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O nBehal f o f th e Complainan t Federa l Aviatio nAdministra t ion : RYA NM . LANDERS , ESQ . Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counsel , ASO- 7 Souther nRegio n Pos t Offic e Bo x2063 6 Atlanta , Georgi a 3032 0 (404 ) 305-520 0

O nBehal f o f th e Responden t Islan dBird s

KATHLEE NA . YODICE , ESQ . TALBO T M . MARTIN , ESQ . o f : Yodic e Associate s 41 1 Aviatio nWa y Suit e 24 5 Frederick , Marylan d 2170 1 (301 ) 695-230 0

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 (1 2 : 5 9 p.m . ) JUDG E SULLIVAN : We ' r e o nth e recor d i nth e matte r o f Islan d Bird s Inc . Thi s i s Docke t Numbe r FAA-2011-100 8 . Th e da y i s Wednesday , Januar y25 , 2012 . And , th e partie s hav e convene dfo r a telephoni c litigatio nschedulin g conference .

Th e FAAattorne yi s Rya nLanders , an d he' s presen t b ytelephone . Th e respondent . Islan dBird s Inc . , i s represente d byKathlee nYodice . Sh e i s als o presen t b y telephone . Presen t wit hMs . Yodic e i s a Mr . Martin . Mr . - - Ms . Yodice , coul d yo u identif ywh o Mr . Marti ni s fo r ou r recor d today ? MS . YODICE : Yes . Mr . Talbo t Marti ni s a nassociat e wit hou r la wfirm .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Than k you . And , i s h e observin g today ? I s tha t - -

MS . YODICE : Well , You r Honor , h e

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 9 ? i nth e representatio no f th e clien t i nthi s

matter . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . But , yo u ar e appealin g an d speakin g o nbehal f o f th e clien t today ?

MS . YODICE : Yes , I am . You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Than k you . Okay , folks , jus t a s a preliminar y matter , i nessenc e th e - - thi s cour t sen t ou t onDecembe r 1 , 2011 , a norde r settin g Rul e 1 6 schedulin g conferenc e an d directin g a Rul e 2 6 , Subsectio nF , a s i nFrank , plannin g meetin g
an d submission . And , the no nJanuar y19 , 2 012 , I receive dth e parties ' join t Sectio n 1 3 . 217/Rul e 2 6 , Subsectio nF , a s i nFrank , report . Than k yo u ver ymuch .

W e d o hav e a coupl e differen t matter s t o discus s thi s afternoo ni nadditio n t o th e materia l tha t you'v e alread ypresented . And , wh ydon' t I star t wit hyou , Mr . Landers , sinc e yo u ar e representin g th e complainant ?



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repor t wa s filed , hav e ther e bee nanychange s tha t th e partie s wan t t o aler t m e to ?

MR . LANDERS : Ther e hav e not . You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . The nm y secon dquestio nis , i t appear s tha t yo u hav e a fairl ytigh t schedul e tha t you'v e worke dou t together . Jus t s o tha t yo u al l know , i f ther e ar e dispositiv e motions , I lik e t o se t up a specifi c repl y- - a nanswe r time , repl ytime , an d the nora l argument , whic hhaven' t bee n addresse d i nyou r material s tha t I hav e befor e m e . And , w e ca nd o tha t toda yi npar t becaus e yo u scheduled , o r you , yo u indicate d
a ninteres t i nschedulin g th e tria l th e wee k tha t I won' t b e i ntown . I'l l b e o nvacatio n actuall ytha t week . So , w e hav e a littl e bi t o f wiggl e roo mi f yo u wil l becaus e I won' t b e abl e t o schedul e a tria l th e wee k o f Ma y14 , 201 2 .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 3 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . LANDERS : Okay . JUDG E SULLIVAN : So , le t m e star t wit hyou , Mr . Lander s . I nterm s o f th e dispositiv e motion , yo u indicate da dat e o f Apri l 20 , 2012 . Wa s tha t th e dat e tha t yo u anticipate d bot hth e motio nan dth e answe r t o hav e thi s file do r wa s tha t a dat e tha t yo u though t woul d b e fo r th e motio nonly ?

MR . LANDERS : Th e motio nonly . You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Okay . So , i nlookin g a t you r calendar , an d I' mgoin g t o b e talkin g t o Ms . Yodic e abou t thi s too , bu t i nlookin g a t you r calendar , let' s assum e jus t fo r th e sak e o f argumen t tha t yo u woul db e filin g a motio nfo r summar yjudgemen t o r som e othe r typ e o f dispositiv e motio no no r befor e Apri l 20 , 2012 .

D o yo u hav e som e suggestion s fo r thi s administrativ e cour t abou t whe nyo u woul d expec t t o hav e a timel yanswe r an dwhe nyo u thin k yo u shoul db e filin g a reply , i f any .

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4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 befor e ora l argumen t starts ? MR . LANDERS ; A s fa r a s a nanswer , I v;il l leav e tha t up t o Ms . Yodice . A s fa r a s m yreply , I ca nhav e tha t t o th e cour t withi n thre e day s o f m e gettin g he r answe r shoul dI fil e one . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Okay . Okav . M s . Yodice , le t m e tur nt o yo u the nfo r thos e particula r questions . Let' s assume , fo r example , Mr . Lander s file s a motio no nApri l 20 , 2012 , an dyou'r e th e answerin g party , ho wmuc htim e d o yo u usuall y nee d t o fil e a nanswe r t o suc ha motion ?

MS . YODICE : Well , You r Honor , it' s har d t o predic t wha t th e motio nwoul d b e an d ho wstraightforwar do r comple xi t coul dbe , bu t i nothe r area s i nwhic hw e practice , w e ar e typicall yworkin g wit ha 3 0 t o - - excus e me , a 1 5 t o 3 0-dayrespons e tim e fo r thes e kind s o f matters . And , we' d certainl yb e willin a to . t o tr vt o accommodat e tha t kin do f

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### tim e frame .JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . I nth e

jurisdictio ni nwhic hI practice d prio r t o comin g t o ' th e U.S . Departmen t o f Transportation , typicall ywa s betwee n1 0 an d 1 4 days . So , wha t I'l l d o i s I'l l er r o nth e sid e o f cautio nan d I'l l jus t tak e a loo k a t
m ycalenda r fo r a 15-da yperiod .

So , i t look s lik e tha t woul d end

up o na weekend , s o ho wabou t i f w e sayMa y7 , Ma y8 ? Doe s tha t soun d goo dt o you ?

MS . YODICE : Yes , You r Honor , tha t sound s fine .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Let' s say Ma y8 jus t t o er r o nth e sid e o f caution . And , the nwit ha reply , i nm yprio r practice , th e repl ywa s usuall ydon e withi nseve ndays . And , I've hear d fro mMr . Lander s tha t thre e day s i s acceptabl e fo r him , bu t since , Ms . Yodice , yo u potentiall ycoul db e th e movin g part yi nanysuc hmotio nwit hresponsibilit y fo r a repl yi f yo u chos e t o fil e one .

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### Woul d thre e day s wor k fo r yo u o r

v;ould yo u prefe r somethin g a littl e longer ?

MS . YODICE : Well , You r Honor , consisten t wit hyou r practice , I woul dprefe r th e seven-da yrepl yperiod .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Okay . The n let' s pu t a repl ydat e a s 5/15/2012 . And , the nI ' mlookin g a t m ycalenda r fo r ora l argument . And , sometime s - - sometime s I don' t nee d ora l argument , bu t nin e time s ou t o f te n fo r dispositiv e motions , I lik e t o hav e i t becaus e I findtha t i t ca nb e ver yhelpfu l an d persuasive , particularl ywhe nI hav e som e question s abou t th e material .

So , i nlookin g a t you r calendars , T actuall yhav e Ma y2 4 ope nal l da yi f bot h partie s hav e tha t dat e ope nfo r a nora l argumen t b

ytelephon e lik e we'r e doin g today . I f tha t da ydoesn' t work , I ca nloo k a t th e followin g week .

Startin g wit hyou , Mr . Landers , d o yo u hav e tim e availabl e o nMa y24 , 2012 ?

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9 9 Ope ntha t day . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . And , Ms . Yodice , ho wabou t you ? MS . YODICE : Yes , You r Honor , we'r e avallable . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Doe s anybod yhav e
a blackou t tim e tha t the ydon ' t wan t m e t o consider ? Startin g wit hyou , Mr . Landers .

MR . LANDERS : No , ma'am . JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , Ms . Yode r - - Yodice , excus e me ?

MS . YODICE : Well , You r Honor , I' m no t sur e ho wfa r ou t you'r e asking , bu t betwee nno wan dtha t Ma ytim e period , w e ca n b e flexibl e wit hdates .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Well , I' mtalkin g abou t th e da yo f Ma y24 , 201 2 fo r a one-hou r telephon e motio nconference .

MS . YODICE : Oh , I' msorry . You r Honor . I though t w e addresse d that , bu t tha t woul d - - i s a navailabl e dat e fo r u s fo r ora l

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5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 argument . JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , m yquestio n

t o yo u is , d o yo u hav e an ytim e perio do ntha t d a ytha t yo u don' t wan t m e t o set ?

MS . YODICE : I understan d now . You r Honor . I' msorr yfo r m ymisunderstanding . No , we'r e availabl e al l day .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Than k you . Wh ydon ' t w e pla no nth e same , sam e approximat e tim e a s whe nw e starte dtoday ? I' m jus t goin g t o ad d- - I'l l pu t 1:3 0 down . So , o nMa y24 , 2012 , fro m1:3 0 t o 2:30 , I' m goin g t o schedul e a nora l argumen t o nan y potentia l dispositiv e motion s tha t ar e filed .

I f neithe r o f yo u fil e dispositiv e motions , I'l l cance l tha t ora l argumen t a s bein g no t needed , bu t tha t wa yw e hav e i t al l

se t u p righ t no wjus t i ncase .

Tha t leave s u s wit hlookin g a t

som e alternat e time s fox " a tria l dat e o r a hearin g dat e afte r Ma y24 , 2012 . Le t m e tak e
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5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 And , i t look s lik e tha t put s m e

int o June , an dm ycalenda r i nJun e ha s no t ye t ha d an yhearing s set , s o I ' mver yflexibl e i f Jun e woul d wor k fo r th e tw o o f you .

Mr . Landers , startin g wit hyou . MR . LANDERS : Excus e me , You r Honor . Th e wee k o f th e 4th , I a munavailable , an d the ntha t Monda yan d Tuesda yo f th e 11th , s o startin g th e 13t hon , I' mavailabl e th e res t o f tha t month .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , wit hthat , ho w lon g d o yo u thin k thi s cas e wil l nee dfo r
a tria l date ?

MR . LANDERS : I envisio ni t onl y takin g on e day , bu t I don' t kno who wman y witnesse s Ms . Yodic e i s plannin g o ncalling . I envisio njus t presentin g th e on e witnes s fo r th e administrator .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . And , becaus e i t wasn' t clea r t o m e i neithe r o f you r materials , an dyo u didn' t addres s i t th e join t schedulin g material s tha t yo u sen t me .

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be ? Becaus e 1 hav e th e FA Asayin g originall y tha t i t v/ant s Miami , Florida , wit hth e re.sponden t counterin g wit ha reques t fo r St . Thoma s i nth e Virgi nIslands .

MR . L.ANDERS : Yes , You r Honor . Th e administrato r woul d prefe r Miami . That' s wher e hi s witnesse s are . However , w e coul dd o th e Virgi nIsland s a s well . W e weren' t abl e t o reac ha nagreement , s o w e decide dt o leav e i t up t o th e cour t a s t o whic hlocatio nwhe n w e di d th e - -

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . I nth e future , i f you , i f yo u loo k a t th e rules , i f yo u hav e differences , wha t yo u wan t t o d o i n you r join t schedul e i s specificall ynot e wha t th e disput e i s an dthe nals o pu t i na brie f statemen t abou t wha t you r argument s ar e regardin g th e disput e s o tha t I kno wan dI ca n b e prepare d fo r that .

MR . LANDERS : Yes , You r Honor . Sorrv

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 I S 1 9 2 0 2 1 9 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : So , tha t wa yI ca n

kin d o f loo k a t a coupl e o f thing s o r loo k u p som e Tnaterial s befor e w e ge t starte dt o addres s that . So , wit h- - wit hyou r on e witnes s essentially , you'r e sayin g tha t you r on e witnes s woul dtak e on e da yo r jus t a hal f

a da yfo r hi s o r he r testimony ?

MR . LANDERS : Ha l f a day , You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . And , woul d tha t hal f a da yi nyou r opinio nals o includ e
an ykin d o f preliminar ymotion s yo u migh t mak e o r an ykin d o f brie f openin g statemen t i f yo u wante d t o mak e it ?

MR . LANDERS : Yes , You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Wh yi s it , i nyou r opinion , tha t yo u woul d wan t t o hav e Miami , Florid a preferre d ove r St . Thoma s i n th e Virgi nIslands ?

MR . LANDERS : That' s wher e th e investigatin g officia l wh o wil l b e ou r witnes s i s located .

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , wher e ar e th e

- - wher e di dth e actua l investigatio ntak e place ? MR . LANDERS : I don' t recal l of f th e to p o f m yhead . Giv e m e jus t on e second . I don' t kno wi f Ms . Yodic e know s of f th e to p o f he r head .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Well , I ' msur e I'l l b e askin g her , bu t i f yo u don' t know , jus t sa yyo u don' t kno wan d I'l l - -

MR . LANDERS : I don' t know . I'l l loo k throug hth e fil e a s w e continue .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Othe r tha nth e fac t tha t that' s - - tha t Miami , Florid a i s wher e you r witnes s actuall yi s based , d o yo u hav e an yothe r factua l materia l tha t yo u woul d lik e t o brin g t o m yattentio nt o suppor t you r reques t tha t venu e shoul db e i nMiami , Florida ? MR . LANDERS : Well , You r Honor , an d i f i t make s i t easier , th e administrato r i s ope nt o th e Virgi nIsland s a s well ,

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4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Than k you .

So , i nterm s o f Jun e o f 2012 , Mr . Landers , you , yo u wer e sayin g tha t you'r e availabl e a s o f Jun e 1 3 an dthe nth e res t o f t'h e mont hi f I understan d you r statement .

MR . LANDERS : That' s correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Ms . Yodice , let' s tal k abou t venu e first . You'v e hear dwha t Mr . Lander s ha dt o
sa yabou t Miami , Florid a i ncontras t t o S t . Thoma s i nth e Virgi nIslands . Yo u ha d requeste d St . Thoma s i nth e Virgi nIslands . I s tha t wher e th e investigatio nactuall ytoo k place ? MS . YODICE : No , You r Honor . Th e observatio nb yth e FAAinspecto r abou t th e issu e o nth e aircraf t too k place , a s I understan d it , i nSa nJuan , a t th e airpor t i n Sa nJuan , Puert o Rico .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . MS . YODICE : W e requeste dS t . Thoma s becaus e tha t i s th e bas e o f operation s

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e company , an dwewoul d expec t tha t ther e coul d b e tw o o r thre e peopl e fro mth e companytha t ma yb e availabl e t o eithe r testif yo r certainl yb e availabl e t o provid e information , guidanc e o nth e informatio n that' s bein g pu t fort hb yth e FAA , an dtha t kin d o f support .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : I hav e no t bee nt o th e Virgi nIsland s before , ca nyo u advis e m e ho weas yo r ho wdifficul t i t i s t o fl yi nand ou t o f there ?

MS . YODICE : Ther e ar e thre e U.S . Virgi nIslands , St . Thomas , St . Croix , an dSt . John . And , St . Thoma s i s th e mos t commercia l o f th e thre e and i t i s - - m yexperienc e i s i t i s a s eas yt o fl yi nthroug htha t airpor t a s i t woul d b e t o sayPuert o Rico . Th e othe r tw o island s tend t o b e mor e remote , les s service , and the ywoul d b e no t a s conducive , but , o f course , they'r e no t a t issue , bu t I wa s jus t tryin g t o pu t i t a bi t i nperspective .

M yexperienc e gettin g int o St .

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are a and bustlin g an d woul d hav e al l th e provision s tha t w e woul d findi na simila r commercia l area . Mayb e no t a s prevalen t a s woul d b e i nMiami , bu t certainl ya s migh t b e i nanyothe r commercia l contex t yo u migh t imagine . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Sinc e yo u hav e a busines s addres s i nFrederick , Maryland , I presum e tha t you ' r e usin g on e o f th e thre e airport s nearby , Dulles , Reaga nNational , o r Baltimore . D o yo u hav e a preferenc e whe n you'v e flownin-and-ou t o f thos e airport s t o ge t t o St . Thomas ?

MS . YODICE : No . I thin k Baltimor e probabl yoffer s mor e service . America n Airline s run s int o S t . Thoma s prett y regularly . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . And , abou t ho wlon g doe s i t take ?

MS . YODICE : Yo u ca ng o no n- - well , no wI hav e t o recollect . It' s bee na

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yearl yt o mid-afternoo na t th e latest . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Than k you . Le e m e as k yo u thi s i nterm s o f you r cas e a s yo u se e i t constitute d righ t now , ho wman y witnesse s d o yo u thin k yo u migh t b e callin g and ho wmuc htim e d o yo u thin k yo u woul d nee d fo r trial ? MS . YODICE : I - - a t th e - - a t th e worst , i f that ' s th e righ t word , I woul d expec t thre e witnesse s fro mth e compan yan da n expert , bu t - - an d s o tha t coul dconstitut e mayb e a ful l day' s testimony . I nothe r words , eigh t hours , although , I d o full yexpec t tha t tha t expectatio nwil l b e whittle d dow n dependin g o nth e conversation s wit hth e FA A an d th e discover yexchang e tha t w e g o through . So , i t i s fairl yconceivabl e tha t ou r par t o f th e cas e coul d b e don e i na hal f a da ya s

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 3 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wel l . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . And , woul d

tha t includ e an yparticula r motion s i nlimine , ora l arguments , o r openin g statements , thos e kind s o f things , o r i s tha t a littl e bi t o f a n adde d piec e o f time ?

MS . YODICE : M ybelie f tha t woul d b e a littl e bi t mor e o f a nadde dtime , s o mayb e ad d anothe r hou r o r tw o fo r tha t kin do f argument . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . I t sound s t o m e - - jus t t o er r o nth e sid e o f cautio n tha t i t migh t b e helpfu l t o schedul e thi s fo r
a tw o ful l da yhearing .

Ms . Yodice , wha t i s you r respons e t o that ? MS . YODICE : I don' t disagree , You r Honor . I a mhopefu l tha t w e wil l b e abl e t o agre e t o certai naspect s tha t wil l minimiz e th e tim e an d hop e t o hav e i t don e i na singl e day . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . But , fo r - -

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possibl e schedule dbecaus e the nw e ca nalway s leav e earl yo r reduc e th e amoun t o f tim e we'r e actuall yther e a s oppose dt o findin g a t th e en d o f th e firs t da ytha t w e don' t hav e enoug h tim e an d w e don' t al l o f u s hav e th e abilit y t o stay . S o - -

MS . YODICE : I agree . You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Yes . M ygenera l rul e o f thum bi s t o just , t o assum e tha t w e ad d a s muc htim e a s possibl e an d the nhon e i t fro m there . So , le t m e as k yo u abou t you r Jun e calendar .

D o yo u hav e an yblackou t time s durin g th e mont ho f Jun e i nadditio nC o th e time s tha t Mr . Lander s ha s alread ynoted ?

MS . YODICE : I don' t hav e an y absolut e blackouts . However , I woul dprefe r t o avoi d th e wee k o f th e 11th .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . So , ho w abou t th e wee k o f th e 18th ? Father' s Da yi s Sunday , Jun e 17 , 2012 , bu t w e coul dschedul e

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e cas e an ytim e durin g th e wee k o f th e 18th . Woul d tha t b e acceptable , Ms . Yodice ? MS . YODICE : Yes , i t would . You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay .

Mr . Landers , le t m e tur nt o you . D o yo u hav e an ypreferenc e i nterm s o f day s durin g th e wee k o f Jun e 18 , 2012 ?

MR . LANDERS : I woul dprefe r no t t o star t o nMonda yjus t s o w e ca nus e tha t a s a trave l date , bu t othe r tha nthat , I' mopen .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Sinc e I a m wit hyou , Mr . Landers , a t thi s point , ho w abou t i f w e schedul e thi s fo r - - w e coul d eiche r schedul e th e tria l itsel f fo r Tuesda y an d Wednesda ywit htrave l o nMonda yan d Thursda ypotentially , o r w e coul dschedul e thi s fo r Wednesday/Thursda ywit htrave l o n Tuesday/Friday .

D o yo u hav e an ypreference ? MR . LANDERS : I d o not . Eithe r on e

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 preference ? JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Ms . Yodice , d o yo u hav e any

MS . YODICE : No , I don' t thin k so , You r Honor . Mayb e there' s a slight , an d mayb e it' s mor e gu t tha nanythin g els e to , t o prefe r Wednesday/Thursday , bu t I thin k that' s jus t simpl ya thought , s o w e could , w e coul d wor k wit heither .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Monda yan d

- - Monda yand Frida yar e actuall yver yheavy trave l days , s o we'l l --w e hav e (telephoni c interference ) o f th e other . Let ' s - - i f w e nee d t o fly , fo r thos e o f u s wh o do , o n Tuesday , Jun e 19 . We'1 1 hav e th e tria l se t fo r Wednesday , Jun e 20 , an d Thursday , Jun e 21 , an d the nw e wil l hav e potentia l trave l bac k o n Frida yi f yo u choos e no t t o trave l th e nigh t o f Thursday, Jun e 21 , 2012 .

Typicall ywit hm

ytrials , I lik e t o star t the ma t 9:00 , g o til l 4:30 , an d hav e

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### a t leas t a nhou r fo r lunch , s o tha t yo u know .

And , the nwith , wit hth e particula r orde r tha t I' mgoin g t o sendout , I'l l pu t i nal l o f thi s informatio ni nth e litigatio nprocedur e order , bu t I als o wan t t o pu t i nsom e informatio n abou t whe nt o fil e pre-hearin g briefs , a s wel l
a s anywritte nstipulation s i f yo u woul dlik e t o d o that . So , fo r example , I wil l b e issuin g a norde r shortl yafte r Ma y2 4 , 201 2 i f th e partie s fil e dispositiv e motio nan dI hea r argumen t o nMa y24 , 201 2 . Betwee nMa y2 4 , 201 2 and sayJun e 19 , 2012 , we'v e go t a coupl e day s t o tal k abou t filin g stipulation s and/o r pre-hearin g briefs .

Startin g wit hyou , Mr . Landers , d o yo u hav e anyproposa l fo r thos e dates ?

MR . LANDERS : Excus e me . No , You r Honor , I ca nd o i t wheneve r - - wheneve r yo u woul d lik e hav e them .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Ms . Yodice , d o yo u hav e any

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and/o r pre-hearing ' briefs ?

MS . YODICE : No , You r Honor , we'r e fairl yavailable .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Wh ydon' t I sugges t tha t yo u hav e you r stipulation s file d byTuesday , Jun e 5 , 2012 , an dthe npre-hearin g brief s file d b yTuesday , Jun e 12 , 2012 , an d the nth e followin g week , we'l l al l se e eac h othe r i nS t . Thoma s i nth e Virgi nIsland s fo r trial ? And , then , o f course , you'r e welcom e
a t an ytim e t o se'ttle . I kno wtha t yo u kno w that , bu t I alway s encourag e i t i f yo u can .

Startin g wit hyou , Mr . Landers , i s ther e anythin g els e tha t w e nee dt o addres s o n behal f o f you r clien t befor e w e clos e today ?

MR . LANDERS : Ther e i s not , You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay .

Ms . Yodice , o nbehalf ' o f you r client , anythin g tha t w e nee d t o address ?

MS . YODICE : You r Honor , jus t a

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addres s i f ther e ar e anydiscover ydisputes . Ho wwoul d yo u prefe r t o handl e thos e kind s o f things ? No t tha t I anticipat e the mi nthi s case , bu t havin g neve r appeare dbefor e you , I woul d certainl yappreciat e anyinformatio n tha t w e maynee dt o tak e int o consideratio n shoul d on e arise .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : I hav e som e boilerplat e languag e tha t I pu t i nm y litigatio nproceedin g order , procedura l order , bu t I' mhapp yt o answe r question s fo r you .

I thin k tha t th e momen t tha t yo u find tha t yo u hav e a discover yproblem , yo u shoul db e callin g m yoffic e t o se t up a nora l argumen t date . I kee p m ycalenda r availabl e fo r thos e kind s o f problems .

So , you r motio nitsel f shoul d b e filed , I think , a s soo na s possible , bu t n o late r tha n1 5 day s afte r th e proble marises , s o tha t yo u ca nkee p ahea do f thos e deadlin e schedule s a s muc ha s possible .

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ideall ywha t I lik e t o hav e i s t o hav e th e - - th e partie s firs t andforemos t accordin g t o th e civi l rule s nee dt o conferenc e abou t th e discover ydispute , an d the nth e movin g part y need s t o i nhi s o r he r motio nnot e tha t a discover yconferenc e ha s bee nconducte d an d tha t i t di d no t resul t i nresolutio nleadin g t o a motio nt o compel . I thin k yo u al l kno w tha t . Th e phon e cal l t o m yoffic e shoul d b e directe d t o m

ylega l secretary . He r nam e i s Dian e Mays , M-A-Y-S . He r phon e numbe r wil l b e i nth e procedura l orde r tha t yo u wil l receiv e an d sh e ha s ful l acces s t o m y calendar . Wha t th e easies t thin g t o d o is , i nm yopinion , and yo u ca neducat e m e differentl yi f yo u fin d it' s no t so , i s whe n yo u d o you r discover yconferenc e wit hth e opposin g side , tak e a loo k a t you r calendar s together . Findthre e differen t date s fo r a n

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Dian e whe nyo u cal l he r an d as k t o se t somethin g up o nm ycalendar . She'l l hav e acces s t o m ycalendar , an d i f I hav e fre e time , she'l l tel l yo u an d she'1 1 se t it . And , the nyo u ca nbasicall y fil e you r motion , fil e th e answer , an d i f yo u wan t t o fil e a repl ya s th e movin g part yprio r t o tha t ora l argument , yo u can .

I ' v e bee nabl e t o hea r som e motion s t o compe l withi na ver yshor t perio d o f tim e wit htha t typ e o f action . I f it' s a n emergency , fo r example , let' s saytha t you'r e i nth e mids t o f a perpetuatio ndepositio no r a pre-hearin g depositio nan dyo u nee dm e t o rul e o na nevidentiar yissue , yo u ca nalway s cal l m yoffice . And , i f I' mavailable , I ca n ge t o nth e phon e an dmak e a ruling , bu t that' s fairl yrar e actuall ybecaus e mos t objection s ca nb e preserve d i nth e depositio nfo r rulin g later . But , fo r yo u know , jus t

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yo u woul d hav e you r pr e - - you r conferenc e regardin g th e dispute dissue . Withi ntha t conference , yo u tal k abou t calendarin g a nora l arguinent , ge t thre e date s tha t yo u bot hlike , cal l m yoffice , se t tha t ora l argumen t up righ t away , an dthe nbacktrac k i nterm s o f wha t you r calendar s ar e lik e s o tha t yo u hav e you r motio nfiled , th e answe r filed , an dth e repl yprio r t o th e ora l argument .

Doe s tha t hel p a t all ? MR . LANDERS : Yes , You r Honor . Than k yo u ver ymuch . And , I appreciat e you r positio no ntha t . Tha t i s alway s ver y helpful , a t leas t i nm yexperienc e i ncase s whe nw e hav e acces s t o th e Judg e earl yt o resolv e the mearlie r t o sta yo ntrack .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Yes . It' s ver y helpfu l an d sometime s I ca nrul e s o tha t everybod yi s happy , an d othe r times , not , bu t I d o th e ver ybes t I can . And , yo u shoul d alway s fee l tha t yo u hav e acces s t o th e court .

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mor e abou t that . Th e onl ytim e I nee dt o se e discover ymateria l i s i f you'r e movin g t o compe l fo r som e reason .

And , i t woul db e ver yhelpfu l i f whe nyo u mak e thos e motion s tha t yo u stat e specificall ywha t relie f yo u wer e requesting . I'v e ha d peopl e fil e motion s t o compe l an d the njus t tel l m e tha t i t wil l b e u p t o me .

I prefe r t o hav e som e directio na s t o wha t yo u actuall ywan t a s oppose dt o a generi c statemen t tha t yo u woul d lik e t o hav e justic e done .

MS . YODICE : Well , You r Honor , i f I may ? Wha t yo u jus t sai dtriggere dsomethin g fo r me . I nexchangin g discover ybetwee nus , ar e yo u sayin g tha t w e shoul dno t serv e yo u o r th e docke t wit hth e discover yresponses ?

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Yo u don' t nee dto . MS . YODICE : So , w e woul d- - thos e document s woul djus t b e betwee nu s an dno t i n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e docket ? JUDG E SULLIVAN : Unles s yo u fee l

fo r som e reaso ntha t yo u nee dt o mak e a recor d o f discover yexchange , I don' t thin k it' s eve r necessar yt o pu t i t i nth e court' s docket .

MS . YODICE : Okay , good . I' mgla d t o mak e tha t clarification . Than k you .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Fo r example , i f yo u serve d th e FA Awit hinterrogatories , yo u don ' t nee d t o fil e th e reques t fo r interrogatorie s wit hthi s administrativ e court , ]us t a s Mr . Lander s doe s no t nee dt o serv e a cop yo f hi s answer s t o interrogator y wit hthi s court .

Thos e ar e - - discover yi s alway s considered , i nm yopinion , a muc hbroade r lega l too l tha nth e actua l tria l itself . S o -

- s o ther e ma yb e thing s i nthos e discover y document s tha t neithe r part ywoul d lik e t o hav e th e cour t t o kno wabout . So , i t i s no t
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yo u ver ymuch . You r Honor .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An yothe r questions , Ms . Yodice ?

MS . YODICE : None . JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , Mr . Landers ? MR . LANDERS : No , You r Honor . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Than k yo u bot hver ymuc hfo r you r presenc e today . I t appear s ou r busines s i s complete . I wil l b e sendin g ou t thi s procedura l orde r hopefull y thi s afternoon , an d i f no t thi s afternoon , you'l l ge t i t tomorro wa t th e latest . Than k yo u ver ymuch . W e ca ng o of f th e record . And , I wis hyo u al l a goo d day .

MS . YODICE : Than k yo u ver ymuch . You r Honor . MR . LANDERS : Than k you .

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