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Project Name: 304m 2012 Annual Review 

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No TELEPHONE CALL RECOR D Incoming Outgoing Date: 03/21 /1 2 Time: 4:20 am

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Company Name: Alabama DEM ERG Staff Name: Kimberly Landick

Contact Name: Lee Warren Contact Phone Number: ( 334) 271

- 7 927

General Subject: Brick Manufacturing Process



### TOPICS DISCUSSED AND ACTION TAKEN

On March 21, 2012 I contacted Michael McCary and asked to speak with someone who is familiar with the brick manufacturing process, specifically permitting with Henry Brick Co. He stated that Doti (Dorothy) Moseley would be the best person to talk to (334

- 271

- 7725).

I called Ms. Moseley and explain ed that I would like to know whether the brick manufacturing process is a dry process or not and how the facility is being permitted. She told me she would look into it and get back to me shortly.

On April 3, 2012 I called Ms. Moseley back. She stated tha t their general permit is just a standard template (ALG

- 23) and that if a facility has any other discharges besides what is covered in the template; they will get an individual permit. She suggested putting less information into the ADEM website search to look for other permits. She then transferred me to her supervisor, Lee Warren.

Ms. Warren told me that their general permit for Stone, Glass & Clay covers stormwater and non

- contact cooling water. If a facility had process wastewater discharges, they nee d to get an individual permit. She stated that sometimes facilities will have a general permit for stormwater and then a SID (State Indirect Discharge) permit for processed water. An SID permit allows a facility to discharge processed water to a POTW. She scanned their database for brick manufacturing facilities and did not find any with an SID or individual permit. Therefore, she believes that the process is a dry manufacturing process. She came across Jenkins Brick Company which is a large brick company ( http://www.jenkinsbrick.com/ ) and they had an individual permit for mining but not for industrial wastewater. Ms. Warren told me that she would look into the database further and call me back if they find anything ; otherwise she assumes that it is a dry process.

Ms. Warren called me back on April 4, 2012. She told me that she looked through their database for any individual permits for brick manufacturing facilities. She was not able to find any individual permit s for wastewater for brick manufacturing. She did find numerous individual permits covering the mining aspects of brick companies (quarry operations) but these are separate from the manufacturing plant and would not be affected by the air regulation. She o nly found general permits for stormwater discharges. Their general permit for Stone, Glass & Clay regulates pH, TSS and rainfall (it also includes a footnote stating that there shall be no discharges of stormwater with debris or a sheen). Ms. Warren also c hecked with ADEM’s pretreatment coordinator and there are no brick manufacturers with SID permits (discharging process water to a POTW). For these reasons, Ms. Warren stated that she believes that the process is a dry process with solids being the only

pos sible issue in wastewater. She is also interested to know if we find any unregulated discharges.

Ms. Warren is part of the Industrial General Permits Section at ADEM; her number is 334

- 271

- 7845.