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# n APPEARANCES : FO RTH E COMPLAINANT : CRAI GBLACK , ESQ . Senio r Attorne y Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counsel , AAL- 7 Alaska nRegio n Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n 22 2 Wes t 7t hAvenue , #14 Anchorage , Alask a 99513-758 7 (907 ) 271-527 1

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G- S (1:0 0 p.m. ) JUDG E GOODWIN : I' mready . MR . COLE : We'r e o nrecor dhere , You r Hono r JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Thi s i s a continuatio no f th e cas e Smit hCable . I don' t hav e th e DM S number . I f you'l l b e sur e th e cour t reporte r get s a captio ns o the yca n properl ycaptio nit . It' s approximatel y1:2 5 i nAlaska . Woul dcounse l identif yyoursel f fo r th e record , please .

MR . BLACK : Yeah . Thi s i s Crai g Blac k wit hth e FAA .

MR . COLE : An dthi s i s Bren t Col e fo r Smit hCable .

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goin g t o b e three , bu t yes , al l thre e o f the m ar e ou r witnesses .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . So , Mr . Black , a s I recall , w e ha dt o rul e o nth e witnesse s whe n- - i nhearing ? I t wa s - - di d

- - w e ha dth e witnesse s sequestered ; di dw e not ? MR . COLE : Yes . W e aske dtha t th e Cour t enforc e th e absenc e o f witnesses . W e hav e Mr . Smit hhere . I a m- - he' s alread y testified . I' massumin g

JUDG E GOODWIN : Yeah . H e i s a part yt o th e cas e an dth e FAA' s entitle dt o a representativ e an dth e respondent' s entitle d t o a representative . Mr . Smit hca nstay , bu t I'l l jus t ask , Mr . Cole , i f you'l l ensur e tha t th e othe r witnesse s no t b e i nth e roo m whil e we'r e takin g testimon yan dyou'r e goin g t o pu t you r firs t witnes s o nan dI'l l giv e hi mth e oath .

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time , w e woul dcal l Anni e Afusia .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Ma'am , i f yo u wil l jus t - - I' mgoin g t o as k yo u t o pronounc e you r nam e an dthe nspel l you r firs t
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(Oat hadministered ) MS . AFUSIA : I do . JUDG E GOODWIN : Wer e yo u abl e t o hea r me ? MS . AFUSIA : Yes , I will .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . (Oat hadministered ) MS . AFUSIA : Yes , I do . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . ANNI E AFUSI A calle da s a witnes s o nbehal f o f th e respondent , testifie da s follow s on :

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w e hav e testimon ya s t o that .

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Q An dho wlon g approximatel ydi dyo u wor k fo r Smit hCable ? AAbou t tw o an da hal f years . Q Whil e yo u wer e employe db ySmit h Cable , wha t wer e you r responsibilitie s o f employment ? AI wa s i ncharg e o f al l o f th e logistic s fo r th e crew s workin g aroun dth e stat e an dals o othe r variou s administrativ e dutie s Wha t doe s Smit hCabl e d o - - wha t typ e o f job s d o the yd o i nAlaska ? AW e d o telephon e an dtelevisio n cabl e construction . Q Whe nyo u sa ytha t yo u d o th e logistics , ca nyo u giv e u s a sens e o f th e type s o f thing s tha t yo u di ddurin g th e cours e o f you r employment ? AI wa s responsibl e fo r makin g al l
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fo r securin g lodgin g fo r al l o f th e crews , wa s responsibl e fo r gettin g al l o f th e truck s an d equipmen t t o an dfro meac hlocation . Q A s par t o f you r responsibilities , wer e ther e certai nfedera l regulation s tha t yo u ha dt o abid e b yo r b e carefu l o f i norde r t o fulfil l you r responsibilitie s o f employment ? AW e di dhav e t o b e sur e tha t al l o f th e hazardou s material s tha t ma yo r ma yno t shippe dwer e shippe dproperl yt o kee p i n complianc e wit hal l o f th e regulations . Q An dwer e yo u familia r wit hth e fac t tha t i f yo u di dinten dt o shi p hazardou s material s o nairplanes , fo r instance , tha t yo u ha dt o declar e thos e i ncertai n- - unde r certai n--a s require dunde r th e law ? A Yes , I wa s Q No wI' dlik e t o tak e yo u bac k t o th e summe r o f 2008 . Di dSmit hCabl e hav e som e job s i nSoutheas t Alask a tha t summer ?

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tha t summer , yes . Q An dar e yo u familia r wit ha gentlema nb yth e nam e o f Tod dLinne ? AYes . Q An dho wd o yo u kno wMr . Linne ? AH e wa s a contracto r an dh e als o worke dfo r ou r company . Q An dar e yo u familia r wit ha gentlema nb yth e nam e o f To mFialek ? AYes . Q An dwoul dh e hav e worke dfo r Smit h Cabl e tha t summe r also ? AH e did , yes . Q An dwer e thes e tw o o f th e individual s tha t wer e workin g i nSoutheas t Alaska ? AYes , the ywere . Q Wer e yo u helpin g the mwit hth e logistic s tha t summer ? AYes , I was . 

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hel p them ? AI - - the ywer e i nsevera l locations , s o a s I state dbefore , I mad e sur e tha t ever ytim e a jo bwa s finishin g o r endin g tha t the ywer e gettin g bot hthei r equipment , th e truck , an dthemselve s fro mon e locatio nt o th e nex t an dthe nI ende du p gettin g the mfro m thei r en dlocatio nbac k t o Fairbanks . Q S o thi s even t - - well , le t m e rephras e that . A t som e point , di dSmit h Cable' s wor k com e t o a nen di nSoutheas t Alask a tha t summer ? AYes , i t did . Q An dwoul dtha t hav e bee nrigh t
aroun dth e firs t wee k o f Septembe r 2008 ? AYes . Tha t wa s whe ni t was . Q An dd o yo u recal l wher e Mr . Linn e an dMr . Fase k - - Fiale k wer e righ t befor e the y wer e t o mov e t o thei r nex t job ? AI believ e the ywer e i nKetchikan . Q An dwher e wa s i t tha t the yneede d

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AThe ywoul db e goin g bac k t o Fairbank s whic hi s wher e the ystarte dout . Q Wha t arrangement s woul dyo u hav e bee nresponsibl e the nt o - - oh , le t m e rephras e that . Wha t arrangement s woul d yo u hav e mad e t o ge t thei r material s bac k t o Anchorag e an dthe mt o Fairbanks ? AI neede dt o obviousl ymak e plan e reservation s fo r the mt o ge t bac k t o Fairbanks . I neede dt o ge t a boo m truc k fro m Ketchika nbac k int o th e Anchorag e are a somewher e wher e w e coul dthe npic k i t u p an d ge t i t drive nbac k t o Fairbank s an dI neede d t o arrang e fo r al l o f thei r equipmen t an d luggag e t o ge t shippe dbac k t o Fairbanks . Q Ho wdi dyo u - - wha t arrangement s di dyo u make ? AI arrange dwit hAlask a Airline s t o hav e a fe wpallet s - - I believ e i t wa s tw o o r thre e pallet s o f equipmen t an dluggag e shippe d bac k vi a airplan e fro mKetchikan . Th e boo m



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goin g o nth e ferr yan dthe nth e - - th e employee s wer e o na nAlask a Airline s flight . Q Di dyo u arrang e fo r a compan yt o pic k u p th e material s t o b e shippe dvi a Alask a Airline s ai r cargo ? AI did . I - - I arrange dfo r - - I calle da fe wplace s an dther e wa s onl yon e plac e i nKetchika ntha t wa s abl e t o d o tha t
an di t wa s Aer l Transportatio nI believ e i s wha t it' s called . Q An ds o di dyo u mak e - - tel l u s wha t arrangement s yo u mad e wit hthem . AI le t the mkno who wman ypallet s
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material s o nai r cargo ? AI did . W e talke dabou t i t briefl y becaus e w e ha da ga s dril l tha t w e neede dt o retur nt o Fairbank s an dI inquire dabou t that . Becaus e o f th e paperwor k involve dan dth e sensitivit yo f tha t paperwor k bein g exactl y correct , I didn' t wan t t o tak e th e chanc e o f sendin g anythin g tha t wa s hazardou s material s o nth e plane . S o I chos e t o shi p i t i na differen t manner . Q Now , di dyo u the nprepar e a nemai l
o r kin do f writte ninstruction s t o Mr . Linn e outlinin g ho wth e variou s piece s o f equipmen t woul dge t t o thei r destinations ? AYes , I did . Q An dI' mshowin g yo u what' s bee n marke dfo r identificatio na s Defendant' s Exhibi t A . D o yo u recogniz e tha t document ? AYes , I do . Q An dwh yd o yo u recogniz e that ? A Becaus e I wrot e it .

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admissio no f Defendant' s Exhibi t A .

MR . BLACK : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Defendant' s Afo r identificatio ni s receive di nevidenc e a s Defendant' s A .

(Defendant' s Exhibi t Aadmitted ) Q Thi s exhibi t explain s t o Mr . Linn e wha t step s h e shoul dtak e t o facilitat e th e shipmen t o f th e equipmen t t o it s variou s locations , right ? A Correc t Q An di s i t - - di dyo u hav e an y othe r phon e call s o r conversation s wit hMr . Linn e abou t this ? AI probabl yfollowe du p wit hhim . I usuall ywoul dsen da nemai l an dthe nfollo w
u p wit hhi mjus t befor e th e shipmen t t o mak e sur e tha t everythin g wa s goin g a s schedule d o n thei r end , s o i f I neede dt o d o anythin g else , I coul dd o tha t an dmak e sur e everythin g wa s set . 

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a propan e stov e o r a barbecu e - - propan e barbecu e bein g shippe da s a par t o f thi s cargo ' A N o Q Wer e yo u awar e o f - - well , I'l l withdra wthat . Di dyo u receiv e an y- - I withdra wthat . I' mgoin g t o star t again . Wha t happene dafte r yo u sen t ou t thi s lette r --o r email ? AAfte r I sen t ou t th e email , th e - - I mad e sur e tha t everythin g wa s goin g okay . I remembe r tha t the yha dth e pallet s waitin g fo r th e compan yt o com e an dpic k u p th e nex t da yan deverythin g wa s o nschedule . Th e guy s go t o nth e plane . Th e truc k go t o nth e - - th e ferr yan dth e shipmen t wa s shippe dan dlate r receive di nFairbanks . Q No wI' mshowin g yo u wha t i s - - I gues s it' s Pag e 2 o f Exhibi t B . D o yo u recogniz e --o r Exhibi t A . D o yo u recogniz e that ?



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t o shi p al l o f th e pallet s bac k t o Fairbanks . Q Now , di dyo u prepar e this ? AWha t w e di dwa s w e - - yo u cal l i t i nan dmak e th e arrangement s tha t way . Q Okay . Bu t di dyo u eve r actuall y se e tha t particula r ai r waybill ? Di dyo u ge t
a cop yo f it ? AYes , w e did . Fro m Alask a Airlines . Q A Q A Now , di dyo u sig nthis ? No , I di dnot . D o yo u recogniz e tha t signature ? NO , I d o not . MR . COLE : I woul dmov e fo r th e admissio no f Exhibi t B

MR . BLACK : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Thi s i s D a s i n delta ? MR . COLE : B a s i nboy . Sorry .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . I' msorry . Exhibi t B fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o

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o f a proble moccurrin g wit hthi s particula r shipment ? AWhe nw e receive da notic e fro mth e FAAtha t w e ha dha da violation . Q Di dyo u kno wwha t the ywer e talkin g abou t a t all ? AI ha dn o ide a wha t the ywer e talkin g about . Q An dwoul dtha t hav e bee nthroug ha lette r o r d o yo u hav e anyrecollectio no f whe n yo u woul dhav e receive dtha t notification ?

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i t wa s som e tim e later , quit e a bi t afte r w e receive dth e shipmen t an di t wa s a letter . Q An dthe nfinall yi s - - wa s i t Smit hCable' s polic yt o b e ver ycarefu l abou t makin g sur e tha t hazardou s waste s wer e no t shippe di nai r cargo ? AAbsolutely . MR . COLE : That' s al l th e question s I have . You r Honor .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Cross . MR . BLACK : Yes . ANNI E AFUSI A testifie da s follow s on :

CROS S EXAMINATIO N B YMR . BLACK ; Q Ms . Afusia , mynam e i s Crai g Black . I' m

th e attorne yfo r th e FAAi nthi s matter . Ca nyo u hea r m e al l right ? A Yes , I ca n Q Great . I f somethin g happen s t o th e phon e connectio nan dyo u hav e troubl e

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assum e it' s jus t regula r constructio ntools . Q Wha t di dyo u mea nb yluggage ? AThei r persona l luggag e wa s bein g shippe dtha t wa yalso . The yha dquit e a bi t
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- - I mea nthei r tool s an dthei r - - th e othe r item s suc ha s cabl e an dstuf f lik e that . W e di dhav e spool s o f cabl e an dthing s lik e tha t tha t w e migh t nee dt o sen dback . Q An dwoul dtha t - - woul dluggag e includ e thei r persona l effects ? AThei r persona l clothing , yes . Q Jus t clothing ? AOh , I couldn' t sa yfo r sure . Q Well , wha t abou t sa ytoiletries , somethin g lik e that ? APossibly . Q Al l right . Well , i f I wa s a cre w membe r fo r Smit hCabl e an dyo u wer e handlin g



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wit hyou ? AYes . Yes . I'v e ha d- - I ha da coupl e guy s workin g wit hme , yes . Q A t th e en do f th e job , wh o wa s wit hyo u a t th e end ? AA t th e ver yen dwa s jus t m e an d To mFialek . Q Okay . Now , wher e di dyo u sta y durin g thos e times ? AW e staye di napartment , a cottage , an dmotel s - - o r a lodg e I shoul dsay . Apartment , lodges , an dmotels . Q Okay . An dther e wa s on e questio n I forgo t t o as k you . Woul dyo u hav e use d spra ypain t i nan yo f you r job s tha t yo u wer e workin g tha t summer ?

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som e poin t yo u purchase do r someon e purchase d
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o r whe nw e shippe dit , th e truc k woul dg o b y barg e fro mthes e littl e villages . I t woul d fi t righ t underneat hth e ladde r o nth e utilit y bi nu p agains t th e ca bo nth e passenge r side . I t sa t righ t u p i nther e an dwe' dti e i t u p t o th e ladder . Q No wa t som e point , di dyo u hav e t o mak e - - di dyo u star t makin g arrangement s t o trave l t o Fairbank s a t th e conclusio no f thi s job ? ADi dI mak e arrangements ? Q No . Di dyo u hav e t o star t makin g

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an deverythin g wa s goin g t o b e barged . Q Tel l u s abou t th e equipmen t tha t
wa s goin g t o b e flown . Wha t wa s tha t cargo ? Ca nyo u recal l wha t tha t wa s comprise d ATha t wa s - - tha t wa s goin g t o b e flown ? Q Yes . AW e - - w e pu t o na palle t - - tw o pallet s actuall yal l th e ropes , al l th e rollers , tw o lashers , ou r lay-u p stick .

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one , bu t th e plasti c go t cu t of f an dthe nhi m an dTo mtoo k everythin g of f th e pallet s on e piec e a t a tim e an dthre wi t i nbac k o f hi s carg o truck . Q No war e Aa cub e van , bo xtruck , typ e dea l an dth e bumpe r wa s four-foo t hig han d ther e wa s n o wa yt o ge t th e palle t u p i n there . Q Now , let' s g o bac k t o th e - - whe n yo u wer e takin g th e stuf f an dputtin g i t o n th e palle t th e firs t time . Okay ? AUh-huh . (Affirmative ) Q D o yo u recal l puttin g th e stov e o n tha t palle t ful l o f goods ? ANo . No . Absolutel ynot . I don' t

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u p thes e pallet s rathe r tha n AYeah . Yeah . M e an dTo mtrie dt o ge t hi m

- - becaus e w e worke dfo r tw o hour s i n th e rai nputtin g everythin g o nther e an d the n h e showe du p an dther e wa s n o wa yt o ge t it . W e said , man , can' t yo u g o ge t a for k truck . The ywer e jus t lik e righ t acros s th e stree t
an ddow nmayb e quarte r o f a mil e o r so . I s ther e anywa yyo u coul dge t a truc k wit ha lif t gat e o r a palle t jac k o r anythin g an dh e sai dno . S o w e commence dt o loadin g i t u p b y hand . Q S o yo u an dTo mwoul dhav e bee nth e one s tha t loade deverythin g of f tha t palle t int o th e bac k o f hi s truck . AWit hhim . H e helpe du s also . Q Okay . Now , wa s ther e an yothe r thing s i nth e bac k o f tha t truck ? AYo u know , I don' t recall . I don' t

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A M e an dTom ? Yeah . W e wen t t o Fairbank s Q Okay . An dwer e yo u involve di n pickin g u p thi s shipmen t i nFairbanks ? AActuall y- - actuall ym e an dTo m di dwit hMr . Smith' s picku p truck . Q An dca nyo u tel l u s wha t happene d whe nyo u wen t u p t o ge t th e stuff ? AYeah . W e backe dint o th e - - th e bi g bay . The yopene dth e bi g ba yan dth e gentlema nwen t an dgo t on e palle t an dpu t i t



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anothe r palle t an dpu t tha t i nbac k o f th e truc k an dpushe dth e firs t palle t forwar d whic hwen t throug hth e bac k windo wo f th e truck . H e buste dou r bac k windo wan dthe n- - I remembe r tha t much . There' s glas s al l over . Yeah . Actuall yan dthe nh e jus t starte d drivin g of f an dI ha dt o wal k afte r hi mjus t
a littl e bi t an dbrin g i t t o hi s attention , yo u know , wha t ar e w e goin g t o d o abou t th e buste dwindo wan dh e advise dm e t o g o int o th e offic e an dse e wha t coul db e don e abou t it . Q An ddi danybod ysa yanythin g t o yo u a t tha t tim e abou t th e shipment ? ANo . Nope . No t a wor dwa s said . W e wer e ther e fo r a t leas t hal f hour , 4 5 minute s probably . Q S o there' s n o commen t sayin g tha t yo u guy s ha da proble mwit hth e shipmen t o r somethin g lik e that . ANope . Nothin g a t all . Q An ddi dyo u unpac k th e loa dthere ?

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t o t o ge t i t - - ge t i t of f th e truck . Q An d d o yo u remembe r ther e bein g an ykin do f a stov e i n tha t shipment ? ANo . Nope . Q Now , a t on e tim e yo u di d a n affidavi t i n suppor t o f - - i n thi s case , right ? A Ye s Q An d hav e yo u ha d a chanc e t o revie wtha t affidavit ? A Yeah . I wen t ove r i t Q Okay . AAwhil e back , yeah . Q I s tha t stil l a fai r an d accurat e statemen t o f th e event s tha t occurred ? AAbsolutely . Yes , sir . MR . COLE : W e woul dmov e fo r th e admissio no f Exhibi t C .

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Cros s MR . BLACK : Okay . MR . COLE : Well , le t m e no , no , G o ahead . That' s fine . TOD D LINN E testifie da s follow s on :

CROS S EXAMINATIO N B YMR . BLACK :

Mr . Linn e JUDG E GOODWIN : Hol do n- - yeah , g o ahead . Q Mr . Linne , ar e yo u stil l there ? A Yes , sir . Q Hi . M ynam e i s Crai g Black . I' m th e attorne yfo r th e FAA . There' s a lo t o f folk s wh o ar e al l ove r th e countr yrigh t no w o nth e phone . I understan dyou'r e i nOhio . AYes , sir .



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an dthere' s a lo t o f folk s o nth e line , yo u ma yhav e som e troubl e hearin g m e a t som e point , s o i f yo u hav e an yquestion s abou t wha t I ask , i f you' dlik e m e t o repea t something , pleas e fee l fre e t o le t m e know . AAbsolutely . Q I' dlik e t o tak e yo u bac k t o th e da yi nSeptembe r o f ' 0 8 whe nyo u testifie d tha t yo u helpe dprepar e th e shipmen t fo r Smit h Cabl e t o b e delivere dt o Alask a Airlines . D o yo u recal l tha t time ? AYes , whe n- - Y^ ^- '^^ ®'^^ YI P^ t


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A Correc t Yes , sir . Q I t sound s - - fro mwha t you'v e describe dwhe nMr . Col e questione dyou , i t sound s lik e i t wa s rainin g a t th e time ? AYes , i t was . Q Now , yo u wer e i nSoutheas t Alask a fo r quit e a whil e b ytha t time , correct ? A Yes . Q An dyo u kno wi t tend s t o rai na fai r amoun t i nSoutheas t Alaska , correct ? AAbou t 9 8 percen t o f th e time . Yes , i t does . Q Tha t sound s abou t right . Wa s i t rainin g particularl yhar dtha t mornin g i n Ketchikan ? AI remembe r i t bein g cold . I kno w i t wa s rainin g prett y- - yeah . I t wa s rainin g prett ygood . I t wasn' t n o downpour , bu t w e wer e freezing . I t wa s rainin g good . Yo u know , a stead yrain .

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difficult yyo u wer e havin g i ngettin g thi s shipmen t togethe r fo r th e Aer l employee ? AI wasn' t frustrated . I wa s freezing . W e wer e definitel ycold , bu t no . I t wasn' t - - w e kne ww e ha dt o d o i t an dw e ha dt o wai t til l th e mornin g t o d o i t becaus e th e stuf f woul dhav e bee nwe t i f i t sa t outsid e al l night . W e wer e awar e o f ou r tas k
a t hand . Q I thin k yo u testifie dtha t yourself , Mr . - - I' msorr y- - Mr . Fialek , an d th e Aer l employe e AFialek , yes , sir . Q Yes . Th e thre e o f you , you , Mr . Fialek , an dth e Aer l employe e eac hworke d tryin g t o loa dth e material s t o b e shippe db y ai r int o th e Aer l truck ; wa s tha t correct ? AYes , i t was . Yes , i t is . Q An ddi d- - s o th e - - woul di t b e fai r t o sa ytha t th e thre e o f yo u al l wer e loadin g item s fro mth e pallet s int o hi s truck ?

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different ? A I kno wthere' s differen t Sur e G o ahead .

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o f it , bu t yeah , i t i s a lo t mor e expensive . You'r e right .

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Redirec t MR . COLE : I jus t hav e a coupl e questions . You r Honor , TOD D LINN E testifie da s follow s on ;

REDIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMR . COL E Q Mr . Linne , d o yo u remembe r any tap e bein g o nthi s camp stov e tha t yo u have ? AAn ywhat ? Q Tape . T-A-P-E .

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us e the ma whol e lot . Bu t I don' t - - no , ther e wouldn' t hav e bee nn o tap e o nit . No t tha t I - - I wouldn' t kno wwhy . Q An dd o yo u recal l thi s - - di di t hav e leg s o ni t tha t folde dou t o r di di t jus t si t flat ? A I believ e tha t on e sa t fla t an d th e tan k als o helpe di t balanc e --i s ho wthe y usuall yare . That' s wh yw e lik e th e longe r one s . Q An ddi dyo u hav e an yplasti c tote s tha t wer e par t o f you r luggag e o ntha t particula r trip ? APlasti c totes . Well , I gues s - - I don' t recall . I gues s ther e ma yhav e bee nfo r th e roller s becaus e th e roller s ar e smal l an d

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ha d- - ma yhav e pu t al l th e roller s i na plasti c tot e I guess . I don' t reall yrecall . Q Okay . An dMr . Blac k aske dyo u abou t whe nyo u loade dth e item s int o th e bac k
o f th e truc k abou t th e possibilit ytha t yo u migh t no t hav e see neverything . D o yo u remembe r tha t testimony ? A Yes . Q Bu t it' s prett yclea r tha t yo u sa w everythin g tha t go t loade do nth e palle t befor e th e transporte r go t there , right ? Yo u loade d- - yo u an dyou r partne r loade d everythin g tha t wer e o nth e tw o pallets , right ? AYes . W e loade dthe mtogether , on e palle t a t a tim e s o w e coul d- - w e ha dt o stac k the maccordingl ys o the ywouldn' t slid e al l ove r th e place . Yes , tha t - - tha t i s a fact . Q An dd o yo u kno wwher e thi s - - wer e yo u priv yt o wher e thi s particula r transporte r

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w e wer e done .

MR . COLE : Than k you . That' s al l th e question s I have .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Wan t t o cal l you r nex t witnes s then , please .

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MR . LINNE : Excus e me ? Excus e me ? JUDG E GOODWIN : D o no t tal k abou t wha t yo u testifie dunti l afte r th e hearing .

MR . LINNE : No . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay ? MR . LINNE : No . I' mactuall y sittin g outsid e an dit ' s zer o degree s an dhe ' s i nth e ca r becaus e w e ha dt o com e u p an dge t signal . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay .

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MR . COLE : G o ahead . Giv e u s you r firs t - - ful l nam e an dspel l you r last .

MR . FIALEK : Thoma s J . Fialek . Las t name' s F-I-A-L-E-K .

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Now , woul d di dther e com e a poin t wher e yo u ha dt o packag e u p everythin g an dshi p ou t fro mKetchikan ? AYes . Yep . Ther e wa s severa l time s wher e w e ha dt o pac k u p an dshi p up , but , yes , Ketchika ni s wher e we'r e referrin g thi s to . Q An dd o yo u recal l whe nyo u wer e movin g you r operatio nbac k t o Fairbanks ? AYep . Yes , I do . Clearly . Q An dwoul dyo u giv e u s a - - di dyo u mak e th e arrangement s t o shi p th e material s back ? ANo , I di dnot . Suc ha s pickin g ou t whic hcarg o compan yo r who' s eve r sendin g



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watchin g wha t yo u wer e puttin g o nt o mak e sur e nothin g imprope r wa s o nth e pallets ? AYes . Yep . M e an dTod dwer e righ t there . I mea ni t wa s han do neverything . Q Di dyo u an dTod dhav e a stov e o r somethin g simila r fo r you r job s ou t there ? AW e ha da gril l Q Okay . Afo r cookin g on . Q D o yo u remembe r wha t colo r tha t gril l was ? ABlac k I believe . Q Okay . Di di t hav e an ytap e o nit ? ATape ? No , sir . Q An dd o yo u recal l i f i t sa t fla t
o r i f i t ha dleg s o r anythin g lik e that ? AI don' t recall . They'r e al l prett ymuc hth e same . Leg s o nthem , yes . Li d tha t pop s of f an dthe nyou r rac k tha t yo u pu t whateve r o nt o cook .

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w e starte dloadin g ou r stuf f up . Q An di nth e cours e o f loading , woul dyo u hav e loade da stov e int o hi s truck ?



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ou t whatsoever . Th e stov e wa s o nth e truc k fro mspo t t o spo t an dno , w e shippe dth e stove . I neve r

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wer e th e thing s tha t wer e bein g shippe do n thos e pallets . APrett ymuc hal l wor k stuff . Ther e wa s cones , rai n- - excus e m e - - rai ngear , har dhats , lashers . That' s wha t w e us e o nou r lines . Ropes , bendin g boards , al l aeria l equipmen t stuf f an dclothes . Q An dyou' dbee nou t ther e fo r th e whol e summer , s o yo u ha dquit e a fe wclothes , right ? A Yes , sir . Q An dI assum e tha t yo u tr yt o avoi d th e extr a cos t impose dfo r shippin g luggag e whe nyo u travel , s o yo u jus t shi p som e o f you r clothe s ai r cargo ?

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al l wit htha t an dI mea nw e migh t hav e ha don e ba g tha t w e brough t o nth e place . Yep , becaus e w e wer e headin g t o Fairbank s . S o ye s . Yep . Q Okay . An dd o yo u kno wwher e tha t gentlema nwh o too k al l tha t equipmen t wen t afte r h e lef t you ? AI don't . No . I coul dno t tel l yo u that . Q Di dyo u hav e an yinvolvemen t i n offloadin g th e equipmen t fro mtha t truc k a t th e Alask a Airline s ai r carg o facility ? ANo , w e di dnot . Q An dwer e yo u - - di dyo u pic k u p - - I thin k yo u alread ysai dyo u picke du p som e o f th e stuf f i nth e - - whe ni t arrive d i n Fairbanks ? AExactly . Yes , sir . Q An dwa s ther e a stov e i nan yo f tha t equipmen t whe nyo u picke di t u p i n Fairbanks ?

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you r word , tank ? AWell , it' s a cylinder , yes . Q Acylinder ? Wha t doe s th e cylinde r loo k like ? AYo u ca nge t numerou s ones . I thin k yo u ca nge t blu e cylinders , yello w cylinders . They'r e a foo t lon g an dsi xinche s wide . Q An dwha t - - wh o purchase dthi s gril l tha t yo u an dMr . Linn e use di nSoutheas t Alask a tha t summer ? ATodd . Q Mr . Linn e did ? AYes . Q I thin k yo u testifie dtha t yo u helpe dTod dan da nemploye e o f Aer l loa dth e Smit hCabl e item s int o th e bac k o f th e Aer l - - well , le t rephras e tha t becaus e I don' t thin k yo u use dth e wor dAerl . Le t m e as k tha t questio nagain , Mr . Linne . I' msorry . O r excus e m e - - Mr . Fialek . I' msorry . I

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understan dtha t yo u helpe dMr . Linn e an d anothe r perso nloa dth e Smit hCabl e materia l int o th e truc k tha t woul dthe ndelive r tha t materia l t o Alask a Airline s i nKetchikan ; i s tha t correct ? A That' s correc t Q Wha t wa s tha t da ylik e fo r you ? AI t wa s anothe r day . W e wer e gettin g read y- - jo bwa s windin g u p an dw e wer e shippin g ou r stuf f u p north . Ther e wa s nothin g differen t abou t i t an dan yothe r da y tha t w e shippe dout . W e packe dth e stuf f o n pallet s an dshippe di t out . I mea ni t wa s simpl e a s tha t an dgu yme t u s there . Obviousl yw e unloade di t an dthe nw e thre wi t al l i nth e bac k o f hi s va nan dh e package di t
u p an dshippe di t fro mKetchika nt o Fairbanks . Q No wI understan dtha t yo u ha dth e materia l o npallets , bu t yo u couldn' t loa dth e pallet s int o th e cub e va ntha t arrived ; i s tha t correct? ?

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gea r o nthem , they' dprobabl yg o 2,00 0 pound s woul db e myguess , sir , an dw e weren' t goin g t o lif t them . Q An ds o wha t di dyo u d o instea do f tr yt o lif t it ? AW e too k i t al l of f palle t an d place di t i nth e bac k o f hi s cub e va nan dh e too k i t t o hi s warehous e an dloade d i t u p o n pallet s an dsen t i t nort ht o Fairbanks . Q Whe nyo u sai d- - I believ e th e wor dyo u use dwa s w e loade di t int o th e cub e van , ar e yo u referrin g - - wh o ar e yo u referrin g t o specifically ? AMe , Todd , an dhim . H e helpe du s tak e i t al l apart , al l o f us . Q S o i t wa s you , Mr . Linn e Tod dand . Q an dthe nth e employe e wit h th e cub e van ? AYes , sir . 

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wa s goin g t o g o o nth e ferry ? AI don' t remember . Q Yo u don' t recal l i f i t ha dalread y bee nshipped? A I don' t recal l Q Wher e wa s thi s loadin g done ? AThi s wa s don e a t a hote l tha t w e staye dat . H e me t u s righ t there . Q Wa s tha t th e hote l tha t yo u staye d
a t throughou t you r tim e i nKetchikan ? AYes . Q Whe nyo u wer e don e wit hyou r day' s work , woul dyo u alway s retur nth e - - I believ e yo u calle di t a bucke t truc k als o t o tha t hotel ? Ye s Q Bu t yo u don' t recal l whethe r th e bucke t truc k wa s ther e tha t mornin g whe nyo u

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(Complainant' s Exhibi t H admitted ) JUDG E GOODWIN : It' s probabl y goin g t o tak e a whil e t o ge t th e transcript . Mr . Black , ho wlon g ar e yo u goin g t o b e i n Florida ? M R. BLACK ; Onc e I receiv e th e transcript , I thin k I'l l b e abl e t o brie f closin g withi nthre e weeks .

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w e d o this . Onc e w e ge t th e transcript , I'l l pu t a pos t hearin g briefin g schedule . S o it' s probabl yno t goin g t o b e i n- - oh , Apri l o r May . I f eithe r on e o f yo u hav e a proble mwit h th e briefin g schedule , tal k amon g yourselves . I f yo u ca nagre e o na ne wschedulin g time , jus t sen dm e a norde r an dI'l l sig nit .

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MR . BLACK : Tak e care . MR . COLE : We'r e of f record . (Of f record ) (EN D O F PROCEEDINGS )

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