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PUBLIC HEARING

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GENERAL PERMITS AND PERMITS BY RULE FOR THE FEDERAL MINOR NEW SOURCE REVIEW PROGRAM

IN INDIAN COUNTRY

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THURSDAY, AUGUST 7, 2014

9:00 A.M.

U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 109 T.W. ALEXANDER DRIVE RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NORTH CAROLINA

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A P P E A R A N C E S

ON BEHALF OF THE U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY:

GREGORY GREEN, DIVISION DIRECTOR, OUTREACH AND INFORMATION DIVISION U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY – RTP OFFICE 109 T.W. ALEXANDER DRIVE MAIL CODE: C304-01 RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NORTH CAROLINA 27709 919-541-2769 Green.gregory@Epa.gov

CHRISTOPHER STONEMAN, POLICY ADVISOR U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY – RTP OFFICE 109 T.W. ALEXANDER DRIVE MAIL CODE: C304-01 RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NORTH CAROLINA 27709 919-541-0823 Stoneman.chris@Epa.gov

ALSO PRESENT:

TONI COLÓN, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION SPECIALIST

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T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S

PROCEEDINGS PAGE

HEARING OPENED By Mr. Green 4

OPENING STATEMENT By Mr. Green 4

PROPOSAL SUMMARIZED By Mr. Stoneman 6

HEARING ADJOURNED 8

EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION MARKED/ADMITTED (NONE PRESENTED)

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P R O C E E D I N G S 1

MR. GREEN: Good morning, everyone. I'm 2 Greg Green, the Division Director here in RTP, North 3

Carolina for the Outreach and Information Division 4 within EPA's Office of Air Quality Planning and 5 Standards. Thank you all for coming this morning. I 6 will be chairing the hearing today. Also, on the panel 7 today is Chris Stoneman, Policy Advisor, here in EPA's 8

RTP Office. 9 We are here today to listen to your comments 10 on EPA's proposed rule titled, "General Permits and 11 Permits by Rule for the Federal Minor New Source Review 12 Program in Indian Country." We announced the proposal 13 in a Federal Register notice July 17th, 2014. In a 14 moment, Mr. Stoneman will explain in a more detail what 15 we proposed in that rule. But, before I turn it over to 16 him, let me explain a bit about how today's hearing will 17

work. 18 I will call the scheduled speakers to the 19 microphone. When it is your turn to -- to speak, please 20 state your name and your affiliation before you begin 21 your testimony. Please spell your name to help the 22 court reporter. In order to be fair to everyone, please 23 limit the testimony to five minutes each. We will 24 signal to you when we have one minute -- when you have 25

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one minute left to speak. When five minutes has passed, 1 I will ask you to complete your testimony. After you 2 finish your testimony, members of the panel may ask 3 clarifying questions. 4 We will prepare a written transcript of the 5 hearing. The transcript for the hearing will be 6 available as part of the official record for this rule. 7 If you have written copy [ sic ] -- if you have written 8 copies of your testimony, please give a copy to our 9 staff at the registration table. This will be helpful 10 as we prepare the transcript. 11 If you have other written comments or 12 supporting documentation, you also may leave those at 13 the registration table, and we will make sure they are 14 entered into the docket for this proposed rule. You 15 also may submit written comments directly to the docket 16 for this rule through August 18th. Instructions for 17 submitting comments are included in the fact sheet on 18 the proposal. You can pick up a copy at the table just 19

outside the room. 20 EPA will consider your comments as we move 21 forward to complete a final rule, which we anticipate 22 issuing later this year. 23 Today's public hearing is scheduled to end 24 once the last registered speaker has provided comments. 25

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So if you would like to testify, but have not yet 1 registered to do -- registered to do so, please sign up 2 at the registration table outside this room. 3 Now, let me turn things over to Chris 4 Stoneman, who will summarize the proposal. 5 MR. STONEMAN: Good morning. As you heard 6 from Mr. Green, this hearing concerns EPA's proposed 7 general permits and permits by rule for minor or small 8 sources located in Indian country. 9 As our preferred approach, EPA has proposed 10 draft general permits for new or modified sources in six 11 categories of emission sources: concrete batch plants, 12 sawmills, spark ignition engines, compression ignition 13 engines, boilers, and graphic arts and printing 14 operations. 15 General permits streamline the existing minor 16 source NSR permitting requirement and minimize the 17 burden on reviewing authorities and sources. General 18 permits standardize requirements that apply to multiple 19 stationary sources with similar emissions 20 characteristics. The owner of one of these types of 21 facilities in Indian country would need to apply to EPA 22 to be covered by the applicable proposed general permit. 23 As an alternative, EPA is proposing a permit by rule for 24

new or modified minor sources in one of the six source 25

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categories, graphic arts and printing operations. 1 A permit by rule is similar to a general 2 permit in that it contains a standard set of 3 requirements that can apply to multiple stationary 4

sources that have similar emissions characteristics. 5 But it differs from a general permit in that the control 6 and other requirements are established in a rule rather 7 than in a general permit document. 8 The process for a source to seek coverage 9 under a permit by rule is more streamlined compared to a 10 standard general permit, or a site-specific permit. 11 Under the proposed permits by rule program, an applicant 12 would need to notify the reviewing authority that it 13 meets the eligibility criteria for the permit and the 14 permit conditions without having to submit a completed 15 application for review and approval. 16 As Mr. Green mentioned, we will accept public 17 comments through this public hearing and through email, 18 fax or mail during the 30-day public comment period. 19 The 30-day cublic [ sic ] -- public comment period will 20 end on August 18th, 2014. 21 (Hearing continued to be open for 22 comments from 9:04 a.m. to 10 a.m.) 23

MR. GREEN: All right. Before we conclude 24 this public hearing, is there anyone else who would like 25

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to comment? 1 (No response.) 2

MR. GREEN: If there are no further 3 comments, I will conclude this public hearing. Thank 4 you all for participating today. 5 (Hearing adjourned at 10:01 a.m.) 6

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CERTIFICATE OF NOTARY - COURT REPORTER

STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA) ) COUNTY OF WAKE )

I, Amelia W. Mount, Court Reporter and Notary Public in and for the above county and state, do hereby certify that the public hearing regarding GENERAL PERMITS AND

PERMITS BY RULE FOR THE FEDERAL MINOR NEW SOURCE REVIEW

PROGRAM IN INDIAN COUNTRY was taken before me at the time and place hereinbefore set forth; that the witnesses were by me first duly sworn to testify to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth; that thereupon the foregoing questions were asked and foregoing answers made by the witnesses which were duly recorded by me by means of Stenomask or Stenotype, which is reduced to written form under my direction and supervision, and that this is, to the best of my knowledge and belief, a true and correct transcript.

I further certify that I am neither of counsel to either party or interested in the event of this case.

This 10th day of August, 2014.

_______________________________ Amelia W. Mount, Court Reporter Notary Public, Wake County, North Carolina Notary Number: 20021680310