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Docket Number: 

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MEETING SUMMARY 

STAPPA/ALAPCO MEETING 

NEW SOURCE REVIEW REFORM 

January 6, 1999 

The meeting was held via a telephone conference. The meeting began at approximately 

10:30 am and closed at approximately 11:30 am. Attached is a list of attendees. 

Dennis Crumpler opened the meeting by providing a brief history to STAPPA/ALAPCO 

in order to bring them up to date. He said that EPA has met with the WEPCO litigants three 

times as part of the settlement agreement and briefly explained the discussions held to date. 

Mr. Crumpler also explained that among the items currently being considered were the 

suggestions made by Bruce Buckheit to end grandfathering at a fixed point in time (at which 

time all sources will install good controls), and by Lydia Wegman to end netting to make NSR 

simple. The litigants had shown interest in the ideas, but the main question was "how to do it?" 

Mr. Crumpler indicated that there was another face-to-face meeting planned for February 2 and 

3,1999 in Washington, DC to hold further discussions and that, for this meeting, the group had 

been broadened from just the WEPCO litigants to other industries. Mr. Crumpler further said 

that EPA was currently seeking input from the industry regarding how the NSR rule could be 

simplified, and hoped that the industry will come to a consensus and provide discrete suggestions 

at the meeting. 

The following items were discussed in today's meeting: 

• STAPPA/ALAPCO asked if there were any legal obstacles. EPA does not see any legal 

obstacles, only challenges, e.g., presumptive BACT. 

• NSR applicability to modifications between now and the date grandfathering ends. 

• Definition of "grandfathering." 

• Compliance with new standards after end of grandfathering? EPA's position is that end 

of grandfathering does not preclude the need to comply with other CAA requirements, 

e.g., NOx SIP call. 

• Definition of "source." Is it an individual piece of equipment or the whole facility? 

• STAPPA/ALAPCO asked whether EPA will come in with a position at the 

February 2/3,1999 meeting? Will the discussions be issue-by-issue? Mr. Crumpler 

explained that EPA intends to outline the basic concepts in a 1- or 2-page memo, i.e., the 

fundamental concepts that EPA would like to see happen. EPA will also identify some 

critical issues where they need help. EPA hopes to distribute the memo in about one 

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• Need for and availability of resources, e.g., for maintaining list of presumptive BACT. 

• Schedule for promulgation of the NSR Reform. 

Mr. Crumpler asked STAPPA/ALAPCO to meet with the industry prior to the 

February 2/3,1999 meeting and to help develop a consensus. Mr. Crumpler pointed out the 

Chuck Knauss or Swidler & Berlin is coordinating the WEPCO litigants group. Mr. Crumpler 

also mentioned that other people that STAPPA/ALAPCO may wish to talk to include Pat Ware 

(sp?) of Clean Air Act Advisory Committee, Chris Shaver of National Park Service, and Rich 

Fisher or Donna Lamb of U.S. Forest Service. 

Mr. Crumpler then indicated that the February 2/3,1999 meeting will be held at 

JW Marriott, Ronald Reagan Building (1331 Pennsylvania Avenue, 202-393-2000) starting at 

approximately 10:00-10:30 am on February 2nd, and the rooms for overnight stay will be at 

Hotel Washington (202-638-5900). 

The meeting was then adjourned. 

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ATTENDEES 

STAPPA/ALAPCO MEETING 

NEW SOURCE REVIEW REFORM 

January 6,1999 

Name 

Michael Forlini 

Bob Hodanbosi 

Bill Becker 

Dave Walenberg 

John Paul 

Bob Blazack 

Carol Holmes 

Greg Foote 

Jon Devine 

Anna Wood 

Tom Curran 

Karen Blanchard 

Dennis Crumpler 

Mike Sewell 

Dan DeRoeck 

Malay Jindal 

Valerie Everette 

Affiliation 

7 

STAPPA 

ALAPCO 

7 

ALAPCO 

7 

EPA/OECA 

EPA/OGC 

EPA/OGC 

EPA/OAR/OPAR 

EPA/OAQPS 

EPA/OAQPS 

EPA/OAQPS 

EPA/OAQPS 

EPA/OAQPS 

PES (EPA Contractor) 

PES (EPA Contractor) 

Telephone No. 

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7 

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7 

7 

(202) 564-8709 

(202) 260-7620 

(202) 260-6984 

(202) 260-8772 

(919) 541-5559 

(919)541-5503 

(919)541-0871 

(919)541-0873 

(919)541-5593 

(919) 941-0333 

(919)941-0333 

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