From: Phil Hopkinson [mailto:phopkinson@hvolt.com]  

Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:11 AM

To: Corkran, Jerry L; Christopher Bolduc; Richard Parker

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Subject: RE: MV Liquid‐immersed LCC and NIA Results

Another thought on this:

Unfortunately the choices of M3 vs. amorphous are not maybe but are very black and white.  When M3

runs out of gas the switch is 100% to amorphous.  Hence if you want to remain on an M3 base then you

must exclude amorphous from the choices to the optimizer because it will try both materials but move

to a much flatter cost curve when it switches to amorphous.  The DOE material that was just issued

shows that dramatically.  My recommendation is to redo the material with M3 only and you will quickly

see that you cannot go past Efficiency 1 for any of the lines in a cost justified manner.

Best regards,

Phil
Philip J Hopkinson, PE

President & CEO HVOLT Inc.

3704 High Ridge Rd.

Charlotte, NC 28270

phopkinson@hvolt.com

Ph     704‐846‐3290

Fx     704‐845‐2520

Cell   704‐236‐3320

www.hvolt.com

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From: Phil Hopkinson  

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:57 PM

To: 'Corkran, Jerry L'; Christopher Bolduc; Richard Parker

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solution.com; chad.kennedy@us.schneider‐electric.com; eduardorobles@eaton.com;

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carlosgsiqueiros@eaton.com; Raba, Jim; Trujillo, Antonio; Marusinec, Richard M
Subject: RE: MV Liquid‐immersed LCC and NIA Results

It also ignores the desire to stay on an M3 base and appears to have unreasonably low cost of money as

well as inaccurately low cost per watt saved when moving from design efficiency 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc.  This

is because you did not stay on an M3 base for such transitions.  At the last meeting you agreed to use

M3 as the basis.  When you do that the cost curve is very steep and each efficiency beyond the present

gets progressively steeper.

Your data shows the first efficiency as relatively expensive and each succeeding one to be considerably

less expensive.  If you really remained on M3 then you would not obtain such results.

I recommend that you redo the analysis with an M3 only base as was agreed at the meeting.  My report

does that and I believe that it is accurate.

Best regards,

Phil

Philip J Hopkinson, PE

President & CEO HVOLT Inc.

3704 High Ridge Rd.

Charlotte, NC 28270

phopkinson@hvolt.com

Ph     704‐846‐3290

Fx     704‐845‐2520

Cell   704‐236‐3320

www.hvolt.com
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From: Corkran, Jerry L [mailto:Jerry.Corkran@CooperIndustries.com]  

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:44 PM

To: Christopher Bolduc; Richard Parker

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john.caskey@nema.org; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; adelaski@standardsasap.org;

Teckman@nwcouncil.org; gbf1@pge.com; carlos.gaytan@ge.com; rgreeson@federalpacific.com;

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snadel@aceee.org; wes.patterson@us.abb.com; Eric.Petersen@aksteel.com;

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Subject: RE: MV Liquid‐immersed LCC and NIA Results

Christopher and Richard,

     The attachment lacks the intermediate efficiency level between the

base level and level 1 which based on my understanding of what was discussed at the last meeting was

requested and agreed on by the group to be added.  Are the 0.5 efficiency level designs being made and

when will they be supplied to the working group?

Regards,

    Jerry Corkran
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From: Christopher Bolduc [mailto:cabolduc@lbl.gov]

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:23 PM

To: Richard Parker

Cc: rick.anderson@faypwc.com; tballo@earthjustice.org; ScottB@lvmetals.com;

john.caskey@nema.org; Corkran, Jerry L; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; adelaski@standardsasap.org;

Teckman@nwcouncil.org; gbf1@pge.com; carlos.gaytan@ge.com; rgreeson@federalpacific.com;

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snadel@aceee.org; wes.patterson@us.abb.com; Eric.Petersen@aksteel.com;

Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com; artrosenfeld@gmail.com; srosenstock@eei.org; rroy@nrdc.org;

robert.saint@nreca.coop; chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com; BermanEconomics@gmail.com;

Daniel.Cohen@hq.doe.gov; greg.coulter405@gmail.com; Jim.creevy@nema.org;

ahofmann@publicpower.org; pkumar@publicpower.org; jmauer@standardsasap.org; Meyers, Aaron;

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James.Lass@cleco.com; maheshsampat@bellsouth.net; DYoung@energy‐solution.com;

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vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com; thomas.patzner@us.schneider‐electric.com;

carlosgsiqueiros@eaton.com; Raba, Jim

Subject: MV Liquid‐immersed LCC and NIA Results

Dear Committee Members,

Please find the draft LCC and NIA results for liquid‐immersed medium‐voltage transformers (design lines

1 ‐ 5) attached.

A summary of changes and additional sensitivities will be distributed before next week's meeting.

Thank you,
‐‐ Chris Bolduc

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Chris Bolduc

Energy Efficiency Standards Group

Environmental Energy Technologies Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory t. 416‐535‐7546 c.

647‐832‐4021