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3 I n th e Matte r o f : )

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4 PUBLI C HEARIN G O N PROPOSE D )

REVISION S T O TH E NATIONA L )

5 AMBIEN T AI R QUALIT Y STANDARD S )

FO R OZON E )

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BEFOR E TH E EP A PANE L MEMBER S :

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Willia m Niebling

10 Mar k Hansen

Heathe r Simon

11 Scot t Jenkins

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24 Place : Arlingto n

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5 LIS T O F SPEAKER S : PAGE

6 Lyndsa y Moseley

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7 Te d Steichen

................................ ........ 16

8 Nicol e Downey

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9 Luk e Metzger

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10 Nei l Carman

................................ ........... 30

11 Sharo n Wilson

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12 Trish a Sheehan

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13 Wend y Bredhold

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14 Moll y Rauch

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15 Fran k O' Donnell

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16 Lindsa y Pace

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17 Melani e Oldham

................................ ........ 53

18 Elen a Craft

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19 Jaco b Arechiga

................................ ...... 59

20 Sara h Davenport

................................ ..... 63

21 Christia n Stumpf

................................ ...... 66

22 Patrici a Brown

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23 Keit h Annis

................................ ......... 71

24 Rebecc a Wooten

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25 Cherell e Blazer

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3 Ingri d Kelley

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4 Joa n Sandstrom

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5 Christin a Wisdom

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6 Christin e Guldi

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7 Richar d Guldi

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8 Susybell e Gosslee

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9 Za c Trahan

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10 Core y Troiani

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11 Susa n Pacheco

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12 Hecto r Rivero

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13 Joh n Kissel

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14 Virgini a Fugman

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15 Madiso n Griffin

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16 Li z Wally

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17 Rache l Bake r Ford

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18 Laur a Paul

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19 Tyle r Paul

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20 Jua n Ramirez

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21 Stephe n Webster

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22 Ji m Schermbeck

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23 Sara h Sharif

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24 Grac e Darling

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3 And y Wilson

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4 Mar y Goodman

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5 Susa n Cooper

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6 Lawrenc e Goodman

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7 A l Braden

................................ .......... 156

8 To m Smitt y Smith

................................ ..... 162

9 Davi d Brymer

................................ ....... 165

10 Rober t Harris

................................ ........ 170

11 Davi d Martineau

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12 Susa n Lippman

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13 Antoni o Gonzalez

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14 Dare l Smith

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15 Alic e Canestar o

- Garcia

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16 Stev e Everley

................................ ........ 184

17 Don a Upson

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18 Whitne y Pearson

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19 Kamen e Domuba i

- Ogidi

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20 Moll y Rooke

................................ ........ 198

21 Rober t Haley

................................ ....... 199

22 Do n Jaquess

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23 Jeralyn n Jacke e Cox

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24 Susa n Brown

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4 Sandr a DenBraber

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5 Davi d Griggs

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6 Eri n Monro e Wesley

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7 Su e Pope

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8 Eilee n Brown

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9 Sar a Campbell

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10 Reggi e James

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11 Fait h Chatham

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12 Margare t DeMoss

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13 Harrie t Irby

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14 Ki m Feil

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15 Zachar y Craft

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16 Scot t Johnson

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17 Bo b Fazen

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18 Sandr a Breakfield

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19 Lind a Cooke

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20 Sharo n Glen n Speiss

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21 Ji m Moffett

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22 Tamm y Carson

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23 Bo b Fusinato

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4 Ann e Morton

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5 Siste r Elizabet h Riebschlaeger

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6 Sonj a Arnquist

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7 Shammar a Norris

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8 Jan e Lynn

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9 Scot t Berthel

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10 Sall y Berthel

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11 Marshal l Smith

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12 Beck y Bornhorst

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13 Caro l Soph

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14 E d Soph

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15 Ranjan a Bhamdari

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16 Wend i Hammond

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17 Calvi n Tillman

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18 Christin e Walker

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19 Rit a Beving

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20 Tan e Ward

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21 Terenc e Thorn

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22 Ki m Limberg

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23 Dwayn e Quertermous

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24 Jimm y Hosch

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3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Goo d mornin g

, everyon e

.

4 Welcom e

. M y nam e i s Willia m Nieblin g

, an d I a m the

5 chai r o f today ' s publi c hearin g

. Than k yo u fo r coming

6 today

. I t' s 9 : 0 0 o' cloc k

. I thin k we ' r e goin g t o get

7 starte d

. O n th e pane l her e toda y ar e Scot t Jenkin s

,

8 Heathe r Simo n

, an d Mar k Hanse n

, al l o f u s fro m th e EP A ' s

9 Offic e Ai r Qualit y Plannin g an d Standard s

.

10 We ' r e her e toda y t o liste n t o you r comments

11 o n pr o pose d re visio n s t o th e Nationa l Ambien t Air

12 Qualit y Standard s fo r Ozon e

. ( Placin g microphon e in

13 fron t o f hi m

. ) I s thi s a littl e bette r ? We ' r e here

14 toda y th e liste n t o you r comment s o n propose d revisions

15 t o th e Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standard s fo r Ozon e

.

16 EP A announce d thi s proposa l rul e o n Novembe r 25

, 2014

17 an d publishe d i t i n th e Federa l Registe r o n Decembe r 1 7

,

1 8 201 4

.

19 EP A ' s proposa l i s base d o n extensive

20 scientifi c evidenc e abou t ozon e' s effect s o n public

21 healt h an d welfar e

. Th e pr opose d update s wil l i mprove

22 publi c healt h protectio n

, particularl y fo r childre n

, the

23 elderl y

, an d peopl e o f al l age s wh o hav e lun g diseases

24 suc h a s a s thm a a s wel l a s improv e publi c welfare

25 protectio n

, particularl y relate d t o ozone

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- 2449 1 tree s an d othe r plant s i n protecte d foreste d ecosystem s

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2 suc h a s nationa l wildernes s area s

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3 W e hav e propose d t o strengthe n bot h the

4 primar y ozon e standar d t o protec t publi c healt h

, an d the

5 secondar y ozon e standar d t o protec t publi c welfar e

. We

6 ar e proposin g t o se t th e level s o f th e primar y an d the

7 secondar y standard s i n a rang e fro m 6 5 t o 7 0 part s per

8 billio n

. Thes e standard s woul d b e me t whe n the

9 three

- yea r averag e o f th e annua l fourt h

- highes t daily

10 maximu m eigh t

- hou r averag e ozon e concentratio n i s a t or

11 belo w th e ne w leve l

.

12 Th e proposa l woul d als o exten d th e ozone

13 monitorin g seaso n fo r man y state s an d updat e th e Air

14 Qualit y Inde x t o ensur e peopl e ar e informe d abou t their

15 ai r qualit y

. Thes e pr o pose d standard s d o no t establish

16 emissio n contro l requirement s fo r an y particular

17 industr y

. Eac h stat e

, a s neede d

, wil l determin e ho w to

18 bes t mee t th e standard s i n a wa y tha t make s th e most

19 sens e fo r tha t are a

. State s wil l hav e tim e t o develop

20 an d implemen t plan s t o mee t r e vise d standard s

. Existing

21 an d propose d federa l rule s wil l hel p th e vas t majority

22 o f area s mee t th e propose d standard s b y 202 5

.

23 I' d lik e t o than k yo u fo r takin g tim e out

24 o f you r da y toda y t o joi n u s an d shar e you r comment s

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25 W e wil l accep t comment s o n al l aspect s o f th e proposa l

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. Before

2 w e ge t starte d

, I ' d lik e t o g o throug h a few

3 housekeepin g item s an d groun d rule s tha t wil l hel p make

4 today ' s hearin g ru n smoothl y

.

5 First

, pleas e b e sur e yo u hav e chec k e d in

6 a t th e registratio n des k eve n i f yo u 'r e no t plannin g to

7 spea k today

. An d i f yo u signe d u p t o spea k onlin e o r by

8 phon e bu t have n ' t tol d u s tha t yo u' r e her e

, pleas e step

9 ou t t o th e registratio n des k an d le t th e EP A staf f there

10 kno w tha t yo u' v e arrive d

.

11 S o her e' s ho w toda y' s hearin g wil l wor k :

12 I' l l cal l speaker s u p th e pai r s

. Whe n you r nam e is

13 calle d

, pleas e com e t o th e tabl e a t th e fron t o f the

14 roo m an d remai n a t th e tabl e unti l bot h speaker s have

15 complete d thei r comment s

. Whe n I cal l o n yo u t o spea k

,

16 pleas e stat e you r nam e an d spel l i t fo r th e court

17 reporte r

. You r comment s wil l b e transcribe d and

18 include d i n th e officia l recor d o f comment s o r docke t on

19 th e propose d rul e

. Th e spellin g o f you r nam e i s ver y

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20 ver y helpfu l fo r ou r cour t reporte r

, s o pleas e remember

21 t o d o tha t

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22 Eac h speake r wil l hav e fiv e minute s t o give

23 you r comment s

. W e hav e a ligh t her e t o hel p yo u know

24 ho w muc h tim e yo u hav e lef t t o spea k

. Whe n th e light

25 turn s fro m gree n t o yello w

, tha t mean s yo u hav e one11

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. Whe n i t turn s re d

, tha t ' s a signa l to

2 wra p u p you r testimon y

. Th e ligh t wil l flas h re d and

3 bee p whe n yo u hav e spoke n fo r fiv e minute s an d i t is

4 tim e t o sto p

. Whe n yo u hav e finishe d speakin g

, please

5 remai n a t th e tabl e unti l th e perso n nex t t o yo u has

6 complete d hi s o r he r testimon y

. We ' r e her e t o liste n to

7 yo u toda y ; howeve r

, a pane l membe r ma y as k question s to

8 clarif y you r comment s

. Afte r yo u completel y finished

9 speakin g

, I wil l the n cal l u p th e nex t perso n an d s o on

10 an d s o fort h

.

11 I f yo u hav e a writte n cop y o f your

12 testimon y

, pleas e giv e i t t o th e staf f a t the

13 registratio n des k befor e yo u leav e toda y

. W e 'l l pu t any

14 writte n comment s submitte d toda y i n th e officia l docket

15 fo r th e pr o pose d rul e

. I f yo u hav e an y additional

16 comment s yo u woul d lik e t o mak e

, yo u ca n submi t the m in

17 writin g unti l Marc h 1 7

, 201 5

. Instruction s for

18 submittin g additiona l writte n comment s ar e availabl e at

19 th e material s tabl e nea r th e registratio n des k

.

20 Th e schedule d hearin g wil l continu e until

21 7: 3 0 p .m

. tonigh t

. W e wil l tak e a lunc h brea k around

22 1: 0 0 p .m

. an d the n wil l continu e straigh t throug h until

23 7: 3 0

. I n additio n

, w e ma y tak e occasiona l shor t breaks

24 throughou t th e da y

. W e wil l kee p yo u poste d a s th e day

25 goe s o n

. I f yo u hav e an y question s durin g th e da y

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- 2449 1 pleas e se e th e staf f a t th e registratio n des k and

2 someon e wil l tr y t o hel p yo u

.

3 Finall y

, I' d lik e t o as k eac h o f yo u t o be

4 respectfu l o f everyon e wh o speak s toda y

. W e hav e people

5 wit h a wid e variet y o f view s i n th e audienc e

, an d we

6 wan t t o hea r fro m al l o f yo u

. S o w e ca n d o tha t

, an d to

7 b e fai r t o everyon e

, w e as k tha t everyon e listen

8 quietl y

. Eve n applaus e ca n slo w thing s dow n

, an d we

9 wan t t o hea r fro m everyon e wh o ha s signe d u p t o speak

.

10 I f yo u hav e signs

, pleas e stan d a t th e bac k o f th e roo m

.

11 S o wit h tha t

, than k yo u agai n fo r taking

12 th e tim e toda y t o shar e you r comment s

. W e 'l l get

13 starte d

. Th e firs t tw o peopl e I ' d lik e t o cal l u p are

14 Lyndsa y Mosele y an d Te d Steiche n

. Than k yo u

.

15 TH E REPORTE R : I' m sorr y

, ca n I as k yo u a

16 questio n ? S o ar e yo u

- al l goin g t o b e speakin g a lot

17 throughou t toda y becaus e I ca n barel y hea r yo u

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G : No

, w e ar e no t

.

19 TH E REPORTE R : Oka y

. I jus t wante d t o as k

.

20 MR

. NIEBLIN G : I' l l tr y t o ge t close r to

21 th e microphon e

.

22 TH E REPORTE R : I did n ' t kno w tha t y ' all

23 wer e goin g t o

- - sh e jus t tol d m e tha t i t wa s goin g to

24 b e tha t des k ( pointin g ) an d everybod y woul d b e going

25 ove r ther e

. I did n' t kno w yo u wer e goin g t o hav e your13

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.

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5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : No

. W e' r e jus t calling

TH E REPORTE R : Oka y

. Than k yo u

.

MS

. MOSELE Y : Goo d mornin g

. Than k yo u for

6 th e opportunit y t o spea k toda y i n suppor t o f a stronger

7 Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standar d s fo r Ozon e

. My

8 nam e i s Lyndsa y Mosele y Alexande r

. I' m th e vice

9 presiden t

, assistan t vic e presiden t

, an d national

10 health y ai r campaig n directo r fo r th e America n Lung

11 Associatio n

.

12 Th e America n Lun g Associatio n i s the

13 natio n ' s oldes t voluntar y organizatio n

. Ou r missio n is

14 t o sav e live s b y i m provin g lun g healt h an d pr e venting

15 lun g diseas e

. Strengthenin g th e ozon e i s ou r standard

16 t o th e mos t protectiv e leve l recommende d b y the

17 scientist s woul d brin g abou t significan t d e crease s in

18 asthm a attack s

, coughin g an d wheezin g

, misse d schoo l and

19 workday s

, an d mor e

.

20 Whe n smo g trigger s asthm a attack s

, i t sends

21 childre n an d adult s t o th e emergenc y departmen t

. The

22 sa d trut h

, som e o f the m do n ' t mak e i t hom e

. Newer

23 evidenc e warn s tha t inhalin g dangerou s smo g worsens

24 hear t diseas e an d cause s har m t o th e centra l nervous

25 syste m an d i n crease s th e ris k o f lo w birt h weigh t in14

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- 2449 1 newborn s

. Wit h healt h risk s lik e thes e

, i t' s n o wonder

2 tha t

, durin g thi s perio d

, yo u wil l hea r fro m doctor s

,

3 nurse s

, an d othe r healt h professional s

, a s wel l as

4 parent s concerne d fo r th e healt h o f thei r kid s

.

5 Aroun d noo n today

, yo u wil l hea r from

6 Tyler

, a 12

- yea r

- ol d bo y

. H e ha s a s th m a

, an d h e wants

7 yo u t o understan d wha t i t' s lik e whe n h e ca n ' t breathe

8 o n ba d ai r day s

. Yo u wil l als o hea r fro m hi s mo m about

9 ho w frightenin g i t i s t o rus h hi m t o th e hospita l

.

10 The y' v e learne d t o manag e thei r asthm a th e bes t they

11 ca n

, an d wha t the y ca n' t contro l i s outdoo r air

12 pollutio n whic h trigger s asthm a attack s

.

13 I urg e yo u t o liste n t o thes e storie s and

14 remembe r thei r faces

. Thes e ar e th e peopl e Congres s had

15 i n min d whe n the y wrot e a pas t Clea n Ai r Ac t

. I also

16 urg e yo u t o liste n t o th e scientist s

. Th e Clea n Ai r Act

17 require s yo u t o se t ai r qualit y standard s tha t protect

18 healt h wit h a margi n o f safet y an d kee p thos e standards

19 u p t o dat e wit h regula r scientifi c review s

. Yo u know

20 tha t

, thi s i s wh y we ' r e havin g thi s conversatio n

.

21 Whe n th e independen t healt h expert s o n your

22 Clea n Ai r Scientifi c Advisor y Committe e wrappe d u p their

23 mos t recen t revie w o f mor e tha n 2

, 00 0 studie s

, they

24 conclude d unanimou s tha t th e curren t standar d for

25 7 5 part s pe r billio n i s in adequat e an d mus t be15

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. Th e scientifi c messag e wa s clear

, that

2 yo u mus t se t a standar d betwee n 6 0 an d 7 0 part s per

3 billio n

, bu t mor e specificall y

, I cal l you r attentio n to

4 thi s commen t fro m CASAC

. Th e recommende d

- - t o lower

5 tha t fro m 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d certainl y offer

6 mor e publi c healt h protectio n tha n level s o f 7 0 or

7 level s o f 6 5 an d woul d provid e a n adequat e margi n of

8 safet y

.

9 Base d o n th e scientifi c evidenc e an d the

10 requirement s o f th e la w

, th e America n Lun g Association

11 strongl y urge s EP A t o adop t th e mos t protectiv e standard

12 recommende d b y th e scientist s o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

13 B y EP A ' s ow n analysi s

, a standar d se t a t 6 0 wil l pr e vent

14 u p t o 790 0 prematur e death s

, 1

. 8 millio n asthm a attacks

15 i n childre n

, an d 1

. 9 millio n misse d schoo l day s each

16 yea r

.

17 Congres s wisel y require d th e E P A t o se t the

18 qualit y standard s wit h thi s on e purpos e : T o protect

19 publi c healt h wit h a n adequat e margi n o f safet y

. The

20 clea r in ten t o f congres s

, th e standar d b e base d on

21 healt h protectio n ha s bee n affirme d b y th e unanimous

22 decisio n o f th e Suprem e Court

. Th e healt h

- based

23 standar d i s a corne r st o n e i n th e Clea n Ai r Ac t

, an d it

24 grant s ever y perso n i n thi s roo m an d ever y perso n across

25 thi s natio n th e righ t t o kno w th e trut h abou t th e air16

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- 2449 1 qualit y an d whethe r o r no t it ' s dangerou s whe n w e inhale

2 it

.

3 T o se t th e standar d base d o n an y other

4 criteri a suc h a s cos t o r feasibilit y i s no t only

5 illega l

, bu t i t woul d resul t i n a standar d tha t misleads

6 th e America n peopl e an d provide s a fals e sens e of

7 securit y tha t th e ai r the y breath e i s saf e whe n i t might

8 no t b e

. Wit h th e mor e protectiv e smo g standar d

, th e sky

9 i s no t fallin g

, a s som e migh t hav e yo u believ e toda y

.

10 O n th e contrar y

, th e sk y i s clea r an d America n families

11 acros s th e countr y wil l breath e easie r

.

12 O n behal f o f th e America n Lun g Associatio n

,

13 than k yo u agai n fo r th e opportunit y t o speak

. I urge

14 yo u t o hee d th e scientifi c consensu s

, follo w th e la w

,

15 an d delive r th e lon g ove r du e publi c healt h protections

16 w e deserv e

. Anythin g les s short

- change s ou r healt h and

17 th e healt h o f ou r childre n

. Than k yo u

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G

. Ho w ' s tha t ?

19 TH E REPORTE R : I ca n ' t hea r

. I t coul d be

20 loude r

. Tha t woul d b e grea t i f the y ca n spea k int o the

21 mik e

.

22 MR

. STEICHE N : Al l righ t

. Goo d mornin g

.

23 I' m Te d Steiche n

, an d tha t ' s S

- T

- E

- I

- C

- H

- E

- N

, an d I ' m

24 th e senio r polic y adviso r wit h th e America n Petroleum

25 Institut e

. AP I ha s ove r 6 2 5 oi l an d natura l gas17

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 companie s

, leader s i n technolog y

- drive n industr y

, that

2 suppl y mos t o f American s energ y supportin g 9

. 8 million

3 job s

, 8 percen t o f U

. S

. econom y

, an d sinc e 2 0 00

, nearly

4 2 trillio n dollar s i n U

. S

. capita l project s depend s all

5 form s o f energ y throug h th e alternative s

.

6 AP I ' s membe r companie s ar e i n al l aspects

7 o f th e oi l an d ga s industr y an d operat e facilitie s and

8 produc e product s tha t ar e i m pacte d b y thes e regulation s

.

9 Th e oi l an d ga s industr y ha s mad e significant

10 contribution s t o cleane r ai r

. Sinc e 1 9 90

, th e oi l and

11 ga s industrie s in veste d mor e tha n 28 4 billio n dollar s in

12 im provin g product s an d processe s

. Th e America n ' s

13 abundanc e suppl y o f natura l ga s contribute d t o lower

14 criteri a an d greenhous e ga s emission s

.

15 A combinatio n o f cleane r gasolin e and

16 diese l fuel s

, modernize d equipmen t an d facilitie s

, and

17 mor e fue l efficien t vehicle s hav e helpe d reduce

18 submission s o f ai r pollutio n b y 6 2 percen t betwee n 19 8 0

19 an d 2 0 1 3 eve n a s vehicl e mile s travele d ove r 9 5 percen t

.

20 Progres s i s clear

, ozon e concentratio n i s

- - unde r the

21 curren t rule s hav e droppe d b y 1 8 percen t sinc e 2 00 0

.

22 Thes e im provement s ar e i mpressiv e an d wil l continu e

.

23 I n 20 0 8

, th e ozon e standard s wer e se t at

24 th e mos t stringen t level s eve r

, an d thes e standard s are

25 onl y no w bein g implemente d b y state s an d businesse s

.18

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 Ironicall y

, som e o f th e guidanc e t o mee t thos e 2 008

2 standard s i s stil l unde r revie w b y th e Obama

3 Administratio n ' s Offic e o f Managemen t an d Budge t an d has

4 no t bee n release d t o hel p th e state s mee t thos e current

5 standard s

.

6 Nonetheles s

, E P A ha s no w pr opose d to

7 tighte n thos e standard s

. Oka y

, than k yo u

. Lookin g to

8 tighte n thos e standard s

- - i f th e E P A choose s to

9 un necessaril y lowe r th e ozon e standard s

, hundre d s of

10 billion s o f dollar s o f annua l U. S

. economi c outpu t in

11 million s o f job s coul d b e los t

. Th e degre e an d rang e of

12 potentia l i m pact s fro m an y chang e i n th e standards

13 highligh t th e nee d fo r robus t debat e abou t th e science

14 t o b e use d an d justifie d i n thes e standard s

.

15 Regardin g th e proposa l

, EP A offer s four

16 point s tha t w e believ e shoul d guid e th e EPA

17 administrator s ' decisio n

- makin g proces s

. First

, new

18 ozon e standard s ar e simpl y no t neede d

. A careful

19 analysi s o f th e healt h studie s indica t e s th e current

20 standard s a t 7 5 pp b ar e workin g t o protec t ai r quality

21 an d pu b li c healt h

. W e urg e th e agenc y t o carefully

22 revie w ou r d e taile d comment s tha t wil l b e submitte d in

23 writin g durin g thi s perio d

. W e' r e goin g t o highlight

24 th e limitation s an d th e lac k o f significanc e i n those

25 healt h studie s

.19

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- 2449 1 Secon d

, th e 20 0 8 standard s hav e no t been

2 me t acros s a vas t portio n o f th e countr y

. Fro m a public

3 polic y perspectiv e

, i t make s n o sens e t o i m pos e new

4 requirement s o n state s an d businesse s unti l further

5 progres s i s mad e toward s achievin g complianc e wit h th e se

6 presen t standard s

. Thir d

, th e negativ e environmen t

- -

7 th e negativ e economi c effect s o f a lowe r ozon e standard

8 coul d hav e suc h a n effec t o n busines s an d familie s that

9 th e E P A woul d b e doin g mor e har m tha n goo d i n adopting

10 the m

.

11 Dependin g o n th e leve l selecte d

, de creasing

12 th e ozon e standar d s woul d pu t almos t th e entir e country

13 ou t o f complianc e

. Specificall y

, standard s a t 6 5 ppb

14 woul d lea d t o potentia l nonattai n men t area s i n 4 5 o f the

15 lowe r 4 8 state s

. Furthe r mor e

, tightenin g th e standards

16 coul d mee t an d caus e ou r econom y t o nos e div e an d people

17 t o los e thei r job s

.

18 Fourt h

, suc h standard s coul d b e virtually

19 un attainabl e

, give n th e hig h level s o f backgroun d ozone

20 whic h ca n approac h 7 0 pp b

. A s propose d

, th e new

21 standard s woul d impos t u n achievabl e emissio n judgment

22 requirement s o n man y part s o f th e natio n i n rura l and

23 un develope d areas

. Eve n pristin e area s wit h no

24 industria l activitie s suc h a s nationa l part s woul d be

25 ou t o f attainmen t

. U n attainabl e standard s ar e no t smart20

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- 2449 1 publi c polic y o r goo d governmen t

.

2 Togethe r

, w e hav e mad e goo d progres s in

3 cleanin g u p th e ai r

, an d w e wil l continu e t o d o s o with

4 th e existin g ozon e standard s

. An y optio n t o tighten

5 thes e standard s an d i m pos e additiona l burden s o n state s

,

6 localitie s

, an d businesse s shoul d b e rejecte d

. Th e E P A

7 administrato r ha s a discretio n t o affir m th e current

8 standard s

, an d w e strongl y urg e he r t o d o so

.

9 EP A STAF F : Th e mik e was n' t eve n on

.

10 MS

. DOWNE Y : Oka y

. I thin k th e mik e i s on

11 no w

. M y nam e i s

- -

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Ca n yo u ge t close r ?

13 MS

. DOWNE Y : Oka y

. M y nam e i s Nicole

14 Downe y

. M y las t nam e

, D

- O

- W

- N

- E

- Y

. I ' m a consultant

15 fo r Eart h Syste m Science s i n Housto n

, Texa s

. I wan t to

16 than k yo u

, EP A staff

, an d everyon e her e fo r takin g the

17 tim e t o organiz e thi s meetin g an d t o hea r ou r public

18 comment s

. I ' m goin g t o star t ou t b y talkin g a little

19 bi t abou t backgroun d ozone

. Th e propose d revise d ozone

20 ac t i s approachin g th e leve l o f ozon e tha t woul d exist

21 i n th e Unite d State s i f al l indigen t source s are

22 elimina t e d

. Thi s mean s we ' v e don e a reall y goo d jo b of

23 cleanin g u p th e ai r i n ou r countr y

, an d no w w e' r e a t the

24 poin t wher e we ' r e mentionin g th e term s an d w e 're

25 reachin g th e poin t wher e backgroun d ozon e i s goin g to21

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- 2449 1 becom e a rea l issu e i n th e implementatio n i n going

2 forwar d wit h thi s standar d

.

3 Th e backgroun d ozon e varie s regionall y and

4 i s highes t i n th e wester n Unite d State s wher e global

5 chemica l model s indicat e tha t ( inaudibl e ) ca n excee d 60

6 part s pe r billio n

. Backgroun d ozon e i s forme d b y a

7 combinatio n o f natura l emission s an d international

8 transpor t

. Ove r tim e

, backgroun d ozon e ha s i n creased

9 du e t o i n crease s i n th e internationa l submission s

.

10 Order e d state s suc h a s Texa s an d Californi a hav e the

11 highes t i m pac t o n internationa l emission s

, an d these

12 emission s ar e no t controllabl e b y U

. S

. policie s

.

13 I t wil l b e di s proportionat e l y difficul t for

14 th e ordere d state s i n area s wit h hig h backgroun d ozone

15 t o achiev e lowe r ozon e standard s du e t o th e relatively

16 smalle r incremen t betwee n backgroun d ozon e an d th e ozone

17 standar d

. Lowerin g th e ozon e standar d be lo w 7 5 parts

18 pe r billio n wil l

, fo r th e firs t tim e

, mak e man y rural

19 area s g o int o no n attainmen t

. Throughou t th e ozon e NAAQS

20 revie w cycl e an d i n th e pr o pose d rul e

, EP A ha s argued

21 tha t backgroun d ca n b e deal t wit h durin g implementation

22 an d shoul d no t b e considere d i n th e NAAQ S setting

23 proces s

.

24 Th e E P A suggest s tha t th e current

25 provision s i n th e Clea n Ai r Ac t ca n b e invoke d to22

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- 2449 1 alleviat e th e burde n associate d wit h backgroun d ozone

.

2 Thes e includ e th e exceptiona l advanc e rul e

, th e rule

3 transpor t rul e

, an d th e internationa l transpor t rul e

.

4 Th e E P A proces s t o identif y

, fla g

, an d ultimately

5 approv e a n exceptiona l even t i s tim e consumin g and

6 burdensom e t o th e state s

. Wit h a lowe r NAAQ S fo r ozone

7 standar d

, ther e wil l b e mor e ( inaudibl e ) du e t o no n local

8 source s

, an d the y essentiall y in creas e exponentiall y as

9 yo u mov e toward s 6 0

.

10 Th e numbe r o f exceptiona l event s or

11 internationa l transpor t event s wil l in crease

12 significantl y

, thereb y i ncreasin g th e burde n o n bot h the

13 state s an d E PA

. Curren t stat e o f th e scienc e modeling

14 technolog y i s no t re fine d enoug h t o provid e accurate

15 sourc e proportio n o f th e ozon e pe r backgroun d for

16 natura l an d inter nationa l source s

. Fo r exampl e

, there

17 i s significan t un certaint y i n th e relationshi p between

18 wil d fir e emission s an d ozon e attac k s an d different

19 parameterization s an d wil d fir e emission s produc e direct

20

- - drasticall y differen t ozon e i m pacts

. Eithe r yo u can

21 hav e a wil d fir e an d hav e zer o ozon e impac t o r a wild

22 fir e an d a hundre d part s pe r billio n ozon e impac t

.

23 Tha t' s th e kin d o f mode l variabilit y tha t we ' r e talking

24 abou t an d th e u n certaint y tha t w e 'r e talkin g abou t her e

.

25 Stratospheri c intrusion s o r small23

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- 2449 1 tropospheri c fold s directl y transpor t ozon e int o the

2 tropospher e an d man y chemica l transpor t models

3 under predic t th e magnitud e o f th e stratosphere

4 ( inaudibl e ) int o th e tropospher e

. Lightin g production

5 o f NAAQ S i s poorl y understoo d an d poorl y constraine d in

6 chemica l transpor t model s bu t ca n produc e ver y large

7 in crease s i n surfac e modele d ozon e a s ha s bee n show n in

8 severa l recen t paper s

.

9 NAAQ S yield s i n a vertica l distributio n of

10 NAAQ S an d th e atmospher e r e mai n ke y un certaintie s her e

.

11 Th e qualit y o f internationa l emissio n inventorie s is

12 generall y lowe r tha n domesti c inventorie s an d i t i s not

13 un commo n t o se e a facto r o f tw o uncertaintie s i n the

14 emission s estimate s

. Take n togethe r th e uncertainties

15 an d modelin g backgroun d ozone

, source s wil l

, i n par t

,

16 significan t uncertaint y o n determinin g whethe r events

17 ar e du e t o backgroun d ozon e

. Thi s i s no t a solved

18 scientifi c proble m

. It ' s no t goin g t o b e eas y t o do

19 thi s becaus e th e scienc e is n' t ther e ye t

.

20 I n th e Wester n U. S

. , backgroun d ozon e is

21 persistentl y hig h an d ( inaudibl e ) o f a lowe r ozone

22 standar d ma y no t b e solel y du e t o a larg e singl e source

23 even t suc h a s a stratospheri c intrusio n

, bu t i t wil l be

24 du e t o a combinatio n o f backgroun d source s tha t wil l not

25 b e easil y identifiabl e o r distinc t

. Th e exceptional24

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 event s polic y state s tha t a n exceptiona l even t mus t be

2 associate d wit h a measur e o f concentratio n i n exces s of

3 norma l historica l fluctuation s

, includin g backgroun d

,

4 whic h wil l prohibi t state s fro m excludin g event s that

5 ar e abov e th e standar d bu t no t i n exces s o f normal

6 historica l fluctuation s

, includin g backgroun d

.

7 I n a cas e o f internationa l transpor t

,

8 significan t im pac t r e main s un d efine d an d wil l determine

9 whethe r th e internationa l transpor t rul e wil l b e useful

10 i n addressin g backgroun d ozon e

. I n short

, background

11 ozon e likel y wil l no t b e easil y addresse d during

12 implementatio n

, an d tha t ' s wha t I 'l l tal k abou t nex t

, it

13 shoul d b e considere d i n th e NAAQ S settin g proces s an d it

14 shoul d b e considere d i n th e calculatio n o f ris k

.

15 Th e R A A discusse s sourc e proportio n model s

16 ( inaudibl e ) tha t describ e th e relationshi p between

17 backgroun d ozon e an d ambien t ozon e

. E P A ha s argue d that

18 sourc e proportionat e bas e modelin g i s mor e appropriate

19 tha n th e zer o

- ou t modelin g tha t wa s i n th e I S A because

20 o f backgroun d ozon e becaus e zer o

- ou t modelin g result s in

21 artifac t s wher e th e mode l backgroun d ozon e i s higher

22 tha n observation s

.

23 Ther e ar e

, howeve r

, case s where

24 anthropogeni c emission s i n NAAQ S resul t i n d e pressed

25 ambien t ozon e level s du e t o th e destructio n o f ozon e by25

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 NAAQS

. S o yo u hav e a cas e wher e you r modele d background

2 ozon e i s actuall y highe r tha n you r observe d ozon e

, and

3 it ' s bee n argue d tha t thi s i s a n artifac t o f the

4 zer o

- ou t modelin g

. I n thes e case s

, th e anthropogenic

5 emission s wer e re move d ambien t ozon e du e t o background

6 woul d b e highe r tha n re cen t condition s

. Thi s i s a real

7 featur e o f ozone s highl y no t

- - chemistr y an d i s no t an

8 artifac t o f zer o

- ou t modelin g

. Backgroun d ozon e changes

9 dynamicall y a s i t interact s wit h anthropogeni c precursor

10 emission s

.

11 Sourc e proportionat e modelin g i s usefu l to

12 estimat e th e fractio n o f curren t ozon e du e t o particular

13 source s suc h a s backgroun d

. I ' m almos t don e

. A s an

14 anthropogeni c

- -

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : We ' r e havin g to

16 accep t ( inaudibl e )

- -

17 MS

. DOWNE Y : O h

, oka y

. Oka y

. Background

18 ozon e change s dynamicall y a s i t interact s wit h the

19 anthropogeni c precurso r emission s an d source

20 proportionat e modelin g i s usefu l t o estimat e the

21 ( inaudibl e ) curren t ozon e du e t o particula r source s such

22 a s backgroun d

. Zer o

- ou t modelin g i s usefu l t o estimate

23 ozon e level s i n absenc e o f anthropogeni c emission s

, but

24 thes e ar e tw o fundamentall y differen t quantitie s

. The

25 questio n become s

, ho w doe s on e bes t estimat e th e ris k in26

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- 2449 1 exces s o f backgroun d ozone ?

2 T o estimat e th e ris k i n exces s of

3 backgroun d

, i t i s mos t appropriat e t o us e a zer o

- out

4 modelin g ru n becaus e thi s represent s th e minimu m risk

5 tha t i s achievabl e b y U

. S

. regulator y polic y

. The

6 analysi s summarize d i n th e fractiona l contributio n of

7 backgroun d t o observ e ozon e i s no t a n appropriate

8 analysi s t o estimat e th e fractio n o f ris k du e to

9 backgroun d

. E P A shoul d conduc t mortalit y

, morbidit y

,

10 an d welfar e modelin g usin g a tim e serie s o f background

11 ozon e fro m a zer o

- ou t ru n

. Than k yo u

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. An d yo u ca n give

13 thos e t o fact s t o th e registratio n des k

, w e' l l

- -

14 MS

. DOWNE Y : Oka y

. Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

15 MR

. METZGE R : Goo d mornin g

, m y nam e i s Luke

16 Metzge r

. I ' m th e directo r o f Environmen t Texas

. W e' re

17 a statewid e advocat e fo r clea n ai r

, clea n water

, open

18 space s

. I' m her e toda y t o urg e th e EP A t o hel p protect

19 Texan s ' healt h b y reducin g th e ozon e pollutio n standards

20 t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. Cleanin g u p ou r ai r i s a

21 priorit y fo r Environmen t Texa s

. Ou r thousand s of

22 member s an d activist s aroun d th e stat e ar e threatene d by

23 ozon e pol lutio n

, an d it ' s als o importan t

, personall y

, as

24 a da d

.

25 M y so n

, Gu s

, turn s nin e thi s yea r

, an d a s a27

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 da d

, I wan t t o d o everythin g I ca n t o mak e sur e tha t his

2 healt h i s protecte d

, especiall y whe n h e goe s ou t and

3 play s outsid e

. Unfortunatel y

, tw o o f ou r bigges t cities

4 i n Texas

, Dalla s an d Housto n

, ar e o n th e to p te n worst

5 citie s i n th e countr y fo r smo g pollutio n

. Accordin g to

6 th e America n Lu n g Associatio n

, 2 1 o f ou r 3 0 biggest

7 countie s receive d grade s o f F fo r poo r ai r qualit y

, and

8 m y hometow n o f Austi n routinel y experience s level s of

9 ozon e pollutio n tha t th e curren t scientifi c consensus

10 conclude s i s dangerou s t o ou r communit y

.

11 Inhalin g smo g pollutio n i s lik e gettin g a

12 sunbur n o n you r lung s an d ca n lea d t o immediate

13 breathin g troubl e

. Lon g

- ter m exposur e t o smo g pollution

14 ca n

- - i s linke d t o chroni c asthm a an d lun g respiratory

15 illnesse s

, reproductiv e developmenta l har m

, and

16 pr e matur e deat h

. M y so n

, Gu s

, spend s prett y muc h all

17 summe r lon g outsid e

, s o I' m runnin g aroun d playing

18 socce r an d basebal l an d jus t bein g a ki d

. Bu t according

19 t o a stud y fro m m y alm a mater

, U S C

, kid s tha t spen d

- -

20 i n smogg y citie s

, activ e i n sport s activitie s

, ar e three

21 time s mor e likel y t o develo p asthm a tha n childre n living

22 i n clean e r area s

, an d tha t reall y worrie s m e an d angers

23 m e tha t simpl y goin g outsid e ca n lea d m y so n t o develop

24 a chroni c an d seriou s healt h conditio n

.

25 Ove r hal f a millio n kid s i n Texa s have2 8

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- 2449 1 asthm a

, an d it ' s th e numbe r on e healt h caus e fo r missed

2 schoo l day s

. Thos e ar e actio n day s

. Childre n with

3 as t hm a ar e ofte n force d t o sta y insid e i n orde r t o a void

4 aggravatin g thei r condition s

, an d i t ' s no t jus t kid s and

5 th e elderl y peopl e wit h asthm a wh o ar e effecte d

. Ad d a

6 smogg y da y t o th e

- - o n to p o f th e aggravatio n of

7 ragwee d an d othe r allergen s

, the n yo u hav e a whol e lot

8 o f miserabl e peopl e i n Texa s

. Health y Texan s shoul d not

9 b e coughin g an d wheezin g o n thei r wa y t o wor k becaus e of

10 poo r ai r qualit y

.

11 Th e ris k an d exposur e assessmen t estimates

12 tha t a ne w standar d o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d r e duce

13 ex posur e t o detrimenta l ai r pollutant s b y 9 5 t o a

14 hundre d percen t compare d t o th e curren t standar d

. It ' s

15 th e 2 0 percen t

, s o w e ca n an d shoul d adop t a 6 0 parts

16 pe r billio n standar d

, an d I kno w w e ca n d o i t

. I mea n

,

17 w e hav e

. W e 'v e see n differen t review s

- - pollutio n in

18 Texa s ove r th e las t decad e

, an d w e' v e barel y scratched

19 th e surfac e o f ou r potentia l

. I t woul d no t creat e undue

20 burde n o n Texa s o r othe r state s t o achiev e th e standard

21 becaus e th e technolog y an d th e fund s ar e availabl e

,

22 includin g th e ai r

. W e jus t nee d t o us e the m

.

23 Fo r exampl e

, Texa s powe r plan t s ar e the

24 nationa l leade r i n nitroge n o x id e pollutio n

, but

25 cos t

- effectiv e emissio n control s lik e selective29

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- 2449 1 catalyti c reductio n an d switchin g t o cleane r form s of

2 energ y lik e win d an d sola r powe r ca n reduc e pollutio n

.

3 Texas ' s mai n oi l r efinerie s an d chemica l plant s ar e also

4 majo r sourc e s o f V OC s

. An d m y organizatio n

, Environment

5 Texas

, goe s t o th e Sierr a Clu b t o thre e o f these

6 facilitie s fo r violation s o f th e Clea n Ai r Ac t

, an d our

7 litigatio n ha s prove n tha t thes e companie s can

8 dramaticall y reduc e ai r pollutio n bu t the y 'l l onl y d o so

9 whe n force d t o hav e t o d o s o

. An d unfortunatel y

, the

10 stat e o f Texa s ha s faile d t o mak e tha t happe n

, s o w e' re

11 reall y countin g o n th e E P A t o d o it

.

12 Oi l an d ga s drillin g i s als o a majo r source

13 o f ozon e pollutio n

. A stud y b y researcher s o f the

14 Universit y o f Nort h Texa s foun d tha t

, whil e ozone

15 emission s overal l ar e declinin g

, nea r 1 5, 00 0 activ e oil

16 an d ga s well s her e i n th e DF W are a

, ozon e emission s are

17 in creasin g a t a muc h mor e rapi d rat e tha n area s without

18 oi l an d ga s

. W e ca n als o d o mor e t o produc e pollution

19 fro m mobil e sourc e s

. Texa s ' Drivin g a Clea n Machine

20 progra m help s Texan s repai r o r r e plac e ol d car s that

21 do n ' t mee t emissio n standard s

.

22 I n th e las t decad e

, th e progra m ha s helped

23 t o repai r o r r e plac e abou t 57

, 00 0 car s an d truck s

, but

24 meanwhil e

, anothe r 5 8

, 00 0 eligibl e vehicle s hav e applied

25 fo r no t receive d fundin g tha t coul d hel p clea n u p

. In30

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 additio n

, th e Texa s legislatur e ha s lef t unspen t about

2 $ 87 8, 00 0

, 00 0 collecte d fo r th e Texa s Emissio n Reduction

3 Pla n progra m

. Simpl y spendin g tha t mone y woul d hel p us

4 g o a lon g wa y t o war d achievin g th e 6 0 part s pe r billion

5 standar d

.

6 An d accordin g t o th e EP A

, th e standard

7 woul d annuall y pr e ven t approximatel y 1

. 8 millio n asthma

8 attack s

, 1. 9 millio n misse d schoo l day s

, an d prevent

9 640 0 prematur e death s acros s th e countr y

. An d by

10 cleanin g u p o r coa l plant s

, gettin g ri d o f ol d car s

,

11 strengthenin g ou r clea n ai r program s

, an d switchin g to

12 cleane r energ y an d sola r powe r

, w e ca n giv e m y so n and

13 son s an d daughter s acros s Texa s a bette r sho t a t a

14 healthie r futur e

. Than k yo u

.

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Nei l Ca r ma n an d Sharon

16 Wilso n

.

17 MR

. CARMA N : Nei l Carma n

. I' m th e clean

18 ai r progra m directo r fo r th e Sierr a Clu b chapte r her e in

19 Texas

. W e hav e member s wh o hav e bee n lookin g fo r clean

20 ai r

. We ' r e mostl y base d i n Dalla s

, For t Wort h

,

21 Arlingto n

, Housto n

, Sa n Antoni o

, Austi n

, th e citie s with

22 th e wors t smo g problem s i n th e Stat e o f Texa s

.

23 I hav e a Ph

. D.

, an d I kno w tha t smo g i s not

24 jus t ozon e

. T o dea l wit h i t

, obviousl y

, w e do n ' t go

25 afte r ozone

. W e g o afte r al l th e chemical s whic h are31

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 toxi c i n cit y

, gase s an d particle s i n th e huma n lun g

.

2 So

, I wan te d t o than k th e E P A fo r bein g her e

, holding

3 thi s hearin g

, an d th e Dalla s / For t Wort h Metroplex

4 becaus e thi s i s on e o f th e smo g capital s o f Texa s

, a long

5 wit h th e Housto n

- Galvesto n

- Missour i Are a

.

6 Eac h o f thos e area s ha s abou t 7 million

7 peopl e

, s o tha t ' s a combine d populatio n i n the

8 Dalla s / For t Wort h Metrople x and

9 Housto n

- Galvesto n

- Missour i area s o f ove r 1 4 million

10 peopl e

. Tha t' s ove r 5 0 percen t o f th e Texa s populatio n

,

11 an d thos e larg e urba n area s hav e bee n

, yo u kno w

, trying

12 t o dea l wit h dirt y ai r fo r ove r fou r decade s

. An d even

13 thoug h w e 'v e mad e progres s

, th e lates t medica l science

14 show s tha t th e curren t standar d doe s no t protec t public

15 healt h

.

16 Bu t I d o wan t t o than k E P A fo r th e fact

17 tha t th e Clea n Ai r Ac t i s clearl y workin g

, a s w e see

18 reduction s i n Texa s an d acros s th e natio n an d no t just

19 ozone

, bu t al l th e si x criteri a pollutant s

. S o I think

20 thi s i s ver y significan t tha t

, eve n wit h significant

21 in vestment s i n clea n ai r technolog y

, a s Luk e was

22 mentionin g

, tha t w e se e thes e dramati c decline s across

23 th e countr y

. Bu t still

, w e hav e n ' t gon e fa r enoug h

.

24 Th e ozon e standar d shoul d hav e bee n se t by

25 th e forme r Bus h E P A i n 2 00 8 a t 7 0 part s pe r billio n

, but32

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 i t was n' t

. The y wen t fo r 7 5 part s pe r billio n fo r eight

2 hours

, whic h i s th e curren t standar d

. Bu t w e kno w from

3 thousand s o f medica l studie s i n th e pee r reviewed

4 scientifi c literatur e tha t 7 5 part s pe r billio n doe s not

5 protec t publi c healt h

.

6 A s a lon g distanc e athlet e

, I use d t o run

7 marathon s her e i n th e Dalla s / For t Wort h are a an d around

8 th e countr y an d d o a lo t o f roa d racin g

. I qui t because

9 o f th e fac t tha t m y lung s wer e sufferin g fro m breathing

10 th e dirt y ai r i n place s lik e Dalla s an d eve n i n the

11 wintertim e

, becaus e eve n thoug h ther e wer e n' t ozone

12 excee d limit s a t tha t tim e

, al l o f th e smo g forming

13 chemical s wer e i n th e ai r attackin g m y lun g tissue s in

14 th e thre e hour s tha t I wa s runnin g 2 6. 2 mile s

, an d I

15 hear d th e sam e report s fro m othe r enduranc e athlete s

,

16 cyclist s

, runner s

, an d s o fort h

.

17 S o anywa y

, I thin k w e nee d a stricter

18 standar d dow n t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n pe r eigh t hours

19 wit h a n adequat e margi n o f safet y t o protec t the

20 sensitiv e

, ou r childre n

, th e elderl y

, thos e wit h lung

21 diseas e

, becaus e I hea r fro m a n u mbe r o f mo m s i n the

22 Dalla s are a

, Housto n

, Austi n

, tha t o n hig h ozon e day s

,

23 i t ma y b e

- - th e ai r ma y b e to o dirt y fo r thei r children

24 t o b e abl e t o pla y outsid e withou t havin g t o ge t their

25 asthm a inhaler s ou t

. An d thes e medication s tha t these33

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 childre n hav e t o tak e ca n b e ver y damagin g

.

2 Som e o f the m contai n hormone s tha t can

3 actuall y reduc e th e chil d' s growt h

, an d s o som e o f these

4 kid s actuall y win d u p wit h somewha t stunte d growt h in

5 orde r fo r the m t o b e abl e t o breath e o n ba d ai r day s

.

6 So

, th e E P A need s t o adop t a muc h stricte r standard

7 becaus e th e benefi t o f clea n ai r clearl y outweigh s the

8 cost s b y a larg e facto r

, an d eve n thoug h industr y likes

9 t o complai n tha t i t' s goin g t o cos t s o muc h mone y

, once

10 w e achiev e c leane r ai r

, the y bra g abou t ho w wel l i t has

11 worke d

. So

, than k yo u ver y muc h

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

, Nei l

. Sharo n

.

13 MS

. WILSO N : I ' m Sharo n Wilso n

, organizer

14 wit h Eart hwork s ' Oi l an d Ga s Accountabilit y Projec t

.

15 Than k yo u fo r thi s opportunit y t o spea k wit h yo u today

16 abou t th e pr opose d change s i n th e ozon e standard s

.

17 Earthwork s ' Oi l an d Ga s Accountabilit y Projec t i s a

18 no n profi t organizatio n dedicate d t o helpin g peopl e who

19 ar e sufferin g throug h i m pact s o f energ y e x tractio n

. Our

20 member s ofte n liv e withi n a fe w hundre d fee t o f drilling

21 operation s an d infrastructur e

. I a m a certifie d optical

22 ga s imagin g thermographe r

, an d I hav e bee n usin g a GF 3 20

23 camer a t o documen t

- - i t ' s no t workin g

- - t o document

24 volatil e organi c compound s an d emission s fro m oi l and

25 ga s facilitie s i n severa l stat es

.34

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 Groun d leve l ozon e i s mad e whe n V OC s and

2 nitroge n ox ide s combin e i n sunligh t

. I n th e Sa n Juan

3 Basi n wher e a Delawar e

- size d methan e clou d ca n b e seen

4 fro m spac e

, ever y facilit y I visite d wit h th e FLIR

5 camer a wa s ventin g an d/ o r leakin g V O Cs

. I n Colorad o

,

6 th e releas e yo u se e her e wa s fro m a ( inaudibl e ) facility

7 adjacen t t o Northridg e Hig h Schoo l i n Greele y

.

8 Th e emission s ar e fro m a n ope n storag e tank

9 hatc h whil e a n oi l truc k wa s bein g fille d

. The

10 operato r ' s explanatio n ? Tha t ' s par t o f th e industr y

.

11 Fo r tha t 2 0 t o 3 0 minute s i t take s t o loa d a truck

, the

12 hatc h i s ope n

. Th e stat e regulator y agenc y sai d this

13 fall s int o th e allowabl e activit y categor y

. Ho w often

14 durin g th e da y an d fro m ho w man y facilitie s doe s this

15 allowabl e activit y occu r ?

16 Ne w researc h fro m th e Universit y o f North

17 Texa s foun d lon g

- ter m negativ e effect s o f oi l an d gas

18 productio n activitie s o n loca l an d regiona l ozone

19 pollutio n

. Th e stud y als o foun d tha t ozon e distribution

20 ha s bee n disproportionatel y change d an d appear s t o be

21 linke d wit h Barnet t Shal e productio n activitie s an d the

22 ozon e level s produce d i n th e of f seaso n ar e i ncreasin g

.

23 Thi s researc h wil l b e presente d late r toda y

.

24 Investigation s i n th e Eagl e For d Shale

,

25 includin g ove r tw o year s o f FLI R video s

, sho w these35

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 emission s ar e significan t an d ongoin g

. Las t yea r

, on

2 Marc h 6t h an d 7 th

, I videoe d a significan t releas e at

3 th e Maratho n Eas t Sugar l oa f Eagl e For d Shal e collection

4 facilit y i n Karne s Count y

. Thi s facilit y ha s bee n a

5 chroni c offende r an d th e sourc e o f man y health

6 complaint s fro m resident s wh o liv e nearb y

.

7 Bot h day s

, I calle d th e Texa s Commissio n on

8 Environmenta l Qualit y an d expresse d concer n abou t the

9 magnitud e o f thi s event

. Th e Sa n Antoni o regio n air

10 sectio n refuse d t o conduc t a n investigatio n o f the

11 releas e

, sayin g th e agenc y i s no t require d to

12 investigat e a complain t fro m a no nresiden t

.

13 Howeve r

, ( inaudibl e )

, a chemis t and

14 professo r a t Texa s A & M wh o ca n fingerprin t hydrocarbons

15 tha t sho w u p o n th e TCE Q ai r monitor s

, contacte d me

16 abou t th e video s

, becaus e h e identifie d a hydrocarbon

17 spik e o n Marc h 6t h an d 7 t h o n th e T C E Q ai r monito r in

18 Florencevill e

, Texas

, whic h i s 2 0 mile s downwin d from

19 th e facilit y

.

20 Thi s put s Sa n Antoni o easil y withi n the

21 rang e fo r i m pact s fro m Eagl e For d Shal e produc t io n

, and

22 w e kno w tha t Sa n Antoni o alread y ha s ozon e containment

23 issue s

. Emission s hav e bee n ongoin g throug h th e Barnett

24 Shale

. Thi s i s th e reaso n tha t afte r fiv e year s of

25 tryin g t o ge t hel p fro m th e Stat e wit h n o succes s

,36

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 Dento n resident s fel t force d t o ba n frackin g t o protect

2 thei r familie s ' healt h

.

3 A s thes e example s sho w

, w e nee d a n ozone

4 standar d t o protec t publi c healt h tha t i s base d on

5 scienc e an d no t influence d b y politica l pressur e

. EP A ' s

6 ow n scienc e say s publi c healt h wil l b e greatl y i m proved

7 b y a 6 0 part s pe r billio n ozon e standar d

. M y experience

8 wit h th e infrare d video s ha s show n m e tha t state s are

9 no t protectin g ou r healt h whe n i t come s t o air

10 emission s

.

11 I t i s clea r tha t accurat e gaugin g o f actual

12 emission s fro m

- - o f methan e an d VO C s fro m these

13 facilitie s i s neede d

. W e ar e dependin g o n yo u to

14 protec t publi c healt h full y b y mandatin g an d en forcin g a

15 6 0 part s pe r billio n ozon e standar d

. An d I' v e pu t about

16 6 0 video s an d muc h mor e informatio n o n a U S B tha t was

17 submitte d

. Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Nex t

,

19 we ' d lik e t o cal l Trish a Sheeha n an d Wend y Bredhol d

.

20 MS

. SHEEHA N : Goo d mornin g

, everyon e

. My

21 nam e i s Trish a Sheeha n

, an d I ' m th e northeas t regional

22 ( inaudibl e ) manage r wit h Mom s Clea n Ai r Forc e

. W e are

23 a n organizatio n o f ove r 41 0

, 00 0 member s nationwid e

,

24 unite d t o figh t t o protec t th e ai r tha t childre n breat h

.

25 I appreciat e th e opportunit y t o spea k wit h yo u toda y

.37

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 I com e t o yo u no t onl y a s a representative

2 o f a n organizatio n tha t i s unite d t o figh t t o protect

3 ou r childre n ' s healt h

, bu t als o a s a concerne d mothe r

, a

4 mothe r wh o ha s watche d he r oldes t so n gas p fo r air

5 ( inaudibl e )

. I 'v e watche d hi m strugglin g t o breath e

.

6 Whe n h e wa s on e

, I sa t nex t t o hi m i n a hospita l be d

,

7 jus t prio r t o ( inaudibl e )

, wit h doctor s hoverin g over

8 hi m

, waitin g fo r hi s bloo d oxyge n level s t o i mprov e from

9 th e curren t rat e o f 7 0 percen t a t whic h w e entere d the

10 hospita l

.

11 I kno w th e fea r tha t come s ove r the

12 million s o f mother s wh o ar e u n fortunat e enoug h to

13 witnes s thei r chil d struggl e t o tak e a breat h

. Ground

14 leve l ozon e pollutio n

, commonl y referre d t o a s smo g

,

15 trigger s hundred s o f thousand s o f episode s o f asthm a and

16 othe r respirator y ailment s eac h yea r

. Smo g interferes

17 wit h lun g developmen t an d ca n caus e bronchiti s and

18 pneumoni a

. I t send s thousand s o f childre n lik e min e to

19 th e emergenc y roo m an d cost s American s billion s in

20 healt h car e costs

, los t productivit y

, an d pr e mature

21 death s

.

22 Luckil y

, fo r u s

, ove r th e pas t fe w year s

,

23 w e wer e abl e t o kee p m y so n ' s breathin g issue s under

24 contro l du e t o advance s i n medicin e an d a fe w dietary

25 change s

. Ironicall y

, howeve r

, a t aroun d th e sam e time38

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 tha t I wa s tol d I woul d b e goin g t o Texa s t o testif y to

2 yo u al l

, I a m r e minde d o f wh y I a m fightin g fo r clean

3 ai r

. Withi n th e pas t tw o week s

, m y no w eigh t

- yea r

- old

4 ha s bee n strugglin g t o breath e agai n

. An d those

5 emotion s o f watchin g yo u chil d struggl e t o catc h his

6 breat h was h ove r yo u

, an d yo u realiz e th e fea r o f him

7 no t bein g abl e t o breath e ar e neve r fa r a wa y

.

8 I liv e i n Glouceste r Count y

, Ne w Jerse y

,

9 jus t outsid e o f th e Philadelphi a are a

. Gloucester

10 Count y ha d th e mos t smo g aler t day s i n 20 0 2 i n New

11 Jerse y

, an d i n 20 1 4

, receive d a n F grad e fro m the

12 America n Lun g Associatio n fo r ozon e pollutio n

. I n fac t

,

13 al l bu t on e count y i n m y stat e receive d a n F

. Th e other

14 on e count y wa s Merce r

, an d i t receive d a D

.

15 Ou r ( inaudibl e ) count y

, Camde n Count y

, has

16 th e secon d highes t cance r rat e du e t o airborn e car

17 emission s tha n anywher e i n Ne w Jerse y

. ( Inaudibl e )

,

18 severa l time s abou t th e federa l healt h standar d

, which

19 woul d resul t i n a n additiona l 1, 1 0 0 Camde n County

20 resident s developin g cance r i f e x pose d t o th e current

21 level s i n thei r lifetim e

. I t was n' t suppose d t o b e this

22 wa y

.

23 Whe n Congres s adopte d th e Federa l Clea n Air

24 Ac t i n 197 0

, i t establishe d a goa l o f settin g and

25 achiev i n g ai r qualit y standard s protectiv e o f human39

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 healt h b y 1 9 75

. Nearl y thre e decade s late r

, th e New

2 Jerse y ai r stil l frequentl y fail s t o mee t establis h ed

3 smo g standard s

. Ever y yea r

, ai r pollutio n i n Ne w Jersey

4 cause s mor e tha n a n estimate d 78 0 0 ( inaudibl e ) emissions

5 fo r respirator y an d cardi o vascula r diseas e

. 1, 00 0 new

6 case s o f chroni c diseas e

, suc h a s asthm a and

7 ( inaudibl e )

, 40 0, 00 0 asthm a attack s an d roughl y 1

8 millio n misse d schoo l day s an d workday s

.

9 W e mus t se t ( inaudibl e ) fo r pollutant s to

10 protec t th e healt h o f ou r citizen s

, especiall y our

11 childre n

. Decade s o f scientist s ' researc h link s ozone

12 t o asthm a attack s

, bronchiti s

, hear t attack s

, and

13 prematur e deat h

. Elevate d ozon e level s ca n mak e it

14 harde r fo r eve n health y peopl e t o breath e

. Th e EPA

15 shoul d follo w th e scienc e

. Th e scientifi c record s show

16 u s tha t settin g th e allowabl e leve l o f smo g a t 6 0 parts

17 pe r billio n woul d provid e th e ( inaudibl e ) protections

18 fo r America n familie s

. Th e ne w standar d woul d reduce

19 illnesse s an d hospita l visit s

. I t woul d improv e air

20 qualit y an d reduc e healt h issue s fo r Ne w Jersey

21 resident s i n urba n area s

, suc h a s th e are a wher e I live

22 wit h m y famil y

.

23 Mom s aroun d th e countr y applau d th e EP A for

24 givin g u s protectio n

, bu t le t ' s mak e sur e tha t w e are

25 protectin g eve n th e mos t vulnerabl e population s

, like40

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 ou r childre n an d th e elderl y

. Thi s mo m i s urgin g yo u to

2 protec t you r so n' s healt h an d th e righ t t o breath e

.

3 Than k yo u

.

4 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

5 MS

. BREDHOL D : Hello

. M y nam e i s Wendy

6 Bre d hol d

, an d I ' m Indian a fiel d organize r fo r Mom s Clean

7 Ai r Forc e

. I hav e a three

- an d

- a

- hal f

- yea r

- ol d daughte r

,

8 Beatric e Ros e

, an d w e liv e i n Evansvill e

, Indian a

, which

9 i s i n th e southwes t corne r o f th e stat e withi n 6 2 miles

10 o f 1 7 coa l

- fire d powe r plant s

, includin g som e o f the

11 bigges t an d dirties t i n Nort h Americ a

.

12 Th e smok e stack s o f on e coa l plan t are

13 actuall y visibl e fro m th e daycar e cente r o n th e campus

14 wher e I wor k an d wher e sh e spend s he r day s

. Base d on

15 th e curren t ozon e standar d o f 7 5 part s pe r billio n

, my

16 count y ozon e repor t car d fro m th e America n Lung

17 Associatio n actuall y worsene d fro m 2 01 3 t o 2 0 1 4 fro m a D

18 t o a n F

, bu t I kno w tha t th e curren t standar d is n' t as

19 protectiv e a s i t shoul d be

. S o

, eve n o n day s whe n we ' re

20 tol d th e ai r i s onl y moderatel y pollute d

, mos t day s

, I

21 do n ' t fee l confiden t i n th e Ai r Qualit y Inde x

.

22 I urg e yo u t o se t th e r e vise d standar d at

23 6 0 part s pe r billio n an d protec t childre n wh o liv e i n my

24 communit y

. M y daughte r doesn ' t hav e asthm a

, knoc k woo d

,

25 an d I hop e sh e wo n ' t develo p i t

, bu t th e poo r air41

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 qualit y i n ou r are a i s affectin g he r healt h

. A s she

2 approache s he r fourt h birthda y

, ho w man y day s ha s she

3 playe d outsid e

, breathin g ai r tha t put s he r healt h at

4 ris k becaus e curren t rule s are n' t stron g enoug h

.

5 I' m her e o n m y daughte r ' s behal f an d also

6 o n be hal f o f familie s i n m y communit y wh o canno t be

7 her e

. M y frien d

, Lor i

, a teache r

, an d he r so n Ma x both

8 hav e asthm a

. Lor i ca n tel l whe n th e ai r qualit y i s poor

9 becaus e sh e feel s tightnes s i n he r lung s

. Sh e sai d

,

10 quote

, whe n thi s happen s

, I i n creas e ou r maintenance

11 med s t o doubl e strengt h t o hel p d e creas e inflammation

12 an d a voi d asthm a attack s

. Th e cos t o f thes e inhaler s is

13 $ 30 0 pe r inhale r

, monthl y

, an d ou r insuranc e doesn ' t pay

14 fo r i t

. Luckil y

, I ca n ge t sample s fro m th e doctors

15 sometime s

.

16 I n additio n

, th e rescu e inhaler s cos t $ 60

17 pe r inhale r

. O n smogg y day s

, Lor i say s sh e an d Max

18 a voi d goin g outsid e excep t t o rus h t o th e ca r t o g o to

19 schoo l an d t o wor k

. It ' s wort h addin g

, fo r your

20 informatio n

, tha t th e A Q I i s no t wel l communicate d

, at

21 leas t no t i n m y communit y

. Lor i sai d

, man y time s

, w e do

22 no t receiv e alert s unti l afte r th e ai r qualit y has

23 becom e hazardou s

, an d thes e com e t o m y e

- mai l only

24 becaus e I 'v e signe d u p fo r th e alert s

.

25 Mos t peopl e i n th e communit y ar e no t a ware42

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 whe n ther e' s a n aler t

, becaus e i t ' s no t widely

2 announce d

. An d I ca n confir m tha t' s tru e

. I n th e pas t

,

3 I hav e ha d t o infor m th e childre n ' s school s an d daycares

4 abou t keepin g the m insid e durin g ai r qualit y alert s

, and

5 a s a teache r

, i t ha s saddene d m e t o hav e t o kee p our

6 student s insid e durin g ai r qualit y alert s o n otherwise

7 beautifu l day s

.

8 An d I ca n sympathiz e wit h Lor i o n tha t

. I

9 worr y tha t Beatric e ' s daycar e cente r i s no t a war e o f the

10 AQ I

, an d i n th e pas t

, I ' v e see n childre n playin g outside

11 o n day s whe n i t ' s un health y fo r sensitiv e group s to

12 breath e th e ai r

.

13 Anothe r frien d

, Nicol e

, ha s a

14 si x

- an d

- a

- hal f

- yea r

- ol d daughte r

, Roxi e

. Sh e has

15 suffere d wit h asthm a sinc e sh e wa s si x month s ol d

.

16 Nicol e sai d

, lik e man y kid s wit h chroni c asthm a

, Roxie

17 canno t g o outsid e wit h th e othe r kid s a t schoo l o n many

18 day s du e t o ai r pollutio n

. Sh e' s bee n i n an d ou t o f the

19 hospita l almos t ever y yea r

. Th e medica l bill s ar e an

20 averag e o f $ 2, 5 0 0 t o $3

, 00 0 ou t o f pocke t for

21 medicatio n

, ex tende d hospitalizatio n

, docto r an d E R

22 visit s

.

23 I t break s m y hear t tha t m y child ' s

24 wel lbein g depend s o n a combinatio n cocktai l o f Singulair

25 an d Zyrte c

, breathin g treatment s

, an d a n inhale r jus t to43

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 fee l norma l

.

2 So

, becaus e I hav e onl y fiv e minute s

, I can

3 onl y relat e th e storie s o f a coupl e o f familie s within

4 m y circl e o f friend s

, bu t I as k yo u t o kee p these

5 childre n i n min d whe n reviewin g th e ozon e standar d

.

6 Reducin g level s o f smo g t o 6 0 pp b woul d preven t roughly

7 1. 8 millio n asthma s attack s

, 1

. 9 misse d schoo l day s

, and

8 6, 4 0 0 pr e matur e death s eac h yea r an d woul d hav e a major

9 positiv e im pac t o n th e healt h o f m y communit y and

10 childre n lik e Roxi e

, Ma x

, an d Beatric e i n a heavily

11 pollute d corne r o f Indian a

. Than k yo u

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Nex t u p i s Fran k O ' Donnell

13 an d Lin d sa y Pac e

.

14 MS

. RAUC H : Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e' s Molly

15 Rauch

. I ' m wit h Mo m s Clea n Ai r Forc e

, a communit y of

16 parent s fightin g fo r clea n ai r

. O n be hal f o f over

17 40 0

, 00 0 member s fro m acros s th e countr y

, I wan t t o thank

18 yo u fo r th e opportunit y t o testif y toda y

.

19 I' m her e a s a publi c healt h e x per t t o talk

20 abou t th e healt h effect s o f smo g an d t o respectfully

21 urg e yo u t o se t th e smo g standar d a t 6 0 part s per

22 billio n

, whic h i s mor e stringen t tha n th e standar d you

23 pr o pose d i n Novembe r

. Th e scientifi c record

24 demonstrate s tha t thi s leve l woul d provid e th e strongest

25 publi c healt h protection s fo r American s

.44

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 I wan t t o tel l a somewha t persona l stor y as

2 a wa y o f explainin g wh y parent s nee d a mor e stringent

3 standar d

. I ' m a mothe r o f thre e schoo l

- ag e childre n

,

4 an d I liv e i n Washingto n

, D .C

. , a n are a o f th e country

5 wit h increasingl y hig h level s o f smo g

. Severa l years

6 ag o

, whe n m y childre n wer e stil l quit e young

, I

7 develope d asthm a

- lik e symptom s tha t bothere d m e i n the

8 summe r

. I soo n realize d tha t breathin g smo g o n ho t

,

9 humi d day s likel y triggere d th e coughin g

, wheezin g

,

10 ches t tightnes s

, an d ches t pai n tha t I sometime s fel t

.

11 I was n ' t diagnose d wit h asthm a

, bu t I did

12 receiv e a prescriptio n fo r a n inhale r

, an d I wa s told

13 tha t I wa s no w considere d amon g th e vulnerabl e

. What

14 di d tha t mea n ? I t mean t tha t I shoul d tak e pr e cautions

15 o n day s wit h hig h ai r pollutio n becaus e thos e day s could

16 trigge r th e ver y u ncomfortabl e symptom s tha t I' d started

17 t o hav e

. M y lung s wer e sensitiv e

, an d th e wa y to

18 protec t mysel f a s a vulnerabl e perso n wa s t o pay

19 attentio n t o th e Ai r Qualit y Inde x

. An d s o o n the

20 suggestio n o f m y docto r

, I di d

, an d I stil l d o

.

21 I mak e sur e t o a voi d prolonge d outdoo r time

22 o n h ig h ozon e day s

. Becaus e I do n' t wan t m y childre n ' s

23 lung s ( inaudibl e ) b y smo g eithe r

, I als o d o th e sam e for

24 the m

, makin g sur e tha t the y g o t o th e librar y instea d of

25 th e playgroun d whe n th e AQ I hit s orang e

. Th e A Q I i s a45

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 too l I ca n us e a s a paren t t o tr y t o kee p m y kid s and

2 mysel f saf e

.

3 Th e proble m i s tha t th e AQ I i s a function

4 o f th e NAAQ S

. I t represent s th e healt h determination

5 implici t i n th e E P A standar d

. I f th e E P A standar d is

6 to o la x

, th e A Q I does n' t hel p parent s

. Parent s nee d a

7 NAAQ S tha t tell s u s th e truth

. Throug h th e A QI

, w e rely

8 o n th e NAAQ S t o mak e determination s abou t ho w t o care

9 fo r ou r childre n

. W e us e i t t o kee p ou r babie s saf e

.

10 I f th e smo g standar d i s to o la x

, th e air

11 qualit y syste m ca n tel l us

, u n truthfull y

, tha t i t' s safe

12 t o sen d ou r kid s outsid e t o pla y

, eve n whe n i t' s no t

.

13 W e deserv e t o kno w th e trut h abou t whethe r th e ai r is

14 saf e t o breath e

. Smo g a t level s be lo w 6 5 part s per

15 billio n ca n har m som e o f th e mos t vulnerabl e amon g us

,

16 potentiall y peopl e lik e m e an d m y childre n

. Tha t' s what

17 th e independen t Clea n Ai r Scientifi c Advisor y Committee

18 sai d t o you r agenc y

- - excus e m e

- - Clea n Ai r Scientific

19 Advisor y Committe e sai d t o you r Agenc y base d o n their

20 thoroug h an d e x per t revie w o f th e scienc e

.

21 Ou r nationa l standar d need s t o ref l ec t that

22 determinatio n

. Parent s hav e a righ t t o kno w th e trut h

.

23 W e kno w tha t breathin g smo g trigger s asthm a attack s

,

24 interfere s wit h lun g developmen t

, increase s lung

25 infectio n

, i n crease s hospita l visit s

, an d i s associated46

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 wit h pr e matur e deat h fro m cardiovascula r an d respiratory

2 cause s

.

3 Breathin g smo g get s i n th e wa y o f little

4 lung s developin g properl y

. I t exacerbate s th e national

5 childhoo d asthm a epidemi c

, an d i t cause s ou r elders

6 pai n

, sufferin g

, an d eve n deat h

. Th e scienc e i s clear

7 o n thi s issu e

. Stud y afte r stud y ha s show n appreciable

8 healt h i m pact s o f breathin g smo g a t level s currently

9 commo n i n citie s lik e Dalla s

, Housto n

, La s Vega s

,

10 Phoeni x

, La s Vega s

, Ne w Yor k

, St

. Loui s

, Tuls a

, an d I

11 coul d g o on

.

12 Righ t no w

, E P A ha s th e opportunit y to

13 protec t million s o f American s fro m dirt y ai r and

14 un necessar y illnes s

. Accordin g t o E PA ' s analysi s

,

15 strengthenin g th e smo g standar d t o th e mor e stringen t 60

16 part s pe r billio n woul d confe r profoun d healt h benefits

17 t o American s

. A t thi s leve l o f protectio n

, thousand s of

18 fewe r death s

, ove r a millio n fewe r asthm a attack s in

19 childre n

, an d ove r 9 millio n fewe r restricte d activity

20 day s o r los t schoo l day s eac h yea r

.

21 Th e monetize d benefit s o f thi s leve l of

22 protectio n i n 2 02 5 woul d b e upward s o f $3 7

, 00 0, 00 0

, 00 0

.

23 Profoun d statemen t

, a s wel l a s profoun d healt h benefit s

.

24 Th e cas e I' v e recommende d a standar d i n th e rang e o f 6 0

25 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n

. Th e cas e cite d wa s clea r that47

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 a standar d o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d offe r more

2 publi c healt h protectio n tha n a standar d o f 6 5 o r 7 0

.

3 EP A shoul d follo w th e scienc e

.

4 Th e scientifi c recor d show s tha t setting

5 th e allowabl e leve l o f smo g a t 6 0 woul d provid e the

6 stronges t publi c healt h protectio n fo r American

7 familie s

. Ne w stronge r standard s fo r smo g wil l help

8 million s o f American s wit h asthm a an d othe r respiratory

9 ailment s lik e mysel f breath e easie r

. Than k yo u

.

10 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

11 MR

. O ' DONNEL L : H i

. I' m Fran k O ' Donnel l

.

12 I' m presiden t o f Clea n Ai r Watch

, a nationa l no n profit

13 organizatio n dedicate d t o pr o motin g cleane r ai r and

14 bette r publi c healt h

, chiefl y throug h educatio n

. Thank

15 yo u fo r yo u r proposa l an d fo r allowin g m e t o spea k here

16 toda y an d fo r you r patienc e thi s mornin g

, becaus e I know

17 it ' s a lon g da y fo r yo u

.

18 A s yo u kno w

, ai r qualit y standard s suc h as

19 th e on e fo r ozon e ar e th e hear t an d th e lung s o f the

20 Clea n Ai r Ac t

. Thes e standard s hav e helpe d bring

21 cleane r ai r t o nort h Texa s an d throughou t th e countr y

.

22 Bu t cleane r i s no t th e sam e a s clea n

. I' m her e to

23 re min d yo u tha t th e curren t smo g standard s ar e to o weak

24 t o protec t ou r healt h

. The y ar e to o wea k t o protect

25 childre n

, to o wea k t o protec t senior s

, to o wea k to48

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 protec t th e vulnerabl e

, includin g million s an d millions

2 wit h asthm a

, an d yo u ' r e hearin g a lo t o f ver y telling

3 storie s thi s mornin g tha t illustrat e tha t ver y poin t

.

4 An d I als o wan t t o r e min d yo u o f th e vital

5 importanc e o f alertin g th e breathin g publi c whe n the

6 outdoo r ai r i s dangerou s

. Today

, th e s o

- calle d Air

7 Qualit y Inde x a mount s t o fals e advertisin g

. I t i s based

8 o n a n outmode d standar d

. Th e healt h standar d fo r ozone

9 mus t b e update d

, an d s o mus t th e relate d warnin g syste m

.

10 Th e breathin g publi c shoul d hav e th e righ t t o kno w if

11 th e ai r i s trul y fi t t o breath e

.

12 I hop e yo u' l l bas e you r decisio n o n medical

13 scienc e

, no t politica l scienc e

. I f yo u 'v e go t a medical

14 issue

, wher e d o yo u g o

, t o a docto r o r t o a n oi l company

15 lobbyis t ? Base d o n medica l scienc e

, ther e ' s n o doubt

16 tha t th e curren t standar d i s to o wea k

. You r own

17 independen t scienc e advisor s hav e forcefull y recommended

18 toughe r standard s

. No t onl y tha t

, you r advisor s have

19 declare d i n writin g tha t th e uppe r standard s o f the

20 rang e o f you r proposa l

, 7 0 part s pe r billio n

, ma y b e

- -

21 an d I underscor e

, " ma y b e "

- - illega l becaus e i t ma y not

22 protec t publi c healt h wit h a n adequat e marginal

23 statemen t

.

24 T o quot e thos e scienc e advisor s

, ou r policy

25 advic e i s t o se t th e leve l o f th e standar d lowe r than49

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 7 0 part s pe r billio n withi n a rang e dow n t o 6 0 pp b

.

2 Clea n Ai r Watc h e n courage s yo u t o hee d tha t advic e and

3 se t a standar d o f 60

. Th e leve l endorse d b y major

4 healt h an d medica l group s

, suc h a s th e America n Lung

5 Associatio n an d th e America n s fo r Asthm a Societ y

.

6 You r ow n analyse s sho w tha t a standar d of

7 6 0 woul d provid e th e bes t leve l o f publi c health

8 protectio n

. No w

, i t seem s lik e onl y yesterda y

, I was

9 leadof f witnes s i n a simila r hearin g o n thi s ver y topi c

.

10 A t tha t tim e

, i t wa s i n Atlant a

, urgin g th e E P A to

11 updat e it s smo g standard s t o reflec t th e advic e o f its

12 independen t scienc e advisor s an d giv e u s th e righ t to

13 kno w i f th e outdoo r ai r i s dangerou s

, tha t w e hav e a

14 proble m wit h dirt y ai r

.

15 Tha t wa s eigh t lon g year s ag o

, before

16 politic s intervene d an d the n intervene d agai n

. A t long

17 las t

, yo u hav e a chanc e t o correc t thos e mi s take s an d do

18 i t righ t thi s tim e

. Trus t me

, yo u wo n ' t hav e an

19 opportunit y lik e thi s agai n an y tim e soo n

. No w

, w e know

20 th e na y sayer s an d thei r politica l cronie s an d their

21 pseud o

- thin k tan k allie s wil l com e ou t i n forc e and

22 pr o clai m cleane r ai r cost s to o muc h

. Fo r the m

, th e sky

23 i s alway s fallin g

. Th e iron y is

, som e o f thes e very

24 folk s wh o ar e sayin g

, wel l

, th e curren t standar d i s just

25 ducky

, fough t bitterl y agains t i t

, no t tha t man y years50

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 ag o

.

2 So

, I wan t t o poin t ou t

, histor y ha s proven

3 th e na y sayer s wron g tim e an d tim e agai n whe n i t com e s to

4 thi s issu e

. A s m y colleagu e fro m America n Lun g pointed

5 ou t

, th e sk y wo n' t fal l i f yo u se t toughe r standard s

.

6 I t wil l onl y ge t cleare r an d cleane r

. Than k yo u again

7 fo r you r tim e

.

8 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

9 up

, w e hav e Lin d sa y Pac e an d Elen a Craf t

.

10 MS

. PAC E : Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e is

11 Lindsa y Mega n Pac e

, an d I' m a Tennesse e fiel d organizer

12 fo r Mom s Clea n Ai r Forc e i n m y stat e

. I represen t over

13 6, 00 0 member s an d thei r familie s fro m th e great

14 Voluntee r Stat e

. We ' r e a communit y o f parent s tha t are

15 unifie d i n th e knowledg e tha t ai r pollutio n i s affecting

16 no t onl y ou r childre n ' s healt h bu t als o thei r future s

.

17 I stan d her e toda y a s a mo m

, a former

18 teache r

, an d a lon g tim e advocat e fo r ou r youngest

19 citizen s

. I a m speakin g o n b e hal f o f thei r collective

20 voice s

, fo r ou r childre n ar e th e one s wh o bea r th e brunt

21 o f avoidabl e ai r toxin s lik e smo g

. M y famil y live s in

22 Chattanoog a

, a cit y tha t i s stee p e d i n th e histor y of

23 industria l pollutio n

.

24 I n 19 6 9

, th e E P A state d tha t Chattanooga

25 wa s th e mos t pollute d cit y i n Americ a

. Th e citizens51

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 wer e e xpose d t o hig h level s o f particulat e matte r and

2 smo g du e t o un regulate d emission s fro m industr y

, coke

3 foundrie s

, an d railroad s

. Th e topograph y o f Chattanooga

4 compound s thes e proble m becaus e i t become s trappe d in

5 ou r valle y

.

6 Throug h m y wor k

, I ha d th e opportunit y to

7 liste n t o th e storie s o f Chattanoogan s wh o gre w u p in

8 th e ag e o f u nr e stricte d ai r pollutio n

. Whil e eac h story

9 i s uniqu e

, thei r sentimen t i s alway s th e sam e

. They

10 literall y sa w thei r cit y transforme d throug h aggressive

11 cit y legislatio n

, couple d wit h th e Clea n Ai r Ac t

.

12 Sometime s

, I a m questione d a s t o wh y we

13 nee d stronge r ozon e standard s

. Thes e peopl e believe

14 tha t becaus e yo u ca n ' t se e smo g tha t yo u use d t o in

15 Chattanoog a

, i t mus t no t b e ther e

, o r wors e

, tha t it

16 is n ' t affectin g ou r healt h

. An d whil e I agre e that

17 Chattanoog a ha s com e a lon g wa y t o toda y' s ai r quality

18 standard s

, I respectfull y disagre e tha t w e shoul d stop

19 a t mediocr e

. Ou r childre n deserv e s o muc h bette r than

20 mediocr e

.

21 Th e scienc e i s un equivoca l tha t smo g i s bad

22 fo r huma n healt h

. I t ' s prove n smo g create s a hos t of

23 lun g an d cardia c issue s

. I t cut s live s shor t

, an d it ' s

24 a lun g irritan t

. Childre n ar e especiall y vulnerable

25 becaus e thei r bodie s ar e stil l developin g

, the y breathe52

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 mor e rapidl y

, an d the y ar e mor e likel y t o b e playing

2 outsid e durin g hig h aler t day s

.

3 Ozon e i s a powerfu l asthm a trigge r

. Each

4 yea r

, thousand s o f childre n ar e sen t t o th e emergency

5 roo m becaus e o f smo g

- induce d asthm a attack s

. Growin g up

6 wit h a younge r brothe r wh o suffere d s o severel y from

7 asthm a

, I ca n recal l to o man y occasion s shroude d with

8 worr y an d fea r ove r hi s in abilit y t o perfor m th e most

9 basi c o f huma n function s

, breathin g

.

10 I n 20 1 4

, th e Asthm a an d Allerg y Foundation

11 o f Americ a respectfull y rate d Memphi s an d Chattanooga

12 th e secon d an d sixt h wors t metr o citie s fo r asthm a in

13 thi s countr y

. An d no t shockingl y

, bot h thes e cities

14 ofte n receiv e failin g ozon e grade s fro m th e American

15 Lun g Associatio n

. A s a mo m

, thi s informatio n alarm s m e

.

16 I' m her e toda y i n th e wor k tha t I do

17 becaus e whe n m y daughte r wa s bor n

, I realize d livin g my

18 lif e a s ( inaudibl e ) a s possibl e wa s n o longe r enoug h

. I

19 realize d tha t I coul d n' t g o ou t an d bu y he r clea n ai r to

20 breath e

. Righ t no w

, yo u hav e th e opportunit y t o giv e my

21 daughte r an d al l o f ou r childre n cleane r ai r t o breath e

.

22 I a m urgin g yo u t o se t th e ozon e standar d a t 6 0 parts

23 pe r billio n instea d o f th e 6 5 t o 7 0 yo u pr opose d in

24 Novembe r

.

25 Th e scientifi c recor d demonstrate s that53

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 thi s leve l wil l provid e th e stronges t publi c health

2 protection s fo r American s an d

, mos t importantl y

, fo r our

3 childre n

. Than k yo u s o muc h fo r thi s opportunit y

.

4 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

5 MS

. OLDHA M : Hell o

. M y nam e i s Melanie

6 Oldha m

, O

- L

- D

- H

- A

- M

. Goo d mornin g

. I appreciat e the

7 Dalla s an d U .S

. E P A comin g her e t o liste n an d t o ac t

,

8 protec t ou r publi c healt h

, especiall y o f ou r childre n

,

9 elderl y

, an d peopl e wit h respirator y problem s

. Again

,

10 m y nam e i s Melani e Oldha m fro m Freepor t

, Texa s

, 4 5 miles

11 sout h o f Housto n

. Tha t i s Freepor t wit h a n F

. The

12 America n Lun g Associatio n ha s give n Missour i Count y and

13 Freepor t a n F fo r ozon e th e las t severa l year s

.

14 W e ar e a sever e ( inaudibl e ) count y for

15 ozone

. I a m a license d physica l therapis t an d hav e been

16 healthcar e professiona l fo r 3 0 year s wh o doe s home

17 healt h car e

, an d I se e th e patient s whos e healt h has

18 bee n severel y affecte d b y ozon e

. I trea t peopl e

,

19 especiall y th e elderl y

, wit h damage d lung s fro m exposure

20 t o ozone

. I se e thes e patient s o n oxyge n 2 4 hour s a day

21 an d gaspin g fo r ai r an d breat h

.

22 I t i s a littl e know n fac t tha t m y count y

,

23 Missour i Count y

, i n ( inaudibl e )

, Texas

, ha s ha d

, the

24 las t fiv e year s

, th e highes t ozon e reading s i n th e State

25 o f Texas

. Tha t i s th e fourt h highes t dail y maximum54

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 level

. I rea d i n a n articl e tha t Davi d Bryme r

, th e air

2 directo r o f TCE Q

, sai d h e wa s baffle d wh y th e monito r in

3 ( inaudibl e ) i n th e par k ha s thos e reading s

. Coul d i t be

4 tha t th e ( inaudibl e ) centra l chemica l industr y wher e I

5 liv e i n Kno x ( inaudibl e ) an d Freepor t an d othe r sources

6 i n souther n Missour i Count y produc e ozon e an d blows

7 acros s ou r count y an d als o ozon e fro m eas t Housto n

. We

8 hav e a perfec t storm

.

9 VO C s doe s kee p sunligh t

- - form s ou r ozon e

.

10 An d agai n

, Housto n

, Galvesto n

, Missour i Count y

, w e have

11 bee n a lon g tim e a sever e nonattainmen t are a fo r o zon e

.

12 I hav e rea d ( inaudibl e ) ac t discussion s abou t ozone

13 standard s sinc e 2 0 08

. I t i s sai d b y yo u

, EP A

, an d I

14 believ e i t i s scientificall y prove n tha t th e ozon e smog

15 standar d mus t b e 6 0 part s pe r billio n t o protec t the

16 lung s o f childre n wit h asthm a

, elderl y

, an d other

17 respirator y ailment s

.

18 W e nee d yo u t o tak e actio n no w to

19 protec t

- - t o rais e nationa l ozon e

- - o r lowe r th e ozone

20 standar d t o betwee n 6 0 an d 6 5 part s pe r billio n i n order

21 t o protec t people s ' lung s

. Ther e ha s bee n an d presently

22 ha s bee n million s o f peopl e wit h thei r lung s damage d due

23 t o ozone

.

24 O n a persona l not e

, I me t a chemical

25 engineerin g studen t a t th e Universit y o f Missour i 3 155

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 year s ag o

. Ke n move d t o Texa s fo r a chanc e t o wor k at

2 Do w ( inaudibl e )

, an d I watche d a ma n transfor m int o a

3 ma n wit h a purpos e i n lif e o f makin g mone y fo r his

4 compan y an d himsel f an d denyin g tha t pollutio n an d ozone

5 damage d peopl e ' s healt h an d lung s

. Eve n thoug h I tried

6 t o ge t hi m t o liste n t o scientifi c report s abou t ozone

7 an d abou t al l th e sic k childre n an d elderl y i n Missouri

8 Count y tha t ha d bee n permanentl y damage d b y ozon e du e to

9 industr y no t usin g B A C T an d no t d ecreasin g thei r ozone

10 voluntaril y

. Le t ' s b e realisti c an d car e

.

11 W e hav e bee n u n abl e t o ge t ou r local

12 legislator s an d som e peopl e a t TCE Q t o hel p u s d e crease

13 ozon e i n Texas

. W e plea d tha t E P A lowe r th e ozone

14 standar d t o 6 0 t o 6 5 part s pe r billio n

. M y favorite

15 quot e i s fro m Alber t Einstei n

. H e state d

, " thi s world

16 wil l no t b e destroye d b y thos e tha t d o evi l

, pollut e

,

17 bu t b y thos e wh o stan d b y an d watc h an d d o nothin g

. " I

18 plea d wit h yo u

, E P A

, no t t o stan d b y an d watc h bu t after

19 al l thes e year s t o d o somethin g

. Pleas e lowe r th e ozone

20 standar d t o betwee n 6 0 an d 6 5 part s pe r billio n

. Thank

21 yo u

.

22 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

23 u p i s Elen a Craf t an d Rebecc a Woote n ( inaudibl e )

.

24 MS

. CRAF T : M y nam e i s E len a Craf t

, an d I ' m

25 a toxicologis t healt h scientis t wit h Environmental56

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 Defens e Fun d an d als o hav e a n appointmen t a t U T Health

2 Scienc e Cente r i n Housto n

. Than k yo u fo r the

3 opportunit y t o testif y toda y

. E D F commend s E P A and

4 ( inaudibl e ) fo r pr o posin g th e Ai r Qualit y Standar d s for

5 Ozone

. W e respectfull y reques t th e EP A follo w the

6 recommendatio n b y th e Clea n Ai r Scientifi c Advisory

7 Committe e an d reduc e th e Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Quality

8 Standar d s fo r Ozon e t o protec t publi c healt h and

9 childre n i n sensitiv e population s

.

10 W e urg e th e EP A t o se t a standar d for

11 6 0 part s pe r billio n

, a s th e scientifi c record

12 demonstrate s tha t thi s leve l wil l provid e th e strongest

13 publi c healt h protection s fo r American s

. A s EP A i s well

14 a war e

, ( inaudibl e ) ozon e o n th e respirator y syste m

,

15 aggravat e asthm a an d othe r ( inaudibl e )

, linke d t o early

16 deat h fro m cardiovascula r cause s

. Peopl e wit h asthm a

,

17 childre n

, an d olde r adult s ar e amon g th e populatio n most

18 a t ris k ( inaudibl e )

.

19 A n independen t cas e ha s indicate d the

20 curren t standar d a s i nadequat e fo r publi c healt h and

21 recommende d a rang e o f 6 0 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n

.

22 Furthe r mor e

, th e cas e ac t emphasize d a t 7 0

, ther e are

23 substantia l advers e effect s ( inaudibl e )

, including

24 de creas e i n lun g functio n

, ( inaudibl e )

, an d i n creas e in

25 ai r wa y inflammatio n

. Th e cas e mad e i t clea r tha t a57

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 standar d o f 6 0 par t s pe r billio n woul d offe r mor e public

2 healt h benefit s tha n th e standar d 6 5 o r 7 0

.

3 EP A ' s analysi s i s base d o n a n extensiv e and

4 compellin g bod y o f scientifi c evidenc e

. Sinc e th e last

5 proposa l

, ther e hav e bee n mor e tha n a thousan d new

6 studie s tha t demonstrat e th e healt h an d environmental

7 har m t o thos e ( inaudibl e )

. E P A' s analysi s highlights

8 th e clea r an d profoun d healt h benefi t o f strengthening

9 ( inaudibl e ) t o 6 0 par t s pe r billio n

. An d th e E P A

10 estimate s tha t thi s leve l o f protectio n wil l resul t in

11 monetize d benefit s i n 2 0 2 5 o f betwee n $ 3 7 t o $75

12 billio n

.

13 W e ca n als o ge t ther e

. Th e critic s say

14 tha t w e ca n ' t mee t mor e restrictiv e standard s

, that

15 we ' l l hav e t o sto p usin g driv e

- through s an d sto p having

16 barbecue s

. Bu t i f w e loo k pas t th e fea r mongerin g

, we

17 se e tha t i n Housto n

, fo r exampl e

, on e o f th e most

18 ozone

- pollute d citie s i n th e countr y

, ozon e i s actually

19 o n th e declin e

, an d dat a indicat e tha t th e pr oposed

20 standard s ar e achievabl e

.

21 I n a 201 3 pee r

- reviewe d repor t from

22 Environmenta l Scienc e an d Technolog y tha t examined

23 ( inaudibl e ) i n th e Housto n an d Galvesto n are a

, regional

24 backgroun d ( inaudibl e ) demonstrate d a declin e o f

. 5 to

25 .7 5 part s pe r billio n pe r yea r i n Housto n

, corresponding58

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 t o a d e creas e o f 7 t o 1 1 part s pe r billio n ozon e between

2 th e year s 1 9 9 8 an d 2 0 12

. Housto n experience d th e fewest

3 numbe r o f ozon e exceede d state s eve r i n th e pas t yea r

,

4 1 4 dow n fro m 6 5 i n 2 0 06

.

5 Thes e reduction s ( inaudibl e ) national

6 declin e an d ar e attributabl e i n par t t o communicatio n of

7 nationa l Clea n Ai r Ac t protection s

. ( Inaudibl e )

8 protection s ( inaudibl e ) o f Clea n Ca r Standard s

, bot h of

9 whic h wil l contribut e t o significan t an d sustained

10 emissio n reduction s

. Wit h regar d t o th e ( inaudibl e ) air

11 pollutio n rule s

, physicall y

, ne w informatio n fro m E P A

12 outline d i n Januar y 201 5 mem o fro m Steve n Pag e to

13 regio n a l ( inaudibl e ) indicate s tha t Housto n stand s to

14 gai n severa l part s pe r billio n wort h o f ozon e reductions

15 b y 20 1 8 a s a resul t o f control s implemente d i n states

16 lik e Louisian a an d Mississipp i

.

17 An d E P A' s ow n dat a fo r al l state s

,

18 excludin g Californi a

, als o indicate d tha t muc h o f the

19 countr y wil l b e abl e t o mee t thos e standard s b y 20 2 5

.

20 Almos t 9 0 percen t o f countie s projecte d t o b e ou t of

21 attainmen t wit h th e standar d o f 6 5 part s pe r billio n and

22 clos e t o a hundre d percen t o f th e countie s projec t e d to

23 b e ou t o f ( inaudibl e ) attainmen t wit h 7 0 par t s per

24 billio n

.

25 Fo r fou r an d a hal f decade s o f implementing59

COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 th e Clea n Ai r Ac t

, th e U .S

. ha s maintaine d strong

2 economi c growt h

. A s a n energ y capita l o f th e countr y

,

3 Texa s ha s prove n tim e an d tim e agai n tha t i t ha s the

4 ingenuit y t o thriv e an d innovat e economicall y whil e not

5

- - withou t sacrificin g ( inaudibl e ) clea n ai r

. A s a

6 scientis t an d a s a mo m o f a n eigh t

- mont h

- ol d bab y bo y

, I

7 applau d th e EP A ' s effort s i n protectin g publi c healt h

.

8 Ho w excitin g i s i t i n ou r lifetime s w e ar e witnessing

9 in credibl e progres s i n securin g clea n ai r acros s the

10 natio n

.

11 W e appreciat e E PA ' s suppor t an d than k you

12 fo r you r leadershi p

. Settin g th e ozon e standar d t o 6 0

13 wil l hel p thos e o f u s i n Texa s ( inaudibl e ) breathe

14 easie r

. Than k yo u fo r th e opportunit y t o testif y

.

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

16 MR

. ARECHIG A : Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e is

17 Jaco b Arechig a

. I ' m a n attorne y a t Jackso n Walke r

, LL C

,

18 an d I ' m appearin g her e o n b e hal f o f th e Gul f Coast

19 Coalitio n

, o r G CL C

. GCL C i s a coalitio n o f entities

20 tha t ow n o r operat e ( inaudibl e ) powe r plant s i n Texas

,

21 Louisian a

, an d Mississipp i

. GCL C appreciate s the

22 opportunit y t o spea k t o th e EP A ( inaudibl e ) pr o posed

23 Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standar d s fo r Ozon e

.

24 GC L C i s her e t o highligh t th e importanc e of

25 thi s Texa s coa l generatio n fleet

, especiall y wit h regard60

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 t o meetin g th e electricit y demand s o f a rapidl y growing

2 stat e an d ensurin g affordabl e an d reliabl e electricity

3 an d th e potentia l har m tha t coul d b e don e t o th e State

4 i f th e standar d i s se t to o lo w ( inaudibl e ) Texas

5 Electri c

.

6 Texa s coa l flee t i s youn g

. Th e averag e age

7 o f th e stat e ' s coa l generatio n flee t i s 2 9 years

8 compare d t o a nationa l averag e o f 4 5 year s

. The

9 ( inaudibl e ) decade s o f usefu l lif e r e mainin g ( inaudibl e )

10 an d essentia l t o respondin g t o populatio n an d economic

11 growt h

. No t onl y i s Texa s Coa l Flee t youn g

, i t is

12 heavil y controlle d

. ( Inaudibl e ) th e ove r $1 7 billio n in

13 emission s control s

. Thos e number s ar e likel y t o b e much

14 highe r

. Thi s numbe r doe s no t includ e coa l ' s ( inaudibl e )

15 i n respons e t o standard s rul e an d othe r E P A rule s

.

16 Th e resul t o f Texa s havin g suc h a youn g and

17 heavil y controlle d flee t i s tha t Texa s flee t ha s on e of

18 th e lowes t noncommissione d rate s o f an y flee t i n the

19 natio n an d fa r lowe r tha n th e nationa l averag e

.

20 Accordin g t o th e Texa s Commissio n o n Environmental

21 Qualit y

, Texa s ai r qualit y i s onl y gettin g bette r

. From

22 20 0 0 t o 2 01 3

, th e ozon e level s i n Texa s hav e decreased

23 b y 2 4 percen t compare d t o th e nationa l averag e of

24 1 2 percen t

. ( Inaudibl e ) emission s hav e decrease d th e 6 7

25 sinc e 19 9 7

. Thi s ha s bee n achieve d al l whil e th e Texas61

COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 econom y ha s grow n a t a n in credibl e rat e

.

2 Texa s need s al l th e powe r i t ca n ge t

.

3 We ' r e bi g

, w e' r e ho t

, w e 'r e th e backbon e o f th e energy

4 an d chemica l industr y

. We ' r e growin g

. ( Inaudibl e )

5 percen t sinc e 201 3

, mor e tha n twic e th e national

6 averag e

. Texa s populatio n ha s als o grow n a t mor e than

7 twic e th e nationa l rat e sinc e 20 1 0

, addin g mor e people

8 tha n an y othe r state

, nearl y 1 20 0 peopl e a da y

, on

9 averag e

. Texa s canno t affor d anothe r rul e tha t need s to

10 shu t dow n o r di spatc h a powe r plant

. ( Inaudibl e )

11 alread y significan t reliabilit y concern s i n electrical

12 an d ( inaudibl e ) companie s

, especiall y i n Texa s an d other

13 southwes t region s

. W e shoul d no t ( inaudibl e ) b e unde r a

14 proposa l tha t coul d lea d t o additiona l requirement s

.

15 Th e pr e matur e force d shu t dow n o f an y Texas

16 powe r plan t i s un saf e an d potentiall y result s in

17 blackout s ( inaudibl e )

. ( Inaudibl e ) economi c consulting

18 ha s predicte d nationwid e ( inaudibl e ) o f thi s rul e o f up

19 t o a rang e o f $ 27 0 billio n t o $ 36 0 billio n annuall y

. In

20 Texas

, ( inaudibl e ) thes e hav e shu t dow n 2 8 percen t of

21 coa l

- generatin g capacit y

, $ 4 8 millio n gros s state

22 produc t los s fro m 201 7 t o 204 0 ; ( inaudibl e ) 34 7 lost

23 job s an d jo b equivalent s pe r yea r ; $ 11 3 billio n i n total

24 complianc e cos t ; an d $9 7 0 dro p i n househol d consumption

25 pe r yea r ; $ 1 0, 00 0

, 00 0

, 00 0 mor e fo r resident s t o ow n and62

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 operat e thei r vehicle s statewid e betwee n 201 7 an d 2 04 0 ;

2 an d

, base d o n th e nationa l average s

, u p t o a 5 0 percent

3 increas e i n residentia l electricit y price s an d u p t o a

4 3 2 percen t i n creas e i n residentia l natura l ga s price s

.

5 Th e 6 5 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n standard

6 indicate s tha t ambien t backgroun d level s th e EP A is

7 pr o posin g i s largel y un achievabl e

. Th e mos t highly

8 populate d citie s

, a s wel l a s ( inaudibl e ) suburb s

, will

9 no t b e abl e t o compl y wit h thes e standard s

. Currentl y

,

10 al l o r a portio n o f th e mor e tha n 20 0 millio n counties

11 acros s th e countr y ar e no t ( inaudibl e )

, an d thos e areas

12 ar e mor e tha n on e

- thir d o f th e tota l U

. S

. populatio n

.

13 Th e E P A ( inaudibl e ) equipmen t an d violate

14 th e ne w proposa l an d i t project s a 35 8 ( inaudibl e )

15 standar d an d 5 5 8 ( inaudibl e ) standard s tha t ppb

16 standard s

. Furthe r

, base d o n report s conducte d on

17 be hal f o f th e Texa s Commissio n o f Environmenta l Qualit y

,

18 th e vas t majorit y o f th e resident s actuall y i n th e DF W

19 are a ar e no t relate d t o powe r plant s a t al l

. For

20 instanc e

, i n th e D F W are a ove r 8 4 percen t o f the

21 ( inaudibl e ) emission s ar e fro m mobil e source s

, th e bulk

22 o f whic h ar e automobil e insuranc e

.

23 Th e Texa s coa l ( inaudibl e ) powe r flee t is

24 clea n an d gettin g cleane r an d i s a criticall y valuable

25 re sourc e t o maintai n ou r electrica l reliabilit y and63

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 en surin g tha t Texa s r emain s th e economi c powe rhous e it

2 ha s grow n t o b e

. Thes e re source s mus t b e protecte d in

3 an y futur e EP A rulemakin g

, includin g thi s nex t ozone

4 proposa l

. Than k yo u ver y muc h fo r you r tim e an d w e 'll

5 b e submittin g writte n d e tails

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

7 we ' d lik e t o cal l Christia n Stump f an d Sara h Davenpor t

.

8 MS

. DAVENPOR T : Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e is

9 Sara h Davenpor t

. I' m her e o n behal f o f ( inaudibl e )

10 Johnso n

. Sh e send s he r regret s tha t sh e was n ' t abl e to

11 mak e i t thi s mornin g

. Howeve r

, sh e woul d lik e m e to

12 rea d he r remark s

.

13 W e ar e her e toda y t o discus s the

14 Environmenta l Protectio n Agenc y ' s proposa l t o lowe r the

15 standar d fo r ozon e

, th e pollutan t tha t cause s smo g

, from

16 th e curren t standar d o f 7 5 part s pe r billio n t o a

17 standar d i n th e rang e o f 6 5 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n

. As

18 someon e wh o worke d i n th e publi c healt h fiel d befor e I

19 entere d politic s

, I a m ver y sensitiv e t o th e problem

20 poo r ai r qualit y ca n hav e o n th e healt h o f Texan s

.

21 Un fortunatel y

, thos e o f u s fro m the

22 Dalla s / For t Wort h regio n ar e familia r wit h th e negative

23 effect s o f smo g an d ar e accusto m e d t o seein g orang e and

24 re d a l ert s

, warnin g abou t bein g outsid e becaus e th e air

25 i s to o pollute d fo r i t t o b e saf e

. Ai r

- qualit y

- related64

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 illnesse s hav e a ver y rea l an d destructiv e effec t o n the

2 econom y

, nationall y

, o n th e orde r o f hundred s of

3 billion s o f dollar s annuall y

, an d th e benefit s of

4 reducin g thos e effect s wil l b e see n throughou t the

5 countr y

.

6 Th e scientifi c evidenc e support s a lower

7 standar d fo r ozon e tha n w e currentl y hav e

, an d according

8 t o th e agenc y ' s analysi s

, strengthenin g th e standard

9 wil l provid e bette r protectio n fo r ou r childre n by

10 pr e ventin g 32 0

, 00 0 t o 96 0, 00 0 asthm a attack s tha t will

11 kee p the m fro m missin g 33 0

, 00 0 t o 1 millio n day s of

12 schoo l

, an d i t wil l sto p betwee n 75 0 an d 4

, 30 0 pr e mature

13 death s pe r yea r

. I t i s wort h notin g tha t childre n and

14 communitie s o f colo r ar e disproportionatel y affecte d by

15 ai r pollutio n

.

16 Childre n ar e mor e likel y t o b e active

17 ou t door s whe n thei r lung s ar e stil l developin g

. In

18 additio n

, a 20 1 1 analysi s U .S

. population s an d air

19 qualit y foun d tha t Africa n

- American s an d Latino s were

20 mor e likel y t o liv e i n countie s tha t ha d wors e problems

21 wit h pollutio n

. Africa n

- American s wer e als o mor e likely

22 t o liv e i n countie s wit h wors e smo g pollutio n

, have

23 nearl y tw o time s th e rate s o f curren t asthm a as

24 Caucasia n childre n

, an d ar e fou r time s a s likel y t o die

25 fro m i t

.65

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- DALLAS, TEXA S ( 21 4 ) 22 0

- 2449 1 Som e wil l argu e tha t EP A ' s proposa l will

2 kil l job s

, ( inaudibl e ) an d resul t i n irreparable

3 economi c destructio n

. Thi s i s no t a ne w argumen t

.

4 Ther e i s muc h mor e evidenc e showin g tha t job s are

5 create d an d th e econom y expand s followin g th e passag e of

6 ( inaudibl e ) reform s

. Fo r exampl e

, th e U. S

. econom y grew

7 b y 5 4 percen t i n th e year s followin g th e passag e o f the

8 Clea n Ai r Ac t

.

9 No w

, mor e tha n eve r

, th e America n people

10 nee d a stron g EP A t o protec t thei r right s o f clea n air

11 an d wate r

. Ye s

, som e type s o f industrie s ma y se e a

12 declin e i n th e fac e o f ne w regulation s

. I n Texa s

,

13 dependin g o n ho w th e relevan t firm s decid e t o compl y

,

14 som e job s coul d b e los t

. Wh y I trul y hat e t o se e any

15 famil y suffe r a jo b los s

, I a m a n optimis t wit h a well

16 founde d fait h tha t ultimatel y

, thes e regulation s ac t as

17 a catalys t fo r th e creatio n o f ne w job s i n industrial

18 sector s an d tha t th e har d workin g Texa s wor kforc e wil l be

19 th e one s tha t benefi t i n th e en d

.

20 Stric t pollutio n limit s forc e u s t o push

21 th e envelop e o f scientifi c innovatio n an d creat e new

22 technologie s

, an d

, a s i t ha s bee n prove n man y times

23 ove r

, im prov e worke r productivit y

, i n creas e agricultural

24 yield

, reductio n i n mortalit y an d illnes s

, an d other

25 economi c an d publi c healt h benefit s fa r outweig h the66

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.

2 Thankfull y

, pol l afte r pol l show s tha t the

3 publi c believe s tha t th e E P A shoul d protec t th e i r rights

4 t o clea n ai r an d wate r mor e tha n the y believ e that

5 pollutio n i s th e pric e the y mus t pa y fo r economic

6 securit y

. I stan d her e toda y wit h th e peopl e o f Texas

7 wh o

, regardles s o f wher e the y fal l o n th e partisan

8 divid e

, universall y agre e tha t respirator y disease s

,

9 hear t attack s

, an d prematur e deat h ar e no t par t o f the

10 sacrific e the y shoul d hav e t o pa y

- - universall y agree

11 tha t respirator y disease s

, hear t attack s

, an d premature

12 deat h ar e no t par t o f th e sacrific e the y shoul d hav e to

13 mak e fo r th e sak e o f th e Texa s miracl e

.

14 Althoug h scientifi c

- - excus e me

. Although

15 significan t progres s ha s bee n mad e i n th e pas t 4 0 year s

,

16 i t i s ou r jo b no w t o buil d upo n thi s legac y an d en sure

17 tha t w e continu e t o i mprov e o r environmenta l qualit y

.

18 I n th e grea t Stat e o f Texa s

, th e health y environmen t and

19 stron g econom y ar e no t mutuall y exclusiv e

, an d I am

20 supportiv e o f th e EP A ' s effor t t o lowe r th e ozone

21 standar d

. W e ca n an d mus t d o bette r fo r th e curren t and

22 futur e Texan s

.

23 Remark s fro m Counse l woma n ( inaudibl e )

.

24 MR

. STUMP F : Than k yo u

. M y nam e is

25 Christia n Stump f

. I ' m th e regiona l di r ecto r o f public67

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- 2449 1 polic y fo r th e America n Lun g Associatio n i n the

2 southwes t

, an d I a m her e t o rea d a lette r o n be hal f of

3 Jeanett e McNei l l fro m ( inaudibl e )

, Main e

, wh o coul d not

4 b e

- - trave l her e today

, givin g he r statemen t

.

5 So

, than k yo u fo r continuin g t o evaluate

6 groun d leve l ozon e an d fo r listenin g t o ou r comments

7 today

. I hav e live d wit h asthm a fo r mor e tha n five

8 decade s

. Fo r th e mos t par t

, I 'v e com e t o term s wit h i t

.

9 Ove r m y lif e spa n

, I' v e bee n i n th e emergenc y roo m at

10 leas t 8 0 times

. Th e bill s ( inaudibl e ) sho w costs

11 betwee n $ 3, 50 0 an d $ 1 7, 50 0 pe r visi t

. I f I accep t my

12 docto r ' s recommendatio n

, m y medicatio n nex t yea r alone

1 3 wil l cos t $ 10 0

, 80 0

.

14 A r e cen t visi t t o th e allergis t ' s offic e

,

15 on e o f man y eac h yea r

, wa s $ 39 0

. Keepin g m e and

16 million s o f ou r peopl e jus t lik e me

, an d fo r million s of

17 mor e peopl e lik e m e

, breathin g i s no t chea p

. Bu t a side

18 fro m cos t

, thes e day s

, I thin k mos t abou t ou r kid s

.

19 The y ar e jus t startin g ou t

, learnin g wha t ( inaudibl e )

.

20 I wis h tha t no t on e o f the m woul d b e dow n lik e th e young

21 runne r I onc e sa w wit h emergenc y personne l aroun d her

22 an d a n oxyge n mas k o n he r fac e

.

23 I wis h tha t n o ki d wa s spendin g tim e wit h a

24 nebulize r i n th e schoo l nurse ' s offic e instea d o f being

25 i n class

. I wis h tha t ever y ki d coul d pla y whatever68

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- 2449 1 positio n the y wante d i n socce r instea d o f alway s bein g a

2 goali e becaus e th e goali e does n' t hav e t o ru n s o muc h

.

3 I wis h tha t n o chil d woul d eve r fac e th e terrifying

4 momen t whe n yo u kno w yo u ma y no t ge t on e mor e breat h

.

5 Asthm a limit s ou r kid s ' promis e an d thei r dream s

.

6 Havin g ha d a chanc e t o reflec t ove r many

7 years

, I woul d pa y anythin g t o eliminat e asthm a or

8 reduc e it s effect s

. I an d man y other s ar e already

9 payin g a grea t dea l t o liv e wit h it

. S o

, I urg e yo u to

10 strengthe n ou r ozon e standard s

, a s yo u pr o pos e

, and

11 strengthe n the m eve n mor e i f th e scienc e support s i t

.

12 I t mean s a grea t dea l t o m e

, bu t mor e importantl y

, it

13 mean s a grea t dea l t o al l th e kid s o f asthm a i n our

14 communitie s aroun d th e countr y

. Thos e kid s ar e th e best

15 reaso n fo r makin g th e chang e t o th e ozon e rules

16 pr o posed

. Than k yo u

.

17 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, we ' d like

18 t o cal l Patrici a Brow n an d Keit h Ennis

. Afte r tha t

,

19 Rebecc a Woote n

.

20 MS

. BROW N : Goo d mornin g

, m y nam e is

21 Patrici a Brown

. I ' m a residen t o f Midlothia n

, Texa s

,

22 an d I hop e tha t m y las t

- minut e preparatio n wil l clearly

23 relat e th e importanc e I fee l ( inaudibl e ) i n tightening

24 ou r ai r standard s i n th e Unite d State s

. I hav e the

25 benefi t o f havin g bee n a Unite d State s ve t e ra n

. For69

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, I ' m ver y thankfu l tha t m y eldes t daughter

2 ha d th e medica l car e tha t sh e di d

.

3 Considerin g a s th e Worl d Health

4 Organizatio n estimate s tha t eac h perso n breathes

5 approximatel y 3

, 00 0 gallon s o f ai r a da y

, I do n ' t think

6 tha t th e averag e America n give s tha t muc h though t no r do

7 the y hav e th e benefi t o f knowin g som e o f th e thing s that

8 ou r professional s an d e x pert s tha t ar e her e toda y d o in

9 orde r t o protec t themselve s

.

10 I believ e tha t clea n ai r i s a basi c human

11 right

, an d I believ e everybod y i n th e roo m wil l agree

12 wit h tha t

. M y concer n i s th e healt h i n equitie s tha t we

13 se e acros s th e Unite d State s

, an d the y ' r e ofte n du e to

14 th e socia l determinant s o f healt h

, a s yo u kno w

. In

15 20 0 3

, th e Worl d Healt h Organizatio n

, Zuric h branc h

,

16 suggeste d tha t lif e expectanc y wil l de creas e a s disease

17 in crease s furthe r

, an d thi s wil l occu r furthe r dow n the

18 socia l ladde r

.

19 Th e socia l determinanc e o f healt h

, having

20 t o d o wit h educatio n leve l an d wher e w e liv e

, wher e we

21 wor k

, ag e

, an d socioeconomi c determinant s

, gettin g back

22 t o m y daughte r

, w e ha d th e benefi t o f th e Ai r Force

23 takin g car e o f he r medica l beneat h need s

, bu t I ca n ' t

24 ex pres s ho w exhaustin g i t wa s constantl y bein g calle d

,

25 a s a singl e paren t i n th e militar y

, t o com e ge t your70

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- 2449 1 child

. Thi s include d missin g a lo t o f schoo l

, a lo t of

2 wor k

, an d basicall y pr e ventin g a norma l childhoo d

.

3 So

, m y concer n i s tha t I hop e t o spea k on

4 be hal f o f thos e i n capabl e o r u n abl e t o speak

, an d I

5 than k yo u fo r bein g her e toda y t o hea r al l o f u s

. I' m

6 a war e o f th e term s o f environmenta l in justic e and

7 tha t' s

, agai n

, it ' s becaus e I hav e th e benefi t o f having

8 th e educatio n o f environmenta l la w backgroun d an d I ' m

9 currentl y halfwa y throug h a maste r ' s i n publi c health

10 progra m

.

11 M y concer n

, als o

, i s th e mentalit y across

12 th e Unite d State s

. I currentl y wor k i n a federa l sector

13 i n a denta l laborator y wher e a lon g

- tim e la b manager

14 gav e m e grie f

, basicall y

, becaus e I brough t u p issues

15 abou t ai r qualit y i n ou r wor k sectio n

. I have

16 approximatel y 7 0 c o worker s

, an d I do n' t believ e man y of

17 the m wan t t o brin g u p th e concer n abou t th e ai r quality

18 i n ou r wor k sectio n agai n becaus e tha t ' s thei r brea d and

19 butte r

. Tha t' s thei r jo b

. Tha t ' s al l the y kno w

.

20 The y do n ' t ofte n hav e th e luxur y o f finding

21 employmen t elsewher e

. S o

, ou r ver y lon g

- tim e lab

22 manage r cam e t o m e

, i n hi s min d

, provin g tha t w e 'v e all

23 liv e d throug h thes e thing s wit h a shee t tha t sai d

, her e

,

24 d o yo u remembe r i n th e day s whe n w e use d asbesto s ring

25 line r i n ou r certai n procedur e ? An d m y commen t t o that71

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- 2449 1 wa s

, ye s

, bu t w e kno w bette r no w

. I t' s no t acceptabl e

.

2 Ou r ver y ow n Health y Peopl e 2 0 2 0 government

3 initiativ e highlight s th e importanc e ( inaudibl e ) of

4 thes e variou s socia l determinant s o f healt h b y creating

5 socia l an d physica l environment s tha t actuall y pr o mote

6 goo d healt h fo r al l

, an d tha t ' s a though t share d b y the

7 Worl d Healt h Organizatio n

.

8 A s di s playe d b y a numbe r o f professionals

9 wh o testifie d her e thi s mornin g

, there ' s a dir e nee d to

10 chang e th e ( inaudibl e ) standar d

. An d tha t ' s because

11 th e

- - a s th e populatio n i n crease s an d a s human

12 consumptio n in crease s

, thos e i n position s ( inaudibl e ) to

13 protec t u s

, I fee l

, ar e respectfull y obligate d t o do

14 everythin g i n thei r powe r t o e n abl e th e general

15 populatio n t o liv e i n health y environment s

.

16 An d m y

- - m y respectfu l commen t t o those

17 wh o argu e tha t th e standard s tha t ar e pr o pose d ar e not

18 possibl e

, I be g t o diffe r

. Ther e wa s a da y whe n we

19 stil l allowe d kid s t o pla y wit h lea d toy s

, et c

. Agai n

,

20 w e kno w bette r no w

. So

, thes e effort s wil l tak e a

21 collaboratio n o f governmen t agencie s an d thei r effort s

,

22 an d I than k yo u fo r allowin g m e t o spea k m y voic e toda y

.

23 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

24 MR

. ANNI S : Goo d mornin g

, m y nam e i s Keith

25 Annis

. I ' m fro m For t Wort h

, Texa s

. I ' d lik e t o thank72

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. Than k yo u for

2 schedulin g i t ove r th e entir e da y s o th e folk s wh o work

3 9: 0 0 t o 5 :0 0 ma y b e abl e t o atten d thi s evenin g

. I

4 reall y appreciat e tha t

. I hav e ha d asthm a

, an d a t age

5 si x

, I spen t a wee k i n th e hospita l becaus e o f asthm a

.

6 I' m her e t o spea k o n be hal f o f m y wif e

, wh o als o suffers

7 fro m asthm a an d m y tw o daughter s

, Sophi a an d Lis a

, who

8 hav e no t ha d diagnose s ye t

, bu t I ' m waitin g fo r tha t any

9 momen t

.

10 A littl e mor e tha n a wee k ag o

, i n thi s very

11 roo m

, th e Texa s Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y took

12 publi c testimon y regardin g thei r lates t state

13 implementatio n pla n

. Ala s

, thi s wa s a n exercis e in

14 futilit y

. TCE Q ha s a lon g histor y o f listenin g to

15 industr y insider s an d ignorin g th e publi c goo d

. I t is

16 becaus e o f thi s histor y tha t I ' m her e t o as k th e EP A to

17 implemen t th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n standar d

.

18 A s yo u conside r th e statement s oppose d t o a

19 6 0 part s pe r billio n standar d pr e sente d b y industry

20 lobbyist s an d insider s

, pleas e remembe r on e o f th e ir

21 argument s i s tha t curren t standard s hav e no t been

22 implemente d b y man y o f th e state s an d ma y countie s are

23 currentl y an d woul d b e i n no n complianc e

. Considering

24 ho w har d the y ar e workin g t o mak e sur e tha t state s like

25 Texa s neve r implemen t thes e standard s

, it ' s reall y no73

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- 2449 1 surpris e tha t the y us e tha t a s a n argumen t

. I t is

, in

2 fac t

, laughabl e t o thin k th e ( inaudibl e ) woul d argu e to

3 wai t unti l stat e authoritie s tak e actio n

.

4 Anothe r poin t bein g raise d i s th e science

5 is n ' t ther e ye t t o addres s issue s relate d t o background

6 ozon e level s

. Havin g grow n u p i n th e shado w o f th e Oak

7 Ridg e Nationa l Laborator y

, an d a s th e so n o f a

8 scientis t

, I ca n assur e yo u tha t ever y scientis t I have

9 eve r me t

, whic h i s ever y fathe r an d mos t mother s of

10 ever y frien d I ha d growin g up

, like s nothin g mor e tha n a

11 challeng e

. Necessit y i s th e mothe r o f inventio n

. I

12 urg e yo u t o hav e fait h i n th e me n an d wome n o f our

13 scientifi c communit y t o addres s thes e concern s an d reach

14 th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n standar d

.

15 Th e fina l industr y argumen t I woul d lik e to

16 discus s i s th e theor y tha t im posin g thes e standard s will

17 cos t job s

. I appreciat e bein g r e minde d ho w larg e the

18 oi l an d ga s industr y i s an d ho w man y job s i t create s

,

19 bu t I fin d i t od d tha t the y wer e abl e t o gro w s o large

20 despit e havin g th e existin g clea n ai r standard s in

21 place

. Onc e the y fough t toot h an d nai l

, arguin g they

22 woul d cos t job s

. Clearl y

, tha t di d no t happe n

.

23 Som e ma y doub t th e abilit y o f th e oi l and

24 ga s industr y t o continu e t o b e profitabl e

. I hav e great

25 fait h i n thei r abilit y t o continu e t o realiz e profi t

.74

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- 2449 1 Than k yo u agai n s o muc h fo r bein g her e today

, an d I

2 appreciat e th e opportunit y t o giv e testimon y

.

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

4 up

, w e hav e Rebecc a Woote n

.

5 MS

. WOOTE N : I ' l l g o a hea d an d ge t starte d

.

6 M y nam e i s Rebecc a Woote n

. I ' m actuall y th e President

7 o f th e Nort h Texa s boar d o f th e America n Lung

8 Associatio n

, bu t actuall y

, today

, I ' m jus t her e a s a

9 mo m

. I' m actuall y a mothe r o f thre e

. Whe n m y firs t was

10 bor n

, m y so n

, h e wa s probabl y th e bes t child

, th e best

11 bab y tha t yo u coul d eve r imagin e

, an d i n fac t

, h e i s a

12 lo t o f th e reaso n wh y I actuall y ha d tw o mor e who

13 weren ' t a s eas y

.

14 Bu t h e ' s a swee t bab y

, an d a s a firs t

- time

15 mo m

, a s yo u ca n imagin e

, I woul d d o jus t abou t anything

16 t o protec t hi m

. Whe n h e wa s tw o

, h e nearl y die d because

17 o f a nea r

- fata l asthm a attac k

. H e wa s blu e

,

18 un responsiv e

, an d ha d t o b e rushe d t o th e emergency

19 roo m

. Whe n w e wen t int o th e emergenc y roo m

, the y took

20 hi m i n

, an d the y ha d t o intubat e hi m

, an d th e doctors

21 sai d

, I do n ' t thin k h e' s goin g t o mak e it

. Thi s bega n a

22 whol e entir e lif e o f doin g everythin g I coul d d o to

23 protec t hi m

. H e ha s fough t ver y har d an d ha s had

24 multipl e asthm a attack s sinc e tha t nearl y kille d hi m

.

25 I hav e spen t muc h tim e makin g decision s and75

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- 2449 1 choosin g th e foo d tha t h e eat s

, th e wate r tha t he

2 drink s

, th e medicin e tha t h e take s

, bu t th e on e thing

3 tha t I do n' t ge t t o choos e i s th e ai r tha t h e breathe s

.

4 So

, I ' m askin g yo u t o mak e tha t choic e fo r m e

, fo r my

5 so n

, an d fo r al l th e childre n lik e hi m an d ou r future

6 generation s

. I ' m askin g yo u t o mak e tha t choic e an d to

7 d o th e righ t thin g b y no t onl y lookin g a t th e standard

8 an d realizin g an d takin g responsibilit y fo r th e fact

9 tha t i t' s no t wher e i t shoul d be

, bu t als o makin g the

10 decisio n t o sa y t o yoursel f

, i s wha t w e 'r e pr o posing

11 toda y enoug h ?

12 Everyon e ha s sa t her e toda y an d tol d you

13 tha t th e opportunit y t o d o th e righ t thin g an d really

14 loo k a t th e standar d i s 6 0 part s pe r billio n i s the

15 righ t thin g t o do

, s o I ' m askin g yo u t o thin k abou t that

16 an d mak e tha t choic e an d d o th e righ t thin g

. I f I could

17 mak e tha t choic e fo r m y so n

, I woul d

. I woul d certainly

18 tr y t o

. Bu t I ' m askin g yo u t o d o tha t o n m y be hal f and

19 fo r al l th e childre n tha t com e afte r hi m

. Than k yo u

.

20 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. I s

.

21 C herell e Blaze r her e ?

22 MS

. BLAZE R : Oka y

. M y nam e i s Cherelle

23 Blaze r

. I' m her e wit h

- - a s a n organize r fo r Sier r a

24 Clu b

, th e ( inaudibl e ) campaig n

. I' m als o her e a s a

25 privat e citize n

. I' m ver y gla d tha t y ' al l ar e here76

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- 2449 1 today

. Than k yo u s o muc h fo r comin g

. Than k yo u for

2 thi s pr o pose d strengthenin g o f th e ozon e standar d

. I

3 jus t wan t t o tel l m y ow n persona l stor y becaus e

, of

4 cours e

, yo u al l kno w th e scienc e alread y

. An d I just

5 wan t t o sa y tha t thi s becam e trul y a persona l journey

6 fo r m e mayb e eigh t year s ag o whe n I wa s pregnan t wit h my

7 daughte r

.

8 W e live d ou t i n Mansfiel d

, Texas

, an d my

9 husban d ha d a n a cut e asthm a attac k

. H e wen t int o a

10 com a

. Whe n h e wen t int o tha t com a

, i t wa s s o stressful

11 fo r m e tha t I wen t int o pr e matur e labo r

, an d ther e was

12 jus t thi s horrifyin g momen t whe n I wa s i n the

13 hospita l

- - th e sam e hospita l h e wa s i n

. H e wa s o n the

14 firs t floo r i n IC U

, an d I wa s o n th e thir d floo r wher e I

15 though t tha t I coul d los e m y husban d an d m y bab y a t the

16 sam e tim e o n th e sam e da y

, an d tha t wa s horrifyin g

.

17 I t wa s

- - yea h

, i t ' s a feelin g n o mother

18 shoul d hav e t o fee l

, n o wif e shoul d hav e t o fee l

. And

19 a t tha t momen t

, I realize d tha t clea n ai r i s no t just

20 abou t number s an d chart s

. I a m a n atmospheric

21 scientis t

, bu t thi s i s a passio n fo r m e becaus e I do n ' t

22 wan t an y othe r famil y t o hav e t o g o throug h wha t I ' ve

23 gon e throug h

. I understan d tha t som e industr y wil l say

24 tha t thi s standar d i s to o expensiv e fo r the m

, bu t I have

25 t o sa y tha t wha t i t woul d cos t the m t o clea n u p their77

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- 2449 1 act s i s no t nearl y a s expensiv e a s wha t familie s hav e to

2 pa y ever y singl e da y

.

3 Whe n yo u tall y u p th e cos t o f al l the

4 medication s fo r m y so n an d fo r m y husban d

, whe n you

5 tall y u p th e cos t o f havin g t o mis s day s o f wor k

, even

6 becaus e m y so n i s sic k

. I f h e goe s ou t an d play s o n a

7 da y tha t i s a ba d ozon e da y

, a ba d ai r da y

, tha t night

8 i s horribl e

. W e' r e u p al l night

. H e' s havin g asthma

9 attack s ever y tw o o r thre e hours

. H e ha s t o hav e a

10 nebulize r

. M y husban d ca n ' t slee p

, I ca n ' t slee p

. The

11 nex t da y

, h e ' s un abl e t o focu s a t schoo l

, i f he ' s able

12 t o g o t o schoo l a t al l

.

13 Yo u kno w

, th e worl d wa s a magi ca l plac e for

14 m e growin g u p

, an d I wan t tha t fo r hi m a s wel l

, bu t I ' m

15 a war e tha t th e worl d i s no t a magica l plac e whe n a child

16 i s fightin g jus t t o sta y i n i t

. I thin k tha t i t is

17 un fai r fo r familie s t o hav e t o shoulde r th e cos t of

18 illnesse s associate d wit h clea n

- - wit h ba d ai r

. I

19 thin k tha t a n industr y

- - an y industr y tha t is

20 ( inaudibl e ) shoul d bea r tha t burde n

, an d the y 'r e most

21 equippe d t o d o so

.

22 I als o urg e tha t thi s standar d b e mad e to

23 6 0 part s pe r billio n becaus e tha t i s th e mos t protective

24 o f publi c healt h

, an d i t ' s goin g t o sav e a lo t o f live s

.

25 It ' s goin g t o sav e a lo t o f mone y fo r familie s

. I t ' s78

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- 2449 1 goin g t o spu r industr y t o innovat e an d d o bette r

. It ' s

2 goin g t o spu r industr y t o creat e job s i n cleaner

3 sector s

, an d i t wil l im prov e th e publi c healt h in

4 genera l

. Tha t i s al l

. Than k yo u

.

5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. At

6 thi s poin t

, we ' r e goin g t o tak e a brie f

, onl y like

7 te n

- minut e brea k

, se e i f w e ca n ge t thes e micro phone s a

8 littl e loude r

, an d visi t th e restroo m

.

9 (Brea k take n fro m 10 : 4 1 a. m

. t o 1 0: 5 5 a .m

. )

10 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Oka y

. Welcom e bac k

. Thanks

11 fo r you r patienc e

. I thin k w e go t ou r microphone s a t a

12 bette r leve l s o yo u al l ca n hea r wha t' s goin g o n

. We ' re

13 read y t o continu e t o tak e testimon y

.

14 Th e nex t tw o peopl e I ' d lik e t o cal l u p are

15 ( inaudibl e )

.

16 MS

. WEATHERSB Y : H i

, m y nam e i s Lynn

17 Weather s b y

, an d I a m her e wit h Mom s Clea n Ai r Forc e

.

18 Thi s i s th e firs t tim e I 'v e eve r don e anythin g like

19 thi s

, s o I' m a littl e nervou s

. I ' m her e t o reques t that

20 th e E P A reevaluat e th e curren t standar d an d lowe r i t to

21 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. I hav e n o persona l story

. I ' m

22 fortunat e enoug h t o hav e tw o childre n wh o ar e health y

,

23 do n ' t hav e an y breathin g problem s

, bu t I d o liv e i n the

24 DF W are a

, an d I hav e fo r 3 0 year s

.

25 Ove r th e cours e o f tha t 3 0 years

, sadl y and79

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- 2449 1 wit h grea t concer n

, I 'v e watche d th e skie s o f Texa s turn

2 blu e t o brow n

. I wil l no t d o th e dat a

. Th e researc h is

3 there

. Th e statistic s ar e solid

. Th e EP A wa s created

4 a s a n independen t regulator y agenc y i n 19 7 0 designe d to

5 protec t huma n being s fro m th e il l effect s tha t generate

6 pollutio n

, an d I respectfull y reques t tha t th e E P A do

7 wha t the y hav e bee n charge d t o d o

.

8 I t i s no t withi n you r jo b descriptio n t o be

9 concerne d abou t protectin g job s

. I t i s no t withi n your

10 jo b descriptio n t o b e concerne d abou t protecting

11 businesse s

. You r goa l i s singula r

, t o clea n u p th e air

12 an d t o kee p i t clea n fo r th e benefi t o f ou r citizen s

.

13 Pleas e follo w th e advic e o f th e scienc e advisor y boar d

,

14 th e environmenta l economist s

, an d th e citizen s a t large

15 wh o depen d o n yo u t o d o th e righ t thin g

.

16 Than k yo u fo r you r tim e an d fo r hearin g me

17 ou t thi s mornin g

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Thank s

. Yo u di d grea t

.

19 MS

. KELLE Y : H i

. M y nam e i s Ingri d Kelle y

.

20 I liv e her e i n Arlingto n

, Texa s

, an d I a m speakin g today

21 becaus e a s a nurs e

, I ' m en truste d t o protec t the

22 publi c ' s healt h

. Often

, th e scop e o f nursin g practice

23 reache s beyon d th e bedsid e

. Thi s include s advocating

24 fo r th e wel l bein g o f th e publi c throug h educatio n and

25 registratio n

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- 2449 1 I wor k i n a hear t failur e uni t i n a major

2 urba n hospita l

. I witnes s thos e tha t struggl e tha t are

3 livin g wit h hear t an d lun g diseas e

. Whil e ther e are

4 differen t variable s tha t cause s thes e problem s

, we

5 shoul d b e focusin g o n thos e tha t ca n b e change d

. Air

6 qualit y i s a publi c healt h proble m

, an d w e ca n change

7 it

.

8 There ' s enoug h literatur e an d studie s that

9 describ e th e harmfu l effect s o f ai r pollutio n

. Ou r air

10 qualit y contribute s t o a variet y o f respiratory

11 ailment s

, r e activ e ai r wa y diseas e

, asthm a

, chronic

12 obstructiv e pulmonar y diseas e

. Thes e ar e al l o n the

13 ris e

. I ca n attes t tha t no w I car e fo r patient s that

14 ar e sufferin g fro m chroni c obstructiv e pulmonar y disease

15 an d ar e no t longe r directl y relate d jus t t o smokin g

.

16 Additiona l studie s confir m tha t thes e toxic

17 by product s fro m a n arra y o f source s tha t fin d thei r way

18 int o ou r ai r caus e additiona l illnesse s

, includin g heart

19 diseas e

, endocrin e disruptio n

, cance r

. Actuall y

,

20 there ' s no t a syste m i n th e huma n bod y tha t i s not

21 adversel y affecte d b y ai r pollutio n

.

22 Childre n

, th e u n bor n

, th e elderl y ar e the

23 mos t vulnerabl e

. I kno w thi s becaus e al l fou r o f my

24 grandchildre n intermittentl y us e nebuliz e r s and

25 inhaler s

, an d the y ar e al l unde r th e ag e o f te n

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- 2449 1 Imagin e thei r lung s te n year s fro m no w

. S o

, I plead

2 wit h yo u o n be hal f o f al l o f ou r love d one s t o ris e to

3 th e challeng e

, t o regulat e an d e n forc e th e standards

4 tha t contro l ou r ai r qualit y

.

5 I as k tha t yo u addres s al l o f th e air

6 pollutio n concern s tha t ar e presente d her e toda y by

7 variou s speaker s

. I specificall y as k tha t th e gas

8 industr y b e hel d accountabl e fo r th e contamination

9 cause d b y frackin g

. I n 20 1 2

, th e America n Nurs e s

10 Associatio n issue d a statemen t askin g fo r a national

11 moratoriu m o n frackin g du e t o publi c issue s tha t have

12 in crease d directl y relate d t o thi s industr y an d their

13 activit y

. Thi s include s ai r pollutio n

. I t' s no t just

14 limite d t o ai r pollutio n

.

15 I wan t t o than k yo u fo r you r tim e

. I know

16 you r labo r wil l b e har d

, bu t you r r e ward s wil l be

17 substantia l

. Generation s

, presen t an d futur e

, wil l reap

18 th e benefit s o f you r courag e t o clea n ou r ai r

. Thank

19 yo u

.

20 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Nex t

,

21 we ' d lik e t o invit e u p Sandstro m an d Wisdo m

. After

22 tha t

, Gol d

.

23 MS

. SANDSTRO M : Goo d mornin g

, Joan

24 Sandstro m

. I' m no t a scientis t ; I' m no t a n attorne y

. I

25 jus t cam e her e becaus e I wan t t o explai n th e situation82

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- 2449 1 wher e I liv e an d wh y clea n ai r i s importan t t o m e

. I

2 liv e i n Magnoli a

, Texas

, i n Montgomer y Count y

. We ' re

3 abou t 4 5 mile s nort h o f Housto n

, mayb e 1 0 t o 1 2 miles

4 wes t o f th e Woodland s

. Th e are a i s growin g rapidl y

.

5 There ' s a highwa y widenin g wher e a subdivisio n i s going

6 in

, an d I liv e i n a subdivisio n

, tw o t o fiv e acres

. I

7 hav e a beautifu l propert y

, a nic e gree n law n surrounded

8 b y trees

, a littl e pon d

.

9 Un fortunatel y

, mos t o f th e tim e

, I ca n ' t

10 reall y e n jo y i t becaus e o f al l th e burnin g goin g o n

. My

11 neighbor s lov e t o bur n tree s

, an d ever y lea f tha t comes

12 of f a tre e

, the y bur n

. Las t Octobe r

, I file d a

13 complain t wit h th e Texa s Commissio n o f Environmental

14 Qualit y

. The y referre d i t t o th e Montgomer y County

15 Environmenta l Healt h Departmen t

, an d tha t complain t was

16 handle d b y a ver y nic e gentlema n

.

17 Howeve r

, i n th e en d

, h e tol d m e tha t i f I

18 di d no t hav e a documente d lun g diseas e

, an d becaus e of

19 th e amoun t o f loophole s

, ther e wa s reall y nothin g that

20 h e coul d do

, an d I wa s prett y mu c h jus t stuc k

. No w

,

21 tha t wa s las t Octobe r

, an d durin g tha t month

, I counted

22 1 6 day s wit h smok e i n th e ai r

. No w

, th e TCE Q we b page

23 doe s hav e guideline s fo r burnin g whic h suggest s no t to

24 bur n leave s becaus e the y creat e s o muc h smok e an d no t to

25 bur n unti l a n hou r afte r sunris e

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- 2449 1 Wel l

, there ' s

- - tha t ' s n o enforcemen t with

2 it

. M y neighbor s bur n afte r dar k

, an d th e proble m with

3 tha t i s tha t th e wind s di e dow n

, th e ai r becomes

4 saturate d wit h smoke

, an d i t does n' t clea r ou t unti l the

5 nex t da y whe n th e wind s pic k u p agai n

. No w

, sinc e I

6 decide d t o com e her e today

, I kep t a tall y agai n

. So

, I

7 ha d smok e a t m y hous e Januar y 16 t h

, 18 t h

, 19 t h

, 20 t h

,

8 21 s t

. W e ha d som e nic e day s o f rai n afte r tha t

, and

9 the n i t starte d agai n o n th e 2 6t h an d 2 8t h

.

10 No w

, t o pu t thi s i n anothe r perspectiv e

, if

11 I live d i n Austi n

, I ' d hav e t o hav e a permi t i n orde r to

12 bur n anythin g outsid e

. Sa n Francisc o

, Californi a

, which

13 i s m y hometow n

, ha s considere d bannin g an y woo d

- burning

14 stove s o r fireplace s becaus e o f th e particulate s that

15 ar e pu t int o th e ai r

. I hav e a quot e fro m D r

. Janice

16 Ki m

, ver y shor t

, sh e ' s wit h th e Californi a Offic e of

17 Environmenta l Healt h Hazar d Assessmen t

, an d sh e say s

,

18 quote

, w e kno w ther e ar e ver y toxi c component s i n the

19 woo d smok e

. Peopl e wh o bur n woo d ar e e x posing

20 themselve s

, thei r neighbor s

, an d thei r familie s to

21 harmfu l compound s

, includin g carcinogen s

.

22 Tha t' s th e en d o f th e quot e

. S o today

, I ' m

23 her e t o as k yo u wha t

- - wh y shoul d i t matte r wher e I

24 liv e

, wha t stat e o r wha t count y I ' m in

, i n orde r t o have

25 clea n ai r ? Wh y d o polluter s hav e a righ t t o th e air84

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- 2449 1 tha t everyon e aroun d the m ha s t o breath e

, an d wha t can

2 w e d o t o fi x thi s ? An d I thin k yo u hav e th e powe r to

3 pleas e hel p u s ou t

. Than k yo u

.

4 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

5 MS

. WISDO M : Goo d mornin g

, Christina

6 Wisdo m

. I' m a n attorne y

, an d I represen t th e Texas

7 Associatio n o f Manufacturer s

. Than k yo u fo r the

8 opportunit y t o testif y her e thi s mornin g

. TAM

9 represent s larg e an d smal l companie s employin g mor e than

10 89 4

, 00 0 Texan s

. Manufacture d good s accoun t fo r 94

. 6

11 percen t o f al l Texa s ex port s an d ha s bee n held

12 ( inaudibl e ) to p exportin g stat e i n th e U. S

. fo r several

13 consecutiv e years

.

14 TA M oppose s lowerin g bot h th e primar y and

15 secondar y ozon e standar d a t thi s tim e

. TA M agree s with

16 th e Texa s Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y

, tha t the

17 curren t ( inaudibl e ) standar d o f 7 5 part s pe r billio n is

18 protectiv e o f publi c healt h i n th e environmen t

.

19 Th e Dalla s / For t Wort h and

20 Housto n

- Galvesto n

- Missour i area s i n Texa s ar e still

21 workin g t o compl y wit h th e 19 9 7 standar d o f 8 0 part s per

22 billio n i n additio n t o th e curren t standar d o f 7 5 parts

23 pe r billio n

, an d th e Housto n ( inaudibl e ) no n attainment

24 are a i s stil l subjec t t o th e on e

- hou r ozon e standar d

.

25 An y a ttemp t t o mov e th e needl e an d lower85

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- 2449 1 th e ozon e standar d ye t agai n coul d actuall y di s courage

2 continuin g i nvestmen t

, pu t th e Texa s manufacturing

3 secto r a t a sever e economi c di s advantag e t o othe r areas

4 i n th e natio n

, an d effectivel y mov e furthe r i nvestment

5 ove r sea s

.

6 So

, dat a fro m TCE Q indicate s tha t fro m 20 0 0

7 t o 20 1 3

, ozon e level s i n Texa s d e crease d b y 2 4 percent

8 whil e th e averag e fo r al l othe r state s wa s only

9 1 2 percen t

. O f thos e reduction s o n a statewid e basis

,

10 ( inaudibl e ) reduce d NO x emission s b y 6 7 percen t an d V O C

11 emission s b y 5 2 percen t sinc e 19 9 7

. I n th e H GB

12 ( inaudibl e ) are a

, ( inaudibl e ) hav e reduce d NO x emissions

13 b y 8 5 percen t an d VO C emission s b y 4 8 percen t since

1 4 19 9 7

.

15 Base d o n th e mos t re cen t monitorin g data

16 fro m TCE Q

, lowerin g th e ozon e standard s t o a range

17 betwee n 6 5 an d 7 0 part s pe r billio n woul d pu t 17

18 additiona l Texa s countie s i n no n attainmen t

, mos t of

19 whic h heavil y populate d area s o f th e stat e wher e

, agai n

,

20 point s ( inaudibl e ) hav e alread y mad e dramati c reductions

21 i n NO x an d VO C emission s i n th e las t severa l years

.

22 Despit e th e billion s o f dollar s industry

23 ha s i n veste d t o reduc e thes e emission s sinc e 19 9 7

, the

24 Clea n Ai r Ac t put s th e ful l burden s o f complianc e with

25 th e ( inaudibl e ) Ac t o n th e back s o f poin t source s

. This86

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- 2449 1 i s fundamentall y u n fai r considerin g tha t mobil e source

2 emission s

, whic h ar e federall y preempte d b y E PA

, mak e up

3 th e majorit y o f NO x an d VO C emission s i n th e state ' s

4 no n attainmen t area s

.

5 Lowerin g ozon e standard s furthe r leaves

6 industr y wit h fe w option s fo r complianc e shor t of

7 shuttin g dow n o r idlin g facilitie s

. Notabl y

, th e Clean

8 Ai r Ac t require s EP A t o revie w th e NAAQ S ever y five

9 years

. I t doe s no t requir e yo u t o chang e th e NAAQS

10 ever y fiv e year s

. E P A doe s no t hav e t o lowe r th e ozone

11 standar d a t thi s tim e

, an d TM A strongl y urge s the m not

12 t o d o so

.

13 Mos t criticall y

, th e Clea n Ai r Ac t directs

14 EP A t o se t th e ozon e standar d a t a leve l tha t is

15 requisit e t o protec t th e publi c healt h an d further

16 direct s EP A t o re vis e an d promulgat e thes e standard s as

17 the y ma y b e appropriat e

. I t' s TA M' s positio n that

18 lowerin g th e standar d belo w th e curren t standar d o f 7 5

19 i s no t appropriat e becaus e i t i s no t requisit e to

20 protec t th e publi c healt h

. TCE Q ha s don e extensive

21 researc h o n lowerin g th e standar d a t thi s tim e an d has

22 conclude d tha t ther e wil l b e littl e o r n o publi c benefit

23 fro m lowerin g th e curren t standar d

.

24 I n fac t

, a t leas t 1 ou t o f 1 2 studies

25 confirme d b y EP A showe d u s tha t ( inaudibl e ) between87

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- 2449 1 lon g

- ter m exposur e t o ozon e an d earl y deat h

. Ye t this

2 singl e stud y i s use d b y EP A t o justif y lowerin g the

3 standar d a t thi s tim e

, despit e man y othe r studies

4 sho w in g tha t th e curren t standar d i s protectiv e of

5 publi c healt h

.

6 Th e mos t seriou s aspec t under lyin g the

7 proposa l i s th e Clea n Ai r Ac t mandat e tha t e x pressly

8 forbid s EP A fro m considerin g th e feasibilit y an d cos t of

9 attainin g a NAAQ S fo r ozon e o r an y othe r criteria

10 ( inaudibl e )

. I t follow s logicall y

, the n

, tha t EP A will

11 carefull y conside r lowerin g th e ozon e standar d an d would

12 d o s o onl y i f th e scienc e resolutel y support s doin g s o

.

13 Accordin g t o a stud y b y th e National

14 Associatio n o f Manufacturer s

, th e ne w ozon e regulations

15 ar e estimate d t o cos t Texa s alon e $ 4 8 billio n i n gross

16 stat e produc t fro m 2 0 1 4

- - fro m 2 01 7 t o 2 0 4 0 an d result

17 i n ove r 18 0

, 00 0 los t job s

. Thes e ar e staggerin g numbers

18 t o conside r

, giv e n tha t credibl e scientist s sa y that

19 directl y contradic t EP A scienc e an d th e tremendously

20 hig h cos t o f complianc e

, TA M feel s strongl y tha t E P A is

21 no t actin g i n th e bes t interes t o f th e natio n ' s health

22 o r econom y i f i t lower s th e standar d a t thi s tim e

.

23 Th e Texa s manufacturin g secto r routinely

24 spin s of f a minimu m o f fou r additiona l servic e secto r or

25 othe r relate d job s fo r eac h ne w manufacturin g jo b

. The88

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- 2449 1 Texa s jo b engin e i s to o critica l t o th e stat e and

2 nationa l econom y t o b e decimate d b y EP A ' s attemp t to

3 advanc e a prohibitivel y expensiv e

, fee l

- goo d agend a with

4 n o demonstrate d healt h benefit s

. Fo r thi s reaso n

, TAM

5 respectfull y urge s EP A no t t o mov e forwar d wit h this

6 ( inaudibl e ) curren t ozon e standar d

.

7 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

8 MS

. WISDO M : Than k yo u

.

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Christin e an d Richar d Guld i

.

10 MS

. GULD I : Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e is

11 Christin e Guld i

, an d I liv e i n Dalla s

. I ' m a membe r of

12 Sierr a Clu b

, a mothe r an d grandmothe r

, an d I woul d like

13 t o than k th e E P A

, al l o f yo u wh o wor k s o har d t o giv e us

14 ai r tha t i s a s clea n a s i t is

, becaus e I hav e n o doubt

15 tha t i t woul d b e muc h wors e i f yo u wer e no t workin g very

16 har d t o i mprov e i t

. Bu t I a m i n favo r o f stil l lower

17 standard s fo r th e ozon e level

.

18 Whe n I wa s growin g u p

, m y nex t door

19 neighbo r

, M r

. Clarenc e

, woul d rais e turkey s fo r the

20 Thanksgivin g marke t ever y yea r

, an d in variabl y

, whe n the

21 turkey s go t bi g enoug h

, the y woul d brea k ou t

, an d this

22 bi g her d o f turkey s woul d trampl e peopl e ' s garden s and

23 ea t thei r produc e an d n o on e

, includin g M r

. Clarenc e

,

24 doubte d tha t i t wa s hi s responsibilit y t o roun d u p those

25 turkey s an d kee p the m i n hi s yar d

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- 2449 1 Th e man y source s o f NO x i n th e Dalla s are a

,

2 no t jus t on e industr y

- - thi s include s th e peopl e who

3 driv e th e picku p truck s an d th e citie s tha t have

4 landfill s

. I kno w yo u kno w bette r tha n I wha t the

5 source s ar e

, bu t i t' s th ei r responsibilit y t o kee p their

6 ozon e producin g turkey s ou t o f th e garden s wher e people

7 ar e tryin g t o rais e childre n

. Than k yo u

.

8 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

9 MR

. GUDL I : I' m Richar d Gudli

. I ' m a

10 re tire d enginee r

. An d I als o wan t t o tel l yo u a story

11 abou t a somethin g

- yea r

- ol d experimen t I 'v e bee n involved

12 in

. I n 1 96 6

, I wen t t o visi t m y fathe r i n Roc k dal e

,

13 Texas

, wher e ther e i s a burnin g plan t tha t ha d no

14 pollutio n control s

, an d i f yo u fle w fro m Austi n to

15 Housto n

, yo u coul d se e th e smoke

. I f yo u drov e fro m any

16 directio n

, yo u coul d se e thi s smoke

, an d i f yo u got

17 there

, yo u coul d smel l th e smoke

.

18 An d whe n I go t there

, m y nos e starte d not

19 drippin g

, bu t jus t runnin g continuousl y

. An d I thin k I

20 wen t ther e 25 0 time s befor e tha t plan t go t shu t dow n

,

21 an d I do n ' t remembe r a singl e tim e tha t I was n' t

22 miserabl e

. I t wa s r e place d b y on e wit h goo d pollution

23 control s

. I coul d no t smel l th e coa l

, an d m y nose

24 did n' t dri p a singl e dri p

. 4 0 time s

, I thin k

, I went

25 ther e afterward s wit h n o proble m

. 25 0 time s befor e

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- 2449 1 flushin g nos e

. I t wa s jus t horribl e

. 4 0 time s wit h the

2 clea n plant

, pollutio n control s

, n o proble m

.

3 Tha t' s a grea t succes s stor y

, excep t we

4 hav e abou t fou r mor e o f thos e plant s wh o spe w their

5 poiso n ove r Texa s ever y da y

, an d we ' v e starte d fracking

6 al l ove r th e plac e s o tha t no w th e haz e start s in

7 Waxahachi e 4 0 mile s t o th e sout h an d goe s t o Oklahom a 6 0

8 mile s t o th e nort h

, a hundre d mile s o f haz e an d smo g

,

9 an d w e 'v e go t mor e tha n 9 millio n peopl e wh o liv e here

10 an d suffe r

.

11 Th e stor y o f m y famil y ' s distres s goe s on

,

12 becaus e no w w e hav e a 1 2

- yea r

- ol d granddaughte r who

13 live s i n Dalla s

. Sh e ha s asthm a

. Sometime s sh e ca n' t

14 g o t o schoo l

. Sometime s sh e ha s t o g o t o schoo l and

15 com e hom e

, an d sh e ca n' t sta y ther e becaus e he r asthma

16 i s to o ba d

. No w

, d o th e peopl e o f Texa s

, th e polluters

17 an d th e regulator s

, d o the y car e fo r Abb y ? No t on e bi t

.

18 Al l the y car e abou t i s ho w t o ge t aroun d whatever

19 regulation s w e hav e an d tel l u s everythin g i s oka y

, like

20 we ' r e hearin g thi s mornin g

, ho w t o pr e ven t further

21 regulation s

.

22 An d i t ' s s o ba d tha t th e chie f medical

23 office r

, Michae l Hone y cu tt

, say s

, do n' t worr y about

24 ozon e aler t day s

. Do n' t g o fo r a wal k

. Do n ' t rid e your

25 bik e

. Do n' t wal k t o you r grandchildre n an d pla y socce r

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- 2449 1 an d do n' t g o t o you r garde n

. Sta y hom e

. An d tha t makes

2 m e s o angry

, I ca n ' t tel l yo u

. Th e ai r i s a fundamental

3 huma n right

. N o pollute r

, n o lobbyis t

, n o governo r of

4 Texas

, n o T C EQ

, an d n o Koc h brother s wh o spend

5 $ 90 0 millio n t o wi n electio n s t o kee p thi s charad e going

6 hav e an y righ t t o tak e ou r clea n ai r fro m us

. W e wan t a

7 6 0 part s pe r billio n limit

, an d w e wan t i t no w

. Thank

8 yo u ver y muc h

.

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, w e have

10 Susybell e Gossle e an d Za c Traha n

.

11 MS

. GOSSLE E : Goo d mornin g

. I a m Susybelle

12 Gossle e

, an d I a m speakin g o n be hal f o f th e Leagu e of

13 Wome n Voter s o f Dalla s

. Th e leagu e support s clea n air

14 an d support s th e effort s o f th e Environmenta l Protection

15 Agenc y t o creat e clea n ai r wit h enforcemen t an d higher

16 standard s o f a leve l o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n an d other

17 action s

. Th e E PA ' s ai r monitorin g dat a find s tha t ozone

18 level s i n part s o f th e Metrople x hav e exceede d the

19 curren t E P A standar d o f 7 5 part s pe r billio n i n multiple

20 day s eac h summe r

.

21 I n ou r hottes t dr y summer s

, ozon e levels

22 hav e exceede d th e standar d o f 1 0 t o 2 0 day s

, sometimes

23 readin g 9 0 t o a hundre d part s pe r billio n

. Nort h Texas

24 doe s no t hav e a clea n ai r

- - doe s no t hav e clea n ai r

,

25 no r ha s a n hones t effor t bee n mad e t o clea n th e ai r

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- 2449 1 Th e resul t i s tha t man y American s hav e no t ha d positive

2 outcome s

, especiall y fo r thos e familie s wh o hav e los t a

3 love d on e

.

4 Ai r pollutio n cause s thousand s o f asthma

5 attack s an d emergenc y roo m visit s

, bu t tha t' s no t al l

.

6 Ai r pollutio n i s als o responsibl e fo r debilitatin g lung

7 diseas e

, hear t attack s

, damag e t o infant s ' and

8 childre n ' s developin g brain s

, robbin g the m o f I Q

. The n

,

9 there ' s cance r

, accordin g t o D r

. Wil l

, executive

10 directo r o f Physician s fo r Socia l Responsibilit y

. That

11 i s to o hig h a pric e fo r th e America n peopl e t o pa y

.

12 Ozon e i n th e stratospher e protect s the

13 earth

, bu t a t groun d level

, i t i s pollutio n

. Ozon e is

14 create d b y al l th e system s tha t yo u kno w an d ha s many

15 source s

. Al l ar e produce d a t numerou s sides

. Requiring

16 stricte r enforcemen t i n ou r standard s fo r fue l efficient

17 automobile s an d truck s wil l creat e cleane r ai r fo r our

18 are a

. A ca r sittin g i n th e su n emit s hug e amount s of

19 toxin s

, eve n i f th e engin e i s no t runnin g

. I n addition

20 t o enforcemen t an d highe r standard s

, tr ansportation

21 choice s i n th e are a affec t ai r qualit y

.

22 Th e Leagu e support s transportatio n choices

23 tha t emphasiz e rapi d mas s transi t an d fewe r road s

, which

24 wil l lea d t o reduce d pollutio n

, lowe r numbe r o f children

25 wit h asthm a

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- 2449 1 outcome s

. Ga s i s a majo r proble m

. Ga s evaporatio n is

2 almos t a s ba d a s a ca r i n motio n

. Natura l ga s has

3 negativ e im pact s wit h methan e

, jus t t o nam e on e

, and

4 thi s need s t o b e addresse d

.

5 Natura l ga s facilitie s

, storag e tank s

,

6 flare s i n th e Barnet t Shal e leav e a toughe r standar d to

7 im prov e publi c healt h

. Th e V O C s fro m drillin g account

8 fo r mor e VO C s tha n al l o n

- th e

- roa d vehicle s

, according

9 t o som e o f th e newes t researc h

. Wh y shoul d th e cos t of

10 pollute d ai r b e shifte d fro m companie s tha t pollute

11 childre n an d caus e dir e effect s o n othe r America n

- -

12 vulnerabl e American s ?

13 Th e coa l plant s ar e anothe r bi g proble m

.

14 Coa l plant s shoul d b e hel d responsibl e fo r their

15 emission s

. 6 8 percen t o f th e tim e

, th e win d i n th e D F W

16 are a i s fro m th e southeas t

. Thi s southeas t win d brings

17 i n ai r pollutio n fro m Bi g Brow n Coa l

, Marti n Lak e

, and

18 Monticell o int o thi s are a

. Man y youn g peopl e of

19 childbearin g ag e ar e movin g int o Dalla s Count y

. Dallas

20 Count y ' s populatio n ha s grow n a t a faste r rat e since

21 20 1 0 tha n i t di d i n th e decad e fro m 20 0 0 t o 2 01 0

.

22 Al l peopl e

, especiall y childre n

, are

23 particularl y vulnerabl e t o ozon e pollutio n

. The

24 populatio n i n th e DF W / Arlingto n regio n gre w mor e than

25 an y othe r are a i n th e countr y betwee n 2 01 1 an d ' 12

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- 2449 1 Ther e ar e million s o f peopl e o f al l age s wh o wil l be

2 affecte d b y th e clea n ai r tha t yo u ca n hel p creat e

.

3 Un fortunatel y

, plane s ar e als o a big

4 pollute r

, bu t airport s ar e exemp t fro m th e clea n air

5 standard s

. Doe s thi s nee d t o continu e whe n i t is

6 killin g peopl e ? W e mus t sto p th e poo r transportation

7 choice s w e mad e t o allo w expansio n o f ga s

- powered

8 engine s b y e x tendin g th e road s a s th e onl y choice s of

9 trave l

. Eve n ga s

- powere d lea f blower s an d law n mowers

10 ar e a bi g proble m a s the y ar e anothe r sourc e o f o zon e

.

11 American s ca n b e educate d abou t th e effect

12 o f thes e individua l choice s

. Th e Leagu e seek s t o bring

13 America n ' s promis e t o protec t clea n ai r an d public

14 healt h embodie d i n th e highl y successfu l an d popular

15 Clea n Ai r Ac t

. W e 'r e concerne d abou t th e attack s o n the

16 EP A an d healt h protection s

. An y action s fro m updating

17 Clea n Ai r Ac t protection s o r an y dela y o n be hal f o f the

18 administratio n t o a voi d implementin g ne w clea n ai r and

19 industria l pollutio n requirement s i s a n attac k o n the

20 healt h o f ou r childre n an d familie s

, plai n an d simpl e

.

21 MR

. NIEBLIN G : You r tim e ha s expire d

.

22 Pleas e conclud e you r remark s

.

23 MR

. GULD I : Oka y

. U n fortunatel y

, Chin a is

24 a n exampl e o f wha t coul d happe n

. I t i s no t farfetched

25 t o imagin e tha t i n th e futur e

, ever y chil d

, eve n every95

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- 2449 1 perso n i n ou r regio n

, ha s t o wea r a fac e mas k t o protect

2 themselve s

, thei r hear t an d lung s fro m in tolerably

3 pollute d ai r

. Than k yo u fo r you r attentio n

.

4 MR

. TRAHA N : M y nam e i s Za c Traha n

, an d I

5 wor k wit h th e Texa s Campaig n fo r th e Environmen t her e in

6 DF W

. Thank s fo r thi s opportunit y t o spea k

. Her e' s the

7 proble m

. W e liv e i n Texas

, an d ou r stat e doesn ' t look

8 ou t fo r u s

. Yo u jus t hear d i t fro m th e Texas

9 Associatio n o f Manufacture s

. Ou r stat e agenc y agrees

10 wit h th e industr y

. Whe n i t come s t o ou r healt h an d air

11 an d wate r qualit y

, ou r Stat e ( inaudibl e ) industr y above

12 th e publi c healt h an d environment s

.

13 Tha t mean s th e protection s tha t w e d o have

14 com e a s a resul t o f loca l ordinance s o r federal

15 mandate s

, an d no w ou r governo r ha s declare d tha t he

16 want s t o preemp t al l o f ou r loca l ordinance s

. That

17 leave s federa l mandate s a s ou r protectio n

.

18 Ozon e pollutio n i s a grea t exampl e o f thi s

.

19 Severa l place s

, includin g D FW

, w e 'v e neve r eve n come

20 clos e t o mee t in g th e ol d 8 0 part s pe r billion

21 ( inaudibl e ) t o mak e tha t happe n

. Eve n wit h enforced

22 nationa l la w

, w e onl y me t tha t standar d thi s pas t cool

23 summe r i n Texa s

, an d we ' v e no t eve r me t th e ( inaudibl e )

24 7 5 part s pe r billio n standar d

.

25 Righ t no w

, th e Texa s Environmental96

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- 2449 1 Protectio n Agenc y i s suppose d t o b e ( inaudibl e ) a plant

2 ( inaudibl e ) federa l governmen t

, explainin g ho w i t plans

3 t o compl y wit h thi s curren t ( inaudibl e )

, an d th e Stat e ' s

4 pla n i s t o tr y t o com e clos e enoug h t o 7 5 part s per

5 billio n

, an d no t b y forcin g industrie s t o reduc e this

6 ai r pollutio n

, bu t b y waitin g fo r ne w federa l rule s on

7 clea n burnin g fue l i n automobile s t o reduc e ( inaudibl e )

.

8 Industrie s suc h a s th e ( inaudibl e ) power

9 plant s o r oi l an d ga s drillin g an d processin g facilities

10 ar e essentiall y usin g th e ai r w e breath e ( inaudibl e )

,

11 dumpin g

, yo u kno w

, fre e disposabl e ( inaudibl e ) air

12 pollutio n a t th e cos t o f ou r econom y

, ou r healt h

, here

13 i n Texas

.

14 Th e Stat e wil l neve r mak e thes e companies

15 reduc e thei r ai r pollutio n

. Tha t mean s ( inaudibl e ) if

16 EP A actuall y reduce s ( inaudibl e ) th e ozon e standar d to

17 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. Settin g tha t ne w ozon e standard

18 wil l forc e industrie s t o vastl y reduc e th e ai r pollution

19 fro m poin t source s

, an d thes e companie s wil l hav e to

20 in stal l som e o f th e sam e pollutio n contro l technologies

21 tha t the y 'r e alread y usin g i n som e citie s her e an d other

22 part s o f th e countr y an d othe r part s o f th e worl d

,

23 becaus e ther e' s place s tha t g o abov e an d beyon d th e bare

24 minimu m protection s

.

25 Her e i n D FW

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- 2449 1 a n exampl e o f thi s

. Som e citie s requir e the m t o use

2 electri c ( inaudibl e ) t o reduc e ai r pollutio n

, an d most

3 do n 't

. No w

, whe n the y ru n o n diese l o r ga s engine s

,

4 the y ca n spe w ton s o f toxi c ai r pollutio n an d ozone

5 pr e cursor s

. An d i n fac t

, th e frackin g ( inaudibl e ) is

6 on e reaso n wh y we ' v e stalle d ou t o n an y progres s in

7 movin g forwar d o n reducin g ozon e pollutio n ( inaudibl e )

.

8 Bu t th e stat e environmenta l agenc y will

9 neve r requir e the m t o actuall y al l mov e ove r t o electric

10 compresso r engine s t o reduc e ai r pollutio n

. An d people

11 tha t liv e nea r thes e facilitie s

, obviousl y

, deserve

12 clea n ai r t o breath e

, an d everyon e livin g i n DF W

13 ( inaudibl e ) deserv e no t t o b e treate d a s secon d class

14 citizen s whe n i t come s t o clea n ai r

. Thi s i s jus t one

15 exampl e

. Ther e ar e man y mor e lik e i t

.

16 W e atten d th e stat e implementatio n plant

17 mee t ing s her e i n Arlingto n

, an d w e se e tha t th e state

18 environmenta l agenc y explai n in g wh y the y do n ' t pla n on

19 requirin g pollutio n control s

. An d i t' s reall y amazing

20 ho w the y ca n kee p a straigh t fac e whe n the y sa y that

21 thing s an d pollutio n contro l technologie s tha t are

22 alread y i n us e i n som e part s o f thi s regio n an d the

23 countr y canno t possibl y b e require d fo r other s

.

24 I f yo u 'r e no t payin g reall y close

25 attentio n

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- 2449 1 betwee n a stat e environmenta l agenc y an d a n industry

2 representativ e

, becaus e the y us e th e exac t sam e words

3 an d argument s t o argu e agains t an y ne w pollutio n control

4 technologie s

.

5 I n fac t

, her e ar e som e direc t quote s

.

6 " Furthe r lowerin g th e ozon e standar d wil l fai l to

7 provid e an y measurabl e i n creas e i n huma n health

8 protectio n

. I haven ' t see n th e dat a tha t say s lowering

9 ozon e wil l produc e healt h benefit s

. I n fac t

, I ' v e seen

10 dat a tha t show s i t wil l hav e a negativ e healt h i m pac t

.

11 Th e resul t s o f thes e studie s ar e in consisten t

, an d it

12 re main s u nclea r i f ozon e i s trul y relate d t o in creas e d

13 healt h defect s

. "

14 So

, whic h o f thes e statement s d o yo u think

15 cam e fro m a n industr y representativ e

, suc h a s Texas

16 Associatio n o f Manufacturer s

, an d whic h d o yo u think

17 cam e fro m th e Texa s Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y ?

18 Th e answe r i s al l thre e o f the m cam e fro m th e TCE Q

. How

19 i s i t tha t th e stat e environmenta l agenc y tha t doe s not

20 believ e tha t ozon e cause s healt h impact s ma y b e expec t ed

21 t o en forc e standard s t o reduc e th e ozon e pollutio n

.

22 Wh y woul d the y i f the y do n ' t believe

23 ( inaudibl e ) healt h ? Tha t' s wh y federa l mandate s hav e to

24 b e i n plac e t o protec t peopl e ' s healt h

, an d i f th e EP A

25 decid e s t o kee p th e 7 5 part s pe r billio n standar d or99

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- 2449 1 lowe r i t t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n

, th e state

2 environmenta l agenc y an d industr y wil l continu e stating

3 a lon g th e exac t sam e wa y the y ' v e bee n ( inaudibl e ) alon g

.

4 Bu t i f yo u se t tha t lowe r a t 6 0 part s pe r billio n

, that

5 actuall y force s industrie s t o acknowledg e control

6 technologie s tha t ar e feasibl e

, tha t ar e economically

7 feasibl e

, tha t wil l hel p th e econom y i n Texa s

, no t hurt

8 it

. An d tha t' s wha t we ' r e askin g yo u t o d o

. S o

, thanks

9 ver y muc h fo r bein g her e toda y

, an d w e suppor t the

10 stronges t standar d tha t ' s unde r consideratio n

.

11 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Nex t

,

12 w e invit e Core y Troian i

, an d o n dec k

, Hecto r River o from

13 TC C

.

14 MR

. TROIAN I : H i

. Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e ' s

15 Core y Troian i

. I liv e i n Dalla s

. I ' m als o a community

16 organize r wit h Texa s Campaig n fo r th e Environmen t

.

17 Thank s fo r openin g you r proverbia l ea r t o u s her e in

18 nort h Texas

. S o

, I' m a Texa s bor n residen t

. I ' v e lived

19 her e abou t 2 4 year s i n wha t w e cal l a no n attainment

20 zon e

. W e do n' t achiev e adequat e ai r qualit y for

21 anybod y

, especiall y durin g summe r month s

.

22 So

, I wan t t o tal k t o yo u abou t public

23 healt h

, an d becaus e invariabl y

, i n meeting s suc h as

24 these

, industr y wil l sho w u p an d touc h a littl e bi t on

25 economic s

, to o

. S o

, smo g kill s peopl e

, yo u kno w tha t

,COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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- 2449 100

1 especiall y littl e peopl e wit h developin g bodie s

, kills

2 the m

. Everyon e i n thi s roo m know s someon e wit h a

3 respirator y illnes s

, I' m guessin g

, an d mos t peopl e have

4 witnesse d somebod y sufferin g o r dyin g o f suc h an

5 illnes s

.

6 So

, I remembe r whe n I wa s te n year s ol d

,

7 on e o f m y firs t slee p over s a t on e o f m y frien d ' s house

8 durin g th e summe r

, h e wok e u p i n th e middl e o f th e night

9 an d ha d a n asthm a attac k

, an d I reall y did n' t kno w what

10 t o do

, bu t I wok e u p hi s mo m an d

, thankfull y

, sh e was

11 abl e t o ge t t o hi m wit h th e nebulize r technolog y tha t we

12 hav e

, an d sh e wa s abl e t o sav e hi s lif e

. An d I ' l l spare

13 th e d e tail s ho w tha t affect s m e becaus e yo u' l l probably

14 hea r i t ove r an d ove r

, becaus e i t happen s million s of

15 times

, an d i t ha s

- - i n m y lifetim e

, i t ' s happene d

- -

16 tha t stor y ha s happene d million s o f time s i n th e United

17 State s alon e

.

18 An d i t ' s wel l studie d

. I mea n

, th e smo g

,

19 it ' s ver y wel l understoo d

. I gre w u p thinkin g tha t smog

20 wa s lik e smok e an d fo g o r somethin g

, bu t lik e

, it

21 smell s

- - w e kno w wha t i t doe s

. There ' s a lo t of

22 medica l scienc e

, an d scientist s ar e goin g t o spea k with

23 yo u toda y an d tel l yo u wha t i t doe s

. Th e America n Lung

24 Associatio n support s a 6 0 part s pe r billio n standar d

.

25 The y als o sa y tha t smo g i s lik e gettin g a sunbur n inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 you r lung s

. Th e America n Hear t Associatio n linke d smog

2 wit h ( inaudibl e ) deat h o f th e hear t i n 20 1 0

. I t ' s been

3 furthe r verifie d

. An d th e broade r metric s ar e clea r

.

4 Th e Europea n Unio n ha s a standar d o f 6 0

.

5 Canad a ha s 6 3

. S o

, wh y

, wh y i s ther e smo g i n north

6 Texas ? I gues s yo u probabl y alread y kno w

. I t' s

7 tai lpipe s ; i t' s frackin g

, car s

, industr y fo r th e most

8 par t

. S o

, I brough t a technica l pape r fo r yo u guy s who

9 probabl y lik e readin g the m

. I d o

, to o

. S o

, it ' s about

10 frackin g

. I t talk s abou t

- - i t' s publishe d i n 2 00 9 and

11 i t talk s abou t th e effect s o f ai r pollutio n cause d b y a

12 significan t in creas e i n th e ozon e are a i n th e Barnett

13 Shale

. S o tha t ' s interestin g

.

14 Le t ' s se e

. Yea h

, so

, I mea n

, ther e ar e a

15 lo t o f peopl e wh o fee l th e sam e wa y tha t Za c Trahan

16 feels

, wh o jus t spok e

. Yo u kno w

, th e T CE Q an d th e Texas

17 Railroa d Commissio n does n' t regulat e railroad s

, bu t it

18 regulate s oi l an d ga s

. The y ar e wha t w e

- - yo u kno w

,

19 wha t a lo t o f peopl e lik e t o cal l industr y la p dog s

.

20 The y jus t d o whateve r industr y tell s the m t o do

, and

21 the y sa y whateve r industr y say s the y shoul d sa y

.

22 So

, w e d o nee d you r hel p

. W e absolutely

23 ar e seekin g you r organizatio n t o brin g a bette r federal

24 standar d t o protec t peopl e ' s live s

. I ' l l thro w another

25 quot e ou t ther e fro m th e T E C Q wh o say s

, " Ozon e i s anCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 outdoo r ai r pollutan t becaus e system s suc h a s air

2 conditionin g r e mov e i t fro m indoo r ai r

. Sinc e most

3 peopl e spen d mor e tha n 9 0 percen t o f thei r tim e in door s

,

4 w e shoul d n' t b e concerne d abou t i t. " S o interesting

5 thing

, T E CQ

.

6 So

, I mea n

, kee p i n min d tha t yo u 'r e going

7 t o hea r fro m a lo t o f concerne d citizen s

, citizen

8 scientist s

, medica l scientist s

, an d s o on

. Yo u ' r e also

9 goin g t o hea r fro m th e industr y

, particularl y oi l and

10 ga s industr y an d heav y pollutin g industrie s

. S o

, I want

11 t o jus t touc h o n economic s fo r jus t a secon d her e

.

12 Ther e ar e a lo t o f industrie s i n th e Unite d State s that

13 ar e bein g negativel y affecte d b y ozone

. Ther e ar e a lot

14 o f businesse s tha t ar e negativel y affecte d b y ozon e

, and

15 jus t becaus e yo u' r e hearin g th e oi l an d ga s industry

16 cryin g t o yo u abou t ho w thei r busines s i s goin g t o be

17 affecte d i f the y hav e t o spen d a fe w extr a dollar s on

18 pollutio n contro l

, does n ' t mea n i t ove r al l hurts

19 busines s

.

20 I n fac t

, I hav e anothe r stud y her e

- - I

21 did n' t pa y $ 3 9 t o d o th e whol e thin g

. I' l l le t yo u guys

22 pa y fo r tha t

, bu t I hav e th e abstrac t

, an d i t basically

23 tell s tha t i t wa s release d i n Decembe r o f las t yea r and

24 sa y s tha t w e los e billion s o f dollar s a yea r i n crop

25 failur e du e t o smo g

. S o

, ther e ma y no t b e a lo t ofCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 farmer s her e toda y

, bu t thes e paper s ca n spea k fo r them

2 i f the y' r e no t her e

. Smo g affect s busines s

.

3 An d s o pu t m e o n recor d wit h th e deman d for

4 6 0 part s pe r billio n

, absolutel y

. I ca n' t tel l yo u how

5 muc h I ' d rathe r b e o n th e othe r sid e o f th e tabl e to

6 protec t ou r futur e an d ou r econom y

, s o absolutel y thank

7 yo u fo r yo u wor k

. I wis h I coul d b e yo u makin g this

8 kin d o f decisio n

, an d than k yo u fo r makin g th e standard

9 o f safet y

.

10 DR

. PACHEC O : Ye s

, goo d mornin g

. I ' m

11 Dr

. Susa n Pachec o

, a pediatricia n

. I wor k a t the

12 Universit y o f Texa s Healt h Scienc e Cente r

. I a m i n the

13 environmenta l

- - loo k a t m e

- - se e

, i f I star t talking

14 i n Spanis h

, pleas e forgiv e me

, I jus t ge t excite d

. But

15 th e Counse l o f th e America n Academ y o f Pediatri c s

. I am

16 i n th e leadershi p wit h th e America n Lun g Associatio n and

17 wit h th e Mom s Clea n Ai r Force

. No w

, befor e I star t

, I

18 wan t yo u t o mee t a patien t o f min e

. Hi s nam e i s her e

.

19 Wha t i s you r nam e ?

20 MR

. BECKWORT H : Ale x Beckwort h

.

21 DR

. PACHEC O : An d wh y ar e yo u her e ?

22 MR

. BECKWORT H : Becaus e I hav e asthm a

.

23 DR

. PACHEC O : An d ca n yo u tel l m e wha t do

24 yo u hav e i n you r backpac k ? I ' m sorr y

, it ' s Alexande r

.

25 An d wh y ar e yo u her e ?COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 MR

. BECKWORT H : Becaus e I hav e asthm a

.

2 DR

. PACHEC O : An d ca n yo u tel l the m what

3 yo u hav e

- - carr y i n you r backpac k al l th e tim e ?

4 MR

. BECKWORT H : ( Inaudibl e )

5 DR

. PACHEC O : S o anywa y

, I a m a

6 pediatricia n

, an d I a m a n advocat e

, an d thi s i s Ale x

.

7 He ' s

- - wel l

, I a m hi s advocat e

, an d I a m th e advocate

8 o f thousand s o f childre n acros s th e U. S

. tha t have

9 problem s becaus e o f smo g issue s

, an d I nee d t o mention

10 somethin g tha t on e o f m y friend s tha t cam e befor e me

11 sai d

. Whe n i t come s t o healt h

, th e wor d

, "u n fai r " does

12 no t appl y

. An d tha t i f w e loo k a t evidenc e

- base d dat a

,

13 there ' s hundred s an d hundred s o f article s tha t prove

14 tha t ozon e i s detrimenta l t o th e healt h

.

15 No w

, i n th e cas e o f Ale x an d hi s siste r

,

16 wh o ' s bac k ther e

, h e ha s ( inaudibl e )

, a ver y

- - it ' s not

17 a commo n conditio n

, bu t hi s bod y canno t r e pai r injury

18 th e sam e wa y tha t mos t o f u s ca n

, an d wha t happen s to

19 hi m

, fo r exampl e

, whe n h e breathe s pollute d ai r i s that

20 there ' s inflammatio n i n hi s lung s tha t h e canno t solv e

.

21 S o anywa y

, I jus t wan t t o brin g th e words

22 " oxidativ e stres s " an d " inflammatio n " becaus e wha t it

23 als o doe s i n ou r ai r way s i s i t reduce s oxidativ e stress

24 an d tha t ( inaudibl e ) proces s tha t does n ' t sta y i n the

25 lung s bu t i s disseminate d

. S o

, wha t I wan t t o shareCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 wit h u s toda y i s thre e reason s wh y I thin k tha t w e need

2 t o implemen t stricte r ozon e guideline s

.

3 Th e numbe r on e i s tha t I wan t t o mov e a way

4 fro m asthm a becaus e w e alway s tal k abou t asthm a

, but

5 ther e ar e man y healt h condition s i n th e populatio n where

6 there ' s alread y oxidativ e damag e an d sever e lun g damage

7 an d tha t w e hav e no t considere d i n th e equatio n

, and

8 it ' s ou r kid s wit h cance r an d cysti c fibrosi s

, kid s that

9 hav e immun o deficienc y

. W e do n ' t thin k abou t tha t

. If

10 yo u thin k abou t thi s

, thi s i s a cumulativ e proces s

.

11 I hav e bee n disturbe d

, an d I wil l sa y this

12 eve n thoug h yo u ar e m y friend s

, E PA

, becaus e o f the

13 emphasi s tha t w e pu t i n th e secondar y standard s

, an d I ' m

14 goin g t o quot e th e statemen t

, an d th e thin g tha t I think

15 i s grea t i s tha t w e hav e a n approac h whe n i t come s to

16 secondar y standard s

. W e do n' t hav e tha t fo r childre n

,

17 an d I thin k tha t i s somethin g tha t w e hav e t o conside r

.

18 Bu t I

- - thi s i s i n th e 20 0 8 documen t from

19 EP A sayin g tha t whe n w e se t th e secondar y standard s

, we

20 shoul d conside r th e processe s a t th e leve l i n the

21 system s

, an d I wan t u s t o conside r tha t whe n w e talk

22 abou t childre n

, becaus e als o thi s affect s no t onl y the

23 lungs

, bu t affect s als o complet e developmen t

. Different

24 t o adult s

, childre n ar e ex pose d t o

- - I 'v e bee n ex posed

25 fo r I do n ' t kno w ho w man y year s

. Thes e littl e monkeysCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 tha t I hav e her e wer e e x pose d i n uter o an d ca n be

2 ex pose d throug h ou r ow n othe r lif e

, an d thei r body

3 system s ar e developin g an d it ' s somethin g tha t w e have

4 t o conside r

.

5 No w

, th e mos t pressin g issu e tha t I bring

6 her e i s tha t man y time s

- - actuall y

, ther e ' s very

7 clearcu t dat a

, ver y goo d article s publishe d r e cently

8 fro m ( inaudibl e )

, an d the y ar e fro m Mexic o Cit y wher e we

9 hav e see n tha t ( inaudibl e )

, wha t thos e

- - thi s i s

- - it

10 break s th e linin g o f you r ai r way s

, s o tha t give s room

11 fo r mor e particle s t o ente r i n t o ou r bodie s

. That

12 proces s i s inflammatio n withi n ou r lung s

, wit h heart

13 diseas e an d CO P D fo r th e pediatri c populatio n

. W e have

14 activatio n o f th e immun e syste m

. W e hav e ( inaudibl e )

15 proces s i n th e brai n tha t w e kno w tha t ca n cause

16 cognitiv e change s an d structura l ab normalitie s i n the

17 brain

.

18 An d somethin g tha t i s ver y worrisom e is

19 tha t w e ca n eve n se e pr e

- Alzheime r ' s change s i n people

20 ex pose d t o hig h level s o f ozon e

. S o anywa y

, I

21 completel y suppor t th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n an d I

22 appreciat e you r consideratio n o f thes e issue s

.

23 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

24 up

, Hecto r River o

.

25 MR

. RIVER O : Goo d mornin g

. M y nam e isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Hecto r River o

. I ' m th e presiden t o f Texa s Chemical

2 Counci l

. TC C i s a statewid e ( inaudibl e ) associatio n

,

3 representin g 7 0 chemica l manufacturer s operatin g about

4 20 0 manufacturin g researc h facilitie s acros s th e stat e

.

5 Additionall y

, w e represen t almos t 5 0 0 larg e an d small

6 businesse s wh o depen d o n industr y fo r thei r livelihood s

.

7 TC C membe r companie s provid e approximately

8 70

, 00 0 direc t job s an d ove r 40 0, 00 0 in direc t job s

.

9 Togethe r

, ou r industr y manufacture s thousand s of

10 product s an d medicine s tha t i m prov e th e qualit y o f life

11 fo r American s an d peopl e aroun d th e world

. W e' r e here

12 toda y t o expres s ou r oppositio n t o EP A ' s proposa l to

13 lowe r th e ozon e Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standar d s

.

14 W e believ e tha t th e existin g E P A ozone

15 standar d o f 7 5 part s pe r billio n wil l continu e to

16 provid e ampl e protectio n o f publi c healt h

. T C C also

17 believe s i n appropriat e pee r

- reviewe d

, soun d scienc e and

18 doe s no t believ e tha t th e scientifi c evidenc e provided

19 clearl y support s th e furthe r loa d o f thi s ozon e standard

20 a t thi s tim e

.

21 Instea d

, w e ar e i n concer t wit h th e states

22 t o focu s o n full y implementin g an d attainin g the

23 existin g ozon e standar d befor e adoptin g an y lower

24 standar d

. Th e curren t U .S

. shal e econom y ha s create d a

25 manufacturin g renaissanc e i n ou r countr y

, generatin g newCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 economi c in vestmen t an d jo b growt h opportunitie s

. To

2 dat e

, ther e hav e bee n hundred s o f announce d projects

3 wit h billion s o f dollar s i n potentia l i nvestmen t i n the

4 Stat e o f Texa s an d acros s th e countr y

. Thi s in vestment

5 wil l resul t i n thousand s o f ne w permanen t job s an d tens

6 o f thousand s o f i n direc t job s i n constructio n an d the

7 suppl y chai n her e i n th e Unite d State s

.

8 Th e pr opose d E P A ozon e standar d wil l have

9 a n economi c in vestmen t i n Texa s an d woul d considerably

10 slo w o r eve n falte r ne w project s an d expansion s

,

11 negativel y i m pactin g job s i n th e product s an d materials

12 enterin g th e stream s o f commerc e acros s th e countr y

. In

13 orde r t o maintai n th e growt h w e' r e currently

14 experiencin g an d th e jo b growt h

, w e nee d t o e n sure

15 sound

, stabl e

, an d predictabl e regulator y policie s that

16 d o no t i m pos e u n necessar y barrier s t o growt h i n our

17 secto r

.

18 Instea d

, EP A shoul d focu s o n fully

19 implementin g an d attainin g th e existin g ozon e standards

20 befor e adoptin g an y lowe r standar d

. Retai n in g the

21 curren t standar d provide s th e continue d protectio n of

22 huma n healt h an d th e environmen t withou t impedin g the

23 welfar e o f th e natio n an d ou r econom y

. Th e Housto n area

24 i s hom e t o th e larges t ( inaudibl e ) i n th e Unite d State s

,

25 mor e tha n 6 millio n peopl e

, an d a n econom y tha t isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 currentl y thrivin g exponentiall y

.

2 Eve n wit h thi s growt h

, th e ai r qualit y in

3 th e Housto n an d Galvesto n ( inaudibl e ) nonattainmen t area

4 ha s i m prove d significantl y an d continue s t o i mprov e due

5 t o voluntar y an d existin g regulator y program s

. Our

6 industr y alon e ha s i n veste d ove r $ 5 millio n t o reduce

7 NO x emission s b y ove r 8 0 percen t i n th e H E B

8 no n attainmen t are a fro m stationar y source s

. Howeve r

,

9 mobil e source s continu e t o b e th e majo r contributo r to

10 th e tota l emissio n inventor y fo r th e are a

, whic h are

11 preempte d b y th e federa l regulation s fo r th e state s

.

12 Despit e th e progres s mad e

, th e Housto n area

13 remain s no n attainmen t a t th e curren t 7 5 part s per

14 billio n standar d

. Th e pr o pose d standar d woul d no t only

15 negativel y i m pac t busines s growt h i n th e majorit y of

16 countie s

, bu t wil l creat e ne w re stric t ion s o n business

17 growt h an d economi c developmen t i n ever y are a o f the

18 stat e tha t woul d b e a no n attainmen t unde r th e proposed

19 ne w standar d

.

20 Currentl y

, ther e ar e 1 8 Texa s countie s at

21 no n attainmen t unde r th e curren t standar d

. Shoul d E P A

22 lowe r th e standar d t o 6 5 part s pe r billio n

, ever y major

23 populate d count y o f th e stat e woul d b e designate d as

24 no n attainmen t

, accordin g t o researc h conducte d b y the

25 Nationa l Associatio n o f Manufacture s

. NonattainmentCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 statu s result s i n in crease d operatin g cos t s

, permitting

2 delay s

, restricte d busines s expansio n

, an d i m pact

3 economi c activit y an d growt h

.

4 EP A shoul d als o tak e int o consideratio n the

5 curren t technolog y limitation s unde r pr opose d new

6 standard s

. EP A ' s ow n analysi s indicate s tha t a

7 significan t percentag e o f ne w emissio n reduction s needed

8 wil l b e derive d fro m currentl y u n know n control s

. This

9 place s state s an d poin t source s i n a positio n o f trying

10 t o achiev e require d reduction s wit h control s and

11 technologie s tha t currentl y d o no t exis t

. This

12 ( inaudibl e ) sourc e o f emission s wil l continu e to

13 dominat e th e tota l emission s inventor y

.

14 I n conclusio n

, w e urg e E P A t o seriously

15 conside r retainin g 7 5 part s pe r billio n standar d and

16 allo w ful l implementatio n an d attainmen t o f th e current

17 standar d acros s th e U .S

. prio r t o movin g th e goa l line

18 an y furthe r

. Unde r th e curren t standar d

, w e can

19 sufficientl y continu e t o provid e fo r th e protectio n of

20 ou r natio n

, publi c

, an d economi c healt h

. Than k yo u for

21 you r tim e an d consideratio n o f ou r companie s

.

22 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

23 DR

. KISSE L : Than k yo u fo r allowin g m e to

24 speak

. M y nam e i s Joh n Kisse l

. I' m a re tire d physician

25 fro m S t

. Louis

. W e' r e intereste d i n thi s issue

, to o

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1 An d I ' m a graduat e o f Harvar d Medica l Schoo l

, board

2 certifie d i n interna l medicin e

, fello w o f th e American

3 Colleg e o f Physicia n s

. Bu t I ' m her e reall y becaus e I

4 hav e childre n an d grandchildre n

, a s s o man y peopl e

, and

5 I' m her e t o urg e yo u t o protec t the m

, becaus e the y very

6 muc h nee d you r goo d office s

.

7 I wan t t o tel l yo u abou t m y granddaughte r

,

8 Addie

, wh o i s m y younges t granddaughte r

. Sh e wa s born

9 prematurel y a t 2. 2 pound s

, an d a t tha t

, sh e ha d abou t a

10 7 5 percen t chanc e o f survivin g

, abou t a 5 0 /5 0 chanc e of

11 survivin g withou t seriou s medica l problem s

, an d sh e was

12 bor n

- - w e' v e alway s wondere d

- - sinc e it ' s clea r from

13 dat a no w tha t i n crease d ozon e level s i n creas e the

14 ris k

- - w e alway s wondere d whethe r i t wa s a facto r being

15 bor n pr e matur e

.

16 Bu t w e kno w fro m clea r cu t studie s that

17 bein g prematur e i n crease s th e ris k o f a serious

18 respirator y problem s an d tha t tha t' s compoun d i f she

19 live s i n a n are a wher e ther e ar e hig h ozon e level s

. It

20 als o put s he r a t increase d ris k o f respiratory

21 infection s

, whic h ca n precipitat e i n a chil d lik e he r

.

22 So

, th e goo d new s i s tha t sh e ' s health y

.

23 Th e ba d new s i s tha t tw o year s ag o

, she

24 move d wit h he r famil y her e t o Dalla s

. St

. Loui s has

25 chronicall y bee n a no n attainmen t ozon e standar d

, bu t itCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 currentl y i s i n margina l attainmen t

. Dalla s are a

, of

2 cours e

, b y th e tim e sh e go t her e

, jus t go t ou t o f a

3 seriou s no n attainmen t categor y int o a moderate

4 nonattainmen t categor y

, s o w e worr y abou t he r ever y time

5 sh e get s a sniffl e

. Tha t' s somethin g seriou s

.

6 So

, sh e an d I ar e her e t o than k yo u for

7 pr o posin g a lowe r ozon e standar d bu t als o to

8 indicat e wha t w e thin k th e ozon e standar d shoul d b e

, and

9 th e scienc e

, o f cours e

, support s tha t

. I t ' s fairly

10 straightforwar d

. Th e Clea n Ai r Ac t doesn ' t cal l yo u to

11 loo k economic s

. I t call s fo r yo u t o loo k a t scienc e

.

12 Despit e ver y strang e thing s hav e bee n publishe d ou t of

13 th e Texa s environmenta l communit y

, th e scienc e i s really

14 quit e clea r an d yo u kno w th e scienc e

. I' m no t goin g to

15 g o throug h th e scienc e

.

16 Bu t th e othe r thin g I wan t t o tel l yo u is

17 tha t i n Missour i

, we ' r e i n a simila r situatio n a s are

18 th e peopl e her e i n Texa s i n tha t ou r Missour i state

19 agencie s ar e worthles s i n term s o f healt h environmen t

,

20 an d s o w e depen d ver y muc h o n th e E P A

, bu t tha t ' s

- -

21 Missour i i s almos t a s conservativ e a s Texa s

, bu t a few

22 year s ag o

, ther e wa s a propositio n o n th e statewide

23 ballo t tha t calle d fo r utilitie s t o in creas e their

24 percentag e o f energ y generatio n fro m renewabl e source s

,

25 an d tha t propositio n calle d fo r the m t o b e u p b y 2 0 15

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1 Wel l

, tha t has n ' t happene d

, bu t i t has n ' t

2 happene d no t becaus e th e propositio n did n ' t pas s

. That

3 passe d b y ove r 6 0 percen t o f th e popula r vot e

, an d they

4 passe d i n th e stat e o f Missour i

. An d I thin k wha t that

5 show s i s tha t peopl e

, regardles s o f thei r political

6 persuasio n

, wan t t o breath e clea n ai r

, an d the y wan t to

7 hav e clea n wate r

. An d i n tha t propositio n

, ther e are

8 lot s o f advertisin g fo r industrie s o f variou s kind s that

9 sa y thi s i s goin g t o bankrup t th e stat e an d s o fort h

.

10 Bu t peopl e vote d fo r

- - peopl e want

11 protectio n fo r thei r childre n an d fo r thei r ow n healt h

.

12 Addi e ha s a brothe r wh o i s almos t seve n

, an d lik e kids

13 hi s ag e

, he ' s ver y intereste d i n super heroe s

, s o the

14 teache r ha d gav e th e clas s a n assignmen t

. Sh e sai d

, I

15 wan t yo u t o g o hom e an d tal k t o you r familie s an d your

16 friend s an d com e bac k

, an d Monda y

, w e' r e goin g to

17 discus s rea l

- lif e super heroe s

, no t th e one s i n the

18 comic s o r th e one s o n T V

.

19 So

, I happene d t o b e ther e whe n h e ha d this

20 discussio n wit h hi s parent s

, an d h e sai d

, Grandp a

, who

21 d o yo u thin k ar e rea l

- lif e superheroe s ? I though t about

22 i t fo r a minut e

. Le t m e tel l yo u abou t a lad y named

23 Jenn y McCarth y

. I thin k yo u guy s d o mor e fo r th e health

24 o f m y childre n an d grandchildre n tha n physician s

, an d so

25 I e n courag e yo u t o d o i t

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1 confidenc e tha t i f yo u d o wha t yo u' r e suppose d t o d o

,

2 tha t w e' l l hav e you r backs

. Thank s

.

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Thank s

.

4 MS

. FUGMA N : H i

. M y nam e i s Virginia

5 Fugma n

, an d I' m jus t

- - goo d mornin g

. It ' s beautiful

6 weathe r toda y

. S o

, I jus t wante d t o star t of f b y saying

7 than k yo u s o muc h fo r hearin g fro m u s

, an d I fee l lik e I

8 probabl y spea k fo r

- - I fee l reall y fortunat e because

9 I' m abl e t o hav e a jo b wher e I ca n com e a t 1 1 o ' clock

10 an d com e tal k t o yo u guy s o n Wednesda y an d

, yo u kno w

, at

11 als o o n tw o occasion s outsid e o f DC

, s o thi s i s awesom e

.

12 Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

13 So

, I fee l lik e I jus t wan t t o tak e i t upon

14 mysel f t o spea k fo r a lo t o f peopl e

. An d I lov e how

15 everyon e alway s talk s abou t thei r grandchildre n and

16 childre n an d al l th e othe r peopl e tha t the y kno w

. I

17 do n ' t hav e an y childre n o r grandchildre n

, s o I' m going

18 t o b e rea l selfis h an d spea k fo r me

, an d I jus t wan t you

19 t o hel p sav e m y lif e

, okeydok e ?

20 I qui t smokin g

. I stoppe d drinkin g

. I do

21 floss

. I g o t o m y dentis t ever y si x month s

. I ' m doing

22 m y par t

, bu t th e odd s ar e stacke d agains t me

, an d I need

23 yo u t o pul l you r weigh t ove r ther e

. S o

- - an d I really

24 lik e als o tha t th e ki dd o wit h th e cowbo y ha t tha t says

25 ( inaudibl e )

. I thin k yo u' r e a tota l roc k sta r an d thatCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 gentlema n befor e m e

, yo u guy s ar e superheroe s

. Just

2 amazin g

.

3 I wan t yo u t o g o bac k an d thin k abou t what

4 wer e yo u thinkin g whe n yo u too k you r jo b befor e th e E P A

,

5 an d g o bac k t o you r befor e

- - I do n ' t kno w anythin g

- -

6 an d thin k abou t

, wha t d o I wan t t o d o

, ho w d o I wan t to

7 chang e thi s world ? An d her e i s

, lik e

, a reall y amazing

8 opportunit y t o sav e a to n o f live s

. S o

, I jus t wan t t o

,

9 lik e

, ge t permissio n t o protec t th e environmen t

. I

10 Google d you r missio n

, an d i t' s ver y simpl e

. T o protect

11 huma n healt h an d environmen t

. Tha t ' s legi t an d amazin g

.

12 So

, I jus t wan t

- - yo u' r e no t th e I P A

, the

13 Industr y Protectio n Agenc y

, yo u' r e no t th e J P A

, th e Job

14 Protectio n Agenc y

. S o I jus t wan t t o giv e yo u a g o to

15 mak e a reall y fantasti c decisio n t o sav e th e environment

16 an d t o protec t huma n healt h an d t o pu t a fac e

, s o when

17 thi s come s u p agai n

, th e nam e i s Virgini a an d I wan t you

18 t o sav e m y lif e

. Coo l

. Than k yo u

.

19 MS

. GRIFFI N : Hell o

, I' m Madiso n Griffi n

.

20 I' m a communit y activis t wit h Texa s Campaig n fo r the

21 Environmen t

. Than k yo u s o muc h fo r allowin g u s t o come

22 an d spea k wit h yo u guy s

. S o

, yea h

, I' m comin g to

23 suppor t lowerin g th e ozon e standar d 6 0 part s per

24 billio n

. S o yea h

, tha t curren t smo g standar d is

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1 population s

, childre n

, minoritie s

, an d elderl y

, s o it ' s

2 imperativ e tha t yo u se t tha t ne w standar d

.

3 So

, accordin g t o th e EP A

, yo u guy s

, setting

4 tha t standar d woul d improv e th e qualit y o f lif e of

5 million s o f American s an d pr e ven t th e pr e matur e deat h of

6 ( inaudibl e ) peopl e

. So

, I ' m goin g t o spea k a s a local

7 today

. I wa s raise d i n DF W

. I graduate d from

8 Waxahachi e Hig h Schoo l

. S o

, I kno w firsthan d wha t it ' s

9 lik e t o gro w u p i n a no n complian t regio n

.

10 So

, whe n I wa s i n hig h schoo l

, I wa s a band

11 ner d

. I wa s i n th e competitiv e ( inaudibl e ) marching

12 ban d

, an d I spen t hour s a t ban d cam p outsid e

, an d the

13 wors t thin g I ha d t o worr y about

, a s someon e doesn ' t

14 suffe r fro m asthm a

, i s

, yo u kno w

, lik e

, th e very

15 embarrassin g ban d pant s wit h cre w sock s an d te e shirt s

.

16 Tha t' s th e wors t thin g I ha d t o worr y abou t

.

17 Bu t no t s o muc h fo r m y friend s

. On e of

18 the m

, we ' l l cal l hi m Mar k

, ha d bee n diagnose d with

19 asthm a earl y o n i n lif e

, an d

, yea h

, whil e I worried

20 abou t thing s lik e tha t

, h e ha d t o sto p playin g his

21 instrumen t

, Frenc h hor n

, whic h h e ' d wo n numerou s a wards

22 i n t o switc h t o a n instrumen t h e did n' t hav e t o us e air

23 fo r

, percussio n

. So

, yea h

, h e wa s a t a di s advantag e

.

24 Whe n I wa s listenin g t o th e weathe r o n the

25 radio

, h e ' d hav e t o liste n t o th e ba d ai r da y aler t andCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 decid e whethe r h e wa s goin g t o pu t activitie s befor e his

2 ow n healt h

. Thi s i s a decisio n childre n should n ' t have

3 t o mak e i n hig h schoo l

. Extracurricula r activitie s are

4 a righ t o f passag e

, yo u kno w

, ban d

, cheer leadin g

,

5 footbal l

, the y al l tak e plac e outsid e

. Yo u kno w

, people

6 wh o hav e job s als o hav e thi s issu e

, I' m sur e

.

7 So

, yea h

, fortunatel y

, Mar k ' s stor y does

8 hav e a happ y endin g

. H e becam e

, yo u kno w

, leade r o f the

9 dru m sectio n an d eventuall y th e dru m majo r

, bu t most

10 storie s agains t adversit y do n ' t en d i n a happ y endin g

.

11 Tha t' s wh y thes e ar e s o exceptiona l

.

12 Anothe r frien d o f min e

, ( inaudibl e ) some

13 school s i n nort h Texa s

, the y hav e grea t school s

, great

14 teacher s

, yo u kno w

, awesom e journa l publishin g

, bu t he

15 sai d tha t h e wa sn ' t abl e t o appl y t o an y o f the m because

16 o f th e smo g standard s her e

, becaus e h e als o with

17 diagnose d wit h asthm a

.

18 S o yea h

, thi s

, I foun d reall y surprisin g

.

19 I looke d i t u p o n ( inaudibl e )

. Arlingto n / For t Wort h had

20 a grad e o f F

, whic h

, i n mos t school s

, i s no t ver y goo d

.

21 So

, yea h

, Dalla s / For t Wort h need s a wak e

- u p cal l

. We ' ve

22 neve r reache d t hos e ozon e level s tha t yo u nee d fo r human

23 healt h

. We ' r e i n a regio n wher e th e ozon e level s are

24 reporte d wit h th e weathe r

. S o

, yea h

, w e nee d t o lower

25 i t dow n t o 6 0

. 7 0 i s no t enoug h

. Advers e effect s areCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 reporte d a t tha t leve l

.

2 So

, yea h

, I urg e th e EP A t o se t th e ozone

3 standar d a t 6 0 part s pe r billio n a s th e on e tha t you

4 recommen d an d e nforc e thes e i n region s o f no n complianc e

.

5 Thes e standard s ar e no t mean t t o reflec t wha t especially

6 no n complian t region s ar e doin g

. The y' r e mean t t o strive

7 toward s

, an d yo u guy s hav e a n amazin g opportunit y t o do

8 tha t

. S o

, than k yo u s o muc h fo r th e opportunit y

, an d I

9 kno w yo u ' l l d o th e righ t thin g

.

10 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. W e 're

11 goin g t o d o a littl e adjustmen t

. Nex t up

, Li z Wall y and

12 Rache l Bake r

.

13 MS

. WALL Y : I' m Li z Wall y

, an d I ' m from

14 Dalla s

, an d fo r a ver y brie f bu t intens e tim e

, fou r and

15 a hal f year s

, I wa s o n th e Dalla s Plannin g Commissio n

.

16 Intens e becaus e i t wa s durin g th e tim e o f th e gas

17 drillin g ordinanc e

. Bu t

, o f cours e

, muc h o f tha t tim e

,

18 w e jus t ha d developer s comin g i n an d explainin g wh y they

19 wante d t o d o wha t the y wante d t o an d citizen s coming

20 whe n the y coul d ge t of f wor k t o explai n wh y tha t was

21 goin g t o ( inaudibl e ) ligh t o r hur t thei r wate r or

22 whateve r

.

23 An d s o i t wa s a brie f tim e o n th e

- - I ' ve

24 bee n

, usuall y

, o n th e othe r sid e

, th e one s comin g and

25 askin g

. Th e weigh t tha t a regulator y bod y ha s

, I thin k

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1 i s ver y stron g

. S o

, tha t' s basicall y wha t I ' m goin g to

2 tal k abou t

. An d I wa s struc k b y a stor y whic h doe s not

3 hav e t o d o wit h th e ga s

, bu t I ' m goin g t o jus t rea d i t

,

4 i f I migh t

, t o illustrat e severa l point s

.

5 So

, thi s ha s t o d o wit h th e luxur y complex

6 tha t ha d jus t bee n buil t

, ver y expensiv e home s i n New

7 Jerse y tha t burne d t o th e groun d an d di s place d ove r a

8 thousan d peopl e

. Earlie r

, th e mornin g new s conference

9 i n th e nearb y parkin g lo t

, To m Jaco b so n sai d th e blaze

10 ha d i n dee d swep t throug h quickl y becaus e o f lightweight

11 woo d constructio n a s wel l a s a trus s styl e o f roo f which

12 allowe d section s t o b e buil t o n th e groun d an d then

13 lifte d i n t o place

. I f ther e wa s mai n leve l concret e and

14 cinde r block s

, w e would n ' t hav e thi s sor t o f proble m

, he

15 sai d

.

16 Official s sai d th e sprinkle r syste m had

17 functione d properl y

. I t i s intende d no t t o dous e the

18 fir e bu t t o allo w resident s tim e t o evacuat e

. I n a

19 statemen t Thursda y afternoo n

, Michae l Faga n

, th e chief

20 constructio n office r an d " develope r o f th e comple x

,

21 defende d th e woo d

- fram e constructio n a s a standar d

,

22 commo n

, an d saf e constructio n metho d fo r mult i family

23 housin g use d throughou t th e Unite d State s

. " The

24 communit y wa s buil t i n accordanc e wit h th e fir e and

25 safet y code s applicabl e a t th e tim e

, M r

. Faga n sai d inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e statemen t

. Th e purpos e o f thos e code s i s no t to

2 pr e ven t th e buildin g fro m burnin g dow n bu t rathe r to

3 en sur e tha t ther e i s sufficien t tim e an d opportunit y for

4 al l occupant s t o exi t safel y i n th e even t o f a fir e

.

5 Th e statemen t continue d

, a s a compan y

, the

6 safet y an d wel l bein g o f ou r resident s i s a priorit y in

7 th e desig n an d constructio n an d operatio n o f our

8 communitie s

. I did n ' t rea d th e firs t paragrap h

. I read

9 thes e

- - the y' r e ou t o f order

. Th e firs t paragraph

10 say s

, th e comple x o f luxuriou s apartment s burne d dow n 15

11 year s ag o befor e i t wa s eve n finishe d i n wha t county

12 official s her e describe d a s th e wors e blaz e i t ha d seen

13 i n decade s

.

14 Th e developer s pai d t o settl e lawsuits

15 file d b y peopl e di s place d fro m nearb y home s the n got

16 bac k t o wor k wit h th e sam e lightweigh t woo d the y had

17 bee n usin g

. Faste r t o buil d wit h

, bu t als o more

18 flammabl e

. O n Wednesda y

- - no w w e' r e talkin g presen t

,

19 th e comple x ( inaudibl e ) caugh t fir e again

, th e flames

20 ragin g eve n harde r thi s tim e

, mi s placin g mor e tha n a

21 thousan d resident s o f th e apartment s an d surrounding

22 building s

, ( inaudibl e ) a spectacl e rarel y see n

.

23 Thi s i s a familia r stor y

, an d th e balance

24 tha t i s require d o n th e sid e o f th e government

25 regulation s versu s th e healt h o f th e communit y an d theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 familia r stor y tha t w e' v e hear d an d wa s referenced

2 befor e tal k abou t wha t' s easie r

, wha t' s mor e economica l

,

3 bu t wha t alway s come s u p i s

, w e di d wha t wa s require d

.

4 An d wha t struc k m e

, a s pla n ning

5 commissione r

, an d wha t strike s m e

, sittin g o n th e other

6 sid e no w

, i s tha t yo u ar e th e one s tha t hav e t o set

7 wha t' s require d

, an d withou t th e governmen t settin g the

8 regulation s a t a leve l tha t protect s

, the n th e industry

9 i s no t doin g anythin g wron g

. Thei r jo b i s t o creat e a

10 profi t fo r thei r shareholder s

. Tha t i s thei r jo b

. I t ' s

11 thei r jo b a s th e teenager s t o pus h th e limit s o f curfe w

.

12 It ' s thei r jo b

, an d w e watc h developer s d o thi s

, an d we

13 watc h th e industr y d o i t

, pus h a s fa r a s i t' l l g o

, but

14 it ' s you r jo b t o figh t bac k

.

15 So

, I totall y suppor t wha t yo u 'r e doin g

,

16 an d I jus t wan t t o r e min d yo u o f th e burde n o n the

17 citizen s wh o ar e no t pai d

, wh o do n' t

- - wh o hav e ha d to

18 g o ou t an d lear n polysyllabi c word s abou t disease s

,

19 abou t chemical s

, e t ceter a

, tak e of f fo r fre e t o come

20 an d sho w up

. S o

, I' m simpl y talkin g abou t th e process

21 an d th e weigh t o n th e othe r sid e t o kee p th e balance

22 betwee n profi t an d safet y

. Than k yo u

.

23 MS

. BAKE R FOR D : Goo d afternoo n

. M y name

24 i s Rache l Bake r For d

. I liv e a t 331 7 Night s Have n Lane

25 i n Garlan d

, Texas

. I a m her e representin g m y famil y andCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e Garlan d Democrati c Voic e

. I suppor t entirel y the

2 ne w E P A 6 0 part s smo g regulation s

. An d her e ' s wh y

.

3 Hav e yo u eve r hel d a chil d gaspin g fo r a

4 breat h i n th e middl e o f a n asthm a attac k ? I hav e

. I

5 ca n tel l yo u i t i s on e o f th e mos t frightening

6 experience s tha t on e ca n hav e

. Th e onl y thin g yo u can

7 d o fo r thi s chil d i s t o re mai n absolutel y cal m and

8 stead y

. I hav e hel d m y chil d gaspin g fo r breat h

. Two

9 year s ag o i n Februar y

, w e too k a roa d tri p fro m Dallas

10 t o a frien d ' s ranc h locate d abou t 2 0 mile s northeas t of

11 Dento n wit h ou r grandchildre n fro m Ne w Yor k

.

12 Righ t straigh t u p I

- 3 5

, th e haz e over

13 Dento n tha t winte r da y hun g heavil y a s w e drov e through

14 Dento n

. Abb y For d stuffe d u p an d bega n coughin g

. Her

15 nos e ra n th e res t o f th e da y

. Olde r brothe r

, Luk e

, si x

,

16 stuffe d u p throug h Dento n bu t cleare d a s w e go t a way

17 fro m th e cit y lin e

. O n th e retur n tri p

, Abb y go t worse

18 an d Luk e ' s stuffines s returne d a s w e travele d back

19 throug h Dento n

.

20 B y th e tim e w e go t t o Lewisvill e

, both

21 childre n ha d cleare d up

. Al l th e symptom s di sappeare d

.

22 An d i t i s a know n fac t tha t Dento n ha s som e o f th e worst

23 ai r qualit y i n th e natio n

. O n Januar y 15 t h o f this

24 yea r

, m y husban d an d I wer e o n a bu s tri p

. Whe n we

25 travele d u p I

- 3 5

, I stuffe d u p

, m y nos e bega n t o ru n

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1 an d I coughe d

, th e sam e typ e o f reactio n my

2 grandchildre n experience d o n a roa d tri p i n Februar y

.

3 W e kno w childre n ar e a t th e greates t health

4 ris k fro m ai r becaus e the y ' r e mos t likel y t o be

5 outdoor s

. Asthm a strike s on e ou t o f ever y te n i n the

6 U. S

. an d i s th e numbe r on e healt h issu e tha t cause s kids

7 t o mis s schoo l

. Th e EP A yoursel f sai d un checked

8 ( inaudibl e ) pollutio n lead s t o lon g

- lastin g change s in

9 ou r climat e

. Th e change s threate n America n healt h and

10 welfar e fo r curren t an d futur e generation s

.

11 Th e publi c healt h risk s includ e mor e heat

12 waves

, drough t

, worsenin g smo g

, i ncreasin g extreme

13 event s lik e hurricane s

, an d snowfal l

. Change s i n the

14 ecosyste m habita t i n specie s an d diversit y

. Th e E P A has

15 estimate d i n 2 0 1 5 tha t th e haz e pla n protection s will

16 pr e ven t 1 60 0 pr e matur e death s

, 2

, 20 0 no nfata l heart

17 attack s an d ove r 1

, 34 8 los t schoo l an d workday s related

18 t o pollutio n illnesse s

.

19 Texa s source s produc e mor e haz e than

20 Oklahom a an d Arkansa s combine d

. Th e to p 1 4 polluter s in

21 Texa s i n 20 0 9 wer e coa l plant s

. Typica l annua l emission

22 an d inventorie s ove r th e las t decad e an d 2 00 9

, coal

23 plant s admitte d 8 1 percen t o f th e sulfu r dioxid e

, 5 2

24 percen t o f th e carbo n monoxid e

, 3 3 percen t o f the

25 particulat e matte r

, an d 2 2 percen t o f th e lea d

. An d theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 danger s o f coa l burnin g t o th e coa l burnin g plant s is

2 no t limite d t o th e coa l burnin g plant s

.

3 Coa l dus t i n diese l exhaus t from

4 ( inaudibl e ) train s an d carg o ship s ca n caus e serious

5 lon g

- ter m healt h problem s lik e lun g an d hear t disease

6 an d cance r

. Th e wid e rangin g healt h danger s o f coal

7 dus t includ e exposur e t o heav y metal s

, mercur y

, and

8 in crease d rate s o f asthm a

, especiall y i n childre n

. I ' m

9 sorr y

- - yea h

.

10 It ' s interestin g t o kno w tha t the

11 Burlingto n Norther n Sant a F e railroa d estimate s that

12 50 0 pound s o f coa l ca n b e los t i n th e for m o f dus t from

13 eac h railca r e n rout e

. So

, i t ' s no t jus t complaint s

.

14 Th e haz e an d smo g pollutio n i n ou r wildernes s i s far

15 mor e seriou s tha n jus t providin g fo r a beautifu l vie w of

16 ou r natio n ' s ( inaudibl e ) an d wildlif e area s

. The

17 poisonou s haz e kills

. I t kill s flor a an d faun a a lik e

.

18 Withou t ai r whic h i s breathabl e

, people

19 canno t exis t i n th e wil d area s o r anywher e

. Th e E P A has

20 pr o pose d a stron g pla n t o addres s an d solv e this

21 devastatin g proble m

. W e strongl y suppor t th e new

22 regulation s o f 6 0 parts

. Ou r live s an d your s depend

23 upo n i t

. Than k yo u

.

24 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

25 up

, Laur a Pau l

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1 MS

. PAU L : Hell o

, m y nam e i s Laur a Pau l

. I

2 hav e com e fro m Clarendo n

, Texa s

, a smal l tow n 6 0 miles

3 outsid e o f Amarill o

, t o testif y becaus e w e fee l strongly

4 abou t th e Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standar d s for

5 Ozon e mus t d o a bette r jo b protectin g ou r healt h

. Tyler

6 wa s health y whe n h e wa s bor n

, bu t aroun d a yea r o f ag e

,

7 h e bega n gettin g sicke r al l th e tim e

. I use d t o call

8 hi m m y baromete r

, becaus e a chang e i n weathe r can

9 immediatel y produc e symptom s th e doctor s late r diagnosed

10 a s asthm a

.

11 Ove r th e years

, h e ha s bee n hospitalized

12 mor e time s tha n I ca n coun t

. Tyle r say s whe n h e has

13 asthm a

, h e feel s lik e i t ' s a n elephan t standin g o n his

14 chest

. Fortunatel y

, no w tha t Tyle r i s 12

, hi s condition

15 i s stabilize d

, an d w e hav e n ' t ha d a re cen t inciden t

, but

16 w e stil l hav e t o b e vigilan t

. H e stil l take s his

17 medication s wit h hi m ever y tim e h e leave s th e hous e

.

18 Whe n you r chil d ha s asthm a

, yo u neve r stop

19 worryin g

. Ever y tim e h e goe s t o schoo l

, goe s t o a

20 frien d ' s house

, ride s a bik e

, yo u neve r kn o w wha t' s

21 goin g t o happe n

. Yo u 'r e a war e o f poo r ai r qualit y

,

22 allergie s

, sudde n chang e i n temperatur e

, o r som e other

23 un expecte d situatio n tha t woul d pu t hi m i n dange r and

24 yo u migh t no t b e ther e t o hel p

. I a m concerne d about

25 ou r ow n healt h a s wel l a s m y so n ' s

. Althoug h I wasCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 neve r diagnose d wit h asthm a

, I to o hav e experienced

2 difficultie s breathin g

.

3 A s a mothe r

, I a m deepl y saddene d that

4 we ' r e eve n her e debatin g thi s

, safe r standard s for

5 ozone

, whe n i t i s obviou s tha t curren t standard s ar e too

6 wea k

, an d pu t ou r childre n a t har m' s wa y

. Scientists

7 an d doctor s hav e tol d u s tha t it ' s risk y fo r some

8 childre n wit h asthm a t o inhal e ai r wit h ozon e smo g

.

9 Tyler ' s lung s ar e alread y sensitiv e

. Whe n h e breathes

10 i n a powerfu l irritan t

, hi s lun g tissue s swel l furthe r

,

11 makin g i t har d fo r hi m t o breath e

. H e cough s

, he

12 wheeze s

, an d h e struggle s

, an d w e kno w ho w quickl y a

13 sever e asthm a attac k ca n becom e a lif e threatening

14 event

.

15 W e liv e ou t abou t 6 0 mile s fro m th e cit y

.

16 Th e las t tim e Tyle r ha d a n asthm a attac k

, I decide d to

17 driv e hi m mysel f t o th e hospita l 6 0 mile s a wa y

. That

18 stretc h wa s un bearabl e

, lookin g b e hin d

, thinkin g that

19 you r chil d' s goin g t o di e

. Ther e ' s n o term s t o pu t to

20 tha t

. No w

, I do n ' t tak e th e ris k

. Cal l th e ambul anc e

.

21 Th e las t tim e h e wen t

, th e ambulanc e cre w cam e

, an d they

22 did n' t realiz e ho w sever e h e wa s

. W e mad e i t 3 0 mile s

,

23 an d the y di d bac k

- to

- bac k treatment s an d ha d hi m on

24 oxyge n

, an d the y sai d

, w e' r e gla d tha t yo u brough t him

25 i n an d w e picke d hi m up

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1 Ozon e i s wors e i n warme r weathe r

, an d we

2 Texan s ar e ver y familia r wit h thi s

. I a m concerne d with

3 th e climat e chang e bringin g errati c weathe r pattern s and

4 hotte r temperature s

, un health y smo g level s ca n becom e a

5 bigge r proble m

. Accordin g t o th e America n Lung

6 Associatio n

, mor e tha n 6

. 8 millio n childre n suffe r from

7 asthm a

. I t i s on e o f th e mos t commo n chroni c diseases

8 i n childre n

. Abou t hal f o f the m wil l experienc e an

9 asthm a attac k sever e enoug h t o requir e emergency

10 treatmen t

, an d althoug h rar e

, som e childre n

, fro m that

11 asthm a attac k

, wil l di e

.

12 O n be hal f o f mother s everywher e

, I urg e the

13 EP A t o d o it s jo b b y settin g th e stronges t possible

14 standard s fo r ozon e

. I t ' s abou t tim e tha t th e natio n

- -

15 it ' s abou t tim e a s a natio n tha t w e finall y pu t public

16 healt h firs t an d mak e sur e ou r ai r i s safe r fo r everyone

17 t o breath e

, especiall y ou r childre n

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Tyler ?

19 MR

. PAU L : Hell o

, m y nam e i s Tyle r

. I am

20 1 2 year s ol d

, an d I atten d Clarendo n Junio r Hig h

, an d I

21 als o hav e asthm a

. I f yo u' v e neve r ha d asthm a befor e

,

22 yo u ca n imagin e ho w i t i s

. I t feel s lik e yo u 'r e under

23 water

, an d i t' s somethin g pr e ventin g yo u t o reac h the

24 surfac e

, an d yo u' r e runnin g ou t o f ai r

, an d nothin g you

25 ca n d o

. M y asthm a i s lik e tha t

. I fee l lik e anCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 elephan t i s standin g o n m y chest

, crushin g m e

.

2 I wa s a littl e ki d

. I t wa s har d no t t o

- -

3 no w tha t I a m olde r

, I kno w tha t i f I struggl e

, i t just

4 get s wors e

, bu t tha t doesn ' t mea n i t i s eas y

. I hav e to

5 mak e mysel f slo w dow n an d tak e a dee p

- - fe w deep

6 breath s th e wa y th e doctor s hav e taugh t m e

. Whe n we

7 tak e ou r

- - whe n w e tak e a dee p breat h i n ou r lung s and

8 wai t

. Simila r t o a balloo n whe n yo u breath e ou t

, the

9 ai r fill s th e ai r i n ou r lung s

.

10 Som e experienc e see n i n asthm a attac k s is

11 difficul t y wit h ou r ai r

, i n o r ou t

. Ai r wa y constriction

12 i s simila r t o usin g a smal l stra w t o inflat e this

13 balloo n

, an d yo u ca n se e th e difficult y wit h th e ai r

.

14 N o movemen t

, an d th e lung s d o no t reall y inflat e

. I had

15 ha d asthm a sinc e I wa s a ver y littl e ki d

. I spen t a lot

16 o f tim e a t th e docto r 's

.

17 No w I ' m 1 2 year s ol d

- - 12

. I a m happy

18 tha t m y asthm a i s unde r contro l

, bu t I kno w tha t could

19 chang e a t an y tim e

. I alway s hav e t o sta y o n to p

. I

20 ca n ' t preten d I do n' t hav e i t becaus e m y asthm a will

21 neve r g o a wa y

. M y mo m ha s taugh t m e t o doubl e chec k and

22 mak e sur e tha t m y medicatio n i s i n m y backpac k befor e I

23 g o t o

- - befor e I leav e th e hous e ever y mornin g for

24 schoo l

.

25 I tak e asthm a medicatio n befor e gy m class

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1 Otherwis e

, I star t t o wheez e an d cough

, an d I ca n' t

- -

2 an d ca n' t mak e it

. I sometime s hav e t o giv e mysel f a

3 breathin g treatmen t befor e ban d

. I pla y th e trumpe t and

4 i t require s a lo t o f breat h contro l

. I t woul d be

5 im possibl e fo r m e t o hi t a singl e not e i f I did n ' t give

6 m y lung s a boos t wit h m y medicatio n

.

7 I a m her e toda y wit h m y mo m t o testif y on

8 be hal f o f al l th e childre n

- - kid s wit h asthm a

. Air

9 pollutio n make s i t muc h harde r fo r kid s lik e m e to

10 ( inaudibl e )

. I a m onl y

- - I' m a n onl y 12

, bu t I know

11 tha t I hav e a righ t t o clea n ai r

. Tha t i s wh y I am

12 speakin g u p today

. Yo u shoul d no t hav e t o figh t t o stop

13 pollutio n

. Than k yo u fo r you r tim e

. I hop e yo u hear

14 wha t I ha d t o sa y wil l mak e al l o f th e differenc e

. God

15 bles s Americ a

.

16 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, w e invite

17 u p Jua n Ramire z an d Stephe n Webste r

. Als o

, le t yo u all

18 kno w

, we ' r e runnin g a littl e a hea d o f schedul e

. If

19 anyon e want s t o g o earl y

, pleas e chec k i n a t th e des k

.

20 MR

. RAMIRE Z : H i

. Than k yo u fo r allowing

21 m e th e opportunit y t o spea k

. M y nam e i s Jua n Ramire z

.

22 I' m originall y fro m Texa s

. I liv e i n Tamp a

, Florid a

,

23 no w an d I wa sn ' t plannin g t o spea k

. I wan t t o caveat

24 everythin g tha t I sa y becaus e I wor k fo r a tran s mission

25 cooperativ e i n th e Stat e o f Florid a mad e u p ofCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ( inaudibl e ) cooperative s

. There ' s ove r 9 0 0 cooperatives

2 acros s th e Unite d State s

.

3 I' m her e speakin g fo r mysel f becaus e a lot

4 o f peopl e her e ar e speakin g fro m th e hear t

, an d a lo t of

5 childre n her e

, an d s o I ' m goin g t o spea k fro m th e hear t

,

6 to o

, becaus e I ' v e sa t i n thi s issue

, an d I

- - yo u kno w

,

7 I wor k i n th e environmenta l fiel d

, an d I wor k fo r a

8 no n profi t generatio n compan y

, an d peopl e nee d t o know

9 tha t som e o f th e mi s informatio n tha t yo u' r e hearing

10 about

, yo u kno w

, asthm a an d pollutio n

, it ' s jus t not

11 tru e

.

12 An d befor e yo u di s mis s m y comments

13 befor e

- - becaus e I wor k fo r a generatio n compan y that

14 ha s coa l o r ha s oi l o r natura l ga s

, I wan t yo u to

15 remembe r tha t th e Clea n Ai r Scientifi c Advisory

16 Committe e tha t cam e u p fo r th e NAAQ S

, the y themselves

17 receiv e million s o f dollar s

. I thin k ever y membe r

,

18 includin g a chair

, receive d grant s fro m th e E PA

. An d so

19 I

, yo u kno w

, I wan t t o

- - yo u kno w

, I fee l ba d

. I see

20 som e o f thes e

- - m y kid s hav e asthm a

, an d the y control

21 i t wit h die t

.

22 I' v e studie d

, yo u kno w

, th e dat a fro m the

23 CD C

, an d I se e n o relationshi p betwee n pollutio n

- - you

24 kno w

, fro m 1 98 0 t o th e presen t

, asthm a ha s i n creased

25 dramaticall y i n childre n

, an d s o I' v e studie d i t

. YouCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 kno w

, there ' s a proble m

, an d

, yo u kno w

, I do n ' t wan t my

2 kid s t o liv e i n thes e area s to o

. I wan t t o solv e the

3 proble m

. I ' m a scientis t mysel f

. I do n' t se e i t

.

4 Asthm a starte d goin g u p i n 19 8 0 whe n they

5 mad e thei r dietar y recommendation s

. Mysel f

, working

6 wit h m y ow n childre n an d controllin g thei r asthm a

, is

7 entirel y tie d t o die t

. A lo t o f thes e rule s and

8 regulation s ar e tie d t o a reductio n i n particulate

9 matte r les s tha n 2

. 5 micron s ( inaudibl e )

. W e already

10 hav e a lo t o f rule s i n plac e no w an d a whol e trai n wreck

11 o f rule s fro m mercur y t o toxi c rul e

, whic h i s base d on

12 chemistr y

.

13 W e hav e no w ha d th e ( inaudibl e ) fo r CO 2

,

14 whic h i s base d o n th e majorit y o f i m provement s i n public

15 healt h an d base d o n 2 .5

. W e hav e N O 2 on e

- hou r standar d

.

16 W e hav e th e SO 2 on e

- hou r standar d

. I mea n

, ther e ar e a

17 lo t o f rule s i n plac e righ t no w tha t ar e affectin g the

18 countr y

. An d havin g mor e an d mor e lik e thi s on e will

19 plac e a lo t o f expens e

, an d i t woul d b e ver y costl y to

20 stationar y sourc e o f peopl e wantin g t o produc e powe r and

21

- - re liabl y an d affor d abl y an d provid e i t t o everyon e

.

22 Ou r cooperative s provid e powe r for

23 1. 4 millio n peopl e

. W e hav e peopl e tha t

, yo u kno w

,

24 veteran s an d peopl e tha t hav e bee n

- - yo u kno w

, I think

25 w e hav e th e poores t countie s i n th e Stat e o f Florid a

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1 thin k a majorit y o f th e peopl e i n th e count y ar e at

2 povert y leve l

, s o in creasin g th e rate s i s goin g t o do

3 nothin g

, yo u kno w

, fo r th e publi c healt h

. Ther e are

4 peopl e wrestlin g i n th e pocke t fo r foo d o r necessitie s

.

5 Th e clea n ai r

- - an d I wan t t o r e min d the

6 EP A

, the y ca n se t th e standard s outsid e o f wha t th e case

7 recommendation s ar e

, an d the y hav e befor e

. I looked

8 thi s u p jus t no w

, an d fo r carbo n monoxid e o n Augus t 3 1

,

9 20 1 1

, th e cas e tha t

- - the y recommende d tha t the

10 existin g ( inaudibl e ) standar d provide d g o dow n fro m 9 to

11 3 o r 6

. Th e cas e ( inaudibl e ) warne d tha t

, base d o n the

12 analysi s an d studie s presente d

, ther e' s n o consensus

13 tha t th e standard s ma y no t protec t fo r adequat e safety

14 an d therefor e ( inaudibl e ) tha t resul t i n lowerin g the

15 standard s shoul d b e considere d

.

16 Bu t despit e th e cas e stack ' s preferenc e for

17 lowe r standar d s

, th e EP A ' s fina l rul e retaine d the

18 curren t ( inaudibl e ) standar d

. E P A' s fina l rule

19 conclud e d tha t i n certai n position s

, th e ( inaudibl e )

20 standar d ar e to o grea t fo r th e ( inaudibl e ) o r evidence

21 t o provid e a basi s fo r arrivin g ( inaudibl e ) th e current

22 standar d

.

23 Th e the y als o di d i t o n Apri l 3

, 20 1 2

, when

24 th e secondar y nitroge n dioxid e an d sulfu r di oxid e NAAQS

25 wa s release d

. KSA C recommende d usin g a ne w metho d forCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ( inaudibl e ) nitroge n oxid e an d sulfu r oxid e tha t would

2 hav e use d aci d neutralizin g capacit y o f wate r bod y left

3 a concentratio n fo r th e ( inaudibl e )

. ( Inaudibl e ) to

4 suppor t th e standar d

, notin g th e KSA C ( inaudibl e ) and

5 Nationa l Park s Servic e ( inaudibl e ) d o no t adequately

6 protec t agains t thes e environmenta l harms

.

7 Never theles s

, ( inaudibl e ) di d no t adop t a ne w standard

8 recommende d b y KSA C

, statin g tha t th e administrato r has

9 determine d tha t a t thi s tim e

, i t i s no t appropriat e in

10 Sectio n 10 9 t o se t a ( inaudibl e ) standar d t o addres s a

11 positio n i n ( inaudibl e )

.

12 So

, the y hav e don e i t befor e

, an d yo u kno w

,

13 base d o n jus t wha t w e se e no w wit h al l th e current

14 regulation s

, yo u kno w

, no w th e mas s rul e wil l com e into

15 pla y a rol e an d yo u' r e goin g t o se e dramati c reduction s

,

16 an d w e hav e see n reduction s sinc e 1 9 80

. Wh y there ' s

17 in crease d asthm a

, I' m no t quit e sur e

. I thin k i t' s

18 stil l tie d t o die t

. I' v e rea d al l th e studie s from

19 Californi a

. Ther e ar e a lo t o f model s tha t sho w that

20 diese l emission s fro m mobil e source s ar e causin g asthma

21 o r causin g cardia c arres t

.

22 I questio n th e statistic s

, an d I thin k th at

23 th e E P A shoul d loo k a t thos e

- - thes e paper s tha t have

24 questionabl e scienc e

. I jus t do n ' t thin k it ' s ther e

,

25 an d I urg e everyon e t o rea d fo r yoursel f wha t ' s i n thereCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 an d tr y t o com e u p wit h a solutio n t o th e proble m

,

2 becaus e th e proble m righ t no w i s no t ozon e

. It ' s not

3 particulat e matte r

. It ' s no t SO x an d NO x

. Thos e things

4 hav e bee n droppin g dramaticall y

. Th e proble m is

5 somewher e els e an d li e somewher e els e

, an d w e nee d to

6 loo k fo r a n answe r t o tha t proble m

. An d I believ e it ' s

7 die t

, an d I ' v e see n i t i n m y ow n kid s

, an d I ' m here

8 becaus e m y famil y i s i n Texa s an d I sa w wha t wa s going

9 o n an d I jus t though t I coul d hel p

. I jus t wante d to

10 shar e som e informatio n wit h yo u

. Thank s

.

11 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

12 MR

. WEBSTE R : Than k yo u fo r doin g thi s

, and

13 than k yo u fo r listenin g t o m y comment s

. I com e no t a s a

14 membe r o f an y organizatio n

. I simpl y com e her e a s a

15 lifelon g Texa n an d a

- - somebod y wh o misse s th e Dallas

16 are a tremendousl y

.

17 M y fathe r wa s th e firs t cit y manage r for

18 th e Cit y o f Addiso n

. H e helpe d maste r a pla n fo r what

19 wa s an d i s ther e toda y

. M y grandfathe r wa s on e o f the

20 foundin g member s o f SM U La w

, an d prett y muc h m y entire

21 famil y i s her e i n th e Dalla s are a

. I a m no t

. I liv e in

22 Austi n

, an d I travele d her e fro m Austi n t o spea k with

23 yo u al l

, no t abou t m y politica l viewpoint s

, no t about

24 scienc e

, bu t abou t m y persona l experience s wit h ozone

25 an d wit h airwa y issue s

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1 I suffe r fro m r e activ e ai r way s

, an d it ' s

2 onl y triggere d o n day s tha t ar e reall y intens e ozon e

. I

3 discovere d tha t I suffe r fro m re activ e airway s th e first

4 tim e tha t I wen t t o Lo s Angele s a s a journalis t on

5 assignmen t

. I t wa s i n 2 00 5

. I neve r suffere d fro m any

6 ai r way s unti l

- - befor e i n m y lif e

, an d I ' m 3 1 years

7 ol d

. We ' v e bee n hearin g a lo t abou t childre n toda y

, but

8 her e I a m

, a n adul t mal e

, an d I ca n ' t g o outsid e i n the

9 Dalla s are a o n a ho t da y whe n th e ozon e i s ba d

. I begin

10 t o wheez e

, an d withi n a n hou r

, I requir e a rescue

11 inhale r

.

12 So

, whe n m y docto r realize d tha t I was

13 takin g thi s inhale r s o muc h

, the y gav e m e a daily

14 inhale r

. The y sai d

, no

, d o thi s twic e a da y

. Wel l

,

15 thi s i s

- - o h

, it ' s onl y a hundre d dollar s

, bu t

- - only

16 a hundre d dollar s

, righ t ? Thi s wa s onl y $ 35

. Bot h of

17 the m

, befor e th e Affordabl e Car e Ac t wa s passe d

, cos t me

18 thre e time s a s muc h

. No w tha t I hav e affordable

19 healt h car e

, I ca n actuall y ge t breathin g treatment s

,

20 whic h i s nic e o n day s whe n i t works

.

21 I als o carr y thi s

. Yo u ar e al l e xpert s in

22 scienc e an d medicin e

, s o I ' m sur e yo u kno w wha t thi s i s

.

23 Thi s i s a n Epipe n

. A n Epipe n

, yo u tak e ou t an d you

24 injec t i n you r le g whe n yo u ca n' t breath e

. I carr y this

25 becaus e tha t ' s happene d t o m e thre e times

. I 'v e wokenCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 u p i n th e mornin g o r i n th e dea d o f night

, u n abl e to

2 breath e

, an d I do n ' t kno w i f yo u ' v e eve r experienced

3 thi s personall y

, bu t i t feel s lik e someon e ha s reached

4 insid e you r ches t an d the y ' r e holdin g you r lung s and

5 squeezin g the m an d wo n' t le t g o

.

6 Yo u pul l a s har d a s yo u ca n

, an d non e of

7 th e ai r tha t make s i t int o you r passage s doe s anything

8 fo r yo u

, an d i t jus t grow s you r pani c

. An d yo u ' v e heard

9 al l da y peopl e wh o suffe r fro m thes e problem s

. I live

10 i n Austi n becaus e there ' s a whol e mont h no w i n Dallas

11 whe n I jus t ca n ' t g o outsid e

. I ca n 't

. An d Austi n is

12 significantl y bette r

.

13 Th e America n Lun g Associatio n rank s Dallas

14 numbe r 8 fo r ozon e pollutio n

. Rank s Lo s Angele s number

15 1

. Tha t woul d explai n wh y

, whe n I ste p pe d of f th e plane

16 i n Lo s Angele s fo r th e firs t tim e

, I wa s heade d t o a

17 docto r a n hou r late r fo r m y ver y firs t inhal e r

. I am

18 no w a n owne r o f a compan y

, a medi a compan y

. I would

19 hav e love d t o hav e m y compan y i n Dalla s

. It ' s wher e my

20 famil y an d friend s ar e

. I ca n n o longe r wor k wit h the m

.

21 I' m a journalis t an d edito r

, an d mos t o f my

22 client s ar e i n th e Dalla s are a

. I ha d t o wal k a wa y from

23 m y caree r becaus e o f th e ai r pollutio n i n th e cit y

. So

24 no w tha t I' v e starte d ove r

, thing s ar e goin g a lot

25 bette r fo r no w

. No w tha t I 'v e gotte n affordabl e healthCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 car e

, thing s ar e goin g a lo t bette r fo r m e

. An d now

2 tha t I hav e a dail y inhale r

, i t' s goin g a lo t bette r for

3 me

. Bu t I do n ' t com e t o Dalla s durin g th e summers

4 anymor e

. I wis h tha t wer e n ' t th e cas e

. Than k yo u

.

5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Thank s

. We

6 woul d lik e t o invit e Ji m Schermbec k

.

7 MR

. SCHERMBEC K : M y nam e i s Jim

8 Schermbec k

. I ' m representin g Dalla s ' s 20

- yea r

- old

9 ( inaudibl e ) clea n ai r grou p locate d her e i n the

10 Dalla s / For t Wort h are a

. I wan t t o than k yo u for

11 bringin g thi s her e t o Dalla s / For t Wort h an d i n Texa s

.

12 You r sessio n i s ver y appropriat e

. D F W ha s neve r bee n in

13 complianc e sinc e th e amendment s o f 1 99 1

. We ' v e never

14 me t a federa l deadlin e fo r a standar d

. W e 'v e becom e the

15 dirt y ai r capita l o f Texas

.

16 Texas

, i n genera l

, i s a lagge r whe n it

17 come s t o clea n ai r

. Lef t t o it s ow n device s

, Texas

18 woul d neve r ac t i n a timel y wa y o r i n an y wa y t o review

19 smo g excep t a s a sid e effec t o f marke t condition s

.

20 Tha t' s th e resul t o f havin g a n officia l stat e position

21 i n th e stat e governmen t tha t smo g is n' t suc h a bi g dea l

.

22 An d tha t ' s th e officia l stat e agenc y tha t yo u 're

23 expecte d t o wor k wit h

.

24 I wan t t o giv e yo u

, thoug h

, a n exampl e o f a

25 succes s stor y tha t ' s happene d onl y becaus e th e federalCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 enforcemen t o f th e Clea n Ai r Ac t an d becaus e o f lower

2 smo g standard s tha t hav e com e abou t fo r th e las t two

3 decade s

, ever y singl e on e o f whic h

, b y th e wa y

, wit h the

4 subjec t t o th e sam e objection s fro m industr y tha t yo u ' re

5 hearin g toda y

. D F W i s th e locatio n o f th e largest

6 concentration s o f cemen t manufacturin g i n th e U

. S

.

7 Ther e ar e thre e larg e plant s i n close

8 proximit y

, on e i n DF W

, an d tha t' s wha t thi s refer s to

.

9 The y' v e bee n th e larges t i n Nort h Texa s an d particulate

10 matte r an d ( inaudibl e ) pollutio n

. Bu t i n 19 9 4

, this

11 plan t wa s a rea l nightmar e

. Ther e wer e thre e plants

12 ther e wit h 8 kiln s

. Severa l o f the m wer e we t kiln s

,

13 whic h mean s the y ar e th e dirties t ( inaudibl e ) kind s of

14 cemen t plant s yo u coul d possibl y hav e ( inaudibl e )

.

15 I n fac t

, TX I owne d th e larges t hazardous

16 wast e permi t i n th e countr y

. Bot h th e Texa s waste

17 reportin g syste m an d EP A ( inaudibl e ) la w wa s letting

18 citizen s dow n

. Resident s wer e experiencin g the

19 groundin g ou t o f plume s

, whic h wer e literall y reaching

20 th e groun d an d wer e drivin g peopl e int o thei r home s

.

21 Ther e wer e constan t upset s

.

22 A decad e later

, ATST R

, n o fa n of

23 environmentalist s

, foun d tha t ther e wer e dangerous

24 level s o f SO x

, an d ye s

, ozon e comin g fro m thes e plant s

,

25 bu t tha t wa s a decad e dow n th e roa d

. A t th e tim e

, bothCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e federa l governmen t an d th e stat e governmen t were

2 lettin g peopl e dow n

. Bu t als o i n 1 9 94

, citizen s began

3 pullin g th e cemen t plant s int o th e figh t ove r th e D F W

4 smo g level s

.

5 W e believ e d tha t th e onl y wa y t o reduce

6 pollutio n a t thos e cemen t plant s wa s t o brin g new

7 control s t o the m throug h th e enforcemen t o f th e federal

8 smo g standar d

, firs t th e on e

- hou r standar d som e o f us

9 remembe r

, an d the n th e 8 5 part s pe r billio n standar d

.

10 Bu t firs t

, w e ha d t o convinc e governmen t tha t cement

11 plant s i m pacte d DF W smo g

. Lookin g a t thi s chart

12 toda y

- - an d i t 's

, b y th e wa y

, PSA T modelin g tha t was

13 don e i n 2 00 6

- - i t ' s har d t o believ e ther e wa s eve n an

14 argumen t a t th e tim e

, bu t w e ha d t o convinc e th e State

15 tha t thes e plant s actuall y im pacte d DF W smo g

.

16 I n fac t

, the y di d

. 1 2 part s pe r billio n or

17 mor e som e day s

. An d yo u ca n se e asthm a tha t result s as

18 a consequenc e o f tha t thank s t o a Coo k Childre n ' s

19 Medica l Cente r study

. W e ha d t o brin g Elli s Count y in

20 t o d o tha t i n th e earl y aught s

. W e ha d t o sho w tha t the

21 technologie s tha t wer e o n th e shel f tha t coul d d e crease

22 thi s kin d o f pollutio n

, an d i n dee d

, ther e wer e

. They

23 wer e i n us e i n Europ e

, bu t no t i n th e Unite d State s

.

24 I n 1 9

- - I' m sorr y

, i n 2 00 6 an d ' 7

, in

25 pursui t o f th e standar d

, th e cemen t kiln s wer e includedCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 i n th e ( inaudibl e ) fo r th e firs t tim e i n D FW

. An d since

2 th e ( inaudibl e ) recognize d technolog y

, an d ther e was

3 somethin g tha t citizen s deman d

, whic h wa s a gree n cement

4 procuremen t polic y

, whic h advise d loca l government s to

5 boycot t th e olde r cemen t kiln s i n favo r o f th e newer

6 one s

.

7 A s a resul t

, i n 2 0 15

, yo u do n ' t hav e eigh t

,

8 yo u hav e fou r

, bu t yo u hav e mor e cemen t manufacturing

9 capacit y

. Les s kiln s

. NO x pollutio n ha s de crease d by

10 7 0 percen t

- - 7 3 percen t an d SO x b y 4 0 percen t

. S N C R is

11 considere d a n industr y standar d

. Non e o f thi s would

12 hav e com e abou t withou t th e pursui t o f federa l ozone

13 standard s i n thi s are a b y citizen s

, i n particula r

, over

14 th e Stat e ' s objection s

.

15 Bu t w e als o nee d

, no w

, a lowe r standar d in

16 201 5 t o driv e furthe r progres s

. Fo r on e thin g

, it ' s the

17 la w

. It ' s eigh t year s ove r du e

. Secondl y

, th e kilns

18 ver y muc h nee d state

- of

- th e

- ar t contro l stil l

. There ' s

19 a technolog y calle d S C R i n Europ e tha t has n' t been

20 brough t t o th e Unite d State s

, has n' t bee n ( inaudibl e )

,

21 an d th e ga s industr y i s ver y muc h wher e thes e kiln s were

22 2 0 year s ag o

.

23 There ' s actuall y mor e V O C s create d i n DFW

24 b y th e ga s industr y tha n al l o n

- th e

- roa d vehicle s and

25 ( inaudibl e )

, tha t ' s a Stat e o f Texa s figur e

. S o

, pointCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 source s ar e ver y muc h stil l a par t o f thi s

. A s a result

2 o f thi s

, thoug h

, TSE C ha s pr o pose d thi s outrageou s plan

3 tha t actuall y doe s nothin g abou t thos e source s

, an d when

4 I sa y tha t

, there ' s no t hyperbol e

. The y' r e actually

5 waitin g fo r th e federa l gasolin e mi x t o tak e effec t in

6 201 7 t o reac h th e 20 1 8 standar d

. Th e current

7 ( inaudibl e ) ha s n o control s o n i t

.

8 Th e succes s o f th e cemen t plan t show s you

9 ho w thi s strateg y

, ho w ozon e standar d ca n chang e an

10 industr y

, a regio n

, a stat e

. I do n ' t kno w whethe r any

11 o f yo u hav e see n Selm a

, bu t environmenta l enforcemen t in

12 Texa s i n 201 5 i s n o differenc e tha n civi l rights

13 enforcemen t i n Alabam a i n 196 5

. Onl y stron g federal

14 actio n ca n salvag e th e situatio n an d giv e Texan s safe

15 an d lega l ai r t o breath e

. Than k yo u

.

16 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Sarah ?

17 MS

. SHARI F : Sara h Shari f

, an d I ' m in

18 Austi n

, Texa s

, wit h th e Sierr a Clu b

. M y firs t question

19 is

, yo u kno w

, wh y eve n hav e a bette r ozon e standar d

,

20 right ? Wh y no t ? W e currentl y hav e th e standar d a t 7 5

,

21 an d I kno w tha t th e E PA ' s pr o pose d t o reduc e i t dow n to

22 60

. I kno w yo u 'r e lookin g a t a rang e

, bu t wh y no t go

23 fo r th e bette r optio n

. Dalla s

, Housto n

, an d Sa n Antonio

24 alone

, ove r th e pas t coupl e o f day s

, ar e a t 8 0 an d 81

,

25 a s Ji m ha s allude d t o

.COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Dalla s / For t Wort h are a ha s no t bee n in

2 attainmen t fo r ove r 4 0 year s

. Fo r som e folk s her e

, that

3 i s thei r entir e lifetim e

. An d s o

, yo u kno w

, we ' r e her e

,

4 basicall y

, t o suppor t yo u

. W e 'r e askin g yo u t o mak e the

5 standar d bette r

, t o reall y ti e i n th e standar d

, because

6 i t affect s multipl e live s

. I kno w a lo t o f folk s here

7 ar e speakin g fro m th e hear t

. Wh y ? Thi s i s especially

8 importan t t o m e

. A s a chil d

, I als o suffere d from

9 asthm a

, an d I oftentime s

, whe n I wa s youn g

, fel t guilty

10 o f wh y I could n ' t breath e whe n I wa s outsid e during

11 schoo l activitie s o r wh y m y parent s ha d t o rus h from

12 wor k t o tak e m e t o th e clini c becaus e I coul d not

13 breath e a t schoo l

. Th e nurse s

, wha t eve r the y were

14 givin g m e wa s no t stron g enoug h

.

15 An d th e trut h i s tha t i t wa s no t m y fault

,

16 an d i t was n ' t m y parent s ' faul t o f wh y thi s was

17 happenin g

, an d ultimatel y

, I jus t thin k tha t w e deserve

18 bette r i n Texa s

. Parent s deserv e bette r ; I deserve

19 bette r ; an d younge r childre n an d th e elderl y that

20 specifi c all y suffe r fro m thi s deserv e bette r

. An d you

21 kno w

, tha t' s wh y I ' m her e

. Tha t ' s wh y I ha d t o testify

22 t o y' al l t o mak e thing s happe n

. Tha t' s al l I hav e to

23 sa y

.

24 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

25 up

, Grac e Darlin g an d Hele n Bus h

. O n dec k

, w e hav e AndyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Wilso n

.

2 MS

. DARLIN G : Goo d afternoo n

. I do n ' t have

3 anythin g ne w t o sa y othe r tha n t o ech o wha t yo u have

4 hear d her e al l mornin g

, an d tha t i s m y nam e i s Grace

5 Darlin g

. I liv e d i n Arlingto n fo r 4 3 year s

, raise d my

6 famil y her e

. M y childre n bot h ha d asthm a

. Eve n though

7 w e ha d live d i n othe r citie s whe n the y wer e littl e

, when

8 the y cam e her e

, thei r asthm a jus t blossome d an d

- - but

9 thi s i s no t o n a persona l leve l

.

10 Ye s

, I ' d lik e clea n ai r

, bu t i t make s good

11 busines s sens e t o m e t o hav e th e lowe r standar d because

12 i t i s a wi n

- wi n

. Th e technolog y ' s ther e fo r industry

13 an d businesse s t o compl y wit h 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

14 Wha t w e nee d i s th e politica l wil l

, an d i f yo u liv e i n a

15 stat e lik e Texa s wher e busines s profit s outweigh

16 peopl e ' s healt h

, w e nee d al l th e suppor t o f th e federal

17 governmen t tha t w e ca n ge t

. S o I hop e th e E P A will

18 recommen d th e 6 0 an d than k yo u fo r you r tim e

.

19 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Hele n

.

20 MS

. BUS H : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e is

21 Hele n Bus h

. I liv e a t 865 0 Sout h Wester n Boulevar d

,

22 Dalla s

, Texa s

. Tha t ' s th e villag e

. I wan t t o than k you

23 fo r bein g her e

. I wan t t o sa y whe n I rea d abou t the

24 EP A

, I a m totall y supportiv e an d thankfu l fo r you r wor k

.

25 I suppor t

- - I wa s lookin g i n th e ' 7 0 s a t th e greatCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 environmenta l law s passe d

, which

, I think

, founde d yo u

,

2 an d I ' m goin g t o kee p o n protectin g ou r environmen t

.

3 I' v e bee n watchin g thi s

. I 'v e bee n a

4 residen t o f Dalla s sinc e 1 9 73

. I cam e her e a war e of

5 environmen t question s

, an d I' v e live d i n Dalla s for

6 thes e 4 0 years

. I 'v e bee n makin g a livin g

, plu s getting

7 educatio n an d raisin g tw o kid s i n thos e 4 0 year s

, s o my

8 day s wer e fille d u p

. I n 2 0 09

, I specificall y too k up

9 thi s caus e t o loo k a t wha t wa s conservatio n and

10 environmen t problem s i n thi s are a

, an d s o I' v e bee n to

11 quit e a fe w three

- minut e speeche s

, an d I' v e listene d to

12 man y peopl e tal k abou t themselve s

, thei r ow n communit y

,

13 thei r ow n home s

, thei r ow n citie s

.

14 Las t wee k

, I wen t t o Oklahom a Cit y

, an d I

15 listene d t o speeche s

. I cam e bac k t o Dalla s th e next

16 mornin g an d drov e downtow n wit h a vie w o f downtow n and

17 sa w a hug e smo g ove r downtow n Dalla s

. An d the n I looked

18 i n m y ow n communit y

, whic h i s famou s fo r having

19 greener y

- - gree n space s i n a n apartmen t comple x

, an d I

20 could n ' t believ e i t

, bu t I coul d se e th e smo g rolling

21 throug h th e tree s fro m 7 5 an d th e mornin g brow n haze

22 tha t' s famou s

.

23 T o me

, the y ' r e calle d

- - wha t ' s goin g o n in

24 thi s regiona l basi s

, " haz e " i s a n i n credibl e euphemis m

.

25 It ' s stil l smo g

, i t' s wors e

, an d it ' s no t jus t overCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 citie s

. It ' s no w regiona l

. An d t o me

, whe n I liste n to

2 thes e sensibl e peopl e tal k t o yo u a s a committe e an d our

3 governmen t official s an d thos e i n powe r

, downtow n at

4 Cit y Hal l

, I thin k w e ca n hardl y conve y ho w stron g our

5 feeling s ar e

, an d als o kno w tha t I represen t certain

6 friend s

, a goo d numbe r o f ne t work s tha t agre e wit h me

,

7 tha t wor k 4 0

, 5 0

, 6 0 hour s a wee k tha t ca n ' t b e her e

.

8 I hav e friend s tha t sa y

, wel l

, nothin g ' s

9 goin g t o happe n

- - becaus e I tal k t o m y own

10 contemporarie s

. S o no w

, I wan t t o sa y

, w e nee d

- - we

11 ar e ver y sensibl y speakin g t o yo u

, an d controlle d

, and

12 studie d th e subjec t t o tr y t o persuad e yo u t o uphol d the

13 stronges t standard s tha t yo u possibl y ca n becaus e the

14 standard s ar e goin g dow n an d w e' r e bein g converge d

.

15 There ' s a convergenc e fro m th e othe r citie s tha t they

16 predicte d 4 0 year s ag o

, an d w e 'r e livin g the m no w

, and

17 w e did n' t stee r a wa y fro m thi s proble m tha t w e saw

18 comin g a t u s

. We ' r e livin g th e sam e lif e

.

19 Yo u

- - I than k yo u fo r bein g her e

. I would

20 almos t wan t t o tur n t o th e audienc e an d g o

, w e ar e also

21 responsibl e

. An d I wan t t o tel l yo u on e wa y tha t might

22 illustrat e ho w muc h I kno w abou t thi s fro m livin g in

23 Seoul

, Kore a

, rememberin g article s abou t Toky o

, an d the

24 policeme n wor e bi g antiqu e ga s mask s ever y da y t o work

25 t o direc t traffi c

, an d Lo s Angele s ha s a famou s problemCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 tha t the y wer e goin g t o re solv e b y bette r car s

. An d New

2 Yor k Cit y solve d som e o f it s problem s

. Bu t Texa s is

3 gettin g a convergenc e

.

4 So

, I wan t t o tel l yo u ho w strongl y I

5 believ e thi s proble m need s t o b e addresse d and

6 conquere d

. I believ e

- - I believ e whe n I cam e her e that

7 a s a communit y o f peopl e

, w e wer e goin g t o b e stepping

8 bac k i n ou r standard s o f livin g s o tha t w e would n ' t be

9 powerin g th e greenhous e gase s the y alread y kne w abou t in

10 th e ' 6 0s

, an d w e would n ' t b e powerin g u p thi s wit h more

11 materia l wealt h

, tha t manufacturin g energ y

, daily

12 livin g

, car s

, home s

, productio n al l generat e thi s

.

13 I do n ' t kno w i f w e ca n reall y g o bac k

. I

14 rea d quit e a fe w book s tha t sa y ou r wors t enem y is

15 traditio n

, an d I hav e foun d tha t t o b e tru e

, because

16 whe n I loo k a t situation s tha t are n ' t traditiona l

, I' m

17 jus t on e o f thos e tha t ru n fo r cove r an d loo k fo r a

18 bric k hous e an d a picke t fenc e an d regula r ca r

. I ' m as

19 ba d a s anybod y

. Tha t ' s wh y i t ' s communit y

, an d tha t' s

20 wh y i t ' s publicit y

, an d tha t' s wh y i t' s talkin g about

21 th e subjec t

, whic h brin g s m e her e toda y

.

22 I wan t t o sa y on e commen t becaus e I d o kind

23 o f thin k abou t thi s an d tr y t o rea d publi c information

24 availabl e t o m y contemporarie s

. I foun d a n ol d book

25 fro m 1 96 5 b y

- - tha t ha d onl y a chapte r b y Isaa c Asimo v

,COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 on e o f ou r importan t thinker s

, on e tha t influence d Karl

2 Saga n tha t ha d s o man y documentarie s o n channe l 13

. He

3 wrot e abou t 3 0 page s o n wha t h e predicte d th e future

4 woul d b e o f rea l lif e i n 1 9 95

, an d h e write s science

5 fictio n

, an d no w i t' s 2 0 year s late r

.

6 H e wa s s o fa r of f bas e

, an d thi s i s wh y I

7 com e t o trus t m y ow n thinkin g mor e an d mor e eve n though

8 othe r peopl e ca n rea d faste r

, thin k faste r

, remember

9 thing s mor e

. I kee p workin g a t i t

. H e wa s of f bas e of

10 wha t h e predicte d

. Ther e' s

- - than k yo u ver y muc h for

11 listenin g t o m y stor y

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, Berta

13 McLemor e an d And y Wilso n

.

14 MS

. MCLEMOR E : M y nam e i s Bert a McLemor e

,

15 an d I ha d no t intende d t o testif y

. I ha d basicall y come

16 t o liste n

. An d s o I hav e n o statistic s t o offe r yo u

.

17 I' m originall y fro m Ne w Mexic o

, an d I move d t o Texa s and

18 hav e acquire d asthm a

- lik e symptom s sinc e I go t her e

. I

19 use d t o b e a runne r an d a

- - an d the n I ha d t o slo w down

20 an d b e a walke r

. I use d t o d o 3 0

, 00 0 mile s a yea r

. I

21 ca n n o longe r d o tha t becaus e i f I g o ou t an d wal k

- -

22 an d u n fortunatel y

, I walke d her e toda y

- - m y nos e gets

23 stoppe d u p

, an d th e nex t sympto m tha t' s goin g t o

- - I ' m

24 goin g t o acquir e i s tha t I ' m goin g t o star t havin g a

25 sinu s in fectio n

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1 I f I ge t t o 14 0 0 thi s yea r

, I wil l be

2 reall y happ y

, bu t it ' s goin g t o b e withi n m y house

,

3 withi n th e mal l

, withi n som e othe r plac e wher e I

4 ca n ' t

- - do n ' t hav e t o g o outsid e

. I wan t something

5 mor e fo r m y grandchildre n

. I hav e non e righ t no w

, bu t I

6 wan t mor e fo r m y grandchildre n

. I' v e watche d m y son

7 suffe r fro m asthm a

. H e wante d t o b e a footbal l playe r

,

8 bu t h e coul d n' t becaus e h e could n ' t mak e i t throug h the

9 gam e becaus e h e could n ' t breath e

. An d s o h e wen t t o get

10 o n steroid s t o hel p hi m ge t throug h th e tim e

.

11 I woul d lik e t o agre e wit h th e perso n who

12 wa s severa l befor e m e wh o sai d i t wa s foo d

, an d w e tried

13 tha t

. I t ' s no t al l foo d

. It ' s th e ai r

. Yo u ca n' t cut

14 ou t

- - i t ' s no t on e sympto m

. It ' s severa l symptom s

.

15 Bu t i f yo u canno t breath e

, the n yo u migh t a s wel l die

16 anywa y an d tha t ' s wha t w e' r e her e fo r

. I t ' s no t just

17 wate r tha t w e nee d

, bu t it ' s ai r

. I wan t t o than k you

18 fo r eve n havin g regulation s

. Pleas e do n' t giv e up

.

19 Pleas e g o fo r th e stricte r one s s o tha t th e futur e will

20 re mai n

.

21 I f w e ca n ' t breath e

, the n ther e' s n o hope

22 fo r anybod y

, an d I than k yo u fo r takin g o n tha t

- - the

23 charg e o f tryin g t o clea n u p th e ai r

. Pleas e do n' t be

24 intimidate d

. Pleas e d o it

. Than k yo u

.

25 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. And y

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1 MR

. WILSO N : H i

. Thank s fo r thi s occasio n

.

2 I' m her e t o tal k abou t m y frien d

, Jef f

. Thi s i s Jeff

3 Weiss

, a goo d frien d o f min e

, an d I ' m

- - thi s i s th e

- -

4 i n memoria m p ag e fro m th e Walke r Funera l Hom e i n Uta h

.

5 Jef f Michae l Weis s

, belove d brothe r an d so n

, passe d a way

6 unexpectedl y o n Ma y 2 7

, 20 1 4 a t th e Universit y o f Utah

7 Medica l Cente r fro m complication s fro m a massiv e asthma

8 attac k

. Jef f wa s 4 9 year s ol d

.

9 Jef f wa s a grea t frien d an d wel l known

10 throughou t th e communit y

. Ove r a thousan d peopl e came

11 t o hi s funera l

. W e love d hi m

. H e wa s a brothe r

, h e was

12 a mento r

, an d h e live d i n Sal t Lak e Count y

, whic h

, every

13 Januar y an d Februar y

, ha s som e o f th e wors t air

14 pollutio n i n th e entir e countr y

. O n th e da y o f his

15 asthm a attac k whe n h e passe d a wa y

, th e Uta h Divisio n of

16 Ai r Qualit y ha d th e ai r qualit y tha t da y a s ( inaudibl e )

17 standard s

. Bu t I checke d

, an d th e ozon e level s wer e in

18 th e 6 0 s

.

19 Th e system s tha t w e hav e i n plac e are

20 simpl y no t doin g th e jo b tha t the y nee d t o d o t o inform

21 th e publi c an d t o prote c t th e publi c

, an d I a m convinced

22 an d othe r o f Jef f ' s friend s ar e convince d tha t h e passed

23 a wa y largel y becaus e w e faile d

. W e faile d t o stan d up

24 fo r clea n ai r an d

, yo u kno w

, i t' s eas y

- - i t wa s always

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1 thing

.

2 I believ e i n clea n ai r ; I believ e i n clean

3 water

, bu t I 'l l tel l yo u wha t

, I did n' t car e abou t clean

4 ai r unti l I go t a phon e cal l

, livin g

- - wel l

, goin g to

5 gra d schoo l i n th e Bron x fro m a membe r o f ou r church

6 boar d askin g u s i f w e coul d pleas e driv e the m t o the

7 emergenc y roo m becaus e thei r chil d wa s havin g a n asthma

8 attac k

.

9 I did n ' t realiz e ho w muc h w e wer e hurting

10 peopl e

, becaus e i t wa s al l i n th e abstrac t

, an d that

11 immediatel y break s m e ou t o f th e whit e privilege d world

12 tha t I liv e i n t o b e i n a communit y o f colo r wher e this

13 i s dail y fo r the m

, an d w e ar e failin g thos e communities

14 an d allowin g u s t o creat e environmenta l sacrific e zones

15 wher e

- - wel l

, the y ar e n ' t violatin g al l o f the

16 standard s

, bu t the y ar e occasionall y violatin g som e

, and

17 yo u kno w

, th e NO x level s

, th e ozon e level s ther e

,

18 the y' r e oka y ; the y coul d b e stronge r

.

19 The y' r e obviousl y no t stron g enough

20 becaus e

, a s we ' v e hear d fro m s o man y peopl e testifying

21 today

, ther e ' s rea l har m bein g don e

, an d s o man y people

22 hav e thes e storie s

, an d w e nee d t o d o bette r

. An d I

23 sincerel y hop e tha t w e wil l

. M y fathe r stil l live s in

24 Uta h count y

. H e suffer s fro m CO P D an d asthm a

, an d every

25 yea r

, I hop e tha t th e ai r qualit y wil l ge t bette r an d weCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 wil l d o somethin g s o tha t I do n' t los e hi m u n expectedly

2 a s wel l

. Thank s fo r you r tim e

.

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

4 up

, w e hav e Susa n Coope r an d Mar y Goodma n

.

5 MS

. GOODMA N : Hell o

, m y nam e i s Mary

6 Goodma n

, an d I ' m th e chairperso n o f th e For t Worth

7 Sierr a Clu b

, an d I ' m speakin g o n be hal f o f th e Sierra

8 Clu b an d als o o n b e hal f o f mysel f

. Texa s i s no t a fan

9 o f regulation s

, a s yo u al l kno w

, an d w e hav e n ' t me t the

10 ozon e number s tha t w e shoul d hav e me t year s ag o

. And

11 Texa s ( inaudibl e ) sa y w e 'r e goin g t o d o

, bu t yo u all

12 kno w wha t th e T CE Q i s lik e

.

13 Anywa y

, th e Sierr a Clu b recommend s o r our

14 opinio n i s tha t w e woul d lik e th e ozon e standar d lowered

15 t o a t leas t 6 5 part s pe r billio n

, an d w e' r e nowhere

16 clos e t o tha t righ t no w

. Ou r advantage s t o tha t i s that

17 i t woul d lowe r asthm a rate s

, whic h m y grea t nephe w ha s

,

18 an d case s o f lun g diseas e an d hear t diseas e

. Lowering

19 th e standar d

- - lowerin g th e ozon e woul d caus e Texa s to

20 mak e change s t o it s ai r qualit y pla n

, an d

- - hopefully

21 b y mor e closel y regulatin g th e coa l fir e plant s an d the

22 oi l an d ga s industr y

.

23 I t woul d sav e mone y spen t o n healthcar e

,

24 th e emergenc y roo m visit s

, woul d mak e breathin g easier

25 i n th e D F W are a

, an d wit h tha t

, woul d dra w moreCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 companie s t o

- - an d job s t o Texa s

. Sinc e Texa s i s not

2 reall y carryin g ou t o r e n forcin g ou r federa l law s no w

,

3 w e fee l

- - w e recommen d tha t th e EP A tak e ove r air

4 ( inaudibl e ) an d r e visio n o f th e stat e implementation

5 pla n fro m th e T CE Q

, an d jus t than k yo u al l fo r being

6 her e

. An d personall y

, I ' m a Democra t

, an d i t ' s lonely

7 i n Texa s t o b e a Democra t

, an d s o w e rel y o n th e Fed s to

8 hel p u s ge t wha t w e nee d

, becaus e regulatio n i s just

9 anathem a t o thi s stat e

.

10 MS

. COOPE R : Than k yo u

. I a m Susa n Torres

11 Coope r

. Pleas e not e tha t i n fron t o f m e

, I hav e a

12 nebulize r

, a n inhale r

, a rescu e inhale r

, a flutter

13 valve

, whic h i s designe d t o reliev e ches t congestio n

,

14 an d a bottl e o f Robitussi n t o subdu e violen t coughin g

.

15 I a m i n th e car e o f a pulmonologis t

. I ge t severe

16 bronchiti s an d hav e sometime s bee n hospita l ize d fo r i t

.

17 Bu t

, o f cours e

, I liv e i n th e Dalla s / Fort

18 Wort h are a whic h

, accordin g t o th e America n Lung

19 Associatio n

, i s eight h amon g citie s fo r ozon e pollutio n

.

20 A s yo u surel y kno w

, ou r are a ha s bee n i n no n attainment

21 fo r abou t 2 5 year s

. Th e America n Lun g Association

22 state s mor e tha n hal f th e peopl e i n th e Unite d States

23 stil l breath e ai r dirt y enoug h t o caus e healt h problem s

.

24 I spea k o f healt h problem s suc h a s asthm a

,

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1 respirator y problem s

, als o cance r

, pr e matur e birth s

, and

2 birt h defect s

. Th e ai r tend s t o b e dirties t i n larger

3 citie s

. Th e cause s ar e multipl e

, an d the y are

4 cumulativ e

. Citie s ar e congeste d wit h traffi c and

5 therefor e hig h vehicula r emission s

. Coa l minin g by

6 mountai n to p remova l spew s ton s o f debri s int o th e ai r

,

7 an d tha t ' s causin g hig h incidenc e o f cance r an d other

8 illnesse s t o th e citizen s o f Appalachi a

.

9 Coa l fire d powe r plant s ejec t thousand s of

10 ton s o f particulate s int o th e ai r

. Thi s pollution

11 ex tend s t o Louisian a

, Arkansa s

, an d ex tensiv e area s in

12 Texas

, includin g ou r ow n Metrople x

, an d reache s a s far

13 a s Bi g Ben d

, approximatel y 50 0 mile s a wa y

. Th e Unio n of

14 Concerne d Scientist s state s

, coa l i s th e wors t offende r

,

15 a dirt y energ y sourc e tha t produce s les s tha n hal f of

16 ou r electricit y bu t nearl y 8 0 percen t o f al l powe r plant

17 carbo n emission s

.

18 Frackin g

. Th e healt h risk s fro m fracking

19 ar e no t limite d t o wha t ' s i n ou r drinkin g water

. Oil

20 an d ga s operation s ar e als o poisonin g th e ai r we

21 breath e

, say s Natura l R e source s Defens e Counci l senior

22 scientis t

, Mario n ( inaudibl e )

. An d ( inaudibl e ) ar e not

23 eve n require d t o di s clos e wha t chemical s the y us e

.

24 Nuclea r powe r plant s produc e n o air

25 pollutio n o r globa l warmin g e mission s whe n the y operateCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 bu t ca n caus e damag e t o huma n healt h an d th e environment

2 i n th e even t o f a mel t dow n o r othe r disaste r

, as

3 evidence d b y th e Fukushim a disaste r i n Japan

.

4 Oi l

, an d especiall y ( inaudibl e )

, ar e the

5 mos t dangerou s o f al l

. Conside r al l o f th e rupture s

,

6 spill s

, an d explosion s tha t happe n eve n jus t i n re cent

7 years

. A n oi l pip e jus t explode d i n Wes t Virgini a with

8 flame s an d hug e volume s o f filth y smok e

. Th e B P s pill

9 ha s no t bee n cleane d u p ye t

. Ther e i s n o successful

10 technolog y t o clea n u p ta r sand s spill s

, suc h a s tha t in

11 th e Kalamazo o Rive r o r th e Exxo n spil l a t Ma y flowe r

,

12 Arkansa s

.

13 Man y resident s no w hav e lif e changing

14 illnesse s fro m th e spil l

. Communitie s a lon g th e routes

15 o f existin g ta r sand s pipeline s an d th e eart h e x tractive

16 minin g site s repor t hig h incidence s o f cance r

, an d no w

,

17 heave n hel p u s al l

, th e Senat e i s debatin g whethe r to

18 approv e th e constructio n o f a Keyston e Exxo n pipelin e

.

19 EP A

, th e effec t i s cumulativ e and

20 devastatin g

. W e ar e countin g o n yo u t o reduc e the

21 dange r t o publi c healt h b y settin g stric t carbo n limits

22 an d imposin g hars h an d meaningfu l penaltie s t o corporate

23 violator s

. Breathin g clea n ai r an d drinkin g saf e water

24 ar e basi c huma n need s

. W e ar e countin g o n yo u

. Yo u of

25 th e E P A ar e ou r las t hop e

. Than k yo u

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1 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, we ' d like

2 t o invit e u p Lawrenc e Goo d ma n an d A l Brade n

.

3 MR

. GOODMA N : M y nam e i s Lawrenc e Goo d ma n

.

4 I' m vic e chai r o f th e For t Wort h grou p Sierr a Clu b

. I ' m

5 her e representin g th e Sierr a Clu b i n ou r are a and

6 mysel f

. A s on e o f th e ladie s befor e m e sai d

, I ca n ' t

7 imagin e anythin g mor e importan t tha n ou r ai r

. Without

8 it

, w e di e

, an d thi s i s no t jus t tal k

. I n Texa s

, in

9 thi s are a

, T CE Q ha s show n repeatedl y the y ' r e not

10 intereste d i n ou r ai r

.

11 Th e Midlothia n are a southeas t o f her e has

12 ha d cemen t kiln s

. Th e ai r ha s reall y bee n affecte d by

13 tha t

. T C E Q ha s don e nothin g t o affec t tha t an d nothing

14 t o chang e tha t

. Th e onl y thin g tha t ha s change d i s in

15 th e citie s i n th e are a refusin g t o bu y thei r cemen t

, and

16 tha t ha s helpe d

, bu t w e stil l hav e on e kil n tha t ' s

17 dirty

, an d i t need s t o chang e

.

18 I als o woul d lik e t o recommen d E P A take

19 ove r permittin g i n ou r are a

. TC E Q apparentl y wil l not

20 d o it

. The y wo n' t figh t o r argu e wit h industrie s

, which

21 ar e ver y powerfu l

, I understan d tha t

, bu t thi s i sn ' t

- -

22 TC E Q wo n ' t d o i t

. Ther e ' s bee n a lo t o f example s of

23 federa l authoritie s havin g t o b e involve d i n state

24 issue s whe n th e stat e would n ' t fulfil l their

25 responsibilitie s

. Unfortunatel y

, som e o f tha t happenedCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 i n th e ' 6 0 s whe n th e state s wer e no t givin g equa l rights

2 t o peopl e

, an d I thin k thi s i s i n th e sam e fram e of

3 tha t

. I gues s tha t' s al l I hav e t o sa y

. Than k yo u for

4 you r attentio n

. I appreciat e y' al l bein g her e toda y

.

5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

6 MR

. BRADE N : Hell o

. M y nam e i s A l Brade n

.

7 I' m fro m Austi n

. Than k yo u fo r bein g her e an d listening

8 t o ou r citizen s toda y

, an d no t jus t t o th e corporation s

,

9 a s w e tal k abou t ou r concern s fo r clea n ai r

. Th e lady

10 wh o spok e jus t a minut e ag o

, I thin k

, tell s yo u wh y air

11 i s s o criticall y importan t

. Bu t w e coun t o n yo u t o make

12 ou r ai r clea n

, ou r wate r clea n

, an d t o tak e th e toxins

13 ou t o f ou r soil s

.

14 I remembe r th e firs t Eart h Da y i n 1 9 7 0 and

15 th e hop e tha t w e ha d tha t ou r voice s woul d finall y be

16 heard

. Th e lif e sustainin g ai r an d wate r woul d be

17 re newe d

. Frankl y

, I wa s n o fa n o f Richar d Nixo n

, but

18 eve n h e hear d th e nee d t o r e mov e toxin s

, s o Richard

19 Nixo n listene d an d creat e th e EP A bac k i n 19 7 0

. S o it

20 wa s wit h a pr o foun d sens e o f iron y a s w e debat e the

21 ozon e limit s o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n tha t th e scientific

22 communit y show s coul d b e lif e savin g tha t I mov e to

23 wonde r

, d o w e hav e Richar d Nixon ' s courag e toda y ?

24 I liste n e d intensel y t o Senator

25 White hous e' s hearing s o n ozon e thi s pas t Decembe r

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1 th e curren t mantr a o f Congres s i s

, I ' m n o scientis t

.

2 Wel l

, I ' m no t a scientis t eithe r

, bu t I ca n rea d and

3 liste n an d evaluat e evidenc e

. Th e evidenc e pu t before

4 Senato r Whitehous e ' s committe e wa s reall y compellin g

.

5 Dr

. Gregor y Wellnes s o f Brow n Universit y Schoo l Public

6 Healt h outline d th e scientifi c consensu s o f 1 4 major

7 nationa l healt h organization s t o joi n i n a lette r to

8 Presiden t Obam a

, strongl y supportin g th e 6 0 part s per

9 billio n

, sayin g i t woul d clearl y sav e live s among

10 childre n

.

11 Amon g other s

, i t wa s signe d b y th e American

12 Academ y o f Pediatric s

, America n Hear t Associatio n

,

13 America n Lun g Associatio n

, an d th e America n ( inaudibl e )

14 Societ y

. Thes e ar e th e scientifi c e xpert s wh o know

15 firsthan d an d muc h mor e tha n I ho w ozon e affects

16 everyda y live s o f American s

, an d thei r testimony

17 summarize d ove r a thousan d scientifi c studie s

.

18 Al l o f thes e studie s ar e par t o f the

19 overwhelmin g evidenc e tha t ' s alread y bee n presente d to

20 EP A pointin g t o healt h an d environmenta l damag e in

21 countles s way s

. Als o ( inaudibl e ) theorie s wa s D r

. Brian

22 Sha w

, hea d o f Texa s Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y

.

23 I n th e fac e o f tha t scientifi c evidenc e

, D r

. Sha w wa s a

24 no

- sho w

, bu t hi s view s ar e prett y wel l known

.

25 A lea d stor y i n th e Austi n America n onCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Decembe r 27 t h quote d Michae l Honeycut t

, a researche r who

2 work s fo r D r

. Sha w a s sayin g

, quote

, on e reaso n we

3 shoul d n' t worr y s o muc h abou t ai r pollutio n i s tha t we

4 spen d mos t o f ou r tim e i ndoor s

. TC E Q i s plannin g to

5 spen d $1

. 6 5 millio n fo r researc h t o suppor t tha t point

6 o f vie w

. Clearl y

, w e i n Texa s nee d outsid e hel p t o take

7 car e o f ou r outsid e ai r

. S o

, m y questio n t o th e E P A is

8 no t ho w t o mak e ou r ai r safe r t o breath e

, it ' s wh y it

9 take s s o lon g

. An d I kno w th e answe r

.

10 Th e bi g fossi l fue l industr y h a s muc h

- - is

11 hug e an d ha s muc h politica l powe r

, bu t I as k yo u to

12 continu e t o liste n t o citizen s wh o breath e th e ai r

, the

13 childre n

, th e elderl y

, an d th e poo r wh o liv e nea r the

14 ozon e producin g powe r plant s

. I n Austi n

, ther e are

15 school s directl y acros s th e stree t fro m ou r biggest

16 poin t sourc e o f ozon e pollutio n

, whic h i s th e aging

17 Decke r Ga s plan t

. An d i n Fayett e

, dow n i n LeGrange

18 Count y

, ou r coa l plan t i s th e eight h larges t single

19 poin t sourc e o f nitroge n oxide s i n al l o f Texas

.

20 S o I as k yo u

, pleas e giv e u s th e necessary

21 6 0 part s pe r billio n ozon e regulation s tha t medical

22 expert s acros s th e countr y demonstrat e wil l hel p us

23 breath e safe r ai r

. Pleas e giv e u s th e regulation s we

24 nee d t o brin g loca l pressur e t o clea n u p ou r ow n ac t

.

25 Than k yo u

. Than k yo u ver y muc h fo r you r servic e

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1 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. At

2 thi s poin t

, w e hav e complete d ou r mornin g sessio n an d we

3 wil l reces s unti l 2: 0 0 p .m

. an d tak e furthe r testimon y

.

4 S o g o t o lunch

.

5 (Brea k take n fro m 1: 0 7 p .m

. t o 2 : 0 5 p. m

. )

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Goo d afternoo n

, an d welcome

7 bac k

. M y nam e i s Willia m Nieblin g

. W e appreciat e you

8 fo r bein g her e today

. W e' r e her e toda y t o liste n to

9 you r comment s ( inaudibl e ) t o th e Nationa l Ambien t Air

10 Qualit y Standard s fo r Ozon e

. W e starte d thi s hearing

11 thi s mornin g an d too k a brie f brea k fo r lunc h

. I n a

12 momen t

, I ' m goin g t o cal l u p Thoma s ( inaudibl e ) and

13 ( inaudibl e ) Bryme r

, th e firs t tw o peopl e t o testif y for

14 ou r afternoo n sessio n

.

15 Th e propose d Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Quality

16 Standard s fo r Ozon e wer e announce d o n Novembe r 2 5

, 201 4

,

17 an d publishe d i n th e Federa l Registe r o n Decembe r 1 7 of

18 20 1 4

. E P A' s proposa l i s base d o n extensiv e scientific

19 evidenc e abou t ozone ' s effec t o n publi c healt h and

20 welfar e

. Th e pr o pose d update s wil l im prov e public

21 healt h protectio n

, particularl y fo r childre n

, the

22 elderl y

, an d peopl e o f al l age s wh o hav e lun g diseases

23 suc h a s asthm a

.

24 I t wil l als o improv e publi c welfare

25 protectio n

, particularl y relate d t o ozon e sensitiveCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 tree s an d othe r ( inaudibl e ) ecosystem s suc h a s national

2 wildernes s area s

. W e 'v e pr opose d ( inaudibl e ) primary

3 ozon e standar d t o protec t th e publi c healt h an d the

4 secondar y ( inaudibl e ) standar d t o protec t public

5 welfar e

.

6 We ' r e pr o posin g t o se t th e level s i n the

7 primar y an d secondar y i n th e rang e fro m 6 5 t o 7 0 parts

8 pe r billio n

. Thes e standard s wil l b e me t whe n the

9 three

- yea r averag e o f th e fourt h highes t dail y maximum

10 eight

- hou r ozon e concentratio n i s a t o r b e lo w th e new

11 level

. Th e proposa l woul d als o e x ten d th e ozone

12 monitorin g seaso n fo r man y state s an d updat e th e air

13 qualit y t o ensur e tha t peopl e ar e informe d abou t their

14 ai r qualit y

. Thes e pr o pose d standard s d o no t establish

15 e missio n contro l s ( inaudibl e ) industr y

.

16 Instea d

, eac h stat e

, a s neede d

, will

17 determin e ho w bes t t o mee t th e standard s i n a wa y that

18 make s th e mos t sens e fo r tha t are a

. State s wil l have

19 tim e t o develo p an d implemen t plan s t o mee t th e re vised

20 standard s

, an d existin g ( inaudibl e ) federa l rule s will

21 hel p th e vas t majorit y o f area s mee t th e proposed

22 standar d b y 20 2 5

. I ' d lik e t o than k yo u eac h fo r taking

23 tim e ou t o f you r da y t o ( inaudibl e ) an d shar e your

24 comment s

.

25 Befor e w e ge t starte d

, I ' d lik e t o goCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 throug h som e housekeepin g item s an d groun d rule s t o make

2 sur e tha t thi s afternoo n move s swiftl y

. Firs t

, please

3 b e sur e yo u ' v e checke d i n a t th e registratio n des k

, even

4 i f yo u ar e no t plannin g t o spea k today

, an d i f you

5 signe d u p t o spea k onlin e o r o n th e phone

, le t th e EP A

6 staf f kno w tha t yo u' v e arri ve d

. I wil l cal l u p speakers

7 i n pairs

.

8 Whe n you r nam e i s calle d

, com e u p t o the

9 fron t o f th e roo m

. I 'l l cal l o n yo u t o pleas e state

10 you r nam e an d pleas e stat e i t fo r th e cour t reporte r so

11 sh e ca n spel l i t accuratel y

. You r comment s wil l be

12 transcribe d an d include d i n th e officia l record s o n the

13 pr o pose d rul e

. Eac h speake r wil l hav e fiv e minute s to

14 giv e comment s

. W e hav e a ligh t her e t o le t yo u kno w how

15 muc h tim e yo u hav e r e maine d t o spea k

. Th e ligh t will

16 flas h re d an d bee p whe n yo u 'v e spoke n fo r fiv e minutes

17 an d i t ' s tim e t o sto p

.

18 Pleas e r e mai n a t th e tabl e unti l th e person

19 nex t t o yo u ha s complete d a s wel l

. We ' r e her e t o listen

20 t o yo u toda y

. Howeve r

, a pane l membe r ma y as k questions

21 t o clarif y you r comment s

. Afte r ea c h pai r o f speakers

22 ha s spoke n

, I wil l cal l u p th e nex t pai r an d s o o n and

23 s o forth

. I f yo u hav e a writte n cop y o f you r testimon y

,

24 giv e a cop y befor e yo u leav e toda y

. W e wil l pu t any

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1 rul e

.

2 I f yo u hav e additiona l comment s yo u would

3 lik e t o mak e

, submi t the m i n writin g unti l Marc h 1 7 th

,

4 20 1 5

. Instruction s ar e availabl e a t th e material s table

5 nea r th e des k

. Th e hearin g wil l continu e unti l 7: 30

6 p. m

. tonigh t

. W e ma y tak e break s a s neede d

. I f you

7 hav e an y question s durin g th e da y

, se e th e staf f

, and

8 someon e wil l tr y t o hel p yo u

.

9 Finall y

, I' d lik e t o as k eac h o f yo u t o be

10 respectfu l o f everyon e toda y

. W e woul d lik e t o hear

11 fro m eac h o f yo u

. S o tha t w e ca n b e fai r

, w e as k that

12 everyon e liste n quietl y

. Eve n applaus e ca n slo w things

13 dow n

. Than k yo u agai n fo r takin g th e tim e toda y to

14 shar e you r comment s o n E PA ' s proposa l

, an d w e shoul d get

15 ou r afternoo n starte d

.

16 S o wit h tha t

, I ' d lik e t o invit e u p Tom

17 " Smitt y " Smit h an d Davi d Bryme r

.

18 MR

. SMIT H : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e i s Tom

19 " Smitt y " Smith

. I ' m directo r o f Publi c Citizen s ' Texas

20 offic e

. M y nam e

- - I ru n a grou p calle d Publi c Citizens

21 Texas

, whic h i s a nationa l consume r an d environmental

22 organizatio n

, an d I' v e ru n thei r Texa s offic e fo r 30

23 years

. I ' m her e o n thei r b e hal f

, bu t I ' m als o her e as

24 a n adul t onse t asthmati c

.

25 Fo r abou t 1 6 year s

, I 'v e ha d th e greatCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 pleasur e o f livin g nea r t o Interstat e 3 5 an d abou t eight

2 mile s fro m downtow n Austi n an d adjacen t t o th e old

3 Muelle r Airpor t

. Abou t te n year s int o tha t residenc y

, I

4 bega n t o wheez e

, an d I could n ' t rid e m y bik e anymor e

.

5 An d I wen t t o m y physicia n

, an d h e sai d

, wel l

, du h

, what

6 ar e yo u thinkin g ? Yo u' r e i n a perfec t place

. Yo u burn

7 you r lung s fro m th e ozon e comin g bot h fro m th e highway

8 an d fro m tha t airpor t

.

9 A s a resul t o f tha t

, I bega n t o d o what

10 man y o f u s a s asthmatic s d o

, th e dail y ritua l of

11 inhaler s

, neve r goin g anywher e withou t a n inhale r i n my

12 pocke t o r m y briefcas e an d severa l i n m y car s

. I' m a

13 luck y ma n i n tha t I' m abl e t o stil l breath e an d wal k and

14 I' v e go t a whol e lo t o f restriction s wit h these

15 medication s

, an d ( inaudibl e ) place s becaus e the y can

16 caus e trigge r

.

17 Whe n yo u loo k a t th e dat a nationall y

, what

18 yo u se e i s million s o f dollar s ' wort h of

19 healt h car e

- relate d cost s associate d wit h asthm a tha t are

20 bor n e no t onl y b y th e peopl e wh o hav e asthm a

, bu t the

21 peopl e

- - th e insuranc e companie s

, an d her e i n Texa s

,

22 sinc e abou t a quarte r o f ou r medica l o r populatio n is

23 eligibl e fo r Medicai d

, increasingl y

, peopl e i n th e State

24 o f Texas

, an d ever y tim e a ki d ha s a difficul t time

25 breathin g an d i s rushe d t o th e emergenc y roo m

, i t cos t sCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 taxpayer s o r thei r parent s $3

, 00 0

, o n averag e

, fo r that

2 emergenc y roo m visit

.

3 On e o f th e larges t source s o f th e gases

4 tha t ar e causin g asthm a o r th e ozon e i s triggerin g a lot

5 o f thes e asthm a attack s ar e th e bi g ol d coa l plant s to

6 th e sout h an d eas t o f th e Dalla s / For t Wort h are a

. I' m

7 her e toda y

, i n particula r

, t o poin t ou t tha t those

8 emission s comin g fro m thos e coa l plant s could

9 dramaticall y b e reduce d

, eithe r throug h th e additio n of

10 of f

- th e

- shel f control s tha t T C E Q ha s no w permitte d for

11 othe r coa l plant s i n th e Stat e o f Texa s

, both

12 traditiona l ( inaudibl e ) rive r basin

, bu t als o th e

- -

13 tha t hav e a n effectiv e rat e i n nort h o f 9 0 percen t

.

14 An d tha t thos e woul d mak e a significant

15 differenc e

, bot h i n term s o f th e ai r qualit y downstream

16 o r downwin d

, bu t als o i n term s o f healt h car e cos t

.

17 Yo u 'l l hea r mor e abou t tha t late r o n fro m Dr

. Robert

18 Haley

. Bu t whe n yo u loo k a t healt h car e cos t s fro m coal

19 i n Texas

, estimat e b y th e Clea n Ai r Tas k Forc e i s about

20 $2

. 5 billio n a yea r fro m ai r pollutio n relate d t o these

21 bi g coa l plant s

, an d mos t o f tha t

, u nfortunatel y

, i s due

22 t o earl y death

, bu t a significan t amoun t o f i t i s du e to

23 avoidabl e asthm a

- relate d attack s tha t w e' r e al l paying

24 fo r

, somewher e i n th e neighborhoo d o f abou t $ 30 0 million

25 a yea r

, an d tha t come s fro m th e sourc e

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1 An d whe n yo u loo k a t th e studie s tha t have

2 bee n don e

, on e o f th e thing s tha t stand s ou t

, an d T CE Q ' s

3 ow n dat a i s tha t i f yo u loo k a t th e populatio n o f coal

4 plant s i n sout h

- - th e southeas t o f Dalla s

, an d you

5 compar e i t t o th e 7 5 part s pe r billio n stud y w e hav e in

6 Texa s fo r ozon e toda y

, tha t th e monito r a t Denton

7 Airpor t Sout h tha t doe s no t compl y an d i s th e one

8 re mainin g monito r i n thi s are a tha t woul d no t comply

9 wit h th e 7 5 part s pe r billio n woul d com e i n compliance

10 i f yo u simpl y require d S CR s o n al l o f th e existin g coal

11 plant s i n sout h an d eas t Texa s

. An d th e folk s ove r at

12 TC E Q no w conside r tha t bes t availabl e control

13 technologie s

.

14 I t would

, i n additio n

, no t onl y brin g into

15 complianc e

, mak e a bi g dow n paymen t o n gettin g t o th e 70

16 part s pe r billio n leve l tha t yo u al l ar e considerin g

.

17 No w

, I woul d urg e yo u t o g o deepe r

, certainl y dow n t o 6 5

18 an d dow n t o 60

, becaus e it ' s goin g t o sav e u s al l mone y

,

19 an d i t wil l allo w u s t o tak e a dee p breat h i n the

20 Dalla s / For t Wort h are a agai n

. Th an k yo u al l fo r your

21 tim e

.

22 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

23 MR

. BRYME R : I ' m Davi d Bryme r

. Th e TC E Q

24 recommend s retainin g th e ozon e standar d

, becaus e the

25 availabl e scienc e doe s no t suppor t th e standar d betweenCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 6 5 an d 7 0 wil l provid e additiona l healt h benefit s

. For

2 exampl e

, th e E P A' s ow n analysi s doe s no t sho w reduction

3 i n th e asthm a patient s fro m lowerin g th e standar d

.

4 There ' s n o doub t th e ozon e level s i n 8 0 s

5 an d 9 0 s cause d healt h effect s an d i m prove d ai r quality

6 ( inaudibl e ) th e healt h standard s

. Howeve r

, th e EP A has

7 no t demonstrate d tha t furthe r lowerin g o f th e ozone

8 standar d i s necessar y t o protec t publi c healt h

. Air

9 qualit y no w i s bette r tha n eve r

. Mos t o f Texa s recorded

10 th e lowes t ozon e damag e eve r i n 2 01 4

. Th e Housto n and

11 Dalla s / For t Wort h area s hav e see n ozon e level s reduced

12 2 9 an d 2 1 percen t respectivel y fo r th e las t 1 5 years

13 whil e population s in crease d 3 4 an d 2 9 percen t

.

14 Th e citizen s o f Texa s shoul d b e prou d of

15 ou r ( inaudibl e ) t o improv e ai r qualit y

. ( Inaudibl e )

16 mobil e source s

. Fo r exampl e

, i n Housto n

, major

17 stationar y industria l source s hav e cu t emission s over

18 8 0 percen t th e las t 1 5 year s

. Th e r e placemen t o f older

19 o r highe r emittin g vehicle s fo r newe r an d lowe r emitting

20 vehicle s ha s als o resulte d i n significan t NOx

21 reduction s

.

22 ( Inaudibl e ) progra m s tha t incentiv e heavy

23 diese l r e placemen t contribut e t o mobil e emission

24 reduction s

. Larg e additiona l reduction s fo r major

25 stationar y source s wil l b e difficul t i n mos t area s inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Texa s becaus e o f th e tremendou s reduction s alread y made

2 b y industr y

. Mobil e source s no w emi t th e vas t majority

3 o f NO x emission s

, an d significan t reduction s beyond

4 ( inaudibl e ) o r accelerate d ( inaudibl e ) wil l b e very

5 challengin g give n th e limite d jurisdictio n th e states

6 hav e ove r thes e source s

.

7 ( Inaudibl e ) ai r qualit y standar d s are

8 maxed

, i t wil l hav e significan t economi c im pac t on

9 industria l an d mobil e source s suc h a s motorist s and

10 doctor s

. ( Inaudibl e ) on e ton s a yea r o f ( inaudibl e ) and

11 ( inaudibl e ) currentl y ha s a marke t valu e o f $ 20 0

, 00 0

.

12 Sinc e economi c cos t o f thi s rul e woul d b e tremendou s

, it

13 i s imperativ e tha t th e scienc e justifie s thi s rul e

. But

14 mor e importantl y

, integrate d analysi s doe s not

15 demonstrat e healt h benefit s fro m lowerin g th e current

16 standar d

.

17 A significan t r e sourc e i nvestmen t i n a more

18 ( inaudibl e ) standar d i s missin g a n opportunit y to

19 instea d focu s significan t r e source s o n mor e pressing

20 publi c healt h concern s

. Thi s include s determinin g what

21 othe r factor s ( inaudibl e ) qualit y

, allergen s

, secondhand

22 smok e ar e contributin g t o i n creas e ( inaudibl e ) i n lieu

23 o f jus t continuin g t o lowe r th e ozon e standar d an d not

24 realizin g an y reduction s i n asthm a

- relate d illnesse s

.

25 Th e E P A ha s decide d tha t ( inaudibl e )COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 studie s tha t connec t ozon e wit h pr e matur e mortalit y

.

2 Howeve r

, th e majorit y o f thes e studie s d o not

3 appropriatel y accoun t fo r othe r potentia l cause s suc h as

4 temperatur e

, othe r pollutant s o r personal

5 characteristic s

, suc h a s ag e an d smokin g

. Thes e studies

6 ar e i n consisten t i n findin g positiv e associations

7 betwee n ozon e an d pr e matur e mortalit y

. Th e ( inaudibl e )

8 wron g wit h ozon e epidemiolog y studi e s i s that

9 ( inaudibl e ) mi s classificatio n

.

10 I t i s universall y acknowledge d

, eve n b y the

11 EP A

, th e persona l exposur e t o ozon e i t i s 1 0 to

12 2 0 percen t o f ambien t level s

. Thi s mean s that

13 epidemiolog y studie s ove restimat e ozon e exposur e to

14 peopl e i n thos e studie s an d therefor e thei r risk s by

15 fiv e t o tenfol d

. Thi s fac t alon e render s thes e studies

16 no t usefu l i n settin g a n ozon e standar d no r in

17 calculatin g benefit s fo r th e ( inaudibl e ) analysi s

.

18 EP A claim s tha t ozon e cause s pr e mature

19 mortalit y i n concentration s muc h lowe r tha n th e levels

20 hav e show n ( inaudibl e ) an d lun g functio n effec t i n human

21 clinica l studie s

. Thi s i s illogica l becaus e n o toxicant

22 cause s ( inaudibl e ) a t dose s lowe r tha n thos e tha t cause

23 mil d reversibl e effect s

. Th e TC E Q agree s wit h th e EP A

24 tha t th e ozon e clinica l dat a ar e bes t fo r studyin g the

25 ozon e standar d

. TCE Q als o read s tha t ( inaudibl e )COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 1 0 percen t ( inaudibl e ) on e detrimen t i n th e sensitive

2 populatio n i s th e mos t appropriat e en d poin t t o protect

3 agains t becaus e i t i s a mil d an d reversibl e effec t

.

4 Th e mor e re cen t clinica l studie s used

5 health y individual s wh o exercise d fo r 5 0 minute s ou t of

6 ever y hou r fo r nearl y seve n hour s

. Thi s matter s because

7 in crease d exercis e i n crease s ozon e dos e

, an d wit h regard

8 t o sensitiv e population s wit h moderat e o r severe

9 respirator y diseas e

, thi s grou p canno t exercis e a t high

10 level s fo r eigh t hour s ; therefor e

, the y canno t inhale

11 enoug h ozon e a t 7 5 part s pe r billio n t o caus e eve n a

12 mildl y advers e respirator y effec t

.

13 An y tim e th e E P A r evise s th e NAAQ S

, i t is

14 critica l tha t th e agenc y provid e timel y guidanc e t o the

15 state s o n al l aspect s o f implementatio n

, including

16 physica l guidanc e an d model s

. I ' m please d tha t th e EPA

17 acknowledge s th e importanc e o f timel y guidance

18 ( inaudibl e ) developmen t

. I f NAAQ S ar e re vise d

, I

19 strongl y en courag e th e EP A t o adher e t o th e schedul e for

20 releas e o f guidanc e outline d i n th e preambl e t o the

21 pr o pose d rul e

.

22 W e al l shar e i n th e commo n goa l o f clean

23 ai r an d goo d healt h o f ou r citizen s

. Howeve r

, E PA ' s own

24 researc h show s a minima l benefi t fro m th e reduced

25 standar d

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1 th e standar d mor e stringen t

, tha t emphasi s need s t o be

2 place d o n bette r scienc e an d researc h t o determin e the

3 cause s o f increase d asthm a an d th e appropriat e way s to

4 reduc e i t

. Than k yo u fo r allowin g u s t o provide

5 comment s

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t w e' d like

7 t o invit e u p Rober t Harri s an d Davi d Martinea u

. W e 'll

8 pu t o n dec k Susa n Lippma n an d Antoni o Gonzale s

.

9 MR

. HARRI S : I did n' t brin g a written

10 speec h

, bu t I' d lik e t o voic e m y opinio n i n thi s area

11 concernin g th e EP A regulation s

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Woul d yo u pleas e stat e your

13 nam e fo r th e cour t reporte r ?

14 MR

. HARRI S : I ' m sorr y

. Rober t Harri s

, and

15 I' m a n Arlingto n residen t her e i n Texa s

. W e hav e some

16 concern s

- - man y peopl e hav e concern s ove r th e dat a and

17 ove r th e factua l informatio n tha t ' s don e b y certain

18 agencie s i n th e countr y

, no t jus t i n

- - no t jus t o n the

19 ( inaudibl e ) level

, bu t als o o n a n individua l level

.

20 Ther e ha s bee n a lo t o f scientifi c data

21 tha t' s com e ou t i n th e las t decad e tha t dispute s man y of

22 th e thing s w e believe d tw o decade s ag o o r thre e decades

23 ag o

. W e use d t o believ e tha t th e majorit y o f ozon e was

24 generate d b y lightni n g strike s thre e decad e s ag o

, s o we

25 passe d regulation s

. O f cours e

, w e accumulate d dat a andCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 w e use d thi s t o decid e ho w we ' r e goin g t o handl e all

2 thes e situation s

, an d toda y

- - i n 2 0 03

, the y ha d a

3 universit y stud y conducte d ou t o f Texa s A & M University

4 wit h NAS A whic h showe d tha t onl y 3 0 percen t o f ou r ozone

5 i s generate d fro m lightnin g strike s

, whic h wa s a great

6 achievemen t i n th e fac t tha t the y wer e abl e t o collect

7 tha t dat a

, bu t the n i t lef t eve n mor e questions

8 un answere d

, an d thos e question s wer e

, oka y

, wel l

,

9 where ' s th e othe r 7 0 percen t o f th e ozon e comin g fro m ?

10 It ' s bee n her e al l alon g

. W e ca n ' t blam e i t o n man

11 becaus e i t wa s her e befor e ma n existe d o n thi s plane t

.

12 I t leave s a lo t o f interestin g questions

13 tha t w e nee d t o addres s

. An d whe n w e' r e lookin g at

14 dat a

, i t seem s lik e s o man y case s

, w e' l l tak e a little

15 piec e o f th e pi e an d we ' l l tr y t o explai n th e big

16 pictur e wit h i t

. I n th e las t decad e

, sinc e that

17 researc h cam e ou t o f NAS A

, ther e ar e researcher s around

18 th e worl d toda y tha t ar e lookin g a t som e theorie s that

19 alga e releas e s o man y part s pe r billio n int o the

20 atmospher e

, an d ther e ' s bee n evidenc e tha t tha t exist s

.

21 Bu t tha t ' s no t par t o f ou r dynami c progra m i n regulating

22 an d understandin g th e number s o n ho w w e 'r e goin g to

23 conduc t busines s

.

24 Anothe r thin g

, yo u kno w

, bac k i n the

25 '7 0 s

- - an d excus e m e i f I ' m a skepti c

- - bu t bac k inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e ' 7 0s

, the y ra n a n a d i n a commercia l tha t sai d we ' re

2 al l goin g t o bur n u p i f w e do n ' t d o somethin g abou t the

3 ozone

. Oka y

, tha t

- - an d tha t wa s b y th e yea r 2 00 0

.

4 It ' s alread y pas t 200 0

. Tha t has n' t happene d

, s o I

5 thin k tha t wa s a littl e ove r th e to p

. An d tha t was

6 produce d fro m dat a tha t peopl e claime d t o hav e

. You

7 kno w

, a t firs t the y tol d u s tha t th e globa l icecap s were

8 goin g t o mel t b y 2 01 4

. The y' r e stil l ther e

.

9 The y' v e tol d u s th e equato r was n ' t goin g to

10 b e in habitabl e

, bac k i n th e ' 8 0s

, b y 2 0 10

. Ther e are

11 peopl e stil l livin g ou t o n th e equato r

. I ' m not

12 criticizin g th e E P A

. Wha t I' m suggestin g her e i s that

13 w e reac h ou t no t jus t i n thi s countr y

, bu t t o the

14 internationa l communit y

, an d le t ' s com e u p wit h some

15 solid

, soli d evidenc e

. Le t ' s ge t som e mor e researc h in

16 o n where ' s th e othe r 7 0 percen t o f th e ozon e coming

17 fro m ?

18 W e si t bac k a s huma n being s

, an d w e claim

19 t o thin k tha t w e kno w wha t ' s goin g o n

, an d w e control

20 th e plane t

, whe n i n realit y

, th e dat a tha t ' s comin g out

21 seem s t o indicat e tha t th e plane t control s u s

. W e do n ' t

22 contro l i t

. I woul d lik e t o encourag e th e E P A i n moving

23 forwar d t o ge t wit h th e internationa l communit y

, and

24 le t ' s chec k int o som e mor e o f th e researc h tha t ' s going

25 o n aroun d th e worl d

, an d le t' s tr y t o dra w u p someCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 conclusiv e evidenc e o n thi s stuf f instea d o f takin g bits

2 an d piece s o f a puzzl e an d tryin g t o sa y tha t solve s the

3 whol e thing

, becaus e tha t' s no t goin g t o ge t u s wher e we

4 nee d t o b e passin g goo d legislatio n

.

5 An d I do n ' t thin k anybod y ' s i n favo r of

6 dirt y wate r an d ai r

. I kno w I ' m no t

. W e hav e t o do

7 thi s orderl y

, professionall y

, an d w e hav e t o admi t our

8 mi s take s i n th e pas t an d admi t tha t w e weren ' t as

9 intelligen t an d a s smar t a s w e though t w e wer e i n the

10 pas t

. An d le t ' s us e i t

- - an d le t' s us e i t t o our

11 benefi t

, t o ou r natio n ' s benefi t

, fo r th e world ' s

12 benefi t

. Than k yo u

.

13 MR

. MARTINEA U : M y nam e i s Davi d Martinea u

.

14 I liv e i n Dalla s

, Texas

. I bac k u p wha t h e sai d

.

15 Un believabl e

. I' v e bee n i n th e oi l an d ga s busines s in

16 Dalla s

, an d I jus t wan t t o tal k abou t som e o f th e things

17 tha t

- - i t jus t reall y back s u p wha t h e sai d

. I t' s

18 relate d t o healt h im pact s o n th e oi l an d ga s productio n

.

19 A s someon e wh o work s i n th e oi l an d ga s worl d

, I urg e my

20 neighbor s t o b e savv y wit h th e informatio n an d kee p an

21 ey e o n th e claim s masqueradin g a s scienc e whic h have

22 bee n widel y di s credite d b y scienc e e x per t s

.

23 W e hav e see n claim s abou t ai r qualit y and

24 man y o f th e other s whic h ar e base d o n flawe d research

25 an d i n appropriat e compariso n o f ai r tes t result s andCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 safet y threshold s

, jus t her e i n thi s neighborhoo d her e

.

2 I n nort h Texas

, som e hav e linke d breas t cance r with

3 in crease d drillin g

, bu t there ' s n o credibl e evidenc e to

4 suppor t thi s

.

5 A s reporte d b y th e Associate d Pres s ex perts

6 fro m th e Universit y o f Texa s i n Dalla s

, th e Texa s Cancer

7 Registr y an d th e Susa n G

. Kome n fo r th e Cur e i n Dallas

8 al l sai d there ' s n o evidenc e fo r in creas e i n cance r in

9 thes e countie s i n questio n

. Th e Departmen t o f Stat e and

10 Healt h Service s complete d it s thir d investigatio n of

11 cance r i n Flowe r Moun d

, th e are a wher e natura l gas

12 occur s

. Th e investigatio n reache d th e sam e conclusion

13 th e departmen t stud y di d i n 2 0 10

, whic h foun d no

14 evidenc e o f cance r cluster s i n th e are a

.

15 Th e departmen t attribute d th e cance r rates

16 t o th e are a wher e th e natura l ga s ( inaudibl e ) becaus e of

17 th e i n creas e i n populatio n an d th e us e o f mammogram s now

18 t o determin e tha t yo u coul d hav e cance r

. Eve n wa y u p in

19 Colorad o

, fo r exampl e

, yo u ma y hav e rea d th e stor y about

20 i f yo u liv e withi n a mil e o f a wel l

, yo u wer e goin g to

21 ge t cance r base d o n a stud y b y th e Colorad o Schoo l of

22 Healt h

.

23 Wha t yo u rarel y hea r i s tha t thi s widely

24 cite d stu d y als o wa s criticize d broadl y b y th e Colorado

25 Departmen t o f th e o f Publi c Healt h Environmen t fo r itsCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 flawe d methodolog y an d eventuall y wa s d e commissione d by

2 th e Garlan d Count y Commissioner s Court

. Bu t knowing

3 backgroun d o n researc h an d

, yo u kno w

, ther e wa s a fellow

4 her e i n Dalla s tha t di d a littl e researc h

. Hi s nam e was

5 Al a n Armandai s

, an d yo u ma y hav e hear d o f hi m

. H e also

6 worke d fo r th e EP A

. Di d a stud y fo r SM U

. Completely

7 flawe d

.

8 H e claime d tha t al l th e well s i n the

9 Barnet t Shal e wer e causin g everythin g an d th e cars

10 did n' t

. Tha t stud y wa s totall y debunke d

. H e wen t to

11 wor k fo r th e E P A afte r tha t

. The y foun d ou t h e wa s n' t

12 ver y wel l of f

, an d the y ( inaudibl e ) an d no w h e work s for

13

- - yo u 'v e hear d o f th e Sierr a Clu b peopl e

. No w he ' s

14 workin g fo r th e Sierr a Clu b

. Bu t

, yo u kno w

, safety

15 threshold s i n ai r qualit y ar e als o rip e fo r confusio n

,

16 to o

.

17 The y se t threshold s t o protec t public

18 healt h

, protec t agains t advers e effect s o f exposure s to

19 variou s compound s i n th e ai r occurrin g ove r a perio d of

20 hour s today s

, lon g

- ter m value s intende d t o protect

21 agains t th e advers e effect s o f e x posur e ove r 7 0 years

.

22 Yo u kno w

, i f yo u loo k a t th e oi l an d ga s industr y

,

23 onl y

- - th e oi l an d ga s industr y

, thes e guy s wor k i n the

24 busines s ever y da y

. The y' r e no t i n th e to p 2 5 percent

25 o f peopl e tha t ar e sic k

, accordin g t o th e AmericanCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 healt h studie s

, an d s o w e' v e bee n dealin g wit h oi l and

2 ga s fo r a lon g

, lon g tim e

.

3 I n fac t

, whe n researcher s us e appropriate

4 comparison s

, studie s sho w tha t th e activit y does n' t

5 resul t i n ai r exposure s tha t woul d pos e healt h concern s

.

6 On e r e cen t stud y publishe d i n a pee r

- reviewe d journal

7 analyze d 4. 6 millio n ai r test s fro m continuou s air

8 monitor s acros s th e Barnet t Shal e

, jus t i n ou r backyard

9 her e

, emission s tha t ha d

- - fro m ever y typ e o f natural

10 ga s activit y wer e capture d

, an d th e stud y conducte d said

11 tha t ga s productio n activitie s hav e n o resul t in

12 communit y

- wid e exposure s an d level s t o pos e health

13 concern s

.

14 I n fac t

, th e repor t b y th e environmental

15 protectio n stud y sai d reporte d methan e emission s

, quot e

,

16 fro m petroleu m an d natura l ga s system s hav e d e crease d by

17 1 2 percen t sinc e 2 01 1 wit h th e larges t restrictions

18 comin g fro m hydraulicall y fracture d natura l ga s wells

,

19 whic h hav e d e crease d b y 7 3 percen t

. On e las t sentence

20 her e

.

21 Th e methan e regulation s

, whic h yo u al l are

22 talkin g abou t doin g

, unde r th e guis e o f a ( inaudibl e )

23 climat e chang e rathe r tha n ad d ressin g an y direc t adverse

24 healt h effect s wil l b e i mpose d o n thos e American

25 producer s

, bu t no t OPE C

, no t Russi a

, polic y thatCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 empower s on e ' s enemie s an d fraud

, cos t s America n job s

,

2 raise s ga s price s

, an d ha s almos t n o i m pac t o n the

3 qualit y o f ai r w e breath e

. Than k yo u

.

4 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, w e would

5 lik e t o invit e u p Susa n Lippma n an d Antoni o Gonzale z

.

6 O n dec k i s Antoni o Gonzale z an d Sta r

.

7 MS

. LIPPMA N : Hell o

. Than k yo u fo r holding

8 thi s hearin g

. I' m Susa n Lippma n

. I ' m a membe r o f the

9 Sierr a Clu b

, an d I cam e her e fro m Austi n toda y

. I ' m

10 speakin g i n suppor t o f a nationa l ozon e standar d se t in

11 th e 6 0 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n rang e an d I a m advocating

12 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. Th e curren t leve l i s se t hig h and

13 i s in sufficien t t o protec t publi c healt h a s i t shoul d

.

14 I' m no t talkin g abou t a n i n significant

15 leve l o f im pac t o n publi c healt h

. Ozon e pollutio n is

16 linke d t o pr e matur e death s an d cost s ou r society

17 billion s o f healthcar e dollar s

. M y immediat e famil y and

18 I hav e bee n blesse d t o hav e goo d healt h

, bu t I still

19 remembe r m y colleg e frien d strugglin g t o breath e o n a

20 sultr y nigh t i n Housto n whil e visitin g m e a t my

21 grandmothe r ' s hous e

. Sh e seem s t o b e puttin g u p wit h it

22 a s a par t o f he r lif e

, bu t i t wa s scar y

, an d i t mad e me

23 realiz e ho w we ' r e al l jus t minute s a wa y fro m deat h if

24 deprive d wit h breat h

.

25 I als o hav e a adul t frien d tha t almos t diedCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 twice

. Save d he r lif e b y mout h t o mout h

. I ca n hardly

2 imagin e th e anxiet y tha t parent s o f asthmati c children

3 mus t g o throug h

. An d s o reall y I wa s shocke d t o read

4 tha t th e asthm a rat e i n Texa s i s 9 percen t an d th e rate

5 i n Dalla s i s 1 8 t o 2 0 percen t

. Thes e ar e appalling

6 percentage s

.

7 I n additio n

, Africa n

- America n an d Hispanic

8 communitie s ar e disproportionatel y impacte d nationally

9 wit h Africa n

- America n childre n havin g twic e th e asthma

10 rat e a s whit e childre n an d fou r time s a s likel y t o die

11 fro m i t

. Ho w man y o f thes e death s ar e needles s ? There

12 i s researc h

, an d th e estimate s ar e tha t wit h the

13 stricte r ozon e standard s

, togethe r wit h th e E PA ' s power

14 pla n

, thi s coul d b e pr e vente d ove r th e nex t 1 5 year s :

15 15 0

, 00 0 asthm a attack s i n childre n

, 66 0 0 pr e mature

16 death s

, an d 33 0 0 hear t attack s

.

17 I' m officiall y requestin g a 6 0 part s per

18 billio n standar d sinc e th e healt h ( inaudibl e ) response

19 i s sensitiv e t o th e concentratio n o f ozon e

, especially

20 i n childre n fo r who m th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n rat e would

21 sav e fou r t o fiv e time s a s th e 7 0 par t s pe r billio n

.

22 Than k yo u

.

23 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Antoni o

.

24 MR

. GONZALE Z : M y nam e i s Antoni o Gonzale z

.

25 I identif y a s a Nativ e America n Mexica n fro m SanCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Antoni o

. M y famil y ' s live d i n th e stat e fo r a s lon g as

2 I kno w

. W e hav e teaching s o f learnin g fro m our

3 ancestor s

, a t leas t seve n generation s bac k t o pa y for

4 ou r descendent s ' generation s forwar d

. Chemical s which

5 produc e pollutant s have n ' t eve n existin g tha t lon g

. Our

6 peopl e hav e a relationshi p wit h thi s lan d tha t pr o motes

7 healt h an d supportiv e relationship s

, an d sinc e that

8 tim e

, sinc e hydrocarbon s hav e bee n introduce d int o our

9 culture s

, ou r peopl e hav e grow n u p i n ( inaudibl e )

10 communitie s o f thes e peopl e o n th e wes t sid e o f San

11 Antoni o an d th e eas t sid e o f Austi n

.

12 S o I' v e see n th e effect s o f peopl e i n poor

13 healt h

. Whe n w e ar e stuc k i n th e syste m wher e ther e' s

14 n o economi c roo m fo r economi c growt h

, poo r healt h goe s a

15 lon g wa y

, no t onl y economicall y

, bu t spirituall y as

16 wel l

, t o fee l tha t ther e ' s n o wa y t o ge t ou t o f the

17 syste m tha t w e ar e stuc k i n

. I t i s demoralizin g

.

18 There ' s ver y littl e outle t fo r u s t o hav e a

19 voic e i n ou r communitie s o r i n th e governmen t in

20 genera l

. I ' m her e becaus e I hav e th e opportunit y t o

.

21 I' m privile g e d enoug h t o b e abl e t o com e her e

, bu t for

22 al l th e peopl e tha t ca n ' t tak e th e tim e of f o f wor k

,

23 the y ca n ' t affor d d o tha t

, yo u kno w

, thes e regulations

24 affec t the m mor e tha n i t doe s anybod y els e

.

25 S o a s fa r a s I ' m concerne d

, th e rol e o f theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 governmen t i s t o protec t th e peopl e

. I t' s i n th e name

2 o f th e agenc y

. I f w e wan t t o se e growt h a s a countr y

,

3 it ' s goin g t o tak e al l o f u s togethe r

, an d I do n ' t see

4 ho w keepin g th e standard s th e sam e a s the y ar e i s going

5 t o pr o mot e tha t i n an y wa y

. Yo u kno w

, thi s hearin g is

6 t o as k i f w e shoul d lowe r th e standard s

, bu t why

7 would n ' t we ? Yo u kno w

, i f w e wan t t o se e ou r countr y be

8 th e bes t tha t i t ca n

, the n w e shoul d tak e every

9 opportunit y tha t w e ca n t o pr o mot e tha t an d suppor t each

10 other

. S o than k yo u

.

11 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. Next

12 u p ar e Dare l Smit h an d Alic e Garci a

. O n dec k

, w e have

13 Stev e Everle y an d ( inaudibl e )

. I ' d jus t lik e t o remind

14 yo u

, i f yo u ar e pr e registere d t o speak

, bu t yo u hav en ' t

15 checke d i n ou t front

, pleas e d o s o s o tha t w e kno w you

16 ar e her e an d ca n cal l yo u

.

17 MR

. SMIT H : Hello

, I ' m fro m Austi n

, Texas

.

18 Dare l Smith

. W e hav e a n u n usua l quantit y o f ho t air

19 comin g fro m th e Stat e Capito l

. T CE Q ha s a pla n tha t it

20 i s intendin g t o regulat e

, an d w e as k tha t th e E P A please

21 ste p i n t o reduc e th e qualit y o f ozon e tha t is

22 permitte d

. I t

- - whe n yo u loo k a t jus t on e particular

23 thin g lik e

, ozon e o r haz e o r soo t

, th e standard s see m to

24 b e arbitrar y

.

25 Howeve r

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1 qualit y i s looke d at

, w e ca n se e tha t asthm a an d upper

2 respirator y illnesse s ar e i ncreasin g i n childre n in

3 Texas

, an d w e nee d som e relie f fo r bette r ai r quality

4 fo r ou r kid s

. An d than k yo u ver y muc h fo r allowin g us

5 thi s opportunit y t o testif y abou t th e situatio n her e in

6 Texas

.

7 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

, Dare l

.

8 MS

. GARCI A : H i

. M y nam e i s Alice

9 Canestar o

- Garci a

. I a m fro m Sa n Antoni o

, Texas

, an d I ' m

10 her e becaus e I als o suppor t bes t practice s fo r ozone

11 regulatio n

, an d i f th e bes t practice s i s 6 0 part s per

12 billio n

, le t ' s d o tha t

. I f i t ' s 5 0 part s pe r billio n

,

13 le t ' s d o tha t

.

14 Becaus e m y experienc e a s a classroom

15 teache r i n Housto n

, Texa s

, fro m 1 98 9 t o 2 0 09

, w e were

16 no t allowe d t o hav e classroo m garden s becaus e ther e were

17 jus t to o man y ozon e day s

. W e wer e no t allowe d t o go

18 outsid e countles s time s ever y yea r

. An d fo r a

19 three

- yea r

- ol d an d a fou r

- yea r

- ol d t o b e r estricte d to

20 no t mov e becaus e i t' s dangerou s t o g o outsid e fo r their

21 ski n

, fo r thei r lung s

, I believ e tha t' s a strong

22 indic atio n tha t th e figure s

, th e number s tha t hav e been

23 quote d tha t sa y thes e ar e th e limit s

, thi s i s th e safety

24 limit s

, bu t th e physica l effect s ar e sever e and

25 re strictiv e an d certainl y no t a natura l huma n lif e whenCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 o n a n autum n da y

, yo u ca n' t g o outsid e an d pla y o n the

2 playgroun d o r den y a positio n t o star t a pumpki n garden

3 fo r Hallowee n

.

4 Pleas e se e th e face s tha t w e' r e tryin g to

5 represen t

. Th e littl e childre n

, th e wome n

, peopl e who

6 wan t t o liv e a health y lif e ar e no t abl e t o because

7 Mothe r Natur e

, Gai a

, Pachamam a i s bein g destroye d b y the

8 ex tractiv e practice s tha t peopl e ar e habituall y use d to

9 usin g fo r fue l

.

10 I' m als o a visua l artis t

, an d par t o f my

11 wor k focuse s o n visualizin g th e futur e base d o n current

12 energ y practice s i n Texa s an d aroun d th e worl d

. And

13 thes e practice s mak e m e wan t t o leav e th e plane t

, but

14 ther e i s n o Plane t B

. S o

, I visualiz e wha t I thin k is

15 you r callin g

, you r challeng e

, you r mandat e t o provide

16 fo r Gai a

, fo r Mothe r Earth

, fo r Pachamam a

, swee t wate r

,

17 swee t skies

, bee s

, animal s

, eve n human s

- - an d I ' m not

18 s o fon d o f human s

- - livin g wit h activ e car e an d grac e

.

19 Righ t no w

, w e ar e i n th e mids t o f wha t we

20 cal l i n Spanis h a fracas o

, a failur e

, a devasatio n

.

21 Fracas o i s als o a pla y o n word s regardin g frackin g

,

22 whic h i n thi s da y

- - I' v e los t th e

- - m y mik e turned

23 of f

.

24 MR

. NIEBLIN G : I do n ' t thin k s o

. Us e the

25 othe r on e

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1 MS

. GARCI A : Testin g

, testin g

. Than k yo u

.

2 Horse s gallopin g

, car s drivin g u p

, th e Ston e Ag e did n ' t

3 en d becaus e the y ra n ou t o f stone s

. Wel l

, of t repeate d

,

4 right ? ( Speakin g Spanis h )

. Th e Ston e Ag e did n ' t end

5 becaus e the y ra n ou t o f stone s

. I believ e i t ' s your

6 callin g t o sa y

, al l righ t

, w e stil l hav e plent y o f this

7 substanc e tha t ' s makin g ou r plane t sic k

, bu t w e can

8 choos e no t t o us e i t anymor e

. W e ca n cu t i t bac k

. And

9 i f lowerin g th e ozon e leve l t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n will

10 d o tha t

, le t ' s d o tha t

.

11 Mothe r Eart h i s dyin g

. Sh e ha s a bad

12 in fectio n

, a s yo u kno w

, o f human s

. (Speakin g Spanis h )

.

13 W e rarel y driv e wagon s

, bu t stil l

, ther e ar e plent y of

14 horse s

. Oka y

, audio

. Street s crackin g i n th e huge

15 truc k wak e

, coughin g

, vomitin g ( speakin g Spanis h )

,

16 buildin g th e pipeline s

, (speakin g Spanis h )

, wil l only

17 ge t wors e wit h leak y ta r so n pipe s

.

18 Oka y

. I a m a representativ e o f 35 0

. or g

,

19 an d I als o represen t ( inaudibl e )

, whic h i s concer n ed

20 abou t al l o f th e dea d zone s aroun d th e worl d du e t o the

21 nuclea r mel t downs

. I kno w th e focu s righ t no w i s on

22 ozone

, bu t audi o unde r scream s withou t en d

. (Speaking

23 Spanis h )

. W e' r e focusin g righ t no w o n th e ai r

. W e 're

24 focusin g righ t no w o n th e ozon e level s

, s o pleas e use

25 al l you r power

. Yo u ar e powerfu l

, an d I jus t too k aCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 pledg e t o hel p yo u

. S o le t m e kno w wha t I ca n d o

.

2 Than k yo u

.

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. No w w e 'l l call

4 u p Stev e Everle y an d Don a Upso n an d se e i f w e ca n get

5 tha t othe r micr ophon e workin g

. D o yo u min d hittin g on

6 th e mike s t o se e i f the y 'r e

- - oka y

.

7 MR

. EVERLE Y : Wa s I calle d first ?

8 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Yo u wer e

.

9 MR

. EVERLE Y : Oka y

. M y nam e i s Steve

10 Everle y

, an d serv e a s tea m lea d fo r Energ y i n Dept h

, a

11 researc h an d educatio n progra m o f th e Independent

12 Petroleu m Associatio n o f Americ a

. IPA A i s headquartered

13 i n Washingto n

, D. C

. I liv e i n Dalla s

, Texas

. IPAA

14 represent s th e oi l an d natura l ga s companie s whic h drill

15 9 5 percen t o f al l well s i n th e Unite d State s wit h an

16 averag e compan y siz e o f fewe r tha n 2 0 employee s

.

17 Americ a ' s independen t oi l an d natura l ga s producer s will

18 b e significantl y i m pacte d b y E PA ' s proposa l t o reduce

19 th e Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standar d s fo r Ozone

20 fro m 7 5 part s pe r billio n t o betwee n 6 5 an d 7 0 part s per

21 billio n

.

22 Althoug h I d o no t spea k fo r IPA A i n an

23 officia l capacit y

, I shoul d not e tha t IPA A believe s that

24 EP A shoul d retai n th e curren t standar d o f 7 5 part s per

25 billio n

. E P A' s propose d ozon e rul e i s base d upo n theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 healt h benefit s o f lowe r ozon e level s

, bu t a revie w of

2 EP A ' s dat a suggest s tha t th e agenc y ma y have

3 significantl y inflate d th e valu e o f thos e benefit s

. I

4 wil l briefl y describ e som e o f th e flaw s i n the

5 assessmen t

, bu t a mor e complet e analysi s ca n b e foun d on

6 ou r websit e a t ww w

. energyindept h

. or g

.

7 I n 20 1 1

, th e E P A propose d reducin g the

8 ozon e standar d fro m 7 5 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n

. The

9 agenc y ' s regulator y impac t assessmen t foun d tha t th e net

10 benefit s o f a 6 5 part s pe r billio n standar d were

11 essentiall y zer o

. Eve n whe n includin g healt h benefits

12 o f particulat e matte r reduction s i n optimistic

13 technologica l trajector y t o achiev e ( inaudibl e )

.

14 Bu t E P A no w claim s tha t 6 5 part s per

15 billio n standar d yield s ne t benefit s a s hig h a s $23

16 billio n

. Tha t ' s a 3 1 0 0 percen t increas e fro m wha t the

17 EP A sai d th e exac t sam e standar d woul d delive r just

18 thre e year s earlie r

. Th e E P A claim s t o hav e reviewed

19 mor e tha n 1

, 00 0 studie s publishe d sinc e th e EP A last

20 re vise d th e standard s i n 2 0 08

, bu t Energ y i n Depth

21 reviewe d EP A ' s healt h ris k an d exposur e assessmen t for

22 ozon e an d foun d tha t nearl y 7 0 percen t o f th e references

23 cite d wer e publishe d prio r t o 20 1 1

.

24 I n othe r words

, mos t o f th e studie s that

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1 wer e availabl e whe n E P A determine d tha t th e exac t same

2 ozon e standar d woul d delive r n o ne t benefit s

.

3 Interestingl y

, a s Dr

. Michae l Honeycut t wit h th e Texas

4 Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y note d las t yea r

,

5 som e o f E PA ' s dat a sho w a reductio n i n th e ozone

6 standar d coul d actuall y resul t i n highe r mortality

7 rates

.

8 Fo r exampl e

, EP A' s dat a showe d that

9 reducin g th e ozon e standar d t o 6 5 part s pe r billion

10 woul d resul t i n 4 4 mor e pr e matur e death s i n th e Cit y of

11 Housto n alon e

. Thes e example s sugges t

, a t th e very

12 least

, tha t EP A ' s analysi s o f th e dat a i s flawe d

,

13 raisin g question s abou t EP A ' s justificatio n fo r a lower

14 ozon e standar d

.

15 O f cours e

, th e pr o pose d rul e als o raises

16 significan t economi c concern s

. I n 2 01 1

, EP A admitted

17 tha t fou r o f th e fiv e larges t metropolita n area s i n the

18 countr y

, hom e t o 5 0 millio n American s

, woul d no t b e able

19 t o achiev e a 7 0 part s pe r billio n standar d b y 2 0 20

.

20 Part s o f souther n Californi a wo n ' t b e i n complianc e with

21 eve n a n 8 4 part s pe r billio n standar d b y th e middl e of

22 th e nex t decad e

.

23 Sinc e th e healt h benefit s cite d required

24 tha t complianc e b e achieve d

, i t' s difficul t t o se e how

25 thes e benefit s wil l eve r materializ e

. Las t summe r

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1 ( inaudibl e ) Consultin g release d a stud y examinin g the

2 cos t o f a 6 0 part s pe r billio n ozon e standar d

, whic h is

3 th e lo w en d o n whic h EP A i s currentl y accepting

4 comment s

. Ne w Yor k conclude d tha t i t woul d reduc e U. S

.

5 GD P b y $ 4

. 5 trillio n throug h 2 04 0

, destro y ove r 4

6 millio n job s

, an d increas e househol d cost s b y over

7 $2

, 00 0 pe r yea r

.

8 Th e primar y reaso n fo r thes e i mpact s is

9 becaus e E PA ' s ozon e rul e wil l rais e cost s fo r Americ a ' s

10 energ y industr y

, whic h ha s bee n on e o f th e fe w bright

11 spot s i n a n otherwis e sluggis h econom y

. Fo r exampl e

,

12 chea p natura l ga s ha s spurre d ove r $ 10 0 billio n in

13 manufacturin g custom s i n th e Unite d State s

. Las t yea r

,

14 th e worl d ' s larges t chemica l compan y

, B AS F

, announced

15 tha t i t woul d mak e it s larges t singl e facility

16 in vestmen t righ t her e i n Texa s

.

17 America n oi l an d natura l ga s productio n has

18 slashe d th e trad e defici t an d ne t petroleu m i mport s are

19 a t thei r lowes t leve l sinc e 1 9 87

. I n som e estimate s

,

20 tha t th e Unite d State s i s no w th e worl d ' s larg e oi l and

21 natura l ga s produce r

.

22 Las t bu t no t leas t

, job s i n th e oi l and

23 natura l ga s industr y hav e bee n a go d sen d t o man y working

24 familie s wit h salarie s tha t ar e nearl y doubl e the

25 nationa l averag e

. Th e newes t stud y conclude d tha t aCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 lowe r ozon e standar d woul d significantl y r e stric t U .S

.

2 oi l an d natura l ga s productio n

, whic h woul d

, quote

,

3 crus h th e manufacturin g com e bac k b y re movin g our

4 natio n ' s energ y advantag e

, en d quot e

.

5 EP A ' s ozon e rul e coul d ver y wel l b e the

6 cos tlies t regulatio n i n th e histor y

. I f a rul e o f this

7 magnitud e i s t o b e impose d

, the n th e E P A shoul d consider

8 providin g a fa r mor e scientificall y robus t publi c health

9 basis

, on e tha t does n ' t rel y o n inflate d healt h benefits

10 o r a lac k o f appreciatio n fo r th e ver y rea l economic

11 costs

. Than k yo u ver y muc h fo r you r tim e

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

13 MS

. UPSO N : Than k yo u

. M y nam e i s Dona

14 Upson

. I ' m a pulmonar y critica l car e physicia n a t the

15 Ne w Mexic o Veteran s Affair s Healt h Car e Services

16 Hospita l i n Albuquerqu e an d a n associat e professo r of

17 medicin e a t th e Universit y o f Ne w Mexic o

. I ' m als o now

18 i n m y si x t h yea r a s a voluntee r membe r o f th e air

19 qualit y boar d o f Albuquerqu e an d immediat e past

20 presiden t o f tha t board

. I ' m her e toda y representing

21 th e America n Lun g Associatio n an d th e America n Thoracic

22 Societ y

.

23 Th e AT S i s a medica l professional

24 organizatio n wit h ove r 1 5, 00 0 member s

, professional s and

25 patient s wh o ar e dedicate d t o th e preventio n

, detectio n

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1 treatmen t

, cur e o f respirator y ( inaudibl e ) critica l care

2 an d

- - w e pursu e ou r missio n throug h researc h

, clinical

3 car e

, educatio n

, an d scienc e

- base d advocac y

.

4 I' v e als o ha d asthm a mysel f fo r ove r 50

5 years

, an d I ' m a mothe r

. Than k yo u ver y muc h fo r this

6 opportunit y t o speak

. A s a pulmonar y physicia n

, I ' ve

7 see n firsthan d an d experienc e d ( inaudibl e ) untreated

8 asthm a attack s an d exacerbation s o f COP D

. Som e people

9 ar e mor e vulnerabl e tha n other s

, includin g childre n and

10 teens

, olde r adult s

, peopl e wit h asthm a

, C OP D

, people

11 wit h cardiovascula r diseas e

, an d peopl e wit h lo w incomes

12 fo r a variet y o f reason s

.

13 I hav e severa l patient s wh o canno t liv e in

14 Albuquerqu e

, althoug h w e hav e clea n ai r fo r a n urban

15 are a

, becaus e the y hav e mor e troubl e breathin g the

16 close r the y ge t t o th e cit y eve n i f the y' r e comin g from

17 highe r elevatio n

. On e vetera n

, fo r exampl e

, Ro y

, ha s to

18 trave l ove r thre e hour s t o se e u s an d ca n onl y com e for

19 mornin g appointment s

, whe n th e ai r qualit y i s bes t

, so

20 h e ha s t o leav e th e hous e b y 5 :0 0 i n th e mornin g

.

21 Severa l larg e mult i

- cit y an d singl e city

22 studie s fro m acros s th e U. S

. an d aroun d th e worl d have

23 foun d tha t ozon e trigger s asthm a attack s

, especiall y in

24 childre n

, an d i n crease s th e ris k tha t peopl e wit h asthma

25 wil l b e admitte d t o th e hospita l o r emergencyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 departmen t

. A wel l know n an d har d hittin g exampl e came

2 fro m th e 199 6 Olympic s i n Atlant a

, Georgi a

, whe n doctors

3 looke d a t th e associatio n betwee n reduce d ai r pollution

4 level s an d medica l visit s fo r asthm a

.

5 A t tha t tim e

, lowe r ozon e wa s associated

6 wit h a 4 2 percen t de creas e i n asthm a treatmen t and

7 hospitalizatio n i n th e Georgi a Medicai d clai m file s

.

8 Thi s i s jus t on e cas e ou t o f man y i n whic h ozon e is

9 clearl y linke d t o healt h issue s

. A considerabl e number

10 o f othe r larg e multi

- cit y studie s o f th e U .S

. , Canad a

,

11 an d Europ e hav e als o foun d stron g evidenc e that

12 breathin g ozon e i n crease s th e ris k o f pr e matur e death

.

13 Ne w evidenc e fro m othe r studie s has

14 broadene d recognition s tha t ozon e threaten s other

15 system s beside s ou r lung s

, includin g cardiovascular

16 har m

, aging

- relate d memor y los s

, an d eve n increase d risk

17 o f lo w birthweigh t i n newborn s

. Ther e i s solid

18 scientifi c evidenc e tha t eve n health y peopl e ar e at

19 ris k

. Th e populatio n

- base d stud y o f health y adults

20 foun d tha t ai r wa y obstructio n wa s i n crease d afte r days

21 whe n ambien t ozon e range d fro m 5 9 part s pe r billio n to

22 7 5 part s pe r billio n

, compare d t o day s wit h level s under

2 3 59

.

24 Health y adult s ex pose d t o ozon e ( inaudibl e )

25 cha m be r studie s hav e demonstrate d measurabl e decreasesCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 i n lun g functio n followin g exposur e t o ozon e level s of

2 6 0 t o 70

. Numerou s scientifi c studie s sho w tha t ozone

3 exposur e i n th e rang e o f 6 0 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n have

4 advers e physiologi c effect s acros s th e entir e age

5 spectru m

, fro m newbor n infant s t o th e elderl y

. While

6 there ' s als o evidenc e o f healt h effect s o f ozone

7 exposur e belo w 6 0 part s pe r billio n

, th e strongest

8 evidenc e support s th e conclusio n tha t seriou s adverse

9 healt h effect s occu r acros s al l age s a t ozon e levels

10 abov e 60

.

11 A s climat e change s accelerate s and

12 temperature s continu e t o ris e

, i t i s mor e importan t than

13 eve r t o reduc e ozon e pollutio n

. Sinc e th e evidenc e was

14 las t reviewe d i n 2 00 7

, w e' v e gaine d a n eve n greater

15 scientifi c understandin g o f th e healt h effect s o f ozone

16 exposur e

, includin g greate r link s betwee n respiratory

17 diseas e i n childre n an d reduce d lun g functio n

, and

18 increase d mortalit y i n adult s

. Th e scientifi c record

19 provide s clear

, conclusiv e evidenc e tha t w e should

20 ( inaudibl e ) compe l EP A t o establis h a n ozon e standar d no

21 highe r tha n 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

22 Thi s i s a n opportun e tim e t o se t a stricter

23 standar d

. R e cen t change s i n vehicl e an d fue l emission

24 standard s wil l significantl y i mprov e ozon e level s across

25 th e countr y

. A stricte r standar d wil l lea d toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 additiona l improvement s i n healt h regulation s

, which

2 wil l ad d citie s an d municipalitie s i n implementin g their

3 ow n standard s

.

4 On e exampl e i s tha t severa l year s ag o

, a s a

5 membe r o f th e Ai r Qualit y Boar d o f Albuquerqu e

, w e were

6 reviewin g th e stat e implementatio n pla n an d notice d that

7 diese l vehicle s wer e exclude d fro m emission s testin g for

8 a variet y o f reason s

. An d w e pr o pose d includin g diesel

9 vehicle s

, bu t ther e wa s som e pus h bac k fro m the

10 environmenta l divisio n a t tha t tim e becaus e the y were

11 anticipatin g a mor e stric t ozon e level

, an d the y thought

12 i f the y passe d tha t

- - w e passe d tha t la w a t tha t poin t

,

13 the y woul d los e th e opportunit y t o pas s i t whe n the

14 ozon e standar d wa s change d s o tha t i t coul d offse t some

15 o f th e penaltie s i f w e did n ' t obtai n th e standar d

.

16 A s a n ai r boar d

, w e wen t a hea d an d passed

17 tha t rulin g

, an d diese l vehicle s wer e include d i n the

18 emission s testin g

. S o

, le t m e jus t finis h u p

. Suffice

19 i t t o sa y tha t ozon e pollutio n a t level s ( inaudibl e )

20 unde r th e curren t standar d make s peopl e sic k

. Ther e' s

21 accumulatin g evidenc e tha t ozon e pollutio n i s damaging

22 t o huma n lung s an d contribute s t o diseas e

. Base d on

23 thi s evidenc e

, th e America n Thoraci c Societ y an d the

24 America n Lun g Associatio n strongl y e n courag e th e E P A to

25 mov e forwar d wit h th e stron g

, scientificall y supportedCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 standar d o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n t o protec t th e natio n ' s

2 childre n an d othe r vulnerabl e population s an d the

3 America n publi c a t larg e fro m th e healt h hazar d o f ozone

4 pollutio n

. Than k yo u

.

5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t w e' d like

6 t o invit e

- - w e woul d as k th e audienc e t o liste n quietly

7 s o w e ca n

- - ( inaudibl e )

. We ' l l invit e Kamene

8 Domuba i

- Ogid i

.

9 MS

. PEARSO N : M y nam e i s Whitne y Pearso n

,

10 an d I ' m fro m Oklahom a

. I hav e live d ther e al l m y lif e

,

11 an d I currentl y liv e i n Oklahom a Cit y

. Th e Oklahoma

12 Cit y an d Tuls a area s an d othe r heavil y populated

13 communitie s hav e ha d seriousl y u n health y level s o f smog

14 i n re cen t year s

. Th e A L A Stat e o f th e Ai r repor t gives

15 Oklahom a Cit y an d Tuls a F grade s fo r ozon e

, an d the y are

16 bot h i n th e to p 2 0 mos t pollute d citie s

, whic h i s pretty

17 surprisin g t o mos t

.

18 Th e onl y savin g grac e th e las t fe w years

19 ha s bee n un seasonabl y coo l weathe r i n summe r month s

. We

20 al l kno w tha t coo l summer s ar e no t somethin g tha t w e can

21 rel y o n t o protec t u s fro m smo g

. W e ca n' t contro l the

22 weathe r

, bu t w e ca n contro l th e pollutio n comin g ou t of

23 som e o f th e large r source s tha t ar e contributin g to

24 smo g

, coa l plant s

, car s

, an d othe r industrial

25 activitie s

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1 Stud y afte r stud y show s tha t t o protect

2 publi c healt h

, w e nee d t o significantl y lowe r th e amount

3 o f smo g i n ou r ai r

. Mor e tha n 8 0

, 00 0 childre n and

4 29 0

, 00 0 adult s ar e currentl y livin g wit h asthm a

. In

5 Oklahom a

, i n 2 0 11

, hospitalization s fro m asthm a cos t our

6 citizen s $7 2 millio n

. Oklahom a ' s populatio n i s about

7 3. 8 millio n

. Nearl y 1 0 percen t i s urge d t o sta y i n doors

8 durin g heav y smo g day s

. Thi s doe s no t includ e the

9 thousand s o f childre n wh o ar e a t th e greates t ris k from

10 exposur e o r eve n adult s wh o ar e activ e ou t door s wh o can

11 als o develo p damag e t o thei r lung s

.

12 Asthm a seem s t o becom e a norma l par t of

13 everyda y lif e fo r man y

, bu t clea n ai r i s a huma n righ t

.

14 Peopl e deserv e t o kno w thei r ai r i s saf e

, an d w e rel y on

15 th e E P A t o mak e cleane r ai r a realit y

. I t ' s tim e for

16 th e E P A t o d o wha t ' s righ t an d adop t th e mos t protective

17 standar d possibl e

. Than k yo u

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

19 MS

. DOMUBA I

- OGIDI : Hell o

. M y nam e is

20 Kamen e

, an d I' v e bee n livin g i n Texa s sinc e 2 00 1

. I

21 hav e asthm a

, an d s o I ' m no t goin g t o tal k abou t the

22 statistic s o f other s

. I 'v e ha d i t sinc e I wa s i n sixth

23 grade

, sinc e I wa s 1 1

. I t ha s becom e s o muc h a

24 permanen t fixtur e i n m y dail y landscap e tha t I cam e to

25 thi s hearin g thinkin g tha t I ha d nothin g o f additionalCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 valu e t o sa y

, reall y doubtfu l tha t I ha d anything

2 importan t t o sa y a t al l

, an d therei n lie s a proble m

.

3 I hav e norma l ize d a n illnes s tha t I was

4 diagnose d wit h a t 1 1 year s o f ag e i n th e DF W are a

. I

5 wa s livin g i n Dalla s prope r wher e asthm a i s tw o time s as

6 hig h a s th e res t o f th e Stat e o f Texa s an d 8 8 percent

7 highe r tha n th e nationa l averag e

. Th e proble m i s tha t I

8 cam e t o a smo g hearin g a t th e origi n o f m y diagnosi s and

9 wa s als o complici t wit h th e conclusio n o f politica l and

10 industria l element s i n denyin g thi s illnes s

, an d i t ' s

11 ruine d m y lif e

.

12 An d colludin g i n a cultur e tha t fosters

13 normalizin g illnesse s derive d fro m ai r quality

14 pollutant s an d th e peopl e b e hin d the m

. I t i s a n insult

15 t o consumer s an d victim s tha t industr y ca n ge t a wa y with

16 murde r

, tha t industr y ca n cit e th e los s o f disposable

17 wealt h a s sufficien t i n backin g a wa y fro m commitment s to

18 cleane r processe s

.

19 I hav e som e fact s an d statistic s o f m y own

20 tha t ar e persona l

. Re d

, tha t i s th e colo r o f the

21 packag e tha t house s m y nebulize r

. 7 0 percen t

, tha t is

22 m y curren t lun g capacit y

. You r breat h i s you r lif e

,

23 exclamatio n mar k

. Tha t i s wha t m y mo m sai d t o m e about

24 tw o week s ag o whe n I wa s o n th e phon e wit h he r an d I

25 tol d he r I coul dn ' t affor d t o bu y Albutero l becaus e ICOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ra n ou t

. You r breat h i s you r lif e

. Tha t i s th e very

2 basi c i n asthm a emergenc y contro l

.

3 An d yo u do n ' t nee d t o kno w th e numbe r of

4 time s tha t I hav e reache d fo r a breat h tha t was n ' t

5 there

, tha t did n' t com e

, tha t was n' t goin g t o com e

. And

6 i n tha t momen t

, wher e tha t perpetua l nex t breat h i s not

7 possibl e an d the n pani c i s settin g i n

, i t become s the

8 fullnes s o f m y consciousnes s

. I t ' s al l tha t I ca n be

9 about

. M y lif e i s distille d t o thos e moment s o f

,

10 where ' s m y ai r

. I do n' t hav e it

. I hav e asthm a

, but

11 I' m als o black

, an d tha t matter s

.

12 Africa n

- American s ar e tw o time s mor e likely

13 a s

- - tha n whit e childre n t o hav e asthm a an d fou r times

14 a s likel y t o di e fro m i t

. I wa s tha t statisti c

, an d I

15 a m a livin g outcom e o f tha t statisti c

. I a m a liv e

. S o

,

16 asthm a an d smo g end s u p bein g a n exampl e o f ho w rac e and

17 clas s an d climat e pollutio n inte r sec t

. The y ' r e not

18 independen t o f eac h othe r

.

19 I

- - a previou s perso n wh o wa s testifying

20 fro m th e industr y sai d tha t th e U .S

. i s th e larges t oil

21 an d ga s produce r an d tha t th e job s derive d fro m this

22 activit y i s a go d sen d

. Lif e i s a go d sen d

. A jo b that

23 pay s fo r th e medicatio n tha t I nee d t o ge t medicatio n

- -

24 o r a jo b tha t pay s fo r medicatio n tha t I nee d becaus e of

25 a n illnes s tha t I hav e becaus e o f oi l activit y

, becauseCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 o f ga s activit y

, becaus e o f coa l activit y

, wha t kin d of

2 jo b i s tha t ? I t' s cyclica l

.

3 Th e industr y essentiall y make s bid s and

4 reserve s th e lung s o f th e youn g

, o f th e poo r

, o f people

5 o f color

, an d th e industr y toda y claim s tha t i t wil l be

6 significantl y affecte d i f a 6 0 part s pe r billion

7 requiremen t become s a standar d

. An d the n I wonde r

, I ' m

8 significantl y a s affecte d

. I ' m affecte d ever y da y

. I ' m

9 significantl y affecte d whe n I ca n ' t pa y fo r my

10 medicatio n

, an d somethin g els e tha t i s significantly

11 affecte d i s m y perso n hoo d

.

12 Perso n hoo d i s sel f

- autonom y

. I do n ' t own

13 m y lung s anymor e

. I did n' t hav e a choic e o n m y lungs

.

14 I sa y I hav e asthm a

, an d I clai m i t a s a par t o f wh o I

15 am

. I a m s o inure d wit h th e conditio n wher e I do n ' t own

16 somethin g tha t technicall y belong s t o m e

. I ' m s o inured

17 wit h a n impressio n o f m y ow n interna l physica l organ

18 tha t I cam e t o a smo g hearin g i n th e D F W are a wher e I

19 wa s diagnos e d wit h asthm a an d di d no t thin k I had

20 anythin g o f valu e t o sa y

.

21 Th e Stat e o f Texa s ha s effectively

22 challenge d an d i s challengin g m y perso n hoo d an d the

23 perso n hoo d o f childre n al l acros s th e stat e

, an d tha t is

24 als o you r freedo m

. Freedo m

.

25 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, we ' d likeCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 t o invit e u p Moll y Rook e

. Pleas e

, w e appreciat e al l of

2 th e valuabl e testimon y

, bu t w e as k tha t th e audience

3 liste n respectfull y an d quietl y

. Moll y Rook e an d Steve

4 Davidso n

. I s Stev e Davidso n stil l presen t ? Wel l

, we ' ll

5 fin d Stev e eventuall y

.

6 MS

. ROOK E : Hi

, I ' m Moll y Rook e

. I ' m from

7 Dalla s

, Texa s

, an d I wan t t o than k yo u fo r the

8 opportunit y t o spea k a t th e hearin g today

. I ' m her e not

9 jus t becaus e i t ' s th e righ t thin g t o d o a s someon e who

10 care s abou t clea n ai r

, bu t becaus e I kno w tha t i t' s

11 essentia l t o ou r qualit y o f lif e an d t o lif e itsel f for

12 s o man y peopl e

. I ' m on e o f s o man y peopl e wh o suffer

13 fro m th e effect s o f a hig h ozone

, an d I a m a n asthmati c

,

14 an d I hav e suffere d m y wors t asthm a attack s o n th e high

15 ozon e day s her e i n th e Dalla s / For t Wort h are a

.

16 An d i t ' s ver y frightenin g an d dangerou s to

17 suffe r a seriou s asthm a attac k

, an d it ' s u n necessar y for

18 u s t o b e sufferin g i n thi s wa y fro m hig h ozon e when

19 there ' s s o muc h th e industr y ca n d o t o clea n u p their

20 activitie s

. Ther e ' s n o reaso n tha t the y ca n ' t d o i t

.

21 Fo r a lon g tim e

, I kno w tha t th e EP A ha s see n thi s

.

22 Industrie s

- - pollutin g industrie s hav e sai d tha t they

23 jus t ca n ' t d o i t

, it ' s goin g t o cos t to o muc h

, i t' s

24 goin g t o cos t to o man y job s

, an d ye t

, i n th e en d

, they

25 alway s ar e abl e t o clea n u p

.COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Ther e ar e bette r

, cleane r technologie s that

2 industr y ca n b e an d nee d t o b e require d t o us e

, an d if

3 yo u se t th e standard s t o wha t scienc e

, th e mos t current

4 scienc e say s

, the n i t need s t o b e a t th e lowes t en d of

5 th e rang e

, no t jus t a t th e lowes t en d a t 6 5 part s per

6 billio n

, bu t a t th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. An d I request

7 tha t yo u d o everythin g i n you r powe r t o resist

8 industrie s ' extrem e pressur e t o mak e th e standards

9 highe r an d no t t o th e lowe r leve l

. Becaus e whatever

10 the y sa y

, i t ' s no t goin g t o b e goo d enoug h fo r u s to

11 breath e

, s o I reques t tha t yo u se t i t t o th e strongest

12 standar d

, on e tha t woul d b e actuall y a saf e an d clean

13 chanc e fo r u s t o breath e ou r ai r

. Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

14 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Rober t an d Do n

.

15 DR

. HALE Y : M y nam e i s D r

. Rober t Hale y

.

16 I' m a specialis t i n interna l medicin e practicin g at

17 Parklan d Hospita l i n Dalla s an d a medica l epidemiologist

18 wit h 4 0 year s experienc e doin g epidemiologi c researc h

.

19 M y caree r bega n wit h a te n

- yea r stin t a t th e CD C a s an

20 epidemiologis t an d the n i n Dalla s her e

.

21 I' m a pas t presiden t an d chairma n o f the

22 boar d o f th e Dalla s Count y Medica l Societ y

, membe r of

23 th e Hous e o f Delegate s a t Texa s Medica l Associatio n

,

24 TM A

, an d hav e bee n ver y involve d fo r th e las t te n years

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1 qualit y

. An d w e hav e a ver y stron g stan d o n th e ozone

2 issu e fro m ou r year s o f study

.

3 So

, toda y

, i n m y testimon y

, I ' m really

4 representin g th e 7

, 00 0 physicia n s o f Dalla s Count y and

5 th e 4 5

, 00 0 physician s o f Texa s

. Th e physician s i n our

6 state

, an d particularl y i n northeas t Texa s wher e w e have

7 a te n

- count y no n attainmen t are a o n ozon e

, ar e very

8 concerne d abou t th e effect s o f ai r pollutio n

,

9 particularl y ozon e o n th e healt h o f ou r patient s

,

10 especiall y th e effect s o f hig h groun d leve l ozone

11 concentration s o n asthm a attack s i n childre n

, chronic

12 lun g diseas e exacerbation s

, an d hear t attack s i n our

13 olde r patient s

, an d pr e matur e death s acros s th e entire

14 ag e spectru m

.

15 Ou r readin g o f th e scientifi c literature

16 find s compellin g evidenc e o f th e advers e effect s of

17 ozon e o n huma n healt h dow n t o ozon e level s o f 4 0 parts

18 pe r billio n

. No w

, r e centl y

, a grou p o f epidemiologists

19 an d GI S e xpert s hav e develope d a compute r mode l to

20 estimat e th e reductio n i n hospitalizatio n and

21 hospitalizatio n cost s an d th e reductio n i n pr e mature

22 death s an d thei r economi c valuatio n tha t woul d accru e to

23 th e citizen s o f thi s te n

- count y no n attainmen t are a i n

24 whic h Dalla s an d For t Wort h ar e righ t i n th e middl e due

25 t o i f ther e wer e a 1 0 part s pe r billio n ozon e reductionCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 i n ou r level s a s w e woul d expec t fro m th e lowerin g of

2 th e standar d fro m 7 5 t o 6 5 part s pe r billio n

.

3 Th e modelin g i s don e wit h a G I S

- based

4 softwar e calle d Binma p

. Yo u ma y hav e hear d o f i t

.

5 We ' v e entere d th e eight

- hou r maximu m ozon e reading s from

6 al l th e ai r qualit y monitor s i n ou r te n

- count y regio n

,

7 an d righ t no w

, we ' r e modelin g 20 0 8

, an d i n th e nex t few

8 day s

, we ' r e goin g t o ex ten d tha t t o th e lates t numbers

9 o f 20 1 3

. 2 0 0 8 wa s onl y a moderat e ozon e yea r

. 20 1 1

,

10 particularl y

, an d u p t o '1 3 wer e ver y hig h level s

, so

11 we ' r e goin g t o ge t highe r estimate s shortl y

.

12 Anywa y

, an d th e progra m the n applies

13 concentratio n effec t co efficient s fro m th e mos t robust

14 scientifi c studie s t o estimat e th e healt h an d economic

15 benefit s o f suc h a reductio n

, an d I ' m goin g t o presen t

,

16 basicall y

, th e botto m lin e function s

, whic h wer e shown

17 o n th e graphi c o n th e thir d pag e o f m y handou t

.

18 So

, i n 2 0 08

, i f th e ozon e level s ha d been

19 1 0 part s pe r billio n lowe r tha n the y wer e

, tha t is

, if

20 th e standar d wer e reduce d an d th e ozon e level s were

21 reduce d b y 1 0 part s pe r billio n

, th e te n

- county

22 nonattainmen t regio n picture d i n th e graphi c woul d have

23 experience d 32 0 fewe r hospitalization s a t a cos t of

24 $1 0 billio n les s i n hospitalizatio n costs

, 7 7 fewer

25 death s i n tha t yea r

, a t a n economi c valuatio n o f $ 617COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 millio n i n economi c los s fro m pr e matur e deat h

. These

2 ar e standar d economi c

- - economis t valuation s o f deat h

.

3 Thes e number s sho w th e grea t health

4 benefit s o f reducin g th e ozon e standar d b y 1 0 part s per

5 billio n i n a moderat e ozon e yea r i n ou r regio n

. These

6 benefit s woul d re cu r yea r afte r yea r

. The y woul d be

7 greate r wit h a n eve n lowe r standar d

, dow n t o 6 0 parts

8 pe r billio n

, fo r exampl e

. An d eve n highe r i n hig h ozone

9 year s suc h a s 2 01 1

, 2 01 2

, an d 20 1 3 whic h woul d probably

10 b e mor e representativ e o f futur e year s du e t o trend s in

11 climat e

.

12 Anothe r par t o f ou r te n

- yea r study

13 un relat e d t o thi s ha s bee n t o collaborat e wit h on e of

14 th e to p environmenta l engineer s i n th e countr y dow n at

15 Ric e Universit y t o understan d th e mai n contributo r s to

16 ou r u n usuall y hig h ozon e level s i n Dalla s

, whic h are

17 amon g th e highes t i n th e countr y

, an d wha t measures

18 woul d b e mos t cos t effectiv e i n fixin g thi s proble m

. In

19 othe r words

, ho w ca n w e lowe r i t mos t effectivel y ?

20 W e foun d tha t retr o fittin g o r convertin g to

21 natura l ga s thre e antiquate d coa l

- fire d powe r plant s in

22 eas t Texa s tha t blo w righ t int o th e Dalla s / For t Worth

,

23 int o thi s te n

- count y are a

, combine d wit h chang e in

24 gasolin e mixtur e woul d dro p ou r ozon e level s 1 0 parts

25 pe r billio n fo r approximatel y th e sam e economi c cos t toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e industr y tha t ou r consumer s ar e payin g i n healt h care

2 consequence s o f th e ozon e level s

. S o

, w e thin k this

3 chang e appear s economicall y responsibl e

.

4 A s physician s i n th e stat e wh o car e for

5 thes e patient s an d se e th e asthm a attack s

, the

6 respirator y failur e

, th e hospitalization s

, an d the

7 pr e matur e deat h

, w e believ e th e citizen s o f thes e ten

8 countie s ar e payin g a ver y hig h pric e fo r ozon e air

9 pollutio n tha t coul d potentiall y b e a voide d

. Therefor e

,

10 th e 7

, 00 0 physician s o f Dalla s Count y

, supporte d b y the

11 45

, 00 0 physician s o f th e stat e

, Texa s

, strongl y endorse

12 lowerin g th e ozon e standar d 1 0 part s pe r billio n or

13 lower

.

14 I n th e nex t te n

- da y

- - i n th e nex t few

15 day s

, we ' r e goin g to

, a s I mentione d

, goin g t o be

16 ex tendin g ou r stud y t o th e 6 0 par t s pe r billio n standard

17 an d fo r highe r ozon e years

, an d w e' r e goin g t o sen d that

18 t o yo u o n th e e

- mai l

.

19 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. W e would

20 appreciat e tha t i n writin g

.

21 MR

. JAQUES S : Hell o

. M y nam e ' s Don

22 Jaques s

. I ' m r etire d

. I liv e

- - I ' l l ge t thi s working

23 her e i n a minut e

. I liv e her e i n Arlingto n

, Texas

.

24 Whe n I lef t her e i n ' 6 5

- - I graduate d fro m hig h school

25 i n 19 6 5 i n For t Wort h

, Uncl e Sa m wante d t o shar e anCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 experienc e wit h m e i n southeas t Asi a lik e h e di d a lot

2 o f peopl e m y ag e

. I go t bac k

. I wa s i n th e ironworkers

3 union

. Whe n the y did n' t hav e wor k her e

, I wen t to

4 ( inaudibl e )

. W e starte d puttin g precipitato r s o n coal

5 burner s i n 1 97 2 i n Dubuqu e

, Iow a

.

6 We ' v e go t coa l burner s her e

. I f the y want

7 t o kee p the m coa l burner s

, the y shoul d thin k abou t doing

8 th e sam e thing

. Th e cos t o f i t woul d b e les s tha n what

9 i t woul d b e cos t t o ru n a hospita l fo r a wee k

. We ' ve

10 go t th e dirties t coa l i n eas t Texas

, an d w e bur n the

11 dirties t coa l anywher e i n thi s countr y righ t through

12 th e s e coa l burner s dow n i n eas t Texa s

.

13 I' v e go t a brothe r tha t live s o n Ray

14 Simmon s

. H e ca n' t wal k bu t 2 0 fee t befor e h e ha s t o sit

15 dow n

. H e ' s go t C O PD

, an d h e' s o n a ga s machin e 2 4 hours

16 a da y

. Sinc e I cam e hom e i n ' 94

, afte r accident s

- - you

17 kno w

, Vietna m an d th e ironworker s was n ' t rea l goo d t o my

18 healt h

. I' v e ha d a restauran t an d I 'v e ha d a sports

19 clu b

. An d sinc e the n

, I 'v e ra n fo r th e U

. S

. Hous e of

20 Representative s

, an d I ra n o n th e platfor m o f th e fact

21 tha t th e ai r tha t w e ha d i n thi s are a

, jus t righ t her e

,

22 I' m no t talkin g abou t th e entir e countr y

, I' m talking

23 abou t righ t her e

.

24 Yo u ca n driv e dow n t o Midlothia n righ t no w

,

25 pul l int o an y restauran t yo u wan t t o

, wal k i n

, hav e aCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 cu p o f coffe e

, wal k bac k ou t

, an d I guarante e yo u' re

2 goin g t o hav e t o wip e dus t of f you r ca r

. It ' s goin g in

3 you r lung s a s wel l

. I realiz e tha t ou r congressme n here

4 ha s threatene d t o fil e lawsui t agains t th e E P A t o r e move

5 th e restriction s o n ai r qualit y

.

6 Whe n w e ha d t o repor t tha t cam e ou t i n the

7 Dalla s Mornin g New s fou r

- an d

- a

- hal f year s ag o that

8 state d tha t 8 5 percen t o f th e childre n tha t wer e born

9 withi n on e yea r o f th e tim e tha t h e wa s mad e chairma n of

10 th e CP A

- - E P A ha d lun g problem s

. 8 5 percen t o f every

11 chil d i n sout h Dalla s

. The y sai d i t ' d cos t 3

, 00 0 jobs

12 t o correc t thi s

.

13 T o me

, i t woul d see m lik e i t woul d b e a

14 whol e lo t easie r t o r eplac e 3

, 00 0 job s

, whic h i s

, you

15 kno w

, totall y fals e becaus e yo u kno w goo d an d wel l it

16 woul d pu t peopl e t o wor k ( inaudibl e ) precipitator s and

17 jus t chang e the m ove r an d ther e wil l stil l b e people

18 workin g afte r the y ge t throug h

. There ' l l b e mor e people

19 workin g afte r i t get s throug h

.

20 Bu t wha t I' m gettin g at

, primaril y

, i s if

21 w e do n ' t ge t a gri p o n thi s righ t no w

, withi n 1 5 year s

,

22 we ' r e no t lookin g a t 3, 00 0 job s o r 8 5 percen t o f south

23 Dalla s

. We ' r e lookin g a t thi s e ntir e Metrople x

. W e' re

24 lookin g a t th e effect s o f 3 millio n live s jus t righ t in

25 thi s particula r are a

. W e' r e lookin g a t a lawsui t fromCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Oklahom a jus t fro m th e stuf f tha t goe s fro m Texa s into

2 Oklahom a

. I f w e ca n ' t clea n u p ou r ai r no w

, withi n 20

3 years

, w e wo n' t hav e a chanc e to

. I lef t her e an d we

4 ha d th e cleanes t ai r i n th e countr y

. I go t ou t to

5 Californi a

, an d I could n ' t se e th e peopl e i n fron t of

6 me

. Whe n I wa s i n Californi a las t yea r

, i t looke d like

7 Texa s di d whe n I lef t

. I go t bac k t o Texa s

, an d it

8 looke d lik e Californi a di d whe n I lef t

.

9 An d i f w e ca n' t ge t a hol d o f th e grip s

- - I

10 realiz e cattl e

, cotto n

, an d oi l run s Texa s

. Ha s al l my

11 lif e

, alway s wil l

. W e' v e go t t o protec t al l thre e of

12 the m

. W e 'v e go t a n industr y righ t no w tha t' s go t well

13 ove r a trillio n dollar s i n asset s

, an d tha t' s th e oil

14 industr y righ t her e i n Texa s

. The y ca n affor d t o clean

15 thes e power house s up

. The y ca n affor d t o either

16 transfe r ove r t o ga s o r pu t precipitator s withou t any

17 cos t ove r a perio d o f tim e becaus e o f medica l reason s to

18 th e publi c

.

19 An d I woul d reall y appreciat e th e fac t

,

20 whe n y ' al l g o bac k t o D C

, hopefull y w e do n ' t ge t a

21 lawsui t pu t agains t th e EP A

. I' v e realize d y ' al l hav e a

22 lo t o f problem s wit h ou r stat e her e becaus e o f thei r own

23 ideal s

. We ' v e go t t o chang e tha t

. I do n ' t kno w what

24 it ' s goin g t o tak e

. I t woul d b e nic e t o se e peopl e show

25 u p a t th e poll s

, bu t tha t' s no t happenin g eithe r

. WeCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ca n ' t figh t bi g mone y

, s o wha t ar e w e goin g t o d o ?

2 Yo u 'r e goin g t o hav e t o figur e ou t a wa y t o ge t this

3 Congres s t o clea n u p th e ai r an d ( inaudibl e ) citizens

4 ar e goin g t o hav e t o tak e car e o f themselve s

. I

5 appreciat e you r tim e

. Than k yo u

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

, si r

. Nex t

, we

7 woul d lik e t o invit e u p Jeralyn n Co x an d Sharo n Ritchi e

.

8 O n dec k

, Susa n Brow n an d Ke n Sambel l

.

9 MS

. CO X : Ar e w e read y ? Jeralyn n Co x

. I

10 wan t t o tel l yo u abou t th e problem s fo r person s i n my

11 ag e categor y

, tha t woul d b e 7 0

, wh o liv e i n For t Wort h

,

12 Texas

. Whe n i t get s t o b e Augus t

, everyon e wh o can

13 flee s Texa s fo r Colorad o anywa y

, becaus e i t' s s o ho t

.

14 Bu t th e sk y

, a s yo u loo k ou t

, i f yo u 'r e drivin g o n a

15 freewa y bridg e

, i s kin d o f a dirt y brow n colo r

, kin d of

16 a re d

- - yo u kno w

, a re d dirt y brow n

. No t sk y colo r

.

17 I t did n' t use d t o b e tha t wa y

. Whe n you

18 tak e a dee p breat h o n a da y lik e tha t

, i t actually

19 hurts

, yo u kno w ? Wal k in g vigorousl y i n th e par k i s not

20 th e thin g tha t I thin k I shoul d d o

. M y do g

, wh o thinks

21 I shoul d wal k hi m vigor ousl y ever y da y

, ha s a different

22 opinio n

. Bu t th e trut h is

, whe n i t hurt s t o breath e

,

23 yo u begi n t o thin k

, I ma y b e i n th e wron g place

.

24 An d yo u wil l probabl y hav e hear d a bunch

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1 representative s

, peopl e wh o do n' t thin k w e nee d clean

2 ai r a s muc h a s w e nee d industr y

, bu t i f you r wor kforce

3 die s of f o n yo u

, yo u ' r e i n troubl e

. An d fo r sur e

, if

4 you r Socia l Securit y di s abilit y benefit s g o u p o r your

5 Medicar e cost s g o u p o r jus t you r genera l everybody

6 els e' s healt h car e cost s kee p goin g u p a s wel l

, clean

7 ai r i s no t affordabl e

.

8 There ' s go t t o b e som eplac e wher e w e sa y

,

9 oh

, yo u kno w

, w e reall y woul d lik e fo r thi s plane t t o be

10 habitabl e fo r th e nex t generatio n

, an d i f tha t i s to

11 happe n

, w e nee d t o star t cleanin g thing s u p a s quickly

12 a s w e ca n

. Th e lette r tha t I wrot e t o yo u

, whic h I

13 gues s we ' l l

- - I hop e wil l g o i n th e recor d

, referre d to

14 th e studie s don e b y Cook s Childre n ' s Hospita l i n Fort

15 Worth

.

16 I' m prou d o f m y communit y ' s childre n ' s

17 hospita l

, an d I shar e thei r concer n fo r th e fac t that

18 asthm a rate s i n For t Worth / Dalla s ar e thre e time s higher

19 tha n th e res t o f Texa s

. Tha t ough t no t b e happenin g

.

20 We ' v e ha d a hug e i n flu x o f growt h i n For t Worth / Dalla s

.

21 We ' v e als o ha d a hug e i n flu x o f traffi c

. Yo u kno w

, i t ' s

22 mor e pollutio n fro m th e car s

. W e ar e i n th e downwind

23 pat h o f th e coa l

- fire d plant s fro m eas t Texa s

, an d we

24 ar e i n th e dow n win d pat h fro m th e cemen t plant s in

25 Midlothia n

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1 Thos e thing s mak e a toxi c combinatio n for

2 ou r ai r

. I f yo u ca n reduc e th e ozon e

- - i f yo u can

3 im prov e th e ozon e standard s

, yo u hav e a chanc e of

4 helpin g man y peopl e who m yo u ca n ' t se e becaus e the y 're

5 no t her e today

. The y ma y no t b e bor n ye t

. Bu t the

6 trut h i s w e deserv e a plane t tha t i s habitabl e

. You

7 hav e a chanc e an d th e powe r t o d o somethin g tha t can

8 mak e i t mor e habitabl e

, an d I ver y muc h hop e tha t you

9 wil l tak e tha t chanc e an d d o tha t fo r u s

. Than k yo u for

10 you r tim e

.

11 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. I s Sharon

12 Ritchi e presen t an d availabl e ? I f no t

, w e wil l cal l up

13 Susa n Brow n an d Ke n Sambel l

, pleas e

.

14 MS

. BROW N : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e is

15 Susa n Statto n Brow n wit h th e Longvie w Chambe r of

16 Commerc e

. I ' m th e advocac y an d communication s director

17 there

. I ' m her e o n b e hal f o f th e Longvie w Chambe r of

18 Commerc e

. Than k yo u fo r th e opportunit y t o spea k today

19 t o you r boar d

. Bein g i n th e hear t o f eas t Texa s an d the

20 servic e are a o f A E P SWEPC O ( inaudibl e ) Cit y o f Longview

21 i n eas t Texa s provid e s good s an d service s fo r th e trade

22 are a representin g 1 3 countie s an d 3

, 00 0 citizen s

.

23 Ou r trad e are a boast s t o bein g th e hom e of

24 Eastma n Chemica l

, Sabin e Minin g Compan y

, U .S

. Steel

25 Jupite r Product s

, Flin t Hills

, Wes t lak e Manufacturin g

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1 Marti n R e source s

, a s wel l a s mor e tha n 10

, 00 0 other

2 registere d businesse s

, includin g manufacturer s

,

3 technolog y companie s an d varie d industrie s

.

4 Ther e ar e recommendation s tha t th e Longview

5 Chambe r o f Commerc e propose d t o th e EP A regarding

6 greenhous e ga s emission s

. I' m goin g t o jus t g o over

7 thos e recommendation s

. Thi s i s a documen t tha t ha s been

8 submitte d

. Th e Longvie w Chambe r o f Commerc e requests

9 tha t th e EP A issu e ne w guideline s tha t allo w Texa s and

10 othe r state s t o establis h policie s tha t ar e i n th e best

11 interes t o f Texa s an d th e natio n

.

12 Thi s woul d includ e

, on e

, respec t fo r the

13 privac y o f Texa s b y allowin g Texa s t o develo p plants

14 tha t establis h performanc e standar d s an d ( inaudibl e )

15 flexibilit y i n establishin g complianc e mechanism s

. Tw o

,

16 maintai n a n adequat e reliabl e affordabl e electrical

17 generatin g flee t

. Thre e

, b e base d o n E P A fo r cost

18 effectiv e

, achievabl e reduction s a t th e affecte d power

19 plant s rathe r tha n fo r th e Stat e o f Texas

. Fou r

,

20 establis h emission s guideline s base d o n adequately

21 demonstrate d system s tha t ar e fue l an d technology

22 specifi c

. Fiv e

, provid e credi t fo r existen t emissions

23 reductio n al r ead y bein g mad e

. Si x

, a voi d pr e mature

24 retiremen t an d strande d asset s

. Seven

, b e fai r and

25 equitabl e t o al l electricit y consumer s

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1 Furthe r

, th e Longvie w Chambe r o f Commerce

2 recommend s tha t stat e legislator s wor k wit h other

3 polic y maker s i n Texa s

, suc h a s environmenta l

, financia l

,

4 an d agricultura l regulator s

, Attorne y Genera l

, economic

5 developmen t an d governmen t to

, on e

, provid e comment s to

6 EP A o n th e lega l reliabilit y

, affordabilit y

,

7 achievabilit y

, timel y implementatio n

, schedulin g

, and

8 othe r issue s tha t nee d t o b e considere d fo r individua l s

9 an d group s o f state s t o eliminat e ( inaudibl e ) befor e it

10 shoul d dril l

.

11 Tw o

, jointl y develo p stat e implementation

12 plan s t o protec t residentia l

, industr y

, an d commercial

13 electricit y user s an d e n sur e reliabilit y o f th e electric

14 syste m

. An d thre e

, continu e t o engag e EP A an d other

15 relevan t federa l agencie s an d congressiona l delegations

16 afte r th e regulatio n i s finalize d t o avoi d makin g or

17 minimiz e th e aforementione d ris k an d consequence s

.

18 Copie s o f thi s resolutio n i n it s entirety

19 hav e bee n submitte d t o th e EP A

, als o t o Texas

20 legislator s

, head s o f Texa s Offic e s o f th e Environmen t

,

21 Agricultura l

, Economi c Developmen t

, Energ y

, Financial

22 Regulatio n an d th e attorne y genera l a s wel l a s th e mayor

23 o f Longvie w

. Than k yo u fo r you r tim e

.

24 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

25 MR

. SAMBEL L : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Ke n Sambel l

. I hav e live d i n Arlingto n fo r ove r 50

2 year s an d hav e see n th e brow n clou d com e fro m nothin g to

3 wha t i t i s toda y

, an d b y yo u folk s bein g her e

, yo u ' ll

4 probabl y shorte n you r lif e b y s o man y day s

. I' m sorry

5 abou t tha t

.

6 W e do n ' t hav e t o pu t u p wit h thi s

. The

7 lates t technolog y i n Europ e i s availabl e an d

, a s we

8 kno w

, whe n yo u hav e newe r technolog y

, tha t bring s new

9 job s

, whic h in creas e ou r G N P

. S o I strongl y pr o pos e the

10 adoptio n o f th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. I t wil l brin g us

11 int o a reasonabl e chanc e fo r lif e

. Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. A t thi s poin t

,

13 we ' r e goin g t o tak e a te n

- minut e adjournmen t

, an d we

14 wil l b e bac k a t abou t 3 : 40

.

15 (Brea k take n fro m 3:3 0 p.m

. t o 3:4 5 p.m

. )

16 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Oka y

. Ladie s an d gentleme n

,

17 welcom e bac k

. Than k yo u fo r th e break

. W e ar e read y to

18 hea r fro m mor e peopl e

. So

, i f Carolin e Vornber g and

19 Byro n Mathi s

.

20 MS

. VORNBER G : Oka y

. I t ' s nic e t o com e in

21 afte r a brea k

. Everybod y ' s goin g t o b e abl e t o pay

22 attentio n

. I' m Carolin e Vornber g

. I' m a re tired

23 teache r

, an d I hav e see n wha t asthm a doe s fo r man y years

24 no w

. I' m als o a Sierr a Clu b bi g advocat e o f clea n air

25 an d clea n wate r

, an d I than k th e EP A fo r everythingCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 the y' v e don e s o fa r

, sincerel y

.

2 M y husban d ha s jus t trie d t o figur e out

3 wha t' s happene d t o hi m i n th e las t thre e month s

. H e' s

4 ha d persisten t cough

, an d thi s happen s a t th e

- - o n the

5 cus p o f tha t

. M y grandchildre n hav e asthm a

. Hi s son

6 ha s asthm a

. I t ' s jus t to o widesprea d t o ignor e

. An d I

7 suppor t th e EP A ' s progres s towar d th e 6 0 P P M ( si c)

,

8 becaus e i f w e do n ' t jum p i n ther e a hea d o f thi s gam e

, we

9 wil l b e scrabblin g an d i n ver y

, ver y

, ver y sa d straights

10 i f w e ar e havin g t o forc e ourselve s int o somethin g that

11 i s muc h wors e tha n wha t w e hav e no w

. Tha t i s certainly

12 ba d enoug h

.

13 An d th e E P A b y it s ver y nam e i s goin g to

14 protec t u s fro m tha t horribl e possibilit y

. I t i s u p to

15 al l o f u s

. W e al l ar e o n thi s sam e plane t

, hurtling

16 forwar d

, an d w e al l hav e t o d o ou r jo b

, an d I ' m really

17 supportiv e o f E P A doin g you r jo b t o ge t u s i n th e best

18 shap e a s w e ca n fo r th e futur e fo r no w an d fo r the

19 futur e

. I jus t sa y thi s fro m persona l an d other

20 conviction s

. Than k yo u ver y muc h fo r listenin g

.

21 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

22 MR

. MATHI S : Firs t o f al l

, I apologiz e if 2 3 I

- -

24 MR

. NIEBLIN G : I f yo u pul l th e micr o phone

25 ove r

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1 MR

. MATHI S : Yo u ca n ' t hea r m e ?

2 MR

. NIEBLIN G : I ca n

, bu t I thin k th e court

3 reporte r ma y wan t t o a s wel l

.

4 MR

. MATHI S : I ma y bum p m y

- - I' m no t used

5 t o thes e thing s

. Hello

. Firs t o f al l

, I apologiz e

.

6 Whateve r I a m abou t t o sa y i s no t t o hur t anybod y ' s

7 feeling s

, bu t I 'v e bee n a t thi s a whil e

, s o I thin k my

8 perspectiv e shoul d b e hear d

. S o I travele d u p her e from

9 Sa n Antoni o t o giv e i t t o yo u

. M y nam e i s Byro n Mathi s

.

10 I' m 7 2 year s ol d

, an d i t appear s tha t I ma y no t b e with

11 u s to o muc h longe r

. S o al l o f a sudde n

, whe n that

12 happen s

, perspective s chang e

, an d yo u star t lookin g at

13 lif e an d wha t I ' m doin g differentl y

.

14 19 6 0

, I wa s introduce d t o th e concep t of

15 huma n right s violation s

, on e huma n bein g hurtin g another

16 huma n bein g fo r n o apparen t reaso n

, an d althoug h that

17 wa s a gruesom e thin g fo r m e t o watc h

, t o se e

, it

18 launche d m e i n th e caree r o f abou t 3 0 year s

. This

19 wa s n' t wha t I wa s pai d t o d o

. Thi s wa s somethin g I di d

,

20 an d I do n ' t hav e tim e t o explai n i t t o yo u

, bu t I did

21 writ e i t dow n i n littl e booklet s tha t I giv e out

22 wheneve r

.

23 I n 20 0 3

, I r etire d fro m th e U T S A wher e my

24 jo b wa s t o hel p student s realiz e tha t wit h a degre e

,

25 the y di d no t necessaril y automaticall y gai n a jo b

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1 s o I woul d creat e internship s an d s o o n lik e tha t

. And

2 I r etire d fro m tha t

. 2 0 06

, I foun d ou t I ha d cance r and

3 I starte d losin g m y eyesigh t

. I n 2 0 13

, afte r year s and

4 year s an d year s o f comin g t o thes e meeting s

, year s and

5 year s o f writin g hundred s o f letter s

- - an d i n those

6 day s whe n I wrot e th e lette r i t ha d a carbo n cop y o n the

7 en d o f i t

, a lo t o f troubl e

.

8 Afte r al l o f thos e year s

, I decide d that

9 th e whol e concep t o f wha t w e d o her e does n ' t wor k

. Not

10 fo r th e peopl e wh o i t ' s mean t t o hel p

. Tha t is n ' t any

11 faul t o f anybod y her e i n thi s roo m

, bu t i t ha s not

12 helpe d an d I coul d g o bac k again

. I ca n' t d o i t i n five

13 minute s

. S o I qui t

. I

, i n essenc e

, qui t

. I wen t hom e

.

14 I hav e a littl e grandso n I ' m goin g t o han g ou t wit h as

15 lon g a s I ca n

, an d the n thi s

- - I wa s invite d t o this

16 an d

, immediatel y

, I sai d

, n o

, I' v e gon e t o enoug h where

17 peopl e jus t tal k

, everythin g tha t everybod y sai d wil l be

18 give n t o yo u

, bu t yo u 'r e kin d o f a buffe r

.

19 Tha t' s a s I understan d i t

. Yo u' r e goin g to

20 tak e al l thi s an d tak e i t bac k t o you r bosse s

, an d then

21 someho w i t' s al l goin g t o ge t burie d

, an d tha t' s wha t I

22 believ e

, an d tha t ' s wha t ha s happene d i n man y o f the

23 case s tha t I 'v e bee n involve d in

. S o I sai d

, n o

, and

24 the n al l o f a sudde n

, finall y

, a frien d o f min e was

25 comin g

, an d I valu e he r highl y an d wante d he r

- - s o ICOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 cam e

, an d wha t happene d sinc e I' v e bee n her e i s i t wa s a

2 goo d thin g

.

3 Firs t o f al l

, I rod e o n th e bu s wit h some

4 youn g peopl e

, th e savior s

, th e one s tha t ar e actually

5 goin g t o pul l u s ou t o f wha t w e create d

, an d s o we

6 talke d an d w e talke d an d w e talke d

, an d I thin k I go t my

7 poin t acros s

. Whethe r the y agree d o r no t

, I thin k they

8 understan d a littl e differen t perspectiv e o f somebody

9 wh o ' s bee n a t thi s a lon g

, lon g tim e

. An d I go t here

10 an d I starte d talkin g t o som e othe r peopl e ou t ther e

.

11 I' m a peopl e perso n

. I lov e talkin g t o peopl e

.

12 An d al l o f a sudde n

, w e did n' t star t off

13 agreein g

, bu t i n th e en d

, w e sor t o f wer e gettin g closer

14 t o agreein g

, an d the n I listene d ou t i n th e pati o t o a

15 mothe r wh o wa s explainin g talkin g ove r th e microphone

16 an d explainin g ho w he r nin e

- yea r

- ol d

- - fo r nin e year s

,

17 sh e ha s watche d he r chil d i n a n environmen t tha t was

18 detrimenta l t o tha t chil d' s healt h

. Nin e years

, she

19 watche d thi s

. I ca n ' t fatho m thi s

. I do n ' t kno w ho w a

20 perso n coul d d o thi s

. I f I foun d ou t m y chil d had

21 asthm a an d wa s livin g

, I ' d b e i n m y ca r

, gone

22 immediatel y

.

23 An d the n a docto r get s u p

, a docto r

, and

24 talk s abou t hal f o f hi s child ' s lif e ha s bee n spen t in

25 th e sam e kin d o f environmen t

, an d h e eve n ha d th e littleCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 gir l ther e

. An d I ' m sayin g t o mysel f

, I' m mor e an d more

2 convince d tha t nothin g wil l happe n her e unles s the

3 peopl e wh o ar e no t her e ar e her e

. I f th e Sierr a Clu b

- -

4 an d I do n ' t eve n kno w ho w yo u guy s ar e involve d in

5 thi s

- - bu t i f the y ca n ' t ge t ou t i n th e street s an d put

6 th e peopl e i n her e an d Sa n Antoni o

, an d agai n

, thi s is

7 nothin g t o d o wit h yo u

, bu t i t ' s th e whol e concep t of

8 wha t w e d o her e

.

9 The y murdere d a chil d

, a youn g ma n i n our

10 communit y

, an d w e hel d thi s bi g rall y t o ge t somebody

11 intereste d

, an d 1 2 peopl e showe d up

. 1

. 4 millio n

, they

12 murdere d on e o f ou r citizen s an d fou r

- - an d 1 2 people

13 sho w u p

. S o

, whateve r yo u d o t o g o bac k

, yo u 'r e going

14 t o b e dealin g wit h bosse s

, an d the y ' r e goin g t o listen

15 o r the y' r e no t goin g t o liste n

, an d thes e peopl e are

16 goin g t o g o hom e

, possibl y wit h th e ide a tha t something

17 goo d migh t happe n

, an d i t wo n ' t

.

18 An d unti l w e ca n ge t ou t ther e an d start

19 invitin g thes e peopl e i n

, star t pullin g the m in

, paying

20 the m i f yo u hav e t o

, t o sho w the m tha t thi s countr y is

21 i n dee p troubl e

, th e environmen t i s i n dee p troubl e

, and

22 i f w e ca n ' t ge t yo u guy s

- - I ' v e bee n t o you r big

23 buildin g i n Washingto n

. Hol y mackere l

, tha t i s a huge

24 buildin g

. Wha t i n th e worl d ar e the y doin g i n ther e if

25 the y ca n ' t

, i n 4 0 years

, mak e anymor e change s thanCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 the y' v e mad e i n savin g th e peopl e fro m themselve s ? And

2 tha t' s i t

. Than k yo u

.

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Nex t u p Sandr a DenBrabe r

.

4 I f Steve n Davidso n o r Sharo n Ritchi e ar e i n th e offic e

,

5 pleas e chec k i n wit h th e registratio n des k an d le t them

6 kno w tha t yo u' r e her e

. Davi d Grigg s

.

7 MS

. DENBRABE R : H i

, m y nam e i s Sandy

8 DenBrabe r

. I liv e les s tha n 60 0 fee t fro m 2 2 natural

9 ga s well s tha t wer e drille d i n th e Shal e

, an d base d on

10 m y medica l record s

, th e TC E Q gav e a violatio n t o Carrizo

11 Oi l an d Ga s wit h enforcemen t becaus e o f ho w sic k they

12 mad e i t

. Tw o year s prio r t o th e drillin g

, I ha d a total

13 o f te n docto r visit s

, mos t o f thos e wer e relate d to

14 goin g t o hav e a hi p r e placemen t an d thereafte r

.

15 Afte r tha t

, withi n a ver y shor t perio d of

16 tim e

, I ha d ove r 7 9 docto r visit s

. I teste d positive

17 fo r thei r drillin g chemical s

. Th e loca l offic e proved

18 thos e drillin g chemical s coul d com e fro m n o othe r source

19 tha n th e Carriz o dril l sit e

. M y di s abilit y i s severe

20 multipl e hyper sensitivitie s

, s o I ' m no t lik e a typical

21 perso n i n societ y

.

22 I liv e i n a ver y controlle d environmen t

. I

23 do n ' t g o ou t shoppin g t o bi g mall s

. I ' m ver y careful

24 wher e I g o

, becaus e i f I ge t int o perfum e

, i t 'l l mak e me

25 sic k

. S o a lo t o f time s

, I jus t a voi d

, an d I sho p atCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 place s lik e Whol e Food s t o ge t m y foo d

. I orde r things

2 onlin e s o tha t I ca n contro l m y environmen t an d wher e I

3 go

. S o tha t make s m e th e perfec t guine a pi g

, s o tha t if

4 I' m gettin g sic k fro m drillin g

, an d the n i t' s really

5 use d t o se t of f m y carbo n monoxid e detecto r

, especially

6 i n th e middl e o f th e night

, an d I hav e n o ga s i n my

7 hom e

, an d i t woul d smel l lik e I wa s i n th e middl e o f an

8 oi l r e finer y

, somethin g ha s t o b e don e t o mak e i t safe

9 fo r peopl e

, no t jus t me

, fo r everybod y

.

10 Th e proble m i s tha t th e drillin g neve r goes

11 a wa y

. Thos e well s ar e stil l ther e

, an d th e olde r a well

12 get s

, i t i s know n tha t the y lea k mor e an d mor e

. There

13 ar e stil l fra c k wate r recover y truck s tha t com e daily

,

14 an d thos e truck s sometime s leav e

- - ar e sittin g there

15 idlin g wit h al l thei r diese l exhaus t

, whic h affect s m e

,

16 an d I ca n ' t g o outsid e

.

17 Wha t I nee d fro m yo u i s hel p

, no t jus t with

18 al l th e majo r ozone s tha t yo u focu s on

, like

19 automobile s

, bu t als o th e focu s o n th e natura l gas

20 drillin g an d ho w i t' s don e

, becaus e it ' s peopl e lik e me

21 tha t i t' s cos t m e th e mone y

. Th e oi l an d ga s refus e to

22 hel p pa y fo r th e medica l bill s I ha d

, an d I ha d an

23 extremel y larg e amoun t o f medica l bill s

. It ' s

24 protectin g someon e lik e me

, becaus e th e U

. S

. Government

25 ha d t o en d u p payin g fo r th e 8 0 percen t o f m y billsCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 becaus e o f Medicar e

.

2 So

, wh y shoul d th e governmen t hav e t o pay

3 fo r m y medica l bill s whe n i t wa s th e natura l ga s ? But

4 th e natura l ga s

, i f i t woul d hav e bee n regulated

5 properl y

, would n ' t hav e mad e m e sic k

. I t shoul d have

6 neve r bee n don e i n a n urba n settin g to o clos e t o home s

,

7 to o clos e t o childre n

, an d th e pollutio n ca n be

8 astronomica l an d deadl y

.

9 Wha t I ' d lik e t o d o no w i s jus t as k yo u

,

10 pleas e pa y attentio n t o wha t' s happenin g wit h natural

11 ga s drillin g

, becaus e i t doe s affec t

, peopl e an d i t can

12 b e ver y

, ver y toxi c t o man y

. It ' s bee n a coupl e of

13 year s sinc e th e majo r drillin g wa s goin g o n

, bu t

, lik e I

14 sai d

, th e drillin g doe s no t g o a wa y

. Thi s mornin g

, I

15 coul d smel l fume s outsid e m y hom e tha t come s fro m the

16 dril l sit e

.

17 Whe n

- - ther e ar e time s whe n the y hav e a

18 24 / 7 monito r ther e

, bu t i f i t read s hig h

, th e T C E Q will

19 sa y

, o h

, wel l

, ther e wa s somethin g wron g wit h the

20 monito r tha t da y an d di s allo w tha t readin g

, an d tha t' s

21 no t righ t

. I do n ' t trus t th e TC E Q becaus e a yea r after

22 th e violatio n

, the y sen t m e a lette r di s missin g i t with

23 n o plausibl e reaso n

. Their s wa s jus t som e little

24 excus e

. S o th e onl y on e w e hav e i s yo u t o protec t us

.

25 Than k yo u

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1 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, w e would

2 lik e to o cal l u p Aaro n Wesle y an d Su e Pop e

. Oka y

, David

3 Grigg s

, the n

.

4 MR

. GRIGG S : Goo d afternoo n

, m y nam e is

5 Davi d Grigg s

, an d I' m a n attorne y an d als o a n adjunct

6 instructo r a t Brookhave n Colleg e ove r i n Dalla s

. But

7 today

, I ' m her e representin g th e Sierr a Clu b Lonestar

8 chapte r a s a membe r o f it s executiv e committe e an d a s a

9 concerne d citize n o f nort h Texas

. Incidentall y

, I ' m

10 als o a forme r publi c servan t

. I serve d fo r 2 2 year s as

11 a civi l prosecuto r wit h th e Federa l Trad e Commissio n

, so

12 I applau d al l o f yo u fo r you r effort s a s publi c servants

13 t o tr y t o d o you r jo b t o protec t th e publi c healt h

.

14 I ha d man y opportunitie s t o hel p with

15 regulator y rule s tha t w e e n force d t o hel p protec t the

16 publi c fro m deceptiv e trad e practice s

, s o m y thoughts

17 ar e wit h yo u a s yo u attemp t t o tr y t o pu t togethe r a

18 rul e tha t wil l giv e u s maximu m protectio n fo r th e public

19 healt h an d t o full y implemen t al l o f th e aspect s o f the

20 Clea n Ai r Ac t an d al l o f it s proteg e

.

21 Wha t I ' d lik e t o tal k abou t firs t i s that

22 ver y federa l

- stat e partnershi p tha t wa s supposedl y to

23 hel p u s implemen t al l o f th e effort s o f th e Clea n Air

24 Ac t

, an d a s yo u al l ar e ver y a war e tha t i n man y state s

,

25 tha t partnershi p wit h th e state s ha s no t prove n t o beCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 totall y workabl e

. S o i t doe s tak e th e effort s o f the

2 EP A t o tr y t o wor k har d t o implemen t a standar d that

3 wil l achiev e thos e goal s an d b e accepte d everywher e

.

4 Th e goo d thin g abou t wha t yo u ' r e tryin g to

5 d o i s tha t al l o f thes e rule s an d standard s tha t you

6 hav e trie d t o pu t forwar d actuall y d o kin d o f work

7 togethe r

, an d a lo t o f th e publi c does n ' t understand

8 tha t

. Som e o f th e medi a do n' t ge t tha t eithe r

. The

9 fina l mercur y an d toxi c standar d rul e

, th e regiona l haze

10 rules

, som e o f u s wen t t o r e centl y testif y i n durin g the

11 commen t perio d

, an d o f cours e

, th e pr o pose d clea n power

12 plant

, whic h I ' m sur e yo u' r e quit e familia r wit h

, do

13 wor k han d i n han d t o tr y t o achiev e thes e goal s an d to

14 hel p th e state s mee t th e pr opose d standard s togethe r

.

15 I n fac t

, you r ow n projection s sho w tha t a

16 vas t majorit y o f countie s wit h monitor s woul d mee t the

17 pr o pose d standard s b y th e yea r 2 0 2 5 jus t wit h th e rules

18 an d program s tha t ar e no w i n plac e o r soo n t o b e

,

19 hopefull y

, unde r wa y

. S o tha t ' s a grea t effor t o n your

20 par t t o tr y t o mak e al l o f thes e part s t o th e puzzle

21 wor k

, an d som e o f u s i n th e publi c reall y d o appreciate

22 you r effort s i n tha t regar d

.

23 Plu s

, yo u 'r e givin g th e state s tim e t o meet

24 thes e standard s

. It ' s no t lik e thi s i s somethin g that

25 ha s t o happe n fiv e year s fro m no w o r eve n si x o r sevenCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 fro m no w

. W e' r e lookin g of f int o th e futur e a decad e or

2 mor e befor e we

, yo u kno w

, hav e t o hav e al l o f these

3 thing s com e togethe r

. Bu t ye t

, th e standard s ar e toug h

,

4 an d yo u believ e i n protectin g th e publi c healt h

, and

5 tha t' s wha t thes e standard s wil l d o an d tha t ' s a good

6 thing

.

7 On e o f th e othe r issue s tha t I thin k is

8 importan t her e i s di s closur e

. A s I mentione d

, whe n I

9 worke d fo r th e Federa l Trad e Commissio n

, w e wer e all

10 abou t requirin g businesse s t o di s clos e thing s t o peopl e

,

11 an d a s lon g a s the y understoo d wha t wa s happenin g

, then

12 the y wer e informe d ; the n the y coul d mak e thei r decisio n

.

13 Thes e standard s allo w informatio n t o b e pu t ou t ther e so

14 tha t peopl e wil l kno w wha t th e standard s ar e

. The y 'll

15 kno w whe n thei r healt h i s i n dange r

, an d o f cours e

, your

16 ow n supportiv e material s sho w tha t th e publi c healt h is

17 a t ris k

, childre n

- - particularl y senior s an d children

18 wit h asthm a hav e hug e healt h risk s toda y

. An d s o i t' s

19 importan t fo r thes e law s t o b e pu t int o effec t

.

20 Plu s

, yo u 'r e usin g scienc e a s th e basi s of

21 wha t yo u ' r e tryin g t o d o

. Tha t i s a goo d thin g a s wel l

.

22 An d yo u kno w

, th e worl d i s lookin g t o th e Unite d States

23 righ t no w fo r leadershi p an d publi c polic y

. Our

24 Presiden t ha s take n th e worl d stag e re centl y wit h his

25 effort s wit h Chin a an d th e climat e chang e i n genera l

.COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 W e nee d t o

, a s a n agenc y an d a s federa l servant s

, t o try

2 t o d o th e ver y bes t w e ca n t o implemen t thos e standard s

,

3 an d I thin k i n thi s particula r cas e

, yo u' r e doin g a

4 grea t jo b

, an d I applau d you r effort s i n doin g s o

.

5 An d havin g sai d tha t

, I thin k tha t w e need

6 t o tr y t o delive r th e mos t protectiv e standar d possible

7 a t th e lowes t en d o f th e rang e recommende d b y your

8 scienc e advisor s

. I f w e 'r e goin g t o trus t scienc e

,

9 le t ' s trus t ou r scientist s t o tel l u s wha t w e nee d to

10 do

. I f 6 0 part s pe r billio n i s no t achievabl e

, a t least

11 65

. Le t ' s d o th e bes t w e ca n t o protec t th e public

12 healt h

. Than k yo u fo r you r tim e

.

13 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, I' d like

14 t o invit e u p Eri n Wesle y an d Su e Pop e an d Sar a Campbel l

,

15 an d Reggi e Jame s o n dec k

.

16 MS

. WESLE Y : Goo d afternoo n

, m y nam e is

17 Eri n Monro e Wesle y

, an d I serv e a s th e executiv e vice

18 presiden t an d chie f operatin g office r fo r th e Baton

19 Roug e Are a Chambe r i n Bato n Roug e

, Louisian a

. O n b e half

20 o f th e investor s o f th e Bato n Roug e Are a Chambe r an d the

21 regio n ' s busines s communit y

, w e stan d befor e yo u today

22 t o ex pres s ou r significan t concer n regardin g the

23 propose d Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Qualit y Standard s for

24 Ozon e rul e issue d b y th e EP A o n Novembe r 2 5t h

, 201 4

.

25 Th e Bato n Roug e Are a Chambe r continue s toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 vehementl y oppos e th e pr opose d reduction s i n ambien t air

2 qualit y standard s fro m th e curren t leve l o f 7 5 part s per

3 billio n

. BRA C believe s i n an d stand s fo r cleane r air

4 an d environmen t

. Fo r roughl y te n year s

, BRA C ha s a

5 hoste d a Bato n Roug e Clea n Ai r Coalitio n

, a grou p whose

6 existenc e an d wor k span s th e pas t 2 5 year s

.

7 Thes e effort s wer e critica l t o th e success

8 o f th e Bato n Roug e Are a achievin g ozon e attainmen t

.

9 Sinc e th e E P A firs t pr o pose d lowerin g th e 200 8 ozone

10 index

, th e Bato n Roug e are a ha s see n fou r major

11 industria l project s

, totalin g 2, 00 0 direc t an d i n direct

12 job s an d mor e tha n 7 billio n i n capita l i n vestment

13 eithe r pu t o n hol d o r g o elsewher e

. Thes e losse s ar e in

14 direc t correlatio n wit h th e uncertaint y create d b y the

15 newl y pr o pose d ozon e standard s rul e

.

16 I n 20 1 4

, BRA C worke d wit h fou r specific

17 chemica l manufacturer s tha t wer e investigatin g major

18 investment s i n th e regio n

. Thi s include d tw o companies

19 tha t execute d purchas e agreement s o n larg e industrial

20 site s wit h inten t t o develo p

. Subsequen t l y

, al l fou r of

21 thes e companie s indicate d tha t th e E PA ' s pr o pose d new

22 standard s an d availabilit y o f emissio n reductio n credits

23 influence d thei r decision s t o loo k elsewher e o r not

24 procee d

.

25 Th e direc t i m pac t o n th e Bato n Roug e are a

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1 i n term s o f ne w payrol l create d fro m th e projects

2 themselve s

, woul d hav e bee n ove r 8 6 millio n annuall y in

3 wage s fo r th e loca l econom y

. Thi s doe s no t includ e any

4 indirec t o r spi n of f i nvestmen t o r payrol l create d

. Let

5 m e b e ver y clea r

. Thes e project s wer e pu t o n hol d or

6 los t unde r th e curren t scenari o a t th e ver y mentio n of

7 th e pr opose d change s an d th e prospec t o f th e region

8 returnin g t o nonattainmen t statu s du e t o th e EP A ' s

9 propose d lowerin g o f th e ozon e ai r qualit y standard s to

10 th e 6 5 t o 7 0 part s pe r billio n rang e

.

11 Economi c developmen t professional s have

12 projecte d tha t i n th e futur e

, th e Bato n Roug e are a will

13 no t eve n b e approache d fo r thes e type s o f project s

, much

14 les s compet e fo r the m

. Th e sam e effec t i s happenin g to

15 th e U

. S

. a s a whol e a s thes e policie s d e creas e foreign

16 direc t investmen t

, expor t

, an d ne w manufacturing

17 expansio n

. Th e Bato n Roug e are a ha s bee n extremely

18 successfu l i n creatin g economi c improvemen t

. R e centl y

,

19 th e U

. S

. Burea u o f Economi c Analysi s ranke d Bato n Rouge

20 amon g th e to p te n o f th e natio n ' s fastes t growin g metro

21 area s i n term s ( inaudibl e ) standin g i n gros s domestic

22 produc t

.

23 Furthe r mor e

, Busines s Affiliat e listed

24 Louisian a a s havin g th e fourt h bes t busines s climat e in

25 th e natio n

, secon d fo r economi c potentia l

, an d BatonCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Roug e a s th e to p nationa l are a fo r economi c growth

2 potentia l i n 2 0 13

. O n Apri l 4 th

, 2 0 14

, th e Louisiana

3 Departmen t fro m ( inaudibl e ) announ c e d tha t th e E P A

4 determine d tha t th e Bato n Roug e are a i s currently

5 attainin g th e 2 00 8 eigh t

- hou r ozon e standar d

. This

6 ( inaudibl e ) wa s base d o n a recen t revie w o f ai r quality

7 dat a fro m 2 0 1 1 t o 20 1 3

.

8 Th e stat e ha s d e crease d groun d leve l ozone

9 i n Bato n Rouge

, whic h i m prove d ai r qualit y an d human

10 healt h fo r th e 80 0

, 00 0

- plu s resident s

. Preliminar y air

11 qualit y dat a fo r 2 01 4 continue s t o sho w tha t th e area

12 meet s th e 2 0 0 8 eight

- hou r ozon e standar d

. Louisian a is

13 no w developin g a pla n t o sho w ho w th e ( inaudibl e ) area

14 ca n maintai n complianc e wit h th e ozon e standar d fo r the

15 nex t te n years

.

16 Clea n ai r i s a priorit y fo r th e stat e a s a

17 whol e an d certainl y fo r th e Bato n Roug e are a business

18 communit y

. Economi c developmen t an d environmental

19 stewardshi p d o no t hav e t o b e mutuall y exclusiv e goal s

,

20 an d thi s regio n ' s businesse s ar e committe d t o bot h

. The

21 EP A ha s no t eve n full y implemente d it s 200 8 NAAQS

22 standar d acros s th e natio n

, bu t i t stil l pr o pose s more

23 stringen t standard s tha t coul d deepl y rui n economic

24 advantage s fo r metropolita n region s lik e th e Bato n Rouge

25 are a tha t ar e alread y i n attainmen t

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1 I t i s ou r stron g recommendatio n tha t the

2 standard s no t b e lowere d fro m 7 5 part s pe r billio n

.

3 Prio r t o implementin g an y hug e reduction s i n th e ozone

4 NAAQS

, E P A shoul d investigat e an d creat e a toolbo x for

5 state s an d region s t o us e i n creatin g ne w an d innovative

6 way s fo r achievin g lowe r standard s o f emission s and

7 implementin g emission s contro l mechanism s

.

8 Thi s coul d includ e a nationwid e rule

9 allowin g ( inaudibl e ) trainin g

, inte r sourc e tradin g

, and

10 eve n creatio n o f a blueprin t fo r emissio n reduction

11 credi t clearinghous e t o matc h u p companie s requiring

12 emissio n credit s wit h potentia l project s tha t will

13 achiev e ne w of f set s

. Th e Bato n Roug e Are a Chamber

14 strongl y urge s th e E P A no t t o procee d wit h implementing

15 an y change s tha t includ e lowerin g o f th e ozon e standards

16 a t thi s tim e

. Than k yo u

.

17 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Su e

.

18 MS

. POP E : Firs t

, I wan t t o sa y than k you

19 fo r comin g her e an d listenin g t o u s fo r ou r need s

, and

20 w e hav e need s an d therefor e th e bettermen t o f th e whole

21 generatio n

. B y an y chanc e

, d o an y o f y ' al l hav e asthma

22 o r a perso n i n you r famil y tha t ha s asthm a ? S o yo u know

23 wha t i t' s al l abou t ? An d w e focuse d o n tha t today

. I

24 liv e i n a

- - i n th e D F W are a i n a tow n

. I t' s called

25 Midlothia n

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1 Approximatel y 2 0 year s ag o

, I wa s amon g a

2 grou p o f peopl e fro m th e ( inaudibl e ) A t Risk

3 organizatio n wh o cam e t o Washingto n t o discus s th e poor

4 ai r qualit y nea r th e Midlothia n comple x 2 0 year s ag o

.

5 Caro l Brow n wa s th e E P A administrato r a t th e tim e

.

6 Countles s u n fortunat e circumstance s hav e occurre d since

7 the n

. Man y o f u s hav e com e her e toda y t o reques t a new

8 ozon e standar d o f no t mor e tha n 6 0 part s pe r billio n

,

9 an d tha t ' s fo r a reaso n

, an d I thin k ther e ' s a numbe r of

10 peopl e tha t hav e demonstrate d thei r reaso n toda y

.

11 B y th e E P A' s ow n number s

, th e re ductio n of

12 ozon e t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d reduc e asthm a deaths

13 i n th e U

. S

. b y 9 5 percen t

. Sympatheti c elected

14 official s

, industr y financ e studie s

, an d corporate

15 employee s wil l sa y ther e ar e n o rea l benefit s to

16 reducin g DF W smo g

. Tha t sam e grou p insiste d tha t global

17 warmin g di d no t exis t

. W e kno w bette r no w

. Ba d air

18 day s initiat e asthm a attack s

, hear t attack s

, missed

19 school s

, pr e matur e death s

, amon g othe r healt h effect s

.

20 Whe n yo u hav e a n asthm a attac k

, an d it ' s a

21 reall y ba d on e

, i t ' s lik e yo u jumpe d int o a swimming

22 poo l an d yo u ca n' t ge t t o th e to p

, n o matte r wha t you

23 do

. Yo u jus t ca n ' t breath e

. Industr y i s oppose d to

24 additiona l pollutio n control s becaus e o f th e expens e

. A

25 ba d ai r da y an d asthm a medicatio n ca n als o b e quiteCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 expensiv e

. Lik e on e o f th e girl s sai d

, sh e coul dn ' t

2 affor d i t

. Sh e need s wha t sh e talke d abou t

.

3 A ba d ai r da y

, a passin g ou t i n Kroge r ' s

4 grocer y stor e ca n cos t yo u ove r a thousan d dollar s for

5 th e ambulanc e plu s mileag e an d th e rid e t o tak e yo u to

6 th e hospita l

, no t t o mentio n th e cos t o f treatment s that

7 ar e almos t 5

, 00 0

. Becaus e o f th e poo r ai r qualit y da y s

,

8 th e hospita l emergenc y war d i s beyon d capacit y

. The

9 onl y space s i n th e hal l i s o n a gurne y unti l the

10 followin g da y

. Th e staf f fo r treatmen t i s terribly

11 limite d

, an d ther e ar e n o room s availabl e for

12 admission s

. M y oxyge n alon e i s $ 75 0 pe r mont h

.

13 Fo r youn g familie s an d thos e without

14 insuranc e

, asthm a ca n b e extremel y expensiv e

. Families

15 tha t hav e childre n wit h asthm a fac e spendin g a s muc h as

16 $ 24 5 a mont h fo r jus t a littl e puffe r an d $ 19 8 a month

17 fo r inhalatio n solutio n

, th e cos t o f th e machin e to

18 administe r i t

, plu s al l th e docto r ' s fee s

. Whe n I was

19 o n th e America n Lun g Associatio n boar d o f director s

,

20 thei r ( inaudibl e ) wa s

, whe n yo u canno t breath e

, nothing

21 els e matter s

, an d i t doesn ' t

. I t i s Go d give n an d we

22 wan t an d nee d cleane r ai r t o breath e

. An d w e hop e you

23 ca n provid e tha t fo r us

. Than k yo u

.

24 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, I would

25 lik e t o invit e u p Eilee n Brow n an d Sar a Campbel l

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1 pleas e

.

2 MS

. BROW N : I com e her e toda y fro m Austi n

,

3 Texas

. I a m a concerne d citize n

, a rea l estate

4 appraise r

, an d professiona l

, an d mos t o f al l

, a mother

5 o f fou r youn g girl s

. I hav e a fe w concern s

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : I' m sorr y

, woul d yo u please

7 stat e you r nam e fo r th e

- -

8 MS

. BROW N : Eilee n Brow n

. I hav e a few

9 concern s

, wel l

, mor e tha n a fe w

, bu t w e 'r e her e toda y to

10 tal k abou t th e ozon e leve l bein g re considere d

, whic h is

11 a n o

- braine r

. It ' s har d tellin g young

, smar t

,

12 intelligen t childre n wh y w e 'r e stil l goin g towards

13 thing s tha t

- - whe n w e kno w bette r

. W e hav e renewable

14 alternative s

, an d we ' r e no t doin g i t

, an d mone y fo r a

15 fe w i s n' t wort h healt h o f al l

. I t does n' t jus t affect

16 ou r dail y event s

. I do n ' t eve n kno w i f wit h th e

- - with

17 m y righ t min d

, I ca n le t m y daughter s swi m i n th e green

18 belt s tha t I gre w u p swimmin g i n whe n w e g o wal k down

19 ther e becaus e the y 'r e s o pollute d

. An d I do n ' t even

20 kno w tha t I shoul d hav e bee n swimmin g i n the m whe n I was

21 a chil d

. S o I d o hav e concern s ther e

.

22 Bu t professionall y

, I 'v e see n peopl e no w

- -

23 I' v e don e appraisal s o n peopl e i n ove r thei r head

24 becaus e o f th e drough t

. I ' v e see n peopl e affecte d by

25 th e flood s

, an d i t ' s al l connecte d

. S o yo u ca n ' t talkCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 abou t coa l withou t talkin g abou t frackin g an d without

2 talkin g abou t oi l

. I t' s no t jus t affectin g u s dail y

.

3 It ' s affectin g peopl e financiall y

. No w the y ' r e starting

4 t o sa y i t ' s no t a goo d ide a t o vacatio n i n place s that

5 ar e practicin g frackin g

. Wel l

, oop s fo r Texa s

. S o we

6 reall y nee d t o thin k abou t thi s no w

. W e shoul d have

7 though t abou t i t year s ag o

.

8 Bu t w e ca n' t affor d t o tel l thes e kid s that

9 thei r futur e i s fo r sal e

. W e ca n 't

. The y 'r e smarter

10 tha n tha t an d w e

- - i f i t take s mone y t o d o i t

,

11 economicall y

, Texa s i s goin g t o tak e a hi t rea l soon

12 wit h th e pollutio n an d

, yo u kno w

, i t ' s bi g busines s

, but

13 whe n i t start s hittin g touris m an d rea l estat e

, I' ve

14 personall y know n a lad y tha t r e centl y

, withi n th e yea r

,

15 re locate d he r grandso n an d he r daughte r fro m th e Houston

16 are a t o Austi n becaus e o f thei r asthm a problem s

, an d she

17 sai d tha t sh e gre w u p ther e

, he r fathe r wa s i n the

18 re finer y busines s

. Yo u kno w

, it ' s i n he r bloo d bu t she

19 ca n ' t tak e i t anymor e

.

20 Sh e sai d

, the y ' r e no t goin g t o foo l me

21 anymor e abou t puttin g mom s an d pop s ou t o f busines s

.

22 I' m no t goin g t o hav e m y grandso n gro w u p i n i t anymor e

.

23 S o sh e move d t o Austi n

, bu t Texa s ha s a proble m

, in

24 genera l

. S o wha t abou t whe n peopl e star t movin g out

25 becaus e Texa s i s to o pollut e d ? Tha t doe s affec t ourCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 econom y

, ou r childre n

. I wan t t o se e m y childre n be

2 abl e t o swi m i n a rive r i n thei r hom e stat e

. I wan t to

3 se e the m hav e health y childre n

, an d mos t o f al l

, I do n ' t

4 wan t t o se e the m r e locate d becaus e o f pollutio n

. They

5 shoul d b e a s prou d o f thei r stat e a s I hav e grow n u p

.

6 S o than k yo u

. Than k yo u fo r you r tim e

.

7 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Sar a

.

8 MS

. CAMPBEL L : Goo d afternoo n

. Firstl y

, I

9 wan t t o than k yo u fo r holdin g thi s hearin g an d fo r the

10 challengin g wor k tha t yo u d o ever y da y t o tr y t o protect

11 ou r countrie s environmen t

. M y nam e i s Sar a Campbel l

.

12 I' m her e toda y a s a membe r o f th e Missour i Sierr a Clu b

.

13 I hav e flow n 5 0 0 mile s t o b e wit h yo u toda y i n orde r to

14 shar e wit h yo u wh y th e tightenin g o f th e groun d level

15 ozon e standard s i s s o importan t t o m e

.

16 I n Missour i

, w e fac e abov e averag e rate s of

17 asthm a

, particularl y i n childre n livin g i n our

18 communitie s wit h u n saf e ai r

. Th e entir e greate r S t

.

19 Louis

, Missour i

, are a ha s lon g bee n i n no n attainment

20 zon e fo r ozone

, an d part s o f th e cit y ar e als o in

21 no n attainmen t f o r sulfu r dioxid e a s wel l

. S t

. Louis

22 rank s i n th e to p te n mos t pollute d citie s i n th e United

23 State s

.

24 Ther e ar e fou r coa l

- fire d powe r plant s in

25 th e greate r St

. Loui s are a

, thre e o f whic h d o no t haveCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 moder n pollutio n control s

. M y famil y ar e alread y living

2 i n a n are a wit h dangerou s ai r

. I liv e i n downtown

3 Kansa s Cit y

, Missour i

, whic h ha s bee n designate d a s a

4 no n attainmen t fo r sulfu r dioxid e

. I n th e hear t o f that

5 zon e i s als o a n outdate d coa l

- fire d powe r plant

. Nearly

6 hal f o f al l Missour i an s ar e currentl y livin g i n areas

7 wit h hig h ozon e pollutio n

. Bu t sinc e th e standar d has

8 no t bee n update d

, mos t peopl e d o no t eve n kno w the y 're

9 a t ris k

.

10 Tha t certainl y goe s fo r Kansa s Cit y

, which

11 woul d b e i n a no n attainmen t fo r ozon e whe n th e E P A

12 change s th e standar d

. M y siste r an d I bot h have

13 adult

- onse t asthm a

. M y adul t daughte r an d m y siste r ' s

14 te n

- yea r

- ol d daughte r hav e asthm a a s wel l

. M y niec e

,

15 lik e man y kid s wit h asthm a

, ha s ha d a difficul t time

16 managin g he r symptom s

. He r mos t re cen t flar e

- u p landed

17 he r i n th e emergenc y roo m

, lethargi c

, wit h he r skin

18 turnin g blu e

. Fo r peopl e lik e u s wit h asthm a

, sometimes

19 eve n th e ver y ai r w e breath e ca n b e ba d fo r ou r healt h

.

20 Smo g aggravate s m y asthm a symptom s

, leaving

21 m e strugglin g t o breath e

. I t ca n ofte n fee l lik e a

22 shar p pai n o f a muscl e cram p i n ou r lung s o r eve n a s if

23 a 30 0

- poun d weigh t i s crushin g m y ches t

. Th e sensation

24 o f no t bein g abl e t o catc h on e ' s breat h i s truly

25 terrifyin g

. M y symptom s kee p m e hom e i n be d duringCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 flare

- up s an d sen d m e t o th e emergenc y roo m fo r more

2 sever e attack s

.

3 A s a di s able d Arm y vetera n

, I a m sur e that

4 thi s cause s a considerabl y larg e expens e fo r m y local

5 veteran s ' hospita l

. Livin g i n downtow n Kansa s City

6 come s wit h man y amenitie s

, bu t i n orde r t o liv e there

7 wit h asthm a

, I mus t alway s kee p m y apartmen t windows

8 close d an d us e ai r purifier s i n additio n t o th e regular

9 us e o f expensiv e medication s an d breathin g treatments

10 whic h ar e anothe r expens e t o th e Veterans

11 Administratio n

. Missour i resident s deserv e t o know

12 whethe r thei r ai r i s clea n o r no t

, an d s o w e are

13 countin g o n th e E P A t o us e th e bes t availabl e scienc e to

14 se t a n accurat e standar d

.

15 Fourtee n Missour i stat e legislator s have

16 submitte d letter s t o th e E P A callin g fo r th e agenc y to

17 issu e a stronge r smo g pollutio n standar d i n orde r to

18 protec t publi c healt h

. Tightenin g o f th e smo g standards

19 wil l no t hur t th e econom y bu t wil l creat e mor e job s a s a

20 resul t o f invasio n an d i nvestmen t i n ne w technologie s

.

21 Smo g

- relate d healt h car e cos t s fa r outweig h an y industry

22 c os t s t o compl y wit h EP A standard s

, an d healt h car e costs

23 ar e th e leadin g caus e o f bankruptcie s i n thi s countr y

.

24 I urg e yo u t o stan d strongl y agains t the

25 re lentles s industr y pus h bac k i n orde r t o protec t ourCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 publi c healt h

. Towar d tha t goa l

, I en courag e yo u to

2 lowe r th e groun d leve l ozon e standar d fro m th e current

3 7 5 pp b dow n t o 6 0 pp b

. Than k yo u agai n fo r you r tim e

.

4 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

- - ladies

5 an d gentleme n

, I

- - w e appreciat e you r enthusias m

, but

6 thi s i s a n opportunit y fo r everyon e t o b e hear d equall y

,

7 s o w e as k tha t thi s no t b e audienc e fee d bac k a s wel l

,

8 bu t w e offe r u p Reggi e Jame s an d Fait h Chatha m

.

9 MR

. JAME S : Goo d afternoo n

. I ' m Reggie

10 James

. I ' m th e interi m directo r o f Sierr a Clu b ' s Lone

11 Sta r chapte r i n Texa s

. Ou r offic e i s i n Austi n

, an d I

12 reall y appreciat e y' al l listenin g t o folk s dow n her e and

13 I hop e yo u liste n ver y carefull y

, whic h I ' m sur e you

14 ar e

. I kno w tha t it ' s a ver y roug h jo b

. A fe w o f us

15 hav e worke d fo r governmen t agencie s

, an d i t ca n be

16 awfull y thankles s sometime s

, bu t al l yo u ca n d o i s just

17 d o you r jo b

, an d I kno w yo u wan t t o d o th e bes t yo u can

18 do

.

19 I n thi s particula r are a

, i t ' s a

20 scienc e

- base d standar d

. S o

, a lo t o f time s in

21 governmen t

, yo u hav e t o mak e reall y toug h calls

, bu t I

22 thin k i n thi s cas e

, yo u do n 't

, becaus e i t i s a

23 scienc e

- base d standar d

. An d th e Suprem e Cour t has

24 uphel d tha t it ' s a scienc e

- base d standar d

. I 'v e hear d a

25 lo t o f peopl e com e u p an d tel l yo u tha t th e cos t isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 goin g t o b e hig h

, tha t i t' s goin g t o affec t job s

, and

2 tha t ca n b e debate d

. Bu t thi s docke t i s no t where

3 tha t' s suppose d t o b e debate d

.

4 I thin k you r jo b o r you r bos s ' jo b i n this

5 docke t i s t o loo k an d se e i f th e scienc e i s sufficient

6 t o tel l yo u tha t yo u nee d t o chang e th e standar d

, o r do

7 yo u nee d t o kee p th e standar d th e sam e

. I thin k i t ' s

8 prett y clea r tha t th e scienc e support s lowerin g the

9 standar d

. I thin k i t ' s prett y clea r tha t th e actual

10 scienc e

- - ther e' s lot s o f studie s

. Ther e ' s n o lac k of

11 the m

. Severa l o f the m hav e bee n co

- sponsore d b y E P A

.

12 Al l o f th e majo r

- - no t al l

, bu t several

13 majo r universitie s an d governmen t

, nationa l institute s

,

14 th e healt h nationa l institute s o f environmenta l health

15 hav e don e studie s o n effect s o f ozon e

. Som e o f the m are

16 o n elderl y

. Som e o f the m ar e don e i n VA s

, childre n

. So

17 I thin k tha t scienc e i s there

.

18 So

, al l yo u hav e t o d o i s wha t i t support s

,

19 an d actuall y

, th e scienc e support s a standar d lowe r than

20 6 0 percen t

, bu t w e 'r e supportin g th e 6 0 percen t

. We

21 hav e t o star t somewher e

. An d I thin k al l th e evidence

22 kin d o f show s

, especiall y fo r ( inaudibl e ) population s

,

23 tha t somethin g quit e a bi t be lo w 7 5 i s goin g t o b e more

24 protectiv e tha n wha t w e hav e

. S o w e d o strongl y support

25 th e 6 0 percen t PP M

.COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 I mentio n tha t it ' s a scienc e

- based

2 standar d an d I jus t wan t t o

- - I ' m assu m in g tha t you

3 kno w thi s

, tha t th e Suprem e Cour t di d uphol d just

4 re centl y

- - no t tha t lon g ag o

- - I thin k i t wa s October

5 o f 201 4

, a cas e wher e th e 7 5 PP M standar d was

6 challenge d

. Yo u' v e hear d fro m lot s o f peopl e from

7 Sierr a Clu b

, yo u' v e hear d fro m a lo t o f citizen s

, s o I ' m

8 no t goin g t o repea t th e thing s tha t the y sai d

, but

9 there ' s on e thin g tha t I wan t t o poin t ou t

.

10 Peopl e hav e talke d abou t al l o f the

11 differen t healt h risk s fro m respirator y diseas e

,

12 cardi o pulmonar y diseas e

, elderl y

, childre n

, asthm a

, the

13 particula r ris k t o outsid e worker s

, whic h w e hav e a lot

14 o f an d a lo t o f who m ar e lo w incom e

. Bu t I wante d to

15 jus t touc h o n obesit y

. An d th e reaso n tha t I di d is

16 becaus e obesit y

- - th e rat e o f obesit y ha s double d in

17 childre n an d quadruple d i n th e las t 3 0 years

. I t' s an

18 epidemi c

. I t' s a proble m

. I t ' s a hug e proble m in

19 Texas

.

20 Texa s rank s wit h al l o f th e state s that

21 hav e th e highes t obesit y rate s

. We ' r e no t numbe r on e

,

22 bu t w e hav e bee n

, an d w e probabl y wil l b e again

. Thank

23 goodnes s fo r Mississipp i an d Alabam a

. We ' r e 16 t h

- - I

24 mea n

, we ' r e

- - 1 6 percen t o f childre n i n Texa s are

25 obese

. Nationall y

, 6

- t o 1 1

- yea r

- old s hav e i n creasedCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 fro m 7 percen t t o 1 8 percen t fro m 1 9 8 0 t o 20 1 2

. 1 2

- to

2 19

- yea r

- old s

, i t i n crease d fro m 5 percen t t o 2 1 percen t

.

3 Th e reaso n tha t I ' m

- - on e o f th e reason s I' m bringing

4 thi s u p i s tha t obesit y i s on e o f th e thing s that

5 exacerbate s asthm a

.

6 I mea n

, i t' s lik e ozone

. Ozon e exacerbates

7 asthm a

. I t cause s onse t an d exacerbate s

, an d obesity

8 doe s th e sam e thin g

. Whe n yo u ad d obesit y t o ozon e

, I

9 mea n

, ho w i s a ki d goin g t o breath e ? I t' s a ba d dea l

,

10 an d i t ' s a dea l tha t ' s gettin g wors e

. S o I thin k that

11 there ' s a reaso n t o offe r eve n greate r protectio n and

12 tr y t o

- - har d t o alleviat e thi s

. Ther e' s several

13 studie s

.

14 On e wa s th e America n Colleg e o f Chest

15 Physicia n s

. Tha t wa s adult s

. Anothe r on e i s a t North

16 Carolin a Chape l Hil l

. Tha t wa s i n childre n

, bu t they

17 sho w th e sam e thin g o f th e correlatio n betwee n obesit y ' s

18 stronge r effect s o n asthm a an d th e correlatio n o f the

19 tw o wit h ozone

. Th e

- - t o

- - I' l l tr y t o wra p thi s u p

,

20 bu t on e o f th e othe r thing s

, t o m e

, an d I thin k it ' s

21 mor e illustrativ e o f a bigge r proble m

, i s whe n yo u think

22 abou t obesit y an d th e fac t tha t i t' s i n creasin g that

23 it ' s hereditar y

, i t' s

- - ha s a lo t t o d o wit h income

24 level

. I t' s a lo t t o d o wit h lifestyl e

.

25 An d fo r a n obes e chil d o r fo r a chil d withCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 asthm a

- - le t' s tak e a n obes e chil d wit h asthm a

, worst

2 cas e scenari o

, an d w e hav e lot s o f ozon e day s

, an d it ' s

3 no t jus t wher e the y' r e technicall y ozon e day s

. We ' re

4 talkin g abou t hig h ris k population s tha t are

5 particularl y vulnerabl e

, s o i t ca n b e somethin g quit e a

6 bi t b e lo w th e lega l standar d wher e the y 'r e a t ris k

, but

7 the y hav e t o sta y insid e

. An d is n' t th e thin g w e really

8 wan t obes e kid s t o d o i s t o ge t mor e activit y

, i f we

9 ca n

, i n a saf e wa y

, an d bein g outsid e i s a grea t wa y to

10 d o it

.

11 Th e othe r thin g i s

, i s i f ther e

- - i f they

12 ar e outsid e an d the y ' r e ex pose d t o ozon e

, the y' r e a t a

13 greate r ris k

, especiall y

, yo u kno w

, i f ther e ar e

- - kids

14 tha t ar e obes e wit h asthm a

, the y ' r e a t th e greatest

15 ris k

. I t ' s lik e w e do n ' t wan t the m t o g o outsid e

, and

16 w e do n ' t wan t the m t o sta y insid e

. S o I thin k that

17 reall y i s a goo d argumen t fo r

, le t' s b e protectiv e of

18 the m

, an d tha t ' s jus t th e poin t tha t I wante d t o mak e

.

19 S o I reall y suppor t wha t yo u' r e doin g

, suppor t what

20 we ' r e doing

.

21 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Oka y

.

22 MS

. CHATHA M : Than k yo u

. I ' m Faith

23 Chatha m

, an d I pu t tw o copie s o f m y statemen t o n your

24 des k a t th e break

. I liv e abou t te n block s fro m her e

,

25 an d I ' m representin g DF W Regiona l Concerne d Citizen s

. ICOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 hav e a prepare d statemen t

, bu t I ' m goin g t o ad d t o it

.

2 Afte r hearin g M r

. Smit h an d th e gentlema n wit h th e oil

3 industr y mak e som e statement s

, I canno t le t thi s res t

.

4 Breathin g th e ai r i n th e D F W Metrople x is

5 difficul t fo r som e o n man y day s an d especiall y har d for

6 other s o n ever y da y

. T C E Q i s no t doin g i t s jo b

, and

7 yo u 'v e hear d fro m som e peopl e toda y tha t ar e good

8 example s o f th e pressur e tha t i s o n the m

. Ther e are

9 time s i n th e pas t

, th e distan t pas t

, whe n EP A did n ' t do

10 tha t grea t a jo b

.

11 Bu t I wil l tel l yo u

, Mr

. Smit h

, whe n he

12 starte d talkin g an d mi s characterizin g D r

. A l an d th e job

13 tha t wa s don e b y you r agenc y unde r hi m

, h e wa s lyin g to

14 thi s bod y

. An d h e wa s lyin g t o yo u

, becaus e th e job

15 you r agenc y di d unde r D r

. A l wa s exemplar y

. I t was

16 honorabl e

, an d i t wa s i n th e bes t interes t o f th e people

17 i n th e Unite d State s

. An d I applau d yo u

, an d th e man

18 wa s sel f

- servin g

, an d th e word s h e sai d

, wel l

, hi s nose

19 i s ver y lon g

. W e kno w h e wa s afte r hi s ow n pocketbook

20 instea d o f afte r wel l s

.

21 Th e stud y tha t h e mentione d abou t E P A about

22 th e S M U stud y

, i t wa s a n inventor y o f th e source s of

23 emission s i n th e Dalla s / For t Wort h are a

, an d h e wa s the

24 firs t perso n tha t note d tha t ther e wer e n o oi l an d gas

25 source s liste d o n tha t S IP

. Thi s oi l ma n doe s no t evenCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 wan t th e source s liste d o f th e oi l an d ga s o n th e S IP

.

2 Com e of f her e

.

3 The n hi s co m padr e startin g citing

4 Dr

. Honeycut t a s a n authorit y tha t w e shoul d trus t when

5 i t come s t o wha t i s goo d huma n healt h

. D r

. Honeycut t on

6 th e payrol l o f th e Stat e o f Texa s

, an d h e doe s wha t the

7 governo r an d th e prio r governo r want s hi m t o do

, and

8 the y' r e onl y interes t e d i n th e wha t th e oi l companies

9 wh o giv e the m mone y d o

. An d I 'l l tel l yo u

, w e heard

10 fro m a ver y respecte d docto r fro m Dalla s toda y wh o was

11 representin g thousand s o f medica l professional s wh o see

12 patient s da y i n an d da y ou t an d know s wha t happen s

.

13 He ' s credibl e

. Honeycut t is n ' t

.

14 I f Honeycut t wer e credibl e

, M s

. ( Inaudibl e )

15 woul d no t hav e th e T C E Q re mov e th e enforcemen t issue s on

16 he r charg e

. Breathin g th e ai r i n thi s are a is

17 difficul t

, bu t ther e ar e soli d medica l scientific

18 evidenc e tha t th e curren t Nationa l Ambien t Ai r Quality

19 Standard s ar e inadequat e t o protec t huma n healt h

.

20 Resident s o f thi s natio n deserv e health y ai r

, an d in

21 thi s regio n

, w e d o no t hav e i t

.

22 Othe r region s whic h ha d muc h wors e ai r than

23 w e di d too k actio n

. No w Housto n an d Californi a have

24 cleane r ai r tha n th e DF W Metrople x

. W e nee d yo u a t the

25 EP A t o ac t t o protec t th e peopl e o f thi s regio n

. I f weCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ha d t o liv e wit h th e ai r becaus e i t wa s u n avoidabl e

,

2 tha t woul d b e tragi c enoug h

. Ther e ar e som e thing s that

3 ar e natura l tha t yo u ca n ' t d o anythin g about

.

4 Howeve r

, i n ou r cas e

, her e i n th e D F W

5 regio n

, i t i s avoidabl e

. Ther e ar e thing s whic h are

6 known

, prove n

, attainabl e

, possibl e

, practica l

,

7 availabl e

, an d reasonabl e

, ye t T C E Q refuse s t o consider

8 the m an d t o includ e the m i n th e curren t S I P

. I fin d it

9 totall y u n acceptabl e no t t o d o wha t i s possibl e t o clean

10 u p th e ai r

.

11 Instea d

, Texa s official s operat e on

12 arroganc e

. Instea d o f constructiv e actio n

, th e reality

13 her e i s i n actio n

. Ignorin g th e la w

, citin g jun k science

14 lik e yo u hear d a coupl e o f gentleme n earlie r this

15 afternoo n d o

, ignorin g medica l e x pert s wh o reall y know

16 wha t' s happenin g wit h peopl e ' s bodie s

, i n attempt s to

17 construc t fals e premise s an d t o spi n wh y i n actio n will

18 b e sufficien t t o ge t th e jo b don e whe n w e al l kno w tha t

,

19 absolutel y

, i t wil l no t

.

20 I n appearin g her e toda y t o urg e yo u to

21 rejec t th e S I P tha t i s bein g submit t e d b y TC E Q t o your

22 agenc y

, i t i s empt y an d doe s no t compl y wit h th e Clean

23 Ai r Ac t

. The y hav e no t include d an y significant

24 availabl e contro l technologie s o r method s i n thi s S IP

.

25 The y di d no t eve n attemp t t o tak e credi t fo r som e o f theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 thing s whic h th e industr y i s doin g voluntaril y which

2 woul d clea n th e ai r

.

3 W e nee d th e stronge r standard s me t

.

4 Attemptin g t o wor k wit h TC E Q throug h th e ai r chec k group

5 fo r th e Nort h Texa s Centra l Texa s Counci l o f Government

6 thi s yea r ha s bee n a exercis e i n futilit y becaus e they

7 did n' t liste n t o th e citizen s

, an d the y did n ' t liste n to

8 th e e x perts

. Fo r exampl e

, I wa s especiall y e ncouraged

9 t o hea r tha t

- - th e result s o f a stud y wher e actual

10 measurement s wer e take n o f th e emission s fro m source s on

11 oi l an d ga s sites

. Ther e wa s goo d new s

.

12 I n th e pas t

, whe n w e d o a permi t b y rul e

,

13 the y hav e alway s jus t don e a calculatio n

. The y pul l a

14 numbe r ou t o f th e hea d

, the y calculat e it

, an d they

15 figur e th e emissio n

. The y did n' t measur e it

. This

16 tim e

, the y wen t ou t an d measure d the m

, an d I though t

,

17 wo w

, w e migh t b e gettin g somewher e

. Som e o f the

18 source s

, ther e wer e les s emission s tha n wha t the y' d been

19 calculatin g

, bu t ther e wer e significantl y mor e emissions

20 comin g of f o f th e engine s o n thes e pa d sites

.

21 So

, I proceede d nex t t o a n enginee r

, an d he

22 basicall y aske d thi s questio n

. H e sai d

, wha t would

23 happe n i f yo u wer e t o electrif y th e motor s an d hav e them

24 sola r generate d ? Ca n yo u mode l tha t ? TC E Q say s

, wel l

,

25 yea h

, w e coul d probabl y mode l tha t

. H e say s

, woul d youCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 pu t i t

- - woul d yo u mode l i t an d pu t i t i n th e S IP

. The

2 draf t come s bac k

, the y hav e n' t modele d it ; the y haven ' t

3 include d it

. I aske d th e sam e perso n

, wh y have n ' t you

4 pu t i t i n ther e ? The y sai d

, o h

, i t woul d b e to o har d on

5 th e gri d

.

6 I sai d

, o n th e gri d ? W e aske d abou t sola r

.

7 Di d yo u conside r sola r ? O h

, n o

, w e did n' t d o tha t

. So

8 I wen t t o th e representativ e ove r ( inaudibl e )

, an d he

9 sai d

, wel l

, brin g i t u p whe n w e d o th e draft

. A couple

10 o f week s ag o

, i n thi s ver y roo m

, the y di d th e draf t of

11 th e S I P

. The y did n' t eve n pu t i t i n

. The y stil l acted

12 lik e the y ' d neve r eve n hear d i t

. No w

, wha t w e wer e told

13 i n tha t meetin g wa s tha t i t woul d probabl y brin g i t down

14 t o zer o

. S o I kno w I ' m gettin g pas t m y tim e

.

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : We ' r e happ y t o tak e the

16 balanc e o f you r remark s i n writin g

, s o i f yo u

- -

17 MS

. CHATHA M : I ' m simpl y askin g yo u to

18 rejec t th e S IP

, t o e n ac t th e highe r standard s

, t o listen

19 t o th e medica l doctor s wh o ar e actuall y treating

20 patient s

, rathe r tha n th e peopl e tha t ar e pai d b y the

21 Stat e o f Texas

, an d t o hol d th e T CE Q ' s fee t t o th e fir e

.

22 Than k yo u

.

23 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, I' d

24 lik e t o invit e Margare t DeMos s an d Harrie t Irb y

.

25 MS

. DEMOS S : Goo d afternoo n

, MargaretCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 DeMos s

. I' m a citize n an d no t a membe r o f an

2 organizatio n

. First

, I wan t t o than k yo u al l fo r being

3 her e an d fo r you r servic e t o th e EP A

. A s I' v e been

4 sittin g her e

, I wan t t o than k al l yo u folk s her e

. There

5 ha s bee n som e eloquen t testimon y

, an d I 'v e been

6 im presse d wit h peopl e wh o hav e com e suc h a distanc e

.

7 I' v e testifie d her e befor e

. I 'v e also

8 testifie d a t stat e an d regiona l regulator y meeting s

. So

9 hav e man y o f th e othe r peopl e i n thi s roo m

, an d a s we

10 ar e nearin g th e en d o f th e da y

, I ' m sur e yo u hav e heard

11 th e sam e fact s an d figure s ove r an d ove r agai n

. Yo u' ve

12 hear d th e ple a fo r cleane r ai r an d fo r mor e regulations

13 ove r an d ove r agai n

. Yo u wil l continu e t o hea r th e same

14 ove r an d ove r agai n th e res t o f th e da y

.

15 Ma y I re min d yo u tha t w e her e i n thi s room

16 ar e th e preciou s fe w wh o hav e take n th e tim e of f wor k or

17 a wa y fro m othe r responsibilitie s t o drive

, i n some

18 cases

, man y mile s t o b e her e

. I f other s wer e abl e

,

19 the y

, to o

, woul d tel l yo u

, ove r an d ove r agai n

, th e same

20 thing

. W e i n thi s roo m represen t a n arm y o f peopl e who

21 ar e sic k an d tire d o f bein g sic k an d tire d o f dirt y air

22 an d sic k an d tire d o f a governmen t wh o ha s eleva t ed

23 busines s interes t abov e th e healt h o f it s citizen s

.

24 S o I d o hav e writte n testimon y whic h I

25 woul d lik e t o ente r int o th e recor d no w

. I' v e live d inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e Dalla s / For t Wort h are a fo r ove r 4 0 years

, an d during

2 tha t tim e

, m y so n ha s suffere d fro m asthm a

, an d th e rest

3 o f m y famil y ha s endure d a variet y o f complication s from

4 th e ba d ai r

, th e ozon e day s

, an d th e lik e

.

5 M y concer n abou t th e healt h problem s le d me

6 t o see k a maste r ' s degre e i n publi c healt h i n 1 9 9 8 with

7 a thesi s o n asthm a educatio n

. Th e proble m wit h dirty

8 ai r i s ongoin g

, specificall y i n th e DF W are a

. Because

9 ou r regio n i s no w on e o f th e fastes t growin g i n the

10 countr y

, w e ca n expec t mor e peopl e

, mor e car s

, more

11 constructio n

, an d becaus e o f th e Barnet t Shal e

, mor e gas

12 well s drille d

.

13 Al l o f tha t add s u p t o mor e pollutant s in

14 ou r ai r

. I t i s essentia l tha t th e E P A ste p u p and

15 requir e wha t th e Texa s Commissio n o n Environmental

16 Qualit y ha s no t

, an d tha t i s t o reduc e th e smo g standard

17 fro m 7 5 part s pe r billio n t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

18 Nationwid e ozon e i s th e caus e o f thousand s o f pr e mature

19 death s an d million s o f wor k an d schoo l day s misse d due

20 t o asthm a an d breathin g

- relate d illnesse s

.

21 Wit h D F W no w on e o f th e wors t area s in

22 Texa s an d i n th e countr y

, a require d smo g reduction

23 woul d mak e a significan t differenc e i n th e healt h and

24 th e longevit y o f th e mos t compromise d

, ou r childre n and

25 ou r elderl y

. Th e DF W Metrople x i s uniqu e

. I t isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 downwin d fro m a gaggl e o f plant s t o ou r sout h

, several

2 coa l plant s o n th e southeas t

, an d th e usua l industrial

3 suspect s al l aroun d u s an d th e newes t a rriva l

, gas

4 drillin g an d frackin g mainl y t o th e wester n sid e o f the

5 Metrople x

.

6 Th e toxi c sou p fro m al l thes e source s can

7 b e reduce d b y technolog y alread y i n plac e an d prove n

.

8 Whethe r i n th e Unite d State s

, implemente d i n state s with

9 stronge r regulation s

, o r i n Europ e wher e dirt y ai r is

10 no t tolerate d

, companie s hav e an d

- - the y hav e an d they

11 us e tool s t o mak e thei r ai r cleane r

. Bu t the y wil l not

12 d o wha t the y d o no t hav e t o d o

. I t i s you r jo b t o raise

13 th e standard s fo r th e countr y an d t o protec t th e health

14 o f th e citizen s

. An d I than k yo u ver y muc h

.

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Harrie t

.

16 MS

. IRB Y : Goo d afternoo n

, an d I ' d lik e to

17 than k yo u al l fo r th e lon g journe y t o Texa s

. M y nam e is

18 Harrie t Irb y

. I liv e a t 340 0 Peac h Tre e Lan e

, Panteg o

,

19 Texas

. A s a perso n wit h C O P D no t cause d b y smokin g

, I

20 fee l compelle d t o com e her e

. A Texa s stat e health

21 publicatio n

, Breath e Acros s Texa s 2 0 14

, an d I though t

, I

22 wonde r i f I coul d breath e acros s Texas

. Bu t the

23 publicatio n state s tha t ove r 1 millio n Texan s hav e CO P D

.

24 Som e 10 0

, 00 0 t o 15 0, 00 0 o f u s hav e neve r smoke d

.

25 Instea d

, w e wer e poisone d b y othe r toxinsCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 i n th e ai r

, th e ambien t ai r

. Ozone

, methan e

, an d V OCs

2 ca n al l destro y lun g tissu e

. CO P D

, i n a nutshel l

, means

3 earl y deat h an d a lo t o f medica l expense s

. Accordin g to

4 th e stat e publicatio n jus t quote d

, th e averag e hospital

5 sta y fo r a routin e C O P D admissio n i s 3 0

, 00 0

. Doctor

6 visit s averag e abou t 14 0

, an d I ca n tel l yo u from

7 persona l experienc e

, tha t' s reall y clos e t o th e money

.

8 Whe n yo u pu t togethe r asthm a an d CO P D

9 hospita l admission s i n 2 01 4

, yo u ' r e comin g u p t o a bill

10 o f $ 1 billio n

. Yo u kno w yo u coul d bu y a lo t of

11 pollutio n contro l equipmen t fo r tha t

. Bu t instea d

,

12 peopl e lik e m e ge t t o pa y th e bil l

. W e pa y fo r th e lack

13 o f equipmen t rathe r tha n industr y payin g fo r the

14 presenc e o f equipmen t

. It ' s a rathe r uniqu e conundru m

.

15 Mos t o f u s her e ( inaudibl e ) ozon e i s ba d

,

16 expensiv e

, an d i t kill s peopl e

. Th e E P A

, y' all

17 definitel y kno w i t

. Th e E P A repor t title d

, Integrated

18 Sign s an d Symptom s fo r Ozon e an d R elate d Phot ochemical

19 Oxidan t s i n 20 1 3 conclude s wit h ozon e pose s serious

20 healt h threat s t o huma n being s

. W e al l prett y much

21 concu r

. Wha t w e lac k i s no t th e knowledg e

, bu t the

22 wil l

. Bu t afte r hearing s lik e thi s

- - an d i t ' s

23 interestin g t o poin t ou t

, concurrentl y wit h this

24 hearin g

, ou r Congres s i s votin g o n Keyston e righ t no w

.

25 I do n ' t kno w ho w i t' s com e ou t

, bu t itCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 look s a s thoug h Keyston e wil l pas s

, bu t no t pas s a s a

2 vet o

- proo f bil l

. Make s m e kin d o f wonde r abou t the

3 timin g o f thi s hearin g

. I thin k tha t' s rathe r nea t

.

4 Bu t her e i n Texas

, dirt y ai r i s wha t w e dea l wit h

, and

5 it ' s tim e t o chang e thi s sa d loca l scen e o f dirt y air

6 an d perpetua l no n complianc e

.

7 Accordin g t o th e America n Lun g Associatio n

,

8 th e D F W are a i s th e locatio n onl y eigh t rung s abov e the

9 ver y botto m o f th e char t fo r ozon e pollutio n

. M y ZIP

10 cod e

, 76 0 13

, get s a n F fo r 20 1 4

, perio d

. F quality

11 dirt y ai r i s killin g m e an d othe r peopl e

. Th e T CE Q

12 refrai n o f complianc e does n ' t cu t i t fo r m e and

13 thousand s o f othe r C O P D sufferer s

, som e o f who m liv e on

14 m y block

.

15 Secon d poin t

, ai r issue s ar e complicate d

.

16 We ' v e argue d abou t standar d amount s

, equipmen t t o us e

,

17 equipmen t t o tes t

, measurin g tactic s an d equipmen t types

18 ar e debatabl e

. I ge t tha t

. Mos t peopl e her e ge t tha t

.

19 Yo u ar e pai d t o ge t tha t an d yo u do

. Bu t th e T C E Q and

20 industrie s mangl e th e emissio n o f environmental

21 protectio n agencie s

. T C E Q simpl y sue s yo u an d hire s its

22 ( inaudibl e ) scientist s t o protec t th e revenu e strea m

.

23 Dr

. Tingle r

, U T A Austi n

, seismi c researche r recently

24 hire d b y th e T C E Q say s

, it ' s th e dut y o f T CE Q t o protect

25 th e revenu e strea m

. No t peopl e

, th e revenu e strea m

.COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Revenu e i s importan t

, bu t th e environment

2 an d huma n healt h com e firs t

. I notice d I ' v e ru n over

3 an d I apologiz e

. I d o hav e a n editoria l fro m the

4 Longvie w New s Journa l

, hardl y a libera l are a o f Texas

,

5 bu t th e editoria l say s Texa s mus t sto p way s

- - fin d ways

6 t o sto p suin g an d fin d way s t o i m prov e ai r qualit y

. And

7 I hav e a cop y fo r eac h o f yo u an d than k yo u fo r your

8 tim e

.

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t w e' d like

10 t o invit e u p Ki m Fei l an d Zachar y Craf t

.

11 MS

. FEI L : H i

, I' m Ki m Fei l

, an d I live

12 severa l block s a wa y

. I ' v e bee n bloggin g throug h a

13 wor dpres s

. co m websit e calle d Barnet t Shal e Hel l about

14 thre e year s no w

. I almos t hav e 5 0 0 blo g entrie s

, an d I

15 hav e t o refrai n becaus e m y hea d i s fille d wit h s o much

16 informatio n becaus e I 'v e bee n researchin g th e oil

17 industr y fo r th e las t seve n year s

, an d th e information

18

- - th e mor e tha t I lear n

, th e mor e I wan t t o tell

19 peopl e

.

20 Re centl y

, I joine d Livabl e Arlingto n

.

21 We ' r e a coalitio n

, righ t no w

, o f women

, tha t wil l want

22 t o hel p regulat e th e oi l an d ga s industr y her e in

23 Arlingto n an d eventuall y ge t i t banne d

. Whe n D r

. Robert

24 Hale y cam e u p

, h e mentione d somethin g abou t th e 4 0 parts

25 pe r billio n ozone

. Wel l

, yo u kno w

, tha t' s a pip e drea m

,COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 bu t h e wa s reall y drivin g a poin t hom e t o m e i n my

2 heart

, becaus e ove r th e las t seve n year s

, I recall

3 readin g somethin g fro m America n Scientifi c tha t sai d to

4 b e completel y protectiv e o f publi c healt h

, yo u really

5 nee d 3 5 par t s pe r billio n

.

6 S o we ' r e sittin g her e talkin g abou t 65

, 7 0

.

7 No

, w e nee d 30

. Tha t shoul d b e ou r goa l

. W e really

8 should n ' t b e aimin g s o lo w

. I remembe r whe n I first

9 move d her e fro m livin g b y th e re finerie s an d I though t

,

10 oh

, ge e

, I pu t u p wit h tha t

. M y kid s wen t t o a

11 differen t schoo l wher e I ha d t o driv e the m mayb e 1 5

, 20

12 minute s ever y mornin g

, an d I remembe r

, righ t after

13 frackin g starte d

, tha t whe n I woul d tak e m y kid s across

14 tow n

, I' d com e hom e an d I' d coug h fo r hal f a n hou r

. And

15 I though t

, wo w

, thi s i s somethin g ne w

.

16 S o tha t' s whe n I kin d o f go t th e ide a tha t

,

17 oh

, I migh t hav e asthm a

. Wel l

, I ' m a musicia n

, an d I

18 wa s a musicia n

. I kin d o f gav e tha t u p s o I coul d blog

19 abou t frackin g

. Bu t on e da y

, I decide d I wa s goin g to

20 d o thi s Easte r eg g hun t fo r m y churc h an d entertai n

, and

21 s o ther e wa s thi s ra p tha t I like d t o d o

, an d I could n ' t

22 d o it

. I kep t breakin g m y rhyth m

.

23 Ther e wa s a ( inaudibl e ) bu s

, droppe d all

24 th e kid s of f fo r th e Easte r eg g hun t

, an d I trie d to

25 tak e m y dee p breat h

, an d I though t

, oh

, n o

, I do n' t haveCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 enoug h

, I ca n' t d o thi s on e

. Jus t t o tel l yo u wha t it

2 wa s I wa s tryin g t o d o

. O h

, hel p m e fathe r Go d t o live

3 outsid e m y ski n

, m y fles h an d blood

, thi s worl d tha t I ' m

4 in

, mus t I liv e i n m y hear t

, ho w fa r t o di g t o star t to

5 se e m y purpos e i n you r pla n

, rul e ove r si n

. I coul dn ' t

6 d o it

. Ha d t o breath e fou r time s

. An d yo u kno w

, black

7 peopl e star t lookin g a t m e lik e

, sh e ca n' t ra p

. I can

8 ra p

. I jus t ca n' t d o i t o n tha t da y

.

9 I t i s a gam e whe n w e manufactur e

, an d we

10 pollut e ou r water

, an d w e pollut e ou r ai r

, bu t w e have

11 thes e trinket s

. I ' m al l fo r job s

, bu t w e reall y nee d to

12 ge t ove r thi s consumptiv e societ y

. W e reall y nee d to

13 ge t bac k t o basic s

. The y ha d thes e littl e kid s from

14 Afric a th e othe r da y o n WF A A

, an d the y wer e doin g a

15 littl e danc e

, an d the y wer e sayin g

, it ' s col d her e

. We

16 ca n ' t wai t t o ge t bac k hom e

.

17 The y ha d i t

- - the y naile d it

. The y did n ' t

18 car e abou t al l thi s consumeris m

. The y did n' t hav e cell

19 phone s

. Thes e kid s realize d the y hav e i t goo d back

20 wher e the y live d

. The y understan d

. The y have

21 perspectiv e

. Yo u kno w wit h th e pric e o f crud e going

22 dow n

, I se e thi s i s a grea t opportunit y t o pu t the

23 squeez e o n th e fossi l fue l industr y t o stor e a new

24 busines s pr o fil e

. The y nee d t o hel p u s ge t o n th e move

25 t o renewable s

.COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 W e ca n ' t d o i t withou t the m

. The y brought

2 u s ou r prosperit y her e i n th e Unite d State s

, bu t their

3 er a ha s change d

. Thei r tim e i s don e

. The y ar e obsolete

4 i n m y boo k

. No w tha t renewable s ar e a t a cos t parit y

,

5 w e nee d th e EP A t o seiz e th e da y an d ge t thi s ozone

6 standar d an d pu t a fina l squeez e s o w e ca n mov e o n and

7 throug h th e fossi l fue l er a

. I f w e wan t t o surviv e on

8 thi s eve r i n creasin g hostil e plane t

, yo u ca n sav e the

9 world

. Becaus e th e Unite d State s like s t o boas t that

10 the y' r e leader s

.

11 No w

, whateve r Obam a di d wit h Chin a the

12 othe r da y tha t h e wa s boastin g abou t o n hi s Stat e o f the

13 Unio n messag e tha t

, w e' r e takin g thes e step s wit h Chin a

.

14 I jus t sa w lik e a blur b thi s mornin g o n m y compute r

, and

15 I did n ' t ge t a chanc e t o rea d abou t it

, bu t i t has

16 frackin g involve d i n it

. Yo u ha d thes e peopl e here

17 earlie r sayin g

, o h

, w e' v e go t t o ge t thes e coa l plant s

,

18 natura l ga s

. Wron g

.

19 Cradl e t o grav e

, emission s fro m

, yo u kno w

,

20 methan e leak s blowin g u s t o climat e chang e

. Yo u kno w

,

21 w e go t t o kee p th e E Q

- - the y do n ' t believ e i n global

22 warmin g

. Ou r E P A doe s

, thoug h

. So

, yo u kno w

, something

23 i s happenin g i n Midlothia n righ t no w i s tha t there ' s a

24 tir e fir e

. Ou r stat e o f implementatio n pla n doesn ' t

25 accoun t fo r al l th e littl e tir e fire s an d al l th e littleCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 burp s an d explosion s an d pipeline s

. An d thi s stuf f is

2 onl y proliferatin g

. Than k yo u fo r you r tim e

.

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Zachar y

.

4 MR

. CRAF T : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e is

5 Zac h Craf t

, an d I represen t th e Texa s Oi l an d Gas

6 Associatio n o f Texom a

. I t i s a no n profi t organization

7 representin g th e interes t o f th e oi l an d ga s industr y in

8 th e Stat e o f th e Texa s

. Ou r mor e tha n 5, 00 0 members

9 produc e mor e tha n 9 0 percen t o f Texa s' s crud e oi l and

10 natura l ga s

, operat e nearl y a hundre d percen t o f the

11 state ' s r e finin g capacit y

, an d ar e responsibl e fo r the

12 vas t majorit y o f th e state ' s pipeline s

.

13 I n fisca l 201 4

, th e oi l an d ga s industry

14 employe d 41 8

, 00 0 Texan s

, providin g wage s an d salaries

15 fo r ove r $5 0 billio n i n Texa s alon e an d generating

16 capita l investment s providin g significan t secondary

17 economi c benefit s fo r Texa s

. So

, w e appreciat e the

18 opportunit y t o presen t a t thi s hearin g

, an d fo r the

19 reason s tha t follo w

, w e believ e th e EP A shoul d not

20 chang e th e ozon e nationa l ai r qualit y standard s

.

21 First

, Texa s ha s le d th e natio n i n reducing

22 ozone

. Withou t havin g th e EP A se t a standar d a s lo w as

23 th e 6 5

, 7 0

, i n rang e

- - Texa s ozon e level s fel l 24

24 percen t i n 2 01 3 whic h wa s twic e a s fas t a s th e national

25 averag e o f 1 2 percen t

. Th e suc c es s i s attributabl e toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Texa s ai r program s tha t ofte n involv e member s

. For

2 exampl e

, Texom a member s upstrea m oi l an d ga s operations

3 ar e subjec t t o stringen t requirement s t o us e best

4 managemen t standar d practice s ( inaudibl e )

. A s another

5 exampl e

, Texom a member s ( inaudibl e ) emission s trad e in

6 program s tha t hav e controlle d ozon e i n urba n areas

.

7 Thes e action s hav e cleane d th e ai r withou t EPA

8 interventio n an d ca n b e expecte d t o continu e

.

9 Considerin g th e i m pressiv e ai r quality

10 gain s Texa s ha s alread y achieve d

, Texom a doe s not

11 believ e i n lowerin g ozon e standar d wil l provid e a new

12 environmenta l healt h protectio n beyon d th e current

13 standard s

. EP A ' s proposa l i s sweepin g estimate s for

14 healt h benefit s fro m les s ozon e

, bu t th e scienc e does

15 no t suppor t thi s conclusio n

. I n fac t

, there ' s no

16 evidenc e tha t ozon e b e lo w th e curren t standar d will

17 significantl y i mprov e publi c healt h an d welfar e

.

18 EP A ' s docke t ( inaudibl e ) stud y result s that

19 d o no t matc h th e EP A ' s conclusion s

. Man y result s are

20 conflictin g o r statisticall y o r clinically

21 in significan t

, ye t E P A conclude s tha t ne w standards

22 shoul d b e se t wel l belo w th e level s i n whic h ozon e is

23 know n t o caus e har m

. E P A' s ( inaudibl e ) i s als o called

24 int o questio n b y a cas e wher e th e E P A

- - mor e o f the

25 stud y offer s a war n in g tha t E P A i s mi s interpretin g t hisCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 study

. ( Inaudibl e ) recognize s th e ozon e fo r natural

2 backgroun d an d no n

- U

. S

. source s coul d pr e ven t attainment

3 o f th e standar d pr opose d rang e

. I t ha s faile d t o fully

4 conside r th e backgroun d t o reduc e th e standar d b y not

5 weighin g th e risk s

, th e risk s o f ozon e belo w backgroun d

.

6 EP A ' s assessmen t merel y evaluate s exposures

7 an d risk s fro m al l source s includin g natura l no n

- U

. S

.

8 an d U

. S

. ( inaudibl e ) source s an d thu s fail s to

9 characteriz e th e ris k tha t coul d b e addresse d b y a

10 chang e i n NAAQ S

. Muc h o f th e ris k th e EP A identifie s is

11 no t controllabl e

. I n ligh t o f Texa s dramati c air

12 qualit y i m provement s an d lac k o f evidenc e ( inaudibl e ) in

13 productio n coul d b e beneficia l

, E P A shoul d frankly

14 evaluat e th e trad e

- off s

. E PA ' s presse d portraya l o f the

15 option s an d guideline s t o mee t th e ne w ozon e standards

16 t o secur e th e method s i f the y ' r e necessar y t o o b tai n

.

17 I f EP A change s th e standard s

, i t is

18 essentia l tha t al l flexibilit y mechanism s

, suc h as

19 permanen t grandfathe r in g i n ( inaudibl e )

. EP A ' s press

20 announcemen t include d a statemen t tha t mos t o f th e U. S

.

21 coul d attai n unde r busines s i n th e usua l scenari o

.

22 Howeve r

, close r readin g o f im pac t analysi s reveal s that

23 thi s portraya l greatl y unde r state s tha t

. Fo r exampl e

,

24 th e EP A' s ai r qualit y modelin g suggest s tha t th e wa y for

25 Texa s urba n area s t o ob tai n i s a direc t ( inaudibl e ) ofCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 control s throughou t Texa s

, Louisian a

, Arkansa s

,

2 Oklahom a

, an d part s o f Kansa s

. Man y part s o f this

3 regio n

, especiall y rura l area s

, ma y lac k viabl e options

4 t o reduc e emission s i n th e ozone

.

5 EP A ' s lis t o f contro l option s includes

6 measure s tha t woul d i m pac t Texom a member s

. Fo r exampl e

,

7 EP A ha s calle d fo r substantia l control s i n oi l an d gas

8 emission s

, engine s an d turbine s

, an d r e finer y equipmen t

.

9 Give n th e EP A' s analysi s als o show s tha t muc h o f nee d ed

10 production s migh t hav e t o com e fro m futur e technolog y or

11 legall y u n teste d measure s suc h a s th e EP A ' s proposa l on

12 powe r plan t ga s emission s

. Th e ozon e standard s populate

13 t o requir e ove r contro l o f th e oi l an d ga s industr y

.

14 Regardles s o f whethe r thos e control s have

15 an y meaningfu l environmen t benefi t

, the y wil l i n crease

16 an d cos t fo r domesti c productio n an d pr o mot e U. S

.

17 dependenc e o n foreig n source s o f oi l an d ga s

. A t the

18 sam e tim e

, U .S

. producer s ( inaudibl e ) oi l price s

. Taken

19 togethe r

, thes e d e tail s contraven e th e pictur e o f health

20 improvemen t an d eas e implementatio n i n EP A ' s press

21 packag e an d emphasiz e th e standard s

. E P A should

22 acknowledg e th e enormou s burde n an d cos t tha t com e with

23 ozon e standard s whil e als o recognizin g tha t scienc e does

24 no t sup p or t changin g th e standard s

.

25 I n conclusio n

, Texom a support s retai n ingCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e curren t NAAQ S whic h woul d hel p wit h th e environment

2 wit h a n adequat e margi n o f safet y an d furthe r changes

3 fo r a tremendou s cos t fo r gain s

. W e appreciat e the

4 opportunit y t o presen t a t thi s hearin g an d wil l submit

5 writte n comment s

. Than k yo u

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, we ' d like

7 t o invit e u p Scot t Johnso n an d Bo b Faze n

.

8 MR

. JOHNSO N : Goo d evenin g

. M y nam e is

9 Scot t Johnso n

. I ' m her e speakin g o n m y ow n b e hal f

.

10 Peopl e ar e sufferin g du e t o ai r pollutio n

, an d I 've

11 witnesse d i t

. I hav e suffere d som e a s wel l

. A s I

12 trave l aroun d ofte n a broa d eac h yea r

, I se e intense

13 pollutio n event s tha t

, whil e the y 'r e greate r her e i n the

14 U. S

. , ar e causin g tremendou s har m

, an d sometime s our

15 emission s ge t transporte d t o thei r ai r she d and

16 sometime s thei r emission s ge t transporte d t o ou r air

17 she d

.

18 S o we ' v e don e a lo t o f transportin g i n the

19 pas t i n term s o f ou r emission s goin g acros s border s

, and

20 we ' r e doin g bette r

, bu t w e stil l nee d t o d o muc h better

21 stil l i n orde r t o harmoniz e th e plane t bot h fo r air

22 qualit y

, saf e healt h

, an d th e benefi t o f th e plane t

.

23 Th e standar d need s t o b e lowere d t o 6 5 part s pe r billion

24 o r lower

. M y greates t concer n i s actuall y fo r the

25 direc t exposur e o f pollutant s tha t com e fro m th e tailCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 pip e o r com e fro m th e factor y o r com e fro m th e lawn

2 mower

, th e boa t engin e

, th e constructio n equipmen t

, or

3 othe r source s suc h a s fuelin g station s

, generator s

, et

4 ceter a

.

5 I f th e standar d i s lowe r

, I believ e it

6 shoul d b e

, an d th e scienc e back s i t u p

- - th e direct

7 exposur e comin g fro m engine s an d fuel s wil l b e lowered

8 o r lowere d ove r a tim e fram e tha t wil l im pac t favorably

9 publi c healt h

. Texa s ' growt h i s explosiv e

, an d Austi n ' s

10 growt h i s eve n mor e explosiv e wher e I liv e

. On e o f my

11 concern s i s tha t th e growt h i s havin g dramati c i m pac t on

12 affordabilit y

, an d s o peopl e i n Austi n ar e

- - an d other

13 place s ar e keepin g vehicle s longe r

, an d onc e the y' re

14 beyon d 2 4 year s ol d

, the y' r e no t checke d unde r ai r check

15

- - Texas

, the y ' r e no t checke d fo r emission s

, som e of

16 the m ar e keepin g thei r landscapin g equipmen t longe r

,

17 thei r boat s longe r

, e t ceter a

.

18 I spea k fro m experienc e becaus e i n 1 99 7

, I

19 create d an d codevelope d a progra m calle d th e Central

20 Texa s Electri c Law n Mowe r Progra m

. I t wa s th e secon d or

21 thir d suc h progra m i n th e U .S

. , an d i t wa s a progra m

- -

22 I did n ' t kno w abou t th e s e othe r program s unti l I found

23 ou t abou t som e o f the m

. An d whe n I ha d th e progra m

, we

24 highl y incentiviz e trade s

. W e ' d giv e a smal l discount

25 fo r peopl e tha t ar e ne w buyer s

, bu t a highe r discoun t orCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 highe r rebat e fo r peopl e tha t ar e tradin g i n thei r lawn

2 mower s

. An d som e o f th e one s tha t ar e trade d i n

, I 'll

3 as k peopl e

, whe n di d yo u bu y thi s ? An d the y ' l l sa y

, I

4 bough t i t bac k i n th e ' 8 0 s o r earl y '9 0 s

.

5 An d a s yo u wel l kno w

, befor e 1 99 7

, there

6 wer e no t emissio n standard s fo r wal k

- b e hin d

, ga s

- powered

7 mower s

. S o on e o f th e challenge s i s tha t th e growt h and

8 th e cos t o f livin g I thin k i s under minin g progres s in

9 thi s are a

, s o thes e standard s ar e neede d eve n mor e

.

10 Pleas e kee p tha t i n min d

. Somethin g tha t ' s ove r looked

11 b y th e communit y tha t I wor k wit h i n m y tow n i s that

12 ozon e itsel f i s a greenhous e ga s

. I t' s significan t

.

13 It s contributio n t o climat e chang e i s no t a s well

14 understoo d a s probabl y th e oxid e an d methan e

, but

15 there ' s c obenefit s i n al l thes e rule s an d effort s that

16 EP A i s engage d wit h

, an d thi s i s a n exampl e

.

17 Ther e ar e man y

, man y benefit s tha t wil l be

18 attaine d

, healt h benefit s an d benefit s t o peopl e i n the

19 lon g ter m

. S o again

, I en courag e yo u t o chang e the

20 standar d t o b e mor e protectiv e o f publi c healt h wit h the

21 margi n o f safet y

. An d finall y

, I woul d lik e tha t

- -

22 thi s opportunit y t o sa y than k yo u a s wel l fo r having

23 thi s hearin g

, an d I hop e tha t w e ca n mov e forwar d with

24 th e ne w standar d an d tha t th e la w wil l b e favorabl e for

25 u s t o implemen t i t quickl y an d effectivel y

. Than k youCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ver y muc h

.

2

3 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Bo b

.

MR

. FAZE N : Ho w ar e yo u ? Welcom e t o Texa s

.

4 Yo u folk s hav e com e a lon g wa y

, yo u ' v e bee n listenin g to

5 a lo t o f goo d discussio n al l da y

, an d I hav e submitte d a

6 statemen t kin d o f

- - I' m no t bein g reall y clea r here

7 becaus e I ' m goin g t o g o of f th e statemen t

. The

8 statemen t ha s bee n submitte d

. I t ' s there

. M y nam e is

9 Bo b Faze n

. I' m fro m Cook e Count y

, Texa s

. I t ' s u p near

10 th e Re d Rive r

. I hav e spen t th e las t fiv e year s working

11 wit h a

- - o r workin g agains t

, reall y

, a san d min e

. I t ' s

12 a frackin g san d min e an d processin g plan t tha t' s

13 attemptin g t o d o a n ai r qualit y permi t

. The y 'r e three

14 mile s fro m u s

. An d s o I learne d a lo t o f stuf f tha t I

15 did n' t kno w i n th e las t fiv e year s

.

16 I t seem s

- - al l o f thi s testimon y

, one

17 youn g lad y jus t sai d

, w e do n' t lac k th e knowledg e

. You

18 guy s hav e buil t th e knowledg e

, yo u' v e buil t th e scienc e

.

19 It ' s al l there

. Wha t w e lac k i s th e wil l

. An d s o my

20 statemen t i s abou t ho w d o w e ge t th e wil l ? Ho w d o we

21 fil l u p thi s roo m wher e peopl e ar e swarmin g an d you

22 wil l

- - th e result s ar e obviou s

. Ou r politician s

- -

23 Texas

, o f cours e

, yo u 'r e lookin g dow n th e jaw s o f the

24 lio n her e i n Texa s

. I' m surprise d yo u eve n cam e her e

.

25 Yo u 'v e go t i t

- - yo u kno w wha t ha s t o beCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 don e

, bu t yo u ca n ' t ge t th e wor d ou t

. M y poin t t o you

2 an d m y forma l statemen t i s tha t

- - jus t thin k outside

3 th e bo x

. I f yo u reall y wan t t o ge t somethin g don e

, you

4 wan t t o ge t thi s ove r wit h

, recogniz e tha t w e 'r e i n a

5 wa r wit h th e oi l companie s

. I t' s a medi a wa r

. I t i s

- -

6 it ' s thei r $ 4 millio n budge t agains t wha t yo u guy s know

7 a s scienc e

. S o le t' s d o wha t the y di d wit h th e smoking

8 campaig n

- - antismokin g campaig n

. Le t ' s pu t som e videos

9 ou t ther e

. Le t ' s d o som e socia l media

. Le t ' s overwhelm

10 th e oi l companie s wit h fact s

.

11 Yo u 'v e go t th e facts

, bu t us e i t i n a

12 pictoria l sens e

. Ge t peopl e tha t hav e ha d COP D a s a

13 resul t o f workin g fo r a n oi l compan y fo r 2 0 year s and

14 ge t the m ou t ther e o n a camer a

. Le t the m tal k

. An d I

15 thin k yo u guy s ca n reall y d o tha t

. Yo u ' d chang e the

16 whol e spectru m i f yo u d o tha t

. Th e secon d thin g I

17 pr o pos e i s tha t w e 'v e go t a lo t o f goo d folk s ou t her e

,

18 lik e eve n fro m ou r communit y

, tha t hav e gon e throug h the

19 horrendou s T CE Q proces s

. An d b y th e wa y

, TCE Q approves

20 al l application s

.

21 On e o f ou r peopl e suggeste d tha t w e ge t rid

22 o f th e T C E Q

- - reall y coul d

- - an d jus t hav e a phone

23 recordin g tha t say s

, applicatio n approve d

. Jus t approve

24 th e applicatio n

. Approv e the m al l

, an d yo u guy s know

25 tha t

. I t ' s a jok e

. An d therefor e

, wha t I ' m thinkingCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 yo u coul d d o i s tak e ou r littl e group s

, spen d a couple

2 hundre d thousan d

- - tha t ' s reall y al l w e nee d t o go

3 throug h tha t whol e proces s

- - an d figh t thes e guy s

. We

4 wer e on e o f th e fe w peopl e tha t reall y

- - the y ende d up

5 wit h tw o administrativ e la w judge s becaus e w e were

6 creatin g suc h a ( inaudibl e )

.

7 W e jus t neede d mone y an d w e neede d

- - we

8 go t a n e x per t witnes s

. W e pai d hi m a lo t

, an d h e was

9 prett y goo d

. Yo u migh t eve n kno w hi m

. W e jus t needed

10 mone y an d th e e x per t witnesse s

, an d w e nee d th e money

11 fo r th e attorney s

. I f yo u guy s woul d bac k a little

12 grou p o r littl e group s al l ove r Texa s

, yo u do n' t hav e to

13 ge t int o thi s medi a wa r wit h th e government s an d sa y

, we

14 do n ' t wan t th e EP A aroun d her e

. He ' s goin g t o be

15 dealin g wit h thousand s o f littl e peopl e jus t lik e us

16 tha t ar e sayin g

, he y

, le t' s

- - w e ca n figh t th e TC E Q

.

17 We ' v e go t th e mone y

. E P A i s goin g t o hel p u s wit h tha t

.

18 An d I thin k thi s proble m wil l tak e car e o f itsel f just

19 wit h thos e tw o factor s

.

20 Th e othe r thin g I wan t t o brin g u p i s this

21

- - thi s i s reall y interestin g

. I wa s lookin g a t your

22 websit e

. Yo u folk s sa y tha t you r secon d mos t

- - or

23 secon d highes t priorit y i s wate r fo r Americ a

. An d I

24 though t

, wel l

, yo u kno w

, w e 'r e no t talkin g abou t wate r

.

25 Obviousl y

, I

- - b y th e wa y

, I ' m i n favo r o f you r latestCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 proposa l fo r th e smo g contro l o f particulat e matte r

.

2 It ' s obviou s w e hav e t o d o tha t

. Bu t le t ' s jus t move

3 int o wate r jus t fo r a secon d

. I f I ca n ge t t o m y notes

4 her e an d figur e ou t wher e tha t wa s

.

5 Essentiall y

, thi s san d min e wa s

- - wha t got

6 ou r attentio n i s the y wer e goin g t o us e 5 million

7 gallon s o f wate r a da y accordin g t o thei r TC E Q

8 applicatio n

. 5 millio n gallon s o f wate r a da y

, guy s

.

9 An d tha t ' s comin g ou t o f th e aquife r

. I do n ' t kno w if

10 you r E P A i s concerne d wit h th e aquife r s

. I woul d hope

11 tha t the y ar e

. Tha t i s significan t

. Thes e folk s are

12 puttin g 2 4 well s i n thei r sit e

. The y' r e obviousl y going

13 t o us e 5 millio n gallon s o f wate r a da y

.

14 I f th e TCE Q

- - I mea n

, i f th e EP A is

15 intereste d i n fightin g thes e guy s

, le t ' s ge t som e media

16 ou t ther e an d le t ' s suppor t u s littl e folk s tha t are

17 tryin g t o bea t th e T C E Q an d th e Texa s governor s a t their

18 ow n gam e

. Thank s ver y muc h

.

19 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, we ' d like

20 t o invit e Sandr a Brea kfiel d an d Lind a Coo k e

, pleas e

.

21 MS

. BREAKFIEL D : M y nam e i s Sandra

22 Breakfiel d

. I liv e i n Dalla s

, Texa s

. I did n ' t come

23 ver y prepare d toda y

. I ' m a n accountan t

, an d I' ve

24 bee n

- - thi s i s a bus y tim e o f yea r fo r m e

, bu t I

25 though t thi s wa s importan t enoug h tha t I neede d t o com e

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1 An d no w tha t I hea r peopl e comin g fro m Missour i and

2 Oklahom a

, an d Ne w Mexic o

, I do n' t fee l ba d comin g from

3 Dalla s

.

4 Wha t I 'v e listene d t o toda y

- - I ' ve

5 listene d t o thes e speaker s tha t represen t industr y

, and

6 t o the m

, a robus t econom y i s mor e importan t tha n the

7 publi c ' s healt h

. An d the y giv e lot s o f statistic s about

8 th e cos t o f lowerin g th e ozon e standar d

, job s los t

,

9 income s los t

, w e hav e t o g o bac k an d star t buying

10 foreig n oi l

. Bu t yo u ca n' t breath e money

, an d yo u ca n ' t

11 pu t a pric e o n th e valu e o f clea n ai r an d goo d healt h

.

12 An d b y la w

, th e E P A canno t conside r the

13 cost s i n determinin g th e leve l tha t i s saf e fo r public

14 healt h an d welfar e

. S o pleas e lowe r th e ozon e standard

15 t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. An d I' d als o recommen d th e E P A

16 tak e ove r th e ai r permittin g an d th e r e visio n o f the

17 stat e implementatio n pla n fro m T C EQ

.

18 (Audienc e applaus e

. )

19 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Pleas e kee p you r paus e

. We

20 hav e a lon g lis t o f peopl e tha t nee d t o spea k

. So

21 pleas e

.

22 MS

. COOK E : Hi

. M y nam e i s Lind a Coo k e

. I

23 als o liv e i n Dalla s

. An d wha t sh e jus t sai d i s exactly

24 wha t I wante d t o sa y

. Th e TC E Q doe s no t protec t the

25 interes t o f citizen s i n Texas

. The y ar e b e holdin g toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 th e oi l an d ga s interes t an d othe r bi g polluter s i n this

2 state

. Tha t i s thei r primar y focu s i s t o suppor t the

3 growt h o f busines s

, no t th e healt h o f th e peopl e who

4 liv e her e

. Tha t i s primar y i n m y focu s

.

5 I als o com e fro m Cook e Count y

. I do n' t

6 kno w th e perso n wh o wa s jus t her e

, bu t I ow n mineral

7 right s abou t te n mile s a wa y fro m th e san d min e tha t he

8 wa s jus t describin g

, an d I was n' t a war e o f tha t sand

9 min e becaus e I do n ' t liv e ther e

. I onl y foun d ou t about

10 i t lat e i n th e sho w

, bu t i t wa s a sho w

. Th e peopl e who

11 liv e i n tha t are a reall y go t n o sa y int o th e development

12 o f tha t min e

, an d it ' s goin g t o mak e a bi g differenc e in

13 tha t are a

, particularl y ai r pollutio n

. No t jus t water

14 pollutio n

, bu t ai r pollutio n

.

15 It ' s u n fortunat e tha t tha t goe s o n al l over

16 th e plac e

. I mea n

, i t' s jus t everywher e yo u g o no w

.

17 Th e destructio n an d i m pac t o f frackin g oi l an d ga s in

18 thi s are a i s di s heartenin g

, an d yo u ca n fee l i t i n the

19 ai r whe n yo u breath e i n th e ai r

. Yo u ca n fee l tha t

. So

20 I appreciat e tha t th e E P A woul d com e her e an d tak e into

21 consideratio n th e comment s o f th e resident s o f Texas

22 becaus e w e ar e no t bein g protecte d b y th e stat e an d even

23 ou r loca l electe d official s i n Dalla s

. The y trie d to

24 brin g frackin g t o

- - insid e th e cit y limit s an d th e city

25 parks

. Eve n thoug h i t wa s illega l

, the y sai d

, wel l

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1 we ' l l sig n thi s contrac t

, w e' l l ge t $3 0 millio n an d then

2 we ' l l figur e ou t ho w t o d o i t late r sinc e it ' s illega l

.

3 S o tha t' s th e kin d o f thin g tha t goe s on

4 her e

, an d I wan t yo u t o b e a war e o f tha t

. Than k you

5 ver y muc h fo r you r tim e

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p is

7 Sharo n Speis s an d Ji m Moffet t

.

8 MS

. SPEIS S : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e is

9 Sharo n Speis s

, an d I ' m a residen t o f th e wonderfu l city

10 righ t her e calle d Dento n

, Texa s

. Excus e m e

. I just

11 los t m y thin g

. Jus t a secon d

. I appreciat e the

12 opportunit y t o spea k her e toda y

. I a m her e t o request

13 tha t th e EP A se t a standar d o f 6 0 pp b ozon e threshol d

.

14 I dra w fro m m y ow n persona l experienc e primaril y with

15 on e industr y t o mak e thi s reques t

. Howeve r

, min e i s not

16 a uniqu e situatio n bu t on e tha t i s lik e thousand s of

17 other s i n ou r cit y o f Dento n an d acros s thi s countr y

.

18 I hav e live d i n thi s are a fo r ove r 35

19 years

, an d I 'v e see n an d fel t th e deterioratio n o f the

20 qualit y o f th e ai r w e breath e

. I n Dento n

, w e are

21 particularl y susceptibl e t o th e worsenin g ai r qualit y

.

22 Th e ai r blowin g i n fro m th e sout h carrie s w it h i t the

23 cos t o f emission s fro m th e concret e plant s jus t sout h of

24 Dalla s

. Close r t o hom e

, howeve r

, w e hav e th e volatile

25 organi c compound s tha t ar e continuousl y leakin g fro m allCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 o f th e fracke d oi l an d ga s well s withi n ou r ow n city

2 limit s

.

3 I becam e involve d wit h th e effort s t o ban

4 frackin g i n Dento n becaus e o f severa l reaso n s

. The

5 catalys t

, howeve r

, wa s th e qualit y o f th e ai r we

6 breath e

. I wen t t o on e o f th e well s bein g drille d in

7 tow n

. T o sa y tha t th e nois e fro m th e pip e bein g pounded

8 int o th e groun d wa s ver y lou d an d continuou s i s an

9 under statemen t

. Withi n abou t 2 0 second s o f exitin g the

10 ca r

, I inhale d th e causti c deplorabl e odor s emitting

11 fro m th e dril l sit e

. I gagge d s o violentl y tha t I

12 double d ove r i n th e middl e o f th e roa d an d nearl y threw

13 up

. N o on e shoul d b e force d t o liv e nea r an d breathe

14 tha t disgustin g ai r

.

15 I the n learne d abou t th e video s tha t showed

16 th e V O C s continuousl y emittin g fro m th e well s

. The

17 Texa s Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y ha s been

18 in effectua l i n stoppin g th e oi l an d ga s companies

19 operatin g i n ou r stat e fro m allowin g thes e V O C s to

20 escap e thei r well s

. Ther e ar e thre e time s more

21 childhoo d case s o f asthm a fro m resident s livin g o n the

22 Barnet t Shal e tha n anywher e els e i n Texas

. Ther e are

23 know n cance r

- causin g chemical s tha t ar e continuously

24 emittin g int o th e ai r fro m th e frackin g proces s

. These

25 statistic s an d fact s ar e no t acceptabl e

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1 Ou r stat e governmen t wil l no t protec t u s

,

2 henc e th e ba n o n hydrauli c frackin g passe d i n Dento n

.

3 Th e E P A i s th e federa l entit y tha t i s entruste d wit h the

4 tas k o f protectin g ou r environmen t

, an d i t ' s n o easy

5 tas k

, I' m sur e

. Th e Clea n Ai r Ac t require s th e EP A to

6 se t th e nationa l ambien t qualit y standard s tha t will

7 protec t publi c healt h includin g th e healt h o f sensitive

8 population s wit h a n adequat e margi n o f safet y

. The

9 EP A ' s ow n Clea n Ai r Scientifi c Advisor y Committee

10 conclude d tha t ther e i s adequat e scientifi c evidenc e to

11 recommen d a rang e o f level s fo r a r e vise d primar y ozone

12 standar d fro m 7 0 pp b t o 6 0 pp b

.

13 I a m respectfull y requestin g tha t th e E P A

14 protec t al l o f u s b y mandatin g an d e n forcin g th e ozone

15 standar d o f 6 0 pp b

. I than k yo u fo r you r tim e

.

16 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Ji m

.

17 MR

. MOFFET T : I ' m Ji m Moffet t from

18 Lewisvill e

. I ' v e bee n i n th e Dalla s / For t Wort h area

19 sinc e 19 8 2 an d hav e gotte n

- - firs t o f al l

, I wan t to

20 mak e som e comment s befor e I ge t int o m y concerns

21 regardin g th e appreciatio n fo r th e E P A an d th e wor k that

22 yo u d o i n lot s o f areas

. I a m a climat e advocat e

, an d I

23 kno w w e hav e t o depen d upo n yo u t o brin g abou t the

24 change s t o sav e u s fro m globa l warmin g an d th e i m pact

25 tha t i t ha s o n climat e chang e

. S o kee p u p th e goodCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 wor k

.

2 Bu t I als o understan d yo u' v e go t a hard

3 tas k becaus e I thin k ther e ar e peopl e wh o believ e that

4 yo u ar e suppose d t o suppl y th e labo r departmen t and

5 provid e job s fo r everybod y instea d o f doin g th e things

6 tha t yo u d o bes t t o protec t u s fro m abus e o f the

7 environmen t

. An d the n ther e ar e other s wh o expec t you

8 t o d o th e jo b o f th e economis t departmen t an d the

9 bankin g agencie s t o mak e sur e tha t th e econom y keeps

10 rollin g a lon g

, s o do n ' t sti r an y wate r o r solv e any

11 problem s

.

12 M y concern s bega n bac k i n 1 99 8

. I had

13 joine d i n a clu b o f childre n

, th e elderl y

, an d people

14 wit h respirator y impairment s tha t suffe r i n globa l

- -

15 whe n th e ozon e concentration s excee d desire d level s

.

16 Dalla s / For t Wort h ha s ha d a particula r proble m

. Had n ' t

17 bee n i n complianc e wit h th e E P A standard s fo r nearl y a

18 decad e a t tha t tim e

, an d ther e ' s bee n littl e progress

19 tha t' s bee n mad e sinc e the n

.

20 I hav e tw o problem s

. Th e mos t importan t is

21 th e ange r I hav e becaus e thi s situatio n no w i s 1 5 years

22 beyon d tha t an d preciou s littl e ha s bee n acc o mplishe d

.

23 Par t o f i t I understan d i s becaus e o f th e resistance

24 tha t yo u ge t fro m

- - a s man y peopl e hav e already

25 ex presse d

, th e TC E Q seem s t o b e dea d wit h respec t toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 attemptin g t o liste n t o peopl e

, wha t peopl e ar e telling

2 the m

. The y see m t o hid e informatio n

, mak e i t ver y hard

3 t o ge t informatio n

, an d i t jus t contribute s t o the

4 proble m

.

5 I t appear s tha t ever y fiv e year s tha t the

6 Texa s SI P fo r ozon e get s approve d an d ca n never

, ever

7 solv e th e proble m

. The y accep t anythin g

, an d nothin g is

8 eve r don e

. I t is n ' t clea r tha t anybod y i s responsible

9 o r eve n evidenc e tha t anybod y reall y care s abou t i t

.

10 Althoug h there ' s stil l goin g

- - sufferin g and

11 in convenienc e an d expens e tha t peopl e hav e tha t were

12 a ffecte d b y th e ozon e

.

13 Secon d

, give n tha t ther e ' s stil l a proble m

,

14 there ' s difficult y i n determinin g th e statu s o f

- - I

15 hea r o n th e mornin g new s tha t it ' s a n ozon e aler t da y

,

16 bu t i t does n ' t

- - I neve r fin d ou t an y additional

17 informatio n

. An d onc e upo n a tim e

, ther e wa s a website

18 tha t I thin k wa s supporte d b y th e T C E Q tha t apparently

19 becam e i n convenien t fo r the m t o tel l u s that

20 informatio n

, bu t i t' s n o longe r availabl e

. An d i t gave

21 a prett y goo d indicatio n o f wha t th e stat e wa s

, tha t it

22 wa s r e porte d o n a realtim e basis

, an d wha t th e status

23 wa s

, an d wher e th e problem s wer e

, th e danger s an d the

24 intensit y o f i t

, an d there ' s nothin g t o supplan t tha t

.

25 An d i n additio n

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1 o n a realtim e basi s

. Ther e ' s

- - yo u ca n di g a t it

, but

2 I did n ' t wan t t o spen d m y lif e doin g tha t

.

3 I gues s onc e I finall y

- - I ' m als o an

4 advocat e fo r climat e chang e

, an d the y bot h hav e emission

5 factor s tha t ar e closel y relate d t o th e ozon e proble m

.

6 I recommen d a n alternativ e t o eliminat e th e revenue

7 neutra l carbo n ta x wit h a hundre d percen t dividen d to

8 de creas e th e nee d fo r fossi l fuel s whic h i s responsible

9 fo r a lo t o f th e problem s

, an d thi s wil l i m pac t that

10 ove r a perio d

. Th e proposa l i s b y Jame s Hanso n

, an d it

11 i s t o b e implemente d ove r a perio d o f tim e tha t doesn ' t

12 caus e i n te n year s s o tha t i t would n ' t allo w peopl e to

13 mak e adjustment s fo r tha t

.

14 S o I reall y appreciat e you r bein g her e and

15 takin g t o hear t th e need s o f th e peopl e i n thi s air

16 especiall y hav e

.

17 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. I woul d just

18 offe r t o yo u th e E P A offer s a too l calle d Ai r No w where

19 yo u ca n chec k you r ai r qualit y

. There ' s a n ap p tha t you

20 ca n dow n loa d o n th e smar tphon e an d everythin g

. S o w e do

21 hav e a too l tha t w e mak e availabl e fo r yo u

. Yo u can

22 fin d i t o n ou r websit e

. Ai r no w. go v

, I ' m tol d

.

23 Nex t u p

, Tamm y Carso n an d Bo b Fusinat o

,

24 pleas e

.

25 MS

. CARSO N : H i

. I' m Tamm y Carso n

, an d ICOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 liv e i n Arlingto n

, an d probabl y som e o f th e thing s I

2 wil l sa y yo u wil l hav e hear d befor e

. I t' s bee n a long

3 da y fo r yo u

, I ' m sur e

. I hav e n o credential s

, I have

4 ver y fe w statistic s

, bu t I di d wan t t o com e an d speak

.

5 I appreciat e th e chanc e t o speak

. I wan t t o tal k about

6 th e effect s tha t frackin g ha s o n ou r ai r qualit y

.

7 Arlingto n ha s abou t fou r pa d site s

- - four

8 well s pe r squar e mil e

, an d ther e ar e thre e pa d sites

9 nea r m y hous e

, an d whe n m y grand kid s com e t o pla y

- - I

10 hav e younge r grandchildre n

- - an d the y win d u p with

11 chroni c uppe r respirator y i nfection s an d frequen t and

12 sever e nosebleed s

. An d i t has n' t bee n to o lon g ag o in

13 thi s roo m whe n I wa s re layin g th e stor y t o Cit y council

14 t o tr y t o ge t the m t o no t approv e mor e drillin g i n our

15 cit y

. An d on e o f th e counci l member s sai d t o me

16 privatel y tha t ( inaudibl e ) i n Arlingto n ( inaudibl e )

17 nee de d t o b e addresse d

.

18 S o thi s i s a seriou s

- - it ' s a serious

19 issue

. An d we ' v e hear d a lo t o f statistic s toda y about

20 th e rat e o f asthm a

, th e numbe r o f childre n tha t win d up

21 wit h asthm a tha t' s s o muc h greate r

, bu t whe n my

22 grand kid s hav e thes e uppe r respirator y in fection s and

23 thes e seriou s nosebleed s

, the y 'r e no t statistic s

. This

24 i s m y famil y

, an d thi s i s happenin g t o m y neighbo r ' s

25 familie s

, an d w e nee d t o mak e thi s bette r

. W e do n ' tCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 nee d t o leav e thi s fo r th e futur e generation s

. These

2 ar e no t statistic s

. Thes e ar e peopl e

. Thi s i s wh y I do

3 wha t I d o

. Thi s i s wh y I' m her e

.

4 An d I a m reall y

- - I ' m als o ver y touche d

.

5 M y hear t goe s ou t t o th e oi l an d ga s industrie s an d to

6 th e citie s tha t wan t t o regulat e thei r ow n ai r

, make

7 thei r ow n rule s

. I t woul d b e reall y sa d i f

- - tha t they

8 woul d b e significantl y i m pacte d i f w e hav e a better

9 qualit y o f ai r

. Bu t on e o f m y gran d kid s an d our

10 neighbor s hav e thes e seriou s i nfection s

. The y are

11 significantl y i m pacte d

, an d tha t ' s wha t reall y count s

.

12 It ' s no t abou t th e mone y

. An d I ' m hopin g tha t yo u will

13 d o th e righ t thin g an d mak e stricte r rule s

. Mak e

- -

14 hel p u s mak e th e change s tha t ar e goin g t o kee p our

15 childre n health y

.

16 An d I kno w yo u ' v e hear d thi s befor e

, but

17 ther e ar e n o job s o n a dea d plane t

. Than k yo u for

18 listenin g t o m e

.

19 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

20 MR

. FUSINAT O : Hello

, m y nam e i s Bob

21 Fusinat o

. I liv e i n Richardso n

, Texas

. Ho w lo w ca n you

22 go ? Tha t ' s th e questio n w e 'r e her e t o answe r

. An d I ' m

23 no t a scientis t

, s o I ca n' t tel l yo u fo r sur e

, bu t your

24 ex pert s d o tel l u s tha t th e standard s ar e no t lo w enough

25 a s the y ar e

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1 tel l yo u

, th e lowe r

, th e bette r

.

2 W e kno w tha t thi s regio n i s on e o f the

3 fastes t growin g i n th e natio n

. A s mor e peopl e mov e into

4 th e are a

, ther e ar e mor e an d mor e source s o f pollution

5 an d mor e peopl e wh o wil l likel y suffe r fro m the

6 consequence s

. O n a r e cen t tri p dow n I

- 3 5 t o Austi n

, I

7 coul d se e ho w muc h ha s change d sinc e w e hav e bee n making

8 tha t tri p sinc e th e earl y 1 98 0 s

. I though t t o myself

9 ho w muc h Texa s i s turnin g int o industria l waste lan d

.

10 Wel l

, som e thing s suc h a s car s an d trucks

11 seem s t o b e pollutin g les s

. Other s suc h a s industrial

12 plant s an d constructio n equipmen t see m t o b e polluting

13 mor e

. An d certainl y

, ther e ar e mor e o f the m

. W e know

14 tha t w e' l l b e growin g furthe r i n th e comin g decade s

, but

15 withou t a stron g standar d

, tha t growt h wil l lea d to

16 greate r har m i n publi c healt h an d safet y an d t o the

17 environmen t tha n necessar y

. W e hav e choice s i n ho w we

18 provid e th e need s o f th e futur e

, an d w e kno w

, for

19 instanc e

, tha t win d an d solar

, alon g wit h other

20 ( inaudibl e ) ca n provid e a cleane r futur e tha n building

21 mo r e coa l

- fir e d powe r plant s

.

22 It ' s muc h easie r whe n designin g t o a

23 cleane r futur e standar d fo r a cleane r standar d t o d o it

24 fro m scratc h rathe r tha n hav e t o g o bac k an d retro fit

25 later

. S o I urg e yo u t o procee d withou t dela y wher e theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 standar d i s lo w

- - i n th e lo w 60 s s o tha t w e wil l be

2 buildin g toward s a cleane r futur e no w an d no t havin g to

3 continuall y catc h u p i n th e futur e

. Than k yo u very

4 muc h

.

5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. A t thi s poin t

, I

6 thin k we ' l l g o tak e anothe r te n

- minut e brea k and

7 re conven e abou t 5 : 3 5 o r so

.

8 (Brea k take n fro m 5:2 7 p.m

. t o 5:4 1 p.m

. )

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Oka y

. Welcom e bac k agai n

.

10 Than k yo u fo r th e break

. An d nex t u p

, we ' d lik e to

11 invit e Elizabet h Hendle r an d Terr y Burn s t o spea k

.

12 MS

. HENDLE R : Goo d afternoo n

- - mayb e good

13 evenin g

. M y nam e i s Elizabet h Hendle r

. I ' m th e project

14 manage r fo r th e 8

- H ou r Ozon e SI P Coalitio n

, an d our

15 coalitio n i s co m prise d o f member s fro m th e energy

16 industrie s wit h th e commo n interest s o f achievin g the

17 goal s o f clea n ai r an d a stron g econom y fo r Texa s

. Our

18 re finin g

, petrochemica l

, an d electri c generatio n members

19 hav e bee n stron g supporter s o f clea n ai r i m provement s

.

20 Ou r companie s hav e

, b y themselve s

, i n veste d over

21 $ 2 billio n i n stat e

- o f

- th e

- ar t emission s contro l s since

2 2 20 0 1

.

23 Th e coalitio n believe s th e EP A should

24 retai n th e curren t primar y ozon e standar d

. W e' l l be

25 submittin g d e taile d writte n comment s o n thi s

. Toda y

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1 I' d lik e t o focu s o n th e inconsistencie s betwee n E P A' s

2 publi c presentation s o n th e natur e o f th e control

3 strategie s tha t woul d b e require d t o reac h attainment

4 versu s th e analysi s provide d i n th e regulator y impact

5 analysi s

. Thes e i n consistencie s ar e dramati c

. We

6 believ e th e approac h i s in consisten t wit h the

7 Administrativ e Procedure s Ac t whic h require s EP A to

8 fairl y di sclos e t o th e publi c wha t th e agenc y is

9 pr o posin g

.

10 EP A ha s provide d a presentatio n t o the

11 publi c outlinin g ke y aspect s o f th e proposa l including

12 implementatio n informatio n

. I n thi s documen t

, E P A

13 provide s a ma p showin g tha t

, base d o n curren t dat a

, 3 5 8

14 countie s woul d violat e a propose d standar d o f 7 0 pp b

,

15 an d a tota l o f 55 8 countie s woul d violat e a proposed

16 standar d o f 6 5 pp b

.

17 EP A the n present s a ma p entitle d EP A

18 Project s Mos t Countie s Woul d Mee t th e Pr o pose d Rang e of

19 Standard s i n 2 0 2 5 whic h show s tha t onl y nin e counties

20 outsid e o f Californi a woul d continu e t o violat e a

21 standar d se t a t 7 0 pp b

, an d onl y 6 8 woul d violat e a

22 standar d o f 6 5 pp b

. Thi s serie s o f slide s lead s the

23 reade r t o believ e tha t

, a s a resul t o f federa l control

24 strategie s

, EP A ha s establishe d a federall y

- drive n glide

25 pat h t o mee t th e ne w standard s

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1 EP A ' s languag e implie s tha t

, i n mos t area s

,

2 stat e an d loca l government s

, smal l busines s an d industry

3 an d individua l citizen s wil l no t b e calle d upo n t o make

4 draconia n emissio n reduction s t o reac h attainmen t o f the

5 ne w standar d

. Un fortunatel y

, a d e taile d analysi s o f the

6 regulator y i m pac t analysi s show s tha t thi s plain

7 languag e interpretatio n o f EP A ' s presentatio n materials

8 wil l b e mi s take n

.

9 A s th e R I A reveal s

, man y state s tha t ar e in

10 attainmen t o f th e standar d wil l b e subjec t t o new

11 control s t o hel p othe r state s tha t ar e no t

, th e amount

12 o f ne w emissio n s reduction s neede d fa r exceed s th e EP A ' s

13 glid e pat h assumption s

, an d a significan t percentag e of

14 ne w reduction s neede d com e fro m currentl y un known

15 control s

.

16 Fo r exampl e

, i n additio n t o ne w control s in

17 th e Housto n an d Dalla s / For t Wort h no n attainmen t are as

,

18 EP A ' s estimate s revea l tha t substantia l ne w NO x control

19 strategie s wil l b e neede d acros s th e entir e state s of

20 Texas

, Louisian a

, Arkansa s

, Oklahom a

, an d part s of

21 Kansa s t o reac h 7 0 pp b b y 2 02 5

. I n fac t

, i n orde r to

22 achiev e attainmen t o f a 7 0 pp b standar d i n th e small

23 numbe r o f countie s tha t EP A predict s wil l no t attai n by

24 20 2 5

, EP A estimate s tha t ne w contro l measure s wil l be

25 neede d i n 47 9 additiona l countie s

. An d t o achiev e a 64COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 pp b standar d

, al l bu t 1 4 state s woul d nee d t o implement

2 wid e rangin g an d eve n mor e stric t ne w r u le s t o brin g the

3 remainin g no n attainmen t area s int o complianc e

.

4 I n additio n

, E P A' s summar y presentation

5 doe s no t conve y t o th e publi c tha t thei r projections

6 includ e a sizabl e portio n o f NO x emissio n reductio n s

7 tha t ar e beyon d know n contro l

. I n th e easter n hal f of

8 th e countr y

, th e percentag e o f unknow n NO x reductions

9 rise s fro m 2 3 t o 6 6 percen t a s th e standar d level

10 de crease s fro m 7 0 pp b t o 6 0 pp b

. Bu t th e Clea n Ai r Act

11 doe s no t giv e state s additiona l tim e t o allo w technology

12 t o develo p

. Onl y area s wit h th e wors t ai r qualit y like

13 Californi a ge t th e tak e thi s int o consideratio n i n their

14 clea n ai r plan s

. Al l othe r state s mus t submi t plans

15 tha t someho w contai n contro l strategie s tha t th e E P A

16 canno t ye t d e fin e

.

17 Finall y

, EP A ' s glid e pat h approac h to

18 attainmen t ignore s th e timin g issue s associate d with

19 implementatio n o f a ne w standar d

. I n mos t o f the

20 natio n

, area s wil l b e classifie d a s marginal

21 nonattainmen t an d b e require d t o attai n th e standar d by

22 202 0

. Tha t ' s fiv e year s befor e E P A estimate s tha t most

23 o f the m ca n

. Man y o f thes e area s wil l fai l t o attain

24 an d b e bumpe d u p t o a moderat e nonattainment

25 classificatio n

. The y 'l l the n b e require d t o performCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 co s tl y photochemica l modelin g an d submi t a ne w clea n air

2 pla n tha t include s ne w control s tha t wil l demonstrate

3 ho w the y ' l l reac h attainmen t b y 2 02 3

, stil l tw o years

4 shor t o f EP A ' s 20 2 5 futur e yea r dat e

.

5 I n othe r words

, o n th e wa y t o th e 2 0 25

6 estimate d attainmen t dat e

, man y area s wil l complet e two

7 round s o f expensiv e an d tim e consumin g regulatory

8 processe s t o achiev e th e sam e goa l

. Fo r thes e reason s

,

9 w e believ e tha t E P A ha s faile d t o provid e adequat e and

10 accurat e informatio n t o th e publi c abou t th e tru e nature

11 o f th e contro l strategie s tha t wil l b e require d to

12 achiev e attainmen t b y 2 0 25

. Withou t thi s informatio n

,

13 partie s canno t reasonabl y asses s whethe r the y 'l l be

14 affecte d b y th e ne w standar d an d thu s cannot

15 meaningfull y commen t o n thi s proposa l

. Than k yo u for

16 th e opportunit y t o spea k toda y

.

17 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Terry

.

18 MR

. BURN S : Goo d afternoo n

. M y nam e is

19 Terr y Burns

. I com e her e fro m Sa n Antoni o

. I speak

20 bot h a s th e co chai r o f th e Alm a Grou p a t th e Sierr a Club

21 an d a s a physicia n

, a membe r o f th e Texa s Medical

22 Associatio n

, pathologis t

, wit h a lon g interes t in

23 pulmonar y diseas e an d publication s i n environmenta l lung

24 diseas e

.

25 I strongl y suppor t ne w E P A ozon e standardsCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 an d I recommen d 6 0 pp b fo r implementatio n

. I believe

2 th e histor y o f th e Clea n Ai r Ac t i s know n t o you

3 certainl y

, an d w e ar e dealin g wit h grandfatherin g issues

4 tha t dat e bac k decade s i n som e case s

. It ' s bee n almost

5 3 0 year s sinc e th e ne w sourc e revie w grandfathere d a

6 numbe r o f powe r plant s

, an d w e stil l suffe r the

7 consequence s fro m thi s mi s tak e o f legislatio n becaus e it

8 wa s fel t a t th e tim e tha t newe r technologie s o r removal

9 o f thos e plant s woul d occu r i n reasonabl y shor t order

.

10 Thes e companie s ar e stil l resistin g best

11 availabl e retr o fi t technolog y eve n toda y

, an d I would

12 thin k tha t

, ove r thi s perio d o f tim e

, the y woul d have

13 bee n abl e t o fin d th e budgetar y mean s t o pa y fo r these

14 technologie s

. I n healt h car e

, w e d o no t continu e t o use

15 30

-

, 4 0

- yea r

- ol d technolog y becaus e newe r technolog y is

16 to o expensiv e

. W e mak e progres s becaus e i t' s th e best

17 thin g t o d o fo r patient s

, an d th e cos t i s a secondary

18 matte r

- - a n importan t on e admittedl y

- - bu t a secondary

19 matte r

. Primar y i s patien t healt h

. An d I r e min d you

20 tha t th e Clea n Ai r Ac t i n th e situatio n yo u' r e dealing

21 wit h her e put s healt h primar y

.

22 Thes e cos t issue s tha t yo u ' v e hear d a lot

23 abou t ar e reall y irrelevan t i n term s o f wher e yo u set

24 th e standar d

. Th e i m pac t analysi s i s o f interes t and

25 certainl y anothe r te n year s ar e bein g give n i n thisCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 proces s

, s o we ' l l b e ou t almos t 5 0 year s

. I thin k that

2 shoul d b e enoug h

. A s yo u kno w

, ou r Texa s Commissio n on

3 Environmenta l Qualit y

, a s i t' s calle d

, oppose s your

4 pr o pose d lowe r standard s a s u n scientifi c without

5 significan t healt h benefi t an d to o costl y

. Amon g the

6 statement s tha t D r

. Honeycut t

- - ther e i s the

7 implicatio n tha t raisin g ozon e standard s wil l lower

8 asthm a rate s

. Som e o f u s questio n hi s scientific

9 interpretation s

.

10 Yo u 'v e hear d a lo t abou t th e epidemiolog y

,

11 an d D r

. Honeycut t give s a n exampl e o f associatio n saying

12 tha t mortalit y i n hospita l patient s goe s u p i n

- - during

13 winte r holiday s

, s o I d o no t thin k w e wan t t o eliminate

14 winte r holiday s i n orde r t o reduc e hospita l mortalit y

.

15 Ther e i s somethin g t o b e sai d abou t causatio n

. A s a

16 pathologis t

, I kno w a lo t abou t causatio n i n medicine

17 an d ozon e pathologica l effect s o n th e bod y

. An d yo u' ve

18 hear d abou t thes e thing s befor e

, bu t clearl y

, it

19 irritate s th e bronchia l ( inaudibl e ) spas m an d i n creases

20 secretion s

, reduce s immunit y

, enhance s susceptibilit y to

21 in fectio n

.

22 Hig h ozon e level s worse n ( inaudibl e )

23 emphysem a an d ar e associate d wit h al l o f th e healt h care

24 cos t tha t yo u hear d abou t earlie r

. I t als o is

25 associate d wit h i n crease d cardiovascula r diseas e

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1 includin g hear t attac k an d sudde n deat h

. Ozone

2 particulate s an d othe r factor s

, cofactor s tha t i m pact

3 negativ e l y i n th e cardiovascula r syste m

. Som e o f us

4 do n ' t hav e a s stron g a n effec t a s other s unde r these

5 matter s becaus e w e 'r e relativel y immun e

, s o t o spea k

.

6 Othe r peopl e hav e great e r individua l susceptibilit y from

7 thei r ow n healt h characteristic s

.

8 You r scientifi c dat a ar e ver y robus t and

9 stron g

, an d I strongl y urg e yo u t o follo w th e dat a and

10 implemen t a standar d o f 6 0 o r a t mos t 6 5

. I urg e yo u in

11 a secondar y standar d t o protec t th e agricultur e and

12 rura l area s wit h th e eight

- hou r secondar y standar d that

13 I woul d als o recommen d b e i n th e 6 0 t o 6 5 part s per

14 billio n rang e

. I woul d als o poin t ou t tha t other

15 countrie s aroun d th e worl d hav e standard s be lo w 7 0 a s we

16 speak

. Canad a i s implementin g a 6 3 part s pe r billion

17 standar d

. Ther e' s reall y n o reaso n wh y thi s advanced

18 industria l natio n canno t achiev e th e sam e standard s that

19 othe r advance d industria l nation s ar e achievin g

.

20 I urg e yo u t o mov e forwar d an d than k you

21 fo r al l you r goo d wor k i n protectin g th i s countr y ' s

22 peopl e an d ou r healt h

. Than k yo u

.

23 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, we

24 woul d invit e Joh n Ma c Farlan e an d Mahd i Ahmad i

.

25 MR

. MACFARLAN E : H i

. M y nam e i s JohnCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 MacFarlan e

. I liv e i n For t Wort h

, Texa s

. Firs t and

2 foremos t

, I a m a fathe r o f tw o youn g childre n

, an d I am

3 als o th e conservatio n chai r fo r th e Greate r For t Worth

4 Sierr a Clu b

.

5 S o firs t an d foremos t

, I car e abou t the

6 healt h an d m y tw o

- yea r

- ol d daughte r

, m y si x

- yea r

- ol d son

7 an d recommen d tha t yo u lowe r th e ozon e stand ar d t o 6 0

8 part s pe r billio n t o protec t thei r healt h an d the

9 ove r al l publi c healt h o f th e populatio n o f th e United

10 State s

. I' l l jus t g o throug h som e bullet s tha t I hav e

,

11 an d the n I' l l mov e o n t o anothe r story

.

12 W e al l kno w tha t lowerin g th e ozone

13 standar d would

, yo u kno w

, protec t th e genera l public

14 healt h o f th e U .S

. Man y studie s hav e prove n

- - EP A ' s

15 include d

- - tha t i t wil l lowe r asthm a rate s an d the

16 rate s o f lun g diseas e

. I t wil l sav e million s i f not

17 billion s o f dollar s i n healt h car e cos t

, fewe r emergency

18 roo m visit s

, an d ove r al l benefit s i n healt h

. O f course

19 it ' l l mak e breathin g easie r i n th e Metrople x an d other

20 no n attainmen t area s

. I t wil l caus e

- - hopefull y i t will

21 caus e Texa s t o mak e meaningfu l change s t o th e air

22 qualit y pla n

. An d i t woul d potentiall y dra w more

23 companie s t o corporat e

- - o r t o Texa s tha t car e about

24 th e clea n environmen t an d clea n ai r

.

25 Oka y

. No w I 'l l mov e o n t o th e

- - ourCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 lovel y T C EQ

. A s yo u al l kno w

, bac k i n 20 1 0

, o r about

2 tha t tim e

, E P A ha d t o tak e ove r o r assum e issuin g Texas

3 PS D permit s fo r greenhous e gase s becaus e T CE Q disagreed

4 wit h th e EP A ' s progra m t o regulat e greenhous e gase s and

5 it s u n willingnes s t o compl y wit h thos e regulation s

. So

6 bein g th e goo d steward s tha t yo u ar e

, yo u too k ove r that

7 progra m

, an d u p unti l lat e las t yea r

, yo u gav e i t back

8 becaus e the y sai d the y' d b e willin g t o tak e tha t over

9 an d r e vis e thei r permittin g standard s

.

10 S o no w I ' m goin g t o recommen d tha t E P A take

11 ove r th e entir e ai r progra m fo r T CE Q becaus e the y have

12 no t prove d tha t the y ' r e seriou s abou t cleanin g u p ai r

- -

13 th e pol l ute d ai r i n Texa s i n th e Metrople x an d other

14 no n attainmen t area s suc h a s th e Housto n

, Galvesto n

,

15 ( inaudibl e ) are a

. The y hav e consistentl y chose n big

16 busines s ove r clea n ai r an d ar e no t seriou s about

17 cleanin g u p Texa s ai r pollutio n

.

18 S o thei r

- - TC E Q i s currentl y re v i sing

19 thei r SI P

, ou r SI P

, an d the y hav e no t don e enoug h

, if

20 no t

- - the y hav e no t don e anythin g t o i mprov e tha t SIP

21 t o clea n u p ai r standard s o r ai r qualit y an d mee t the

22 existin g standard s

. The y coul d d o simpl e thing s like

23 requirin g al l larg e stationar y source s t o hav e S C R like

24 t o submi t plant s i n Midlothia n an d th e coa l fir e power

25 plant s i n th e eas t

- - Eas t Texas

. The y coul d bu t theyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 choos e no t t o regulat e oi l an d ga s industr y b y requiring

2 gree n completion s o n al l ga s well s an d compressor

3 station s an d electrifyin g engine s

.

4 S o I woul d urg e

, firs t an d foremos t

, that

5 EP A rejec t Texa s

- - r e vis e SI P unti l the y make

6 meaningfu l change s

, an d I als o recommen d a s a parent

7 tha t yo u lowe r th e standar d ozon e criteri a t o 6 0 parts

8 pe r billio n

. Than k yo u

.

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

10 MR

. AHMAD I : Hell o

. Than k yo u ver y much

11 fo r givin g m e a n opportunit y t o testif y

. M y nam e is

12 Mahd i Ahmad i

, an d I liv e i n Dento n

, Texas

. I ' m a

13 graduat e studen t a t th e Universit y o f Nort h Texa s and

14 studyin g bot h mechanica l engineerin g an d philosophy

15 focusin g o n ai r pollutio n modelin g an d environmental

16 polic y an d justic e

.

17 S o whe n I move d t o th e Unite d State s around

18 fou r year s ag o

, beside s som e persona l reason s

, I ha d few

19 dream s i n min d t o satisf y

. Firs t

, I wante d t o practice

20 an d e n jo y freedo m o f speec h

. Secon d

, I wante d t o travel

21 aroun d an d se e th e spectacula r natur e o f Nort h Americ a

.

22 An d thir d

, I reall y wante d t o liv e i n a health y an d safe

23 environmen t

. No w afte r fou r year s o f livin g i n on e of

24 th e mos t pollute d Metroplexe s i n th e Unite d State s

, I

25 shoul d sa y tha t I ' m disappointe d

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1 Le t m e tel l yo u somethin g els e

, tha t I

2 stil l believ e tha t th e phras e " I hav e a drea m " never

3 get s ol d unles s yo u di e i n you r earl y 3 0 s fro m heart

4 failur e o r asthm a attack s cause d b y ai r pollutio n

. As

5 fa r a s pr e matur e deat h i s no t o n m y wis h lis t

, I ' m here

6 toda y t o stan d be hin d E P A an d suppor t the m fo r thei r new

7 proposa l fo r ozon e pollutio n

.

8 No w

, instea d o f referrin g t o hundred s of

9 scientifi c studie s provin g th e lin k withi n th e exposure

10 an d seriou s healt h proble m s

, I ' d lik e t o respon d t o some

11 criticism s agains t E P A ne w proposa l

. Firs t

, it ' s been

12 mentione d tha t mos t o f th e scientifi c researc h that

13 sho w s th e associatio n betwee n ozon e an d asthm a ar e not

14 independen t becaus e E P A itsel f ha d sponsore d the m

. So

15 firs t o f al l

, give n tha t i s tru e

, w e shoul d al l be

16 gratefu l t o th e E P A fo r spendin g mone y o n wha t is

17 necessar y t o b e don e rathe r tha n denyin g th e air

18 pollutio n proble m

.

19 Secon d

, wit h mor e tha n te n year s of

20 scientifi c experienc e

, I ' m tellin g yo u tha t independent

21 th e stud y

, th e industr y i s talkin g abou t

- - i s a myth

22 becaus e scienc e doe s no t happe n i n th e vacuu m

. There

23 ar e alway s assumption s an d ( inaudibl e ) preference s at

24 th e cor e o f scientifi c researc h

. Tha t i s no t a threat

25 t o scientifi c objectivit y o r integrit y

. Tha t isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 actuall y a ver y natura l par t o f scienc e

, an d i t doesn ' t

2 mea n i n an y wa y tha t scientist s woul d manipulat e the

3 resul t s t o mak e u p th e conclusion s the y wante d

.

4 S o instea d o f accusin g thousand s of

5 scientist s an d th e EP A ( inaudibl e )

, is n ' t i t bette r to

6 tr y t o understan d th e dynamic s o f scienc e

, t o b e abl e to

7 se e th e trut h fro m a mora l perspectiv e

. Secon d

, i t ' s

8 bee n sai d tha t ai r qualit y i s im provin g without

9 regulator y chang e an d th e ( inaudibl e ) i s no t necessar y

.

10 Tha t i s no t tru e

. Ozon e formatio n i s a complex

11 phenomeno n tha t d e pend s heavil y o n th e factor s

, and

12 actuall y

, r e cen t studie s a t th e Universit y o f North

13 Texa s sho w tha t a t leas t i n D F W are a afte r 2 0 10

14 ( inaudibl e ) adjuste d ozone s o r manmad e ozon e has

15 in crease d

.

16 Bu t assumin g th e diagra m i s tru e and

17 manmad e ozon e pollutio n i s actuall y de creasin g

, w e have

18 t o as k whethe r o r no t i s i t d e creasin g fas t enough

19 becaus e yo u kno w opportunit y

- - w e ar e no t goin g t o live

20 fo r a hundre d year s t o se e th e merc y o f th e industr y

.

21 Finall y

, th e critic s ar e sayin g tha t no w tha t the

22 econom y i s r ecoverin g

, i t i s no t th e righ t tim e to

23 en forc e titl e regulation s

. Th e questio n i s

, whe n d o you

24 thin k i s th e righ t tim e t o d o tha t ? W e ar e suffering

25 fro m ai r pollutio n righ t no w s o tha t w e canno t reallyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 appreciat e th e benefit s o f th e econom y growt h tha t they

2 ar e talkin g about

.

3 There ' s alway s u p an d dow n i n th e economy

4 an d industr y wil l alway s fin d a n excus e t o postpon e what

5 i s necessar y

. S o finall y

, i f anyon e think s i t i s not

6 th e righ t tim e

, I simpl y refe r the m t o thi s grap h that

7 show s ho w muc h th e Unite d State s i s be hin d a s a nation

8 i n protectin g th e right s o f thei r citizen s

. Thi s graph

9 basicall y show s tha t th e Unite d State s ha s divorced

10 ozon e ( inaudibl e ) tha t i s onl y comparabl e t o industrial

11 ( inaudibl e ) i n China

.

12 S o d o yo u thin k tha t al l thes e countries

13 ar e

- - th e econom y recover y an d do n ' t hav e anythin g else

14 t o spen d thei r mone y on

, o r simpl y the y car e mor e about

15 thei r citizen s an d the y hav e th e wil l t o protec t the m ?

16 S o i f th e Unite d State s want s t o b e on e o f th e greatest

17 countrie s i n th e worl d

, i t mus t als o b e a plac e where

18 peopl e ca n breath e

, an d tha t i s wh y w e shoul d al l either

19 mov e t o anothe r countr y wit h a bette r ai r qualit y

, maybe

20 on e o f th e ( inaudibl e ) countrie s

, o r sta y her e an d stand

21 u p an d suppor t EP A fo r thei r ne w an d absolutely

22 necessar y proposa l

. Than k yo u

.

23 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, pleas e

,

24 i s An n e Morto n an d Elizabet h Riebschlaege r

. I would

25 als o not e

, w e' r e runnin g a fe w minute s be hin d an d weCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 hav e a numbe r o f peopl e tha t wan t t o spea k

, bu t w e will

2 sta y her e s o tha t everyon e ca n ge t hear d

, s o

- -

3 MS

. MORTO N : H i

. Ye s

, m y nam e i s An n e

4 Morto n

. I' m fro m Dalla s

, an d I a m wit h th e Sierr a Club

5 her e toda y

, an d I wan t t o tal k t o yo u an d urg e yo u to

6 pleas e i n creas e th e r e strictiv e standard s t o 6 0 parts

7 pe r billio n

.

8 I a m on e o f thos e asthmatic s tha t yo u' ve

9 bee n hearin g abou t al l da y

. I 'v e ha d asthm a fo r many

10 years

, an d i t i s gettin g wors e

. I thin k tha t the

11 asthmatic s tha t yo u' v e hear d abou t

, we ' r e th e canaries

12 i n th e min e field

, an d thi s littl e canar y i s getting

13 reall y tire d o f usin g thi s al l th e tim e

. Thi s i s an

14 inhale r

, an d thi s i s mean t t o ope n u p th e spasm s i n our

15 bronchia l tub e tha t th e ai r

- - th e ba d ai r cause s

. No w

,

16 wha t happen s whe n thi s thin g quit s workin g

, an d there

17 ar e a lo t o f u s ou t ther e

, an d ther e ar e a lo t o f people

18 wit h othe r relate d respirator y disease s

.

19 S o th e ai r qualit y ver y muc h i s ver y

, very

20 persona l

. An d m y poin t toda y i s tha t

, a s a n individua l

,

21 I ca n onl y d o s o muc h abou t th e ai r

. Ver y littl e

. I

22 ca n d o som e thing s

. I ca n driv e a certai n kin d o f car

23 an d othe r thing s

, bu t yo u

, yo u ca n

. Yo u hav e certain

24 power s i n governmen t tha t I do n' t hav e

. You r mandat e

,

25 yo u wer e create d fo r th e purpos e o f protectin g humanCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 healt h an d th e environmen t

. Ther e' s nothin g i n your

2 mandat e abou t job s

, th e econom y

, an y o f thos e thing s

.

3 Thos e thing s ar e importan t

, w e al l agre e

, bu t ther e are

4 othe r agencie s o f governmen t tha t ar e mean t t o tak e care

5 o f thos e constituent s an d thos e problem s

. You r jo b is

6 th e environmen t

, th e ai r tha t w e breath e

, ou r healt h

,

7 an d safet y

.

8 W e do n ' t hav e anybod y els e

. W e depen d on

9 yo u

. Wh o i s ou r advocat e i f yo u ' r e no t ? Yo u 'r e peopl e

,

10 to o

, an d yo u hav e familie s jus t lik e w e d o

. I have

11 childre n an d grandchildre n i n th e are a

, an d I worry

12 abou t thei r healt h a s wel l a s min e

. S o I implor e you

13 toda y t o pleas e r e stric t th e ozon e an d hav e i t a t 6 0

14 part s pe r billio n

. Than k yo u s o muc h

.

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

16 SISTE R RIEBSCHLAEGE R : Goo d evenin g

. Thank

17 yo u fo r thi s opportunit y

. I' m goin g t o shorte n my

18 statemen t sinc e w e 'r e runnin g shor t o f tim e

, a t least

19 th e officia l statemen t

.

20 M y nam e i s Siste r Elizabet h Riebschlaege r

.

21 I' m a Siste r o f Cha r it y o f th e Incarnat e Wor d wit h the

22 administrativ e office s a t 4 50 3 Broadwa y i n Sa n Antoni o

,

23 Texas

. Sinc e 186 9

, w e hav e operate d an d sponsored

24 ( inaudibl e ) essential s an d hospital s i n Sa n Antonio

25 metropolita n are a administerin g healt h car e t o childrenCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 an d adult s

. Afte r 14 6 year s o f experienc e i n health

2 car e

, w e ar e her e toda y t o affir m tha t commitmen t

. A s a

3 congregatio n

, w e ar e particularl y concerne d fo r the

4 curren t seriou s deterioratio n i n ai r qualit y i n San

5 Antoni o an d othe r citie s i n Texa s

.

6 I n genera l

, w e hav e grav e concern s fo r the

7 peopl e livin g an d workin g i n th e Sa n Antoni o are a

,

8 especiall y fo r childre n an d student s i n educational

9 institution s ther e

, includin g ou r ow n sponsored

10 Universit y o f Incarnat e Wor d

. W e ar e thankfu l fo r the

11 highe r standard s bein g pr o pose d b y th e Environmental

12 Protectio n Agenc y

, a s writte n

. Specificall y

, w e fully

13 suppor t th e phras e an d th e statemen t i n you r statemen t

,

14 " accordin g t o th e Clea n Ai r Ac t

, th e E P A mus t us e health

15 base d criteri a i n settin g standard s an d no t consider

16 estimate s o f complianc e cos t. "

17 W e believ e wit h th e previou s docto r that

18 huma n lif e an d healt h condition s mus t alway s re mai n the

19 primar y valu e i n al l governmenta l policie s an d decision

20 makin g

. W e als o believ e tha t futur e experienc e of

21 im prove d ai r qualit y woul d demonstrat e tha t th e ove r all

22 im pac t t o th e nationa l econom y wil l b e im prove d whe n any

23 adde d cos t t o industr y o r i m prove d technolog y wil l be

24 offse t an d balance d b y d e crease d cos t o f medica l car e to

25 childre n an d familie s t o medica l car e facilitie s an d toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 employer s b y reduce d absenteeis m amon g thei r worker s

.

2 W e als o appreciat e th e effort s o f th e E P A

3 i n evaluatin g cos t

, quot e

, t o includ e effect s o n soil s

,

4 water

, crop s

, vegetatio n

, manmad e material s

, animal s

,

5 wildlif e

, weathe r

, visibilit y an d climat e

, damag e t o and

6 deterioratio n o f propert y

, an d hazard s t o transportation

7 a s wel l a s effect s o n economi c value s an d o n personal

8 comfor t an d wel l be i n g

. Suc h destructiv e im pact s o f air

9 pollutio n ar e rightl y considere d whe n assessin g th e cost

10 o f businesse s a s a counte r balanc e t o industr y ' s concerns

11 abou t cleane r ai r cos t t o thei r busines s

. Suc h cos t to

12 pr e existin g businesse s fro m industr y ' s pollutant s are

13 ofte n ove r looke d an d discounte d

.

14 W e than k th e Environmenta l Protection

15 Agenc y fo r thei r wor k o n b e hal f o f cleane r ai r and

16 improve d healt h condition s

. W e full y suppor t th e 6 0

17 part s pe r billio n standar d fo r contro l o f industrial

18 pollutant s i n ou r citie s

, town s

, an d rura l area s

. That

19 finishe s m y officiall y approve d statemen t o n be hal f of

20 ou r congregatio n

.

21 No w

, i f I ca n mak e a fe w persona l comment s

,

22 pleas e

, wit h th e remainin g tim e

. W e hav e hear d th e same

23 comment s fro m industr y wit h ever y singl e ne w in creased

24 standar d

. M y mothe r use d t o sa y

, wha t yo u 'r e doing

25 speak s s o loudl y

, I ca n n o longe r hea r wha t yo u ' reCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 sayin g

. W e kno w i t' s costl y

. W e hav e hear d tonight

2 testimon y fro m industr y representative s tha t the y know

3 ho w t o d o thi s bette r

, tha t the y

- - wha t yo u ' re

4 pr o posin g i s no t goin g t o b e a s effectiv e a s wha t they

5 coul d do

. I repea t

, a s m y mothe r use d t o sa y

, wha t you

6 hav e bee n doin g fo r th e las t 1 0 o r 2 0 year s speak s so

7 loudl y tha t w e ca n n o longe r hea r wha t yo u 'r e sayin g

.

8 A s fa r a s th e TCE Q

, I woul d lik e t o point

9 ou t tha t w e hav e ou r ow n histor y o f tha t experienc e in

10 th e Sa n Antoni o are a

. I n 2 01 0

, I attende d th e Eagle

11 For d Shal e hel d i n Sa n Antoni o

. I thin k i t wa s the

12 firs t on e

. Pete r ( inaudibl e ) wh o wa s th e air

13 enforcemen t officia l fro m ACO G th e ( inaudibl e ) area

14 counci l gav e a PowerPoin t presentatio n a t tha t meeting

15 t o industr y official s

, t o count y official s

, to

16 legislator s wh o wer e presen t

, eve n t o congressme n who

17 chos e t o com e t o thi s gatherin g

.

18 I n tha t presentatio n

, Pete r gentl y showed

19 b y graphi c presentatio n a deterioratio n recor d o f air

20 qualit y ove r th e las t yea r becaus e

, althoug h i t ha d been

21 i n nin e year s i n complianc e unde r hi s directio n

, i t is

22 no w beginnin g t o deteriorat e t o th e poin t wher e San

23 Antoni o wa s on e p o in t ou t o f complianc e jus t a wa y from

24 bein g on e poin t ou t o f complianc e

. The n h e showed

25 studie s don e b y a Baylo r Universit y win d directionalCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 scientis t wh o ha d studie d th e airflo w pattern s ou t of

2 th e count y sout h o f Sa n Antoni o

, th e Eagl e For d Shale

3 protectio n a t tha t poin t i n tim e

, an d no w eve n wors e

,

4 driftin g int o Sa n Antoni o

. Hi s statemen t wa s

, I ' m not

5 blamin g yo u

, bu t I ' m jus t askin g yo u t o loo k a t the

6 recor d

. Thi s wa s scienc e

.

7 I n 20 1 4

, th e T C E Q helpe d t o fun d a

- - with

8 Pete r an d ACO G anothe r stud y

. Th e result s cam e in

, and

9 Pete r poste d th e result s o n hi s ACO G websit e a t which

10 poin t th e T C E Q reprimande d hi m an d ACO G sayin g tha t this

11 wa s thei r stud y an d the y ha d th e righ t t o releas e the

12 result s

. I t seeme d t o b e a questio n o f wh o' s goin g to

13 releas e thes e result s an d whe n an d ho w rathe r tha n what

14 ar e th e result s

, wha t i s i t showin g abou t th e i m pac t on

15 huma n healt h an d ai r qualit y an d wha t ca n w e d o together

16 abou t it

.

17 Thi s speak s typicall y o f th e priorities

18 tha t th e TC E Q ha s

. The y wan t contro l

, bu t the y wil l not

19 allo w u s t o dea l wit h ou r ai r qualit y standard s

. They

20 ten d t o b e protectiv e o f thei r agencie s

. Again

, thi s is

21 no t th e vie w o f m y ow n congregatio n

. I t' s m y personal

22 experienc e

. I trave l t o Eagl e For d Shal e a lo t

. I

23 watc h oi l an d ga s development s ove r th e las t yea r since

24 i t began

. I visi t prison s i n ( inaudibl e ) countie s

, s o I

25 driv e straigh t dow n 3 5

. I liv e an d wor k i n th e are a ofCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 DeWit t Count y whic h i s on e o f th e mos t productiv e areas

2 o f th e Eagl e For d Shale

.

3 Th e Sa n Antoni o E x pres s New s ra n an

4 excellen t serie s o n showin g th e ai r

- - th e flaring

5 problem s i n Sout h Texas

, an d t o m y shoc k an d t o the

6 shoc k o f man y other s

, i n a fe w

- - i n a coupl e o f months

7 afte r tha t

, th e Texa s treatmen t hel d a foru m o n a

- - a

8 forum

, a serie s o f panel s o n th e Eagl e For d Shal e and

9 Barr y Smithe r ma n ha d th e Texa s Railroa d Commissio n

- -

10 wa s interviewe d a t th e lunc h

.

11 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Mada m

- -

12 SISTE R RIEBSCHLAEGE R : Ye s ?

13 MR

. NIEBLIN G :

- - woul d yo u pleas e conclude

14 you r remark s ?

15 SISTE R RIEBSCHLAEGE R : I wil l

. Than k yo u

.

16 S o th e botto m lin e wa s

, Mr

. Smitherma n

, whe n aske d about

17 tha t repor t

, sai d

, I ha d no t hear d o f i t unti l jus t this

18 mornin g

. I di d no t kno w thi s wa s goin g o n a t th e Eagle

19 For d Shal e

, an d w e than k th e Sa n Antoni o E xpres s News

20 fo r callin g thi s t o ou r attentio n

.

21 M y statemen t i s an d m y conclusio n i s that

22 th e T C E Q commissio n ar e eithe r no t reall y following

23 wha t' s happenin g o r coverin g u p wha t ' s happenin g o r in

24 denia l abou t wha t ' s happenin g

. W e rel y o n th e E P A to

25 pleas e stan d o n realit y an d t o protec t ou r healt h

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1 Than k yo u

.

2 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, w e have

3 Sonj a Arnquis t an d Shammar a Norri s

, pleas e

.

4 MS

. ARNQUIS T : Hello

. I gues s w e g o a head

5 an d ge t starte d

. Than k yo u s o muc h

. I kno w y' al l are

6 tired

. I ' m Sonj a Arnquis t

. I ' m a teache r an d I ' m a

7 mo m

. I hav e tw o gran d kid s

. I 'v e live d i n th e are a not

8 fa r fro m her e i n Th e Colon y

, Texa s fo r 3 2 years

. I am

9 fro m Nort h Carolin a

. I gre w u p righ t outsid e o f North

10 Carolin a an d I remembe r th e fres h ai r an d runnin g and

11 playin g ever y da y al l throug h th e summe r a s a chil d

, and

12 I actuall y smelle d som e fres h ai r fairl y r e centl y a few

13 year s bac k whe n w e drov e eigh t hour s

- - a t leas t si x to

14 eigh t hour s nort h int o Arkansa s

. Th e ai r wa s fres h

.

15 It ' s reall y a sham e tha t I hav e t o driv e tha t fa r to

16 smel l fres h ai r

.

17 I' m reall y

, reall y

, reall y upse t with

18 Texas

, an d i f y ' al l ca n d o anythin g t o

- - i f y' al l can

19 ge t i t dow n t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

, the n mayb e Texas

20 woul d a t leas t ge t i t dow n t o lik e 7 5 her e o r somethin g

.

21 I' v e jus t hear d

- - I ' m reall y gettin g mor e a war e o f this

22 an d I though t

, the y' r e goin g t o b e hearin g m y voic e down

23 i n Austi n

. I' m jus t ver y upse t abou t thi s

. I' m very

24 upse t wit h thes e cowboy s dow n her e runnin g thi s thing

.

25 Bu t t o ge t bac k t o m y poin t

, I developedCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 hig h bloo d pressur e abou t si x year s ag o

, an d I' v e always

2 bee n a runne r an d I' v e bee n a n outsid e sport s enthusiast

3 an d I wen t t o m y hear t docto r an d the y reall y were n ' t

4 sur e

, the y though t mayb e I ' m jus t kin d o f hig h strun g

.

5 I kno w sal t i s no t goo d

. An d I jus t realize d the y just

6 close d dow n thi s plan t i n Frisc o tha t wa s puttin g way

7 to o muc h iro n ou t i n th e ai r

, bu t than k Go d tha t did

8 close

. An d s o I kno w y ' al l ar e makin g progres s

, an d I

9 d o appreciat e tha t

.

10 I' m a lat e graduat e

. I jus t

- - I hav e been

11 drivin g t o Dento n

, Texa s t o g o t o T W U startin g i n about

12 20 1 1

, an d I jus t graduate d i n 1 3

- - 201 3

, an d dri v in g to

13 Dento n

, I notice d I woul d g e t stuff y heade d

, especially

14 i n th e summe r ho t month s an d I ha d congestio n i n my

15 chest

, an d I 'v e go t m y littl e mas k her e I wan t t o show

16 yo u

. I too k a n environmenta l scienc e clas s abou t ten

17 year s ag o

, an d tha t i s s o d epressin g

. Yo u kno w

, that

18 reall y d e presse s yo u ho w ba d ou r environmen t is

. An d I

19 thin k aroun d tha t tim e

, th e summer s ar e s o ba d her e

, I

20 wen t ahea d an d bough t thi s thin g an d I pu t i t o n when

21 it ' s reall y ho t

, yo u kno w

, an d w e 'v e go t th e ozon e and

22 i t block s carbo n

- - i t' s go t a carbo n filte r

, s o it

23 block s carbo n an d stuff

.

24 S o I woul d pu t tha t o n whe n I drov e t o TW U

25 an d i t woul d hel p moistur e

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1 moistur e up

, an d i t di d see m t o hel p

. Als o s o th e blood

2 pressur e

, an d I jus t wan t t o tel l yo u abou t tha t

. An d I

3 ha d a ne w gran d bab y i n Jun e

, sh e wa s bor n th e en d of

4 Jun e

, an d I ge t alert s o n m y phon e tha t messag e

- - the

5 Sierr a Clu b message s m e whe n th e ozon e day s ar e hig h

,

6 an d ther e wa s abou t fou r I thin k righ t afte r m y bab y

- -

7 th e gran d bab y wa s bor n tha t

- - sh e live s i n Dalla s

, you

8 kno w

, righ t there

, Fran k for d an d en d o f tol l roa d i n an

9 apartmen t

, an d I

, yo u kno w

, calle d m y daughte r an d put

10 i t o n Faceboo k tha t i t' s no t saf e fo r

- - t o brin g the

11 bab y ou t

, s o do n' t tak e he r ou t

.

12 An d I actuall y bough t a n ai r purifie r

, a

13 reall y goo d ai r purifie r fo r th e apartmen t becaus e it

14 smell s kin d o f mold y an d stuf f i n ther e

, s o tha t ' s

15 reall y t o clea n th e ai r

. An d the y do n ' t hav e the

16 filte r

. The y ra n

- - th e filter s

, the y change d i t an d I

17 ha d t o bu y anothe r on e

. Sorr y

, I ' m kin d o f nervou s

.

18 An d I ' v e bee n noticin g th e ai r qualit y i s no t to o goo d

.

19 I reall y worr y abou t tha t littl e apartmen t righ t there

20 b y th e tol l roa d an d stuff

.

21 Als o

, I' m a pr e schoo l teache r

. I wa s a

22 preschoo l teache r fo r year s

, an d I remembe r

- - yo u kno w

,

23 I kno w ho w th e kid s an d eve n i n th e schoo l syste m

, they

24 ca n ' t g o ou t whe n th e ozon e day s ar e hig h

, yo u kno w

, the

25 orang e an d re d

. I jus t talke d t o a frien d o f min e whoCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 own s a daycar e no w an d sh e sai d tha t

, ye s

, the y

- -

2 becaus e the y g o al l summe r i n daycare s an d the y d o not

3 g o ou t whe n th e day s ar e orang e o r re d

. Luckil y

, last

4 summe r

, i t was n ' t to o ba d

, sh e though t

. Yo u kno w

, they

5 did n' t hav e to o man y o f thos e day s

.

6 Bu t the y d o g o ou t abou t ever y da y t o ge t a

7 littl e fres h ai r

, sh e say s

, bu t sh e sai d

, quot e

- - I

8 talke d t o he r thi s mornin g

. Sh e sai d

, w e g o ou t for

9 fres h ai r

, wha t littl e ther e i s lef t

, an d the n sh e sai d

,

10 ther e reall y is n' t an y fres h ai r lef t

. Sh e' s very

11 concerne d

. Sh e sai d th e kid s ar e alway s streamin g in

12 fo r thei r breathin g treatment s

. Thi s ha s bee n goin g on

13 whe n I wa s a pr e schoo l teache r 1 5 year s ag o

. Th e kids

14 wer e alway s comin g i n th e offic e an d b e sittin g i n there

15 fo r thei r breathin g treatmen t

. An d thi s ha s not

16 change d

. I t ' s no t gettin g

- - s o w e stil l hav e wor k to

17 d o becaus e ther e' s to o man y kid s comin g i n fo r breathing

18 treatment s i n th e daycare s

.

19 Ou r summer s ar e reall y ba d her e

, guy s

. I

20 do n ' t fee l goo d her e i n th e summe r

. I g o vacationin g in

21 Nort h Carolin a

. Ther e' s

- - m y sist e r ha s a hom e in

22 Jefferso n

, an d whe n I g o ther e

, I jus t star t feeling

23 bette r

. I fee l bette r

, an d m y attitud e

- - yo u kno w

, I

24 jus t reall y fee l bette r i n ever y wa y

. An d the n I come

25 bac k her e i n th e summe r an d I star t feelin g ba d again

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1 Yo u kno w

, I hav e th e congestio n

.

2 Als o

, I tal k

- - I wa s gettin g Starbucks

3 righ t befor e I cam e an d I aske d th e gu y ou t a t the

4 windo w an d h e' s righ t a t som e majo r intersection s o f 1 2 1

5 an d Mai n Stree t i n Th e Colon y

, an d hi s windo w

, h e ha s to

6 ope n i t al l th e tim e

, an d I sai d

, d o yo u hav e any

7 problem s wit h th e smo g

, yo u kno w

, whe n i t get s ba d

,

8 probabl y mor e i n th e summe r ? An d h e say s

, actuall y the

9 summe r i s th e onl y tim e I ge t an y kin d o f allergy

10 iss ue s

. S o tha t' s probabl y du e t o th e smo g an d he

11 think s s o

, to o

.

12 S o I' m al l i n favo r o f lowerin g i t al l the

13 wa y t o 6 0

. I sur e hop e tha t y ' al l ca n d o tha t s o w e can

14 al l hav e a littl e mor e peac e o f min d an d i m prove d health

15 an d the n mayb e Texa s woul d com e dow n a littl e furthe r

.

16 An d anythin g yo u ca n d o t o soc k i t t o Texa s

, pleas e d o

,

17 an d than k yo u ver y muc h

.

18 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Shammar a

.

19 MS

. NORRI S : Hell o

. Than k yo u fo r allowing

20 m e t o spea k today

. M y nam e i s Shammar a Norri s

, an d I am

21 th e Presiden t an d CE O o f Asthm a Chaser s

, an d I' m als o an

22 asthm a advocat e

. Firs t o f al l

, le t m e tel l yo u

, I love

23 peopl e

, an d I believ e i n peopl e

, an d I believ e the y 're

24 Go d ' s greates t creatio n

. I a m fo r 6 0 part s pe r billion

25 ai r qualit y fo r standar d toda y

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1 M y organizatio n busines s

, Asthm a Chaser s

,

2 w e rais e awarenes s t o th e individual s an d especially

3 childre n i n th e mos t vulnerabl e ZI P code s an d economic

4 di s advantage d communitie s her e i n Dalla s

. W e provide

5 screenin g

, asthm a managemen t

, an d foremos t

, educatio n

.

6 Ou r goa l i s t o spar k eac h on e o f yo u t o tak e a bold

7 actio n toda y aroun d poo r ai r qualit y i n childre n who

8 suffe r wit h asthm a

.

9 Ou r specifi c messag e fo r yo u toda y i s that

10 constantl y hig h ozon e layer s acros s Nort h Texa s region

11 ar e i m pactin g th e wel l bein g o f ou r childre n and

12 en dangerin g th e live s o f childre n her e wit h asthm a

. We

13 nee d t o thin k poo r ai r qualit y i n childre n hinder s them

14 t o liv e a health y an d successfu l lif e

. I kno w today

15 yo u 'v e hear d a lo t abou t asthm a an d th e statistic s on

16 asthm a

, bu t I thin k i t' s importan t tha t w e hea r that

17 becaus e whe n yo u se e th e face s o f th e childre n that

18 suffe r i n th e communit y wit h asthm a

, i t ' s importan t to

19 kno w th e statistic s

.

20 Asthm a i s considere d a chroni c diseas e

.

21 Nationall y

, 7. 1 millio n childre n hav e asthm a

. The

22 diseas e cost s th e Unite d State s $ 5 6 billio n a yea r

.

23 Approximatel y her e i n Dalla s

, 18 0

, 00 0 childre n i n the

24 Dalla s an d Tarran t Count y hav e asthm a

. A n emergency

25 roo m asthm a exacerbatio n ca n cos t u p t o $ 3

, 00 0 jus t forCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 on e visi t tha t da y

. I n 20 1 2

, 15 0 0 childre n i n Dallas

2 Count y visite d th e emergenc y roo m o r wer e hospitalized

3 fo r asthm a

.

4 Dalla s Count y ha s th e highes t numbe r of

5 childre n tha t hav e asthm a hospitalizations

. Currentl y

,

6 th e prevalenc e o f asthm a amon g childre n a s fa r a s race

7 goe s

, 8. 2 percen t ar e whit e

, 6

. 6 percen t ar e Hispani c

,

8 an d 1 1

. 7 percen t ar e Africa n

- America n

, an d 7

. 1 percent

9 ar e othe r

. Eac h da y

, no n American s di e fro m asthm a here

10 i n th e Unite d State s o f Americ a

. Africa n

- American s are

11 thre e time s mor e likel y t o di e fro m asthm a

.

12 I' m goin g t o tel l yo u a story

, an d i t' s a

13 persona l stor y o f m y ow n

. I ge t aske d th e questio n a

14 lo t

, wh y d o yo u car e s o muc h fo r asthm a

, wh y i s i t so

15 importan t t o yo u

, di d yo u los e a chil d fro m asthm a

, did

16 somebod y i n you r famil y di e fro m asthm a ? Wel l

, the

17 answe r ' s no

. Yo u se e

, I ' m a respirator y therapis t by

18 trade

. I 'v e se e n asthm a fro m th e diagnosi s o f the

19 diseas e t o th e deat h o f th e diseas e

.

20 I move d t o thi s beautifu l Stat e o f Texa s in

21 20 0 7

. I ' m prett y sur e yo u ca n tel l tha t b y m y nice

22 accen t

. I worke d i n Virgin i a a s a respirator y therapist

23 takin g car e o f adult s an d childre n fo r severa l year s

.

24 Ye t

, i n m y caree r i n Virgini a

, I did n' t se e an y deaths

25 relate d t o asthm a

. I move d her e i n 20 0 7

. Befor e movingCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 her e i n 2 00 7

, I worke d a t fou r differen t hospital s in

2 on e syste m i n Virgini a an d neve r sa w a death

. I moved

3 t o Texa s an d I bega n t o wor k her e i n Texa s a t several

4 hospital s i n Dalla s

, an d I bega n t o se e peopl e di e from

5 asthm a a t a ver y youn g ag e

. I becam e ver y afrai d and

6 scare d an d concerne d an d was n ' t quit e sur e wha t was

7 goin g on

, s o I bega n t o loo k int o asthm a mor e deepl y

.

8 Eve n thoug h I' m a respirator y therapis t

, we

9 trea t severa l respirator y disease s

, bu t asthm a

, I' m

10 seein g childre n an d youn g peopl e di e fro m asthm a

, an d I

11 wa s confuse d

. Wel l

, I bega n t o d o m y ow n researc h and

12 stud y mor e abou t asthm a her e i n Texa s

. T o b e on e wh o is

13 carin g fo r a patien t

, a chil d wh o ca n' t breath e

, I was

14 ther e tryin g t o interven e an d manag e th e ventilato r and

15 takin g critica l step s toward s asthm a

.

16 Watchin g a paren t los e thei r chil d righ t in

17 fron t o f you r eye s whil e yo u' r e doin g C PR

, breakin g ribs

18 o n a chil d

, an d helpin g the m breath e wa s ver y difficult

19 t o do

. I though t

, I ' m traine d fo r thi s

, I ca n handle

20 thi s

, I wen t t o schoo l an d the y taugh t u s ho w t o handle

21 th e s e situation s

. Bu t th e cr y fro m a mothe r an d almost

22 collapsin g brough t tear s t o m y eye s

. Th e fac e yo u see

23 i n th e roo m i s somethin g yo u' l l neve r forge t

. O h

, ye s

,

24 thi s particula r famil y I ' m discussin g toda y wa s an

25 Africa n

- America n chil d tha t wa s eigh t year s ol d

. TheCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 chil d die d an d did n' t mak e i t tha t da y

.

2 S o today

, I ' m i n suppor t fo r positive

3 outcome s fo r peopl e wit h asthm a

. Di s advantage d kid s not

4 onl y breath e a disproportionat e amoun t o f ba d ai r

, but

5 the y als o ca n b e mor e vulnerabl e t o th e il l effect s of

6 ba d ai r

. O f cours e ther e ar e man y othe r barrier s that

7 exis t fo r childre n an d thei r familie s

, bu t thi s i s the

8 mos t importan t

. Th e severit y o f childre n wit h asthma

9 ca n b e a ffecte d b y asthm a trigger s i n th e environment

10 wher e th e chil d live s

, learn s

, an d play s

, bu t especially

11 th e ai r the y breath e

. Than k yo u s o muc h fo r you r time

12 today

.

13 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t w e would

14 invit e u p Jan e Lyn n an d Scot t Berthe l

.

15 MS

. LYN N : Hell o

. M y nam e i s Jan e Lyn n

.

16 D o yo u nee d m y addres s o r jus t

- - I ' m fro m Arlingto n

,

17 Texas

, an d I brough t thi s bracele t wit h m e toda y because

18 a teache r fro m on e o f th e publi c school s i n th e area

19 gav e i t t o m e

. The y giv e thi s t o th e childre n

. It

20 say s

, becaus e i t' s th e righ t thin g t o d o

. An d I just

21 though t

, wo w

, wha t a n appropriat e them e fo r wha t w e 're

22 discussin g toda y an d wha t w e' r e

- - lowerin g ou r ozone

23 standar d possibl y t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

24 I realiz e ther e ar e multipl e source s of

25 emission s whic h contribut e t o ai r pollutio n i n ourCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Metrople x

, bu t I' d lik e t o focu s o n frackin g

. Sinc e I

2 hav e personall y witnesse d a visibl e chang e i n ou r air

3 qualit y sinc e it s inceptio n an d hav e smelle d many

4 strang e odor s

, hav e fel t m y eye s an d m y lung s bur n from

5 pollutio n sinc e th e tim e tha t ga s drillin g wa s know n for

6 ou r neighborhood s

.

7 I f i t wer e no t fo r frackin g

, I woul d not

8 eve n b e her e toda y speakin g wit h yo u becaus e o n April

9 11 t h o f 2 01 1 m y famil y wa s gasse d i n th e middl e o f the

10 nigh t b y a Chesapeak e wel l tha t ha d spewe d natura l gas

11 int o ou r bedroo m

, an d w e liv e tw o block s a wa y fro m the

12 dril l sit e

. Bu t wha t wa s eve n mor e disturbin g than

13 bein g poisone d i n ou r ow n bed s i n th e middl e o f the

14 nigh t wa s th e manne r i n whic h ou r Cit y an d th e industry

15 an d T C E Q handle d thi s inciden t

. The y al l pla y dow n what

16 actuall y occurre d an d th e Cit y gav e Chesapeak e a free

17 pas s t o dril l si x additionall y well s a t tha t ver y drill

18 sit e

.

19 Whe n T CE Q arrive d o n th e scen e

, which

20 happene d t o b e abou t nin e hour s late r

, th e ai r testing

21 foun d nothin g becaus e th e win d ble w al l th e toxin s a wa y

.

22 Recentl y

, I accompanie d Sharo n Wilso n o f Earthwork s to

23 captur e som e flar e image s throughou t th e Arlingto n are a

,

24 an d w e actuall y ha d video s o f emission s tha t are

25 in visibl e emission s spewin g of f numerou s dril l site s andCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 a compressio n statio n

. I wil l b e happ y t o provid e those

2 t o yo u upo n reques t

. An d I experienc e healt h effects

3 whe n I wa s nea r tha t compressio n statio n i n South

4 Arlingto n an d I wen t a hea d an d file d a forma l complaint

5 wit h T CE Q

. An d curiousl y

, thei r flar e camera

6 malfunctione d durin g tha t investigatio n

.

7 Yo u kno w

, mos t peopl e canno t affor d t o lose

8 tim e fro m wor k o r schoo l du e t o illnes s o r pa y for

9 ex pensiv e hospita l admission s o r docto r bill s

, but

10 industr y ca n affor d a missio n contro l technolog y

, but

11 the y wo n ' t tak e th e step s t o protec t publi c health

12 unles s ou r governmen t mandate s thi s

. Thi s i s because

13 industr y rarel y doe s somethin g becaus e it ' s th e right

14 thin g t o do

. Ou r stat e has n' t don e th e righ t thin g in

15 th e wa y o f enforcemen t an d I spea k o f T CE Q

. Ou r cities

16 haven ' t don e th e righ t thin g i n th e wa y o f drafting

17 protectiv e ordinanc e s fo r thei r resident s

.

18 Th e E P A i s pr o posin g a n ozon e standar d of

19 6 5 t o 7 5 part s pe r billio n

, bu t I as k yo u t o d o even

20 mor e

. I as k yo u t o strengthe n i t t o 6 0 part s per

21 billio n becaus e i t ' s th e righ t thin g t o d o

. According

22 t o th e E P A

, 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d pr e vent

23 1. 8 millio n asthm a attack s

, 1

. 9 millio n los t school

24 day s

, 6, 4 0 0 pr e matur e death s

. Ho w ca n w e teach

, our

25 futur e generatio n t o d o somethin g becaus e it ' s th e rightCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 thin g t o d o i f ou r leader s an d rul e maker s wo n' t se t an

2 exampl e fo r the m t o follo w

.

3 S o I as k yo u

, th e EP A

, t o d o th e right

4 thing

, hel p protec t ou r ai r she d

, ou r plane t

, an d the

5 healt h o f thi s generatio n an d futur e generation s because

6 I d o mis s breathin g fres h

, clea n ai r

. Than k yo u

.

7 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Scott

.

8 MR

. BERTHE L : Goo d evenin g

. M y nam e is

9 Scot t Berthe l

. Than k yo u fo r th e tim e yo u pu t i n t o all

10 o f us

, an d I ' m gratefu l fo r th e opportunit y t o spea k to

11 yo u abou t wh y m y famil y an d I woul d lik e t o se e th e E P A

12 tak e th e importan t ste p fo r settin g th e ne w standar d of

13 ozon e commonl y know n a s smo g a t 6 0 part s pe r billion

14 rathe r tha n th e currentl y pr o pose d ne w rang e o f 6 5 t o 7 0

15 part s pe r billio n

. Whil e yo u wil l u n doubtedl y hea r from

16 busines s an d manufacturin g interes t s tha t would

17 en courag e a standar d a t th e hig h en d o f th e newly

18 pr o pose d rang e o r sugges t tha t th e standar d r e mai n at

19 th e curren t leve l o f 7 5 part s pe r billio n

, m y famil y and

20 I woul d lik e t o offe r a differen t perspectiv e o n what

21 need s t o b e protecte d an d wh y

.

22 A s a n educato r wit h nearl y 3 0 year s of

23 experienc e

, I currentl y ove r se e a middl e schoo l i n the

24 DF W are a wit h 5 0 0 student s an d ove r 5 0 facult y an d staff

25 member s

. O n a n annua l basi s sinc e movin g t o theCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Dalla s / For t Wort h are a te n year s ag o

, I 'v e watche d as

2 student s i n m y schoo l eac h yea r hav e bee n un abl e to

3 participat e i n eithe r physica l educatio n classe s when

4 the y ar e hel d outdoor s whic h w e' r e fortunat e t o b e able

5 t o d o oftentime s i n ou r are a an d / o r thei r intergalactic

6 sport s activitie s becaus e o f asthm a o r uppe r respiratory

7 problem s tha t ar e ofte n brough t o n b y th e ai r qualit y

.

8 Thoug h I ' m fortunat e t o wor k i n a schoo l in

9 whic h m y facilit y ' s operation s manage r work s har d to

10 ensur e th e ai r qualit y insid e o f ou r building s

, hi s work

11 an d ou r i n vestment s a s a n institutio n ca n b e easily

12 un don e

, hav e bee n easil y undon e whe n ou r student s go

13 outsid e fo r P E classe s an d practice s o r contest s and

14 haven ' t alway s bee n abl e t o participat e whe n they

15 struggl e wit h asthm a o r respirator y problem s

.

16 Whil e ou r live s ar e se t i n a tim e that

17 ofte n i s concernin g fo r m e a s a n educato r wit h the

18 cultura l pressure s

, societa l pressure s

, and

19 environmenta l constraint s an d everythin g

, i t i s an

20 excitin g tim e a s a n educato r becaus e o f th e advance s of

21 neuro scienc e

. Ove r th e cours e o f th e pas t fiv e o r ten

22 years

, m y staf f an d I hav e learne d volume s abou t the

23 significanc e o f brai n developmen t a s i t relate s to

24 learnin g

, an d w e' v e bee n fortunat e t o b e abl e t o d o that

25 i n th e uniqu e tim e

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1 A s a resul t

, I ' m eve n mor e passionat e about

2 addressin g th e man y factor s whic h influenc e th e health

3 o f th e childre n i n m y car e a t m y schoo l

.

4 A lon g wit h simpl e step s lik e getting

5 adequat e slee p an d a health y die t

, thing s tha t a parent

6 ca n easil y influenc e an d manag e a t hom e

, th e valu e of

7 physica l exercis e an d clea n ai r ha s bee n prove n by

8 neuro scienc e t o b e anothe r importan t elemen t in

9 contributin g t o th e growt h o f a health y brai n tha t is

10 read y an d abl e t o learn

. T o b e a paren t t o b e abl e to

11 sa y

, le t ' s g o outsid e an d pla y

, th e ai r qualit y is

12 somethin g tha t ' s beyon d ou r peopl e

, an d yo u hav e the

13 authorit y t o influenc e tha t

.

14 Selfishl y

, I wan t clea n ai r i n ou r are a for

15 m y abilit y t o g o outsid e an d pla y wit h m y tw o daughter s

.

16 I wan t i t becaus e I e n jo y lon g distanc e runnin g and

17 bicyclin g an d enjo y bein g outsid e

, bu t professionall y

,

18 whe n I com e bac k an d conside r m y student s

, i t woul d lead

19 m e t o respon d t o an y busines s o r manufacturin g interest

20 whic h woul d sa y

, do n ' t lowe r th e groun d leve l ozone

21 standar d

. I woul d poin t ou t tha t i t ' s tim e t o tak e the

22 bol d ste p t o protec t th e mos t valuabl e re sourc e w e have

23 i n th e countr y whic h i s th e brain s

, th e mind s o f our

24 childre n wh o wil l becom e ou r futur e leader s

.

25 An d no w I ' d lik e t o tur n m y microphon e overCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 t o m y wif e

, Sally

, wh o' s goin g t o shar e a brief

,

2 persona l perspectiv e fo r ou r famil y

.

3 MS

. BERTHE L : Goo d evenin g

. Than k yo u for

4 givin g u s thi s opportunit y t o speak

. M y nam e i s Sally

5 Berthe l

. M y younges t daughte r an d I hav e asthm a

.

6 Betwee n th e tw o o f u s

, w e shar e fiv e inhaler s

. Tw o of

7 thos e fiv e inhaler s I us e twic e dail y

, an d I orde r them

8 ever y thre e month s

, an d i t cos t $ 1, 27 5

. Th e othe r three

9 inhaler s tha t w e us e cos t approximatel y $ 52 0 a yea r

.

10 Thi s i s ou r rescu e inhale r

, an d w e d o no t leav e the

11 hous e withou t i t

.

12 M y daughte r ha s on e a t schoo l

, a n extr a one

13 a t schoo l tha t w e kee p i n th e nurse ' s offic e because

14 ther e ar e time s typicall y whe n i t ' s war m outsid e that

15 sh e wil l nee d t o us e i t afte r sh e play s a t reces s

. I

16 do n ' t leav e th e hous e withou t thi s eithe r

. Whe n I go

17 ou t fo r a wal k i n th e mornin g

, I chec k th e Ai r Quality

18 Inde x t o se e i f I nee d t o tak e a puf f o f thi s befor e I

19 g o outsid e whic h woul d hel p m e no t t o wheez e whi l e I' m

20 walkin g

.

21 S o I thin k w e kno w tha t smo g triggers

22 asthm a attack s

. I ' m sur e yo u ' v e prett y wel l go t that

23 toda y an d hear d a lo t abou t tha t toda y an d kno w that

24 fro m you r ow n researc h

. Wha t I' m hopin g i s th e research

25 tha t wa s conducte d b y th e Cleane r Scientifi c AdvisoryCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Committe e clearl y show s tha t publi c healt h wil l benefit

2 fro m lowerin g th e part s pe r billio n standar d

, an d I

3 strongl y encourag e the m t o cas t opinion s an d fear s

- -

4 rel y o n th e scienc e an d th e fact s an d th e researc h

. Set

5 th e standar d fo r groun d leve l ozon e t o 6 0 part s per

6 billio n

, mak e a differenc e fo r m y daughte r an d I an d for

7 childre n an d adult s throughou t th e Dalla s / For t Worth

8 are a

. Than k yo u s o muc h

.

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t w e would

10 lik e t o brin g u p Ma r sha l l Smit h an d Beck y Bor nhors t

,

11 pleas e

.

12 MR

. SMIT H : Hi

. M y nam e i s Marshal l Smit h

.

13 I liv e i n Dento n

, Texas

, an d I reall y appreciate

14 y' al l

- - I mea n

, I kno w thi s i s you r jo b

, bu t yo u guys

15 hav e bee n hearin g thi s

- - thes e comment s sinc e this

16 mornin g

, an d I probabl y ca n ' t reall y ad d anythin g a s far

17 a s fact s an d figure s o r anythin g tha t yo u haven ' t heard

18 befor e

, an d I definitel y do n' t hav e an y kin d of

19 reall y

- - I ' v e bee n ver y fortunat e

, m y famil y ' s been

20 fortunat e no t t o hav e an y seriou s asthm a o r health

21 issue s relate d t o th e ai r qualit y

. Bu t I a m here

22 becaus e I ' m ver y concerne d wit h th e ai r qualit y i n North

23 Texas

.

24 I hav e tw o marrie d daughter s

, three

25 grandc h ildre n

, an d probabl y anothe r grandchil d tha t ' sCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 goin g t o b e o n th e wa y s oo n

. W e al l tr y t o tak e good

2 car e o f ou r healt h an d watc h ou r diets

, w e exercis e

, the

3 boy s ar e i n organize d

- - m y tw o grandson s

- - th e older

4 grandson s ar e i n organize d sport s

, w e al l liv e i n the

5 Dalla s / For t Wort h are a

, w e filte r ou r wate r

, w e tr y to

6 b e carefu l a s fa r a s reall y readin g label s

, buying

7 health y food s

, organi c

, whe n possibl e

, w e d o food

8 supplement s tha t w e believ e probabl y i s th e reaso n we ' re

9 al l i n goo d healt h

. Non e o f u s smok e

.

10 Th e on e are a o f ou r live s tha t w e hav e very

11 littl e contro l ove r i s th e ai r tha t w e breath e

. I try

12 t o d o m y par t

. I bik e a s muc h a s possibl e

. I mo w my

13 law n b y han d

, I do n' t us e an y moto r tools

, an y leaf

14 blower s o r an y o f tha t kin d o f stuf f

. I tr y t o kee p my

15 thermosta t s o tha t I us e a s littl e natura l ga s i n the

16 wintertim e

, a s littl e electricit y a s possibl e i n the

17 summertim e

, bu t tha t ' s reall y no t eve n a dro p i n the

18 bucke t a s fa r a s tryin g t o kee p th e ai r clea n

.

19 I a m no t a scientis t

, bu t I ' m very

20 comfortabl e wit h scienc e

. M y fathe r wa s a scientis t

. I

21 wa s o n a mat h scienc e trac k completel y fro m junio r high

22 throug h hig h schoo l

. I ha d tw o chemistr y classe s

,

23 advance d placemen t i n chemistr y i n hig h schoo l

. I

24 starte d colleg e a s a chemica l engineerin g major

. My

25 younge r daughte r teache s scienc e a t Guye r Hig h Schoo l inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Dento n

. I belon g t o th e Unio n o f Concerne d Scientis t

.

2 Wher e I' m goin g wit h thi s i s scienc e i s no t Gree k t o m e

.

3 I fee l ver y comfortabl e wi t h scienc e

, an d I fee l that

4 whe n scienc e i s independen t i n seekin g answer s to

5 question s

, i t' s somethin g w e nee d t o liste n t o

, no t when

6 i t ha s th e answe r s alread y an d i s seekin g t o fram e the

7 question s t o fi t simila r answer s

.

8 Un fortunatel y

, Texas

, a s wit h man y other

9 politica l entitie s

, i s rule d b y th e golde n rul e i n that

10 h e wh o ha s th e gol d make s th e rules

, an d tha t i s wh y in

11 Texa s

- - i n Nort h Texa s w e ar e reall y dependen t o n you

12 wit h th e EP A an d th e federa l governmen t t o giv e us

13 reasonabl e level s o f th e environmenta l protectio n

. We

14 ar e no t goin g t o ge t thi s fro m a stat e agencie s

. This

15 i s

- - othe r peopl e hav e documente d

. Yo u kno w

, I ' m sure

16 yo u 'v e alread y hear d man y time s ove r th e needless

17 sufferin g an d eve n death s tha t ca n b e attribute d to

18 exces s ozon e

, an d I do n ' t nee d t o g o ove r thes e figures

19 an d fact s agai n

.

20 I jus t wan t t o than k yo u

- al l fo r bein g here

21 fo r listenin g t o ou r concern s an d o u r comment s and

22 considerin g the m whe n th e agenc y set s th e limit s for

23 ozon e i n ou r are a

, hopefull y settin g the m a t 6 0 parts

24 pe r billio n

. W e jus t nee d al l th e hea d roo m w e can

25 hav e

. On e littl e closin g ou t

, I fin d i t reall y ironi c

,COLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 Texa s i s s o wel l situate d fo r alternativ e form s of

2 energ y

. W e coul d re plac e ever y bi t o f energ y w e use

3 wit h win d sola r ge o therma l

, w e coul d ge t som e wave

4 actio n fro m th e coastlin e

.

5 Bu t anywa y

, I appreciat e yo u s o muc h for

6 bein g her e an d listenin g t o ou r comment s

, an d than k you

7 s o muc h

.

8 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Becky

.

9 MS

. BORNHORS T : Beck y Bor n hors t

. I liv e in

10 southwes t Dalla s Count y

. I ' m a ( inaudibl e ) a t ris k and

11 Sierr a Clu b membe r

. I wan t t o than k th e EP A fo r coming

12 t o Nort h Texas

. Yo u ar e trul y i n th e valle y o f the

13 beas t her e

. An d i f yo u hav e an y doub t abou t tha t

, in

14 today ' s Dalla s Mornin g New s

, righ t i n th e middl e

, the

15 mos t smogg y day s nearl y a Dalla s exclusiv e

, an d yo u can

16 se e Dalla s a t th e to p

, bu t ou t o f thi s lis t o f 2 2

17 citie s

, ther e ar e fiv e Texa s citie s

, an d tha t ' s a pretty

18 goo d percentag e

.

19 I n Texas

, w e reall y nee d th e E P A sinc e our

20 stat e official s d o no t ac t

. The y 'r e no t actin g

, the y ' re

21 no t helpin g us

. The y do n' t car e tha t th e Cooks

22 Childre n ' s Hospita l ha s declare d a n epidemi c in

23 childhoo d asthm a rate s i n Dalla s / For t Wort h wit h rates

24 twic e th e stat e averag e

. The y do n' t car e tha t Dallas

25 Count y ha s th e highes t numbe r o f chil d asthmaCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 hospitalization s i n th e state

. M y childre n ar e no w 28

2 an d 3 0

, bu t the y' v e live d thei r entir e live s i n ai r that

3 i s un fi t t o breath e

.

4 I' v e bee n comin g t o E P A an d T C E Q hearings

5 fo r 2 0 year s an d askin g fo r you r hel p i n cleanin g u p the

6 ai r fo r m y kid s an d no w fo r thei r kid s

. S o E PA

, please

7 hel p u s ou t her e i n Texa s

. I full y suppor t your

8 proposa l t o lowe r th e ozon e standar d t o 6 0 part s per

9 billio n

, mayb e eve n lowe r tha n tha t

. I full y support

10 yo u usin g whateve r bi g stic k yo u hav e i n you r powe r to

11 mak e th e stat e brin g u s int o complianc e wit h th e current

12 rate s a s wel l a s th e ne w lowe r rate s

.

13 W e al l kno w wha t i t wil l tak e

. W e know

14 wha t th e cemen t plant s nee d t o d o

, w e kno w wha t the

15 powe r plant s nee d t o do

, w e kno w wha t th e oi l an d gas

16 industr y need s t o do

. Ther e i s n o myster y

, bu t ther e is

17 a stat e governmen t tha t i s i n th e bac k pocke t of

18 industr y

. S o agai n

, I as k th e E P A t o ste p i n an d help

19 u s her e

. W e 'r e al l holdin g ou r breath s

. Than k yo u

.

20 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, w e have

21 Caro l an d E d Sop h

.

22 MS

. SOP H : Hell o

. M y nam e i s Caro l Sop h

,

23 an d I com e fro m Dento n

, Texas

, an d I ' m a membe r of

24 Dento n Drillin g Awarenes s Grou p i n Dento n

. I a m her e to

25 as k th e E P A t o lowe r th e amoun t o f groun d leve l ozon e toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. I woul d lik e t o tel l th e pane l a

2 littl e bi t abou t Dento n firs t befor e givin g m e reasons

3 fo r th e reques t

.

4 Dento n i s a cit y o f concerne d citizen s that

5 ha s take n measure s o n it s ow n fo r severa l year s no w to

6 reduc e ai r pollutio n i n th e cit y

, groun d leve l ozones

7 bein g on e o f th e bigge r problem s

. Dento n uses

8 4 0 percen t o f it s electricit y fro m win d powe r makin g it

9 numbe r on e i n th e stat e i n th e us e o f clea n renewable

10 energ y

. I t offer s th e bes t energ y incentiv e progra m for

11 homeowner s t o mak e thei r home s mor e energ y efficien t

.

12 The y ca n als o ge t a rebat e t o pu t sola r panel s o n their

13 hom e

.

14 Th e cit y an d universit y use s gree n belting

15 standard s an d th e Universit y o f Nort h Texa s i n stalled

16 thre e win d turbine s o n it s campu s t o powe r it s athletic

17 conduct s

. Eve n wit h al l thes e ne w source s o f clean

18 energ y

, Dento n ' s ai r qualit y ha s progressivel y gotten

19 wors e t o th e poin t o f makin g th e ai r o f thi s regio n a

20 majo r healt h issu e

. Dento n ha s don e it s par t t o tr y and

21 offse t thi s proble m

, bu t i t i s n' t enoug h

. W e nee d the

22 hel p o f th e EP A t o bri n g ou r ai r qualit y bac k t o a

23 health y leve l

.

24 I n Novembe r

, Dento n citizen s vote d t o ban

25 hydrauli c frackin g o f ga s well s withi n th e cit y ' sCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 limit s

, bu t w e alread y hav e 2 8 1 well s i n th e cit y

. Some

2 ar e locate d clos e t o homes

, school s

, park s

, and

3 hospital s

. I f th e standard s o f groun d leve l ozon e are

4 reduce d t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

, i t wil l e n courag e best

5 availabl e contro l technolog y o n thes e wel l site s to

6 reduc e toxi c emission s whic h ar e a healt h ris k to

7 citizen s wh o liv e nea r the m

. In creasin g rate s o f asthma

8 an d chroni c breathin g problem s

, especiall y i n childre n

,

9 ar e occurrin g aroun d thes e sites

.

10 I n closin g

, Dento n ha s don e it s bes t to

11 kee p ou r cit y' s ai r health y

, bu t it ' s no t enoug h

. We ' re

12 askin g yo u t o pleas e hel p u s no w wit h you r effort s

.

13 Than k yo u

.

14 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

15 MR

. SOP H : H i

. M y nam e i s E d Sop h

. I ' m

16 Carol ' s husban d

, an d Caro l an d I ar e o n th e boar d o f the

17 Dento n Drillin g Awarenes s Grou p whic h i s th e gras s roots

18 organizatio n tha t pu t th e campaig n togethe r tha t go t the

19 cit y t o pas s a frackin g ba n

.

20 M y wif e sai d mos t al l tha t need s t o be

21 sai d

. I ' l l jus t follo w u p an d sa y tha t 6 0 part s per

22 billio n i s absolut e l y necessar y t o protec t th e public

23 healt h

. I n fac t

, anythin g tha t yo u ca n d o t o reduce

24 greenhous e ga s emission s i n V O C s an d t o aggressively

25 pr o mot e renewabl e energ y r e source s i s cruciallyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 necessar y give n th e u n healthfu l an d possibl y fatal

2 futur e tha t scienc e increasingl y for ecast s

. Thi s i s no

3 longe r a politica l issu e

. It ' s a humanitaria n issu e

.

4 Than k yo u

.

5 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, w e have

6 Ranjan a Bhamdar i an d Wend i Hammon d

.

7 MS

. BHAMDAR I : Goo d evenin g

. I' m Ranjana

8 Bhamdar i

, an d I ' m her e t o spea k i n suppor t o f the

9 nationa l ozon e standar d o f n o mor e tha n 6 0 part s per

10 billio n

. I ' v e live d i n Arlingto n fo r 2 2 year s

, an d

- -

11 sorry

, I did n' t kno w yo u wer e comin g

. I' m sorr y

, I

12 starte d

. I ' v e live d i n Arlingto n fo r 2 2 year s

, an d I

13 represen t a grou p tha t wa s re centl y create d b y a few

14 Arlingto n resident s calle d Livabl e Arlingto n

. The

15 motivatio n wa s ou r rea l seriou s concer n about

16 deterioratin g ai r qualit y her e

, ou r in abilit y t o ge t the

17 stat e an d th e cit y t o d o anythin g abou t i t

, an d our

18 concer n fo r ou r childre n ' s healt h

.

19 I n thi s are a i n Dalla s / For t Wort h

, w e have

20 ver y poo r ai r qualit y

. Ever y tim e w e g o i n t o our

21 docto r o r t o ou r childre n ' s doctor s wit h allergie s

,

22 sinu s infection s

, respirator y illnes s

, w e hea r tha t our

23 ai r i s reall y ba d

. Arlingto n ai r i s

, i n fac t

, th e worst

24 i n th e are a

. W e hav e ozon e aler t day s ofte n whe n our

25 school s d o no t le t ou r childre n g o ou t fo r reces s

. ManyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 industrie s contribut e t o i t

, an d i n th e las t fe w year s

,

2 frackin g ha s don e a ver y

- - ha s cause d sever e har m to

3 ou r ai r qualitie s

. Hydrocarbon s an d V O C s emitte d by

4 ( inaudibl e ) ad d t o th e ozon e i n th e ai r

.

5 Th e stat e o f Texa s an d th e TE C Q hav e no

6 reasonabl e

, sensibl e pla n whatsoeve r t o i m prov e the

7 situatio n

. I n fac t

, ou r onl y hop e lie s i n havin g a

8 federa l standar d o n ozon e t o mak e thes e industrie s curb

9 thei r emission s

, an d hopefull y

, tha t shoul d protec t our

10 childre n ' s healt h a littl e bi t

. A lo t o f wha t I wanted

11 t o sa y ha s bee n covere d b y speaker s befor e m e i n much

12 de tai l

, s o give n th e latenes s o f th e hou r

, I ' m goin g to

13 b e ver y brie f

.

14 Asthm a ha s com e u p a lo t

, an d wha t I

15 learne d whil e I wa s preparin g fo r

- - t o spea k her e today

16 wa s tha t childhoo d asthm a rate s i n thi s are a ar e twice

17 th e nationa l averag e an d thre e time s th e averag e fo r the

18 stat e o f Texas

. Tha t shoul d b e absolutel y u n acceptabl e

.

19 W e nee d t o d o bette r fo r ou r childre n

. I n fac t

,

20 accordin g t o th e E PA ' s researc h

, a ne w ozon e standar d of

21 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d eliminat e roughl y 1. 8 million

22 asthm a attack s

, 1

. 9 millio n misse d schoole d day s

, and

23 64 0 0 pr e matur e death s nationwid e

.

24 W e hear d fro m som e speaker s earlie r from

25 th e oi l an d ga s industr y abou t th ei r mat h

, abou t whatCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 the y brin g t o ou r econom y an d th e dollar s tha t the y add

2 an d ho w thos e number s woul d b e hur t i f w e trie d do

3 bette r fo r ou r childre n

, fo r ou r citizen s b y im proving

4 ai r qualit y

. Wha t I woul d lik e t o sa y i s tha t your

5 mat h

, you r researc h

, you r scienc e i s absolutely

6 incontrovertibl e

. Ther e i s n o wa y t o compar e m y chil d ' s

7 healt h an d healt h o f ou r youn g peopl e an d compar e it

8 wit h wha t th e oi l an d ga s industr y migh t hav e t o spend

9 o n emission s contro l o r tryin g t o d o a bette r jo b

.

10 The y' r e als o tol d tha t i f yo u tr y to

11 regulat e oi l an d ga s mor e

, especiall y i n thi s par t of

12 th e worl d

, ou r econom y wil l slo w dow n

. Th e engin e of

13 ou r growt h wil l star t sputterin g

. I do n' t thin k tha t ' s

14 th e cas e o f

- - th e speake r befor e m e talke d about

15 renewabl e energ y

. I

, i n fac t

, hav e bee n ver y

, very

16 concerne d abou t wha t ' s bee n happenin g t o th e air

17 qualit y

. Th e dat a i s ther e

, bu t I ca n actually

18 experienc e i t

. W e ar e mor e tire d

, w e' r e mor e sic k

. If

19 w e ge t stuc k i n traffi c nea r a ga s wel l

, ou r children

20 hav e nosebleed s

.

21 S o give n th e i n actio n o f th e stat e

, I

22 decide d t o d o m y littl e bi t

. I starte d drivin g an

23 electri c ca r

. I' v e drive n 21

, 00 0 mile s o n i t t o dat e

,

24 an d i t ' s bee n a marvelou s succes s

, s o I kno w the

25 alternative s exis t

. Peopl e a s m e

, wher e d o yo u ge t yourCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 electricit y fro m ? I hav e sola r panel s o n th e roo f no w

,

2 an d I kno w tha t i t ' s a n optio n

. It ' s no t symboli c

.

3 It ' s mor e tha n tha t

. I t show s u s tha t w e have

4 alternative s

, an d w e nee d t o sto p listenin g t o wha t oil

5 an d ga s i s tellin g u s

, tha t ou r wa y o f lif e wil l com e to

6 a n en d i f w e tr y t o i mprov e ou r ai r qualit y

.

7 S o onc e agai n

, i n closin g

, I jus t wan t to

8 sa y than k yo u fo r givin g u s thi s opportunit y t o speak

,

9 an d I strongl y

, strongl y urg e yo u t o i m pos e a ne w ozone

10 limi t o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n o r eve n bette r

, i f you

11 ca n

. Thank s agai n

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Wendi

.

13 MS

. HAMMON D : M y nam e i s Wend i Hammon d

.

14 I' m a n attorne y tha t represent s nonprofit s throughout

15 ( inaudibl e ) environmenta l issue s

. M y mai n focu s i s air

16 qualit y an d th e renewabl e source s o f energ y

, an d I am

17 her e toda y representin g a grou p calle d Cop s fo r Clean

18 Ai r i n Navarr o Count y

.

19 Cop s fo r Clea n Ai r definitel y support s a

20 .0 6 part s pe r billio n ne w standar d t o b e reduce d t o

. I

21 a m no t goin g t o addres s tha t specificall y

. I ' m goin g to

22 addres s othe r issue s tha t th e EP A requeste d comment s o n

,

23 specificall y regardin g monitorin g change s an d modeling

24 PS D change s

. An d i f I hav e tim e

, I ' l l ge t bac k t o the

25 0. 6 0 ( si c ) part s pe r b illio n

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1 Firs t of f

, o n th e monitorin g

, o n

- - cost

2 fo r clea n ai r i s concerne d abou t som e o f th e vague

3 statement s withi n thi s

- - th e federa l registe r that

4 state s tha t yo u wil l b e providin g mor e flexibilit y to

5 th e lowe r state s t o develo p th e monitorin g plan s fo r the

6 are a

, an d I ' m goin g t o giv e yo u thre e reason s wh y that

7 scare s citizen s i n th e stat e o f Texa s tremendousl y

.

8 Firs t of f

, a U

. S

. Congressma n Jo e Barton

9 ha d aske d a TCE Q commissione r i f havin g mor e monitors

10 wil l probabl y hel p u s solv e ou r DF W are a

- - thi s was

11 bac k i n 200 5

- - 1 9 95

, 2 0 05

. A lon g tim e ag o

. That

12 commissione r wa s unde r oat h an d h e actuall y testified

13 truthfull y an d sai d

, wel l

, o f cours e

, th e more

14 informatio n

, th e bette r

. Bu t no t man y peopl e really

15 wan t t o ad d mor e monitor s becaus e i t jus t show s more

16 problem s

.

17 Goin g t o Eas t Texa s i n 2 00 7

, meetin g with

18 th e loca l regiona l ai r qualit y ou t ther e

, i t wa s a

19 meetin g o f th e loca l group s an d th e powe r plants

20 complainin g abou t th e ai r monitor s i n tha t are a

, and

21 the y wer e lik e

, wel l

, wher e ar e yo u goin g t o c it e i t ?

22 An d th e CO G leade r sai d

, o h

, do n ' t worr y

, we ' r e not

23 goin g t o cit e i t

, it ' s no t goin g se t on e u p wher e i t' s

24 goin g t o hav e mor e problem s

.

25 Th e othe r issu e i s th e exac t grou p tha t ICOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 actuall y represen t

, eve n E P A standard s are n' t good

2 enoug h fo r the m becaus e the y do n ' t requir e a n actual

3 monito r t o b e place d i n Navarr o Count y

. I t i s through

4 th e grou p o f thi s grou p an d pressur e o n th e local

5 electe d officia l stat e representative s tha t actuall y got

6 a n ai r monito r t o b e pu t int o thei r are a

. S o fo r a

7 1, 0 8 0 foo t squar e mil e i n Navarr o Count y

, ther e i s one

8 monito r

. An d everybod y though t

, oh

, wel l

, ther e ' s not

9 goin g t o b e an y violation s there

.

10 Wel l

, th e 2 0 12

, th e thre e

- yea r averag e was

11 7 0 part s pe r billio n

. I n 2 01 3

, i t wa s 7 2 part s per

12 billio n

. I n 2 0 14

, i t wa s 6 8 part s pe r billio n

. S o you

13 ca n se e wh y Navarr o Count y definitel y think s th e current

14 standar d i s no t goo d enoug h

. Ther e ar e peopl e there

15 tha t nee d hel p

, an d a lowe r standar d i s necessar y for

16 it

. Bu t i f yo u provid e th e stat e o f Texa s t o determine

17 th e monitorin g requirement s fo r thi s are a

, yo u ar e not

18 goin g t o b e solvin g problem s

. I t i s jus t goin g t o leave

19 anothe r gapin g hol e ou t ther e tha t wil l no t wor k to

20 clea n ou r ai r

.

21 Anothe r gapin g hol e tha t i s ou t ther e deals

22 wit h P S T permittin g requirement s

. I ' m ver y happ y t o see

23 tha t th e EP A i s startin g t o addres s thi s issu e

. This

24 wa s raise d initiall y bac k i n 2 00 6 an d 2 00 7 i n Texas

25 dealin g wit h coa l fir e powe r plan t permit s

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1 Specificall y i t wa s raise d tha t thes e coa l powere d power

2 plant s emitte d s o muc h emission s tha t th e plum e would

3 trave l severa l distance s an d i m pac t th e D F W

4 no n attainmen t are a

. Bu t accordin g t o th e EP A standard s

,

5 an d sinc e thi s i s a SI P approve d are a

, th e agenc y kept

6 sayin g

, w e do n ' t hav e t o revie w i t

, w e do n ' t hav e to

7 revie w i t

, an d th e permi t applicatio n definitel y does n ' t

8 hav e t o d o anythin g abou t i t a s wel l

.

9 Wha t th e citizen s wer e abl e t o d o wa s they

10 wen t t o cour t an d argue d tha t eve n i f yo u ' r e not

11 require d t o d o it

, i t i s a rebuttabl e presumptio n that

12 yo u wil l no t hav e a n im pac t a t a fa r distanc e

. I t makes

13 absolutel y n o sens e fo r a no n attainmen t demonstration

14 fo r nonattainmen t area s tha t T CE Q ca n tak e credi t fo r a

15 NO x reductio n withi n a 220 0 kilomete r radiu s fro m a

16 no n attainmen t are a o f 2

. 8 ton s fro m th e Alco a plan t

- -

17 powe r plan t i n Roc k dal e

, Texa s t o th e D F W are a bu t not

18 conside r a 1 7. 2 2 t o 4 3. 2 ton s pe r da y NO x in creas e i n a

19 permi t fro m a powe r plan t tha t i s goin g t o b e located

20 eve n close r t o th e D F W are a

.

21 Th e citizen s pu t u p th e money

, ha d a U T

22 professo r actuall y provid e modelin g

, us e i t i n a

23 demonstratio n o f onl y seve n monitorin g day s an d it

24 prove d tha t i t coul d in creas e u p t o 2 part s pe r billion

25 a t on e monito r

. Tha t on e monito r is n' t representativeCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 o f everythin g

. I t wa s jus t a needl e i n a ha y stac k and

2 i t stil l showe d a proble m

.

3 I n conclusio n

, than k yo u fo r lookin g at

4 thes e issue s

, bu t w e nee d i t a lo t mor e stringen t and

5 yo u hav e t o giv e exac t guideline s t o th e stat e o f Texas

6 o f wha t need s t o b e don e

. An d i f yo u ar e goin g t o allow

7 fo r grandfatherin g o f ( inaudibl e ) permittin g

, yo u have

8 t o mak e i t perfectl y clea r tha t th e citizen s ar e allowed

9 t o presen t rebutta l evidenc e tha t ther e i s

, i n fac t

, an

10 im pac t o n a no n attainmen t i n th e ai r qualit y control

11 regio n

. Than k yo u

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

, Wendi

.

13 Nex t u p

, Calvi n Til l ma n an d Christin e Walke r

, pleas e

.

14 MR

. TILLMA N : Than k yo u ver y muc h for

15 listenin g t o m e toda y an d listenin g t o al l this

16 testimon y

. M y nam e' s Calvi n Til l ma n

. I liv e i n Aubre y

,

17 Texas

. I a m a directo r i n a n organizatio n called

18 shell tes t

. or g

, an d I suppor t reducin g th e ozon e limit s

.

19 Shell tes t

. or g provide s environmen t al

20 testin g fo r thos e im pacte d b y oi l an d ga s developmen t

.

21 I n th e shel l tes t arsena l

, w e hav e stat e o f th e ar t air

22 monitorin g equipmen t

, includin g th e ga s fi n de r camera

23 whic h i s mad e b y Clea r

. Th e ga s finde r allow s u s t o see

24 smo g

- producin g volatil e organi c compound s tha t canno t be

25 see n wit h a nake d ey e

. An d thes e ar e routinel y comingCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 fro m oi l an d ga s facilitie s

.

2 Severa l year s ag o

, D r

. Armendare z produced

3 a stud y tha t show s oi l an d ga s developmen t

, produce d as

4 muc h smo g fo r ozon e i s al l th e vehicl e traffi c her e in

5 th e D F W are a

. Tha t wa s late r affirme d b y th e Texas

6 Commissio n o n Environmenta l Qualit y afte r the y initially

7 discounte d tha t stud y

. Sinc e tha t tim e

, th e oi l an d gas

8 activit y her e i n th e Barnet t Shal e ha s approximately

9 double d

. S o th e

- - s o a s th e emission s woul d have

10 in crease d significantl y a s wel l

.

11 An d s o I ' m no t onl y th e

- - a forme r local

12 officia l an d a directo r o f a no n profi t

, bu t I ' m als o a

13

- - an d muc h mor e importantl y

- - a fathe r

. I ' m a father

14 o f a 1 2

- yea r

- ol d so n wh o ha s asthm a

, a so n tha t ' s grown

15 u p her e i n th e DF W are a an d u n fortunatel y onl y get s to

16 breath e clea n ai r wheneve r w e g o o n vacatio n ou t of

17 state

. I fir m l y believ e i n propert y right s an d people

18 shoul d b e abl e t o us e thei r propert y a s the y wish

19 providin g tha t the y do n ' t imped e o n th e right s of

20 other s

.

21 Thos e o f u s tha t ar e livin g her e hav e done

22 ou r shar e o f sacrificin g

, a s yo u ' v e probabl y heard

23 throughou t toda y

. S o i t ' s tim e fo r u s t o shar e the

24 sacrific e an d I urg e yo u t o lowe r th e standard s to

25 protec t th e healt h an d welfar e o f ou r futur e whic h isCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 ou r childre n

. Than k yo u

.

2 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Christin e

.

3 MS

. WALKE R : Goo d evenin g

. M y nam e is

4 Christin e Walke r

, an d I liv e i n Gran d Prairi e

. I a m a

5 boar d certifie d nurs e executiv e wit h ove r eigh t year s of

6 pediatri c experienc e a t Coo k' s Childre n ' s Medica l Center

7 i n For t Wort h

. I hav e ove r 2 0 year s experienc e in

8 pediatri c emergenc y departmen t ( inaudibl e ) registered

9 nurs e professiona l

. I hav e a Maste r ' s degre e i n nursing

10 a s wel l a s a Maste r ' s degre e i n busines s

, an d I ' m

11 currentl y pursuin g m y doctora l progra m i n nursing

12 practic e

.

13 Mor e tha n an y licens e o r certificatio n I

14 hav e

, I stan d befor e yo u toda y th e mothe r o f an

15 asthmati c chil d

. I a m her e toda y t o represen t th e views

16 o f th e emergenc y nurse s

, healt h car e provider s

, nurse

17 educator s

, researcher s

, an d parent s wh o ar e greatly

18 concerne d abou t clea n ai r fo r ou r patient s an d familie s

.

19 Approximatel y 7 millio n childre n an d ove r 1 7 million

20 ( inaudibl e ) i n th e Unite d State s hav e asthm a

. Durin g an

21 asthm a episod e

, th e airway s constric t

, the y become

22 swolle n

, th e ches t feel s tigh t

, an d i t i s difficul t to

23 breath e

.

24 Ther e wer e nearl y 2 millio n emergency

25 departmen t visit s i n 20 0 7 attribute d t o asthm a episode s

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1 Th e C D C i n 2 00 7 state d tha t th e annua l cos t o f asthm a in

2 th e Unite d State s wa s mor e tha n $ 5 3 billio n

. Asthma

3 episode s kee p ou r childre n a wa y fro m schoo l accounting

4 fo r 1 0

. 5 millio n los t schoo l day s i n 2 0 08

. Childre n who

5 mis s schoo l suffe r academicall y

. B y middl e an d high

6 schoo l

, chroni c absenc e i s a n indicato r tha t the

7 student s wil l dro p ou t

. I t does n ' t matte r i f the

8 absenc e i s excuse d o r u n excuse d

. Missin g school

9 represent s los s tim e i n th e classroo m whic h negatively

10 im pact s academi c achievemen t

.

11 Childre n fac e specia l risk s fro m air

12 pollutio n becaus e thei r lung s ar e stil l developin g

, and

13 s o the y ar e mor e susceptibl e t o th e damag e

. The y are

14 ofte n outdoor s fo r longe r period s o f tim e

, an d the y are

15 usuall y playin g har d wit h thei r friend s i n creasin g the

16 amoun t o f pollute d ai r the y inhal e

. Researc h ha s found

17 tha t teenager s wh o gre w u p i n mor e pollute d area s faced

18 increase d ris k o f under develope d lungs

. Thi s dro p in

19 lun g functio n demonstrate d a simila r i m pac t a s growing

20 u p i n a hom e wit h parent s wh o smoke d

.

21 Childre n rel y o n u s

. Ou r childre n are

22 relyin g o n yo u a s adult s an d parent s t o creat e the

23 environmen t i n whic h the y liv e

. The y ar e un a war e o f the

24 threat s t o thei r healt h an d the y rel y o n u s t o protect

25 the m an d creat e a health y environmen t

. A s a pediatricCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 nurse

, I hav e see n firsthan d tha t asthm a episode s can

2 kil l childre n

, an d w e shoul d d o everythin g i n ou r power

3 t o minimiz e thi s ris k

. Th e C D C report s tha t nin e people

4 di e fro m asthm a ever y da y whic h i s ove r a 32 0 0 peopl e a

5 yea r

. Researc h studie s hav e show n ther e i s a

6 relationshi p betwee n ozon e exposur e an d mortalit y

, and

7 thi s i s witnesse d b y emergenc y departmen t nurse s and

8 healt h car e provider s ever y da y nationwid e

.

9 Th e ai r qualit y standard s mus t no t only

10 protec t th e averag e health y individua l bu t mus t be

11 stron g enoug h t o protec t th e vulnerabl e po pulation s that

12 canno t stan d fo r themselve s suc h a s ou r childre n

, older

13 adult s

, an d thos e wit h lun g diseas e

. A s a nurs e leader

14 an d a paren t o f a n asthmati c chil d

, I a m advocatin g for

15 th e mos t protectiv e standar d unde r consideratio n o f 6 0

16 part s pe r billio n

. Thi s i s a publi c healt h issu e

.

17 Poo r ai r qualit y threaten s ou r community

18 healt h

, especiall y thos e mos t vulnerabl e lik e our

19 childre n an d ou r grandparent s

. Ou r communit y deserves

20 t o breath e clea n ai r

. Ou r childre n shoul d b e abl e to

21 pla y outsid e withou t fea r tha t i t i s harmin g their

22 lungs

, withou t th e ris k tha t i t ma y lea d t o a sta y in

23 th e hospita l

. Parent s shoul d no t hav e t o hav e app s o n

24 thei r phone s alertin g the m t o a re d ai r da y s o tha t they

25 hav e t o chang e thei r picni c pla n s t o indoo r sport s inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 orde r t o minimiz e th e ris k t o a n asthm a episod e

. I

2 shoul d no t hav e t o tel l m y chil d tha t h e canno t rid e his

3 bicycl e t o schoo l toda y wit h hi s friend s becaus e th e air

4 i s to o dangerou s fo r hi m

.

5 A s a nurs e an d a mothe r

, I a m callin g on

6 th e E P A t o se t th e mos t protectiv e healt h standar d o f 6 0

7 part s pe r billio n fo r ozon e tha t wil l protec t our

8 communit y an d th e vulnerabl e peopl e wh o liv e i n it

. Our

9 childre n ar e countin g o n yo u

.

10 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, w e would

11 lik e t o invit e u p Tan e War d an d Rit a Bevin g

, pleas e

.

12 MS

. BEVIN G : Goo d evenin g

. M y nam e i s Rita

13 Bevin g

. I' m th e conservatio n coac h her e o f th e Dallas

14 Sierr a Clu b

, an d I ' m als o a forme r membe r o f th e North

15 Texa s Clea n Ai r Steerin g Committe e whe n tha t wa s in

16 existenc e whe n official s stil l ha d th e wherewitha l to

17 eve n hav e a committe e

. I ver y muc h applau d E P A o n its

18 newl y pr o pose d ozon e standard s

, an d I woul d fully

19 suppor t a n ozon e standar d o f 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

20 Le t ' s examin e toda y wh y we ' r e her e

. In

21 20 1 1

, accordin g t o th e Dalla s Mornin g New s Austin

22 Burea u

, Texa s w a s numbe r on e i n NO x

, numbe r on e i n CO 2

,

23 numbe r on e i n mercur y

, V OC s

, an d particulate s

. W e also

24 ha d th e grea t distinguishin g hono r o f bein g th e number

25 on e stat e fo r thos e lackin g healt h insuranc e

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1 th e horro r o f thos e parent s an d th e childre n tha t ha d to

2 endur e th e ozon e day s durin g 2 01 1

.

3 S o i n Apri l 20 1 4

, Texa s Im pac t an d the

4 Texa s Tribun e pu t ou t a n articl e calle d Texa s Pollution

5 Worsen s a s Budge t Shrink s

. An d t o m e

, thi s i s th e why

6 w e nee d E P A t o se t th e standar d a t 6 0 part s pe r billio n

.

7 I n th e yea r 20 1 1

, th e Texa s legislatur e cu t th e TCEQ

8 budge t b y 3 0 percen t an d it s wor k forc e b y 8 percen t

.

9 Ye t

, i f yo u loo k a t th e emission s betwee n 201 1 an d 201 2

,

10 thos e emission s jumpe d b y 2 3 percen t

. Whe n th e 20 13

11 legislato r rolle d aroun d

, littl e wa s change d a s fa r as

12 financin g th e stat e agenc y fo r budge t standard s

.

13 S o a s w e kno w

, i n th e yea r tha t followed

14 tha t

, afte r 20 1 1 an d '1 2 wher e emission s jumped

15 2 3 percen t

, i n 20 1 2

, thos e toxi c emission s i n crease d by

16 1 4 percen t

, an d i n 2 0 13

, jumpe d anothe r 2

. 7 percent

17 accordin g t o th e T CE Q ' s repor t th e Texa s legislative

18 budge t boar d

. A s w e al l kno w

, th e TCE Q ha s faile d to

19 hav e th e politica l wil l an d th e financia l capabilit y of

20 doin g it s jo b

.

21 A s someon e wh o ' s worke d o n th e Nort h Texas

22 Clea n Ai r Steerin g Committe e sinc e th e '9 0 s wit h failed

23 SI P afte r faile d SI P

, thi s i s wh y w e nee d th e E P A to

24 ste p i n wit h th e 6 0 pp b standar d becaus e tha t ' s th e only

25 wa y thi s agenc y wil l b e force d t o mov e th e footbal l inCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 thi s particula r stat e

. I jus t wan t t o giv e yo u an

2 exampl e

. I n on e o f th e year s tha t I serve d o n th e North

3 Texa s Clea n Ai r Steerin g Committe e whic h ha s been

4 di s solve d becaus e ther e ar e n o official s tha t n o longer

5 wan t t o serv e o n tha t econom y t o hav e th e TC E Q hijack

6 th e proces s an d giv e u s anothe r faile d SI P

, on e yea r

,

7 Margare t Kellehe r

, a Republica n count y judg e heade d that

8 committe e

. W e ha d a cemen t kil n su b committe e o f that

9 grou p tha t I serve d o n wit h Ji m ( inaudibl e ) o f Down

10 Winter s a t Ris k

, Gre g Coo k I believ e wa s als o o n that

11 committe e an d other s

.

12 A t tha t tim e

, Judg e Kellehe r pr o pose d that

13 w e tr y an d hel p th e cemen t kiln s i n Midlothia n finance

14 ne w pollutio n technolog y t o hel p thos e kiln s clea n up

15 an d prov e tha t i t coul d b e don e despit e th e Portland

16 Cemen t Association s suggestio n tha t i t woul d no t wor k

.

17 I t wa s th e citizen s tha t brough t t o th e attentio n o f the

18 committe e tha t th e ne w pollutio n control s wer e already

19 workin g i n German y an d Ital y

. Ye t whe n Margaret

20 Kellehe r suggeste d tha t w e ge t financin g fo r th e cement

21 kiln s t o b e abl e t o tr y thi s ne w pollutio n control

22 technolog y

, the y stil l fough t th e committe e toot h and

23 nai l becaus e the y kne w i f w e ha d SC R o r S N CR

, i t would

24 se t preceden t acros s th e countr y an d al l cemen t kilns

25 migh t b e force d t o adop t tha t technolog y

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1 S o i n closin g

, tha t i s wh y w e nee d yo u at

2 th e E P A t o hel p u s jus t lik e w e nee d yo u t o hel p u s on

3 th e haz e rul e becaus e w e hav e ha d dirt y coa l plant s

,

4 dirt y cemen t kiln s

, a lac k o f politica l wil l an d a lack

5 o f th e financin g b y whic h t o forc e ou r stat e agenc y to

6 d o thei r jo b

. Than k yo u

.

7 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

8 DR

. WAR D : Goo d evenin g

. M y nam e is

9 Dr

. Tan e War d

. I represen t a n organizatio n called

10 ( inaudibl e ) whic h work s wit h nativ e peopl e acros s the

11 America s t o im prov e thei r tie s t o thei r lan d

. I also

12 wor k wit h th e Sierr a Clu b an d I' m a fathe r

. I have

13 extende d famil y al l ove r thi s countr y an d Mexic o as

14 wel l

.

15 An d I wan t t o tal k t o yo u

- al l about

16 approvin g th e 6 0 part s pe r billio n standar d becaus e this

17 i s somethin g

- - wha t w e nee d

, no t onl y fo r al l o f the

18 man y reason s tha t peopl e hav e s ai d i n term s o f helping

19 peopl e ' s healt h

, bu t reall y

, i t bring s u s t o a concept

20 o f justic e

. I t reall y speak s t o th e value s tha t I carry

21 an d I believ e tha t thi s countr y need s t o uphol d

. At

22 eve n 7 0 part s pe r billio n

, a health y grow n ma n lik e me

23 ca n breath e wel l

, bu t whe n w e star t lookin g a t these

24 part s pe r billio n an d th e wa y tha t i t a ffect s the

25 breathin g o f th e elderl y

, o f peopl e wit h illnesse s

, ofCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 childre n

, an d especiall y wit h infant s

, w e se e tha t it ' s

2 muc h mor e damagin g t o thes e peopl e

.

3 Thos e wh o hav e th e leas t powe r ar e th e most

4 a ffecte d b y thes e sensitiv e rule s

. Thi s i s a n issu e of

5 justic e becaus e

- - als o th e peopl e wh o oppos e th e strong

6 hol d

, th e energ y companie s

, ar e doin g s o becaus e i t ' s in

7 thei r ow n financia l interes t

, an d th e T CE Q ha s been

8 appointe d b y politician s wh o ar e receivin g million s and

9 million s o f dollar s whic h i s al l ope n publi c record

10 comin g fro m th e sam e corporation s tha t ar e benefitting

11 fro m no t havin g t o clea n u p thei r dirt y ai r

.

12 No w

, I do n' t hav e million s o f dollar s

.

13 Mos t peopl e do n ' t hav e million s o f dollar s t o giv e to

14 thes e politician s

, an d tha t ' s anothe r i n justic e tha t' s

15 happenin g

. Thos e wit h th e mos t ar e havin g th e most

16 influenc e o n ou r governmen t an d ou r decisio n maker s

, and

17 thos e wit h th e leas t hav e th e leas t powe r t o mak e these

18 decision s

. S o we ' r e seein g tha t in justic e i s cutting

19 severa l way s int o th e wa y tha t w e liv e

, an d yo u ca n ' t

20 tak e a wa y peopl e ' s asthm a

. Ther e ' s n o wa y t o d o tha t

.

21 It ' s i mpossibl e

. Yo u ca n' t d e asthm a fy

. Al l yo u ca n do

22 i s pr e ven t

.

23 An d righ t no w

, w e hav e th e opportunit y to

24 pr e ven t mor e peopl e fro m havin g asthm a

, an d w e hav e an

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1 brin g u p ou r value s an d th e wa y tha t w e liv e an d th e way

2 tha t w e trea t eac h othe r

, an d I implor e yo u t o us e the

3 stronges t standard s possibl e wit h th e understandin g that

4 thos e ar e th e standard s tha t stac k ou r peopl e

, our

5 cultur e

, ou r countr y toward s justic e

. Than k yo u

.

6 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t

, Sharon

7 Ritchi e an d Terenc e Thor n

, pleas e

.

8 MR

. THOR N : I' m no t Sharo n

.

9 MR

. NIEBLIN G : I wa s guessin g a s

- - wel l

,

10 i f yo u 'r e read y

.

11 MR

. THOR N : Yea h

, I' m read y

.

12 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Procee d

.

13 MR

. THOR N : I' m a littl e confuse d

. My

14 agend a sai d drink s wil l b e serve d a t 7 : 00

.

15 MR

. NIEBLIN G : There ' s a wate r fountai n out

16 there

.

17 MR

. THOR N : I' m Terr y Thor n

. I' m a board

18 membe r representin g her e toda y Ai r Allianc e Housto n

.

19 We ' r e a n ai r qualit y publi c healt h advocac y grou p tha t ' s

20 bee n aroun d fo r abou t 2 5 year s

, an d we ' v e worke d very

21 har d o n th e healt h i m pact s o f ai r pollutio n and

22 particularl y ozon e i n th e Housto n are a

. W e' r e goin g to

23 fil e som e testimon y fo r th e recor d

.

24 M y backgroun d i s a littl e bi t different

25 tha n wha t yo u' v e hear d toda y

. Thi s mark s m y 40 t h yearCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 i n th e oi l an d ga s

. I' v e bee n a CE O

, I 'v e bee n the

2 chie f environmenta l office r o f A Fortu n e 1 0 0 compan y

.

3 I' v e als o worke d o n si x continent s buildin g powe r plants

4 an d pipeline s

, an d I ' v e worke d wit h engineer s wh o have

5 solve d abou t ever y proble m throw n a t the m al l ove r the

6 world

. An d ou r attitud e i n th e busines s sid e o f the

7 industr y

, an d I hat e t o se e th e industr y lik e w e 've

8 see n

, i s on e o f a ca n d o attitud e an d on e o f continuous

9 im provemen t

.

10 It ' s fascinate d m e tha t w e mov e ove r t o the

11 environmenta l complianc e sid e

. Th e ca n d o attitude

12 change s t o a ca n' t d o attitud e

, an d I jus t do n' t ge t i t

.

13 Yo u 'v e ha d a n interestin g da y

. Yo u ' r e no w e x pert s in

14 th e famou s Texa s danc e fo r tw o ste p

. W e cal l i t the

15 regulator y tw o ste p her e

. Yo u ca n pictur e thi s ha s been

16 goin g o n no w fo r decade s

. Th e bea t i s slo w

, slo w

,

17 quick

, quic k

, a s yo u mov e acros s th e danc e floo r

, and

18 yo u ca n pictur e th e regulator s movin g acros s th e dance

19 floo r starin g a t thei r fee t repeatin g th e cos t benefit

20 i s no t ther e

, th e scienc e i s wron g

, an d yo u ca n have

21 clea n ai r

, o r yo u ca n hav e a jo b

. Tha t ' s no t goin g to

22 chang e

.

23 I mak e thi s poin t simpl y tha t it ' s been

24 sai d 2 0 time s toda y

, Texa s wil l onl y d o wha t federa l law

25 minimu m require s

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1 afte r the y' v e exhauste d ever y possibl e appea l proces s

.

2 Tha t' s a sa d

, sa d stor y an d a bi g surpris e fo r m e

. I

3 wan t t o shif t gear s fo r a secon d an d tal k abou t a small

4 tow n sout h o f her e tha t som e peopl e ma y no t hav e heard

5 o f calle d Housto n

, an d tha t ' s bee n m y primar y concer n

.

6 Housto n ha s neve r me t a n ozon e standar d

. Tha t' s th e bad

7 new s

. Th e goo d new s i s w e hav e steadil y reduce d ozone

8 pollutio n sinc e th e 1 97 0 s

.

9 We ' v e don e tha t mainl y becaus e o f the

10 Housto n ( inaudibl e ) no n attainmen t pla n

, w e 'v e don e that

11 wit h usin g th e curren t SI P

. S o w e hav e empirical

12 evidenc e tha t thes e type s o f regulation s wor k

. It ' s

13 bee n a goo d experienc e

. No w

, m y grou p i s closely

14 lookin g a t som e ne w researc h devic e showin g a n i n crease

15 o f cardia c arres t an d asthm a relate d t o ozon e i n crease s

.

16 Becaus e o f tha t

, wha t w e looke d a t ther e

, we ' ve

17 conclude d tha t w e hav e t o suppor t an d wil l suppor t the

18 6 0 part s ne w standar d

. I suppor t thi s a s a businessma n

.

19 It ' s m y oi l an d ga s industr y becaus e m y experienc e has

20 bee n tha t incrementall y im provin g thing s ofte n costs

21 mor e tha n onc e an d fo r al l solvin g a proble m

.

22 S o yo u g o dow n a fe w part s thi s yea r

, then

23 te n year s a fe w part s

, an d spen d mor e mone y

, attac k this

24 proble m an d ( inaudibl e ) th e sam e thing

. Th e othe r thing

25 tha t i s kin d o f uniqu e t o Housto n i s tha t w e hav e toCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 develo p a pla n tha t addresse s bot h NO x an d V O Cs

. Yo u ' ve

2 probabl y see n i n th e simila r studie s tha t say s tha t NOx

3 coul d caus e mor e ozon e i n Housto n an d w e reall y need

4 guidanc e fro m E P A t o wor k wit h u s

, no t jus t i n Houston

5 bu t i n th e stat e o n thi s combine d approac h

. I mea n

, we

6 jus t hav e t o tackl e i t i n tha t wa y

.

7 S o le t m e summariz e quickl y

. On e

, onl y a

8 stron g rul e wil l pr o pe l actio n i n Texa s

. Secondl y

,

9 yo u 'v e go t t o tel l the m wha t t o d o an d whe n t o d o i t and

10 tha t shift s th e conversatio n t o th e righ t peopl e

.

11 Tha t' s th e engineer s ar e goin g t o hav e t o solv e these

12 problem s

. Onc e w e ge t i t t o tha t leve l

, the y wil l do

13 it

. Ou r experienc e i n Housto n ha s show n tha t the y will

14 d o tha t

.

15 Fourt h

, no w w e nee d you r hel p

, a s I

16 mentione d o n thi s combine d approac h o n th e NO x an d VO C s

.

17 An d numbe r fiv e i s

, wil l somebod y pleas e ope n th e ba r

.

18 Than k yo u ver y muc h

.

19 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u ver y muc h

. W e 're

20 gettin g clos e t o tha t poin t

. Nex t u p

, Ki m Limber g and

21 Dwayn e Quertermou s

.

22 TH E REPORTE R : I thin k tha t mik e i s off

23 again

.

24 MS

. LIMBER G : M y nam e i s Ki m Limber g

. I' m

25 a residen t o f Irvin g

, Texa s

, an d I' m her e representingCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 mysel f a s a residen t an d i n thi s Nort h Texa s are a

. And

2 als o i n a cit y tha t happen s t o b e th e epicente r o f the

3 lates t eart h quak e storm

. I jus t hear d abou t this

4 hearin g

, an d I though t i t woul d b e a goo d tim e fo r m e to

5 com e an d sa y a fe w word s

.

6 Wha t w e' r e experiencin g i n Irvin g sounds

7 somewha t lik e th e kindergarte n son g

, a fra ck

, fra c k here

8 an d a fra ck

, fra c k ther e

, her e a frack

, ther e a frack

,

9 every wher e a frac k

, frac k

, her e a quak e

, ther e a quak e

,

10 everywher e a quak e

, quak e

. W e hav e probabl e cause

, I

11 think

, t o investigat e t o investigat e well s an d hydraulic

12 frackin g itsel f an d wha t kin d o f soi l an d water

13 pollutio n tha t it ' s causin g

. Bu t I ' v e go t t o sa y

, I

14 do n ' t reall y fee l confiden t tha t ou r loca l o r state

15 official s hav e an y intentio n t o d o tha t

.

16 Alread y befor e an y studie s hav e begu n

, our

17 loca l officia l callin g i t natura l i n th e medi a an d our

18 Texa s Railroa d Commissio n seismologis t alread y declared

19 i t ha d nothin g t o d o befor e an y stud y ha s begun

. No w

, a

20 neighbo r re centl y sai d

- - forwarde d m e informatio n that

21 severa l studie s hav e bee n don e throughou t th e country

22 alread y linkin g a disposa l wel l an d earthquake s

.

23 Caldwel l

, Kansa s

, Ohi o

- - no t Ohi o

- - Oklahom a

. And

24 eve n i n D FW

, the y supposedl y close d a coupl e o f wells

,

25 th e nort h en d o f D F W airpor t

, hal f o f whic h propertyCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 lie s

. Th e easter n hal f lie s i n th e cit y limit s

.

2 Bu t I did n' t kno w ther e wer e 1 8, 00 0 gas

3 well s i n th e Barnet t Shal e wes t o f Irvin g u p t o Irvin g

,

4 an d I ca n ' t

- - wit h al l th e disposa l well s an d mayb e a

5 fe w 5

, 00 0 o r s o takin g al l tha t wast e flui d at

6 4. 5 millio n gallon s pe r 1 8

- - thos e 18

, 00 0

- - eac h of

7 thos e 18

, 00 0 ga s well s

, tha t' s a lo t o f concentrated

8 pressur e ejecte d a t thos e spo t location s an d the

9 seismologis t fro m SM U wh o smok e a t ou r cit y council

10 briefin g sai d i t wa s compressio n pressur e change s that

11 cause d th e line s t o mov e

.

12 S o we ' r e nex t t o th e ( inaudibl e ) fal l zon e

,

13 an d I do n ' t thin k we ' r e righ t o n it

. The y 'r e tryin g to

14 investigat e clos e t o wher e th e ep i center s migh t be

, but

15 rathe r tha n re i n ven t th e whee l a hundre d time s and

16 throughou t ever y loca l e tha t ha s thi s proble m

, I wan t to

17 as k tha t th e federa l EP A loo k seriousl y a t th e effects

18 o f hydrauli c fracturin g an d di s po sa l wel l s o tha t we

19 do n ' t hav e t o spen d a lo t o f mone y locall y an d statewide

20 ove r an d ove r t o figh t th e sam e figh t t o c om e t o the

21 sam e conclusio n eventuall y afte r a lo t o f damag e is

22 don e

.

23 W e hav e experience d damag e

, an d tha t ' s

24 anothe r reaso n tha t give s m e paus e t o hav e confidenc e in

25 loca l governmen t t o d o somethin g becaus e the y keepCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 reportin g t o th e medi a tha t ther e ' s littl e o r n o damag e

.

2 I cal l e d fo r record s fro m th e Cit y an d w e hav e 1

, 050

3 break s i n th e pas t tw o year s

. Ou r earthquak e started

4 Hallowee n

, Octobe r 3 1 st

, 200 8

, an d the y hav e in creased

5 significantl y i n th e las t tw o years

, an d the n w e have

6 th e swar m

. I believ e i t wa s earl y Januar y

, 1 2 quake s in

7 2 4 hours

. S o w e' v e experience d no w 3. 3

, 3 .5

, an d 3

. 6

8 sinc e Novembe r 22 n d t o th e presen t

. Th e quake s are

9 gettin g stronge r

. Th e damag e t o our s i s no t jus t water

10 mai n break s

.

11 No t al l o f tha t 1

, 05 0 ar e directl y quake

12 relate d

. W e hav e movin g soi l

, bu t tha t als o coul d be

13 becaus e i t' s par t o f th e quake s

, bu t yea h

, I estimated

14 abou t 2 0 percen t whe n I aligne d th e date s o f th e quakes

15 a t a brea k poin t o f tw o t o thre e week s fo r eac h quak e to

16 th e date s o f al l th e wate r mai n break s

, an d w e' r e going

17 g o furthe r an d stud y t o som e period s wher e ther e ' s no

18 quak e tim e fram e t o se e wha t kin d o f i m pac t tha t i s

.

19 Bu t w e hav e wate r mai n break s

, sewe r lin e mai n break s

,

20 ( inaudibl e )

, thre e wate r mai n break s an d fiv e sewe r and

21 roa d wa y subsid e wher e th e l i ne s separat e fro m each

22 other

. S o i f you r tir e get s caugh t

, yo u ca n vee r t o one

23 wa y o r th e othe r int o a n opposin g adjacen t lan e

. So

24 the y ha d t o fi x thos e

.

25 W e hav e significan t infr a structur e builtCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 righ t aroun d th e stadiu m are a wher e ( inaudibl e ) on

2 reall y hig h 30

- foo t column s o f separat e d freewa y

. So

3 there ' s a lo t a t stak e

. Th e hous e

- - crack s i n housin g

,

4 an d min e ha s 2 0 pier s o f foundatio n re pai r i n 2 0 11

, and

5 thes e ar e al l ne w crack s sinc e tha t wa s stabilize d

,

6 plumbin g leaks

. An d anothe r concer n i s

- - whic h also

7 lead s t o environmenta l protectio n assistanc e neede d is

8 trans missio n pipeline s fo r oi l an d ga s tha t g o through

9 Irvin g throug h neighborhood s t o D F W airpor t

, an d I

10 believ e ther e i s som e damag e t o thos e an d already

11 leakin g int o th e soi l

, s o w e nee d E P A' s hel p

.

12 W e nee d somebod y t o loo k a t al l thi s i m pact

13 ver y quickl y

, no t wast e an y tim e

. An d i f w e coul d have

14 a nationa l ba n

, tha t woul d probabl y b e th e bes t solution

15 s o w e do n ' t hav e t o kee p fightin g th e figh t

. Bu t a s far

16 a s th e ozon e

, whateve r yo u ca n d o t o hel p th e air

17 qualit y

. An d lowerin g th e threshol d t o 6 0

, I support

18 tha t i f i t' s goin g t o d o anythin g t o i m prov e air

19 qualit y

. I ' d

- - I

, lik e othe r parent s

, w e 'r e concerned

20 abou t lettin g childre n pla y outsid e i n th e summe r

. You

21 kno w

, the y' r e ou t o f schoo l durin g th e summe r

, an d we

22 lik e t o hav e the m outsid e

, bu t w e ca n' t

. W e hav e to

23 think

, o h

, n o

, mayb e it ' s no t goo d fo r you r healt h

.

24 An d I coul d g o o n an d o n abou t othe r things

25 bu t I thin k

- - doe s tha t mea n m y tim e i s u p ? Than k yo u

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1 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

.

2 MR

. QUERTERMOU S : Al l righ t

. M y nam e is

3 Dwayn e Quertermou s

. I liv e i n Arlingto n

, Texas

. I ' m

4 th e Vic e Chai r fo r th e Lon e Sta r Chapte r fo r th e Sierra

5 Clu b

. S o plent y o f th e speaker s toda y hav e talke d about

6 th e healt h effect s o f smo g an d som e o f th e more

7 technica l d e tail s o f th e differen t standard s whether

8 the y b e 6 0 o r 7 0 part s pe r billio n

. Bu t I ' d lik e to

9 concentrat e o n som e o f th e

- - a littl e bi t abou t the

10 economic s

.

11 S o jus t on e exampl e o f th e economi c cos t of

12 smo g i s tha t a decad e ag o

, it ' s fro m 2 0 0 2 t o 20 0 7

, the

13 averag e cos t o f asthm a t o ou r econom y wa s $ 330 0 per

14 perso n pe r yea r wh o ha d asthm a

. No w

, thi s cos t i s born

15 b y th e publi c

, th e peopl e wh o hav e i t themselve s and

16 thei r familie s

. I t' s bor n b y th e busines s

, businesses

17 tha t emplo y the m tha t pa y fo r thei r healt h car e and

18 provid e th e healt h plan s tha t the y us e

.

19 S o on e o f th e excuse s fo r keepin g th e stand

20

- - no t lowerin g th e standard s t o 6 0 o r 7 0 t o 6 5 i s that

21 it ' s pr o busines s t o kee p the m becaus e i t' s goin g t o cost

22 th e busines s mone y

. Bu t lowerin g th e standar d to

23 6 0 part s pe r billio n woul d sav e th e publi c and

24 businesse s billion s o f dollar s a yea r

, an d thos e savings

25 woul d hel p stimulat e th e econom y

, becaus e pe r

- - a lotCOLLINS REALTIM E REPORTING

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1 o f

- - mos t o f th e employer s

, mos t o f th e businesse s

,

2 the y do n ' t reall y benefi t fro m lo w smo g standard s

.

3 The y' r e no t savin g mone y becaus e the y' r e no t

, yo u kno w

,

4 becaus e the y 'r e no t a dirt y coa l plan t o r other

5 pollutin g industr y

.

6 S o th e E P A shoul d no t favo r th e bottom

7 line s o f a fe w dirt y pollutin g industrie s ove r the

8 botto m lin e s o f th e publi c an d th e vas t majorit y of

9 businesse s i n thi s countr y

. Pleas e ( inaudibl e ) both

10 morall y righ t fo r publi c healt h an d woul d actually

11 benefi t th e vas t majorit y o f businesse s an d dro p this

12 standar d t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n

. Tha t ' s th e on e that

13 healt h

- - th e curren t scienc e o n healt h say s it ' s the

14 mos t beneficia l

, an d it ' s th e on e tha t

- - yo u kno w

, i t ' s

15 ver y easil y me t b y curren t technolog y

.

16 Som e businesse s ar e goin g t o hav e t o pay

17 fo r thei r

- - fo r th e cos t o f i t

, bu t i f the y ' r e not

18 goin g t o pa y fo r tha t cos t

, the n othe r peopl e

- - the

19 publi c an d othe r businesse s ar e goin g t o pa y fo r the

20 cos t o f the m no t complyin g

. An d ove r al l

, i t cos t s our

21 econom y mor e t o kee p th e highe r standard s

. S o i t' s no

22 pr o busines s

, i t ' s n o pr o keepin g

, yo u kno w

, a healthy

23 econom y t o hav e a highe r standar d

. Th e lowe r standards

24 tha t actuall y hel p th e econom y mor e an d hel p businesses

25 mor e

. Than k yo u

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1 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. Nex t u p

, Ji m my

2 Hosc h an d Rober t Vaugh n

. I f w e coul d jus t hav e on e of

3 yo u

- - i f Sharo n Ritchi e i s her e

, w e ca n invit e Sharon

4 u p on e mor e tim e

.

5 MR

. HOSC H : M y nam e i s Jimm y Hosc h

. I live

6 i n Dalla s

, Texa s

. I wa s bor n an d raise d i n Wichita

7 Falls

. Traine d a s a n analytica l chemis t

. I ' m a P h .D

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8 an d a chemis t

, s o I a m th e scientis t

, an d I wan t t o tell

9 yo u tha t I appreciat e th e scienc e

- - th e goo d science

10 tha t th e EP A doe s

, an d I rea d som e o f

- - no t al l o f

- -

11 th e thing s yo u pu t ou t

, an d I understan d the m

. I

12 wholeheartedl y suppor t th e

- - you r proposa l fo r a 6 0

13 part s pe r billio n ozon e regulatio n

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14 Th e fac t tha t yo u hav e steadil y don e your

15 jo b

, se t th e standard s

, i s th e reaso n w e hav e th e clean

16 ai r w e hav e today

. I 'v e ha d th e privileg e o f goin g to

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, China

. The y do n' t hav e a n EP A

, an d yo u ca n see

18 th e differenc e

. Yo u do n ' t hav e t o jus t smel l i t

. You

19 hav e hear d toda y a wealt h o f reason s wh y yo u shoul d do

20 thi s an d reason s wh y Texa s regulator s do n ' t d o their

21 jo b

. I ca n ' t ad d t o tha t

, bu t I ca n tel l yo u a couple

22 o f persona l storie s abou t th e peopl e wh o elec t those

23 official s

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24 I' m goin g t o tal k abou t m y relative s

. I

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. W e go t t o g o ou t to

2 th e ri g on e da y an d se e ho w th e oi l wa s drille d

. I t was

3 im pressiv e

. Lot s o f bi g equipmen t

, kid s ' eye s wer e as

4 bi g a s saucer s

. W e go t t o th e mu d pi t

, explaine d ho w he

5 jus t du g a hol e i n th e groun d wit h a bulldoze r

, ru n that

6 mu d i n ther e

, an d tha t' s th e wa y i t worke d

. I looked

7 aroun d an d I sa w

, wel l

, wha t' s i n tha t barre l

, Uncle

8 Lloyd ? O h

, wel l

, tha t' s th e othe r chemica l yo u ad d to

9 th e mu d

. Wel l

, wha t d o yo u d o wit h tha t whe n yo u' r e all

10 don e wit h i t ? Oh

, yo u jus t thro w i t of f o f

- - thro w it

11 al l i n th e mu d pi t

, cove r i t u p wit h a bulldoze r

, move

12 o n t o th e nex t sit e

. I sai d

, wel l

, i s tha t th e way

13 yo u 'r e suppose d t o d o i t ? H e say s

, i f yo u do n' t get

14 caugh t

, i t' s oka y

.

15 Tha t attitud e permeate s Texas

. Tha t i s the

16 attitud e tha t say s

, yo u ' r e no t goin g t o tel l m e wha t to

17 do

. An d tha t' s wh y thes e peopl e hav e bee n beggin g you

18 t o pleas e continu e t o d o you r jo b o f settin g standard s

.

19 Anythin g yo u ca n d o t o pu t teet h i n thos e standard s

, do

20 tha t

, becaus e m y uncl e wa s no t goin g t o d o wha t he

21 did n' t

- - wha t h e was n' t force d t o d o i f i t did n ' t make

22 hi m mone y

.

23 I wa s hearin g a woma n explainin g how

24 in convenien t i t wa s tha t sh e ha d t o tak e of f wor k to

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, an d I looke d he r i n th e ey e

, an d I sai d

, wel l

,

2 wha t d o yo u expec t ? Yo u 'r e haulin g hi m ther e an d back

3 i n th e bigges t SU V yo u ca n bu y

. An d I thin k th e best

4 explanatio n i s sh e looke d a t m e lik e a pi g look s a t a

5 clock

. Sh e ha d absolutel y n o understandin g tha t what

6 sh e wa s doin g individuall y ha d anythin g wha t soeve r t o do

7 wit h he r so n havin g asthm a

. Th e dept h an d breadt h of

8 ignoranc e i n Texa s take s you r breat h a wa y

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9 S o m y plea d t o yo u i s continu e th e good

10 wor k yo u ' v e bee n doin g

. Than k yo u fro m th e botto m o f my

11 heart

. I reall y appreciat e th e E PA

. An d pleas e drop

12 tha t standar d t o 6 0 part s pe r billio n an d mak e i t stic k

.

13 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

. No w i f John

14 Burto n

, Rober t Vaugh n

, o r Sharo n Ritchi e ar e presen t

,

15 we ' l l tak e an y o f yo u

. Ar e yo u Joh n ?

16 MR

. BURTO N : D o I g o u p her e ?

17 MR

. NIEBLIN G : Yea h

, pleas e

.

18 MR

. BURTO N : I woul d jus t lik e t o sa y that

19 it ' s ver y importan t t o hav e a goo d qualit y o f lif e

. And

20 I' m onl y her e

- - i t wa s ver y stressfu l becaus e ther e' s a

21 lo t o f traffi c an d thing s goin g o n

, bu t th e smo g i s the

22 proble m

, s o I hop e tha t th e E P A wil l d o a goo d jo b

.

23 Than k yo u

.

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. NIEBLIN G : Than k yo u

, Joh n

. Wit h tha t

,

25 I believ e w e hav e exhauste d ou r lis t o f speaker s

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2 w e wil l r e mai n an d liste n

, s o pleas e stan d u p no w

. I ' m

3 no t seein g anybod y

. I woul d lik e t o than k yo u

- al l for

4 you r attendanc e toda y

. Thi s publi c in pu t i s extremely

5 valuabl e t o us

, an d I kno w it ' s bee n a lon g da y fo r many

6 peopl e

, no t jus t thos e o f u s her e

, bu t man y o f yo u that

7 hav e bee n her e wit h u s al l da y lon g

, an d w e appreciate

8 tha t

. W e appreciat e th e dee p though t tha t wen t into

9 you r testimon y

, th e dee p feeling s tha t wen t int o your

10 testimon y

, th e carefu l analysi s o f you r testimon y

, and

11 als o th e orderl y wa y tha t yo u helpe d u s conduc t today

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12 It ' s importan t t o ou r proces s

, an d w e' r e gratefu l for

13 tha t

.

14 S o i f anyon e ha s furthe r thought s that

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, th e docket

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