From: jerry.schoen@aksteel.com [mailto:jerry.schoen@aksteel.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:36 AM 

To: Wes Patterson 

Cc: Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Alex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert Berman; 

Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Smith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; 

Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, Dave; 

David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; Greg 

Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freeman, Jeremiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Hodge; Creevy, Jim; 

Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Caskey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; 

Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Meg Waltner; 

Pamela Costello; Ryan, Paul; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Polinski, Raymond; Rob Greeson; 

Richard Parker; Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Steve Nadel; Steve 

Rosenstock; Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo 

Subject: Re: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers 

Wes, 

On the slides, the title "Open Wound Core Grade Distribution" -- are these wound-&-annealed or mitered 

core designs? 

Thanks, Jerry 

Jerry W. Schoen Principal Engineer Product Development & Applications Engineering AK Steel Research Middletown, OH USA 45043-0001 

From: Wes Patterson <wes.patterson@us.abb.com> To: Richard Parker <richardparkerdc@gmail.com> Cc: "Meyers, Aaron" <Aaron.Meyers@cooperindustries.com>, Andrew Delaski <adelaski@standardsASAP.org>, Alex Hofmann 

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Date: 12/14/2011 09:16 AM Subject: Re: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers 

Hi Richard 

For the discussion on MVDT I would like to add the following steel distribution analysis required to 

produce open wound transformers at the varying dEL levels. 

This data was determined by reviewing actual shipment records over a 12 month period June 2010 to 

June 2011. The products are largely in the DL12 space (3ph, 95BIL, 1500-200KVA). 

I agree that a focus on DL12 will focus the conversation. 

But I would like to emphasize that, assuming we can arrive at a significant improvement in the efficiency 

of DL12, we will not be able to match the same improvement for 

 MVDT single-phase products 

 MVDT small three-phase products (<= 300KVA) 

 MVDT products with BIL's > 95KV

Perhaps we can agree to work out these details with the DOE following the teleconference? 

Best regards

Wes 

Richard Parker 

<richardparkerdc@gmail.com>

12/14/2011 08:08 AM 

To Alex Hofmann <ahofmann@publicpower.org>, Andrew Delaski <adelaski@standardsASAP.org>, 

Aris Marantan <amarantan@navigant.com>, Art Rosenfeld <artrosenfeld@gmail.com>, Bob 

Saint <robert.saint@nreca.coop>, Bob Smith <bsmith@federalpacific.com>, Brenda Edwards 

<Brenda.Edwards@ee.doe.gov>, Brian Coffey <brian.coffey@navigant.com>, Caitlin Johnson 

<Caitlin.Johnson@navigant.com>, Carlos Gaytan <carlos.gaytan@ge.com>, "Caskey, John" 

<john.caskey@nema.org>, Charlie Drexler <charlied@uus.org>, Charlie Stevens 

<cstephens@neea.org>, Chris Bolduc <cabolduc@lbl.gov>, Chris Brown 

<chris.brown@cogentpowerinc.com>, Clark Silcox <clark.silcox@nema.org>, "Creevy, Jim" 

<Jim.Creevy@nema.org>, Dan Cohen <daniel.cohen@hq.doe.gov>, Daniel Young 

<DYoung@energy-solution.com>, David Flaten <david.l.flaten@xcelenergy.com>, Emily 

Marchetti <Emily.Marchetti@ee.doe.gov>, Eric Peterson <Eric.Petersen@aksteel.com>, 

"Freeman, Jeremiah" <Jeremiah.Freeman@ee.doe.gov>, Gary Fernstrom <gbf1@pge.com>, 

Greg Coulter <greg.coulter405@gmail.com>, Greg Rosenquist <GJRosenquist@lbl.gov>, 

"Hirsch, Bruce R" <bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com>, James Lass <James.Lass@cleco.com>, Jennifer 

Tiedeman <Jennifer.Tiedeman@hq.doe.gov>, Jerry Corkran 

<jerry.corkran@cooperindustries.com>, Jerry Hodge <jhodge@howard.com>, Jerry Schoen 

<jerry.schoen@aksteel.com>, Jim Raba <Jim.Raba@ee.doe.gov>, Joanna Mauer 

<jmauer@standardsasap.org>, John Cymbalsky <john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov>, John Rossetti 

<jrossetti@mlgw.org>, Katie Coughlin <kcoughlin@lbl.gov>, Ken Winder 

<kwinder@mleainc.com>, "Mahesh P. Sampat" <maheshsampat@bellsouth.net>, Matthew 

Nardotti <matthew.nardotti@navigant.com>, Maxine Savitz <maxinesavitz@aol.com>, Meg 

Waltner <mwaltner@nrdc.org>, "Meyers, Aaron" <Aaron.Meyers@cooperindustries.com>, 

Michael Hyland <mhyland@appanet.org>, Michael Rivest <mrivest@navigant.com>, "Millure, 

Dave" <dave.millure@metglas.com>, Pam Costello <pamela.costello@navigant.com>, Phil 

Harter <phil@pjharter.com>, Phil Hopkinson <phopkinson@hvolt.com>, "Polinski, Raymond" 

<Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com>, Puesh Kumar <pkumar@publicpower.org>, "Richard W. 

Parker" <richardparkerdc@gmail.com>, Rick Anderson <rick.anderson@faypwc.com>, Rob 

Greeson <rgreeson@federalpacific.com>, Robert Berman <bermaneconomics@gmail.com>, 
Robert van Buskirk <Robert.VanBuskirk@ee.doe.gov>, Robin Roy <rroy@nrdc.org>, "Ryan, 

Paul" <Paul.Ryan@hitmet.com>, Scott Beck <ScottB@lvmetals.com>, "Simmons, Chuck" 

<chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com>, Steve Nadel <snadel@aceee.org>, Steve Rosenstock 

<srosenstock@eei.org>, Ted Johnstone <ted.johnstone@cogentpowerinc.com>, Thomas 

Petrosino <tpetrosino@carolina.rr.com>, Tim Ballo <tballo@earthjustice.org>, Tom Eckman 

<Teckman@nwcouncil.org>, Wes Patterson/SouthBoston/USTRA/ABB@ABB, Zhimei Luo 

<zhimei.luo@navigant.com>

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Subject Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers

Dear Colleagues, 

As you know, today's conference call is the last scheduled event of our negotiated rulemaking 

process on medium-voltage transformers. It is scheduled to run from 11 am to 1 pm, though we 

will end sooner if we finish our business sooner. 

I propose that we use the time to do two things: 

1) See if we can get to yes on an EL to recommend for DL 12, thereby creating a clear 

foundation an agreement on MVDT. 

I propose to focus on DL 12 because DLs 9, 10, and 11 are very small in sales (about 5 % of the 

market combined). E.g., 135 DL 11 units shipped in in 2009, whereas 1936 DL 12 units were 

sold. 

Also, these other DLs should scale off of DL 12, except for the low kVA portion (< 300 KvA) of 

DL 11 which is even smaller. DL 13 is a high-BIL version of DL 12 (and the upper end of 

DL11) and also can be treated as variant of DL12. Adjustment factors for DLs 9, 10, 11 and 13 

have been proposed by NEMA, but I would suggest that these can be treated separately as part of 

a technical exercise, that we can discuss if we can get to yes on the big issue, which is DL 12 

2) Discuss next steps, if any, for this group on liquid-filled transformers. 

Attached for your review is a chart containing the key LCC information for DL 12, with 2010 

price results and 2011 price results displayed side-by-side for ease of reference. Also attached 

are the full LBL and Engineering Analysis results for both 2010 prices and 2011 prices. 2011 

prices are what were are focusing on, but 2010 prices offers a useful reference (sensitivity if you 

will). 

I look forward to talking with you at 11. This will be a time for bottom lines. We know the 

arguments. 

Best, 

Richard Parker 
Facilitator 

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