  But. locMl of •Y co ncern is tha t it wa& 

### socoethl.n<J o:Mt 

### they could saell. What i! 

### thc>y cannot .-117 What all is qoiog out there that 

### we don 't k no w about thAt 

### we

### can'~ s ee?

### ~en black**s~n.o k.e**  come• out you see t h ou · t b ings. You do n 1 t 

### see**s~** 

### of t h ese to xins. And I, too, 

### request a copy of tho re port that w as asked for , t h e 2000 repOrt, And l w ould t eally l i ke to k now soacthing abOUt 

### how you vere treatinq 

## the viol &tione tha t wont on and ia t here a line tbat the ne w ones are 

### tre a ted a ditferent way, are th ey qiven a ditf ero.n t we i.qht , ,ore they qet.tin9' erec:U:c. fot' being 

### ne w owners? 1 

### .ea.n, do 

### new ovne:a bav• to**~** r.ally new? can we ju&t kind of aova over to 

### bigqer aeata? 

### And fi nally. J 

### wou l d really like
. for yo u to 

### tell tho people here, who real l y want to know t ha t
are · 

### told thia is enf or ceab l e by the pub l i c , w hat


### exactlY does thit mean ? Rov do we en force it 

### and bo w do •• chang e what t s bappen , icg here and h ow does it beCOCb& wrs? And I vou.l d

### re.a.l.~**y** like eoM.



### VES 004555l 2 3

. 4 5 6 1 8 9 1 0 11 

### 1 2 13



### 15 16 17 18 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 23



### 25 

### an s were to that.**T~nk** 

### y ou . ( BY HEI\RlNG O ITICI;R MATOES I J\ll) : Do wo w ant 

### to tak e a five mi oute b rea k or do 

### you

### w~nt to ke ep
(BY liS. RETTLE) : I di dn ' t say I want to ca-e-o.t., but I would li ke tO -.at.e one. (BY 

### IIURiliG OFl'l CBR HMOBS l l\ll ) : State and spell your**n~, a~se.**  (BY HS. RETfLB): My na-e iS Jeanette Rattle,

Sie r ra Club. 

### J '• not here in any capacit y for the 

### Siexca Club
.

### I'~ a resident of B ell eville and I think it' a

### i~o~ta**t ~at**  you

### kno**~** people i n otber 

### oomaunities clos e by

### • ·eonce i ned 

### tor

### ~opl• in these areas, 

### tn areas that 

### are not able to 

### fight bac k v beo tb.in9S like this are put upon

## ~, and
ve

## ~ to 

### band toqethe:t
. to p rot ec t everyone 1 a.nd this i s tbe meuo-eas · t area an d so th i ngs that 

### affect St
. 

### Louis &ftect us, and things that affect


### us w ill 

### affect them.

And 

### I d i d hav e

### ~ question I really

### w&**nte~** to 'k: oo w abo u t. I wo ul d just ask wh at doeU tho pubiic do to enforce this? D o I go d o wn t tl e.r• asid breath e

### e~ry day and see if I 

### qet canc:er or v hat do you do? SO I 1\0pe you v Ul answer that



### VES 0045561 2 3 4 

### 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 1 3 l4 

### 1 5 16 

### 17 18 

### 19 20 2 1 22 

### 23 24 

### 25 qu-estion. 

### And I bad a question for 

### Hr
. Victorine, beea\lSe you are the only one I could ta. e. ar and**understand~** 

### and I appreciate that. You said that 

### there are t ests, I thi nk, on -- and corr e ct me 

### if I 'm v Ton q, on dioxin every two aod a half years 

### and on somethinq els e every five 

### ye•r8 by 

### the US EPA; is that correct? (BY MR. VIC1'0RIN E ) : Yes. (BY MS. at:n'L£) : Are those announc ed or 

### unannounced visits? (BY MR. VIC1'CiRI NE): That•s the wordin9 i o the regu l ations for th&Se new**l)a.z.ar~ous** waste 

### corobustable HAC T rul8s**ac~ually** 

### under the 

### Clean Air Act

. Thos e w0 ' uld be te sts' that a**fac ili~y** **wo u~d**  

### hire a con3Ultant to do 

### those te St$ , and 

### generallY**~e** 

### regulatory**aqen~y** 

### w ill observe those tests· and provide audit**mat~rials ,**  

### in some eas e s , to sort 

### ot test: tbe testers, if you v ill. (BY HS. RE'l'rLE): Okay. (BY HR. VICWRDIE) : No<t I thinl: that ri9ht 

### now becaUse of 

## the lawsuit**fr~** 

### the S ierra Club which so(t o£ puts soma of those regulations on hold , I th ink that that pNvision bas been· stayed by th& 

### judqo as tar a s the testing: every 

### two and a



### VES 004557

### , . 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 1 0 11 1 2 1 3 l4 15 16 17 19 19 20 21 22 

### 23 24 

### 25 hal f yea rs on dioxins. ( BY M S. RETTLE): SO t h a t ' s no t oven**~ing** done? (BY M R. 

### VlCTORI NEI : Riqht 

### now you know tho judge roapondcd to the**ierr~** Club law$Uit by vac&t.i.n9 all th e reg-s. An d th• £PA v or ke.d to 9ec
a OICB i nto ri• t49S in pl& ce but that particular provi.sion wa s n.oc put back i. n. 1. think it v i ll be put bock in 1n 2005 v hen the nev rules a.re pu t 

### in. ( BY HS. REr'l"l£ } : S o tba.t whe n it doo • . h appen ::rnd it • 

### e scheduled , i t is the corapao.y i tsalf, , the 

### facil it y h ir.o s a**co ne~** **ltant** 

### to do i t 

### and**~one** 

### just**wa tch••~**  do J 

### understand that correctly? CBY MR
. VICTORINE) : I t's oboerved, it'a
v itneas•c! by the a pProp r:ia t e t e am. at the requl.&tory • ge.ncy chat knOY hov

### ~ do
. that 

### kind o f' thi.n 9· ( BY HS. RE'!'I"L£l : 'thank you. I have a.noth ec question r&ga.rding the Ill-inois E PA
. W ith tho terrible budCJet defic

- its that I ll ino i&
. bas, what 

### d oes tb e Ill inois EPA, how 

### do y ou regulato thoae f acilities and h o w often are they regulAted by t h e Illino is EPA ? If they**.** (BY MR. BEIUI<>7EITI : llben tho 

### penoit is

-- or



# .. VES 004558

# .. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8



### 10 11 

### 12 13 14 

### 1 5 1 6 17 18 

### 19 20 

### 21 22 23



### 25 whetb Cr the**pe~it** 

### is i csued
. it w il l**ha~e** 

### • · tarm of five y e e r a. that me•ns every fivo**yea~a** 

### tho**pc~ t**  

### w ill bo**~•noved,** 

### at**h~cb** 

### time they'll put the draft**per~t** 

### out to public not i ce like 

### we hav e before tho i nitial issuance of the permit. 'l'he pul:U.ic can at that titDe sut:ait COSIIIX!nts, reque1 t • bur i nq 1 like you have done &t this :time. In addition, all Title V sou.cces in the State of**Illino~e,** whi ch thare' s ,e.pproxillately 125 , thoy c;et i nspected once per year, that ' s a requirement 

### from our**man~9cment ,**  

### at least once a year. If there arc p rob l ems at the facility or if there ' s citizen co.plaints for the facility**~he** 

### inspector w ill**nve~tiqate.** 

### Our compliance 

### enforceme
. nt people, ae a qeneral practice, toxmally rcqueet tbe facility s tack teat onc:e e11ery f i ve yearS to assure that the**~r** pollution cootrol equi.-ant Ls functioning proper ly and JDMts tMt at.anclords •. (BY MS. RET't'.L£): Are those a.onounet!id or Unannounced 

### viait1? (B Y HR
.**BE~EIT) o**  Tbey can either be
anno Wt ced or unannounced.



## . . (B T MS. RETTU:lo Ol:ay
. (BY MR

. OAAGOVICII); As f&+ 

### as the facility



### VES0045591 2 3 4 

### 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 12 13 

### 14 15 

### 16 17 

### 18 19 

### 20 21 22 23 24 

### 25 is**nspe ot~d**  

### t w ic e a year**a~** 

### a minimUM, they can be announ ced or unanpo unced, and they c an be**ins~ct d**  

### more o ften it there•s a**preble~.** { BY MS. REn'U): TO fu rt her confus e the issue* but thank you for your**att ~ntJ..on.**  I que a a I w u juat a U d otteoded chat the rea.rk v .u N de, t hat ther e are otb e.r fa.cili tie.a that are •• bad or worat tb&n thU one, and. this**ainiai~ea** 

### v hat'a go inq on hera
. I don 't think that's a 

### corr•ct**appr o~ch.**  

### I t hink we shoul d be approochi ng t h st 1 as it
. has been s aid before, enat 

### w

e all d&RQrvo
. t o live in a safe place w ith 

### a nate food chGin w it

h s afe wator w it h sat e ai r . I do 

### not**th ~nk**  

### we should hav e to rely on the ·**pba ceut** **eal.** Cotllp&nies to CODe up vit.h**~t cinot**  tor: ast:tma, curos fo r c.a.neer. Nba t ve should cSo i
.

s stop it a t th9 be-g'i.ruting wbere the carciOQ9R B and to .xina start, and you have the opportunity to do tbat , •nd w e- do hope that You do


### .tbat; ve bope that you close thea down. Thank you. Ill Y H&AAING OFFIC&R MATOESIANI : Thank you. Is there a . nyone else v ho wisbe
. s to make a c:<>mmen t? 

### (BY MS
. GRtEN ):**~** 

### name is**J~di ce**  

### Gteen; J-0-D-I -C- E,**-~ -e-t-N,**  

### I'm with the 

### Health and Environmen t Juatioe C?roup of St. Louis. Our qrou:p



### VES 00456 01 2 3 4 5**~** 7 8 9 1 0 11 12 13 14 15 16 

### 17 18 1 9 2(! 2 1 22 

### 23 24 

### 25 is reaponsible w i th O r . Blou nc ror shut
.ting dc;)wn 

### Steric ycle. It had been pollutinq North St
. Louis 

### and a n umbo r of

-- quite 

### a few areas of St. LOuis, and**I'~** 

### here bec au se 1 · am personally**concer~d** 

### for thiS**~unity** 

### and St. LOuis
. And I beard Mr
. Victorine speak about lead. He did.rl't ru l ly go into details &.bout. it but I Mvwt a caajor coDOCrn about. the elri.$s ion of le.-d. Pretty**~ch** overy otbex**hou~** that I 90 to the 

### children are lead poisoneC, aod. ve shut down Stericycle because a lot of the children in the**co11111u~ity** had asth1Aa 1 and I

- r · eally concerned 

### because of the 

### taqt that ve had to 

### t ak e I consider 

### d rastic at•P• to shut down 

### St er ic yc le, and thie community w ill**p~etty** much have to do · the •ame thing. 

### And I 

### have a list 

### of questions, and tbe 

### Cirat


### one is , v by &re tba
. st•c k tests only happening every five ye . ara? Maybe someone can a.nswe.r t hat
. . Anoth er one ia , does tEPA a.lvays 9ive pennita 

### to polluters w i th track 

### reco rda a . s bad 

### .a Onyx? And tho thi rd ono is , how**~~an y**  surpriaa**ins pection~**  are**condu~t ed**  each**yea~?** 

### And I havo another o n e . Isn 1 t 

### t:his mpre a particular 

### utter too 

### hi9h-, w hy or w hy not? Is



### VES 0045611 2



### . 3

4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 11 1 2 

### 13 14 

### 1 5 

## i6 l1 

### 1 8 19 20 21 

### 22 

### 23 24 

### 25**~e** 

### standard t6o 

### high? And li k e I "say, 1 do have
a**pe~sonal** 

### concern and I feel like I don•t have to
come**~-** l 

### feel li ke it " s up**t~** 

### y ou all to deny**~is pe~t,** **bec~use** I don't w a n t to h a ve t o come 

### ac i oss the water to 

### do w hat 

### we di d in St. L ouis to 

### clo s e down St er

i cycle. X do urge you to 

### deny t his P"C1!it
. Than k you . 

### (BY HEARING OFF IC ER MAtOE S LANl : Thank you, H

s. Green. Is there 

### anyone 

### e1s e that w ishes to 

### make a 

### comment right now? Does any on e have any question,?**c~** 

### up. (BY MS. FAVI LLA): A lot of tba r egulat io ns 

### an? a ·lot of t h e testinq, I wondered il there w a s 

### actually a chart out there t hat 

### sho w s the 

### six
mo n ths t o o ne year, and two and a half ye ars, the fi v e year t ests 

### wh ich were done by the**E~A,** 

### Ill i nois or u.s., v bieh are done 

### by a hir ed consultant, v h.ich ones" 

### ver6 w atched ov e r , whi ch · Ones

-- is there**somet~ing** out th e re that 

### we can look a t , because t thi nk this w ould elimin a te a · 

### l ot of confus i on . And if 

### it • s all in 

### th e H eb, that wo uld be great, and if there ' s not , 

### i t there • s a part i c ul ar o ft i ce w e can loo k fox: that 

### at. (BY HR. B.ELOGORSJ<Y): All testing**con~tions,**



### VES 0045621 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

1 0



## , . 11 

### 12 1 3 

### 14 

### 15 16 17 18 19 

### 20 21

23 

### 24 2.5 

### you C4n 

### copy and paste fro m the**fede~al** c egul at1on. You can go to the propos ed pent it and. 

### looK into toatinq requirements. (BY MS. FAVILLA); I neEd to go through the Title v regulations .a.nd copy a.nd**~ste.** So 

### t . here'a not • c:hart out7 (BY MR. BELOGORSKY); We copy and paate frca 

### the federal requl&tion&, so the 

### federal requirerHnts 

### ot title v pexmi t are**den~ica.l r~ir~nta**  

## or th• 

### USEPA and the federal 

### regulations. tf 

### you aLe interested in 

### s tack testing condition requireMents, I can point out during the brea.k. or a.fter tho meeting the c:e ' rtaln**a~ction** yoU
can loo); for. If you loo k at it it will be**e~ sior**  for you t · O**J?e~tu** understaod. (BY KS. FAVI"

_ LLA) : And I did. have <me other question. It was said a coupl-e different tiM•

beca.uee. this ple
. nt puU out a smaller 8*>uot of 

### toxicities compared to others in the reqion i t's not lOoked at as SOl'lething 

### that shoUld be den i ed
. 

### And X v or.der where w ill we 

### ever start if 

### thero'IJ a cu.ulative effecta study on all of the different pl•nta 40 so if w e aUov facilities to emit t.be



### VES 0045631 2 3 

# • 5 6 1 8
. 9 10 11 

### 1 2 13 14 

### 15 16 11 18 19 20 

### 21 22 

### 23

- 24 25 

### •aximum to the qlass ceilin 9, co the very ·t op, and everyonQ is allo w&4 to do that jus t because it 

### .!qht be a 

### little le$ S than soee of the othera. If you don't $t.ct.

. r t l ook ing a.t dehy inQ:

### pe~ta on a coin..iJaull level, then you aren • t eve.r look.lnq at the cwa.ulative effect of tbe be.al tb of the

### c:**~nity,** and I • on&t:r 1 f tbere is any effort to look at the 

### comaunlty effects? (BY MR
. B £RN0TEIT}: Noraally when a new ujor 

### source it con1tructed
. they go ths;ouqh what 

### ia called PSO r.e v le w , P SD s tandards, or Prevention 

### of S.iqn 1f.1c;s n t Detariorat.io n. Onyx d-oes leso than h&lf 

### of the threshold to trigqer thosa regulations. They ax e . not a JM.jOt source. Therefore, tht

### ~l&t~ve**ef tect~**  on the amblont ai.c quality as a result of Onyx va s not studied, 

### or

### ~n OnyX •• • 

### originally constructed li kew ise
v it.h the pl&ntB ne.ig-hboring onyx. For

### ex&J~Ple, you &re • little bit

### f~l**iar** wi th 

### the Solutia. Solutia vas co n scructed a long time 

### before the rso

### recommendatio**n~** ever 

### came in, and I'm not 

### a w are of any pro1oct t h&t Solut i a bad

### th~t triqgered the PSO, but if t hey bad tr ig q ared P SO , review**~el1D9** i e don e, all 

### the 

### backqrouAd concent . r•ti.ons e.re & tudied, 

### includinq



### VES 0045641 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 

### 11 

## li 13 14 

### 15 16 

### 17 18 1 9 

### 20 

### 21 22 

### 23 24 

### 25 conc · eptrations comi ng frotn oayx .. from. Biq River,**~oain9** from Joi nt**~erioan** Bott le, t think**Ds**

### ~t door, a'll of t h ese ax:e · studit!d durin.q • PSO 

### revio v of project at solutia. I'm not f&Miliar vith**~Y** 

### projecta recently, so that 

### hasn't boon dQne. (BY MS. FA VILLI\) ' So v heo you say that tbe 

### toxic i ty levels are about 50 percent 

### ot**w~t** othe
. rs an no'lf'**·~lyifl9** for permits w ith

- (BY MR. · DERNO'l'BIT) ' For tbe VOl<, nitroqen 

### oxida 

### and carbon PQnoxide.**(B~** 

### MS. VAVILLA ): Do yoU take into Account 

### the other**permit~?** 

### I kn o w that 

### thete are anotb&J: four ' or five 

### that 

## Ca.e acros$**~Y** 

### desk**wi~in** 

### the last we ek and a b&lf. Have you taken into ac c ount tbose evan if they 're only in 50 to 75**per~ent,** bOV the:y a.l.ght i
. nter&ct even thouqb th•y don't quite Met that? (BY MR. B&RNOT&Ul ' " • have no l eqol**a~tho ~ity**  to do , that. (BY HS. FA VILLI\) ' Than k you very IIUCh. (8Y MS. NfDRIA) : K<tthy Andria , r w onder i n how Nny qu.a_.rter$ does the facility have 

### to be. in**~iqnlficant non-~liance**  

### be fore there's some action?



### VES 0045651 

# z 3 

# • 5 

### 6 1 8 9 

### 10 ll 1 2 13 14 15 

### 16 l1 18 

### 19 20 21 

### 2 2 23 2 4 2 5 ( BY Ml\

. B£RNOT£IT) ; N one of us are in

## o~**i&oce** enforcement

## oup~ so we' re

## unab~c to
answer y out question. c61 HS. ANDlUA) : there's 

### ':fl attorney fro\n the

## ~ttorne**y** Genez:&l ' ! Office, wo u .

ld he knOW that 

### answer? (81 Mfl

. BEPNOTEl'!l: 1 '• 

### not aware that tbUI


### v as an attorney . !BY MR
. HOJ>GNll : Ji:n Morqa.t> 

### froa the 

### A

ttorney Gene
. r a l 's Offic e, and 1 don' t

# kn~**v** tbo


### e .. n s- w or oit he r:. 

### (B Y MS. ANDRIA): Can y o u f ind tha t an s w er , })e cao . se m)' u nderotAi'l<1in9 from the re<7o rd , l t loo k s 

### li ke there hao been si9 n i ficant
. n on-compliance tba. t kind of )<aepS on g oin9 and going and 

### goJ.nq
. (BY HUIUHG OITIC£1\

## ~IAN) : 'Ole 

### ioaues of conplianCO and

## en**or~ t**  are bettez: suit.cS tor wri tte n 

### re.sponn, beea'U.Se the pub lic he.Ui n<J


### ooean • t 

### cover c OIIIPlUuice enfo r cement issue:•. so I 

### ttiink a lot of t be questions w oul d be 

### bette r b4ndled in a vrittQn response. (BY HR.

### s~&tT) : I t wa s asked • couple

## diffe~ent ti mes during th a comments h ow doee a

## .-.~>er of tb• pu!>UC:: enforce the 

### pe .,.U.t. And 

### ttr.

## N~•• toucbed on v hat
. I v as abOUt to • xpl ain.



### VES 0045661 2 3 4 5 

### 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 15 16 17 

### 18 19 

### 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 

### Bas ically you have to**~nvest** SQm& tiGe 

### and effort to 

### fOI files and requllSt copies of reports and**eud~slon** 

### reports,**exce ~denc** **e** 

### reports, inspection**xepo~ ts** **!** 

### and it 

### takes a lot 

### ot**~ork ,**  

### We hAve & 

### full-time staff that are dedicated to ·doing that and .,e can • t catch. all of the violations ourselves. Let me qualif y that comment . A member 

### ot the**~ublic** cannot enforce tbe permit 

### i t we don't issue the permit
. so, that would be a reason why
. it' s 

### necessary for us to 

### is ' sue a Titl e v pe_nni.t. (B

Y HEARING OFFICER MATOESlAN): I think · they**n~ed** a l ittle clari fica ti on of the bene f its of i.s.suanc e of the peradt. (BY HR. BERNOTEIT ) : The public enfo
. rcemeni:. component is a**be~efit** of having to i ssue a Title 

### V**pe~it** 

### for th is facility
. If one is not issued to 

### the f4cility, the 

### public doesn ' t really have power .to en{orce violation of air pollutioo requlation_s. (BY MR
. CORTNI!R) : Marvin

### Co~tner, Suburban 

### Journals Ne w spapers . In reterence to**th~** 

### miasing 2000 USEPA inspection,**l~ .**  Harris is h are representing Onyx, pe:rhap.s be m ight be · forthcoming and shed so111e light on that.



### VES 0045671 2 3 4

6 1 

## e 9 1 0 11 

### 12 13 14 15 

### 1 6

18 

### 19 20 21 22 

### 23 

### 24 25 

### Secondly, 1 would like 

### Mr
. Barris t o take the opportuni ty to expla i n what Onyx, what**imp~oveme.nt.s** as far as compllan.ce, have been made under the onyx new mana<;ement . ( B

Y MR. HARJUS): M y name is Doug Barris, I'm general manage r for th ' e Onyx faci l ity. !BY MR.**~TN&R)** : The miasing 2000 USEPA 

### report that 

### the Sierr& Club attorney saya cannot be obtained beca u se it · ' s enforcement**sena:i~ive, '**  perhaps ' you as a representative of**O~y.x** might be 

### f0rthc0Gdng to 

### inform the community.abo.ut w hat 

### was d e terwined or was vh. a t was found in that inspection. 

### (BY HR. BARRIS): Hbat he's s p e aking of ia the US&PA mu l t i media a.udi t , that au ' dit that w as perfomed in Ju l y of 2000.
. That audit, 

### we have reques-ted a copy of that at least on · a half a 

### dozen occasions
. We understand the draft e x ists to that. We'd be very**~nteres.ted** to 9et that
. ourselves. The ·Only light I can shed on that is 

### that 

### at the close of the meeting vhen we spo k e with the ins-pectors
. they told us that they had no signi:ficant issues and no violations found d.u.ring
mu l ti.tledia audi t . Bot we have not s e en the report and woulct- vory mach li ke to.



### VES 0045681 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 12 1 3 14 

### 15 1 6 17 

### 18 1 9 

### 20 

## .21 22 

### 23 24 

### 25 (BY HR. CORTNER) : What iq>rovementa as far · 

### as compli ance have boen made under the ne w Onyx management whe n they took. over operatiOn of the eoaopany? (8'i**~·** BARIUS): Well, I 'l l speak to the 

### pollut ion cont rol &ys tem of our Unit**N~r** 

### 4 

### inCln.rator,. it 

### bas had 

## a ca , r ,

bo.n injection syatom added to it for diox

_ in control.
. On e thing that • s C:OJ'M up a couple 

### o t times 

### w&s the tes ting of pnce every five r,ears or once 

### every two and a half yeArs 

## oO th&se**inc~ne ra** **tora.** 

### Actually we bave tested these incinerato rs even eiqht
. or · ten**t.~es** in the last t wo ye4 rs , a.itd "**inoe** 

### w e have three incinerators that would be 

### al1
o f the incinerators, so tbat•s three plus times 

### per inc inerator over the last tvo years. and basically t hose tests 

### haye been done to



### · de .o nstrate compliance w ith the MACT**standar~,** w

hich at the pr:escnt time they are in compliance 

### with th e MACT 

### s tandaros. (RY HS. ANDIUA) : · coul.d you provide tb«<l to us? (BY
. HR. lll\RIUS): Certainly. 111\at I'll do is I' 1 1 leave a few 

### o · t my cards up here on the chair 

### aod anybodY that wo uld like to visit the facil i ty,



### VES 0045691 2 3 

# • 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 l4 

### 15 16

1 8 19 

### 20 21 22 23 Z4. 25 

### please givo

### ~c**~** call , w e'd lo9 e to have you cOMe viait the facilit y . 

### If there ' s any

### partieula**~** doCUJD6Dtl 

### or reports that 

### you eouldn' t f ind 

### or you would like, I'm

### e~in it we have

### the~ wa w ill be haPPY to copy thea for you a nd it doesn't coat 15 ce.o.ta per copy. (BY MS

. G!UZHI: JUdice GrM<>· Are you able
(BY MR. !SARRIS): N o, we do not have an 

### autoclave proc • as .**B~** 

### OR. BLOUNT): I
.w as just reviewing**so~o** 

### scotistica,

### star**t~ng** in 1995, 1996, 

### and up

### throu~h 2001 

### you h4d ' 19 incidents·of

## ~ploaion**s** w it

h to x ic


### w

aste be1n9 distributed to the**enviro~nt.** Nineteen diftezent on•s · Md. the n w o tal_lt about

### c~liancc? t ee&n, the regul ato ry

### ac;~encies 'have not seon flt 

### to release

### :.t.a.t~nta s a yi.ng that you
arc not in oonpli.a.nce, that. you a..s;.e in

### comp~**anee.** I 

### mean, could you talk abOUt 

### tbDaG 19? that seams " an inordinate

### n~r of

### explo~ions • . Can you talk about th o s e? (8 1 MR.**~lSI** 

### : I 

### thin k B KPlos ion m igbt n ot reptese.nt 1:.he&e lo c: .id e.nts

### ~ Wbat happens is in an 

### incinerator

--



### VES 0045701 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 

### u 1 2 13 14 

## is 16 17

. 18

19 j 20



### 21 22 

### 23 2 4 

### 25 August 10,**~uqust** 

### 20, 1 999, JUly 

### 2, 2000,**s~thing** 

### explode d, released

-- a cloud of 9aaoa
vas rolaaaod,**rele~sed** 

### thiS**cloud ~**  

### most of**the~** to xic que a lnto the enviro nment. May be they trere 

### not expl oaiona, maYbe**I' ~**  

### just misinfol"'Ntion. (8Y MR. KARRJS): t•n 

### no t sure who did tho paper tha t 

### yo\J &ctu&lly have. An i.ociner•tor ia 

### operated ln negat ive pressure, $0 it 

### is t ypie&l ly

one t"o t W' o inches 

### ot wa ter

### co**\.~Gl** neg ative pressure, eo there'S· s u ction i nto the 

### in c i ner• Cor. An ooc•sion in 

### these instances would be if**so ~eth** **ng ver~**  

### to be 

### pLaced in th e incineratOr and lot's say it's in somo type of 

### bottle or can, let' s say a n ae roso l e& n w ould be
an example. I n many ca.se.s I '10 s ure that some of 

### thes e are aerosol conditions,

### th~y 

### voul4 qo in 

### and 

### they preeaur ita, they aay instantaneously c•use the incinerator to qo 

### positive, maybe for oae,**wo,** 

### three soconda , or v bat evex, and if 

### ve have 

### a. 

### eam.E& on our**cioerator** 

### and 

### if v e detect a po5it 1 ve preeeure, w b &t w e do is ve revie w the
c a.mora t.nd 

### it t here's any s i gn of phy sic:
. al e.U.
. u : .S.on , and so.ae of t be.se are v isible · 

### emiasiona. 

### It yo u just revie v the camera on noraa.l speed you ca.n • t 

### see thea, 

### you hav e to puah



### VES 004571·I 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 

### li. 12 1 3 l4 

### 1 5 1 6 17

. 18



### 19 2 0 

### :h 22 23 24

" 25 i t ta•t forva

_ rd to actually detect i t. 

### sotne of 

### them ate tar less than maybe a standazd trac tor trii le ' r or standard tractor starting up or 

### wb&tever. You c an detect those and g i v e a r eport of each a n d every one of th ese · eo tbe a9ency.
so t hO se ate .ost li k e ly**pos tive**  

### pr•ssure in the lncine.rator. t don't Uaink exp losion wo uld be the correct v ord for thetl. 'Thos e pos i tive p .

ressures z:eaulted in SOI!le- 

### type of eai-s.aion from th e combu.st ion of the incinerator . Whether it be


### on• seco nd or five second**~ission,** 

### tho$ e a r• al l
a:epcu: tod. (BY HR. · FI UU'! MAN ): I 'WO nder, l've heard. 

### go:salp th at some of the aateria.ls thAt you are to be u.a lnq is caainq fr om the
.caxi.bbean, as fa r a"ay
as that. And**ae~dly,** I 've. heard a story**t~t** 

### you are golng' to do 

### some process inq of nerve qases frca t.be ailit.ary , and. I wonder if there's any truth to c.bat? (BY HP.
. RAJUU
. S): The first

-- the carrJ.b<tan, or Puer to Rico I!IOXe likely

-- we do have a b ' ra. '

och 

### in Pue rto Rico. Me 

### get a very, ve x y small amount of IUtet lal f'ro rn someo ne tha t f a .r •way: I wou ld 

### have to 

### t hi n k it 

### v Qul d be 

### less than a hal! 

### of a 

### percent of materLal, ' but there**~ &~** 



### VES 0045721 2 3 

# • 5

.·6 7 8 9**~0** 11 

### 12 1 3 14 15 16 17 

### 18 19 

### 20 2lc 

### 22 23 24 

### 25 

### circuao:tances tfhe.t'e 

### material hAs 

### in fact co•e from that far a way to our**{$cili~Y·** 

### Very r are. ve r y


### r a ro. secon4 question on th e**p~s$ in9**  

### of ner v e gas. I

### 9~11 tin t, tb er• is no such thing a.s

### n~• g•a, w hich it's nerve aqen t, w hich is a
A.pp.r::oxi.Utely six to nin• mndl.s ago 

### we 

### were contacted by the r>epartJnent of Defen se ancl uked if we -.. ould consider t1lspos i n9 of neutrel izad VX


### nerve oqcnt . Now once it ' s**neutral ~ed,**  

### it's an 

### irrev ersible c he.tcal re action that rendora ita

### ~terlal**a~st** identical to what you vould COftiiOOlY boy as drain c le aner . It vou.ld
.

### p~ly be b&at Cbuacteriz.ed a s drain cl.eane.r that you could buy at t.o ve.a or Hoce Depo 

### 3.nd. za.J.a.tbion

## ~5t**ici clu**  that you can <Jet i t JOiJ<1Id

## ~ether that
. w

ould be the

### ~cal. it is no lott<Jel' nern oqe o.t. lt ia A(J&in.st federal law to tr-&naport


### nerve a.qant.

• e

## re**~ed** by 

### the Department o f

## Oe**en~e** it
w

e 

### would conei der dispo$ing of tb& e since we entered 1nto a treaty wi th otber nationa to 

### dispose 

### ot that 

### in tbe 

### year 2006 or

### 20~7, I believe. our answe r to the AgenCy vaa i f v o ' re



### VES 0045731 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 

### 15 1 6 11 18 19 20 21 22 

### 23 2 4 25 called upon and you determine tha.t our facility is 

### the best facility in t hi s country to 

### di spo se of that w e w ould i n tact**ent e~tain**  that. A t tbat time 

### we w ill announce it 

### to tbe public and w e would hold a publ ic outreach p rog ram and discus& it 

### v it h the p u blic. 

### At 

### the present t ime 

### the**~t** 

### of Oefena e it atte.pti.Dg to co.e up w ith a new process witb a c::c:.pany Ln Ohio to d.isposs of this uterial. 'fhua f
.

a_r th cy'vo been unsuccessful ri th that procosa so 

### ther e are no pl an a . at th e present time 

### t o do that , bu t there i a "' C h31
. nc:e in the next thre e or si x

· months ths.t w e My agai n be contacted by th e 

### DepaEtMen t of Defense. our anaw o.r to the DepartMttt of ' Oefen.so, we' re not particul.-rly inte r ested in doing it; boweve..r, 1! we wore called upon by the qove.aaent and we w ere**~** by our**qov~nt** to be tba best faeilLty to clo that, ve vi.ll uspond.. (BY Ma.**UJ ZS)** **:** Broce N :lll.es witb the 

### Si

e cra Club on the po i nt 

### ot expl osion. A c O nsen t**Dec~ee** 

### was**ente~d** 

### i nto a w eek aqo by t he Attorney**Gene~ l**  

### t hat refers to two instanc es , oper ator tailed to tak e precautio ns that led t o**reactions~** 

### the reaction• prodUced uncontrolled tox ic wa ste



### VES 0045741 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 12 

### <3 14 

### 15 16 1 1 18 

### 19 20 21 22 23 

### 24 25 fumes ot qaseo in 1996. The n i n 1998 a mix turo of lithium foill wa s releas e d

### ing a volume of qaa four time s this e x p l osion, cau1ed a

### &U%9e~nt (pho ne tic ], to open and emission to es c ape a.ll O'oti nCJ t\a

_ zarctoue: g-ases t.o escape i.l\to the atJDOipbez:• · 

### so, thia l.a 

### the aqreement tha.t 

### the opexator aiqnod two w eeks
. a9 o to settle claiAs dated back before 1996
. Tbe use of the 

### wOrd explos l oo ia not 

### fron the Sierra Club, it's a reflectio n of what actu a lly happened. 

### (BY HR
. HARRIS)! Did you**have~** 

### qu est ion? (8Y HR
. H l LLBS}: Just a clar i fication. (BY HJl. JtARlUS)**~** Mit.h 

### the previous owner as t.o tha.t, beCAUS e those- w ere both

- a ,re bo th '
c .JC&JIIPlea of positiv e pressures

### o~ tho kiln in t.bat

### s~th**.l.n q**  w u positive i.e

### le**ued..** And ..ayba 

### thil is an

### opportu**~i ty**  f o r me to respOnd 

### earl ier to · tbe, I queee, 135 

### or so violations ' sioeo 1991, inc ludi ng f al ei fic ation · of

## re~rds, and thi s mlqht be a tJJna tl\at 1 cC>Uld respond to t hat J.saue
. 

### I 

### quoss what 

### I w oul d li k G to**say~** 

### I thi nk I 'm going to put in a class ification of all o f the otbe.x ones, is the

### issu~ of f&l
. sitlea tion 

### ot reco.r;d.S. Maybe: iet ae eJCPlaiD that 

### o ne end vh at



### VES 0045751 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 13 14 

### 1 5 1 6 17 18 19
. 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 24 25 - - t he only one that I cari · imagine you would be refe r ring to. This was p r obably six t o e igh

_ t 

### years aqo and i t 

### vas not**fals fica~ion**  

### of records tram the ·**co:~pany** to the agency or any goverrunen:t bod.Y· · What happened as ' a resu l t of th at i s we. had


### an**empl~yee** that 

### had been receiving**dL~,** Naybe ve'd 9et 10 or 20 a**~ek** drwns that wa s crushed 

### g l ass trom chemical bo t tles, and t bey w ould s e nd
us t be 

### crushed g l ass and we bad a p r ocedure tbat ve! d open up every one of 'thos-e dt'UII18 and look in to the • and ve ri fy what w as**~** it to ma.ko sur e th a t w hat they had sent us is, ·in f ac t , what they 

### s e nt us . W e had an employ ee , vho alter 

### receiving th e se week after week, i nstead 

### ot O pe

ning up ev e ry drum , ac t ual l y QP4ned a couple of tbem and then · s h ook the rest of them to hear crushed " glass,
w

hich is**qa 1.~t**  our procedure
. Okay. · said he opened them, but he -shook them
. . 

### The 

### action of the company w as t o**i~ately** 

### f.ire t.be 

### emp l oye-e and to i i'!Giediately · re port this act to tha Il linois Environmental Protection A

gency. So the f alsi ficat ion of records, I don't believe

- - if 

### it's not that 

### incident I cannot



### VES 0045761 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 13 14 

### 15 16 17 

### 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23 24 25 

### imag1no wha t it would be. 

### I t 

### wa s not a falsification of re c ord$. That speaks to tha t incident. 1'h e other 13"4 incident a r e very 3iln.ilar. Maybe 

### there waa an exceede n ce of • poai tl ve pr8-ssu.re that ve h.ad. We report each and eYOry


### ooe of those tinoe 1991. Our**ac ~lity**  

### has cQpo Tted eac:h and every one of those to the £PA
. Oby. The up-to-da t • sca.nda.rds
.. v bat it says in 

### there 11 that 

### if you have 10 of thaae vith 1o 

### a 60

- day period you w ill tben report them. So the 

### 2004 atand&rd• that were required to meet state tha t 10 

### of the m with i n 

### 60 days, you w £ i te a lettMr to tho A genc y ,. Si .n co 1 992 we . have ' been r equj. J:"ed 

# bY the 

### Illi no is EPA to writ e a letter on**~ach** 

### and every one of them.


### w

a v ill continue to**re~ rt** **ea ch**  and 

### every one of 

### t..heD., ao I th.lnk**t~then** you**underst~** a lot of theae, you 

### tDow, 135 sounds l.ike 

### a. lot, but you 

### b4ve to really**under~tand** 

### the regulat (ons. And agiJ. , n, ahould any or you decide t ha t you
w

ant aosne lOO N**i~follMtion** about theae 5pt1Ci fic 

### i nc iden ts, I 

### encouraqe you·to take a card and w e can prov ido so me data 

### and info rmatio n for tbat. iBY KR. 

### B& LOGORSKYI : I**wou~d** 

### like to aake
some qualific.at lons, becaus e a ownber of people '



### VES 0045771 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 ll 

### 12 13 l4 

### 1 5 16 

### 17 18 19 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 24 2 5 .ra

_ ised tho. question

### ~out so111e tind of

### co~unication betw een the
.DePartmen t and public and the Agency
. The Il linoi s EPA, w e have ptetty g ood field people, field

### inspe~tors i n the office in COllinsville, 

### we have .ain offices in 

### Sprinqfiold, and everybody that voul d l ike to co=awnica. t.e w ith tbe. Agancy on a a'Q:II.be% o f is suaa, they can do it easily at any tiDe. We're opao for tbe.ae

### ~Jeetings wit:h the 1.qency seaff &l!Y t.iJae, and 

### the**poo pl** **~** 

### a re esger to give any assistance to**yo~** a n y

## ti~Mt.**~d** ' i n this pa r ticular case, tor ' ex.tu:a;pla, T1tl.o v permit wa s put. on for · the

### publ~c i n N o vetnb e:r . 200 2, and s i nce t b.ls tUlle, pc.rso . nal ly Me, 

### I 

### can talk aboUt ayaelf, as a**pe~ t**  

### d irector of 

### tbia dxaft 1 rece i ved no**~n ts**  

### or no c()GIDW)i.cation at .,1 1 

### troa the public. SO a t ;.ny ti,M, 

### one, ac;e.in, we • 

### re open for any discusaione and for any ldnd of COinll8nts . and cl.ar i ficatioo•. And one .ore point about pl.a in Enqllsh l
.

ilflquaqo, how the perait is Y ritten

## ~nd**.** t.h4 regulatiOn ia w ri tten. 'Yes,

### re~l&tiooa the
. y · uee 

### fo r this title**~** 

### facility are very , ve r y

### c~licatod**,** an d you . hava to

### tem$mbe~ that 

### thia ie
a 1o9a1 document, and e&ch a.nd every condi ti on . that • s d:ratte.Cl should be drafted vtl:.t'Y, •ery



### VES 0045781 2 3 4 

### 5 6 7 

## e 9

. 10 ll 

### 1 2 1
. 3 lC 

### 15 16 17 

### 18 19 20 

### 2 1 22 23 24 

### 25 careful ly , because again , th is is a legal docum'Qnt, a

_ n d u nf or t una tely plai
. o lang-uoge is n ot 

### an option in t his part ic ulax case a nd in any title 

## v permit i n ge neral. ( BY HS. ANDRI A ); I 

### ju st have one quick 

### question. Could you

### es**~te** 

### about ho w aaAy 

### hours you have put i nto this penzdt and bo tt u..ny boura otber a. b.ave put into this permit? Could you

### al**~** tell • vba t w as tbe fea cha rged the company for this PGmit? (BY 1'.11. B!lLOGORSK'O; I t's 

### n ot an easy quest io n. I w& a drafting thi$ perm i t ove...r time pro.bbb l y

### atou.~d thre e tnonth.s
. Let•s Dee , A nd 

### atteE t ho

### dr~tt w as ready and sent to 

### the public


### no tice w e h ave numerous , namerOU$ 

### a&eti n qe and con!arence calla 

### with**a~l** 

### of these peop1e z ittln9 at t.hl
. .s table,**~** it •s ba r d to $ay bo w mny hou.ts. I have aJceady contribut-ed. 

### to this pendt and bow many hours w U l be

### n~ mre in re6"ponae to 

### the questions people raise on thia heAring, 

### so probAbly it w ill be, I believe, at least a couplo moL·e weeJca, bec au se I expect to have a nwnber of 

### meetin q s in re& ponse to your questions trom thia**heu~ng.**



### VES 004579• . 1 

### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 11 

### 12 1 3 14 

### 15 16 17 

### 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23 24 

### 25 About teea. Mter July 1 we have

-- Illinois 

### E

PA Gen eral A •sembly has 

### raised the fees tor**~ny,** 

### many · aoure • a, and**fo~** 

### all sources i n ,Illinois , 

### . so we axe charqi ng t he f.acility righ t now T itle V · 

### sources, so tota l

-- w h&t does 

### the total

- - I believe, probably .something about 2000
. (BY HR. IWUUS): It 

### vu 4, 000 dollan. (BY HR. B&I.OGOR.sKYl : Four- thoUsand doJ.lu:e 

### we 're charqinq the 

### facility
. !BY MR. B&RNO'l'E lf) : Ony x .bas paid a 'Utlc v 

### perait fee e v ery**~r** 

### since 1995, 

### so thGy 'v o been paying 

### tor: the permit 

### tor eight ye.ar s even though they h .IJ vc m't h o d the penn1t. · (BY MS. SANDRA HOOD) : Related question &bout 

### the 

### ttmo. I understand the law,**fr ~**  

### your diaeuasion, lt wa.a passed in 1 99(), the c0111pany presented thei r request for a**~t** in 1995 , and the perait wo o put o"t in June of 2003, and ye t it took just three 100nths to wri te it, but those
wc ren ' t. the date a t**r~r ~ing.**  So tho 

### proce.ee w e bave 

### tor pe cai. tting,
. 

### inapect i nq,

· re.ports, don't protec · t u s at all. Why do es it t .

a.k

o ao J.onQ? (BY M R. DERNOT'EJT): To answ er your que :stion abou t w hy it takes so long. Nationvi<H**~itle** v



### VES 0045801 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 1 2 13 

### 1 4 1 5

. 16

17 1 8 

### 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24 25 pe.naits have been slow to be issued. To date only 

### two permitting author i ties in the entlre Onited 

### States have successfully issued Title V**pe~ta.** 

### OSEPA Inspector General issued a report last year detailing all of the problems with the Title v permit p r o q raJR
. ntis permit 

### so tar has taken a 

### significant a.ount of time 

### to draft, ·and to 

### have roeeti.nqs with ' the company**OSEP~** with your Bureau 

### of Land 

### people
. Today t his i s p x obob l y the most

. siqnificant permit that Anatoly has beeil reviewing. Why 

### i f t he program was i nstituted i n 1990 d i d it 

### taKe un tl l 2003 to get where w e are? T he



### . I ll inois**&~A** 

### io 1992

-- let me · b>ek**up~-** 

### in 1993,
we submi tte d ou r pr09 ra11. 

### to OS£l?A for approval
. We dtd not get approval for Title V CAAPP program 

### until March 1, 

### 1995. And then w e w e re collectioq permit a pp l ications for that next year. 

### Ti tle V vas a totally nev and dilferene 

### way for us to "ri t . e and 

### issue permits
. w e addressed procedures and I had to hire and train per ' sonnel, 

### we've had a lot of personnel turnover in 

### the last ei ght years, s o then ve 

### have to retrain personnel
on the Titl e V pe.X.i ' t.s. lt's 

### just

### ~n**:** a very time-consumin9**ero~ss.**



### VES 0045811 2 3 4 

## s 6 7 8 9 10 ll 

### 12 13 14**1~** 16 17 

### 18 

### 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 2 4 

### 25 

### Ill inois is no t alone in 

### the country in having problttll\S i
. asu i ng Title V p er•ita. tn 

### Region 5 w e were t h e number

-- a fe w 11on t hs back,
we were the number one stat e in Region 5 a s 

### tar aa Title V pormit i ssuance an d ntl111be..r of perarl.ta. To qivo you a**c~rison .**  Reg io n 

## ?**onsi ~s**  ol th• states of Illi no is , Indiana ,**Obio~** Michig-an, W

i e eonain, and MJ.nne&ota. And · me Inspector Gener Al' s J: eport th.at I re fe rred 

### to ia av ail able



### (BY HR
. 

### N ILLES .: Again, it•s Bruce Nilles
w

ith tbe Sierra Club. Ju s t on the Tit le v pe . r.U.t fee, tile h oneat ;). OSvor to the quest i on the WOI'Iit
. n 

### jUAt aGkod, i e t h e Agency bas neve r had the**~••ourcea** 

### to do t he job
. Back in 

### 1993 it 

### said it needed abou t 16 

### to 18 tUlli on dOl l ars to do the job to get pemita issued. Within**thr~ e**  

### yeue. be.._en 1995 a nd 1998, th ey reAlized they couldn't Cbange the law pa1aed in 1990 by Congre&s,**re a~lzod**  thia stote, t . hey couldn't chaQ4e tho la_ w#
so they did the next best t h i nq; w hich make aure 

### the Ag ency could never charqe enougb permit 

### fees 

## , to h ire enough etaff to get t h e program done. They fouqht tooth**~nd** 

### nail at the 

### state le ;isl &tur - e , we cUd succeed, w e did c;et a 

## Perut

VES 0045821 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 12 

### 13 14 •

• 15 

### 16 17 18 19 20 

### 21 22 23 

### 24

·- 25 

### fee increese. The 

### honest answer is making sure 

### you never have the resource s to 

### qe t**~he** 

### jOb done. Tbe tPA 8tood bY a.nd let the p roq-ra.m lan;ui , •h for 

### year after yoar a£tar year . And I quess 

### I would continue w ith 

### a quest i on that 1 asked ear11er, vbich is wha t wou ld it take t<1 deny a perait? Have you ever deDied
. a pe..Ut bas.d on tomoooe's cccplia.nce record? And if i t'a 

### not tbis oo.plianco**~•cord** where 

### workers have been injured, doea incidents of e xplosions, firea? What mora dooa: it take before you say you're dono, 

### you are over, wo axe not qoincJ to 9ive you •**pe~it?** 

### What w oul d it**ta~e** i f 

### it's not this e&ae? CB'r MR. s&RifoT&It) : I wil·l try to anaver your question. We've denied state opera.ti.nq peralta**~:outinel** y 

### it**~ies** were not in coq>liance. On Title V permit ve ca.n iaeue a pernLit to a aou.rce v bo is out of cocqpliance,

·however, ve can put into the. pemit**~ c~liance**  plan and scbed\lle for COI'lpli.anee that is**entor~eable** 

### not only by ou r sta t e a9ancy but US£PA and by**~embers** 

### of the public. 

### (BY MR. NILLESt: Tbat •s not an · answer to the (1\W.Stion

. Because w e havE:: a compa.ny that



### VES 004583l 2 3

. 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 12 

### 13 14 

### 15 16 11 18 19 20 21 

### 22 23 

### 24 25**c~nsiotontly** 

### violated state and 

### tederal law. 

### When do you oay no? (BY MR. BELOGORSKYI : · You are to. lk in9 •bout 

### violationa? ViolAtion• of th e . land rules or violation s 

### ot the aLr rule$? 

### He 

### are**~alkin q**  

### about the 'l'itle v pemit. (
. BY HR. NILL£$): For the a.ir d.iviaion, and 

### asked for the land 

### &nd the 

### same fo r OSEPA. (BY KR. BELOGOI\S!cr): Tbi$ is two saparate 

### venue•, coapli&nce issues and enforcement 1aaues and 

### Title V ie1uea. Non-compliance 

### iaSu*s**wh~~e** 

### is i n tho Title v permit in qene.ral, 

### if thia ia the caae, 

### it whan this pa:tticuJ.ar fa cility docon•
. t 

### comply with the atate or federal**ru~es,** 

### the 

### compliance schedule given the company, a reasonable period of tiae 

### to brinq 0!)4tta:tion into 

### compliance. In this particular case this 

### effective re9Ulations, these uew matter rag$ w ill be 

### effective for this facility on June 30, 2004. IU.9ht DO¥ until Juno 30 they rill be**eubj~ct** 

### to**R~ ·**  

### rulea. Aftec June 30 they wil l be 

### subject 

### to new federal MAtT 

### rules. (8t HR ' , NILLES); You're still not answerinfil 

### my question. You are**rete~in g**  

### to the case in tho 

### Attorney General'• office for outstanding



### VES 004584

## .. 1 2 •3

4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 ll 12 

### 13 14 15 

### 16



### . 11 18 19 20 21 

### 22 23 

### 24 25 

### siqnificant non-compliance; eight? There is a
ca.ao iight now · wi t h the AG' s offi ce dealittg w ith oo.yx. 

### {BY MR. &ELOGORSKY): I honestly don ' t know
v hat tho**~ttorney** 

### General's**Off~ce** 

### is do i n9 

### beca..u.se

-- (BY HR
. N ILLES): Exactly my point. llhy do you not conaldar the point .ln d:ecidi.ng**vhetb•~** or not to opec ate in this community? (BY HR. BELOGORSJ!il: 'l'bis facility I'm not 

### tal k inq &bout, l am not talki ng 

### about thio facility, because l " m . no t**faai1 ia~**  

### w ith t ho**n~oroe~nt** 

### case at the A ttorn ey Genecal'5 right
now. If any facility violate s the rulo, thia 1a the certain venue that our enforce.ent people use to proceed and punish this coq>any. th i a is how w practice. It's not in the Title V per.it U 

### this fac i l it y doesn't violate state or fedezal requlat i on•. If they have a , fir e · or &ome a oeldont, it • a not related to the a i r rtanda
. rds enforc&DOnt by t!a atate · . ( BY !<R. DMGOIIIC H J: I w il l try to an&V0r that question a little bit, bu · t as the h.earin9 officer aaid ee.rlier, the problm · will be bette
. r 

### add$essod 

### ip w riting**bec~use** we 

### do n't havo



### VES 0045851 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 ll 12 

### 13 14 

### 15 16 17 18 

### 19 

### 20 21 22 23 

### 24 

### 25 enforoement people here. It"s an issue of denying the pom i t a , ppl iC: ation on its technical mer i ts and**enforc~ent ~**  

### on a**sep~r ate**  

### tract, and**th4~e·a** 

### specific enforcemant procedures that arc follovcd. 

### fbe**po~ita itsal~**  

### v oul d be 

### used as a tool. 1 -.ean, y o u could**i~e** violation of the pe.ra.it -.nd do anforeesent aq&inat that, but. you couldn • t deny the permit, and you probiWly know this better tban I do 

### beeau.e you aro an attorney and you**wo~ld** 

### know this ca•e by 

### law, 'but there were instances wheri£!1 I beU e v e we w ere accused Qf trying to**eircu~nt** 

### enforcement**ayste~** by 

### denyinq a**~4trtn 1t**  ba.eed upon the**viol~ti.ons.** En for cement**~as** 

## to 90 

### through the**.~fo~cement** 

### process. The permit has to be an iaa\le of denying based on teChnical 

### .erits of the opplication. (BY liS. RI EGLE I: I would like to clul.ty the 

### issue of bow 

### lo ng it**ta~** 

### to get a**pe~t-** 

### 1

· think it w ea answered three aoaths to issue a pent l t, how ru.ny hours we put into this permit. He didn't 

### Man he. picked i t up and three month• l&tor 

### he**h~ d**  

### it dona. It took quite a bit of tU.O. (BY**Hl~.** N I U£81: Can the OS&Pl\, do they**beli&~e** 

### they have the •utbori ty to deny?



### VES 0045861 2 3 4 

## s 6 7 8
. 9 10 ll 12
. 13 14 

### 15 16 l7 18

. 19 20 21 22 23 2 4 "2 5 

### (BY HR
. VICTORINE ): First al l, w ith this penll.t our guostio n i.s very s-mal l , but no t 

### wttnatand ing that , I**th i~** **k** 

### soxt of giv in g t h e ao m o 

### answer th a t Tod gave, I think it ' s a good question and
. I**wo u~d**  li ke to see it r aised to our enforceM-nt. 9tOU: P and see i f they -- you 

### tnow, i f t hey bave an a ttoroey. I'• really not the rig
. ht per•on to ans wer it, b\lt ve have the C oaaeo t on 

### the record and there w i11 be 

### responses to thoae
eonaonta . I think that's**p~bably** eha beat w ay t o 

### handle 

### it
. thanko. (BY HeM I N G
. OFFICER MATOBSIAll) : Do we 1\avo · any other CJUfll ti one or co noen t · s then at this



### · time? All ri ght then
. Well thank 

### y ou al l 

### tor
co m i n g, and ve hope to have c ompl ete re$p0nses to . you 

### a;'1d**ill** answer any fo:r'th e.r que stion&. Ag •in , the coanant period is until

-- ( BY HS
. MDIW\ ) : llheo v lll you r<tp ly to tl\e question of the extension o .f the comne.nt period? ( BY H ll. BRAD iliOS'r) : I tl\i nk tl\o bast thin; 

### tor us to do is toke**i~** back to our su.pe.xiors at tho EPA and they can revie w that, a.nd w e ecrt&in ly if 

### the de cisi on is made**~** 

### beariog Order w il l be · put i n to · 

### the record t ha t w ill be placed on the 

### Intet net, and it'a certainly r e asonable for us to



### VES 004587.• 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 3 l4 

### 15 16 

### 17 18 19 20 2 1 

### 22 23 24 

### 25 .ai l out a letter saying that to the people att e nding thi s**he ar!n~**  that the time period baa beeo extendttd. (BY HS.**ANO~IAl:** Also fox the**do~ents** thet
we r eque sted that are not avaUable that have not 

### been available to u s - - (BY HR
. 8IW) f!U)ST) :" liell, I think a lot of those doc\llrlent s so far that you · - I 'v e be<!:n t.h • 

### persoq -• just tor the**info~tion** 

### of the people here

- - that h&a bOon tryin g to 

### t rack**do~n** 

### cathy with the rot request to our office. She had 

### rec eived oome i nformac io n and**the~e** 

### w as 

### some**nlo~t lon.**  Onder ber r evie w she fo u nd t hings to be m.isa.lnq frccl\ the r ec ord.S. The 'FOI x:eviev wa.a 

### separated between the Bux eau of Air 

### and
.

### a~ and W

ate.r, ao a he c .- to De and she said can you oe-e i f you can f ind this. 1 did go to our Bureau of w.nd and I believe you received s0kll8 further**~tl,** but theo the .re vas**sti~ L**  sOfl)l)


### ou tstanding**doc~nts.** I 

### think those docunenta
are US&PA d.ocu1r1ents. !'hose trial burns of 200 2 to 200 0,. 

### • ere not reques t• d 

### by our A gency, of tho

### c~**ny,** 

### t hey vere done voluntar (l y by the · ·**c~ny .**  

### I t'a**~y** 

### understanding · they**we~•** 

### n ot**a~tted** 

### officiAlly to our agency. Now that's



### VES 0045881 2 3 4 5 6 

# , 8 "9 1 0 ll 

### 12 1 3 

## a 15 16 17 

### 19 19 

### 20 2 1 22 23 •**2~** 25 

### somethinq •aybe t he USEPA can expand on further. 

### I'm not auro. It's •Y unders tandin9 tho s e documents w e£e not thinga our agen cy rOquested of
the Coq>;U\Y• ($Y HS. ANDRIA) : Does the Agency have theca? If you bav • tbaza tbe:Y' re public record and. their subject to

### r-~eedoa of ln for:N. tion
. YOU 

### ca.n ' t aay that they v er• unof f icial bee au:se: you d.idn • t reque.et 

## the•· I f you have thea.. they're ou.£8- 

### (BY , MS·

### Rl&G~**E): ~hey**  were sent

### di**~ec tly**  to os£PA. ( 8 Y 

## Ms. ANORlA ) l Th e r e i s ' no copy at t h e 

### I lliPOi• ·

### EP~ of

### h~e multi

-- this i n spectton report, multi**po~t** 

### 2000. (8'! t_45. RIEGLE}: I doo't lc.nO"' that, but the aini burn• that they are tal king about we.re not 

### subaltbOd to the 1llinOiS &PA
. (Bt 

### HS : A!flliUAl: Since OSEPA is 

### a patty 

### to the vbole peP!dt: process of thi.s can they Ee.e\kl:IID.it the 

### pemit. and tte 9et our 30 days after: 

### we get it 

### and 

### oubeit • FOI 

### reqoest to tbe 

### OSBPA? 

### (BY 

### Ha. VICTORINE): I ' m not quite sure (Bt HS
. .

### AN~I~l: Wa w ant the d ocument. 

### If


### v e have to · qo to OSEPA we 'll**su~it** 

### a FO I to you. tBt HP.. VICTORnml : This i s v bich 

### clocUMnt?



### VES 0045891 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 12 13

. 14

15 1 6 17 

### 18 19 20 21

· 22 23 

### 24 

### 25 (BY MS. AN OR IAI : This is the 2000 multimedia 

### inspection r epo r t . plus tbe 

### tes t burns, and I asked about the test burn s and 

### wa£e told t hat they**~ere 't**  

### done
. I s that correct? (BY MR. BRAD FROST): All I know i s 

### we d9n 't have them. (BY MS. ANDRIA)! So 1' 1> asldnq if ><e don't have them, do you**~ve** them.? (BY 10.. VICTORINE) : We can look to our file. As far as the inspection report , 1 don •t. 

### know, and 

### I don't kno w about the 

### inspection that was donG by the state. (BY 145

. lUIDRIAl : US&PA

. Q (BY Ma. VIC!'OEUNE) : .Ag ai n., tbat' a somethinq 1 

### can raise to 

### the enforcement people tbat k eep that ki nd of**thin~.** (BY MS
. ANDIUA) : It• 

### s referenced in tb<l I lli.ni.os EPA documents.**OOcau~** when I w ent 

### through**t~e** 

### information material it 

### w as ref erenced the r e but it 

### wasn't

- - but it was missing. 

### (BY HS
. RIEGLE): It**soun~s** 

### l ike w e ' re talkif\9 About more than one thinq. M inspec ti on 

### report and**mul~ia** 

### are t wo separate tbin9s. (BY MR. NILLES): It ' s 2000**~timedia** report, EPA did a w.ul ti.taedia inspection.



### VES 0045901 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 

### 1 0 11 

### 12 13 14 

### 1 5 16 

### 17 

### 1 8 19 20 

### 21 

# n 23
. 

### 24 25 ·. (BY MS. RIEG.l.£): 'Xou are l eavinq out th e multimedia, a.nd wben I h e a r**in tion**  re po r t I • m .**~hinlcing** I& PA inspection report.

· (BY MR
. NILLES): 1lnd t he other i s · these 

### tri al burns , were those not part 

### of the rec ord? (BY MR. DRAGO VICH): X**t~i.nk** Mary vas t-t:yin9 

### to address that. (BY MS. RIEGLE) : 

### i:**~hinlc** they call tb<>m 

### mini -burns, that 

### is something th e faci lity did on their own. I t w as n't r equ i red ox asked for , that
w

as a company decision to do th ose burn s, so those
wou ld not be i n our re c ords. (SY MR
. IIARRIS): il a**~ci** thO se tes ts**ours~lves an~**  

### we hire d the ·testinq compAnies to**~~** on our sit e**~** test . I don't M &

nt to make this too $implis t ic, but if you wan -t to cocne I" 11 qi ve you a co py, just call ate or something, I 'll copy it and 3 end it t o you. Tbo se are not**requize~** 

### • . but 

### we did 

### thosa ' tests to 

### assure ouxae l v es t hat whe n i t 

### comes**~** 

### to comply w ith 

### the**xLmum ,**  

### o u r machines wi ll
. (BY MR. N I L LSS): Did you suboll. t th em to the US EPA? (BY HR. HARRIS): I f she said tboy were not**equ i~** **e4** 

### I ' m quite sure 

### we didn't**off al~y** 



## .. .

VES 00 4591

### 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 

### 10 11 

### 1 2 13 14 1 5 •1 6 11 18

· 19



### 20



## . . 21 22 23 24 25**s~bmit** 

### them, becaus & 

### theY v areo't required
.**Whe ho~**  

### w e q, vc s omebody a copy , 

### we may havo or may not have. You are certain ly wel.CoM t o thea 

### if you vould li k e them , call · and**~** 

### w ill give t h e• to**~·** Aa tar aa: the nw , lti.tedical 

### in
. specUona, W4t h.ave not c ec eived a copy. If you qat a copy -- (IIY MS.**):** li<o will. (8Y II&AAING OFFICER I<Aro£SlAN): W e'd like to thank you again for eOWLinq
. ttds wa sn't the .oa t 

### convenient place fo r this, but it•a the belt we
can do
. W e ' ll 

### a end the

### i:esponsi~nes**S** study out 

### to you. Goo d night. (Adjourn ed)



### VES 004 5921 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 

### 12 13 14 

### 15 16 11 1 8 19 

### 20 21 22 

### 23 2t 25**ST~TE** 

### OY · ILLINOIS )

COUNTY OF KADISON)
I, CYN'ft.JIA A. HYERS, 

### a Not.ary PUbUc in an4 toz:: 

### the County 

### ot Madison, Stat e of Illinois, do be..reby certify 

### that a heuing vas hal.d a t the Cahokia Vlll aqe , Q.a.l l , cabotia, IUinoi&
. by the

### Ill**nol~ EP~**  

### reqarding Draft CAAPP and RCRA Pex:ldta for Qnyx**Envi on.raent~~**  Se rvioos , Sauge t , · 

### Il li nois, and wa s ta ken in**~tenotype** 

### and**~r ans** **Cri.bo ct**  accordift91Y · l K W lTN&SS WKE.REO !' , I have hereunt o set •'i band and affixed ray

### nota~ia.l seal this 4th day of AIJ9U&t, A. 0. , 2003

-



### VES 004593

# z

VES 004594

# . . . . L.ah Pack**Decision~**

# R~vu# __

# ~------**--­** Received Date:-------- Decision: · . . Appioyed 

## D Disapj)ioved D Process 

## Code Auth 

## 01 02 Approyal**~ Si~·** **_;--...,..----- _;-**  

## Dale :,_..:

_ ___ _ 

## Total Pieces Appzoved Reactive ClaSs.,---- 

## Btu · 01
__


## · . As ' · 

## ppmBe ppmCd_..PPm
. Cr

_ _ _.ppmPb_ppm**Ash~** 

### Bun>.i!ls/HalldliJ)giMjsc..'lofurm•tion:.
___ .....,.______**~-- -------** **-------..-**



## . - : 

### . 

## Drum# 

## SUe!I')'pe 0/P 

# Pnim# Si:zel 

# m>e 0/P 

## Druinil ' Sizr.. 1 

## ype 

## 0/P I 11 21
' 2 

## 12 22 ' 

## 3 1:3 ' 

# 23 4 ' 14 24 5 : 

## 15 25 

## 6 16
. 

## 26 . 

## 7 17 27 . ' 

## 8 

## 18 28 

## 9

. 19 29 

# 10
. 20 

# 30 Technician's Signature

______ ____ __ 

## Date

_ ·

_ ___ Location
__ _;
Air Reactive 

## Water Reactive Gross Weight 

## Pallet/Container Wt Net Weight 

## Piecelfype Mfst. 

## GaiiCU. Yd. Mfst COMMENTS; 

## YesD ' NoD YesD NoD QuantHy

Total Type 

### Size Comments 

# . .......

..

· .

·.

VES 004595•,
000'1 

### 0002 ' 0003 Ul04 0005 ()()(lA 00117 

# u• ;()II 1)1)('1.j 0010 ' 0011 0012 0013 0014 0015 

# . 0016 0018 0019 0020 ' 0021 0022 0023 

## 0024 

## D<i2s D02f{ 0027 0028 

### 0029 0030

. 0031 

### 0032 · 0033 0034 ' 0035 

## 0036 0038 0039 0040,. 0043



### .**~** 

# -· FOOl F002 F003 F004 F005 F006 F007 F008 F009 ' F011 F012 F019 F03S ., ¥Ll02

. K003 K004 K005 • J\IJOt; K007 KOOII K009 K010 KD\5

. K016 1<017 1<018 

### 1<029 · K030 ' 

# .- 1<031 

### KD32 KD33 

### 1<034 KD3S 

### K038 1<037 K038 1<039 K040 K041 1<042 K044 KD45**~** KD4 T. K0411 K049 KOSO Kll61 

### K052 K062 

## l<il6.4 K4l65 KOO& 

### .w69 K071 K073 KD83 1<0&4 · 

## ' KLiaa IWSil 

### K090 K09 1 K093 K094 K095 K096 

## .· 1<&7 KD98 KIOO K101 K102 · K103 K105 1<111 K112 K113 K1l4 K115 K116 K117 K123 K124 K125 K126 K136

. K156 ' 1(157 K158 K159 K161 P001 P002 P003 1'004 P005 

### P006 ' PilOt P008 ' 

### POOll f'IJIO POll PO!? P013 

## Pm4 P01S 1'016 P017 P018 

## 1'020 P021 P022 P023 ;f>024 P026 POZ1 P028 P029 P030 

### 1'031 1'033 P034 · P038 P037 · P038 P039 

### P040 POo41 -:, .- P042 P043 P044 

### p04s P046 POo47 P048 P0411 P050 P051 PQ54 ' P056 P057 P058 

### Pbs9 P060 ' POB2**1'00~** P064**POO~** 

### P066 P067 

### POB8

. . 1?069 ' PCI10 ·P071 ' P,072 P073 · P074 P075 

# POn P080 P081 

### POO.l P004 P085 P087 

### POB8 P089 ' 1 ' 092 P093 P094 

### P005 PO!J6 P097 · .P098 P.099 · P101 P102 P103 · P104 P105 P106 P108
. P109 PliO P111 P112 P113 P114 P115 P116

. P118 P119

. P120 P121 ' ' ii122 P123 P127 P128 P185 P188 P189

. P180 P191 P192 P194 · ' P196 P197 P198 P199 P201 P202

. P203 P204 P205

0001 U002 

### r ll003 U004 uoos . U008 U007 U008 

## . U009 uo1o U011 U012 U014 U015 U016 U017 U018 U019 U020. UOL:t U022 · U023 U02 4 U025 U026 U027 Ul28 '



### - U029- 

## u03o U031 U0;\2 U033 Ull34 U03S U036 • UD37 U038 t tl039 U041 · U042 U043 U044 

## uci45 U()o4G: ' U047 U048 ' U049 U050' 1)051 U062 U053 U055 U056 U057 U058 U059 

### 006o U06! U062 ' U063 IJ064 U066 U067 U068 U069 

### u070


### . UOil ' U072

. •l.)073 U074 U075

. 

## uois 

# uon U078 U079 U080 U081

. U082 U083 ' 

## u084 u0a5 U066 " U067 ; U086 U089 U090 U091 U092 'U003

. lJ094 • 

### U095 U096 uti97 U098 

### t.i099 U101 U102 Ul03 t U105 U106 ' U107 U108 U109 · U110 U111 ' U112 U113 U114

. U 11S d1 1il' U117• U1 · 18 U1 1s • U12o U121 U122 • U123 U12 4 

## u1zs · \:1126 U131. 

### •'U1 ' 33 

## 11134 ' tJ!:JJ. ' li142 U127 U128 !..1129 U130 U135 · · - U137 U138 ' U140 · U141 U143 Ul"-4 

### IJ 1CS U1.Jil 

### 0 14 7.
. . , U148 ' U149 u1so , U152 U153 l U1 54 U155 U156 U157 U158 U159 Ul60 U161 U162

. Ul63 U164. U185 · U166 '**U1li~** U168 U169 Ul70 U171 U172 U173 UH4 Ui76 · UH7 U118 1)179**u~80 ,**  U181 ' '• U1S2. \ U183 · ' · Uf64 

## ,u;as 1;1186 • U187 ·' U188 Q189

. · U1110 U191 ' U192 U193 · 

## , o194 · , U196: · U197 

## uzoo , ' U201 1 .U202 

# .uzoa · U204 U205 U206 , U207 U208 U209 ' U210
- U211 U213 U2H' ' U2f5 · U216 ' • U2t7. ' 'U 2l8 ' U219 U220 U221 U222 ' tt223 'l/225 U226 V227 l/228 · U234 - U235
. U236 U237 U233 ' U239 U240 U243 · U244 U24& · U247 U248 U249 U271 

### 11278 U279 U280 U326 U353 U359

. IJ364 U367 U372 U373 U387 · 'l/360 U394 

### U39s U404 U409 \:1410

. U411

• ' METALS CODE S OSHA CARC I N OGEN CODES 

### Hq - Aa Be Cd 

# c.. Pb 

### 0004 POlS 

### 0006 0007 0008 

### 0009 IJ093 

# U1671 U168 1 P038 K002 P110 

### P092 U136 K005 U144 K006 U145 

# ' KD08 U146 U032


### Rev: 

### VES 004596

# VES 004597

. pdf

### Case: l:Q5.cv-{)4425 

### Document# : 1 Filed: 08102/05 

### Page 1 of 32 

### PageiD # : 1 

# FILED AUG- 2 ZOCSC Y JNTHEUNJTEDSTATESDISTRICTCOURT

## ~ FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS MICHAEL W. DOlliNS 

### EASTERN 

## DI VIS ION CUJIIC , 

### U . S, DIITRK:T COUIIT 

## SlliRRA CLUB , un d ) ) 

### AMER I CANBOTI OM ) 

### CONSERVANCY , ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) )**~** 

## ) ) 

## l STEPHEN L. JOHNSON, in 

### his official ) Clllllloi l y Qs Administrato r, U ni ted 

### States ) 

## Envlrownental Protccti1 >n Agency, ) ) 

### ) 

### [)Qfood ant. ) l**COMP~FORDECLARATOR Y**  

### AND INJUNCTIVE REUEP 

### PURSUANTT042 U.S.C. § 

### 7604
. (Environmental)



### l'lainliffs, Sierra Club and Alnerican Bottom Constli'Vancy, oo mplain of Defcndan( , 

### Stcpben 1.. 

### Johnson, a:s follows :
lNTRQDUCIION


### I
. Tllis is a 

### civil action for d ecluralory and 

### inj un ctive rel ief; 

### w it

h costs und**let~~,** 

### un der t he Clean Air 

### Act ("t h

e Act" or " CAA"), 42 U.S.C. §§ 

### 7401, et 

### seq ., 

### and 

### the Administrat i ve Procodnrc Act, 

## 5 U.S.C
. §§ 551, Cl SC{J
. 

### 2. Si=.l Club ami Autmcan 

### Bottom Conservancy ( tog ether " Plaintiffs") s eek on


### onler requiring the Defemlant, the Administrator o f the 

### Environmental Protection A[!p•cy

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### ("A d mini s\r4tor''), to 

### per fonn his non-discretionary duty to grant or d eny a pet i tion submitt<XI b y t lw Pl a intin s to the Admi nistrato r pursuant to CAA § 

### 50S(b)(2), 42 U
. S.C
. §§ 7661d(h)(2). 3. On February 1 8, 2004 , Siem1 Club ltlld Ame ri can Bott om Conservancy petitioned t he Adm i n i st rator, pursuant to CAA § 505(b){ 2 ), 40 CJ I.R.§ 70.8(d) an d E x ecutiv10 Order 12898, to objec t to a proposed CAA Ti t le V operating penn i t for the Ony x F .f

wironmenl'al Services'
was te incine rator in Sauget, nlinois ("the Perm it''). 4
. Pursuant to CAA 

### § SOS{b)(2) , 42 U
. S. C
. § 766l d(b)(2), the Administrator was required to grant oqleny Sit:ml Club und American Boltom Conservancy's peti tio n w i thin 60 

### days. 5
. 

### More titan 60 days have passed since Pl aintiffs pet i t

i <m e d th e Administrator. 6
. To date , the Adm i n

i st r ator has taken no a ct

ion on the Plaind ffs' petiti on . 

### P

A R TIES 7. 

### S iem C l ub 

### is an incorporated, not
- fur

-p rofi t orgllllizatlon located at 200 N
.**Mich t~8l** **t** 

### Avenue , Suite 505 , Chicago, Ill i nois, 60601. Its purpose is 

### to preserve , protect, and 

### enhance th e nntural cttviroruncnt. The mission of the Sierra Club is to i nOucnce public , private, and corpora te po li ci es through prO!!I'liRlS 

### ut 

### the local , state, national, and 

### internationa l l evels. Sierra Cl ub has**r** 

### 700,000 members n a t

i <mwide and 26,000 

### mernbm i n mino i s. 8
. American Bottom Conservancy is a not-for-profit conservation organizati on working to 

### protect the peo p le and resources of
. thc American Bottom flood pl a i

n in Southwestern Illinois. American Bot t om Co nservancy i s located at6 1 4 N orth 7"' S t reet, East St. Loui s, Ulinois, 62 201.



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. l'laintitfs' members l i ve, work, and rccrcaic around t he Onyx Envif()nmental Services 

## wa.• te incinerator in Sauget, ntinois. Plaintitfs' members breath e, usc and enjoy the mbient 

## air around the area ofSauget, Ulinois. Their heal t h and use ofthe air is 

### in\1)8lrcd by the pd l ution in 

### the 

### air cai.LSW hy 

### th e Onyx wasto incinerator in Sauget. Onyx's waste ineinctator
emi ts criteria and 

### hazardous air pollutants which negatively impact l' l aintitfs' mtmlb.:rs. Pl aintiffs ' membern a r e direct l y banned by dte AdmlnistriUOr's delay in 

### rc11p00diug to Plaintiffs' !)<tition. 10
. Additionally, Plaintiffs and 

### !heir memhenl would funherpar1icipat" in the public piOCeSSCS provided for b y 

### C'.ongres.' in the Clean Air Act if the Administrator would timely respond t o l' l a inli l l$' petitions, 

### including t!te petition At 

### is.<ruc in this case. TilC**Admini~ rator's**  

### fai l ure to respond to PlaintiiTh'**p~tition** 

### negatively affocts Pla i ntlfiS' procedural rights under the 

### CAA. ll. 

# ·niC !X fmdant is the Adm l nil!ln. wr o fthe**Un~** 

### States Environmeutall'roteetiou Ag<ncy ("U.S. EPA 

## j
. The**Admini~im!or** 

## ill**~ponsiblc** 

### for directing the 

### activities of lhc U.S. EJ> A and implementing the requircmatts of the CAA. Specifically, 

### the Admirristrutor is sta t ut<>rily 

### required to respond to 

### pcnlions under CAA § 

### SOS (h 

### )(2), 42 U .S.C. § 

### 7661 d( bX2). lQlUSDlCIJON AND YENUE 12.**Thi ~**  

### Cuurt has 

### sub j ect maner 

### jurisdicnon over the claims set 

### f(lrth in**thi~** 

### C>1f11lllaint putSU&ntto 42 U.S.C. § 

### 7604{aX2) , 2R 

### U
. S.C. § 

### 1331, aod 28 U.S. C.§ 2201. The rd iefrcquested by 

### tho Plaintiffs is 

### authc>ri Y.ed by stutute in 28 

### U .S.C. §§ 2201 Blld 2202, and 42 

## u.s.c. § 7604.



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