### UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OFFICE OF HEARINGS

IN THE MATTER OF: MTI TRAVEL, INC. Respondent Tuesday, June 3, 2014 Teleconference FDMS No. FAA-2014-0110

The conference took place via telephone, pursuant to notice, at 11:00 a.m. BEFORE: THE HONORABLE J.E. SULLIVAN, Administrative Law Judge

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### APPEARANCES: On Behalf of the Complainant: MICHAEL F. McKINLEY, ESQ. of: Federal Aviation Administration, Office of the Chief Counsel AGC-300, Senior Attorney, 800 Independence Avenue SW Washington, D.C. 20591

(202) 267-7100 (202) 267-5106 (fax) On Behalf of the Respondent: DAVID P. AFFINITO, ESQ. of: Dell'Italia, Affinito 

### & Santola 18 Tony Galento Plaza Orange, NJ 07050 (973) 672-8000 (973) 672-8215 (fax) Also Present: CODY L. SMITH, DOT Staff Attorney

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### P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 

### 11:00 a.m. 3 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: We're on the 4 record in the matter of MTI Travel, Inc. This 5 is Docket No. FAA-2014-0110. 6 Today is Tuesday, June 3, 2014 and 7 the parties have convened for a -- 8 (Inaudible due to interference) 9 

### MR. AFFINITO: I'm going to go 10 

### someplace else, Judge. I'm sorry. 11 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes, I'll note 12 that there was a lot of interference from the 13 location where Mr. Affinito was, and he's 14 going to take a minute to move. 15 

### MR. AFFINITO: I'm just going to 16 find a quiet room somewhere. 17 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, let us know 18 when you're ready. 19 

### MR. AFFINITO: Okay, I think I am. 20 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay? 21 MR. AFFINITO: Okay, that's good. 22 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, thank you.

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### MR. AFFINITO: Go ahead. 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: We'll note that 3 

### Mr. Affinito has repositioned himself. It 

### 4 seems like it's a little quieter. The parties 5 

### have convened for a Rule 16 litigation 6 

### scheduling conference. Mr. Michael F. 7 

### McKinley, the Attorney of Record for the 8 

### Federal Aviation Administration is present. 9 

### I'll hereinafterrefer to the FederalAviation 10 

### Administration as the FAA. Also present on 11 

### behalf of the Respondent MTI Travel, Inc. is 12 

### Mr. David P. 

### Affinito, the Attorney of Record. 13 

### Good morning to you both. 14 

### MR. AFFINITO: Good morning, Your 15 

### Honor. 16 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: As I understand 17 

### it, essentiallythe parties have filed a Rule 18 

### 26(f) joint proposal, and I have a couple of 19 

### questions to ask you about that. Mr. 20 

### McKinley, I'll start with you, first. As I 21 

### understand it, there are still issues in 22 dispute between the parties, both in regard to

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### 1 the allegation violation and the asserted 2 

### penalty of $22,000, 

### is that correct? 3 

### MR. McKINLEY: That's correct, 4 

### Your Honor. 5 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, help 6 

### me out a little bit, in terms of the 7 

### violations, first. Given the complaint, it 

### s was a little difficult for me to know exactly 9 

### how many violations you're alleging. Can you 10 

### tell me that? 11 

### MR. AFFINITO: Michael, go ahead. 12 MR. McKINLEY: Well, I'll talk 13 

### about

-- 14 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And I'm going to 15 

### interrupt. Mr. Affinito, all the questions 16 

### are addressedto Mr. McKinley, until I turn to 17 

### you. 18 

### MR. AFFINITO: Thank you, Judge. 19 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, Mr. 20 McKinley, please go ahead. 21 

### MR. McKINLEY: Are you talking 22 about the number of violations, or type of

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### 1 violations? 2 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Both. 3 

### MR. McKINLEY: Okay, well, there 4 

### are two major violations. There is one 5 violation for MTI using a contract employee, 6 who we believe to be a contract employee, to 7 do maintenance on one of their helicopters, 8 and that person had not been pre-employment 9 tested. That was the first issue. The second 10 issue is Mr. Miller, who is the owner of MTI, 11 did not report immediately for a random drug 12 test. 13 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 14 

### MR. McKINLEY: So, those are the 15 two basic issues in the case. 16 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Got it, and so, 17 essentiallyyou have two major violations and 18 then a variety of counts within each of those 19 major violations? 20 

### MR. McKINLEY: Correct. 21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: So, each major 22 violation is being assigned a potential

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### 1 penalty of $11,000, the maximum? 2 

### MR. McKINLEY: Actually, the way 3 it broke out was that the violation against 4 the mechanic, we alleged

-- we used the amount 5 of $3,300. The violation against Mr. Miller 6 was a cumulative $18,700. 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, that's 8 

### helpful. Let me ask you this. In terms of 9 the number of days for hearing, assuming, just 10 for the sake of today's discussion, that there 11 is no settlerrent, and there is no further 12 narrowing of the issues, how many witnesses, 13 in general, do you think you would need to 14 call and how much time do you think it would 15 take for you to present your prima facie case? 16 

### MR. McKINLEY: Approximatelythree 17 witnesses, probably a morning to present our 18 case. 19 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And when you say 20 a morning, does that mean three hours, four 21 hours? What does that mean for you? 22 

### MR. McKINLEY: Having not appeared

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### 1 before you, Judge, I don't know what time you 2 

### like to start. I'm figuring most-- if we're 3 

### using somebody else's Courtroom, we're not 4 

### going to be able to start until 8:30 

### or 9:00 5 

### a.m., and I'm figuring that time, until about 6 

### noon. 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, so about 8 

### three hours? 9 

### MR. McKINLEY: Yes. 10 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, in terms of 11 

### the discovery, you had indicated in your Rule 12 26 

### (f) submission that you want to complete 13 

### discovery on or before July 11, 2014, 

### which 14 

### indicates to me that you may already be done 15 

### with most of your discovery. Is that, in 16 

### fact, the case? 17 

### MR. McKINLEY: Fifty percent 18 

### correct, Judge. They have answered our 19 

### discovery. We owe them discovery. 20 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and so, in 21 terms of the discovery that you've done, 22 you're basically doing written submissions?

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### 1 You're not going to do depositions or any of 2 

### those kinds of things? 3 

### MR. McKINLEY: We have done 4 

### written submissions and we have no intention 5 of doing any depositions. 6 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, Mr. 7 

### Affinito, let me turn to you next. 8 

### MR. AFFINITO: Yes, Your Honor. 9 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Assuming that 10 there is no settlement and that the case 11 issues are not narrowed in any way from today, 12 to the date you would appear for hearing, 13 about how many witnesses do you estimate that 14 you might need to call for hearing, and how 15 long do you think those witnesses would need 16 to take for their prima facie evidence to be 17 adduced? 18 

### MR. AFFINITO: Your Honor, the 19 most I can foresee are four witnesses, and 20 depending on the discovery responses I get, 21 and if I send requests with admissions, I 22 might be able to pare that down to two,

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### 10 1 possibly three, and I would think that if 2 everybody is present, it couldbe done in half 3 a day to a day. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and then in 5 terms of your discovery needs, are you pretty 6 much done with your discovery, or do you need 7 to conduct further discovery and if so, what 8 are you looking at? 9 

### MR. AFFINITO: Well, I'm waiting 10 for a response to my request to produce 11 documents, and it kind of has a 

### few 12 interrogatories thrown in there. But pretty 13 much, it's a document production request, and 14 depending on what I receive, I may need to 15 take depositions to prove certain points, or 16 requests for admissions, or we might be able 17 to stipulate as to certain points. 18 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 19 

### MR. AFFINITO: But I need to prove 20 that certain witnesses in the

-- will affirm 21 that my client made certain communications to 22 them, and if I can't do that on paper, then I

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1 need to do it through a subpoena or a 2 deposition, or some sort of a written 3 interrogatory. 4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, both of you 5 have talked and agreed to Newark, New Jersey 6 for the location of the hearing, and Newark 7 does have Federal Courthousefacilities, which 

### s is great, and I'm happy to adopt that as our 9 primary venue, assuming we can get Courthouse 10 facilities. 11 If we can't get Courthouse 12 facilities in Newark, we would default to the 13 next nearest area to Newark for the hearing, 14 and I'll let you folks know that long before 15 the hearing. So, let's talk about scheduling. 16 Let me see. You have not 17 MR. AFFINITO: Your Honor? 18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I'm sorry, Mr. 19 Affinito, yes? 20 MR. AFFINITO: Yes, I'm looking at 21 a May 27th letter by Mr. McKinley. It's a -- 22 I think it's an amended scheduling letter,

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### 12 1 where the completion of discovery would be 2 June 19th, and then July 18th for the filing 3 

### of stipulations. I think, Mr. McKinley, 4 

### didn't we agree that there would be a change 5 

### on those dates? I don't know if Her Honor is 6 

### looking at the right letter. 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: I can tell you 8 

### that I am looking at a May 27, 2014 Rule 26 (f) 9 

### submission, signed by both of you, and it 10 

### indicates a July 11, 2014 date for completion 11 of discovery, with an August 18, 2014 date

-- 12 MR. AFFINITO: Okay. 13 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN:

-- for filing of 14 

### stipulations and so forth. If something else 15 

### has been filed since then, I do not yet have 16 

### it. 17 

### MR. AFFINITO: I apologize, Your 18 Honor. I'm looking at the older one and not 19 the newer one I have, it's in my files in the 20 other room. 21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 22 MR. AFFINITO: So, I just picked

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### 13 1 up the wrong one by mistake. 2 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, well, that 3 leads us to a littlebit of discussionanyway, 4 because it looks to me like you folks are 5 thinking that you may have a trial date 6 shortly after August 2014, and that may be an 7 erroneous presumption on your part, given my 8 trial schedule. 9 I think probably what we should do 10 first is talk about what the likely trial 11 dates would be, and then we can work our way 12 back to, by your completion of discovery, the 13 filing of stipulations and witness lists, the 14 exchange of exhibits and setting up on my 15 calendar, what I call a summary judgement 16 telephoneconference, motionconference, which 17 I convert to a pre-hearing status conference, 18 if dispositive motions are not filed. 19 

### So, Mr. McKinley, I 'm going to 20 

### turn to you again. Based on the Rule 26(f) 21 materials, when did you ideally hope for a 22 trial date to be?

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1 MR. McKINLEY: Looking at my 2 schedule now, probably not until after

-- not 3 until after September 1st. 4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 5 MR. McKINLEY: My August is in 6 fact since, the May 27th letter that the two 7 of us agreed to, I am gone from this office 8 pretty much from July 21st through August 9 30th, with one thing or another. 10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and Mr. 11 Affinito, why don't you tell me a little bit 12 about your schedule, and then I will tell you 13 both about mine. 14 MR. AFFINITO: Judge, my schedule 15 is very malleable. After September 1st, I can 16 probably go along with anything that you 17 require, and if something comes up from 18 another Judge, I could probably have that 19 postponed, just by asking for an adjournment. 20 I would give priority to this case. 21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, well, the 22 only time I have available this year is one or

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### 1 two weeks in November of 2014, and I actually 2 have trials scheduled in 2015 already. So, if 3 

### you folks think that you can have this case 4 

### done in hearing in two days or less, I can 5 

### schedule for you a November trial date. 6 

### MR. AFFINITO: Your Honor? 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: If not, then I 8 

### would have to be moving you into my normal 9 schedule, which is going into 2015. 10 

### MR. McKINLEY: Your Honor, this is 11 

### McKinley. November is wide open for me at 12 

### this point. 13 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, Mr. 14 Affinito, how about for you? 15 

### MR. AFFINITO: November is not a 16 problem for me. 17 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 18 

### MR. AFFINITO: However, after the 19 first of the year isn't a problem for me 20 either. 21 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 22 MR. AFFINITO: So, I could very

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-- I would rather have it later, rather 2 than sooner, but I'll leave it up to the 3 Court. 4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes, let me ask 5 you a question, folks. In terms of what 6 you've exchanged so far, is it possible that 7 you would be filing any dispositive motions, 8 because that will alter my trial schedule 9 ability, as well, starting with you, Mr. 10 McKinley. 11 MR. McKINLEY: Nothing anticipated 12 at the moment, Judge. 13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And Mr. Affinito? 14 MR. AFFINITO: I don't think so, 15 Judge. I think the facts are in dispute. 16 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, all right. 17 Then let's do this. I'm trying to decide. 18 I'm trying to find Thanksgiving, and I think 19 I've found it. How about if we try for 20 Thursday, November 20th I'm sorry, not 21 Thursday, excuse me. Tuesday, November 2Oth 22 and Wednesday, November

-- I'm sorry, I'm

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-- I have

-- my calendar is not 2 giving me the right dates. Okay, I've got -- 3 well, then that wouldn't work. 4 MR. McKINLEY: Tuesday would be 5 November 18th. 6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Right, and I have 7 something scheduled already. So, let me go to 8

-- that doesn't work either. Okay, how about 9 Tuesday, November 4th and Wednesday, November 10 5th, and let me make sure that I'm not going 11 to be I have to make sure. That should 12 work, okay. 13 MR. McKINLEY: It works for the 14 FAA. 15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and how 16 about for you, Mr. Affinito? 17 MR. AFFINITO: I see no conflict 18 of that, Judge, the 4th and the 5th of 19 November. 20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Then November 3rd 21 would be a travel day for those of us who need 22 to travel in, and November 6th would be a

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### 18 1 travel day, as well, with the trial starting 2 November 4th, and I'm reservingtwo full days, 3 

### since there's a 

### possibility that the 4 Respondent'sresponsivecase could take a full 5 

### day. If we don't take all that time, then 6 

### that's fine. We don't need to use it. So, 7 that puts me at -- let me back track a little 8 bit for some other things. 9 

### The filings, exhibits and witness 10 lists and stipulations on or before 11 

### approximatelyOctober 6th, unless you want to 12 do it for October 3rd. 13 Mr. McKinley, do you have a 14 preference? 15 

### MR. McKINLEY: No preference. 16 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Affinito? 17 

### MR. AFFINITO: No preference, Your 18 Honor. 19 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Let's say October 20 3rd. That gives you a weekend to relax, and 21 then we're going to talk about setting a pre22 hearing status conference in September.

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### MR. AFFINITO: Your Honor, David 2 Affinito. May I ask a question? 3 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Surely. 4 

### MR. AFFINITO: Will the Court be 5 sending out an order with these dates on it to 6 Counsel? 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. 8 

### MR. AFFINITO: Because I'm not in 9 a position right now to record all of this. 10 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: I will send out a 11 veryspecificlitigationschedulingorderthat 12 will have every date that we talk about, as 13 well as some information about how to file 14 motions, if something comes up during your 15 discovery that you can't resolve informally. 16 There will also be information about attorney 17 withdrawal, if attorneys change at the FAA or 18 attorneys change for the Respondent. 19 There is information about who to 20 contact in my office, if you need to get on my 21 calendar for a conference or a motion. All of 22 that will be covered in this, in the material

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### 1 that I

-- in the order that I send out to you. 2 So, let's talk about the week of September 3 21st for a one-hour pre-hearing status 4 conference. Mr. McKinley, startingwith you, 5 do you have any black-out dates during that 6 week? 7 

### MR. McKINLEY: No, I do not. 8 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And Mr. Affinito, 9 same question to you. 10 

### MR. AFFINITO: I do not think so, 11 Judge. 12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 13 

### MR. AFFINITO: Almost certainly, I 14 don't. I just can't confirm it, but I'm not 15 going to I'll go along with whatever date 16 you have at this point. 17 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Affinito, do 18 you have any preference as to morning or 19 afternoon time? 20 

### MR. AFFINITO: The morning is 21 better. 22 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And Mr. McKinley,

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### 21 1 same question to you? 2 MR. McKINLEY: Morning is fine 3 with me. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, then let's 5 tryforTuesday, September23, 2014, and let's 6 try for 10:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. for a pre7 hearing status conference, and if you have 8 motions, last minute motions, you can also 9 file them at that point, but it's better 10 actually, if you schedule the motion for a 11 different day, and there will be information 12 on how to do that with the attorney who works 13 for me in the litigation scheduling order. 14 

### So, before, I'm going to check a 15 couple of other dates and times for you. 16 I'm simply going to note that general 17 discovery should be initiated on or before 18 today. Mr. McKinley, I presume that you and 19 Mr. Affinito have already engaged in all the 20

-- and exchanged all the initial disclosures 21 that you need, without asking each other 22 specifically for the same.

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### 22 1 MR. McKINLEY: We have. 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, so, I won't 3 include that in this order. Okay, typically 4 I set out in my orders, a due date for 5 providing specific information about a hired 6 or employee expert disclosure. So, if either 7 the FAA or the Respondent decide to hire an 8 expert, that expert should be disclosed. 9 If the FAA has an employee expert 10 whose duties regularly involve giving expert 11 testimony, that person should be specifically 12 disclosed. I'm going to set a discovery end 13 date first, and then we can go back and prior 14 to that discoveryclosure date, set a date for 15 the disclosures of retained or hired/employee 16 experts. 17 

### So, we have a pre-hearing status 18 

### conference. I'm going to just look at my 19 

### calendar really quickly. Mr. McKinley, you 20 had said that you were booked solid from July 21 through the end of August at some point, is 22 that right?

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### 1 MR. McKINLEY: That's correct. I 2 have a window, the second half of the week of 3 August 4th. So, the sixth

-- well, actually, 4 yes, the 6th, 7th and 8th, basically the only 5 window I have that month. 6 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and is that 7 why you have such an early discovery 8 completiondate on this Rule 26 (f) submission? 9 

### MR. McKINLEY: Actually, no. The 10 two things that I am committed to in August 11 came up afterwards, after that. 12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: All right. 13 

### MR. McKINLEY: Just within the 14 past like three or four days. 15 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and Mr. 16 Affinito, you had mentioned taking some 17 depositionspotentially. Is the July 11, 2014 18 date still workable for that? 19 

### MR. AFFINITO: My son is my son 20 is getting married in July, and we're taking 21 off two weeks for that, in Cape May, and I'm 22 trying to think of the exact date, but it's

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1 

### right in that area. I think it's July 9th and 2 then two weeks after that. I know July is a 3 

### bad month for me. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, July 5 11, 

### 2014 still remains good for both of you 6 

### then, as the discovery cutoff date, Mr. 7 

### McKinley? 8 

### MR. McKINLEY: For us, yes. 9 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Affinito? 10 

### MR. AFFINITO: I think that's 11 

### okay, Judge. 12 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, then I'll 13 

### adopt that, and then I'm going to ask you 14 

### both, prior to July 11, 2014

-- that doesn't 15 

### give you much time. Why don't we -- 16 

### MR. AFFINITO: Judge, excuse me. 17 

### David Affinito. I have a -- that July 11th 18 

### date will depend on when I get the discovery 19 

### from Mr. McKinley. At that point, I'll need 20 

### to make a decision as to whether depositions 21 

### will be needed or whether written 22 interrogatories or requests for admissions

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### 25 1 will suffice. So, I'm concerned I might be 2 

### squeezed for time. It's coming up quick. 3 It's already June 3rd. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: When did you 5 serve those discovery requests on the FAA? 6 

### MR. AFFINITO: I'd be guessing, 7 but I'm thinking it was about two to three 8 weeks ago. 9 

### MR. McKINLEY: May 16th. 10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, thank you. 11 

### I'11 

### note that Mr. McKinley provided the date 12 of May 16th. So, okay, so, they have a due 13 date of approximatelyJune 16, 2014, and Mr. 14 McKinley, tell me again what your non15 availability is in July and August. 16 MR. McKINLEY: From July 14th 17 through the end of the month I'm out of the 18 office. I'm sorry, I take that back. From 19 

### July 28th. I'm gone the whole last week of 20 July. So, that's July 27th through August 21 2nd, and then I'm back out of the office-- I 22 am out of the office again from August 11th

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### 1 Let's put July 25th for the date of general 2 

### discovery completion and then let's put July 3 

### I'm looking at my calendar for just a 4 

### minute, please. Let's say July l, 2014 for 5 

### disclosure, if you -- if either party retains 6 

### or hires an expert witness or there is an FAA 7 

### employee expert that needs to be disclosed 8 

### with their particular testimony. 9 

### Then we have a 

### telephone 10 

### conference already set up. We also have set 11 

### up the list of witnesses and exchange of 12 

### exhibits. Do you want a deadline for filing 13 

### dispositivemotions, or do you think you' 11 

### be 14 

### able to do that on your own, Mr. McKinley? 15 

### MR. McKINLEY: If you want to set 16 

### a date, that's fine with me, Judge. But I 17 

### think we could probably do it on our own. I 18 

### don't anticipate there being any dispositive 19 

### motions from this end. 20 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, Mr. 21 

### Affinito, how about you? 22 

### MR. AFFINITO: I agree, Your

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### 1 Honor. 2 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, I won't set 3 one and I'll leave it to the parties to file 4 

### that, if they so need. Let's see, I should 5 simply note that with the exhibits, I want to 6 make sure that you know that you should be 7 providing

-- creating and providing an index 8 cover sheet withyour pre-markedexhibits, and 9 you want to do that in part, so that we all 10 can figure out what exhibits there are and how 11 to refer to them. 12 Then when the originals are filed 13 with the Hearing Docket, the Hearing Docket 14 has the ability to file them appropriately, 15 and I'll have that information contained in 16 the litigation scheduling order. All right, 17 starting with you, Mr. McKinley, is there 18 anything else we need to cover for your client 19 now, before we close today? 20 

### MR. McKINLEY: No, we do not, 21 Judge. Thank you. 22 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Affinito, on

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### 1 behalf of your client, any other matters we 2 need to address before we close today? 3 

### MR. AFFINITO: I can't think of 4 

### any Judge. Thank you very much. 5 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you both 6 very much for your work on the CR-26 (f) 7 materials and also, for your presence today. s It appears our business is complete. I'll be 9 sending out an order setting litigationdates 10 and procedures either this afternoon or 11 tomorrowmorning, and will serve you each with 12 a copy by fax, as a courtesy, in addition to 13 the mailed copy. With that, I'm going to 14 

### thank you again. We can go off the record, 15 and I wish all a good day. 16 

### MR. McKINLEY: Thank you, Judge. 17 

### MR. AFFINITO: Thank you, Your 18 Honor. 19 

### (Whereupon, the above-entitled 20 matter went off the record at 11:30 a.m.) 21 22

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This is to certify that the foregoing transcript

In the matter of: MTI Travel, Inc.

Before: DOT Office of Hearings

Date: 06-03-2014

Place: Teleconference

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under my direction; further, that said transcript is a true and accurate record of the proceedings.

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