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EXHIBIT 10.4

                         SUBORDINATED SECURED DEBENTURE


THE SECURITIES OFFERED HEREBY HAVE NOT BEEN REGISTERED UNDER THE SECURITIES ACT
OF 1933, AS AMENDED, OR ANY STATE SECURITIES LAWS AND ARE BEING OFFERED AND SOLD
IN RELIANCE ON EXEMPTIONS FROM THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS OF SUCH LAWS. THE
SECURITIES ARE SUBJECT TO RESTRICTIONS OF TRANSFERABILITY AND RESALE AND MAY NOT
BE TRANSFERRED OR RESOLD EXCEPT AS PERMITTED UNDER SUCH LAWS PURSUANT TO
REGISTRATION OR AN EXEMPTION THEREFROM. THE SECURITIES HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED OR
DISAPPROVED BY THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION OR ANY OTHER REGULATORY
AUTHORITY, NOR HAVE ANY OF THE FOREGOING AUTHORITIES PASSED UPON OR ENDORSED THE
MERITS OF THIS OFFERING OR THE ACCURACY OR ADEQUACY OF THE OFFERING MATERIALS.
ANY REPRESENTATION TO THE CONTRARY IS UNLAWFUL.

ISSUANCE DATE                                               April 1, 2003
DEBENTURE DUE                                               December 31, 2007
AMOUNT                                                      up to $2,500,000.00

         WHEREAS, this Subordinated Secured Debenture (the "Debenture") is
entered into by and among WinWin, Inc., a Nevada corporation ("WinWin"), WinWin
Acquisition Corp., a Nevada corporation ("Acquisition"), WinWin Gaming, Inc., a
Delaware corporation ("Gaming" or the "Company") and Arthur Petrie.

         FOR VALUE RECEIVED, WinWin Gaming, Inc. (the "Company"), hereby
promises to pay ARTHUR PETRIE, on December 31, 2006 (the "Maturity Date"), a
principal amount equal to up to Two Million Five Hundred Thousand Dollars
($2,500,000), and to pay interest on the principal amount hereof, in such
amounts, at such times and on such terms and conditions as are specified herein.
The principal amount of this Debenture shall be evidenced by written addendums,
signed by the Company, to be issued upon receipt of advances made from time to
time by Arthur Petrie. WinWin and Acquisition hereby guarantee full payment and
performance of the obligations of the Company hereunder.

Article 1. INTEREST

         The Debenture shall accrue interest at the rate of Ten Percent (10%)
per annum, payable at maturity, until the principal amount hereof is paid in
full or has been converted.


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Article 2. METHOD OF PAYMENT

         The Company may draw a check for the payment of interest to the order
of the Holder of this Debenture and mail it to the Holder's address as shown on
the Register (as defined in Section 7.2 below).

Article 3.  CONVERSION

         Section 3.1.  CONVERSION PRIVILEGE

         (a) The Holder of this Debenture shall have the right, at its option,
to convert this Debenture into shares of the common stock of WinWin Gaming,
Inc., the Company's parent corporation, $0.01 par value (the "Common Stock") at
any time following June 30, 2004, and then only after not less than ninety (90)
days prior notice to the Company, unless such notice period is waived by the
Company. The number of shares of Common Stock issuable upon the conversion of
this Debenture is determined pursuant to Section 3.2 and rounding the result to
the nearest whole share.

         (b) Less than all of the principal amount of this Debenture may be
converted into Common Stock if the portion converted is $1,000 or a whole
multiple of $1,000 and the provisions of this Article 3 that apply to the
conversion of all of the Debenture shall also apply to the conversion of a
portion of it. This Debenture may not be converted, whether in whole or in part,
except in accordance with Article 3.

         Section 3.2.  CONVERSION PROCEDURE.

         (a) DEBENTURES. Subject to Section 3.2(I), after having received not
less than ninety (90) days prior notice of Holder's intent to purchase (which
notice shall not in any event obligate the Holder to convert any portion of this
Debenture), upon the Company's receipt of a facsimile or original of Holder's
duly completed and signed Notice of Conversion (a copy of which is attached
hereto as Exhibit A), the Company shall instruct its transfer agent to issue one
or more Certificates representing that number of shares of Common Stock into
which the Debentures are convertible in accordance with the provisions regarding
conversion. The Company's transfer agent or attorney shall act as Registrar and
shall maintain an appropriate ledger containing the necessary information with
respect to each Debenture.

         (b) CONVERSION DATE. Such conversion shall be effectuated by
surrendering to the Company, or its attorney, the Debentures (or a copy thereof
if the Holder certifies that the original has been lost or destroyed) to be
converted together with a facsimile or original of the signed Notice of
Conversion. The date on which the Notice of Conversion is effective ("Conversion
Date") shall be deemed to be the date on which the Holder has delivered to the
Company a facsimile or original of the signed Notice of Conversion, as long as
the original Debentures to be converted are received by the Company or its
designated attorney within 3 business days thereafter, and so long as the time
limitations set forth in Section 3.1(a) have been satisfied. As long as the
Debentures to be converted are received by the Company within 3 business days
after it receives a facsimile or original of the signed Notice of Conversion,
the Company shall deliver to the Holder, or per the Holder's instructions, the
shares of Common Stock within 5 business days of receipt of the Debentures to be
converted.


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         (c) COMMON STOCK TO BE ISSUED. Subject to the time limitations set
forth in Section 3.2(a) above, upon the conversion of any Debentures and upon
receipt by the Company or its attorney of a facsimile or original of Holder's
signed Notice of Conversion, Company shall instruct Company's transfer agent to
issue Stock Certificates in the name of Holder (or its nominee) and in such
denominations to be specified at conversion representing the number of shares of
Common Stock issuable upon such conversion, as applicable. Company warrants that
no instructions, other than these instructions, have been given or will be given
to the transfer agent and that the Common Stock shall otherwise be freely
transferable on the books and records of Company.

         (d) CONVERSION RATE. Subject to the time limitations set forth in
Section 3.1(a), Holder is entitled to convert this Debenture, plus accrued
interest, into Common Stock of the Company at 100% of the averaged closing
prices for the Company's Common Stock for the twenty (20) trading days
immediately preceding the Conversion Date (each being referred to as the
"Conversion Price"). No fractional shares or scrip representing fractions of
shares will be issued on conversion, but the number of shares issuable shall be
rounded up or down, as the case may be, to the nearest whole share.

         (e) Nothing contained in this Debenture shall be deemed to establish or
require the payment of interest to the Holder at a rate in excess of the maximum
rate permitted by governing law. In the event that the rate of interest required
to be paid exceeds the maximum rate permitted by governing law, the rate of
interest required to be paid thereunder shall be automatically reduced to the
maximum rate permitted under the governing law and such excess shall be returned
with reasonable promptness by the Holder to the Company.

         (f) It shall be the Company's responsibility to take all necessary
actions and to bear all such costs to issue certificates for the Common Stock as
provided herein, including the responsibility and cost for delivery of an
opinion letter to the transfer agent, if so required. The person in whose name
the certificate of Common Stock is to be registered shall be treated as a
shareholder of record on and after the conversion date. Upon surrender of any
Debentures that are to be converted in part, the Company shall issue to the
Holder new Debentures representing the unconverted amount, if so requested by
Holder.

         Section 3.3. COMPANY TO RESERVE STOCK. The Company shall reserve the
number of shares of Common Stock required pursuant to and upon the terms set
forth in the Subscription Agreement, to permit the conversion of this Debenture.
All shares of Common Stock which may be issued upon the conversion hereof shall
upon issuance be validly issued, fully paid and nonassessable and free from all
taxes, liens and charges with respect to the issuance thereof.


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         Section 3.4. RESTRICTIONS ON TRANSFER. This Debenture has not been
registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, (the "Act") and is
being issued under Section 4(2) of the Act and Rule 506 of Regulation D
promulgated under the Act. This Debenture and the Common Stock issuable upon the
conversion thereof may only be offered or sold pursuant to registration under or
an exemption from the Act.

         Section 3.5. MERGERS, ETC. If the Company merges or consolidates with
another corporation or sells or transfers all or substantially all of its assets
to another person and the holders of the Common Stock are entitled to receive
stock, securities or property in respect of or in exchange for Common Stock,
then as a condition of such merger, consolidation, sale or transfer, the Company
and any such successor, purchaser or transferee shall amend this Debenture to
provide that it may thereafter be converted on the terms and subject to the
conditions set forth above into the kind and amount of stock, securities or
property receivable upon such merger, consolidation, sale or transfer by a
holder of the number of shares of Common Stock into which this Debenture might
have been converted immediately before such merger, consolidation, sale or
transfer, subject to adjustments which shall be as nearly equivalent as may be
practicable to adjustments provided for in this Article 3.

Article 4.  MERGERS

         The Company shall not consolidate or merge into, or transfer all or
substantially all of its assets to, any person, unless such person assumes in
writing the obligations of the Company under this Debenture and immediately
after such transaction no Event of Default exists. Any reference herein to the
Company shall refer to such surviving or transferee corporation and the
obligations of the Company shall terminate upon such written assumption.

Article 5.  REPORTS

         The Company will maintain its status as a public company listed on the
Nasdaq OTC Bulletin Board, or such other exchange as may be deemed advisable by
the Board of Directors, and shall timely file any and all annual, quarterly or
other report or proxy statement that required under applicable federal
securities laws with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission.

Article 6.  DEFAULTS AND REMEDIES

         Section 6.1. EVENTS OF DEFAULT. An "Event of Default" occurs if (a) the
Company does not make the payment of the principal of this Debenture when the
same becomes due and payable at maturity, upon redemption or otherwise, (b) the
Company does not make a payment, other than a payment of principal, for a period
of five (5) business days thereafter, (c) any of the Company's representations
or warranties contained in this Debenture or in the related Security Agreement
dated the date hereof were false when made or the Company fails to comply with
any of its other agreements in this Debenture and such failure continues for the
period and after the notice specified below, (d) the Company's parent
corporation, WinWin Gaming, Inc., shall have its common stock suspended or


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delisted from any exchange or the over-the-counter market from trading for in
excess of five (5) consecutive trading days, (e) the Company or its parent
corporation, WinWin Gaming, Inc., pursuant to or within the meaning of any
Bankruptcy Law (as hereinafter defined): (i) commences a voluntary case; (ii)
consents to the entry of an order for relief against it in an involuntary case;
(iii) consents to the appointment of a Custodian (as hereinafter defined) of it
or for all or substantially all of its property or (iv) makes a general
assignment for the benefit of its creditors or (v) a court of competent
jurisdiction enters an order or decree under any Bankruptcy Law that: (A) is for
relief against the Company in an involuntary case; (B) appoints a Custodian of
the Company or for all or substantially all of its property or (C) orders the
liquidation of the Company, and the order or decree remains unstayed and in
effect for 60 days, (f) the Common Stock is no longer listed on any recognized
exchange including electronic over-the-counter bulletin board, or (g) any
creditor of WinWin Gaming, Inc, or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates
existing prior to the date hereof, seeks to attach the capital stock of WinWin,
Inc. which is part of the collateral that secures performance of this Debenture,
or the capital stock of WinWin Acquisition Corp., which is also a part of the
collateral that secures performance of this Debenture, or any of their
respective assets, and the Holder determines that there is a reasonable
likelihood that such creditor will be successful. As used in this Section 6.1,
the term "Bankruptcy Law" means Title 11 of the United States Code or any
similar federal or state law for the relief of debtors. The term "Custodian"
means any receiver, trustee, assignee, liquidator or similar official under any
Bankruptcy Law. A default under clause (c) above is not an Event of Default
until the holders of at least 25% of the aggregate principal amount of the
Debentures outstanding notify the Company of such default and the Company does
not cure it within five (5) business days after the receipt of such notice,
which must specify the default, demand that it be remedied and state that it is
a "Notice of Default".

         Section 6.2. ACCELERATION. If an Event of Default occurs and is
continuing, the Holder hereof by notice to the Company, may declare the
remaining principal amount of this Debenture, together with all accrued interest
and any liquidated damages, to be due and payable. Upon such declaration, the
remaining principal amount shall be due and payable immediately. In such event,
if the Company is unable to pay such amount, or fails to pay such amount within
five days, the Holders shall have the right to foreclose on the collateral and
retain forever possession and ownership of all of the Company's assets,
including without limitation 100% of the capital stock of WinWin, Inc., as well
as all assets of WinWin and Acquisition, subject to any prior security interests
properly perfected.


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Article 7.  REGISTER OF OWNERSHIP OF DEBENTURES

         Section 7.1. RECORD OWNERSHIP. The Company, or its attorney, shall
maintain a register of the holders of the Debentures (the "Register") showing
their names and addresses and the principal amounts of Debentures issued to or
transferred of record by them from time to time. The Register may be maintained
in electronic, magnetic or other computerized form. The Company may treat the
person named as the Holder of this Debenture in the Register as the sole owner
of this Debenture. The Holder of this Debenture is the person exclusively
entitled to receive payments of interest on this Debenture, receive
notifications with respect to this Debenture, convert it into Common Stock and
otherwise exercise all of the rights and powers as the absolute owner hereof.
Unless and until notified to the contrary by the Representatives, the
Representatives shall have full power and authority to act on behalf of all of
the beneficial owners of the Debenture, including all of the Exchanging
Shareholders and any of their respective transferees, and shall have the right
to agree with the Company to modify, amend or waive any provision or this
Debenture, and to exercise any right permitted to be exercised by the Holders
hereof, including the right to convert the Debenture into common stock of WinWin
Gaming, Inc.

         Section 7.2. REGISTRATION OF TRANSFER. Transfers of this Debenture may
be registered on the books of the Company maintained for such purpose pursuant
to Section 7.1 above (i.e., the Register), but only so long as such transfer is
in compliance with all applicable federal and state securities laws, it being
understood that the sale of this Debenture has not been registered under the
Securities Act of 1933, as amended. Transfers shall be registered when this
Debenture is presented to the Company with a request to register the transfer
hereof and the Debenture is duly endorsed by the appropriate person, reasonable
assurances are given that the endorsements are genuine and effective, and the
Company has received evidence satisfactory to it that such transfer is rightful
and in compliance with all applicable laws, including tax laws and state and
federal securities laws. When this Debenture is presented for transfer and duly
transferred hereunder, it shall be canceled and a new Debenture showing the name
of the transferee as the record holder thereof shall be issued in lieu hereof.
When this Debenture is presented to the Company with a reasonable request to
exchange it for an equal principal amount of Debentures of other denominations,
the Company shall make such exchange and shall cancel this Debenture and issue
in lieu thereof Debentures having a total principal amount equal to this
Debenture in such denominations as agreed to by the Company and Holder.

         Section 7.3. LOST DEBENTURES. If this Debenture becomes defaced or
mutilated but is still substantially intact and recognizable, the Company or its
agent may issue a new Debenture in lieu hereof upon its surrender. Where the
Holder of this Debenture claims that the Debenture has been lost, destroyed or
wrongfully taken, the Company shall issue a new Debenture in place of the
original Debenture if the Holder so requests by written notice to the Company
actually received by the Company before it is notified that the Debenture has
been acquired by a bona fide purchaser and the Holder has delivered to the
Company an indemnity bond in such amount and issued by such surety as the
Company deems satisfactory together with an affidavit of the Holder setting
forth the facts concerning such loss, destruction or wrongful taking and such
other information in such form with such proof or verification as the Company
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Article 9.  NOTICES

         Any notice which is required or convenient under the terms of this
Debenture shall be duly given if it is in writing and delivered in person or
mailed by first class mail, postage prepaid and directed to the Holder of the
Debenture at its address as it appears on the Register or if to the Company to
its principal executive offices. The time when such notice is sent shall be the
time of the giving of the notice.

Article 10.  TIME

         Where this Debenture authorizes or requires the payment of money or the
performance of a condition or obligation on a Saturday or Sunday or a public
holiday, or authorizes or requires the payment of money or the performance of a
condition or obligation within, before or after a period of time computed from a
certain date, and such period of time ends on a Saturday or a Sunday or a public
holiday, such payment may be made or condition or obligation performed on the
next succeeding business day, and if the period ends at a specified hour, such
payment may be made or condition performed, at or before the same hour of such
next succeeding business day, with the same force and effect as if made or
performed in accordance with the terms of this Debenture. A "business day" shall
mean a day on which the banks in California are not required or allowed to be
closed.

Article 11.  WAIVERS

         The Representatives, or either Representative alone, may waive a
default or rescind the declaration of an Event of Default and its consequences.

Article 12.  RULES OF CONSTRUCTION

         In this Debenture, unless the context otherwise requires, words in the
singular number include the plural, and in the plural include the singular, and
words of the masculine gender include the feminine and the neuter, and when the
sense so indicates, words of the neuter gender may refer to any gender. The
numbers and titles of sections contained in the Debenture are inserted for
convenience of reference only, and they neither form a part of this Debenture
nor are they to be used in the construction or interpretation hereof. Wherever,
in this Debenture, a determination of the Company is required or allowed, such
determination shall be made by a majority of the Board of Directors of the
Company and if it is made in good faith, it shall be conclusive and binding upon
the Company and the Holder of this Debenture.


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Article 13.  GOVERNING LAW

         The validity, terms, performance and enforcement of this Debenture
shall be governed and construed by the provisions hereof and in accordance with
the laws of the State of California applicable to agreements that are
negotiated, executed, delivered and performed solely in the State of California.
The prevailing party in any dispute arising hereunder shall be entitled to
recover all of its reasonable attorney's fees and costs of defense, prosecution
or litigation.

Article 14. LITIGATION

         (a) FORUM SELECTION AND CONSENT TO JURISDICTION. Any litigation based
thereon, or arising out of, under, or in connection with, this agreement or any
course of conduct, course of dealing, statements (whether oral or written) or
actions of the Company or Holder shall be brought and maintained exclusively in
the state or federal courts of the State of California, city of Los Angeles. The
Company hereby expressly and irrevocably submits to the jurisdiction of the
state and federal courts of the State of California, city of Los Angeles, for
the purpose of any such litigation as set forth above and irrevocably agrees to
be bound by any final judgment rendered thereby in connection with such
litigation. The Company further irrevocably consents to the service of process
by registered mail, postage prepaid, or by personal service within or without
the State of California. The Company hereby expressly and irrevocably waives, to
the fullest extent permitted by law, any objection which it may have or
hereafter may have to the laying of venue of any such litigation brought in any
such court referred to above and any claim that any such litigation has been
brought in any inconvenient forum. To the extent that the Company has or
hereafter may acquire any immunity from jurisdiction of any court or from any
legal process (whether through service or notice, attachment prior to judgment,
attachment in aid of execution or otherwise) with respect to itself or its
property, the Company hereby irrevocably waives such immunity in respect of its
obligations under this agreement and the other loan documents.

         (b) WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL. The Holder and the Company hereby knowingly,
voluntarily and intentionally waive any rights they may have to a trial by jury
in respect of any litigation based hereon, or arising out of, under, or in
connection with, this agreement, or any course of conduct, course of dealing,
statements (whether oral or written) or actions of the Holder or the Company.
The Company acknowledges and agrees that it has received full and sufficient
consideration for this provision and that this provision is a material
inducement for the Holder entering into this agreement.

         (c) SUBMISSION TO JURISDICTION. Any legal action or proceeding in
connection with this Debenture or the performance hereof must be brought in the
federal courts located in the State of California and the parties hereby
irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of such courts for the purpose
of any such action or proceeding.


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         IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Company has duly executed this Debenture as of
the date first written above.

WinWin Gaming, Inc.                         WinWin Acquisition Corp.,
a Delaware corporation                      a Nevada corporation


By /s/ Benjamin Perry                       By: /s/ Benjamin Perry
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   Benjamin Perry, President                    Benjamin Perry, President


By /s/ Patrick Rogers                       By: /s/ Patrick Rogers
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   Patrick Rogers, Secretary                    Patrick Rogers, Secretary

WinWin, Inc.
a Nevada corporation


By /s/ Benjamin Perry
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Benjamin Perry, President

By /s/ Patrick Rogers
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Patrick Rogers, Secretary

Arthur Petrie


/s/ Arthur Petrie
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Arthur Petrie




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                                    Exhibit A

                              NOTICE OF CONVERSION
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                   (To be Executed by the Registered Holder in order to Convert
the Debentures.)

         The undersigned hereby irrevocably elects, as of ______________, 200 to
convert $_________________ of the Debentures into Shares of Common Stock (the
"Shares") of JUNUM INCORPORATED (the "Company").

Date of Conversion__________________________________________

Applicable Conversion Price_________________________________

Number of Shares Issuable upon this conversion______________

Signature___________________________________________________
                           [Name]
Address_____________________________________________________

____________________________________________________________

Phone______________________   Fax___________________________


                             Assignment of Debenture

The undersigned hereby sell(s) and assign(s) and transfer(s) unto


                  (name, address and SSN or EIN of assignee)

                                                   DOLLARS ($                )
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(principal amount of Debenture, $1,000 or integral multiples of $1,000)

of principal amount of this Debenture together with all accrued and unpaid
interest hereon.

Date: _______________ Signed: __________________________________________________
                                        (Signature must conform in all
                                        respects to name of Holder shown
                                        of face of Debenture)



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